The Daily Show with Trevor Noah

In December, Trevor Noah, a 31-year-old comedian, made his debut as an on-air contributor on “The Daily Show With Jon Stewart,” offering his outsider’s perspective, as a biracial South African, on the United States.

“I never thought I’d be more afraid of police in America than in South Africa,” he said with a smile. “It kind of makes me a little nostalgic for the old days, back home.”

Now, after only three appearances on that Comedy Central show, Mr. Noah has gotten a huge and unexpected promotion. On Monday, Comedy Central will announce that Mr. Noah has been chosen as the new host of “The Daily Show,” succeeding Mr. Stewart after he steps down later this year.

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He grew up in Soweto, the son of a black Xhosa mother and a white Swiss father, whose union was illegal during the apartheid era. “My mother had to be very clandestine about who my father was,” Mr. Noah said. “He couldn’t be on my birth certificate.”

By the time he started performing stand-up in his 20s, Mr. Noah said he had long been taught that “speaking freely about anything, as a person of color, was considered treason.”

His globetrotting spirit (and ability to speak six languages) set him apart in comedy, and he performed widely in the United States between 2010 and 2012, eventually coming to Mr. Stewart’s attention about two years ago.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/31/arts/television/trevor-noah-to-succeed-jon-stewart-on-the-daily-show.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=photo-spot-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0

why not aasif mandvi?

Why not anyone? Jon Stewart isn't replaceable, per se, so they might as well sub him with a cardboard box with a face drawn on it and wait to see if it catches on.

Mandvi may not have wanted it? Who knows.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgZYCj39M38

Mandvi has always had a lot of pans in the fire since he came to TDS, so he may not be inclined to settle down behind the desk. Just a guess.

I think Trevor can handle the job and do it well, but it will become a different type of show once it revolves around him. For one, I bet he cares much less about American cable news.

Excited to see what he can do - I've enjoyed his appearances on TDS a lot

I hadn't heard of him before but he seems pretty good. I wonder how many accents he can do.

His appearances on TDS so far have felt pretty stiff to me.

Not saying those appearances are a reliable metric at all either.

Impossible to judge on past segments (though I thought Noah's were great). I always hated John Oliver's bits, but he killed as host. And Steve Carell was always hilarious in his TDS bits, but couldn't host (or interview) to save his life (he filled in for Stewart a few times in 2001).

I've watched Noah's two specials on Netflix and I've seen his Apollo set linked above, but I'm curious about the lack of footage from the show he hosted in South Africa.

they should've gotten brian williams

He's been pretty weak so far but maybe that's just the writing.

i only found one special searching his name on Netflix ('Trevor Noah: African American'), but it was really funny and convinced me more that he can do the job than his TDS appearances. what's the other one that Netflix has called?

he's really interesting on a live marc maron, fwiw, something which i think pops up in youtube excerpt form when you google trevor noah marc maron

I just watched the clip of his stand-up Slate put up and it was basically a taco truck routine with him doing an icky Cheech Marin impression

The other one on Netflix is You Laugh But It's True, which is a doc about him organizing the first one man show in South Africa. There's some standup in it, but it's mostly about his life.

That clip above was basically his bio in 8 minute stand up form. she seemed very much a personal anecdote driven kind of comedian. I wonder how he will do as a host.

His first segment was similar. He killed it, but it was basically his stand up set so he better kill it.

gr8080 posted this on another thread. Noah seems like another Seth MacFarlane type with extra anti-semitism:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/jaimieetkin/some-old-tweets-are-getting-trevor-noah-in-trouble-already#.xdoYLPxdo

ugh

Yeah those indeed read like a bunch of Family Guy jokes.

Yuck. I thought he was better than that, but he's really just Daniel Tosh with an accent.

rip the daily show

he does have a nice, disarming stage presence that i can see working well as a talk show host

His non-response response is pretty bad. Really hope he and Stewart don't do that fucking "Hey, relax! It's just comedy!" cop-out bullshit thing.

that's what they are going to do

or they are going to give an insincere apology

the response doesn't matter. you can't apologize for being an idiot who actually thinks those mean spirited tweets are funny

sure you can

i mean i don't think they will but you could

that's what they are going to do

Oh, I know. It's just tired and annoying and shruggy and lazy as fuck.

apparently his mom is half-jewish - not saying that should give him a pass or whatever but maybe he identifies on some level w/ jewishness. between him and lena it's kinda a trend this week for pseudo-identifying-jews to make stupid jewish jokes.

the one about fat woman wanting people to find them attractive was pretty egregious too

his first few segments on the daily show (the only few, i guess) have been painfully unfunny. lots of awkward silence during time that's obviously supposed to be filled with audience laughter.

if anything i find it kinda sad that these celebs are so alienated from their heritage that when they try to access it through humor they end up regurgitating lazy antisemitic stereotype jokes instead of the very prolific history of jewish humor.

it's like they only know their heritage through the eyes of ppl who hate them

Yeah those indeed read like a bunch of Family Guy jokes.

― Evan, Tuesday, March 31, 2015 9:50 AM (16 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yuck. I thought he was better than that, but he's really just Daniel Tosh with an accent.

― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, March 31, 2015 9:59 AM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I've described Daniel Tosh "The 'Family Guy' of stand up" so this all fits together nicely.

if those tweets are legit, it's stunning that nobody vetted dude's social media before this announce

i can't believe he literally made a fat chicks joke

i watched a clip of him on letterman. he wasn't funny at all. i don't know why they couldn't get wyatt cenac or, like i said upthread, aasif mandvi. even without the junior high bully humor on twitter i didn't get dude's appeal in the first place

a lot of comics' twitters are clearinghouses for their worst ideas but it's really glaring just how different, in both tone and content, those tweets are from his standup, which can be a little blue but not all lowest common denominator like that

I really wanted Cenac to get the Late Night job that Seth Meyers got, and then the Late Late job that James Corden got. It would've been neat for him to come back to TDS, but I don't get the sense based on the type of things he's done after leaving that he wants to focus on politics.

Wonder what Wyatt went to go do instead of being a correspondent. I mean I haven't researched it, but to the unengaged it looked like he just went back to occasional gigs at the Bell House in Gowanus and whatever else. I'm sure he writes regularly as well? You'd think The Daily Show would be a pretty secure well paying job when you're great at it like he was.

Cenac gets supporting roles in the odd indie film that lasts exactly one week in NYC theaters

wonder if trevor noah will make 30 million per year off of the daily show like jon stewart does

Wonder what Wyatt went to go do instead of being a correspondent. I mean I haven't researched it, but to the unengaged it looked like he just went back to occasional gigs at the Bell House in Gowanus and whatever else. I'm sure he writes regularly as well? You'd think The Daily Show would be a pretty secure well paying job when you're great at it like he was.

― Evan, Tuesday, March 31, 2015 10:33 AM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

He put out a comedy record not too long ago, and he gigs regularly. Maybe he just prefers doing standup, and didn't see it as just a stepping-stone to tv/movies.

Right.

Trevor Noah more like Trevor Shoah am I right?

uh no u are not

idgi just sounds like Joan Rivers is writing for him from Hell

http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/03/31/yes-the-new-daily-show-host-is-black-and-hes-spent-his-career-making-fun-of-african-americans/

Then Noah joked that black people are misidentified as African Americans. “They’re not African, but we’ll play along,” he said, adding, “Many of them really try to connect with Africa, you know? Some of them have these African names. They’ll be like, ‘Yeah, yeah, that’s my girl Wanda, yeah, yeah. Yeah that’s right, that’s Dashiqua, or dat’s Taniqua.”

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBY7d4HUUAAkGEe.jpg

oh those jews what with their exploiting gentiles and accumulating obscene wealth

My theory on that one was that he started with "#BeatsbyDreidel" and was reaching to come up with context for it

the german car joke i don't even know what to do w/ - obv it's a holocaust joke about the joke teller killing jews?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ i rarely watched the daily show since i graduated from college anyway. i doubt i'll watch it much now.

wonder if trevor noah will make 30 million per year off of the daily show like jon stewart does

I doubt JS made that much his first year and besides he had already done a zillion MTV hosting and was already a hugely established name.

Wait where's the German car joke one?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBZvscXWQAA468j.jpg:large

i think they are going to rescind this offer. at this point, everyone seems to already hate this guy

Oh weird, the german car one was not showing up in the article for me at all. Yeah he clearly was going for an edgy irony thing but it's not at all funny enough to distract from the nagl-ness of it.

I nominate Treesh to be the next daily show host

Quick start digging through old Treeship tweets.

#banfrats

banf rats?

Seems like most people on Twitter are defending him "Ever heard of comedy? It's his job!"

Noah's job will be to push liberals' pleasure buttons with toothless gibes at the expense of Republicans, then fawn over whichever Republican has been invited on as a guest; he'll do fine.

My theory on that one was that he started with "#BeatsbyDreidel" and was reaching to come up with context for it

― Evan, Tuesday, March 31, 2015 11:51 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the fact that this was the least offensive of all his jokes is never a good sign

tbqh the shit directed at women seems far more bilious & mean-spirited than any of the jewishness jokes but they're still NAGL, in any case dude is so fired...

...probably. then again daniel tosh is still employed by comedy central, iirc, and he is literally one of the biggest pieces of shit in comedy full stop, so their tolerance is def high

all these tweets were publicly available before they hired him. CC would look like true dummies if they dropped him now.

That the beatsbydreidel is least offensive is def a pretty good sign, since it's the most recent one.

not that it makes much difference but they're just poorly-constructed unsurprising jokes - it's not like you could even make the argument that he's doing something edgy or boundary-pushing or subversive, they're just hacky garbage. Like when Patton Oswalt did that stupid series of psuedo-rape joke Tweets... he was being an idiot but at least you could have an argument about what he was doing. A guy who stretches to make a "BeatsbyDreidel" joke doesn't deserve the "Ever heard of comedy? It's his job!" defense.

