ILF Hall Of Fame: pilot episode

waste of a larsson, and a good example of my misgivings about 'can't nominate for another year' rule

but letiss in a walk. best player to play in the premier league

There's only three months left this year tbf. I'm voting Henrik, absolutely faultless player. Plus I kinda owe him one now.

can another mod rig this so that votes not for letiss are automatically just self sb's actually

Hold on a minute, Seaman was a tremendous keeper with a couple of epic blunders blotting his record. If you compare his importance to club and country and his achievements as a player to Le Tiss he's a few light years ahead.

just country, and just cos english manager's are philistines

seaman in no way touches letiss for club influence, cmon

good thread already btw

I said importance to club, i.e. Seaman was key in them WINNING THINGS

Voting for David Seaman would be a bit like voting for Oasis on an ILM poll. Just a frumpy choice.

Le Tissier vs Larsson all the way but voting for Le Tissier because if you give this one sop to the Celtic contingent it'll only encourage them.

btw can ailsa be vetted for sock account votes XPOST!!!

i know you said it, i wouldn't have bothered telling you you were wrong otherwise would i now?

Comparing Goalies to outfield players is a hapless exercise is the nub of my problem here. Obviously I wd vote for Le Tiss as more aesthetically appealing but on those grounds you will probably have a Hall of Fame featuring 0 keepers.

Hen is legit contender for ILX HOF any day of the week, but this is a bloodsport right here

Schmeichel walks into a HoF, prob in the top 10 players of all time

Seaman- yeah I loike im e's a good ployer but i dont fink they're sellin

that one save against sheff utd tho- don't give me 'aesthetically pleasing' as an argument against goalies.

the fact that 75% of their mistakes are automatically disasters, that's gonna cost them, sure.

I was joking about the socks. Am nearly tempted to vote Le Tiss, btw, assume Henke will get in against anyone else when he's re-nommed. But I can't do it.

To me Le Tissier's loyalty to Southampton makes it hard to judge him honestly. It's like being a genius guitar player who's only ever played in working man's club covers bands.

http://www.sufc.co.uk/javaImages/54/e0/0,,10418~254036,00.jpg

You don't have to judge him honestly, but from another POV it's like Brando throwing away the gun in On the Waterfront, it's kind of the defining point of letiss.

no spoiler warning? ban

Should have been done baseball HOF style imho: as many nominees as possible, everyone gets 10/15/20 votes, top 5 percentile make the HOF, bottom 10 percentile get eliminated for the next year of voting.

Henning Berg has three Premier League medals, which is as many as the other four players here combined.

^^^ Now what we want is, facts.

david may has a european fucking cup i'd still not pick him tonight in ballyheane

ugh ugh ugh no more of that pls NV

Just not going for this Romantic bollocks man

Haha hang on do you hate Hard Times? I've just remembered?

Believe that Henning Berg is the only player here to have played on a team that beat Brazil in an international fixture as well.

Dickens vs Romantics can wait for another thread tbph

ya i hate hard times

this thread is going to tear our fragile little community apart

robust debate will only make the survivors stronger imo

YOU CAN'T FIGHT IN HERE, IT'S THE FOOTBALL BOARD

Inspector Slade is an insiduous presence in this thread and I don't appreciate this selective encyclopedia one bit

If Henrik Larrson is such a good footballer, how come he was kept out of the Soccer Aid team by Joe Calzaghe and Patrick Kielty?

can't believe nobody is actually disputing MLT as the best premier league player, i mean rly

-1 challop from utility kit, and for what

If this was MVP instead of "Best" he wouldn't get anywhere near.

If that Xavi quote on Wikipedia is legit then I'm kinda tempted to vote for him tho.

do tell

In 2010, Spanish superstar Xavi revealed that Le Tissier had been one of his childhood inspirations, claiming that: "His talent was simply out of the norm. He could simply dribble past seven or eight players but without speed - he just walked past them. For me he was sensational".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24e7J3u3h7g

xp class

that lull? that's realisation kicking in, that. letiss in a walk

btw brando doesn't die at the end on On the Waterfront, how's that for a spoiler

wasn't exactly serious with Larsson nom in previous thread but he is obviously better than the rest of these players anyway (as much as i loved MLT)

write-in for david may

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XONWAITML4Y

Larsson was a great pick - was worried about getting mlt and four joke noms, which is why I had to seize on it. How unfair is *that* on Seaman?!

