How long will Rodgers last at Liverpool (assuming he goes there)?

see out his contract +. He'll go to a bigger club before he gets fired.

small club mentality, this poll

agreed pandemic

There'll be no bigger club once our Bren gets going.

i was very pro-hodgson so i think i'll just abstain this time

i'm still pro-hodgson

Is Sky still making that documentary following liverpool around in the pre-season? Cos that show suddenly got way more interesting.

i'm still pro-hodgson

hope the buffoon gets a go at spurs someday.

anyway bren will be at liverpool for a long time since obv when he wins the league next year they can't sack him.

Hodgson was kind of in the eye of the storm moment for Liverpool (chiefly boardroom/financial farce) but Rogers has the edge over him in so many areas. Chiefly identifying talent (Hodgson's Fulham team was great but there was basically zero imagination in his signings). And he has the edge over Dalglish in being able to organise a midfield and defence very well.

Depends on the signings he makes I suppose? I can't see him wasting Kenny levels of money but the possibility remains of him signing a load of rough diamond types for a bargain who can't quite assimilate quickly enough.

Even if he wasn't able to sign anyone, a decent coach should do better than they did this year.

Stating the obvious maybe but Stevie G really does not strike me as a Brendan Rogers kind of player at all.

Might finally sign some decent wingers through.

That's the biggest immediate challenge, the way I see it. Whoever he'd been covering a couple of weeks ago, he'll now have a budget for entirely different players. Does he stick with those targets or quickly try to find new ones?

Stevie G has been crap for 3 seasons now. Like really crap. He was brilliant in 2008/2009 but he has been nothing but SHIT since, it's not even his style of play, he just no longer does anything whatsoever.

I wonder what sort of result you'd get if you just stuck most of the Swansea midfield in front of Lucas and then signed a proper finisher.

Maxi - Henderson - Lucas - Aquilani - Cole

that'd be worth a try, if they could all be got fit and in one place

Feb 2014

sterling seems like a brendan kind of player as well

i guess the possible argument against him would be that at swansea he was building on perfect foundations post-martinez but he couldnt get it going quick enough on reading's baser earth. swansea rather hit the wall toward the end of last season as well, but you could put that down to personnel limitations i suppose - the dos santos rumour showed that he correctly saw where the problem was at least.

a good manager and a good gamble on the whole imo though. transfer record is pretty impeccable as well, don't forget spotting fabio borini from chelsea's reserves last season who's now in the italy squad

voted other. i can see him doing p well for 2 or 3 seasons, getting liverpool back into the top 5 or 6 and then them going for a bigger, more expensive name to make the push back to where they 'should' be. plus liverpool aren't exactly known for rash decisions when it comes to managers - of the past four, you could possibly argue all of them were held on to for too long - so i think he'll be given some leeway when the likes of carroll and carragher don't fit his thinking.

of the past four, how long did fsg hold on to each of them?

I suppose on one view Hodgson *was* kept on too long, but you can't exactly hand out loyalty points for that one.

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mucho congrats in advance to liverpool, for in each of the last four seasons qpr have played the champions last game

(except that season where it was us of course...)

bump

nahhhhh

i think ppl can appreciate that he's still dealing with the financial hangover and poor buying policies of the rafa era

rafa era

He'll last a while, there's no expectation at Liverpool this season, even the board aren't expecting a top four finish. Unless they hit relegation type form, which is highly unlikely, he'll last out the season.

yeah

They have hit relegation type form

He's not really spent that much money either, boards tend to be kinder to managers who don't spunk tens of millions up the wall on shite.

They have hit relegation type form

Depends where they are after another four or five games.

relegation form if 2/3 of the league was as good as city and arsenal

Yes, because when you get rid of those two games we're left with the dazzling display against West Brom

awesome logic

not looking forward to the amount of 'crisis' shite if either team loses this game without scoring

― Unlike humans, dogs don't talk shit (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Sunday, September 2, 2012 12:02 PM (4 hours ago)

I thought Liverpool were excellent vs City, should've won that.

It's too early to talk about crises. Other than Chelsea, Swansea and West Brom no one's having a great start to the season.

If you factor in the way Liverpool finished last season, they're on a terrible fucking run of form but Rogers can hardly be blamed for all that.

poor buying policies of the rafa era

so hard not to bite.

ennui from the bad vibes rafa era still resonates.

Point to Villa, Liverpool slip into the relegation zone, crisis!

not too concerned right now. swap gerrard with shelvey, move suarez out wide, put, er, somebody up front, give agger the armband, 6th place thank you very much.

Mickey Owen tomorrow then?

or pongolle

Drogba maybe? To create the cuntiest forward line in history..

This demeans you nbs.

Owen's a terrible option tbh but they really do need somebody. How about Drogba? Eh?

Should've held on to Bellamy, he's not even on a Mansour-level salary any more, is he?

Bellamy wanted to go back to Cardiff to be with his family.

greater love hath no man

Where was your seat, IK?

Apparently we are actually talking to Owen. Wow.

Top of the Centenary Stand, at the other end from the Kop. Pretty good actually, a decent amount of singing at first; then a decent amount of despair once reality dawned.

And my dad was loving Gilesy's podcast btw. He also gave out an uninhibited cheer when Podolski scored, which is some top dad behaviour I feel.

This demeans you nbs
;-)

If Drogba suddenly becomes a free agent there's going to be a massive fucking bunfight over him and I don't like Liverpool's chances of winning it.

good

They have hit relegation type form

they've played three games!

World's gone mad, LocalGarda. Kids aren't even back at school.

Yeah Drogba's next move = PSG or Anzhi or LA Galaxy or somewhere in Qatar.

World's gone mad, LocalGarda. Kids aren't even back at school.

instant success, that's what today's fans demand. ruddy nonsense!

drogba to spurs pls

Avb and rodgers prob need a few years each to get their stamp on the club. And that's me sayin it.

But a large part of the job is managing for current results too. The biggest part of the job. Otherwise let them apply for director of football jobs above a head coach. Lyfe.

i agree with that. but three games is definitely very early days.

yeah. Rodgers moreso than avb hasnt much to deal with ito what he can change, tbf.

It didn't sound like AVB had much say in which players got bought / sold in the transfer window. Rodgers may have a restricted budget but he was picking his own targets. I'd be concerned about the relationships both have with their respective chairmen atm, as much as anything.

