Oscars 2017

Governors Awards to Frederick Wiseman, Jackie Chan, Anne Coates, Lynn Stalmaster. All downhill from here.

http://variety.com/2016/film/news/governors-awards-oscars-2017-1201848728/

@NickPinkerton
What if it turns out that the Oscar was *all* that Wiseman was working for the entire time?

Well, I've read over and over the last couple weeks that Venice is now a vital part of oscar season, so I guess Lav Diaz is a frontrunner now, huh?

which one?

Nathaniel:

To make things extra confusing Lav Diaz's four hour black-and-white Venice winner is NOT the Lav Diaz film that's one of The Philippine's finalists for their Oscar submission in 2016. The black and white Lav Diaz "movie" (he's really making miniseries, let's call them what they are!) that Philippines might submit this year is The Lullaby of the Sorrowful Mystery which is 8 hours long. (For those who'd like a comparison, last year's Golden Lion went to Desde Alla / From Afar which is Venezuela's Oscar entry this year with the Silver Lion going to Argentina's Oscar entry last year The Clan and the Grand Jury Prize to Anomalisa.)

(he's really making miniseries, let's call them what they are!)

This is... not accurate in the slightest. His films are structured as one complete narrative and are shown mainly at film festivals, projected in auditoriums; just because they're long doesn't mean they're not movies, conceived and photographed as such (or is this person saying that once a film tips over a certain arbitrary length, it automatically becomes television?)

if you're a gay Oscar blogger yes

I really want someone to cut From What is Before into a tv-series. The pilot episode would then be half an hour of people walking through forrests. Best pilot ever.

I also really want this discussion to continue until we hid the fifty-answer mark. So anytime anyone went to read up on the beginnings of the oscar-race, they'd read a long discussion of Lav Diaz and long-take aesthetics instead.

I had a vision of Mysteries of Lisbon cut into NBC-sized slices.

Ruiz' The Lines of Wellington was one of those that were both film and tv-series at the same time. I honestly thought Mysteries of Lisbon was like that too, but seems I've been mistaken. It would be great on NBC, with commercial breaks!

No, wait, rechecked IMDB, Mysteries of Lisbon WAS also a six part tv-series.

what happens when Frederik enters the Oscar thread

https://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/1566542/jackie-chan.jpg?w=400

“It is a great and wonderful recognition of the work I have been doing for over 50 years,” (Wiseman) said. “What has kept me going is that it is fun and an adventure. Constantly working keeps me off the street, or at least on the streets that I like. I am lucky to have found work that I like and continue to be obsessed with,” he said while also thanking his family. “They recognized long ago that I am a New England Jewish Puritan and let me go my errant ways.”

Finally it was time for what Academy actors branch Governor Tom Hanks called “the man who puts the Chan in Chantastic.” Hanks noted that the two genres Jackie Chan works in – martial arts and action comedies – have been historically under-represented at the Oscars, “but that will change if I have any pull on the Board of Governors.” He described Chan’s work as a mix between John Wayne and Buster Keaton. “How is this possible out of one man?”

And the man himself could not have been more excited on stage last night in his acceptance. “I still can’t believe I am standing here. It’s a dream. A long time ago when I watched the Oscars with my Dad, he said ‘Son, you get so many movie awards around the world. When are you going to get one of these?’ Finally (Academy President) Cheryl calls. I said ‘are you sure?.’ After 56 years in the film industry, making more than 200 films, after so many bones, finally this is mine.” Among fellow action stars in the room rooting him on were Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone.

http://deadline.com/2016/11/governors-awards-academy-of-motion-picture-arts-and-sciences-1201853615/

if Huppert is passed over for 5 that include Streep in Florence Foster Screechy, i would propose flooding the Kodak Theater with raw sewage.

