The Suicide Squad Film Follies

Well well:

Warner Bros has firmed Will Smith, Tom Hardy and Margot Robbie for its DC Comics villain team Suicide Squad, and has set Jared Leto to play The Joker, Jai Courtney to play Boomerang and Cara Delevingne to play Enchantress in the David Ayer-directed film. Smith plays Deadshot, Hardy Rick Flagg and Robbie Harley Quinn. Most of these were reported on. Not in the studio announcement is whether Jesse Eisenberg brings his Batman V Superman villain Lex Luthor to the DC cavalcade, as I’ve heard will happen.

Somewhere Leto's all "And I didn't have to DIE to get MY Oscar."

How would Luthor make sense in a Suicide Squad movie

though I hadn't noticed the Joker and Harley Quinn either. what is point

Only one 'g' in Flag.

Harley Quinn in current era SS.

leto and will smith jumping on board is kinda crazy

Will Smith as Deadshot is kind of great.

more like career suicide squad

so apparently dc saw ayer's film sabotage and said please remake this with will smith and the joker

and the joker's girlfriend

I'm a fan of Ayer generally but I tried to watch Sabotage a couple of weeks ago and it was soooo bad

still haven't seen Fury tho

I think Begbie from Trainspotting would have made more sense as Boomerbutt.

"hello joker, i know you're a nihilistic mass murderer but i have a secret mission for you"

"hmmm can i bring my girlfriend"

"guardians of the galaxy was a big hit about a ragtag group of mercenaries and it didn't have will smith as a hitman and the joker and his girlfriend so i'm predicting families are gonna be lining up to see the super-prison experiment that is suicide squad"

from the studio that brought you watchmen and the losers

"guardians of the galaxy was a big hit about a ragtag group of mercenaries and it didn't have will smith as a hitman and the joker and his girlfriend so i'm predicting families are gonna be lining up to see the super-prison experiment that is suicide squad"

― da croupier, Tuesday, December 2, 2014 6:17 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

heh

yeah, i pray they don't fuck this up but more and more i'm sure they will

SS should really be a bleak 70s style conspiracy thriller

I've said it before on some other thread but would prefer a fairly straight all-villain heist movie

but instead we'll get this

they can't seriously be intending to release this with the name "SUICIDE SQUAD" right? "THE ATROCITY SIX" would make more sense.

Also: Pick out Deadshot's likely mask for this movie
1 - Cool full face mask with scope eye
2 - half mask with cross hair monocle thing
3 - fuck the masks, this is will smith; we're giving him some kind of bionic eye

i love that dc has precedent for failing in both directions

if they soften it to a smirky pg-13 shoot-'em-up...the losers

if they acknowledge the darkness of the concept in an R rated movie aiming for artfulness...watchmen

granted, neither movie had will smith. but the only movies to have will smith this decade are men in black 3 and after earth (granted, he's got two more before this one).

they should just call it SS instead

great tagline
"No One Escapes... The SS"

lol

I think Begbie from Trainspotting would have made more sense as Boomerbutt.

Geoffrey Rush

wait he's being played by a 28-yo guy from Cherrybrook?!?!?

Bring on the Ostrander cameo

Yale's ashes as a jovial taxi driver

Looking forward to a revive of this debate:

Aldo reads DC's New 52 (So you don't have to)

i always thought timothy dalton would make a good ostrander-era deadshot.

it's so weird that a completely different suicide squad are set to show up in the arrow tv show, and the tv-show flash will have nothing to do with the dc cinematic universe's version. meanwhile marvel's universe is set up to exist more-or-less seamlessly across tv and film. such an odd duplication of labour.

that's not even mentioning Gotham which of course has nothing to do with the movies or CW shows

or Constantine!

had no idea they're doing suicide squad on arrow, marvel must be in a state of a perma-lol

Suicide Squad was already in Arrow S2 - Deadshot, Bronze Tiger and Shrapnel, with a voice-only Harley Quinn cameo. Waller and ARGUS have played a big part in S3 to date.

poor Angela Bassett, she could've been the Sam Jackson of this mess

Deadshot was introduced in the third or fourth episode of S1.

i really should try to watch that and catch up on the Flash

I haven't seen very much of arrow, so i didn't know the squad had turned up already. the flash is way better than i was expecting it to be tho - it's been a lot of fun so far.

it's so weird that a completely different suicide squad are set to show up in the arrow tv show, and the tv-show flash will have nothing to do with the dc cinematic universe's version. meanwhile marvel's universe is set up to exist more-or-less seamlessly across tv and film.

I don't know if "weird" is exactly the word I'd use. WB's attempt to ape Marvel's cinematic universe is like something that has the cadence of a joke but isn't actually funny.

Yeah, Flash is seriously great. Maybe there are a few too many fanboy buttons pushed but I'm happy being manipulated like that.

Arrow has been very patchy. S1 was mainly a let-down with a few notable high points (Count Vertigo, Deadshot, Huntress) but the main RICH PEOPLE ARE BAD plot wasn't nearly engaging enough. S2 looked like it was going down the same route with the Brother Blood stuff but managed to just about avoid the fate by concentrating on Deathstroke and tips over into great with the return of Vertigo and Huntress, Solomon Grundy, Suicide Squad, Flash and Clock King. Ray Palmer turning up has saved S3 from being too serious. There's still a danger of it lapsing into almost Buffy does police procedural which it just about treads the right line of.

I forgot as well, the last ep had Ollie hand over Cupid to Waller as the latest Red Shirt for the Suicide Squad.

And CAPTAIN BOOMERANG at the end, who is in the Flash/Arrow team-up/crossover eps.

Buffy does police procedural

this is definitely the vibe I get from Flash but tbf this is preferable to p much all the other garbage DC is putting out on film

http://airherald.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Arrows-Season-3-News.jpeg

I had forgotten hearing about them casting Michael Jai "Fuckin' BLACK DYNAMITE" White as Bronze Tiger

Grey/brown/black is a shitty palette to represent a distinctive team of character costumes with. They at least gave a decent costume to Deathstroke, didn't they?

i didn't know they were casting Spawn himself, awesome
Deathstroke looks terrible, like out of a syndicated 90s TV show. actually worse, Hercules and Xena had decent costume work

They at least gave a decent costume to Deathstroke, didn't they?

nope! he looks like brendan gleeson in harry potter

http://img.poptower.com/pic-37102/brendan-gleeson.jpg?d=1024

ha, smack on

The Deathstoke costume is bang on, the full MacFarlane:

http://s763.photobucket.com/user/tvrage/media/gadfly/arrow/s02e18/deathstroke07.jpg

That link doesn't work on mobile, unfortunately

Ok, here we are:

http://i1.wp.com/www.comicbooktherapy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/d2.jpg

Pretty good, tho something about the smooth plasticine helmet is giving me Rollerball/Casey Jones from TMNT flashbacks.

Did anybody see the Batman Arkham Assault animation?

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/-6abltUcric/maxresdefault.jpg

Thanks for the pic. That helmet is also the S2 one, the S1 one was more like the comics.

lool at that Deathstroke costume, can he even walk?

LIEFELDENING

And being that Liefeld we don't know if he can walk because we never see his feet.

Also: Pick out Deadshot's likely mask for this movie
1 - Cool full face mask with scope eye
2 - half mask with cross hair monocle thing
3 - fuck the masks, this is will smith; we're giving him some kind of bionic eye

They used option number 3 for Deadshot in Arrow too, and the actor wasn't anyone you'd ever heard of. I guess superhero series/movie makers just don't believe anyone can act if they're face isn't visible.,, If Spider-Man and Batman didn't have such iconic costumes, I'm sure the movie folks would've come up with maskless design for them too.

well, spider-man does spend a fair chunk of his movie screentime either unmasking himself at every opportunity or having his mask shredded in battle. iron man handled the issue really elegantly - maybe they should give deadshot a nifty heads-up display inside his helmet too.

poor Angela Bassett, she could've been the Sam Jackson of this mess

― Nhex, Wednesday, December 3, 2014 8:40 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh, that costumne

Wonder if Kanigher and Andru will get a credit on this

Iron Man had its share of gratuitous unmasking too. For example, in the second movie's climax he lifts his mask up to make some action movie one-liners, even though he's surrounded by enemies... What if one of them had shot him to the face at that point? (And IIRC, in the first movie both his and the big bad's masks were conveniently ripped off during the final fight.) The mask-removing makes even less sense for him than Spider-Man, because Spidey's mask has no protective use.

Tom Hardy: 'Yeah fuck this.'

More like Career Suicide Squad, amirite, Tom?

"The opportunity to take on this nearly Shakespearean character -- that's what graphic novels and comic books are becoming, right?" Leto says. "[He's] this beautiful disaster of a character -- what a big challenge."

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/6479914/jared-leto-gaining-weight-playing-joker-suicide-squad?mobile_redirection=false

Shakespeare's The Tragedy Of Cesar Romero

Jesus, Sabotage is so bad. Badly shot, badly written. Considering it bombed I can't imagine why DC gave David Ayer the keys to this.

Mirielle Enos is a trip in it, though. Maybe Margot Robbie will bring it too.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDZ1cCeWMAAaZDb.jpg

wow that's terrible

http://images.ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/011-Birdman.jpg

A beautiful disaster, indeed

http://cdn.bucklecontent.com/media/images/bw3/xl/10400A11977_BK_xl_v1_m56577569835788587.jpg

the Bro-ker

Juggalo Squad

Eh, looks fine

It looks like he was designed by me in ninth grade with a copy of killing joke to swipe from

in this film is the Joker the vocalist for Hollywood Undead or

Okay it's just one picture, difficult to get a full feel but my initial reaction is that the tats and overall style is too perfect and clean. Joker is chaotic and scribbly, doesn't give a fuck.

I would imagine if he were to have any tattoos they'd look like they were drawn by a four year old.

damaged

Oh my god. That's way, way worse than I could've possibly imagined.

Like modern-day Tim Burton production design bad.

The single purple glove is shit (and the cheap material makes it look like it came from a K-Mart Halloween costume), the tattoos are terrible as tattoos but not an awful idea overall, but the basic outlines of the design kind of remind me of a cross between Conrad Veidt and the Grant Morrison Bowie-inspired Joker, and you could do a hell of a lot worse than that. Plus, the metal teeth read to me not so much as a grill (as everyone's been referring to it) as Phantom of the Paradise...

they could get away with all of this if not for the 'damaged' tattoo

When he said he was gaining weight for the role I didn't realize it was in bad tattoos and grills.

looks like Ayer was taking advice from this guy
http://defamer.gawker.com/some-tech-asshole-pitched-sony-on-turning-spiderman-int-1699831682

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CDaPkZXUsAEI--k.jpg

heh

Spiderman movie infl by the ideas in that email'd prob be p funny/cool bt whatever, go internet

the Joker design is horrible in that pic but I wanted to like it cuz it really pissed off this one dickhole that I know who is like so offended by it he might explode.

I'm holding out hope that he does.

http://i.imgur.com/CeCUdBk.jpg

Oh my god

hahaha

http://moviepilot.com/posts/2015/04/26/calm-down-the-joker-will-not-have-tattoos-in-suicide-squad-2887773

this is going to be the best movie of all time
http://cdn04.cdn.justjared.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/smith-incostume/will-smith-spotted-in-costume-on-suicide-squad-set-01.jpg

uh

I'm trying to figure out which disastrous bomb of a movie is the most fitting comparison to what this thing is clearly shaping up to be.

Howard the Duck?

one part sabotage, one part watchmen

more like grim n gritty mystery men
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKmHBFgIoX0

weird how ahead of its time that movie was

in the sense that it's better than every superhero movie released after it, sure

The Tick cartoon did everything Mystery Men was trying to do better and funnier.

