The New York Times discusses MILLENNIALS

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/29/nyregion/metropolitan-diary-a-brief-millennial-affair.html

Sept. 14 - Dec. 10: Bliss, ignorance, a friend’s dad’s wedding, Equinox workouts, the meeting of the friends ritual, never discussing the terms of our involvement to each other or in front of each other to our friends.

There is only one possible Equinox workout that could have happened during this time period. Unless you were working out multiple times on that day, I guess...

millenials are good

I predict that if we bump this thread every time the NYTimes makes a general statement or publishes a general article about millennials, it will become a good thread.

Sept. 14 - Dec. 10: Bliss, ignorance, a friend’s dad’s wedding, Equinox workouts, the meeting of the friends ritual, never discussing the terms of our involvement to each other or in front of each other to our friends.

This could equally describe a random month in a marriage of 12 years

haha wait that's the whole article?

it is almost like they're regular ass people who live regular ass lives (but are made to believe there is some great drama or difference in the way they live)

this nyt obsession, or maybe it's an obsession in the culture generally, w millennials is gross and dumb

thought this thread was going to be about http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/20/fashion/millennials-mic-workplace.html

CKent Florida 14 hours ago
People all over the world read this newspaper. What are they to make of this post? And what is "ghosting?" Not everyone is a millenial, and not everyone is a New York hipster. On the other hand, everyone knows about, or has heard about, getting drunk and high.

Did one of them say "Jesus" and then the other responded "Sweet Jesus"?

one of them TEXTED "Jesus" and then the other responded BY TEXT "Sweet Jesus"

(or "SJ" as the millennials say)

Oh these fun loving millennial reporters.

Ms. Gray, who has more than 51,000 Twitter followers, left New York University in 2012. Like the other young reporters on the beat, she is thankful for the circuslike atmosphere of the 2016 campaign.

“Its definitely fun,” she said. “I don’t like all the finger-wagging and people saying it’s so dire and serious. It definitely is, because the stakes are really high and it’s the presidential election and it actually really matters, but you have to appreciate the pure wackiness of the thing, and that’s what makes it special. It’s the most fun campaign ever.”

sweet jesus warriors

millennials even make abject poverty seem unimportant... just look at the fun these kids are having!
http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/03/08/emily-kask-hopping-freight-trains/

they're just "Dirty Kids" is all!
flip through that photo set and check out the captions btw

There is only one possible Equinox workout that could have happened during this time period. Unless you were working out multiple times on that day, I guess...

I assume this is the name of a gym or something

guys millennial has two letter n's in it - if this is going to be our 'lol millennials in the media' thread can we at least keep the spelling correct

the mental scars from the widespread misspelling of 'millennium' at the turn of the century have only just started healing, let's not cause me to pop a stitch

Supposedly, millennials are currently the largest marketing demographic group in the USA. If this is true, it would help explain why they are treated in the media as special snowflakes whose psyches must be inspected in detail.

The Time I Dated A Guy A Little And We Were Both Cowards After And Then I Got All The Feels: Here's Why

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/07/fashion/rat-pack-brat-pack-snapchat.html
http://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/04/07/fashion/07SNAP5-WEB/07SNAP5-WEB-articleLarge.jpg
TBF, these people are eminently hateable but it's fish in a barrel

They kind of look like they are in a barrel waiting to be shot

It's the same story they've been perpetually running about cool rich kid types, only the tech has changed. "You should care about these asshole young people because they are rich, no we're just gawking and joking, but really you should care."

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/01/opinion/sunday/stop-saying-i-feel-like.html?_r=0

it's possible i use this phrase more than anyone in the world. i don't think it's as egregious as this article makes out, but it still succeeded in making me self conscious about using it.

Yet here is the paradox: “I feel like” masquerades as a humble conversational offering, an invitation to share your feelings, too — but the phrase is an absolutist trump card. It halts argument in its tracks.

When people cite feelings or personal experience, “you can’t really refute them with logic, because that would imply they didn’t have that experience, or their experience is less valid,” Ms. Chai told me.

“It’s a way of deflecting, avoiding full engagement with another person or group,” Elisabeth Lasch-Quinn, a historian at Syracuse University, said, “because it puts a shield up immediately. You cannot disagree.”

this makes sense. i probably use the phrase to make myself humble yet invincible, sort of like jesus

a really cool old teacher of mine used to go "stop saying you feel things! you feel with your hands!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnjcVvO40bg

that's a different usage though. it's not used to introduce an opinion, but literally to describe a feeling.

