please help me parse this fuckin NWW list

love the obvious ones, keep stumblin on ones ive never heard of in my internet travels -- anyone have strong posi/h8r feelings about list entries?

for ref. has this been polled? i don't care, i don't care about polls

The list

Agitation Free
Pekka Airaksinen (Sperm)
Airway (Los Angeles Free Music Society)
Albrecht D
Alcatraz
Älgarnas Trädgård
ALL-7-70 (Alan Sondheim)
Alternative TV
Alvaro Peña-Rojas (The 101ers)
Ame Son
AMM
Amon Düül
Amon Düül II
Anal Magic and Reverend Dwight Frizzel
Anima/Anima Sound (Paul and Limpe Fuchs)
Annexus Quam
Aqsak Maboul
Arbete och Fritid
Arcane V
Archaïa
Archimedes Badkar
Area
Gilbert Artman (Urban Sax, Lard Free, Operation Rhino)
Art Bears
Art Zoyd
Arzachel
Robert Ashley
Ash Ra Tempel
Association P.C. (Pierre Courbois)
Il Balletto di Bronzo
Banten
Franco Battiato
Han Bennink
Steve Beresford
Jacques Berrocal
Philippe Besombes
Biglietto per l'Inferno
Birgé Gorgé Shiroc (Jean-Jacques Birgé, Un Drame Musical Instantane)
Blue Sun
Raymond Boni
Don Bradshaw Leather
Brainstorm
Brainticket
Brast Burn
Brave New World
Anton Bruhin
Brühwarm Theatre
Cabaret Voltaire
John Cage
Can
Capsicum Red
Captain Beefheart
Chamberpot
Checkpoint Charlie
Theatre du Chene Noir
Chillum
Henri Chopin
Chrome
Cohelmec Ensemble
Jean Cohen-Solal
Collegium Musicum
Roberto Colombo
Come (later Whitehouse)
Companyia Elèctrica Dharma
Comus
Cornucopia
Crass
Creative Rock
Cromagnon
David Cunningham
Cupol (a Wire side project)
Dadazuzu (only ever made 1 track for a compilation release)
Wolfgang Dauner
Debris'
Decayes
Dedalus
The Deep Freeze Mice
Deutsch-Amerikanische Freundschaft
Dharma Quintet
Dies Irae
Dome (Another Wire side project)
Doo-Dooettes (Los Angeles Free Music Society)
Philippe Doray
Roger Doyle (Operating Theatre)
Jean Dubuffet
Dzyan
Eiliff
Emtidi
Eroc (Grobschnitt)
Etron Fou Leloublan
Exmagma
Family Fodder
Patrizio Fariselli (Area)
Faust
Luc Ferrari
Fille Qui Mousse
Floh de Cologne
Flying Lizards
Food Brain
Förklädd Gud
Walter Franco
Free Agents (Pete Shelley)
Friendsound
Fred Frith
Gash
Ron Geesin
Gila
Jef Gilson
Glaxo Babies
Gomorrha
Gong
Good Missionaries (Alternative TV)
Le Grand Magic Circus
John Greaves and Peter Blegvad (Henry Cow/Slapp Happy)
Fernando Grillo
Ragnar Grippe
Grobschnitt
Group 1850
Jean Guérin
Franz De Byl
Friedrich Gulda
Guru Guru
Hairy Chapter
Hampton Grease Band
Henry Cow
Pierre Henry
Heratius
Hero
Juan Hidalgo
Hugh Hopper
Horde Catalytque Pour La Fin
Horrific Child
Ibliss
L'Infonie
International Harvester
Iskra
Island
Martin Davorin-Jagodic
Jan Dukes de Grey
King Crimson
Basil Kirchin
Osamu Kitajima
Kluster
Frank Köllges
Komintern (Red Noise)
Kraftwerk
Krokodil
Steve Lacy
Lard Free (Urban Sax)
Le Forte Four (Los Angeles Free Music Society)
Lemon Kittens
Lily (band)
Limbus 3/Limbus 4
Bernard Lubat
Alvin Lucier
Magical Power Mako
Magma
Colette Magny
Mahjun
Mahogany Brain
Radu Malfatti and Stephan Wittwer
Mama Dada 1919
Michael Mantler
Albert Marcoeur
Mars
Maschine NO 9 (Krautrock supergroup)
Philippe Mate and Daniel Vallancien
Costin Miereanu
Min Bul
Mnemonists (Biota)
Modry Efekt
Moolah
Anthony Moore
Mothers of Invention
Moving Gelatine Plates
Fritz Müller
Thierry Müller (Ilitch)
Musica Elettronica Viva
Music Improvisation Company
Mythos
Napoli Centrale
Negativland
Neu!
New Phonic Art
Nico
Night Sun
Nihilist Spasm Band
Nine Days Wonder (band)
Nosferatu
Nu Creative Methods
Oktober
Yoko Ono
Operation Rhino
Opus Avantra
Orchid Spangiafora
Out of Focus
Ovary Lodge (Keith Tippett)
Tony Oxley
Evan Parker and Paul Lytton
Pataphonie
Jean-François Pauvros and Gaby Bizien
Pere Ubu
Pierrot Lunaire
Der Plan
Plastic Ono Band
Plastic People of the Universe
Poison Girls
Pôle (Philippe Besombes and Jean Louis Rizet)
Pop Group
Michel Portal
Bomis Prendin
Public Image Ltd
Red Krayola
Red Noise (French band)
Reform Art Unit
Steve Reich
Achim Reichel
The Residents
Catherine Ribeiro and Alpes (French band)
Boyd Rice (NON)
Terry Riley
Claudio Rocchi
Rocky's Filj
Ron 'Pate's Debonairs
Dieter Roth, Gerhard Rühm, & Oswald Wiener
Ray Russell (musician)
Terje Rypdal
Martin Saint Pierre
Samla Mammas Manna
Gunter Schickert
Second Hand
Secret Oyster
Seeselberg
Semool
Sonny Sharrock
Silberbart
Siloah
Soft Machine
Smegma (Los Angeles Free Music Society)
Sally Smmitt (Sally Timms/Mekons)
Alan Sondheim
Snatch (Judy Nylon)
Sperm (Pekka Airaksinen)
Sphinx Tush (Only made two tracks)
Stooges
Karlheinz Stockhausen
Demetrio Stratos (Area)
Supersister
Taj Mahal Travellers
Tamia
Tangerine Dream
Ghédalia Tazartès
Technical Space Composers Crew
Mama Béa Tekielski
Third Ear Band
Thirsty Moon
This Heat
Jacques Thollot
Thrice Mice
Throbbing Gristle
Paolo Tofani (Area)
Tokyo Kid Brothers
Tolerance
Tomorrow's Gift
Ton Steine Scherben
TransMuseq
Uli Trepte (Guru Guru)
Twenty Sixty Six and Then
Univers Zero
Christian Vander (musician) (Magma (band))
Velvet Underground
Vertø
Patrick Vian
L. Voag (The Homosexuals)
Michel Waisvisz
Igor Wakhevitch
Lawrence Weiner
Trevor Wishart
James White and the Contortions
Whitehouse
Wired
Woorden
Robert Wyatt
Xhol Caravan/Xhol
Iannis Xenakis
Ya Ho Wha 13
La Monte Young
Frank Zappa
Zweistein
ZNR

