Star Trek Beyond

aka Justin Lin's new Fast and the Furious movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRVD32rnzOw

is it just me or is this week terrible timing to release this trailer?

On the one hand. On the other...why not something different?

Is it because they want to be able to show it during previews at Star Wars?

Yeah, we now live in an era where Star Trek trailers are attached to SW movies

^^^ Forget the War on Xmas.

how could that be, as ST is Paramount and SW is Disney?

This article says that theaters typically select the majority of previews.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2010/04/how_do_movie_theaters_decide_which_trailers_to_show.html

As many as six trailers play before features at major chains, like AMC and Regal. The studio releasing a given film typically has automatic rights to two of these slots, and theater executives (in consultation with higher-ups from various studios) select the remaining four.

yes, but there are cases where the studio attaches a trailer to the prints (except they ain't prints anymore). so kingfish is technically incorrect.

are we pretending that a bunch of the original Star Trek movies didn't have special effects by the company created for Star Wars effects? not a huge gulf between these two franchises on the production end, even if the fans think themselves worlds apart

Terrible. They're not only solely relying on cliches from TOS and the TOS movies, but now also cliches from the first reboot! Who are they playing these "hope in the impossible" lines to? Fans who would know groan, while it's meaningless to new fans. I guess the music appeals to.. someone?

I'll still watch and enjoy though in spite of all this.

guessing the movie will be a lot more interesting and joyful

that looks like total garbage

Trailer reminded me of the TOS episode 'The Gamesters of Triskelion'.

Star Trek Bed Bath & Beyond
http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/1/1/128043-star-trek-enterprise-ship-cufflinks.html

geez they're just using the same song as the first movie even

this looks hilarious

justin lin understands how to direct ppl as if the characters care about each other, might be good

I'm sure it will be dumb, but hopefully a better kind of dumb than the last one.

at least ppl are unlikely to say "it's a desecration of 'The Gamesters of Triskelion'."

will likely be a better action movie than STID. unfortunate that lin got stuck with a series not primarily known for action.

not really unfortunate. More "stupid"

ugh

It's a desecration of 'The Gamesters of Triskelion'.

it's not for... true gamesters.

Star! Trek! Beyond!
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f5/Madness.jpg/220px-Madness.jpg
dada daaaaaaaa dadada dada daaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
dada daaaaaaaa dadada da daaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

this will be my favorite reboot if it is all ska-trek puns.

skanksters of triskalion

movie titles make me think of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgHHX9R4Qtk&t=3m5s

whoops... go to 3:05

Star Trek Into Darkness had nothing to do with Into Darkness but it's kind of a generic title anyways so I guess it fits just by being a phrase that could fit more or less any plot. Same thing with "Beyond" which could describe pretty much any ST movie conceivable.

Into Darkness wasn't bad but I have been struggling to remember a single thing from it that wasn't in the trailers.

4 Non Beyonds

Wtf at Spock's hair.

after further reflection and a second screening of the first movie i am actually astonished at how terrible this reboot series has been, like i've read articles and posts on here even saying how abrams just wants to pay homage or not fuck up what those before him created but i mean this series is just one long continuing fuckup.

the first one's okay (lame villain really hampers it). Couldn't bring myself to see the second one. Latest looks pretty stupid.

they should go back to high concept TV imo

first one is the best by a long shot and probably has the most in common w/the tone of the previous incarnations but it still misses the mark. last one was schumacher batman wrong, this one looks worse.

http://trekcore.com/blog/2015/12/simon-pegg-asks-fans-to-hang-in-there/

they're doing a new show

exec produced by Kurtzman...

be careful what you wish for

to boldly go where no man has gone before....and blow shit up while we're there

who is Kurtzman

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alex_Kurtzman

ugh

kinda wished they would hand it back to the BSG/ex-TNG guys instead (even if they did totally fuck up BSG)

Fringe (which Kurtzman co-created) had a couple good seasons.

