The 70s/80s Horror Franchise Poll: Freddy vs. Jason vs. Chucky vs. Pinhead vs. Leatherface vs. Michael Myers vs. Everybody Else

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Which franchise was the all-around best? Limited to franchises where first film was released between Night of the Living Dead (1968) and 1990, with at least 2 sequels released to theaters.

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Night of the Living Dead/Dawn of the Dead/Day of the Dead 10
Phantasm 5
Nightmare on Elm Street 4
Evil Dead 4
Friday the 13th 3
Halloween 2
The Excorcist 1
Child's Play 1
Amityville Horror 1
Hellraiser 1
The Omen 1
Poltergeist 0
It's Alive 0
Texas Chainsaw Massacre 0
Children of the Corn 0
House 0
Maniac Cop 0
The Howling 0
Return of the Living Dead 0
Basket Case 0
Other 0


Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 17:34 (eight years ago)

my heart belongs to Phantasm

and the Gove maths out Raab (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 17:37 (eight years ago)

NoES seems like the one that delivered most consistently, even though the best NoES film(s) aren't a patch on the peaks of some of the other franchises.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 17:38 (eight years ago)

Evil Dead or the Romero trilogy probably the most consistent in terms of quality/tone/repeat watching for me, maybe. House/House II not a bad pair, but nowhere near the quality of some of these others. Love the first two Phantasms but haven't seen all of the rest. Hellraiser fell right off a cliff, real fast.

a 47-year-old chainsaw artist from South Carolina (Phil D.), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 17:43 (eight years ago)

this was prompted by a friend of mine diligently rewatching all the Hellraiser films in order fwiw

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 17:48 (eight years ago)

might be a subcategory for which of these had the strongest late-series entries (probably Child's Play)

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 17:49 (eight years ago)

FWIW, Night of the Living Dead has between three and five sequels, depending on what you consider a sequel (but all directed by Romero). That might be my winner, inasmuch as I love the first three and even the fourth is pretty good (still haven't seen the two spin-off things). NoES an easy second favorite.

Basket Case and It's Alive benefit from keeping the series short and, in Henenlotter and Cohen, retaining the same maniac of a director throughout. Evil Dead wins on those terms, as well.

Exorcist is almost up there. 3 is great, 1 is of course one of the GOAT. The Schrader version of the fourth one is okay, but The Heretic is such a terrible movie it drags the whole series down several notches.

Most of these series produced one or two decent movies if they were lucky. Some didn't even reach that low of a threshold.

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 17:49 (eight years ago)

prob gonna vote nightmare, between 1, 3, and new nightmare

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 17:52 (eight years ago)


this was prompted by a friend of mine diligently rewatching all the Hellraiser films in order fwiw

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, July 12, 2016 12:48 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I've undergone this exercise in masochism with several of these series I'm steering well clear of Hellraiser. I reluctantly made it as far as the fourth and I think I'm all good.

might be a subcategory for which of these had the strongest late-series entries (probably Child's Play)

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, July 12, 2016 12:49 PM (45 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, for sure. The first two sequels are increasingly terrible (and the first movie is pretty shitty, too, tbh) but the last half of the series is greatly improved.

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 17:53 (eight years ago)

clearly remember ditching work one afternoon to go see Bride of Chucky in the theater, was pleasantly surprised

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 17:56 (eight years ago)

I recently watched Omen III for the first time in like 30 years on Netflix and it was so bad. Just so, so bad.

a 47-year-old chainsaw artist from South Carolina (Phil D.), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 17:59 (eight years ago)

might be a subcategory for which of these had the strongest late-series entries (probably Child's Play)

ooh i've never managed to get to the later sequels bc 2 is soooo bad

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:08 (eight years ago)

i'm also inclined to vote friday out of how much affection i have for 4

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:10 (eight years ago)

Friday is unusual in that the first film is not actually the best one (4 is far and away the best)

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:10 (eight years ago)

Bride and Seed are totally campy good fun, def recommended

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:11 (eight years ago)

(Bride of Chucky and Seed of Chucky, that is)

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:11 (eight years ago)

Omen III may blow but its score is one of the best things Jerry Goldsmith ever did

Exorcist 2 is awesome

Was going to traverse the hellraisers last year but I hated 2 so much I couldn't go on.

scarcity festival (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:15 (eight years ago)

Hellraiser 3 has this transcendent moment of a woman getting her digital skin ripped off and inhaled by Pinhead while he's trapped in a statue.

http://www.i-mockery.com/halloween/greatest/pics/hellraiseriii6.gif

a 47-year-old chainsaw artist from South Carolina (Phil D.), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:17 (eight years ago)

Bride and Seed are the best Chucky movies but I do also recommend the most recent Curse of Chucky. It's tonally different from the rest of the series inasmuch as it's going for a legit creepy vibe and is somewhat successful. And it stars Brad Dourif's daughter!