Mystery Men does not hold up

Mystery Men was bad when it came out

Mystery Men was trailblazing in the sense that it was the very first of the thousands of movies that have featured Smashmouth's "All Star"

apparently it also appeared in the Matthew Broderick Inspector Gadget which was released a month prior, although it obviously owes its ubiquity to its appearance on the Shrek soundtrack

it owes its ubiquity to being the greatest song ever recorded

what is the 2016 equivalent of "all star" for suicide squad
perhaps something by adam lambert

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xn676-fLq7I

what've 3OH3 been up to

apparently it also appeared in the Matthew Broderick Inspector Gadget which was released a month prior, although it obviously owes its ubiquity to its appearance on the Shrek soundtrack

― Number None, Friday, May 1, 2015 7:05 AM (7 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that's surprising, there was a whole soundtrack tie-in with "All Star" and Mystery Men, cast of the movie in the video and all

I still like Mystery Men

Last time I caught some of it I was struck by how incredibly long it was.

Cassanova Frankenstein is one of my alltime favorite comedy names, second only to Arsenio Billingham.

I never actually saw Mystery Men, which is odd considering how much I like the cast

It's not bad and it has some laughs but it doesn't hold a candle to its source material.

Come to think of it, this era of wacky comic adaptations might be the prime time for Burden to start a push for a Flaming Carrot film.

Or maybe scratch that, as I can very easily imagine a Flaming Carrot film being terrible.

it doesn't hold a candle to its source material.

no argument here cuz man do I love me some Flaming Carrot. It's one of those things that I'm surprised got made at all and I hope it made Burden a ton of money.

I assume MM got made precisely because FC as a character would be a pretty hard sell visually in the film-world

Flaming Carrot is one of the funniest comics I've ever read. And it still holds up.

"They cloned Hitler's feet!"

holy cow: http://www.amazon.com/Flaming-Carrot-Comics-Mystery-Collected/dp/1569712638 is this stuff really all out of print/unavailable? :(

it hasn't been fashionable in forever so that's not too surprising to me. he made so goddamn many pages of comics!

Oh way, Free Comic Book Day is tmrw, maybe the local shop will have a trade on sale

Why does Will Smith look like shaft with a cowboy hat?

I just realized that the new Joker is like literally

http://i.imgur.com/OzqbNSz.jpg

http://i1.wp.com/batman-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Suicide-Squad-Cast-Photo.jpg

is this a Faygo advert

That's so much worse than the Joker photo

Harley Quinn looks like the people who hand out shots at Rockstar Mayhem fest.

everybody else look like either extras from Battlefield Earth or ex-members of Hollywood Undead.

Will Smith actually is the best in the pic

I mean that pic screams "1999" to me

lol but always good to see adewale akinnuoye-agbaje tbh

Glossy Slipknot

One way or another this is going to be incredible

they look like six flags employees on halloween night, good planning

http://sixflagsticketscoupons.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/14.jpg

man the Atlanta Braves really do have a new look in 2015

Time Warner really doesn't seem to get how to do this

O____O

Clive Barker's Suicide Squad

Cenobite deez nuts

ilx is the place I come to to escape the deez nuts

wellllllllll good luck with that

I'm sure style and visual design is one of many categories this film will fail miserably at.

but after seeing the Batman v Superman trailer and knowing Zak Snyder that one will probably be more aggravating

Harkness' ankle boomerang holster duct-taped to his leg seems an interesting choice.

http://www.avclub.com/article/david-ayers-suicide-squad-cast-gets-together-yearb-218890

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEH0cMSUUAA_sJD.jpg:large

Here's Deadshot's mask, which will be see on screen for what, 15 seconds?

Disappointed that there's no yellow in his costume, but the muted crimson banana clips are nice.

I'm still curious whether Will Smith will play him as Floyd Lawton or as Will Smith, but I ain't holding my breath. At this point, if the flick gets more people interested in and reading and flowing some small royalty stream to Ostrander et al for 80's Suicide Squad, it'll be good enough.

Also, movie-Harley's outfit is far less stupid than her current Nu52 get-up, at least.

if the flick gets more people interested in and reading and flowing some small royalty stream to Ostrander et al for 80's Suicide Squad,

under Diane Nelson?

and yup, that's a quote from John 14:6 on his costume & his rifle– 'Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.'

(depending on yer preferred translation)

under Diane Nelson?

I don't know, I'm grabbing at straws here.

xp are you kidding me...

So like, did WB execs LIKE ayer's Sabotage, or had they signed him for this before seeing his previous Rando Eccentric Antiheroes With Guns movie?

when the best thing you have to say about costume design is that you like the "muted crimson banana clips"

Yeah, the costume/makeup design is straight-up pathetic. The Arrow/Flash stuff isn't a whole lot better, but those are television shows with television show budgets. It's noteworthy that a fan in a homemade costume who was photographed near the set was initially mistaken for Will Smith in his Deadshot duds.

it looks so stupid, and then you have the white mask on top of it.

the design for katana is particularly tone deaf; the late-era nu-shi "hey, she's from japan let's put a japanese flag on her face" look is all kinds of dumb
not that the character has ever had strong design to begin with
http://www.comicbookreligion.com/img/k/a/Katana_Yamashiro_5.jpg

the outsiders were a special level of final fantasy poor costume design... remember looker?
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vH8KPmUziIE/VPhO2DC0w5I/AAAAAAAACmg/5junuftaODQ/s1600/outside2looker3.jpg

the white mask on top of it.

deadshot morelike headshot amirite

they just didn't have to make it look like a baseball glove got thrown in with the bleach cycle

and yes, the Outsiders were pretty terrible designs all around. katana has had much better looks, tho!

They have desaturated away any possible desire to see this thing.

After she saw the pictures of Will Smith floating around, I told my girlfriend that the upcoming Suicide Squad and Flash movies have nothing to do with the shows she enjoys. Befuddlement, as predicted. Congratulations, DC and Warner Brothers!

https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3372/3424256247_99cbb73ef6.jpg

see i would respect that! but they just split several bad differences and came up with something worse than the sum of its parts.

exactly

ok i love looker's costumer there except 1. armpit chain which looks dredfully ticklish at best 2. cape is not actually symmetrical
but otherwise reminds me of the best costume design of all time aka BUDDY COLE'S SOFTBALL UNIFORMS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNCUgFeIjyM

idk who the fuck the fucks in that film lineup are
no comic book cred at all sorry
except harley quinn whose wiki i read & was like 'damn this lady is mad unprofessional for someone with a phd'
also pretty sure she just got raped into being crazy??? that level of characterization
i miss cesar romero :(

harley quinn is paul dini's character iirc and she works best as a cartoonish gunmoll rather than what she's become via videogames and fanservice which joker but with breasts

finally figured out what that promo pic reminded me of
http://www.rhfhouston.com/Homiesqu.jpg

i would SO be into a Homies movie
will smith tumbling out of a vending machine

harley works best playing kazoo taps during the joker's funeral for the apparently dead batman and bursting into earnest tears, not sure where that falls.

margot robbie holding up a flag of mexico for 45 mins & just smiling

i prefer this:
http://enasnivolz.com/Images/Gallery/Fullsize/harley/7.jpg
over this
http://th09.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2014/018/b/4/harley_quinn_52_by_elias_chatzoudis-d72kw18.jpg
so of course the film is opting for SPRAAAAANNNNG BRAAAAAAAAAAKE mode

that is some detailed taint shading

cool powerful female leads

the ol' boob 'n' butt anatomic impossibility pose always conveys girl power

I'm not really a comix aficionado either, I just object to how kitschy and calculated the photo is.

surprised none of them are wearing a "Your Mom is In My Top 8 on MySpace" shirt.

(don't mean that as a "omg fukk comix", just that my exploration has largely been WAtchmen, The Killing Joke, Dark Knight Returns, and a few others here and there).

I dig that Adam Hughes signed that cosplayer's mallet.

heh i noticed that too

idk who the fuck the fucks in that film lineup are

Well that was always the point of the book from the 80s on, where they just took a bunch of obscure DC C- and D-grade villains and thru them into this unit. Somebody usually always got capped on each mission.

heh i noticed that too

me three

so disappointed not to see grant morrison in that lineup as notable suicide squad cannon-fodder member 'the writer'

that wouldn't be until the equivalent of Suicide Squad Movie Chapter 58

we can but hope

Am I wrong in thinking that this whole project is basically hinging on the presence of the Joker (which people have already been clowning, pun very much intended) and Will Smith's questionable present-day pull at the box office? Is there another element I'm not considering that could possibly save it from being a disaster?

how they can go wrong, they have that naked chick from The Wolf of Wall Street and nu-Robocop

I would lol if they pulled a Milligan/Allred X-Force move and murdered 90% of the cast in the first 15 minutes

another element = no-one had heard of Guardians of the Galaxy, kids are crazy for those comic book movies these days (yes yes, very different comics)

well also GotG looked like it would be good very early on in the promo cycle (that one super expository commercial notwithstanding)

warners really seem to be hellbent on learning all the wrong lessons from marvel's movies

Producers are just going to individually promote the movie to all results in this search: https://www.tumblr.com/search/harley+quinn

more harley - does that tshirt say 'daddy's little monster'?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEIuuaMUgAE3e_J.jpg:large

Really hopeful the soundtrack will have rock guys collaborating with edm guys

bass drops synced with bullets hitting flesh

millennials need their own judgement night OST; it's time

Also hopeful this movie will have some fun meetings ahead with the MPAA, which may still lead to this being released as THE SQUAD, as per the lego batman 3 DLC

Haha forgot about judgment night, was thinking of spawn

https://jeffreyklyles.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/baltimore-comic-con-2014-suicide-squad-2.jpg?w=567&h=409

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-8DXw_ufPOdk/UgbiLJip3HI/AAAAAAAARQo/hDidJU7b5Kc/s1600/Ultimate+Suicide+Squad+group+cosplay+DC+Comics.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-rvHGXiP9qGY/Ts7_pu1TxGI/AAAAAAAADMw/JBnFHHEpLAM/s1600/Hot%2BVixen-Killer%2BFrost-Ivy-%2BHarley%2Bcosplay.jpg

And the TV versions:

http://cdn.movieweb.com/img.news.tops/NEvnCHFgXeOnzx_2_b.jpg

http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/36800000/Behind-The-Scenes-of-2x16-Suicide-Squad-arrow-36866694-500-477.jpg

Movie needs more Michael Jai White, who's played multiple superheroes before

from the aforementioned superhero blockbuster, spawn

And even bigger superhero, Black Dynamite!

skinny Waller is still one of the grossest endemic exemplars of Didio era

http://i.imgur.com/my646vS.png

About as well as could be expected

god i still can't believe dc is going to just gonna give joker a girlfriend and (allegedly) batman a dead robin four years after DKR. I realize we're all sick of rebooted origin stories, but if you're going to revamp with the story THAT far in progress...

and yes, many a nerdlinger knows about harley quinn and jason todd, but if the idea is to compete with the avengers you really don't want to settle for "the nerds already know this"

i'd almost be relieved to hear a marketing research study revealed a large untapped audience of juggalos across the planet dissatisfied with marvel's populism and lack of badass. if that wasn't also a horrifying prospect.

http://www.monologuedb.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Macaulay-Culkin-home-alone.jpg

harley quinn has been a hot topic favorite for a long time ime, unless this was just long-term anticipatory marketing, which seems beyond them

for non-comics-fans she also counts as 90s nostalgia

relevant article:
http://comicsalliance.com/female-heroes-good-girl-role-models/
though i feel like it may be unfair to lump the main character from Sex Criminals in there

yeah harley quinn was a pretty major character in the batman cartoon on fox in the 90s which was dope

See if they did a remake of the animated series that would be dope.

I wager that you might feel a little differently if present day DC/WB actually did remake the animated series.