Voting procedure
To be eligible for the nominating process, a player must have been retired at least five years, and as of 2007, a coach must be retired for five years. Any other contributor such as a team owner or executive can be voted in at any time.[6]

Fans may nominate any player, coach or contributor by simply writing to the Pro Football Hall of Fame via letter or email. The Selection Committee is then polled three times by mail to eventually narrow the list to 25 semifinalists: once in March, one in September, and one in October. In November, the committee then selects 15 finalists by mail balloting.

Nine members of the Selection Committee also serve as a subcommittee known as the Seniors Committee to screen candidates who finished their careers 25 or more years prior.[6] The Seniors Committee then adds two finalists from prior to the modern era, making a final ballot of 17.

The Selection Committee then meets the day before each Super Bowl game to elect a new class. To be elected, a finalist must receive at least 80 percent support from the Board, with at least four, but no more than seven, candidates being elected annually. If less than four candidates get 80 percent of the vote, then the top four vote-getters will get in that year. If more than seven get 80 percent, then only the top seven vote-getters will be inducted.

All of which is to say, I´m voting for Dave.

Voted Henke. Just love him. I'll even forgive him for turning out for Utd, more than made up for by ruining Arsenal's European Cup! Extra points for coming back from his broken leg as good as ever.

Would have voted Benali but tactics dictate it must be Le Tiss. Sorry, Francis.

i dunno i'd love a proper debate on how heinke, tho i love him, can be 'obviously better' than a guy that scored over 160 league goals from midfield. for southampton.

nommed seaman, voting seaman.

between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whHyHXnLCIw and his various important penalty saves (sampdoria shootout, spain shootout come to mind) he was p much my childhood hero. well unto he grew a ponytail

also schmiechel is only recognised as being better than seaman because 1. he didn't have stupid facial hair or a ponytail 2. no nayem in his career 3. he won something with his country. The reality is they were both too good and you can't really choose between them.

dont know that a cole hasnt always been better than alves, who's never convinced me of his 'great player' status tbh

no, no, no

schmeichel was at least one level above seaman. it's not actually a close thing

surprised i've never sb u before

you're young, you still startle easy

^^^ pure Spurs talk

as much as i hate to praise the red faced prick, it's true, i remember schmeicel at his peak was just INFURIATING if you were a fan of another team, watching man u get played off the park and over and over and over again he'd make stunning saves, ridiculous saves, he was definitely a cut above seaman and most other keepers i've seen. as he aged he got a bit ropey and did make his errors, but at peak he was insufferably good.

Seaman's woe is largely self-inflicted I feel. He's just got this naffness about him because of the ponytail, the high-profile errors, dancing on ice, 'safe hands', the horrible kits, the way his career ended. That's probably all the bad stuff he ever did and it's really unfair, but it overshadows all the rest for me.

it's really just that he wasn't as good as schmeichel, tbh. it's not a diss ffs, but it's that simple

should do this poll position by position

^^benali fan

so letiss followed by seaman/larsson. would go for larsson myself by a chip.

saw Larsson play:
2004: Sweden 1-1 Italy, Euro 2004, Porto
2006: Sweden 1-0 Paraguay, World Cup 2006, Berlin

saw Seaman play:
1998: Blackburn 1-4 Arsenal, EPL, Blackburn
1999: Scotland 0-2 England, Euro 2000 play-off, Glasgow

don't think I ever saw the other three

http://www.soccerbase.com/results3.sd?gameid=374856

Saw Berg play at Highbury here, absolutely masterful performance. Made Kanu look metaphorically impotent on the pitch, and this was in the twilight of his career. Always thought that Ferguson saw him as what McGrath could have been if he'd stayed away from the bottle.

maybe in the same way that andy sinton was what george best would have been without the bottle

Heroic effort going on here. Could also do with mentioning Berg's century of international caps, a feat unequalled by Seaman, Le Tissier and Benali put together.

Poll only needs some Benali stanning to really take wing imo.

Le Tissier never scored at Ewood Park in a game Berg played in. Also, Southampton never beat Manchester United in a competitive fixture Berg started in.

^ convincong until you think about it

convin cong infinty

'played in' vs 'started in'

Don't think we can't see your sleight of hand there, sonny.

southampton - letiss = utd - berg

suuuuuuure

I should have voted Tiss for the obvious reasons, but chiefly cos, well, has there ever been a player that kept a side in the top flight to the extent he did, as often as he did, for as long as he did?

