Thread for continued speculation on l'affaire KEYSY etc, rolling reactionary stupidity/misogyny/prejudice in football

these cunts seem like typical news corp exec/'talent' level employees, riding the wilmslowwave of upscale mock tudor banality, peroxide wifelets, extramarital toilet beejes, boutique divorce lawyers on retainer and drinksodden four figure blowouts at ainstree, all the while cackling in the knowledge that they are truly avatars of the age, gazing down from on high over the routinized sadism and relentless coarseness of coalition era anglobourgie

they are the conduit between the aging post-gazza gentrified blokecult hoardes and the priapic young gods of the epl who can and will fuck anything that moves, the pornographic fantasies of the former mutating into grim menopausal fuckwant via continued proximity to the latter

truly they are evil incarnate, but what is to be done?

oestrogen injections

btw you've outdone yourself with that opening post

hope this thread has gone smoothly by the time I return in a few hours

keys should be sacked, somehow feel he went way further than gray on this one?

they might think this is an apt opportunity for rebranding anyway? idk how attached sky and their viewers are to keysy

andy gray does seem pretty intregal to their shit tho, cant see them letting go of him

gray def their star man, even tho he's pretty bad at what he does

sort of fitting that sky's franchise playa isn't really all that [via terry, carragher, rooney etc]

Keep watching after the inital Keys/Gray conversation for Gray's thoughts before the match.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvVXOc0zyOY

they both need to be ditched, in terms of improving the coverage. both way too self satisfied, gray in particular. but if it's about this incident keys is way worse. that "do us a favour love" is prehistoric shit, as is the idea that women are somehow hardwired not to understand the offside law.

Yeah, as has been noted the worst of this is the tone. I will happily admit to saying all kinds of indefensible shit in the pub or whatever, when bantering or joking, and let he who is without sin etc. But Keys sounds sub-Littlejohn on the tape, a 1950s throwback with not a trace of humour in what he's saying. He comes across as somebody who for real despises women. Gray is really only nodding and mumbling agreement I think which ain't great but hey we've all got into those conversations with shocking wankers where it's easier to not intervene.

^

nah hang on I hadn't heard it that clearly before. Gray's been a fucking tool as well.

haha you wouldn't want to be seen siding with HIM on this issue rite

rite

nah I just played that video clip which had a lot cleaner version of the tape plus that on camera stuff. I mean Gray still seems less spiteful than Keys but I dunno maybe he's never had a messy divorce or something

damn i've heard the tape again and if u amp up the mid frequencies and block out the whirring background drone of partridgesque self-regard, you can hear them pretty clearly DENYING THE HOLOCAUST

have we got Littlejohn's definite "thoughts" on the issue yet btw?

yeah, from me iirc

lol well played

not rly ;_;

Stoked for his column. Hopefully he can get a couple of murdered prostitute gags in there.

richard littlejohn seems to write every three or four days, last was friday's warsi/islam piece so i'm guessing his next missives will be online within a couple of hours

xp you're confusing him with stuart little?

WOOAH I missed the bit in Stuart Little where the loveable little mouse made a joke about murdered prostitutes?

http://www.gamers-globe.com/images/screenshots/stuart-little-3-big-photo-adventure/stuart-little-3-big-photo-adventure-ps2-001.jpg

my bad

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/StuartLeeResofit1.jpg/220px-StuartLeeResofit1.jpg

haha

Think he gave that cat the double deuce at one point but the cat was asking for it.

idk how attached sky and their viewers are to keysy

Nobody would miss him if he went tomorrow. When have you ever, in 19 years of Premiership coverage, ever heard someone said that they liked Richard Keys, or that he was really good at his job? Until recently I don't even remember anyone saying anything particularly bad about him either.

have u ever been to norwich tho

Don't give these two a red card

Why on earth should Sky presenters Andy Gray and Richard Keys be pilloried for something they said off-air?

I would imagine their considered view that women have no business running the line at Premier League football matches would be considered utterly uncontroversial by most gentlemen of a certain age.

Come to mention it, most women of a certain age would probably agree, too.

By all accounts, the lady linesman involved is a jolly good sport and wasn’t in the slightest bit offended. All the chaps said was that she didn’t understand the offside rule. I’m not sure I understand the offside rule these days, either. And I’ve been around football all my life.

Yet we’ve had a procession of po-faced feminists feigning outrage at this alleged ‘slight’. Keys and Gray have been accused of ‘appalling and damaging sexism’. For goodness sake. I’ve heard much worse said about male linesmen, not to mention referees and their parentage being called into question.

This was a private conversation between two mates that should never have gone any further. In an age when the Prime Minister’s spokesman is hounded from office for allegedly colluding in the hacking of phone messages in his previous incarnation as a newspaper editor, why should the private thoughts of two football presenters be considered less sacrosanct than those of any other public figure?

I know the old adage that you should never say anything unguarded in front of a live microphone. But we’ve all done it.

Whatever you think of what was said, there’s more than a sneaking suspicion here that Andy Gray, at least, has been set up by someone at Sky to take a fall.

All the chaps said was that she didn’t understand the offside rule. I’m not sure I understand the offside rule these days, either. And I’ve been around football all my life.

Yeah, and it's not your paid job on a football pitch to, mate. And no-one's suggested that you can't do it because of your gender, same as no-one who throws abuse at rubbish linesman (and god knows I do it every week), to the best of my knowledge, is suggesting they can't do their jobs because they are men. The amount of wilful point-missing all over the place wrt this is amazing.

I take it that article is by Littlejohn then, aye?

Biggest point-missing was a piece in The Times yesterday arguing that the lino didn't deserve this because she'd've'd to work twice as hard as any male lino to get where she was so should be cut a bit of slack. Fair enough - but the journo didn't even point out that she got the call right! The impression was all 'be nice to the lady, she's doing her best', which is very much not the way to counter the furore here.

xp That was by Littlejohn, yes.

btw, I'm absolutely fine with "lol women don't be understanding offside" as a meme and a joke. Anyone who's spent any time in a car with me will know I'm the world's worst at making cracks about women drivers, so it would be hypocritical of me to not laugh at anyone trotting out the old football cliche in the world. But Keys and Gray didn't sound like they were joking, and the totally undisguised disgust in Keys' voice when discussing Karren Brady was just vile unreconstructed misogyny.

I suspect Helen Chamberlain will be the patsy for the "go on, explain the offside rule then, GIRL" on Sky Sports on Saturday morning to make it all OK again.

It's been a pretty bad few days for his old mates in the Murdoch empire but, wow, Littlejohn is shook.

I notice "lol, we've all done it, what can you do, eh?" wasn't to the forefront of what passes for Littlejohn's mind when Gordon Brown's private thoughts were accidentally broadcast to the world.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1269918/ELECTION-2010-Gordon-Brown-hates-everybody--Labour-voters-included.html

Andy Gray was in the High Court last week suing Murdoch's News of the World. Leaked audio and footage on Saturday.

Must be a coincidence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hat59BkFnQA&feature=related

Feel so sorry for the lino having her drunken facebook pictures plastered all over the papers, as if that has anything to do with anything. Pretty much anyone in the modern world could be treated like shit just by having one drunk night where their friend had a camera.