Yeah, the shoddiness of the jokes is a bigger strike against him than the content. They're so basic.

yeah it's not so much that they're offensive (which whatever) but that they're not funny and sort of politically naive, which is not what stewart's replacement should be

it's not like you could even make the argument that he's doing something edgy or boundary-pushing or subversive, they're just hacky garbage.

exactly.

so, maybe the South African Craig Kilborn

even the stand-up stuff I saw of his was along the lines of "The mexican asked me if I wanted a napkin. In my country a "napkin" is what you Americans call a "diaper". How messy is this taco going to make me?" What a country!

Eh those jokes about as funny and tasteful as anything else on Comedy Central in the past 20+ years.

Also he probably won't be writing the little jokes he says after they roll a montage of Fox News clips.

half the time they just resort to Jon starring horrified/confused speechless in those cases right now anyway.

network releases offish statement, about what you'd expect
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBcxei4UsAA_oHd.jpg

I told you guys that Craig Kilborn went to my high school, right

to be provocative is brave
to react to provocative is unfair

I've used it myself sometimes but "it's unfair to be provoked by this person doing provocative things" is one of the weakest arguments

I have to admit I don't really understand the Jewish girls/blowjobs tweet. Is that really the stereotype? Maybe the Truly Tasteless Joke Book Noah learned all he knows about Jewish people from had some incorrect information.

^ BRAGGIN 2015

lol

there are some old jap stereotypes/jokes about frigidity

idk about blowjobs tho. maybe he had a jewish girlfriend who wouldn't go down on him and he extrapolated?

The only time a JAP will go down is on the escalator at Bloomingdale's

= cab driver joke

There was a Rachel Shukert piece about the subject in Heeb but its not online afaik--I thought the stereotype was the opposite

everyone who's anyone gets a network to stick up for them these days

like most bigotries about jews the stereotype probably works both ways. antisemites generally aren't bright enough to worry about paradoxes.

there are some old jap stereotypes/jokes about frigidity

― Mordy, Tuesday, March 31, 2015 4:00 PM (8 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, my parents had the "Official Jewish Joke Book" and "Official Irish Joke Book" when I was younger and I remember "How do you cure a Jewish nymphomaniac? Marry her."

Those jokes are weak but I'm guessing they are the weakest jokes in a twitter feed designed for testing out material.

Larry Wilde for new Daily Show host xp

http://i.imgur.com/671BnKi.png

https://twitter.com/jeremymbarr/status/582612503152197632

xxxpost yeah his other stuff is pretty strong:

Trevor Noah @Trevornoah · Mar 17

Because your name is Neal! RT @nealbrennan: A Starbucks barista just called me the N-word. Why Starbucks why?

I'm coming around to the nihilism of casting a boorish jerk as the host of the daily show

if he got hired off those jokes they could at least have gone with a name, like Jerry Lewis or Rickles

he's young - jon stewart was grey - people don't like listening to advice and opinion so much from a guy that looks as young or younger than they are, especially about america, from a person who is not american

If a republican is elected they would. During the Bush years there was tons of self-loathing wrt American identity on the left. People blamed imperialism on "stupid voters" in "middle america" iirc

The daily show has always been complicit in this sort of misapprehension, or perceiving structural inequality, corruption, and militarism as issues that are more cultural than political. As grotesque as fox news is, they are not the root of any of the issues we face

hope this is all an elaborate stunt to give the anchor chair to kristen schaal. trevor ryan is the ted cruz to her carly fiorina? because this kid couldn't walk into 'crossfire' and get it cancelled like jon stuart leibowitz could, i don't think

Also they became a stupidly easy target. It makes sense that Stewart got bored, even though he has had no shortage of praise for the past decade

stewart walking reminds me of how we heard zip from matt taibbi and alex perrine during the last midterms. go gop

As grotesque as fox news is, they are not the root of any of the issues we face

No one's said they are though

I associate stewart with a self congratulatory "smh" style of progressivism that feels pretty pointless to me

Stewart also refuses to tear into his guests like he really should if he kept it so so real

but then he would have no guests.

"I associate stewart with a self congratulatory "smh" style of progressivism that feels pretty pointless to me", he said, self-congratulatorily

u guys are watching the show all wrong

If the people behind the scenes are mostly the same, all Noah has to do is give long deadpan looks to the camera after the (useful) montages of Republican journalists/politicians repeating the same talking points.

someone should start a news/comedy combination channel that's just conservative news with a little box in the corner featuring a left-leaning comedian staring forward, deadpan, 24 hours a day

It's too bad Portlandia is such a hit, because there's an obvious perfect choice for Daily Show host:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_WX9uFpqma18/SM2kQPfcraI/AAAAAAAAAOY/F6Pbe6XNjsY/s1600-h/Picture+1.png

Sorry; image of "Nicholas Fehn, Political Comedian" from SNL failed to embed properly...

well, that character is based on Marc Maron, so I doubt Stewart would have gone for it

stewart was into jewish blowjob jokes too! http://www.mediaite.com/tv/stewart-bibis-congress-reception-was-longest-blowjob-a-jewish-man-has-ever-received/

these jokes are fucking terrible, but they're also pretty old. they don't fill me with hope for his tenure as host on the other hand, the host isn't the writer.

the one thing team lib has on the koch borg is humor. why concede that, com.cen?

once aristophanes retired it was all over. see you in 3615

"my mother is half jewish" is such a weird defense, it's like half-Jewishness is only ever referenced in the context of having to apologise for making a dumb joke

i'm dying to know which half

he didn't literally mean she had a jewish parent, he meant she performed 50% of the oral sex acts his father would have preferred

which half do you hope Mordy

As grotesque as fox news is, they are not the root of any of the issues we face

― primal, intuitive, and relatively unmediated (Treeship),

Actually, they are. Manufactured Consent. Chomsky. Get into it ya'll.

one of the roots, for sure. pretty sure there's going to be more than one root.

treeships have no roots

Trevor Noah was the talk of the Edinburgh Fringe two years ago, where the entire run of his show "The Racist" was sold out and had all these huge comics begging for tickets - he is a protege of Eddie Izzard, who mentored him, and that seemed to get him a bunch of interest from the start.

When I saw it at the start of the festival it was a very surreal experience. It was in the tiny upstairs Pleasance attic room, and when Noah came out, the crowd went INSANE. It was like seeing One Direction or whatever. People taking pictures, screaming stuff, etc. - it turned out the audience was like 85% South Africans, and he's massive there.

The show itself, weirdly, was like 75% "This American Life"-style autobiography about his unique upbringing, and then 25% horrible hacky stand-up. Like, he had a 15 minute bit on how he doesn't trust the female voice on his GPS system because women can't drive. There were other fat chick jokes, and multiple stupid American jokes. (Actually nobody's reprinted one of his other iffy Tweets in this thread I don't think, but he Tweeted one this year that said "when you fly over the USA there's lots of turbulence in the middle of the flight because of all the ignorance rising up from that part of the country" or something - not a great look for The Daily Show)

The rumor was that he was going to win the big Edinburgh prize, but then it turned out he was disqualified by a technicality (you can't have hit DVDs or have sold out arenas since the award is for newcomer types, and Noah had done all of that stuff - plus hosted shows, had millions of Twitter followers, etc.).

he's no patrice o'neal.

I hope you're exaggerating a few points there because that implies someone much less creative than Daniel Tosh.

xp

I do get the sense from his stand-up that he may just be taking the Daily Show gig to get more "lol dumb Americans" material for his future world comedy tours

it's pretty hard to be less creative than daniel tosh but this guy does seem like a fairly shitty comedian

(xp)

bring back kilborn

it's looking dumber and dumber that they passed over JW

or that they didn't snag up oliver before he left for HBO.

Except that she was really outspoken about not even wanting the job.

xp

And that Trevor Noah has experience hosting his own show in South Africa. I'm guessing the people who hired him has looked at that, and based their judgement of him on that more than on what he tweeted five years ago.

it is really mystifying that they let John Oliver jump ship to HBO after he was being groomed to take over the Daily Show. Maybe HBO had really deep pockets, or Stewart didn't let on that he was planning to leave the show so soon... would be interesting to find out what went down with that.

As grotesque as fox news is, they are not the root of any of the issues we face

― primal, intuitive, and relatively unmediated (Treeship),

Actually, they are. Manufactured Consent. Chomsky. Get into it ya'll.

― Arctic Noon Auk, Wednesday, April 1, 2015 9:19 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

In a way the Daily Show is cos it provides such a convenient scapegoat and sacrificing him each episode.

Uh, not sure if there is much evidence that this is directly a Trevor Noah defense besides timing:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/04/01/396782993/patton-oswalt-tweets-in-defense-of-comedy-and-trevor-noah

It just seems like a general extension of the points he made in that recent interview with Salon.

one of the final 2 tweets is "so welcome to comedy in 2015 trevor noah!"

That extended joke is about as funny as I think Patton Oswalt is. Which is not at all.

oh! oops i skimmed past that.

xpost

xp the general point he's making is (somewhat) reasonable, despite the way he's making it. but trevor noah is too lame a comedian and the things he said too legitimately offensive to deserve the defense

as for oswalt himself i greatly enjoy his standup most of the time, which rarely if ever contains the sort of stuff that he is defending other comedians for employing! idk why he bothers.

comedy sucks
comedians suck

Well, one of his tweets received similar attention in the past right?

wrong login lex xp

no this is just part of my new tough guy persona where i say everything sucks

this thread sucks
the internet sucks

xxp yea him & salon were engaged in a long-term blood feud that they recently appeared to sort of quash but im sure this will bring it back to life bc salon knows they are obligated to write the "it's problematic" piece, they have a #brand to preserve

(and to be fair, in this instance he might deserve it a bit bc idk why patton is bothering to defend a p obvious douche who isn't even funny!)

i think he's defending the rights of unfunny douches everywhere

Oswalt's acting exactly like the self-righteous screechy PC strawman he thinks he's satirizing.