Lately they've been reasonably successful getting one (and only one) Huppert-like candidate in best actress. I'd save the concern for Bening or Negga maybe.

i would propose flooding the Kodak Theater with raw sewage.

i.e. the other four nominees

Only just caught up with Hansen-Løve's Things to Come (I thought Eden was terrible, so had avoided it up to now). Anyway, excellent movie and Huppert is, again, superb in it - love the moments of comedy, especially with the fat black cat, that undermine both the character and Huppert's high seriousness. Would be great to see her take on a fully comic role (has she ever done this before?)

Yep -- Elle.

Huckabees too, and that cop thingy a couple years back, Tip Top. Also pretty funny in Coup de Torchon.

TtC was aiiiight, kinda like all of Hansen-Love's. Maybe her best tho.

I'll follow the nation's cue and be selfish here: http://www.slantmagazine.com/house/article/2017-oscar-nomination-predictions

i haven't seen it yet but can't fuckin' understand the Viggo Capt Fantastic thing

Same, tbh. The kids are clearly better.

Always disappointed the Cap Fan isn't a Viggo as Elton biopic.

the kids are clearly worse

It's possible more Academy members appreciate Vig's schlong more than I anticipated.

Southern Promises

Should Be Nominated: Knight of Cups

you too, huh

Captain Fantastic looked terrible but a lot of people I trust (and thought the same thing based on the trailer) loved it. who knows...

Vig is stealing our boy's slot

http://static.gofugyourself.com/uploads/2017/01/W-Viggo-Mortensen-and-Adam-Driver-1483483088.jpeg

KOC was fine until it turned into an Aetna commercial in the last 30 minutes; I don't understand the ire.

Guess Annette Bening's getting robbed, eh

hoping ralph finnes gets nommed

nuthin doin

He was my vote.

i've had that movie out from the library for weeks and have no desire to watch it.

There was a funny bad feminist art/performance scene in KoC, and that was all i think. Plus Wes Bentley was in it, and there's no excuse for that.

kinda crazy that fiennes has only had a pair of academy award noms (unless i'm mistaken on that.)

xp FP for abuse of the public library system

i've had that movie out from the library for weeks and have no desire to watch it.

guess you don't like Matthias Schoenaerts, eh

Should Be Nominated: Knight of Cups

you too, huh

oh no surprise then

apparently Black Book is the only film ive seen Matthias Schoenaerts in

Happy Hour is the overrated one from that article, honestly.

BEST PICTURE:
“Arrival”
“Fences”
“Hacksaw Ridge”
“Hell or High Water”
“Hidden Figures”
“La La Land”
“Manchester by the Sea”
“Lion”
“Moonlight”

BEST ACTOR
Casey Affleck
Andrew Garfield
Ryan Gosling
Viggo Mortensen
Denzel Washington

BEST ACTRESS
Isabelle Huppert
Ruth Negga
Natalie Portman
Emma Stone
Meryl Streep

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR
Mahershala Ali
Jeff Bridges
Lucas Hedges
Dev Patel
Michael Shannon

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS
Viola Davis
Naomie Harris
Nicole Kidman
Octavia Spencer
Michelle Williams

BEST DIRECTOR
Denis Villeneuve
Mel Gibson
Damien Chazelle
Kenneth Lonergan
Barry Jenkins

BEST ANIMATED FEATURE
“Kubo and the Two Strings”
“Moana”
“My Life as a Zucchini”
“The Red Turtle”
“Zootopia”

ANIMATED SHORT
“Blind Vaysha”
“Borrowed Time”
“Pear Cider and Cigarettes”
“Pearl”
“Piper”

ADAPTED SCREENPLAY
“Arrival”
“Fences”
“Hidden Figures”
“Lion”
“Moonlight”

ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY
“Hell or High Water”
“La La Land”
“The Lobster”
“Manchester by the Sea”
“20th Century Women”

BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY
“Arrival”
“La La Land”
“Lion”
“Moonlight”
“Silence”

BEST DOCUMENTARY FEATURE
“Fire at Sea”
“I Am Not Your Negro”
“Life Animated”
“OJ: Made in America”
“13th”

