Kristen Wiig, Leslie Jones, Kate McKinnon, Melissa McCarthy = new Ghostbusters

It says here

I figured they would've tried to shoehorn a Sandra Bullock (i.e. a "comedic" actress) into the mix, so well done on that front.

i love kate mckinnon and i'm excited for leslie jones, but i have mixed feelings about melissa mccarthy and her "token fat person grossout humor" thing. i'd like to see her playing real roles, and this is not a real role.

Hollywood doesn't write real roles for fat women

I like Leslie Jones and am glad she's on SNL but I feel like there's a bit of that weird dynamic that Chappelle got freaked out about on his show where the performer is playing into stereotypes and think they're getting over in one way, but the audience is taking it in another, basically more racist way

anyway Feig's pretty reliable if this does in fact get made it'll probably at least be okay

i haven't seen enough of leslie's snl stuff to form an opinion, but i think the very act of having a black woman starring in a high-profile film in 2015 is fundamentally a good thing for everyone.

and the same goes for melissa re women of size.

Also, Leslie Jones is nearly 50, so that's a bonus coup.

anyway Feig's pretty reliable if this does in fact get made it'll probably at least be okay

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, January 27, 2015 9:22 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark

as far as I can tell he just makes shitty Melissa McCarthy vehicles now. No real reason to think this will be any different

http://ih2.redbubble.net/image.5203051.1108/fc,550x550,army.jpg

since it's a Feig movie we'll probably get a scene with a ghost having diarrhea, so there's....that

you guys seemed to have formed your opinions of Feig exclusively in the last couple years. which is sort of weird.

cos most of us have drawn the (correct) conclusion that he isn't making movies like Zombie High anymore?

Freaks & Geeks through Bridesmaids his work is p solid

otoh he made one bad movie w Melissa McCarthy and a second that's yet to come out yeah fuck that guy

the diarrhea comment was based on Bridesmaids!!!!

that was p obvious

My only issue with the remake is that it probably won't have that batshit true-believer paranormal mythology element that Aykroyd provided. All that weird gozer/interdimensional demon dog stuff=pure Aykroyd.

just looked up that upcoming Feig and the title & cast got me excited but then the poster dashed my hopes

another micro-emotional rollercoaster here on ilxor.com

best part about OG 'ghostbusters' was ramis and aykroyd just name-dropping these books and sources and moving on without joking about it, letting the audience take it all at face value, and how the ghost thing was simply a normal thing in this world. kinda like all the old testament shit in 'raiders of the lost ark'.

god i need to rewatch aykroyd's bits on the dvd's making-of doc, they were so much more oliver stone-y than i ever could have dreamed

the ghostbusters, whatevs

there's no replacing sigourney weaver/rick moranis/william atherton tho

they should continue the gender flip and have jon hamm and charlene yi possessed by demon dogs

god i need to rewatch aykroyd's bits on the dvd's making-of doc, they were so much more oliver stone-y than i ever could have dreamed

― da croupier, Wednesday, January 28, 2015 12:30 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

heh I recall an otherwise innocuous interview around the time Coneheads came out where he was going on about the threat that real aliens posed to humanity

omg he is the best

chris gethard as their cynical receptionist

it's a shame aykroyd won't get to make the deadly serious, astronomically-minded commentary track a movie like my stepmother is an alien deserves

As much as I still love the original Ghostbusters, FX comedies have generally been pretty bad

http://www.casafrancoli.it/site/148-thickbox_default/crystal-head-vodka.jpg

Ghostbusters was Aykroyd's last gasp, wasn't it? Was there anything he was in after 1984 that wasn't at least slightly cringeworthy to one degree or another?

(He was great in the Liberace thing, though.)

Gross Pointe Blank

...and I probably alone here in liking Tommy Boy.

He contributed his presence to the Academy Award winning film Driving Miss Daisy, thereby proving something about his post-Ghostbuster career that I can't quite put my finger on.

Grosse Point Blank OTM, at the time it felt like "omg Aykroyd is back?" but now you look at it and go "why did he choose to be so alive and funny in this role but only as a weird oasis in his career?"

like Eddie Murphy in Bowfinger

I have an undying love for The Great Outdoors which I can't really justify, and I really liked Aykroyd in that, but yeah...it's not bizarre hilarious Aykroyd.

McCarthy should play venkman though

Great Outdoors had a few great memorable scenes in it, particularly the end

never saw Blues Brothers 2000 is that any good?

I actually saw BB2000 in the theatre, and no, it's not good.

it's really really not good

https://hardtickettohomevideo.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/dan-aykroyd-nothing-but-trouble.png

man, owen wilson is really ageing badly

He contributed his presence to the Academy Award winning film Driving Miss Daisy, thereby proving something about his post-Ghostbuster career that I can't quite put my finger on.

― Aimless, Tuesday, January 27, 2015 10:28 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

He even got an Oscar nomination for this!

The 'dragnet' remake w/tom hanks is great imo

But not its music video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pT_QRKfv8H4

i love kate mckinnon and i'm excited for leslie jones, but i have mixed feelings about melissa mccarthy and her "token fat person grossout humor" thing. i'd like to see her playing real roles, and this is not a real role.

― no fucks given or implied (get bent), Tuesday, January 27, 2015 4:17 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

to be fair, we have no idea who her character in this movie is or if Ghostbusters inherently lends itself to this type of humor -- it's not like the original movie had an extended "yeah, eat that twinkie, fatass Aykroyd!" sequence

i'm a little suspicious sometimes about the "Melissa McCarthy is just doing self-deprecating fat jokes" thing. granted, i've only watched Bridesmaids and The Heat once or twice each, so maybe i'm forgetting something especially guilty of that accusation, but i think of her as doing a lot of wacky stuff that wouldn't completely lose its comedic quality or mean something totally different if she was a hundred pounds lighter. and yet if Kristen Wiig was a hundred pounds heavier, every odd physical comedy thing she does would be responded to with "oh, it's funny because she's fat, right?"

OTM. It's pretty gross to attribute McCarthy's comedy to her size above all else.

Aykroyd was good in Terence Davies' "House of Mirth," iirc.

Doesn't or didn't McCarthy star in some sitcom about an overweight couple? And I saw some preview for some POS last year that starred her as some fast food robber, with ample fat jokes in the trailer. She's not exactly proceeding as if her weight were not a factor, however understandable her choices may be. Certainly if Hollywood is going to offer Meryl Streep four witch roles over the course of a couple of years (which they reportedly did), then they're going to give McCarthy movies that hinge at least in part on her physicality.

BTW, I forget where it was, but I once read a really scary explanation for Hollywood's obsession with weight, particularly their female leads. It revealed (or underscored) that any time an actress shows up even a hair overweight (or I suppose underweight), then they have to redo a whole ton of wardrobe to fit, which of course means word of the weight change spreads instantly and exponentially, and usually follows you to your next gig as well. It's a fucking shame, really, but that's that silly business for you.

McCarthy said she wanted her bridesmaids character to look like guy fieri but fieg pulled her back -she clearly would like to go further down the "superficially grotesque person who just don't give a fuuuck" road and you can't say weight doesn't play a part in America's enthusiasm for her. And while I enjoy her at her best, its not unfair if someone wishes the highest profile actress of her size wasn't someone who'd thrill to roll around in dogshit, even if she's a pro when it comes to that.

i haven't watched Mike & Molly since the first season, so it may have gone way off the rails, but it started out as a pretty earnest love story about two people who meet at an Overeaters Anonymous meeting and the other characters may occasionally crack wise about their weight/eating but it seemed like a pretty human and sympathetic handling of the subject matter for a CBS laughtrack comedy.

"Mike and Molly" started with a billion fat jokes/second but recent episodes I've seen have capitalized on McCarthy's skyrocket into fame and have made the show much more about her doing extended comedy bits while the rest of the cast orbits around her.

Yeah I'm not saying gross out is all she does - assuming her st Vincent performance is pretty grounded - but it's dubious to claim her enthusiasm for gross out didn't play a part in her quick rise to fame

It's like ken jeong - I think he's a great comedian, but when someone grumbles about his relative success in terms of cultural representation, I'm not gonna deny he's shrill naked dude swearing in a foreign tongue to a large portion of America

yeah i dunno. it's a fine line. marginalized groups are often fighting to be both a) represented in popular culture and b) not be the butt of jokes. but when someone from a marginalized group becomes a comedy star, how are they supposed to do A/B at the same time? obviously there's some humor that is very clearly, undeniably stereotype-driven. but there's a lot more stuff that is more ambiguous, or can be argued as a satire/rebuttal to stereotypes.

like, there's a ton of stuff Will Ferrell does that is funny as is, but if an imaginary female or black or 400-pound Will Ferrell did it, the dialogue would completely shift to "it's funny because he/she's _____."

Rebel Wilson seems to be swooping in as America's fat sweetheart. She's as funny as McCarthy (from what I've seen), but she's both much younger and has a much younger fan base. Plus, she seems to be owning the fat thing, at least for now. The way they deal with her weight in "Pitch Perfect" allowed her to remain the butt of jokes, as needed, but not exclusively, or at least no more so than her co-stars, pretty and skinny or no.

Like this exchange:

Aubrey: What's your name?
Fat Amy: Fat Amy.
Aubrey: You call yourself Fat Amy?
Fat Amy: Yeah, so twig bitches like you don't do it behind my back.

Anyway, per the thread, as long as they don't have her panting and sweating in the back of the line, or shoving Twinkies in her face as she fights ghosts, it's likely weight won't be an issue. Everyone looks fat in a Ghostbusters jumpsuit. BTW, anyone see Zach G. lately?

http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/streams/2015/January/150126/2D274907703614-today-zach-galifianakis-150126-01.blocks_desktop_large.jpg

whoa

I would have agreed with you before super fun night tanked - compared to McCarthy Wilson has proven pretty one-note. When riffing in pitch perfect she just calls out who has red hair, etc

Xpost

sad thing is, she wasn't like that in Super Fun Night at all!

like, there's a ton of stuff Will Ferrell does that is funny as is, but if an imaginary female or black or 400-pound Will Ferrell did it, the dialogue would completely shift to "it's funny because he/she's _____."

the thing is, it wouldn't just be people considering representation making the complaint the humor is ____-based, there would also be people laughing harder because of _____. there were racist bugs bunny cartoons they redrew with elmer fudd in place of a lazy black child - it's not that the humor is necessarily drawn from race/size/etc, but who america enjoys seeing play the clown.

i really feel bad for comedians who're asked to think about this shit. playing the clown is fun, and god knows will ferrell will never have to sweat this stuff.

I'm just gonna thank the lord Will Ferrell is not in this new Ghostbusters.

Well, they haven't cast Slimer yet.

jack black's ears are burning...

I'm feeling Miley Cyrus for that.

So are they going to have a male Janine Melnitz?

if they haven't already cast Billy Eichner I'll be shocked

Is there going to be a Stay-Puft Marshmallow Woman?

gozer gonna be a naked dude all covered in bubbles.

