Let's talk about BoJack Horseman, the new Netflix animated series (starring Will Arnett, Alison Brie, Amy Sedaris, Aaron Paul, etc)

I was surprised there doesn't seem to be any discussion on this yet, seems like it'd be right up ILXor's alley? It starts out like this Archer style super-cynical wise-crackin' show, but starts to get into some deep emotional stuff later on (we haven't watched the final four episodes of the season yet, so please don't include any spoilers about them), and so far it's been really good!

I really like how the main character is seemingly this jerk-with-a-heart-of-gold, but it turns out he's really just a jerk, and yet he's still relatable. I love all the little sight gags they get out of the fact that the world in this series in explicably populated by humans and anthropmorphic animals, like when the BoJack is about to hit an armadillo woman, and she curls into a ball and rolls away, or the Penguin publishing company with actual penguins, or when Princess Carolyn meets her rival agent, Vanessa Gekko, who turns out to be... a normal human woman. Also, the subtle nods to Aaron Paul's most famous role are kinda funny.

All in all I think this series has found a nice balance between Simpsons style absurdist gags and a continuing tragicomic plot; let's just hope the final episode don't screw this up.

"let's just hope the final episodes"

Here's a good review of the series by Willa Paskin, I think it summarizes nicely what I like about the show.

I like that Lisa Hanawalt did the designs!
Hated the first 3 episodes but the rock opera one sold me, and after that, the existential stuff.

got like ten minutes in

The episode where Bojack writes his own counter-memoir was by far my favorite, and the most moving, imo.

done watching things with bojack in the title

http://animeseal.com/movies/images/dragonball-z-bojack-unbound.jpg

never again

my girlfriend and i loved this, waaay better than i expected. i don't think you'll be disappointed in the ending tuomas.

We watched the final eps, and you're right, they didn't disappoint! Pretty heavy on the pathos (especially the penultimate episode with all the drug epiphanies), but I think they earned it, and it was nice that they didn't go for the easy route of neat closure, since the whole series has been so critical of neat closures.

But yeah, this was definitely better than I expected based on the first couple of episodes... I guess they wanted to lure the viewer in with all this quick-witted Simpsons-style humour before delving deeper into the existential stuff? I know Arnett's role in this makes the comparison easy, but I'd still say this sort of bait-and-switch cynicism-to-sympathy was kinda similar to what Arrested Development did. Apparently there'll be season 2 of BoJack, so will see whether they can keep up the quality as long AD did.

Or to put it more simply, Abbott OTM.

Also, Vincet Adultman was the best running gag I've seen in a comedy series for a while! And I loved how, in the end, even he wasn't a gag anymore (reflecting on Diane's comment on how it doesn't matter what we are "deep down").

I liked Vincent even more when I learned Maria Bamford does his voice.

I tried telling my coworkers about this show during lunch and I started tearing up a little when I talked about Bojack and Diane's final conversation. They were nice about it because, you know, BIG QUESTIONS, but I felt like a goon trying to make small talk about the tv and how the talking cartoon horse made me think.

And then cryin'.

Put on the first episode of this yesterday and ended up watching eight episodes in a row. Desperate to watch the remaining episodes but I think my boyfriend would kill me if I ploughed on ahead without him.

It made me think of Archer and Bob's Burgers immediately with its humour but with more laugh-out-loud moments. I was cracking up at Sextina Aquifina and BoJack's first childhood flashback. The pathos really snuck up on me - one minute I was laughing and then all of a sudden it was making me think about Big Thoughts and really feeling sorry for what, on surface level, are mainly unpleasant characters. I can see how people might find it both crass and cynical, and sentimental and schmaltzy, but I think it develops the characters enough to earn them sympathy.

Also:

"Well, I don’t really think about her all much. Obviously, I’m a fan of her early work, which both satirized and celebrated youth culture’s obsession with sex. But I do wonder as a third-wave feminist if it’s even possible for women to “reclaim” their sexuality in this deeply entrenched patriarchal society. Or if claiming to do so is just a lie we tell ourselves to more comfortably cater to the male gaze. On the other hand, I worry conversations like this one often dismiss her as a mere puppet of the industry, incapable of engaging in this discussion herself, an infantilization which is itself a product of the deeply misogynistic society we live in. But like I said, I don’t think about her that much."

If ever a show had a line for an ILX audience...

but I think it develops the characters enough to earn them sympathy.

I like how there isn't the sort of "nothing really changes" cynical status quo as with Archer, but neither does the show try to pretend there any easy solutions or cheap epiphanies that would allow the characters to magically change, even if they want to. Most of the characters are insecure egotists, bums, and procrastinators, but IMO it's the desire for change and the realization of how difficult it is that makes them sympathetic and human (even if they're talking animals).

yeah this show is absolutely ace.

the melancholy that gradually creeps into this show really got to me. i actually got a little weepy at the last couple episodes, which is uh not exactly something i expected to happen when i started watching this show.

I was watching Mr. Show earlier and this made me think of BoJack

http://i.imgur.com/Htv7vnN.png

Ha, a few weeks ago my bf put on an ep of this cos his son wanted to see it. His son is NINE. The ep was the one with the Lindsay Lohan-esque druggy character and by the end of the ep we were all errrr... maybe you shouldnt have watched that, young lad.

"whats heroin, dad?" Arrgh.

I like the show enough, somehow bojack reminds me of Troy McClure but I think thats mainly bcz his house, lol.

lol i remember being like 11 and my parents rented blazing saddles cause they wanted us to see it and they had to stop it after 3 minutes bc they forgot everything about it

In episode 4 of the new season, there's a banner that says 'Happy Birthday Diane and use a pretty font'. That is seriously one of the best jokes I've ever seen. I feel like it must be an old joke, but still.

episode 7 gets real

banner joke is a sequel to the "HAPPY BIRTHDAY MR PEANUT BUTTER, PEANUT BUTTER IS ONE WORD" banner in S1, sounds like

Oh, fish, I saw that one, but didn't get it. There's a callback to it later, with a t-shirt saying: 'I had a ball at Diane's party, and underline ball, I don't know why this is so hard.'

love this season, love this show

I'm rewatching S1 before starting on 2 and there's a second banner, CONGRATULATIONS DIANE AND MR. PEANUT BUTTER PEANUT BUTTER IS ONE WORD DON'T WRITE ONE WORD

i did not realise lisa hanawalt did the designs!
i watched one episode and kind of hated it.

Yeah, episode 7... And that final scene with the nice guy going 'Hey. Smile!' Yikes....

that and the chickens episode (5?) were tops for this season imo

I'm not sure I get this show but I did overhear one joke that killed me: One guy says to another "you're seeing the Stones tonight?" but later reveals that "Stones" was short for The Mighty Mighty Bos-"Stones"

Which episodes are Ryan Johnson in? Who does he play?

I would love to take down Hippopopolous and finally topple the acropolis of monstrous hypocrisy that ensconces us!

Is this the first animated comedy that's structured like a cable drama, with the giant emotional climaxes in the second to last episodes? Made it to 11, completely wrecked.

only a few episodes in but this season is great so far

I never thought I would say this sentence about a television show, but the autoerotic asphyxiation episode is the funniest thing I've seen all year

Excuse me, the Funky Spider-Man. The Two-Neck Squeeze. The Ol' Gasp & Goo.

Theres a new season? Neat. Must check it out.

Hollywoo Stars and Celebrities: What Do They Know? Do They Know Things?? Let's Find Out!

I'm ready to take on Hippopopolous and topple this monstrous acropolis which ensconces us!