Started listing the ones I love, and by 'C' it started getting too long. Any in particular you want to know?

Jacques Berrocal did the original 'Rock 'n' Roll Station' FYI

Special <3 for Pôle & Ghédalia Tazartès

i guess im mostly interested in hearing other people ride for some of the more obscure artists -- what you said was great!

pôle, definitely

the arzachel album is completely unfuckwithable. essential

second hand is also an amazing psych record

the mate & vallancien album is worth tracking down (looks like its available on the internet) great textural space jazz stuff

i have the debris' album but it never made much of an impression on me tbh

Because it's boring.

There was a good ver. of the list that specified which album/piece by each artist made the list. Fr'instance it ain't Alt TV's first album 'The Image Has Cracked', rather the weird 'Vibing Up The Senile Man' which has Gen-P on it. Likewise Robert Ashley's 'Automatic Writing' directly inspired the NWW album 'A Missing Sense':

A Missing Sense was originally conceived as a private tape to accompany my taking of LSD. When in that particular state, Robert Ashley's Automatic Writing was the only music I could actually experience without feeling claustrophobic and paranoid. We played it endlessly; it seemed to become part of the room, perfectly blending with the late night city ambience and the 'breathing' of the building. I decided to make my own version using the basic structure of Ashley's masterpiece, but making it more personal, adding natural sound that I could hear in my environment. It should be played at very low volume.

i love the Debris record

it has a track called 'New Smooth Lunch', ffs

My buddy at work was real flipped out over NWW and the list for a while, I've heard some of the more obscure ones from him.
He burned some Magical Power Mako records for me, including the "Hapmoniym" box. Keiji Haino pops up on some of his stuff, I guess?
I haven't pulled that stuff out in a while but it's all pretty interesting. lol cdrs.
xpost I love the Debris record, too. "Leisurely Waiting" ftw.

Anton Bruhin's "Vom Goldabfischer" is a fun record. There's a great song called "Hüp Hüp" that's like some Alpine goat-milker's theme as performed with guitars and the hollow percussive sound that D-Day from Animal House makes when he performs the William Tell Overture on his throat.

always gets a smile when it's shuffled to on the mp3 player

i spent some time delving into this stuff, and didn't like most of it. these were the exciting finds from the early music blogs (mutant sounds, etc). it's like tracking down all of the Homosexuals-related records. i tried a few, didn't like, gave up. most of it, to me, is curio rather than classic.

aside from the really obvious ones, some of my favorites:
ZNR – Barricade 3 (in my pantheon)
Patrick Vian (kinda heldon-lite but still good)
Thierry Müller (Ilitch) - both Ilitch lps are great (i think there's only 2?)
Anthony Moore - i love 'Flying Doesn't Help'
Cupol and Dome (pantheon)
Family Fodder (panth.)
Der Plan - (early records in panth.)

i could have sworn Pascal Comelade and Pinhas /Heldon were on this list...

I love that Hampton Grease Band are on here.

It's always difficult taking out the 'obvious' ones, as you can never tell what people have and haven't heard. So I'm going on the premise that someone who I assume knows something about music has come round to my house, and these are the ones that I would bug out about with great enthusiasm:

Art Bears
Robert Ashley

Brainticket
Comus
Cromagnon
The Deep Freeze Mice

Deutsch-Amerikanische Freundschaft
Etron Fou Leloublan
Ron Geesin
Horrific Child

Magical Power Mako

Plastic People of the Universe

Christian Vander (musician) (Magma (band))
Trevor Wishart
Ya Ho Wha 13

I guess a lot of those are still fairly obvious, but among them are some of my favourites of all time. Would listen to nothing but stuff off this list and still be happy, to be honest.

"most of it, to me, is curio rather than classic."

oh but no! try again! so much essential music on there.

friendsound album one of my favorite albums by some of my favorite people. for what its worth.

i mean, this is some of the most important music of the 1970's. mostly 1970's. if you start at the top and work your way down you will be a brighter and better person by the end of your trip.

Do you think 'the NWW list' is a reasonable answer to that horrible question 'what sort of stuff do you listen to'? Because it's probably the closest to accurate for me these days.

I think that is one of the better answers to that question.