Erin Gabler and Abby Bergman are the first two leads, and as the film begins, they are former colleagues. They co-wrote a book about the paranormal together, then went in different directions. Erin works for Columbia, and she's getting close to tenure, while Abby is more involved in the pursuit of ghosts, with a new partner named Jillian. In a world where there are thirty different "Ghost Hunters" style TV shows out there, the set-up makes sense, and it sets up a tension between serious academic motives and mainstream pop parapsychology.

If I was guessing, I'd bet Wiig is Erin, Jones is Abby, and McKinnon is Jillian. That's because I'm almost positive Patty, an MTA subway ticket employee who stumbles across the main ghost in the film, is going to be McCarthy. Seems like a perfect fit for her, and I can see how all four of them will fit together as a team.

There are some other major roles to cast, and based on conversations at Sony, it seems like they'e got some people in mind already. I'm curious to see if they land Peter Dinklage as the main bad guy, a creepy mechanical genius, but there's another role that, if they cast who they want, is going to be the most interesting part of the film. Like I said, these aren't direct one-to-one corollaries, but there is a character named Martin Heiss who is a professional supernatural debunker. When our new Ghostbusters post some videos of what they're doing online, Heiss becomes determined to prove that they are fakes, and he ends up at odds with the team for the whole film.

And who do they want to step into William Atherton's shoes?

Bill Murray, of course.

But isn't at least part of the reason they went with a reboot rather than a sequel that they couldn't get Murray onboard? Or did he just not want to play Venkman again?

they're obviously not getting Murray

Aykroyd would be better for that part anyway.

get Murray to do a voice-only ghost/monster character, if he can go into a vocal booth and be Garfield he can do that.

tbh i don't really care if anyone from the original has anything to do with this though? if it's good it'll be because the new people stepped up.

Oh, wait, Murray probably didn't want to be involved due to his falling out with Ramis. Problem solved, I guess?

i don't have anything to add to this other than that i saw Tammy and it is one of the worst movies i've ever seen

who are they going to get to reboot the theme song

Bruno Mars

Huey Lewis

Haim

Katy Perry

^ all of them

katy perry definitely seems like the one who'd start posting instagrams about how badly she wants to

Can't wait for the video where Don Draper goes "Ghostbusters!" right after Owen Wilson says "Ghostbusters!"

Ben Stiller already figuring out how to make the most of his three seconds

http://www.theraffon.net/~spookcentral/media/gb2_music_onourown_vid11.jpg

I was looking at the file title and forgetting what thread I was on and thinking "what does Patti LaBelle have to do with Ben Stiller"

Can't wait for the video where Don Draper goes "Ghostbusters!" right after Owen Wilson says "Ghostbusters!"

― pplains, Wednesday, January 28, 2015 11:52 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^ irl lol

http://screencrush.com/ghostbusters-music-video/

George Wendt:
"I was shooting with Jerry Schatzberg and Demi Moore, it was a Columbia picture, 'No Small Affair' at what used to be the Burbank studios -- it was Columbia and Warner Bros. And Ivan Reitman stopped over at the stage and asked if I could stop over at his office at lunch. So, at lunch I went over to his office and I sat there and they played the track. And I said 'Ghostbusters,' and that was pretty much it. The weird thing was I think we all got in trouble with the Screen Actors Guild after the fact, after it came out. You know, it sounded like a giggle, it sounded like fun, so I just did it. It took less than five minutes. But, I guess it was such a big hit as a music video, I guess SAG decided that would be a good project to maybe try to take a stand against to organize music videos. I can't blame SAG for trying to make a stand to organize music videos, which was a relatively new format back then. Not much came of it, we just got letters saying that's not cool, don't do that again and if you do that again you'll be on secret double probation. But, I get it. I'm a union man. I'm OK with it. It just never occurred to me that it would be a problem."

get Murray to do a voice-only ghost/monster character, if he can go into a vocal booth and be Garfield he can do that.

tbf, Murray only did Garfield because he thought it was a Coen Brothers movie:

Plus, I looked at the script, and it said, "So-and-so and Joel Coen." And I thought: Christ, well, I love those Coens! They're funny. So I sorta read a few pages of it and thought, Yeah, I'd like to do that. I had these agents at the time, and I said, "What do they give you to do one of these things?" And they said, "Oh, they give you $50,000." So I said, "Okay, well, I don't even leave the fuckin' driveway for that kind of money."

...

Finally, I went out to L.A. to record my lines. And usually when you're looping a movie, if it takes two days, that's a lot. I don't know if I should even tell this story, because it's kind of mean. [beat] What the hell? It's interesting. So I worked all day and kept going, "That's the line? Well, I can't say that." And you sit there and go, What can I say that will make this funny? And make it make sense? And I worked. I was exhausted, soaked with sweat, and the lines got worse and worse. And I said, "Okay, you better show me the whole rest of the movie, so we can see what we're dealing with." So I sat down and watched the whole thing, and I kept saying, "Who the hell cut this thing? Who did this? What the fuck was Coen thinking?" And then they explained it to me: It wasn't written by that Joel Coen.

omg

the script for A Tail Of Two Kitties was also credited to Joel Cohen. Can't believe bill fell for it a second time.

For future reference: who's cameo in the "ghostbusters" video do you enjoy most?

wait that link is fucked up - where's the entire interview?

A Cohen Bros. Garfield movie sounds incredible

http://www.gq.com/entertainment/celebrities/201008/bill-murray-dan-fierman-gq-interview?currentPage=1

And the pieces fall into place.

[shakes head sadly] At least they had what's-her-name. The mind reader, pretty girl, really curvy girl, body's one in a million? What's her name? Help me. You know who I mean.

Jennifer Love Hewitt?

Right! At least they had her in good-looking clothes. Best thing about the movie. But that's all ugly. That's inappropriate. That's just… [laughs] That's why, when they say, "Any regrets?" at the end of Zombieland, I say, "Well, maybe Garfield."

It's interesting that the same guy voices Bill Murray's character in the Real Ghostbusters cartoon AND Garfield's voice in the Garfield & Friends cartoon. He's a pro Bill Murray impersonator.

It's a tangled web

LAMARCHE: They asked me not to do Harold Ramis and I still did it. Because I didn’t know anything else to do with the character. So everything at that point that I’d done was derivative and I had absolutely no original thoughts or voices. So the only thing I could do was Ramis. So I did it, and for some reason it was the only voice that sounded like the original voice from the movie. They decided they could let that slide and Egon was such a specific character they really had to honor Harold Ramis’ unique take on that character. After 65 episodes, apparently legend has it Bill Murray finally came forward and said, “How come Harold’s guy sounds just like him and my guy sounds like Garfield?” And they said, “Well, Bill, that’s because the guy who does the voice of Garfield is doing your character.” Now, Bill’s not asking him to be fired or anything. But this one comment from Bill Murray, and with them having Ghostbusters 2 in the works, somebody in the machine said, “You know what? Bill’s unhappy. We got to get a guy who sounds like him.” And so Dave Coulier took over the part after 65 episodes and Lorenzo Music lost the part, and it was a very strange transition because I loved them both, and thought both they did a great job with the character. But the irony - the huge irony - of it is that now with the Garfield movie, Bill Murray has taken over the part originally voiced by Lorenzo Music.

What were Murray's movies before Ghostbusters? Meatballs, Caddyshack, and Stripes? He was a well-meaning weirdo slob, basically. As McCarthy has been in the couple of movies I've seen her in. So why couldn't she do Venkman? Murray had to stretch a bit in the role compared to his previous movies. I am way more worried about the issue latebloomer brought up, which is that part of what makes the original so awesome is Dan Aykroyd's affectionate and considered approach to the supernatural. Feig has zero chance of doing that, as far as I can tell.

the heat was kind of thin, but i think feig's work is relatively affectionate and considered. i don't think its beyond him to have the ghost hunters be earnest and to end the movie going "new york yay"

ivan reitman's previous movies were meatballs and stripes too

Someone writing at Jezebel as "A Hysterical Man" mockingly rounds up exactly the kinds of reactions you'd expect from very stupid people on this topic. http://jezebel.com/new-all-feminist-ghostbusters-is-a-punch-in-the-dick-to-1682292125

anyone who's really indignant should just finance their own reboot of this show:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghostbusters_(1986_TV_series)

Watched that a lot as a kid. Didn't realize it was a reboot itself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdPfUYgY6nw

bill was just joshing around with that garfield by the coen bros story, right

https://twitter.com/ghostsplaining

I can't even

No problems with the female cast, just with the total intellectual bankruptcy of the remake itself

Joel Cohen should team up with this guy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etan_Cohen

http://starsmedia.ign.com/stars/image/article/853/853701/senor-spielbergo-20080220055603144.jpg

I'm looking forward to it, even though Identity Thief is more depressing than any Dardenne movie.

No problems with the female cast, just with the total intellectual bankruptcy of the remake itself

What are you talking about, this is the perfect opportunity to get all the things right that the original got wrong.

What were Murray's movies before Ghostbusters? Meatballs, Caddyshack, and Stripes?

Plus Tootsie and Where The Buffalo Roam basically.

@NickPinkerton · Jan 28
Ghostbusters is a pile of shit, and the success of its blockbuster, big $$$ SFX comedy formula did inestimable damage to American movies.

Yeah, that unstoppable glut of big $$$ SFX comedies is still plaguing us to this day.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/schedule/?view=bydate&release=theatrical&date=1984-06-08&p=.htm

idiotic opinion

the summer before ghostbusters, people were going to see films like superman iii, staying alive and octopussy. today....*shakes head*

@NickPinkerton · Jan 28
Ghostbusters is a pile of shit, and the success of its blockbuster, big $$$ SFX comedy formula did inestimable damage to American movies.

― touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Thursday, January 29, 2015 7:35 PM (47 minutes ago)

no it isn't, and no it didn't

looking forward to wiig snapping gozer's neck after destroying new york

"inestimable". Can one estimate the damage wrought by Ghostbusters? No, one cannot.

yeah ck the repeat business from this board alone for Guardians of the Galaxy

and Octopussy is perhaps the best 007 film of the last 40 years

that's not saying much considering p much every 007 film is awful

What, exactly, is the nature of this inestimable damage that Ghostbusters has wrought? If anything, it had far less influence on American movies than I personally might have preferred.

