Twin Peaks Returns to Showtime, lets anticipate!!

I searched but couldn't find a thread on this, sorry if there's one.
http://www.engadget.com/2014/10/06/twin-peaks-2016/

Will it be a great big psychedelic circus ride?

there's a lot of discussion on the revival at Twin Peaks: Classic or Dud? , but it might be worth having a new thread for the new series because it'll surely have trillions of comments once it gets going

TRILLIONS

I'm hoping for a nice score, the first twin peaks soundtrack still influences the music I listen to these days.

http://doublerdiner.squarespace.com/

i went to the real Double R Diner (Twedes) a few months ago, and like all twin peaks dorks i ordered coffee and a pie. it did not resemble that squarespace photo, to say the least. and the coffee was not damn fine!

- the mayor of Tanner, WA

this is happening and i could not be more stoked. mark frost's novel comes out in a couple of days and the audiobook will feature kyle mclachlan (along with other cast members inc chris mulkey aka HANK, who is not in the new series)! I'm totally excited for this thing but also it will be a chance for me to potentially adjust my frankly unreasonably high expectations before the series hits next year. never read any of frost's books - which include a YA fantasy trilogy and a couple of weird victoriana conspiracy type novels with conan doyle as protagonist?? - but obv he did great work on TP and never seems to get his due considering how instrumental his contribution seems to have been.

one thing that's always particularly bemused me is this idea of frost grounding lynch or keeping him in check or whatever - not gonna deny that frost is a more conventional storyteller and less weird than lynch but his esoteric interests seem pretty scatty and his additions to the mythology are way more unfocused than what lynch comes up with. it's ufos! no actually it's the woods! no actually it's native american lore! theosophy! &c. whereas lynch (when he's actually there) keeps things on point by bringing everything back to an emotional core (the palmers' tragedy) and keeping things thematically & tonally consistent in terms of mood, images &c. er not that you want a completely tonally consistent twin peaks but idk. I always liked how along with his other more radical changes to the final episode's script lynch also brought back the important forgotten-by-everybody characters ronette and maddy, along with leland & sarah palmer, dr jacoby, bobby & shelley, none of whom were in the script.

anyway from what little I know about the frost book it seems to lean heavily on the native american stuff and the x files bollocks which I wasn't so into in the series - ufo mythology seemed really played out but I'm kinda coming around to finding it interesting again now that it seems so thoroughly out of time

oh also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHRARCb4APA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8c0LIYWyaM

http://thevinylfactory.com/vinyl-factory-news/twin-peaks-death-waltz-reissue/

the new cast list from the wiki is crazy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_Peaks_(2017_TV_series)

slightly broken link, i think.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_Peaks_(2017_TV_series)#Cast

and yes, it's bonkers!!

sky ferreira, trent reznor, eddie vedder.

mark frost, laura dern.

michael cera.

First time I ever noticed the similarity between 'Belucci' and 'Belushi'.

How did Lana Del Rey not wind up in this

37 actors returning from the original series:

http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/news/returning-cast-members-new-twin-peaks/

full list of actors who were in the original series who aren't coming back:

http://www.hitfix.com/news/twin-peaks-cast-list-11-major-omissions-from-lara-flynn-boyle-to-heather-graham

feel like the only real loss is Ontkean (much as I love some of the others)

yeah, i feel the same way. although i think Robert Forster will be good, too.

lots of people I wish they'd found room for/were still alive but I love the film and that hardly has any of those people in so I'm good with it

I listened to two thirds of the audiobook of the new novel at work today btw, fun stuff. I have my issues with it but it's intriguing, I wonder how much of it will have a bearing on the new show. It's styled as a dossier submitted anonymously to the fbi so you get a variety of historical documents that apparently pertain in some way to an ongoing investigation into cooper's disappearance/some other mysterious events, plus commentary from both the compiler and the fbi agent tasked with reviewing the dossier. Won't get too spoilery just yet but (arguably) the central character of the novel is a minor character from the latter half of season 2! There's some interesting retconning and reinterpretations of characters as well, maybe not entirely successfully. One of the highlights so far is michael horse reading from hawk's journal, complaining about the douchebag who saddled him with his insulting & racist nickname

Wait Robert Forester is playing Sheriff Truman? Fan sites must be misreporting that, right? He's gotta be playing a different sheriff

no, he's playing truman, this has been known for a long time. Ontkean declined to return for whatever reason

Gah, I don't see that working at all. I love Forester but he's such a colder presence than the original actor. That seems like it's gonna be really distracting

The new rumor is that Forster is playing Truman's brother, who is mentioned in Mark Frost's book.

How did Lana Del Rey not wind up in this

Ha, I hadn't thought of that, but maybe a cameo performance at One Eyed Jack's.

xp I wondered if he was setting up something like that with the brother!

is the book good? I haven't gone and picked it up yet...has anyone actually read the entire thing already?

I'm skipping around and reading the parts I'm most interested in. It might have more value as a visual object than a novel, really. By the last page you can probably piece together at least one important event that might have happened after the series ended.

I've finished it now (audiobook, print isn't out here yet); it's worth a look if you're a big fan. I'd say read it front to back as it's short and there is a narrative through line with certain things revealed as you go on (not the identity of the mysterious ARCHIVIST which is treated as this big mystery even tho its thuddingly obvious who it is from the beginning). As I said above there's a lot of weird retconning. It tries to connect a lot of dots and explain stuff that doesn't really need explaining (stuff like references to a literal race of giants which I hope the new series just ignores) in a way that just makes everything messier. Oh and it doesn't tell you anything at all about the new series, or even anything post-s2 really.

I love Forster but he's such a colder presence than the original actor.

This is incorrect! Forster can totally do warmth.

Wins would you say it gets anywhere near secret diaries level of quality? It sounds like not?

hmmm, I'd say it falls short of that standard. funny cause lynch reportedly wrote tsdolp in a couple of days and this is meticulously researched & long in the making, but tbf the diary is a really impressive piece of work (just read it for the first time this year). Frost's book is a sprawling and sometimes boilerplate conspiracy narrative (masons, illumnati, roswell, other more interesting stuff I won't spoil but will just say he manages to work in some unexpected real-life figures) but it's engagingly written and the more time I spend with it the more I like it. it's also a beautifully produced thing - both the audiobook and the physical book, which I just got today.

I will say that if you're the sort of tp viewer that was bothered by the teens never being in school or the different haircuts in the film or whatever, this book will drive you bananas. I don't really care about stuff like that at all but there's some really brazen rewriting of characters' backstories in this (eg the book says norma's mother "ilsa" died in 1984 - so who was that food critic lady?!)

great audiobook moment: michael horse's reading of the line "good kid, james; noooot a reader."

(eg the book says norma's mother "ilsa" died in 1984 - so who was that food critic lady?!)

black lodge ilsa

heh I can see that actually. "I am the great wentz".

I've been saying for ages that the "norma's mom comes to stay" plotline is the greatest twin peaks plotline so it would be amazing if that were to be borne out in the new series

that's an ... interesting opinion

Watching Blue Velvet for the first time in years. I'm not even a big David Lynch fan, but anytime I start watching his movies I want to binge watch everything and buy all of the soundtracks. Also somehow I'm usually getting drunk whenever I start a Lynch Movie.

Heineken or Pabst Blue Ribbon?

King of Beers, but tonight it's Tito's Vodka on ice

I've been trying to think who Bobby Briggs reminds me of and finally it snapped into place! Joel from Dream a Little Dream
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Got the book for xmas and slowly taking it in. Did not expect an extended pseudofictional riff on the final days of Meriwether Lewis to a) be so fascinating or b) have anything in the slightest to do with TP.

the identity of the mysterious ARCHIVIST which is treated as this big mystery even tho its thuddingly obvious who it is from the beginning

It seemed obvious from the beginning, but (trying to avoid spoilers) given that particular character's fate on the show, I've been wondering if someone else with the same last name had perhaps adopted the former's speech patterns and interests in the intervening years. Time changes a body.

According to Frost, some of the glaring factual errors in the book are apparently intentional. This is interesting.

Someone bought me this for Christmas. I couldn't make it through all the alien stuff

According to Frost, some of the glaring factual errors in the book are apparently intentional. This is interesting.

I applied the same strategy to all of my research papers in college. The professors always pretended like they didn't understand what I was going for

the errors are not what they seem

How did Lana Del Rey not wind up in this
― Alito Shuffle

some of the "errors" are too glaring to be anything but deliberate tbh, to what end I'm sure I have no idea but it has got some of the more Mandela Effect-vulnerable TP fans sleuthing away, scribbling in (best case scenario) magic marker on their walls. It also gives frost plausible deniability when it comes to the genuine errors, plot holes &c

four hours of new David Lynch film dropping on the 21st of May

further 14 hours in weekly drabs

four hours of new David Lynch film dropping on the 21st of May

every time i get turned off by online discourse re: this thing, or look at the mark frost book and fairly or not think "ugh", or get in a snit about prestige tv culture and the westworld thread or whatever, i remind myself that this is the point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdnwXiwnDaM

dig that slowed down version of falling

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All kinds of official crud on sale at the showtime store, much of it designed by lynch, plus they're bringing some sort of "immersive experience" to sxsw

me, I'm v glad this is happening but "merch" is for the birds

Generally agreed, but I'm afraid I'll have to purchase those Funko action figures.

...afraid to ask, but that's a joke right

Yeah, no, it's for real.

ugh son

Those things are horrible

Well, they're making the terrible Pop things but they're also making less terrible but, yes, probably still objectively quite terrible regular action figures:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0552/1401/files/12856_TwinPeaks_Bob_AF_Renders_large.jpg

The likelihood of my buying these is in no way a refutation of something deeply flawed inside of me that would compel me to commit such an act.

I was thinking of the pop things tbf but yeah I hate these too

h8 the funkos

"It is happening again"
Is beach house involved ?

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http://ew.com/tv/2017/03/23/twin-peaks-revival-showtime-cover/

i really need to figure out whose house I'm going to every sunday night for this.

Not read yet but it was great to see the cover photos. There was a nice interview with lynch in gq as well

http://www.gq.com/story/david-lynch-twin-peaks-profile

Man, seeing everyone as their characters but older...always getting harder to pretend I'm not in the same boat.

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Hurley boys looking haunted

Coop looks how old I thought he was when the show was first on.

the jowls are not what they seem

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Fuck yeah Michael Horse

Meantime, of all the characters it's Duchovny's whose reception/reading surely has to be...not different but the most changed given public perceptions and law over all these years.

It's kind of amazing that he just had everyone get back into their same costumes.

Is Sheriff Truman in this?

yes and no

Ontkean isn't coming back, chances are Robert Forster is playing his brother Frank

holy shit @ andy and lucy

No one gets to retire in the world of Twin Peaks, much like ours.

i can't believe Michael Cera is in this, the second he shows up onscreen the entire Twin Peaks suspension of disbelief is going to crumble. unless Lynch is a true wizard.