Or they want to make it clear that this is a humble and relativistic chicken dance.

the way i use and the way i see people using 'i feel like' is more an admission of uncertainty in your own objectivity

I feel like the Times is kind of grasping at straws here

it's less of an absolutist trump card than a compact way to preface an opinion with 'i'm an uninformed idiot so take this with a grain of salt'. the weirdness and awfulness of the internet is that we will all continue reading after 'i feel' and have an apparently endless appetite for it. also, i think it's more ontologically accurate than just saying stuff

In the 1990s, after many years of studying patients with brain damage, the neuroscientist Antonio Damasio put forward a hypothesis that is now widely accepted: In a healthy brain, emotional input is a crucial part of reasoning and decision making.

i'm so lucky to be alive at a time we're discovering things like this

“This is speculative, but ‘I feel like’ fits with this general relativism run rampant,” Sally McConnell-Ginet, a linguist at Cornell, suggested.

lol @ this decorous substitution

kinda lol mostly contempt

Name a language peever who isn't a proven hypocrite.

I'm a linguist, so this subject is m/l my specialty, but I'm gonna make things up because the nyt is fishing for a quote.

http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=25453
http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=6328

maybe we would feel less like feeling like if the array of processes and techniques of subjectification to which we're exposed from our childhood years on did not appear to us as a rationally unintelligible threat to individuality and happiness

it's less of an absolutist trump card than a compact way to preface an opinion with 'i'm an uninformed idiot so take this with a grain of salt'. the weirdness and awfulness of the internet is that we will all continue reading after 'i feel' and have an apparently endless appetite for it. also, i think it's more ontologically accurate than just saying stuff

― de l'asshole (flopson), Sunday, May 1, 2016 4:28 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

agree with this. i also think that rooting one's opinions in subjective experience -- while "softening" them in some regard -- is also a way of establishing one's individuality. this can seem urgent on the internet where one is just one disembodied voice in a sea of disembodied voices.

reason is universal, it belongs to everyone. feelings are the inaccessible part. people can relate to your feelings but they will never share them absolutely.

lol @ this decorous substitution

― denies the existence of dark matter (difficult listening hour), Sunday, May 1, 2016 3:45 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ha yeah i pointed that out on twitter. just say "i feel like"!

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/16/business/media/trying-to-pin-down-the-mosaic-of-millennial-tastes.html

It is not hard to find a millennial; there are 79.8 million in the United States. At the Brooklyn Roasting Company’s branch in Clinton Hill, Brooklyn, for instance, I found one right there at the counter, arguing with the barista about what “refill” means. He was not free to talk, but Rob Szypko, 25, who was looking up stuff on his laptop, had a moment. He took off his headphones.

“I struggle with the term millennial,” he said. “Maybe this is a very millennial thing to say, but I don’t feel I’m of the same mind as everyone else just because I happened to be born in the same 15-year life span.”

He had a point.

they should have just cut off the article, right there

Saying "I struggle with..." sounds p millennial.

easy peasy timesaver xp

well everything's a struggle when one has so many TRIGGERS

Ryley Pogensky, 26, at his friend Camilla Claiborn’s loft in Williamsburg. Mr. Pogensky was dismissive of TV programs attempting to portray his generation. “They use, like, slang that no one uses, that your dad would use,” he said. Credit

Like "man alive!"

It seems like these generational definitions always start in marketing departments and ad agencies. Next they spread to specialized publications for those industries. From there they quickly migrate to newspaper business sections. It's a short hop from there to all other media, because everyone's looking for filler and this stuff is proved to capture the public's interest, because wow it's all about us and how interesting we are.

they should have just cut off the article, right there

― I look forward to hearing from you shortly, (Karl Malone), Monday, May 16, 2016 12:58 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

and, prospectively, every article about generational differences

I'm more interested in the debate over coffee refills; seems like something that could potentially affect me

the only thing more tired than the dumb shit people 30 and under do is the complaints about it by people who did shit that's equally lame at comparable ages, and it seems to be loudest (in the media, at least) among ppl in their mid/late 30s or maybe early 40s - like, barely removed from the demographic they're struggling to lampoon

when it's people 45 and above, ok whatever sure congrats on being alive and cognizant while watching cronkite explain what a shah was or (insert major sociopolitical/cultural event here) and you're right instagram IS terrifying - it's not that much less annoying but at least the cultural differences were big enough for the apparent whiplash to be understandable

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/03/nyregion/pyrotechnic-party-of-legend-killed-off-by-social-media.html

I sympathize but speaking from experience you really you have to 1) keep it weird enough to keep these people away and 2) don't be afraid to actually stop people from coming, physically

Wrong thread

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/22/opinion/sunday/baby-boomers-decline.html

They're back covering babyboomers - but it's a depressing read.