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:23 (eight years ago)

Hellraiser 2 was the first 18 rated film i saw at the cinema and i was only 15 so i have enormous affection for it. but The Omen is the best horror movie ever made so has to be that.

piscesx, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:27 (eight years ago)

weird undocumented story from Child's Play wiki page

During the initial release, a large crowd of protesters formed at the main entrance of MGM calling for a ban on the film because, they claimed, it would incite violence in children. Local news reporters from two TV stations were broadcasting live from the scene. The producer, David Kirschner, was watching the demonstration on TV and was disturbed. Jeffrey Hilton, who had been working in Kirschner's office at MGM, indicated that he could quell the disturbance in 10 minutes. While Kirschner was watching from the safety of his office, Hilton spoke to the group's leader and shook his hand. The group instantly dispersed, much to the chagrin of the newscasters. Hilton did not reveal to Kirschner whether it had been a threat or simple diplomacy that saved the day.

mizzell, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:30 (eight years ago)

Exorcist II has the fastest moving trailer i've ever seen. and dance sequences.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFspymGVZLY

and Christ, Burton looks absolutely knackered.

piscesx, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:31 (eight years ago)

Ohhhhhhhh, I just thought of another series: The Stepfather. Guessing we probably wouldn't have many votes for that one, though.

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:35 (eight years ago)

of course you couldn't see Child's Play 3 over here for a long time. it was 'banned' for various insane bullshit reasons.

http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/ed_censorship_video_nasties_newspaper_story_scans_06.jpg

piscesx, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:36 (eight years ago)

Daily Mirror made a good call imo.

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:36 (eight years ago)

Are the later Reanimator films straight to video.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:44 (eight years ago)

?

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:44 (eight years ago)

Are any late-period installments (3 or later) of any of film these series worth watching at all:

Hellraiser
Howling
Children of the Corn

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:46 (eight years ago)

I had no idea there was more than one Re-Animator sequel.

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:46 (eight years ago)

yeah I thought there was just Bride of ReAnimator (which is quite good iirc)

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:48 (eight years ago)

children of the corn 3: urban harvest i'd say is one of the most batshit things i've ever seen, highly recommended

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:48 (eight years ago)

I've kinda always wanted to see that

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:48 (eight years ago)

I know there's a pretty wicked melting scene in one of the later Howling movies but there's a good chance that that's the high point.

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:49 (eight years ago)

I've put CotC 3 in my mental queue. I hope when I watch it that I'm not too mentally taxed by trying to piece together what I missed in CotC 2.

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 18:52 (eight years ago)

i wonder if these sequels to Corn, Re-Animator etc ever made any real money.

piscesx, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:22 (eight years ago)

voted Phantasm

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:23 (eight years ago)

xpost They might have. I can imagine there's a pretty decent profit margin on movies that were made for $14.

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:26 (eight years ago)

HOWLING 2 YOUR SISTERS A WITCH is really amazing but HOWLING 3 THE MARSUPIALS is a legit great fucking movie!!!!

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:31 (eight years ago)

The subtitle of the third Howling has always been intriguing in a dumb way. "The Howling 4: The Ungulates, huh, okay explain this to me."

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:36 (eight years ago)

lol

O, Barack: flaws (wins), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:39 (eight years ago)

is 3 set in Australia

O, Barack: flaws (wins), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:40 (eight years ago)

so much goodness in that list. I went with Romero stuff in the end.

Drop soap, not bombs (Ste), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:51 (eight years ago)

2 and 3 are Australian

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 19:55 (eight years ago)

went w/ NOES. it's the only case where i have some affection for the entire franchise, not just certain films.

romero's zombie trilogy is undeniably better but seems a different sort of thing to me.

oculus lump (contenderizer), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:00 (eight years ago)

picked Phantasm cuz it's the same creative team throughout, the first 2 are stellar and the others arent bad AND you can't beat that weird mythology.

kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:15 (eight years ago)

Romero's Dead first trilogy is very strong. it might be cheating since they never tried to make them every year or so.

Texas Chainsaw Massacre is possibly the scariest 'conventional' horror movie i've seen.