BEST DOCUMENTARY SHORT
“Extremist”
“4.1 Miles”
“Joe’s Violin”
“Watani My Homeland”
“The White Helmets”

BEST LIVE ACTION SHORT
“Ennemis Interieurs”
“La Femme et le TGV”
“Silent Nights”
“Sing”
“Timecode”

BEST FOREIGN LANGUAGE FILM
“A Man Called Ove”
“Land of Mine”
“Tanna”
“The Salesman”
“Toni Erdmann”

BEST FILM EDITING
“Arrival”
“Hacksaw Ridge”
“Hell or High Water”
“La La Land”
“Moonlight”

BEST SOUND EDITING
“Arrival”
“Deep Water Horizon”
“Hacksaw Ridge”
“La La Land”
“Sully”

BEST SOUND MIXING
“Arrival”
“Hacksaw Ridge”
“La La Land”
“Rogue One”
“13 Hours”

BEST PRODUCTION DESIGN
“Arrival”
“Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them”
“Hail Caesar!”
“La La Land”
“Passengers”

BEST ORIGINAL SCORE
“Jackie”
“La La Land”
“Lion”
“Moonlight”
“Passengers”

BEST ORIGINAL SONG
Audition
Can’t Stop the Feeling
City of Stars
Empty Chair
How Far I’ll Go

BEST MAKEUP AND HAIR
“A Man Called Ove”
“Star Trek Beyond”
“Suicide Squad”

BEST COSTUME DESIGN
“Allied”
“Fantastic Beasts”
“Florence Foster Jenkins”
“Jackie”
“La La Land”

BEST VISUAL EFFECTS
“Deepwater Horizon”
“Doctor Strange”
“Jungle Book”
“Kubo”
“Rogue One”

Ruth Negga!

Kate Beckinsale!? Snubbed! she just won London Critic's Circle prize as well.

At first glance, that's one of the less objectionable list of nominees I've seen in some time.

Is this the first year Pixar was shut out of Best Animated Feature?

oh god -- I just noticed Mel Gibson.

As usual, a few things I'm looking forward to (Arrival, Manchester by the Sea, Moonlight) and a bunch more that I have zero interest in ever watching.

The biggest surprise, for me, glancing at the list is that the love for the mediocre Hell or High Water lasted all the way to Oscar season.

b luck next time Marty

Prieto and that's it, right?^

I forget, are foreign language films excluded from best picture as a rule?

No, not always (Life Is Beautiful immediately comes to mind).

(And Crouching Tiger.)

they are excluded as a habit.

Amour most recently

Huppert's is the only nomination I cared about, Negga's too to a lesser extent

A couple of milestones I noticed:

- first time there's been a black nominee in each of the four acting categories
- first time that black actors have been in the majority in a category (supporting actress: Davis, Harris, Spencer)

First time Afrocentric entries have dominated the doc feature category?

on that score, “Fire at Sea” is largely about North Africans attempting to perilously emigrate to Europe.

How the fuck did Mel Gibson worm his way back into acceptable society

Jodie Foster's powers are unstoppable

@labuzamovies
Reminder that if Isabelle Huppert gets an Oscar nom she's legally required to play Lady Iron Man in IRON MAN 4 sorry thems the breaks

how the fuck did the studio get away with getting Dev Patel into Supporting? He plays the titular character!

there's a kid who also plays him, though

how is Viola Davis a supporting actress?

Answer: #politics

that's one of the stronger best documentary lineups I've seen

La La Land, with 14 nominations, ties the record of "most nominations ever" with Titanic and All About Eve

Wow, I didn't realize it was one of the greatest films ever, but I guess Oscar has spoken!

there's a kid who also plays him, though

the kid is only in the first 10-15 mins.

No way, the kid is the star for half the movie. Dev Patel doesn't show up until a full hour in.

20th nomination for Robostreep; she'll keep getting em after she expires if they digitize her into new things.