Filmmaker and comic book fan Kevin Smith named his daughter after Harley Quinn; she made a cameo appearance in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back as an infant Silent Bob in the opening scene, and was recently featured in his reality television show Comic Book Men.[53] She will appear alongside Johnny Depp's daughter Lily-Rose Depp in the 2015 comedy horror film Yoga Hosers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harley_Quinn#Cultural_impact

what i've always been curious about is

In 2002, a live-action television series called Birds of Prey, loosely based on the comic of the same name, included Harley Quinn as a psychotic psychiatrist and main antagonist. The character was portrayed by actress Mia Sara (replacing Sherilyn Fenn from an unaired pilot episode). The show aired only 13 episodes. In this show, she is portrayed as an older, far more calculating and sinister character than her bubbly comic and cartoon personas. Picking up where the Joker had left off, Harleen Quinzel used her day job as a therapist to achieve her savage purpose – to take control of the city of New Gotham. She does not wear a costume, although she does wear an outfit that is reminiscent of her cartoon costume in the series finale "Devil's Eyes." In that episode, she uses experimental technology to transfer metahuman mind control powers to herself. She occasionally makes reference to her "sweet Mr. J.", laments his loss as a Gotham City crime boss and hints at a past relationship reminiscent to that of the animated series.

ferris bueller's girlfriend replacing audrey horne!

lol @ yoga hosers

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/harleyquinnbatman/images/1/14/BoP_Harley.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130607080520

Mia Sara 2003

fyi i'm aware that harley quinn was on kids tv in the 90s i SAID many a nerdlinger

the point is that if you're going to introduce a very different batverse to a global audience a couple years after Nolan's, you might not want to smuggle it in mid-story inside a superman and a suicide squad movie, even if many a thirtysomething has sweet afternoon memories of her

eh, you're overthinking it. 90% of the audience will be like "oh, the joker's girlfriend, okay" and then "BEWBS!"

you're probably correct, in terms of 90% of the audience that will be pulled in by the promotional materials for this movie. just not in terms of 90% of the potential audience for a superhero movie.

BREAKING: joker will totally have those tattoos, dresses really cool and great also
http://i2.wp.com/batman-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/jared-leto-fights-kisses-margot-robbie-in-suicide-squad-04.jpg?fit=665%2C550&quality=85&strip=info
http://i2.wp.com/batman-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/0242.jpg?fit=665%2C550&quality=85&strip=infog

Please, DC, just one Joker dance sequence. It's all I ask.

Why is DC so bad and hated

There has to be a scene where he's locked up in the county jail, alone in a cell, singing "Plush" a cappella.

god i still can't believe dc is going to just gonna give joker a girlfriend and (allegedly) batman a dead robin four years after DKR. I realize we're all sick of rebooted origin stories, but if you're going to revamp with the story THAT far in progress...

― da croupier, 8. toukokuuta 2015 19:08

and yes, many a nerdlinger knows about harley quinn and jason todd, but if the idea is to compete with the avengers you really don't want to settle for "the nerds already know this"

― da croupier, 8. toukokuuta 2015 19:08

Even if Nolan didn't really use him, I'm pretty sure it's commonly known (not just among nerds) that Batman has a sidekick named Robin? I mean, the final gag of Dark Knight Rises depended on the viewers knowing this fact, even though Joseph Gordon-Levitt never became a superhero during the movie. And I'm not sure why the dead Robin has to be Jason Todd? Unless they have plans of using Nightwing in the future, they could easily say it was Dick Grayson who died. I'm pretty sure they want to avoid the whole "multiple Robins" thing, so the movies won't get too convoluted.

I do agree that it's a bit weird to start the reboot with Batman so far in his career, but OTOH Batman is pretty much the best-known superhero there is, and his origin story is fairly simple, so there isn't really any need to rehash it. And there are a kazillion action movies where the protagonists actions are motivated by the death of someone in their past, so in this case they'd just be using Robin instead of Thomas and Martha Wayne to provide that motivation.

I still suspect this movie will suck, as do most of Snyder's films, but I don't think continuity issues will be the reason for that.

Please, DC, just one Joker dance sequence. It's all I ask.

jokerdoesthefutterwacken.gif

Harley Quinn's not really more obscure than Hawkeye, is she? is she even less known than the Suicide Squad itself? her being in this movie is the least of its problem, if it's even a problem at all.

She is by far the most famous thing about it (apart from Mr J) - croupier's universe where 90s kids TV consumption makes you a nerdlinger is utterly bizarre.

Even among comic nerds, Suicide Squad used to be more of a cult favourite than a big seller. But AFAIK a version of them has been introduced in the Arrow TV series (I quit watching it, so I haven't seen episodes featuring them), which might've raised their profile? Though I've no idea how popular Arrow is...

But yeah, Joker and Harley Quinn are way more well-known than any other SS members; the whole point of the series was to use mostly C-list villains, so any of them could be killed for real, which you obviously can't do with someone like Joker.

Though ironically enough, the SS comic itself made some of its characters (like Deadshot) popular enough that they were guaranteed not to die.

And I think the same is gonna happen with this movie: among the characters you have two popular Batman villains, one semi-popular Batman villain, one semi-popular Batman ally, a few characters who have become popular because of the Suicide Squad comics... and a couple of guys almost no one has ever heard of. So it's not hard to guess which of them are going to die.

The ones played by Adam Beach and Jay Hernandez....

waiting for teen heart-throb jared leto to shamelessly plug his band as the soundtrack

don't let it be a missed opportunity, jare

i still can't believe the Dallas Buyers Club sdtk had a 30 Seconds To Mars song on it. like, it doesn't get worse than that.

just since people still seem confused, my point isn't that Harley Quinn and Robin are obscure parts of the batverse, but that they're almost oppositional to the one that was just in theaters a couple years ago. When you're trying to compete with a franchise as huge as marvel, where making $200m globally like Watchmen and Green Lantern did qualifies you as a bomb, because Marvel's working at the 700m-1.2billion level, dramatically changing the batstory - not with a new batmovie, but within a superman sequel and a suicide squad movie, seems at odds with getting EVERYBODY on board.

but really these choices are symbolic of the bigger problem that DC just doesn't have a goddamn clue

I've said it before and I'll say it again: I cannot wait for the inevitable book about the behind the scenes shenanigans currently taking place at DC/WB. You know there are people on the inside who are just as perplexed as the rest of us by the decisions currently being made.

i liked the explanation floated that they simply don't have a kevin feige - someone superinformed and respectful of the marvel legacy that speaks also speaks franchise producer-ese. Instead, Warner Bros - already in a weird bakesale mode that leads to movies with 100m budgets where Johnny Depp lives in an iPad - is throwing everything against the wall in film and tv, hoping SOMETHING sticks the way Nolan did.

It's been this way for ages - they scrapped an unrelated George Miller run Justice League movie with Armie Hammer as Batman when Nolan's movies grew legs. But the new wrinkle on the problem is thanks to Marvel's "here's how we're going to make a couple billion over the next five years" fanfare, Warner Bros shareholders want THEIR superheroverse to point at the bleachers. So they announce a flash movie that has nothing to do with the flash TV show. They've got Supergirl set to air AT THE SAME HOUR as Gotham, which may benefit CBS or Fox in terms of bragging rights but clearly not WB.

The good news for fans of cinematic art is that people like David Ayer and Zack Snyder are getting WAY more free reign than Marvel hands do, because DC is hungry for a visionary. The bad news is that I just said David Ayer and Zack Snyder.

the alternate reality where george miller is christopher nolan in terms of influencing the dc cinematic universe sure looks sweet now, doesn't it

oh and

croupier's universe where 90s kids TV consumption makes you a nerdlinger is utterly bizarre.

nerdlingers are people who assume things have a massive global audience BECAUSE it was on 90s kids tv. for instance, "i know mad max" doesn't make you a nerdlinger. "HOW CAN THE SEQUEL TO A RECENT HIT WITH ALL THE ORIGINAL STARS DO BETTER THAN THE SEQUEL TO AN 80S CULT SERIES WITH NONE?" makes you a nerdlinger.

admittedly, i didn't bother making that clarification previously, but how was i to know an ilxor would take offense at being called a nerdlinger

How dare you make such assertions in a thread dedicated to the Suicide Squad film.

I've seen the "no Kevin Feige" thing responded to with "WB/DC's Kevin Feige is Geoff Johns" - the problem there is that Johns is widely loathed and somewhat responsible for DC not even knowing what the fuck they're doing in comic-land.

tbf if Nolan and Bale WANTED to continue their Batman, i'm sure D.C. would be delighted to have them. but like Raimi and Maguire, they wanted to quit while they were ahead, so we get Affleck Batman and Leto Joker and whoever the hell is Spiderman next time around.

The dude who came up with "Red Lanterns are red because ANGER, Yellow Lanterns are yellow because FEAR" might be aces with respect to certain projects but he probably isn't the guy you want running a billion dollar movie franchise.

raimi didn't quit while he was ahead - he and sony broke up because he wanted spider man 4 to be a 300m movie where john malkovich played a flying cueball in green. don't get me wrong, I would have loved it, but I understand why they split.

i know they asked nolan to be the DCU's guiding hand in movieland, but he passed. smartly.

lol just realized i could have been describing the vulture or mysterio. I meant the vulture.

haha, i was immediately wondering which one you meant...

Raimi had a perfect line on Silver Age Spidey. It's funny that the post Raimi spider-flicks have continued to lean so heavily on 60s baddies and done them so badly.

i going to shy away from criticizing Johns on the movies because I have to see any evidence that he's done... anything. i don't think anyone at DC/WB has the level of power/control/corporate faith that Feige has gotten from Marvel

and whoever the hell is Spiderman next time around.

― some dude, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 19:40 (17 minutes ago) Permalink
let's pause for a moment to ponder a james franco as spiderman performance art piece/film/experience/proto-interactive visual 3D art

shia lebouef IS miles morales IN

FP

jaden smith clearly the only sane choice to play miles morales

FP again

mission accomplished

paging djp: Jaden Smith Confirmed As Static Shock By Tyler James Williams

Haha I was literally coming here to post that :)

great news travels fast i guess

if dc thinks this highly of forces behind After Earth i've got my fingers crossed for M. Night Shyamalan's Sandman

i really liked the static comics; would be curious to see a milestone resurrection
no opinion on jaden in the role

Just clued in today to the fact that this is the film they're shooting in Toronto--don't know how much of it will be shot here.

http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/portion-of-yonge-street-to-be-closed-for-hollywood-blockbuster-movie-shoot-1.2389668

What the FUCK

Now it's been confirmed that a teased Harley Quinn storyline was dropped from Arrow because of her appearance in this movie (which would also explain why certain other characters have been sidelined or killed off). Which doesn't explain why the parallel Flashes are being allowed to happen.

bit harder to sideline the title character than a supporting one - be interesting to see if anything becomes off-limits in the tv show when plans for the movie become clearer.

wonder who the villain for the movie will be, given that the tv show has already introduced a bunch of classic flash rogues and looks set to bring in more next season.

Man, eff this movie.

Honestly I'm quite ready to hate-watch this sucker, X-Men: Origins: Wolverine-style

I'll probably watch it but I'm bummed at what it COULD have been. Like, the Joker and Batman don't need to be anywhere near this movie, and that's the least of what's annoying about it.

I'm predicting a cult classic a la Con Air.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLLQK9la6Go

finally a comic book movie that proves they're not just for kids

hollywood: please stop gary jules-ing all the songs

Will this one finally reveal how Batman became Batman? Or how Superman became Batman? Or how Batman became Spiderman?