I really don't get the sense that people need Patton Oswalt to explain the nature of comedy or that they want everything to be 100% safe and toothless... More like people are looking at Noah's tweets and saying "hmm, this guy made Jew jokes and fat chick jokes... and they're poorly constructed unfunny unsurprising uninteresting Jew jokes and fat chick jokes. Seems like he's punching down. Seems like this guy has bad instincts. Is this really the best guy to host the Daily show?"

OTM

Most of this really has to do with the fact that Noah is nearly completely unknown in America--the rightful owner of the Daily Show--and if someone dug up these tweets on, say, Al Madrigal's or Jason Jones' feed there might be a few articles about it, but it would largely shrugged off because we have familiarity with those guys. It seems like they're doing Noah a disservice by announcing his host job after barely giving him any airtime.

Trevor Noah ‏@Trevornoah
To reduce my views to a handful of jokes that didn’t land is not a true reflection of my character, nor my evolution as a comedian.
5:36 PM - 31 Mar 2015

Clayton Cargill ‏@claytoncargill 18h18 hours ago
@Trevornoah @AlexMiglio we misunderstood you like a fat girl misunderstands how horrible the Jews are.

xxp yea him & salon were engaged in a long-term blood feud

The super funny thing is that the person who WROTE the original Salon article that started it all is NEVER REFERENCED. After Salon published her piece and Oswalt hit back, it's just been treated by both parties like this massive institutional feud when actually the writer in question also said many nice things about Oswalt, and never literally said the thing her article is accused of saying.

She did a bit on this on her podcast recently!

It's a few jokes from over a five year period! I get why people are upset since several of them are over the line, but people who think they can judge his comedic ability from that deserves all the scorn they can get.

oh do they now

I feel perfectly justified in judging *anyone's* comedic ability if at any point in their career they went with, "Man, Jews sure are greedy and fat people sure are un-sexy!" They're a hack, plain and simple.

Yeah, just like you could judge anyones football ability if they ever missed a wide goal. That's how things work.

Making "Jews are greedy" jokes in 2015 is not the equivalent of missing a wide goal. It's the equivalent of trying to play football with a fucking hockey stick.

proclaiming you can't judge his character off of bad old jokes without apologizing for them is admittedly a pretty funny thing for a comedian to do

Phil, you do realize he hasn't done that, right?

Like, there are THREE factual mistakes in the fragment "'jews are greedy' jokes in 2015"

In 2015, He has failed to acknowledge these jokes suck at least

There is no other legitimate interpretation of the "beatsbydreidel" joke.

xp oh, sorry, I forgot that those jokes were OK in previous years.

"They didn't land" doesn't count, makes it sound like he's the fucking wright brothers

"Man, don't understand why my 'lol fat chicks' joke didn't go over, maybe it's the delivery? Will re-visit."

i saw a production of Old Jews Telling Jokes over the winter, i guess those are still OK if Jews are telling them and they are funny? (and about a third of them were)

Arguing whether he was merely saying that "rich jews run everything" vs. "jews are greedy" is kind of splitting hairs here.

"I just throw some reference points together with a but of wordplay. Some land, some are based on unfunny toxic bullshit, what can I do"

they didn't land, but they shouldn't have taken off either

"Guys, it was 2013, okay? Heady days. Snowden. Boston Marathon Bombing. We were still processing the last Kendrick album."

I wonder if he'll go the full piers Morgan and find some issue like gun control to cling to when people accuse him of being toothless

I also wonder if Jon Stewart will go the full Larry king and have a podcast once he realizes he misses having somewhere to go in the morning.

Consider the recent audience:

Trevor Noah @Trevornoah · 9h 9 hours ago
Thank you Oman for an amazing sold out show. Easily one of the friendliest and most beautiful countries I’ve ever been to.

It's a few jokes from over a five year period, during which he did a bunch of standup and hosted his own talkshow. He must have delivered hundreds of jokes. It's not that hard to find a bigger sample before you judge his ability.

Another thing, look at the original buzzfeed, at the people who dug up these tweets in the first place. A bunch of them pepper their tweets with #RAFR and #StandWithUS. Come on, take a step back, think about if you want to keep on participating in this attack on a black south african comedian, based on the thinnest of evidence and begun by a bunch of right-wing nutjobs, or if you perhaps want to suspend judgement until you've seen a bit more of what he can do?

he may even have delivered more than a thousand jokes

this is really not about judging ability. Like, he's the one framing this that these were jokes that "didn't land."

or if you perhaps want to suspend judgement until you've seen a bit more of what he can do?

no. lol. fuck this dude

in what percentage of Mike Tyson's fights did he bite someone's ear off? if it's under 20% then you can't judge

Obv if he's good he's good but if someone points out his horseshit and his response is "you can't judge me by jokes you don't like" forgive me if I'm unimpressed and unoptimistic

Y'know you could share his really good stuff rather than say its unfair to assume he doesn't have any

Yeah, maybe he's got some much better "fat people are lame" jokes, I'll check it out.

think about if you want to keep on participating in this attack on a black south african comedian

NAGL bro.

He's got some decent "Americans are fucking imbeciles" jokes.

Maybe the Daily Show is commiting suicide.

They want to end it with a whimper not a bang

The super funny thing is that the person who WROTE the original Salon article that started it all is NEVER REFERENCED.

many xposts to in orbit: do you mean mary beth williams? i remember they got into a live twitter debate over the asian names thing bc the site had just recently defended colbert for doing m/l what oswalt did (albeit colbert's was funnier), but they seemed to come to some sort of agreement

it kinda did become an institutional thing bc pareene got involved (perhaps in a separate fight) and there was considerable sniping over oswalt having worked on king of queens, pareene coming out of gawker, etc. etc. anyway. its all kind of ridic. oswalt didn't need to defend this idiot and it doesn't work as an object-lesson for his excessive-PCness pet peeves.

xposts

And he's got a great "Black Americans have funny names like Shaniqua" bit... and some sweet Mexicans talk funny gags. From his stand-up. Which I checked out because I didn't want to judge him on a couple of tweets.

The point isn't that he took risks and they didn't land - it's that he's a sub-Family Guy hack.

Yeah I dunno about suicide but I'm sure audiencewise they're ok with him being more tosh/McFarlane amenable. For middle aged dude boggling at Fox News they still have Larry wilmore

"And he's got a great "Black Americans have funny names like Shaniqua" bit... and some sweet Mexicans talk funny gags. From his stand-up. Which I checked out because I didn't want to judge him on a couple of tweets."

That isn't the point of those bits. He's talking as a black african on how african-americans use african culture. And he's discussing how he himself, looking different than most african-americans, is judged to be hispanic in the US. That isn't 'sub-family guy' stuff, that's using his own personal experience to discuss american racial issues.

So you're saying they didn't land

http://www.vox.com/2015/3/30/7344873/trevor-noah-daily-show?utm_campaign=vox&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

I like the first half of the first video, where he discusses what it was like to be a mixed-race child during apartheid.

Don't know if you guys ever saw The Colbert Show when it was on and then did an Asian or Mexican segment. Yeeeesh....

The reason he is being judged so harshly is because his image has been successfully defined by a few tweets dug up by the right-wing. This could not have happened if he wasn't an outsider to american comedy audience. If he wasn't a foreigner. He is being punished for being a foreigner. That is, at the end of the day, what is happening.

lol ok when the noah defender praises "the first half of the first video" in an article featuring seven videos...very promising!

Colbert was playing a dumb guy tho, maybe TN is doing the same.

lok ok, when the asshole asks for videos, then attack the langauge in the post with the videos instead of watching them... completely worthless!!!

waste of time arguing with you. have a good day.

ban all comedy

hey, sorry for reading the words you wrote, frederik

honestly it seems to me like "he's in the crosshairs of a rightwing conspiracy due to being black and foreign" and "he's a defensive, mediocre comedian" COULD both be true

xposts
Look at a certain point it's subjective, Frederick. To me, what he had to say about African-American names and being black but mistaken for Mexican was pretty tired but I probably just watched too much Def Comedy Jam in the nineties where these topics were covered pretty thoroughly every single show.

the "parklife" shit russell brand got was pretty unfair and something-ist, but that don't mean i need to sit through a russell brand show. and noah's getting shit for bad jokes, not for talking funny

i mean i don't care if the tweets were found by putin, they're shit tweets

if he'd responded with "shit, those are embarrassing, sorry" rather than "how can you judge a man..." we'd be in a very different spot

He is being punished for being a foreigner. That is, at the end of the day, what is happening.

naw the CIA black sites are in Chicago not NYC

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I guess nobody told the National Review about the vast right-wing conspiracy

National Review ✔ @NRO
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his dad is german so he gets to make cool hitler jokes too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkaaEqbor5U

his family is apparently comedy gold!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-NutY5ZrWHGU/Ub_nCE9alTI/AAAAAAAAIO0/yPJFuvo63jU/s1600/Seinfeld+in+Yiddish+-+Dentist+Jokes.jpg

dude's got people who don't know him apologizing like they do. that's some kind of talent i guess

P. Oswalt's thing doesn't sound like apologizing so much as an unfunny and too-long internet rant/cleverness bragging.

rant/cleverness bragging. <- Daily Show

But as everyone shared the post, I couldn’t help but think of another widely shared message from Oswalt last summer in the midst of another controversy about rape jokes, regarding Daniel Tosh. When a blogger wrote that Tosh had directed a specific, violent gang rape joke toward her — after the blogger herself had heckled Tosh for an earlier rape joke — Oswalt sided with Tosh, tweeting about the blogger: “Wow, @danieltosh had to apologize to a self-aggrandizing, idiotic blogger. Hope I never have to do that (again).”