More than a couple IMHO.

Kurtzman didn't have much to do with Fringe by the time it got good, I think.

I think the Kings (who do the Good Wife) could do a pretty good Trek. Find someone with dialogue/character credentials, not nerd credentials.

Or, tbh, the Trek I really want to see would be one last TNG movie (surely they're no more aged than most of the TOS crew was for Undiscovered Country?)

Find someone with dialogue/character credentials, not nerd credentials

^^^

nothing more worthless than nerd credentials imo

Or, tbh, the Trek I really want to see would be one last TNG movie (surely they're no more aged than most of the TOS crew was for Undiscovered Country?)

― Chuck_Tatum

Patrick Stewart, at 75, is older than any of the main cast (shatner, nimoy,kelley etc.) of the Undiscovered Country. The rest of the cast would be younger on average than the cast of Undiscovered Counry.

only 9 years in age difference between shatner and stewart

If we're fantasy-producing Trek, why not get David Simon?

why

"Enterprise-E the same, just got more fierce."

wayyyy doooooown in the wormhooooollle

just saw the first Star Trek movie (for the first time) - in 35mm at the local theater that does that. jeez that's a really lovely movie in every way imo!

very challopsy

The photography on the 20-minute model shot of the Enterprise coming out of dry dock is technically lovely I guess? That's about it iirc

+ Persis Khambatta

no it's really a very pretty thing altogether on the big screen imo! there's all these very long shots of the ship and of space, it's like they wanna get a 2001 vibe which obviously no but still, it's almost...tranquil? and so much about characters, the plot is really basic ("threat to universe that cannot be bested by force must be met with intellect")...idk, as a guy w/no skin in the Star Trek game this struck me as a good movie with a really lovely overall groove!

all that is otm, it's the most star trek star trek movie. on a small screen or in the wrong mood tho it just plays as kitsch at art-house speed.

many moods are the wrong mood.

I think the Kings (who do the Good Wife) could do a pretty good Trek

Not the worst idea ever, but I'm still sad that Bryan Fuller never got his shot

the ST:TMP producers got 2001 fx guy Douglas Trumbull and gave him free reign in post-production.

yeah it definitely is exactly like they wanted to get a 2001 vibe. hence the singular bathos of the dock sequence, which is like if you spliced shots into 2001 of william shatner weeping. it is likeable tho, partic in our ahem era, because even tho it is 1979 it is so pointedly not going for a star wars vibe: a point of pride even the tremendous wrath of khan can't really claim.

(well maybe it can: maybe it is just big-screen "balance of terror".)

i definitely wish bones kept his beard all thru tho.

Don't forget that medallion.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lbj19o3mIW1qbz1bp.png

like a crash-dieted welles

http://i.imgur.com/wCMMf4s.jpg

like a crash-dieted welles

they never really got to finish that movie bcz of a Christmas '79 deadline

(ie cut the boring stuff out)

omg ledge that pic is rreally fucking with me

i like the boring stuff!

New board description

new star trek! nice!

TMP def has its charms, most of which I can imagine are greatly amplified on the big screen (I haven't seen it in a theater since it came out, unfortunately)

TMP is really great to look at. It's definitely the weirdest of the films.

I'm half-convinced I never saw the reboots based on how completely forgettable they were. Like, I honestly remember almost nothing about the actual stories and only a smattering of small details beyond that.

i remember the attack on the starfleet HQ that was ripped off from Godfather 3 and a few others details but no scenes, exactly. from the first one, i got nothing beyond Sabotage.

Yeah, I joked somewhere the other day that all I could remember was Beastie Boys songs but it's actually not a joke. Something about Lin doubling down on the fact that a Beastie Boys song will again absolutely be featured in the new movie inpires zero confidence in me.