"we're some kind of suicide squad cross-leveraged corporate intellectual property clusterfuck"

Somehow doesn't look as bad as the action sequences in Batman v Superman

realllly curious how this has been budgeted - and projected to be rated

cuz if it's rated R and north of 100m it has to do as well as Mad Max Fury Road to be any kind of hit

i'll see it, but i also saw jonah hex

DC is in serious self clowning mode (pun intended)

still amazed how much they've banked on Batman v Supes being adored. They're going to from making a DC supermovie a year - only the batmans connected, because only the batmans were big, to a series of super-connected films once every six months or so.

holy shit that looks great doesn't it?? i wish it was like.. X rated.

wat

DC is in serious self clowning mode (pun intended)

The Po-Faced Absurdity of DC Comics (picture thread)

snyder sure loves his dour serious trailers doesnt he

i dunno looks silly and fun and will smith will be in charm mode and adewale akinnuoye-agbaje will be in, uh, a lot of makeup

bring on the r-rated funnybook flix imo

Task Force X-Rated, mor lik

Still, am far, FAR more interested in this than any BvS/JLA flick, due to the Ostrander/Yale years making the comic one of the most compelling/progressive titles on the Big Two's rosters during the Bronze/Chromium Age

If they can get the Waller/Deadshot/Boomerang interchange working, then I'm happy. If they can get a proper Waller/Batman interaction working, I'll be ecstatic.

yeah, the ostrander/yale years are some of my favourite superhero comics ever, but i dunno if the snyderverse is really built to support the delicate moral shading that made those books so great. i'd love to be proved wrong tho!

Meh... only thing that trailer made me do is wonder if I should play the latest Batman videogame Arkham City was dope.

http://cdn1-www.comingsoon.net/assets/uploads/gallery/suicide-squad/joker1.jpg

Nice asylum normcore sweatpants there.

I hope they say I ❤️ JOKES on the butt

how are they getting the feel of the marketing for this so completely wrong

"There was definitely a period of...detachment," Leto explains. "I took a pretty deep dive. But this was a unique opportunity and I couldn't imagine doing it another way. It was fun, playing those psychological games. But at the same time it was very painful, like giving birth out of my prick hole."

yes, just like that

http://www.vogue.com/13361703/harley-quinn-most-popular-halloween-costumes

was at an anime convention a few months ago and like every fifth girl was harley. buncha nerdlingers tho iirc

there was a ton of them in nyc for comiccon. basically two at every subway stop.

At NYCC I noticed that the ration was like 2.5:1 canon harley : margot robbie harley but i was only there one day!

was that way at Dragon Con

Current comic Harley Quinn is awful (look, boobs!) but since she's the only DC character aside from Batman that sells they're giving her two more series.

Stats need further breaking down to account for Arkham Harley.

(bah, from the videogames (I'm aware that this clarification is not making me look any less sweaty-palmed))

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/will-jared-letos-joker-be-too-raw-and-subversive-for-mo-1749717946

Oh my god the comment section

http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BNzA2NTIwNzE1Ml5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwOTk4NDc5._V1_SX640_SY720_.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmRih_VtVAs

just looking at the still i'm picturing a Galaxy Quest type scenario featuring a bunch of cosplayers abducted from San Diego Comic-Con. does the trailer support that?

having watched the trailer, this looks like so much garbage with so many name actors

This didn't come out like 5 months ago? I figured it would be on DVD by now.

it looks like it could be from those comic book TV shows that i don't watch.

Cringed at Queen. But. It looks different from Marvel movies so it automatically feels fresh in the superhero world. Even if it's bad, it's doing something.

it's made my daughter ask me who Deadpool is

xp so are the bundy militia, but

This is the old DC film I'm interested in, mainly due to the comics. I'm curious how you take a framework set up by Ostrander et al, shit thru the Nu52 years, and then make a Snyder-era movie from it.

the trailer provides plenty of suggestion and "shit thru the Nu52 years" looks right on. hard to believe millar isn't involved somehow.

I can't see anything related to this without whispering.... Badguy Patrol

There was some DC special that I didn't watch after Flash last night where I guess they debuted this trailer. Which I'm sure made synergistic sense to some DC exec but to many fans of the WB shows, it was probably more like "Hey, remember some of these characters from the shows you enjoy? Well, here they are again except they're not actually the same characters as the ones on TV and they're being played by different people! Isn't that fun?"

Cringed at Queen. But. It looks different from Marvel movies so it automatically feels fresh in the superhero world. Even if it's bad, it's doing something.

So fresh, this shittified version of a comic from 1988.

Funny that a modern, knockoff version of this has already been running for three years now, to universal critical acclaim and sales of literally hundreds of copies an issue. Imagine Warners just hiring Fiffe.

Badguy Patrol

The good thing this movie has caused is that DC is finally (after a failed attempt a few years ago) collecting the original 80s/90s Ostrander run, which is one of the best superhero comics of its era.

Yeah, getting Michel Fiffe on this would be awesome

finally (after a failed attempt a few years ago) collecting the original 80s/90s Ostrander run

They're not doing it any more finally now than they did it finally those few years ago.

Well at least they managed to get the second TPB out this time, and you can pre-order the third and fourth on Amazon. But I agree that it doesn't necessarily mean anything, the last time they were gonna put out the second TPB, and you could pre-order that too, but then it suddenly vanished with no explanation. Let's just hope the movie + the existing fanbase for the comic nets in enough demand for these that they're gonna collect the whole series. (Though I'm still sour at DC for cancelling the Shade and Human Target TPBs before the whole series was collected.)

It looks like a movie made specifically for juggalos

DC has perfected the art of starting reprint series they don't finish. It's really quite astonishing how good they are at it.

yeah I am super-pissed there were only three volumes of Superman: Man of Tomorrow and now it looks like there won't be any more DC Archives...?

i have now seen so many people run with that obviously satirical article about jared leto thinking it was 100% true (how????) that i think i'm starting to be inclined to think this movie is adorable just in response

i still won't see it but gosh some people

ah yes, that obviously satirical article about Jared Leto

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/will-jared-letos-joker-be-too-raw-and-subversive-for-mo-1749717946

Oh my god the comment section

― frogbs, Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:40 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I guess people are believing that page really and truly collects some joke screenshots from twitter

most of the comments on the deadspin article itself are responding to the joke screenshots as if they are from a real article

sorry if i'm not being clear?

Yeah, I don't get why Sic is so confused?

my mistake for not reading the comments on a sports website's link page to a Storify

During an interview with Vanity Fair, How to Get Away With Murder star Viola Davis was also asked about Jared Leto’s bizarre behavior on the set of Suicide Squad.

“He did some bad things, Jared Leto did,” she said. “He gave some really horrific gifts. He had a henchman who would come into the rehearsal room, and the henchman came in with a dead pig and plopped it on the table, and then he walked out. And that was our introduction into Jared Leto.”

He made another guy listen to his records.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/suicide-squad-new-international-trailer-reveals-more-of-jared-letos-joker-a6956321.html

bullets and guns and bombs in time to Bohemian Rhapsody.. have to admit that's a bit brilliant.

that looks like a lot of fun actually

...but not fun enough sez the WB

Her delivery on "we're bad guys, it's what we do" is eye rollingly awful.

looks cute

sound fx forced in that trailer though

it's all an illuuuuuusion

is that healthy?! abnormally expensive re-shoots which are because of the *critics* reponse to *another film by a different studio*?? i find that.. hard to believe.

im sure the test screenings demand it as well.. these shitty blockbusters are all focus grouped to death.

that happens, big studio films have focus groups, modify plots to expand intended audiences, all kinds of shit

on one hand there are writers, a director, and actors making a theatrical production

on the other hand, it's a money-making exercise to maximize the number of people who attend, changing characters so they work better on t-shirts and as action figures

never forget this leaked email
http://www.avclub.com/article/spider-man-should-be-snapchatting-edm-fan-accordin-218519

hollywood also has no problem with lighting money on fire

it's brilliant, really.

Spidey thought

Hey Amy - just a couple of rando thoughts from 35,000 LAX-JFK:

- A rising trend we see with Millennials are the really extreme forms of experiential exercise like Tough Mudder (a sort of filthy triathalon), the Color Run and even things like Hot Power Yoga, veganism etc. Millennials will often post “N.B.D.” on their social media after doing it , as in No Big Deal, also known as the “humble brag”.....wondering if Spidey could get into that in some way....he’s super athletic, bendy, strong, intense....and it’s all NBD to him, of course.

- EDM (electronic dance music) is the defining music for Millennials. Wondering if there’s an EDM angle somewhere with Spidey? His movements are beautiful, would be awesome with a killer DJ behind it

- Snapchat just launched a “story” functionality, which is sort of “day in the life of me” told in a series of snapchats that expire after 24 hours. It has a very VIP quality about it, since invitation only. Getting invited into Spidey’s Snapchat circle would be huge, and very buzzworthy and cool.

i would rather see a movie about these idiots making these movie than this movie

they basically did the second one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeUN2FHqeHE

- EDM (electronic dance music) is the defining music for Millennials. Wondering if there’s an EDM angle somewhere with Spidey? His movements are beautiful, would be awesome with a killer DJ behind it

never forget the Toby Shuffle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPN1BvR02Xo

nbd

I'm wondering if they're going to do some horrible fan service and they've inserted this line

"What are you, some kind of... badguy patrol?"

every Joker line is some variant of "Don't you see... I'm the only sane person"

I really want to see Sony's Spider-Poochie movie now.

holy fuck, if you start playing "Spoilt Victorian Child" over that Spiderman video, Tobey Macguire actually morphs into Mark E Smith

http://www.spencersonline.com/category/trend-shop/forever-evil/pc/364/3426.uts

terrible designs

has spencers ever had a good design in their store, for anything, ever?

Hendrix blacklight posters iirc

originally ddn't click that link because i assumed it was just a joke about how this movie looks like the cinematic approximation of spencers

now we can officially confirm the target demo is time traveling teen goths from 2001

I'm amused Deadshot made it in there. Disappointed there's no Capt Boomerang or Waller, tho

clicked bcz of kingfish. That shirt is such a horrendous mishmash of clashing Fraga lines and incoherent design it would be impossible to tell what it was depicting more than a foot away.

remember the elegant clarity of the covers for Deadshot's SS-era mini? cranked out by some inhouse schlub. people presumably got commissioned to design these things.

these clothing items, I mean.

http://www.people.com/article/will-smith-suicide-squad-jared-leto-joker-on-set

Akinnuoye-Agbaje told PEOPLE at the event that Leto's antics helped the rest of the cast form a tighter bond. "What was great was it really created the atmosphere of us against them, and it united us against them because we had a common enemy, which was now the Joker," he said.

"If I tell you some of the stuff he sent me, you'd be like, 'What is in this guys mind?' " he added of Leto's special gifts. "I got used condoms, I got all kinds of stuff and I was like, this is no longer a joke, this is personal."

I've got to give him credit for trying to live up to the comedic tweets painting how "edgy" he was on the set

seriously i was giving anonymous people shit before for falling for them but they were pretty accurate in the end

used condoms! put him in jail forever. real life jail

Can't remember where we discussed Harley Quinn's new design, it's about 5 years old now. Did it come from a Batman videogame? Maybe this is a crazy idea but I can't help but suspect they changed it to make her easier to cosplay as.

used... condoms? ffs

dear boy, why not try acting?

I dunno, the 'new design' is basically just "1) It isn't the one-piece from the animated show 2) It is still in black and red 3) Other than that, go nuts". But this doesn't even hit #2: all of the shots I've seen of Margot Robbie are in red white and blue.

i mean i think the real answer as to why they changed the design is 'tits', pure and simple

More 'skin', I'd say - image google Harley Quinn costume and see how it was drawn when not on the animated series, 'tits' is not not a factor there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crknBlZhUGA

Also yeah people will cosplay as anything, but they'll cosplay more as something they can also wear out.

wonder how dude reconciles his veganism with mailing a pig's head, maybe he just tells his assistant to do it so he keeps his hands clean.

c'mon, are you telling me 'tits' is not a motivating factor in this redesign?

http://comicsalliance.com/files/2011/06/untitled-7.jpg

I'm saying, it doesn't make a lot of sense to describe that as a redesign - Harley didn't look like that in the actual comic, or in the games since or before, or in the Connor / Palmiotti comic. 'more skin' is the common factor in all those depictions (though obviously anything is more skin than the original).

i don't think i'm following you here - harley quinn had a 38-issue solo series where she wore the animated series-derived costume then (iirc) the new 52 suicide squad series gave her the tits-centric makeover

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0Zd-piIUAAzwdI.jpg

Didn't that new design originally come from some Batman video game?

