best films of the 21st century

BBC poll weighs in

http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20160819-the-21st-centurys-100-greatest-films-who-voted

http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20160819-the-21st-centurys-100-greatest-films

as always, individuals more compelling than consensus results

I haven't seen some of these in 15 years, so i have no opinion

tt said she'd poll the top 50, but this way we get to consider the lot of 'em

Correctly called #1 immediately as I'm sure did everyone a

It's certainly my #1.

I think the presence of a Nolan film (let alone two Nolan films) kinda invalidates this list, though.

list is not terrible imo, tho the dark night, spring breakers, and only lovers left alive need to gtfo

llewyn davis continues to seemingly be really overappreciated also idgi

just glancing at the individual lists I would guess #1 and #2 finished comfortably ahead of the pack, looks like at least one is included in almost every list.

more interested in looking at individual lists to find the most off-the-wall selections.

for a second there I thought someone had put Zero Dark Thirty as their no. 1

best anglocentric films of the 21st century plus the odd gesture

I already see someone voted for Step Brothers.

The movies I've seen in the top 10 (Mulholland, TWBB, Spirited Away, Eternal Sunshine, Tree of Life) would probably be in my own top 10, with Tree of Life a very close 2nd.

let's be real, this is a shit list with a few great films on it

I can tell from this guy's picks that he's probably an awful person:

Michael Arbeiter – Nerdist (US)

1. Synecdoche, New York (Charlie Kaufman, 2008)
2. Mulholland Drive (David Lynch, 2001)
3. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (Michel Gondry, 2004)
4. Black Swan (Darren Aronofsky, 2010)
5. The Comedy (Rick Alverson, 2012)
6. Melancholia (Lars von Trier, 2011)
7. Inglourious Basterds (Quentin Tarantino, 2009)
8. Inside Llewyn Davis (Joel and Ethan Coen, 2013)
9. Only Lovers Left Alive (Jim Jarmusch, 2013)
10. The Congress (Ari Folman, 2013)

Definitely a lot of films on this list where it seems like their placement is related to other better, earlier films by the same director....

I'm certainly not about to get on board with a Mulholland Dr. backlash, I love that film. Just saw it in a cinema for the first time in over a decade last week

Haven't really looked at this list

Has anyone seen the Headless Woman? It sounds pretty interesting.

Mulholland Drive is totally excellent (as is No Country For Old Men). In The Mood For Love is fine, but not a patch on earlier Wong. Best movie of the century for any of them, no....

Oh love Mullholland Drive too, I just think that guy's ten taken together make him sound like a miserable and misanthropic bastard.

xxp I haven't, but I have seen La Cienaga and the Holy Girl and they were both great.

No Stray Dogs, no credibility.

Other than that, though, it's about as good as could be hoped? A bunch of boring oscar-pap - American or international - way too many dull films by 90's indie heroes. But three from Weerasethakul, Werckmeister Harmonies. Could be worse.

The Headless Woman is a masterpiece, yes. I need to watch La Cienaga, and cannot wait to see her new film.

@Glenn__Kenny
Hey ladies, MY ballot is TWENTY percent female directors yo

one dude put Jersey Boys #1

lol

‏@labuzamovies
.@Support how do I mute every person talking about a list and whether things are properly ranked

that said, a mere 2 votes for Munich is garbage

xxp I haven't, but I have seen La Cienaga and the Holy Girl and they were both great.

― One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Tuesday, August 23, 2016 5:02 PM (1 minute ago)

Cool, I will keep an eye out for any chance to watch her work. The synopses aren't necessarily striking on their own (I could imagine shitty films being made out of any of them) but the consensus seems to be she shoots and paces really interestingly.

xp 2 votes for Munich is definitely garbage.

oh youuuu

Did each person only pick 10 films? Slightly baffled by placing of stuff like Amelie and the secrets in their eyes

xp ;-)

pretty unfuckwithable top 2 imo. i just saw MD recently and it's all i've been thinking about

love "the new world" showing up, too -- the further i get from that, the more fondly i remember it. "i may have sailed past mine" still slays. that said my favorite malick is "to the wonder"

Yes only 10 it looks like and Amelie was on five ballots.

That's demented

Was it Labuza who put Jersey Boys at 1? Saw him talking how it was an auterist meta-masterpiece or something on twitter a while back.

Secrets in Their Eyes has that one single great shot, at the football stadium. Worth seeing for that shot exclusively, that shot might even be enough for it to be one of the better oscar winners. But, uhm, Argentina has given us an awful lot of superior movies than that.

if you're going to bother complaining about this, complain about boyhood at #5

no votes for "to the wonder" :(

a friend voted for Ingl****ous Bast***s; this will go unmentioned in our next conversation bcz i really try to be a nice guy most of the time.

lol it's p obvious from his tweet Labuza did not vote

if you're going to bother complaining about this, complain about boyhood at #5

Not when it kept the Before Diarrheas outta the top 70

yeah, I think I may be officially too old to complain about lists -- this one actually giving me a lot of ideas of stuff to watch. That said, I will continue to say The Wrestler is the best movie Aronofsky has made so far.

Zodiac is at number 12. I haven't seen it, but can anyone explain to me why this might have stayed in so many people's minds as something to vote for?

I've got a lot of these on DVD, still unwatched.

i love "inglorious basterds", but i'd put the kill bills above them. pretty surprised they didn't crack the top 100

above it*

Zodiac also one I haven't seen. Can anyone tell me which of these I should see first?