Jan Dukes de Grey is really good if you're into Comus and ISB and stuff like that.

i don't even really listen to nww, but i definitely feel a kinship with people like that. they are omnivores when it comes to sound, and so am i. when christoph heemann came into my store a while back - he has collaborated with nww and david tibet and all those guys - i could have talked to him for hours about music. and i just wanted to give him stuff that he hadn't heard. we ended up talking about priscilla paris records and 60's pop like that. my kinda guy! he's OPEN and open people are my kinda people. i think he would dig the xian concept album about narnia i was playing this morning.

http://d21uwzfkfy2yiv.cloudfront.net/2nd_chapter_of_acts_roar_of_love-SPR-1033-1263868192.jpeg

MOOLAH MOOLAH MOOLAH.

I thought the Hampton Grease Band rekkerd was kinda dumb.

Sonny Sharrock... you heard of that band the Velvet Underground? pretty good...

think you'd like Mnemonists...

the LAFMS stuff is a vast field but rewarding and totally fascinating.

I like Algarnas Tradgard.

all time love for: Robert Ashley, Luc Ferrari, Pierre Henry, Ash Ra Tempel, Amon Duul, Ya Ho Wa, International Harvester... that's some of the more 'obvious' stuff i think. Neu & Can etc need no introduction.

you should check out Wolfgang Dauner... a part of the eurojazz world yer living in now.

I like Third Ear Band's "Alchemy" LP but I don't know how much you'd care for it.

i would kinda kill to have an original copy of the dies irae album.

i don't even really listen to nww, but i definitely feel a kinship with people like that. they are omnivores when it comes to sound, and so am i. when christoph heemann came into my store a while back - he has collaborated with nww and david tibet and all those guys - i could have talked to him for hours about music. and i just wanted to give him stuff that he hadn't heard. we ended up talking about priscilla paris records and 60's pop like that. my kinda guy! he's OPEN and open people are my kinda people. i think he would dig the xian concept album about narnia i was playing this morning.

― scott seward, Friday, February 18, 2011 4:50 PM (33 minutes ago) Bookmark

ahhhhh scott yr the best

and ian, both 3EB (LOL third eye blind) and w. dauner are on my shortlist of NWW listees to check out!

scott, that's not the "Dialogue" LP yer talkin' about is it? That one has a track abt C.S. Lewis and sells for $$$

the christian album? no, its the 2nd chapter of acts. a thrift store staple. i posted a picture. does it show up? well, their other albums are thrift store staples. don't think i've seen the narnia album at a thrift store. its seriously over the top. i was enjoying it! one of those albums that doesn't actually mention jesus. cuz, you know, the lion was jesus.

these are worth checking imo

Agitation Free
Älgarnas Trädgård
Arbete och Fritid
Robert Ashley
Brast Burn
Decayes
Doo-Dooettes (Los Angeles Free Music Society)
Family Fodder
Luc Ferrari
International Harvester
Kluster
Albert Marcoeur
Mars
Moolah
Gunter Schickert
Smegma (Los Angeles Free Music Society)
Taj Mahal Travellers
This Heat
L. Voag (The Homosexuals)

Lemon Kittens - one of my favorite bands ever, the recordss are super expensive though
Glaxo Babies are great if u like postpunk
Albert Marcoeur's records are awesome
Mnemonists and especially Biota = all time greats, same problem with oop vinyl though
Posion Girls are also a personal fave, but not for everyone (political cabaret peace punk)
i think Milton started a Ribiero thread raving about those records
Ghédalia Tazartès - also great
Thirsty Moon, Univers Zero - mmm, jazzy euro-prog

been listening to lots of alan sondheim recently. really dig wolfgang dauner's "output" record, great cover too (been looking for his et cetera krautrock stuff for ages). other than that (from the "less obvious"[?] stuff): music improvisation company, nihilist spasm band and the cromagnon record are all great. surprised just music aren't on the list, fits in well with it anyway. and i second the third ear band, first three especially. oh yeah, and that guru guru/trepte record that came out on united dairies is a blast.

kinda weird that popol vuh aren't on this list, imo.

it would be interesting to see a counterlist of things that could've been on there but aren't for whatever reason. as to yahowha, i've liked everything i've been able to hear so far, even the sixth root race record, but penetration, an aquarian symphony has some unbelievably intense moments.
i'm assuming that the recording of this list on the recent chance meeting with... reissue with it's "this music is all shit" or something similar spoken at the very end is a piece of high irony.

i laughed anyway.

been listening to lots of alan sondheim recently. really dig wolfgang dauner's "output" record, great cover too (been looking for his et cetera krautrock stuff for ages).

There's a live appearance on one of the volumes of the Krautrock Nacht dvds by Et Cetera. Not sure which cos it's been a while since I watched that. You might find the set up at Tradersden or somewhere.
Demonoid recently had Output upped.

Really trying to think when I met him. He was at a GMIT art dept graduate exhibition. I can't think how long ago that was, could be as early as 2003, could be a couple of years later.
Oh yeah he also djed for a friend of mine's club one night, which was probably 2007ish.
Anyway first time I met him he was saying that he would probably change a lot of the list's contents if he was doing it at a different time.

By the time I met him he'd discovered Perez Prado, not sure if that was connected to the Guinness ad which was popular at one time.

Kind of surprised that OHO weren't on the list after recently discovering their Okinawa lp. Thought that was one place they were famous from.

Only know the 'Docteur Faust' by Igor Wakhévitch but LOVE 'Sang Poupre' off that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeHMYBiWU7k

i think searching for igor wakhevitch is how i found ILX. dominique leone had written something about him.

thinking some more about some of these based on my listening experience:

actively disliked the Alvaro "drinking my own sperm" record

didn't really like Don Bradshaw Leather

Zweistein, while cool in concept, kinda falls flat

i am not a big Anima fan but I really like Limpe Fuchs' later solo stuff (mostly on CD)

all the LAFMS stuff is worth at least a listen as noted upthread.

