7.30pm GMT Wednesday 29th Ferbruary 2012: ILF comes together and watches the 1978 World Cup Final - Argentina v. Holland

Argentina, the host, have made it this far by coming second in a tough 1st Round group with Italy, France and Hungrary and then first in 2nd Round group beating out Brazil, Poland and Peru. Their star man so far has undoubtably been Mario Kempes, Al.

In a similar performance, the footballing team we are all rooting for from the Netherlands came second in their 1st group against Peru, Scotland and Iran. We thought they were underperforming, didn't we Al? We said they need to have it up 'em more. But then they surprised us totally coming first in the second round beating out a much tougher group of West Germany, Italy and Austria. All the more incredible they made it to the final without tailisman Cryuff, but Rep and Resenbrink are on the top of their game, Gary.

Tonight saw Brazil beat Italy for third place and tomorrow we will provide links to the game at 7.30pm.

watchin the ireland game

but they aren't even at this world cup, it'll just be some meaningless friendly

think I'm gonna be at work during this

Get these guys, too big for a world cup final. I'm in.

I would genuinely love to do this, but the idea of being allowed to hog the computer for two hours to watch a game nearly as old as myself might lead to divorce (I get away with a lot for current games, but this might be considered somewhat taking the piss). Can we schedule the next one for a time when I have the house to myself?

or when there's no football on just sayin sheesh

friendlies arent football, come on

international friendlies are like the opposite of football.

soz, off to see jonathan richman. i'll see what i can do about offering timely contributions while not actually watching.

perhaps one of the less masculine excuse for missing the footie available.

I'm well up for this tonight. Seeing the similarities and differences between old football and new football is always fascinating. And England friendlies are soul-destroying.

cannot take part in this due to time difference reasons, but i will gladly read your musings about this game during my first hour at work tomorrow.

international england friendlies are like the opposite of football.

imo.

I would gladly do this but i won't be home til about 9 this evening.

I've a feeling it'll still be up for grabs by then

Argentina

GK 5 Ubaldo Fillol
RB 15 Jorge Olguín
CB 7 Luis Galván
CB 19 Daniel Passarella (c)
LB 20 Alberto Tarantini
DM 6 Américo Gallego
CM 2 Osvaldo Ardiles
AM 10 Mario Kempes
RW 4 Daniel Bertoni
CF 14 Leopoldo Luque
LW 16 Oscar Alberto Ortiz

Netherlands

GK 8 Jan Jongbloed
SW 5 Ruud Krol
RB 6 Wim Jansen
CB 22 Ernie Brandts
LB 2 Jan Poortvliet
RM 13 Johan Neeskens
CM 9 Arie Haan
LM 11 Willy van de Kerkhof
RF 10 René van de Kerkhof
CF 16 Johnny Rep
LF 12 Rob Rensenbrink

This Ardiles guy's supposed to be good, wonder how he'd fare in the EPL?

Bloodseedz isn't showing it. Anyone got links?

He might struggle having it up 'em. This Neeskens kid also looks quite tasty, from the continent.

Pre-match including Cryuff and Jack Charlton

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdJvx51XG2A&feature=related

Wearing a plaster? What a jessy.

Sounds like Hoddle in there too? Or Keegan. I get them confused in my minds.

Plz only watch that clip up to 8.44 (kick off) while I collect the rest of the game.

Sounds like keegan to me

I guess, yeah. In my brain they are melded as one (for good reason, they succeeded each other as England manager, that song, both have great overseas careers i mix up etc.)

Y'all watching the pre-match ramble? I'm hoping for kick-off at 7.30 and will post the vids at like 7.28

Clough's there too. I'll miss the first few mins but it's okay, it's not like it's 1974.