But instead, I went for Frannie. Because, much as we may knock him, with the exception of a loan spell at Forest in 2001, he spent his entire career in the top flight up to his retirement (he turned out for Eastleigh a few times after he retired). Most of the time as a first-choice player. You may think he's a donkey. And he may well have been a donkey. But there's not many donkeys get to be as successful a donkey as him.

this aint brighton front, but fair enough!

happy birthday matt le tissier, maths genius https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rteww8eyplQ

but he doesn't need the votes and franny is pretty much the definition of a cult hero so i'm with WBS

southampton - letiss = utd - berg

suuuuuuure

― l∞l (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 October 2010 17:31 (Yesterday) Bookmark

Well, the first season after Berg left United, Le Tissier was injured for both games, and each team won one a piece. And really, are you of the honest belief that Wayne Bridge, James Beattie and Marian Pahars are worse players than a 39-year-old Andy Goram, Luke Chadwick, Ronnie Wallwork, Bojan Djordjic and Michael Stewart?

Would have voted Le Tissier anyway but that clip <3 <3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppTE_cdOjlc

crikey, saints vote splitting - Berg's path to the hall of fame is opening up like a bamboozled United defence

Berg also a scout for United these days, making him the only one of these players who is involved in a title hunt this season. Surely longevity has to count for something, one would argue?

are you of the honest belief that Wayne Bridge, James Beattie and Marian Pahars are worse players than a 39-year-old Andy Goram, Luke Chadwick, Ronnie Wallwork, Bojan Djordjic and Michael Stewart

I'm of the honest opinion that those were southampton's next three best players, and the other list were utd roll of shame that season.

Berg is Utd scout- Matt LeTissier is a valuable contributor to ilx's favourite football programme iirc.

I think the important thing here is we come to an agreement on the internet about Henning Berg.

oh we will, in 4 days we'll agree he's not as good as f benali

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

http://fotball.aftenbladet.no/multimedia/archive/00042/henning_berg_-bredde_42059a.jpg

"The voting button is there. And up a bit."

I think he's in with a puncher's chance.

i think matt letissier ought to win this tbh

Noms fraught with danger tbh - could see Henke buried under a lol Dave Kitson vote and being left out for years.

― san te cross (onimo), Thursday, 7 October 2010 22:51 Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

My worries coming to fruition I reckon, but without the Kitson.

Non-Henrik votes should be all piled together under Challops.

i counter ur challops proposal with a motino for counter-challops and move to close.

una motino

if Larsson wins I'm SBing every Scot on ILX

jus' kidding. but it has to be le tiss

I'm looking for Larsson here and Iniesta on the Second Best poll* to convince me you aren't all disgusting savages and that ILF isn't a failed experiment.

Can we agree this idea was kind of cool btw? Looking forward to next noms already.

if Larsson wins I'm SBing every Scot on ILX

― acoleuthic, Monday, 18 October 2010 13:21 (17 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

jus' kidding. but it has to be le tiss

― acoleuthic, Monday, 18 October 2010 13:22 (16 minutes ago) Bookmark

It's true he made being a fat lazy talented tackle shirking provincial legend something of a virtue but come the fuck on there's nothing missing from Larsson's game. Nothing.

(not questioning Le Tiss's talent btw very much capable of greatness)

Can we agree this idea was kind of cool btw?

this was cool

There's nothing missing from Larsson's game, and you're correct in all you say about LeTiss. Telling that LeTiss is still better.

this might be the only thing that enrages ilx' good natured celtic fans, but in terms of his contemporaries larsson is behind ronaldo, rvn, rivaldo, raúl, vieri, henry, trezeguet, batistuta, crespo, recoba, del piero, kluivert, owen, anelka, salas, totti etc etc

during his time at feyenoord he had a 1 in 4 ratio, only rly caught alight in scotland in his late 20s

oh man recoba :( such wasted potential. damn you injuries!

i don't really care about recoba tbh - never meant to be

henrik valiants itt need a simple dose of perspective and to acknowledge that their domestic league wouldn't even relegate current-era charlton athletic

hall of fame has to have room for cult players, and there's few bigger/better cult players in this past generation imo.