I'm a big AMM fan but their catalog is treacherous and hardly anything is on vinyl except the early $$ stuff and "It Was An Ordinary Enough Day" and "Generative Themes" both of which are meh, their later CDs are where the good stuff is imo.

Anal Magic rec is good

Art Zoyd & Area are RIO related iirc, which might be up yer alley since you've been digging Canterbury

Banten rec is good, so is Emtidi in the same vein

out of all the kraut stuff on this (and there is a LOT) Brainticket might be my fave, there's a poll of second-tier Kraut bands around on ILM somewhere. Agitation Free's 1st 2 are good, don't know the later ones and am scared of them.

Crass are obviously the greatest band ever.

Cupol rec is good, I used to own it. All the Dome stuff is worth a listen as well.

Pierre Henry is dependably awesome, I only have one of the huge CD box sets and it is great.

all Pop Group and Red Krayola pre-reunion recs (excluding the Krayola's "Black Snakes") are all time great.

NON's high point for me is unquestionably Blood & Flame, the Rise 12" is OK, can't vouch for the rest.

i fucking love Sally Timms and have solo recs of hers but that Smitt thing is boring.

Tokyo Kid Brother I found kinda pretentious and overblown despite the heavyweight rep.

Gong, 1st three albums are all time.

What a great list! If nothing else, it made me realize that I should be listening to/seeking out way more Kraut, Postpunk, Musique Concrète, Neue Deutsche Welle, Anarcho/Peace Punk, No Wave, Psych, and early electronic stuff than I've currently been doing.

aside from the ones that I know Pete knows, I like these in rough order from most to least -

Debris - heard this 3 or 4 years ago, keep going back to it. An all time fave
Friendsound - great late 60s psych, supposedly members of Paul Revere and the Raiders in the studio on mushrooms or something
Catherine Ribeiro and Alpes - heard No. 2, Paix, Le Temps l'AUtre, like em all
Igor Wakhevitch - Docteur Faust and Hathor both great, ditto that I heard about them via ilx / dominique
Algarnas Tradgard - cool cosmic prog, reminds me of Bo Hansson but rocks a lil harder
Magical Power Mako
Ya Ho Wa 13
Moolah
Brast Burn
Seeselberg

heard but didn't like -
Taj Mahal Travellers (not a popular opinion around here probably? I didn't get it)
Dzyan - too proggy, imo. downloaded one record but deleted. seemed wanky.

curious about -
are Plastic People of the Universe any good?

this is a really good thread guyz, good work.

im sort of not interested in PPotU or YaHoWa, and imma really need someone to explain the appeal of taj mahal travelers to me. im not sure if ive ever heard them, so it's not impossible, but for some reason, i feel some aversion?

wanna hear ribeiro+alpes and algernas tradgard (though i think ive heard them) soon -- my buddy mike (who introduced me to ILX in 2k3) used to freak about igor w so much.

i think i might try to pull together an All NWW List show this week, though it may be shamefully kraut-centric.

Art Bears - have owned both 'winter songs' & 'hopes and fears'. sold winter songs and am currently trying to sell 'hope songs'. never got into henry cow and kinda not really into dagmar's voice.
Robert Ashley - fell in love recently w/private parts and the video operas that are on youtube because 69's always talking about him. so great.
Franco Battiato - love the first few records. later stuff is kinda boring. selling 'Echoes Of Sufi Dances'. it's not bad, just sorta boring.
Han Bennink - euro free jazz drummer. i think pete should check out. looks like there's a 40 min doc in dutch or german on google video that you can see him torture a drum set. pretty impressive. he worked a bunch w/ Peter Brötzmann who i also think you should check out. have you heard Last Exit? so great.
Brainticket - so so so great
Comus - amateurist sent me a cdr of their first record years ago. is he still around? these guys are great.
Deutsch-Amerikanische Freundschaft - <3 <3 <3
Dies Irae - this video is one of the greatest things on the internet
Etron Fou Leloublan - french rock in opposition prog group. selling a copy now. i'm not totally into super angular, jagged prog anymore.
Flying Lizards - love this one. are these guys like the cool/non nerdy residents? i dunno, never really listened to the residents.
Fred Frith - even tho i don't love henry cow or art bears, his 2 solo albums "gravity" & "speechless" are dope.
Ron Geesin - recognized his name from the weird album he did w/roger waters "music from the body" but didn't know until now that he orchestrated my fave pink floyd album "atom heart mother". and produced bridget st john. need to check this guy out.
Gong - i don't like the quirky early stuff. really dig the later terry riley gone funk rock sound of their late 70s records.
John Greaves and Peter Blegvad (Henry Cow/Slapp Happy). - just sold greaves' "Accident" to a friend this afternoon. really great record. artfucked bowie of sorts.
Osamu Kitajima - love this guy. japanese sorta new age. worldy, folky, proggy. kinda reminds me of jade warrior. check this track he did w/minnie ripperton doing wordless high pitched vocalizations
Michael Mantler - love anyone that has robert wyatt sing for them
Mythos - love these guys. selling a copy of dreamlab. want a copy of concrete city.
Yoko Ono - love you, boo
Evan Parker and Paul Lytton - pete is this the kinda euro jazz/free improv you're into? or more the big beat you over the head kinda stuff?
Der Plan - never fell in love w/these guys. a bit too silly. but love groups they were connected w/: pyrolator and daf
Red Krayola - always on the fence. 80s post punk stuff is cool. 60s freakout is cool. but never straight up loved.
Catherine Ribeiro and Alpes (French band) - recently picked up "Le Rat débile et l'homme des champs + Alpes". so great. french prog. tim buckley + annette peacock + weirdness.
Ray Russell (musician) - was just saying to check him out on the jaaazz thread. freaked guitar.
Terje Rypdal - another great jazz guitarist. has some stuff on ecm. spaced out 'in a silent way' type of stuff. but mixed w/like 20th cent orchestra stuff.
Samla Mammas Manna - all i know are the albums they did w/frith that i mentioned up there ^. swedish rio prog group.
Snatch (Judy Nylon) - post punk group. i heard a rad song on a brian eno comp.
Patrick Vian - been meaning to look for this record. love the cover.
Igor Wakhevitch - have the cd box set. need to revisit. only loved dr faust the first time because the other albums were too ambient spacey synthy, but those sound right up my alley now.
Robert Wyatt - all time favorite
ZNR - hector zazou's thing. always thought was a lil plinky plonky, but people who's taste i really appreciate love this guy, so...