Parts 1-4/14

Kick off starts at 8.40ish in the first youtube clip. Lets hope for a classic. Forza Holland! Or the Dutch equivilant of Forza Holland.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdJvx51XG2A&feature=player_embedded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sJV1ytFv8w&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXPMvZT2afU&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx4gBNJDoZY&feature=related

Ooof! 30 seconds in, we have already had a couple STRONG challanges.

I am at work but will try to at least listen 10 minutes behind everyone else so I can tune in at key moments. Love this idea though!

Oof yeah haha! Tasty first ninety seconds!

Dutch snapping at heels early doors, referee stamping his authority.

Some nice tricky dribbling from Olguin, I think. Keep thinking 'Higuain?' when they say his name.

OOF Rep really close with a header there.

things you don't hear in modern football pt. 1: jack charlton saying "they are playing the normal way, with the sweeper"

pt. 2 the other commentator "started on his first pack of cigarrettes and the manager usually gets through four a game. no wonder he says the game is killing him."

Hopefully one day they stop keepers from picking up back passes - too easy for defenders to get out of trouble.

goalkeeper wearing #8 wtf

my stream's a couple of minutes behind, just got to that great headed chance

and the argentine keeper wearing #5. lol foreigners amirite

Ardilles already causing Holland trouble. If that offside trap and high line is not perfect just one time they are gonna be fucked.

I've hit part 3 so I'm going to post these in prep:

Parts 5-8/14

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27MMx1vMMeo&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr-b4jUJIBM&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0_4K5yeIYc&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeWLyEnnW6k&feature=related

The pitch is a mess. Who gave the fans all that toilet roll to throw?

Kempes been quiet so far. And he just miskicked it out for a throw. Hype schmype.

oof that was nasty by ruud krul. one day they need to stamp these tackles out, instead of just giving a yellow.

Rush of blood by the keeper, lucky to get away with that.

ha, just got to that chance through on goal that the goalie picked up after a passback. So odd seeing something that I've been conditioned to think of being a chance but actually being easy enough to defend against.

Anyone else kinda thinking that Holland are playing more long ball than Argentina, who are treating Ardilles as a playmaker they should crowd around?

Surprised at this tbh, considering their rep, no pun intended.

GOAL! Shocking defending, cracking finish!

Ooh, huge chance for Passarella. Cool-looking fella he is.

oh shit wait, dunno why i thought that was a goal. bad commentating.

Always blame the commentating.

Haha!

Amazing save off Rep

Ooof that was some save by the Argentina keeper! Rep cunted that, unmarked.

Lol at Neeskens trying to score with a header from outside the box

24 minutes in and that Rep header aside I think Argentina have been by far the most threatening team without too many clear chances (oof Passarella volley just as I say that). Ardiles is such an intelligent player, both in finding space and using the ball.

lol neeskens you are not going to score a header from outside the box.

xpost

Such outrage at that offside call!

I can't tell how much is BAD defending by Holland and how much is just Ardilles and Bertoni manipulating them. Reminds me of a team much closer to home in a 'defenders in a team built around attacking' kinda way.

lol HOW was that offside though?

Argentina playing a risky game too, almost villasboasian in its high line.

I guess it is a total football thing but Holland look like they are in a different shape every time the whistle goes.

OTM on the high line, but at least they are organised.

Kempes not for the first time wasting a good run by not lifting his head

love a looping header that looks like it is going in from nowhere.

who is argentina's left winger? he looks p tasty.

goal! brilliantly worked

just as i was giving Kempes a hard time

GOALLLL - Kempes finally does something!

Beautiful control by Kempes, more sloppy defending/goalkeeping.

Holland have 3 people at a kick off?

Disgusting handball there, big Jack rightly outraged

In England atm, shame I missed this tbh

It's not over yet

lol how is that handball not a booking?

lmao unpunished argentine handballs, amirite

someone'll have to sort this out after this world cup at least so it doesn't happen again

Huge chance again for Passarella

Even huger chance for Rensenbrink!

