Hillary Clinton just said 'delete your account' on twitter to Trump and the internet exploded. What (old) meme should she use next?

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So Yeah, a bazillion rt's for Hills but cmon, 'delete your account', not that great is it? What meme should she use next to really make an impression, to get a gazillion rt's, and to stagger the minds of even the most cynical, i.e. ILX folk?

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Bear say hi to me (ilx exclusive meme!) 8
Fuck this shit 7
Not sure if serious 6
O shit waddap 5
Write in vote for... (specify) 4
Hey girl 3
Scumbag Steve 2
Logical fallacy referee 1


Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 9 June 2016 20:20 (nine years ago)

pippa's arse

sarahell, Thursday, 9 June 2016 20:21 (nine years ago)

Beat me to it.

Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 June 2016 20:22 (nine years ago)

die in a fire

Flamenco Drop (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 9 June 2016 20:22 (nine years ago)

Any old shit it seems

Daithi Bowsie (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 June 2016 20:22 (nine years ago)

"Delightful morbsian wordplay from Mr. Trump".

Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 June 2016 20:23 (nine years ago)

Ooh deep cut

Treeship, Thursday, 9 June 2016 20:24 (nine years ago)

Lol xp

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 9 June 2016 20:24 (nine years ago)

Trump in...SHOCKAH!

Now I Know How Joan of Arcadia Felt (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 9 June 2016 20:25 (nine years ago)

Goatse

Daithi Bowsie (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 June 2016 20:26 (nine years ago)

bill's cigar

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 June 2016 20:26 (nine years ago)

Mr. Trump ate my balls

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 9 June 2016 20:27 (nine years ago)

topical

hypnic jerk (rushomancy), Thursday, 9 June 2016 20:27 (nine years ago)

"Mr. Trump, you never her."

Larry 'Leg' Smith (Tom D.), Thursday, 9 June 2016 20:27 (nine years ago)

* <-- PERTH

hypnic jerk (rushomancy), Thursday, 9 June 2016 20:32 (nine years ago)

image macro feat. caveman spongebob plz hill

yellow despackling power (Will M.), Thursday, 9 June 2016 20:33 (nine years ago)

#FML

A nationally known air show announcer/personality (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 9 June 2016 20:34 (nine years ago)

I heard that her tweet originally said "Boom goes the dynamite!" but her staff talked her down.

ejemplo (crüt), Thursday, 9 June 2016 20:34 (nine years ago)

cockfarmers

j., Thursday, 9 June 2016 20:35 (nine years ago)

Santorum.jpg

jedi slimane (suzy), Thursday, 9 June 2016 20:37 (nine years ago)

Vote Hillary. Why? Because she interesting.

Blowout Coombes (President Keyes), Thursday, 9 June 2016 20:39 (nine years ago)

co-worker: Trump in the oval office.
WHStaffor: Yeah, I'd like to blow on some of that!
co-worker: o_O

<WHStaffor goes to conference room, sees it's Donald Trump not a shiny Trumpet>

WHStaffor: Noooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sufjan Grafton, Thursday, 9 June 2016 20:41 (nine years ago)

Chew up your account and spread the resulting paste between two intact accounts

STOP KILLING ANIMALS, THEY'RE MINT (DJP), Thursday, 9 June 2016 20:44 (nine years ago)

Fuck washing a Trump

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 9 June 2016 20:48 (nine years ago)

i want to die

ciderpress, Thursday, 9 June 2016 20:53 (nine years ago)

thread is better than I was expecting

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 9 June 2016 20:53 (nine years ago)

kissinger? i dont even know 'er!

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 June 2016 20:56 (nine years ago)

this scrawny indie fop WEARING A TRUMP HAT AND NOTHING ELSE is attempting to INSERT HIS COCK IN HER ASS.

ON MY COUCH

how's life, Thursday, 9 June 2016 21:03 (nine years ago)

Donald Trump is the drummer for Gay Dad.

A nationally known air show announcer/personality (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 9 June 2016 21:03 (nine years ago)

Haha

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 9 June 2016 21:04 (nine years ago)

#ImWithHenFap

ejemplo (crüt), Thursday, 9 June 2016 21:05 (nine years ago)

I would like to point out that I have been OTM in this administration

SPACE IS FAKE make no mistake! (Myonga Vön Bontee), Thursday, 9 June 2016 21:07 (nine years ago)

trump/clinton: POO

hypnic jerk (rushomancy), Thursday, 9 June 2016 21:09 (nine years ago)

Sanders? In my vagina?

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 9 June 2016 21:11 (nine years ago)

do not vote if u hate me

kinder, Thursday, 9 June 2016 21:11 (nine years ago)

I just kicked trump out of my hotel for calling my gay coworker a fag

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 9 June 2016 21:12 (nine years ago)

trump can i get your servers email why because it look intersting

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 9 June 2016 21:13 (nine years ago)

How do I shot Trump?

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 9 June 2016 21:14 (nine years ago)

http://www.nairaland.com/attachments/1044388_Remove_ya_jpeg756ca86a80832a5ef86d669d346eeddf

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 9 June 2016 21:14 (nine years ago)

I just kicked trump out of my hotel for calling my gay coworker a fag

― socka flocka-jones (man alive),

I read this as "just kicked trump out of my bed"`

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 June 2016 21:16 (nine years ago)

There he goes, the man who would have voted for Elizabeth Warren

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 9 June 2016 21:17 (nine years ago)

Donald Trump... In your vagina!

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 9 June 2016 21:17 (nine years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUz9xCTOPRw

El Tomboto, Thursday, 9 June 2016 21:18 (nine years ago)

No you don't understand, "I formally endorse Hillary Clinton" is the name of his dog

Sufjan Grafton, Thursday, 9 June 2016 21:22 (nine years ago)

^^ peak thread.

Xp

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 9 June 2016 21:22 (nine years ago)

mr. trump ate my balls

ciderpress, Thursday, 9 June 2016 21:30 (nine years ago)

Donald Trump, what's on your iPod?

get on (down) / to the funky (sound) / of (snoball), Thursday, 9 June 2016 21:36 (nine years ago)

HIRALLY CLIMPS FOR PRESIDETN

SHE TOOK DOWN THAT TRUMP THING HARDCORE

emil.y, Thursday, 9 June 2016 21:51 (nine years ago)

winner

Οὖτις, Thursday, 9 June 2016 21:52 (nine years ago)

^^

imago, Thursday, 9 June 2016 21:52 (nine years ago)

Hirallious

SPACE IS FAKE make no mistake! (Myonga Vön Bontee), Thursday, 9 June 2016 21:53 (nine years ago)

Yaa Emily <3

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 9 June 2016 22:02 (nine years ago)

lol I don't think I will ever not be able to think of her as HIRALLY CLIMPS from now on

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Thursday, 9 June 2016 22:03 (nine years ago)

oh wow

El Tomboto, Thursday, 9 June 2016 22:09 (nine years ago)

lol

mario vargis loosa (wins), Thursday, 9 June 2016 22:15 (nine years ago)

kermit tea

King Nagl (Eazy), Thursday, 9 June 2016 22:16 (nine years ago)

my vote goes to responding to all of trumps tweets with this

http://i11.tinypic.com/53ucxtl.gif

carthago delenda est (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 9 June 2016 22:21 (nine years ago)

http://i.imgur.com/OCde5hF.png

lazy rascals, spending their substance, and more, in riotous living (Merdeyeux), Thursday, 9 June 2016 22:25 (nine years ago)

Loool

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 9 June 2016 22:28 (nine years ago)

Emil.y √ <3

Daithi Bowsie (darraghmac), Thursday, 9 June 2016 22:39 (nine years ago)

Donald Trump: Name Your Reasons Why He Is So Bad & Hated

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 10 June 2016 02:24 (nine years ago)

merdeyeux's pic will haunt my dreams

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 10 June 2016 02:25 (nine years ago)

sonned by a wite lady after a president beef

the world over the crotch. (contenderizer), Friday, 10 June 2016 02:45 (nine years ago)

http://s-ak.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/web02/2010/8/23/12/enhanced-buzz-716-1282581844-1.jpg

ok could somebody put the make america grate hat on this

arts and crafts THIS GUY (daria-g), Friday, 10 June 2016 02:48 (nine years ago)

Scumbag Steve

flappy bird, Friday, 10 June 2016 02:51 (nine years ago)

Dat Boi is so recent compared to all the other options... like i hadn't thought about Scumbag Steve or LOGICAL FALLACY REFEREE in several years

flappy bird, Friday, 10 June 2016 02:52 (nine years ago)


Hillary Clinton
✔ ‎@HillaryClinton

fremme neppa vennette. https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/740972317191352320

7:27 PM - 9 Jun 2016

Mark G, Friday, 10 June 2016 10:37 (nine years ago)

It's sad, he was a Trump.

a 47-year-old chainsaw artist from South Carolina (Phil D.), Friday, 10 June 2016 10:38 (nine years ago)

AH GOT PAID

http://daily.swarthmore.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/TrumpBClinton.png

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 June 2016 11:16 (nine years ago)

http://daily.swarthmore.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/TrumpBClinton.png

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 June 2016 11:17 (nine years ago)

FOR A HOLIDAY IN CAMBODIA

http://www.motherjones.com/files/kissingerclinton_0.jpg

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 June 2016 11:19 (nine years ago)

The story of this election is not told in dialogue, nor is it told in policies. It is told in pictures. I see pictures of Bill Clinton with George W. Bush. I see pictures of Hillary and Bill with Trump, with Kissinger, with... well, name the person you most hate and there's probably a picture of the Clintons with them. This is the most damning thing possible in 2016, that they were complicit in what was, by the standards of the times, a common courtesy.

hypnic jerk (rushomancy), Friday, 10 June 2016 11:24 (nine years ago)

^ OTM. ppl sharing that Clinton/Trump pic over and over again is moronic.

ejemplo (crüt), Friday, 10 June 2016 11:28 (nine years ago)

The Clintons with Mike Love?