2. In the Mood for Love (Wong Kar-wai, 2000)
12. Zodiac (David Fincher, 2007)
15. 4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days (Cristian Mungiu, 2007)
16. Holy Motors (Leos Carax, 2012)
23. Caché (Michael Haneke, 2005)
26. 25th Hour (Spike Lee, 2002)

In the Mood for Love somewhat overrated, There Will Be Blood desperately so

This is actually a good way to discern which of these critics are worth keeping an eye on.

In the Mood for Love and Caché are both genuinely excellent, though I'd favour ItMfL for immediate watchability, if that's a consideration.

Zodiac is at number 12. I haven't seen it, but can anyone explain to me why this might have stayed in so many people's minds as something to vote for?

Cuz it's really good, well shot and acted.

..and it's a (murder)geek movie.

no, critics as consumer guides has been established as rong awhile ago

xp

25th Hour is skipable. I'd say the rest are well worth watching in any order.

25th Hour was Lee's best film in years.

xp I meant more as a hopeful approximation but you're probably right. At least if their tastes align with mine on 8/10 of these films then it's plausible I'll enjoy the other two.

Wouldn't disagree with that either. Still don't think it's very good.

Not when it kept the Before Diarrheas outta the top 70

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, August 23, 2016 11:19 AM (13 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

literally no idea what you're referring to

xposts Yeah, I'd go so far as to say 25th Hour is maybe my favorite Lee film.

lol @ the balloters still clinging on to femme fatale as a good movie

by rough count i've seen 96 of the 102

32. The Lives of Others prob most pukey

whats your top 10 from this list, morbs?

“They don’t make ‘em like they used to.”

they don't use the word "great" like they used to.

What's worth seeing in Adriano Aprà's picks? I don't recognize a single one.

Has anyone seen the Headless Woman? It sounds pretty interesting.

― emil.y, Tuesday, August 23, 2016

yes – watch it!

Don't hate anything I've seen here, but WALL-E as the highest ranking Pixar is pretty bizarre.

I didn't contribute obv but here's my 2010-2015 list.

x-posts: Le Quattro Volte is pretty great, and quite wellknown I think. A docuhybrid about life in a remote Italian region from four perspectives: An old man, a goat, a tree and a pile of coal. It should probably be on the main list as well. The rest I don't know, but directors like Marco Bellochio and Ermanno Olmi aren't underground geniuses or anything, they're just old and sorta forgotten. I think he just likes Italian films.

Most of the finalists aren't terrible on lists, but I give anyone who loves There Will Be Milkshakes and recent Tarantino a pass.

Two voters for Hard To Be A God, and one of them also voted for Borat ;_;

i kinda hated wall-e.

finding nemo on the other hand is all-time for me. it's up there with stray dogs which i'm happy to see on alfred's list.

there are so many movies on that list that i've avoided for years. i've never wanted to see memento. and stuff like the master. i just never wanted that big dead guy's face in my face for 4 hours. i was never a big fan of that guy. synedoche was a chore for me. i kept falling asleep. i would watch melancholia again though. even though i can't stand von trier. because dunst and end of times and i thought it was really funny.

Rasha Salti – Independent curator/film programmer (Lebanon)
1. The Time That Remains (Elia Suleiman, 2009)
2. The Turin Horse (Béla Tarr and Ágnes Hranitzky, 2011)
3. The Box of Life (Ossama Mohammed, 2002)
4. Men at Work (Mani Haghighi, 2006)
5. Tey (Alain Gomis, 2012)
6. A Touch of Sin (Jia Zhangke, 2013)
7. My Heart Beats Only for Her (Mohamed Soueid, 2009)
8. Arabian Nights: Volume 1 – The Restless One (Miguel Gomes, 2015)
9. Nostalgia for the Light (Patricio Guzmán, 2010)
10. I Travel Because I Have To, I Come Back Because I Love You (Karim Aïnouz and Marcelo Gomes, 2009)

This looks like an amazing ballot, not least coz it has Arabian Nights aka the best thing ever on it

whats your top 10 from this list, morbs?

w/out straining too much and adding some sub-finishers, here's 12

Mulholland Dr.
Munich
The Son
Pulse
Hunger
Fantastic Mr Fox
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
Far From Heaven
Film socialisme
Still Life
The New World
Certified Copy

(but i mean mad max, really? for real? it was fun and all that but..........)

i still need to finish arabian nights on netflix....

No votes for any Strickland and only one vote for a Wheatley (Kill List). Neither of which I would mind too much if there wasn't such a desperate attempt to turn Fincher and Nolan into directors of 'classics' rather than trashy nonsense.

(sorry: synecdoche)

Only one vote for Love Exposure. :(

I shouldn't be surprised that critics prefer Shame to Hunger.

there's p much nothing in my list above from the last 5 years, so mostly just as easily:

Sunset Song
Amour Fou
Stranger by the Lake
Tropical Malady/Syndromes and a Century
The Other Side
Bridge of Spies
Horse Money
The Naked Room
Creed
Magic Mike XXL

i watched the first hour or so of Love Exposure and saw some fine stuff, but that was exhausting.

but he did Himizu! i liked Himizu a lot.

I shouldn't be surprised that critics prefer Shame to Hunger.

madness imo, Hunger legit great, Shame, to me, unintentionally funny.