I can't think of any movie that tried to copy the "formula" of Ghostbusters - ie an effects-driven ensemble comedy. unless we count the Avengers.

http://roadhouseinteractive.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/The-Watch-Movie.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f6/Monstersquadposter.jpg/220px-Monstersquadposter.jpg

though considering how those movies did, i'm not arguing that we're overcome with the shit

Great tagline

i'm sure pinkerton was just trying to bitch that ghostbusters sucks and is part of the sucky suckage that's been sucking in hollywood for years, and if anything gave the film too much credit

vampire looks like the future islands bro w/fangs

Some have said The Frighteners was heavily influenced by Ghostbusters but aside from visual effects for the ghosts, I don't see it much.

if you really wanted to throw something at ghostbusters' feet you could argue it was the fullest flower of the defanging of boomer subversive comedy - snl grads now protecting the system in a PG movie rather than attempting to destroy it in an R, with its true villain an EPA bureaucrat

there have been three Night at the Museums, you clowns

one franchise in 40 years doesn't seem like much

yeah you get another guess if you think im going to name the other dozen

I believe you just won the Olympics gold in mental gymnastics for blaming Night At The Museum on Ghostbusters, there, Morbs.

plus the failed ones

leaving the fx aside, the blandification of comedy

xp

I can't remember if you ever actually watched Ghostbusters or not

the week it came out.

It's okay to just say "I did not like this movie" without trying to reconstruct the history of American film and/or comedy around it.

i've always said it had help from John Landis, Nora Ephron and then Ap*t*w beat the dead horse

If you want to argue for the blandishment of popular comedy films, I can back that horse a little more easily.

wtf else would we be talkin' about

The initial tweet read as if Ghostbusters was meant to be the harbinger of all subsequent cinematic blight. You then argued that it was merely the harbinger of bland comedy. I'm just trying to get my bearings since I'm still living in a world where Ghostbusters wasn't really a harbinger of much more than Ghostbusters 2 and a short-lived breakfast cereal.

morbs == ghostbusterbuster

yeah idk I just don't see Ghostbusters as this big turning point or anything

it's all a rich tapestry etc

well your comedy standards were formed after.

actually I didn't think ghostbusters was very funny when I rewatched it last year. Maybe I'm damaged and bitter now.

lol, imagine some dink blowing a gasket about the "inestimable" damage caused by the absent-minded professor

Problem Child was singlehandedly responsible for the nationwide erosion of childhood innocence.

If anything Ghostbusters deserves credit for having a fantastic script, unlike any movie that Morbs alludes to as a strawman.

Murray always benefitted greatly from proximity to Ramis.

alternatively, Ramis benefited greatly from proximity to Murray

I've always wondered what age group it was aimed at. It's a PG but there's swearing and some sexual content stronger than that rating would normally have. I don't know if the cartoons and toys were already planned at this point.
But I suppose quite a lot of things got turned into a kids franchise that started out as teen and adult films. Like Aliens, Predator and even Freddy Krueger. The Ace Ventura sequel was probably softened because kids liked the first film more than any adult audience.

Dunno how old you are, but they got away with a lot more in the age before PG-13. Jaws, Airplane ... all sorts of PG stuff would get harsher ratings today. That said, on recent screening Ghostbusters stuff is pretty minor. Minimal profanity, minor innuendo, especially compared to, say, the violence or sex jokes of the aforementioned.

Admittedly, Jaws and Airplane were both '70s, so, maybe never mind, because LOL '70s. But I do know friends who have showed their kids, say, the original Vacation, thinking of the relative innocuousness of the Christmas one, only to regret it. But only slightly, because the first Vacation iirc is R but relatively mild, too.

That said, Poltergeist is PG. Compared to that, Ghostbusters should be G.

idk if ghost blowjobs are really G-rated

aykroyd gets a ghost blowjob in the movie! when i was a kid i was like, "is she stealing his pants? why is he crossing his eyes?"

lmao xp

It's pretty subtle and over fast, tbf, compared to Otto pilot.

i always felt sigourney in her zuul possession flashdance look was underrated compared to how obsessed people still are w/princess leia in her jabba prisoner gear.

When I was a kid I thought the ghost was trying to harm or humiliate him in some way.

Maybe PG was a lot softer in the late 80s and through the 90s.

It still seems really bizarre these big companies who often throw a panic at the chance that a kid might see something vaguely adult would turn so many of these things into kids franchises. But I suppose the moneymaking potential must have killed those concerns.
But still... "Hey kids? Wanna buy the claws of a burnt child molester from a movie you should never see for several years?"

i always felt sigourney in her zuul possession flashdance look was underrated compared to how obsessed people still are w/princess leia in her jabba prisoner gear.

― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little),

part of it is was seeing Ripley in an eighties gown licking her chops

sigourney weaver in ghostbusters is underrated in every way

I've always wondered what age group it was aimed at. It's a PG but there's swearing and some sexual content stronger than that rating would normally have. I don't know if the cartoons and toys were already planned at this point.

those dry ice line readings ("What about the Twinkie?") were def for the over-20 crowd.

What a lovely singing voice you have!

We've been going about this all wrong. This Mr. Stay Puft's okay! He's a sailor, he's in New York; we get this guy laid, we won't have any trouble!

yes have some!

They hate this.

re something discussed earlier in thread

dan ackroyd pops up in a ton of small films (some of them fairly arty or at least high-toned) and he /always/ seems miscast. poor guy doesn't seem to be content to be a pretty damn good comedian and wants to be a /serious/ actor, but just isn't cut out for it IMO.

yeah thing is akroyd isnt very good imo

i actually agree w/ that, but i was trying to be diplomatic :(

for a very popular actor he seems to lack a certain charisma and never seems to have really found a persona he could stick with

(very popular once upon a time, that is)

ya

I like him and all, but.... sorry Dan. at least you're a millionaire tho

Aykroyd showed his mercurial comedic talents best on SNL, period. Had Peter Sellers-caliber talent in that regard but paid in a way for doing dreck like Doctor Detroit ad nauseum in his prime.

That movie is the very epitome of dreck, too.

I didn't recognize him in the Liberace movie at all, but I thought, hm, wonder who that is, he's really good. Was shocked to find out it was Aykroyd.

But he was mediocre at best in Get On Up.

he was fine in Liberace. Before that you have to go to Grosse Pointe Blank maybe.

get on up was weird - his initial scenes were so stiff but thought he was great in the one where brown calls him a white devil. dunno if he was all over the place or the director was. meanwhile, soderbergh in getting atypically strong performances non-shockah.

it's funny to read about what a stud aykroyd was backstage in the snl-era when today's he's this wacky bowling pin ranting about his magical vodka between random bit roles every two years

well, he was in his mid-20s, skinny, and revved on speed.

yeah Aykroyd is like the godfather of all the SNL people who could be brilliant in sketch after sketch after sketch but ask them to play one character for a whole movie and something's suddenly missing.

that said i think he's the glue of Ghostbusters and has a lot of great lines and the way DA's geeky enthusiasm for the premise of the movie seeps into his character's geeky enthusiasm for what they're doing.

In the DVD commentary track, Ramis says Aykroyd came up with the pseudo-scientific jargon. I love how he's the most boyish and emotionally retarded and is the biggest smoker.

(btw one of the last times I remember a studio film so unapologetic about smoking)

"fantastic script"! I have to remember you like Disney World as well as Sturges.

I know mass adulation gives you the creeps, so I gotta remember that when I start a Trouble in Paradise awesome lines thread you'll start saying the movie presaged Porky's.

SNL not rly funny either but hey gl USA iirc

^understands The Goon Show

who doesn't?

i love sellers and the milligan stuff i've read but i've always found the goon shows i've tried to listen to fairly impenetrable

I've assumed goon show's charm was possibly in it's impenetrability

I know mass adulation gives you the creeps

riiight, my fave things from the 20th century are p much John Wayne, the Beatles and Willie Mays.

Sorry guys but I just wanted to say I fukkin love this thread

my fave things from the 20th century are p much John Wayne, the Beatles and Willie Mays.

Sad.

if he'd said Edith Wharton, Earth Wind & Fire, and Greg Louganis, we could've negotiated.

Willie mays is a pretty unfuckwithable choice, tbf

Not if you're a Cleveland Indians fan.

you're speaking of the only player to hit a home run while being intentionally walked!

first read that as 'wanked', and it would have been an achievement

gotta say I am cautiously optimistic about this - Feig is fairly reliable and the cast is A+

The car seems like a cop out, though. Timewise, the new hearse is about as old now as the original one was in the 1984 film. But it just seems like such gimmicky fan service.

Spy turned out to be really entertaining, so I'm def. looking forward to this now

I don't really care about the car tbh

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJhJVgKWUAEFNt7.jpg

Feel like they are dropping the ball on design here.

Nothin' a little CGI can't fix in post.

Honestly, the embroidered patches and nameplates on the unis from the original movie seemed a little far fetched. This is probably more like something your average small business Ghostbuster would wear.

They all have the same look of regret on their faces

Tbf original costumes were pretty crappy I guess it's kind of the point.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJk7RsLWUAAZg1K.jpg

If there's something weird
and it don't look good

this stuff looks fine, idgi what you guys want. do you really think any of that shit has any bearing on whether the movie is funny or not anyway?

http://i.imgur.com/R5sLrCj.jpg

Good Lord, what are they wearing, windbreakers with elbow pads? Thought this was going to be a science-fiction movie.

this stuff looks fine, idgi what you guys want. do you really think any of that shit has any bearing on whether the movie is funny or not anyway?

I find it hard to imagine them putting the same effort into the monster/ghost stuff this time. I doubt the audience for this wants something that will terrify a generation of children. Or maybe they really do.

Fred Armisen's going to be Louis Tully isn't he?

Or Rachel Dratch.

And Rodrigo Santoro as Dana Barrett.

I do dig how Kate looks like a cross between the animated Egon & Janeen

Man, these dying kids look so happy

http://i.imgur.com/dfbtWTz.png

http://i.imgur.com/RpY7fo8.jpg

won't the kids just be confused about who these people are since the movie isn't out yet

Apparently they were filming near the hospital and the kids saw them and asked about it, then put up a sign in the window that the crew saw.

Also, a bunch of fucking MRA man-children threw a profane tantrum on the hospital's Facebook page: http://jezebel.com/new-ghostbusters-cast-visits-childrens-hospital-attrac-1721600977

Apparently they were filming near the hospital and the kids saw them and asked about it, then put up a sign in the window that the crew saw.

Was going to say, popping up in costume for a PR move to a hospital full of sick kids months before the movie is remotely out would have been the most horrible thing ever.

Wait, does that subhead really say "All-female Melissa McCarthy, Kristen Wiig, Kate McKinnon and Leslie Jones showed up in costume to delight poorly youngsters." Is the "all-female" really necessary, given their names and faces in the friggin' picture? They should just rename the movie "All-Female Ghostbusters."

On a technical note, their uniforms really have reflective bands? I mean, that has to be hell to film, much less take a flash snaphot of in a dark hospital room full of dying children.

The kid in the background of the second shot is giving me some major guilty lols.

Or, rather, the blocking of the shot.

pplains otm, it seems like it would really make color correcting/light balancing a huge pain

Good for them yay. As for MRA's, maybe stop writing news articles focusing on idiotic FB comments.

Here you go:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3ugHP-yZXw

hum. since nowadays trailers show all the best bits/jokes, this is not a good sign...

but I suppose I'm not the target market (anymore) !

Looked like a pretty big plot reveal in there too (unless she's only a ghost for like two seconds.)