Mark G, Friday, 10 June 2016 11:31 (nine years ago)

http://hankeringforhistory.com/wp-content/uploads/roosevelt-stalin.jpg

get on (down) / to the funky (sound) / of (snoball), Friday, 10 June 2016 11:33 (nine years ago)

HRC fucking praised HK to the skies in reviewing his last book, so get informed for a change from your "common courtesy" ignorance.

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 June 2016 12:07 (nine years ago)

can't believe how excited people get by the fact that whoever runs hillary's twitter zinged trump. the internet has infantilised us beyond belief. every fucking utterance has to be celebrated en masse or get rocks thrown at it, it's like watching football supporters or children playing with their dolls.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 10 June 2016 12:11 (nine years ago)

Boom

Daithi Bowsie (darraghmac), Friday, 10 June 2016 12:12 (nine years ago)

30 years ago a child would kick a ball on the street.

ejemplo (crüt), Friday, 10 June 2016 12:13 (nine years ago)

Now hes kickin a tweet in the balls

Daithi Bowsie (darraghmac), Friday, 10 June 2016 12:14 (nine years ago)

the content of the tweet is typical too, like it's not enough for hillary to actually respond to trump's tweet, or for whoever tweets for her to answer his lame wwe jibes, that would take too much effort and require people to read actual words, what's needed here is a meme we're already familiar with, and then we can all just respond to it with other pre-fabricated sets of words which we call memes.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 10 June 2016 12:18 (nine years ago)

You mean like how every Morbius post is functionally identical to the one before it?

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Friday, 10 June 2016 12:25 (nine years ago)

So, basically, with this tweet she has won the election and it's just a matter of dealing with the formalities.

And it's just a matter of time until Boris says it. Unless he says it to Farage and then goes cripes.

Mark G, Friday, 10 June 2016 12:25 (nine years ago)

lol @ crut but really lg otm this is like the time tony blair said "you are the weakest link goodbye" In parliament except that weirdly everybody isn't rolling their eyes at how unbelievably lame it was

mario vargis loosa (wins), Friday, 10 June 2016 12:35 (nine years ago)

i think possibly a dimension ppl are missing here is that it was a simple, snarky remark in defense of beloved president obama - obv it's not all that and this thread, despite having some good payoff, was probably a little ott but the well executed use of the meme from an unexpected source (like how everyone laughs loudly when the pastor tells a so-so joke) in defense of obama that doubled as incidentally really good advice for trump made it in the moment kinda lol.

Mordy, Friday, 10 June 2016 12:38 (nine years ago)

The fun thing is that it works. Warren just said it also!!!

Frederik B, Friday, 10 June 2016 12:39 (nine years ago)

it's a v small detail but imo it would have been a more credible attempt without the period

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 10 June 2016 12:43 (nine years ago)

just cos i started the society in the gutter thread doesn't mean i don't get to lambast society once or twice a year...

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 10 June 2016 12:47 (nine years ago)

i didn't used to feel the need but sadly that's no longer the case. and the way things are going you can expect a lot more criticism from me.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Friday, 10 June 2016 12:57 (nine years ago)

ME N' BUBBA-BOO VACAY'D WITH THE KISSINGERS HERE; HADDA (COMMON COURTESY)

http://blog.netrobe.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Tortuga-Bay.jpg

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/02/hillary-clinton-kissinger-vacation-dominican-republic-de-la-renta

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 June 2016 13:29 (nine years ago)

TEAM OBAMA LAYS DISTINGUISHED SERVICE FLARE ON HENRY (COMMON COURTESY)

http://images.military.com/media/news/people/henry-kissinger-award-ts600.jpg

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 June 2016 13:36 (nine years ago)

great he's run out of pictures of clinton to post and is just posting random pictures of people who aren't clinton posing with kissinger

got any photos of kissinger at studio 54? those are always fun.

hypnic jerk (rushomancy), Friday, 10 June 2016 13:44 (nine years ago)

ALL IN DA SAME GANGGGGGGG

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 June 2016 13:49 (nine years ago)

is that supposed to be patois? are you doing that because you mentioned the Dominican Republic, and you think that's how they speak there?

pacific distances (sciatica), Friday, 10 June 2016 13:57 (nine years ago)

I'M HIL AND I'M A PILL
DELETE YOUR ACCOUNT HAHAHA

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 June 2016 13:58 (nine years ago)

No Kissinger + Snoop Dogg photos found. :-(

King Nagl (Eazy), Friday, 10 June 2016 13:59 (nine years ago)

btw that's Sec of Warmaking Ash Carter, rusho; brush up

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 June 2016 14:02 (nine years ago)

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_yTKMtQM27Q/UoliDAKolJI/AAAAAAAALzQ/1xkX63vixPQ/s640/blogger-image-1254834007.jpg

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 June 2016 14:04 (nine years ago)

here's doom with a dope rap about kissinger

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRMyYP3T0NE

hypnic jerk (rushomancy), Friday, 10 June 2016 14:11 (nine years ago)

this post is a friendly reminder that if you don't emphatically vote against Trump this November then you don't actually care about the oppressed

ejemplo (crüt), Friday, 10 June 2016 14:28 (nine years ago)

trenchant social media commentary

yellow despackling power (Will M.), Friday, 10 June 2016 14:28 (nine years ago)

my write-in for Lupe Fiasco will be emphatic AND 'phat' as i like to abbreviate it

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 June 2016 14:32 (nine years ago)

"Lupe Fiasco?"

It's "Wolf Scandal," speak American ya dummy

yellow despackling power (Will M.), Friday, 10 June 2016 14:34 (nine years ago)

I really hope Morbs does write in Lupe since dude is only 34

STOP KILLING ANIMALS, THEY'RE MINT (DJP), Friday, 10 June 2016 14:36 (nine years ago)

i know that, constitutional bullshit doesn't stop Obama and Hil, why should it stop me

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 June 2016 14:38 (nine years ago)

it didn't stop victoria woodhull

hypnic jerk (rushomancy), Friday, 10 June 2016 14:44 (nine years ago)

can you name some examples of the "constitutional bullshit" that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton violated?

ejemplo (crüt), Friday, 10 June 2016 14:50 (nine years ago)

at one point the Constitution wouldn't have let either of them vote

STOP KILLING ANIMALS, THEY'RE MINT (DJP), Friday, 10 June 2016 14:53 (nine years ago)

still doesn't let me vote smh

Montreal's Finest (Will M.), Friday, 10 June 2016 14:56 (nine years ago)

you guys are mistaking me for someone who wants a 'serious' dialogue here when i have linked my last Intercept articles

srsly u gotta be fuckin' kiddin, talk to Snowden and the other whisdtleblowers plz

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 June 2016 15:00 (nine years ago)

when i have linked my last Intercept articles

thank God for small mercies

STOP KILLING ANIMALS, THEY'RE MINT (DJP), Friday, 10 June 2016 15:01 (nine years ago)

ugh thanks morbs for the fucking reminder why i swore not to look at political threads on ilx

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 10 June 2016 15:03 (nine years ago)

de nada

really good luck, ants, i'll be shakin my head when im dead

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 June 2016 15:04 (nine years ago)

with my luck, you'll still be posting

the world over the crotch. (contenderizer), Friday, 10 June 2016 15:10 (nine years ago)

nice! one in a row

btw i dont own property i wdnt have been able to vote either #EndlessHarvardCondescension

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 June 2016 15:12 (nine years ago)

There was a brief moment in time when this was a good thread

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Friday, 10 June 2016 15:40 (nine years ago)

the clinton = kissinger trope is a really weird one to me even by internet standards. like, clinton already was secretary of state for four years, and she spent the whole four years slavishly imitating one of her predecessors in the position- except it wasn't kissinger, it was brzezinski!

sorry, you may return to your twitter sonning.

hypnic jerk (rushomancy), Friday, 10 June 2016 15:42 (nine years ago)

we will always have HIRALLY CLIMPS

we should all delete our account (Will M.), Friday, 10 June 2016 15:44 (nine years ago)

"delete your account" vs any one of morbius's dusty off-the-peg comebacks which is lamer

mario vargis loosa (wins), Friday, 10 June 2016 15:46 (nine years ago)

Morbs ham-fistedly and humorlessly derailing a thread that is already clowning Hillary is really some next level Morbs.