The tweet was retweeted hundreds of times and provoked criticism from some of Oswalt’s fans, prompting him to clarify that he disagreed with what Tosh had said but disagreed more with the blogger’s method of criticism. At the time, Oswalt’s outright dismissal of the woman who criticized Tosh felt crushing to those hoping for a respectful conversation regarding the prevalence of jokes about violence against women.

http://www.salon.com/2013/05/09/the_rape_joke_double_standard/

I kind of understand when comedians circle the wagons on this stuff - Louis CK did it with rape jokes, Oswalt has done it several times about hostile language - because they think their art requires complete freedom and that offensiveness is sometimes key to digging out some kind of deeper truth. Bruce, Pryor, Carlin, Hicks, etc. would offend the hell out of a lot of progressive/liberal people today.

Problem is when they circle the wagons to defend bad comedy that isn't performing that function. Like this schmuck.

I'd have liked to see Oswalt do his witty tweet run using the Tosh rape joke instead of the "butter fly" one.

this idea that we have to be soooo sensitive and respectful to a guy making fat jokes is ridiculous - there's this vanity that you don't actually have to speak truth to power, you just have to ACT like you're doing it. there's no defense of the jokes in question, just this "if you don't like it, shut up and ignore it" sentiment that's absurd coming from people who do the opposite of shutting up and ignoring annoyances for a living. the irony level of comedians complaining about hypersensitive critics is almost up there with anti-gay advocates saying "what about MY rights not to support gay stuff?"

otm

Also that Patton Oswalt twitter thing is slightly more funny than reading a Terms of Service agreement.

Oswalt's point is definitely more valid when the joke is the level of the "butter fly" thing obviously but also when it isn't so hacky and unimaginative. If you're going to be edgy with your subject there really ought to be something else going on on a another level to warrant deeper thought or discussion in a way that confronts that issue, however that may be possible. Not just 'Oh yeah the weekend. People are gonna get drunk & think that I'm sexy!' - fat chicks everywhere." There's no joke there.

if your goal is to entertain people, your only response to "i wasn't entertained" should be an apology. and if your goal is to push ideas forwards, blow minds or whatever bill hicks-ian vanity you got, you should be explain the next-level point of your joke, and apologize if you fucked it up. the only reason to push some "you can't judge me, mind your own business, don't be so sensitive, artists must be free" whine is if your goal is to find a cult that will uncritically eat up everything you say.

ha yeah the funniest part of it all is how huffy and sanctimonious Noah and Oswalt's responses were - when what they're reacting to is mostly people MAKING JOKES about what an idiot the guy is.

and the response of "you people don't understand comedy" is so arrogant. like I'm going to read a 52-tweet long finger-wagging lecture about political correctness and then go "OH! Beats by Dreidel! That IS Funny!"

I watched some of his special on Netflix--it seems like joke writing isn't really his thing. Most of the jokes are Yakov Smirnoff level takes on American minutiae. A lot are not really even jokes, just observations: Americans don't use the metric system, unless they're drug dealers.

and the response of "you people don't understand comedy" is so arrogant. like I'm going to read a 52-tweet long finger-wagging lecture about political correctness and then go "OH! Beats by Dreidel! That IS Funny!"

― Brio2, Wednesday, April 1, 2015 2:37 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

To be fair, their point is not saying you have to find it funny.

if your goal is to entertain people, your only response to "i wasn't entertained" should be an apology. and if your goal is to push ideas forwards, blow minds or whatever bill hicks-ian vanity you got, you should be explain the next-level point of your joke, and apologize if you fucked it up. the only reason to push some "you can't judge me, mind your own business, don't be so sensitive, artists must be free" whine is if your goal is to find a cult that will uncritically eat up everything you say.

― da croupier, Wednesday, April 1, 2015 2:29 PM (14 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

agreed

what I'm saying is "you don't understand comedy like us comedians" is a shitty defence for a really crap pun

i don't think it would even occur to me to take someone's twitter account seriously as comedy. let alone defend a tweet. it's not comedy it's a text message. you're a comedian on stage or in film or on t.v. if you say something dumb in real life you're just dumb. like everyone else. so be funny funnyman!

Brio so otm

That post won't age well. Twitter is explicitly public and text messages are private. Comedians use twitter to supplement their career its success in 2015.

xp

and its success*

they can supplement all they want. still a public text message written on a toilet somewhere.

more than a few self-proclaimed comedians take their twitter accounts more seriously as comedy than they would the idea of performing comedy or writing it in any traditional venue, and almost all the established and up-and-coming ones use it as a test platform for jokes or something along those lines

The idea of discounting what you said because you were commenting on something rather than generating a new thought is pretty old feel like politicians have had great success with it maybe this is a linguistic technique they teach now to media handlers or something. But yeah the framimg that detachment via commentary makes it 'performance art' does not discount the violence in the language in any of these cases imho.

Reduce the scenario to the offended group or original targets of the speech, what recourse do they have? They can respond with criticism (and have through the same democratic internet tool) and get another response, this time by an official media press release and a world-famous comedian using an excess of tweets. This is a power imbalance and should be taken into consideration here. This is bullying, basically.

To write it off as a text message when the intention of the comedian is for it to reach as large an audience as TV if they can help it doesn't seem right. And at a certain point it's guaranteed to reach more people than a joke during a stand up gig does. Just because text messages and tweets are both created with thumbs while waiting in line somewhere doesn't mean they are the same thing.

xxp

Trolling seems to be a technique of holding onto power (or creating an imbalance by perceiving an imbalance that is not there) by using derivative speech rather than contributing new thoughts or freely engaging with the offended party.

Like as long as the troll is going, and as long as the troller is gratifying themselves through the trolling it will continue.

sounds like what happens in every thread involving the woodland creature

the jokes are so dumb and hacky, this guy is fucked, and "public text messages tossed off on the toilet" are more revealing of a person's sensibilities than some finely tuned act or speech or presentation.

the comedian's problem is "hecklers" have free reign on Twitter

Yeah, I hate it when a comedian's tweet is suddenly interrupted by a heckler.

ok bye stoopid thread

"He is being punished for being a foreigner" is funnier than any joke any of these people have ever made

Incidentally

@danieltosh
to be fair to trevor noah, all foreign comics are at least a decade behind us in what they think is funny.

Twitter is such a horrible format for comedy. Of course yr followers liked it in droves, they're yr followers!

lol good joke tosh

I listened to the Daily Show podcast with Trevor Noah from a couple of months ago--and there were some interesting moments.

After saying that he knew nothing about US politics, he said he'd been talking to a Daily Show writer about his friend Hitler. The writer said, "Are you doing a fucking bit? There's no way you have a friend named 'Hitler.'" And for the first time, Noah said, he realized that to a Jewish comedy writer it was crazy that someone would name their child 'Hitler' because he is the personification of evil to the West, but from an African perspective Hitler was just a powerful leader.

So basically, get ready for some fresh perspectives, America.

read the NYT thing about noah. and the bit about how anti-apartheid south africans just kinda hate israel forever because of israel's support of the apartheid regime. so, yeah, should be...uh...fun. (i never watch that show anymore though. occasionally on hulu. i got sick of the fox footage/blank stare thing a long time ago. the t.v. equivalent of all the "can you believe this????" facebook links to right wing believability.)

http://i.imgur.com/NVYqBzV.jpg

lmao

if your goal is to entertain people, your only response to "i wasn't entertained" should be an apology

Wat

u have a lot of apologizing to do

haha yeah that's been hanging out there for awhile

comedians are a bunch of weirdos:
http://www.mediaite.com/online/russell-peters-admits-trevor-noah-joke-stealing-accusation-was-a-prank/

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/07/29/trevor-noah-daily-show-fox

Trevor talks some (but not much) about the next version of The Daily Show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EagQVJuM-K0

NEW FONT

Oh, awesome, that song again.

Also I feel like I won't be watching this show.

yeah, i just don't find anything that he does very funny. like when he came out during the daily show final episode, and did the thing where he measured the desk and backdrop and door and stuff - not funny. at least not the way he did it. and his brief stint of correspondent appearances were bad too. i don't know. maybe he'll figure it out, or i'll figure it out. one of us needs to figure it out

Is the old writing staff sticking around? If so it might not matter so much.

For the most part, yeah. The head writer for the past few years—Elliot Kalan (who replaced Tim Carvell, current showrunner for John Oliver)—left at the end of Stewart's run. Would guess they're promoting one of the current writers, but who knows.

show hasn't been funny for a LONG time so I'm willing to try something new

Baratunde Thurston hired for the show-- some kind of producing job

Reading his name always makes me itchy.

Starts tonight. The more recent CC promos for the show have been funnier than the earlier ones, so I'm optimistic.

Today's Salon article with all the handwringing about how Trevor Noah isn't going to go all in on Fox News every night was a gas. Going all in on Fox News every night was what made the last few years of The Daily Show a slog sometimes.

soooo...I'm into it.

He seemed nervous...kinda rushed through his reading of stuff

In the past, Noah has described himself as a "progressive," but on Friday he provided more details on what that means. "I'm not a political progressive, but I consider myself a progressive person," he said. "What makes me a progressive, in my opinion, is the fact that I try to improve myself and by and large improve the world that I'm in — in the smallest way possible. I know that I cannot change the entire world, but I've always believed I can at least affect change in my world. So I try and do that. Progression, in my opinion, is often identifying shortcomings — whether it's views or the things you're doing in your life, your relationships — and trying to find the places where you improve on those."

Eventually, Noah offered some specifics. "In an American context, let's say gay rights or marriage policy," he said. "That's a progressive thing. I understand that in an American context, that skews liberal. Okay, that's fine, then."

But he refused to place himself in any partisan category. "I'm neither left nor right," he said. "We don't have rural conservatives in South Africa…even in the big parties, we have very conflicting views. It's interesting to come into this space and then point out from both sides what I think is right or wrong — or really just trying to find the truth in the matter without saying I have to find this truth because this is my side."