I enjoy watching this smarmy jerkface's reviews of late sequels in B-rate franchises I will never watch.

remove butt (abanana), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:19 (eight years ago)

Romero's Dead trilogy, but agree that it shouldn't really apply.... If we're talking franchises I'd have to say Evil Dead/Army of Darkness/Ash/etc... For straight horror though I'm going to go with Halloween, first three are pretty good (first great even) although it trails off badly after that.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 20:30 (eight years ago)

Hm, I was the one who proposed the Romero trilogy, and I think it will be my vote (Evil Dead may have won if I had actually got round to seeing Army of Darkness). Am interested in why people think it shouldn't apply? To me it's totally an exemplar of the 70s-90s franchise thing, though it doesn't go as all-in cash-in as some of the others.

emil.y, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 21:15 (eight years ago)

Movies are too spaced out, too auteur-y, and fairly non-commercial by comparison to the others on the list which almost all quickly left the hands their creators and devolved into yearly exercises in exploitation.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 21:49 (eight years ago)

I read a long essay last year about the homo undertones in Nightmare on Elm Street 2 b/c the actor is queer or something. Is the movie any good? I've seen the first and third.

The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 21:53 (eight years ago)

So basically they're too good to be on the ballot?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

emil.y, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 21:53 (eight years ago)

xp

emil.y, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 21:54 (eight years ago)

I would say they're just not the same sort of films (even if on the surface they might appear to be). I would argue that 1984 isn't really science fiction either though.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 21:57 (eight years ago)

The queerness in NoES2 comes out of more than simply the lead actor being gay (wait'll you see the S&M scene), though his obvious queerness is a contributing factor. As a queer 80s horror flick, I probably like it slightly less than the following year's even more loaded Vamp, but I'd say its worth a watch.

rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 22:01 (eight years ago)

It's not like I'm some sort of "every genre poll is open to everything" person, I specifically think that the ...Dead films fit the template.

- too spaced out

Okay, yeah, they are fairly spaced out. 17 years in comparison to ED's 11 is actually significant (and most of the others probably got churned out much faster). But honestly I can't see why this is a good reason to discount them.

- too auteur-y

ED trilogy made by the same person. Basket Case also same director all the way through. Clive Barker certainly worked on the second Hellraiser (no idea about 3). I associate Craven heavily with all the NoES films but tbh I couldn't tell you how many he actually did, so fair enough.

- fairly non-commercial

I'm not sure I buy this at all. Growing up I knew as much about these films as I did about most of the others, and way more in comparison to like, It's Alive(as in, I still have no idea what this is).

emil.y, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 22:14 (eight years ago)

(Also may be worth noting that I am avoiding posting in the UK politics threads because I think I might explode so having a mini-sparring match about horror is my safety outlet, sorry.)

emil.y, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 22:17 (eight years ago)

It's Alive(as in, I still have no idea what this is).

Larry motherfuckin Cohen is what it is

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 22:20 (eight years ago)

Oh, I just looked it up, it's the killer baby film. Haven't seen it but I am aware of its existence, yes.

emil.y, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 22:22 (eight years ago)

voted for Evil Dead based on consistency

Darin, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 23:04 (eight years ago)

I've never seen It's Alive and have such ridiculously high hopes for it now that I'm sure I'll be disappointed.

Darin, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 23:06 (eight years ago)

It's Alive 3: Island of the Alive is the best of the three.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 23:13 (eight years ago)

ok that wasn't something I was expecting to hear

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 July 2016 23:14 (eight years ago)

It's Alive is genuinely fantastic. One of the best opening 10-15 minutes of any horror flick ever, for sure. If Cohen hadn't started working with Michael Moriarty, I like to imagine we'd have seen John P. Ryan in Q and The Stuff.

a 47-year-old chainsaw artist from South Carolina (Phil D.), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 23:28 (eight years ago)

It's Alive 3: Island of the Alive is the best of the three.

― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Tuesday, July 12, 2016 6:13 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Thank you for expressing the most correct opinion itt. It's my favorite because it's the Cohen-est. The purest expression of id. Similar to Basket Case 3 being the most Henenlotter-ish and therefore my favorite.

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 23:41 (eight years ago)

Those two and Seed of Chucky would make for a pretty fantastic gonzo horror marathon.

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 23:42 (eight years ago)

ok that wasn't something I was expecting to hear
--Οὖτις

Lol it's true.

For Island of the Alive (1987), Cohen recruited Michael Moriarty, an actor who had previously starred in Cohen's Q (1982) and The Stuff (1985), and was also filming A Return to Salem's Lot with Cohen that same year. The mutated babies have been placed on a desert island by court order. The person responsible for them, Jarvis (Michael Moriarty), leads an expedition to free the children. The cast includes Laurene Landon of Maniac Cop, and James Dixon returns as Lt. Perkins.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Tuesday, 12 July 2016 23:44 (eight years ago)

Franchises I've seen, ranked: Romero's Dead (based on and actually having seen only the original four) > Nightmare on Elm Street (saw 'em all, only rate the first four) > Child's Play (saw 'em all, only really dig the final three) > Exorcist (saw 'em all, ranked entirely on the strength of 1 and 3) > Basket Case (all good, all batshit) > It's Alive (all good, all batshit) >>>> Hellraiser (really like the first two but 3 and 4 are terrible and have no interest in investigating further) >>>>>>>>> Halloween (saw 'em all but Resurrection, first two are decent but not much more really, third is batshit and pretty good, the rest are barely watchable)

(Honorable mention for Evil Dead, which I somehow only just saw the first two installments of last year and which were so awesome my mind is still processing how to rank them among my tried and true faves.)