AVB may not have had full autonomy but he would have at least been consulted on targets, I know he was with Adebayor.

After the Jol/Comolli days I doubt Levy is stupid enough to spend more cash on players the manager doesn't want and has no real intention of playing.

There were reports at the weekend that AVB's targets were Willian and Moutinho and that he was handed Vertonghen, Dembele, Deuce and Lloris as done deals, but i don't know how much weight to give to that.

all that aside, he's still mandated to pick an xi to win. Gallas and a lone defoe are near-trollish decisions regardless of who his long-term targets are. I'd have more sympathy and patience with rodgers, who's not really left with much to work with

Did someone say crisis?

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'Billy' Shankly?

This letter is now being spun as 'Henry slates Rodgers over Dempsey', which I didn't read from it at all - they'd been lining him up all summer, to the extent of already issuing a statement welcoming him ffs, and it's like two days since there was £4m on the table for him. It's about a transformation into another kind of team, using young talent; reassurance and request for patience basically.

Del Piero? Aye go on then.

(obv not gonna happen but the twitter reaction was hilarious)

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That's marvellous, what's he been told there?

"mr rodgers, did it ever occur to you to have more than one way of playing?"

"you know that includes wages right?"

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/10/11/brendan-rodgers-uses-envelopes-mind-games-bring-liverpool_n_1956945.html?utm_hp_ref=uk-sport
Inspirational stuff

an idea borrowed from your own leader apparently

Yup. Kind of. Although there's a difference between the established manager telling his team that have just won the league that the envelopes contain the names of those who have lost their hunger for success and a newcomer telling his new staff (who scarcely know him and have never played competitively for him) at an underperforming team that three of them are going to let him and everyone else down.

What's the outcome supposed to be? Does Ferguson open it at the end-of-season party and they all have a laugh about how he got Vidic all wrong again?

God knows - I don't really see any positive effect of opening the envelope and revealing the names at any stage (it wouldn't be Vidic, btw, because I think this was supposed to have happened in 1993).

well Hughes said himself they were probably empty. It's just a bit of kidology

i can imagine rodgers reading sun tzu and machiavelli as well as moneyball and mgmt theory and nelson mandela's autobiography or whatever

he's an intriguing character, there's genuine talent and a horribly pseudy streak and who knows which aspect will prevail

Did Fox edit in the creepy music or do you reckon Brendan had it on a loop on that Mac, some kind of mind control where he plays it at random moments in the canteen or on the bus and all the players shit themselves and start seeing envelopes.

I'd like to believe the latter

all the envelopes say gerrard

I feel for Gerrard, actually - he's going to be a big problem pretty soon, assuming the side does go on improving and turns into the precise, fast attacking threat they're aiming for. All the barnstorming stuff he specialises in won't be needed, and he'll become the clumsy fat kid breaking you & your pals' toys.

idk, who's your right winger? he did a job for england in the summer

borini injury might not be as big a blow as it's being painted, imo, unfortunate for his settling in but more youth is no bad thing.

sorry, that was nultworthy

"They have been magnificent and I thought they did really well and we just got punished for a mistake," said Rodgers.

said roy hodgson, despised, mocked and shunned former liverpool manager

i see what you did there

ah, but do you see why

you're referring to hodgson's "as good as we have played all season" after the derby? are they comparable? i thought the first half this evening was decent to be fair, we contained them and defended well. second half we lacked a bit of quality when it mattered, but if you consider the makeup of the team and the circumstances (pretty obvious we're not arsed about the europa, apart from when we play strong teams at home, yeah i know it doesn't make sense), i thought it was alright. or should i be expecting more? my expectations are rock bottom remember. he's defending the youngsters, fair enough. tbh i don't really know what to make of liverpool anymore so i could be way off here.

i tihnk it's fair to apply rock-bottom expectations and allow time to rebuild

how much time? how do you see this panning out?

three year plan is prob not too much to ask, but he's got to finish top ten this season with:

serious improvement in football (i think this is prob happening)
serious youth development (unquestionable, if forced upon him)
serious plans to kick on from there and get to UEFA places from then on.

a lot depends on how much leeway he'll get to overhaul the squad. hard to make predictions without knowing the story there.

The football under Hodgson was the worst I have ever witnessed Liverpool play. End Of!!!

idk i thought it was equivalent to much of rafa's stuff tbh. Which got results, fair enough.

so... are you saying it's fair he's allowed time or that he's roy hodgson

i'm saying that it's fair that he's allowed time.

Like it would have been for hodgson.

I think I speak for all supporters of crisis club Liverpool when I say that Hodgson gave no sign that giving him time would have resulted in a successful and exciting team.

he wasn't given the opportunity to show those signs. Man was booed and hissed into anfield.

I think the most they could have hoped for was boring competence, which was arguably the case for much of Houllier & Benitez era. But even that looked very unlikely the way things were going.

if rafa had taken over from rafa he'd have done no more.

I agree. But the new failing coach being no improvement on the old failing coach is no argument in favour of keeping him.

(re: Hodgson, not Rodgers - jury's still out on that one)

oh agreed. But only one of the four from rafa to rodgers is a villainous clown, which is yknow

hodgson was given a chance. it wasn't until we defended for our lives for 90 minutes at home to blackpool that the fans started to turn.

anyway, brendan. disappointed with the lack of checked shirts in his press conferences.

hopefully he turns up to one wearing this

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I want that so bad

next season's away kit

is just a picture of some trees

magnificent.

Eh what, what's happened? An initial raking followed by a good turnaround against a clearly better team (for now)?

Rodgers knows what he's doing and where he wants to go, and how to get there, which is more that at least half of Premiership managers. But as a Liverpool fan I'd be a bit worried about how quickly and apparently easily Michael Laudrup has improved on his Swansea team.

he's doing fine. youth in, and performing. defence, midfield functioning and a red-hot striker. complete lack of backup for same is obv pressing, as is gk form. january transfer windowm needs to be a busy one, but for the players available he's probably doing very well. He's badly hamstrung from previous regime's transfer dealings, huge outlay never to be recouped for downing, carroll and enormous wage drain for the likes of j cole, hard to see these being solved this season.