In the FIRST HALF, Holland just had SEVEN players lining the opposition box waiting for a cross, and then they looked confused when Argentina counter attacked. WTF you can take attacking ideals too far. It is the World Cup Final ffs, sort out your priorities.

lol at hoy

ref's a homer tbh

Half time. That was absolutely amazing, SO much going on - I feel bad posting and missing stuff.

Aw man you must be about 30 seconds ahead of me. Pass was unmarked again! This is shocking defending.

And then the keeper keeps it off the line for Argentina! Rep is the only player trying for Holland.

are we breaking for ht?

oh shit Ardilles down? He better make it to the second half, he was the STAR so far. Someone really needs to snap him up, as Ismael already said.

HT.

players straight back out, no fucking around

I'm going to take 5 mins' break. The pace of this.

Damn though, I was looking fwd to Clough vs Cruyff.

Gonna post these last clips now and try for the quickest HT shower. Meet back at 8.30?

Parts 9-14/14

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjXcaoY_B3k&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8smOm9JlHlY&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRoxlswGZK8&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-R44lvqHuEY&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwrhRtOIgiU&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncnU4pWgo6g&feature=related

Grand, I've got just enough time to put on 'Fool In The Rain'

finished part 6 - another good chance for Holland who could have scored 3 despite Argentina dominating. not sure i'll get to see all of the second half

Man, Bonham's drumming on this

So second half from about 6.30 on?? Or from part 7 on at least?

Unfortunatly, they don't seem to have kept the half-time studio analysis, so cryuff cs clough doesn't seem to be saved for posterity.

Terrific end-to-end game, neither side giving a toass about defending, both teams putting the boot in, and both teams (esp. argentina) playing great football when they get away from their defenders.

2nd half just started I'm on 9:00 on pt 6

Big Pass at the end of part 6 looking as sloppy as a Dutch defender. Backpasses arethe worst.

second half starts in part 6, i'm waiting to start pt 7 when yous get there

I'm about a minute behind you NotEnough

just started part 7. tbh this is no different from a normal saturday, between dodgy streams, people watching legit on tv and xposts.

Started part VII now

better game though xp

I wonder how England are getting on?

I don't really

what happened to Kempes? they decided to go with the '10 Kempes' graphic instead of a replay. It's an either/or world we live in, in 1978.

First time I've seen Kempes' face. I was imagining it might be Jim Morrison in there.

xp Got a boot in the face, looked accidental.

love the advertising hoardings - BOOZE --- BOOZE --- BOOZE --- mixer --- BOOZE --- Phillips --- BOOZE --- BOOZE

holy shit that fake-out, turn and run by Luque. He has been the second best player so far. (this happened like 5 minutes ago, damn xposts).

Did Ardilles even come out in this half? I haven't heard his name once. I guess any smarts for Holland would mean he's been marked by 3 players at all time.

Luque! So close! Should be 2-0.

Had to finish that

luque kind of shat it there eh

Oh Ardilles is looking better. lol at Jack Charlton - he's p harsh on this winning Argentina team isn't he?

DICK NANNINGA A BIG JOE JORDAN TYPE OF FELLA

otm re Luque, I was thinking it must be great keeping but I don't actually think he got there

mistake to sub Rep imo

Nanninga, a flowershop owner - HE'S NO DAISY WHEN IT COMES TO JUMPING

Hold on, Tarantini doesn't have a club?!

0-party ownership

tarantini a free agent huh? can't be many players to make a world cup final without playing for anyone.

A BIG ANDY CARROLL TYPE OF PLAYER more like

A few months before the 1978 FIFA World Cup, he had a contractual dispute with Boca that left him clubless, as Boca management pressured all Argentine clubs into denying him a new contract.