Last 2 episodes were so brilliant and sad

Could never imagine it turning out that way from how it started, wow

(Talking about season 1)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VESKjoxAmZg

spoiler: it looks great

I started watching this on the advice of my daughter, who frankly doesn't have a 100% hit rate for these things, but really kind of loved it. It was the simple jokes that did it for me in the end:

• The first banner with CONGRATULATIONS DIANE AND MR. PEANUT BUTTER PEANUT BUTTER IS ONE WORD DON'T WRITE ONE WORD floored me but then the two callbacks I spotted (as noted upthread) were just great.

• In ep 1 and 2 of S1 Mr Peanutbutter greets Bojack with "what is this, a crossover episode?" while Bojack accuses him of plagiarism. Then in S2 it turns out Hank Hippopolalous said it to them at the 1994 Animal Choice awards first.

• "Hey, I Think You Can Dance" and "Hollywoo Stars and Celebrities: What Do They Know? Do They Know Things?? Let's Find Out!" make me laugh every time.

• Actually, continuing to refer to it as Hollywoo does as well.

• In the S2 finale when Mr Peanutbutter is on the phone to Diane, then says that there's someone that looks really like her in the restaurant.

• Rutabaga Rabbitowotz's constant attempts to grease down his ears.

• Everything sticking to Charlie Witherspoons' hands.

• Every time Vincent Adultman opens his mouth.

So, S3 then. I'll avoid spoilers but:

• More great banner jokes.

• The underwater episode is a joy from start to finish.

• There's a joke that takes all season to pay off. And a callback joke from previous seasons.

• The episode from 2007 uses the same ideas as previous flashback episodes (generic music and shopfronts) and is none the worse for it.

• As with previous seasons, episode 11. Man.

• The Sextina Aquafina episode is possibly my favourite, especially Diane's inability to say "brrap brrap pew pew".

• Although the Oscar nominations episode.

• I could watch a whole season set in the Labrador Peninsula.

apparently i have not been paying close enough attention when watching this.

Watched the the underwater one last night, unexpected but really nice.

(we always pause when there are a bunch of storefronts/billboards/etc in the scene btw, so many good throwaway jokes)

I've found its very easy to zone out and miss a lot of the jokes AND important plot points in this, it requires an amount of focus when I'm used to letting shows like this kind of wash over me. You sort of have to retrain yourself to pay attention vs most tv, I also found myself rewinding not just to catch jokes but also moments where a character inadvertently says something profound about depression or bj's psychology etc

I'm not entirely sure what I think of this show sometimes it's a weird one but the moments of pathos draw me in more than the humor to an extent, it's a very strange juxtaposition

paul f tompkins as mr peanut butter is so good

I really like this show as a comedy but man some of the attempts at dramatic beats are terrible

i feel the opposite. sometimes the comedy is distracting!

i like that it pushed way from being "what if archer was a horse"

Watched season 3, don't know what I think about it. I think the netflix schedule is not for me, the choice is between watching a whole season in a weekend which feels empty, or waiting and having half of it spoiled on twitter. I think I need to rewatch, though, because so much went over my head. Who is Erica and why can't she vote, for instance? Went back and watched the pilot, and there's Erica again, who the heck is she?

Just watched the second episode as well. Because jellicles can and jellicles do.

Wow, I had missed Erica completely.

Rewatching season 1, the common wisdom says it gets much better towards the end, but so much of the first half is classic. Neal McBeal the Navy Seal. Todds rock opera and the introduction of Character Actress Margot Martindale. The stealing of the D. Most of all, it really takes it's time to introduce the concept that BoJack (and Diane) are depressed. The whole Zoe and Zelda spiel is the show in a nutshell. The humor is too Family Guy at times, with stupid cutaways, and the animation got a lot better, but the show was pretty great from the beginning, just patient.

paul f tompkins as mr peanut butter is so good

Peanutbutter is one word

Wife and I gave the very first (and maybe second?) episode a shot. Besides everyone being animals, neither the comedy nor the story really seemed very innovative or creative. Does change much down the road? I'm not sure I understand the appeal based on the start alone, though we weren't inspired to keep going.

The comedy and story does change a bit, it becomes less Family Guy cut-away based. But there continues to be plenty of sitcommy escapades in all three seasons. People watch it for the world and for the characters, who continue to get deeper and deeper.

It Gets Better

I've only watched the first two episodes of S3 so far but the depth of what they're able to do in every single episode continues to amaze me, from throwaway sight gags to slapstick to parody to genuine pathos.

(It wasn't until a couple of hours after watching the first ep. that the joke with the string breaking on the Greg Kinnear marionette, and being instantly replaced, hit me. Because she's a spider.)

Also this is a great read: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/24/magazine/the-world-according-to-bojack-horseman.html

full of amazing details:

At first, Hanawalt thought the BoJack idea sounded sad and cynical, but she liked the horse part. As a kid, Hanawalt was so obsessed with horses that she sometimes walked on all fours. Her classmates called her Horse Poop and Lady Horse.

ep 4 was good i think but gave me something like claustrophobia or seasickness or something

The last couple episodes of this show are devastating. It's amazing how much I care about these characters despite (or maybe because of) how silly this show is

This underwater episode was awesome.

Finished the third season now. Incredible

It's the underwater episode my mind keeps coming back to. Not even any particular thing that HAPPENED in that episode. Just the feel of it.

i liked that it was all an elaborate setup for a corny joke

no it wasn't and i will fight u

been singing the theme song around the house so much that my 5 year old has been asking my wife to sing "the tv" and now she's singing it too.

finally onboard with this. really impressed that after all this flourishing of indie moody animation that this show has found a new place to take it. feel like the jokes and silly animal touches are basically there to give some padding for the otherwise tremendously bleak outlook of the show. like also how thus far (mostway thru season 2) it feels like its mellowed from utter performative disaster into contemplative melancholy.

The whole list of oscarnominees on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/BoJackHorseman/comments/4ufdc9/spoilers_the_complete_list_of_oscar_nominees/

It's pretty amazing. Nominees for best song include: Play That Funky Yahtzee, Nazi and Spotlight Bling (Theme from Spotlight)

I finally finished watching out this season. Good lord did that get bleak. Finding out he didn't get the Oscar nomination was one of the bleakest things I've seen on TV in years. Walking Dead-level bleak.

Got excited when I saw this bumped as thought they'd announced another Christmas special

we just finished all three series inside about five days

um

why is this thread not 500 posts long

I really really enjoyed this after it hit its stride later on in S1

not sure what else I have to say at the moment but the underwater episode is one of the finest animated half hours of TV I've ever seen

People watch it for the world and for the characters, who continue to get deeper and deeper.

― Frederik B

this gets at the appeal, I think. so many subtle references...

(warning: fanboy video):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia8IchAc6Fo

roughly speaking, rick and morty:bojack horseman::family guy:the simpsons

so hyped for the new series!

i haven't seen that much rick and mordy but it doesn't seem to be very similar to bojack other than being a cartoon with an alcoholic protagonist

p much

tbf same with family guy and the simpsons right?

Trailer out for the new season. Bojack missing could be a good plot mechanism, because more Mr Peanutbutter.

It's weird how between this and The Leftovers the two best shows on tv are explorations of depression and how it's ok to live that way. (Not counting Twin Peaks because it's transcended tv in many ways.)

hmm, The Leftovers instantly added to interest pile

We've been rewatching all three seasons. It's completely amazing. I have no idea, as I said before, why this isn't a 500-post thread, because this show seems almost precision-tailored to ILX. Oh, and it also follows an exciting arc: each season is slightly better than the previous one. Can they keep that going?