First year a John Williams score hasn't been nominated since '92.

have you seen her last couple movies? She's digitized already.

the kid in the first 45 minutes >> Patel

Kidman's nod is a joke too.

Posted in the wrong thread--very glad they had the good sense to nominate O.J. They've overlooked many other documentaries for the most specious of reasons (not sure if the television angle always kept Wiseman out), so it's good that they got this one right.

No Beckinsale or Grant, now that's a turn up as I'd bet they'll win the BAFTA in their respective categories.

the critics are raving about HACKSAW RIDGE!!!

Rex Reed of Observer rated the film with four stars and called it "the best war film since Saving Private Ryan. It is violent, harrowing, heartbreaking and unforgettable."

Michael Smith of Tulsa World called Hacksaw Ridge a "moving character study" and praised both the direction and acting. He observed: "It’s truly remarkable how Gibson can film scenes of such heartfelt emotion with such sweet subtlety as easily as he stages some of the most vicious, visual scenes of violence that you will ever see. ... Hacksaw Ridge is beautiful and brutal, and that’s a potent combination for a movie about a man determined to serve his country, as well as his soul."

IGN critic Alex Welch gave the film a score of 8/10, and praising it as "one of the most successful war films of recent memory" and "at times horrifying, inspiring, and heart-wrenching."

Mike Ryan of Uproxx gave the film a positive review, praising Gibson's direction, and saying: "There are two moments during the second half of Mel Gibson's Hacksaw Ridge when I literally jumped out of my seat in terror. The film's depiction of war is the best I’ve seen since Saving Private Ryan."

Peter Travers of Rolling Stone gave the film 3.5 stars and praised it as "the best war film since Saving Private Ryan and wrote: "Thanks to some of the greatest battle scenes ever filmed, Gibson once again shows his staggering gifts as a filmmaker, able to juxtapose savagery with aching tenderness." He added: "[I]t is violent, harrowing, heartbreaking and unforgettable. And yes, it was directed by Mel Gibson. He deserves a medal, too."

Matt Zoller Seitz for RogerEbert.com gave 2.5 stars out of 4 and described it as "inept and beautiful, stupid and amazing."

The first half of Hacksaw – about all I could stand before sticking the screener in my blender – was so awful that I can't imagine I care about "realistic" battles.

guess everyone is trying to frame Gibson's ability to not get caught saying anything antisemitic or racist on tape in a few years as a "comeback"

http://cdn.skim.gs/images/crlzcuzusx2egemggnxv/best-golden-globes-gifs-2017-mel-gibson-vince-vaughn

It’s truly remarkable how Gibson can film scenes of such heartfelt emotion with such sweet subtlety as easily as he stages some of the most vicious, visual scenes of violence that you will ever see

yeah, weird

The Gibson thing is wild to me because it's obvious that movie clearly doesn't have a fucking chance against Moonlight or La La Land or Manchester by the Sea, so they could have given that slot to Kubo and the Two Strings or whatever

easily the worst of the nominees (Lion is conventional lachrymose Oscarbait).

It's probably telling that I heard about Hacksaw Ridge loooooooooong before I heard that it was directed by Mel Gibson.

Lion was very not good

I heard Hacksaw Ridge, outside the theater -- BOOM BOOM BOOM

The trailer I saw only said "from the Oscar-winning director of Braveheart"

I was expecting Lion to be much much worse tbh

Lucas Hedges!

La La Land wishes it were as good as Titanic.

Okay! I already don't wanna see it!

The Handmaiden too good for that bunch, but production design at least, maroons

max martin's first oscar nom is a song from trolls

Lion was fine, if melodramatic, but the kid was amazing.

Speaking of, Mahershala Ali was very good but I feel like there had to have been some vote splitting that prevented the iterations of Chiron (particularly the latter two) from getting the acclaim they deserved this awards season.

Just noticed Ali. Hope he wins--very engaging in that film. (I assume Shannon is for Nocturnal Animals. He'd be a good choice too.)