Michael Cera has been good in things! Specifically Crystal Fairy and the something something

Maybe he just shows up at the start, dead, wrapped in plastic, and the town decides not to solve his murder.

i thought that about adam driver in star wars too but he was good in that.

twin peaks has always featured the bizarre juxtapositions of very good and very bad actors

Adam Driver was great. but the character in Girls has the same kind of dark jerk-ness to him. and Cera has been in good stuff. i loved "Scott Pilgrim".

still, it feels weird, like When World Collide...

Crazy how Lynch has aged so much better than (most of) the cast

also lynch is a true wizard

^this is true. i realized this while watching Mulholland Drive and realizing that was Billy Ray Cyrus up there on screen somehow being brilliant

Many people including me have been assuming without evidence that Michael Cera must be playing Andy and Lucy's son.

I'm most interested in the bit part being played by current UFC middleweight champion Michael "The Count" Bisping.

Cera was quite good in his Entertainment bit part.

he was good in This is the End

My prediction for this revival is it's going to focus a lot less on returning characters than people expect

Twin Peaks: The Damn Good Coffee Awakens

Is there a watching guide for season 2? I was trying to rewatch it and all the stuff with Big Ed and what's-her-eye put me off. (Oh, Nadine!)

I'm curious about the comedy actors and musicians and whatever other perceived stunt casting, also about the return of beloved character Louis "Birdsong" Budway

But most of all I'm just all in for lynch directing dern and watts again

Cera is underrated, he's fine.

Driver actually would have been a good TP addition, fuck, he'd be a halfway decent Bob

yeah adding watts and dern to this is great. Dern has been so good in Big Little Lies too.

*louie xp to me

My prediction for this revival is it's going to focus a lot less on returning characters than people expect

I agree, the mix of younger actors and old castmembers should allow for a fair amount of variety, it doesn't need to be/shouldn't be all oldsters

Well there are 217 cast members and what, 30 odd returning?

So yeah, safeish bet

Is there a watching guide for season 2? I was trying to rewatch it and all the stuff with Big Ed and what's-her-eye put me off. (Oh, Nadine!)

― Mhysa Jar Jar Binks (Leee), Thursday, March 23, 2017 6:41 PM (thirty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

once they get Audrey back from One Eyed Jacks you can skip to the finale. otherwise you may as well watch the whole thing.

Mhysa Jar Jar Binks (Leee)
Posted: March 23, 2017 at 6:41:32 PM
Is there a watching guide for season 2? I was trying to rewatch it and all the stuff with Big Ed and what's-her-eye put me off. (Oh, Nadine!)

First several are awesome, middle few are smh but have their moments, last few are awesome

You could definitely skip 11-16, I guess 11-20 even, but I feel like it's good to get some of the owl cave black lodge buildup.

def watch the movie.

At the very least watch the first 7 eps of S2 and the finale, and FWWM after that.

I finished rewatching the whole series a month ago and still enjoyed all of S2. James' Wild Ride is tedious but ends in such glorious melodrama, Nadine As High-Schooler is silly but a) gets Ed and Norma together and b) has some great funny moments with Mike, little Nicky goes nowhere but Dick Tremayne and Andy as a comedy duo is so worth it. And the fact that it meanders for a while, and just enjoys the characters, actually makes the ramping-up of plot more effective when it comes. (I loved the Diane Keaton episode, with all its visual staginess, in 1991, and 100% loved it again in 2017.)

Well yes for gods sake watch the movie

Xpost

Yeah I mean I don't plan to skip any when next I watch S2 but I don't judge those who do otherwise. The only bits I truly dread watching again are James' wild ride which feels like it was made on a lameness dare or something

Last 3 episodes at least are def worth watching, the final few minutes of the 3rd-to-last one makes you feel like things are back to where they should be.

Windom Earle sucks so much

Yeah he's awful, it's a bummer when you get to Miss Twin Peaks and he stops being craaaaazy and starts actually being effectively unnerving. Too bad about 98% of his screentime!

when you get to Miss Twin Peaks and he stops being craaaaazy and starts actually being effectively unnerving

stealing a truck while grinning manically in Log Lady drag is still p craaazy imo

Yeah I agree that the series regains a sense of narrative purpose towards the end but I hate the windom earle/miss twin peaks/ted raimi/billy zane stuff from that last stretch way more than I hate anything from the midseason slump.

Id never skip any of it tho - the first time I watched it I knew it was supposed to get bad at some point but I was basically delighted all the way through. Objectively I get that there were problems - maclachlan's decision to torpedo what would have been the central storyline was probably fatal, and the decision not to deal with the Palmer story after it's "solved" is downright offensive (the goofs start happening at the wake of the triple murderer who's just been revealed to have been raping his daughter for years). I think if lynch & frost were around more at that point they'd have balanced the tone a bit - certainly the finale and film feel like a massive corrective, almost a rebuke to those episodes - but I like that there are five or so episodes of just hanging out in this world, enjoying the music and the people in a very low-stakes way. I get what's cringey about the robyn lively story eg but how can you not love the mayor?

I also really like the notorious keaton ep. She's trying so hard to be kooky that she basically fills it with ZAZ sight gags, which is just what the wild ride subplot needed.

"Hi, Frank!"

Smart money says John Belushi is going to play Windom Earle's son

that would be impressive

er, Jim Belushi

are there any further belushi since jim/john?

tbf there are a few dead people in this

My serious predictions are Belushi will a) play an FBI agent and b) be surprisingly OK

Also like a 10% chance he shares a scene with Sharon Van Etten

xxpost The son of the living Baloosh is in the biz.

Belushitherium

belushi has been ok in some movies. he's a fine actor too long overshadowed by his dead brother

i mean he's no brian doyle murray but he's good

when i picture him in my mind i unfortunately picture the depiction Dan Clowes did of him in an Eightball story about Chicago bro-ness

Haaaaaa, me too! So hard to shake that image.

Driver actually would have been a good TP addition, fuck, he'd be a halfway decent Bob

― akm, Thursday, March 23, 2017 6:43 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is pretty otm

my favorite thing about Cera remains Armond White calling him a "modern Sterling Holloway"

http://www.dchelsea.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Cera.png

SH seems to have retired in '86, if he'd been well enough i would've expected him to appear on TP in '90.

haha oh man that is great

Brett Gelman would be my pick for nu-Bob

i don't think you could cast any known actor as bob, it has to be someone the audience has never seen before

wasn't the orig guy an electrician?

Set dresser

he was the chifferobe in to kill a mockingbird

also the chifferobe in wise blood

Btw lynch is adamant that this is "a feature film in 18 parts", which is sure to lead to some scintillating debates about lists at the back end of the year

...unless it sucks.

true

then again at least 2/3 of DL's fans would deny that even if it's worse than Wild at Heart

has the reputation of fire walk with me been totally rehabilitated at this point

i remember when i first watched it having many arguments with ppl who thought it was garbage

that bob thing sure was scary. i can still see him creeping over the sofa. man, i had forgotten about all the corny plot lines that came later on. i think i might have a little movie-induced-ptsd from that theatrical film. i thought it was brilliant but i can never bring myself to watch it again. the thought of watching it fills me with dread.

i doubt i'll watch the new show. those pictures up above are pretty cringe-y. it's too bad david lynch couldn't do an entirely new show for television. i would definitely get excited for that.

it's certainly recovered a lot I think - even mark frost admits it's good now (although he'd have to I guess)

xp

"has the reputation of fire walk with me been totally rehabilitated at this point"

people have loved it for years.

xxxpost (shit, people, step away from the keyboard and get a bagel or something!) I never understood that viewpoint, but I've always assumed it had something to do with it not being the continuation of TP that many people wanted it to be. As such, I anticipate tons of bitching when the revival series is inevitably not the continuation of the TP that many people want it to be.

fwwm scared the shit out of me when it came out; for a long time I wasn't sure if it was good but i was sure it was powerful. i now think it's an unruly masterpiece (my favorite kind).

secret diary of LP goes very very well with fwwm

twin peaks doesn't seem like anything that needs to be revived unless its purely for money. which is fine. money is a fine motivation. though i guess its a nice gesture for the cult superfans who still dress up like logs for halloween. david lynch never struck me as nostalgic for his own past.

but that's exactly why we are excited about the revive!

Or, after having been through the failed TV pilot that turned into Mullholland Drive, it gives Lynch a budget and freedom in TV that a brand-new project might not.

tbh I watched that 40-min entertainment weekly reunion vid and I'm basically the opposite of the EW staffer in that the only thing that makes me particularly nervous for this is when maclachlan keeps saying "damn fine coffee" in promotions. I'm more interested in an 18-hour sequel to fwwm than I am in a pure nostalgia exercise

look, no one one wants this to happen but evil mark frost planted a trap long ago (laura palmer's 'i'll see you in 25 years') so now we just have to do this thing

xxp there may be an element of that (it's def true that he wouldn't have been able to do a non-tp project like this) but I believe laura dern when she says that lynch doesn't do things he doesn't feel like doing - I think if he didn't feel there was a story to tell here he would just carry on painting and singing and maybe do another inland empire

I'm still convinced that this is gonna be more 'Chester Desmond and Sam Stanley investigate!' and 'Phillip Jeffries freaks out and disappears!' out-of-left-field WTF-ery than 'now Ben Horne thinks he's a WWII general!!!'.

I'm more interested in an 18-hour sequel to fwwm than I am in a pure nostalgia exercise

otmfm

xxpost Yes, plus my understanding is that Lynch has been trying to get a TP revival off the ground for a long time now, so it's not like someone just proposed this to him sans solicitation and he got dollar signs in his eyes.

really i'm just excited to see 18 hours of david lynch anything. to date, he has about 29 hours worth of stuff he's put out (obviously rough estimate and disregarding commercials, shorts, online things, on the air, etc):

eraserhead: 1h 39m
elephant man: 2h 4m
dune: 2h 17m
blue velvet: 2h 0m
twin peaks: directed pilot, S1E1, S1E2, S2E1, S2E2, S2E7, S2E22, total of 7h 1m
wild at heart: 2h 5m
fire walk with me: 2h 15m
lost highway: 2h 14m
straight story: 1h 52m
mulholland drive: 2h 27m
inland empire: 3h 0m
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28h, 54m

the prospect of 18 new hours, all directed by lynch, makes me droooool

"it gives Lynch a budget and freedom in TV that a brand-new project might not."

netflix wouldn't throw money at him? seems like they would.

in any case, i'm sorry for being a grouch. i'm not a big revival/reunion fan in general. i like when things stop and don't come back. but i totally get that big fans of the characters are excited.

idgaf about the characters, for the most part, it's the geste i wanna go back to

that movie really did freak me out. so intense.

i am watching season 2 of Fargo right now...another thing i didn't think needed to be revisited. but its entertaining enough.

I'm still convinced that this is gonna be more 'Chester Desmond and Sam Stanley investigate!' and 'Phillip Jeffries freaks out and disappears!' out-of-left-field WTF-ery than 'now Ben Horne thinks he's a WWII general!!!'.