In defense of Taj Mahal Travellers, I much prefer the 1st LP (1972) and the August 1974 2LP that was reissued on P-Vine. The Oz Days stuff and that Stockholm concert bootleg aren't as immediately tactile. But it is floaty and amorphous at heart. Immersion music, not background music.

Would also second jaxon's Fred Frith, Flying Lizards, and Han Bennink recs (Bennink has also played w/The Ex)

Pataqphonie, New Phonic Art, and L'Infonie fall under what I would consider the large avant orchestra heading.

Decayes are a pretty crazed US band, worth a listen, on Mutant Sounds I think.

In the Art Bears maybe Dagmar's voice is a bit harsh and commanding, but put her in the softer settings of Slapp Happy and I melt.

I much prefer the Hector Zazou solo rec from the late 80's that I have to the ZNR stuff.

oh also that Michael Mantler/Edward Gorey/Robert Wyatt/Carla Bley album is gold.

more love for arzachel pls

maybe ill come by tomorrow afternoon and jam some NWW list shit w u jaxon...

i just bought-it-now a copy of the greaves/blegvad LP the other day, and im very much looking forward to hearing it. i think i used to feel about parson sound the way i feel about taj mahal travelers, but i now enjoy parson sound a lot, so maybe TMT are right around the corner.

hey also, i could be interested in nurse with wound's own records and also throbbing gristle. i know this is now officially thread-abuse, but i dont care on ILV. please feel free to weigh in on that stuff, too, ok?

thread-abuse put out some pretty incredible cassette only releases in the 90s. i think i went to their reunion show, but it might have just been a members-of thing and the main guy wasn't there.

never heard evan parker, jaxon -- i associate his name w like electronicky free improv? i could def be down.

oooh right gong! right now i wish i hadnt given my friend my little-jammed camembert electrique. i feel like im coming to a time where id love to hear it a lot. also, pink floyd. im ready for atom heart mother and meddle and animals and obscured by clouds. harvest records hurrah!

xp LOL SL i was just thinking about that fictional band as i typed that phrase

i like peter brotzmann but i have ZERO interest in last exit

evan parker has definitely done electronicky free improv, but he's also done some some blistering more free jazz-like stuff -- like Topography of the Lungs w/Bennink

also love sharrock, and dont specifically hate laswell, but the whole conceit of last exit bothers me for some reason

xp im into both those idioms!

hahahah A+ sarahel

my NWW LP POX as of today:

Sylvie & Babs (dissected kitsch)
Huffin' Rag Blues (the same but different)
Soliloquy For Lilith (dark & meditative)
Brained/Gyllenskold (spooky)
Rock & Roll Station (trippy)
An Awkward Pause (epic rock psych jamz)
Spiral Insana (perfection, my favorite)
Ostrananie 1913 (best of the early stuff)
Automating Vol. 1 (superb early comp work)
Thunder Perfect Mind (brutal noiz plus long psych jam)

TG, well, you can't go wrong with DOA or 20 Jazz Funk Greats or Heathen Earth or any of the singles (or The Endless Not).

as far as TG goes, I prefer their live recordings to their studio albums

see Pete you just need them all!

sarahel which live ones would you rate in particular? for me it's Psychic Sacrifice and Rafters.

heathen earth is great, as is live at the death factory -- i think the latter was the first TG album i ever bought, though it was actually a cassette.

things i esp like on the list

xenaxis - electronic music, devastating comp inc 'bohor' which is one of the greatest pieces of music ever, monumental and scary and a total inspiration for ppl like double leopards
l. voag - the way out - quirky britishes post-punk, great bass player
ghedalia tazartes - transports - all tazartes is gd and unclassifable, but this might be my fave
ray russell - secret asylum - contains 'stained angel morning', his all-time great gtr skronk-out
airway - live at lace - no other recs sound like this, kinda muffled noize
amm - gotta disagree w/ sleeve here, love their early albs like ammmusic and crypt, really raw free improv stuff before the whole 'thing'/genre totally codified/settled - i jam lots of their later albs too, but they're much more glacial and within a recognisable tradition (i put that down to john tilbury)
steve beresford - bath of surprise - again, 'quirky' brit improv w homemade instruments/electronics, toys etc. big fave of otomo yoshihide, this alb
alvin lucier - i am sitting in a room - well duh
anthony moore - music from the cloudland ballroom - really charmin kinda post-lamonte young vocal droning/chanting (the singers keep collapsing into laughter) plus pre-post-rock and other groundbreaking shit
nihilist spasm band - no record
tony oxley - inchos - all of oxley's late 60s albs are essential brit free improv w/ most of the big names like parker, bailey, rutherford etc - this one has never been reissued on cd and features a great cover shot of oxley's electronically augmented drum kit

keep thinkin the east bionca rec is on the list, but don't see it

so glad i bought that l.voag from my pal bob years and years ago. cuz i ain't seen another one since. love that thing.