He just needs to stop saying magnificent.

is Rafa immune til the end of the season?

said before, don't see how Rafa can eff up this season unless Chelsea plummet out of the top 4, which they won't

He was saying yesterday that there's no funds and not much prospect of activity in January. I hope it's a little better than that, or that there's a mini Fowler or Owen who might get a blooding at some point, or Borini returns running, else the second half of the season'll be a bit of a slog as Suarez can't go on like this indefinitely.

prob is that the carroll transfer fee is too sweet to fuck up, so the option of recalling him isn't really available.

D bent, sturridge or scott sinclair, which'd be best for lfc atm

I'd genuinely forgotten about Carroll! He can't play in that team anyway.

Thankfully Bent to qpr looks like it's going to be a thing. Studge should fit but his attitude seems terrible tbh. Sinclair's just a name to me. I don't there's much chance of landing Theo, but I'd be quite excited if we did - can't really justify that, objectively.

I imagine Yesil is the best hope for a mini Owen/Fowler

What I'd really like is a wily old dude who can pass on guile and knowledge for a year or two to whatever young bucks might be down the chain. But I can't think of anyone who'd fit other than di Natale, and I assume that's a no-goer and not within anyone's thinking anyway.

Sinclair would be an excellent signing for Liverpool but I dunno maybe Rodgers has hit upon something with Sterling and Enrique on either flank. He certainly seems to be tinkering with purpose. Centre forward has to be the priority.

cf doesn't need to fit in, he gets bolted on.

Swansea scored goals last night attacking in a swarm, knock it in low. Don't see big teams get that number of bodies in the box anymore, i wonder why

There was discussion of Dortmund swarming on Football Weekly this week. I haven't seen enough of them to comment, but the idea of intense, targeted pressing on a few weak links, rather than across-the-board constant pressure, seems to be a thing.

word for hernandez btw, any number of teams missed that trick

Wait a minute ... which makes evading the swarm by playing a hollywood ball the next big thing

Hernandez looks terrific, I can see Fergie going in for him in the summer, maybe even Spurs when we finally sell Bale.

nah he'd slot right in somewhere but he's not quite good enough to make a real difference imo

liverpool could have done with him as a maxi replacement obv

bent also better off at pool than he would be with us

fulham probably the ideal move for him though

said before, don't see how Rafa can eff up this season unless Chelsea plummet out of the top 4, which they won't

― Shane Breen is a gigantic tool (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 29 November 2012 10:44 (3 hours ago) Bookmark

eh idk if arse/spurs/ev get some consistent pressure on i wouldnt rule it out. certainly way more likely now than under rdm

can't see anything other than normal top four, chelsea signed too many good players this summer not to keep ahead of us, arsenal always tease us at christmas

If Rafa contrives to find some way of sucking all the creativity out of Hazard and Mata, or if one or both become jaded or injured, then Chelsea are in trouble. Those two players were the centre of pretty much everything Chelsea did in the first few weeks of the season.

Chelsea have already plummeted out of the Top Four once so I don't know why you'd rule it out.

Poor Brendan, he's putting in all that patient sensible work and here we are all talking about Rafa.

he already dropped mata yesterday did good old rafa

no mata, what

mata hara-kiri

can't see anything other than normal top four

'normal'?

city utd arse chelsea, normal top four imo.

'normal' as in 'happened once before'?

normal as in normal

The normal distribution is considered the most prominent probability distribution in statistics

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Would it be fair to say that Rodgers has instilled a level base from which to improve by increments? Liverpool have beaten, comfortably, almost every team beneath them in the league, and drawn or lost, narrowly (with one exception) to almost every team above them. While a level alongside West Brom and Everton may not be every Liverpool fan's idea of glory and rightful status, a large part of me thinks Rodgers must be applauded for establishing his team so emphatically as in the tier immediately behind what can probably rightly be regarded as the Big Five, especially given the context of recent history. While their penetration against top teams should be questioned, they have looked extremely comfortable against teams of lesser standing, and the consistency of their method shows wonderful progress from an era where admittedly some highly dubious tactics fetched cold from the 90's were employed as standard. Perhaps Liverpool will eventually need a different manager to take them beyond what might turn out to be a decent plateau, but I feel Rodgers deserves at least two more years with an incredibly difficult job already one-third complete. After stability must come development and eventually a serious challenge to the three London clubs. This season, finishing above Everton would be triumph enough, and should it come about, I would describe it as a good season for the club, maybe even a very good one.

we'll not be standing still, nor are many clubs in the league. frankly if rodgers continues at this pace he's really only going to consolidate in sixth.

What result was the exception btw?

Opening day of the season!

not villa?

i'm not sure they've beaten every team below them comfortably either.

Not knockin rodgers, but i think the job of work there is such that three years is not going to do it, looking at spurs, city, utd, chelsea alone i can't see lfc threatening the top four (i mean seriously, not close) in two years time.

Everton are an unknown quantity, but if moyes were suddenly to start pulling full seasons out of the hat you'd consider it a surprise- but arsenal haven't yet fallen so low that i'd be taking them for granted at all in the timeframe we're discussing.

So if rodgers is a success lfc will be fifth as of may 2015, say. Is that gonna be enough? Doubt it.

'Three' London clubs?

you want fulham in there as well? harsh.

no idea how it's going to pan out so for the time being i'll just enjoy watching suarez do his thing and glen johnson being glen johnson.

how's the verdict on those risky men, the hendersons, the allens, how's downing doing? is this burst going to save him?

Henderson's stock has risen while not playing, Allen's is dropping with each start

Henderson has been playing.

that comment might be slightly out of date. I was seeing a lot of "get Hendo on for Allen" comments on various forums relatively recently

On Utd forums? Henderson looks the definition of average. Allen dots about nicely still, but he was horribly exposed as a lightweight at West Ham and I feel he's going to have to add a tiny bit of steel now. I keep thinking back to Being: Liverpool where Bren asked him to pick his shirt number, but he wouldn't commit and so Bren had to do it for him. I noted it here as a potentially revealing moment iirc.