Franchises for which I like the first movie and have seen at least one sequel and for which I would prefer to forget any sequels exist, ranked: Poltergeist, Texas Chainsaw Massacre (although I guess I should give 2 another shake someday), Return of the Living Dead, House

Franchises I'll probably bite the bullet and watch in their entirety this Halloween-time because I already have them in my possession and so why not: Friday the 13th (I don't actually like any of the ones I've seen except Jason Goes To Hell so I don't know why I would watch any more of them except maybe because of underexamined self-loathing), Amityville (first one is actually pretty good, will probably regret going further), Phantasm (first is great, second is ehhhhhh)

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 01:31 (eight years ago)

damn y'all forgot the leprechaun series

nomar, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 02:09 (eight years ago)

I've actually seen 14 of the first films in these series, more than I would have guessed, but probably not half that many of the sequels. So I won't vote. Isn't Evil Dead the only one to yield two acclaimed films?

clemenza, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 02:15 (eight years ago)

reasons i excluded romero's zombie series from my consideration:

1) most of the poll options could be dismissed by nonbelievers as "crappy 80s horror franchises". the 70-90 kickoff and 2 sequel minimum all but guarantee that. and though a few others do skirt a full wallow in period cheese (notably the omen and exorcist films), they're not really on my radar. romero's zombie trilogy starts in the late sixties, six years prior to any other series listed here, and it includes only one "cheesy 80s" entry.

2) like the exorcist and alien films, night of the living dead and its first two sequels are too critically well-respected to provide interesting competition for the likes of the friday the 13th, halloween and nightmare on elm street franchises (to say nothing of it's alive and children of the corn). not coincidentally, they're also much more pointedly critical in theme than the other series listed.

oculus lump (contenderizer), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 02:22 (eight years ago)

I forgot that Dawn of the Dead is an acclaimed film (don't know about Day)...I didn't care for it when it came out, but I should look at it again. Night is brilliant.

clemenza, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 02:24 (eight years ago)

Some other misses:

Jaws
Sleepaway Camp
Ghoulies (that's right in III they go to college thanks a fucking lot Bernie Sanders "free college for all" my ass)
Puppet Master

I guess you could include Fulci's Gates of Hell or Argento's Three Mothers trilogies but I'm sort of biased against them for similar reasons as Romero's Dead probably.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 02:25 (eight years ago)

Yeah Dawn of the Dead is nearly as acclaimed (and as good) as Night of the Living Dead. Day is definitely considered a drop in quality.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 02:26 (eight years ago)

i suggested fulci's gates of hell trilogy in the run-up thread, but it didn't make the cut.

oculus lump (contenderizer), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 02:29 (eight years ago)

Thing with Exorcist (and Jaws and Alien) is that it successive sequels really do start descend into full exploitation (and I love some of these sequels btw don't get me wrong). I think that qualifies the series as a whole even if in all three cases the original films are definitely a cut way way above most of the films on this list.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 02:33 (eight years ago)

Shit. Fuckin' Critters got dissed, too.

There sure was a lot of this crap.

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 05:05 (eight years ago)

the Romero movies are the best of this lot for their consistency but several of the initial installments here are among my favorites of the genre -- TCM, Hellraiser, the Exorcist, the Omen. But really, I think there needs to be a distinction between a franchise that at some point justifies itself and the sort of "somebody will pay for this, somewhere" no-hope cynicism of stuff like the direct-to-video late Hellraiser movies

The bald Phil Collins impersonator cash grab (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 11:54 (eight years ago)

For those who were unaware and who are interested in an alternate universe continuation of Hellraiser where the no-hope cynicism was constrained to the narrative itself, Barker ultimately wrote a Hellraiser comic series for a happier world where nothing more than the first two movies existed (and which also continued the story from Lord of Illusions).

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 12:26 (eight years ago)

Voted Friday the 13th, not because it's the 'best' but because it prob comes closest to my platonic ideal of 'horror movie franchise' (post-Universal or Hammer, anyway) - distinctive lead villain/anti-hero, obvious debt to giallo (in this case, Bava's Bay of Blood), and adherence to a formulaic narrative structure that grows more pleasing - or more cosily familiar - w/ repeated repetition. Somewhere in America, horny teenagers will always be going to summer camp to fuck, smoke dope, get slaughtered.