My Family Guy/Simpsons comparison to Rick & Morty was with the aim of showing up the latter in comparison to this tbh, but it's fine to like both I guess

Yeah surprised that ILX not all over this. Judging by my circile of friends - a lot of people (me included) were turned off by the first half of teh first season and it's been a struggle to convince them to give the show a second chance. I admired S03 but felt S02 remained the emotional apex

It's literally series 1 episode 7 (i.e. the exact start of the series' second half) where this goes from amusing to amazing

Kind of off-topic, but new season of live action The Tick starts soon

I can only speak for myself, but after hearing a hundred good things about this show I watched the first few episodes and thought, huh, this is not amazing and in fact I didn't like it at all. So when months/years later I heard the show gets better I just thought, well, I bet it does!

I guess some people just don't deserve this show

it's not like it wasn't a great show to start with though

It's weird how between this and The Leftovers the two best shows on tv are explorations of depression and how it's ok to live that way. (Not counting Twin Peaks because it's transcended tv in many ways.)

first moment i've ever considered watching the leftovers

It's literally series 1 episode 7 (i.e. the exact start of the series' second half) where this goes from amusing to amazing

Yeah, I remember liking this from the start but then there's this moment where you're like, WHAT? THIS is what's happening? THIS is what I'm watching??

Kind of off-topic, but new season of live action The Tick starts soon

― Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Friday, August 25, 2017 9:27 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what whaaaaaaaaaaat? with patrick warburton? or someone else?

peter serafinowicz

wow. how did i miss this completely? is it good?

anyway, super pumped for new Bojack.

I don't really understand the Rick & Morty/Family Guy/Simpsons analogy. If anything it's more like this: Rick and Morty:Bojack::South Park:The Simpsons

xp i watched the pilot on Amazon, was pretty solid. a bit darker and less laugh out loud funny than the Warburton version but there were some solid superhero satire.

honestly as long as Edlund is involved, it'll be good

Bojack is absolutely brilliant
Never thought I'd be almost crying to a Nina Simone song on a snarky cartoon horse show

And also if you only just watched the first few episodes of season 1, you effectively haven't seen the show afaic, it's not like it just "gets better" like more adept, it goes in a completely different direction you can't really prepare for

yeah at first the show is quite glib about bojack's alcoholism and loneliness but then it actually actively explores it in a more human and seriousway, and he reaches some real rock bottom nadir moments which i found genuinely affecting

it's a good show

I like this show but some of it hits way too close to home that it just bums me out

it's very strange that the show that best depicts the actual effects of depression on victims and people in their lives is a pun-heavy show about a man-horse/horse-man but then again we live in strange times

I think that's what makes it work tbh, most depressed people (ime) don't constantly feel depressed, it's all about feeling it when the descent hits. the animal puns are like those stretches of time when you fleetingly forget you're a fuckup

that and i think that making it about goofy animals means it can get dark in a way that a live-action real people show would struggle with

imago's trolling take on Rick & Morty bizarre and comically off the mark.

I'm gonna give Bojack another spin. First three or so episodes I watched were not exactly inspiring.

#Hype
http://www.indiewire.com/2017/08/bojack-horseman-season-4-review-netflix-1201871227/

I feel like everyone would have done a Mr Peanutbutter #HOPE parody poster, but wow at the execution of this one.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIHBjs9UQAAAwf-.jpg

can i just start with 1.07 then?

also found the start of the first season kind of glib and unfunny

dug the underwater ep though

The trouble with skipping episodes is that you miss stuff that sets up later payoffs. Just drink it all down and trust me that it gets good

I think you need to see 1.03. That sets up a lot of stuff. 5 and 6 are good as well. So, like, take it from 3?

You could jump to 1.08 (the Herb Kazazz episode) if you want to check how good it gets, and then double back, perhaps?

I reckon 7 is just as devastating as 8 in its own quieter way

Imago's comparison is bad because rick n morty is much closer in quality to bojack (arguably better in some ways) than family guy or South Park for that matter are to the simpsons

fine fine fine, i'll watch more of it. as we've learnt you should never judge a series by the first few episodes, kids

They should just stop making the first few episodes, then. Problem solved.

Which modern multi-series shows were at top quality (by the show's standard) straight out of the gate I wonder

maybe not modern but Ren and Stimpy was top quality pretty much out of the gate

Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, Battlestar Galactica - and those are just the Bs! - Fargo, Party Down, Justified, The Wire, The Americans ...

Comedies seem to have it tougher, since so much timing and whatnot stems from chemistry and being comfortable with one another, writers and actors alike.

most animated comedies i think of took a couple years to cohere. king of the hill, simpsons, etc

id argue so far s3 of rick & morty seems like inarguably the most consistent so far

^deejiest post ever

"It is impossible to argue this thing. My argument begins:"

yes my argument is that my argument cant be argued with

OK, I realized I had only seen the first episode, so gave it a fair shake. I made it to maybe halfway through episode 5 and ... nah, not going to happen. Either I am 25 years too old to find this funny, or maybe it's just not funny. Probably a combination.

tbf Josh you do have consistently terrible opinions

first episode still the best of this season imo but i like the more complex plots. overall def worse than s1 and s2 (nothing this season has been as funny as KEEP. SUMMER. SAFE.) but still one of the best shows

Either I am 25 years too old to find this funny

i definitely don't think of this as a show that appeals primarily to v young ppl

No, I agree with that, I was just being flip. I just meant the fleeting stuff in it meant to be funny I didn't think was very funny, just non sequitur wannabe shocking.

is the new season out?

fwiw i dont think BJH really picks up until the end s1

omnis sequitur, pillock

Watching the seasons in reverse order has worked for me over the last few days.

is the new season out?

Available this Friday I believe

s3's finale pulls off emotional/tone whiplash better than almost anything I've seen in recent memory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE_wuidUzzM

I love how sparing this show is with uh, "foul language" or whatever. Swearing isn't inherently funny, which a lot of shows seem to assume, and this show only throws it in when necessary, which weighs it SO much more. Tbh though this is basically a drama with comedic elements and comparing it to the average sweary comedy seems odd. It's also odd to have the only relatable show on tv that deals with depression/addiction be a cartoon about an asshole horse (as noted above) but I'll take what's available. It's not the first time I've felt voiced by Will Annett.

*there should be a "isn't the" in there somewhere.

Lol also "case". I've been pulling a BoJack tonight, soz

not just sparing. each series only contains ONE use of 'fuck', on each occasion used by an old friend of bojack's severing ties with him. when that was pointed out to me it blew me away.

what will season four's fuck be? D: etc

I think I just meant an *is. Something about this show, maaaaan xpost

Thanks for a) making it even worse and b) giving new a reason to rewatch

*me. So did the use of "cunt" once mean anything? It shocked me a little.

idk, it's fine if a british person says it ;)

'Obviously I've never heard of your family and/or law firm'

does this come out today or what

it's out now

awesome

God I hate Mr Puppetcheese

not reeeeading don't spoiler no not reading this until the series is finished but holy SHIT the turnaround in mood/everything from episode 1 -> 2. how fucking intense already jesus christ they're mad people this show is the best bye

otm. holy shit.

'Muslim kills at open mic night, Christian kills at grocery store'

I am now going to get stoned and properly poopsock this season

oh my god this season is fucking incredible

^^^

"Stupid piece of shit" is really, really uncomfortably close to reality. My family went through nearly the same thing w/my grandmother and a doll.

just when you think it can't get any better there's a (good) Bunuel homage

ok all done

fuck

I was looking forward to this but was kinda scared to watch it

I love the constant background gags.