Anyway, Andrew's point was that the old comic book Harley's Quinn's skintight costume, like most superheroine costumes, emphasized her tits well enough. The new costume shows more skin, but the shape of the boobs was already draw in detail in the old costume too, as the cover you posted shows.

Yeah, my bad, the 'actual comic' I meant there was New Suicide Squad, which the "tits falling out" cover is not representative of iirc (not that NSS was a bold step forward or anything). But it's one cover in one comic in a vast range of stuff which is basically "Harley's not wearing the one-piece any more" so I'm not sure it makes sense as a "this is what the redesign was about".

NB I am really really not defending basically anything here except maybe the Connor / Palmiotti, one-piece 4 lyfe.

ahh, okay - sorry, i totally got the wrong end of the stick there

tits/no tits whatever. jester hat or gtfo.

true

she's always been drawn as cheesecake tho

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj242/donaldparsley/Harley_Nightie_zpsgkotxglg.jpg

yeah geez protecting the honour of harley by referencing her comic book past is kinda eyebrow raise imo.

Yes, my main point in this thread is that the old design was a model of propriety.

Wtf at 'used condoms'
Thats a joke right

I fuckin hope so

so crazy, man

Dunno. Jared Leto has always seemed a little off to me.

he tries really hard

Holy crap. I just went to wikipedia to hopefully find an article titled "Jared Leto and What Is His Deal, Anyway" and I had had no idea that he was the guy everybody crushed on from My So Called Life.

this whole thing just screams 'terrible pr campaign' to piggyback off of poor ol dead heath ledger's joker

I haven't seen a whole lot of details about the gifts. Was the dildo inside of a jack-in-the-box? Were the used condoms part of a squirt flower or something?

I know he's probably a human being and just living out his hopes and desires and taking work that interests him, but I really feel like he has two modes of "making people love Jared Leto"

there's the pretty boy/rock star side with his My So Called Life and music endeavors, and then his "oh wait, I can make people think I'm cool/cerebral" side he went into after a 99/00 run of "edgy" films

I still have no idea why the hell he did that movie where he plays Mark David Chapman

is his band bad, or like, really bad?

I still have no idea why the hell he did that movie where he plays Mark David Chapman

Actors, generally speaking, are pretty stupid and highly susceptible to outside influences. That's why they're actors.

rude

I taught a 17 y/o student from Italy a few years back, very smart girl academically, who idolised Leto to an irksome level, to the extent that she'd find a way to twist almost every assignment to being about him. It got boring quickly. I checked out 30 Seconds to Mars on the back of that, they are really not good.

Odds on whether his summer media campaign will be pulling pranks on Fallon/Kimmel vs. "melting down" on same.

reminds me of a recent David Fincher quote, when his daughter told him that her friend Max said Fight Club was his favorite film:
"Don't be friends with Max"

I'll bet there are some Suicide Squad cast members who feel like destroying something beautiful just now.

Something so beautiful, it hurts to look at it.

DO U GET MY JOEKS

Theres no way they'd get away with Suicide Squad Lego, so they chucked Deadshot and Nu52 Harley into a random set with Batman and some bat pods.

http://en.brickimedia.org/wiki/76053_Gotham_City_Cycle_Chase

Still, I dig having a Deadshot Minifig:

http://images.brickimedia.org/thumb/7/73/76053-box.png/800px-76053-box.png

dig the figs

^ fig digger

does that come with a tied off rubber

no but everyone who buys one of those sets could be one of just 25 lucky winners who will find a golden ticket certifying that their batman minifig passed thru jared leto's digestive system before being put into the box

world's most expensive coffee lego

Who needs the ticket: they've already done ultra rare gold minifigs

http://jaysbrickblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/lego-mr-gold-19.jpg

http://www.entertainmentearth.com/hitlist.asp?spotlight=1766&eeshop=&collect=&theme=SUICIDE+SQUAD&company=Factory+Entertainment&utm_source=ee-blog

Factory Entertainment is thrilled to announce from Suicide Squad, Harley Quinn's Good Night Bat! To ensure the accuracy of each piece, WB provided Factory Entertainment's designers with access to the original screen used props from the film, as well as various assets and imagery from the set in order to truly capture what's seen on screen. The Good Night Baseball Bat features the as-seen wording and other fine details, making this SWAT perfect for living out your Harley Quinn role-playing / cosplaying fantasy in a fun and friendly way! To further enhance the collectibles and to add another element of role-play, each Harley Quinn SWAT soft weapon features a series of sounds that play when swung through the air and on impact! SWATs (Soft Weapons and Tactics) capture the fun of stylized fantasy weapons, but executed in soft, safe-for-work-and-play materials, with sounds specifically tailored to each piece and are intended for ages 8 and up.

my children will never receive facsimiles of Deadshot's guns

just the real thing, right

I'm not trying to get them killed quicker

We live in a world where police killed a teen for cosplaying; in that world, my kids get nothing that even remotely look like weapons.

an unfair but good point

ach Harley Quinn SWAT soft weapon features a series of sounds that play when swung through the air and on impact!

'your kids will be thrilled by the realistic sounds of skull fragments being driven through brain tissue!'

i'm guessing they're more POW and BIFF and WHAM-ETH

not only bad around gunslingers but also bad as encouraging fighting. as a kid i nearly seriously injured a young relative with big novelty boxing gloves. said relative got knocked down with their head very close to a hard edge.

http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/bandai-sh-figuarts-suicide-squad-joker-1-183471.jpg

Take it to the WDYLL thread, forks

How did we miss that WB is selling what is very nearly a Margot/Harley living doll?

http://s24.postimg.org/rdbbz0rdx/image.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaUcLzxMFq4

http://www.avclub.com/article/suicide-squad-totally-fuck-you-hardcore-pg-13-rati-237894

The MPAA obviously agreed, saying the rating was due to “sequences of violence and action throughout, disturbing behavior, and suggestive content and language.” Oh, it’s gonna suggest the hell out of some language and content, letting your mind fill in the blanks of all that awesome violence and language you’re not going to see or hear onscreen. Meanwhile, Deadpool continues to be the highest-grossing R-rated film in history. “Yeah, whatever. F that,” retorts Suicide Squad, because, hey, language.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClKX3yPUkAAH6M9.jpg

“Purple Lamborghini” by Skrillex & Rick Ross
“Sucker For Pain” (with Logic, Ty Dolla $ign & X Ambassadors) by Lil Wayne, Wiz Khalifa & Imagine Dragons
“Heathens” by twenty one pilots
“Standing In The Rain” (feat. Mark Ronson) by Action Bronson & Dan Auerbach (of The Black Keys)
“Gangsta” by Kehlani
“Know Better” by Kevin Gates
“You Don’t Own Me” (feat. G-Eazy) by Grace
“Without Me” by Eminem
“Wreak Havoc” by Skylar Grey
“Medieval Warfare” by Grimes
“Bohemian Rhapsody” by Panic! At The Disco
“Slippin’ Into Darkness” by War
“Fortunate Son” by Creedence Clearwater Revival
“I Started a Joke” (feat. Becky Hanson) by ConfidentialMX

“Bohemian Rhapsody” by Panic! At The Disco

uhh

I'll be so disappointed if the Joker isn't introduced in an extended musical number where he does the futterwacken to "Without Me".

This is the kind of soundtrack that should come with the case pre-scuffed and markdown used CD price stickers on it indicating it already made the rounds of old chains like the Wherehouse before finally ending up in the dusty cardboard box at the charity shop a strip mall church theoretically runs.

“I Started a Joke” (feat. Becky Hanson) by ConfidentialMX

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/54714269.jpg

Pre-cover?

nominate ned to pre-cover 'without me'

I'm to the point on ilx pop culture threads where Old Lunch posts my own thoughts before I read the thread

keep up the good work!

xpost -- Thank you no. I will however coordinate a volunteer effort to delete the master files.

xpost Haha, thanks, will do.

'Slippin' Into Darkness' is a tite track, anyway. If it gets the kids into War, something positive will have been achieved by this endeavor.

My wife is a fairly popular author of steamy Joker/Harley fic. I'd love to enlist her help in writing some erotic lyrics that I could set to some brutally beautiful metal riffs should a precovers sesh come to pass

Something something show you my squirting flower

Rhyme 'Juggalos' with 'juggle those'. This thing writes itself.

'where does he get those wonderful toys', harley gasped

'This clown needs an enema.'

Lost opportunity here for a Steve Miller/Lil Wayne collab.

'i'm gonna make this penis disappear'

okay i'll stop now

I make no such vow.

'Gonna make my puddin' pop'

'you can rub my rhubarb any day mistah j'

Why so serious?
Take a ride upon my laughing fish

All A+ contributions, good work team, you truly are super villians

very the crow ost is the worst record i have ever heard

I was thinking Spawn.

^^What Harley does to achieve orgasm.

38% on RT...

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/suicide_squad_2016/

Welp. Nice knowin' ya, DC cinematic universe.

i'm shocked

SHOCKED

saw some quote from the director in the NYT about how the end was "morally questionable" or something like that - put my fears to rest

oof

From the first scene to the last, it’s an absolute mess, one whose harried pacing, jumbled narrative, and blaring soundtrack of radio hits suggests a desperate post-production attempt to reconfigure what Ayer got on set into something palatable and poppy.

viola davis as amanda waller seems like the only good decision anyone involved in this movie made, huh

Not convinced that this is the end of the DCCU, this is more like 'what if Deadpool tanked'

I imagine that negative reviews will only bolster the fervent defense of the movie by the people to whom it is targeted (Ed Hardy wearin' gritty muderverse stans).

xpost Except that they're planning to build a 10+ film franchise off of a scant handful of underwhelming and underperforming flicks. If this one doesn't turn things around...

you just described zack snyder iirc xp

Wonder Woman is seriously the first entry of this nonsense that looked like something I might pay money to see. The recent bombshell that Snyder was more hands-on than at first indicated, though, gives me second thoughts.

i can't wait for the schadenfreude lols that future behind-the-scenes production stories will bring - seems like it was a bit of a shitshow from start to finish

It sounded very much like they reshot and re-edited much of the movie at the eleventh hour as a reaction to the success of Deadpool. Which seems like a pretty great recipe for cinematic magic (I call it 'cinemagic').

In polite old New England vernacular, calling a misbehaved child "fresh" is tantamount to calling him a vile little shit. It's reserved for ill-tempered, snarky kids who cuss a lot. My mom calls Hot Topic "Fresh Topic," and referred in the '80s to Bart Simpson as "that fresh yellow boy." In every possible way, this movie looks like it's trying to be fresh.

One time in high school when I was with my extended family around the holidays, my weird and similarly-aged cousin kept coming up to me and my brothers and saying random curse words under his breath and giggling like it was super transgressive but it was actually just sad and more than a little uncomfortable. I guess WB decided that audiences nationwide should have that same experience.

https://twitter.com/pattymo/status/760511837083435008

Can't trust the SUICIDE SQUAD reviews because there's a very real chance the critics were all driven insane by how twisted it is

i am liking these pull quotes.