― Ambling Shambling Man (Old Lunch), Friday, March 24, 2017 9:57 AM (twenty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

civil war!!!!!

idgaf about the characters, for the most part, it's the geste i wanna go back to

i just want the sick, delirious, true nightmare vibe of fwwm & the last series episode. the less cute character business, the better.

xpost Yes, but the point I was making is that I don't expect Lynch to continue old storylines in exhaustingly pat and predictable ways, e.g. having Ben Horne hallucinate about a different war, or having Nadine Hurley invent something different, or having Piper Laurie disguise herself in say blackface.

(And yes I know Piper Laurie isn't in this.)

i just want the sick, delirious, true nightmare vibe of fwwm & the last series episode. the less cute character business, the better.

^^^this. I want 18 hrs of Lynch, dgaf about cutesy callbacks and character fan service

idgaf about the characters, for the most part, it's the geste i wanna go back to

i just want the sick, delirious, true nightmare vibe of fwwm & the last series episode. the less cute character business, the better.

― Balðy Daudrs (contenderizer), Friday, March 24, 2017 10:28 AM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

both of these are integral to twin peaks' appeal for me. like i actually love fwwm and don't miss the soap opera, quirky, comedic elements from the series when i watch it. but i don't want to watch 18 hours of nightmarishness with no relief

FWWM has many moments of transcendence, but it still feels cruel to me. He made a sequel to a TV show many people enjoyed for its quirkiness and levity and filled it with one nightmarish scene of incestuous rape and sexual abuse after another.

I wouldn't go that far - even the last episode has Shelley, Bobby & Heidi in the diner, Lucy & andy at the beginning. Lynch was always just the best at making the cute stuff part of the same weirdness as the nightmare stuff xp

xpost Yes, but the point I was making is that I don't expect Lynch to continue old storylines in exhaustingly pat and predictable ways, e.g. having Ben Horne hallucinate about a different war, or having Nadine Hurley invent something different, or having Piper Laurie disguise herself in say blackface.

(And yes I know Piper Laurie isn't in this.)

― Ambling Shambling Man (Old Lunch), Friday, March 24, 2017 10:32 AM (fifty-seven seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ah ok, doh. reading comprehension failure on my part. i agree with that, though I'm fairly confident that won't be a problem with the show.

xpost Yes, one of my favorite parts of the last episode was the interminable doddering of the bank security guard.

Del Mibbler!

haha, that security guard was so brilliant. Knowing there's only 44 minutes of air time for the episode and having to watch that while Cooper's in the damn Black Lodge is a really fun trick on the audience

both of these are integral to twin peaks' appeal for me. like i actually love fwwm and don't miss the soap opera, quirky, comedic elements from the series when i watch it. but i don't want to watch 18 hours of nightmarishness with no relief

i'm pretty confident that the lightness of it will still be there to balance out the dark. the lynch-directed episodes are by far my favorites, and they are significantly darker. but they also contain all the lighthearted elements that are emphasized through the rest of the show

I'm guessing FWWM's standing increases greatly after the new series. One of the big knocks against that film was its absence of closure. As a standalone movie it works pretty well, but as the final word of the franchise it's really disappointing, but now it doesn't have to bear that burden anymore

security guard in the finale is one of the best scenes ever filmed imo

I'm guessing FWWM's standing increases greatly after the new series. One of the big knocks against that film was its absence of closure. As a standalone movie it works pretty well, but as the final word of the franchise it's really disappointing, but now it doesn't have to bear that burden anymore

― Evan R, Friday, March 24, 2017 10:38 AM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

are they going to finally talk about judy

yes. also the giggling German waitress reappearing.

xp

It's a riff on tati's playtime btw

just learned this is happening in chicago
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i just learned this thing doesnt even debut til 5/21

lol fankidz

xpost Come for the Duran Duran, stay for...whatever else the guy's done, I guess.

5/21 is not that far away

yeah don't get why that's ridiculous. thread was revived because there was a big story and photo spread in EW.

Forget it, guys, it's Morbztown.

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yah i was watchin' TP when you wuz fingerpaintin'

young biker punks

i watched tp when it was first broadcast*

*the opening sequence, at which time i was sent to bed

I watched it when it originally aired

TP seemed cool at the time but I was more into slap bracelets and MC Hammer. Not much has changed.

me too, i have super great memories of my friends coming over every week to watch it with me on the tv in my parents living room. It's hard to convey how new & fantastical it felt.

xpost

(i was almost 20 so I shouldn't have been living with my parents but yknow)

i watched it and taped all the episodes including pilot movie onto vhs tape. still have some. could watch with era-appropriate commercials.

I was 5 when it aired

I was obsessed with the soundtrack for years before I actually watched the show

I was 5 when it aired

I was obsessed with the soundtrack for years before I actually watched the show

― samovars are trying to steep (wins), Friday, March 24, 2017 1:12 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

same

just you
and i
just you
and i

i taped it often and wd watch 4 eps at a sitting

i invented the bingewatch

*drops mic*

just you
and i
just you
and i

― chip n dale recuse rangers (Jon not Jon), Friday, March 24, 2017 9:22 PM (forty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol I love this scene

I was 14. I got the secret diary of laura palmer
for my 15th birthday

my first-period history teacher would set the class some work on Thursday mornings, then come and talk to me about the previous night's episode

Omg those last 2 stories are perfection. VG have you reread it recently? I've become a staunch secret diary of LP advocate

Y'all know the audiobook read by sheryl lee is coming out in May?

I was obsessed in the abstract with the phenomenon (8th grade at the time) but I probably only watched snatches of the show when it originally aired (I do remember watching the pine weasel wreaking havoc and wondering wtf was up with that). I remember pulling some double-page spread of a TP map(?) out of Entertainment Weekly and poring over that. Then I rented Wild at Heart and later FWWM (which would've been the first full TP thing I actually sat and watched) about eight billion times and then checked the first season and the soundtrack out from the library an additional eight billion times. I never saw the second season until the mid-2000s (when I met someone who owned the complete VHS set) but I'm familiar with everything else on a cellular level at this point.

I was 11 when it first aired. Altered the way I looked at the world for sure.

Think I've made it through 2-1/2 times. I watched the first season when it originally aired; don't think I followed through on the second season. They reran it a few years later on Bravo and I watched the whole thing. I bought the DVDs at a Boxing Day sale 10 years after that and watched it a third time.

I was 17 or so when it aired and obsessed. It absolutely colored my world for a few years. I was also very very ill with stomach problems when it ran and a few times I seriously think waiting for the next episode saved my life a few times. I taped it and watched the whole series through at least 4 times in the coming years. It's been quite a while.

I was also very very ill with stomach problems when it ran

Me too, the sickest of my life. Ulcerative colitis at that point, I weighed 85 pounds

yeah me too! well, bleeding duodenal ulcers brought on by colitis or crohns which healed and scar tissue sealed off my stomach so I lived off liquids for a year and was down to about 110 pounds. Miserable.

I saw the final episode tripping balls with my college roommates and couldn't sleep for a long time haha.

I was maybe just over finger painting when this first aired, so fair point to Morbs.

I was also 11, my parents were fans and I remember watching the intro but always got kicked out before the show started. Then when Wild Palms came out and I had some more TV autonomy I was so excited to be able to experience something from the start but I dropped off after like the second episode. I have to check that out again, sounds crazy.

OH SHIT MAYBE JAMES BELUSHI IS CROSSING OVER HIS CHARACTER HARRY WYCKOFF A BEVERLY HILLS BASED PATENT ATTORNEY AND LATER CEO OF THE WILD PALMS GROUP

I watched some of wild palms recently, it's a slog

anyone expecting anything like the first two seasons of TP is in for a rude awakening with the new season, I'd bet

like this?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_DyGGlXVMdOg/R6NIoIOpqSI/AAAAAAAAASI/IEoxlSnqkaY/s320/Rude+Awakening+1.jpg

lol

I'm more excited for it as a really, really long Lynch film than as a Twin Peaks reunion.

I re-read Wild Palms this year too: Maps To The Stars turned out to be a far closer adaptation than the Wild Palms TV show did. Right down to co-starring Carrie Fisher.

(NB: I have not read or seen any other of Wagner's work in between iirc, possibly all his stuff is exactly the same)

The William Gibson cameo was like "ok this is gonna be a hilarious trainwreck" but then I got bored and fell asleep several hours into the first episode

my parents watched it but i didn't cos i was too young. i do remember the intro.

didn't see the pilot until i was out of high school, and a friend who had that massive VHS boxset initiated me into the Twin Peaks mysteries.

out of every reboot/remake/reunion ever, this is the one i feel like is in the best hands. especially after seeing "The Missing Pieces".

"I re-read Wild Palms this year too: Maps To The Stars turned out to be a far closer adaptation than the Wild Palms TV show did. Right down to co-starring Carrie Fisher."

was maps to the stars based on that comic strip?

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1528224180819917/permalink/1642431169399217/

Is there a way to watch all those FWWM deleted scenes that came out a few years ago without buying the DVD?

I think there is a fan edit of the film with everything put back (i.e. 3.5 - 4 hours long).

whoa, how can I see that?

Are you a bad enough dude for some illegal downloadin'?

The missing pieces was on YouTube at one point but now yeah you need to get the blu ray set. I've not seen the fan edit but it's less than ideal - it involves fucking around with DL's editing of tmp and Mary sweeneys editing of fwwm, some of the deleted scenes are extended versions of fwwm scenes and scored differently. idk maybe it's the word "fanedit" but I'd rather those editors than some internet mook

also like some of these scenes were taken out of fwwm because they should not be in fwwm (although they are great scenes)

the missing pieces is totally available by itself on th3p1ratebay, as is the fan edit of everything together. I haven't watched the latter and I suspect it doesn't flow wonderfully but then neither does the original film in lots of ways. watching the deleted scenes by themselves is thoroughly entertaining. it's great to see the full Bowie scene which makes that whole part a lot less mysterious

I remember reading the script of the deleted scenes many years ago on a fan site (I know, geeky), back when it seemed like they'd been lost forever, and feeling like they were the coolest thing in the world and almost every single one would have made the movie better. There's even one with Heather Graham, right? She ended up with Laura Palmer's ring or something (memories are blurry)? And one that picks up with Cooper and the smashed mirror from the finale?

yep, and that is in there. you also see a nurse steal the ring. some rumors (before dugpa took down the spoilers board) that this plays into season 3.

(a nurse steal the ring from annie....who you see in the hospital)

FlatironBooks‏ @Flatironbooks

Word is out- TWIN PEAKS: The Final Dossier will be in stores on October 31. Get ready! 🦉 @mfrost11

Going to première at Cannes - not the full 18 hours obv, just the first two parts. I can hear the boos already.

Looking for a good book about twin peaks - preferably focusing on prosaic aspects, details on collaboration between lynch and producers, not interested in plot analysis or sensationalism

Reflections is what you are after, although I got a lot out of Full Of Secrets.