Like, make your dumb forgettable future space movies with anachronistic Beastie Boys lulz but maybe they don't have to be called Star Trek.

re: TMP - the effects stuff is all gorgeous, what doesn't work/is funny is all the cutting back to the crew on the bridge for their reaction shots. So many shots of the crew looking at stuff. Someone should do a re-edit where all the reaction shots are of the crew watching themselves watch the movie

xp

I like the first reboot plenty, apart from the dull as dishwater villain, which is a major failure.

xpost Would watch Star Trek version of this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFE2CCfAP1o

hahahaha

Someone should do a re-edit where all the reaction shots are of the crew watching themselves watch the movie

http://iv1.lisimg.com/image/2237968/380full-spaceballs-screenshot.jpg

I like the first reboot plenty, apart from the dull as dishwater villain, which is a major failure.

I don't even remember who the villain was. Some time-traveling Romulan?

Like, I honestly remember almost nothing about the actual stories and only a smattering of small details beyond that.

Not even the gratuitous cheesecake shots of various actresses?

Good grief, what absolutely terrible news:

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/star-trek-actor-anton-yelchin-dies-car-crash-175216196.html

wtf

rip - really liked him in everything i saw him in, seemed like he had a promising career ahead

not even a conventional car crash either. grisly way to go out :/. just 27.

RIP

hey! this was way more enjoyable than i expected!

it's solidly in the action-adventure mode of the reboot and sequel, but much closer in quality to the first one than into darkness. the first 20 minutes or so seemed like it was going to be following the all-action all-the-time template of into darkness, but thankfully it calms down for a decent stretch afterwards. there's one scene near the end which seems custom-designed to troll people who disliked one particular part of the first movie, but it's so shamelessly ridiculous that it's hard not to laugh.

there's some solid character stuff in there, and the cast are as great as ever. my favourite thing about it is the production design, much of which seems inspired by the covers of 70s sci-fi novels - there are some genuinely super-cool looking vistas and space stations in there. the design of the enemies is pretty shit though.

really going to miss anton yelchin in future instalments :(

yeah this wasn't bad. ending felt a little "generic action film" but it had way more atmosphere than the last one.

for all the pre-release shenanigans about gay sulu, i was a little surprised it took up literally less than 30 seconds of screentime in total

i was more pleasantly surprised that they gave so much time to saying goodbye to leonard nimoy - three scenes and an 'in memoriam' at the end was a classy touch.

really enjoyed some of the character's moments, like Sulu being completely rigid and confident about being able to pilot the Franklin, pulling off the jumpstart-off-a-cliff maneuver, and then turning to Chekov and making this "yikes" face
the intro scene with Kirk trying his best to be a diplomat and then making this "what?" expression when the skeptical dudes yelp "they want to EAT us!" followed by the perspective shift showing their size

Was fun until I remembered it was supposed to be a Star Trek movie. It was good spectacle but totally soulless.

wait, this is out already?

yeah dogg

i saw this at an early thursday night screening and even w/the heavy trekkie presence i was surprised how enthusiastic the crowd was. it's not bad, though! so much better than 'into darkness'. it feels more like a trek movie, for one thing. they're moving into a comfort zone with the cast. i think that elba was kind of a non-entity as the villain until the very end, which isn't his fault at all. i liked his makeup, at least. i thought the presence of various new alien races was a good touch, i'd welcome more trek movies than are less reliant on klingons and romulans and vulcans. the two alien characters--the one whose ship they had to "rescue" and the ninja one who looked like she was in a fever ray video--were both fantastic in conception and performance.

this was a movie that "felt" more right than it was endlessly entertaining and propulsive, though. it's definitely oddly paced, despite being "fast moving".

i'm just getting tired of the flicks ending with generic action set pieces is all

nomar otm

It's interesting in that it's kind of structurally the same movie as Into Darkness, but I agree it's very different (nearly all in good ways).

One obvious change is that Krall is not a Cumberbatchian Renaissance Man, evolved over all of us - if anything he's gotten more brutal over time.