David Lister drags up a completely unrelated incident to bash footballers as not only sexist but anti-semitic too. “Hearing both footballers and football commentators off-screen can be a shock to the system… [Matt Le Tissier] caused collective jaw-dropping [once saying] ‘I always enjoyed playing at White Hart Lane,’ mentioning the ground of Tottenham Hotspur, whose Jewish fans make up a large proportion of its support. ‘It was the only place where I felt I didn’t have a big nose.’ He was followed by Richard Keys, who gave one of the most witless and sexist speeches I have heard… Keys remarked that he had once glimpsed Cherie at a function. He grimaced, made noises of disgust and wondered aloud how on earth Blair could be attracted to her.”

The front of the Sun has one of her facebook snaps with the headline "get 'em off" (referring, obviously, to the much smaller pictures of Keys and Gray). Ugh.

And yes, being outraged at the Sun being offensive is like being outraged at the actual sun daring to rise in the morning, I know.

see, what Le Tiss has done there is made a joke, and not a bad one. Keys on the other hand, that doesn't seem to be a joke at all, though he probably thinks it is. It's actually the problem with mainstream telly coverage in a nutshell, albeit usually they stick to cynicism rather than tipping into abuse.

jesus you fucking retard, it is emphatically not acceptable for a gentile to make jokes like that

letiss ilf hall of fame papal infallibility

ismael ilf hall of nult banal infantility

if u2 beefed now it wdnt have owt on zvooks vs deems

can you not pretend this is some contrived 'beef', he is not merely exculpating but praising someone for making shitty antisemitic jokes

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/86/EwigerJudeFilm.jpg/220px-EwigerJudeFilm.jpg

Were the Le Tissiers collaborators during the occupation of Gurnsey?

this is gonna be 2011's bottle opener thread, I know it

a couple of my jewish friends have made 'big nose' jokes about themselves but to do it indiscriminately runs too great a risk of a) offence and b) falling into the ken of genuine antisemitism, so on balance, one shouldn't praise such behaviour on ILX, even if one is attempting to see it in context

jewish friends have made 'big nose' jokes about themselves

CAN YOU NOT SEE THE DIFFERENCE

YES I CAN HENCE THE REST OF MY POST

FUCKSAKE DUDE

How many Jews can you fit in a Mini?

Four (Jews are not a different size to Gentiles)

What did the big Jew say to the little Jew?

Stop hiding behind that tree!

this is gonna be 2011's bottle opener thread, I know it

americans dont hate women they just shoot them iirc

fucking hell lj you acknowledged you came acropper on the r10 bottle opener thread

don't pretend this is some talking points shit, gentiles should not invoke shitty stereotypes about jews in the service of inane 19th hole banter

there isn't any more to say

Three Jews walk into a bar, have a couple of rounds and pleasant conversation, one of them uses the fruity while talking to a cute girl whose friends are late to meet her and then they leave.

dude, I agreed with you, if you read my post properly, I was just being fair to IK but coming down on your side

and yeah, I did come a cropper - older, wiser etc - but come on, I'm just trying to keep the peace

Why did the Jewish chicken cross the road?

To avoid the NF protest going on.

a hoy is it true that in the popular american musical genre of rap, ethnic slurs are 'reclaimed'?

idk, what's that all about?

and '19th hole banter' is very much indiscriminately. plz pop over to the ILE thread I just bumped where that issue can be further discussed. altho maybe your own brit culture thread wdve been a better bump (transfer it there?)

They hate black people iirc

lj i read your post correctly rather than properlyand yeah the problem is you are 'just being fair to IK' where NO 'FAIRNESS' WHATSOEVER is permissable

not saying he or le tissier are raging jew haters but there simply is no equanmity affordable here, it's just not fucking done nahmean?

I'm really trying to be all about the equanimity atm - there are some things though where zero tolerance is probably for the best, including racial discrimination. The only context where it's acceptable, as I said, is the one where rhetorical guns are turned on oneself, so yeah, nakh otm, but don't hate on IK - hate on the fact such dull and unfunny stereotypes continue to be bandied, and such prejudices continue to be upheld - the eventual aim is to kill prejudice by loving the people, is it not?

god I sound like a pious fuckwit, time out for lunch imo

that's fair enough lj, and yeah i usually advise more equanimity and less stridency, so this thread is something of a reversal of types

you aren't pious but you do eat lunch very early

I dunno, I dislike a lot of people. Not because of their different races, religions, gender or sexuality (maybe class if i'm honest). "loving" is a stupid idea. Just understand that people are born differently but that in reality it isn't that important on how they act or work or think and then if you understand that, you will hopefully know that there is no need to be a dick.*

*unless you work for NewsCorp, in which you'll get a promotion.

it's actually brunch, woke at 9.50 but talked to nzqt for 2 hrs :)

just saying, when it comes to tidying up the world's prejudices, ILX is srsly the very, very least of our worries!

How can you tell if a person is Jewish?

Ask them politely.

Did you hear the one about the woman who didn't understand the offside rule?

It was understandable, she never really cared for football. She could tell you about all the rules in hockey though.

just saying, when it comes to tidying up the world's prejudices, ILX is srsly the very, very least of our worries!

the difference is i read ilx whereas i don't visit hebron/stoke/moskow

I think David James called Le Tissier out on that particular joke iirc.

maybe an angry man in a staffordshire telephone box is curently smashing the receiver against the glass because THE JEWS have just confiscated his last 20p

thankfully he does not contribute to ilx though

What would cheer me up would be if they replace Keys with Jim White and then him & Charlie Nicholas laughing about the potato famine when they didn't realise they were being filmed was brought up and they had to sack him as well.

http://i54.tinypic.com/334ruk1.jpg

how else can our august pundits persecute nakhchivan

also lol

I'm looking forward to the Sky 1 follow-up documentary where Keys and Gray have to go and hang out in a women's refuge for a month.

Haven It Large

lol

lol, also thanks for indirectly reminding me of "Alan Shearer looks at the effects of apartheid on South Africa".

"Richard Littlejohn goes on the game in Ipswich for a fortnight"

Melanie Phillips' Pilgrimage To Mecca

James Delingpole Occupies SOAS

Would prefer "James Delingpole is dragged thru the Sahara Desert by his ankles tied to the back of a Jeep" tbh

"Richard Littlejohn goes on the game in Ipswich for a fortnight"

― Cars and Freedom (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 12:38 (4 minutes ago)

http://i.imgur.com/FDRlA.jpg

What did the Jewish person say when he went on Countdown?

^^^^Ok I cannot think of a good answer but I feel it has potential.

'get ready for this week's countdown kabbalah'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHQomJ4Gfws

20 seconds in.

LOL

contra sgt biscuits, the greatness of thebig_sam lies exactly in its repetitiveness and relentless crudity

:D

repetitiveness without ever quite repeating, yeah - stolidity

Sorry, I had to go out and missed all this. Possibly for the best though - someone might've called someone 'you fucking retard', and then we'd've had to think about that for a while.

nakh: h8s the mentally handicapped

j/k 'retard' is a great insult and also admittance of lateness we've done this before etc

there's nothing to think about, if you think that le tissier shit is remotely acceptable then fucking retard is towards the lenient end of the diagnostic spectrum

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/711/ffffof.gif

^ even he knows

omg needs a gif of that last half-second of orgasmic reverie

just dissolves to some more football players, best left as an inchoate intimation of the allardycian dreamworld

ha true

Using seventy7s✧✧✧@gm✧✧✧.c✧✧ password: ilxfuntimes security question manager at first job answer - Ned Raggett

http://twitter.com/keysopendoors password is ilxfuntimes

prove you can do it properly

argh, that is seventy7swag @ gmail.com

^^^^

77swag is because i was thinking of making this a secret borad 'set up a bunch of fake twitter accounts' type thing but then i quickly realised that it would get bogged down in 'who is richard keys, go away limey'

keysopendoors Richard Keys!
I've CNTRL+F'd these Oscar acting nominations four times, and still I can't find Jenna Haze. What do the Academy think they're playing at?