Lynch on Lynch is always a solid recommendation.

thanks for those recommendations!

Reflections is essential, just wish it covered the film as well. I'd love to read a follow-up about the showtime series when it's all done & the NDAs expire. Only skimmed Lynch on Lynch but it's a nice counter to the widespread idea that DL is unforthcoming or inarticulate about his films

Any other suckers sign up for Showtime for this?

Looking for a good book about twin peaks - preferably focusing on prosaic aspects, details on collaboration between lynch and producers, not interested in plot analysis or sensationalism

i've read Lynch on Lynch , David Lynch (by Dennis Lim), and Beautiful Dark (by Greg Olson)

for what you're looking for, i'd recommend beautiful dark. Lim's book is very well written but it's slim and if you already know a little about Lynch and his films, you won't learn much. it's been a while since i read Lynch on Lynch, but it's what it sounds like. Beautiful Dark is a tome, compared to the other two, and it's much more of a "fan" book. it packs in a ton of information, including a lot about how the films were made, the funding for them, and the relationships with producers. it also includes a lot of analysis of the films and that kind of stuff. it includes a lot of everything, basically.

"Any other suckers sign up for Showtime for this?"

I probably will do the 15/month thing for the duration of the show. showtime doesn't really air other things I care about (unlike HBO) so I'm sure I'll cancel as soon as it's done. other option would just be to torrent everything but eh.

Another option is just to stream it

Is there any way to stream it, legally or easily in decent quality, without an account with them though? I think they've got my money for the duration of this.

I will be signing up for a monthly sub for this, yes

I might as well (gonna be covering it for 'cast purposes so instant access would be handy)

Yeah, I don't know of any other legal option to see it immediately. I am browsing around their listings and congrats to Showtime on filling a schedule with nothing else I am interested in watching. Wow great, Congo

They have some series I'll check out for the 5 months or however long Twin Peaks takes to run. (Masters of Sex, Homeland, Ray Donovan, maybe the seasons of Weeds I missed)

Ray Donovan is the worst

Is it? OK. Any other Showtime series worth watching?

ummm Homeland is up until "Q&A"

Masters of Sex has some good episodes and performances but really squandered its premise

the first season isn't terrible but yeah it goes really bad really fast after that

I dropped off after season 2 and haven't felt compelled to go back. haven't bothered with Homeland for a few seasons either.

I'm gonna look into Beautiful Dark as well - neither my local library or the university library have these, but I'll see if I can find some reasonably priced 2nd hand versions

http://www.garmonbozia.net

:o

Has anyone read the book "secret history of TP" by Frost?

ya it's kind of a curate's egg tbh, recommended for superfans only. Lots of project blue book type stuff

Much as I love mark frost I think the popular wisdom is exactly backwards: frost is all over the place and lynch is the anchoring force, reining him in and keeping things consistent

I just picked up the Secret History... no spoilers!

https://youtu.be/LB2naaQZbfI

well, it certainly LOOKS good.

know there's plenty of new blood to even it out, but it's little LOL GERIATRIC PEAKS having all the greyed returning characters in a row like that.

That element is the most appealing thing about this!

"Really."

otm

Lynch loves old ppl and also is one

yeah, it's interesting that this is a cast who hasn't, largely, undergone the knife and reconstructive surgery. They look like actual people, 25 years on.

that being said, i would have loved for lara flynn boyle to be in this, strange face and all

she's certainly lynchian looking now, and not in a laura herring/naomi watts/sherilyn fenn way

a surprise cameo as the woman behind the dumpster by winkie's

xxps Woah hey James Marshall underwent a razor: https://youtu.be/3VwbkAMfFlU?t=1m21s

it'd be cool if one of the themes was failure to let go, driven by a town packed with 55-year-old people and little else. wins otm in that lynch will definitely own the ageing thing rather than pretending it's still the '90s.

Cooper doesn't look very evil there. which one is it?

who's the old guy on the bench? harry dean stanton?

yes, crossposted with the "men who look like old lesbians" thread

harry dean stanton turns 91 this year

Not really digging Cooper's auburn hair.

Andy looks smarter

lol

Not really digging Cooper's auburn hair.

There's your sign of evil.

Cooper's hair in footage shot in September 2015 =/ Kyle Maclachlan's hair in interviews shot in May 2017

True, sic.

trying to remember, was harry dean stanton only in "fire walk with me" previously?

btw he is great in that

Re: season 2 and how shitty it gets - is it feasible to watch up to ep 7, which is the last one DL directed until the finale, then skip to the finale? Just trying to save myself a couple of hours

probably, you would miss a lot of ridiculousness that way

I think this is the first time Harry Dean Stanton has been in Twin Peaks.

... he's in FWWM like I just mentioned! Unless you don't count FWWM

oh yes, forgot about the trailer park scenes

He's carl rodd in fwwm, not in the series (but is in the recent book). And yeah, he's great

so I guess that means they are returning to the trailer park/Teresa Banks storyline? Should be interesting.

Yeah the "NEW fat trout trailer park" is one of the locations featured in that teaser from the other week along with RR2go

I want to recreate his 9AM warning sign

I hope we see deer meadow in this

Or do I? It not sure actually

I'm

Re: season 2 and how shitty it gets - is it feasible to watch up to ep 7, which is the last one DL directed until the finale, then skip to the finale? Just trying to save myself a couple of hours

I would catch maybe the two eps after the reveal and the two before the finale. There's some good stuff int here and you still get to skip like 10 episodes

yeah, that's a pretty good way to break it down if you're trying to avoid most of the chaff is S2

the "miss twin peaks" episode is actually the worst, just rewatched it and the writing is sooo embarrassing, like a really bad x-files episode

I think I like the penultimate episode less than most of the ones people really hate.

Xp!

I've been rewatching for a podcast and the truly insulting stretch is ~ eps 12-17. The Diane Keaton ep really is remarkably inept on every level of production.

watch the entire thing.

having said that I have not gotten to the Miss Twin Peaks ep yet, that and the finale are on my to-do list this week xp

I never skip an episode but you could really go from the one before that (which is pretty good & creepy!) into the finale and miss nothing - the pageant happens, windom earle does some stuff any idiot could have figured he was going to do

Simon thanks

I've been listening to that podcast btw! I cheered when ur guest said that mark frost had the worst account on Twitter 👍

yeah it's all worth watching really! if you skip eps then you miss all the camp.

yeah just watch them. They get silly, but the payoff in that final episode is so fantastic and so worth it, you don't want to risk diminishing it

I'm not gonna cram the series (it's all v fresh in my mind) but will prob rewatch the film & missing pieces just before just because

haha thanks wins! I'll pass your cheering onto my guest :)

there's a FWWM fan cut that integrates a bunch of the deleted material that later showed up on the dvd

it's super long, am I a complete masochist if I watch it?

Original run time: 135 minutes
Fan edit run time: 209 minutes

Haha don't ask me, I'm gonna watch them both together (but separately, I've never liked the idea of putting the missing pieces back in) - I'm a stan tho

yeah, I think the pieces separately would make more sense

I don't think I mentioned it here, but seeing FWWM in a theater on a somewhat used 35mm copy is creepy as hell. It's really a horror movie, although nothing is as creepy as the guy behind the dumpster in Mulholland Drive

i don't think the Missing Pieces would go very well with FWWM. many of them seem to be just long, uncut takes, it would probably have a super awkward flow inserted into an already finalized film. watch it separately.

imo you could probably get away with just seeing the Pilot and Final of the original series. introduces all the characters, sets up the main mystery, and does a lot of Black Lodge stuff

that seems a bit like watching "sunrise" at 1.5x speed just to get it over with

hence me saying "get away with". it's obviously not a substitute for seeing the entire thing in full.

no offense but that is not good advice to anyone

the only reason you would do that would be to be able to bluff twin peaks fandom in conversation or something?

moyes extra bitter

oops!

Fair comment

the only reason you would do that would be to be able to bluff twin peaks fandom in conversation or something?

what is the reason for sitting through the pointless shit in season 2 but to do the same thing?

let's talk about the civil war thing, aren't we great for watching them act out a Jetsons sideplot

civil war subplot one of my favorite subplots tbh

Super-Nadine goes to high school is maybe not the greatest subplot but I found the scenes of Big Ed and Norma quite affecting - the combination of joy at finally being together and melancholy of realizing how many years of happiness they had lost through their own stupid decisions.

the only reason you would do that would be to be able to bluff twin peaks fandom in conversation or something?

what is the reason for sitting through the pointless shit in season 2 but to do the same thing?

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, May 5, 2017 10:47 AM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i enjoy the show twin peaks, when i watched it i wanted to see what happened next. there is admittedly quite a fallow stretch in there but the can be said for a lot of tv shows - though generally not to the degree of twin peaks admittedly

Though honestly if Ed and Nadine are still together in the new season I'm not going to have much sympathy.

pining for your high school sweetheart for a full 40 years

one of my great-grandfathers was a womanizer and put my great grandmother through a terrible time with his behavior so i don't feel partic bad for him but the love of his life was a woman he met not long after marrying my great-grandmother and he had an affair with her for like 50 years, giving her the last of his wealth - which he had inherited and squandered throughout his life - shortly before he died

wow

I've been rewatching for a podcast and the truly insulting stretch is ~ eps 12-17. The Diane Keaton ep really is remarkably inept on every level of production.

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, May 5, 2017 4:22 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I've often wondered, is there a story behind how Keaton ended up doing that one episode? I imagine her just one day rocking up at the studio, announcing "I wanna do a Peaks!" and everyone just kind of going, "Uh...okay."

she'd already directed a couple TV shows and a feature documentary (none of which i've seen), but thx for the condescension

someone else would know more but I'm sure she must have had some kind of professional connection to one of the main creatives who were running the show during that stretch when Lynch and Frost were busy with other projects. almost all the non-Lynch and Frost directors and writers were previous collaborators with someone else in the core team

(nor do i recall the quality of Keaton's TP episode)

It's possible the network was cutting their budget later in the series?

as much as I don't want to be unduly mean just because she's a celeb her direction of that ep is truly appalling

also possible, yeah. the network hated it and very nearly had it iced mid-season.

It's weird, there are a lot of stories in the oral history & wrapped in plastic books about Keaton but nothing about how she came to be involved

I dunno, I watched it recently and was entertained - she didn't have great material to work with and threw a lot of fun extraneous visual stuff into every scene to distract the viewer from James angsting over the dullest femme fatale in Washington state.

otm. I don't have a problem w her direction in that ep.