Andy Carroll aged minus 11

lol xpost.

they bring on DICK NANNINGA A BIG JOE JORDAN TYPE OF FELLA and play him wide wtf holland i have not got your tactics all game. and their passing is shit too. yeah i am saying it: total footbal is a bit shit here.

oh he has started moving infield

and lol diving shit now

offside against player coming back wtf

love the substitute boards

Big Jack's defo got money on the Dutch

Holland doing well now, in control but not creating chances

ref letting a lot go

Not a bad advantage there I thought, but you kind of deserve a second go for that

Part XI

"advantage you could give but surely not that much" wtf

Gonna post these again

http://www.youtube.com/v/CjXcaoY_B3k&feature=related&fs=1&hl=en
http://www.youtube.com/v/8smOm9JlHlY&feature=related&fs=1&hl=en
http://www.youtube.com/v/BRoxlswGZK8&feature=related&fs=1&hl=en
http://www.youtube.com/v/-R44lvqHuEY&feature=related&fs=1&hl=en
http://www.youtube.com/v/gwrhRtOIgiU&feature=related&fs=1&hl=en
http://www.youtube.com/v/ncnU4pWgo6g&feature=related&fs=1&hl=en

Part IX shrly?

uh ... Part 9, yes

serves me right

that is 9-14(end) btw

fuckin spoiler in the part X preview screen

in between trying to find those again, did i miss ardilles going off?

The backpass rule doesn't matter when the game's played like this imo

Ardiles went off about seven mins ago

Rotten foul on Neeskens, and he's the one being questioned!

Dutch have moved into a 3-2-5 sorta formation, really going for this. They could get destroyed on the break if they aren't careful.

holy shit yeah that looked nasty!

Rosenbrink may be joint top goalscorer but he has been rubbish so far. Rep has been the only Dutch player I am impressed with.

Clash of heads imo. Not in Big Jack's o.

And the Dutch keeper too, I guess, has made some fine saves. Only 2 subs allowed?

This lino was born just to piss off Big Jacky.

Part 10

Just spoken to my father, 0-0 and boring as shite in the England friendly.

Equaliser! Andy Carroll!

1-1 the first time the dutch have got round the back this half xp

Awful sliced clearance by Tarantini. No-one'll sign him now.

good ball out wide, Argentina all over the place running out for offside, great header from the Dutch Big.

Aw fucking hell Argentina, way too many passes back and forth in the box when ANY shot would have made this 2-0!

Joe Jordan! It has been coming! Nice move, Argentina have to be kicking themselves though.

Considering he hasn't done shit all night, it is odd they are trying to KILL Neeskens. Argentina losing all the goodwill they built up in the first half now.

Neeskens is getting some rough treatment here, and that's just from the medics.

It's taken a long time for the bad behaviour to start really

Not missing Ardilles or Cryuff though, still a great game without either of them. (Hope one of them comes to North London though, we could do with their creativity atm.)

Kempes's face looks like a bad vampire mask.

wtf Jack 'can't see anyone breaking though, both have settled for the draw', as end-to-end rages beneath him

part 11

Think I'm gonna have to miss part 14 if I want to get to work on time.

Post! Would've been an awful winning goal tbf.

A whole minute's injury time!

"The whole Dutch pattern changes from minute to minute" Big Jack OTM. I can tell that Krul is at the back and then there are 9 attacking midfielders.

lol at this Cruyff inset

Argentina are typically Italian according to Cloughie

Keegan! If only they'd kept the half time punditry.

Pat Crerand? How did he wangle onto this panel?

Ended 1-1 at 90 minutes. Talking to an angelic corner Cryuff/Clough!

Keegan looking a right ruffian compared. Clough bringing it with the analysis.

Pat Crerand? How did he wangle onto this panel?

― Ismael Klata, Wednesday, 29 February 2012 21:21 (16 seconds ago)

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I forget Big Jack's a recent world cup winner, I've been wondering about his presence too.

dude's still rolling

loooool

jeezo that foul and subsequent rolling and rolling and rolling and rolling

TICKETS FOR A REPLAY?

this is still pre-penalties huh?