One thing in common tho is that a clash of ideas and armies ends up with two lads having a punch-up, though I suppose that is an artifact of the original series.

Apparently the woman-of-many-traps character is called Jailah as it's a shortening of the placeholder "Jennifer-Lawrence-In-Winters-Bone" that was used all the way through the writing of the script.

Ugh, this was lame.

SPOILERS...

There were just so many nitpicky details that I couldn't get past:
Who are the literally millions of bad guys that work for Krall? Did I miss that?

How did Krall lose track of his very own starship?

How do you "repair" a starship with basic tools after it has crashed into a bunch of mountains?

The broadcast-music-over-VHF-and-all-of-the-drones-explode was stupid.

And on and on.

I think the Star Trek movies, with their giant stakes and EEEEEEEEVIL bad guys are just not for me. Star Trek was always more about exploration and meeting/misunderstanding new creatures than just setting up a huge space battle. Clearly JJ Abrams thinks Star Trek is boring, and it shows.

schwantz otm. i knew this would be the case tho so i bought tickets for hunt for the wilderpeople and snuck into see trek instead, hehe.

another thing bothers me (SPOILER ALERT): how did krall turn from a human into the alien shapeshifting thing he became? and then how was he then able to become the king of that race of things (if he was the same as them, i'm not sure)? if that was explained in his captain's log or somewhere else, i missed it.

otoh Zoe Saldana is so gorgeous on screen and great as Uhura, and she and the cast did quite a bit to make up for the dumb things happening.

krall was a great soldier and leader as a human, and he used whatever age-extending technology they found to stay alive. the tech took energy from other lifeforms, but made him appear as an amalgamation of the beings he drained. thats why he looked human at the end -- they kind of left out that the remaining enterprise crew members were hiding somewhere else on the old ship (where were they during all that action?) but he drained all of em (mostly humans) so he appeared mostly human at the end

hunt for the wilderpeople

This was surprisingly dark, but still a lot cuter and less funny than I expected, based on "Shadows," at least.

I thought it was decent fun but I'd like to see one of these with a little less camera movement. also 3D sucks.

where were they during all that action?

They were rescued from Krall's base by Sulu and Uhura, and then Bones was patching them up.

xp thanks mh!

i'll be seeing hunt for the wilderpeople next for sure

they need some extended scenes where he absorbs those little dudes from the intro. I don't want harm to come to them, I just want to see him get all small and ridiculous

i enjoyed this: def more enjoyable than into darkness, but that's not saying much.

the dutch angles & rotating cameras got hella confusing in the final yorktown scene, i couldnt tell where anyone was!

loved that pine dropped into a classic jim kirk karate stance in the opening scene when the little guys started popping off

This was pretty generic, which for Trek is ... yeah, fine. I thought it had some really cool visual ideas, which is ironic, since as usual I had no idea what was going half the time, visually or otherwise. So the bad guy (spoilers?) is a former star fleet guy who was lost in space hundreds of years back, who somehow found some way to live forever, and then amassed a huge loyal army and unconquerable fleet and turned into an alien, and his ultimate plan was to patiently search for the missing component of some ancient bioweapon so that he could finally exact his revenge on the Federation by ... waiting for them to build a huge peace planet he had no idea they were going to build and then release the bioweapon there and kill everyone? I was totally lost. Why couldn't he just attack it with his unconquerable fleet after he lured away their defenses with the false beacon?

Anyway, lots of little things but they didn't seem to matter, not even the fact that the giant attack on the peace planet looked exactly like the end of Guardians of the Galaxy (maybe Zoe could have told them). I like the cast, and I liked all the character beats, the relationship stuff, and I liked the alien make-up.

this was ok, entertaining enough. going Mass Effect in the final sequence was good after half a film of poorly lit scenes on that planet.
big spoiler was RUINED for me because the reveal "video footage" was shown in some trailers/commercials. what a bunch of idiots.
fucking sabotage.