Noah also touched on his admiration for certain stances expressed by Rand Paul during the Republican debates. "There are certain issues from Rand Paul where I say, 'Yeah, I like that, I think we can move forward with that,'" he said. "When it comes to social security reform and ways of adjusting benefits for people, there's definitely a conversation to be had there. I'm not an expert in it, which is the best thing. I just keep on reading and absorbing…but I do believe there's a conversation to be had there."

he may come around to the realization that "adjusting benefits" in US pol lingo = putting them on the road to extinction

yay! they fixed the globe spin direction.

In the past, Noah has described himself as a "progressive," but on Friday he provided more details on what that means. "I'm not a political progressive, but I consider myself a progressive person," he said. "What makes me a progressive, in my opinion, is the fact that I try to improve myself and by and large improve the world that I'm in — in the smallest way possible. I know that I cannot change the entire world, but I've always believed I can at least affect change in my world. So I try and do that. Progression, in my opinion, is often identifying shortcomings — whether it's views or the things you're doing in your life, your relationships — and trying to find the places where you improve on those."

i fed this through google translate in an effort to put it into English and i came out with:

blah blah blah, blah blah. blah blah. blah? blah blah blah blah blah, blah.

yknow, i think it's good to be a positive person, to change stuff in a positive direction, like not necessarily a lot but whatever you can, positively

are you positive about that?

well i wouldn't die for it or anything

Just watched last night's episode. He did a great job!

I don't know why Roy Wood, Jr.'s line "White people like anything Kelly Ripa likes" struck me as the episode's funniest moment, but I can't wait to see more of him.

yeah he was good

Noah seems (or at least reads as) even more nervous in interviews than he did on the show. (I thought he did fine.)

From the moment in his opening segment when he did a callback to Jon Stewart's Syria coverage bait-and-switch and then went "The Pope...YEEEEEAAAAHHHHH" I knew he was gonna be okay.

has he touched the DWB hospital bombing?

Not yet.

Also, it seems like maybe he's taken a step back since week 1 in terms of comfort in the role. His laugh line delivery is paced badly about half of the time now, like he's trying to get through as much of the script as possible before you change the channel.

def new guy jitters in the Sorkin interview. too many questions! protip: sorkin enjoys the sound of his own voice, you only need to ask him A question & he'll talk for an hour

yeah I saw that Sorkin was on and there was just no way I was tuning in.

plus he blarps on about "lol i dont even know where the power button on my computer is " and "wozniak is tooooo smart for me" like ughhh dude calm down

Also, it seems like maybe he's taken a step back since week 1 in terms of comfort in the role. His laugh line delivery is paced badly about half of the time now, like he's trying to get through as much of the script as possible before you change the channel.

― Johnny Fever, Thursday, October 8, 2015 11:54 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Wilmore went through something similar. First week was fun and exciting, next few weeks were super jittery and awkward. But Wilmore has been on fire for the last couple of months.

Wilmore is where it's at.

Wilmore episode with Bill Nye was a little annoying though.

bc Bill Nye is annoying

Nightly rarely takes any chances but it's solidly funny, and I'm glad they have mostly done away with the "one asshole per panel" format they had early on.

Feel like Noah over-broadcasts his punchlines, like he's afraid half the audience won't get the joke. Felt uncomfortable for him throughout most of last night's show.

yeah he's a little like someone who thinks important sentences need exclamation points.

he seems to enthusiastically fake laugh at every other joke, to the extent that I already anticipate it, and it has a bad flattening effect

Well, it's not like Stewart didn't do that too. Jon Stewart's fake chuckle was my least favorite part of watching The Daily Show.

idk I like that he grins or laughs after a joke, i find it appealing

has he touched the DWB hospital bombing?

Wilmore talked about it last night

Feel like Noah over-broadcasts his punchlines, like he's afraid half the audience won't get the joke. Felt uncomfortable for him throughout most of last night's show.

― Darin, Thursday, October 8, 2015 2:05 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

his whole shtick seems to be pitched at 6th graders, so yes.

Wilmore has settled into a consistent groove, unapologetic about his politics, no need for any attempts at "balance" or whatever - just outrage and joeks. He has good writers.

not interested in the new Daily Show at all tbh

yeah The Nightly Show is imperfect but a total treasure

yeah I can't really see it having a broad appeal - no stream of guests plugging product, totally unpalatable to anyone who not interested in black lefty commentary

Jay Leno inexplicably on the other night (he was reliably lame)

leno is everywhere just now: muppet show, fallon, nightly show
i assume he has something to sell?

he's got a show about cars coming out on some cable channel, jay's garage or something like that

right right because he collects them and that's the fun fact we're all supposed to know

http://www.nbc.com/jay-lenos-garage

lol at me mistaking NBC for some obscure cable channel

it's on cnbc not nbc

http://www.ibtimes.com/cnbc-touts-11-million-viewers-jay-lenos-garage-nielsen-tells-different-story-2135364

Despite the press push surrounding the show, "Garage" failed to pull in the coveted 25-54 demo, pulling in 272,000. That's less than the rerun of "Shark Tank" that CNBC aired an hour earlier. It also failed to beat programming from the same day last year and another "Shark Tank" rerun from the week earlier.

Ouuuuuccchhhh.

> Ouuuuuccchhhh.

exactly. emergency appendectomy 4 weeks into hosting.

back after a day as well.

Comedy Central must have terrible sick leave policy for new hires

made for a pretty amusing opening bit last night

goddammit. look s like they've finally fixed the x-forwarded-for workaround that i was using to watch these from england. no more daily / nightly show for me.

maybe someone'll youtube them...

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/24/trevor_noahs_just_not_funny_the_daily_show_is_a_trainwreck_i_know_because_i_watch_for_a_living/

'I'm a millennial who has watched every episode of Noah's "Daily Show."'

you lost me at word 3, sorry.

All the clips I've watched of this just feel clunky and awkward. I can't tell if the material is maybe not as good, but Noah's delivery definitely doesn't mesh well with it and it's sort of uncomfortable to watch because you can feel him fumbling the joke.

also it sounds like 2/3 of the audience seats in the house are empty

i have thought that about him on british tv, and on his slot on the daily show as a guest, but thought he was doing ok as the host. he's not john stewart (which is what the second half of the above article seems to be complaining about) but then nobody is.

am still enjoying colbert (based on the tiny bits that they'll let me watch on youtube).

It's pretty bad so far. The ep after the Paris attacks you could tell he was trying to bring Jon's levels of pathos to the whole ordeal but was just too new and unconvincing of an actor.

Wilmore's show is still chugging along. It's much better.

Trevor Noah had a really good first week, but he was clearly running on adrenaline. Since then, both his delivery and the writing itself have been mostly flat as a pancake. I still enjoy it when Jessica Williams shows up, but she's not even a regular regular anymore. :(

has anyone seen this recently? the opening is becoming a fascinating evolving trainwreck. first they FINALLY moved on from the awful old theme song...by "remixing" it into something that is somehow even worse. my ears are probably tricking me but it almost sounds like it begins fading out the second it begins! like whoever mixed it was so embarrassed that they kind of draw the faders down as soon as possible.

then they started having trevor noah begin the show by walking onto the stage while tossing out a few quick Colbert Show-style intro jokes before the theme song played. then they switched it so the theme played first followed by him walking on stage. the last episode i saw, he told a few walk-and-talk jokes, stood in front of a screen for another joke, and then suddenly sat down at his desk while making a joke about how awkward it was for him to do that

he's just not very good.

i can't cite the specific joke(s), but iirc he's also started to occasionally make oblique references to his bad ratings. things seem to be spiralling

seriously though, has anyone heard the new theme song? yikes

i was surprised to see it's also airing on BET? Or was that a dream I had?

ah, i see: maybe that was just the first week or so?
http://www.bustle.com/articles/113087-the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-will-premiere-on-every-viacom-channel-so-you-wont-miss

I haven't bothered watching, I was put off by his standup - sounds like I'm not missing much?

still enjoying the occasional Nightly Show tho

I tried to stay optimistic about the Nightly Show but I think it has just been really really bad all of the recent times I've caught it. Maybe I'm imagining things with that negative bias as well but it sounds kind of like his studio audience is at most maybe 10-15 people on some of the recent episodes I caught.

That sounds stupid, what I mean is that it doesn't sound to me like there are very many people there.

more to the point, they are not laughing.

how many people are in the studio audience is pretty far down the list of things I care about re: a show

Wilmore's got some good writers/contributors, esp Mike Yard

It was just something (I think) I noticed. What it suggests, if true, is that the show isn't doing well enough to fill the seats for free every night.

Mike Yard is good, fuck a Ricky Velez.

how many people are in the studio audience is pretty far down the list of things I care about re: a show

honestly though the tepid audience is distracting. like hearing other people's laughter & the rhythm with which the comedian brings it is really essential to a good comedy show

Mike Yard is good, fuck a Ricky Velez.

p much agree w this - Velez is too prone to crow about his ignorance or take some stupid reactionary position

Noah's pretty clumsy -- the walk-and-talk opening isn't working -- but Stewart was awful for at least the first year or so. If Noah's gonna get better, it could take a while (and he's already better than when he started, though that's obviously not saying much).

Loving Wilmore lately, though. If the audience isn't laughing, it's usually because that's not what he's going for (e.g., segments on police shootings).

And otm re: Velez. I could do without Rory Albanese, too, but since he's the show's executive producer, he's probably not going anywhere anytime soon.

yeah the recent NYT piece got into that - how Wilmore's exasperated tone isn't really comic

im watching an ep from oct just to see its not good

pretty much agree with all of this:

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/cover_story/2016/01/why_america_isn_t_paying_attention_to_the_daily_show_with_trevor_noah_in.html?wpsrc=huffpo

yep. sadly accurate:

Just think of the campaign insanities that have happened in the last week alone: Fiorina stealing off with a group of toddlers for a photo op, Rubio’s heterosexual panic, the National Review’s last gasp to shred Trump. Not so long ago, we would have learned of these bizarre happenings and thought, “I can’t wait to see what The Daily Show has to say about this.” Now, it’s only likely to have the eighth-best joke on the subject. You still may laugh, but an inessential Daily Show is a real loss.

also, i didn't realize that the stupid new theme song is a "timbaland-produced groove". ouch.