You know how every so often at school someone in your class would absent-mindedly call one of the teachers "dad" and everyone would point and laugh? I get the feeling Joe Allen does that to Rodgers quite a lot.

yes!

and not specifically Utd forums Ismael

Henderson has been playing well recently.

can't tackle, can't pass, can't shoot. but by god does he run around a bit. the jay spearing bar has been well and truly raised

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http://www.football365.com/news/21554/8500800/Rodgers-a-near-perfect-away-performance-

that 'near perfect away performance' in which they failed to score was actually pretty mild compared to this

“It is great for the public here at Sunderland to see us,” said manager Brendan Rodgers. “They must have been wondering what this team everyone is talking about are all about and now they have seen. We were wonderful.

“Our intention is always to pass teams to a standstill, but give credit to Sunderland, they defended ever so well when other teams might have wilted.

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/297389/Sunderland-2-Swansea-0-Wes-Brown-tells-Craig-Gardner-to-dig-in

note the scoreline in the url

Rodgers said: “The biggest thing we need this summer is to bring in some men, some character that allows and supports the other men to see the games out. That is the biggest thing for me. Look at Jamie Carragher. He is our best defender, he is 35, but we are losing that character. That has to be replaced somehow.

“I also think there are other areas of the team that need improving. They have to be established players and they have to have that hunger, that is the key thing.”

just gets more risible, after throwing his young players under the bus after the oldham loss (and highlighting individual players for criticism) its all about MEN and ESTABLISHED PLAYERS and still the portentous invocations to CHARACTER

"Going into the last 20-25 minutes I was thinking we could win the game but we gave away two poor goals," he added. "The first one is a terrific strike but we are disappointed with the build-up and we could have defended it better.

"We ended up losing the game when we probably should have won the game. In six months, 12 months' time we won't be making those mistakes.

two years in the job and another £45m and his team will stop making entrylevel defensive errors

jealous

even if i supported a team i would try not to get too jealous of a magnificient 5-0 victory over a reserve xi

lol this is how i was feeling in preseason, seem to have become immune to his guff now though

there's just no better club in existence for him

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high time someone updated this gif tbh

the spiel is not new, he is a charismatic after all, and all charismatics are charlatans in some measure

so it is a question of degree, and rodgers' charlatanry while apparent from his swansea days is in overdrive right now, every victory vs modest opponents is MAGNIFICENT, every defeat is the product of lack of character, implicitly a failure to 'believe' in the 'project'

his willingness to blame individual players shows a ruthless expediency underneath the avuncular/fraternal platitudes

All for highlighting individual mistakes and throwing em under the bus

idk in some instances it can probably work, it's the more the discordance with his osentible focus on THE TEAM at all times, like when suarez was carrying them and rodgers was insistent that it was THE TEAM who were MAGNIFICENT TODAY

yeah idk i'd say p much all of that is fairly astute management and none of it counterproductive wrt what he wants to achieve, imo the overdriven aspect indicates a healthy awareness that he won't be given a decade to cultivate progress so now he's hothousing somewhat

he's also given more than enough carrot early doors to validate the recent stick

i think the willingness to publicly name and shame is as much about his vanity as his messianic properties and i don't think vanity is a good look unless you're a Clough Sr. or a Mourinho

a healthy awareness that he won't be given a decade to cultivate progress so now he's hothousing somewhat

― r|t|c, Sunday, 17 February 2013 19:04 (9 minutes ago)

yeah but he is still kicking it into the long grass

"We ended up losing the game when we probably should have won the game. In six months, 12 months' time we won't be making those mistakes."

No results found for "more than enough carrot early doors"

Liverpool fans have got every right to be feeling fairly enthusiastic about their potential under Bren I reckon (within limits of course - the whole "we could finish second" deal was unconscionably optimistic). I take the point about it being Swansea's reserves out there today, but nevertheless, that performance was impressive. 3rd goal in particular showed a bunch of guys more or less on the same wavelength, which is supposedly what Rodgers is all about. Obviously they're very inconsistent, but Man United are just about the only Premier League side who aren't inconsistent to some degree right now.

On a technical level at least, I believe some of Rodgers' hype. I think the guy 'gets it', and I do believe that with more time / a few key signings / the rub of the green / all the other things that managers of promising football teams usually want but don't get, he could take this squad back into the Champs League places. I'm talking over a period of years here.

That said, I couldn't disagree more w/ rtc that you can develop an immunity to this guy's press conference schtick. This season I've gone from finding him as hilarious a manager as any in the league (that print of himself - with it's own light and all!) to cultivating a fairly robust dislike of the guy in recent months. It's a lot to do with the jargon, but more than that, it's that sense that this isn't a particularly nice man.

"his willingness to blame individual players shows a ruthless expediency underneath the avuncular/fraternal platitudes"

This is it really. This man just has such an obvious agenda, it's all so completely about HIM, about HIS philosophy and HIS ideas and HIS way of doing things, it makes me feel positively queasy. And that sense of it being HIS name on the line seems to lend itself to a ruthless streak, like it's more embarrassing when shit goes wrong because he's so forthright about how this team is being moulded in his image. But then somehow he manages to avoid taking responsibility for the major fuckups, because he can pass it off as "deviation from the plan" or some shit, thus making it the players' fault again.

It's like he's trying to engineer the sort of cult-of-personality dominance that Fergie and Wenger and even Moyes have, where everyone involved broadly buys into the idea that the manager is bigger than the squad and everyone needs to do as they're told, because it's so clearly the right thing for the team. But that seems so ridiculous w/ Liverpool, because it couldn't be any clearer that Gerrard and Suarez are both far more important as individuals than Bren.

I think he does know what he's doing tactically, and to that extent the substance is there. But it's just the presentation of it all that kills me. Some of his rhetoric deserves a spot in the "Cult of motivational speaking" thread over on ILE. Sometimes he really comes across as this fucking idiot who went through a phase of reading sub-par book on office management strategies and motivational techniques once.
Compare and contrast w/ Andre Villas Boas, another young moderniser, another student of Mourinho, who's taken over a team in transition from an "old school" manager and attempted to get them playing more fashionable football. AVB tends to come across as an intelligent and thoughtful guy who knows what he's about, and can explain eloquently what he's trying to do with the team. And he seems to be achieving that with far less meaningless buzzwords than BR, and it's actually adding to his authority as a manager, IMO. As opposed to Rodgers, who is actually undermining the good opinion that I'm forming of him as a football manager with his constant clowning around in press conferences. Good football manager, probably not a great human being.