Apparently the woman-of-many-traps character is called Jailah as it's a shortening of the placeholder "Jennifer-Lawrence-In-Winters-Bone" that was used all the way through the writing of the script.

couldn't tell from the backwoods accent?

The lighting was very bad. Half the time I thought it was the 3D.

So it wasn't just me? I saw it in 2D but there were lots of scenes where it was so dim I thought it was the theatre, that the screen was too dark.

I think my main issue with this movie was that while it had a lot of the atmosphere down, as opposed to the previous Trek film, it didn't really amount to much in the end once it became "OMG baddie is headed for the good guys with something that will kill them all".

had it just been focused on the crew's escape/slow reveal of Idris Elba's true identity, it would have been more interesting. Plus all of the "well there's a 3% chance this will work O WOW MIRACULOUSLY IT WORKED" moments get to be eye-rolly.

not bad tho.

I just assumed it was cheekily embracing all the Trek cliches. Like all the "dammit, Jim" stuff ... he pulls off the "Dammit" line, like, 10 times. Or Scottie calling the alien woman "lassie" all the time. We get it, you're Scotty, you're Scottish. I also got a kick out of all the fake rock sets, which seemed very old school Trek as well, especially compared to the expansive, expensive FX.

The Idris reveal, as such, was handled terribly. It was really strange, actually. You get him in alien mode for most of the movie, then they reveal who he is in the video - Idris! - but then the next several shots they go to great effort to obscure his face on the Peace Planet, shooting from behind or just off to the side, leading up to a second reveal where ... he still looks kind of alien-y. Would have been more effective if they eventually had him revert back to human/Idris mode at the last minute rather than just dogface hybrid. Wasn't sure what they were going for.

(Or why he looked like an alien to begin with.)

yeah the pacing of that was weird, they decided to cram an assload of exposition into a 5-minute pocket

Star Shrek amirite?

shoutout to the space hand was nice. Would like to see even more of the 60s trek vibe next time.

lol even my novice Trek ass got the space hand reference, enjoyed that

i loved that the offworld lanscape was v brightly colored in places

I thought it was dark but that's because I spent the first half wearing my sunglasses instead of the 3D glasses

Why couldn't he just attack it with his unconquerable fleet after he lured away their defenses with the false beacon?

Those are... different levels of military might? Like, taking down a spaceship and taking down a planet in the canals of which these spaceships can frolic are ... different tasks?

I don't know, those spaceships seemed to be doing an okay job. The only reason they didn't work against the peace planet was because they were distracted by the Beastie Boys, but the way they were introduced there is no reason to believe a bunch of ruthless ships could not take down a planet made of glass.

In fact, had they not gotten the Enterprise involved he could have lured away the defenses and taken down the planet with no problem. Serves him right for messing with the Enterprise!

This doesn't seem to be based on anything in the film, or any understanding how how military capacities of moving ships compare with castles / towns / fucking planets?

Ha ha, this is the very rare example of I think me actually understanding something. When they were at Idris's base, he tricked Uluru and Sulu into sending the fake distress signal, which would lure the federation defenses from the glass planet to the wrong place, and trap them in the nebula. (Right?) That left the glass planet undefended, so he sent his huge swarm to attack it, and they would have succeeded were it not for Kirk et al. showing up and disrupting the swarm with the Beastie Boys. Right? Because what else was the huge indestructible swarm there for but to attack the glass planet?

Ergo, had Kirk not appeared with he Franklin, Krall (Krull? Krill?) would have showed up at the mostly undefended glass planet with his whole beehive fleet.

But you're right, I typically do lack any understanding of how military capacities of moving ships compare with castles / towns / fucking planets. What can you do?

i'm glad we now know the fate of tom paris's great-grandma.

Spock emo-crying at the beginning annoyed me a bit. Spock has been known to show the unexpected emotion but weep-on-command like he's in a Nicholas Sparks movie, no...unless he was under the influence of some virus or something.

