golden era darraghmac vendettas

can only be one

rafa imo, real greaseball shit

yeah i went with rafa, the whole Jol thing lacked the necessary venom imo

it lacked the venom, probably, but there was a lot more passion. like a club vs an arrow

jenas vs robinson is a whole nother poll, prob.

surprised myself with my vote tbh

Jenas has been fuckin useless for so much of his career but has given some joy, more a shocking waste of talent and triumph of nonparticipation than anything else.Yeah his place in the team was a gap in a pretty smile, but in a way he was the kind of once-every-hundred-touches player that it felt right for us to have. Sandro/parker/fuck it even livermore as anchors are all improvements but i still have to rub my eyes at times when i see any of them goin in for an actual fuckin tackle, 'oh yeah we do that now' kinda thing.

Rafa. Well, he irritates me no end, but i mean the dude cried at that hillsborough tribute and it's not my fuckin club anyway and he's both a+ troll and a+ trollable and he's p fuckin good at his job, tho v prone to perverse self-sabotage. Leading us to

Jol. Clearly a likeable guy. Attack minded. Youth oriented. Showed heart and class for a lot of his time with us. But fuck me his blindspots over jenas, robinson, lee, zokora, name em, cost us and him so so badly it fuckin killed me. Week after week, cunts out there that were built to bottle any challenge, fail any short term goal, dully trample out any hope in the heart of the onlooker that this time, just once, it'll work out, we'll hang on to this lead, we can't let this one slip, fuck me these lads are bottom and we'll go third with a win, last day shits so classically typically fuckin jol team, we nearly had it but the dog ate it i got it off the toilet seat of course we practice set pieces so close but yet so far is close enough. His inability to pick anything like a form xi made the avb/gallas thing look like a gordian knot in comparison. He needed sacking, he wouldn't do his job. I hope he learned from it. I've made peace with him, wish him well. If he ever managed to get himself a defensive coach and learned how to drop a cunt i'd even maybe have him back someday.

So it's got to be robinson. A fat, shit, jittery fraud of a professional athlete, his continued lack of presence in nets for us cost us cl participation for years running, made jol a lame duck, destroyed kaboul mki and held dawson and other developing defenders back for a long time, was the second rotten pillar we tried to build a beautiful tower of youth and strength on (ledder's knee obv) and cost me more precious sanity reserves than i care to fuckin consider week after harrowing week. I know that inability to perform a sporting duty doesn't automatically bestow cuntishness, and imputing morality or otherwise in line with such performance is a flawed and damned enterprise, but to show up and collect thirty grand wages when you know fucking well there's more chance you'll cost than fortify a unit, the whole time barely squeezing into a replica maternity top, year after year of the cunt doing that little hop before he flopped ineffectual and late, always too late, well- if the cunt were a surgeon he'd be up on murder charges the cunt, and nobody'd be sayin 'he done his best'. Fuck him to smithereens.

that was worth being up late for

brb gotta write a letter to a girl while i'm getting 2005 outta my system

fuck me i didnt even know robbo ran that deep

slept like a fuckin child after that

I think i may have voted for jenas, cos fuckin phone

"Jol out" is a phrase I sometimes wish I could use irl

Jol is the original and probably the best but it lacks the sheer fury of the Robinson hatred, to the extent that Darragh was still basically okay with Gomes even in his worst doors-falling-off-the-car excesses. The Rafa one is kind of dull attritional crap like the manager. No one in their right mind would vote for Jenas.

Special shout-out to BAE for being in this category and actually turning it round.

Poll needs Rooney, by the way.

Voted for Robinson anyway.

100% otm, that's the frustrating thing about matt, the boy can clearly post when his head's right and he's on his game etc

Lennon was headed down bae route too, turning around those guys as well as dawson, kaboul et al is a major reason arry gets kudos from me.

Also genuinely no one remembers Robbie Keane any more.

A fat, shit, jittery fraud of a professional athlete

Poll needs Rooney, by the way.

Everybody has a vendetta against him though, it seems

oh you have that fuckin luxury matt

I don't really care about spurs, however that précis of Robinson's spurs career was beautiful. Thank you.

pleasure!

those expressing surprise at robinson's ranking need to search the first ever 'jol out' imo.

Clearly sets out that jol's failings were, iirc, the selection of an uncommitted berbatov (lol ok hands up here), a wastrel jenas, keane at right wing and numerous other selection goofs, but the key point, iterated three times (again iirc) was that he was still picking paul robinson. Jol was a secondary target but he stood in the way of the mission, it wasn't really personal but the guy was asked nicely more than once to step aside so we could harpoon mooby dick

i remember repeating to many people that robinson gets beaten by shots from outside the area more than any other keeper in living memory, not an official stat I'd researched but an impression I'd picked up from you. Was always a pleasure watching MOTD and knowing that there would be one such goal at least in a Spurs or Blackburn net.