<3 u guyz.

nah let's keep it l33t, keep it lowercase too imo!

Betfair, the online betting exchange endorsed by Gray, said today it condemned the former player's behaviour but would not be dropping him from its advertising for now. Gray has been a very visible presence in its latest advertising campaigns. "Betfair doesn't tolerate sexism, and we expect others who represent our brand to share similar values," said a spokesman. "We've expressed our disappointment to Andy Gray's representatives about the comments that have been reported in the media over the last 48 hours. At present we have no plans to change the way we work with Andy."

change their name to Fair Betty in recompense imo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwH1fLEMDkY

slee killin it there

stewart little's finest hour

Egg-dy Gr-egg

Five Live just reported Andy Gray's been sacked.

That's Andy Gray, who is currently suing the News of the World.

He'll be saying to his manager: "No don't sack me, don't gimme me P45"

he's thinking I've got to make sure of this, I've got to put him away for good

Think they shd probably get rid of Keys too unless they want this shit to look slightly conspiracy-esque.

He's got himself into an awkward position there, and he's just said to the boss: "Go on then, put this fat face out of a job."

TIK A BOO

in all seriousness it's amazing if they keep keys and lose gray. at least gray attempts to offer insight. keys is just a smug dickhead, and what he said was way worse.

"new evidence of unacceptable behaviour" says guardian. presumably hence why it's not keys as well - guess they checked his internet history.

apparently they found new evidence of offensive behaviour. about twenty fucking years worth of it imo

dude'll be working MLS games in the states soon enough, watch :(

i look forward to seeing him on a dodgy internet feed this weekend

in all of this one has to wonder how richard 'keysy' keys is reacting on social media.

Sky Sports today terminated its contract with Andy Gray.

The decision, which is effective immediately, was made in response to new evidence of unacceptable and offensive behaviour.

The new evidence, relating to an off-air incident that took place in December 2010, came to light after Andy Gray had already been subjected to disciplinary action for his comments of 22nd January 2011.

Barney Francis, managing director of Sky Sports, said: "Andy Gray's contract has been terminated for unacceptable behaviour.

"After issuing a warning yesterday, we have no hesitation in taking this action after becoming aware of new information today."

may be this?

"The lewd scenes, involving fellow shamed colleague Richard Keys, show the pundit asking Sky Sports News presenter Charlotte Jackson to tuck a microphone pack down his trousers. Gray suggestively asks Jackson: ‘Charlotte, can you tuck this [microphone pack] down here for me love… Tuck this down here.’"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1350425/Andy-Gray-Richard-Keys-fresh-storm-lewd-sexist-behaviour.html

Sian Massey has apparently been withdrawn from the match she was meant to running the line on tonight.

WestwoodLee@RossKinnaird still the punishment doesn't seem to fit the crime. It's a PC world now. It's a shame cos he calls a game better than anyone.

Bet they used a Mac to send his you're fired email tbrr

apparently they found new evidence of offensive behaviour. about twenty fucking years worth of it imo

― Cars and Freedom (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, January 25, 2011 4:31 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

OTM x 1000!!

Will Keys stand by his man?

http://twitter.com/search?q=%23teamandygray

watched that grow for 15 minutes, felt a bit suicidal

https://www.soccerprint.co.uk/components/com_virtuemart/shop_image/product/96be6a6af10edd43dc67b232dcdc331a.gif

Tik a Bow sun.

And the FA is now run by a Jew? A bad day. a Very bad day.

next their make a statue of justin fashanu riding a pink tiger

nearly posted to the premier league thread before i remembered the hoo-ha previously.

couldn't be happier that gray has been sacked.

i do hate the over-use of c**t on the premier league thread - is dick not sufficient? - but gray is probably the biggest cundick out there, with an ego in inverse proportion to his brain.

always loved/hated his explanation of formations on the graphics, when you new that he'd get one of the wide players to drop in behind the front man.

keys must be on borrowed time.

anyway, i'm behind my tractor boys tonight.

is dick not sufficient?

when you have cunt you want dick, and vice versa. faraway hills and all that.

sorry i've gone a bit "do us a favour love" there

ah bollocks

i didn't have a cunting clue what you meant anyway

whatever: cunted is an action of hitting the ball, we try to keep it to that

except when discussing john terry, andy gray et al.

anyway, good luck for the game tonight a hoy hoy.

rip andy gray

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvsaG3b9uVY

Really hope Old Hairy Hands gets sacked next.

Keys = LAD
Kamball94 2 minutes ago

srsly these people are fucking cunts are i'm rly pleased to see gray fired

keys is anathema and will surely shortly follow

whatever: cunted is an action of hitting the ball, we try to keep it to that

― supply 'n d-man (a hoy hoy), Tuesday, 25 January 2011 20:02 (1 hour ago)

this is could do with being laid to rest in the ilf shitty memes graveyard tbrr

Keys presumably still on some level of disciplinary warning, Gray presumably now gone through every level of "STOP FUCKING DOING THAT" that he can before his HR department have no option but to terminate his contract.

srsly nobody cares about richard keys, even the scum rags aren't going to make a cause celebre out of the world's least memorable tv presenter

Don't see how you can go thru the levels retrospectively unless say you're also engaged in legal action against your employer.

Am just guessing as to previous, otherwise I'd reckon he might have a case for unfair dismissal.

yeah dunno how long the court case has been going on for or whether News International has routine black ops contingency plans for rogue presenters

srsly nobody cares about richard keys

I do, I've never liked him or his hairy ends, even when he was hosting the Tour de France on Channel 4 back in the 80s.

fwiw there is v little faux tudor shit in wilmslow, tho i appreciate you were channeling betjeman. i appreciated rio's echoing of ronan upthread, he is a shitLAD, w/ all the honour that goes w/ it

the literal shit-revelry; gratification as brought by enormous mounds of excrement within which one chooses to carouse

never read betjeman, wilmslow is just synecdoche for footballerland

and nb&s, of course people HATE richard keys, but i don't think many people care enough /for/ him

paradoxically, if he had become /more/ of a shouty clarksonite, he might get more support from the scum papers and the truelad.com contributors

as it is he is just some wallpaper that said some stuff

hairy wallpaper

the osborne family fortune iirc

one of my friends has expressed his fury (via the medium of Facebook) at Gray's sacking on the grounds that he will inevitably rinse them for £millions in an unfair dismissal lawsuit, which will cause the price of Sky Sports subscriptions to rise

not sure he's given this the close analysis it warrants tbh

betjeman is a fucking stain on our literary character

abominable poet

idk what the notional ref to betj is other than sneering at suburbia via condensed signifiers like mocktudor, which is kinda outdated since most upscale exurban development these days is pofaced quinlanite hackwork or barclays homes stuff distended by 800%

have seen metroland which i can kinda sympathize with but didn't really rate

the redknapp clip is as mentioned a new low

keys is /done/

the leamington lycanthrope has his jaw to the kerb and the righteous jackboot of the press will shortly do the rest

http://www.theapt.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/sarah_shahi_glasses_big_8.jpg

hang on, which redknapp clip?