Oof, awful foul, no wonder darragh hasn't shown.

quality professional foul on Kempes - tired legs playing a part i think

Guy's playing without shinpads too

this has just become some thug shit

god knows what cryuff was on about when he said the holland 2010 team wasn't in the total football dutch spirit

Insane foul by Larossa now

Outrageously cynical on Kempes

lol at Jack's reaction

ref no longer a homer tbh

level was offside in 1978, I'm only just realising

this has just become some thug shit

god knows what cryuff was on about when he said the holland 2010 team wasn't in the total football dutch spirit

i think knowing what you can get away with is key

GOAL!

<3 Kempes

touch of class!

part 13

Ah, that's brilliant from Kempes

Glenda Jackson's 'Touch of Class' delayed but I'm sure you'll agree that was a 'touch of class' from Kempes amirite

this stuff writes itself

There's no hanging about, is there?!

Ach, some shameful shit at last from Larrosa

great save!

How big is the corner quadrant?!

1 yard radius

There we are, Kempes' doing again

Magical. Game over.

Holland went to bits a while ago

Luque is such a fanny

Beautiful showboating from Kempes, what a player

All over. Fantastic game, great choice NotEnough.

http://www.icons.com/images/products/passarella_world_cup_photo_big.jpg

sorry to have missed this, looks like it was fun. didn't even play my part by ripping the pish out of the losing holland fans i saw on the bus home, either.

Passarella straight entered my Favourite Players list after last night.

Ardilles was fucking killer. Xavi must have studied his tapes.

Total football looks like a shitty myth, on the back of 1 game from a whole decade of it. I guess I need to see something with some actual Johan.

I think CLASSIC GAMES ON ILF #1 was pretty successful though? I think we learnt some stuff from it - maybe publicise it more the week before hand, find out about footage's kick offs/half times etc., try to get Clough involved some how...

It was great. What a game to kick off with though, we'll be doing well to match that.

I was really surprised how fast it was, not so much in terms of circulating the ball as in the players just being keen to get on with things. Goalies trying really hard to get play moving fast even when they didn't need to and were being crowded out; only two injury breaks and they were both due to guys getting properly poleaxed; very little timewasting as such until the very end; etc. I was expecting the opposite.

3-1 was about right on balance of play. probably safest for all concerned that it didn't go to penalties.

Last night was great, we should do this more often. Nominating someone as timekeeper to call out the youtube parts was a good idea, that needs to happen in the future. Tho maybe do it on a day when there isn't any ACTUAL football on? Seems like folks were frontin' on not caring about international friendlies.

pffft last night was not actual football

I know this, you know this, but maybe not everyone is as enlightened regarding meaningless friendlies as you and I.

this thread has me wondering how hard it would be to make a watching room with chatz - like outloud with youtubes instead of music

that's a great idea. business plan!

(will we do this again? i'd like to join in)

I think everyone who joined in yesterday really enjoyed it and we are totally up for doing it again. Any watches you think are worth watching, feel free to bring them up in Suggestions for classic matches to find/watch in downtimes.

omino plz make that

I've just checked this out, and it looks like it can be done through tinychat.com. They've even got a built in youtube streaming bit so it's easy to set up a playlist of sorts. Looks promising!

DOes this work? I think I'm streaming yesterday's game
http://tinychat.com/4pn3q

it came up with a screen saying 'connect via [twttier/fb/something else i cant remember]' and i clicked one [the youtube was playing in the background] and it spent ages saying 'connecting to fb' and never did.

Try connecting just as a guest. It should ask you for a screenname.

i got in as guest

hmmm, that one's not quite up to snuff

close though.

i gave this a watch last night. thought it was interesting to contrast Haan and Ardiles who I guess were the main playmakers. Ardlies looked class but faded pretty early on. In the second half Haan was everywhere, had a couple of sweet long range shots iirc and did plenty of tackling back. Kempes was MOTM but Haan was probably second for me. Olguin wasn't far behind either.