One Wheatley vote? Jesus. AFIE might have been my #1

Shame would probably make my ten worst list

Five Best Fassbender Cock Shots tho

lots of duds on here

a few decent ones

i've been watching a movie or tv show every weeknight for the last two years and i pretty much have nothing i really want to watch anymore

maybe it's burnout but the usual tropes kind of tire me out

was watching me before you last night. one woman decides between two men. the only semi interesting thing is one dude kills himself, but so much has been written on assisted suicide that i would expect something a little more nuanced. it's jock turned quadriplegic goes suicidal because he can't climb mountains anymore or boink a woman he was only attracted to because of his disability. appreciate the earnestness tho. go live your life, my dear, shy introvert. and by go live your life, i mean wear those black and yellow striped leggings you're so scared fashionistas will criticize you for wearing

no "Chopper" no credibility

Does anyone have an opinion on what I should watch now out of:

8. Yi Yi: A One and a Two (Edward Yang, 2000)
31. Margaret (Kenneth Lonergan, 2011)
74. Spring Breakers (Harmony Korine, 2012)
97. White Material (Claire Denis, 2009)

One thing that is really disappointing: The most important event in film history during the period has been the advent of digital cinema, yet none of the pioneers is on there. No Stray Dogs, no Colossal Youth, no Leviathan (the fishing doc), no dGeneration Chineses film and no Jia Zhangke. This might be expected, but where the fuck is Michael Mann???? Where is Collateral? So many crap American genre-pics, and no room for the one with the revolutionary aesthetics and pictures we'd never seen before?

xp watch yi yi prob; margarets great also

Oh yeah, and Tangerine. I wanted Tangerine on there. I would probably not vote for it myself, but I want it to be recognized.

xp ty, I'll let you know what I make of them.

Tangerine would definitely have been in my top 10.

Everyone loves lists like these. Critics love them because it gives them (and their opinions) valuable exposure. The movie industry loves them because it breathes some extra life into films that had mostly stopped producing revenue. Readers love them because all they need are opinions about some of the movies in order to generate a new opinion about the rankings, a process which entertains them without taxing them. It's nothing but WIN-WIN-WIN as far as the eye can see! /cynic

Oh yeah, and Tangerine. I wanted Tangerine on there. I would probably not vote for it myself, but I want it to be recognized.

― Frederik B, Tuesday, August 23, 2016 3:11 PM (6 minutes ago

it looks like the ballot instructions specifically asked the voters to name the "best", and not necessarily the "most important", films

(xpost) Pauly Shore doesn't like them.

Cool, I will keep an eye out for any chance to watch her work. The synopses aren't necessarily striking on their own (I could imagine shitty films being made out of any of them) but the consensus seems to be she shoots and paces really interestingly.

― emil.y, Tuesday, 23 August 2016 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The crash in this film was really well done.

Yi Yi is the best. I'm kind of in the mood to rewatch that too.

Of films that didn't get any votes, I might have voted for Atanarjuat, Tale of the Princess Kaguya, and Sweetgrass.

If ILX did a poll it might be worse. Then again it would have Amour Fou on it, probably.

Chuffed to see Yi Yi in the top 10. Its one of the few post-Ozu films that builds something (its been a few years so I couldn't specify rn) on his legacy, adds a layer (or several) on top. xp

IIRC, we did a 21st Century poll sometime within the last couple of years.

Yi-Yi just got a fab reissue.

I really should see Mulholland Drive one of these days.

No kung fu hustle? Srsly?

no Dredd either.

I p much love Kung Fu Hustle, but is it one of the ten best films of this century? Not to me.

tangenttangent, you can't wrong with either of margaret or yi yi

loving how Zodiac is now getting its due. of course ILX has always had a major 'thing' for it anyway.

we shd just do a 2010-15 or 11-16 ballot poll

**looks @ nomar**

(movies i liked a lot more than any lars von trier or charlie kaufman movie: bad santa, thirteen, 28 days later, whale rider, american splendor, the station agent, road to perdition, russian ark, training day, george washington, wonder boys, ghost dog, bring it on, l.i.e., ginger snaps, punch-drunk love, finding nemo, holes, howl's moving castle, war of the worlds, children of men, the descent, american gangster, happy-go-lucky, district 9, coraline, red cliff, the road, the cabin in the woods, bully, the grey, gravity, frozen, what maisie knew, stray dogs, we are the best!, force majeure, exhibition.)

and kung fu hustle, right?

johnny, i broached the subject of a half decade poll (which would have been 2010-14) and some were enthusiastic, others said we should wait for 2020 for the full decade experience. i'd still be "down" to conduct a half decade poll of 50 or 77 flix though.

i know I'm just in favor of going fwd w it, ppl always seem to bitch @ the outset but then the threads are fun and are a great resource going forward to discover things that one's missed or overlooked :)

yeah do it

I p much love Kung Fu Hustle, but is it one of the ten best films of this century? Not to me.

Me either, but it's definitely better than 75-90% at least of this list.

brokeback slayed me. maybe it's not as good as i remember.

they got the order of the PTA films all wrong, AI too low, New World > Tree of life, Zodiac should be top 5, and Eternal Sunshine doesn't belong in top 10.

i probably prefer NW to ToL too but in a list like this it's hard to argue with the latter placing higher

Because of it being so much better, for starters

Hard to be a God def the most glaring absences from this list. Once Upon a Time in Anatolia and Ten far too low down. No Dumont, bah.

Wall-E being so high up is a fucking disgrace.