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Friday, 10 June 2016 15:55 (nine years ago)

I don't care if you're white black a bitch or a fucking bum off of the streets. If you campaign about helping people, smoking blunts, protecting the environment, building infrastructure, and whatever else, I'll vote you for president. If you campaign about your girl, but you focus on her looks, fuck you. If you campaign about a wall and how you'll hurt migrant workers, fuck you. If you campaign about your campaign greatness or some equally egotistical bullshit, fuck you. That basically how I break it down to an extent.

how's life, Friday, 10 June 2016 16:06 (nine years ago)

^obviously not in the spirit of the original

how's life, Friday, 10 June 2016 16:07 (nine years ago)

Always love when "the constitution" is invoked by people who have never read its law or even the document itself.

normcore strengthening exercises (benbbag), Friday, 10 June 2016 16:12 (nine years ago)

Is it a thing? I thought it was just a feeling, or a secret handshake or something I never really thought about it.

Evan, Friday, 10 June 2016 16:13 (nine years ago)

always love when a constitutional law prof becomes president and expands Bush-Cheney warrantless surveillance; flexible dude

yeah man alive, that cutting satire of her interns' tweeting style was next-level Swiftian brilliance by you guys, what the fuck was i thinking?

we can be heroes just for about 3.6 seconds (Dr Morbius), Friday, 10 June 2016 16:20 (nine years ago)

another ILX thread where we list all the old ILX memes > The Bill of Rights

ejemplo (crüt), Friday, 10 June 2016 16:32 (nine years ago)

wow the internet exploded? i must have missed that

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 10 June 2016 16:47 (nine years ago)

the bill of rights is like an oil well on the champs-elysses

hypnic jerk (rushomancy), Friday, 10 June 2016 17:01 (nine years ago)

what the fuck was i thinking?

No one has yet seen proof of any thought at all. You are an endlessly replicating series of irritable jack-off gestures.

Don Van Gorp, midwest regional VP, marketing (誤訳侮辱), Friday, 10 June 2016 17:08 (nine years ago)

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Friday, 10 June 2016 17:17 (nine years ago)

We have flag post.

Mark G, Friday, 10 June 2016 17:31 (nine years ago)

idgi

Οὖτις, Friday, 10 June 2016 17:33 (nine years ago)

who invited yngwie

hypnic jerk (rushomancy), Friday, 10 June 2016 17:41 (nine years ago)

That's an old meme you dorks.

how's life, Friday, 10 June 2016 17:44 (nine years ago)

Its a long one..

Mark G, Friday, 10 June 2016 17:45 (nine years ago)

kiddo

F♯ A♯ (∞), Friday, 10 June 2016 17:48 (nine years ago)

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/navy-seal-copypasta

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Friday, 10 June 2016 18:20 (nine years ago)

trump can't make his face turn into a heart or some such

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Friday, 10 June 2016 18:22 (nine years ago)

What in Davy Jones’ locker did ye just bark at me, ye scurvy bilgerat? I’ll have ye know I be the meanest cutthroat on the seven seas, and I’ve led numerous raids on fishing villages, and raped over 300 wenches. I be trained in hit-and-run pillaging and be the deadliest with a pistol of all the captains on the high seas. Ye be nothing to me but another source o’ swag. I’ll have yer guts for garters and keel haul ye like never been done before, hear me true. You think ye can hide behind your newfangled computing device? Think twice on that, scallywag. As we parley I be contacting my secret network o’ pirates across the sea and yer port is being tracked right now so ye better prepare for the typhoon, weevil. The kind o’ monsoon that’ll wipe ye off the map. You’re sharkbait, fool. I can sail anywhere, in any waters, and can kill ye in o’er seven hundred ways, and that be just with me hook and fist. Not only do I be top o’ the line with a cutlass, but I have an entire pirate fleet at my beck and call and I’ll damned sure use it all to wipe yer arse off o’ the world, ye dog. If only ye had had the foresight to know what devilish wrath your jibe was about to incur, ye might have belayed the comment. But ye couldn’t, ye didn’t, and now ye’ll pay the ultimate toll, you buffoon. I’ll shit fury all over ye and ye’ll drown in the depths o’ it. You’re fish food now.

a (waterface), Friday, 10 June 2016 18:23 (nine years ago)

The fact that so many books still name the Beatles as "the greatest or most significant or most influential" rock band ever only tells you how far rock music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Rock critics are still blinded by commercial success. The Beatles sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music

frogbs, Friday, 10 June 2016 18:25 (nine years ago)

rawrr

flappy bird, Friday, 10 June 2016 18:26 (nine years ago)

i have a snake. thank u very much!

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 10 June 2016 19:08 (nine years ago)

The fact that so many books still name the Beatles as "the greatest or most significant or most influential" rock band ever only tells you how far rock music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Rock critics are still blinded by commercial success. The Beatles sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music

― frogbs, Friday, June 10, 2016 1:25 PM (49 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

is this an old meme?

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Friday, 10 June 2016 19:16 (nine years ago)

countdown til Hillary tells Trump exactly what is wrong with him and calls it a read

we should all delete our account (Will M.), Friday, 10 June 2016 19:17 (nine years ago)

i think we can see how this is going to go. clinton is going to bust out with the grandma memes, like to the point where she's indistinguishable from a "maxine" cartoon, and the actual zing-busting will be left to the guy in the white house who's had nothing to do for the last two years but brush up on his insult comedy skills.

hypnic jerk (rushomancy), Friday, 10 June 2016 19:22 (nine years ago)

Donald Trump!!! Hey!!! Donald Trump!!! You know, I think you should build a wall. In fact it's going to be a really great wall. A terrific wall. FOR ME TO POOP ON!

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Friday, 10 June 2016 19:28 (nine years ago)

Hillary can i get your daughter chelse clintons Email

hillary can i get your daughter email why because she look influncing

we should all delete our account (Will M.), Friday, 10 June 2016 19:34 (nine years ago)

👌👀👌👀👌👀👌👀👌👀 good shit go౦ԁ sHit👌 thats ✔ some good👌👌shit right👌👌there👌👌👌 right✔there ✔✔if i do ƽaү so my self 💯 i say so 💯 thats what im talking about right there right there (chorus: ʳᶦᵍʰᵗ ᵗʰᵉʳᵉ) mMMMMᎷМ💯 👌👌 👌НO0ОଠOOOOOОଠଠOoooᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒᵒ👌 👌👌 👌 💯 👌 👀 👀 👀 👌👌Good shit

bitcoin bajas (diamonddave85), Friday, 10 June 2016 19:34 (nine years ago)

om nom nom

flappy bird, Friday, 10 June 2016 19:35 (nine years ago)

i can haz presidency?

flappy bird, Friday, 10 June 2016 19:35 (nine years ago)

Trump referred to Warren as "Pocahontas" on Twitter Friday after the senator criticized him in a speech Thursday night. Warren tweeted back at him, "No, seriously -- Delete your account."

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Friday, 10 June 2016 19:43 (nine years ago)

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i255/mikro112/federer_gifs/bh_smash.gif

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Friday, 10 June 2016 19:43 (nine years ago)

Here's hoping "Delete your account" becomes the official Clinton campaign slogan.

Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Friday, 10 June 2016 20:05 (nine years ago)

Its just so unfunny, witless. Meme or not.

Daithi Bowsie (darraghmac), Friday, 10 June 2016 20:07 (nine years ago)

pippa's arse, reminder of better times

μpright mammal (mh), Friday, 10 June 2016 20:14 (nine years ago)

how much does trump make in bennies

a self-reinforcing downward spiral of male-centric indie (katherine), Friday, 10 June 2016 20:21 (nine years ago)

can't decide if this is too trench

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13445535_10156920333290304_7405224173220841835_n.jpg?oh=109a7e3f747c6a8ba488ab3bd7e4f5c5&oe=580FA6FF

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Friday, 10 June 2016 20:22 (nine years ago)

ACCOUNTUM DELENDA EST

a 47-year-old chainsaw artist from South Carolina (Phil D.), Friday, 10 June 2016 20:23 (nine years ago)

lol

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Friday, 10 June 2016 20:23 (nine years ago)

i am rubber you are glue

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 10 June 2016 20:47 (nine years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Saturday, 11 June 2016 00:01 (nine years ago)

sonned in presidential election beef

Johnny Cage - 4'33" Fatality (King Boy Pato), Saturday, 11 June 2016 00:13 (nine years ago)

Congratulations! All of you are cooler than Hillary Clinton. We should all be so lucky.

a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Saturday, 11 June 2016 00:55 (nine years ago)

genius.it/www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/06/delete-your-account/486494

germane geir hongro (s.clover), Saturday, 11 June 2016 03:09 (nine years ago)

http://genius.it/www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/06/delete-your-account/486494 even

germane geir hongro (s.clover), Saturday, 11 June 2016 03:09 (nine years ago)

oh, stubbypaws

slugbuggy, Saturday, 11 June 2016 03:26 (nine years ago)

All your base are belong to us, obv

normcore strengthening exercises (benbbag), Saturday, 11 June 2016 04:58 (nine years ago)

Congratulations! All of you are cooler than Hillary Clinton. We should all be so lucky.