When I watched her ep as a kid it was one of my favorites of that stretch. I didn't know anything about who was directing what, but all the weird visual jokes were a kick. A lot of people were watching the show for how weird it was, so I guess the thinking was "why not give them the good?"

xp The opening closeup through the chess pieces has a visual flair that was missing from the preceding episodes.

it definitely sticks out. could see someone making a case for it being a high point OR low point of that stretch depending on yr appreciation of her OTT style.

god I hate the chess piece closeup (and the Earle chess imagery in general) so much lol

Earle was a misfire start to finish (well, almost - lynch rescues him a bit), pretty much the only bit of goofy peaks that genuinely annoys me

as I said on the show, they needed someone much more naturally weird to play him, not a try-hard theater type. someone like, I dunno, billy zane.

yeah when he's an unseen character the idea of him is super creepy and then when they introduce him he's a corny goofball

the only time he really works for me is in that creepy b&w footage of him ranting in his lab

That and the brief scene with the white face and black teeth

I like how in the finale one of his few bits of dialogue (trimmed down from pages and pages of godawful monologues in the original script) is when lynch directs him to put a flashlight under his chin and just say "I am windom earle!"

has Frost or anybody else ever copped to Earle just being a lazy riff on Hannibal Lecter

Windom Earle's mind is like a diamond: cold, hard and brilliant

cut to ted raimi in a giant chess piece

Lol

hahahaha

Another oddly affecting moment - the episode after Heavy Metal Youth dies in the dumbest possible way, his grief-stricken friend, crying as he recounts his friend's plans to get out of Moses Lake and go to L.A.

"there's a FWWM fan cut that integrates a bunch of the deleted material that later showed up on the dvd

it's super long, am I a complete masochist if I watch it?"

no, it's very well done, I like it a lot.

Windom Earle's mind is like a diamond: cold, hard and brilliant

cut to ted raimi in a giant chess piece

dying

where can we find that fan cut?

internet

a bay where pirates hang out

yarrr

Ilx file sharing would win here

Most egregious of all: it's fucking WYNDHAM.

Were the Missing Pieces sold on their own, or would I have to buy the new Box Set to get it?

Earle was a misfire start to finish

agree. really hard to care about this plot at all. i appreciate the build up (this mysterious guy from Coop's past!) but once he arrives it is a beyond poor substitute for the initial mystery.

http://imgur.com/pIcfOkA.jpg
Coop checks if Audrey has posted an update on her Myface page

i can't stop enjoying the "twin peaks logposting" facebook group

Oh hey, I just remembered a question that occurred to me last time I watched the series: was it ever suggested (on the show or in the apocrypha) that the present-day Hank we see on the show is actually a Black Lodge doppelganger of the real Hank?

has anyone else here read Frost's (out-of-print) Autobiography of Dale Cooper?

Yeah, the whole thing was online at one point (incidentally it's by scott frost, mark's brother) - parts of it were funny but it was a big disappointment after the secret diary of laura palmer.

Btw we can blame Harley peyton for windom earles dumb name, apparently he's named after the actor William windom

there were cool things in that autobiography though, like the severed hands holding (chess pieces? squares from a chess board?)

I am "rewatching" the series (meaning I've just had it endlessly playing in the background while I do other things around the house). I've also been reading a lot of interpretive essays about the show over the past week. It's doing weird things to my brain, I think. But I'm cool with it.

Had never read about Deer Meadow or Judy's identity or the significance of Tibet before. I guess I never went as deep as I thought I'd gone. I ordered the Wrapped in Plastic book, and I'm determined to finish Frost's book and the diary before this new thing gets underway.

@labuzamovies
Watching TWIN PEAKS and it's weird how 90% of what people discuss of this show is only like 10% of screen time.

@BilgeEbiri
By "people" I assume you mean "people today." Cuz when it first aired literally every second of it was thoroughly examined.

@labuzamovies
Oh I'm sure. But what I've picked up from discourse today is Not Really The Show.

they're totally bringing back the Miss Twin Peaks pageant, right?

it's just going to be an 18 hour documentary on the pageant

We made an attempt to get l@buza on the show as my co-host has crossed paths with him, which would have been interesting as I understand he is a bit of a Lynch skeptic. Maybe for one of the new eps.

He's not wrong to say that the more traditionally soapy end of the show (basically anything with Josie, Catherine Martell, etc) take up more screentime than one would expect based on the iconography. I'll be curious to see if Lynch/Frost care to maintain that balance in the new eps.

One thing that's really standing out on this rewatch is how consistently amazing the show looks.

We're deep into rewatching S2 now and even in the most maligned stretches there are always plenty of things that make it worth watching. The James and Josie subplots are completely irredeemable though - the latter just throws this stream of interchangeable sinister background characters at you and there's no reason to care about any of them or who Josie has double-crossed and why.

The show is supposed to be soapy though, and for a while it was an obvious parody but some of those storylines are just terrible on every level.

The Lucy/Andy/Dick scenes work surprisingly well though if only for the performances of the actors involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8biyY3trpc

" would you like a glass of milk, mr. fujimori?"

supposedly jack nance reall had no idea that was piper laurie

I'm reading Brad Duke's book "Reflections" which is just a bunch of interviews with people from the series, and the Mr Fujimori stuff is fucking boring and dumb even when they discuss it, I skipped all of it.

Good book and recommended BTW. Kimmy Robertson talks about the Andy / Dick / Little Nicky stuff a bit as well.

It might be dumb, but I don't think it's boring that Piper Laurie suggested her disguise be a Japanese man and Lynch was totally on board with it.

I get the impression that David Lynch isn't a guy who has this high conceptual bar for weird ideas. "You want to be disguised as a Japanese man? We could make that work!"

do we have any reference for ideas Lynch has shot down

I need to re-read the screenplay for Ronnie Rocket. If anything ever supported your assertion...

I get the impression that David Lynch isn't a guy who has this high conceptual bar for weird ideas. "You want to be disguised as a Japanese man? We could make that work!"

do we have any reference for ideas Lynch has shot down

Like half of the script for the season 2 finale, for a start

Sad that Ontkean won't be returning. He grounds the story.

He referred to himself as the designated driver

Robert Forster tho!

guys i'm scared about this

"do we have any reference for ideas Lynch has shot down"

the Reflections book indicates he was really angry about a Twin Peaks High School t-shirt that someone licensed. Of all things

i can feel that

A Funko Pop Laura Palmer is totally cool, though, apparently.

as long as it's wrapped in plastic

Those things are so gross

Lynch is v particular about certain things - there's also the story of one of the directors wanting to have someone carry a blue suitcase in one scene and word coming down quite swiftly that this was not to be allowed as there were strict rules about when the colour blue could be shown

did Fred Elmes shoot any of the episodes, old or new?

No, peter deming shot the new series

Lynch is v particular about certain things - there's also the story of one of the directors wanting to have someone carry a blue suitcase in one scene and word coming down quite swiftly that this was not to be allowed as there were strict rules about when the colour blue could be shown

this feels fairly reasonable to me. i dunno if he takes this from theatre or if theatre takes it from movies but in theatre it is p common for this kind of colour control. it's not that hard a thing to police, i guess.

He said in an interview that the new season is "pretty much wall to wall teal and orange"

I know I was pretty young when Twin Peaks aired and really only got into it later as a Lynch fan, but the kids posting in this facebook group are really something. Kid with a "dead laura palmer" tattoo posing next to Sheryl Lee is killing me

whoops, here's the link:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1528224180819917/permalink/1675484862760514/

If I were to get a TP tattoo, it would be that kid from the pilot who slams his locker shut with a spin and does that funky arm wave down the hallway.

In fact...hell, I have some PTO to use up. To the parlor I go!

I get the impression that David Lynch isn't a guy who has this high conceptual bar for weird ideas. "You want to be disguised as a Japanese man? We could make that work!"

that wasn't a weird idea that was a "WEIRD IDEA" LOOK AT THIS WEIRD SHOW GUYS YOU KNOW HOW THIS SHOW IS WEIRD WELL LOOK AT THIS

"do we have any reference for ideas Lynch has shot down"

spoiling the main mystery of the show halfway through the second season. "It's like killing the goose that laid the golden egg"

yeah that briefcase story is in Reflections. i highly recommend that book if you're interested in hearing about the making of the TV series. It will certainly lay to rest any sense you had that Frost and Lynch had any master plan at the outset or anyone had any idea what they were doing. I wish there were a few more writers interviewed though. someone does say there was no series bible that laid anything about. And the final episode seems to have been rewritten by Lynch on the fly. though pointedly, he was not the one who came up with the idea of Bob being in Coop.

I get the impression that David Lynch isn't a guy who has this high conceptual bar for weird ideas.

I'm not sure I understand this point?

the idea of some malevolent entity that exists in some otherworldly lodge and possesses people to do unspeakable acts has, we'll say, some layers but some directors would literally have _everything_ be this "deep" because they have some sort of commitment to weird, spooky shit

Lynch is more of a "hmm, let's run with it, I like it" guy where he's inspired by a set dresser's reflection and casts the guy as a malevolent entity. you go to David Lynch and say "hey what if I'm disguised as a japanese man" and he just goes "hmm, sure!"

honestly it's this creative flow that doesn't always work but I never think of David Lynch as the guy who is sitting there specifically trying to come up with the most mind-blowing weird shit, he is just good at being David Lynch

Yes, that is precisely how I use 'Lynchian': not in reference to faaar out weeeeeirdness but more in terms of an artist's willingness to plumb their own weird-ass subjective experience and present it sans filter.

That might be the most Lynch-ian tendency: to have this malevolent undercurrent, the shape of which is never really known, underlying the entire plot but always slightly out of reach. As soon as you have Laura Palmer's killer and not just this lingering dread, you end up having to tell the story of what the Black Lodge really is, and he really had no idea because his work isn't meant to be anything other than multivalent unless you go back to Blue Velvet

adding nothing of value to this thread other than i am so unfeasibly fucking hyped about this. i just saw that variety photo shoot with lynch in the back seat and figuratively wet my pants.

v curious about Dern's role

The variety article suggests she's in the car with Cooper quite a bit so another cop / fbi agent maybe ?

also hoping Michael Bisping becomes a Lynch regular.

Was just reminded by something I read yesterday that Lynch has explicitly said before that Lost Highway is set in the same world as Twin Peaks. Worth noting, perhaps, that Balthazar 'Who On Earth Would've Thought To Cast Me In Something In 2017' Getty is in the revival.

Feel like one of the main problems of the second season is trying to explain the mechanics / connections of a world that doesn't need to make sense and was thinking yesterday about how pervasive and desperate the youtube clickbait economy for this is gonna be. Hundreds of explainers and recaps cast into the void.

dude i have been cringing everytime i hop onto youtube and see these 15 minute long "10 Reasons Why Twin Peaks is Brilliant" videos. it's going to be ridiculous.

best way to experience the show is going in cold.

Is Michael Cera going to be Lucy and Andy's kid? He's about the right age and temperament.

large part of me hopes this will be some lynchian subversion of prestige tv (rather than murder mystery/soaps) but so different from the the original that it's completely panned and ignored.