Brian Truitt – USA Today (US)
1. The Dark Knight (Christopher Nolan, 2008)
2. Mad Max: Fury Road (George Miller, 2015)
3. Captain America: Winter Soldier (Anthony and Joe Russo, 2014)
4. Star Wars: Episode VII – The Force Awakens (J. J. Abrams, 2015)
5. Love Actually (Richard Curtis, 2003)
6. Brick (Rian Johnson, 2005)
7. Chicago (Rob Marshall, 2002)
8. Tropic Thunder (Ben Stiller, 2008)
9. High Fidelity (Stephen Frears, 2000)
10. Silver Linings Playbook (David O. Russell, 2012)

:D

i know I'm just in favor of going fwd w it, ppl always seem to bitch @ the outset but then the threads are fun and are a great resource going forward to discover things that one's missed or overlooked :)

― johnny crunch, Wednesday, August 24, 2016 3:13 AM (16 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah do it

― have you ever even read The Drudge Report? Have you gone on Stormfron (k3vin k.), Wednesday, August 24, 2016 3:20 AM (16 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

alright fuck it i'll do it. let me figure out the timing, i'm working like a mfer right now but my job ends in october, which would be good timing on closing the ballots. maybe a post-election day rollout...

:)

if u want help tabulating or anything id be willing

lol @ Judd Apatow complaining there are no comedies on this list (because it's "easier to not be funny". I guess he would know)

If ILX did a poll it might be worse. Then again it would have Amour Fou on it, probably.

Chuffed to see Yi Yi in the top 10. Its one of the few post-Ozu films that builds something (its been a few years so I couldn't specify rn) on his legacy, adds a layer (or several) on top. xp

― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, August 23, 2016 3:38 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

sorry but taiwanese new wave comparisons to ozu are over and kinda questionable

btw despite everyone believing what the iMdB tells them, The Virgin Suicides was not released commercially anywhere until 2000. (and it's still Sofia Coppola's best film)

best dressed man in albania

lol @ Judd Apatow complaining there are no comedies on this list (because it's "easier to not be funny". I guess he would know)

A Serious Man is on it (and it should be higher, probably in my top ten...)

You people have no bromance in your souls.

but it is a serious comedy

xp

Yi-Yi just got a fab reissue.

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, August 23, 2016 3:46 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I can't find any info on this. Do you have a link?

does anyone still use secret cinema?

i've not been on it in AGES but i might need to dig out the old username/pw if my acct wasn't already suspended

uhh

bingo! got in!

by "just" I mean "Criterion in 2011," of course.

not 'just'... the recent one was Yang's A Brighter Summer Day xp

https://www.criterion.com/films/781-yi-yi

The better film, but watch'em both.

Sorry, upon taking a second gander I realize there are not two but three Nolan films in this list. WTF is wrong with film critics.

The dearth of latter day Altman (two votes for Gosford) is a hell of an oversight. Gosford, The Company, and Prairie Home Companion are all worthy and would probably be in my top 25 or so.

Also holy shit not a single vote for Être et Avoir, what is this world I'm living in

quite surprised there were no votes for Aoyama's Eureka

Christopher Tookey fave Requiem for a Dream is a weird and awful choice

Gosford, The Company, and Prairie Home Companion are all worthy and would probably be in my top 25 or so.

and if by that you mean they might all be between #11 and 25, you wouldn't have voted for them either.

Thank you for clarifying how top tens work, Dr. Wisenheimer. I'd work at least one of them in there (probably The Company, which is understandably massively underrated).

it's always more interesting perusing the individual ballots than seeing the aggregated list

some favorites of mine that i'm surprised don't appear on anyone's ballot: in the city of sylvia, the grandmaster, the mill and the cross, eastern promises, cemetery of splendor, two years at sea, jauja, PTU (almost no johnnie to at all! WTF)

some favorites i'm not surprised don't appear on anyone's ballot: seance (kiyoshi kurosawa), the transporter, azur and asmar, heaven (tom tykwer film, yes i know), edge of tomorrow, duma, last life in the universe...

as usual, critics underrate genre films.

Am very surprised Election is not on anyones film. Head On made one person's list at least.

Whatre yr thoughts on the omission of kung fu hustle

also 2 mentions of Hong Sang-soo

He's good? I just rented Woman on the Beach because of seeing it on a ballot.

that's one of his best

I liked In Another Country. I saw it the day before Christmas Eve and two of the six other people in the theater walked out.

also Inland Empire got one vote, from Michael Atkinson

Whatre yr thoughts on the omission of kung fu hustle

― poor fiddy-less albion (darraghmac), Thursday, August 25, 2016 11:20 AM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark

shaolin soccer is better

Inland Empire > Mulholland Drive

And yeah, Woman on the Beach might be the best Hong, though I haven't really seen the early ones.

Good to see Two Lovers on Ed Gonzalez's list.

one of 2 total James Gray votes

here's a fascinating list:

Kenji Fujishima – Freelance film critic (US)

1. The World (Jia Zhangke, 2004)
2. Profit Motive and the Whispering Wind (John Gianvito, 2007)
3. Inglourious Basterds (Quentin Tarantino, 2009)
4. Pulse (Kiyoshi Kurosawa, 2001)
5. Syndromes and a Century (Apichatpong Weerasethakul, 2006)
6. In Jackson Heights (Frederick Wiseman, 2015)
7. Synecdoche, New York (Charlie Kaufman, 2008)
8. Love Exposure (Sion Sono, 2008)
9. The Tree of Life (Terrence Malick, 2011)
10. Casino Royale (Martin Campbell, 2006)

I only saw one person list bad lieutenant: pocno, that film kills

Props for Weerasethakul and Tarr inclusions. Hunger would also be my Steve McQueen pick. I need to see White Material, The Headless Woman and Margaret, so this list offers some useful reminders.