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Friday, June 10, 2016 8:55 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Probably the least cool thread on ilx right now

normcore strengthening exercises (benbbag), Saturday, 11 June 2016 04:58 (nine years ago)

All your base are belong to us, obv

― normcore strengthening exercises (benbbag), Friday, June 10, 2016 11:58 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I thought she didn't need the base

socka flocka-jones (man alive), Saturday, 11 June 2016 05:05 (nine years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Sunday, 12 June 2016 00:01 (nine years ago)

Faust Arp.

Mark G, Monday, 13 June 2016 06:25 (nine years ago)

http://i67.tinypic.com/2guh6cn.jpg

Gaz Coombes? He's not British or something, is he? (Display Namf oh shit), Monday, 13 June 2016 16:17 (nine years ago)

five months pass...

weird that she lost the election

diary of a mod how's life (wins), Monday, 28 November 2016 13:27 (eight years ago)

https://twitter.com/i_zzzzzz/status/733518431740252160

ciderpress, Monday, 28 November 2016 13:38 (eight years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoXDe8HxHBA

Einstein, Kazanga, Sitar (abanana), Monday, 28 November 2016 13:39 (eight years ago)

pertinent: http://gizmodo.com/the-democratic-party-needs-to-stop-using-reaction-gifs-1789368312

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 14:42 (eight years ago)

The Democrats' Response to Four Years of Trump Presidency is Perfect

duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, 29 November 2016 14:48 (eight years ago)

six months pass...

US oligarch Hillary Clinton assailed as witless drunkard for ignoring province of Wisconsin.

Marshal Kim Jong-Un accounts for all provinces pic.twitter.com/bHDdhivSW2

— DPRK News Service (@DPRK_News) June 1, 2017

it's just locker room treason (Sanpaku), Friday, 2 June 2017 00:38 (eight years ago)

three months pass...

This gets to something I tweeted about yesterday: being "Still With Her" is just... why? You can like her, etc., but it's over. pic.twitter.com/vyUCj5jNfj

— Parker Molloy (@ParkerMolloy) September 4, 2017

j., Monday, 4 September 2017 23:51 (seven years ago)

so how close are we to nikes and kool aid with these people

flappy bird, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 00:00 (seven years ago)

peter daou has totally drank the hillary nikes

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 00:02 (seven years ago)

this is the ultimate cosmic galaxy brain hillary take, idk if another civilian can top this

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHdEo3ZUAAAA8tz.jpg

flappy bird, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 00:09 (seven years ago)

bwahahaa

mh, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 00:48 (seven years ago)

So is she running again? It makes complete sense but I just can't wrap my head around it.

louie mensch (milo z), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 00:54 (seven years ago)

daou at least has the excuse that he's riding the #stillwithher wave all the way to the bank. what's @resisting_dad_2012 getting out of it that he can't get by taking a side in the kanye/taylor beef and commenting on that?

k3vin k., Tuesday, 5 September 2017 00:55 (seven years ago)

This is pathetic

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 00:55 (seven years ago)

I read some of that Parker Malloy thread, and I have to admit I find some of the responses sympathetic -- I sort of get why #stillwithher resonates with a larger sense of wrongedness. Nonetheless, imo it is a depoliticized, centrist wrongedness that has more to do with entitlement and individualized success narratives than feminism or justice. Let the purge continue!

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 01:25 (seven years ago)

So is she running again? It makes complete sense but I just can't wrap my head around it.

― louie mensch (milo z), Monday, September 4, 2017 8:54 PM (fifty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

of course she isn't

Treeship, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 01:55 (seven years ago)

I don't want to carry water for Peter Daou, who I think is just aggressively and spitefully score-settling for no good reason, but "Still With Her" makes perfect sense to me. There are tens of millions of people who were really enthusiastic about Hillary Clinton being President, because they endorse her politics and because they believe she has the personal qualities to have done a good job. I'm one of those people. I accept that it didn't happen, I accept it's not gonna happen, I accept that lots of people I like and respect didn't want it to happen. It's not even "wrongedness." You don't deserve to be President unless you win the election, and she didn't win.

But those millions of people want to signal somehow their resistance to history adopting a story in which Clinton lost because she's a crook, or a liar, or a cheat, or a person who everybody just instinctively hates. I'm not a hashtagger and I would never type "#StillWithHer" or wear the T-shirt or sport the bumper sticker. But I get it.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 02:36 (seven years ago)

I don't think she was a crook or liar or cheat, and not really a person who everyone "instinctively hates" although she wasn't super-likeable either. But #stillwithher suggests to me a replacement of personality for politics. I mean so does #feelthebern to an extent, but at least I feel like Bernie stands for a politics that goes beyond having a good resume.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 02:41 (seven years ago)

to be fair, i imagine that for many or most clinton supporters, #stillwithher expresses the politics they endorse and still fight for, as in eephus's account above, and it's #feelthebern that stands only for personality.

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 03:09 (seven years ago)

Hillary is serving shade in her new book and I am HERE for it pic.twitter.com/qmNHqfQeAR

— Dr. Indica Sativa (@ByYourLogic) September 4, 2017

wow hillary really not learning any lessons huh

k3vin k., Tuesday, 5 September 2017 03:10 (seven years ago)

I saw that excerpt & realized Felix B had tweeted it - you sure that's real? Still taking it in

flappy bird, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 03:12 (seven years ago)

Lol i am... insane. bye

flappy bird, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 03:14 (seven years ago)

lol of course it's not real

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 03:15 (seven years ago)

listen.... she's the one that made the "CPT" joke. she was the one chilling in Cedar Rapids. america is already great. tell us about your student loan debt in three emojis or less. bernie thinks money is illegal

flappy bird, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 03:23 (seven years ago)

to be fair, i imagine that for many or most clinton supporters, #stillwithher expresses the politics they endorse and still fight for, as in eephus's account above,

Yeah, this exactly. "Still With Her" means (as I would use/understand it) -- she lost, fair and square, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't try to enact her politics, which means mobilizing a wave of popular support for ACA, which means getting your friend to run for school board or state legislature or doing it yourself, which means throwing sand in the gears of the GOP machine in a hundred small ways, which means being open and direct about your progressive commitments with friends who may not share them, which means trying to live a politics that fundamentally doesn't care much about who has a bigger dick or who dominated who.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 03:39 (seven years ago)

Judging from the people who tweet #stillwithher, it very much does not encompass accepting that she lost "fair and square." It gets used a lot alongside claims of a "stolen election" that is "rightfully hers." This is the part I find a little gross, the focus on the true queen and rightful heir to the throne.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 03:52 (seven years ago)

yeah, the whole Verrit thing is insane & the only people that are still #StillWithHer in the sense that they're, uh, using that hashtag, they're all insane and think everyone is a Russian agent and Bernie is Satan and they just can't even with 45/Drumpf/Cheeto Jesus.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 04:01 (seven years ago)

I mean I gotta be fair, I don't really have any claim to what it means given that I'm not one of the people who uses it! I feel it, though, and the above is what I mean when I feel it. If that makes sense.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 04:08 (seven years ago)

yes, it does make sense. i voted for her, not begrudgingly either. i'm just pissed at her and probably always will be.

flappy bird, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 04:12 (seven years ago)

what does that get you?

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 04:18 (seven years ago)

nothing. not gonna pretend it wasn't her's to lose and dance a jig. but i'm not actively pissed, it's been 10 months, it's latent now. whenever she resurfaces, like the book or Verrit, it's such a joke that it stymies any talk of her ever running for office ever again

flappy bird, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 04:23 (seven years ago)

should've titled her book "Look What You Made Me Do"

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 10:42 (seven years ago)

Srsly dyou remember this tho

Aside from tragedy of it all, dyou remember when she said that and ppl went nuts.

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 11:46 (seven years ago)

eephus, you could put "democrat and proud" on a shirt and encompass your points a lot better than "stillwithher"

I think the problem is people are fucking nuts, put way too much weight on the presidential election as an indicator of their political involvement, and won't stop beating that drum

I do know people who are going to city council meetings, run for elected positions, work in the state legislature, and it's incredibly seldom they sound anything whatsoever like the hashtag weirdos

a bunch of them caucused for O'Malley in the Iowa caucuses, too, so it's not even like assholes can tar them as "bernie bros" or whatever their strawman of the day is

mh, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 14:20 (seven years ago)

lmao 'subtly savage'

flappy bird, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 17:14 (seven years ago)

This book is gross.

DPRK Nowitzki (lpz), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 17:23 (seven years ago)

"subtle" is alliterative with "sack of shit," curiously

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 17:28 (seven years ago)

remember, she takes "full responsibility" for losing.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 17:32 (seven years ago)

the conflation of sanders, who stepped into the party to run in the primary, with "bernie bros", and implying they didn't represent a demographic the democrats should be courting, is maddening

the main lesson of the primary season was that there were a number of people who wanted to hear a strong, goal-oriented message as part of a platform. it was one of the more heartbreaking pieces of the Obama years, people who genuinely thought Obama would be able to do everything he set out to do when presidential power isn't absolute

incredibly few americans pay attention to the presidential race just to hear "we'll compromise in the legislature and use the process to further our mostly-centrist goals" and that's exactly what the campaign kept delivering instead of realizing you have to actually make people believe in something

mh, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 18:25 (seven years ago)

l'm pretty disgusted by the few excerpts that have come out from this book.