The fact is, the culture ignores us. Baby boomers — a “niche” group of 74.9 million — are snubbed by the movie industry, TV, jeans designers, the music business, everything, in favor of Gen X, Gen Y and the millennials (who sound like a sad, droopy human bouquet).

baby boomers ruined the world, they should be thankful they haven't all been processed into soylent green already instead of weeping about being snubbed by jeans designers

I recently asked a neighbor how old she was: Nervous, reluctant, she said, “Oh, 60 or 61.”

This conveys the ennui of today’s “new middle age” baby boomers, immersed as a group suddenly in retirement, the loss of parents, the start of Medicare, the end of daily routine, the start of your husband’s affair, the sudden, urgent need to grapple for assets for the rest of life and to guess at its length while enduring rash-raising reactions to the word “Kardashian” (for which no prescription creams exist at present). Or all of the above plus no retirement and no assets because of no job! This produces “artisanal stress” (created, by hand, by individual boomers for themselves).

To those of us in it, the new middle age in America is the most despised age ever, right up there with “stillborn” and “dead.” No lovely, leafy glade — just a hazy, terrifying landscape of crepey cleavage, popping veins, trifocals and sagging breasts strewn across a lifeless vista. (And the one for women is just as bad.) This new middle age does not describe the lithe, the sexual, the hip or the cool — especially hard on baby boomers, the actual inventors (see above) of both “hip” and “cool.”

unless you're planning to live to 120 YOU'RE NOT MIDDLE-AGED ffs

also according to the latest scientific findings they belong to "Generation Jones" anyway

artisanal stress? FFS

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOfw67DU8AAZ5Bo.jpg:small

what will they think of next

smdh

They, how you say, are Mates in a Room

inspired by the Tenement Co-Living Museum on the Lower East Side

lol

trlblzrz

H O L EEEEEE SHIT

I suspect that Julie Dagenais is just another millennial trying to get by, by writing empty trend-spotting pieces about other millennials.

Surely that has to be from a joke piece?

As a long time newspaper reader, I can assure you that just because an article is nonsensical is no indicator that it was meant to be humorous.

See also: this piece on the community of people who camp overnight in Walmart parking lots.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/14/us/walmart-parking-rv.html

lol @ "A village atmosphere is created where community spirit and solidarity are central."

let's have you get back to us on that solidarity once you've lived in a house with more than 2 other people

fwiw i think Walmart letting people crash overnight in their massive and otherwise deserted parking lots is one of the least evil things they have ever done

they ran a detailed cost benefit analysis there for sure

all the money you make goes straight to walmart!

I’m thinking of a couple of shared house I️ lived in c 1992-5 where a ‘village atmosphere’ was definitely created but in a more, like, Brueghel/Hogarth sense than our friend here means it

Omg wtf with this iOS bug

large group communal living is impossible unless everyone is generally doing alot of drinking and/or drugs

true

i disapprove of this

millenials are good

― ciderpress, Wednesday, March 30, 2016 11:05 AM (one year ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy_L4kfqxJY

i think the idea is intentionally having roommates after college even if you can afford to live alone

Awesome that unfettered capitalism has brought back Soviet communal housing.

I have guaranteed myself relative poverty for my remaining days because I have lived alone in Brooklyn for the last 22 years. So worth it, in the end.

The New York Times discusses POST-MILLENNIALS in one of the all-time worst ledes imo
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/23/style/generation-names.html

We’re a roughly defined generational cohort, but arguably the oldest members of our demographic set are just beginning to reach the age of 40.

lol whut no ffs

yeah waht, I've never heard a definition of millennials that extends to people born in 77/78

or 79, ahem

Someone just tell me what I am, I need to know what to act like. Sept. 79

cry a lot / don't vote / invest heavily in bitcoin

easy: Generation Z. because they're the last generation

Post-flippity flop

Gen Post-flippity flop

a post-flappy bird generation? could there be such a thing?

Sorry, wasn’t referencing you flappy, but instead the famous Gen X article which contains the famous “swinging on the flippity flop” comment

lol i know i was jk

haha didn't janet billig write that? or someone at sub pop?

Someone just tell me what I am, I need to know what to act like. Sept. 79

we're forgotten

they've tried an oregon trail thing lately

but mostly we missed our shot, we've gotta lurk around the edge of other generations' cool collective identities

If u turned 18 in the 21st century- millenial. If not, not.

If yr old enough to have owned a nirvana stoned smiley t-shirt before death of kurt cobain- generation x

Born in 21st century- post millenial

Born post Trump inauguration- lol good luck suckers

Forgetting that millennial has two n's- wasteman

Someone just tell me what I am, I need to know what to act like. Sept. 79

This is me as well. I feel like we slipped through the crack of generational identity. I think I identify most with Gen Xer's, but more precisely as an admiring (lol) younger sibling than as one myself.

lol @ “senior year” as a reference point

"If u turned 18 in the 21st century- millenial. If not, not.