This is probably the best of the three so far but still only ok. The relentless and at times incomprehensible crash bang wallop is wearying.

Ha ha, this is the very rare example of I think me actually understanding something. When they were at Idris's base, he tricked Uluru and Sulu into sending the fake distress signal, which would lure the federation defenses from the glass planet to the wrong place, and trap them in the nebula. (Right?) That left the glass planet undefended, so he sent his huge swarm to attack it, and they would have succeeded were it not for Kirk et al. showing up and disrupting the swarm with the Beastie Boys. Right? Because what else was the huge indestructible swarm there for but to attack the glass planet?

I will have to check, but my memory is that Sulu and Uhura (Uluru is the big rock in the middle of Australia) sending the distress signal isn't part of his plan, just that he'd pre-hacked the communication so that any distress calls have their headers rewritten to appear to be from somewhere else. I took this to be one of the first hints that Krall _really_ knows how the Federation works.

The respondents to the distress would have brought some ships, possibly tooled up, but they wouldn't have brought the main planetary defences, as the main planetary defences would be planetary - probably too large to put on a ship, but more to the point the planetary defences will be there to defend the planet. To go back to the analogy, if a fort hears that there's a bunch of horsemen making trouble a couple of miles away, they might send out some horsemen, but they won't trundle the cannons over.

I mean, the plan isn't to take the base with their fleet, because <makes Matthew Perry how-what-how hand gestures> and also because, as you say, they could attempt that at any time with as much chance, but to get inside enough to dump the new toy into the air system. Which is similar to how smaller armies take big cities in general, poisoning wells (or starvation, but the setting obviously complicates that).

In fairness this does mean that after Sabotage, the plan is fucked, but Movie Magic and the necessity to resolve things with a fistfight...

Because what else was the huge indestructible swarm there for but to attack the glass planet?

Well, to seize ships and feed their crew to Krall.

This is probably the best of the three so far but still only ok. The relentless and at times incomprehensible crash bang wallop is wearying.

― Neptune Bingo (Michael B), Monday, 1 August 2016 11:42 (6 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Hugely crazy talk.

This was hugely inferior to the first. Much better than the second. It was about 6/10. The plot was stinking. It looked good. The way they defeated the "wait how did one guy build all this again" alien fleet was the stupidest thing i may ever have seen. The attack on the enterprise was good. The "character development" snippets were about the worst I've ever seen. That one shot of Kirk and swedish alien on the bike may be the worst I've ever seen. Really I may be overrating it at 6/10 now I think of it.

not dumber than Riker Enterprise joystick

Yeah in fairness documenting the full dumbness would require watching with pause button and notepad and thats not gonna happen

Yeah its not as good as the first one actually but all I can remember about the first one is Spock seizing Kirk by the throat and what a shit bad guy Eric Bana was. The more I think about "Beyond" after watching it (which isnt a whole lot) the more shit it seems.

Not a fan of nu-Star Trek tbh but I'm hoping they can pull one decent movie out of the bag

Saw this on the weekend, I thought it was great fun. I'm not a precious Trekkie tho which I'm sure helps. I go into any Trek story expecting plotholes, ridiculousness and easily resolved conundrums, a la any of the TV shows - why would anyone be surprised by this?

I just assumed it was cheekily embracing all the Trek cliches. Like all the "dammit, Jim" stuff ... he pulls off the "Dammit" line, like, 10 times. Or Scottie calling the alien woman "lassie" all the time. We get it, you're Scotty, you're Scottish. I also got a kick out of all the fake rock sets, which seemed very old school Trek as well, especially compared to the expansive, expensive FX.

This is spot on, for eg. I did notice one part with what seemed like obvious rock sets and chuckled to myself, not even realising it might be on purpose, but the "dammit Jim!" stuff was hilarious.

The Beastie Boys thing was stupid, incongruous fun.

My only quibble was how bloody dark half the film was, what was with that? But hey - NO GODDAMN ABRAMS LENS FLARE HUURAAAAH.