Feels like Date Night or Tower Heist.

eh. the intro made me think (and count) "damn, 30 years already ?"

It's feeling like a filmed SNL bit.

exactly. and the jokes and dialogues seem a bit slow/off.

They'll fix it in post, with CG.

Mainstream comedy filmmaking is not exactly going through a renaissance period right now but all of Feig's films up to this point have been reliable for a solid amount of laughs. Actually, now that I think about it, I think I paid theater money for Spy, The Heat, and Bridesmaids, and didn't feel ripped off by any of 'em.

no way should the green spud monster be introduced so casually with zero fanfare! maybe he shoulda been left out the trailer.

also.. *four* scientists?? *shakes head*

that does not look good.

and cool job making the black character a total caricature who is, again, the one non-scientist. i mean if yr gonna make a seemingly forward thinking, female driven event movie, maybe try to switch up some other stuff?

Totally valid point re: the character. But as far as casting goes, I like Leslie Jones a lot but credibly playing a scientist is probably not something she would be good at.

. . .

(cuz if there's anything I want from a Ghostbusters movie its credible science lol)

i think what made Ghostbusters a classic was the rapid-fire science banter from Aykroyd and Ramis playing off against Murray being Murray, plus it's just a GREAT new york city movie in so many ways. and there's those great supporting performances by Weaver and Potts and Moranis. and i really love that almost eerie car ride between Aykroyd and Hudson, talking about the dead rising, just before the shit goes down in act 3.

this looks like a CGI nightmare that could take place anywhere and it feels a bit generic but then again it's tough to tell from a trailer i guess. if the reviews are good i'm willing to give it a shot.

So, um, I guess there's a bad guy in this with a master plan? Looks like a cross between the first two.

One plus side about it being so reliant on special effects, it can't exactly be cobbled together from improvised outtakes. Like every other run on comedy these days.

if we're drawing character analogues between the originals and the new team, does this seem right to others based on the trailer:

McKinnon - Murray
Wiig - Ramis
McCarthy - Ackroyd
Hudson - Jones <--- this one was really difficult to match up

lol

um yes that's how it looks

Nah. Wiig is Murray, McKinnon is cartoon Ramis. Looks like Jones and McCarthy are sharing Aykroyd. But Jones is still Hudson.

this looks...ok. i want to see it and think it would be fun to watch, a good chance maybe funnier and better than Ghostbusters 2.

but still.... a library ghost? ugggggh. i am having retro fatigue.

also did they have glasses licking things a lot or is that my imagination? she licks her gun or something at the end.

I'm sure it will be fine. I just have to not think of it in association with the original at all.

the new music is far too close to dubstep for me to get into atm

but next to Ray Parker Jr. there is no way they couldn't lose

They should get Ray Parker to do the new one.

Would have been hilarious if they called it like Spook City, and it wasn't until Opening Day that people realize, hey, wait a minute, this is the Ghostbusters reboot.

Anyway, I hope this time around we finally find out how they become spider-man.

Got to say I (I) I (I) I (I) ain't gonna play Spook City . . .

does it look as mediocre as the original?

Sick burn bro, siiiiick

Got to say I (I) I (I) I (I) ain't gonna play Spook City . . .

well this is unfortunate on several levels

I immediately regret it.

top 2 related searches on Twitter when you type in Ghostbusters: Ghostbusters racist and Ghostbusters awful.

xpost Accidental racism or not, now I've got "Sun City" stuck in my head, thanks.

I don't think there's any way you can trailer a 2010's comedy blockbuster(read: non-Coen Bros) such it'll look like anything other than quick-hit/deep-derp-derp/yelly bits to assault the audience. The two comedy trailers attached to Hail Caesar did this exact same thing, one of which also starred McCarthy.

Then again, maybe this is one of those examples where the trailer isn't made for you, it's made for a far more clueless audience who don't pay attention and may or may not have heard that another Ghostbusters flick is coming.

Still, with all the shouty-bits and vomity green slapstick and gross-out gags, you could say the humor in this will be a little.....broad?

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2014-03/enhanced/webdr05/31/11/enhanced-32084-1396279470-1.jpg

I don't think we have any reason to believe that, besides absolutely everyone involved.

Odds of a ghost dude performing oral sex on one of them?

I wasn't going to say anything, but I thought I saw a money shot joke in there.

I don't get why they recreated the library ghost scene. Also, why end the trailer with a no-budget Exorcist joke after a bunch of CGI mayhem?

i don't find leslie jones funny in the slightest :(

Nothing in that trailer was actually funny

J.J. Abrams' Ghostbusters would be funnier.

An episode of that rip-off cartoon would probably be funnier
http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BNjI0NTk2NTMwMF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMjEyMDk0MQ@@._V1_UY268_CR5,0,182,268_AL_.jpg

this looks sad

Looks awful.

Not ghostbusters.

Looks good. I like CGI.

another issue for me is that I don't know Jones, don't like McKinnon, find McCarthy ok but a bit annoying, and only really like Wiig.
Whereas I loved Murray and Ramis, liked Ackroyd and most of the other actors (plus when I think Eddie Murphy was supposed to play the 4th ghostbuster in the first one...).
anyway, it's obviously not fair to compare my perception of one of my favourite childhood movies with a reboot in my 40s...
so bad trailer but, as said upthread, if the reviews are good I'll definitely give it a try !

the exorcist parody at the end is so played out, like something you would expect to see in a straight to video Ghostbusters ripoff. made in the 80s.

and i liked "Repossessed"!

but still.... 2 had Ray-and-Egon-with-a-baby humor and that "He's Vigo!" guy. can't be hard to top that.

much better!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IDXpOX0Cp0

harf harf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6seIQ8rLp8

It's been a running joke between me and the kids that whenever anyone says something that rhymes with or sounds like "ghosts," one of us blurts out "I ain't afraid of no ..." So, like, "I ain't afraid of no goats!" Or "I ain't afraid of no boats!" Etc. It's very funny, but mostly to us three.

I ain't afraid of slow roasts ☕️😆

I ain't afraid of rolled oats

On the way to a friend's:

"Are you afraid of hats?"
"No."
"Are you afraid of scarves?"
"No."
"Are you afraid of boots?"
"No."
"Are you afraid of coats?"
"I ain't afraid of no coats!!!!"

The other day was at Trader Joe's, ending at the register with "I ain't afraid of no totes!"

Keep us posted when you come across a castle with a seemingly impregnable water barrier.

Oh, we have that one at the ready!

I ain't afraid of Ti Coates.

https://49.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2j685TG6c1qgs0sio1_500.gif

afraid of no broats

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8Lt02D6xno

now you got your audience-not-catching-someone-crowdsurfing-at-a-concert joke to go along w your exorcist joke.

Haven't watched it yet - does a needle scratch across a record into dead silence when the bodysurfer hits the floor?

Christ

I was not too far off!

yeah it feels like they took half of their jokes for this movie from an unmade Waynes World 3

Ugh, really does seem like a fake trailer for SNL, and equally not funny.

SPY looked just as bad from the trailers so I'll still give this the benefit of the doubt

It's tru the trailers for the awful movie SPY did make it look awful

Yeah, I didn't see that based almost exclusively on ... McCarthy on a scooter? Heard it was good, but can't believe it's good.

Haven't watched the new trailer yet, but is this the first of her movies that didn't utilize 'lol Melissa McCarthy is fat' as a major selling point?

Spy is really, really funny, and its trailer sold me on it. This looks like something I would run screaming to get away from.

the humor feels all wrong, just like that whole awkward pauses and interruptions and the other parts that are way too broad. i'm guessing the original's ability to go all-in on the geeky science and faux-occult history will be missing too.

The humor in the first movie was almost all deadpan, bar the occasional slapstick. But even that was kind of deadpan.

first movie really wasn't very funny when I rewatched it last year.

i mean it was pretty good but it was no laugh fest

Yeah its hardly a gag-fest

"i feel so funky"

never been a huge ghostbusters fan so i dug up the 1984 trailer intending to prove that trailers are always bad and now i want to watch ghostbusters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vntAEVjPBzQ

ghosts.

ghostbusters isn't a laugh-a-minute film, that's true. i think it's just occasionally really hilarious but mostly just likably entertaining and fun, with great cast chemistry. and like i said upthread, a good New York movie.

hmm.... i saw 1 in a theater last year and it was as good as always. it's not "a comedy" but it makes me laugh more than most "comedies". my favorite comedic scene is played completely deadpan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3v_ogRaTf4

Serious question: why would someone say "print is dead" in 1984?

TV

cos he's an early internet adopter? they were working in the university system

he's a nerd, they like computers xp yeah

Spy was abysmal. But I guess if you watch a lot of Melissa McCarthy movies it might seem somehow acceptable

Spy was a better spy movie than Spectre.

^seriously

Spy was mega lame. My mom liked it though.

Spy was a better spy movie than Spectre.

correct

High bar.

old ghostbusters trailer & clip are awesome, funny as hell. clever writing delivered deadpan straight, strong & likable characters, murray's absurd (and enirely winning) self-confidence, and full commitment to the geeky-goofy science fantasy concept. great movie. really makes he reboot trailer look sad.

Not helping.

http://images6.fanpop.com/image/photos/39500000/That-stuff-goes-everywhere-by-the-way-In-every-crack-ghostbusters-2016-39515229-1024-576.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/6jdwXbV.jpg

Just saw a TV promo for this during game one of the NBA Finals, which featured a Kobe Bryant cameo. He was in some sort of ghostbusting situation declaring, "And they told me retirement would be easy!"

I could pontificate paragraphs about this tiny, seconds long tidbit and why it's helped this movie's inherent crapulence become even more apparent, but I shall abstain.

Those posters they obviously desperately want to be memes are so unfunny

Marketing can kill a movie, esp a comedy

I could pontificate paragraphs about this tiny, seconds long tidbit and why it's helped this movie's inherent crapulence become even more apparent, but I shall abstain.

― Austin, Thursday, June 2, 2016 9:34 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Some exec probably saw all of the celebrity cameos in the original movie and thought it would be a great idea to replicate that except for the fact that he hasn't actually seen the original movie and the clip that he watched online was actually the 'Ghostbusters' music video. Oh, and this will also be a musical starring Ray Parker Jr.

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/7393463/ghostbusters-soundtrack-fall-out-boy-with-missy-elliott-elle-king-5-seconds-of-summer

http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/no-i-dont-dislike-the-new-ghostbusters-movie-because-i-hate-women-its-because-i-strongly-believe-in-hollywood-finance-reform

I guess Sony extended the embargo until the night before, which is not usually a good sign. Some guy just broke the embargo with his excitable youtube review, and while it sounds like a lot of stuff in the review could have been gleaned from the trailer, there are some other specifics as well, and I guess the guy is a legit (fwiw) internet review guy? Anyway, he hated it.

oh yeah this is going to fucking bite. which is a shame because so many little mra fucks are going to be so fucking delighted.