I really do need to make more of an effort with this list. Have known some of these names *forever* but have still not got round to listening to half of them.

it takes time. and a lot of downloading unless you are made out of $$$$$. and i don't download.

i take it one day at a time. plus, i like so many kinds of music. i can only do what i can do.

just got a secret oyster album last year! didn't even remember they were on this list. good stuff.

I should clarify that I do like the 2 early AMM recs that I know were on vinyl (Ammusic and The Crypt) a lot more than the two later ones I namechecked up above.

Brainticket - so so so great
Comus - amateurist sent me a cdr of their first record years ago. is he still around? these guys are great.
Flying Lizards - love this one. are these guys like the cool/non nerdy residents? i dunno, never really listened to the residents.
Snatch (Judy Nylon) - post punk group. i heard a rad song on a brian eno comp.

co-sign all these, forgot about Snatch, "All I Want" is the jam

need to hear more Brainticket

I think I played out Flying Lizards "Herstory" at Cake Shop when Pete's band played there. The Roots sampled it on "Water."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JKehKBrDMk

co-sign all these, forgot about Snatch, "All I Want" is the jam

yes! i have it on a comp - forget the title

Maybe a good way to start with Taj Mahal Travelers is Takehisa Kosugi's "Catch Wave" solo release?
IMO any fan of free drone could fall head over heels for them. I don't listen to them very often just because I feel like they deserve undivided attention.
It's got a "holy drone" vibe, I think.

The first thread I started on ILM (Swedish prog folk) was looking for more bands who do Swedish psych folk prog the way Algarnas Tradgard and Arbete och Fritid do it. I think I like Arbete och Fritid a lot more than most people on the board. "The European Way" is so epic!

Taj Mahal Travellers C/D

It's got a "holy drone" vibe, I think.

ok sold sold sold

playing all nww list rekkerds next 2 hours, www.eastvillageradio.com (til midnight eastern us time.)

AWESOME

ok so far this debris thing is something i should already know about holy shit

as for the NWW the big discovery for me was Smegma, but I went into it repping for This Heat so they are prob my fave

i should prob not get started on NWW album recommends tho because uh ill be here all night.

Yes, ian, you star! Probably should go to bed rather than listening all night, though, it's already almost 4am.

emily the show will be archived and listenable from eastvillageradio.com under the academy records show.
most of this stuff is pretty 'surface' level...

i am putting aside the howling wolf documentary i was going to watch to listen to this. i will try to resist a full on liveblog unless other people show up on this thread tho - but i do want to say this taj mahal travelers thing is def hitting the right chord with me at the moment - also one of the more direct nwwoundy things ive heard off the list

Ah, brilliant ian, thanks. You have a lovely voice, btw.

aw thank you :)

oh and also re: the original thread question - cromagnon is one of the most mindblowing things i have ever heard (which i have to thank the metal alltime poll and emil.y for i think)

ok why the hell dont i listen to comus all the time

i know, i don't think i've pulled this record out in months.. so incredible.

this is so badass

Haha, yeah, I was responsible for getting that Cromagnon on the noms for the metal poll. Was so made up that people voted for it.

And yeah, Comus = serious genius.

ian do you do a show this time every week?

I have heard this International Harvester before, but never really paid much attention - going down a goddamn treat right now, though.

yeah i dl/ed a ton of the list, and this is reminding me why i hate doing that because i have realized that i only actually listen to stuff if i can hold it in my hands - so this is awesome.

i'm listening too! i just heard crazy ian talking!

jjusten, i don't do it EVERY week but maybe 75%-80% of the time. you can look in our show archives and it's pretty easy to figger out which shows are mine.

'crazy ian'

that should be your deejay name. all the best deejays have catchy nicknames.

DJ IJ

man steve reich is the best

seriously, he is. this is a great show to listen to stoned. or so i've heard...

btw when i say i appreciate you guys listening i REALLY do.. we consistently have the lowest number of listeners. i think that means i'm doing something right/ most weeks i play hippie rock & singer songwriter stuff with only occasionally 'weird' records sprinkled in

like i always feel like i should cram him down the throat of all my tape beetles and negativland friends (no offense to either) but he isnt really wacky enough

xpost oh tbf i will happily listen to hippie singer songwritery stuff as well

nww list for the win, if you ask me. you could make several great radio shows just out of this material. it lends itself to good radio. its radiowave music.

wait, are you playing all vinyl?

yeah i brought too many rekkerds. definitely have enough stuff for a sequel. i'm not playing any of the great postpunk, RIO, brit improv etc.

yes, skot, i am. ALL WAX.

btw i love that yer radio station playlist lists the labels for everything, thats awesome!

(an aside: if you ever find something from that (SPECIAL SECRET THING) i sent you and want to play it on your show you have my blessing. also i should prob digitize the rest of that stuff. too busy getting married and crap at the moment. but when i do i will send more stuff yer way)

Hey, you can like Tape Beatles and Negativland and Steve Reich, you know.

Anyway, I shall listen to the rest on the archive tomorrow, and hie me to sleep now.

no i like/love all of them, its just, steve reich is more work than them or residents, i have to kinda work people in slowly. the same way i use sylvie and babs as a gateway drug for NWW stuff. which never works.

yay robert ashley!

the masonic secret lies there.

this is the celebration of the changing of the light.

there;s a guy pressing his ear against the window to listen.

might follow this w/ dragging out "the courtald talks" tbh.

or maybe some bruce haack

thx for this btw ian, this is awesome

also i now realize that i have def been saying iannis wrong for a long time ha

i've probably been saying it wrong too, i just wing it.

hahahahaha this outro is hilarious to me

feel free to stay tuned and listen to two hours of DUDE ROCK!!!!

or i guess intro. either way. no offense to ACDC. but uh

no but seriously this is fucking killing me.

my show is directly after a hardcore show hosted by two of the guyz from murphys law.