I pita the ful (Egyptian restaurant) might be my favourite sight gag in the whole thing to date.

Ha, I missed that one. Need to rewatch it, I think.

It's in the background when the kettle corn gets stolen.

enjoyed the delayed payoff for FHBA: Los Angeles

I wanted a screencap from episode two of the roadside dinosaur attraction for the "dinosaurs staring haplessly" thread but haven't been able to get one.

Just struck me as funny how insecure nerd's fantasy self Mr Peanutbutter (confident, blasé, oblivious, great with ppl) is married to literate glasses-wearing super-cute and nerdy (and Asian, that was a stereotypical nerd thing right?) nerd dream woman Diane. And their marriage isn't really working, cos she needs someone more I dunno, nerdy and bitter.

I still find it a bit weird that Diane is voiced by Alison Brie

but anyway this might have been the most consistently good season yet, and the most brutal

It's a seriously good show, is the thing. Like a comedy that merits the attention of a drama or something, I dunno.

I've found its very easy to zone out and miss a lot of the jokes AND important plot points in this, it requires an amount of focus when I'm used to letting shows like this kind of wash over me. You sort of have to retrain yourself to pay attention vs most tv, I also found myself rewinding not just to catch jokes but also moments where a character inadvertently says something profound about depression or bj's psychology etc

― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Tuesday, July 26, 2016 3:04 PM (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This. I typically watch TV while doing random shit on my phone, but I went back and rewatched BoJack season three and got so much more out of it. Who knew that I should pay attention to what I'm watching.

Lots of variations on the phrase "the inimitable side butt" have been popping into my head this week.

watched the last two episodes last night and i'm devastated

renewed!

the future child episode was the one that wrecked me this season

that episode was almost too brutal

still not sure that the second episode wasn't the most intense. amazing move to throw that one in after the beyond-zany opener

I totally missed the framing of the future child episode the first time I watched it. But also wrecked when I got it the second time through.

That penultimate episode with his mother reliving all her memories was an absolute gut punch. Beatrice has been such a horrible character but this season has really recontextualized her.

I just watched the "stupid piece of shit" ep last night and was in tears at the end, it was way too close to home.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMqxjHHuvLM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9kNIEC-ipY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkfxlE9_mFg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1ju4Pc__CU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5Hsj9co6Js
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXi-_2xisMo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfqTOhi7AnQ

season 1 finale hit close to home for me..find this show hard to continue to watch for that reason, some of this is so raw and familiar - not sure I need to be reminded

MPB OTM re: universe

oh my god this season is fucking incredible

― maura

Ready for season 5.

‘Future child’ was a definite gut punch episode for me.

Series 3 got pretty dark, so I wasn’t sure where things would go with this one, but it was pretty strong.

of course it went deeper into the family. probably the smartest depiction of the psychoanalytic process this side of In Treatment? one of the best series of television i can recall really. what the hell have they got in store for us

tt made the point to me that the newspaper subscription episode in either series 2 or 3 is literally a therapy session and an extremely truthful depiction to boot

Starring Candice Bergen!

This thread is amusing, needed some kinda giggle on a day like this

wooowwww congratulations you are the 10000000 person to ask that question your prize is the answer sept 14th now please stop asking me https://t.co/YlMPphjRdq

— BoJack Horseman (@BoJackHorseman) June 27, 2018

nice way of doing it

can't watch this cuz the coke stuff is deeply triggering (5 weeks clean)

congrats ross <3

i watched like 5 episodes during spring break (or winter break? i forgot) and then binged the rest of the episodes over the last week. holy shiiiiiiiiiiiiitt i love this show. comedy highs are todd and mr peanutbutter on terrible idea development jags ("what if there was a WEST dakota?" "i dunno, isn't that up to the state department?"

i have a strained relationship with my mom PLUS my grandma (and greatgrandma) spent their final years with dementia, guess which episode fucked me upppppppppp

Bojack is absolutely brilliant
Never thought I'd be almost crying to a Nina Simone song on a snarky cartoon horse show

― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, August 25, 2017 12:58 PM (ten months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

GIRL, SAME

tt made the point to me that the newspaper subscription episode in either series 2 or 3 is literally a therapy session and an extremely truthful depiction to boot

― imago, Friday, November 10, 2017 6:56 AM (eight months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

tt otm

Season 5 available on 9/14.

This letter. Apparently BoJack has gotten the lead in a show called Philbert. And now we know how it ends.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dmb0j2mUcAAGWih.jpg

I like how that letter simultaneously takes the piss out of Nic Pizzolatto and Matt Weiner.

Where's that letter from?

I don't know how it makes fun of True Detective or Mad Men. I only recognize the "detective chasing himself" from Donald Kaufman's script in Adaptation.

Not making fun of the shows themselves per se - the attitude feels copped from Pizzolatto's TD S1-era interviews and photo spreads, and every season of MM would be preceded by Weiner sending a letter to publications telling them what they "weren't allowed" to spoil (eg the date range of the new episodes, etc). Which was, AFAIK, pretty specifically his deal

Out today?

Yes. Watched the first ep at lunch. Good start.

Watched the first two. Very strong start, the second in particular is one of the best first half eps thus far (he says knowing he's forgotten some better and knows underwater was ep 3 or something).

looking fwd to watching this weekend

watched the first 4 (nearly 5 but tt fell asleep) - it's brilliant of course

the last two seasons have had amazing early episodes. S4 E2 was jawdropping

no spoilers itt plz

(other than THIS WAS GOOD, or YEAH I LIKED THIS TOO above)

Episode 6 is amazing.

Yeah I was totally wrong about other early episodes. Even just episode 2s - Neil McBeal The Navy Seal, Todd builds Disneyland, Mr Peanutbutter meets Blarn, hut on the lake.

I love this show.

me too, it did nothing at all for me until right at the start of series 3

todd builds disneyland is still one of the funniest things ive ever seen. todd is my favorite.

oh my god Diane's monologue at the end of the second ep made me choke up

Holy shit at 'Kernel of Truth'. What even was that?

OMFG the eulogy.

yes

and episode 7 to follow i mean where's this going

ok

first season that isn't better than the one before it; still great

Yes. Parts of it were really great - and once we lift the embargo we can talk about what they were - it never managed to hit the absolute highs of previous seasons and didn't have that real standout moment.

i think it would be ok to observe that the best episodes of this one were towards the middle of the season

I think that's true, but I'm not sure we should be saying so until it's agreed it's ok to.

fair. well, as it is a subjective thing, 'best' and so forth, i don't think i've ruined anything yet. so i'll shut up.

Ep5 was great. Another in the series of Princess Carolyn emotional gut punches.

I was hoping for more Character Actress Margo Martindale.

i mean, the payoff on that one though

i don't think this is a spoiler really but low key my favorite part of this show is girl croosh's send-up of media

also i just discovered Character Actress Margo Martindale is voiced by Character Actress Margo Martindale!

everyone real is played by themselves i think? or close to it

jessica biel really did cook and eat zach braff

Shows too depressing

Don’t need to see this shit like drug
Benders when I’ve lived it and others I know have. Enjoy everyone else

Mr horse is better anyway

Did character actress Margo Martindale voice Princess Caroline’s Mum?

If i watch this will i be emotionally destroyed?

A plea to please hold off on too many big spoilers also, not all of us have the time luxury of bingeing a whole season in one day/week/weekend (fuckin Netflix). I'm only up to ep2 of new season so far!

not really a spoiler - did this season have its customary single use of "fuck"? if so i missed it and will have to rewatch the whole thing to find it haha

cosign, I'm on ep #4 I think

I did not catch the single-use gag!