Oh wow, I normally try and stay out of the meta threads but that total banger of a post justifies them all imo. Glad I opened this one.

Voted Jenas.

oh, there's an official stat alright. Robinson was the least effective player (not just gk) in the league as measured by opta or one of em based on performance in job-specific tasks in his last full season with us - this is all iirc, but i'm p sure.

He was the worst-performing first-choice gk on that chart for two out of three years (may have covered some blackburn time here).

His shots on target against vs goals conceded ratio one year was, iirc, 57%. Think about that for a while.

final 2011/12 opta stats are fuckin incredible, actually.

Conceded twelve from outside the box (next worst- seven from the lamentably slow wayne hennessy)

% shots saved 51.28 %

51.2fuckin8

iirc he was the one who ran over to commiserate with the fans after relegation while the other players slunk away

you'd take those odds as a striker!! Opposing Manager : Have a shot today lads there's a 50% chance it goes in!
xp

well tbph 'slinking away' was not an option for the lad, was it? He's the size of a couch and wears lime green.

He went over to shout "Kean out" with the fans.

but seriously? How could any manager look himself in the mirror picking him? albeit his spurs performances weren't quite that bad, but Fulham had a guy saving 80+% of shots that season

robinson has played for england 41 times

what's his save % for em

0% on shots from gary neville

i remember him being sort of boosted in that 'leighton baines is arguably one of the best left sided players in the world' way, then around 2006 the commentariat decided he wasn't that great for england

pretty sure these murmurs happened before the backpass in zagreb

but he must have been at least reasonably competent up to say 2005?

check the jol out premier, i'd already given up by then

Robinson was outstanding in his first season for Spurs, not quite as great in his second but still competent, from 2006 onwards was when it started to go wrong. I think something just went in his head. Even when he was good for us his shot stopping was always a lot better than his distribution and command of a penalty area.

Arse-nal Wronger more like !

Signs a second rate balding frog Pascal Cygan - sells younger england defender Matthew Upson for less to Brum City

Seaman goes - has the choice of say Sorenson, or Paul Robinson - decides to sign an older 2nd rate german with a perm - Jens Lehmann.

i tell this arse-nal wenger got it wronger !

― DJ Martian (djmartian), Wednesday, August 13, 2003 9:29 PM (9 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

none of that is edited i assure you....

Drop Heskey, play Rooney alongside Owen. Never, ever allow Gerrard to be injured again. Teach Paul Scholes how to pass or drop him - replace with Jenas. Wait 18 months for Carlo Cudicini to become British, or install Paul Robinson and keep him there. Vassell has never been good enough - Beattie should replace him on the bench.

― Mark C (Mark C), Tuesday, April 1, 2003 8:39 AM (9 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i'd've underlined the assertion of Gerrard's importance to the team tbh

Did Scholes go to Euro 2004? (yes) Did Jenas? (no) Did England win it? (yes)

when i arrived kicking and screaming at ile i was considered clueless and brattish. History, i trust, will prove i wasn't totally clueless.

But, alas, it'll be too late for us to get ziegler or tainio back ;_;

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

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tough sell

didnae vote

couldn't decide

think it should be rafa, but after that passionate plea for robinson i had to abstain

given that you weren't round for jol out that's not an unfair position

i used to read ilx back in those days but very seldom posted and never on ile

occasionally i find the odd post spread across several logins, usually about some marginal noise lp i have forgotten

don't ffs you'll have lj scrabbling for the scrapbook

typed thst post on a fuckin nokia 5230 fyi

next poll gary doherty, gardner, ghaly and atouba imo

did nobody pull a tribute display name first time round?

i must've been more depressed than i thought

if the cunt were a surgeon he'd be up on murder charges the cunt is the one i'd parade around ilx with tbh, i'm in combative form

negligent manslaughter doesn't have the same ring to it

there's yer gradgrind there nv

how do u feel about juande ramos these days?

never juanwé or the other about him tbh

ppl said they should have got sevilla's talented sporting director monchi instead, but then he ended up signing zokora for more than tottenham paid for him

as a come-hither, perhaps

Ramos is doing pretty well at Dnipro Dniepropetrovsk at the moment. Could see a return to one of Europe's big ten leagues on the cards.

kalinic has nearly 1 in 2 for them

kalinic is rightly going to obtain the patronage of a hoy hoy as THE NEXT ZLATAN sometime next season after a backheel thru the legs of kieran gibbs, followed by a £16m january move to juventus and a bidone d'oro

― nakhchivan, Monday, 22 March 2010 11:16

it's just taking a bit longer

he's just the less-fetishised zlatan

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/08_02/jolDM1608_468x772.jpg

amazing

Trying to think on last year's squad, only adebayor, naughton and gallas worthy of thought i think, and they're all recognised as problems by avb it seems.