"Who stole the soul of Suicide Squad? I'd say it's Ayer's willingness to go all limp-dick and compromise his hardcore action bona fides for a PG-13 crowdpleaser that would rather ingratiate than cut deep, or even cut at all."
-Peter Travers, Rolling Stone

"A puzzlingly confused undertaking that never becomes as cool as it thinks it is, Suicide Squad assembles an all-star team of supervillains and then doesn't know what to do with them."
- Todd McCarthy, Hollywood Reporter

"So much happens in David Ayer's DC Comics adaptation Suicide Squad that by the end, it's as if you've seen nothing."
- Stephanie Zacharek, Time

"What a waste of a perfectly twisted Suicide Squad."
- Richard Roeper, Chicago Sun Times

I should catch up on classic Suicide Squad comics, but the way this movie was pitched was as a murderous group of loners who would accept being allied for pragmatic reasons and it's being pitched as a funny team of oddball reluctant friends

Sorry, _was_ pitched versus re-pitched

There were never any plans to build a Franchise off this though, the through path is Man of Steel -> Batman vs Superman from Man of Steel -> Wonder Woman from Batman vs Superman -> (Batman and Superman and Wonder Woman and Aquaman and Flash) from Batman vs Superman in the JLA -> Flash from JLA -> Aquaman from JLA -> JLA II. This is like Deadpool in that it's a scrappy little film (though much more expensive) without anyone that we'd expect to see again.

It sounded very much like they reshot and re-edited much of the movie at the eleventh hour as a reaction to the success of Deadpool.

As far as I know yes except instead of "success of Deadpool" read "critical kicking of Batman vs Superman"

That Travers quote is O_O. Dude is generally such an undiscriminating cinematic milquetoast. 'Limp dick'! It must really be bad.

Ayer's previous movies have, for the most part, been based around a group of cops or soldiers that have a very tense relationship with their peers, with an air of distrust compounded by in-group hazing or outright abuse.

You could look at The Fast and the Furious or S.W.A.T, both of which he wrote but didn't direct and tease out a PG13-ready concept but the former has too much heart and the latter ended up feeling very rote and fell into the generic "film version of a tv show" trap that a bunch of films around that time did. Nothing controversial enough to bruise what the studios felt was a useful property, nothing interesting enough to make it worth watching.

Bringing him on due to his stronger work, restricting it to PG13, and then recutting it via intense focus group studies.. probably doesn't have much of a chance

This is like Deadpool in that it's a scrappy little film (though much more expensive) without anyone that we'd expect to see again.

They had Affleck Batman in it from the beginning and the pitch in the commercials is "we need a team in case the Superman thing happens again"! Even if we never see any of these characters again, they're tying it directly into the backstory of their movie universe.

it's a scrappy little film (though much more expensive) without anyone that we'd expect to see again

except they shoehorned the Joker/Batman in there purely for franchise reasons

im glad all the actors in this got shitty poorly spelled tattoos so they can remember this great experience for the rest of their lives

Oh I didn't know about Affleck - nemmind then. Jesus, what an odd fucking film to tie into the two-film-old attempt to hamfistedly copy Marvel ... oh yeah.

http://i.imgur.com/PCSqVzW.gif

My mom calls Hot Topic "Fresh Topic," and referred in the '80s to Bart Simpson as "that fresh yellow boy."

― remy bean, Tuesday, 2 August 2016 20:13 Bookmark

dying

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/suicide-squads-secret-drama-rushed-916693

A key concern for Warners executives was that Suicide Squad didn't deliver on the fun, edgy tone promised in the strong teaser trailer for the film. So while Ayer pursued his original vision, Warners set about working on a different cut, with an assist from Trailer Park, the company that had made the teaser.

In May, Ayer's more somber version and a lighter, studio-favored version were tested with audiences in Northern California. "If there are multiple opinions that aren't in sync, you go down multiple tracks — two tracks at least," says an insider. "That was the case here for a period of time, always trying to get to a place where you have consensus." Those associated with the film insist Ayer agreed to and participated in the process. Once feedback on the two versions was analyzed, it became clear it was possible to get to "a very common-ground place." (The studio-favored version with more characters introduced early in the film and jazzed-up graphics won.) Getting to that place of consensus, however, required millions of dollars worth of additional photography.

coup de grace:

Though reviews suggest the competing visions for the movie may have taken a toll (THR's critic calls the film "puzzlingly confused"), BTIG analyst Rich Greenfield says, "I've learned long ago there is not always a connections between reviews and box office and financial success."

What a break for a trailer company.

short version: Ayer made a dark film about villains, Warners panicked because their gritty movie about heroes was panned, they test screened it and then shot a bunch of comedic bits to add to the film, then had the final thing edited by new editors, including the people who worked on the trailers

imo they ignored the substance of the criticism and decided to go the comedy route for some reason, probably some sort of chart involving box office payout and Deadpool or something

xp no kidding! some trailers are better than the films they're promoting. apparently someone decided to cut out the middlemen.

It sounds like Ayer was put through the ringer, firing his agent and switching agencies only to switch back the next day. This is the kind of shit that drives directors away and leaves them whispering the words "I get final cut" to themselves as they rock back and forth on their barstool

ayer is i think a pretty strong director and writer, his police flicks are very well-made, and he's made at least one film in that genre that is genuinely great ('end of watch'.) i think he was mostly left to his own devices on his previous films, i mean whatever their worth they've got a particular "voice".

otm, they're not the greatest films but his main strengths are his tonal consistency and emphasizing moral complexity over plot complexity. cutting in additional material seems the easiest way to override those strengths

this reminds me of when my old roomate was working on GI Joe 2 - the original was panned so their original idea was to immediately kill off channing tatum's character. then 21 jump street came out and the studio decided the world demanded more channing tatum, and they ended up reshooting like half the movie.

they're flogging the hell out of this thing on the late night talk shows and the clips are always as absurd as i imagine the whole film is.

I hope to god the initial test screenings didn't lead them to adding more Leto

Walter Chaw:

Suicide Squad fails at every single thing it attempts. It's porn for children. It'll make a ton of money, cause a lot of head-scratching and impotent conversations and mild outrage, and then Trump will be President and we'll deserve it.

AO Scott late to the party but came out swingin' with André Bazin references:

A series of tactical skirmishes with faceless minions — semi-zombies that can be slaughtered en masse, without a second thought — leads to a big final showdown. Spoiler alert: It’s essentially the final showdown from “Ghostbusters” and at least a half-dozen other recent blockbusters, with a few differences of what I guess we should call nuance. You can safely duck out of the theater and spend a good 20 minutes on the claw machine or Instagram, slipping back in to catch the final song and the sequel-teasing extra scene during the end credits.

i can't think of a more boring movie reviewer than a.o. scott. so tedious to read. aren't there any fiery young critics out there the NYT could hire? get rid of the old lumps. this is the everything he says in that review about what the movie looks like: "The colors are lurid and smeary."

Bazin indeed!

I tend to trust Dargis' taste

i just never read any good writing from those guys. very review/synopsis-oriented and kind of a snooze. it's definitely not good criticism.

A fairly overlapping set of circles in the Venn diagram of this, die-hard Trump supporters, men's rights advocates, and white men without a college degree.

A.O. Scott is the weirdest champion of, like, the well-done medium budget traditional Hollywood movie. Every review he writes, lately, is like reading a review of an adequate hamburger.

Pete Wells could probably write better movie reviews.

Heh, I was just reading on that Ask Greil Marcus page about how GM thinks AOS is such a great great critic - never read Scott's stuff, so was kinda intrigued (tho elsewhere on that site, GM produces a p tired old list - Thomson, Kael, Farber etc - when asked to name his fave film crits so...i dunno)

Out of interest, how does Scott bring Bazin in to a review of the Suicide Squad movie?

Again, don't really know Dargis crit - was put off her when Morbs quoted her saying that Spielberg belonged in the very top of the pantheon, which unreasonably enraged me. Whenever I look at that page of star ratings in Film Comment (I'm looking at em now), I don't agree w/ a lot of her rankings - 2 stars for Cemetery of Splendor, Embrace of the Serpent, The Lobster, 3 stars for Miles Ahead, no way

I don't agree with her on Cemetery or Embrace, that's for sure.

here's Scott's opening:

Scholars of classical Hollywood sometimes speak of “the genius of the system,” a phrase coined by the French critic André Bazin to refer to the ability of the old studio machinery to turn out works of inventive and beautiful popular art. But times change. “Suicide Squad,” the latest product of the DC-Warner Bros. partnership, is a good example of the idiocy of the system. This is not to say that it’s a completely terrible movie — it is certainly not worse than “X-Men: Apocalypse,” “Captain America: Civil War” or, heaven knows, “Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice” — but rather that its virtues and shortcomings are more systemic than specific. Written and directed by David Ayer (“Fury,” “End of Watch”), “Suicide Squad” is a so-so, off-peak superhero movie. It chases after the nihilistic swagger of “Deadpool” and the anarchic whimsy of “Guardians of the Galaxy” but trips over its own feet. The colors are lurid and smeary (when it’s not too dark to see what’s going on). The language pushes the far boundary of its PG-13 rating. The death toll is high, and the weapons are nasty. In spite of all the mayhem and attitude, the overall mood is cautious. For a film about a gang of outlaw brawlers, “Suicide Squad” is awfully careful to stay inside the lines.

"Suicide Squad is two hours of soul-sickening, sensory torment"

http://www.sfgate.com/movies/article/Suicide-Squad-is-two-hours-of-9067798.php

Tell us how you really feel.

xpost

In The Material Ghost, Gilberto Perez (a better film writer than Dargis or Scott, I'm willing to bet) writes in a footnote:

By "the genius of the system" Bazin did not exactly mean the Hollywood studio system... but something larger, the conjunction of a medium, its practioners, and its public, the social, cultural, historical juncture that allowed Hollywood's classical art to flourish.

something i've noticed just this week in the reviews of this film; phrasing to the effect of "you can cheerfully leave after the first 45 minutes and have not missed much" and "you can pop out to the candy counter and come back for the finale.." etc. i mean.. who on earth would actually do that?? i must have seen this kind of sentiment expressed 3 times across a handful of reviews. where's it coming from?? it seems like a whole new thing.

I'm only going to see this coz T-Mobile gave out free tickets to it as part of T-Mobile Tuesday. at least this one is free.

the part about getting in the guys who made the trailer to help out with the re-cut is blowing my mind.

"you can pop out to the candy counter and come back for the finale.."

maybe filmmakers are realizing their movies are so terrible they have started incorporating viral marketing by promoting film counter candy/popcorn vendors into bad reviews

http://comicbook.com/2016/08/03/petition-to-shut-down-rotten-tomatoes-over-bad-suicide-squad-rev/

lots of people I know think RT actually are scoring the movies themselves and don't know how data aggregation works (tho RT's binary scoring system is a bit misleading to begin with, though they do post an 'average score' as well).

all the aggregation is dumb as hell, you have to weight using special sauce due to the fact rating systems are different. you either end up with "net positive/negative" which can mean everyone thought it was ok as a film but not that interesting (so it gets a really high percent) or an attempt to average out numerical ratings which is another shitshow

90% on rotten tomatoes, iirc, means that people thought it was ok, not that it rates a 9/10

so if something fails as a film but is interesting, depending on the reviewer set, you end up with abyssmal scores but it could appeal to you

I guess that might be this film for some people, but it doesn't mean the site is wrong, per se.

yeah, RT I find useful only cos I know how to read it and still actually read the attached reviews rather than just going "OMG IT GOT AN 83%!".

Metacritic tends to be 'more accurate' iirc.

no they are all bad

yeah Metacritic is great. also there's a cool 'disparity' feature on there too, where you can see films with the highest ratings by the site users that have been slated by the critics. there's not enough of that kind of thing on these sites IMO.

i've never seen this movie but the sjw types hate it

*votes 10/10*

Fanboys more deserving of pissing off than sjws.

i'm glad this 20 year promotional cycle is coming to a close

rotten tomatoes is awful, but outraged fanboys are worse

i like RT. i have seen a lot of movies that were low rated on RT and they were almost all horrible movies. it's useful to average the ratings from industry experts.

the only people who think this movie is going to be so good there must be a CONSPIRACY AGAINST IT are people with no sense of perspective.