We should do this again some time. Yesterday would have been a perfect time, I was really in the mood to watch something and Roma-Genoa didn't interest me enough as seemingly the only game on in Europe.

nah ms mac was around

http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=984554

man these russian t0rrent dudes are fucking crazy i had no idea

Russian Championship 1997, 34th round, Rotor (Volgograd) - Spartak (Moscow) [1997, football, TVRip]

^ see this is what oldskool ilf should be about

Olympic Games 1996. Final. Nigeria - Argentina [TVRip]
Friendly match. Russia - Sweden [08/20/2002 city, Football, VHSRip]
UEFA Cup 1999/2000. Final. Galatasaray (Istanbul, Turkey) - Arsenal (London, England) [2000, Football, TVRip]
Friendly match in 1996 - Brazil x Poland [1996, Football, VHSRip]
Kirin Cup 1987 / Final / Fluminense - Torino [1987, football, TVRip]
America's Cup 1999. Final. Brazil - Uruguay [1999, football, VHSRip]
FA Cup 2011-2012 / 1/8 / Norwich City - Leicester City / Sport 1 HD [2012., AVC, RU, 2011-12
England / The Championship / Round 25 / Crystal Palace - Leeds [2012, football, WebRip] HDTV]
UEFA Cup 1990-1991. 1/8 finals. The second match. Monaco (Franz Ia)-Torpedo ( USSR) grayscale [1990, football, TVRip]
From the archive "remains but ". The "Goal" with Vladimir Pereturinym 1994 [1994, Football, SATRip]

amazing

grayscale (1990

good lord

I would quite fancy watching that '96 Olympic Final. Crespo! Babayaro!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3VaTHakQAM

as it so happens!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciSRHZAj-1k

collina reffing too if there wasnt already enough star power on the pitch

France - Brésil, 1/4 de finale Mexico '86

UEFA Cup 1992: Torino x Ajax - 1º Tempo

1957 FA CUP FINAL MANCHESTER UNITED VS ASTON VILLA - THE FULL MATCH

RARE 1963 European Cup Final: AC Milan - SL Benfica (italian) - Full game

Partido AC Milan 5 Real Madrid 0 Copa Europa 1989

Spanish League 1997-98: Real Madrid x Barcelona

Barcelona Vs PSG- 14/5/1997 UEFA Cup Winners' Cup Final

Milan - Juventus 0 - 1 (1989 - 90 Final) Full Game

Napoli Milan 4-1, serie A 1988-89, full match.

Napoli - Juventus, supercoppa italiana 1990

juv - nap 3-5, 1988-89

Jugoslavija-Brazil cela utakmica-svetsko prvenstvo 1974

Spain vs Yugoslavia 1:2 - Cela utakmica - World Cup Italia 1990.

Susret generacija 1991. - 2001. (cela utakmica)

Argentina 0 Yugoslavia 0 Mundial Italia 90 (Penales )

Kvalifikacije za Euro 1984. - Jugoslavija - Bugarska

Hrvatska - Jugoslavija 2:2 - Hrvatski komentator - Cela utakmica - 09.10.1999.

Crvena Zvezda - Real Madrid 4:2 - Cela utakmica - 1986/87

Yugoslavia vs Zaire 9:0, Cela utakmica - 18.06.1974.

Portugal Vs Netherlands- 25/6/2006 Round of 16

hurrah, a classic

r|t|c you have just made my day off a whole lot sweeter! Many thanks :-)

OMG I'd forgotten about Ariel Ortega!

http://www.youtube.com/user/2africa012

gulp

Not impressed with collina giving a pen for an ortega dive!! Great pen from crespo mind you.

wall-to-wall football doesn't sound like a pandemic day off

lol

tried to compile some full domestic matches but lost the will to live after a while

1993 Evening Standard London 5-a-sides

probably give this a watch later tho