Top ten reasons why Twin Peaks is awesome:

10. Babes: The chicks on this show were total babes. Except for the old ones, who weren't babes.
9. 'Damn fine coffee!': Twin Peaks brought us the phrase 'Damn fine coffee!', which is fun to drop into casual conversation, and everyone always appreciates hearing it out of context.
8. That midget: He was weird and cool. And he talked weird! Weird.
7. Laura Palmer: Laura Palmer was cool (but dead).
5. Agent Cooper: It was cool how he called his tape recorder Diane. Cool!
2. The Red Room: Nothing is cooler than red curtains, am I right, guys?
1. Twin Peaks: What can I say? Twin Peaks was just cool. And that's okay. And here's why.

I wonder if lynch watched true detective & ifso what he thought

apparently yes:

"I basically liked the two characters, so that was the best part of it for me.

(If Nic Pizzolatto ever reached out) Nope, no one ever reached out!

(If he noticed any parallels with Twin Peaks) No, no, no. I just liked the show, and that was it."

http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/news/david-lynch-true-detective-ronnie-rocket-kanye-west/

The variety article suggests she's in the car with Cooper quite a bit so another cop / fbi agent maybe ?

It looked like she was describing one of their scenes together in Blue Velvet and the author misconstrued it as being about TP.

was thinking yesterday about how pervasive and desperate the youtube clickbait economy for this is gonna be. Hundreds of explainers and recaps cast into the void.

this is already happening. i'm gonna be blocking channels for months.

now I'm picturing David Lynch in a dark room with a large tv just binging television

That might be the most Lynch-ian tendency: to have this malevolent undercurrent, the shape of which is never really known, underlying the entire plot but always slightly out of reach.

Yeah this is otm. It's also why Mulholland Drive was so fun as a movie but probably wouldn't have worked as a TV show. I really don't want to know the origins of the cowboy or the tall man, or why they're vested in a movie casting. It's just cool that they're there.

i'm rewatching now and i'm about halfway through the first season and i know this is, like, obvious, but jeez what a perfect season of television

i think when i first watched the show eight years ago on some terrible website stream i, like whoever morbs was quoting upthread, was surprised at how dedicated the show was to its soapier dimensions, but i think at this point i think that even the more melodramatic and cliche plots are kind of incredible in how they equally hang in this universe of strangeness as the arcs tied to laura's murder

i did show the pilot to my parents and every time bobby was on screen my stepdad asked "is the acting supposed to be bad"

when the ratings were good in the first season, it's bcz ppl who liked soap operas were watching it.

now that I think about it, the whole "disguised as a japanese man" subplot we mentioned above sounds like something a daytime soap opera would introduce without blinking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFMen60b6UQ

started reading Reflections last night. It is making me emotional. Reading the Bobby, James, Audrey, Shelley, Laura actors talking about how it was the experience of their life + a magical time, I can't help but intuit the decades of middling projects that have undoubtedly ensued for these folks. It's far better to have that kind of magical experience in youth than to not have it at all, of course, and it surely fuels you forever, but it can also be painful when you look back as a middle aged person on the vast tracts of not-magical drudgery that came later etc

are you calling erotic thriller classic Two-Moon Junction "not-magical"?!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlECLI34eCg

Before men were mad,
Before thrones played games,
Before bad was broken,
Before the dead walked,
Before they got lost,
There was wonderful and strange.

this is kinda bleghr. the self-congratulatory language of Golden Age of Television.

the whole "disguised as a japanese man" subplot we mentioned above sounds like something a daytime soap opera would introduce without blinking

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/6f/40/cb/6f40cbbed0cceb3997bf67bd00d9865b.jpg

It's better to have had a hit and lose than never to have a hit at all

Xps madchen amick said in an interview just recently that since TP was her first job she then had to spend several years learning that the magic of working on a lynch production was not the norm

(Sleepwalkers being the one exception I have to assume)

A pitfall of generalizing from one's experience acting in a Lynch project is that he tends to hire either jaw-droppingly amazing actors or folks who are maybe not exactly masters of the craft (but from whom he's able to coax performances that work very well within the context of his tableaux) with very little middle ground, and it maybe takes a brutal kind of honest self-assessment to accept that you're much more likely to fall in the latter category than the former.

According to lynch the project he's been working on since finishing twin peaks is this table he's building; the performances he manages to get out of limited/"bad" actors seem to epitomise the adage "a bad workman blames his tools"

(By epitomise I guess I mean "exemplify by contrast")

I should have added that I too am unreasonably hyped for this fucking show

According to lynch the project he's been working on since finishing twin peaks is this table he's building

this is a.... for...mi...ca table

green... is its color!

RIP Michael Parks :-(

What! Aw, man. I just rewatched the first Jean Renault episode last night.

ah shit

RIP

Lots of fun parks stories in reflections. He sounds like he was a nightmare to work with tbh - apparently he insisted on the accent despite protests from the directors that it didn't match up with the other Renault brothers, and refused to raise his voice to a more audible volume (both correct choices). Jean & Jacques both walked that line between creepy and ludicrous so well

I loved his delivery of his final monologue about how TP used to be a nice town where you could sell drugs to teenagers in peace

love of his choice of bad french accent instead of bad french canadian accent.

he was really great in twin peaks. would've been a better windom earle!

I thought he looked and sounded more Swiss than anything else, but hey

"are you calling erotic thriller classic Two-Moon Junction "not-magical"?!?"

she made that before Twin Peaks, and in fact, her performance in that is what led to her getting cast in TP, so she probably doesn't think poorly of that move

haha oh wow I had no idea about the chronology there, I def didn't see it til afterward (oddly my gf at the time insisted on us seeing it)

i did not know that either!

i did show the pilot to my parents and every time bobby was on screen my stepdad asked "is the acting supposed to be bad"

bobby is legit one of my favorite performances in anything and my favorite expression of the show's perch right on the uncanny cliff of parody. always so fearlessly chintzy but so real imo. all of his scenes with his parents are transcendent (have you ever killed anyone, dr. jacoby? my father has / in wartime. that's different / DIFFERENT FROM WHAT?) and he basically makes the a palazzo of some fantastic proportion scene just with his face and posture.

large part of me hopes this will be some lynchian subversion of prestige tv

i keep thinking about this too, like maybe m.t. wentz now recaps the morally complex reboot of invitation to love. everybody otm that the industrial exegesis we're in for is a grim prospect either way and i hope the show trolls it a lil.

Major Briggs was a perfectly conceived and cast character.

Do you think it's very likely Lynch is hooked into "prestige TV"?

One of the times I saw him speak he replied to a question about recent arthouse-hit films from China, "I know next-door-to-nothing about contemporary Chinese cinema..."

think it's entirely likely you could be aware of popular tv and not know anything about Chinese arthouse.

like, that's 98% of america

I'm just realizing this time 'round watching TP that Bobby Briggs is basically Dark Zach Morris.

obv the original show is v aware of popular tv of its time/earlier but sure maybe in the intervening years he's just kept thinking about peyton place and as the world turns. that'd be fine too. pretty sure mark frost saw e.g. mad men tho.

apparently lynch and frost were not aware of, nor were they fans of when they saw it, peyton place

which I find hard to believe but that's what Reflections said. can't remember who said it though.

apparently yes:

"I basically liked the two characters, so that was the best part of it for me.

(If Nic Pizzolatto ever reached out) Nope, no one ever reached out!

(If he noticed any parallels with Twin Peaks) No, no, no. I just liked the show, and that was it."

http://welcometotwinpeaks.com/news/david-lynch-true-detective-ronnie-rocket-kanye-west/

― devvvine, Wednesday, May 10, 2017 1:55 PM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

In this interview, he says:
"I like Mad Men, Breaking Bad, and True Detective. [Breaking Bad] was a great show. Really great show."

Lynch shoulda cameoed on MM

always so fearlessly chintzy but so real imo

which is why the songbird at the end of blue velvet is the true herald of twin peaks

you could be aware of popular tv and not know anything about Chinese arthouse.

yeah, i didn't mean to pair them directly, but i wdn't be surprised if Lynch has barely been exposed to either. Like when Scorsese did his survey-of-US-cinema doc, he stopped around Barry Lyndon because, he said on camera, as a filmmaker you're more consumed by your own creations than others' work.

There was a recent interview (sight & sound?) where lynch said he'd only ever binge-watched one show (can't remember which) and named a few others he had enjoyed (the ones mentioned above p much) but said nowadays he only watches the news

fiction falling short lately

Ha yeah

Re contemporary Chinese cinema, he's always said he's not a cinephile, claims never to have seen any maya deren &c. Also apparently eats the exact same meal every day so I can see him paring down his viewing habits in a similar way. Dude seems to just live for work. Someone should tell him to watch better call Saul tho

Did you know that Joan Chen is now... a food blogger?

https://hungryempress.com/

claims never to have seen any maya deren

this seems crazy to me. always assumed she was a major influence.

That just blew my mind
Also had no idea she is in Marco Polo!

has he said if he's ever seen Scorpio Rising?

That can't be right re: Maya Deren.

Hitchcock's "Vertigo" is probably way more influential for him than any of the experimental film heros

hasn't he said his biggest film influence is the Wizard of Oz

Vertigo + Wizard of Oz makes a lot of sense tbh

yeah I think between those two you've covered the majority of his ouevre

Yeah I don't necessarily believe him re deren but I'm sure he's said that xps

His 3-ep role in Louie was great.

Vertigo + Wizard of Oz makes a lot of sense tbh

Also sunset blvd

his early art background has a lot of painting, his first couple of films were just stop motion paintings. i could see him skipping out on film showings to see some abandoned factories or whatever.

also Peyton Place

I wonder if he liked True Detective season two

I could totally see him not watching Deren

Nick Pinkerton on the sonic landscapes

Badalamenti was nearly 50 when he first came to work with Lynch, and nothing on his résumé to date suggested he was destined for greatness in film scoring when he was brought on to coach Isabella Rossellini in her performance of the title track by producer Fred Caruso—perhaps because it was believed that the Bensonhurst-Sicilian Badalamenti would have some blood- kinship with the roots of doo-wop and 1950s music. Cruise came on board after Lynch’s plans to use the cover of Tim Buckley’s “Song to the Siren” recorded by This Mortal Coil on their 1984 album It’ll End in Tears was rendered impracticable by a $50,000 licensing fee. Instead he recruited Badalamenti to do something that approximated the same mood...

https://www.filmcomment.com/article/playing-along-the-music-of-twin-peaks/

speaking of Wizard of Oz, I liked this comparison:

http://fluorescences.tumblr.com/post/157911557739/doctordune-50-shades-of-dune-via

i like twin peaks. wild at heart and elephant man and mullholland drive are fine. eraserhead and lost highway and inland empire have their moments. dune and straight story are excellent. but lynch is at least 50% chauncey gardner. his admirers over-attribute many of his indulgent filagrees to artistic derring-do, and hear his sun-bleached missoula truisms as gnostic wisdoms. if you strip away his cadences, roll back the hairline, lose the TM, fling off the artist® halo, you're left with a wacky midwestern grand-dad who makes funky and somewhat subjective movies about his pet obsessions – small-town violence, the subjugation of women, being an outsider, teen romance, americana, spooky monsters, etc. typical 1950s boy stuff. but lynch is abetted by hugely talented collaborators and has a great eye, and so he's earned the label of auteur. but i don't think 'auteur' is necessarily deserved – he's just lucky to have worked with a great stable of talent. i'm not not for or against him, but the cultishness surrounding twin peaks guarantees its success, even if it sucks. if it's bad (baggy, dull, disorganized, self-indulgent, misogynistic) its devotees will its inaccessibility as a sign of integrity. if it's traditional, in that it hews closely to what the majority of people like about S1/S2 pt 1, it won't seem substantially different than a lot of other television currently en vogue, and that will be validation to the True Fans that, all along, Lynch knew the way to make good television.