Foster Twelvetrees (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 13:14 (eight years ago)

oof Leprechaun series def an oversight (even if I doubt anyone would have voted for it). Had no idea there were more than a couple each of Ghoulies and Sleepaway Camp, or I would've included them too. Jaws doesn't really pass the horror-franchise test to me, seems more like old-school monster movie maybe...? Puppet Master didn't occur to me cuz I never actually saw any of those

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 15:33 (eight years ago)

Somewhere in America, horny teenagers will always be going to summer camp to fuck, smoke dope, get slaughtered.

new rolling horror thread title

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 15:34 (eight years ago)

Jaws doesn't really pass the horror-franchise test to me, seems more like old-school monster movie maybe...?

I mean this is splitting hairs, but I don't think there is a terribly significant different between the Jaws franchise and most of the stuff on here.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 16:05 (eight years ago)

certainly not by the time you get to jaws 2, which isn't far from a slasher flick. to say nothing of jaws 3-D...

oculus lump (contenderizer), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 16:08 (eight years ago)

figure anything even remotely horrorish that got an 80s-era part "3D" is by definition in the ballpark: amityville 3-D, friday the 13th part 3: 3D

oculus lump (contenderizer), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 16:11 (eight years ago)

hah fair enough

but I'm not doing this poll over just so Morbz can vote for Jaws

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 16:16 (eight years ago)

LOL well the overall franchise is garbage. Even Exorcist is better than Jaws.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 16:20 (eight years ago)

morbs iirc thinks jaws isn't even top 5 spielberg

nomar, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 17:37 (eight years ago)

voted for Evil Dead based on consistency

Gooey?

O, Barack: flaws (wins), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 17:46 (eight years ago)

morbs iirc thinks jaws isn't even top 5 spielberg

he would surely rank it above everything else here tho

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 17:46 (eight years ago)

altho maybe not he likes the Exorcist right? catholic boys...

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 17:47 (eight years ago)

was there a single decent horror movie in the era that didn't have a bunch of straight-to-video sequels??

piscesx, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 18:05 (eight years ago)

Killer Klowns From Outer Space was the first thing that popped into my mind. Not so much because it's good but because it's the type of thing you'd expect to have eight VHS-only sequels.

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 18:07 (eight years ago)

the shining for one, but successful american horror flicks with no sequels were definitely rare

oculus lump (contenderizer), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 18:08 (eight years ago)

But, yeah. Carpenter's other stuff, Cohen's other stuff, Brain Damage...uhhh...they managed to hold off on American Werewolf for a decade+. I know there's a ton. Wish my horror DVDs were accessible.

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 18:09 (eight years ago)

was there a single decent horror movie in the era that didn't have a bunch of straight-to-video sequels??

the greatest horror movie of the era: the Thing

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 18:12 (eight years ago)

'70s & '80s also the era of the A+ horror reboot: The Thing, Invasion of the Body Snatchers, The Fly.

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 18:13 (eight years ago)

a few more notable one-offs:

Carrie
Maniac
Near Dark
Night of the Creeps
Videodrome
Motel Hell
Dead & Buried
Humanoids from the Deep
The Hunger
From Beyond

oculus lump (contenderizer), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 18:23 (eight years ago)

"was there a single decent horror movie in the era that didn't have a bunch of straight-to-video sequels??"

Yeah tons.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 18:26 (eight years ago)

Tourist Trap! The Funhouse!

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 18:28 (eight years ago)

Probably more good ones that didn't have sequels.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 18:41 (eight years ago)

Voted Friday the 13th, not because it's the 'best' but because it prob comes closest to my platonic ideal of 'horror movie franchise' (post-Universal or Hammer, anyway) - distinctive lead villain/anti-hero, obvious debt to giallo (in this case, Bava's Bay of Blood), and adherence to a formulaic narrative structure that grows more pleasing - or more cosily familiar - w/ repeated repetition. Somewhere in America, horny teenagers will always be going to summer camp to fuck, smoke dope, get slaughtered.

― Foster Twelvetrees (Ward Fowler), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 14:14

Are you sure you didn't mean to say this is the opposite of ideal?

How about Piranha? One of the remakes was direct to tv, but there's the James Cameron sequel and the two newer remakes.
All the Tremors sequels are for video or tv.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 18:44 (eight years ago)

it only had one sequel in the timeframe specified though

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 21:01 (eight years ago)

I thought only the original had to be in the specified timeframe...

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 22:38 (eight years ago)

idk man Piranha 3D was in 2010, that's a totally different era

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 22:41 (eight years ago)

Despite loving lots of individual films here I can't throw a vote to any of these franchises. I abstain, it's official.

ewar woowar (or something), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 22:56 (eight years ago)

certainly not by the time you get to jaws 2, which isn't far from a slasher flick.