In defense of...

Amelie - Whimsy is hard to pull off on the wide-screen. For some of us, this is a enduring rainy day film.
WALL-E - As a children's film about societal concerns from environmental degradation to apathy, which should be subjects for children's films, its second only to Spirited Away. If not a great film, a necessary one.
Mad Max:Fury Road - action films distilled to an essence.

That said, I'd be content to never see another Wes Anderson, Linklater, Tarantino, or post-Memento Nolan film.

also Inland Empire got one vote, from Michael Atkinson

― The Hon. J. Piedmont Mumblethunder (Dr Morbius), Thursday, August 25, 2016 10:35 AM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I didn't catch that. That's insane. Almost certainly in my top ten.

not sure i'd run across this b4

"Lists are a form of cultural hysteria." - Don DeLillo

WALL-E hate in thread is weird, one of the best animated films in the last 30 years surely

The opposite of hysteria if anything, the smniest of somas

I've resisted watching Amelie for years based only on that iconic winsome movie-poster smile — it drives me mad with rage. I should get over that and just watch the dang film.

like a few other pixar films, i'm not sure wall-e lives up to its first reel or two

Profit Motive and the Whispering Wind is nifty, here's yr starter kit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyTGnAZugRY

http://www.slantmagazine.com/film/review/profit-motive-and-the-whispering-wind

Reckon if they asked for a top 25 or something inland empire would have got in to the 100? Maybe nobody wants to be the dick who votes for two lynch films in a top ten (I would be that dick but no danger of anyone asking)

Which of the ones I own but haven't seen yet do I need to see immediately:

The Social Network
WALL-E
Margaret (extended, have seen the original)
The Pianist
The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
Ratatouille
any of the ones streaming on Netflix

Ratatouille IMO

wld have voted for Margaret, Synecdoche, Inland, The Comedy fer sure.

@Old Lunch
The Assassination of Jesse James, if you have time (2 hr 40 min, and it felt longer) and patience.

Wercmeister, Boonmee, Stray Dogs... And then seven more.

Yeah, I think if you're given a top ten, not many people would want to list multiple films by the same director, so they chose their favourite Lynch. I think I would probably put IE over MD, but maybe need to watch both again before deciding.

Oh, I forgot to quote there, but I think people can work out what I'm responding to.

Also I'm totally not convinced that an ilx poll would be *better* than this. A little different but not markedly better.

ILX would have more genre films. In my sci-fi wheelhouse I think Moon and Ex Machina would find a place, maybe even Perfect Sense and Upstream Color.

xps to get further into author insertion list fanfic, if I were voting in this and allowing myself only one lynch, I'd pick inland empire because I think it's better and also because md's place at the top is obv pretty secure

The ILX list would have Stray Dogs on it. But yeah, it would also have a lot of boring stuff.

fwiw here are some films from the past 16–17 years that mean a lot to me:

Goodbye to Language
Exiled
Platform
A History of Violence
Spirited Away
Our Beloved Month of August
35 Shots of Rum
Eccentricities of a Blonde-Haired Girl
In the City of Sylvia
AI: Artificial Intelligence
Holy Motors
The Holy Girl
Moonrise Kingdom
Inland Empire
Gravity
Melancholia
Ratatouille
Inglourious Basterds
No Country for Old Men
Hukkle
The Iron Ministry

and lots more. ah, never mind, i can't do this.

Glad to see 12 people included Synecdoche, New York in their lists. Easily the best film of the millennium so far.

synecdoche kinda the neutral milk hotel of movies for me. i get why people like it so much but.......yeah, not for me.

or maybe it's the house of leaves of movies....

fwiw here are some films from the past 16–17 years that mean a lot to me:

Goodbye to Language
Exiled
Platform
A History of Violence
Spirited Away
Our Beloved Month of August
35 Shots of Rum
Eccentricities of a Blonde-Haired Girl
In the City of Sylvia
AI: Artificial Intelligence
Holy Motors
The Holy Girl
Moonrise Kingdom
Inland Empire
Gravity
Melancholia
Ratatouille
Inglourious Basterds
No Country for Old Men
Hukkle
The Iron Ministry

― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 25 August 2016 16:28 (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wtf

no kung fu for old men

Ah jaysus this guy

what about kung fu panda

I'm not hating Wall-E, but it's incredibly smug about lol fat americans, and the romancing-the-unconscious is pretty gross. Compared with the other Pixar', it's a very odd choice (particularly at 29! 67 places above Finding Nemo, 64 above Rataouille)

yeah, the second half of wall-e sucked a bunch. i thought ILX hated the whole DO YOU SEE? approach across the board.

Yeah. First half is magic but overall it's a long way short of boxtrolls

I don't mind WALL-E but I've no interest in watching it again whereas I love Ratatouille.

Yeah I never want to go too far down the road of complaining that a film for children is dumb and obvious but in the context of more than one adult professional film critic deciding it's one of the ten best films of the last 1.5 decades I'll happily add my voice to the chorus of ppl saying that wall e goes to shit once it leaves the deserted planet and gets into the trenchant consumerism stuff

wall-e is a decent attempt

we need more cartoons shaming our societies like in the olden days

Cartoons where characters literally go to hell

ctrl + f + Crash = zero votes = A+

xp

bit derivative but might work

No I was saying that that happens in cartoons from the olden days

oh ya like a modern version of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mXSNg3MeaA

I thought inside out was a better message movie, basically a film version of those facebook comics explaining how you shouldn't behave around depressed people

only possible animated choice in my Century 10 wd be Fantastic Mr Fox

Toy Story 3 is better than all the Pixar films on this list

xpost Guess that means you never got around to seeing Angry Birds.

i do actually think finding nemo is some sort of masterpiece. it's movie magic! and heck the new one isn't that far behind.

i liked ratatouille a bunch too. and boxtrolls.