(that 1st part was xp)

This is what about a single fuck?!

Did character actress Margo Martindale voice Princess Caroline’s Mum?

That was David Sedaris!

not really a spoiler - did this season have its customary single use of "fuck"? if so i missed it and will have to rewatch the whole thing to find it haha

Gina says it in ep 11.

Thermo, it's a thing that the word fuck only ever gets used once a season.

Season 1, Herb in ep 8.
Season 2, Charlotte in ep 11.
Season 3, Todd in ep 10
Season 4, Bojack in ep 4.

ohhhhhhhhh of course. it had to be her, and now i think about it she says it when you'd more or less expect someone to

the word 'cunt' has been used once ever in the show's entire history, albeit in a british accent

That was David Sedaris!

― tokyo rosemary, Tuesday, 18 September 2018 3:45 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I am v bad at recognising voices

OK now Ive seen ep 6 and people were not kidding about that being a gutpunch. And the last 10 seconds punchline, omg lol.

To follow that up with Emperor Fingerface and BoBo Zebra etc etc was a complete wtf.

those two and the ensuing mr peanutbutter episode were my favourites of the series tbh

I liked the new season but I'm starting to feel like the writers/producers are expending a little too much energy anticipating/responding to viewer complaints and concerns. Feels like they're trying to cover every possibly problematic base at all times.

maybe, although the todd (a)sex farce stuff was mostly quite funny i thought

That ep I found a bit OTT actually! Though I get a farce was exactly what they were aiming for. I mean they should have just added people yelling OOER MISSUS.

this season spends too much time dealing with old issues e.g. the entire funeral bottle episode. best parts are "philbert" and gina.

I love that Gina is basically Rosa, esp when in the show's cop outfit (I dunno if its intentional though?)

What concerns are they spending time on other than Vietnam?

There was a quote from Bob-Waksberg recently where he was talking about being horrified that Weinstein was a fan of the show, and honestly at least half the season feels like a reaction to that. Part of me wanted to reach out and be like "dude, you make a horse cartoon."

The Hank episode in...S2? was their Weinstein skewer, yeah, and they did harp on already-covered ground here

SPOILERS The climactic plotline (Bojack on drugs! Bojack mistreats a woman!) of this season didn't feel fresh at all

I should stress that it was still funny/enjoyable/watchable but I feel like they should wrap it up soon.

ALSO, the punchline to the otherwise amazing Free Churro episode was too similar in feel to the punchline to the underwater episode. It's like guys you already did that. The episode should have ended straight

I finished the season last night. My impression might be a little tainted by a convo with my son a week ago: "I think with season 4, they started focusing more on the drama and it wasn't as funny. I'm not saying they need to turn it into Family Guy but..."

parts of "Free Churro" were genuinely moving but tbh it was a bit....much overall

I thought S4 basically got the balance right

I just feel that the 'Hollywoo' is a tarpit is so central to what the show is that it makes sense they go back to #MeToo plotlines over and over.

To me it's more getting a bit stale because BoJack is constantly backsliding. Which is plausible, but it got stale on The Sopranos, and on Mad Men, and I'm not sure I can do too many more penultimate episodes where BoJack hits a new low.

This was the first one where it felt like formula. 11th episode of S4 was different and extraordinary

Yeah, exactly. But 1, 2, 3 and 5 are kinda alike...

everyone basically articulating my problems with this season ("oh no bojack did *another* unforgivably horrible thing???") even though it was still great

The 11th episodes of 1,2,3 built to a tragic crescendo tbh, I wouldn't change any of them

The Hank episode in...S2? was their Weinstein skewer, yeah, and they did harp on already-covered ground here

this episode came out in 2015, two years before the Weinstein scandal surfaced. I took it as a Cosby reference at the time (and I think the episode itself mentioned allegations against Letterman)

you think insiders didn't know though

30 Rock etc were making Weinstein jokes for years iirc? I'm sure we've been over this somewhere.

their character of Uncle Hankie was specifically a beloved entertainment figure, which Weinstein never was.

influential and incredibly powerful obviously, but it's a slightly different situation

Fine. Well there wasn't really a Weinstein figure here. I really liked the pathetic character of Flip though (and even more so Flippy for half a glorious episode) - a sort of man equally worth taking down

I liked Flip as a character but I found Rami Malek's voice kinda distracting

David Sedaris as Amy Sedaris' mom was beautiful.

We had to go back and figure out where that taped confession came from (s3ep1). That's a lot of plot to keep track of (for a horse cartoon)!

idk, i don't like the "just a horse cartoon" angle. the show is as thoughtful and smart as anything else on tv, and "horse cartoon" is just the lens the show uses to explore the human condition.

no shit, really????

https://media0.giphy.com/media/vREwPj35kyUdG/giphy.gif

https://78.media.tumblr.com/9d03c98a4e5cf5363b430f3e82e79829/tumblr_nsbo3vVbI11tcsgn2o1_500.gif

Obviously it can be anything it would ants but there's thoughtful and then there's ponderous

The ants were in S4

lol

lol sorry for the double gif, it posted as a question mark image the first time round

Overall enjoyable season. Not as quite as good as previous, but The Amelia Earhart Story and Free Churro were the high points for me.

i usually have a rule against cartoons but this show is extremely good. i'm only on season 2 though. i heard the brilliant stuff comes later

why do you have a rule against cartoons, Treeship

i'm an elitist, man

what does that actually mean though

honestly, i haven't watched must tv for the past few years. but i started up again and--maybe bc of a long absence--am finding everything brilliant, from extras to maniac to bojack horseman

I honestly appreciate your honesty and would like to also honestly say that Extras is not a cartoon

oh no this prom episode

oh yeah, ouch

so bad

i can't look at it. the audio is playing in the other tab.

hey at least the drinking advice was solid, cut bourbon with water

i know he is a cartoon horse but i can't believe he let that girl in his room

otm

i love all the art history references in this

also -- promise i won't liveblog this -- but this new agency is badddd news for princess carolyn

The free churro epi was great. And I liked the ending. I was just looking up the synopsis and someone rightly stated that the ending points out that eulogies are written for us and not the dead.

Is Horsin' Around based on any specific show? My knowledge of '90s US sitcoms is minimal; can anyone supply some examples?

I thought maybe a little Charles in Charge?

It reminds me the most of Full House. But I think it's mostly just making fun of any sitcom that was claiming to say something about family, but was mostly just using any excuse to get the right mix of upcoming comedians and cute kids.

I looked it up and people talk about ^ Full House and Who's the Boss too.

Cosby Show is a reference point, based on the sweaters. That show led to a glut of terrible family sitcoms with a stand-up comic as a parent.

diff'rent strokes is from a different era, but the premise is similar

but yeah, it mainly reminded me of Full House, probably because of the sassy little girl factor in Sarah Lynn (echoing the Olsen twins in FH)

It will be an amalgam of sitcoms but Full House is what it makes me think of, esp because of The Horse's house (almost the same as the FH one), the font used for the sitcom title etc.

Btw I've only recently started watching this show but am thoroughly hooked. At the end of season two now. Spoilers for some reason don't really bother me with this show?

Also I had the exact same reaction of cringe that Treesh had after watching 'Escape from LA'. That was nigh on unbearable.

Oh, mand, if that one made you two uncomfortable you may want to keep booze at hand for future episodes.