Cruise came on board after Lynch’s plans to use the cover of Tim Buckley’s “Song to the Siren” recorded by This Mortal Coil on their 1984 album It’ll End in Tears was rendered impracticable by a $50,000 licensing fee. Instead he recruited Badalamenti to do something that approximated the same mood...

― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, May 10, 2017 2:44 PM (thirty-seven minutes ago)

Funny, he ended up using it in Lost Highway:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Laf8bhSeGNY

i don't think 'auteur' is necessarily deserved – he's just lucky to have worked with a great stable of talent

or both have you seen this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Short_Films_of_David_Lynch

it is just such a hilarious statement to make. have you even watched Eraserhead?

"dune and straight story are excellent. "

are you insane

also where do you rank blue velvet in that list?

dune and straight story are excellent, he's right there

sun-bleached missoula truisms... wacky midwestern grand-dad...

― remy bean, Wednesday, May 10, 2017 3:22 PM (twenty minutes ago)

Lynch only spent his first 2 months in Missoula. He was raised in Spokane & Boise and then moved to DC just before high school. He went to college in Boston & Philadelphia and then has lived the last 47 years in Los Angeles.

http://www.lynchnet.com/bio.html

remy w the challops

i'm not even sure of the point of remy's post.

like i get wanting to take a shot at fanboys or whatever, but that post didn't exactly do a good job of making Lynch look like he's nothing strange or special.

anyway. regarding Twin Peaks alone, the Lynch directed episodes are generally so far ahead of the non-Lynch directed episodes. that's case enough for him.

I can easily get hyperbolic about Lynch's place in America cinema, largely because he really is such an outlier among his contemporaries. Subsequent generations of American director/auteur types have navigated a much different industry and generally been much more conservative/derivative (thinking of highly stylized cvs of Tarantino, PT Anderson, Wes Anderson, Fincher, etc.) and generally seem much more comfortable w their position in mainstream cinema culture, whereas Lynch is still really this cult-y, insular dude that is still uniquely and thoroughly American.

I kinda feel the opposite way from Remy, that Lynch elevates and really pushes his collaborators to another level, Fisk, badalamenti, Frost and his fingerprints are all over their work when they're working with him. And there are moments of lynch that are so pure. The in-camera special effects. The rabbits scenes in IE, Dorothy's apartment in BV. Too many to list really. You only have to watch his Lumiere Brothers film to know why he's so singular.

Ideally a true auteur will make themselves the centre of a constellation of very untalented people

A lot of the TP directors were actually very talented (esp Lesli Linka Glatter and Tim Hunter, Stephen Gyllenhaal had some good ones as well), there's just a difference between being able to just tap into Lynch's sensibility and having to work or guess at it. Some of the most interesting images actually come from non-Lynch episodes - the terrifying shot of Earle in whiteface with black teeth is in a Hunter ep f'rinstance

straight story is excellent, dune very much is not

no shade on the other directors who worked on the show, but the Lynch episodes are unquestionably stand outs and highlight the point that he was more than just his collaborators.

and 'wins' otm

I don't agree with remy's overall direction but there's a truism in there -- I think people misunderstand _what kind_ of creator David Lynch is. There's this expectation that regardless of output, artists that get tagged as auteurs have some deep back catalog of references they're drawing on.
I don't even know if Lynch is that interested in americana or hollywood but it's the framework he keeps drawing on for film and television that at the core are more about mood or spirit -- the energy coalescing just around the borders of what's happening on screen

maybe all his stuff is actually a very convoluted advertisement for transcendental meditation

there's probably an interesting parallel there: the HQ of the transcendental meditation group Lynch is a proponent of is in a rural midwestern town, and there's very much a dual culture between the locals and the TM group

the locals refer to the TM group as "The Bookhouse Boys"

I would think the Bookhouse Boys would be locals trying to keep the TM people in check tbh

I can't really connect with this discussion because we're talking about possibly uninteresting 1950s concerns while also arguing over whether someone deserves to be called an "auteur"

xp

in real life, you would be correct. In Twin Peaks, it's the opposite. Cooper was an honorary member of the Bookhouse Boys, an enthusiast of attaining a higher level of consciousness, and the obvious stand-in for Lynch.

yes my joke was that david lynch is part of the black lodge irl

Cautiously moving beyond the apex (s2 ep7) and so so far so good. Getting some Overlook hotel vibes from the Great Northern now and noticing some Jack Torrance / Leland Palmer parallels wrt mirrors revealing a different reality, and even his facial expression in private after hearing the police have arrested Ben is kind of close to that long take of Jack staring out at the snow.

Have you gotten to agent cooper delivering the last rites scene yet
That made me cry last time I saw it

DL said The Shining "grew on me," but Lolita was his fave Kubrick film. I see some Quilty and Humbert in some of the TP characters.

http://www.davidlynch.de/montag.html

First promo to feature some new faces.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsdRG0mJj-w

I'm excited for this.

I've long been excited for this simply because it's an 18-hour Lynch project. The fact that it's Twin Peaks is just the maple syrup on the ham.

wow stunned by how absolutely gorgeous almost every shot in that promo is

casual fans probably need to prepare for the new episodes to feel much more like fwwm than the original show

My friend Sean Bolger (Morbs saw him in a show I directed in '12) is the guy driving the car at 0:50.

as one would expect, excellent sound design

I've long been excited for this simply because it's an 18-hour Lynch project. The fact that it's Twin Peaks is just the maple syrup on the ham.

Yeah I mean it's both for me, I'm probably equally excited to go back to this world and to get the four-hour (for starters!) follow-up to inland empire I've been waiting for

as one would expect, excellent sound design

― Οὖτις, Thursday, May 11, 2017 1:59 PM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yep

Alan Splet? is he still active?

Died ages ago - the equally well-named John neff might be involved tho

Lucy!

looks nice. pretty cool to not know who a majority of those people we see are.

casual fans probably need to prepare for the new episodes to feel much more like fwwm than the original show

― Evan R, Thursday, May 11, 2017 3:45 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This for damn sure. I already expect it to be panned by people who are all UHHH WHY IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT HOW GOOD COFFEE IS AND WHY WAS THERE JUST A HALF HOUR SCENE OF A WEIRD OLD WOMAN TRYING VAINLY TO PLUCK AN UNREALISTICALLY LONG EYEBROW HAIR, WHAT IS THIS CRAP.

i.e. I can imagine a number of people approaching this with less than open minds and not in the best of faith.

idk

the trailers are certainly emphasising the darkness of it all but I think it would be a shame if it didn't retain some of the humour of the original

I've long been excited for this simply because it's an 18-hour Lynch project. The fact that it's Twin Peaks is just the maple syrup on the ham.

― Chris L

wow stunned by how absolutely gorgeous almost every shot in that promo is

― Evan R

me too and otm

Yeah, it's exciting to see Lynch getting a real deal budget for this thing. I mean, the rough digital look for Inland Empire worked in its favor, but fuck, the full on beautiful DV for this...

The idea that fwwm is some radical departure from the show doesn't feel right to me. It's an extension of the episodes Lynch directed. I don't see it as all that different from those.

The bulk of it isn't but the core of FWWM is much darker and madder than season 2 was.

plus all the explicit sex and drugs

well, not so much sex as partial nudity

all the explicit partial nudity!

Tonally they're very different. Obviously there's overlap, but one was a quirky, soap opera-y, sometimes broadly comic show about a colorful town filled with mysteries. The other was a 2 and a half hour horror film about a young girl repeatedly raped and abused by multiple men, then murdered by her demonically possessed father.

The show got very heavy sometimes (especially in its handling of grief), but the film took the element of psychological terror to a whole new level, and rarely broke for levity.

The Lynch-directed finale of the show remains one of the scariest things I've ever seen on television (I'm still in awe of it), but even that very intense episode wasn't as ceaselessly unsettling as the film

^^^ this

Teaser looks and sounds as gorgeous as I was hoping. Very excited for this.

Is the twin peaks finale the best single episode in tv history? I don't know just tossing it out there

I think I'm the One Weird Lynch fan who madly goes to bat for most of his stuff but still thinks FWWM and the TP finale are just OK.

Is it the episode where Maddy gets killed and the giant appears to everyone in the bar saying "It's happening again" and the music plays and everyone looks horrified and is crying? That's kind of the pinnacle of TP for me.

i was about to say, the scene panning over everyone in the Roadhouse just blows my mind. I could stare at Donna in that scene for hours. I'm a little apprehensive about the new season but then I think about that scene and the fact that Lynch is directing and I figure even it flops and doesn't add up to anything there'll still be moments that make it worthwhile.

TBH, a handful of scenes like that in this entire stretch and I'll be happy. Definitely gotten a little drunk and played the same few TP clips with friends in the past over and over. The Bobby/Major Briggs dream scene still breaks me.

I guess I prefer dreamy mystical sad Lynch to abstruse horror Lynch when it comes down to it? Idk, prefer a blend of the both, and FWWM and the TP finale seemed to lack the former.

Finale is still the best ep, but yeah it's hard to top that scene with the giant and the sobbing. Such a beautiful way of letting the audience process the horror and the loss. I

'd be curious to find out what show ABC aired directly after that episode. Can't imagine watching that and then seeing, like, an episode of Doogie Howser or Coach afterward

If memory seves - and I was tripping when I watched that last episode - it was followed by the local (I was then in Philly) news.

*serves

Literally just finished watching the episode with Maddy's murder (not the finale, btw, but rather very early in s2) and...fuck, that thing just never loses its edge at all. I cannot fathom being, like, a juvenile ca. '91 with a frothy investment in this quirky pop culture phenom and being confronted with that episode.

Still never encountered anyone who was a kid or hip adult who encountered this as it aired.

I fucked that up. Bed soon.

just saw FWWM again, this time on 35. fuuuuuuuuuu

Still never encountered anyone who was a kid or hip adult who encountered this as it aired.

I watched both seasons as they aired, and then saw the film in the theater, and that was the last I ever set eyes on any of it. Since I don't have Showtime, I still have a chance to refresh my memory I guess.

Is the twin peaks finale the best single episode in tv history?

Have you ever seen the finale of The Prisoner, KM?

or "Chuckles Bites the Dust" from the MTM Show?

or that Bilko episode where they accidentally induct a chimpanzee into the Army?

(seriously, watch all of The Prisoner, in sequence)

Nope!