Fox best, if it's animated. Otherwise....tangled

Spirited Away and Kaguya would be animated contenders for me.

Best non-animated animated: enchanted

Irked by politics of a bunch of later Pixars, Nemo and Monsters Inc are my unadulterated faves

Spirited Away better than all of them, cliche or not

Worst non-animated animated film: There Will Be Blood

Shaun The Sheep is legit brilliant fyi

I remember reading a very hyperbolic 5* P Bradshaw review of There Will Be Blood at the time, and I knew it was going to be shite.

hahaha

I definitely think it's not all that. The Master much better in retrospect

And IV!

ctrl + f + Crash = zero votes = A+

I think TWBB is v entertaining, it's the claims of depth that are silly. Kinda like yr Godfathers maybe?

I think Bradshaw described it as a "new type of movie-making" or some bs like that. I think his nonsense review poisoned me against it.

4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days (Cristian Mungiu, 2007)
I haven't seen this one yet and have no memory of it being a Palm d'Or winner. I think his follow up movie Tales From The Golden Age was a classic, it is an anthology movie of urban myths from the Ceaucescu era. In fact, looking at his biog - I definitely need to see all the other Cristian Mungiu movies.

there will be blood is no boom town.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz_WhBN96jY

I think talking about "depth" is often a waste of time but TWBB's problem almost seems to be that it's so stylish and formally dramatic but the story/characters come across a little flat for me, as if they are illustrations of a type and not people. (granted I can probably now think of movies that do this that I like but whatever)

I gather it's part of the point of the movie--these characters could be transported to a von stroheim silent movie--but it feels academic in a bad way.

that director is all hat.

It is the feeling that it is straining to be some stilted idea of what a "great Movie" is that totally does my head in.

^^ Yep.

It also has the oddest structure: foreshortened. Just when it's developing we get the stupid milkshake scene.

but 70 mm duuuuuuude.....

i did like punch-drunk love. the only one of his i really liked. i didn't see the pynchon one though. it looked like a headache.

PDL was just as stultifying as i imagined all the other Sandler movies i never saw to be.

anyway that poll needed more Jia Zhangke

Hard Eigiht and Inherent Vice are his only satisfying films.

inherent vice is incredible but yes a headache prob

crossover alert!

http://www.indiewire.com/2016/08/frank-ocean-100-favorite-films-blue-velvet-solaris-annie-hall-1201719610/

PTA def erratic - for me Inherent Vice and Boogie Nights are the keepers. the others range from interesting/intermittently fascinating (The Master, Hard Eight, TWBB) to absolutely fucking horrible (PDL, Magnolia)

Morbs a million times otm re: Jia Zhangke, would maybe have Platform and Touch of Sin in my top 10

i thought ILX hated the whole DO YOU SEE? approach across the board.

― scott seward, Thursday, 25 August 2016 19:54

I thought Kurosawa's Pulse was like this, although it has some great moments.

Never liked Finding Nemo much. I generally don't like the animation style of Pixar, Dreamworks and similar teams, but I loved Ratatouille and the Toy Story series is good.

I found There Will Be Blood surprisingly fun, one of my favourite crazy bastards in film. The Master is great.

xpost would def have Jia's Still Life in my top ten

A Touch of Sin is brilliant.

mountains may depart >>>>>

If ILX did a poll it might be worse. Then again it would have Amour Fou on it, probably.

Chuffed to see Yi Yi in the top 10. Its one of the few post-Ozu films that builds something (its been a few years so I couldn't specify rn) on his legacy, adds a layer (or several) on top. xp

― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, August 23, 2016 3:38 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark

sorry but taiwanese new wave comparisons to ozu are over and kinda questionable

― 龜, Wednesday, August 24, 2016 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Definitely not over for me. Yi Yi especially is very much in dialogue with Ozu - its not the only thing but why deny that?

cause it's an extremely lazy comparison?

I haven't seen Mountains yet :(

Its a correct comparison - just depends on how you expand on it.

I haven't seen Mountains yet :(

― blafe and sand (Noodle Vague),

it's wonderful, please do

what the comparison says to me is you group your directors by geography and phenotype and nothing more xp

xp waiting for our slim-resourced local arthouse club to get on with it

La Commune
Eureka
Platform
Spirited Away
Legally Blonde
Zidane: A 21st Century Portrait
Big Man Japan
Archipelago
The Raid
The Assassin

list subject to change in any given 10 minutes; NFG

4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days (Cristian Mungiu, 2007)
I haven't seen this one yet and have no memory of it being a Palm d'Or winner.

It's so great. The trailers make it look trudging and worthy but it's an extremely tight and tense thriller. And I guess it really is worthy. Probably my favourite Palme winner along with Entre Le Murs/The Class.

it's a fine film but if i took a Romanian entry it might be Death of Mr Lazarescu

(The Class didn't get a single vote)

If I could only choose one Romanian film it would probably be something by Porumboiu. But I don't know if I'd vote for 12:08 or Police, Adjective. And The Treasure is a dangerous dark horse as well, at least for best ending.

Too hard to narrow it down, but here's my list. Only four made it onto the BBC's.