"barclays home stuff distended by 800%" - awes

wait what's w/ the pic are we all oglers now

Feel this needs to be on here - redolent of Partridge at the desk of the Linton Travel Tavern
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2v5t1WxMQI

wow doesn't ulrika-ka-ka-ka look like jodie foster back then?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgN4NrlXQEQ

Keys/Redknapp clip no longer available.

that's sarah shahi expressing her satisfaction at la mort de KEYSY

there is a tenuous sopranos ref to my prev post

Here you go:
http://www.sabotagetimes.com/sabotage/videos?id=894&tit=%22Would+you+smash+it%22%3A+Richard+Keys+in+action+on+Sky+Sports

ha just coming to post that link

suggestion to mods: rename thread to "bring on the cunts: rolling reactionary football threads cunting it for the footie lads"

Repeated use of "it" says it all.

haha BURN xp

many xp - not just filled w/ bogus/mock tudor houses but wives who peroxide their hair - maybe i shld have waited for a third sign before i called betjeman. anyway alderley edge & wilmslow cld be skewered like this if you were so inclined but they are kind of peculiar & distinct

Was also just coming to say it's back up on Youtube, but internets was going dead slow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxr79eRSbNk

SO MUCH CRINGE.

the sort of ppl who get upset about richard keys being called a cunt are cavilling reets

Repeated use of "it" says it all.

― onimo, Tuesday, January 25, 2011 11:15 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

you got it then

saw the link and I hit it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9q8mN4c9Zk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYIDOjK3nC8

i alluded elsewhere keys and gray can get called to fuck.

if you're going to keep using cunt and defending its use, in a thread that's talking about sexism in football, at least explain why?

Swearing isn't sexist.

do you reckon it might be rockist tho onimo? i feel that's a discush we should be having

RICH KEY$Y
KNOWN ACROSS THE NATION
SMASH AND HANG IS MY FAVOURITE COMBINATION

Speaking as a girlie, I don't find its use in "bad sweary word" or "kicking a ball extremely hard" context particularly sexist or offensive.

srsly nobody cares about richard keys, even the scum rags aren't going to make a cause celebre out of the world's least memorable tv presenter

― nakhchivan, Tuesday, January 25, 2011 10:05 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

the other guy is memorable? i don't want to be a cunt, but honestly you shouldn't watch sky.

http://i53.tinypic.com/mkanwm.jpg

nah, gray is not especially memorable but he has a kinda rep as a player and probably some 'roguish charm' to sky viewers i guess xp

richard keys is just not even there

Gray isn't a 'TV presenter' iirc

I have to say i did enjoy Gray's imaginary player dialogues. Not that he intended them to be funny.

would you smash it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCEjCsMU9_s

are they talking about louise from eternal

The debate about the C-word has been extensive on ILX and my personal take on it is that the word as used in the UK has become divorced from misogynist invective in the same way that cock or dick as terms of abuse don't really connect to the image of the male member. Obviously in a private discourse with somebody who was offended by the use of the word I would avoid using it, but an internet message board is a different level of discourse in which the potential for offence is so limitless that a blanket avoidance of potentially offensive language is not possible.

In these cases we have agreed that only blatant hate speech is to be forbidden, which is why this board would not welcome, say, Jack Straw, to name one famous racist cunt.

surprising how buffon, baros and aaron hunt arent our 3 favourite current players

This is the 21st century, for heaven’s sake. As long as they are not distracting the male players with their come-hither smiles and intoxicating musk, or suffering their mood-altering “monthly business”, then what is the problem?

[...]

Gray and Keys’s crime was not to be sexist, but to be sexist towards women. Worse still, they foolishly chose to target not the entire gender but a blameless individual with a name, a heart, a face and a soul. Not to mention rather lovely legs.

The great thing about weeks like this is you can update your .xls of complete fucking bell-ends

lol that's such a 'regional paper' column I could well believe it to be a parody

I do not claim to be a broadcasting expert (as you can hear for yourself when I cover the Pete Price Show on Radio City 96.7, all next week)

http://twitter.com/#!/Jay_SouthLondon

how did u find that allardyce clip....it had like 300 views on youtube

if the press are going to run and run with the misoj in football theme then i could see attn being drawn to that

might be worth emailing to a few news providers idk, he is actually sexually humiliating an irl person in a manner p similar to that which did for gray

RT @hofflimits: I heard a female Assistant Referee is going to explain the Equality Act to Andy Gray and Richard keys using condiments on the kitchen table.

Good work

That "would you smash it?" thing is just cringeworthy, Keysey butting into the conversation in a desperate attempt to be one of the lads. I like Gullit fixating intently on his Blackberry rather than acknowledging him.

I think "would smash" is probably dead as a meme.

Where's the Allardyce clip again?

au contraire, WS has just picked up a whole new set of useful connotations

http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/711/ffffof.gif

that gleeful little squint and headroll is hilariously reminiscent of a good friend of mine

http://twitter.com/#!/Jay_SouthLondon

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Opinionated and considered thinker of the game, looking to become involved in football writing and blogging.

good luck with that.

i wasn't there for the birth of ws but i thought it was always supposed to go with how creepy and dommy p the thread intention was? keysy fits right in with whoever it was this morning going "oh noes! her skin has a slight mark! ew!"

Keys on TalkSport in a few minutes apparently.

oh crap that means i have to stop listening to the elgar viloin sonata on r3

I wonder if the "smash it"/"hanging out the back of it" thing will come up, guessing not.

Keys is the oldest person i've ever heard say 'smash it' - picked it up from the runner?

this is great

he actually tried to twist it around to blaming brady for not taking his calls

hawksbee and jacobs oozing subtle disdain for him

also apparently it's not the time to have the discussion about the appropriateness of sexist banter, even thoughe he says he's apologised for it several times

"political correctness gone maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad!"

i pray hawksbee does not think that himself, though i distrust him since harry hill's i wanna baby single

"dark forces" lol

"it's for others to say whether we were the best at our job, we like to think we were"

"leave sian massey alone, get off her case"

classic tactics being employed here

this is getting very awkward isn't it.

he's very very defensive, and not mortified about what he said at all.

what a curious interview

he's mortified about what's been made about it and that he was caught. the repeated 'im very sorry, not for myself, but for others' is absolutely head achign in its insincerity.

i feel like he kind of turned it around by the end, the stuff about behavior that needs reconstructing and stuff like that. i don't feel like he's insincere because i kind of believe he wants to resign in protest at andy grey being sacked, & is too conceited want to keep his job at all cost

Keys granting his interview to the official radio voice of white van man is a clever move on his part, he knows he's talking to an audiencce of people who basically agree with him.

http://thescore.thejournal.ie/richard-keys-takes-to-airwaves-to-defend-sexism-leaks-2011-01/

Full version here.

Did they really run an erectile dysfunction ad straight after the interview?

is it plausible that it took a media firestorm for keys to consider the ramifications of this shit? it hardly seems it.