Should be poll of Jaws rip-offs. Piranha, Alligator (both written by John Sayles!), Grizzly ...

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 23:00 (eight years ago)

distinct memories for seeing tons of ads for this in late 70s comics:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orca_(film)

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 23:03 (eight years ago)

memories OF

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 23:03 (eight years ago)

The Swarm is awesome!

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Wednesday, 13 July 2016 23:08 (eight years ago)

I might vote Amityville because I adored the first film when I first saw it. I was far too young and it really got to me. There are much better films in the list but are any other sequels as ridiculous as Amityville 4, which is about an evil, possessed floor lamp?

kraudive, Wednesday, 13 July 2016 23:54 (eight years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Thursday, 14 July 2016 00:01 (eight years ago)

Well there is a movie about an island filled with monstrous murderous babies who are detained there under court order...

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Thursday, 14 July 2016 00:24 (eight years ago)

might be a subcategory for which of these had the strongest late-series entries (probably Child's Play)

Haven't seen those later CP movies, but in my case both Nightmare on Elm Street and Friday the 13th win this because of Freddy vs. Jason, which was pretty awesome. It's nothing more than what you'd expect, but it's just as fun as you'd expect.

If judging these as franchises instead of on the strength of individual entries, I think I'll have to go for NoES. It has an iconic-looking villain with a consistently good performer, the villain's MO is genuinely imaginative and creepy and allows the writers/directors to come up with innovative death scenes (instead of the "which household tool will Jason use to kill this particular teen?" variety in Ft13th), the first 3 sequels keep the quality higher than in most franchises which reach movie number 4, and there are a couple of suprisingly quality entries late in the series: New Nightmare presages all the meta stuff Craven would later return to in Scream, and Freddy vs. Jason, as said, is just loads of indulgent fun.

Tuomas, Thursday, 14 July 2016 09:00 (eight years ago)

People keep saying New Nightmare is good but New Nightmare is seriously not good. It's a shitty movie with a relatively clever premise. The worst part is that it's really boring.

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 July 2016 12:27 (eight years ago)

Well admittedly it's been 20 years since I last saw it, I guess it's time for a rewatch...

Tuomas, Thursday, 14 July 2016 12:29 (eight years ago)

But I stand by my opinion on Freddy vs. Jason.

Tuomas, Thursday, 14 July 2016 12:29 (eight years ago)

People keep saying New Nightmare is good but New Nightmare is seriously not good.

^ requires special emphasis

oculus lump (contenderizer), Thursday, 14 July 2016 12:39 (eight years ago)

Yeah, it should be emphasized all around that not only are many of these aforementioned sequels not good, many of the original films in the series are not particularly good. I think this is a thread of relatives ...

And yeah, xpost, the Swarm is great, and Orca! And Frogs!!!

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 14 July 2016 12:41 (eight years ago)

And Squirm!!!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rq676FJR2U

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 14 July 2016 12:41 (eight years ago)

freddy vs jason is fun, though, i agree. not good, exactly, but recommended to anyone who thinks they might enjoy a freddy vs jason movie. directed by donnie yen, who also made bride of chucky, the one truly worthwhile child's play sequel*. and the bride with white hair.

* contested

oculus lump (contenderizer), Thursday, 14 July 2016 12:48 (eight years ago)

Freddy vs. Jason is much much more enjoyable than New Nightmare which beyond the meta-pretenses is very dull.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Thursday, 14 July 2016 12:50 (eight years ago)

Well, it's like...do I think any of the NOES movies are legitimately good movies? No, but the first four are entertaining and fun to watch. The first is probably the only one that works as a legit horror movie rather than a semi-campy romp with with imaginative death scenes. 5 has a few good scenes but it's aslog of a movie, Freddy's Dead is pretty much a total turd and doesn't even deliver on the death scenes (this is the one with the bizarro Roseanne and Tom Arnold cameo and which features probably the dumbest scene in the series)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeJnuP2_yb8

And then, yeah, New Nightmare, boring. The last third of the movie is a slow chase sequence involving Heather Langenkamp's "son".

Anyway, the bad installments really stand out here because the good ones hold up so well.

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 July 2016 12:54 (eight years ago)

Another notable one-off: The Gate

scarcity festival (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 14 July 2016 12:55 (eight years ago)

Haven't seen Freddy vs. Jason since it was in theaters. Will rectify if I survive watching the ten previous Friday the 13th movies this fall.