The Turin Horse
Inland Empire
Synecdoche NY
2046
Stray Dogs
Syndromes and a Century
The Intruder
Love Exposure
You, the Living
A Serious Man

fwiw here are some films from the past 16–17 years that mean a lot to me:

Goodbye to Language
Exiled
Platform
A History of Violence
Spirited Away
Our Beloved Month of August
35 Shots of Rum
Eccentricities of a Blonde-Haired Girl
In the City of Sylvia
AI: Artificial Intelligence
Holy Motors
The Holy Girl
Moonrise Kingdom
Inland Empire
Gravity
Melancholia
Ratatouille
Inglourious Basterds
No Country for Old Men
Hukkle
The Iron Ministry

― wizzz! (amateurist), Thursday, 25 August 2016 16:28 (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

wtf

― poor fiddy-less albion (darraghmac), Thursday, August 25, 2016 1:29 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sorry, i know it's a boring list, though i'm not sure what prompted the 'wtf'. i was using teh BBC list to refresh my memory, and the more i think about it, the more i remember other films that didn'tmake the list.

No Kung fu hus you know what never mind

Hey man I did my best

But seriously I "f/w" am's list tbh all these lists are making me feel pretty good about films of the last whenever, even the bbc one. My eyes just skip over the terrible Nolan &c stuff

what the comparison says to me is you group your directors by geography and phenotype and nothing more xp

― 龜, Thursday, 25 August 2016 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It can look like that - as I haven't watched it alongside Ozu for a long-time I wouldn't feel like expanding but this particular film (unlike all other films by Yang I've seen) is very clearly a take on some of those Ozu dramas, and a build-upon them. There is plenty of other Asian cinema you wouldn't discuss alongside Ozu (that isn't just horror or animation) but this is a unique case to me.

I look at Taiwanese cinema sometimes as part of a 'slow-cinema' ecosystem that is very international but I can see why it might be annoying to you to talk of Yi Yi in terms of Ozu.

4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days maybe the most tense and visceral experience I've had in the cinema, partially because it was unexpected - we'd gone to see something else that was sold out and picked it instead as I vaguely recalled someone here saying something positive about it, but had no idea what it was about.

I have a terrible idea of intercutting it with a Dardenne bros film to make the social realist epic 4 Months, 3 Weeks, 2 Days and 1 night.

if i took a Romanian entry it might be Death of Mr Lazarescu

Yes, was just thinking that this was another notable absence - it made the BFI/Sight and Sound Top 250 a few years ago. I had to spend a couple of days in the Glasgow Royal Infirmary hospital last year, and many parts of the film rang very true, sadly - that mixture of expertise and incompetence, care and indifference.

Dardenne Bros also seem to be falling out of favour - L'Enfant at least deserves a spot, imho - has some of the same tension and surprise as 4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days.

4 Days... is easily one of the best experiences I've ever had with a new release on the big screen. This and Hidden.

Only watched Lazarescu on TV.

There's enough in Yi Yi to make the Ozu comparison valid. The ending is similar to Tokyo Story, and there are a few other moments which I think are explicitly inviting the comparison. It might actually be more prominent during the sequence in Japan, where there are some shots that use the classic Ozu framing (static, low camera height), and even a location in common with Tokyo Story, the seaside in Atami. But on a deeper level I'm not sure I could say what the connection is. I don't think it's the key to understanding that movie or anything.

The most overt Ozu homage in the last decade or so is Hou's Café Lumière; it was practically a summoning of his ghost.

Looks cool. I haven't seen that yet. I only started getting into Hou Hsiao-Hsien films this year after being mystified by The Assassin (in a good way - I want to watch it again soon).

I think the biggest Ozu homage I've seen recently is Liu Shumin's The Family. It's basically Tokyo Story, except 4 hours long, and in China. Kinda a masterpiece.

Just saw this today: http://www.filmcomment.com/blog/film-week-happy-hour/

Ozu and Yi Yi, its like the plague!

Happy Hour is less like Ozu than The Family :) I watched them a couple days apart.

I think Yi Yi is also far enough away from Ozu. Thought it used it as a template but veered significantly from it, which is why I was excited about it at the time beyond the execution being all-round amazing too!

Hou's Cafe Lumiere and Kiarostami's Five were both dedicated to Ozu and released in the centenary year of Ozu's birth (2003) - the Kiarostami especially is quite an oblique response to Ozu

i think the way yang contemplates the tension between individual will and the pressures of family is oz-like

er, ozU-like

Jonathan Rosenbaum's list:

https://www.jonathanrosenbaum.net/2017/06/my-25-favorite-films-of-this-millennium-so-far/

JR counting on another 983 years of cinema

FIN DE ROSENBAUM

FIN DE ROSENBAUM

nice list, tho Bernie & Fernanda Hussein, ai yi yi

no cloudy with a chance of meatballs no credibility

MacGruber

When in doubt, the answer to most questions is MacGruber, I find.

I remain mystified by his affection for Down with Love.

This never made its way into the thread: https://www.filmcomment.com/article/film-comments-end-of-the-decade-critics-poll/

I like this list because There Will Be Blood is all the way down at #5.

Loads I need to see on the Rosenbaum list

what the FUCK do critics see in Million Dollar Baby?

Down with Love also a fave of the erstwhile ilxor KJB

Data point: I saw Alexander Payne do a Q&A last month, and he said the only masterpiece of the 21st century so far was Amour.

He's half right in that Alexander Payne has directed no masterpieces this century.

he's half right in that Amour is the closest thing to a great movie directed by Haneke.

noooooooooo

Time of the Wolf, maybe

Code Unknown. This isn't hard, people.