Still based on Bob Mould's "Dog On Fire," though.

That piece nails the difference between Oliver's and Noah's "outsider looks at US politics" thing. Oliver seems to say "The US is run by very silly or stupid people and that horrifies me." Noah stops at "The US is run by very silly people."

i mean basically it feels like an apolitical humor show that for some reason still has politics as its official subject matter. like most of SNL's political skits basically. ain't those politicians wacky? shucks!

You guys watching Bee's show? Her's and Oliver's shows are a lot better than what CC has going on right now.

I love Sam's show, she's killing it every week

Full Frontal with Samantha Bee is amazing

her show blows everyone out of the water, i love it

like it's not even close (i'm including oliver in the defeated competition category, too, even though i like him and watch his show every week)

ah! thx karl

I haven't seen Full Frontal cuz I can't get it on the roku :(

i don't pay much attention to ratings, but i'm kinda curious to see how well bee's show does on TBS. it's an interesting experiment because one one hand it's clearly much, much better than the daily show or wilmore, but on the other hand, it's on TBS

her field pieces in Jordan have been really good

and her kasuch takedown was <3

kasich even

it's ok, he does ka-suck

If he was a radio station, he'd be KSUK.

,> I can't get it on the roku :(

Large enough chunks of it get posted to YouTube

Ugh he is SO BAD at interviews!!!

http://www.salon.com/2016/05/16/the_daily_show_is_dead_to_me_trevor_noah_will_never_ever_be_good_at_his_job_also_thanks_a_lot_for_donald_trump/

that just makes me root for him

oh man, the opening paragraph: is it worth it to make a jokey reference to Lloyd Bentson's Quayle takedown if you immediately have to explain what you're referring to?

trevor noah sucks but that was an article that made me genuinely interested in which publications pay by the word. obviously slate, but it would be nice to have a list of the others

paying by the word is not a new practice, but it leads to terrible results all the same. this article on noah was several thousand words too long.

i'm sure a comprehensive list of publications that pay by the word doesn't exist, but it would be nice to have. this article on trevor noah was too long.

You know ILX doesn't do this, right?

some subjects don't deserve a thousand words, but when you're paid by the word, there's an incentive to repeat the same point several times using slightly different language.

incentive to repeat you're paid a thousand words, don't use a different language to make the same point several times.

daddy's home

daddy's home to stay

i'm not a prophet miles away trevor noah google

i agree trevor noah sucks though

I like him all right. I don't think they've figured out how to mold the show to him yet. It's clearly not going to be as strident as Stewart made it, and that's fine. I really like that they have only two white correspondents at this point. And whenever I'm like who the hell is this I remind myself I hardly ever stuck around for the interview portion with Stewart or Colbert, either.

John Oliver - barely making jokes at this point, mostly just trying to get you to understand how fucked up a topic is, once a week
Samantha Bee - OK she's basically killing it, again though, once a week
Stephen Colbert - not even on the DVR anymore
Larry Wilmore - can't stand panel format, sorry
the rest of late night - never on the DVR in the first place

but yeah Trevor Noah, he's really letting us down

samantha bee - she should be hosting the daily show, and maybe will be in 2 years (i have insider comedy news knowledge)

samantha bee/daily show wouldn't be as funny as her weekly TBS show just because of the daily format, but it would still be 1000000000x better than trevor noah. they really fucked up.

Larry Wilmore - can't stand panel format, sorry

That's only one of the three segments, though. I do wonder why they moved from 3 (or 4) guests to 1 guest and two staffers, though. I like Mike Yard and Holly Walker (and others), but not every other night.

samantha bee - she should be hosting the daily show, and maybe will be in 2 years (i have insider comedy news knowledge)

― I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Saturday, May 21, 2016 11:50 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Exciting prospect though her (rightly) condescending I-pity-you-for-being-a-hopeless-piece-of-shit voice she does could feel a little one-note if it were every night rather than once a week. I would hope she mixes up the delivery a little in a daily setting.

I don't even know if The Daily Show will still be a hot property in two years.

That's only one of the three segments, though. I do wonder why they moved from 3 (or 4) guests to 1 guest and two staffers, though. I like Mike Yard and Holly Walker (and others), but not every other night.

― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Sunday, May 22, 2016 1:07 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

iirc they've had at least one or two staffers on every panel since the very beginning of the show?

Very early on, it was 3 guests and 1 staffer. Then it was in flux for a while. Now it's pretty reliably 1 guest and 2 staffers.

the staffers get boring really fast. feel like i'm watching Chelsea Handler's old show

I'm not sure how people ever thought Trevor Noah was going to work

There are arguments to be had about the effectiveness of how aggressive Jon Stewart was or wasn't, but I don't think anyone would deny the plain fact that the show is completely toothless now.

Willmore's doing fine imo - not as "on" every night like Colbert at his peak but that's a really high standard to meet imo

no interest in Trevor Noah, do ppl actually watch that? I was p tired of Stewart by the time the Colbert Report came around anyway

no interest in Trevor Noah, do ppl actually watch that?

Barely.

I've watched one ep each of Noah, Wilmore, Oliver, all were kind of depressingly bad -- like, not terrible, it was WORSE than if they were terrible, you just felt like competent people worked hard on these shows and produced a certain number of minutes of acceptable comedy product a week. Bleeeeeh.

they don't play dumb enough.

Oliver has been coasting for most of 2016.

Wilmore betrays a clear personal stake in the issues he talks about but the jokes are rarely funny or cutting enough to carry his outrage. Like he lacks the specific thing that makes Chris Rock such a great comedian i.e. no matter how righteously angry he is everybody is comfortable about where the punchlines are.

Oliver has done a good job being passionate about injustice in a broad sense, but because of the roteness of his format and his over-reliance on hyperbolic metaphor, he seems just as passionate about every injustice equally which after a while comes off as disingenuous. Plus a large chunk of his material is explanatory and he speaks to a more international audience.

Noah got where he is portraying himself as an outsider caught between worlds and its hard for a guy like that to take up a believable personal agenda when his default position is the space in between things. That's a big part of his identity and can't really fault him for it but Its never clear who exactly he's speaking to. Most crucially though dude is desperately unfunny.

Unfair to compare these guys to Stewart and Colbert at their peaks but can anybody really imagine any of them doing anything as brilliant as the Glenn Beck bit, the Crossfire takedown or the presidential run and truthiness campaign?

i thought trevor came off as an interesting guy when he guested on seinfeld's cars show, but his personality/general approach seems at odds w/ the daily show format. he always seems so calm, like he's vaguely bored by what he's talking about.

tbf he may be bored, the writing seems to be as bad as his delivery.

because of the roteness of his format and his over-reliance on hyperbolic metaphor, he [Oliver] seems just as passionate about every injustice equally which after a while comes off as disingenuous.

i think this nails it

Wilmore betrays a clear personal stake in the issues he talks about but the jokes are rarely funny or cutting enough to carry his outrage.

Oliver comment also otm but since i only watch the end parts on YouTube I'm slightly less bored of it

Jessica Williams is bouncing. Last show tomorrow night.

Guess I'll have to at least watch that one.

FWIW, based on the number of Facebook links I've seen to the show I'd say that maybe finally Noah is starting to click?

Like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HYe9VdOGIQ

Ends really effectively.

Last night he was pretty good, but Wilmore was better.

really just do not dig this guy's delivery at all

His show feels more like Dem agitprop than Stewart's did. Wilmore's show does a much better job of critiquing the left.

I just like Wilmore's crew (most of them), collectively they're better than just Wilmore

I've yet to see anyone link to Wilmore, that's my only metric.

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/zjq584/the-nightly-show-with-larry-wilmore-a-little-girl-reacts-to-hillary-clinton-s-historic-nomination

http://jezebel.com/heres-tomi-lahren-and-trevor-noah-having-a-very-lively-1789547366

mad respect to him for keeping his cool through this

Watched the full uncut interview with Tomi Lahren. Agreed - I give him great respect for remaining civil and poised, probably better than Stewart in many of his contentious interviews.

fuck this dummy

oh look they're friends putting on a show http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2016/12/trevor-noah-tomi-lahren-peace-drinks-daily-show-debate

can't stand him

k3vin k.
Posted: December 2, 2016 at 10:36:52 PM
fuck this dummy

http://www.avclub.com/article/daily-show-opening-donald-trump-twitter-library-ne-252817

so just to just this straight:

-school rezoning that promotes integration helping the underprivileged in the Upper West side = bad
-ironically curating a fake library that houses the information pollution and hate speech of Donald Trump = good

i feel like no one talks about this show anymore since he took over

thank god

He actually has gotten a lot better over the last year, but definitely overshadowed by both Sam Bee and John Oliver

tedious DNC Dad Joke-maker Daily Show does seven mins on Trump's Afghanistan speech and doesnt oppose anything in it https://t.co/7h6sEYk5EV

— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) August 24, 2017

yea he sux

there's literally nothing surprising about this pic.twitter.com/mZoL8Q9UMv

— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) September 1, 2017

glad no-one watches this nonsense anymore

i do start to forget the show exists anymore

it's not even a good joke ffs

Roy Wood, Jr. was on Politically Re-Active this week and gave a little bit of insight into how Trevor has diversified the worldview of the show and the demographics of the staff from writing to production, etc. That's all laudable, but it only works if shit is funny.

it only works if shit is funny.

yeah. the reason i stopped tuning in wasn't because i disagreed with his perspectives on current events, it was because he never says anything that makes me laugh

I've only seen a couple minutes of Noah it was kind of unbearable. A large part may be that the format of the show itself is tired.