I had to see it in 3D because my local theatre has figured that they can get people to pay the 3D tax by not offering the version people want to see. There was one scene where the only thing I could make out was a gleam across the floor.

Wait the very first shot was lens flare.

there was prob a bit but jja was completely over the top with his use of it in comparison it was in every damn scene. it's fresh in my mind cos I saw it last week

i am not a precious trekkie but i do have some self respect. this was fucking garbage

Clearly JJ Abrams thinks Star Trek is boring, and it shows.

― schwantz, Monday, 25 July 2016 21:31 Bookmark

so true

ding ding

he only produced this one tho

Yeah he wasnt the director of this?

Justin Lin of Fast and Furious fame

vin diesel should play this guy next movie:
https://michaelstvtray.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/ted-cassidy-star-trek1.jpg

This was garbage.

saw this last night (wife wanted to see it for her birthday) and I enjoyed it fine. The right cast and tone and design go a long way for me. Yeah there were plotholes and some dumb moments here and there but I dug it, it was basically just one long episode and it hit all the right character beats without being crammed chockfull of easter egg callbacks to other shit. Really dug the design of the Yorktown and the random plant/animal/rock details of the planet, and the way the underlying Trek ethos of utopian multiculturalism got sprinkled throughout. Walking home afterwards that got me thinking about why exactly I prefer Trek to Star Wars by such a wide margin - Star Wars isn't really about ideas or even science fiction, it's essentially a classic mythological dynastic drama. It's central theme is about succession/family/destiny and the sci-fi stuff is just window dressing. But Trek comes out of the sci-fi tradition of imagining a better world, of projecting an idealized future that reflects our fears/hopes of the present, and as such it feels much richer to me. It's about envisioning a functional utopia - the crew! everybody different but committed to each other. The utopia is intermittently silly and ridiculous, sometimes self-consciously so, but that gets mined for laughs (Trek def seems more humorous to me in general than Star Wars, another point in its favor).

I totally agree except the movie sucked.

haha well there ya go

I admit that by the last big battle sequence I basically didn't give a fuck about the central conflict/threat/whatever of course Kirk was gonna get saved by Bones and Spock duh

Just experienced a nerd self-backpat from the picture above: "Ruk!"

I disagree and this movie sucked

Good post, Shakey.

"i liked this movie that got me thinking what i like about trek is everything this movie ignored" dumbass

Who are you addressing?

Justin Lin

I was p clear that this movie *did* emphasize what i like about trek - the multiculturalism, space utopias (what else would you call the yorktown? It was basically a mccall painting), the crew/cast's commitment to each other, the humor.

Xp

yorktown was like they were fighting & chasing inside an escher drawing

but i still dug it

it's very diluted star trek, though for some reason that doesn't bug me as much as it should

Liked this movie for the most part. I like these characters, but I don't love them like the originals.

The main thing that bugged me was calling the starbase 'Yorktown'. That was the original name for the Enterprise in Roddenberry's proposal to NBC and is mentioned in the show and is assumed to be comparable to Enterprise. They're both named after WWII era carriers. The original ocean-going Yorktown was named after the American Revolutionary War battle. This all made sense in the mid-60s pitching an American show to an American network during the Cold War.

I'm sure Pegg (or whoever) meant it as a nerdy tribute, but calling a stationary base "Yorktown" is very wrong (and something Roddenberry would have never allowed!). Also, it seems like the base is a testament to the cosmopolitan nature of the Federation, so why would it be named after an old earth battle?

Also, it was too big. The recent movies always get the scales wrong. The earth starbase in the TOS films was huge but conceivable. Yorktown is SOOO big.

Finally, why is it "commanded" by a Starfleet admiral? It would seem that millions of people should have an elected governor at least.

because the federation is basically a military dictatorship

Speculative revisionism!

Oh dear, this wasn't very good, was it?