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 July 2016 12:56 (eight years ago)

Contenderizer- it would be truly bizarre if Donnie Yen directed those films but it was Ronny Yu.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 14 July 2016 13:30 (eight years ago)

lol, i have no idea where that came from!

i thought "donnie yen" while writing that post, then instantly doubled back cuz i knew my brain was fritzing. but somehow wound up typing donnie yen anyway? wtf, early onset dementia?

oculus lump (contenderizer), Thursday, 14 July 2016 13:35 (eight years ago)

RONNIE YU

is what i meant to say

oculus lump (contenderizer), Thursday, 14 July 2016 13:36 (eight years ago)

or RONNY

i fucking give up

oculus lump (contenderizer), Thursday, 14 July 2016 13:37 (eight years ago)

LOL as aside I love Bride With White Hair.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Thursday, 14 July 2016 13:44 (eight years ago)

nightmare 1 is a legit good movie wtf

who is extremely unqualified to review this pop album (BradNelson), Thursday, 14 July 2016 14:11 (eight years ago)

How many of these have trademark scores? Just the big three, Friday, Halloween and NOES.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 14 July 2016 14:31 (eight years ago)

Uh Exorcist.

Texas Chainsaw Massacre soundtrack is legit terrifying but maddeningly unavailable.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Thursday, 14 July 2016 14:36 (eight years ago)

Phantasm score also great, assume it was used in sequels too.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Thursday, 14 July 2016 14:38 (eight years ago)

Duh the Omen as well.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Thursday, 14 July 2016 14:41 (eight years ago)

Scanners and Videodrome also worth mentioning as decent one-offs.

Darin, Thursday, 14 July 2016 15:01 (eight years ago)

Scanners not quite a one-off due to totally unofficial set of spin-offs (mainly Japanese iirc)

PLPeni (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 14 July 2016 15:04 (eight years ago)

i do not rc but:

Scanners II: The New Order (1991)
Scanners III: The Takeover (1992)

Spin-offs

Scanner Cop (1994)
Scanners: The Showdown (a.k.a. Scanner Cop II) (1995)

PLPeni (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 14 July 2016 15:05 (eight years ago)

Scanners 2 and 3 are 'official' inasmuch as its the same Canadian producer/rights owner, Pierre David, as on the original, though Cron had nothing to do with 2 and 3, and didn't get any kind of cut from them.

Foster Twelvetrees (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 14 July 2016 15:08 (eight years ago)

lots of these left the original creators behind in franchise development tho

oculus lump (contenderizer), Thursday, 14 July 2016 15:30 (eight years ago)

Yeah I don't think that's a criteria for elimination. Certainly Friedkin (and Blatty) were none to pleased with existence of Exorcist II...

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Thursday, 14 July 2016 15:53 (eight years ago)

NOES 2 has my all time favorite horror movie score, by Christopher Young. Others on this list with amazing scores are exorcist II (morricone in psych punk mode) omen III (goldsmith displaying symphonic mastery) Halloween I and III, and It's Alive (One of Herrmann's last stands)

scarcity festival (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 14 July 2016 16:48 (eight years ago)

cosign the enthusiasm for Freddy vs. Jason which is about as good as that kind of stupid cross-branding exercise can be

Οὖτις, Thursday, 14 July 2016 16:57 (eight years ago)

I thought it was pretty dire. Nu-metal soundtrack too.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 14 July 2016 17:14 (eight years ago)

Seen Excorcist 2 recently. I did notice the music and some of the scenes in Africa are quite good but I found it a slog. Richard Burton has a hilarious line in it somewhere.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Thursday, 14 July 2016 17:21 (eight years ago)

recall being baffled by the tagline on this video as a kid. it isn't all that clear even now come to that

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-7j2HiNfxaEY/URQq9zQve3I/AAAAAAAAAoY/DMNySLHwBWY/s1600/AMITYVILLE-2-THE-POSSESSION.jpg

piscesx, Thursday, 14 July 2016 17:30 (eight years ago)

They fled the house without their lives?

rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko), Thursday, 14 July 2016 17:32 (eight years ago)

Maybe it's a typo and they fled with their wives?

I love NOES 1-3. I find 4 exhaustingly jokey. 5 and 6 are interchangeable in my mind but both had style and good moments. Freddy's Dead is the worst thing ever created. New Nightmare is really good, and I love a lot of the performances, but, yes, it doesn't have an ending and turns into a chase scene. Freddy vs. Jason is good, I guess, for funsies, but I, being one who hates fun, didn't like it.

The Thnig, Thursday, 14 July 2016 20:36 (eight years ago)

Damiano Damiani is a great name.

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Thursday, 14 July 2016 20:41 (eight years ago)

xpost

I'm guessing that you meant to say that 4 and 5 are the interchangeable ones (inasmuch as 5 is the closest the series ever came to a direct continuation of the previous movie) because Freddy's Dead is the sixth movie and, as you indicate, there's basically nothing stylish or good or even redeemable about it.