please help me parse this fucking ACDC list

just some guys listening to some rock n roll music

THANK YOU again for listening friends.

i want to say more but i kinda feel like these dudes deserve their own thread

xpost nah thx to you dude, i will try to remember to tune in next week

yeah, great show. i do like murphys law and thin lizzy too.

yeah actually peeps on this thread that didnt hear this live should prob pull up the archive, this was great. just found the iphone app too, so i might dig into the back catalog a bit.

cant wait to listen today dogg!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCiHo51yw1I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qPHqGydVVQ

there;s a guy pressing his ear against the window to listen.

lol EVR is such a magnet for weirdos

used to hang out during my friend's show, it was guaranteed to get at least one drunk knocking on the window each week wanting to be let in

about to listen to this show btw

jeez dude you have all this stuff on vinyl? Debris even? jealous. (reissue?)

a lot of the stuff i played iz reissues! we still have copies of the debris reissue at the store too.

sweet never seen that one on vinyl. have to look for it next time i'm in. I just have mp3s.

rockin show btw

thanks :D

This just in from Ed the head Hardy, pre-order from Eclipse Records
Ghedalia Tazartes - Granny Awards LP $26.99 (Alga Marghen)
"alga marghen was the first label to issue on CD the 4 record LPs that Ghedalia Tazartes privately produced between the late 1970s and early 1980s, therefore contributing to the diffusion of this music among the new generations. At the same time Ghedalia Tazartes' music defined the high standard level of the alga marghen label in its early days. These great recordings are still available in their original CD editions and no surprise that alga marghen has now the privilege to bring you the pleasure of listening to a previously unpublished LP recently discovered in the artist's archives. Side 1 features 'Ferme ta gueule, Zarathustra' (i.e. 'Shut Up, Zarathustra') a long track constructed by several fragments recorded in the early 1980s that would have later composed, with different editings, some of the best parts of 'Une eclipse totale de soleil'. On side 2 we find five shorter tracks titled 'Whatever', 'Works', 'Singing', 'Wild', 'My Rock Ghedalia'. Recorded in the artist's own studio in his anhydridic Paris, these pieces are based on materials pre-dating Ghedalia Tazartes first LP Diasporas and were re-elaborated in the early 1980s to be included in this lost work of art. Ghedalia Tazartes is a nomad. The author and his doubles work without a net, freely connecting the sounds, the rhythms, his voice, his voices. He is also one of the most original artists in the sonic art scene. In these last years when cheap low-level editions are produced by kitsch-on-demand labels which can nothing but copy, falsificate and propose expensive tasteless boxsets, alga marghen brings you the 'original' edition of this wonderful music. Edition limited to 450 copies."

Comus - amateurist sent me a cdr of their first record years ago. is he still around? these guys are great.

didn't they do some shows a couple years ago?

answering my own q

Comus - C/D?

I remember toying with the idea of going to the boston show but... I didn't

missed the ya ho wha shows too

Listening to Ian's show again... so good!

:) you're a treat.

also, Dais records in brooklyn is reissuing Ghedalia Tazartes "Diasporas" later this year.

Man, there is so much to explore with this list. The input and recommendations from you all have me all excited to explore this further.

apparently 69 just got 2 third ear band records. i'd never listened to them before. listening to a few youtubes and damn, they're pretty great. i think what i'd always wanted incredible string band to sound like

do we get the same mass texts from pete?!??! i thought i was special.

ours were both personalized

Got this a few years ago (judging by the date, pretty much when it came out), assume it's still in print. Was relatively cheap, and is completely brilliant.

http://www.discogs.com/Gh%C3%A9dalia-Tazart%C3%A8s-4CD-Box/release/2628148

I would like that. I just have a few stray tracks (think I got them from Leonardo?) and they are brilliant.
I'd rather start with that than with the 30 dollar lp I posted about upthread.

Diasporas and Tazartes are my faves, both included in that box. Eclipse... I don't like quite as much.

I may just buy that, then. Not now, though. Browsing Forced Exposure right now lol.

it wasnt a mass text, just to you two fellas!

and damn these records are fuckin awesome

it's official -- THIRD EAR BAND is my favorite new thing from the list

i will put on Alchemy later in your honor, pete.

dude if you are liking 3rd Ear Band then don't sleep on their AWESOME 90's "comeback" records Magic Music and Live Ghosts, both of which are totally great and not that different from the 1st three classics.

excellent, will do!

there was also an *unreleased* 4th LP that Akarma put out, and then it seemed to quickly disappear. I tried to order it from Forced Exposure a few years ago around the time it appeared, but it was always perpetually "on backorder". Never ended up scoring a copy. Huge bummer, and I've been forced to scour the 'bay ever since.

then there is also that 'Abelard and Heloise' thing by the original band which i think only ever had a CD release, on Voiceprint (same label that does all the Soft Machine archival stuff.) Still haven't found that one either.

that one's not as good... I had it but did the burn and sell. There is a great CD EP on Voiceprint called "Radio Session", also from the 90's iirc.

Listened to Ian's show on the archive last night, really enjoyed it. Good sequencing, great segues/crossfades.

Is sonny sharrock the only black person on the list

I don't know the ethnicity of most of the list, but no others jump out at me aside from Malcolm Mooney. There are a fair few non-white people on the list, but as far as I can tell, not many black people.

feel like these guys should have really liked jazz

so racist

thought I had a winner with the Hampton Grease Band, google images says no

lotsa azns tho

yeah

I think I was thinking of Harlem River Drive

joseph bowie plays on a james white & the blacks record, but he is neither james white nor a contortion, so i think thats a no.

I thought Ghedalia Tazartes was black, I don't know why.
I remember getting a L'Infonie reissue when I was at the college station that was pretty rad, I'd like to hear it again.

ghedalia tazartes is so rad

ha, speaking of ... I just got the VOD box set in the mail *today*

JEALOUS!