Not sure why I'm remembering this now but no one ever brings up that when TDS covered James O'Keefe's Acorn "expose" Stewart and co.'s take on it was that this was a "huge story that everyone else missed" iirc.

Political comedy is dead, there's nothing they can do to top what Trump does every day. except to say something insanely wrong & offensive like "Antifa is Vegan ISIS"

(at least, as far as The Daily Show is concerned... they needed W. in office)

is it surprising people are ignoring this guy grew up in apartheid Africa

wat

how is that relevant to his incredibly stupid antifa take

either you think its relevant or not im not going to convince you if you've already made up your mind

i knew he grew up in south africa, i don't see the connection, but i haven't made up my mind- i just don't see how that has anything to do with him making a wildly off the mark false equivalency

it was mentioned often when he started

either you think its relevant or not im not going to convince you if you've already made up your mind

srsly what are you talking about

There's an old standup routine of his circulating where he "jokes" about cope opening fire on striking workers and how that's a good tactic that's both unsettling and unfunny

*cops

The bits of Trevor Noah's Daily Show that I've seen have been exactly like the bits of Jon Stewart's Daily Show that made me tired of watching the whole thing and bail three years before Stewart quit, so I have a very hard time buying at face-value all of the left-leaning people who suddenly decided these jokes were unfunny when a black South African was telling them rather than a white Jew.

(This, I believe, was Adam's poorly-stated point/dig.)

Stewart never said anything as dumb as this during his run. i never thought the show was funny but that is a fair point. but The Daily Show ran out of steam a couple years into the Obama admin. imo

Rally to Restore Sanity was pretty dumb though

There's a more conservative strain to many of the Noah bits I've seen that I don't recall from the Stewart run but tbh I just really want all these shows canceled

lotsa lefties (as opposed to libs) raked Stewart in the second half of his run, as when he apologized 24 hrs after calling Truman a war criminal.

I have completely lost my appetite for all this stuff in the Trump era...John Oliver, Samantha B., "epic takedowns" all that shit just stinks to me of Nov. 2016, you gotta read blah blah blah's EPIC TAKEDOWN of Trump's latest shit, all so self-satisfied and smug and who gives a fuck?

This is just weird to me. The "left-leaning people" (you can just say Bernie bro, bro) who shit on the Trevor Noah-era Daily Show are the same types who fell out of love with Jon Stewart circa like 2009-10.

clickhole & onion can still make me laugh at times, but i guess that's a different deal

yeah bleak absurdist humor is much more palatable to me (and the vast majority of leftists, I'd imagine) than EPIC TAKEDOWN type shit

or for that matter milquetoast late-night standup with a reactionary streak

I have completely lost my appetite for all this stuff in the Trump era...John Oliver, Samantha B., "epic takedowns" all that shit just stinks to me of Nov. 2016, you gotta read blah blah blah's EPIC TAKEDOWN of Trump's latest shit, all so self-satisfied and smug and who gives a fuck?

― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, September 1, 2017 2:37 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm. the half hour tv format + centrist/center-left worldview of Daily Show hosts & associates = stale, boring af commentary. probably why Chapo took off so quickly- it's not just their candor, they don't have the constraint of joke writing that defines late night TV. they have substantive discussions for an hour+, & very few celebrity guests. it's a lot more info than tainment

I think John Oliver really killed the golden goose of comics at desk spitting truth tbh

That and yeah, trump winning

Onion/Clickhole not comparable to late night TV. even after acquisition by univision

I think John Oliver really killed the golden goose of comics at desk spitting truth tbh

That and yeah, trump winning

I think... it's a bad format

"Drumpf" is the most noxious effluvia to leak out of these ppl

I liked some of olivers work pre daily show

Have managed about 30 second of his current thing

xxp democracy?

i enjoyed oliver for a while. then there was some moment where he was ending his show with a marching band and a bunch of people in animal costumes jumping around and confetti flying everywhere, and it was like waking up out of a coma or something, like wtf is he doing here, and wtf am i doing here, there is another world

Stewart never said anything as dumb as this during his run. i never thought the show was funny but that is a fair point. but The Daily Show ran out of steam a couple years into the Obama admin. imo

― flappy bird, Friday, September 1, 2017 2:32 PM (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://yourmomentofhate.tumblr.com/post/42481415783/starts-at-230-john-stewart-but-as-always-in

Oliver kinda had the same trajectory as Ricky Gervais: "oh, this guy is pretty funny" 4 years later "this guy is completely insufferable"

idk I kinda like what Oliver does, it's generally more substantive than the "here's guy saying X, now he's saying the exact opposite of X" cut-ups that sustain those shows. I think he's funny, though the writing generally isn't. In fact the show would probably be better if they cut 75% of the jokes. the episodes about North Korea and Infowars were good. Trump himself is just so beyond satire at this point.

xxp whooooooa, hey now! that is pretty bad, whiney. although par for the course in 2003

The only late night comedy I show I can stomach in the Trump era or that feels relevant is Desus & Mero.

Oliver's show was OK when he had a strict no-Trump rule and became insufferable around the time he made it at least half the show every night

I keep meaning to check out Desus and Mero.

Their Bodega Boys podcast is even better.

Trump himself is just so beyond satire at this point.

So many of these shows rely on showing you clips of Trump speaking, and I can't stand to watch Trump speak.

I also think Sam Bee's show is more positive, partly because it's not all jokes aimed at men, and partly because she often uses her show to remind people that it's important to vote in the midterms and in local elections, because that's where a lot of the really crazy shit happens.

I liked the long form piece Oliver did about infrastructure. The "Drumpf" segment itself wasn't particularly bad until the "let's meme this"

Oliver's show was OK when he had a strict no-Trump rule and became insufferable around the time he made it at least half the show every night

eh I actually believe him when he says he'd rather talk about anything else, but how do you skirt around this stuff anymore? the entire stupid planet now revolves around this idiot.

I think a lot of them see their relevance and cultural cache slipping away and they're smearing the left in panic.

xxp i disagree, Drumpf segment was so obnoxious, that gigantic sign and the balloons and the dancing. it was fucking dumb to begin with. people calling Trump "Drumpf" without any irony for months afterward was also horrible

John Oliver is still good because who else is gonna make a 20 minute segment about HerbalLife scams or poor 911 response times or the predatory bail bonds industry.

Honestly, his dick jokes that interrupt the research vary between mildly amusing and actively distracting. They're probably necessary if I'm gonna get through a 25 minute news magazine piece on kidney dialysis

but how do you skirt around this stuff anymore?

focus on extremely specific/local issues or legislative stuff. i.e. half an hour just on healthcare, or universal basic income, or reemergence of neo-Nazis. but the format makes that kind of depth impossible

and yeah Oliver is better at that than others bc he's on HBO, but his tone/delivery... i just can't get with it

Xpost Yeah that was the bad end of the segment I was referring to.

I like Oliver a lot. He tends to get the Trump stuff over as fast as possible at the start of the show, beginning before the studio applause even dies down. Most of his shows go as deep into specific esoteric subjects as 60 Minutes. Like his bit on the dialysis industry? Who else would have done that?

thought exposing Alex Jones not as a lunatic crackpot conspiracy goon but rather a somewhat savvy peddler of overpriced placebos was pretty good. I legitimately did not know his show was 4 hours long, nor that half of it was dedicated to selling $88 bottles of Male Vitality Vitamins

Like his bit on the dialysis industry? Who else would have done that?

be real, you can't chuck an iphone without hitting an outrage peddler ready to do an impassioned monologue on whatever was on huffpo the night before

actually I haven't watched in forever and forgot about the Oliver investigative reports those are good, I remember one in particular about how people end up in jail because of escalating fines over parking and minor traffic tickets that was just infuriating

sleepingbag your neighborhood sounds awful, you should consider moving to the suburbs with carpet kaiser

I never watch any of these anymore, but yeah, i did dig when Oliver's show would do the investigative bits others didn't have the prep time to cover.

did he actually stop doing those? i still see them pop up on youtube

oliver's investigative reports are great but this guy/his writers have a serious animal joke obsession. Every episode is packed with terrible animal jokes

(you can just say Bernie bro, bro)

I am going to choose to assume that you don't know I'm black and therefore didn't mean to throw a random " to" at a black man as he is talking about his perception of racism, handily proving his point.

as far as I can tell that's the first and only post "sovereignty flight" has ever made - so I'll just say try even harder next time, jackass, or we'll bring back gabbneb to take you to school

Oliver kinda had the same trajectory as Ricky Gervais: "oh, this guy is pretty funny" 4 years later "this guy is completely insufferable"

When do you start counting from? Gervais was doing unfunny, bullying character comedy for years before Stephen Merchant wrote 12 good episodes of TV with him, and he promptly carried on doing unfunny, bullying comedy as both himself and as characters

Oliver was funny as a stand-up, funny on bits I saw of the Daily Show, funny on the Bugle every week, and is still pretty funny with writers on his own show, even if the world's so fucked that it can be exhausting

i'm American and i wasn't exposed to them pre-Office or pre-Daily Show. Oliver is obviously better, & while i never watch his show i do appreciate that he does very specific segments. but he will always be responsible... for Drumpf

The only late night comedy I show I can stomach in the Trump era or that feels relevant is Desus & Mero.

― Chris L, Friday, September 1, 2017 1:57 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This show is deathly unfunny imo, and desus used to be twitter's most hilarious dude. I wish he'd get a high paying writer job. Partly vice is to blame because I'm pretty sure this is the only show in this lane without a writer's room, cuz I guess the guys are just "naturally" funny 🤔 Or maybe that helps vice save money

Stewart through 2008 was a lot like the funniest Chapo (reading series, Dear Prudie) - reacting to absurdity in what felt like an offhand manner, letting the crazy speak for itself in a lot of ways.