'that sense that this isn't a particularly nice man'

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Phil Leotardo: Pattie told me there was doin's. I guess the turd doesn't fall far from the faggot's ass.
Tony Soprano: That's beautifully put.

that is very close to my thoughts about rodgers anyway -- he isn't untalented and he has altered the way they play quite considerably, even if his demonstrated talents don't nearly obtain to those necessary for a personality cult (and those managers didn't seek to further one until they had many years of success)

not enough attention paid itt to the photo of coutinho training next to a placard with that numinous phrase beloved of all post-mourinho hacks, INTENSITY

xps You could update that gif either by shopping in Bren, or by having Dalglish flying saucering those dollars to Mike Ashley

I like AVB very much, but it's very noticeable that all the things that make him seem a decent human being make for 'hapless AVB flounders to save job' stories once he encounters a poor run. Being a manager still a charisma grosshund game and it's not fair to single out Bren more than anyone else bar AVB or Wenger.

In any case, Bren's done plenty of taking responsibility this season. He took the blame for Skrtel's passback against City for example. If provoking individuals is what's needed now, fine.

PS I think top four was just about on this year btw, if we'd had a proper striker for the first half.

Which is as much down to others' weaknesses, I fully admit.

taking the blame for the skrtel backpass was a type of narcissism too, even if it it was the right thing to do, for it reinforced the sense that 'this is what we are about'

like i say his vanity seemed far more significant and pernicious in pre-season when he bowled in spouting cobblers, immediately told dalglish's signings they wouldnt be required, and deigned his former protoges allen and borini good value replacements at 25m+

if he really is becoming more noxious generally now then it's mitigated by being in aid of progress now he seems to have got the ball rolling. i honestly thought the public name & shame was pretty refreshing coming from him and would have been an effective kick up the backside imo

team building is instilling a collective narcissism in some respects and he has to be the exemplar

http://greatrednorth.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/brendan-rodgers-david-brent.jpg?w=510&h=329

http://greatrednorth.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/brendan-rodgers-david-brent.jpg?w=510&h=329

Disagree with everyone itt since

... your last post?

Obv

disagrees with everyone itt since he is darraghmac

Obv.

Standard rule is i cant get overmuch into detail while cox is on

srsly just typin that got me elbowed and a muttered "sh, thrombolites"

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/02/12/who-said-it-rodgers-brent_n_2667551.html

^ I thought I'd posted that yesterday, but it would appear that I posted the same picture twice by mistake. Idiot.

Yeah, I figured :)

so it is a question of degree, and rodgers' charlatanry while apparent from his swansea days is in overdrive right now, every victory vs modest opponents is MAGNIFICENT, every defeat is the product of lack of character, implicitly a failure to 'believe' in the 'project'

this is inaccurate really. he mostly has heaped praise on the team even in defeat this season, but not in a way that seems silly or irritating to fans. i'd say his barometer is pretty steady, most of the times i've felt they played well but didn't get a result, he expresses similar sentiments, and when they've been shit, he has tended to say it, particularly in recent weeks.

of course he's going to praise them for a 5-0 win, the team needs confidence and a sense of progress.

plus the stuff about experience is something he's said before this season, a few times. it's highly possible he is learning himself too, about what the team needs.

Sahin made 12 appearances for Liverpool on loan from Real Madrid but failed to make any real impact, and claims his lack of success was down to a disagreement with Rodgers.

The 24-year-old, now on loan at Borussia Dortmund, told AS: "I did not fail at Liverpool. Brendan Rodgers wanted me to play as a number 10. But I do not play behind the strikers.

"I talked to him and asked him why he was playing me there. It is not my real position. The coach could not answer me … Still, no regrets. To play at Anfield was a wonderful experience. And maybe if I had not gone there I would not have been able to return to Borussia Dortmund. For that, I am happy. Thank God I have left Brendan Rodgers."

When he first arrived at Anfield, Sahin said he had chosen to join Liverpool because of Rodgers. "The only reason I am here is that I know that I can play football, I know that I have a manager who trusts in me and the way I play, and I am at a huge club," he said in August. "That is why I am here … He told me about English football and said that I would love the Premier League because it is the best league in the world. I made my own mind up about Brendan Rodgers."

I want him to stay as long as possible. I hate Liverpool and it gives me a warm feeling seeing them be so shit.

Sup

Welcome, valuable new poster!

does what he says on the tin

We wait all this time for new blood, and it turns out to be a Utd fan ffs

oppet should post more tbrr

We wait all this time for new blood, and it turns out to be a Utd fan ffs

Correct, I am a United fan. A fan of the United from Leeds though, not Manchester.

lol @ u

i've got your backs red men

I thought you were lost in the rawk triangle

been watching football but not really been able to enjoy any of it because of jobhunting and other joys. the best i can offer is that i'd like southampton to stay up. and for liverpool to win of course.

It's starting to look like you'll get at least one of these. Good to have you on the road to recovery anyway.

You know who I miss though? Slash N Burn, he was a good poster.

Hi chris

happy with this coutinho id say?

Suarez mistranslated again?

I wouldn't've thought so. But he's done no more than state the obvious - it's not like anyone's unaware of his existence.

Lucky sod if so tbh

Gulp: club 'certain he will stay'. That means negotiations are already happening, right?

How're we going to replace him though? Other than the Baros/Cisse/Crouch interregnum, there's been an absolute top-drawer striker at Anfield as long as I've been watching football. Either that means it's not *that* hard, or lfc owe the law of averages bigtime.

I guess it could also mean it's easy for Aldridge or Saunders to look the business in a great team.

idk being superclub in the 80s prob has some effect on the youth product of yr club in the 90s, and still being big enough of a draw that eg suarez would go to you is not a random occurrence.

but yeah, you've not been starved of top strikers the past three or four decades i'd say.

It's worrying because Liverpool will need more than a new striker in the summer, they've got a back line to rebuild as well.

You'd be stretching the truth somewhat to say that Saunders was in a great team. Or that he looked the business.

his management makes his playing look pretty business-like

i'd say he might stay another year, really. but i don't think it's an unmitigated disaster if he goes.

it would be really interesting to see him in a team with one more window's worth of signings, but you'd have to hope it's a window of coutinho/sturridge success rather than last summer, borini/allen etc, lot of money wasted there, tho allen isn't shit he's not particularly effective.