I want that box so bad, didn't subscribe this year.

http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2005/09/adventures_in_t_1.html

haha didn't notice that was an old post, guess someone has been there already

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i have a few terje rypdal things but i was wondering what you guys thought were his more nww list-worthy moments?

never heard any of his solo stuff, but (maybe too obviously) his contributions to mantler's edward gorey record comes immediately to mind, given a lot of the participants on it made the list.

also if you can find it this is amazing: url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gittin%27_to_Know_Y%27All/url

his piece on that has vocals provided by the great karin krog

damn my lack of internet skillz^ lp is gittin' to know y'all recorded at the baden-baden free jazz meeting in 1969 and it's immense!

got a heck of a cover, that's for sure

for the curious, just discovered 4 discs worth of material from the baden-baden free jazz meeting at:

http://inconstantsol.blogspot.co.nz/2013/05/baden-baden-free-jazz-meeting-1969.html

haven't attempted to d/l yet, so caveat emptor etc.

i like inconstant sol

inconstant sol is pretty reliable -- has been posting free improv stuff for many years.

Also, I finally heard Lemon Kittens -- and they are totally awesome

I have been really really into them lately, even more than usual. All of Karl Blake's solo output is also totally awesome (The Underneath and Evil Twin especially, Shock Headed Peters too).

Stapleton is selling some of his record collection...

http://www.nursewithwound.co.uk/shop/?category=STEVEN%27S+VINYL+ARCHIVE

one of those black sun ensemble records is soooo much better than the other

was a photo of his collection on d.keenan's twitter feed the other day btw:

https://twitter.com/reversediorama/status/699578441834885120

arent a handful of bands on that list made up or something. i remember hearing someone tell me it was a wild goose chase sort of thing

don't think so, but I could be wrong

one of those black sun ensemble records is soooo much better than the other

hope you mean the S/T there!

Chamberpot
Checkpoint Charlie

mentally merged these two as Chamberpot Charlie. if i ever own a racehorse, well...

hope you mean the S/T there!

ja ja ja! been a looong time since i ran aghast from 'lambent flame' tbh, though maybe i might like it more now?

my advice is "don't go there"

i have that dimthings record in my store right now. it's a hard sell.

also, the Ultra album is essential.

arent a handful of bands on that list made up or something. i remember hearing someone tell me it was a wild goose chase sort of thing

Given their obscurity, some of the artists named on the list have been a mystery for many collectors.[4] Stapleton has even boasted that some of the names on the list were invented,[5] a statement absolutely refuted by John Fothergill.[6]

http://nwwlist.org/

yowza, this looks awesome - I don't think I've heard a single one of these tracks

https://finderskeepersrecords.bandcamp.com/album/strain-crack-break-music-from-the-nurse-with-wound-list-volume-one

Well, you're in for a treat. The only tracks I recognize by name are Lard Free's "Warinobaril" and the Horrific Child's "Frayeur", but they're both stone cold classics. (The Horrific Child is probably the best record JP Massiera put out.) I know the others by name - the only Mahjun I spin regularly is a dodgy audience bootleg from a '76 French rock festival but it's a jam.

I have the ZNR record the track is from, I'm sure because of the list...

Not sure if I know the particular tracks, but Etron Fou Leloublan have some great stuff, also know Horrific Child, Henry and Guerin. Which means there's still a lot for me to discover there.

I did a weird French music of the 70s comp for a friend a few years ago that had most of these tracks and/or artists on it!

Have never heard of Mahjun though.

are these all French bands?

Yes.

a lot of these artists can also be found on the first disc of https://www.discogs.com/Various-30-Ans-DAgitation-Musicale-En-France-30-Years-Of-Musical-Insurrection-In-France/release/3074205

that release is focused on super rare shit though

£97 it's rare itself!

The strain-crack-break comp is on Spotify btw

Great thread.

At this point I've heard probably around half of these.

Done a quick tot up there and I count 176 I've heard, out of... excuse while I check... 291. There is a lot of pretty terrible stuff on there, especially among the German bands.

sure, but a lot of those records (e.g. Kollektiv Rote Ruben) just had one track or even one moment that was really on the NWW radar, they didn't care abt the rest

former NWW member John Fothergill has some notes on that Strain Crack Break set I mentioned upthread:

Not a bad selection, although Steve had never heard that Pierre Henry "Malefices" track to my knowledge, and Pierre Henry was added to the list when we played him an "Orphee" extract and he was amazed how NWW it sounded. Also, Besombes was a last minute addition due to Steve just getting his "Ceci Est Celà" album. And, what's Dashiell Hedayat doing on this? He's not on the NWW list!

(note: the liner notes argue that the Hedayet album is in effect a Gong album, fair enough imo)

sure, but a lot of those records (e.g. Kollektiv Rote Ruben) just had one track or even one moment that was really on the NWW radar, they didn't care abt the rest

Yes, that makes sense, even terrible albums can have the occasional good track or moment!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8sDC23ZzBo

As ever, it seems on these occasions, frustratingly short!

Have we covered this?

https://lagowski.com/2019/03/09/nurse-with-wound-and-david-tibet-letters/

the Roger Doyle album ('Thalia') is almost a manual for a lot of NWW stuff! Keen to hear Operating Theatre (Doyle again) next.

He's released a lot of albums. Roger Doyle, that is.

The vol 2 is just coming up now, German this time...

Chamberpot
Checkpoint Charlie

mentally merged these two as Chamberpot Charlie. if i ever own a racehorse, well...

found a copy of the chamberpot lp a while back, didn't know it was on *the list*

looking through it again now 12(!) years later & given the other swedish entries, whither trad gras och stenar!?

too jammy, not enough quick cuts or weirdness (just guessing though)