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 July 2016 20:46 (eight years ago)

Damiani also made the excellent radical western A Bullet for the General. I certainly prefer AH2 to the extremely dull first installment; it has some good 'bladder' SFX and a typically unpleasant performance from Burt Young. In the UK, AH2 was screened to London film critics on the same day as The Evil Dead and obviously suffered in the comparison.

Foster Twelvetrees (Ward Fowler), Thursday, 14 July 2016 21:22 (eight years ago)

A Bullet for the General is a great.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 14 July 2016 21:35 (eight years ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Friday, 15 July 2016 00:01 (eight years ago)

gonna have to check out these Phantasm movies jeez. no recall of them getting much hype in the Horror Films Poll a couple of years back.

this was a good thread!

piscesx, Friday, 15 July 2016 00:05 (eight years ago)

I plan to watch the rest of them even though I was pretty seriously underwhelmed by the second. The first has very quickly become one of my all-time faves.

Night Jorts (Old Lunch), Friday, 15 July 2016 01:03 (eight years ago)

Hahaha what the shit, how short was this poll? I never even read the thread, let alone voted.

Here, let me Danesplain that for you (jjjusten), Friday, 15 July 2016 03:41 (eight years ago)

Hey i'm gonna be away next week and just wanted to get this outta the way

Οὖτις, Friday, 15 July 2016 03:46 (eight years ago)

Still haven't seen any of the Phantasm movies. Nor the Hellraiser ones, which I really want to. Might have to endulge in some Amazon movie renting tomorrow night

Drop soap, not bombs (Ste), Friday, 15 July 2016 20:32 (eight years ago)

http://io9.gizmodo.com/phantasm-restored-and-phantasm-ravager-finally-have-r-1784490749

how's life, Friday, 29 July 2016 11:43 (eight years ago)

the Phantasm movies are fun and different and have some neat ideas and images, they're quite loveable

#SaveMarinaraJuice (Noodle Vague), Friday, 29 July 2016 11:51 (eight years ago)

could've voted for Basket Case tho, might even have gone with Maniac Cop if i could remember anything about the sequels. concept always makes me smile.

#SaveMarinaraJuice (Noodle Vague), Friday, 29 July 2016 11:53 (eight years ago)

That's rad about Ravager. I feared that it was already in development hell and ultimately doomed once Scrimm died.

Basket Case and It's Alive are the most worthy franchises of those that received zero votes. Those looking for a gonzo good time would do well jumping into the third entry of each.

a charisma-free shitlord (Old Lunch), Friday, 29 July 2016 12:01 (eight years ago)

Speaking of that Phantasm restoration how's life posted, one of my local arthouse theaters, the beautiful Capitol Theatre in Cleveland, is showing it one-night-only on Sept. 24, followed by a live-streamed Q&A with Don Coscarelli and cast members. Can't wait for that.

The Capitol also does an annual 12-hour Halloween movie marathon. It's an awesome place.

a 47-year-old chainsaw artist from South Carolina (Phil D.), Friday, 29 July 2016 12:23 (eight years ago)

seven months pass...

now that i have seen all of the phantasms, imo the answer is: phantasm

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Sunday, 12 March 2017 15:23 (eight years ago)

I'm afraid to watch Ravager. How is Ravager? Phantasm Ravager.

Not raving but drooling (contenderizer), Sunday, 12 March 2017 19:50 (eight years ago)

RaVager. Next one will be ReVIval, presumably, don't know what'll haven with the seventh.

I'm looking forward to seeing the whole shebang when the new box set is released. The first has become an annual staple.

Milkwalker's World (Old Lunch), Sunday, 12 March 2017 20:40 (eight years ago)

haven=happen, wth autocorrect

Milkwalker's World (Old Lunch), Sunday, 12 March 2017 20:41 (eight years ago)

I'm afraid to watch Ravager. How is Ravager? Phantasm Ravager.

― Not raving but drooling (contenderizer), Sunday, March 12, 2017 12:50 PM (one week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it looks like complete garbage (bad cinematography, terrible cgi) but the script is the most phantasm-y script ever and really rescues it. plus reggie is great throughout

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Monday, 20 March 2017 19:35 (eight years ago)

anyway if anyone here has hbo go and shudder: you too can marathon the phantasm movies

the raindrops and drop tops of lived, earned experience (BradNelson), Monday, 20 March 2017 20:00 (eight years ago)

five years pass...

Children of the Corn III: Urban Harvest is an absolute blast, after being kind of bored/disappointed by the first one. The corn really gets to play a vital role, and I'm sure it's a must-see for any Chicago natives.

JoeStork, Monday, 30 January 2023 07:19 (two years ago)


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