I know. Yet you insist on making it so.

So long as we all know it's not Benny's Video.

Code Unknown.

Cache

i've seen 6, none w/in shouting distance of great

but looks good next to Gaspar Noe

You've between you named all the postmillennial Haneke besides the best one

His 90s stuff is better anyway.

His 90s stuff is without merit.

besides the best one

Funny Games 2.0! Oh, wait.

(haven't seen The White Ribbon tbh)

Haneke sucks.

No eye for composition! Couldn't work his way around a camera with two hands and a map!

I like a couple of Haneke films but hus superior/hectoring tone is a real liability when it takes over

speaking of beloved movies I loathe, down with The Turin Horse beyond the opening shot

Force Majeure!

speaking of beloved movies I loathe, down with The Turin Horse beyond the opening shot

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.),

isn't The Turin Horse a long opening shot

Hoberman's

http://j-hoberman.com/2017/06/25-for-21/

The Clock would definitely be on mine, but i saw maybe 30% of it.

He lists four Cronenberg movies and can't make room for more than one Kiarostami post-2000?

I must watch Down with Love (Reed). I love that JR uses the serious "surname only" format in his brackets.

I think I probably saw 30% of The Clock too. It was a fine few hours, but I'd rather not think of it as a film.

If one allows O.J. Made in America, one must allow The Clock.

And the "Single Ladies" music video.

and Jerry Lewis' last telethon monologue about p0rn

Embrace of the Serpent should start making it onto some lists imo

It would be on my list, jmm. I don't think my list will be published.

i liked it fine, but a little too psychedelic for greatness.

I liked it too but better film touching on similar subject called Ixcanul you should check out.

Too hard to put this order, so top 15 I really really love

Children of Men
Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon
A History of violence
The Tree of Life
Another Year
Anomalisa
Cache
Bad Santa
American Splendor
Im Not There
Offside
Chopper
Dead Man's Shoes
Team America: World Police
Worlds greatest dad

Inside Llewyn Davis
Blue is the warmest colour
Toni Erdmann
American honey
Synecdoche, New York
There Will Be Blood
Dogville
Apocalypto
Before the devil knows youre dead
Elephant

the other 10 are almost a 10/10 imo

Before the devil knows youre dead

among my most hated.

Embrace of the Serpent > Ixcanul. I'm not sure how similar they are, though. Wouldn't put either on them on a top 25 either.

Another Year

I confused this with personal worst of the century contender A Good Year and was pretty shaken for a moment.

Before the devil knows youre dead

among my most hated.

― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, June 21, 2017 10:23 PM (three minutes ago)

PSH so great in this

Embrace of the Serpent > Ixcanul. I'm not sure how similar they are, though. Wouldn't put either on them on a top 25 either.

― Frederik B, Wednesday, June 21, 2017 6:24 PM (

nor a top 50

yeah if you're counting 25 films in 17 years, usu has to be in top 2 or 3 annually at least

i think in Cinema Valhalla, both Lumet and PSH regret lasting long enough to make that one.

Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon

Yeah, I think this and Fellowship of the Ring are the major hits I'd include.

I posted this on another thread.

Is there like a reason all these people are doing this shit (I know I know, "reason", lists, lol)

I guess it's important to take stock every um 17 years

writing thoughtful close reading to a deadline is hard

and nobody clicks on it

Is there like a reason all these people are doing this shit (I know I know, "reason", lists, lol)

world's ending

aka the NY Times did a piece, which is why i dread their writing about any rep series in NYC.

I thought maybe I missed the latest Facebook game or something

Think Hoberman got it abt right when he wrote (in that link above), "...there’s nothing that even a recovering film critic likes better than a list."

Not even films

1. Films
2. Booze

1. Acting Superior
2. Lists
3. Films
4. Booze

Did I miss it when someone challenged you, Alfred, to put a list on your blog every day?

(And, yes, lists are the best thing ever.)

Did I miss it when someone challenged you, Alfred, to put a list on your blog every day?

― insidious assymetrical weapons (Eric H.),

No challenge – it's fun. If lists were the only things I was writing, it would embarrass me.

Top 10 Embarrassing Lists Alfred Made in May

xp *Drag Race shade rattle*

ppl love and engage with lists unfortunately

more lists! anger over Million Dollar Baby!

https://www.criterion.com/current/posts/4683-the-daily-more-top-twenty-fives

Ugh

you're objecting, Senor Listicle?

I'm objecting to the idea that "Steven Spielberg is a great director" is a thesis statement worth debating.

another one to be outraged by

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2019/sep/13/100-best-films-movies-of-the-21st-century

Dark Knight kicking things off, promising start right there.

I am pleased to see Être et avoir, which would make my shortlist and which much of the world seems to have forgotten.

........Fucking Ted?

Really?

i think i might've seen Être et avoir? but i will again if so. thx OL

i missed Fucking Ted, was it a sequel?

Breaking Bad spinoff, iirc

I can't believe people still rep for these:

94 Gladiator
80 Requiem for a Dream
77 Lost in Translation
37 Dogville
21 The White Ribbon
7 Synecdoche, NY
6 Hidden (Cache)

I need another look at Synecdoche, a made-to-order film maudit

also liked Requiem back then

thought the list was overall pretty good, although maybe not the order. I love at least four of those films you mention, abanana

Shit list.

At least there would be more anime in the ilx poll

Watched Miguel Gomes' Tabu (2012) tonight, it is interesting. Not very many of the scenes you encounter feel like what you would expect the next scene in the film to be