"that's for others to decide" abt stuff that he obv agreed with, and brady not taking his calls, and "you hear more complaints than support when something like this happens" and his "she got the call right, thank god" and charlotte "SHE CAN HANDLE HERSELF" and oh so many things, absolutely infuriating

who exactly is "on sian massey's case"...he's the dickhead who called her entire career into question. also "just banter" etc...fuck off. "just banter" is the new standard defence of racism/sexism etc.

major lols in my office at the bit about brady "i don't know why she didn't take the call". hmmm i can think of a reason!!

i feel like he kind of turned it around by the end, the stuff about behavior that needs reconstructing and stuff like that. i don't feel like he's insincere because i kind of believe he wants to resign in protest at andy grey being sacked, & is too conceited want to keep his job at all cost

bog standard 'mea culpa i need to go pray with my pastor' stuff, no?

What are these DARK FORCES that are massing against him?

dark, hairy forces

if he wasn't such a repulsive fella i'd have some sympathy for him. if you're 50-odd and going around talking about smashing and banging and the other stuff he's on about at every opportunity, in the way he's on about it, then you're a sad sad man with some significant issues to work out.

bog standard 'mea culpa i need to go pray with my pastor' stuff, no?

― henri grenouille (Frogman Henry), Wednesday, January 26, 2011

yeah maybe, maybe i was just dying for some shit that was clearly not coded stuff for his supporters

if he wasn't such a repulsive fella i'd have some sympathy for him. if you're 50-odd and going around talking about smashing and banging and the other stuff he's on about at every opportunity, in the way he's on about it, then you're a sad sad man with some significant issues to work out.

OTM (except I wouldn't feel sympathy). He comes across as someone who actually *hates* women. And in the 'smash it' clip, he just comes across as desperately trying to ingratiate himself with Redknapp etc.

i feel disappointed he's been allowed to try and apologise for this. nothing he says alters the hateful tone. like if there was an element of wit in what he said you could call it banter, even if it was offensive. but that "do us a favour love" and worse, his "HEH HEH HEH HEH HEH HEH HEH HEH HEH HEH HEH" in all these emerging clips just damns the guy. what a rodent.

http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/the-staggers/2011/01/sky-sports-keys-gray-melvin

So basically, everyone who has ever worked on Soccer Sunday hates them and will be partying in the streets like Thatcher's just died.

Also enjoyed his lofty "my information is it does" with reference to Rio Ferdinand and whether 'this sort of thing' goes on in Utd dressing room. His information?? Has he got some network of spies or something?

[CONTROVERSIAL MOD EDIT]s the same people as Rio, Nani and Anderson is my bet.

bit worried by how much i want "do me a favour love" to take off

http://twitpic.com/3tivj1

^Daily Mail effort seems to say Sian Massey was asking for it.

(also: flag on the centre line wtf)

haha at flag

Keys "set to resign" according to this

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Richard-Keys-set-to-resign-from-Sky-Sport-after-Sian-Massey-sexism-row-and-Talksport-interview-sources-article682781.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

(dunno why I called the halfway line the centre line there - displaying my non-manly footballing knowledge)

old skool style panels on the football a nice 'Mac touch'

as are the old skool hefty footballers?

old skool style panels on the football a nice 'Mac touch'

I still draw footballs like that :)

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xp my default football drawing is the 1970 World Cup ball, even though I wasn't born for another 15 years.

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Plus: Andy Grey is sacked for sexist jibes. But are his comments really any worse than Loose Women's constant digs at men?
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is the Mail/Mac cartoon deliberately 70s-style? has to be...

so farewell then

back behind the sofa without a whistle alert, where you belong

Throughout his career, Keys has been troubled by his abnormally hairy hands, so much so that he has undergone laser hair therapy treatment.

r.i.p heaven needed an angel to bang on about zonal marking.

I'm just kind of impressed how many blokes watch Loose Women on the reg.

And come away feeling intimidated by it, by the sound of things.

Keys resigns

http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/soccer/2011/0126/1224288353461.html

"Dark forces". Grow up, you prick.

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTPP0H50euEBC-Bk8veVuNR2cwMUrg-5K3BAGBXrL8FTlrRpRkWBw&t=1

RIP Big Men

I'm probably the only cunt here upset about this,in that I actually enjoy Andy Gray and Keys on sky sports. Obviously they're arseholes and talk shite,but it just won't be the same for me anymore. Who is going to verbally fellate Rooney when/if he gets good again :(

If stelling gets moved then I'll really be upset.

men never make passes at cunts in dark glasses

Started to have sex with one of my girl mates, when she said "you cant tell your friends about this, I don't what my boyfriend finding out." I replied, "don't worry this is just banter!" LAD.

Actually listening to the Keys apologies now, unbelievably bitter sounding. Obviously not sorry.

only sorry he's got to work out where the next keys-gray gig is going to go down, now that it's not the media box at ot/anfield/stamford/emirates.

i hope he's calling numbers on a sunday afternoon bingo soon. with an o.b.e. for services to tosser charities under his belt.

nobody really expects him to be genuinely sorry or really understand the situation tho right? given the casualness of the original comments made only a few days tho.

Exactly. He's acting as if he made a one-off mistake which has been blown out of proportion, but the 'smashed it' clip gives the lie to that. "I'm sorry I'm now unemployed as I've been exposed as a total cunt" would be nearer the truth.

Is it possible that Sky could employ some actual journalists to do these jobs? I saw that the Bir/WHU game tonight had Stelling (who I don't really mind), Redknapp and Merson doing analysis. The latter two are just fucking goons, total idiots. I despair.

Redknapp is very handsome tho. No homo.

do you watch sunday supplement or listen to the podcast krau?

it's a sky show where a bunch of print journalists chill with like orange juice & croissants

i wouldn't say there's an astonishing increase in the level of insight, sadly

I've held my hands up. I was wrong. The big man's held his hands up. He was wrong. We've both held our hands up. We were both wrong. At times we've resembled Adams and Bould circa 1991! One mistake. 20 years. One mistake. Well, just goes to show. There's no loyalty in football. Not any more.

It's not me I feel sorry for. I'm still in my prime. Plenty of networks have wanted me over the years. You'd be surprised by some of the names. Let's just says that a certain West Brom supporting breakfast show host should be thanking me for his career. Tapping up happens. Of course it does.

But what about my mate. Andy Gray. He's given his life to this place. 20 years and hardly missed a game. Not like some of your modern pros who have to feel 'just right' before they pull out the microphone. Shameful. The way he's been treated. Shameful.

This place was nothing when we arrived. Do you think they ever dreamed about your HD's and your 3D's and your red buttons then? Do me a favour love. Look at the place now. Some people have short memories. But we remember. And the fans remember. Make no mistake about that. They're not stupid. And it's them I feel sorry for the most. The fans. No-one seems to have mentioned them in this whole business. No change there then.

"Football's changing and you've got to change with it Keysey" they tell me. Well if the change is for the better, if it's improving the game, then fine, you'll find me at the front of the queue leading the charge. But if it's not? As Andy says, "if it ain't broke don't fix it." Wise bloke Andy.