Best altogether not to precipitate that discussion tbh

Let it be a fucking cuntishly shit execution of a fucking cuntishly shit idea and ignore the rest.

as long as they don't change the name of guy gibson's dog, i'm down

i'd heard advance word was very positive? oh well

Has there been any advance word at all? Certainly no other reviews out there that I saw. The only advance word I'd seen has been from people directly involved.

reviewer named "Tristan Fiig" gave it a glowing 5 stars

I think you reverse the gender balance of this film and still the most entertaining thing about it will be the enraged dorks whining on the internet about the insult to their childhood memories

It is such a weird movie to "reboot" for all but the most cynical of reasons. The first one was successful, financially and creatively, with an iconic combination of unique personalities, so it's already several degrees of pointless down, less an insult to childhood memories than a flat-out insult. Which is par for Hollywood (/Morbs). But the biggest complaint from the youtube guy that ranted about it was that its characters, rather than played straight like the original, are broad and cartoonish, which brought to mind ... the cartoon. He also said the FX were often distractingly inept, and he was disappointed that Leslie Jones was in constant "aw, hell, no!" stereotype mode, especially for a movie with such a presumptively "progressive" take.

Huh, searching for nu-Ghostbusters info on the internet is pretty fun. It looks like someone posted a spoiler-full review of an early screening about a month ago on reddit, and while some debated its veracity, the fact that it's since been deleted makes it seem legit. Others have summarized his summary, like here (lots of spoilers): http://movieweb.com/ghostbusters-2016-review-spoilers-story-cameos/

Haha, love this:

Inside Edition recently asked Parker Jr. how he felt about the cover of his previous work. “Interesting,” he responded. “I’m not going to say it’s good or bad. I’m just gonna say well maybe I’m an old guy now and I like it the old way.”

Tell me about it, Ray, tell me about.

Here we go:
http://www.villagevoice.com/film/busted-flat-all-too-normal-activity-dominates-the-ghostbusters-remake-8841463

It is only during Ghostbusters' loopy, unpredictable, and detail-dense final credits — the best such sequence I've seen in a film this year — that Feig's rethink seems liberated from the burden of the past.

Well, I think the voice review was already taken down.

Text of review is here https://m.reddit.com/r/ghostbusters/comments/4s5mly/ghostbusters_2016_review_from_the_village_voice/

this really doesn't sound any worse than the original ghostbusters, which I rewatched last year and found not very funny at all.

thats a hot take (and also wrong)

they took that vv review down, is there any way to see a cache of it?

rewatched last year and found not very funny at all

The original ghostbusters reached for and attained drollery.

After Trading Places and Stripes, I thought it was a letdown when my summer camp went on a field trip to see it.

Yeah the reactionary partisan bullshit surrounding this remake has reached the "eh the original movie wasn't so great anyway" stage, which is lame

Just to be clear I'm referring to the unfolding of the online "debate" about this not people itt

kinda seems like the "debate" is now one of the main marketing tools. like if the movie ends up being crap at least you can see it to fight the good fight or whatever the watching-a-movie analog is to clicking "like" on a fb post.

i'm sure there are MRA's going nuts over this, just as they go nuts over everything ever. that's why they are what they are.

why would you go see a movie to spite someone on a message board you never go to anyways

Yeah it's like when everyone was reporting on the MRA knuckleheads who were outraged about Mad Max last year. Why give these schmucks attention?

marketing the product by exploiting people that hate the product, it's brilliant.

Lets be clear

Mad Max was an incredible original movie that ppl tried to make a bandwagon from- on either side

This movie was a kinda pointedly progressive remake of a classic original that mightve worked if the execution -as best can be gleaned from all trailer and promo material available since- was about the fifth most important thing concerning the ppl involved

A Trading Places reboot with Kate McKinnon as a Citizen Ruth-type meth addict and Tina Fey might've been a better choice.

The VV review is still there, for me at least.

problems of the original ghostbusters:
- the "and then" cut to the first sigourney weaver scene
- introducing winston in a "hey i guess we need a black guy wink wink" way
- ghost blow job

https://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2016/jul/10/i-love-ghostbusters-and-i-love-paul-feig-so-why-do-i-only-like-his-female-remake?CMP=twt_gu

i thought mad max was about as political as "snowpiercer". i also thought it was a much better film.

Xpost That's a pretty poorly written review, someone should remake it.

Scanning the reviews released so far, a lot of them seem about the same, except at the end some give the movie four stars, some three, some two. Few seem terribly enthusiastic. So basically along the lines of any big-budget Hollywood Blockbuster.

https://johnnyalucard.com/2016/07/10/film-review-ghostbusters-2016/

"A rare female funnybones comedian"

I don't get why people are so sold on Feig. He hires funny people, but as a director he's nothing special. Let Wiig direct the next one.

His movies are all kind of a mess, overlong etc. , frequently saved by McCarthy scene-stealing.

Well dhargis really liked it, thats something

frequently saved by McCarthy scene-stealing.

She's really great in Spy. I wish the movie was as good as her performance.

I couldn't believe how non-terrible Spy was

A movie's marketing can kill it

Spy was the best Feig film so far, walking the line between functional spy plot and comedy well, and with plenty of great performances, not just McCarthy. (It's the third-best Statham comedy.)

What's the 2nd?

Yeah, the combination of Statham and McCarthy really pushed Spy from good to great.

Fuckin reddit

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnCqTiZWcAAeBzn.jpg

Too hot to handle
Too cold to hold

I miss Roger Ebert

He's growing mold

LOL has anyone in that Reddit comment actually SEEN THE FILM.

Redditers are usually under house arrest

Give them a little credit this time and check out the responses that thread eventually got.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ghostbusters/comments/4s829p/ok_so_obviously_the_reviews_arent_as_bad_as_we/

Hahah ok, thats awesome.

What's the 2nd?

Crank.

(Both Cranks are comedies, but the first is setting out to be a very funny action film, while High Voltage is aiming for a ZAZ-level density of jokes, situations and visual gags.)

Yeah, I'd never seen the first Crank, so when I caught the second on tv one night I was all "SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS?!!"

this remake pisses all over the original which i have never watched and don't care about

This new reboot is going to suck because my mommy didn't buy me those jeans I wanted that one time and because that girl I couldn't work up the nerve to talk to never went out with me.

"Catch a Pikachu and chill out you fuckwat."

"We" need you to drink bleach ;)

wonder what the new euphemism will be instead of "cross the streams"

"Don't sync the cycles!"

Ghostbrides: Who You Gonna Wed?

i want to see this as mccarthy is dependable for LOLz more than most, and spy was terrific.

not that hes a vital character in this, but chris hemsworth doesnt look like someone great at comedy (in the trailer he looked too self conscious)

Big budget + NYC + comedy seems more trouble than it's worth: see Date Night, Tower Heist...

Was Date Night comparably budgeted to the new Ghostbusters? And if you go to a Brett Ratner film expecting successful comedy you get what you deserve imo

im so tempted to see it tonight after this -

http://londonist.com/2016/07/ghostbusters-invade-waterloo-station?utm_content=bufferde887&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

does the new film actually reference Stay Puft or is this an enjoyable promotional callback?

omg @ him popping out of the floor

wait crank is a comedy??

gbx been watching crank as a high-action sad drama bout a dyin' guy

prob just a promo thing

but what a great promo thing!

if they could get slimers to fly through the underground subways that would make my week

I think Stay Puft appears as a possessed balloon float.

if they could get slimers to fly through the underground subways that would make my week

http://i.imgur.com/ufkDEJI.jpg

Gotta catch 'em all!

Was Date Night comparably budgeted to the new Ghostbusters? And if you go to a Brett Ratner film expecting successful comedy you get what you deserve imo

― Shakey δσς (sic), Monday, July 11, 2016 8:55 AM (41 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Date Night was made by different but equally garbage director.

Ratner did Tower Heist.

pretty I watched the original as a fantasy horror film, and was satisfied

?utm_content=bufferde887&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

wait crank is a comedy??

Crank is 100% comedy and all the more awesome for it

Crank is kinda just like a video game....a hilarious awesome video game

gbx been watching crank as a high-action sad drama bout a dyin' guy

― mh, Monday, July 11, 2016 9:30 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i've never seen it!

Crank might be my favorite Statham flick

to get back on-topic, I would watch a Crank/Ghostbusters reboot crossover so many times

Crankbusters?

Mixed critical reception suggests it may be just as mediocre as the original.

http://www.metacritic.com/movie/ghostbusters-2016/critic-reviews

thats ok with me

Ratner did Tower Heist 9/11

I will guiltily admit to enjoying (although to a much lesser degree) some other Neveldine bros flicks, like the second Ghost Rider (not a comedy, but played to Nicolas Cage's over-the-top nature so it's sporadically ridiculous and funny) and Gamer, which is not a comedy, but decent enough for the concept

Crank/Crank 2 had some greatly diminishing returns between the two but the first one is worth it

Yeah, I don't get people who like Crank 2 better than the original at all.

I only saw the second one but it was nuts

I was really hoping ghost rider 2 would be as unhinged as crank =\

Almost died over the weekend when one of the Ghostbusters anti-new film squad were trying to convince someone that the original Ghostbusters was not a comedy, but a "science fiction/horror film with some comedic elements"

xp the closest it gets is crazy Nic Cage trying to keep the Ghost Rider from coming out, complete with ridiculous voices, followed by the giant digging machine turning into his ride

xp wait what

AL manager Ned Yost said Monday that his batting order has Astros second baseman Jose Altuve leading off, followed by Angels center fielder Mike Trout, Orioles third baseman Manny Machado, Red Sox designated hitter David Ortiz, Red Sox shortstop Xander Bogaerts, Royals first baseman Eric Hosmer, Red Sox right fielder Mookie Betts, Royals catcher Salvador Perez and Red Sox left fielder Jackie Bradley Jr.

NL manager Terry Collins has Cubs second baseman Ben Zobrist leading off, followed by Nationals right fielder Bryce Harper, Cubs third baseman Kris Bryant, the Padres' Wil Myers at designated hitter, Giants catcher Buster Posey, Cubs first baseman Anthony Rizzo, Marlins center fielder Marcell Ozuna, Rockies left fielder Carlos Gonzalez and Cubs shortstop Addison Russell.

This is dumb:

The AL will be the home team for the game at Petco Park because this is the second year of at least four straight in which a National League ballpark will host the All-Stars.

TOUGH SHIT

uh oopsy daisy, im sorry

i ain't afraid of ned yost

- terry collins

B+

http://i.makeagif.com/media/7-23-2015/aTt2Fm.gif

I heard a few times that the Crank film's were particularly sexist. What did they do to get that reputation?

fucking is one of the ways he can keep his heart rate up

I would guess the sources of that opinion might be a good place to start asking that question xp

spy was terrific.
― StillAdvance, Monday, July 11, 2016 8:59 AM

was it

no

The person I remember saying it was Mark Kermode. He mentioned an exploding breast implant as particularly objectionable but nothing else.

lol why did I think there were two Neveldines, it's Neveldine/Taylor

I must just assume any male duo who creates films (Nolans, Russos, Hugheses) are brothers

The Hudlins are brothers AND brothers

no possible confusion points, a+ work

pro tip: fuck Mark Kermode

ok will do

I'll ask him after I fuck him.