Life's good

Kyle Naughton (born 11 November 1988) is an English footballer who plays full back for Tottenham Hotspur. He is a product of Sheffield United's centre of excellence and academy.

Hes a little cunt who clearly has two ears for praise and none for criticism

jenas is a kind of pure evil, i'm starting to fully realise

"k3vin k in on MRF/IMP" missing from the poll options

He is an innocent vessel for the worst flaws of mankind, it is fucking miltonesque the process that occurs

Still maintain that physically/skillwise he could have matched yr gerrards et al

xp hearty lol

list of yr gerrards

1 yr steven gerard

2 yr scott parker

yr barry, yr milner

hes going to be playing next to scotty p next season

Lower level than yr hudds yr lamps obv

Give me yr poor, yr weak, yr thudded passes

I feel like Jenas ought to match up to a schoolkid archetype, but who? I've a hazy recollection of a couple of kids who were perfectly smart and athletic and on the face of it fairly cool, but never hung out much or actually joined bands or played sport or anything. They were just kind of nebulous presences at school and eventually left to take over their dad's shop or something. They never even went in for bullying. I guess they were never going to be memorable types, if they even existed.

i remember one of those kids, assume he's a PE teacher somewhere now

He comes across well in interviews, blandly friendly, like a young oil exec on the weekend

I saw him giving a tour of his mansion on a kids' version of football focus (may have been one of LG's?). He had a great big, dark office with a massive desk: "this is where I download my music"

is jenas an epl player any more

circa 2002 he was an upper midtable player

circa 2009 probably lowermid

id think he could hack it at prospective 16th place finisher hull city

i can't even recall how or what he did for whom last year, did he get a run out at qpr? was his villa injury the season before? ijdk

float like a butterfly sting like a butterfly

butterdish morelike

not really tho, he stayed alarmingly rawboned for a lad that never played tbf

thinner old paul robinson was on SSN bemoaning how britain tells it's shit goalies that they're shit which he feels they oughtn't do really it doesnt help

joe hart was getting the soapy titwank treatment on tv over the weekend

apparently if the goalkeeper is only called into action because a defender made a stupid mistake, he doesn't really have any obligation to try to save the resulting shot

you can see that at least the blame is shared round, but as i note upthread when you have a gk that yr defence can't trust it does awful things to em too

the nation's commentariat are under the misapprehension that paul robinson was a good goalkeeper whose confidence was shattered rather than a fairly crappy player whose career regressed to the mean eventually

i sometimes wonder if paul robinson didnt turn me into the football fan i am today

Fulham 1 Swansea 2: Shelvey hands strugglers fourth defeat in a row, as final whistle is greeted with chorus of 'Jol out'

he's not very good

heard scotty parker scored an audacious chip

Nah he tried to cunt it nononsensically outta the stadium but all that would escape his hips was the feeble puff shown

Never did write that 2005 girl

tho the experience gained has me advising treeship to let her go on other threads, we were all 2005 once or something idk

Last night I called 999 and declared war on Northumbria police before shooting an officer on the West End A69 roundabout in his T5. Sitting there waiting to bully someone. Probably a single mum who couldn't afford her car tax.

Rang again and told them they're gonna pay for what they've done to me and Sam. I went straight but they couldn't let it go.

The public need not fear me but the police should as I won't stop till I'm dead.

On the night 3/7/10 I shot Chris Brown and Samantha Stobbart, after an argument earlier that evening, and here I will make all the facts clear so there is no misunderstanding.

They took it all from me, kids, freedom, house, then Sam and Chanel. Where could I go from there? Obviously I have issues but I was pushed. I never beat my kids. I could simply admit to anything now cos it doesn't matter.

I'm a killer and a maniac but I ain't no coward.

I was terrified of losing Sam, as I knew I'd lose the plot and that, and not wanted to do so stopped me from ever beating her and anyone saying otherwise can go on a lie detector.
Now I've realised Sam is really hurt I am gutted. I never meant that.

Moat then threatens to target hospital staff if they fail to save his ex-girlfriend.

Those doctors better save her or I'll hit that hospital. I still love her despite everything but my head is a mess right now and I know I'm too far gone to make much sense of it.

I guess I've finally lost it. I'm not on the run, I will keep killing police until I am dead.

They've hunted me for years, now it's my turn.

I am very sorry about Sam and wish I hadn't shot at her. Just make sure she stays alive.

I never cheated on her, I wish she hadn't on me. She pulled the trigger by doing so just as much as me.