Hah, perfect :)

I call my spouse Mr PeanutButter sometimes so I was kind of enthralled when he became Mr Chocolate Hazelnut Spread.

This underwater episode was awesome.

― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:46 AM (two years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Holy shit sarah lynn

Fucked up

Rough

Well damn, s04e11. Punch to the stomach, that.

episode 2 of s4 is just as good imo

Yeah, both from the same writer too.

I've burned through four seasons at high speed and need to take it easier, now that season 5 is the only thing that's left.

Renewed for season 6!

Who knew i liked flashbacks this much?

really hoping they can wrap this up somehow in the new season, S5 felt off although there were some great moments ("The Amelia Earhart Story" and "Free Churros" were both pretty much perfect, I'm sure I'm forgetting some other episodes)

I don't remember anything about it except for the funeral episode.

o yeah the Halloween one is pretty great as well

INT: SUB, the one where the therapists use barely disguised versions of the cast to describe their clients was great.

I was actually quite impressed with the Bojack/Gina abuse plot, even if it was a bit telegraphed and Todd's sex robot was really funny.

But I can see where you're coming from though - this was really a season about the cast becoming older and more responsible (even if in Mr Peanutbutter's case this means him being less responsible). Diane's trip to Vietnam was kind of throwaway and I didn't care for the sexy axolotls much at all.

INT: SUB and the Mr Peanutbutter episode were great, maybe the funeral episode too, the rest wasn't so great

i thought it was a step down from previous seasons (each was better than the last), but not a drastic step down. it would serve them better to focus more on the characters than comment on current events--i feel like that balance was a little out-of-whack this season.

xp you forgot the adoption one ("Amelia Earhart") which I at least think is a series high point

Googled on when to expect season 6, seems it will be somewhere between July and September?

The sixth season will certainly serve up some more celebrity guest appearances, too, with Lisa Kudrow, Stanley Tucci, Jessica Biel, Sharon Horgan, Kristen Bell, Paul McCartney, Daniel Radcliffe and Ricky Gervais having all previously made appearances in the world of Bojack.

Not to keen on some of these corrupting this beautiful series ffs (looking at you Gervais)

Arghhh scratch that. It's too effing hot.

The Daniel Radcliffe and Jessica Biel spots were great

David Sedaris and Lisa Kudrow were good although I don’t know if David Sedaris counts as a celebrity guest appearance.

today i learned that it actually WAS paul mccartney in that one episode of season 2

‘BoJack Horseman’ creator Raphael Bob-Waksberg shines darkly in his debut book

https://www.latimes.com/books/la-ca-jc-review-raphael-bob-waksberg-someone-who-will-love-20190621-story.html

if you asked me 6 yrs ago how i thought id be rmembered id have probably said that horse from horsin around but here we are season 6 on @netflix the 2 part final season before i hit the dusty trail aka runyon dont make plans oct 25 or jan31 bc youre watching me and feeling feels pic.twitter.com/PbVBLdfXP6

— BoJack Horseman (@BoJackHorseman) September 27, 2019

Oh hell yes

https://www.dispatch.com/entertainmentlife/20191010/denison-alum-michael-eisner-helps-bring-bojack-horseman-to-stage-in-new-performing-arts-center?template=ampart

i did not know eisner was still funding cartoons

I don’t know if it’s talked about elsewhere but Undone was... kinda lame. Started out with some promise.

YOURE kinda lame

Jesus fucking christ. Just seen the first episode of the new batch and it has destroyed me. Plain and simple. My soul is crushed.

New intro is so incredible as well :(

I'm up to #4 and it's quite something. Not that many laughs.

Is BH the Everywhere At The End Of Time of TV shows

^^ YES goddamnit ;_;

Just seen the second episode. Re-lent-less. The pace, the sound, the rhythm. It have me a heart-attack.

Still enough laughs but the realness just cuts through it all and shatters my heart to a million pieces. Fuck.

EATEOT is potentially a really good reference point. Everyone is full of false memories and personalities and it's starting to unravel with some actual real memories creeping through that add to the plot for the observer but not the protagonist.

I thought we'd finally got the story of the make-up artist - which I think is still going to come - but it was just as another enabler.

I didn't mean not many laughs in a bad way, but the count feels slightly down. Some nice long Princess Caroline lists in ep 2.

Prediction: Bojack is going to find the girl from the school party in ep 1 once he's properly sober because he's genuinely sorry about how he treated her.

I don't want to spoil anything, but false memories is def right. It feels like a cop out for BJ to attribute a lot of his addictions to how it's been portrayed. A five/six/seven/whatever year old doesn't grab for the vodka bottle to snuggle up with his mum right after. And yet. The show is commenting on and judging itself, it feels, and this makes it so strong.

I don't know for the life of me how BJ won't end up dead. But that's probably one of life's little mysteries. Life isn't always gracious; it's not a computer game, it doesn't kill you off when that would be the preferable thing. Lost souls escacpe through the cracks all the time. Question is, where do they end up?

I didn't get where the showbiz reporter plot was going until... and it looks like Hollyhock will end up there too.

The makeup woman plot got resolved in an unexpected but logical way. The return of several recurring characters (who I won't mention for spoilery reasons) feels superfluous but I'm sure there's a reason for it.

Todd-centric ep most unToddly but great. Mister Peanutbutter MVP in the second half of the first half. I think the scene in the TV museum is going to be a turning point that'll play hard in the finale - especially the recurring line in it.

But the end scene... I don't think my heart will be able to take January.

SPOILERS

I didn't get the reporter plot either until it felt like 'why didn't I see this coming'. Feels like everything is being set up properly for one momentous, agonizing day of reckoning. I expect sadness more than catharsis tbh, or probably that unique Bojack mix of both.

Not sure where the female superhero movie subplot is going?

I GUESS WE'RE WELL INTO SPOILER TERRITORY NOW

I'm struggling to see what catharsis will come from the day of reckoning, but I'm open minded. The optimist in me will spend the next 3 months hoping the final scene is about someone else and it's just a coincidence, but we know that's not going to happen.

I think the superhero movie is just to get Kelsey Jannings back into the main plot for the final episodes (although I have no idea why). The same goes for Character Actress Margo Martindale and Gina Cazador (whose story I thought was over).

Having trouble dealing but it occurred to me Diane = Laura, Princess Caroline = Ceirwen, THERE IS NO FUCKEN TODD IN MY LIFE HELP but Diane/Laura is what I cling to holy shit this show

NOT READING ANY POSTS but episode 4 (Surprise!) is a goddamn masterpiece :D

ok, up to date now. this series is about 3849032x better than S5. it's up there with 3 and 4

why does this show make me so emotional?

bc horse

this is my favorite show :) :(

as much gravitas as a cartoon horse show may not entail, I still hope they stick the landing because there are some directions "guy on the upswing who finally has made his peace with the world only to have his worst moment become public" is going to be some awkward watching

so far this is the best season of the show imo

it might well be

eps 4 and 7 the masterpieces so far, 7 made me cry a bit with the church ending

episode 4 was one of the funniest episodes they've ever done, but then again i'm a sucker for the slapstick-y episodes like that french farce one they did early in season 5

this was pulled off much, much better

this one certainly had a bit more dramatic heft, and it tied into all the other surprise parties that mr peanutbutter hosted throughout the series.

There wasn't a banner joke, but was that a joke that Mister Peanutbutter not being involved meant the banner went without a hitch?