Even if she feels that universal health care and free college are "ponies" and that Sanders cost her the election by seeking to broaden the Overton window too abruptly.... what does she gain by emphasizing that now, and possibly alienating this cresting wave of young progressives from the Democratic party? What does America gain from that?

Treeship, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 22:15 (seven years ago)

Teach them game

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 22:17 (seven years ago)

Bill Clinton and Obama as the last two democratic presidents really pushed the democrats too far in the direction of personality cult, and Hillary basically tried to build on that without being as appealing a personality. As mh points out above, politics neither starts nor ends at the presidency, and the people more likely to be doing the real work seem less likely to be hashtagging (although tbf I know some stillwithher types who are also very politically active locally)

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 22:21 (seven years ago)

what does America gain from caring so much about Hillary Clinton at this point in time, whether you supported her or not? this is just two counterfactuals away from caring about how Obama handled Katrina.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 22:25 (seven years ago)

I care little about Hillary. It's Hillary and her people who keep bringing her back up at this point. Did she really need to write a book length post mortem about her loss?

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 22:27 (seven years ago)

At the very least her alluding to this nonsense shows her fourth-rate political skills.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 22:29 (seven years ago)

Hmm... People say Hillary is "the past" but within 24 hours of her @Verrit endorsement, we have more followers than @CHAPOTRAPHOUSE.

— Peter Daou (@peterdaou) September 5, 2017

crüt, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 22:29 (seven years ago)

If twitter was around in 2000 I wonder if there would be a #StillWithAl movement.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 22:31 (seven years ago)

Al found something else to do and is still working hard on climate change awareness!

mh, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 23:16 (seven years ago)

#Bradleywouldhavewon

President Keyes, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 23:22 (seven years ago)

#jfklives

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 23:23 (seven years ago)

#YouWillNotCrucifyMankindUponACrossOfGold

.oO (silby), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 23:27 (seven years ago)

#shewasshitting

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 23:39 (seven years ago)

#HillarysBodyDouble

flappy bird, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 02:20 (seven years ago)

Hmm... accidentally promoting your opponent in all capital letters in a botched attempt to sound superior. there is a metaphor there somewhere.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 03:00 (seven years ago)

dear Hil, you still ain't called or wrote
i hope you have a chance
i ain't mad, i just think it's fucked up you don't answer fans pic.twitter.com/htfA2m8yP8

— andrew (@IllyBocean) September 6, 2017

j., Thursday, 7 September 2017 02:44 (seven years ago)

i just posted this on another thread but

pic.twitter.com/cgpLHPJjLF

— 🍍 Dollars Horton 🍍 (@crushingbort) September 6, 2017

flopson, Thursday, 7 September 2017 03:42 (seven years ago)

left twitter vs the daou, it's the lazy meme battle you never knew you wanted. can all these people drown in a lake of piss?

remember when we protested in the streets over the travel ban? those were the days

El Tomboto, Thursday, 7 September 2017 03:57 (seven years ago)

you know you're right, there haven't been any protests for months. none

flappy bird, Thursday, 7 September 2017 04:06 (seven years ago)

ah yes leftists vs. the concept of protesting in the streets, that age-old conflict

qualx, Thursday, 7 September 2017 04:57 (seven years ago)

leftists are still out there, it's the libs who, for the most part, stopped showing up when trumpshock wore off

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 7 September 2017 05:35 (seven years ago)

Why is pep guardiola a hilstan

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Thursday, 7 September 2017 07:30 (seven years ago)

This book is dynamite.

I'm reading Hillary's book and it gives me a new appreciation of how hard she fought to win the election: pic.twitter.com/l7ISDSmuTf

— Pixelated Boat (@pixelatedboat) September 5, 2017

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 7 September 2017 08:01 (seven years ago)

Would read

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Thursday, 7 September 2017 08:26 (seven years ago)

leftists are still out there, it's the libs who, for the most part, stopped showing up when trumpshock wore off

Seems a little like confirmation bias, here. I mean, how could one possibly know the political ideology of all or even most of the people protesting in Charlottesville or Boston or whatever?

rock and roll tucci coo (voodoo chili), Thursday, 7 September 2017 09:28 (seven years ago)

I think the most important thing any of us could be doing right now is reinforcing the endless internecine conflict between leftists and liberals; as the last few days have shown, twitter isn't enough anymore

El Tomboto, Thursday, 7 September 2017 12:00 (seven years ago)

I feel pretty comfortable making that inference based on the people I know who participated in the Women's March and nothing else since. xp

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 7 September 2017 12:08 (seven years ago)

Well there can only be one reason they stopped going to protests with people like you, and we all know what it is!

El Tomboto, Thursday, 7 September 2017 12:15 (seven years ago)

Liberals vs the left is an even worse meme than 'delete your account'.

how's life, Thursday, 7 September 2017 12:59 (seven years ago)

This book is dynamite.
I'm reading Hillary's book and it gives me a new appreciation of how hard she fought to win the election: pic.twitter.com/l7ISDSmuTf
— Pixelated Boat (@pixelatedboat) September 5, 2017
― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, September 7, 2017 4:01 AM (four hours ago

this is the best part about twitter

k3vin k., Thursday, 7 September 2017 13:02 (seven years ago)

how's life otm

crüt, Thursday, 7 September 2017 13:09 (seven years ago)

agreed

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 7 September 2017 13:17 (seven years ago)

"but her emails" is also a really sad, pathetic and irritating meme.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 7 September 2017 13:17 (seven years ago)

how the fuck is the left/liberal schism a "meme"

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 7 September 2017 13:59 (seven years ago)

Because it happens almost exclusively on Twitter by accounts with names like @KrangTNelson and @pixelatedboat,

rock and roll tucci coo (voodoo chili), Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:07 (seven years ago)

people on the centrist/dnc/ex-campaign staff side reducing every argument to "you guys aren't really democrats"

people jokingly saying "liberals hate leftists more than fascists"

mh, Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:08 (seven years ago)

fwiw I'm close to the point where I think state parties should get more autonomy and campaign *with* the democrats at a national level, with the national platform being just a clear, concise list of points... and they actually get someone to write policy that states can use

after seeing yet another round of Koch-funded, pre-written legislation pass through a bunch of conservative state governments, I'm really thinking that just maybe we're missing something when it comes to coordination and it's not happening from the top down

mh, Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:12 (seven years ago)

people jokingly saying "liberals hate leftists more than fascists"

Whether you agree with that statement or not, I'd wager most of the people saying that earnestly believe it.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:14 (seven years ago)

I'm going to need a verrit code for that claim

mh, Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:18 (seven years ago)

many people also believe that white christians are the most persecuted group in america

rock and roll tucci coo (voodoo chili), Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:44 (seven years ago)

my personal take is that hillary clinton and bernie sanders are great and peter daou and @pixelatedboat are terrible

vote for me, america

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:53 (seven years ago)

Because it happens almost exclusively on Twitter

I'm not sure what this means other than "most high-octane political shouting occurs on social media."

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:57 (seven years ago)

"but her emails" is also a really sad, pathetic and irritating meme.

no it is hilarious

j., Thursday, 7 September 2017 15:01 (seven years ago)

I don't think most people literally believe "liberals hate the left more than fascists," it's just a way of expressing frustration at the liberal tendency to do both-sidesism in the face of fascism, and to be so hesitant to make coalition with the left in general.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Thursday, 7 September 2017 15:05 (seven years ago)

xp it's funny if you like laughing at people thinking that's a fun sarcastic rejoined, or if you actually think it's a good response to people getting disenfranchised and having their lives fucked up

mh, Thursday, 7 September 2017 15:06 (seven years ago)

rejoinder, darn autocorrect

mh, Thursday, 7 September 2017 15:07 (seven years ago)

*sees a group of white nationalists say they feel empowered by Trump*

I turn to my friends, all of us very rational, nice people, including one man who voted for Trump but has been very repentant.

"but her emails!" I whisper and he looks visibly ashamed

mh, Thursday, 7 September 2017 15:08 (seven years ago)

jumping on the centrist dem scold train now are we

j., Thursday, 7 September 2017 15:09 (seven years ago)

I don't think most people literally believe "liberals hate the left more than fascists," it's just a way of expressing frustration at the liberal tendency to do both-sidesism in the face of fascism, and to be so hesitant to make coalition with the left in general.

afaict corey robin legit 100% believes this tho iirc it's in the context of that the liberals see the left as a legitimate threat and fascism as a fake threat. i think he also admitted that the left hates liberals more than fascists in the same post i'm thinking of (that i'm too lazy to deep dive for right now)

Mordy, Thursday, 7 September 2017 15:10 (seven years ago)

i found it anyway - http://coreyrobin.com/2016/03/20/historically-liberals-and-the-left-have-underestimated-the-right-today-they-overestimate-it/

While liberalism has often loathed the right, it has not always been sufficiently attuned to developments on the right. Its attentions are too often focused in the other direction. So fraught has been its relationship to the left, it has often ignored or overlooked the shape-shifting power of the right. Till it was too late.