BvS was lousy. but not even in a bad movie kind of way. just dull and unpleasant and loud and confusing.

has anyone seen the Ultimate Cut? does it explain anything?

I have only seen the Ultimate Cut. It was dull, unpleasant, loud, confusing, and very long. There was a solid one hour stretch where there were no superheroics of any kind.

I've seen only Ultimate Cut too. It wasn't confusing or anything, but I think it's notable that it takes over two hours to set the titular conflict between Batman and Supes, and even then, A) they still can't do it without using the kidnapping of a loved one as justification, and B) it still makes both heroes look like idiots. But this is a movie where Batman shoots and kills a whole bunch of people without any care, and where Superman acts like a mopey teenager (and kills two villains too, despite the outrage the previous movie's ending caused), so they might've just as well been any random characters, they have little to do with the Supes and Bats as they've been established for the last 70+ years.

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/08/whats-the-matter-with-the-dc-comics-movie-franchise/494333
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We need this site to be shut down because It's Critics always give The DC Extended Universe movies unjust Bad Reviews, Like
1- Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice 2016
2- Suicide Squad 2016

and that Affects people's opinion even if it's a really great movies

It Afflecks people's opinion

hmmm
SUPERMAN RETURNS (2006) - 76%
BATMAN BEGINS (2005) - 84%
THE DARK KNIGHT (2008) - 94%
THE DARK KNIGHT RISES (2012) - 87%

What? No Catwoman?

the fanboy campaigns really kill me. like, if you love DC so much why not direct your anger at WB for making shit movies?

mysteriously the Catwoman rating is just a little picture of DJP giving a thumbs-up

this looks like shit. I'm so tired of seeing Margot Robbie smirk. I don't 'get' harley quinn. I hate this movie.

Im goin cos T Mobile gave freebie tix to all its members Tuesday lol.

are you going to post that every 25 hours until you see it?

sic is sad

Believe it or not sometimes people forget they posted something already, you dickcheese

But if my brain fog is amusing to ya knock yrself out

sic burnt

I am sure 45% of the movie is Robbie making a sexual innuendo

i wish it were just a movie of juggalo jared leto mailing people shocking things

i've seen worse comic book movies

was entertaining enough, even though far from perfect and you could see all the rough edges were scenes were bizarrely re-edited in even though we'd already seen them and pop songs blatantly inserted to make the movie more "fun"

leto/robbie were fine, will smith was fine as slightly angrier will smith. too many characters, but the ones we actually got time for backstory on were solid enough. first act with all the flashbacks was the best part for me, when it became dirty dozen + mud creatures it got too predictable

Believe it or not sometimes people forget they posted something already, you dickcheese

why so serious

It Afflecks people's opinion

bloody hell I laughed a lot at this haha

This was p competent for 40 minutes, then became a sloppy, dour borefest
The action sequences all sucked after the initial 10 minutes

Better than Bat vs Supes but i left early cos it was just sooooo bland.

Nhex otm tho. It was not an outright dumpster fire

That expression is super misused. I saw a dumpster fire once, and it was pretty cool.

THE DARK KNIGHT (2008) - 94%
THE DARK KNIGHT RISES (2012) - 87%

shut down rotten tomatoes for giving such high ratings to these abortions tbh

Once again, though, RT doesn't rate the films, it just collects critical data.

I hadn't realized that critics had drank the Kool aid with TDK so much that they so overwhelmingly endorsed the sequel.

maria and cyrus liked this last night. but cyrus is 11 and maria smokes a ton of pot, so, you know, caveat emptor. i didn't want to go.

Endorsed = anything from a 6 (5?) out of 10 upwards.

We also asked Leto if he was upset about any of his scenes getting cut – as previously reported – to which he responded.

“Were there any that didn’t get cut? I’m asking you, were there any that didn’t get cut? There were so many scenes that got cut from the movie, I couldn’t even start. I think that the Joker… we did a lot of experimentation on the set, we explored a lot. There’s so much that we shot that’s not in the film.

“If I die anytime soon, it’s probably likely that it’ll surface somewhere. That’s the good news about the death of an actor is all that stuff seems to come out.”

As IGN left the room we told Leto we hope he doesn’t die anytime soon, to which he rather darkly responded “We all die.”

http://ie.ign.com/articles/2016/08/05/jared-leto-unsure-about-jokers-journey-in-suicide-squad

some spoilers in that I guess

apart from the "we all die" bit I mean

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/suicide-squad-is-the-summers-best-movie-about-divorce-1784871078

In short, this is an adventure in Ross Douthat’s apocalypse of sexually liberated women and laws designed to harm families, but with a happy ending only he could write. Imagine if God met the man at Yale, but then took him to Hot Topic. That’s really what this experience is all about.

Leto is a tool, this couldn't have happened to a nicer actor

http://bullettmedia.com/article/jared-leto-got-shamed-deleting-douchiest-tweet-yet/buxwog8imaagg3g/

My 12-year-old went with his aunts today and they all loved it, apparently. I'm just happy I won't feel any pressure to take him.

i'm amazed that this film can generate any passionate reaction. unlike Batman v Supes, which was batshit, this was just boring, can't see people screaming in ecstacy or agony over it. (12 year olds excluded - kids love things)

(12 year olds excluded - kids love things)

Diehard superhero-movie audience = mentally/emotionally 12, regardless of physical/chronological age

very true. the 4000 post thread for that stupid nu-ghostbusters movie is a good example.

High bar and all, but that might actually be the dumbest thing you've said on ILX.

His little, beaming face.

http://pics.blameitonthevoices.com/082016/small_jared_leto_jacket.jpg

That's like some Perry Bible shit

"High bar and all, but that might actually be the dumbest thing you've said on ILX."

wait, me? that is sooooo not the dumbest thing i've said on ilx. not even top ten!

He was probably talking to me. Comic-book saddos get so defensive when you point out their stalled development.

NO WE DON'T

I'M TELLING MOM

People who've seen it, which side is worse, Ayer's dark and gritty or the trailer company's wacky music video?

the latter. the dark and gritty can only go so far, it's PG-13

I really don't see why this movie is really considered all that much worse than other super hero movies. Really all of them, even the good ones are pretty dumb. I thought it was fun, it's a comic book movie. You got a couple panels of origin for each character then you got a big extended fight scene to go take out the monster. That's like half the super hero comics ever made. It is totally laid out like a video game where each character gets a theme song.

Waller is flat out evil in this thing, which might be some anti-govt subtext to the whole thing. To say it's all that much less hammy than the stuff in those Capt. America movies is absurd. It's all pulp soda pop stuff anyway.

haven't seen it, but was hoping that it was fun anyway. looks fun! been holding on to two free movie tickets for a year or two now, was thinking of spending them on this but I dunno. is there sonething else playing now that is waaaaay better?

is it better or worse than the new Ghostbusters?

same deal really - entertaining, not nearly as bad as ppl made it out to be

that's good to know. no lofty expectations mind you, fwiw I quite liked "Blade II" (don't tell dr. morbius), not in the same way that I liked "8 1/2", but surely there must be a time and a place in this world for "Blade II"

Overheard my son discussing the movie with his mother:

And it had all these great songs in it like Spirit in the Sky and Sympathy for the Devil!"

Ah no it was scott - common-or-garden nerd bashing is pretty dull, but non-common-or-garden nerds have not really been doing us any favours. And at least it had some connection to reality.

I don't feel like this movie *was* fun is the issue. the first 40 minutes of character introductions and training exercises and wisecracks was actually a blast, and it was stylistically 'comic book'-y.

Unlike Guardians of the Galaxy, though, which only had a handful of characters to introduce you to, there are an assload of characters in this film and some of them you barely get introduced to since they jump into the big battle so quickly. I forgot Killer Croc was even in it until he said his one line ("I'm beautiful!"). I didn't want detailed back stories on each one, no, but the issue was they tried to hedge their bets by having a momentum-stalling bar scene where everybody sobbed around a table and drank.

there also don't really frame the stakes very well so it's hard to give much of a shit about any of the various battles because you don't really care if they win them or not, just that they 'look cool' (and outside of the first five minutes - it gets repetitive after the 90th mud person gets iced).

Honestly, the scenes with the Joker could have been deleted outside of Harley's introduction and nobody would have missed them. Plus Joker dresses like a gangsta rapper in this and seems more like he's doing impressions of past Jokers than bringing his own thing to the table. He does have the "deranged" tattoo too.

I think Robbie does a good job at Harley but they basically just prance her about sexually the whole film after her introduction.

Definitely not as bad as other DC flicks in that there are parts of it that *are* fun (I did like the Nolan Batman films if that discredits me) but I can certainly tell the difference between it and a Marvel film.

seems like DC is 0 for 3 since kickstarting their own movieverse (I hate that word) with Man of Steel.

This was my 'favorite' of the three

I really don't see why this movie is really considered all that much worse than other super hero movies. Really all of them, even the good ones are pretty dumb.

fwiw i saw X-Men Apocalypse last night and was kind of taken back by how much drama and real character insight they had, the whole Magneto sideplot in the beginning was just heartbreaking and felt like it had some deeper truths in it. then you had Professor X's unrequited love thing. felt like i was watching Real People i could actually relate to. obv i don't want to turn it into a Marvel vs DC thing cos i could care less but thinking back to Superman and even Batman, you just can't relate to those characters at all.

yeah the x men movies have their problems but lack of character development isn't one of them

that Magneto plotline was some cheap bullshit imo

"felt like i was watching Real People i could actually relate to"

Cannot imagine feeling like this in a cinema in 2016 tbh

tbh Real People are hard to relate to

Killer Cric tho, I feel his pain

In caps it makes me think we are talking about RealDolls itt

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/photopost/data/654/medium/1980_Diff_rent_Strokes_Grady_Real_People_Whitman_Mayo_NBC_Tv_Guide_Ad.JPG

love 2 relate

hoo boy this is a real lumpy, ugly mess of a movie. they seem to have butchered the second act almost to nothing and what's left makes very little sense. there's a fun metagame in watching jai courtney's hair and beard change length and style from scene to scene - i guess they stopped giving a fuck about continuity once the reshoots started?

it feels like they left a lot of jared leto on the cutting-room floor but he manages to be catastrophically poor in the scenes which survive. he's ACTING SO HARD it's embarrassing to watch.

i liked killer croc's makeup tho!

yeah I don't get the "Jared's a great joker, he just didn't get much to do" line, I mean the latter is certainly true, but he seems to be doing actor karaoke most of the time, imitations of past Jokers in a gumbo rather than bringing any real personality to it

can't believe this takes place in the fight club universe and the joker is the guy who was beat to shit by ed norton

god bless poor jai courtney, the man cursed with hollywood's most forgettable face - i've seen him in like four movies by this point but i still couldn't pick him out of a lineup of five moderately handsome white guys if you gave me three chances

lol he doesn't help by being so devoid of charisma

the twitter joke of tagging things with tom hardy's name, since the role was obviously created as "a tom hardy type," is good

i enjoyed the part where a bunch of non-powered humans armed with guns, a sword and a baseball bat managed to defeat an immensely powerful witch from another dimension

also the part in the bar where will smith ruefully laments that they were so close to completing their mission and the audience shuffles their feet and mutters 'what the fuck was your mission supposed to be again?'

recouping production costs iirc

i just looked this up on imdb and realised that jai courtney is so unmemorable that i spent the whole movie thinking he was playing rick flag - he actually plays captain boomerang :/

tbf Joel Kinnaman is equally forgettable

parts of the first half of this reminded me of how spring breakers was edited but this time i don't think the hazy, looping incoherence was partic intentional

enjoyed that everything down to the subtitles was in edgy font

extraordinary moment near the end when events you watched happen in their entirety an hour ago are shown again wrapped in all the audiovisual signifiers of a Revelatory Flashback

i was super annoyed by that lol

part of the obvious editing problems, like how many times did we need to see Diablo burning up that prison yard

it really feels like it was hacked to pieces and stitched back together in a hurry.