Xavi revealed that Le Tissier had been one of his childhood inspirations, claiming that: "His talent was simply out of the norm. He could simply dribble past seven or eight players but without speed - he just walked past them. For me he was sensational".[14]

really the only thing of significance he did was help beat 10-man arsenal in a CL final but even then all he did was complete two decent passes against a massed and confused rearguard

(may be trolling by now but it's got more than an element of truth - trutling maybe)

le tiss is such a better kind of cult player than larsson, like it isn't even comparable - in 50 years we'll only remember larsson for the leg-break video

le tiss would be a more than acceptable #1 entry to the ilfhof

larsson arguably won the league for utd but all the credit went to ronaldo

larsson made a couple of assists for utd and scored 1/2 goals iirc?

more in ability and bringing up morale, winning spirit etc. etc. 'cliches' needed.

If we're judging this on contributions to title winning teams, it's v.hard to look beyond Henning, though.

to fuck with what he did for utd when his career was over. stop trolling u guys.

wd it even be a challop to say saving southampton from relegation is more impressive than winning the spl?

it's comparable, there's a good discussion in there somewhere tbh.

in beating relegation, at least you have to beat three other teams.

Larsson's UEFA cup final performance against Porto is up there with anyone, anytime

If we're judging this on contributions to title winning teams, it's v.hard to look beyond Henning, though.

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This Henrik challoping is kind of entertaining. Dude's won the EPL, Champions League, and almost single-handedly took a team featuring Rab Douglas to a European final. Pointing out that the SPL isn't very good is taking nothing away from his performances outside it for club(s) and country.

I love Matt Le Tissier, btw, and would vote for him against almost anyone else. I do love how Le Tiss is hailed as a hero for staying at a lower level his entire life, but Henke's gets crucified for the same thing (even though he didn't actually do that at all, and early 2000s Martin O'Neill Celtic are a totally different beast from the pish we're putting up with now).

larsson is behind ronaldo, rvn, rivaldo, raúl, vieri, henry, trezeguet, batistuta, crespo, recoba, del piero, kluivert, owen, anelka, salas, totti etc etc

Don't see any of them in this poll.

Out of that lot I'd have him definitely behind Ronaldo, Rivaldo and Del Piero, and probably Batistuta

Could be an interesting experiment for all players here actually. Where would you rank Berg among, say, Baresi, Maldini, Ayala, Bratseth, Koeman, Kohler, Sammer, Thuram and May?

please turn out to be dom

this might be the only thing that enrages ilx' good natured celtic fans, but in terms of his contemporaries larsson is behind ronaldo, rvn, rivaldo, raúl, vieri, henry, trezeguet, batistuta, crespo, recoba, del piero, kluivert, owen, anelka, salas, totti etc etc

during his time at feyenoord he had a 1 in 4 ratio, only rly caught alight in scotland in his late 20s

To be fair he was mostly used as a wide player at Feyenoord which makes 1 in 4 look pretty good imo.

I'm not setting him up as >Ronaldo, Henry, etc. but his record in Scotland + English League + his performances in 2 European finals + scoring in three different World Cups makes him >>>> Le Tiss or anyone else in this poll.

"People always talk about Ronaldinho, Eto'o, Giuly and everything, but I didn't see them today, I saw Henrik Larsson. He came on, he changed the game, that is what killed the game. Sometimes you talk about Ronaldinho and Eto'o and people like that; you need to talk about the proper footballer who made the difference, and that was Henrik Larsson tonight."

Thierry Henry OTM

tbh the fact that he spent all that time in Scottish football and then went and won a European Cup makes him more remarkable, not less

also 37 goals in 106 internationals is good going

I'd probably put Berg behind Baresi and ahead of Maldini, but that's not good enough to get my vote

larsson is behind ronaldo, rvn, rivaldo, raúl, vieri, henry, trezeguet, batistuta, crespo, recoba, del piero, kluivert, owen, anelka, salas, totti etc etc

Don't see any of them in this poll.