I don't feel that this is the end though. No danger. They'll be twists and turns before this all plays out. There always is. We'll see what happens a few games down the road when the new guys come in. I hear there going to give Stelling a go. Now Jeff's a good friend of mine. A good friend and a good pro. But I'm sure he won't mind me saying that he's untested at this level. This is a big step up and he knows it. This is Super Sunday. I wish him well but I'm fearful to be honest. The job's hard enough, but add in replacing a double testimonial legend, then the pressure will be enormous. Well we'll see. Will I be back? Well if 20 years have taught me anything it's that you never say never in this game. One thing's for sure though. You just can't take your eyes off it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Svg0hh54fa0

http://twitter.com/#!/N_Omusic/status/30385039917187073

Fail to see how anyone could accuse Rio Ferdy of taking the mick out of women

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/06/16/article-0-055C377D000005DC-277_468x627.jpg

i think it is less "taking the mick" and more cme

Guardian in "completely stupid and pointless poll" shocker.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/poll/2011/jan/26/richard-keys-sky-sports

http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Richard-Keys-Andy-Gray-sexism-row-Arab-TV-station-Al-Jazeera-want-to-hire-shamed-former-Sky-duo-article683759.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Super-rich Arab TV station Al Jazeera want to snap up Richard Keys and Andy Gray

I got a 'joke' text yesterday - fake Andy Gray job-seeker thing where he was looking for work in Saudi/Iran or "anywhere else women know their fucking place".

Does Andy Gray often send you joke texts?

lol at the description of Al-Jazeera as "super rich"!

though compared with the Mirror it's fair dos

Does Andy Gray often send you joke texts?

You see where I said "fake"?

Surprise!

Ugh.

"This was off-air and 11 years ago and anyone who knows me knows that Ruud Gullit, Dion Dublin and Ian Wright are not only my past associates but some of my best friends.”

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4146/5444955728_8a47dfc0be_b.jpg

Where are the live blogs? Not listening to this, natch, but interested nonetheless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdjRhG1e4b4

jamie clearly picking up vocabulary from keysy. or maybe yung humma.

NintendoWiiUK | 10 February 2011

can only conclude it was a nice bit of meta from those clever japs

"Thank you – all of you – who helped me and Andy (Gray) build from some very dark places these past few months," it begins. "You've been fantastic. To those who know me well and are concerned about what may bite you going forward – be sure it will – from the brothers of airline pilots to those of you who placed unusual bets on the last day of the season and have had a fairly easy ride despite indiscretions in Vegas."

With a bit more effort he could position himself as Britain's answer to Charlie Sheen.

#winning vs #smashing

The duo, who earlier this year were still using state-of-the-art technology to present Premier League games on the subscription channel, are shown in the videos talking about football on park benches, filmed by what looks to be a cameraphone.

At one point in the now unavailable videos, the pair's discussion on football is drowned out by the noise of a passing van.

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/world-of-sport/article/70315/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TlBaeUjO1g

you don't buy them. they don't come in packets.

This is the first time Gray has spoken about the events which took place in January of last year. I ask him whether he thought that was the end of his life and he says: “Yes.”

So did he think of killing himself?

The 56-year-old looks up and admits: “I would be lying if I said I didn’t.”

oh fuck off

“My job affected so many other people. I’ve got lots of family and friends that I looked after financially because of what I earned. Overnight, I couldn’t look after them any more.”

What Gray is now keen to influence are the minds that he can change. He is genuinely surprised when I say he had a reputation for being arrogant.

“You stagger me. I’ve never heard that levelled at me. I just can’t believe that. I’ve always treated people the way I would like to be treated myself.”

Arrogant? YOU STAGGER ME!!!!!!!!!

In all the 'banter' he has witnessed in his many years in the game not once has any of the stuff thrown at him included the suggestion that he may be a little bit arrogant? These dressing rooms haven't been doing their bantering properly obviously.

Best quotes:

“I do not see myself as sexist. Not in a million years. I have four daughters and I was brought up by a wonderful mother on her own. She’s 91 and is distraught about what happened.”

As proof he explains that the rector of the church in Lower Slaughter in Gloucestershire for his third marriage last month was female. “Veronica (James) was fantastic and we had a lovely Church of England wedding. There you are.”

But on Monday, Keys took to the pair's joint Twitter account – and gave the least patronising of blessings to a certain decision by a certain female assistant referee. The official in question was Massey, and it must have made her little day to discover that her correct offside verdict on Micah Richards's "goal" in the dying seconds of Manchester City's 1-0 defeat by Swansea on Sunday has been given the all-important Keys 'n' Gray stamp of approval. "For the record," tweeted Richard on behalf of the pair, "great call Sian. Delighted for her – as we were a year ago."

As they were a year ago? Forgive me for allowing daylight to intrude on magic, but Richard notoriously greeted the discovery that Sian would be running the line at Molineux with a supportive "the game's gone mad".

Keys ‏@richardajkeys 8h
@CordreyB banter? Nice to know Sky have re instated banter. None of my family are laughing.

Richard Keys ‏@richardajkeys 8h
@Mikeduncan21 I'd love it all explaining. When is banter ok? All of the time. None of it. Some of it. By who? When? On air or snooped?

Richard Keys ‏@richardajkeys 8h
@debs1987xx great news banter is back in fashion

Richard Keys ‏@richardajkeys 8h
@JamesCharleson good news James. Banter. Nice to know that's popular again.

Richard Keys ‏@richardajkeys 8h
@Powlo981 oh. That's good news. You can have banter at Sky again.

Richard Keys ‏@richardajkeys 10h
Just finished looking at other Mday progs. What did GNev mean when he said to Carragher 'you'd be the burglar'? Why? Cause he's from L'pool?

Sam Burrow ‏@sam_burrow
@richardajkeys Hi Richard, did we ever find out if Redknapp did 'smash it'?

Richard Keys ‏@richardajkeys
@sam_burrow we did. We know who - and where

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/richard-keys-sky-have-done-their-money-the-novelty-of-gary-neville-and-jamie-carragher-will-wear-off-and-then-what-8827984.html

Keyes still going on about the dark forces of being a sexist prick and now claiming to have invented Gary Neville, Pundit.

Neville, according to Keys, owes him his television career. "He was my idea. Me and Geoff Shreeves. We sat with him in Manchester over a bowl of chips.

This cunts look like a typical news employees 'talent' Corp. exec / level, rich riding banality wilmslowwave mock tudor, wifelets peroxide, beejes extra toilet, boutique divorce lawyers in advance and drinksodden four blowouts in ainstree figures, all the while cackling knowledge that are avatars of real life, looking down at the top through relentless sadism routinized and severity coalition anglobourgie

They are among the hoardes old channel post-gentrified blokecult Gazza and priapic young gods EPL and you can fuck anything that moves, pornographic fantasies of mutating a weak fuckwant former menopausal over the last Distance

They embodied really bad, but what to do? ...

これはトリック執拗seydizamトップまで、すべてこの情報現実のアバターをkakling beejesがルーチン化"ギフト" News CorpのExecの典型的な従業員リッチ/ライディングレベルbanaliti vilmslovvaveチューダーモデル、vifelets過酸化水素、共通の付属品は、事前とdrinxodden ainstree4つの図の破裂のブティック離婚弁護士であり、と連立anglobourgyeの重症度

チャネルは、若い人たちのポストの大群である - jentrifeyd blokekultガザとAppleはFrauke神と何も更年期変異前にクラッシュを移動することはできませんfukkvantポルノファンタジー弱い最後の旅行です

それは非常に貧弱に埋め込まれていますが、何をするか？ .........