Whats a suarez sell for?

don't really understand how skrtel's managed to fall off so hard this year

I mean the Suarez money would presumably be huge and there's not much to go round at Liverpool by the looks of things. With a retiring Carragher, an unwanted Skrtel and an injury-prone Agger, there's a lot of work to be done there. And that's assuming Reina manages to stop being a fucking idiot in time for next season. But there's already the makings of a decent post-Suarez frontline there.

don't really understand how skrtel's managed to fall off so hard this year

it is strange. for a time that central defence was one of the few encouraging things.

agger is linked with a move away too, if they get a big wedge for him they should take it. city were offering about 20m last summer i think.

Skrtel just doesn't strike me as a Rodgers type player at all so some of that fall-off might be atrophying motivation. Carragher isn't really either but it looks waiting until that problem went away has paid off.

Carragher's been trouble for years, but is the decline in skrtl terminal, is it linked to a new system, is it worth cashing him in or working with him

skrtel could still have been the puyol to agger's pique in a rodgers system, it's more he can't seem to handle the basics any more these days. against that big lump at oldham it wasnt even a contest

he doesn't seem as aggressive as before

it is strange. for a time that central defence was one of the few encouraging things.

This season's been a bit odd, Liverpool are 2nd in clean sheets but about 11th in goals conceded - so when they concede it's almost always more than one goal.

I hadn't picked up on that, that is strange. Conceded one to Zenit, one to Mansfield, then the last time before that was a run of three single-goal-concededs at the start of November.

I'd be wary of calling Sturridge a success just yet. Looked to be reverting to type in the Southampton game

rodgers isnt much of a defensive organiser (like steve clarke under whom skrtel looked bossest), i dont think he really believes in it, what with pressing all over the pitch as a team and so on

problem is though while holistically blurring the lines between defence and attack is highly desirable the defence will always still be a unit in itself necessitating a trained understanding

even though skrtel's having personal mare he doesnt seem to be being helped much by anyone covering him. big sami wasnt the nippiest but finnan (whose boots show pony glen johnson isnt fit to lace) and carra tended to clear up iirc

how do u lot assess the return of lucas? has he had any bearing on the upturn in goalscoring or is that purely down to the new blood in attack?

He was terrifyingly off-the-pace in his first few games back, which I hoped was just fitness but was fearing the worst. He seems to have recovered though, not that I've seen enough so someone else will have to judge - it's possibly the attack masking things there too.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/pressure-of-topfour-target-too-much-for-liverpool-says-clubs-psychiatrist-steve-peters-8554167.html

hehe

Gah! What he says is all sensible, but what's the point when that's the headline?

flattering headlines should be an aspiration rather than a concrete goal iirc

You can't stop other people laughing, but you can stop giving them things to laugh about

it's not even just the headline is the funny thing, they have a separate full interview where it's all nice and polite and considered, and then this little extra nudge in the ribs summary on the side just for the lolz

happy with this coutinho id say?

looks good! impressed with his tracking back too.

we are defending differently to last season, and it may be that agger and/or skrtel aren't suited to rodgers' system. lucas is still not 100%, and he's also having to adjust to being the '1' who drops in when the centrebacks split. also possible according to people who know these things that rodgers has made a conscious decision to concentrate on the attack this season, and sort out the defence and the pressing next season. we're joint-second in terms of goals scored this season, the new scouting/recruitment team is in place, and Rodgers will have a season under his belt and will have a better idea of who can play his system.

Where are we on the optimism curve? Because I'm feeling pretty good about next year fwiw.

we're joint-second in terms of goals scored this season

I posted somewhere (maybe here) recently that you're also joint second in clean sheets - the problem is when you concede one you tend to concede more.

Sorting out attack first seems to be backwards, but maybe it's that the defence weren't a problem until the style changed?

despite hilarious poll shenanigans i'm actually quite interested in aspas

he's had a pretty shaky start by all accounts. are there signs he could develop into a confident & lethal cog in the liverpool armoury?

some quality mixed metaphors there jim

it's early to damn him but he has no control in possession and looks shit imo.

i suppose moses has been signed to play in his position

Aspas is always in space so movement's excellent and he works hard, but yeah either the ball bounces off him or he bounces off the defender. I'd prefer it the other way round probably, though I'd want to see him live to see if that's right.

i suppose moses has been signed to play in his position

yeah sounds like moses, suarez, coutinho, sturridge is the front four, god how times have changed i love you bren.

hahaha forgot suarez

fuck you're sorted. finishing above utd would be your best domestic season in...20 years? or did u finish above them that year u came 2nd

or did u finish above them that year u came 2nd

lol unfortunately no, i think they just pipped us that year.

'01-'02, above utd, 2nd. but football was different then, less impregnable. imo 3rd or 4th and above utd this year would be an incalculably greater achievement

tbh if fuckboy's lot crash & burn (don't know how but the force of karma mustn't be discounted) liverpool seem best-equipped to nab the title as it stands

ah sorry, thought you meant 09.

anything top four would be a miracle. fifth would be a pleasant surprise.

Let's not get carried away, it's been three one-nils the first two of which could easily have been draws. In fact if Stoke had scored the penalty they'd be top right now.

I don't think there'll be a front four, Bren seems wedded to starting Lucas/Gerrard/Henderson

liverpool shd have scored maybe 4 against stoke

Nabbing the title is lunacy, come on. The squad's light once you get beyond the first XI; even there fullbacks need sorting and we may well be a CB short for periods. That said I think third is there for us this year - Chelsea are going to power away with City slowly drifting from them imo, after that it's anyone's (out of four clubs obv).

you'd have to imagine a real push for the title next year though.

arguably gerrard is the most capable right-back after johnson. kelly/flanagan/wisdom have all blurred into one vague idk of ineptitude

I know a couple of Chelsea fans who are a bit annoyed about letting Moses go. Obviously they don't need him but he did seem to get a few goals for them last season.

The next six fixtures are such an opportunity though:

Swansea A
Southampton H
Sunderland A
Palace H
Newcastle A
West Brom H

first two are the hardest, win those and *makes the sound limmy's electrical retailer makes for the biggest unit*

The three that've gone already all arguably harder on paper is the thing. Trying not to get carried away, feet on the ground, one game at a time, etc.

"and we may well be a CB short for periods."