I know, for shame. In fact I've only seen the first handful of prisoner episodes. My watching around 2012 was overtaken by events as the saying goes, I guess.

the prisoner is good fun, yes

love the prisoner but the finale is rough going

When TP originally ran in here, I was 10/11, and wasn't allowed to watch it (mostly because they aired it pretty late in the evening)... But for some reason I saw one episode by chance, and that happened to be the one where Leland/Bob kills Maddie, and we find out he killed Laura too. As you can imagine, it left quite an impression on my 11-year old mind.

Then they reran the whole series in 1994, and that's when I watched the rest of it. It was a bit bummer that I already knew who the killer was, but OTOH it allowed me to spot some of the foreshadowing, such as Leland breaking the glass of Laura's portrait and tainting it with his blood.

That was an accident! Iirc either wise or zabriskie genuinely cut themselves & wise (who did not know he was the killer) had the idea to smear the blood on the portrait

I watched the original run and then FWWM at the movies. Have been a Lynch fan since "Elephant Man"

Aside from the pine weasel episode that I randomly saw as a kid (which was, let's say, not the most auspicious introduction to the show), FWWM was my real introduction to TP. So I always knew who the killer was, but I can't say it affected my enjoyment any when I finally took the plunge.

I watched the original run as it aired, including one episode that I could barely make out on a snowy/static-y tv in a motel that didn't have cable.

I saw more episodes of On The Air in its original run (like at least two) than I did Twin Peaks.

Speaking of: why the eff hasn't that show ever gotten a home video release?

Frost said in his AMA that they're looking into releasing on the air as an extra on the new twin peaks blu ray set

I was 21 when it ran originally - neither hip nor adult but obsessional.
I saw the finale in my parents' house, drunk, sleeping on a windowbox bench seat with my extended family staying in the house. Absolutely etched in my mind after 25 years. Thought a lot of S2 was rubbish but knew that it was somehow essential, and watched it all again on VHS 3x, DVD 2-3x and the blurays last year. Perhaps ... too many times.
Oh and On the Air is terrible as I recall. An in-joke stretched to breaking point.

i dont think i've watched the whole thing in like eight years and there are so many tiny, gorgeous moments in this show. i'm thinking of leland dancing and crying at the great northern and everyone trying to cover it up in front of the icelanders, and audrey watching him from across the room and crying too

i was 20 when the pilot aired, watched everything. Moved from Minnesota (one place v important to Twin Peaks creative teams) to the Olympic Peninsula WA (basically TP itself) in the time between the pilot and the series (NB this move was in no way an expression of my fandom but it sure affected the level of appreciation i'd have)

S2 ep 9 - where Coop delivers the last rites to Leland - that's really the pinnacle imo, more so than ep 7. Just a very well crafted episode. Coop recaps and connects all the clues, there's the climax with Leland, and a nice denouement in the woods with coffee when they wonder where Bob has gone

Yeah, looking forward to watching that one tonight, and then kinda paying half attention to the rest of the season while I pay bills and wash dishes or whatever. Whatever I need to do to get to the finale by next weekend.

Next weekend, guys. It just really hit me last night. Wow, Bob. Wow.

calstars otm

Leland, the time has come for you to seek the path. Your soul has set you face-to-face with the clear light, and you are now about to experience it in all its reality, wherein all things are like the void and cloudless sky, and the naked, spotless intellect is like a transparent vacuum, without circumference or center. Leland, in this moment, know yourself, and abide in that state… Look to the light, Leland. Find the light.

www.lionsroar.com/into-the-light-with-dale-cooper-review-may-2014/amp/

Legit cried at that part last time

I don't give a shit about any of the other characters involved in the mill storyline but the fact that Pete Martell could never be involved in this thing is really sad, because Pete is easily in my top three Twin Peaks characters. (The others being Coop and Audrey obviously).

Having just watched FWWM and with Lynch saying that it's key to the new series, I wonder if he didn't straight-up recast Donna again.

yeah that was one of the big letdowns of season 2. the mill storyline felt bungled, characters i cared about from the very start (Pete, Josie) ruined and abused and pushed to the side in favor of the yawn-worthy Thomas Eckhardt sideplot

poor Pete, after that fire, he was fucked and useless

btw i'd tot forgotten Kyle Mac played Ray Manzarek

http://www.bam.org/film/2017/peak-performances

lol never forget. excellent wig/sideburns

I knew Ben's brother looked familiar

I was also 11 years old when the Maddy episode aired. My dad started screaming during the Leland/Bob murder sequence and kicked me out of the room. I watched at a friend's house on VHS a few months later, then had nightmares for the next decade.

I was so terrified I couldn't bring myself to watch the finale until I was in college.

the first episode of season two i feel like doesn't get celebrated enough, there's so much incredible harrowing stuff in it, from coop's dream of the tall man to maddie seeing a weird shadow in the rug

i did completely forget that it's like 1.5 hours long

poor Pete, after that fire, he was fucked and useless

Amazing at chess though.

xp the shadow Maggie sees on the rug was supposed to be BOB's face but they couldn't get the FX right.

xp the shadow Maggie sees on the rug was supposed to be BOB's face but they couldn't get the FX right.

― Chris L, Friday, May 12, 2017 11:40 AM (two seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol that makes sense. still lynch's framing and sheryl lee's performance sell the hell out of it

sheryl lee acting terrified = me being legit terrified, every time

the fuckin' palmer living room is one of the worst places in visual storytelling history

Room 237 vibes for sure

YES. Every shot of the living room in the episode where Maddie dies is so portentious. Even the seemingly-bucolic scene toward the beginning with the slow pan as Louis Armstrong plays and the family enjoys a gentle Folgers moment.

i do so love to stress out to the slowed-down orchestra stuff from twin peaks archive, which I know was used in several contexts but I always picture the palmer living room while listening

http://i.imgur.com/CgxkrBe.jpg

here ya go

http://www.slantmagazine.com/features/article/twin-peaks-every-episode-ranked

also on those lines https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/27/watching/twin-peaks-how-to-watch-guide.html

Cool, thanks for reminding me that the two worst episodes are the next two I'll be watching (dog-sitting this weekend, so it's all Twin Peaks and poopie walks for me today).

Two things: Ray Wise's face is an absolute marvel, and the Coop/Truman bromance is the thing whose absence will be most glaring in the new series. Thanks, Ontkean!

i also just rewatched fwwm after not seeing it since being 13 or 14 when it came out...... it was more straight-fwd? if thats the right term than i recalled... there is also just too much laura and shes too damaged to be such a central character imo, needs more coop

If Dale has been in the Black Lodge for 25 years, his bromance with Truman would be either missing or tragically tainted anyway.

(And it was McLachlan's choice not to be in FWWM much - we wouldn't have an entire episode* of Agent Chet Desmond up front without that, and it's wonderful for both Laura the character and Lee the actress that this palimpsest gets a chance to be drawn as a person in the film.)

*i watched the fan edit for my recent rewatch, and at least there, it's bang-on 45 minutes before the Desmond section wraps up.

Sheryl Lee is mindblowing in it and the movie isn't about Coop. (As you say, it wasn't intended that way, but the end result is better off for it I think.)

Problem isn't so much "too much Laura" as it is "too much of the crappy characters involved in Laura's storyline." Kinda cruel to make a movie with no Truman or Pete or Briggs, or any of the funny lovable characters, really, and instead a ton of Leo Johnson, James Hurley and (ugh) Jaques Renault

Cruelty is kinda the movie's m.o.

Realising that i'm kinda glad Flynn Boyle isn't returning, maybe it's because Lee as Maddy just dominates all these scenes but Donna sucks.

no yea i understand coop doesnt really belong in fwwm, yea lotta jacques also is not good

so i thought i was going to have to subscribe to showtime to watch this but apparently it's already in my hulu, for some reason, though I'm certainly not paying extra for it now

just the old ones are on hulu to drum up interest iirc?

Ontkean will have a laugh if this turns out not so hot

I can just about guarantee you that even if this turns out great, it will be a fiasco of one form or another according to the zeitgeist.

your favorite gum comes back but the flavor changed

I can just about guarantee you that even if this turns out great, it will be a fiasco of one form or another according to the zeitgeist.

This is why the assertion above that twin peaks is guaranteed a good reception no matter what was particularly weird, historically this has not been the case at all

Hmm, but don't underestimate how much the show's reputation has grown since it's been off the air. Even FWWM has been redeemed as a worthy part of the Lynch canon, despite being written off as a failure at the time by just about everyone.

Is there any word on whether they're recasting Donna? She's kind of a big character to just make do without.

wow i just finished TP for the first time (the last time I watched it was 12 years ago and I only made it to Laura's killer). Has anyone else watched the 3-hour fan edit of FWWM that reinserts all the deleted scenes?

it's discussed upthread

Is there any word on whether they're recasting Donna? She's kind of a big character to just make do without.

No, but I'm expecting that to happen tbh

v curious about Dern's role

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, May 10, 2017 7:51 AM (four days ago)

The variety article suggests she's in the car with Cooper quite a bit so another cop / fbi agent maybe ?

also hoping Michael Bisping becomes a Lynch regular.

― devvvine, Wednesday, May 10, 2017 7:59 AM (four days ago)

I'm a terrible guesser, but my guess is she's playing Diane.

re: "becoming a Lynch regular," don't expect a ton more (or any more, just as likely) Lynch projects after this one

A lot of people have speculated that dern is Diane, it's a little obvious & fanficcy but dern can do anything afaic

re: "becoming a Lynch regular," don't expect a ton more (or any more, just as likely) Lynch projects after this one

There's the table, at least

"just the old ones are on hulu to drum up interest iirc?"

maybe, but you're supposed to be able to add showtime as an addon to hulu for $8.99 on top of regular hulu, and I can't seem to do that; it seems like it's already there. I realize you are not hulu customer support.

oh, i found it. they just have really irritating UX now after their redesign.

Wait so how much is Hulu + Showtime mode per month? About $20?

I can't justify spending $11/mo for standalone Showtime to watch this over, what, 4 months? I wonder if they're gonna be on iTunes or something.

They won't
Best bet is to wait a few months and then hit it up for a month and binge

At least here it's a simple case of getting Now TV for £5.99/mo, which is worth it when you factor in the other stuff they have on there. I might finally watch game of thrones.

"Wait so how much is Hulu + Showtime mode per month? About $20?"

basic hulu (with limited commercials) plus showtime is $16.98, which isn't bad.

" I wonder if they're gonna be on iTunes or something."

i'd just snag it off piratebay if you don't feel like shelling out for it. if showtime weren't pretty cheap on top of hulu (which I already pay for) I'd have just done that.

Trying to fogire out if there's any way to watch it live in Canada via a web service

*figure lol

How soon after airing do new Showtime episodes show up on Hulu?

fyi, the best characters on this show in no particular order are:
Albert
Denise Bryson
Lucy
Sarah Palmer
Jerry Horne
Audrey Horne
Catherine Martell
The Log Lady
Lana Milford
Annie