"He's the national face of depression"

omg that 'crossover episode' scene is up there among my favorites in the whole series. such a sad dog!

bojack saying it's the crossover before mr. peanutbutter realizes it. and he plays along perfectly!

am watching about two episodes a day, up to s5e2. s4 was... hmm. some really hard hitting emotional stuff, with bojack continuing to plumb the depths of assholeishness, and the penultimate episode with his mother was incredible. but the whole thing was marred by the pb running for governor story, which was sub family guy foolishness.

anyway s5e2, am i being dim or is the timeline all loopy? she gets the divorce papers from mr pb, cries & runs away to vietnam, comes back and mr pb picks her up from the airport and gives her the divorce papers...

Just finished S4 of my rewatch and agree with the emotional stuff (Ruthie is such a fucking gut punch) but quite enjoy the Mr PB storyline and it's OTT silliness

anyway s5e2, am i being dim or is the timeline all loopy? she gets the divorce papers from mr pb, cries & runs away to vietnam, comes back and mr pb picks her up from the airport and gives her the divorce papers...

No, she loses it and gpes to Vietnam after seeing Mr PB & Pickles together at the housewarming party. So when she comes back, she already knows when he tells her he's seeing someone and is able to say "I'm really happy for you"

Ok, the flashbacks made it pretty confusing.

Now how about this incredibly important detail: at the start and end of intro the outside of the house is shown standing on twelve unconnected pillars; when it's shown in an actual episode it has seven pillars with crossbeams. However in season 6 the start of the intro is changed to show the seven pillars, but it still has twelve at the end. What are they trying to tell us ::thinks emoji::

A wizard did it

The Netflix description which says "He's a curmudgeon with a heart of...not quite gold...but something like gold. Copper?" is so damn misleading, it took me a long time to come round to the show because I had it at the back of my mind while watching episode after episode of him being a complete arsehole.

Forgive the thread spam, but I wanted to note that this show's 2019 season is nominated in the 2019 ILX TV poll:

ILX's Best Television of 2019 Poll / VOTING AND CAMPAIGNING THREAD / Voting Ends January 31

If you like this show and you'd like to see it have a good showing in the poll (running in February) all you need to do is submit a ballot including it and your other favorites (4 minimum, 25 maximum, organized by your favorite to least favorite) to forksclovetofu at gmail by end of day today. It'll take five minutes; get to it!

New (last) eps out now!

Some welcome discussion about depress ion/meds so far, to talk about when folks have seen it

ugh can i talk about one of the episodes. i'm not anywhere near done yet and i don't think of it as a major spoiler

I’m game

the Hollyhock storyline probably went how it should but was still heartbreaking

damn just watched all of these, O__o face the whole time

being plunged into diane’s writing process was like watching a horror movie about my own life

Just finished the last 4.

Todd scene on the beach probably my favourite part of the final season.

just finished the penultimate episode

this is the best season of bojack and one of the best seasons of television ever

Can't wait, will dive in this week.

just starting E13

Hollyhock's "leave a message... if you're 100" thing kills me, so glad they've called it back once already

also the shop girls "omg she's taking the call" about Diane

I don't know if they've done this joke before but there was a very funny background reference to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie_copyright_dispute in one of the new episodes

'I could try propositioning some young men on set, that's bound to end well!'

Last few episodes destroyed me.

Virtually perfect final episode

The scene where Diane’s boyfriend’s son gives her book feedback, revealing he both read it and liked it, was great

Amazing sign joke in the last episode

"I'm thinking about going with a different company'

Laughing once again

The scene where Diane’s boyfriend’s son gives her book feedback, revealing he both read it and liked it, was great

Yes! The little effort they put into him here (and many of the minor characters) - loved it.

DIdn't really like the final scene but no idea what I would've preferred.

Do v v much like the Paige Sinclair spin-off formulating in my head tho.

Holy shit missed that Paige is voiced by Paget Brewster. Outstanding.

Amazing

bojack horseman is my favorite show on tv, so in honor of it ending i made bojack-themed posters for this year’s Oscars pic.twitter.com/0btroscFdZ

— demi adejuyigbe (@electrolemon) February 9, 2020

I've felt burdened for weeks now by the A+ niche background in-joke where, at the comedy club toward the end, there is the wall of comedians' pictures, and Kristen Schaal is on it, and of course ... Kristen Schaal is a horse

I've felt burdened not only because this is the kind of hilarious micro-reference that you really can't share via explanation with anyone else, but also because it's meant weeks spent with the original old "Kristen Schaal is a horse" chant stuck in my head 24/7

I would now like to pass this situation along to anyone else who recalls the whole "Kristen Schaal is a horse" bit from, like, two presidents ago

I like to imagine the entire complex animal-world of this show was invented solely to lead up to a scene in which Kristen Schaal is a horse (Sarah Lynn is an elaborate misdirect)

that's an unbelievable catch. kristen schaal is indeed a horse.

I noticed that Easter Egg, but didn't realize it went that deep.

Another Easter Egg, this time stitched into the finale: Kelsey's superhero movie (discussed in the 6A finale) was made, with both Gina and Courtney, as proven by a billboard seen over Mr. Peanutbutter's shoulder in the last diner scene.

BTW, Here is a screencap w/the Schaal pic.

Another screencap, with added Paul F. Tompkins!

aw, brody stevens and garry shandling

george marlin!

Last few episodes destroyed me.
Virtually perfect final episode

I feel the same way pretty much. I also loved that they made one of the main characters asexual

There are so many lines in this I still feel like they must have copied off of some meme somewhere. First and foremost 'When you look at someone through rose-tinted glasses, all the red flags just look lige flags'. But Dianes thing about how her marriage to Mr Peanutbutter never seems to make sense when you look at it but like a magic painting, if you squint just right, it becomes the most beautiful thing in the world. 'But I'm so tired of squinting...' The show is insanely well written. Free Churro...

When you look at someone through rose-tinted glasses, all the red flags just look lige flags

I'm pretty positive I had heard that (or a v similar variation) before tbh

I just binge watched the whole season over the last 2 nights. felt strangely comforting for some reason.

for some reason the "lied about dating Natalie Portman" presumably a piss-take of Moby on the whiteboard really cracked me up

Nearly finishing season one. It's very funny but in a very Simpsons-y way at times. Just an FYI question...from the opening post when exactly does this get better, or does something new?

I recently did a big rewatch of the whole thing over a couple of weeks but do find it hard to pin down when it really gets good as there are certain storylines I disliked over the first few seasons. But if you're not sold enough by episode 4 of season 3 then that's probably that.

It gets better at the end of S1E7 but S2 is a marked improvement overall and then S3 and S4 are very great. Last two seasons not so much but still have their moments

4 = 3 > 2 > 6 > 1 >>> 5, where 1 is 'good'

I thought the whole thing was fine, not great, never noticed any particular jump in quality. By 'not great' I guess I mean it didn't speak to me personally, I enjoyed the wordplay and sight gags more than the tale of a depressed substance abusing washed up horse actor.

The show explores more of the other (far more sympathetic than Bojack) characters flaws and feels as it develops which really helps but that's a problem/challenge from the outset with most shows (animated or not) that only seem to get greenlit in the first place because they're initially revolving around a destructive abusive male.