Went to see if it was PG or PG-13 on the imdb page, then I saw this...

Ghostbusters makes its dreaded and dubious return, unnecessarily rebooted with a cast of new characters. Thirty years after the beloved original took the world by storm, director Paul Feig brings his take to the supernatural comedy, joined by Melissa McCarthy, Kristen Wiig, Kate McKinnon, Leslie Jones, and Chris Hemsworth. This summer, they're here to save the world! Written by Sony Pictures Entertainment

lol what

they wanted to see oldbusters

I forgot to bold the last part: Written by Sony Pictures Entertainment

so are they leaning into the hate, or is this a clever person who tricked me into thinking this isn't a "fan"-written synopsis?

the motivations of imdb commenters are inscrutable and petty

that's the plot summary on imdb.

lots of internet warriors think slacktivist pans/bad ratings is their best way to fight the world

anyone can update most imdb info items

has anyone seen this is it good should I see it

has anyone seen this is it good should I see it

I'm a little surprised to see the preemptive haters criticizing the seeming absence of horror elements in the reboot. I'd've assumed that the guaranteed presence of at least four sets of ovaries onscreen would be scary enough to sate them.

oops asked twice. still tho someone here must have bit the bullet by now - I'm a bit tipsy, should I go see this in a bit?

it isn't out until friday, right?

Opened in the UK on Monday

Going on Friday - a friends who is the biggest Ghostbusters fan in the world saw it already: "It's a very different kind of movie, but it really works, and crucially it's very, very funny."

haha I saw this

how was it, buddy?

Not good by any sensible measure but some nerds are going to be so angry

I was very surprised by how unfunny it was

I'm a little surprised to see the preemptive haters criticizing the seeming absence of horror elements in the reboot.

Fig went out of his way early on to stress how much scarier this one was than the first one. Exact 2015 quote:

"I want ours to be scarier than the original, to be quite honest. Katie Dipold and I are so focused on wanting to do scary comedy. We don't want to hold back."

Ha, Fig.

I remain perplexed that people are getting their goolies in a twist angrily over a film that, lets be straight up here, was a pretty ordinary kids movie from the 80s.

It makes me want to remake Ferris Beullers day off with a woman and watch them all implode.

It makes me want to remake Ferris Beullers day off with a woman and watch them all implode.

I'd be interested in how they'd put together a pitch for it, anyway, since that's a movie I actually care about. (OG Ghostbusters? eh.)

Yeah it might not have been the best example, cos it'd work well!

FWIW, reading about all the lack of laughs and dead space and whatnot, I wonder if the movie was trying to go for some of the deadpan comedy of the original, but the cast (best known for its, er, broad comedy) was maybe wrong for that approach?

The Edelstein review makes a case (by way of Hoberman) for the original's revolutionary (for better and for worse) effect.

http://www.vulture.com/2016/07/review-ghostbusters-never-finds-its-own-way.html

He seems to really not like it though:

How did this script by Katie Dippold and the director, Paul Feig, even get green-lit? They wrote a lame, obvious role for Neil Casey as the whacked-out villain, who dreams of flooding New York with ghosts and says, “Soon you will bow down before me!” McCarthy gets almost nothing distinctively McCarthy-ish, and I felt bad for Wiig, who, after her sliming, has to say, “That slime went everywhere — in every crack.” Yuck. There’s a good line hinging on the word “pester” and the effects are particularly good in a scene in which a giant, nasty demon materializes onstage at a hard-core concert and actually improves the number — but this is the sort of movie where Ozzy Osbourne gets hauled in to the deliver the stupid punch line.

I remain perplexed that people are getting their goolies in a twist angrily over a film that, lets be straight up here, was a pretty ordinary kids movie from the 80s.

It makes me want to remake Ferris Beullers day off with a woman and watch them all implode.

Yeah otm this wasn't a good film or idea but it's just incredibly strange to see ppl getting precious about an Ivan reitman comedy like its holy writ never to be sullied

The only thing that made me feel kinda bad was the cameos by the original stars, the osbourne cameo is awful but it isn't really possible to still be embarrassed for osbourne in 2016

I don't see this as strange at all. It's stranger to re-imagine the film as they have so...unimaginatively.

a film that, lets be straight up here, was a pretty ordinary kids movie from the 80s

this is vastly underrating the original. nothing ordinary about the original Ghostubsters. first off it's wall to wall quotable lines.

for a "kids movie" there are no kids in it and lots of deadpan humor, jokes about university politics, government regulation, Luis Tully's very New York clientele, etc.

i think the original was closer to the slobs vs snobs comedies of it's starring actors.

worst thing about this reboot has been people insisting the original was just some random stupid movie why do people care gah

Seriously. I've never met anyone irl with that opinion.

Yeah, it's clearly one of the most quotable movies of all time. And in reassessing the original, the Red Letter Media dudes made the point that given the original holds up as well as it does - which is to say, as well as any classic movie - it's especially pointless to remake as anything more than a cash grab.

The RLM guys also pointed out a couple of things that I literally never thought about, perhaps because the original is indeed so successful. One, that very few of the ghosts even look like they were ever humans, and two, the ultimate bad guy isn't even a ghost. It's a movie about sealing a portal to another dimension to protect the world from an invading demigod. They joked that it should have been called Paranormalbusters.

Anyway, it's just another way the world they created was so solid, that it doesn't even have to make sense to be as solid as it is. Like, the gag where they turn on Ackroyd's proton pack in the elevator and then back away when it starts humming? Obviously (again per RLM) backing away from it in the elevator would have no effect, but the timing and personality of the scene is so hilarious that I (and clearly most) never even thought about it. The joke transcends.

I remain perplexed that people are getting their goolies in a twist angrily over a film that, lets be straight up here, was a pretty ordinary kids movie from the 80s.

It makes me want to remake Ferris Beullers day off with a woman and watch them all implode.

― Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, July 12, 2016 7:47 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I've stated elsewhere my belief that more responsible writers of popular entertainment should have the secondary aim of making as many MRA turds as possible stamp their widdle baby feet over material that doesn't cater to their sad worldview.

worst thing about this reboot has been people insisting the original was just some random stupid movie why do people care gah

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, July 13, 2016 11:02 AM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

OTM

this is vastly underrating the original. nothing ordinary about the original Ghostubsters.

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 11:59

I agree with this. In retrospect the originals are very odd films. I was hugely into the cartoons, toys and films when I was young but I don't feel completely attached to them and it doesn't bother me too much if the remake is weak. Just sad that they couldn't have done more with it because the monsters and scary stuff was the main attraction for me back then.

There should be a comedy film about MRA guys, that could be brilliant. There was a bit of that in Magnolia but I don't recall it in much else.

The original is the first time I can recall seeing NYC on the big screen and it was deeply powerful in that respect.

I'd go so far as to call it one of the most New York films of all time, if not the most NYC. Even ends with Ernie Hudson proclaiming "I love this town!"

Yeah, it's clearly one of the most quotable movies of all time.

To people who were 9 when they first saw it, and probably don't know all of Preston Sturges.

It was a blockbuster hit and made the typical studio comedy worse, forever.

Are those even really people, though?

one of the most New York films of all time, if not the most NYC

I like GB just fine but I mean come on. If someone asked me "Name the most NYC film of all time" I'd probably say Dog Day Afternoon.

I would say LA Confidential and then bathe in the anguished wails

Ha. Dog Day is pretty New York, but it's still mostly just a bunch of people in a bank. It could ultimately take place anywhere.

Love Sturges but I can't think of many quotes, just scenes/sequences. But then, I assume any movie one sees at age 9 becomes almost by default the most quotable film of all time. Can quote Wilder, though, or "Dr. Strangelove." Or Godfather, Jaws, Raiders. Airplane.

I think Ghostbusters is so droll/deadpan/sarcastic that it's a real outlier, compared to the average broad studio comedy, especially now, which if anything I think still owes a ton to the Farrelly bros brand of brightly lit gross-out.

But it didn't take place anywhere! It's a true story!

https://twitter.com/zachheltzel/status/752330262625652736

worst thing about this reboot has been people insisting the original was just some random stupid movie why do people care gah

lol relax

seems weird to consider Ghostbusters a "kids" movie what with the dick jokes and ghost bjs

it went over our heads

It isn't that the original film isn't extra special, the point is that by its very nature you'd hope it'd attract fans who would be temperamentally antithetical to this kind of pious reverence. "Get over it, it's fuckin ghostbusters" is what ppl who love ghostbusters should be saying.

Also of course it's a fucking kids film lmao

films can appeal to kids without being specifically targeted at them y'know

that seems more accurate

"adult" movies getting kid-friendly cartoon spin offs and merchandising seems to have been quite a common thing when I was a child (so late 80s, early 90s) - I remember there was a Beetlejuice cartoon as well, Robocop toys etc

I remember not being allowed to watch the Ghostbusters movie as a kid despite being a fan of the cartoon because my parents thought it was too rude, same with the 15 rated Tim Burton Batman movies

It's the same year as pot-smoking in Karate Kid and the death of Santa Claus story (and the flasher!) in Gremlins. Different times.

I'll never forget that boob shot in the PG-rated The Invisible Kid...

oh, you think Ghostbusters is quotable? how precious! now, 1947's "The Sin of Harold Diddlebock", that's a true corker, maybe you'll understand when you stop watching stupid movies for stupid children

there was a 90s cartoon version of the Rick Moranis Little Shop Of Horrors movie, I've never seen the film but imdb's parents guide says it contains the following:

Audrey wears a low-cut dress.

Audrey II is slightly phallic.

Audrey II tries to bite a woman's rear end, wiggling his tongue as he does.

Some S&M innuendos between Orin and Audrey with two mentions of handcuffs.

Orin angrily calls Audrey a slut.

Though the masochist character is played for comic relief, his banter with Orin is somewhat sexual.

Audrey II mentions "nookie" in a song.

Audrey briefly talks about her sordid past and a night spot where she wore lewd outfits for money.

Audrey II lifts Audrey's skirt up with his vines.

Seymour gets his pants pulled down and his boxers are revealed.

Frightening/Intense Scenes

Younger viewers may not understand the Greek chorus device, and may be disturbed as to why the three doo-wop girls are so seemingly indifferent to the bloodshed.

Audrey II grows from a tiny cute little plant into a trash-talking, life-threatening "mean green mother" with sharp pointed teeth who fills the entire flower shop. The plant's appetite for human blood and the subsequent killings can be disturbing.