?? you've only the five

Is there any team in the PL with adequate provision of fullbacks, or where the fullbacks aren't the weak link, other than City and Chelsea? Everton maybe, but they're problem positions for almost everyone.

probly been a problem ever since full backs became "wingers with a longer run-up"

correct

ugh

Agger's fine but gets injuries, Toure's fine but already injured, Skrtel's indestructible but not fine, the other two lads haven't played yet

arsenal and ynahtid fullbacks equivalent quality to the aggregate of the rest of their teams

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liverpool have had a bright start but 5th would be a very good result this year, 4th a miracle and 3rd isnt achievable imo

otm. momentum is a big thing, they need to stay in top four for as long as possible to get some belief going.

but yeah head says sixth.

imo squad depth can be overstated now in the age of chelsea and city bloat - liverpool seem generally well-balanced to me (esp if toure and/or ilori can do dm and rb), no particularly severe weaknesses that good coaching/focus/momentum can't overcome, no europa league bollocks either. they look good

Sixth is most likely but I'd be disappointed with it

they haven't even clicked fully yet (if they're going to)

Heart says 5th without europe and with spurs/arsenal occupying each other

Fourth-favourites for the title, fifth-favourites to finish top 4 (switching places with Arsenal obviously). Spurs sixth in both books.

England 25/1 for the World Cup, that's pretty unusual. Still wouldn't recommend a flutter though.

i'd say it's about 4 times less likely than spurs finishing 6th alright.

Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers has not decided whether Luis Suarez will start at Manchester United but says the striker is "really champing at the bit to help the team" after his ban.

ah come now.

the optimism on this thread, 5th September seems like another era

And yet the same era, recurring.

Liverpool centre-back Mamadou Sakho has revealed that Brendan Rodgers calls him 'Killer'.

Brendan Rodgers has revealed there were never any names in the envelopes he used as part of an infamous motivational speech to Liverpool players ahead of the start of last season.

feelin more vindicated abt this dude tbh

completely outplayed 1ce this season & that was by an excellent arsenal, other than that they've looked competitive at least in every game (ok there was a fairly dismal match v soton and another v hull but that aside)

Was just reflecting that criticisms of Bren's snake oil can sound a lot like criticisms of avb's snake oil. Bren's pragmatic side seems like the biggest distinction though, he does send lfc out to limp defeats occasionally, but not repeatedly.

i still think there's a long way to go but he does have the sense of being a guy who tries things and learns as he goes along.

xpost he's had enough practice at this, more's the pity, but they at least bounce back p well after a limp defeat. prob his biggest achievement is making anfield a place where teams in lower half can expect to get hammered.

i mean, he had to undo years of pathetic defensive mindedness, years of "we'll soak it up and beat you 1-0", years of creativity left untrusted on the bench or sold off. it took a while but finally the dour decade of houllier and rafa is gone.

Coulda sworn id started this thread

settling into his role as senior Premiership statesman

what is he, 3rd longest serving manager or something by now?

Was pondering the other day what chance either Rodgers or Martinez have of getting the Barca job at some point. I think in relation to Martino getting stick in Catalan press for his style of play not being tiki taka enough. Although LFC not really tiki taka anymore this season.

tbf his pronouncements from on high usually have sense to them. hard to dislike the chap. think he 'gets' liverpool fc

martinez is this nation's most valuable management asset & it will be sad if he leaves. rodgers best off here too

lol Rodgers at Barca doesn't bear thinking about, the quantities of smugness would start sucking in satellites

rodgers will never, ever, manage barca.

xp Fifth, but the three ahead in the queue are Pardew, Big Sam and Malky. I think avb might even've been sixth.

Was pondering if there was actually anywhere Bren might go, or if we've got him for life if this comes off. Hadn't considered the big Spanish clubs, so thanks for sowing doubt in my mind p.

btw I'm going all-in, I've taken to dressing as Bren for work now - got a nice black v-neck jumper as an early xmas present for under my suit, and have asked Santa for an lfc tie.

Do you also have a massive self portrait on your wall at home?

To be fair it's not actually a self-portrait, he had child labourers do it.

"My only conclusion is you have a business guy operating the club who knows absolutely nothing about football. He has obviously been a successful businessman – congratulations but football is like no other business."

Something about the way he handwaves off being a successful businessman here that I find very endearing

he's right
http://images.dailystar-uk.co.uk/dynamic/58/photos/686000/8686.jpg

sort of indicative that the two managers tearing shit up in europe this season have both gone in for the all black suit combo but one has quietly shelved it rather like his early attempts at a swansea style gentle possession game and the other just embraces the look further and furher

http://i.imgur.com/XyUbVK7.jpg

that's a bullfighter outfit tho tbrr

Suave, man. You're so fucking suave.

lallana for £20m... bren's on a roy evans tip

good chance to waste some serious money this season now he will have the upper hand over the rest of their transfer committee

not that lallana isn't a good player but he will be overpriced and isn't demonstrably better than countinho or sterling

suso is only twenty and has nine assists in la liga this season compared to six for lallana

Suso and Borini back hopefully. Lallana's okay, I'd prefer Rakitic though.

what do you think of sahko

He looks like he should be a strong athletic physically imposing CB. But whenever I've seen him he doesn't play like that. I half suspect he's a player who will never train on like say Micah Richards. Then again if he was alongside a CB with some nous who was comfortable barking orders all game long maybe he'd be better. I'm loath to subscribe to the Carra "what LFC need is some leadership at the back" doctrine but I'm not sure he's entirely wrong. The way the back line drops deep when defending a lead whilst simultaneously looking ropey with dealing with balls into the box ain't a good combination. I'd still expect him to start next season though. Thing is our most experienced defender is Agger and Rodgers clearly doesn't fully trust him.

Sakho's also p lousy on the ball imo. Takes an age to decide where to pass it and how.

dont think mignolet is much of an organizer either, nor is he particularly adept at passing or control, skrtel is a goon for the ages, gerrard for all the 'quarterback' shit the press throw around sometimes looks positionally uncertain, so that whole area just has a sense of panic about it

wrt sakho his technique isnt quite as bad as some people say but he is really awkward and seems stressed about every single pass he has to make, can almost see the relief every time it rolls away from his feet and is no longer his responsibility for a couple of seconds at least

tiago still possibly a bit frail for the epl but he gives off a sense of calm and composure that would count for something in that defence

I really wish we'd been able to get Cabaye. I mean I understand that we stood no chance vs PSG even if we'd been interested but I think he'd be glorious in our midfield.