― ,,,,,,eeeeleon (darraghmac), Tuesday, 6 July 2010 12:18 (4 years ago)

Never did write that 2005 girl

― 30 ch'lopping days left to umas (darraghmac), Saturday, 23 November 2013

not likely to rly at this stage, it is gone, gone and I shall hide my face amid a crowd of stars

jenas surprisingly not too awful talking shit on tv

it helps that he has a friendly demeanour and is sort of photogenic in that jamie redknapp way rather than the sort of grunting neanderthal former utility players who constitute the majority of that profession

the cabbie on the way back had talksport on (surprisingly tolerable when it's just rapidfire transfer news) and then whatever bbc piece of shit in which jermaine jenas was explaining how adebayor was not difficult or lazy but just mistreated by arrogant avb, and sure to be a hit in the aaaaarrrghs' dressing room when he appears to save them from relegation

look I won't be one bit surprised he scores ten league goals but everyone knows he's a dead weight at spurs.

I'd be only half surprised jenas doesnt tog out for arry tween now and may tbh

Jenas unaware of Adebayor's pre-Spurs career maybe

Jermain's a good lad is jermain

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-3103123/Real-Madrid-job-Rafa-Benitez-dreamed-used-tell-club-meant-Liverpool.html

good luck to him I say

http://i.imgur.com/WXkycRo.jpg

Trippier signed, surely the end for Walker/Naughton, just need to sort out left-back now

No other forward in English football history, perhaps, has ever looked as though he grew up dreaming of being a left-back as Rooney.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/sep/20/anthony-martial-manchester-united-wayne-rooney-southampton

jonathan wilson owes u royalties

https://twitter.com/Blaugra_Nah/status/650775852179849216

Harsh on the fat lad

still didnt write that 2005 girl

cant believe i never posted itt about the time i was strolling the south quays at temple bar and passed an italian restaurant window and who was in there alone at a table and it fuckin heavin with grub enough for six but fatty robinson how i didnt go and check behind the cistern for a fuciin revolver ill never know

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DDjh8j8XgAQeR1q.jpg

if i may make a case for the ahem defence

trippier has been limited but ok til this season, with a brilliant right foot and a neat line in getting his cross in from most angles and situations

his attacking form has certainly dipped but his defensive performance is only slightly beneath what we're used to (not far off walker at his best, rly)

given there's no better alternative at the club its kind of on poch not to have set out the required baseline rules and i was more than half serious when i suggested that one of our two defensive leaders (more likely one per full back) should be kicking arse on the pitch regarding offside trap and getting caught wrong side of his man (the two likeliest and most damaging sins)

add this to the pretty enormous workload poch puts on his fullbacks (central defensive players get away with murder imo) and outside of the heat of the game i can take a measured view that trippier looks awful in a system that has continued to ensure he gets hammered with his own flaws every week.

the fucking cunt

Trippier signed, surely the end for Walker/Naughton, just need to sort out left-back now

― imago, Friday, 19 June 2015 16:40 (three years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

brilliant

this is not an incorrect position, taking into account that the alternatives were walker and trippier

walker was improved by poch removing him from certain *situations*, walker (like most players post first england cap) has never improved in himself tactically or mentally. he is still the likeliest weak link of any team in which he plays.

naughton is well let me say rather that kyle walker-peters is an upgrade

the great unmentioned is aurier, whose capacity for reckless fuckups dwarves auriers, whose positional awareness makes a baresi of trippier, whose inconsistency of delivery in attack makes sissoko look (even more) like xavi

trippier's damage to this team is something poch can contain but not remove, and hes already done it once with a stupider player

i can take a measured view that trippier looks awful in a system that has continued to ensure he gets hammered with his own flaws every week.

― deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Wednesday, May 1, 2019 7:37 AM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

trippier is bad at his main job and has gotten bad at the secondary bit that used to make him being bad at his man job acceptable i hope he dies

― deemsthelarker (darraghmac), Tuesday, April 30, 2019 10:45 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Just sayin', like.

deems vaudeville

theyre both valid angles and i can take both as required

trippier has no inherent limiter on not playing the opposition onside or being the wrong side of his man. nothing and nobody makes him cross the ball as stupidly and poorly as he did last night and many times this season his lazy execution or planning of a pass has cost us or almost cost us. hes a professional footballer and absurdly easy on himself about not cleaning up his own sloppiness. no pass from me for that.

all of these things have been observable from day one this season and no alternative has been realistically available, save for aurier or kwp stepping up (neither has consistently done so so as to be an actual replacement). we have tried each and have played sissoko either there or in an alternate role or in a niche babysitting role at times. we are now playing a young centre half there at times. its safe to say a problem is recognised.

being unwilling to relax the demands on the position in order to perhaps safeguard or refocus on the positional/defensive area of the game seems not to be a valid consideration- blind spot from the manager here imo but the squad is in bits and what can you do. so in knowing the cunt will fuck us again and again, youd allow that a manager might attempt whatever is in his power to ameliorate or mitigate, so poch out an all

ask me about serge aurier, go on

kepa is the new paul robinson, but cost 60 times more

this is like the 20th time i've clicked on this thread forgetting it's on ILF