Rick Moranis is probably needed in Tombot's thread.

sheesh otm

the most New York movie of that era is actually QUICK CHANGE

(the most suburban New York movie of that era is CLERKS)

sheesh otm

don't be a hater

For real I have no problem with these kinds of kids films and only love ghostbusters a little less than raiders jurassic future &c the thing that can tire you out is the grotesque prominence given to this shit in the dystopian present where simon peg runs the show

(Which is how we end up with stuff like this over-reverent remake)

also v otm

worst thing about this reboot has been people insisting the original was just some random stupid movie why do people care gah

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, July 13, 2016 4:02 AM (5 hours ago)

otm! it's one of the funniest and most endearing pop comedies of its era, a film with tons of personality and, as others have noted, a vivid love letter to a now-vanished city. kneecapping it in order to elevate the remake is bullshit. even so, manboy misogyny is the only explanation for the latter's reception.

as to the "movies for stupid children" thing, it was an era of blurred lines in that regard. raiders of the lost ark as a family adventure film, gremlins recommended by critics to adult audiences. the arrival of the modern blockbuster era hopelessly blurred any line that might separate children's fare from supposedly "respectable" adult cinema.

pop culture always includes - at least partially - creative people looking back to the things they loved when they were kids and remaking / reshaping / remixing them a couple of decades down the line, surely? grease/american graffiti in the 70s, dirty dancing/back to the future in the 80s etc - not sure the dominance of simon pegg is any worse than anyone else since the baby boomers started looking backwards for their inspirations

Gremlins and Ghostbusters released the same week,iirc.

xp - there's a difference between looking to the past for inspiration and lazily populating the present with recycled, degraded "properties"

agreed, but it's a bit more complicated than that, i think - leaving aside for a moment the studios' belief that recognisable properties are the shortcut to box-office gold, the creative people who are looking backwards for inspiration now have been bathed 24/7 in pop culture in a way that grafitti-era lucas for example wasn't, and much of that pop culture they grew up with was created by people who were themselves looking backwards, so maybe remakes are in some way culturally inevitable? like the next stage of evolution in a pop culture which has been celebrating its own history for generations now

i guess what i'm trying to say is that it's like poetry, it rhymes

lol

The complaint about simon peg isn't so much a #retromania thing as well I have this idea that at one point there used to be films for adults too. I get it tho, growing up is horrible.

Remakes aren't nec terrible, it isn't difficult to imagine a much better version of this new gb film if they'd been less fucking cautious - I don't think this film has a cynical bone in its body btw, I think everyone is genuinely trying to make something good and worthy but they're trying too hard to approximate and "live up to" the fluke chemistry of the original when they should have just gone "fuck it" (I like ghostbusters ii btw). People will pull quotes in mock horror but really there are no what were they thinking massive lapses in taste - that one line about having ectoplasm in your pussy is not more crass than ghost blowjob - instead what you have is a load of funny people with no funny lines. If there are non-misogynist gb superfans who hate this they should still take a step back and realise that civilisation won't end because an American comedy with a weak script got made obv

instead what you have is a load of funny people with no funny lines.

This was what I was thinking about comparing it to other big-budget shot-in-NYC movies, where somehow the scale (even in Date Night) overwhelms the situations that could be funny.

it's interesting, if risky, to imagine a world in which date night is funny

The irony, given the hubbub, is that an all-female cast is easily the most interesting and exciting thing about this. I've seen plenty of reviews disappointed these funny people were cast in service of such dull/dead material. Similar to people pointing out that one of the few glaring failures of the original is the reduction of Ernie Hudson's role, and not giving him much to do beside be the new black guy, so then decades later we get the new one, and ... they cast Leslie Jones as the new black girl. And apparently the entire time she is in broad stereotype mode. Just missed opportunities.

Along those lines, from what I understand it the new one plays constant fan service to the original, with callbacks and cameos, which sort of impairs its ability to be anything new. Which, yeah, seems way to cautious.

Anyone else sees the story where someone ask Feig if McKinnon's character is supposed to be gay, and he's real coy, and basically implies yes, but Sony wouldn't let them go that direction with any of the characters? This movie seems like vetted product through and through, talented (however erratic) people making the most within the conservative constraints of a franchise cash-grab.

they cast Leslie Jones as the new black girl. And apparently the entire time she is in broad stereotype mode

tbf this is how she is on SNL too, it's kind of her schtick, not sure how interested she is in breaking out of that

i saw this. its sort of fun. but very disposable. it gets progressively better, and the actresses seem to settle in, but it does start off like its the first day of rehearsal. the main flaw though is that the script is weak, the jokes are VERY thin, pale, and safe. i did expect just a bit more fizz from mccarthy but either she wasnt allowed to be herself or she really had to stick to her lines. the token black female is better than the token black male in the first GB. he basically wasnt allowed to have any presence, any good lines, and was basically just a cardboard cut out, the TBF in this one at least gets to be funny, is actually a proper part of the crew, and isnt a dummy either (i cant remember if the ernie hudson character got better in the sequels, im only comparing with the first one).

the main issue is just that its an uninspired retread/half reboot. i wish they just did a full reboot, not try to half-reenact scenarios from the first one. cos everyone looks bored, and for someone who loved the first one, its too familiar. if they were really going to reboot it properly as a female franchise, it should have had a new story, not just pretend this film hasnt already been made (a lot of things werent really explained, as its just assumed that 'ah people know this already' which ruins any real sense of drama in the film).

that said, i liked the ghosts. and fingers crossed they improve it for the next one.

Can't get my head around why several people from the original cameo in the new one but as different minor characters. Where's the value?

they should have rebooted it with assumed knowledge of the original. like, there was this ghostbusters thing once, but the govt shut it down, but now, its needed again. also missed a chance to explore some timely themes. bit sad.

yeah i haven't seen this but i did read "bill murray is in it as a skeptic" and i thought ha that's funny cuz venkman is the consummate egotistical opportunist and it's bold to come for the boys not just w girl ghostbusters but w an implication that professional skepticism is as comfy a home for an egotistical opportunist as academic scamming was -- also funny of course that venkman would cheerfully pretend to be a skeptic despite being certain that ghosts are real -- but anyway no he's not venkman he's just some skeptic. huh.

(i cant remember if the ernie hudson character got better in the sequels, im only comparing with the first one).

Yeah, he got a fairly meaty role in the third one.

Rene Rodriguez:

In the original Ghostbusters, the heroes were oddballs, weirdos and socially disruptive: Their strange behavior and tics made them a natural fit for their otherworldly work. In the new Ghostbusters, McCarthy, Wiig and Jones are the butts of the humor instead of the instigators. When Chris Hemsworth, playing the dumbest man in the world, shows up to apply for a job as their secretary, Wiig ogles him and quivers with barely-contained desire, while McCarthy and Jones are astonished by his stupidity. Hemsworth gets the laughs; the actresses get the reaction shots. For all its feminist underpinnings, Ghostbusters is curiously meek and mild-mannered. It’s corporate product, a safe and cautious movie that takes chances only for blatant product placement (could those Papa John’s pizza boxes have been any bigger or more carefully photographed?).

its true. hemsworth is actually a 100 times funnier than i imagined. and funnier than the others.

they should have had he new ghostbusters face off against a stay-puft-scale papa john in the finale

Read somewhere about a scene where it is basically just McKinnon watching and eating well photographed Pringles.

video essay

https://www.fandor.com/keyframe/the-original-ghostbusters-is-pretty-sexist

should have made the women daughters of the original 'busters.

The only thing that annoys me about this new movie is that it's just called Ghostbusters. Not Ghostbuster 3, or Ghostbusters: *some subtitle*. Makes keeping records really cumbersome. Glad that every theater in my area is showing the original movie this weekend, too. Psyched to see both.

*Ghostbusters 3

ghostbusters 3: the legend of slimer's gold

would've been fine!

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnQ4-TbUkAAqp4K.jpg

lol that reminds me that some of the scripts pitched over the years included an origin story for Slimer

...

Been rumors of a Slimer spin off a la Minions.

good 538 look at things

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ghostbusters-is-a-perfect-example-of-how-internet-ratings-are-broken/

just came back from seeing this (and then drinking a shit ton of whiskey at a bar so) and once you let go of the, uh, mantle of the original ghostbusters... it's a pretty fun summer movie. constant stream of jokes that mostly land, neat-looking fights with ghosts, heartwarming ending, etc. it's less awkward and has more laughs than ghostbusters 2 from 1989. kate mckinnon owns most scenes, she's amazing, leslie jones is good, but mccarthy is kind of subdued. plot is a ghost, but better than deadpool.

I always thought they backed away from Ray in the elevator because he farted when his pack was turned on.

Other thing I never caught until listening to the Laser Time podcast do commentary is Egon just coming up with artitrary fees on the spot and signaling them to Venkman with fingers on his nose when they talk to the hotel manager.

this was just "ok". the main problem is, as has already been intimated, there's very few LOLs to be had. the ladies are game but the writing is thin and they stretch it as far as they can go. pacing is uneven too.

it doesn't do any disservice to the 'history' of Ghostbusters, if anything it shows you what a thin line the original had to walk to get to awesome instead of bland.

final "ghost" battle anticlimactic as well. agree on the ending being heartwarming tho

just lame though. how hard is it to come up with a decent, funnier, more imaginative script? this just had too much riding on it for anyone to be allowed to be actually funny. its like they purposely stripped out the life and personality from it in order to make sure it was as perfect a neat little product as possible.

the fan service moments were grating as hell too.

it'd be like if the latest Mad Max had a scene where they drove by Lord Humungus putting on his mask for the first time while Mel Gibson played a grifter with a shopping cart and a boomerang appeared in every other scene

yeah, it actually helped make the film worse, as the cameos had no real intertextual value at all.

the tagging scene in the subway was annoying because you knew what was coming from a mile away and then they took what felt like 5 minutes for the reveal which wasn't even that big of a payoff.

Ozzy cameo really eye-rolly too

rumor is, the original cast cameos were added very late in production

ooh outrageous tell me more!

It's got that disjointed weirdness that all modern Hollywood comedies seem to have, which probably does come from the top down (playing it safe, eyeing the global market, merchandising) with the added burden of having to satisfy the contradictory demands of a generation of stunted man-children who all woke up and decided their religion was Ghostbusters fundamentalism... but it's easily ten times better than shit like Anchorman, the Hangover, or Dodgeball. Just to name a few hits from the modern comedy movie era.

One thing I miss from the original is New York City as a character. She's not really in the new one.

xpost Bill Murray's cameo sucked, the rest of them, especially the last one, were great.

it doesn't do any disservice to the 'history' of Ghostbusters, if anything it shows you what a thin line the original had to walk to get to awesome instead of bland.

― Neanderthal, Friday, July 15, 2016 7:03 AM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ghostbusters 2 already did a pretty good job of this imo.

ew Akroyd's was almost as bad. "and I ain't afraid of no ghost"...ooh the payoff :/

thing is even for someone like me who didn't really care about the individual details being 'true' to the original, it wasn't awful, but it didn't really excite, either. I can't say I was bored, but also can't say I was thrilled either.

xpost HE-MAN HE-MAN!!!