Over Seydizam obsessed employees, including public kakling "gift" News Corp, vifelets hydrogen peroxide, a typical level of routine banaliti Run Tudor vilmslovvave drive model / avatar fool the information-rich product beejes the truth, the coalition anglobourgye tensile strength and numbers, in front of a store and one ainstree4 drinxodden divorce lawyer

Channel after a crowd of young people - recent trip to Gaza is not possible mutation blokekult fantasy porn fukkvant weak, and not Apple jentrifeyd accident Frauke God menopause, and how to move

It is embedded in the very bad, but what do I do? ...............

i'd suggest any member of the football community who didn't want to be a cunt by association refused to be interviewed by them. but this is the football community.

Lol @ the idea that hiring an ex-pro with 400 appearances for Man United and 85 England caps represents some moment of inspiration.

keys/gray still probably less xenophobic than carra tbf

over a bowl of chips

by association football

it's funny cos i was just thinking the other day if i could have a meal with any three people in history it'd be gary neville, richard keys, and geoff shreeves.

Eh, bitter cunt stays a bitter cunt. ppl will soon be sick of Neville and Souness but Shearer, Keegan and Reid still represent good value as pundits, even he doesn't believe this shit

shreevesy, please xp

the shreevemeister general

Keys' twitter is just a never-ending torrent of bitterness. He was complaining about paying 5p for plastic bags last week

Keys and my old man have an awful lot in common

MADRID, Nov 26 (Reuters)
"Sickened to learn of 'fans' racially abusing a Real Betis player," Blatter wrote on his Twitter feed on Tuesday.
"I condemn their actions, which were seen on TV/online by millions," the Swiss added.

Previously unseen video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLD27abHrf0

They are so vile.

the mail are suggesting mackay and the other cunt arent going to be charged

thought the revive might have been for this http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29810908

Cummings may yet appeal over the decision and BBC Sport understands he believes he should receive a more lenient sanction, just as the chairman of the FA's referees committee, David Elleray, did this summer.

Elleray avoided punishment after he told Robert McCarthy, a black non-league referee coaching manager, that he "looked rather tanned" and asked him "have you been down a coal mine?"

that famed harrow badinage

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/nov/01/time-for-rooney-rule-black-managers-at-a-low

Articulate and bright, the Hull defender discourses on everything from Pep Guardiola’s football philosophy to the civil rights movement in the US.

, who is black,

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/nov/19/malky-mackay-appointed-wigan-manager

dave whelan is a suppurating lesion of a person

He is a committed family man with decent values and is a professional who has worked and thrived for over 20 years in the multicultural world of modern football. There is nothing more to say about this subject, and as far as I am concerned we draw a line under it from today.

its gone largely unnoticed that all of the emails about chinks, homos, 'the jew' etc derive from a court ordered search to find documents relating to 'financial irregularities' in several large transfers

He was a shit manager even before he crashed his ability to motivate non-white footballers into the ground. Not really what you want in a Champo relegation dogfight.

How did he not even get charged when Ferdinand, etc, get raked over the coals for minor stuff?

hes still 'under investigation'

said he was a crap manager last time when biddable fools like deems were taking the usual english media line on his firing

GET INVOLVED - will Liverpool win the Premiership 2013/14?

solskjaer was a poor replacement but mackay was doing a crap job and would likely have done the same despite having spent all of the money

Whelan is such a repulsive old bullheaded senile bastard he is probably loving this. Even if the managerial short-list was Steve Kean, Hockaday and some fucking tramp claiming to be Anelka's brother his ability to manage and sign players is fatally compromised and he shouldn't have got the job.

the problem is this lamentable preoccupation with punishment, the line is he has been humiliated so let's leave it at that, which judging by the lack of fuss the media mostly seem to be buying rather than acknowledging that this renders him unsuitable for any role in any industry with a position of trust

"I'm a big man," said the former Scotland international, who arrives with Wigan struggling near the foot of the Championship.

He added: "I would ask people to judge me as they see me.

"I made mistakes but I'm absolutely not racist. I hope going forward the people of Wigan see me as I am."

I personally have had to bear the consequences of stuff I did in the past. I was a betting shop manager with a predilection for gambling and had signed a caution for the theft of a fair few grand after too many degenerate gambling adventures. So a few years later when I was a qualified electrician, this caution for theft would appear on enhanced CRB checks whenever I was working in schools, government buildings etc. I had to carry this shit for over a decade and it caused me what seemed like endless angst for the best part of a decade at various companies. And this worthless piece of shit gets a free pass after a few months and implores supporters of the jumped up re-election recipients to see him as he is x0==

cafc forum, having talked so much sense about ched evans, suffering collective moron outbreak rn, very sad

mackay is a desperate choice & I now wish them relegated ahead of Millwall if not Birmingham

if you accept pro football doesn't really give a fuck about racism, homophobia, misogyny,

and if you accept that no accusations of crooked transfer shenanigans have been proven as yet

this feeb is still a terrible fucken appointment.

almost as if the provocation was the point rather than an unfortunate side effect.

maybe not the point exactly but im sure whelan is delighted in being able to able to fuck off loads of people

he is an awful fucking cunt and i have noted his grotty patrician victorian industrialist mentality here before

one of the reasons i have a residual fondness for mike ashley, apart from his baiting of the nufc fans, is that he gave evidence of the cartel operated by whelan and a few other retailers and since then whelan has nurtured a grudge against him

even criticizing him for wearing a newcastle shirt in the directors box (this from someone who made his fortune selling replica football shirts)

yeah sure the point can't be merely to provoke but then still, the noxiousness coupled with the sheer unnecessariness of the appointment - there must be a dozen out of work mediocrities that kind of got lucky with a shitty club a little bit once - reeks of favours or dodgy money or something

nakh u shd bump the 'pards' thread w/ a short piece on ashley (lol I typed 'shirt' there)

dont worry the pards thread will be kept alive

that threads got a long way to go yet and your good work will not have been in vain

whelan says he has a clause allowing him to fire him if he is found guilty of misconduct by the fa although presumably he has wagered that the fa will either do nothing (as the mail have intimated) or fuck all

Ought Mackay to have rendered himself permanently unemployable through his charmless interchanges with his former head of recruitment Iain Moody, or should the game allow him a route back if he shows contrition and promises to behave better in the future?

The danger here is that many are depicting Mackay as some sort of sex offender, if not a mass murderer. His crime was being busted by a vengeful former employer for a handful of texts that were undeniably much worse than the “friendly banter” the League Managers Association foolishly suggested.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/nov/19/malky-mackay-deserves-fair-hearing-wigan-management-return-dave-whelan

"The new Wigan manager’s brief will simply be to keep the team out of Division One. One way or the other, it may be a while before Mackay finds himself back in the Premier League, so no one can say he is not paying for his mistakes already."

He only ever managed in the EPL for a short period so how is getting a job at the level he has worked at for 90 odd percent of his career "paying for his mistakes"? It is a long time since I accepted The Graun is morally bankrupt, but this fucking Fantastic Voyage style colonic irrigation up Whelan's arse is even distasteful by their current paltry standards.

Richard Keys @richardajkeys

Brave Dave Whelan. I hope it works out for everybody. Malky is a good football man. There's always 2 sides to every story.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10407616_10152507985832671_9197037767772048609_n.jpg?oh=68e05c69711851fe402546005fcc16be&oe=54E5F0D6&__gda__=1424046211_ee573fdd203059aa7dda99ff9eb34805

Lisa Nandy, a Wigan MP, had written to Whelan last week to urge the club not to appoint Mackay. Whelan said: “I have invited our MP, the lady, to any football match she wishes to come to. If she will, I’ll introduce her to Malky. She’s not a Wigan lass so she doesn’t understand football. But we can try and give her some help.”