The left has not been entirely blameless in this. It, too, has been engaged in a two-front war: against liberalism and the right. On the ground, and in the streets, the left has understood the power of the right, but up in the more rarefied precincts of political theory, intellectual debate, and elite party argument, the left has often, and catastrophically, construed liberalism to be its greatest and only enemy. Even at a moment like the present in the United States—when liberalism, at least as it has been historically understood in the United States, has been in abeyance, or at best, has played second fiddle—the left has tended to focus on the failures and betrayals of liberalism.

What liberalism and the left have in common, in other words, is an insufficient appreciation of the right. What made that lack of appreciation understandable, historically, was that the left—whether in the form of socialist parties, communist internationals, militant trade unions, social movements, and the like—had some real power and traction on the ground. It was understandable for liberals to be more focused upon—and fearful of—the left, which often seemed ready to march right over the liberal middle. So was it understandable for leftists to be more focused upon—and pissed off at—liberalism, which often seemed ready to betray the left.

Mordy, Thursday, 7 September 2017 15:12 (seven years ago)

dunno if this is a us/uk thing but i never saw people separate "the left" and "liberals" until post-trump. it feels strange to me seeing "liberals" used as a pejorative by both the right and the left, and not in entirely different ways.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 7 September 2017 15:53 (seven years ago)

this is definitely not a new thing tho maybe wider exposure and newer contexts. for example tensions btwn the communists and the liberals contributed to the nazi party winning in 1932 (they got 33% of the vote while the SPD got 20% and the KPD got 16% - in Nov but similar story in July). there's a whole thing i made a thread on this once: social fascism - it's mostly quotes but there's lots of good stuff in there

Mordy, Thursday, 7 September 2017 15:58 (seven years ago)

awesome, the stage is set for the nazis.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:02 (seven years ago)

BUT WHAT of women communists? Among the major parties in the Weimar Republic, the KPD held the dubious distinction of having the fewest female members and attracting the fewest female voters. Women ranged from 9.1 percent of party members in July 1920 to 16.5 percent of party members in 1929. For many women, the KPD’s combative poli- tics may have seemed too masculine and belligerent. The party presented itself as a body of young, male, muscle-rippled proletarian workers. The party’s activities—armed uprisings, violent strikes, militant demonstrations, and uniformed marches—also reflected its masculine self-image. The KPD shunned any image of itself as soft or feminine. Indeed, in the communist literature of the period, these qualities characterized the enemy. Social democrats were depicted as old, fat, impotent, and female, while communists were invariably virile, tough, and male. In addition, the KPD conveyed ambiguous images of women. Although the party preached a rhetoric of women’s emancipation, party propaganda frequently depicted women as “objects of sympathy and pathos.” But the communist press also circulated images of the “proletarian new woman.” In many ways like her male counterpart, she was, as one historian has written, “youthful, healthy, slender, athletic, erotic.”6 Neither image may have appealed to the hard-pressed, hard-working proletarian woman of the 1920s. Finally, the KPD focused little attention on tradi- tional women’s issues. The party assumed that the problems that women faced, just like all other social problems, would be resolved by the coming revolution.

some srs deja vu

Mordy, Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:02 (seven years ago)

xp i've started coming around to the idea that trump is a tremendous gift - that things could've been (and could continue to become) much worse under a more ambitious, intelligent, and charismatic figure. if trump lets america get its fascist dalliance out without u kno massive civil violence then it could be a bit like draining the blood from a finger nail with a needle. otoh it could just be an entree and if the currents aren't satiated with trump they could just come back w/ straight up out and out blood + soil racial fascism w/out compromise. i'd like to believe it won't happen and trump will discredit the "alt right" for a while but smarter ppl than me think that the alt right can just cut ties w/ trump and still maintain political advantages. i guess it depends on whether you think the alt right was just a fringe phenomenon that participated in but didn't drive trump's election - or if you think trump was elected bc of the ideologies expressed by the alt right (and adopted by more moderate voters) in which case trump could be a disappointment setting up for a more "heroic" figure to step in. (i'm leaning towards the former fwiw.)

Mordy, Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:08 (seven years ago)

wait why am i writing all of this in the hillary meme thread wtf

Mordy, Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:09 (seven years ago)

Pre-Trump I definitely saw people on US twitter separating Liberals from the Left all the time!!! And this very much maps onto UK politics too.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:30 (seven years ago)

It became necessary when the LibDems began rubber-stamping austerity and Labour centrists later indicated they'd be happy to keep waiving it through if it meant getting elected.

Matt DC, Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:32 (seven years ago)

the libtard dems and the loony left corbynistas or the SDP and michael foot's labour

conrad, Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:35 (seven years ago)

Pre-Trump I definitely saw people on US twitter separating Liberals from the Left all the time!!! And this very much maps onto UK politics too.

i don't believe this.

it may "map" onto uk politics but that doesn't mean it's always happened or been a part of it. overall i think it's damaging. the idea of being a liberal is worth preserving - and is more clearly defined.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:36 (seven years ago)

Social or economic liberal though?

Matt DC, Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:37 (seven years ago)

not sure either "the left" or "liberals" can be divided clearly based on economics.

they can be united p easily on social issues. speaking from a uk perspective, generally.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:39 (seven years ago)

British political parties, particularly the LibDems, never really resolved the internal tension between economic and social liberalism (and between economic liberalism and social democracy), and it blew up in their faces. In the New Labour era it was very easy to conflate the three if you weren't asking too many difficult questions of yourself, as a lot of people didn't.

Matt DC, Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:39 (seven years ago)

Depends on which accounts you follow. I am going back to Bernie's campaign (been on twitter for about two years)

As for the UK that left/lib split was always there, dormant until Corbyn came along. We are waaayyyy past beyond the point of whether it might be damaging or not, LG. xps

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:44 (seven years ago)

it's definitely on the rise - i don't have the twitter tools to check but like many things it was sort of rare and then all of a sudden some dude you went to school with is tweeting about "liberals" as an other.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:47 (seven years ago)

and it's not about a split having always existed in political terms - it's about a growing split that becomes part of the popular consciousness. i wouldn't say we're past the point of it being damaging - let's see how "the left" and "liberals" do in the next elections.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:49 (seven years ago)

It's a dumb binary to set up but so was liberal-conservative really. I'd class a lot of people here as on the left and most of them as liberals as well (except Gulag Jules here maybe).

Matt DC, Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:59 (seven years ago)

Labour is well ahead of Lib Dems, if that's what you mean by next elections. That isn't going to change any time soon. Uncle Vince or a Centrist party isn't going to do anything. As labour is covering Europe in a fuzzy and yet progressive way around worker rights etc. that isn't offering the Lib Dems any opening.

Its a split along both economy and anti-imperialist lines (the latter is even more worrying for the right). Left and libs share something that might be akin to something humane. xps lol its not a dumb binary, its along a specific set of policies. That's why you see this split on twitter, it isn't just some art project by "Pixalated Board" or "Hippo". It comes from a politics.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:04 (seven years ago)

Pixelated Boat, I must get the name of this v important and valuable political commentator right.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:06 (seven years ago)

yeah you're right, there is no threat from those people

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:09 (seven years ago)

more like Pixelated Butt

Neanderthal, Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:11 (seven years ago)

lol its not a dumb binary, its along a specific set of policies. That's why you see this split on twitter, it isn't just some art project by "Pixalated Board" or "Hippo". It comes from a politic

how can you even speculate as to how specific it is? you've spoken to everyone who tweets this memeified binary?

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:12 (seven years ago)

my personal take is that hillary clinton and bernie sanders are great and peter daou and @pixelatedboat are terrible

Pixelated Boat is at least intentionally funny.

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:13 (seven years ago)

the prob isn't that some liberals don't have valid points about the capitulation of centrist/watered-down Democrats, it's that they always espouse it in a "I know more than you, look at how woke I am" fashion that nauseates everybody

Neanderthal, Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:13 (seven years ago)

or don't espouse them in any detail at all

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:16 (seven years ago)

easier to just rt some memes about "liberals" than risk explaining your pov lest the jerry-built unity with your own side disintegrates

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:17 (seven years ago)

not sure either "the left" or "liberals" can be divided clearly based on economics.

Yeah I'm not sure leftist derision of "liberals" in the UK maps quite right, feels like it's been adopted from US discourse? Like I would call them "centrists" not "liberals", and think of myself as a liberal, albeit a left-wing one.

Colonel Poo, Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:17 (seven years ago)

how can you even speculate as to how specific it is? you've spoken to everyone who tweets this memeified binary?

Sorry to break it to you, its not a meme. If it was you wouldn't be panicking about it.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:18 (seven years ago)

what age are you?

i accept that for many there's an earnest argument there, but for others i'm not so sure - feels fairly certain when arguments travel so quickly around a medium like twitter, but i'm glad you think literally anyone who rts a thing understands that thing in the same way you do, it must be nice to be optimistic.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:21 (seven years ago)

there's a local BernieBro here (who is wite btw) who kept saying Clinton would be just as bad as Trump and it's ok that we're in the state that we're in as we're moving the party to the Left and "hey Bernie woulda won". privilege just cakes every one of his posts.