Ghostbusters 2 seems almost completely forgotten - is it really as bad as people make out?

nah, it's actually a lot of fun.

I mix up one and two, two is the painting right?

yeah, 2 has the Carpathian kitten loss painting.

I always love the bit

"Dooooooooooooooooooooooooo"
"Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"
"Egonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn"

*stares*

"2 in the box
Ready to go
We be fast
And they be slow"

rumor is, the original cast cameos were added very late in production
― remove butt (abanana), Friday, July 15, 2016 11:47 AM (28 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
ooh outrageous tell me more!
― O, Barack: flaws (wins), Friday, July 15, 2016 12:01 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

seems to have originated on an anonymous reddit post, so ignore.

GB2 has Peter McNichol as Janož who is clearly having a good time and all the best lines.

Have we linked to Patrin's review of the three soundtracks yet?

http://www.stereogum.com/1885140/something-weird-indeed-the-music-of-ghostbusters/franchises/sounding-board/

I never really considered how weird and sorta random the original soundtrack was as a single collection of songs. The music is so burned into my neurons that it's all just of a piece with Elmer Bernstein's score.

gb2 isn't that bad, it's a bit of a rehash obv, and not as good as the first one but it does include rick moranis saying to a courtroom: "one time, I turned into a dog and they helped me."

the world-saved-by-singing-R&B-song bit is probably the most irritating thing about it

I have fond memories of being 9 years old at summer camp and all of us going

TOO HOT TO HANDLE
TOO COLD TO HOLD

the Run DMC rap song was kinda funny too

also, one lame thing about this new one was that the song comes in for a bit, then gets very abruptly faded out. they should have had the new version play at the start, not the old one. so muddled.

i completely forgot that "on our own" was a ghostbusters tie in
the video is SO late 80s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22bO-ayI7Hw

xpost that bugged me too!

^ Bobby Brown dancing on the Trump Tower above Donald! Christopher Reeve biking through Central Park!
TRYNA BATTLE MY BOYS? THAT'S NOT LEGAL

GB 2 is okay but it's it's a pale shadow of the first.

It sounds like I could wind up having a problem with the new one similar to the one I had with Segel's Muppet movie, i.e. excessive and empty Chris Farley Show-esque reverence/reference.

'On Our Own' >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> GB 2

^^^^^^

patrin dissing the rap is some heavy point-missing

It was too hot to handle, too cold to hold iirc

'On Our Own' vs. 'Turtle Power' (in the battle of songs loosely describing the plot of their respective movies and written by people who have in all likelihood only had the movie described to them by a studio flack ten minutes prior)

I think this whole thing is funny, but here's the relevant bit:

AVC: “Wild Wild West” is certainly not cool in any way.

PS: No, it’s not fun. It has one of those Bobby Brown “explain a song” things going on. That’s actually my favorite thing ever from Ghostbusters II—where it’s like, [Sings.] “Try to battle my boys / That’s not legal”—where they explain the plot. I love all that. But this is a shitty song and a shitty musical tie-in. I would have preferred to have a Will Smith song that explains the plot of Focus over one that explains the plot of this movie.

http://www.avclub.com/article/paul-scheer-why-he-hates-wicka-wicka-wild-wild-wes-223860

The most notorious offender.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8WYh8uz3pQ

There's that one Beverly Hills Cop song that explains the entire plot, too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le1z9HOY5Ss

RZA had one in Pacific Rim

What was the last song that played over a film's end credits to become a hit?

"Lose Yourself"?

"Happy"?

I like to move it move it

that hammer man exposition is fuckin killing me here

I watched that cartoon the day it debuted

i knew it existed but never saw it. i assumed there would be a link to this instead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqQwzgixHAM

pretty sure i still know all the words to the addams family groove

That hammer man song is incredible; I can't believe I don't remember it. You just know that having an incredibly long theme song was at least partially to save on animation costs for each episode. Watching that awful cartoon was one of the first times as kid where I actually felt insulted by a piece of entertainment.

lol I still remember part of the Hammerman lyrics without even watching the video

xp luckily now theres ilx

No idea what film half of you saw - this was great.

that hammer man exposition is fuckin killing me here
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i guess i never realized how rhythmically challenged MC Hammer was….

how come Ray Parker tells people to call the Ghostbusters just cos they're all alone? isn't that inappropriate use of the hotline?

Obviously I hope there's a sequel, but also holding out for an off-year Star Wars type thing which is just McKinnon leering at things for 90 minutes.

that movie was a lot of fun but god damn I never realized how much I hated cameos before, they were all really unfunny and contrived!

With the exception of Murray, they're also about a minute total.

I thought this was good, the obsession with the original that spawned the whole pre-release controversy alludes me. I wasn't alive when the first one came out, it's a good movie, but why so protective? Chris Hemsworth was great. I liked that the spazzy accountant from Broad City was the villain. Good jokes: anti-Irish fence, enslaving elephants, 'we need to evacuate the city!!' 'don't ever say that word', others i'm forgetting

Most pre-emptive criticism was more about mommy issues than over-preciousness towards OG Ghostbusters per se, AFAICT.

Boom

this was 100% perfectly passable and not really any more than that tbh

yep

agreed.

imo McKinnon is one of those people we'll spend forever bemoaning that she never gets a starring vehicle worthy of her (a la Anna Faris)

Smiley Face was amazing though, such a drag that it didn't even get enough of a theatrical release to become a slow burn cult classic.

enhh Smiley Face was just OK

slimey face

Was McKinnon really that good? All she seemed to do was gurn and turn up with new inventions that we barely saw her work on. I suppose ppl just love a bit of underdog sentimentality. Or they really love SNL (which I rarely see being in the UK)

McKinnon definitely the funniest performer in this for me. I haven't watched SNL for years, so the only thing I knew her from was the Visa commercials she did. I love that laconic semi-slurred delivery and never being quite sure if she's coming from from a place of id, ego or just a few missing brain cells.

yeah I did enjoy McKinnon. honestly this isn't a Batman v Supes type thing where the film offends me with its existence. I didn't hate it, I didn't love it....I wasn't bored (often). just wasn't laugh out loud hilarious for me.

lots of my friends love it tho and more power to em. plus anything that makes those MRA idiots squirm is fine by me.

the opening was awesome tho.

the world-saved-by-singing-R&B-song bit is probably the most irritating thing about it

― Οὖτις, Friday, July 15, 2016 12:25 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's kinda too bad Godfather came out two decades early, imagine the Nas song it could have inspired

I didn't think I'd seen McKinnon before but of course she is the modern Hillary Clinton on SNL.

and Justin Bieber

Her Bieber is her chef d'oevre.

agree with a lot of the people here that the script is a lot thinner than you'd expect, given the amount of resources and star power in this movie. Also worth noting that the direction is not super-competent, some of the the action sequences did not really make sense, the pacing of certain scenes is surprisingly slack, and there are weird flubs throughout (somehow skipping how the giant ghost ends up on Leslie Jones, for example).

That said, the movie was also totally fun an enjoyable, and I feel like that 100% came down to the performers, McKinnon and Jones in particular. One thing I like is how quickly the film dispatches with its setup (Wiig up for tenure, then fired from Columbia). I feel like a lot of franchise films would have squeezed an additional 10 minutes out of that, even though it's really not important.

Also, I don't think the cameos weren't nearly as bad as everyone has said, with the horrendous and obvious exception of Ozzy, which literally no one in my theatre laughed at.

tbh i think the cameos were fine as far as cameos go, but for someone who doesn't remember the original v well (or at all tbh) they felt so contrived and unfunny, like if yr gonna do a good cameo at least have the person say or do something that is funny no matter who they are

Is it true that they start out by introducing the traps, but by the end they are not even bothering with trapping the ghosts?

Xpost Would have been cool if at the rock concert a ghost bat appeared and bit his head off.

One thing I like is how quickly the film dispatches with its setup (Wiig up for tenure, then fired from Columbia). I feel like a lot of franchise films would have squeezed an additional 10 minutes out of that, even though it's really not important.

One thing that really struck me when revisiting/rescreening the original is the weird pacing. The first long chunk is all heavily detailed origin story: the main three getting fired, setting up the new business etc before going on the first cases (Murray at Weaver's apartment;the library; the hotel...) which are set pieces, and then there's a montage quickly showing the team's rise to celebrity. Seems too like 1/2-2/3 of the movie passes before Hudson shows up.

xp yeah, in the climactic action sequence, the proton packs begin to just obliterate ghosts. It seemed to run counter to the "rules" implicitly set up earlier in the film, but it didn't bother me too much tbh, I guess it was maybe explained by the "mckinnon levels up their equipment" sequence

And the one ghost they did trap Wiig sets loose

I think the set of handheld gear they tested in the alley was just presented as weapons, not traps.

xp ok wow that is otm, like they capture a ghost and then p much never revisit it for the duration of the film and looking back it really has zero bearing on the plot

@williamc, yeah, that's what i was alluding to at the end of my post. Maybe the gear in the alley scene could have used an exposition line about that, but also maybe i'm just a bad viewer who missed that it signified a shift in the mechanics of busting ghosts

just got back from seeing this, and pretty much everyone here otm: it was fun, the cast weren't as nearly as well-served as they could have been by the script, jones and mckinnon were the highlights, mckinnon especially (so weird that feig apparently wasn't allowed to say outright in interviews that her character is gay / queer because it seems super-obvious from mckinnon's performance)

given that feig usually likes to give his performers a lot of leeway to improv, i have to wonder how much funny stuff was left on the cutting-room floor in order to make it as straightforward and weirdly laugh-light as it is. maybe next time around there'll be a bit more room to let the cast have fun, because they clearly have chemistry.

the climax was easily the weakest part, not least because of the glaring cutting-out of the hemsworth-led dance sequence which was horribly obvious even before it showed up in the credits. also the big bad turning out to be an evil version of the ghostbusters logo which is vanished by being shot in the dick was... underwritten to say the least :(

the post-credits sequence setting up the turn of zuul doesn't bode well for a sequel moving away from another 'ghostbusters fight to close a portal' plot, either

I imagine it's pretty hard to let your cast loose to improvise when there are so many effects and action sequences. Red Letter Media pointed out how little the proton packs were actually used in the first movie.

Anyway, this is like the Hillary Clinton of movies. Am I excited to see it? Not really. But I will absolutely see an action comedy starring women as scientists with my daughters, because I want them to grow up thinking that is the rule, not the exception, no matter how lame the product.

yeah, like i said, it's totally fun and I liked watching it, i didn't mean to come down too hard on it above. I do think it was substantially less funny than the other two feig-mccarthy movies I've seen (bridesmaids and the heat), so maybe I was a little disappointed, but it was totally pleasant overall.

I imagine it's pretty hard to let your cast loose to improvise when there are so many effects and action sequences.

enh, there's plenty of scenes of them hanging out in their hq where they could have been left off the leash a little bit more

Only one fart joke and it was a queef

i trust the mra crowd are suitably outraged