In the end, I think I preferred the ambitious claptrap of Into Darkness than this cover band greatest hits version of Trek. Anyway - TV show in a couple months, so who cares.

This was entirely unmemorable, Karl Urban is starting to piss me off with his almost parodic performance, and they stole the "classical music" joke almost verbatim from Futurama.

I have retained very little memory of this movie.

This year's laudable 'enterprise' rocketed past every reheated rehash you've seen before. One of America's most able directors effortlessly applying his artistic legerdemain. Legendary, ostensibly what every enthusiast needed.

I very much doubt they're going to do another one of these, and I guess I'm fine with that.

"classical music" joke was also in a 1965 episode of Doctor Who where they watch the Beatles on a tardis TV.

I watched this (ST Beyond) last night. It had about enough plot to fill a smallish teacup and the characters had nothing of interest to do, except insofar as being in danger and fighting will seem to be interesting for a while, just because we all have monkey brains. This movie is what the word shite was coined to describe.

Are the plot holes big enough to fit a space station? yes!

Are the characters totally basic? yes!

Did I care? nope. I'm probably going to watch it again so I can give it the proper praise it deserves. Justin Lin directing a sci-fi action movie written by Simon Pegg is very much what I hoped it would be.

tombot otm

love the 70s-paperback-cover look of this movie

oh I said that upthread before

me otm, i guess

yeah this was totally enjoyable

yeah i dug it

I skipped the Khan reboot one, not sure if I prefer this to the first film but it's possible

khan reboot was kind of a chore imo

It was trash, the most joyless Trek ever

I've never liked Cumberbatch, but once the plot details started to leak I was like wtf no

This is definitely my favorite of the three. Veggies OTM re #2. I also think one of the strengths of this one is not leaning so much on the Spork dynamic and letting some of the other characters breathe, as thin as they all may be.

Way better than the second movie but still kind of dull, I thought.

Not trying to challops but I think Quinto is *terrible* as Spock. There's too much anger in the character - it's a boring acting choice. I just kind of want the movies to be 2hrs of Kirk.

yeah i'm not really a fan of his portrayal, it completely whiffs on the dry, intellectual side of Spock.

the alternate timeline shit is needlessly complicated, too.

needlessly complicated or... opportunity for comicsplaining?
https://i.imgur.com/PU39xHA.png

crisis on infinite cumberpatch

I love #3, and I love #1 ...that Khan nonsense never happened as far as I'm concerned.

I mentioned this upthread but Mr Veg said something I think about a lot w/r/t these movies. He likes the reboots well enough, but he feels like the reboots work overtime to make the look and the tone feel like Star Trek but it bugs him the way they steer clear of any of the depth of content that Rodenberry brought to the series. Like there's no real science or social issues, there's no 'there' there.

I blame JJ Abrams; I've always felt like he just liked the clothes and the spaceships of Star Trek but thought the content was too nerdy

(and I am generally a fan of Abrams)

Agreed on those pts

Abrams is a fan-fiction writer given unlimited studio resources.

The opposite, I'd have thought? Fan-fiction writers care A LOT.

Like there's no real science or social issues, there's no 'there' there.

Totally - Super 8 the same: all the Spielberg signifiers, none of the depth. Even the TOS and TNG movies, gaudy as they are, are still "about something" while still working as silly sci-if action movies

no way! i loved the kids in Super 8.

ST Beyond was written by a fan fiction dork, though, which is why it's a fucking blast.

The whole setup to get to the sabotage bit is A++++ trek dialogue for all time, btw, startling from when hears "lassie" say the word bees

... from when Spock hears her say "bees"... derp phone

New series debuts tmrw, btw

yes and Star Trek: The Bryan Fuller TV reboot

Finally watched this, and it's not half-bad (the Spock/McCoy scenes particularly)! The half that is bad pretty much involves the bad aliens, who have a LOT of similarities with the nu-Klingons on Discovery.

It's almost as if they... sabotaged themselves.