- katana and slipknot are introduced in such a rush it almost seems like an afterthought
- harley quinn's flashbacks seem dropped in at random
- the scene with enchantress and rick flag in the underground not only makes no sense (why are they setting a bomb to go off in two seconds?!) but is repeated twice for some reason
- the end of the first act, which i'd say is where the squad get together in one place before heading off to midway city, seems to run straight into the start of what looks like the third act, with Enchantress starting up her destruction machine, before looping back to an incoherent second act where the squad learn to work together as they fight up the building to free waller. i'm guessing most of the what makes up the second act is a reshoot, since they supposedly shot extra to add more action and this section is almost all fighting and is pretty much entirely disposable. it also totally muddies what the squad's mission is supposed to be - they get put into action, it seems, to stop the enchantress but they're actually they're instead to... rescue waller? i genuinely did not follow this at all
- who shot down the squad's helicopter? was it the joker's goons? we never see where the shots come from, do we?

also I can't stress enough how much it bothered me that rick flag sometimes had a goatee and short hair and sometimes a shitty beard and longer, slicked-back hair

I love the maudlin bar scene that brings everything to a screeching halt with Flagg having his emo moment, like it was totally unearned, were we really supposed to be moved by it?

weirdest part in that terrible scene is where flag smashes the device which controls the squad's explosive implants and harley gleefully skips over to the mirror to check out her neck, seemingly forgetting that her puddin' deactivated her device like five minutes beforehand

i like the thought that the squad were all shitfaced during the final battle tho

I was taking a piss during most of the Joker scene. what happened with the whole helicopter rescue shit

a letter from a disgruntled former warners employee takes aim at snyder and execs:

An Open Letter To Warner Bros CEO Kevin Tsujihara About Layoffs, Zack Snyder, and Donuts

When I left my screening of Suicide Squad last week, I was angry. I was annoyed and let down and frustrated as well, but mostly I was just angry.

Look, I'm a big dork. So of course I thought this trainwreck of a movie did a major disservice to the characters, concept, cast, and crew, but that wasn't why I was mad. Yes, it is unfathomable to me that Warner Bros could mess up a movie starring Will Smith, Margot Robbie, and The Joker so completely. But that just had me flummoxed.

I was angry because I couldn't stop thinking about you, Kevin Tsujihara.

A lot of fans might be angry (and rightfully so) because you keep completely whiffing at properties that they are desperate to love and enjoy, but this is a little more personal for me. See, I am a former Warner Bros employee. I have so much respect for your studio. I love every square inch of that magical backlot, from Stars Hollow to the fitness center I always meant to use. The people I worked with during my time with your company are now close friends. On my last day, I hugged them and I told them I loved them.

I was also there in 2014, when you made the decision to lay off 10 percent of your workforce. It was a terrible year. Let me catch you up: Every morning I woke up with a pit in my stomach, because I assumed that would be the day I lost my job. Every day I saw someone packing up their desk, or carrying a box to their car. I can not describe to you the relief I felt when my department was told we were safe, or the guilt I felt afterwards walking through the halls of my office with that relief.

But out of all that, the thing that really sticks with me is the memo you sent to all of us. Let me refresh you on my favorite part:

I wanted you to hear directly from me about our plans for the studio. In recent days, we have started to hear rumors here at the company and to read misinformation in the press, so I'd like to set the record straight. I know that the hard work and dedication of every employee around the world is the key to Warner Bros.' success, and I am sorry for the distraction this situation brings to the workplace.

At Warner Bros., we work with the world's most extraordinary storytellers, and our focus has always been to provide the creative environment and financial resources they need to realize their vision. Our commitment to that won't change. In fact, we're investing more than ever in our film and television productions.

This is how you opened a memo about layoffs. "Hey guys, we work hard for the people telling stories here and we want to make sure those visions are realized." The balls on you.

That year we pursued the storytelling vision of Adam Sandler's Blended and Clint Eastwood's Jersey Boys. Failures. We pursued a potentially great summer movie like Edge of Tomorrow and completely botched its release. Same with Man From UNCLE. We dug in our heels and hoped The Hobbit Trilogy would somehow stop being a mediocre case of diminishing returns. Talented, loyal people packed their boxes and went home while your story tellers dropped the ball.

One could argue that this was not your fault. That you inherited former CEO Barry Meyer's agenda and were merely trying to correct the course of an ocean liner heading for an iceberg.

I would not make this argument. And here's why: I wrote this letter last year. I actually started forming it in my head after Man of Steel was a box office failure instead of the modern classic tentpole you were expecting.

I kept holding off on doing anything with it because of one title: Suicide Squad. Zack Snyder's Dawn of Justice was a fiasco, but here comes this plucky little dark adventure about antiheroes. I love David Ayer. I love Harley Quinn. I love Will Smith. Put the letter in a drawer. The ship isn't sinking anymore. Everything is fine. There's no way this movie is bad.

And here we are. I got back from my screening and dusted this sucker off. You, your executive team, and the vision of your 'extraordinary storytellers' that resulted in the loss of around one thousand jobs seem intent on crashing the ship into as much shit as you can find in the ocean by making inane decisions over and over again.

Zack Snyder is not delivering. Is he being punished? Assistants who were doing fantastic work certainly were. People in finance and in marketing and in IT. They had no say in a movie called Batman V Superman only having 8 minutes of Batman fighting Superman in it, that ends because their moms have the same name. Snyder is a producer on every DC movie. He is still directing Justice League. He is being rewarded with more opportunity to get more people laid off. I'm assuming you yourself haven't been financially affected in any real way. You and your studio are the biggest lesson about life one can learn: The top screws up and the bottom suffers. Peter Jackson phones it in and a marketing supervisor has to figure out a plan B for house payments.

Your uneven Hall H presentation at Comic Con this year was a ridiculous mess that ranged from rushed to boring. When Marvel announced their full slate of films with a fun fan event several years ago, you announced yours on a shareholder conference call.
You just don't get it. And it's not just DC movies, it's your whole slate. Jupiter Ascending. Get Hard. Hot Pursuit. Max. Vacation. Pan. Point Break. Fucking PAN, you jerk. People lost their jobs and you decided Pan was a good idea. You think another Jungle Book is a good idea.
What are you even doing? I wish to God you were forced to live out of a car until you made a #1 movie of the year. Maybe Wonder Woman wouldn't be such a mess. Don't try to hide behind the great trailer. People inside are already confirming it's another mess. It is almost impressive how you keep rewarding the same producers and executives for making the same mistakes, over and over.

If I worked at a donut stand, and I kept fucking up donuts, I'd be fired. Even if I made a tiny decent one every now and then, it doesn't matter. I'm gonna get fired.

I love that studio, and you're allowing it to sink. It's not about making movies for 'the fans' and not 'the critics.' It's not even about 'ruining childhoods.' It's about protecting livelihoods.

It's time to wake up and make the fucking donuts, Kevin.

Predicted 69% second week drop, on par with Boredman Vs. Stuporman.

nice

the twitter joke of tagging things with tom hardy's name, since the role was obviously created as "a tom hardy type," is good

― mh, Friday, August 12, 2016 8:14 PM (2 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The two of them look so similar it would've been pretty fucking weird if Hardy had actually taken the part of Flagg, as was originally intended.

Saw it this evening after several beers.

Messy as shit, but in no way making me think this some massively fascist shit as every take a Zac Snyder DC inspires.

Here, the actors actually work well together, in parts, and the film has enough bits to make one curious exactly how much the studio effed over David Ayer

All-in-all: I hope John Ostrander got a big-ass check from this, as without him and his late wife, DC would have no film.

Found it most interesting that Will Smith actually portrayed a character, rather than just Will Smithing all over the place.

saw this at the drive-in, yeah it's a total mess, possibly a worse movie than BvS. Joker was meh, Harley Quinn was eh, Will Smith was alright but it is hardly convincing to have Will Smith say "Remember, we're the bad guys". sure you are, Will Smith, sure you are.

when they killed the witch at the end of the movie by stabbing her heart i was like..... why didn't you guys just do that at the start?

lots of horrible editing. just long stretches of boringness and then THEYWOULDHAVEAFLASHBACKHERE'SJoKERDOINGTHISTHING and then it's gone. i had heard the trailer company re-edited the movie, they should have put more neon stuff into it. as it is, about halfway through it just goes into dull dark territory.

Waller was well-cast but really poorly written. again, she had the heart of the enchantress the entire time, and was even seen stabbing it out of frustration, and yet it never occurred to just destroy the heart and kill all the evil magic beings taking over the world? the bit where Waller was leaving in her heli and then a second later it was crashing was so poorly edited. WHAT HAD HAPPENED? did someone shoot the helicopter down? one scene they are flying away and then second later she is crashing. i felt like i had missed something, and i probably did cos it was edited out. which is confusing cos the other helicopter is crashing too ....?

yes! I was baffled that the movie went from neon overload craziness in the first hour to really drab gray for the rest of it. i don't have anything else to say that hasn't been said here, it was a mess, but that first hour/half-hour was at least kinetic and looked cool.

All-in-all: I hope John Ostrander got a big-ass check from this, as without him and his late wife, DC would have no film.

I hope this, too. I don't believe it, but I do hope it.

he seems very boosterish (gold)
http://www.comicmix.com/2016/08/07/john-ostrander-reviews-the-suicide-squad/

Jared Leto: Actor Reportedly Says He Feels He Was Tricked Into Doing 'Suicide Squad' Movie
Leto, who played the Joker, said at an event he thought it would be a more artistic production and has not seen the theatrical release, according to a fan who summarized the conversation on Tumblr.

omg i'm dying

jared leto def seems like one of hollywood's more profoundly stupid people

leto's joker needed more cagney and fewer random emphases

that instagram post of him looking sullen in a chair next to a Frederick Douglass quote still amazes me

hearty lol at the idea that his embarrassing performance would be any more at home in an 'artistic production'

this quote from above made me lol at this dude's misfortune

Look, I'm a big dork. So of course I thought this trainwreck of a movie did a major disservice to the characters, concept, cast, and crew, but that wasn't why I was mad. Yes, it is unfathomable to me that Warner Bros could mess up a movie starring Will Smith, Margot Robbie, and The Joker so completely. But that just had me flummoxed.

I guess optimistic dudes like this keep the hollywood machine going, buuut.. take a look around bro.

He was very honest about the film this weekend; his disappointment in what he’s learned of the theatrical cut (he’s still not seen the film);

http://www.avclub.com/article/jared-leto-says-he-was-tricked-playing-joker-241294

imo the facebook summary of whatever he said trumps an article on what he said which probably is better than his actual words

good news everyone!

David Ayer is back in the business of DC comic villains.

The filmmaker, who directed Warner Bros.’ all-bad guy comic book movie Suicide Squad, is reuniting with that film’s star, Margot Robbie, for Gotham City Sirens, a feature project that will showcase the top female villains from the DC stable, The Hollywood Reporter has learned.

Ayer will direct and produce the project with Robbie reprising her role as Harley Quinn, the part-time girlfriend of the Joker who is currently DC's most popular female character. Robbie also is executive producing.

Sirens was a recent comic series from DC that focused on the popular villainesses from Batman’s rogue gallery. Among them were Quinn; Catwoman, Batman’s sometime love interest; and Poison Ivy, who uses plants and their toxins to get what she wants.

Geneva Robertson-Dworet, a top female writer in the action sphere who also has penned scripts for the Tomb Raider remake and Warners' own Sherlock Holmes 3, is writing the screenplay.

Curious how many years it'll take before they match the comics and portray Poison Ivy as "Harley's sometime love interest."

over/under at 3 imo