Neanderthal, Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:22 (seven years ago)

dumb people of all political stripes exist

k3vin k., Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:28 (seven years ago)

I am very old, LG.

Yes, I have read a lot of it and have arrived at an understanding of this stuff, sure. Its not a twitter thing - its come about from the outside, i.e. a breakdown of a political system and an argument on how to fix things and how to go about it.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:34 (seven years ago)

feels like there's enough material here for an actual thread devoted to it

mark s, Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:36 (seven years ago)

my point is that the idea spreads wildly regardless of whether everyone shares your views, again, i'm not denying there are historical arguments you believe in. and my wider point is just that i worry that these fissures will mean the tories/trump in power for the foreseeable.

xpost

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:39 (seven years ago)

LG, the Tories have managed most of their time in power since '97 due to a coalition with the Liberals and they are barely there now. And this left/liberal as a split has helped Labour get more votes so I am not sure what the argument here is really?

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:48 (seven years ago)

nick clegg's liberal democrats are not the defining owners and embodiment of the word "liberals". for labour to get into power they need to do better than they did this election. are you certain that will happen?

this left/liberal as a split has helped Labour get more votes

if that's your summary of the latest election then by all means believe it. seems hard to be sure.

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:52 (seven years ago)

xyz can you make your username Gulag Jules

flopson, Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:52 (seven years ago)

i'm fascinated by how many non-Americans are participating in this thread & USA politics threads in general. like, what stake does Fred have in any of this? americans have no idea how any political system works outside of their own. why isn't that the case abroad? feel like the answer is... right in front of me... but... i can't... reach it

flappy bird, Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:54 (seven years ago)

the americanisation of everyone else's politics is a whole other thread!

Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:57 (seven years ago)

american politics have a pretty massive impact on canada, it's tough not to care or track it closely

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:57 (seven years ago)

Of course May's campaign was terrible, but she might've gotten away with it hadn't the Labour manifesto - which was the culmination of the left/liberal split in Labour - hit the spot.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:59 (seven years ago)

let's make these other threads!! i agree with LG that american politics doesn't map especially well onto UK politcs and don't see much arising from its discussion here except further mystification

jules gulag is so named bcz that is where he is ending up when if i become all-powerful left dictator, we established this on on the brexit thread

mark s, Thursday, 7 September 2017 18:00 (seven years ago)

as an american idiot, i would like to learn about how other countries perceive american politics and how their own politics are influenced by it

flappy bird, Thursday, 7 September 2017 18:01 (seven years ago)

US and UK politics don't map but there are interesting bits of commonality between Democrats and Labour, and their factional splits. I am looking at the DSA and the like through twitter.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 September 2017 18:08 (seven years ago)

DSA are doing a much better job of wedding idpol and economic concerns than the Dems are. if they cared to reconcile those things they'd be taking notes.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 7 September 2017 18:09 (seven years ago)

US politics have the biggest budget, and the jokes and special effects are better.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 September 2017 18:10 (seven years ago)

DSA might be doing a better job although it also feels like a left pressure group on the Democrats (?) (Kamala Harris is supporting single payer now, that kind of thing), whereas verrit is Clintonism fucking off the map (Hilary's book is nothing more than this month's news), etc.

Its interesting to follow from far away and only feel like ever posting like now because I can map a few bits here and there.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 September 2017 18:22 (seven years ago)

left pressure on Dems is a nice side effect but I think their long term goal is building a viable third party. even at current growth rates that would take at least a decade I'd imagine

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 7 September 2017 18:23 (seven years ago)

A lot of people who enthusiastically voted for Corbyn's programme would self-identify as liberal or liberals without being classical liberals or economic liberals or ostensible 'progressives' with a kind of bourgeois indifference to structural inequalities. Any leftish vision that doesn't have social liberalism (the kind that really matters*) at its heart is useless in modern Britain. This shit matters because social liberalism is currently under attack from *within the left*, by which I don't mean a few twatty Vice journalists or jaunty Twitter Marxists but by the miserable state of our immigration 'debate', including within the Labour Party and the guff coming out from the likes of Paul Mason in recent months. So it does piss me off when I see people using 'liberal' as a reductive pejorative without thinking.

I suppose the old liberal-conservative binary reflected a world where the big economic questions were broadly seen as 'settled' and the dividing political lines were on social issues. Equally useless in a post-financial crisis world, and maybe Clinton found herself on the wrong side of that historical divide.

*Of course we're through the looking glass now where economic liberalism is being dismantled from the right and what's coming will probably be worse, we might be nostalgic for it before too long.

Matt DC, Thursday, 7 September 2017 18:26 (seven years ago)

xp

i don't really think the DSA is aiming to become a viable third party, just become a large enough interest group that the dems have to listen to them, a la the Tea Party. Our first-past-the-post political system renders third parties impractical. Our country has been a two-party system since the days of the anti-federalists and the federalists.

rock and roll tucci coo (voodoo chili), Thursday, 7 September 2017 18:31 (seven years ago)

Verrit and Daou, Joy Reid, others seem like this completely fucked up self-congratulatory posse that are divorced from policy and the dialogue about where the democrat party should be. The DNC's main problem was that it didn't matter how effective you are or whether you actually are good at legislation, it's 100% a question of whether you are a Good Democrat. The people I've mentioned, it's some subset of that where it's whether you're the right kind of Good Democrat, which is specifically linked to one failed presidential run.

This same sort of thing happens at other levels -- I've talked to a number of friends who are disillusioned with state party politics because whether or not you become the candidate for a state position is completely contingent on how well-liked you are within party leadership. As if your stances and background only matter if everyone likes you at the monthly meetings, when those are very insular and divorced from what's happening on the ground.

mh, Thursday, 7 September 2017 18:33 (seven years ago)

Yeah I don't think the DSA should aim for forming a third party, and I don't think they are. Would take way too long like you said Simon, and time is precious. Tea Party analogy is otm. They've already had an impact on potential candidates w/ Kamala Harris supporting single payer.

flappy bird, Thursday, 7 September 2017 18:33 (seven years ago)

Clintonites sniping & dismissing & slandering leftists & Bernie supporters is/was incredibly disgusting to see. True colors

flappy bird, Thursday, 7 September 2017 18:34 (seven years ago)

The DSA exists specifically as a left pressure group, we have a Socialist Party (that, 15 years ago, was about equal in size to the DSA - not sure how it's tracked since then and the DSA has definitely exponentially outpaced it in the last year).

The DSA should remain a pressure group, a leftist big tent. There will never be a viable third party nationally and the goals of a third party locally/regionally can be accomplished inside the Dems.

louie mensch (milo z), Thursday, 7 September 2017 18:35 (seven years ago)

like Debbie Wasserman Schultz is insanely mediocre as a legislator, likes to advocate for payday loan businesses (one of the most predatory, evil businesses) and was still head of the DNC just because she'd made it there and Obama forgot to fire her

mh, Thursday, 7 September 2017 18:35 (seven years ago)

I mean, look no further than Joy Ann Reid, Joan Walsh, Neera Tanden, Peter Daou, Sady Doyle, & others using "alt-left" before & after the election. And then - just like "Fake News" - their own stupid slur got used against them by Trump.

flappy bird, Thursday, 7 September 2017 18:36 (seven years ago)

Obama never cared about the DNC; he didn't need it for his elections. And here we are.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 September 2017 18:36 (seven years ago)

maybe when they hit 50k paid members we should give them a dedicated thread but a growing majority of the DSA membership are too radical to settle for being a left pressure group forever

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 7 September 2017 18:37 (seven years ago)

sorry, xp to myself

DSA as a group nurturing candidates and endorsing them is useful because they have strong policy stances and advocating for candidates that share those values is good.

There are other groups that friends have dealt with that are less policy-based and more invested in teaching people how to run for office, and how to work around established channels that are also ascendant right now. Because the traditional channels are just so stagnant.

mh, Thursday, 7 September 2017 18:38 (seven years ago)

Obama never cared about the DNC; he didn't need it for his elections. And here we are.

― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, September 7, 2017 1:36 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Exactly. The main failure of Obama, as far as party politics went, was he didn't want to dirty his hands with them. Ideally he would have gutted the DNC, as is the prerogative of a democrat president. But he had his own effective organization that stayed separate.

Organizing For Action is much less of a presence than I wish it was, but I will give them credit for doing what their name implies. Every email message has had a distinct "this is the issue, here is what's happening, here is who to call/where to vote/what to do" pattern. The most I've gotten from most of the DNC (or the DCCC, which is another tangle I can't unravel) is "this is bad, you should know it's bad."

mh, Thursday, 7 September 2017 18:41 (seven years ago)

A lot of people who enthusiastically voted for Corbyn's programme would self-identify as liberal or liberals without being classical liberals or economic liberals or ostensible 'progressives' with a kind of bourgeois indifference to structural inequalities. Any leftish vision that doesn't have social liberalism (the kind that really matters*) at its heart is useless in modern Britain. This shit matters because social liberalism is currently under attack from *within the left*, by which I don't mean a few twatty Vice journalists or jaunty Twitter Marxists but by the miserable state of our immigration 'debate', including within the Labour Party and the guff coming out from the likes of Paul Mason in recent months. So it does piss me off when I see people using 'liberal' as a reductive pejorative without thinking.