I'm now more conflicted about S6 in retrospect. had some amazing episodes/bits, but it really did relitigate previous plotlines entirely too much, it was laborious and overly punishing, and there's a revelation about a previous event that makes BH entirely too much of a heel - it didn't need to go there

they could have condensed S5 and S6 into one season and wrapped it up - they didn't need to have TWO 'Bojack gets cancelled' seasons in a row

6pt2 > 2 = 3 = 4 = 6pt1 > 5 = 1pt2 >>>>>> 1pt1

first stretch by far the weakest in the series, I can see why so many people give up after a few episodes, assuming it's something else entirely

quality pretty consistently high from late s1 onwards imo, some things improved on rewatch. I get thinking 5 is a slight dip but the notion that it's actually bad or something is just weird. unless you just reeaally hate any kind of meta awareness on the show (which felt pretty necessary by that point tbh)

BJ didn't even get cancelled at all until late s6 despite everything, even then seems to be only temporary, which felt grimly realistic

i think it's sorta unsatisfying bc it mostly eschews character growth esp for bojack who i feel like maybe they intended at some pt to redeem but instead decided it would be more satisfying to just have him suffer for his sins. everyone is pretty miserable at the end.

maybe more "realistic" to depict "once a fuck-up always a fuck-up" but consequently less fictionally resonant somehow?

if he's "redeemed" somehow it feels a bit much given everything he's done, if he's appropriately punished it undermines the whole thing about powerful men getting away with shit that runs through the whole show, etc.

there are signs he may genuinely do better after the finale (he seems a bit more thoughtful, he likes honeydew now), his public rehabilitaiton seems inevitable, but possibly as an edgy Louis CK type figure, he may relapse and fuck up again, who knows, if you wanted closure i guess it's disappointing

i think the philbert stuff in 5 is really tiresome, like the question of "are we condoning this shitty dude behavior if we write a character whose whole personality is shitty dude behavior" is maybe the least interesting question the show asks in its entire runtime

6 nailed the cancellation plot imo

unless you just reeaally hate any kind of meta awareness on the show

lol maybe this is me. i don't think it was written particularly well though

but it really did relitigate previous plotlines entirely too much

for me it was like they spun a bunch of previous plot threads into this total car crash, it was both riveting and horrible (in a good way) to watch

of course, audiences hate meta [plotlines], when will [cartoon comedy-drama] writers learn?

I may be too kind to s5 bc I sympathise with the impulses behind it idk. still think “BJ the Feminist” is essential, Vance is such a great/horrible character, even more so in his return

Thanks all I'll carry on for a bit longer (instead of re-watching Seinfeld)

i’m more horse than a man (I’m more man than a horse)

trying to describe how I feel about this show in retrospect and the only concrete statement I have today: the Mr. Peanutbutter/Pickles relationship dragged on too long

Forgive the thread spam, but I wanted to note that this show's 2020 season is nominated in the 2020 ILX TV poll:

ILX's Best Television of 2020 Poll / VOTING AND CAMPAIGNING THREAD / Voting Ends After January 29, 2021

If you like this show and you'd like to see it have a good showing in the poll (running in February) all you need to do is submit a ballot including it and your other favorites (3 minimum, 25 maximum, ranked by your favorite to least favorite) to forksclovetofu at gmail. It'll take five minutes; get to it!

Finally got around to watching this show. Yeah... pretty amazing. Also, maybe too soul-crushing to binge the entire series in one month, but yes. The first couple seasons I was already hooked because the drama worked AND it felt like peak-Simpsons and The Critic mixed together. For a second (basically, that amazing under-water film festival episode) I thought the show might actually be getting lighter... but, of course not.

The final season felt particularly brutal, and it was extra long at 16 episodes (split into two parts on release, I see) so that was tough to watch all the horrible threads of the series come together.

that penultimate episode still makes me shudder when i think about it (in a good way)

i guess this is a good spot to put raphael bob-waksberg's list of favorite tv shows

When Rolling Stone polled dozens of showrunners, actors, and critics for our 100 best shows ever list, we got a very unusual ballot from BoJack Horseman creator Raphael Bob-Waksberg. I had many, many questions, and he was gracious enough to answer: https://t.co/AANrLfbwWf pic.twitter.com/jO4mJnT32Y

— Alan Sepinwall (@sepinwall) September 30, 2022

That's great. Thanks for sharing

Tuca & Bertie has become my partner's Favorite Show, Ever.

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I like 'em! Not into pins, but I like 'em

Really just the most spot on depictions of mental illness in this show.

And so many details found on subsequent rewatches. My personal best catch to date was from the scene where Mr peanutbutter is sniffing Beatrice in an attempt to get her scent to find doll. He immediately runs over to hollyhocks coffee cup, which we later learn was being spiked with diet pills by none other than Beatrice.

Also, there’s a great recap of the view from halfway down by some you tuber that schooled me on so many aspects of that episode that I’d completely missed.

thanks for reminding me that I need to rewatch this soon!

You got it

this show was pretty good

not sure why fans are compelled to post the most didactic and moralizing bits from it all over twitter tho

Aspect of fan culture and most fans not entirely understanding why they’re a fan of something, and naturally just grab at the most explicit bit that sorta feels akin to why they like the show, perhaps

tbh the line I still quote the most is "two refrigerators?!? give my regards to the Rockefellers"

hahaaha

Not that I give much credence to Rolling Stone lists but they at least got this right:
https://imgur.com/mSSwvtH

oh fine:
BJH 2 No.1

https://www.rollingstone.com/tv-movies/tv-movie-lists/best-netflix-shows-1386323/3-russian-doll-2019-present-1386359/

Congratulations Bojack and use a pretty font

lol

" . . . why is this so hard?"

No, I said "D" as in "Birthday Dad"

not sure why fans are compelled to post the most didactic and moralizing bits from it all over twitter tho

I'm sure this show is great and all (seen 3 or 4 episodes, some bits are funny, should probably watch more) but yeah that "all the red flags look like flags" line gets posted everywhere and makes me rmde every time

first few episodes are mostly not great and put me off for a long time but they set up important stuff so you can't skip them either - I imagine a lot of people who'd love what the show becomes have given up too soon because of the generic "edgy adult cartoon" vibe early on

the emotional or moralising moments don't hit nearly as hard when presented out of context though

overall I probably prefer tuca & bertie though I wish I liked the 3rd (apparently last) season more - the first 2 are so good

The first season (especially the first half) is mostly set up because it's not a wrap-it-up in 22 min show. Its multi-ep arcs over season arcs, over multi-season arcs, over series arcs, and over a million other relevant and seemingly irrelevant arcs. Densely layered sight gags, goofy jokes, incredibly smart jokes, devastating subtext, and moments that will make you feel so seen you'll cringe. You need the setup.

I don't think the point of it is to be edgy. It's just not catchy like other adult cartoons. The jokes aren't always easy and neither are the storylines. They're long and complicated, although often they're not. I guess I'm trying to say watching this show is a commitment and you'll probably need to do it a couple of times. Watching a few episodes really isn't going to give you a clue.

And, yeah, the most quoted lines (red flags, etc) aren't going to hit like they would if you first heard them in context but they're such a small part of the series and aren't worth judging it on.

Tuca & Bertie is great, really sucks that it got canceled.

I need to watch Tuca and Bertie. Was it taken down in the great Netflix cancellation flood a few years ago?

I think it predates the flood. It was only carried for 1-2 seasons before getting picked up elsewhere

Season 1 is on Netflix, season 2 & 3 are on HBO 'Max' I believe

ahh okay. Yeah, im just mindlessly watching youtube supercuts these days so I might start this.

how is this shit fucking legal, Walmart selling bootlegs off of eBay

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Bojack-Horseman-Complete-Series-Seasons-1-6-Blu-ray/5211934632

that being said, I am tempted to buy before Netflix discontinues it

they have a marketplace thing like amazon has where all kinds of shit flies until reported and then they pop up under a different name. I think amazon is policing them a bit more now.

you, too, might get approved to sell your wares via walmart.com!