If yr old enough to have owned a nirvana stoned smiley t-shirt before death of kurt cobain- generation x"

gah, stuck in the middle again

isn't that gen Y?

Ok here’s the actual line:

Millennials do not give a shit about Ghostbusters or Back to the Future

If you do, you are Gen X

Never heard millennials pushed back into the '70s, '80-'84 seems to be the range of different definitions.

Add ET and the Goonies to the movie differentiation list.

Gen Y = Millennials

So Gen Z is what, 1997 and on?

I mean all this generational marketing demographic shit is as tiresome and fake as it always was

I’d say the post-Millennials are the ones with no recollection of 9/11

yea was gonna say that

The original Gen X books had Gen X ending around 1976/1977 -- lumping people born in the late 70s/early 80s in with Gen X seems weird to me, since one of the defining things generationally is coming of age under shitty conservative governments -- Nixon, Reagan, Bush I ... Thatcher in the UK -- and economic recession -- like someone born in 1979, 1980 would have graduated high school during the tech boom, which was different than graduating high school to a potential future of working at record shops and video stores or, lol, The Gap like Janeane Garofalo in Reality Bites.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DW-DhH2VwAA9Di8.jpg

that is of course a horrible piece but thankfully did not appear anywhere near the NYT

"But with Ayn Rand’s philosophy, our stuff will always remain ours. We don’t have to share our Nintendo Switch with our little sister (who drops her phone 10 times a day) unless we want to."

Paul Ryannis the ultimate millennial

Ryan. Paul Ryan.

Ryannis Paularion

Paul Ryan. Is. THE ULTIMATE MILLENNIAL.

3. Rated NC-17 yooooow

'it's time to look to a new philosopher, like ayn rand' (who was born in 1905 and died 36 years ago)

who does that Randian write for? the font seems familiar

the foundation for economic education, apparently

she seems like a real go-getter:

Leisa Miller is a marketing coordinator at FEE. Driven by a desire for adventure, she moved to Warsaw, Poland in 2015 to work for a serial entrepreneur she met on the internet. 15 months and several hundred pierogi later, she came back to the States to hone her marketing skills at a tech startup in Charleston, South Carolina, before eventually making her way to Atlanta and joining the FEE team. In her free time, Leisa enjoys listening to 20th century classical music, learning languages, preparing Gongfu style tea, and swing dancing.

That’s like definitely the profile of a wannabe neo-feudalist

a serial entrepreneur she met on the internet

This sounds menacing.

there's no good thing to be that starts with "serial"

isn't Our President a "serial entrepreneur"? (aka con man)

she does not deserve those pierogi

"avocado toast eating brethren" is violence

loving "Ryannis Paularion" for some reason

there's no good thing to be that starts with "serial"

am cool with Serialists and Serial Mom tbh

Leisa Miller might agree with you on the former:

Leisa enjoys listening to 20th century classical music

Don't great individuals find this sort of thing a little patronizing?

yeah the Randian thing to do would be to not use Rand as a prop

let's be real, genuine alphas don't need a faux academic figleaf

Why can't millennials afford houses? Blame bachelor parties, says study https://t.co/mB9ZKd66Lg

— TODAY (@TODAYshow) July 26, 2018

this is fucking stupid, yet destination weddings/bachelor(ette) parties are also fucking stupid.

"Home values have risen significantly over the past year — up 8.3 percent from June 2017 to June 2018. Saving for a down payment may feel increasingly difficult for first-time buyers," a Zillow spokesperson told TODAY Home.

yes it's definitely bachelor parties which are keeping millennials out of the housing market and not, say, an overinflated housing market

This seems pretty dubious. I went to some bachelor parties when my friends and I were in our twenties. They ... are not very expensive. You buy some liquor, you buy some steaks. If you are a strip club type (my crowd wasn't) you do that. I don't see how you end up spending more than $200 per. If there are people who are booking flights to Las Vegas or Cancun for a bachelor party, I'm pretty sure they're not the same ones who can't afford a house.

Like I mean can we remember that this "study" was carried out by a company whose business depends on convincing people getting married that it's normal to spend a ton of money when you get married?

"Your true friends will understand if you just can't afford to spend a week in Vegas!"

Seriously, tell me, have you ever in your life heard of a bachelor party that lasted A WEEK?!?!

i've been on a couple that felt like they lasted a week

ive only been to one bachelor party, for a millenial, and it was at the neighborhood bar. ofc mainstream media trash has a vested interest in promoting/normalizing extravagant spending.

"hmm we like it steve, but can you include more LIFESTYLE PORN?"

https://pudding.cool/2019/09/millennials/

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People are generally smoking more these days

They know the world will end before they get cancer.

everything has cancer in it