I don't know if he ever got into Epic Takedown territory and should be blamed for the Bee/Oliver-universe, I pretty much tuned the show out when he got overly serious about his role and the bullshit Rally To Restore Sanity.

when Noah said criticizing Obama for making million-dollar ex-POTUS Wall St speeches was racist, I concluded he can shove his pinhead up his ass (it would fit).

I didn't realise "Drumpf" was anything more than a silly nickname.

I've stopped watching Samantha Bee as regularly as I used to, but she's significantly better than Noah, mostly because it feels like she has an actual dog in the fight, and because she gravitates to female oriented issues that the rest of late night ignores (I wonder why...). At her best, she has a seething anger that adds real bile to her punchlines.

She's also done a few good deep dives, like in the history of the religious right and on crazy congressmen like Louis Gohmert

I thought the problem with Bee was you can't watch her with regularity because she doesn't seem to have a reguklarity to watch her with. Is she off at the moment until the 13th of September?
& is Oliver off for a couple of weeks o0r was he back last week?

_I think John Oliver really killed the golden goose of comics at desk spitting truth tbh

That and yeah, trump winning_

I think... it's a bad format

Kinda kicking myself for not busting out "what a disaster for the golden goose of comics at death spitting truth" tbh

lol autocorrect otm?

death spits truth at us all

i love full frontal and idk why bc i find the rest of these shows tiresome. (the desklessness of it still feels awkward to me but i've adjusted.) oliver's deep dives are ok but the jokes with which he interrupts them relentlessly are exaggerated just enough that they cross over into unfunny pretty much immediately

love shows with desks

Full Frontal is very good for what it is, I just have no patience for angry american liberals these days

Me too, can't stand 'em. That's why I hang out on ILX.

Desks guys desks

xp lol

i still love Bee, even if her enthusiasm/super-bitchery can be over the top i'd rather see it in that direction than what we generally get with Noah

lmao tombot

yeah Bee is still the best

lmao

COMEDY CENTRAL® EXTENDS TREVOR NOAH THROUGH 2022

The bits of Trevor Noah's Daily Show that I've seen have been exactly like the bits of Jon Stewart's Daily Show that made me tired of watching the whole thing and bail three years before Stewart quit, so I have a very hard time buying at face-value all of the left-leaning people who suddenly decided these jokes were unfunny when a black South African was telling them rather than a white Jew.

― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Friday, September 1, 2017 2:27 PM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Not going to deny that outspoken lefties can be hueg racists but this is such a disingenuous post considering when Jon Stewart CAME to the job in 1999 he already had years of experience being a comedy writer, cable talk show host and New York Times bestselling author.

When Trevor Noah came to the job he

https://bossip.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/screen-shot-2016-12-07-at-4-38-59-pm.png

And, on top of that, Larry Wilmore's show was pretty much the same Daily Show schtick and it WAS funny!

Yeah but Larry's show itself was kind of a drag

on second thought maybe "disingenuous" isn't the right word but RONG is in the running

I watched and enjoyed The Daily Show when Jon Stewart took over. As it went on and people began to take it more and more seriously, it became more and more of a drag and I tapped out sometime around 2012. I checked in sporadically in the last 3 years and it still sucked. I checked in when Noah took over and it still sucked in pretty much the same way it had been for Stewart's last few years. It is not disingenuous to have this opinion, neither is it disingenuous to notice that ALL OF A SUDDEN a certain segment of Daily Show viewers had a big problem with the show's format when a black South African was doing it.

I mean, maybe I missed Trevor's "The Daily Show: LOL Chris Brown Beat Rihanna" special

I will say that it doesn't help that Noah's run does coincide with lefty twitter's rise

or that he doesn't have "was Funny as Daily Show host from 1999-2012" on his resume

i enjoyed the daily show in the 90s/early 2000s when i was a teenager. it was and is an awful lot of toothless, self-congratulatory, smug, liberal pabulum.

iirc a *lot* of people were bemoaning the last couple years of Stewart's run as being on a persistent downslide

Larry's show was so great i miss him. lot of genuine awkwardness and stuff on his show, it felt very honest w little of the bloated self-importance these shows often fall prey to.

yes. it didn't suffer from the pompousness of Sam Bee or Oliver at their worst

but even if you now go back and watch some "golden age" bush era daily show it's pretty crap.

*plays a video of george w. bush making a spoonerism*
Jon Stewart mugs for the camera.

Real mordant political satire guys.

There are plenty of Stewart clips circulating that have not aged well, most famously the transphobic shit

And of course the Rally to Restore....etc is mortifying to think about now

god, that rally. i had friends drive across the fucking country to attend that thing, because they were so excited. it was beyond mortifying. no one even talked about it afterward, like it was a terrible secret, like a good friend barfing all over themselves while giving a speech or something.

in retrospect that was the shark jumping moment for liberal comedy generally; it was all downhill from there

*looks up rally date* ah, so it was 2010 when I bailed

god, that rally. i had friends drive across the fucking country to attend that thing, because they were so excited. it was beyond mortifying. no one even talked about it afterward, like it was a terrible secret, like a good friend barfing all over themselves while giving a speech or something.

― Karl Malone

thats amazing

in retrospect that was the shark jumping moment for liberal comedy generally; it was all downhill from there

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.)

otm

his last big moment was screaming at jim cramer

Stewart came off pretty bad in that iirc

'massive owns' that are not really good owns no matter how hard people tried to pretend, ranked:

1. Every single Twitter back and forth
2. Delete Your Account
3. "You want it to be one way, but it's the other way"
4. Stewart on Crossfire
5. Stewart v. Cramer

Yikes, that third one is bleak...

It was good when Marlo said it.

Champion: "Drumpf"

"Bullshit mountain"

Ah good, five more years of this kind of risky, power-challenging comedy pic.twitter.com/rW3EHIDUMD

— Jon Schwarz (@tinyrevolution) September 14, 2017

How much funnier would that joke be without the part after the hyphen that explains the joke? This guy fucking sucks!

i wanna give Noah some credit, he's improved a lot since he started at least

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g44ieAppvBo

at least it's better than this. he's like a fake conservative guy but it's not convincing so the character sucks and he's like craig kilborn with jokes off twitter? the studio audience or laugh track however it's mixed, loud, guttural, hitting over and over again. i feel upset.

Was that a video from the Klepper show? Looks pretty terrible.

https://thepointmag.com/2017/criticism/the-audacity-of-jokes

just saw an episode of this for the first time in a long time - it included a bit about trump and elizabeth warren which ended with noah suggesting trump was ‘woke’ for pointing out warren’s contested native american heritage

umm

noah suggesting trump was ‘woke’

haven't seen this but I've heard they've been known to tell jokes on that show

yeah no it was some false-equivalency bullshit

from the la times

Donald Trump found an unusual ally Tuesday night as Trevor Noah tackled the problematic Elizabeth Warren behavior that spawned the president’s “Pocahontas” nickname.

On Monday, during a ceremony honoring Navajo code talkers, Trump again used his nickname for Warren in derogatory fashion.

“This whole beef between Donald Trump and Elizabeth Warren is a tricky one to process because all the other nicknames that he uses on other people are self-explanatory,” Noah explained on “The Daily Show.”

He illustrated his point by mentioning “low-energy” Jeb Bush, “little” Marco Rubio and “lyin’” Ted Cruz.

Because Warren’s nickname isn’t as readily apparent, Noah dove into the backstory, which included years of the Massachusetts senator misidentifying herself as Native American.

“The way Warren tells the story, it’s been part of her family lore for decades, that they have some Native American ancestry,” Noah said, though evidence has never born that family history out.

“Is Trump racist?” Noah asked, “Yeah. But in his own … way, he’s hitting Elizabeth Warren for saying she’s Native American when she wasn’t. Something she’s never apologized for or owned up to.”

Warren, he pointed out, did something problematic, something conscientious people call each other out on every day.

Noah then made the most unnerving pronouncement of all: “As weird as it is to say, in his own racially offensive way, Donald Trump was being woke.”

ah, I see. He was sincere about it. I don't see the problem though.

hey if you don’t see a problem with giving donald trump credit for his understanding of race then i dunno what to tell you

maybe spend a minute thinking about the venue for this most recent display of wokeness

ok He says "Donald Trump is a racist" but then notes the irony of him engaging in a call-out. Calling him "woke" was a joke. I dunno what to tell you guys.

I never knew the story behind that nickname but if what Trevor says is true ... otm

Her explanation is that her family always told her she was part Native American and she never looked into her genealogy

TDS knew that suggesting trump was woke would make some waves, so they made out happen, however labored and clumsy

that clip of his stand-up routine downplaying the Marikana massacre of striking miners is fucking insane.
especially the presumption that strikes are things to be broken.
the tear gas wasn't working so what else can you do but spray machine gun fire into a crowd?

So new neighbor moved next to us a few months ago. Was walking the dog and chatted with him briefly. Dude wasn't wearing a shirt and is covered in tats. Noticed one tattoo on his abdomen said "Fuck Trevor Noah". Spent the last several days trying to process this.

Like I know from watching my wife and friends go through getting a tattoo that it's a process, right? You have to conceive of the tattoo, sketch it out, make an appointment, wait a while, get it inked, make another appt for more ink, etc. At no point did this guy think "am I making good choices?" or "will my beef with a Comedy Central host subside in time?" So many questions!

maybe it's the first item on a to-do list

Please ask him about it and report back. He wants to tell you about it, promise.

Jon Stewart fanatic

The other arm says "I want to"

You have to conceive of the tattoo, sketch it out, make an appointment, wait a while, get it inked, make another appt for more ink, etc

You're vastly overestimating how long it takes for a stupid idea to be permanently etched on the human body. The tattoo artist didn't have to invent a font to make that transfer.