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'The first chat I had with him was at Melwood [Liverpool’s training ground], just after he was confirmed as Liverpool’s new manager. It wasn’t a long conversation, just the typical welcome to the club stuff, but he also wanted to talk to me because there had been suggestions there was a chance of me going to Juventus.

'Brendan spoke to me in Spanish and he told me to give him time, to give him a chance, and that I would like the way we were going to play. It would suit me. He said we would bring the ball out on the floor, keep possession and play attacking football. I remember him saying, “It’s not so hard to bring the ball out from the back on the floor, you know”.'

It is clear that the pair had a strong relationship before Suarez's £75million move to Barcelona in July. The 27-year-old continues to explain how Rodgers immediately got him on side with his philosophy.

'From the start, it convinced me. It made sense. And although the results weren’t good, I could see that we were playing better. I was excited. Brendan’s philosophy was to play on the floor, keep possession of the ball and, if we lost it, to pressure to get it back. Don’t panic, don’t play so fast as we had the previous season, look for the spaces at the right time.

'But you could see a Spanish influence in the way that Brendan worked. He was interested in Spain, he had studied there, and what he’d learned there was at the heart of our style of play: passing, pressuring high, quick movement, arriving into the area rather than standing there waiting for it, coming inside from wide positions.'

https://twitter.com/RodgersOutClub

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the sense of constriction and unwelcome focus on rodgers these days is nicely accentuated by this interview appearing to be conducted in an oubliette lit by francis bacon

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29969542

Stoke played a tight, tidy pressing game without creating too many attacking chances, Liverpool were presumably supposed to be advancing through Coutinho, Sterling or Jordan Henderson with the ball on the floor but ended up lumping hopeful long balls in the direction of Lambert. It produced a stalemate that suited the visitors, one place above Liverpool in the table at the start, but left the locals wondering what exactly Rodgers meant when he said his side could still manage a top-four finish. People are beginning to collect Brendanisms, and there was a marvellous one in the manager’s programme notes. “Only our confidence has been knocked,” he said. “Belief has not been affected.”

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmVTY0qIAAASZnc.jpg:medium

Any Liverpool fans on here planning to make the trip south to see what happens when Kolo Toure and Adebayo Akinfenwa collide?

So delighted with the draw, though pretty nervous about my chance of getting a ticket (as a non-ST holder).

confirmed velociraptor

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Brendan Rodgers described Liverpool’s win over QPR, and a plane carrying a banner calling for him to be replaced as manager by Rafael Benítez, as “insignificant” in the context of Rio Ferdinand’s wife dying from cancer at the age of 34.

The Liverpool manager ended his press conference with a moving tribute to the 36-year-old and his family, saying: “Football was secondary today. Rio Ferdinand has been an incredible player and I heard the news about his wife while driving in today. Planes and everything is insignificant to what Rio and his family are going through.

bren otm to be fair. rafa back in is some kind of wild sentimental madness.

would take klopp over rafa anyway

Finishing 5th with basically no strikers is probably a decent achievement, if he can manage it.

feel like he's partly responsible for the lack of strikers

Don't particularly want Rodgers out, although tbf the only managers I've ever wanted LFC to sack were Hodgson and Dalglish (2nd time round obv). However if a clearly better manager is available then why not? Rafa is a better manger than Rodgers imo but don't think his return would work out v well. If Klopp was interested then we should be after him absolutely.

Think not getting the team back on track after back to back defeats to Utd and Arsenal is the major black mark on Rodgers since the first few months of his first season. Those 2 losses were fine but allowing the team to seemingly assume that Utd would continue accumulating wins and that 4th place was out of reach considering the gentle nature of the rest of our fixtures (Chelsea away excepted) was p terrible. We've reverted to lots of possession minimal penetration.

Not many players have had a good season. Coutinho, Can, Skrtel, Hendo, Mingolet (2nd half of season) Lucas (when fit) That's about it, which ain't great.

Rafa is a better manger than Rodgers imo

Not convinced a manger is what Liverpool need

now that they've sold heskey

feel like he's partly responsible for the lack of strikers

v hard to say - nobody seems to know to what extent rodgers is responsible for signings

i'd guess he doesn't have that much say - he seems to have taken against Balotelli from day 1. but given the hand he was dealt i'd say he's responsible for mismanaging Balotelli and Lambert, amongst others, and refusing to play to their abilities is his decision.

Yeah, sort of fair. Balo has been total muck tho - dunno if he has any strengths. He isn't a lone striker and with Sturridge out he kind of had to be. I guess he could have tried something with Balo and Lambert both together, but I guess every manager has some kind of personal style.

Next season will be the test I suppose - there are some positives from this year, if we can buy the right striker.

arise divock, bastard lovechild of heskey & dioufy

how we could have done with some of those six goals he got for lille this season

actually turns out it's eight - i prob shouldn't mock - that's more than all our strikers put together

have procured an espresso and amaretto biscuit just to savour these penos

http://mamahd.com/watch-liverpool-live-stream-free-online-1.html

watch with

oh keith curle's managing carlisle

i rly thought i was sat across him on the tube a few months ago but turned out it was jeremy guscott

saw about 10 seconds of that, someone with artificially lurid hair missing a penalty vs someone with congenitally lurid hair

an object lesson in why hitting it low is just so last millennium

clearly fuck liverpool if they have a chance to get ancelotti and dont

y

i don't want to be seeing carlo slum it there tbh

feel much the same but theyre obliged to at least try

official reports in Madrid tonight say Rafa is not considering a move at this time

can't see it working even in theory, too unchill, they'll just hodgson him

kloppo renewed cycle of mutual gurning self mythos seems the natural thing. that or worshipping rafas new or old yes

hate to say it but they need an avb to go cold turkey on passion and love for the club/game/life

The actual AVB is probably available.

there's such a thing as too cold a turkey mind

klopp would prob do a good waco siege and it might be amazing. disagree about passion, spoken like a true spurs fan, worshipping some bald shithead cos fergie said he sold berbatov in a difficult manner. we need klopp conducting the hordes.

ancelotti prob won't want to join.

tbh it's a pretty good squad imo, unlike other times we have been about to sack the manager.

peace god

near enough

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