"I have taken on an educational programme in terms of diversity that will be ongoing."

Everything about that sentence reeks of intellectual insecurity. He thinks saying "I'm doing a diversity course" is too simple a sentence for the forward-thinking leader-of-men next-gen tactical manager he thinks he is.

Lol! I guess Wigan must have suddenly become a famous football heartland since they got into the Prem.

Only a couple of weeks ago Whelan was trotting out his usual spiel on a 5live report on the Rooney Rule and repeatedly in the interview he referred to "coloured players" unchallenged by the interviewer, afterwards there was a glib “which some listeners may have found offensive” type apology.

Lisa Nandy was born in Manchester.

Local MP Lisa Nandy says she has been assured Malky Mackay's appointment as Wigan manager is 'consistent with the club's values'.

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Dave Whelan has been accused of antisemitism after the Wigan Athletic owner told the Guardian he believes that “Jewish people chase money more than everybody else”.

A Chinese community leader, Jenny Wong, also said Whelan was condoning racism by saying it is “nothing” to call a Chinese person a “chink”.

The comments came on the same day that one of Wigan’s shirt sponsors, the kitchen appliances firm Premier Range, announced it was ending its agreement with the club, describing its position as “untenable”.

Whelan was explaining his appointment on Wednesday of Malky Mackay as Wigan’s manager, despite Mackay being currently under investigation by the Football Association for alleged racism and antisemitism over his email and text exchanges while in charge of Cardiff City with the club’s former head of recruitment Iain Moody.

The three texts or emails Mackay had sent, Whelan said, included one describing the Cardiff City owner, Malaysian Vincent Tan, as a “chink”. In another, Mackay referred to the Jewish football agent, Phil Smith, saying: “Nothing like a Jew that sees money slipping through his fingers.”

Whelan said he saw neither as offensive, nor did he consider offensive the other text for which he said Mackay was responsible, which referred to there being “enough dogs in Cardiff for us all to go round”, when Mackay signed the South Korean international Kim Bo-kyung.

Whelan said he does not believe the reference to Smith is offensive, first explaining that he believed Mackay was only reflecting that Jewish people “love money” like everybody does: “The Jews don’t like losing money. Nobody likes losing money,” Whelan told the Guardian.

Asked whether he did not think what Mackay said was offensive, because the claim that Jews “love money” has been used as a negative stereotype, Whelan said: “Do you think Jewish people chase money a little bit more than we do? I think they are very shrewd people.” Asked if he himself believed that, Whelan, the multimillionaire former owner of JJB Sports, said yes: “I think Jewish people do chase money more than everybody else. I don’t think that’s offensive at all.”

Whelan said he did not think there was “a lot wrong” with anything Mackay said, and there was no malice or disrespect in the statement about Smith. He added: “It’s telling the truth. Jewish people love money, English people love money; we all love money.”

I feel like there's either some shit-hot Wigan PR manager whose last day in the office was a week ago or there's a completely inept one punching his desk right now.

“If any Englishman said he has never called a Chinaman a chink he is lying,” Whelan said. “There is nothing bad about doing that. It is like calling the British Brits, or the Irish paddies.”

this is hilarious

Would be interested to know what Wigan under-21 captain 周定洋 made of that.

FA to rule on Whelan by next week

The FA will decide by Monday if the Wigan owner's recent comments amount to discriminatory language

I can see how it would take a fortnight to decide of course it fucking is.

His grandson, David Sharpe, was added to the club’s board on Christmas Eve and the common suspicion is that he will take over as chairman in the next year or so. Yet Sharpe is in his early 20s and it isn’t easy to understand what qualifies him for the position other than having a wealthy granddad. Sharpe was initially in charge of the family restaurant, Sharpy’s, outside Wigan’s ground before it was boarded up last year because of a lack of customers, costing Whelan £1.3m in the process. For Wigan it could be a long way back.

http://www.wigantoday.net/news/local/pilfering-fish-bar-manager-jailed-1-6421973

“But when homophobic abuse is targeted at one individual, it is horrendous... Calling him gay when he wasn’t. My stomach is really churning now.”

He said he has since apologised to Elliot.

Carlisle also admitted that a female physio with the team was routinely “objectified” while he played with the side.

@richardajkeys
I know you like accuracy @ColinMurray. Been doing some checking. 3500 workers on 5 stadia sites 6 million hrs worked - no fatalities.
2:57 PM - 29 May 2015

@andymild1979
@richardajkeys @ColinMurray hmmmm, really? how did you find these facts out?

Richard Keys @richardajkeys
@andymild1979 Its called accurate research. Making a lot of noise doesn't win you an argument.

@KewRose
@richardajkeys @ColinMurray I lived in the middle east like you and deep down you surely know the truth. Statistics from where??

Richard Keys @richardajkeys
@KewRose Accurate statistics from people who have to keep record of these things.

@RobGilbz
@richardajkeys @ColinMurray Glad you've cleared that up. Can you let us know about Gay rights now?

Richard Keys @richardajkeys
@RobGilbz What do you need to know? I have never witnessed a problem. There's plenty of diversity here. I know. I live here.

Accurate statistics from people who have to keep record of these things.

'Unbelievable. Whatever happened to loyalty and 'in it together'?' Keys says. 'Pascoe is his mate for goodness sake. It's cheap. Shabby. Rodgers should've walked and gone with some dignity.

'When Sky sacked my buddy Andy Gray there was only one thing on my mind 'I'm out too'. I slipped out of the back garden, across fields and into a nearby nursery, run by a very good friend of mine. I still chuckle Jamie.....! I was in a car and off to Heathrow leaving the clowns besieging my house well behind.'

charlton athletic forum women's world cup thread has kept the spirit alive

delightful acquittal celebration and subsequent hope-the-slag-rots across every football forum in the land today

aye, it's really depressing when you're happy that the forum you're looking at is split roughly 50/50 and this feels like the best you can hope for

glad he's not as well known across ILX as Michael Gira

the thing that really got me about the whole affair was that the other guy mcdonald was never charged with anything, despite being arguably responsible for what happened

the whole case is a total shit show, the dog whistle testimony about her sexual history - admitted in part because allegedly she used the same phrase in another sexual encounter that ched and co. say she used - probably the most wtf and worrying thing - there than the verdict and the gleeful reaction

oh yeah and the reward offered for testimony by ched evans' father in law.

yeah seriously, the testimony of someone who had sex with her a few weeks later = what the fuck is our legal system

but lj surely if she were raped she would never have sex again?

and surely she'd be able to give the same level of consent on one drunken night with one man as on another drunken night when one man decided to introduce another man to proceedings halfway through

This was such an important case and this verdict is just bullshit in every way.

Charlton's forum is like 80% on the right side of this, tbf. Wonder if, say, Leeds' is

I can't even click on mine, probs about 60% of them in the string up all crims (apart from rapists) brigade.

It doesn't surprise me that grim neanderthal Chris Turner is "delighted" with this result. Well done to the court for emboldening a rapist and setting a fucked up precedent of victim harassment that will embolden many other rapists for years to come.

Sometimes it seems wherever you look in this country at the moment there is no light, just creeping malevolence everywhere. It's too fucking depressing.