― ailsa, Monday, 18 October 2010 17:38 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

sure, but onimo said larsson had no weaknesses, which is probably true....he was a very good player, but i thought it'd be worth reminding yall of his limits

Out of that lot I'd have him definitely behind Ronaldo, Rivaldo and Del Piero, and probably Batistuta

― Ismael Klata, Monday, 18 October 2010 17:44 (1 hour ago)

this is just insane....there isn't even a comparison between ballon d'or near-misses w/ hundreds of serie a/pl/la liga goals and henrik larsson

as for the henry quote, that was from the same interview where he was being insanely precious about barcelona players diving 'like women', then pledged his future to the club before signing for barca the next year, it was the shittiest praise of all because it was said mainly to spite players like eto'o who had outclassed him in the game

the barcelona forwards were also very enthusiastic about larsson, because he could be trusted to perform commendably as a sub when they were having a bad game, without ever threatening their starting places

totally biased for le tissier cuz he was my favourite pl player when i was very little, but honestly his record stands up well

25/38 in 93/94 season playing from midfield for southampton.....pretty extraordinary, and he had seven seasons of 10+ league goals

admittedly that was in a substandard league, but you could compare it favourably to someone like diego in germany today

players from these isles with that level of technical quality are rare and deserve immense respect for thriving in a culture that's largely antithetical to them

the barcelona forwards were also very enthusiastic about larsson, because he could be trusted to perform commendably as a sub when they were having a bad game, without ever threatening their starting places

Couldn't it (gasp!) possibly be that they respected and admired him as a player? Where are you getting everything after "because" in that sentence?

yeah i'm being very cynical admittedly

but it's a bit like solskjaer at man utd, praised incessantly but if he was rly that good he wouldn't have been a sub most of the time

“He’s not merely a player. He’s a legend, a hero, and my idol.”

The words were Ronaldinho’s, and the subject of his lavish praise was not Garrincha, Pele or Zico, but a Swede by the name of Henrik Larsson. His was far from an isolated tribute.

this just seems a bit hyperbolic!

good article about larsson, in any case

It's not Ronaldinho dismissing Garrincha there.

just comes off as a bit overdone, is all

must have amazed ronaldinho to see a player w/ his work ethic, dedication and loyalty tho

Yeah apparently when he arrived at Barca the forwards were all asking him wtf he was doing running back and tackling in training - Ronaldinho told him it was someone else's job to go and get them the ball.

lol

that does sound a lot like barca circa 2005....

Larsson was 34 when they won the champions league and had missed most of the previous season with a bad knee injury - it's maybe not surprising that he was mostly a sub by 2006.

That Henry quote is quite epically sour. I imagine him going on to say he didn't want to win the stupid champions league anyway.

Maldini, Baresi, Sammer, Thuram, Koeman, Kohler, May, Ayala, Berg, Bratseth

little known fact? kanu was a better sub than solskjaer

underrated football teams I have owned (onimo)

had this ready to roll yesterday tbh, but balked at referring to them as 'underrated'

solskjaer was every bit that good, but yorke and cole worked brilliantly together for most of his key time at utd, and RvN didn't play with anyone beside him.

but balked at referring to them as 'underrated'

yeah I must admit I pondered it for a bit

I'd probably put Berg behind Baresi and ahead of Maldini, but that's not good enough to get my vote

― Ismael Klata, Monday, October 18, 2010 4:58 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark

Love how this has gone unchallenged!

sb silent like a mute ninja

borderline moronic
xp

baresi was so old though!

Baresi losing his shit on a lap of honour in his last game one of my fave sporting moments

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

Ha, I thought Berg would do better than that.

about right, yeah that's ok that is

http://fotball.aftenposten.no/multimedia/archive/00113/henning-janne-marti_113383o.jpg

"You get the fat one, okay? Looks a bit like Del Boy's little brother?"

Savages. All of you.

Not really, putting Le Tiss in is perfectly ok, but the format of the HoF means the best player* to have played in my country in my 30+ years of watching football is now excluded, and that sucks.

*though I'll hear arguments for Brian Laudrup, Ally McCoist, Lubo Moravcik and pre-injury Michael Mols - none of whom would imo have beaten Le Tissier - which to me says Scottish football has no part to play here.

(consider my dummy spat)

Hmmm.

Hoddle of all people not picking him for England. Always preferred him to Gascoigne.

Ah Henrik'll be eligible again in January xp, plenty of time to get those voting fingers into training.

Overall I think this worked pretty well, no? Any suggested tweaks to the format for next month? Maybe make the poll a bit shorter. My feeling is that five candidates was probably about right, and three-month quarantine for losers will be long enough.

I think a shorter poll length, yeah. But this was good. really made me think about henning berg (not really)

http://gfx.dagbladet.no/kultur/2004/11/25/berg.jpg

GUESS WHO JUST SHOWED UP ON ALL-TIME OWN GOALS PL TOP TEN

didn't here that stat bandied about last week