I suppose the old liberal-conservative binary reflected a world where the big economic questions were broadly seen as 'settled' and the dividing political lines were on social issues. Equally useless in a post-financial crisis world, and maybe Clinton found herself on the wrong side of that historical divide.

*Of course we're through the looking glass now where economic liberalism is being dismantled from the right and what's coming will probably be worse, we might be nostalgic for it before too long.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 7 September 2017 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It doesn't really matter whether people identify as Liberal or Tory or whatever. By casting a vote for Labour at the last election all these people were voting for a more left-wing programme than we've had in a long-time. Again, that programme would not have been produced by Chuka Umunna or Yvette Cooper. The left vision has the socially liberal and progressive wihtin it to me. Last time I checked I didn't see Paul Mason wholly speaking for the left.

The most grown-up talk from any politician on immigration comes from Diane Abbott, on the left, who has been elevated to a position where she can speak and be listened to on this issue in a way that would not have been possible if Liberals were at the top of Labour. You'd have Jess Philiips instead, who is rn sipping tea in Jacob Rees-Mogg's castle. This castle -- along with Sixtus' crib -- will hopefully be nationalised in the next Labour government.

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 7 September 2017 18:46 (seven years ago)

"I mean, look no further than Joy Ann Reid, Joan Walsh, Neera Tanden, Peter Daou, Sady Doyle, & others using "alt-left" before & after the election. And then - just like "Fake News" - their own stupid slur got used against them by Trump."

I'm not a fan of any of those people but the idea that Trump got "alt-left" from any them is one of them is extremely silly. Hannity was using it all the time. It's open ended term that could obviously mean lots of thing. Also are we calling "fake news" a slur? A lot on the left were maybe overly dismissive of the concept when we know it's a real thing that can at the very least be recognized as a factor in what happened.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 7 September 2017 19:08 (seven years ago)

People were dismissive of the fly by night fake blogs because the articles did not look like real news (that is, vetted traditional media sources) to anyone who understood what a newspaper looks like or actual television reporter sounds like. When Trump and company started using the phrase, it was targeted at the exact opposite: traditional media outlets that he disagreed with.

So yeah, "fake news" as used by Trump is a slur, the actual thing it was referring to prior to him appropriating it as doublethink was completely false crap churned out for clicks or by actual propagandists

mh, Thursday, 7 September 2017 19:14 (seven years ago)

Yeah I get that distinction. My point was taking issue with what I quoted (which disregards that distinction in a nonsensical way and seems to blame democrats for calling out fake news as a problem for why Trump started using it.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 7 September 2017 19:27 (seven years ago)

well in the initial WaPo piece in late November 2016 where they first pushed "Fake News," they included The Intercept as an example. It was a dirty term to begin with.

flappy bird, Thursday, 7 September 2017 19:30 (seven years ago)

But of course Trump amplified it

flappy bird, Thursday, 7 September 2017 19:30 (seven years ago)

as an american idiot, i would like to learn about how other countries perceive american politics and how their own politics are influenced by it

― flappy bird, Thursday, September 7, 2017 6:01 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You're in for a wooooorld of hurt tbh

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 7 September 2017 20:23 (seven years ago)

9/11 anniversary coming up iirc

j., Thursday, 7 September 2017 20:40 (seven years ago)

http://www.theonion.com/article/clinton-already-working-follow-book-casting-blame--56870?utm_content=Main&utm_campaign=SF&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 8 September 2017 00:40 (seven years ago)

lmao

flappy bird, Friday, 8 September 2017 01:20 (seven years ago)

mh did you actually write "democrat party"?
Gtfo forever

President Keyes, Friday, 8 September 2017 01:47 (seven years ago)

Yes it was clearly a dogwhistle to appeal to ILX's many conservatives

Treeship, Friday, 8 September 2017 01:51 (seven years ago)

Oh solved then

President Keyes, Friday, 8 September 2017 01:53 (seven years ago)

ime 99% of rl uses of democrat party instead of democratic party is due to awkwardness of the latter / brevity of the former and the speaker/writer doesn't even know about the derogatory implication

Mordy, Friday, 8 September 2017 01:59 (seven years ago)

https://pics.me.me/its-an-older-code-sir-but-it-checks-out-quiekmeme-com-24511126.png

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 8 September 2017 02:58 (seven years ago)

ime 99% of rl uses of democrat party instead of democratic party is due to awkwardness of the latter / brevity of the former and the speaker/writer doesn't even know about the derogatory implication

that may be true for 99% of ilx uses, but come on, in the real world it's something conservatives say all the time to puff up their chests

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 8 September 2017 03:11 (seven years ago)

i've never actually heard a conservative irl say "democrat" w/ an infliction that suggested that meant it derogatorily

Mordy, Friday, 8 September 2017 03:14 (seven years ago)

They've probably never heard it a different way

President Keyes, Friday, 8 September 2017 03:20 (seven years ago)

lmao @ going after pixelatedboat of all people as the symbol of leftist twitter

qualx, Friday, 8 September 2017 03:21 (seven years ago)

Me, a cooler ant researcher (smoking a cigarette): I see things like this all the time. This is normal to me. https://t.co/p3ZeEakksv

— Pixelated Boat (@pixelatedboat) August 30, 2017

qualx, Friday, 8 September 2017 03:22 (seven years ago)

*to the tune of Saturday Night's Alright For Fighting*
🎶Anime, anime, anime/
Anime, anime, anime🎶

— Pixelated Boat (@pixelatedboat) May 30, 2016

qualx, Friday, 8 September 2017 03:22 (seven years ago)

pixboat is the best twitter btw

qualx, Friday, 8 September 2017 03:22 (seven years ago)

classic forever for

The whole internet loves Milkshake Duck, a lovely duck that drinks milkshakes! *5 seconds later* We regret to inform you the duck is racist

— Pixelated Boat (@pixelatedboat) June 12, 2016

louie mensch (milo z), Friday, 8 September 2017 03:53 (seven years ago)

There's another site where you can go to for this kind of stuff, I forgot what it's called though

El Tomboto, Friday, 8 September 2017 03:57 (seven years ago)

Fetlife?

louie mensch (milo z), Friday, 8 September 2017 03:59 (seven years ago)

Pornhub?

El Tomboto, Friday, 8 September 2017 04:06 (seven years ago)

Tumblr. Wait. Genius dot com. No. Ends with an er.

El Tomboto, Friday, 8 September 2017 04:07 (seven years ago)

http://twiddler.com/

El Tomboto, Friday, 8 September 2017 04:08 (seven years ago)

Verrit..er?

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 8 September 2017 04:09 (seven years ago)

Holy shit. This made it into this (now corrected) Guardian article: https://t.co/3NLDnLTA63 (Hat tip to @LorneFranks who screencapped it) pic.twitter.com/Gbh6q4MOwC

— Pixelated Boat (@pixelatedboat) January 25, 2017

qualx, Friday, 8 September 2017 04:13 (seven years ago)

lmao @ going after pixelatedboat of all people as the symbol of leftist twitter

sorry, that was me and I was just going off that one tweet quoted above my comment, I don't actually have any idea who pixelatedboat is but if they're the creator of the milkshake duck joke they're undeniably classic on at least some dimensions

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 8 September 2017 04:43 (seven years ago)

Democrat party
Democratic party

I mean. This is a flashpoint?

Ye wonder why yere fucked.

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Friday, 8 September 2017 07:12 (seven years ago)

demoRAT party

louie mensch (milo z), Friday, 8 September 2017 07:22 (seven years ago)

I'd apologize for my lack of a copy editor for the fiftieth time but I'm stuck here wondering if apologizing for my malapropism use will rescind my gtfo order

mh, Friday, 8 September 2017 13:28 (seven years ago)

Alan... I'm sorry

mh, Friday, 8 September 2017 13:29 (seven years ago)

I'd also like to say I'm sorry.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Friday, 8 September 2017 13:40 (seven years ago)

Some would consider being ordered out of a Hillary meme thread a blessing

President Keyes, Friday, 8 September 2017 17:21 (seven years ago)

i've never actually heard a conservative irl say "democrat" w/ an infliction that suggested that meant it derogatorily

― Mordy, Thursday, September 7, 2017 11:14 PM (yesterday)

have you ever watched a political talks how? Conservatives revel in it. It's a mixture of "beatnik" and "bowel movement."

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 September 2017 17:34 (seven years ago)

i did say irl

Mordy, Friday, 8 September 2017 17:35 (seven years ago)

Conservatives revel in it.

Proves once more that the schoolyard practice of saying any word scornfully enough turns it into an insult. "Oh, so your daddy is the president of a bank, huh?"

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 8 September 2017 17:50 (seven years ago)

what an interesting example you've chosen

qualx, Friday, 8 September 2017 18:10 (seven years ago)


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