La La Land, with 14 nominations, ties the record of "most nominations ever" with Titanic and All About Eve

― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, January 24, 2017 3:46 PM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there's nothing hollywood loves more than itself so this is no surprise

so did they love All About Eve for its trashing of the theatuh?

(after all it was a way to avoid honoring the Hollywood horror of Sunset Blvd)

As my Oscar blogging cohort just told me, Donald Trump just won The Salesman the foreign film Oscar.

Welllll since I can't search for the actual Moonlight thread, I'll just post here that Mahershala Ali's SAG speech took my legs out from under me last night.

Wow, I was literally trying to do the same right now, trying to find a Moonlight thread! Saw it this weekend, it was great.

And otm, that speech was something else.

Moonlight, directed by Barry Jenkins

Thank you Jed!

omg, it's a COOKBOOK!

"It bears repeating. The likelihoods of a movie being Certified Fresh, financially successful and being nominated for Academy Awards, is knowable at the point of development."

https://filmonomics.slated.com/the-secret-formula-predicting-oscar-gold-2-years-in-advance-5d6394a1510c#.q6n90shv9

Little Miss Sunshine got a slated script score of 91%, the highest in their list.

Glad to see Michael Shannon get a nom for Nocturnal Animals which I just saw last night and really enjoyed. Also watched Manchester which was ok but it is not nearly as good as that guy's other two films; it's miles worse than Margaret. Moonlight is far and away the best film out of the bunch. Beckinsale def. got robbed, that was maybe my second favorite film of the year. Also saw hidden figures this week; I see the value in a movie like that but could it have been more hackneyed and disneyfied? Why insert a white saviour into that movie? for fuck's sake there is a scene where they dance in the kitchen.

It's 2017 and there are still more people who dance in their kitchens than their are black female scientists working at NASA. Hidden Figures is the movie America needs right now.

I may have to walk away from the thread because akm admitted to liking Nocturnal Animals.

I like pretentious films!

My issue withHodden Figures is really more that it portrays probably more progress than really exists. If there still aren't many black women working at NASA, NASA is partly to blame; yet NASA certainly seems to be patting itself on the back on this. I understand artistic liberties but to have the white guy come in and save everyone when this never happened is disappointing. The performances are all very good though.

I thought Nocturnal Animals stupider than Hidden Figures.

I left Hidden Figures and felt nothing except satisfaction that a movie with these actresses and this plot would become a box office hit; I turned off Nocturnal Animals devastated by the offal that fashion designers pass off as art.

As I said before, the three things Figures lionizes are women, minorities and science. What more do you want at this point in our history?

well said but i still aint seein it

It lionzes a white guy who didn't exist in history in this particular story, which is my only problem with it.

Anyway I watched Fences last night and this movie is getting overlooked, holy shit; Denzel and Viola should both win for their categories. I think Moonlight is a better film and should win best picture, but this is my close second favorite of the year (Arrival would be third I guess).

America does not need movies, TV is the Thing

Viola Davis is going to win.

Denzel has a legitimate shot too.

ftr Fences was a fine, often stilted adaptation of a good American play and I've got nothing against Davis or Washington-the-actor (the problems are with Washington-the-direction). I wish Jovan Adepo and Stephen Henderson had received the attention that Davis has gotte.

I have no issues with the direction. it is stagey, and the movie doesn't move much beyond "a visual representation of a stage play" but it worked for me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiyrbtGrNUA

Fucking Academy had the video pulled.

what was it

A skit they played at the Academy luncheon of Kate McKinnon playing a starlet from the '30s demonstrating how not to give an acceptance speech. Probably only funny to dedicated Oscar nuts, but anyone in old movie drag shouting "fuck" gets a laugh from me.

I've only seen one of the five performances, so I don't know who they leave out, but Rebecca Hall should have been nominated for Christine.

And Cynthia Nixon should win for A Quiet Passion, but there's a bunch of complications with that.

I've no idea why they would have deleted that Kate McK skit?

One complication is that she's not nominated.

And another complication that she probably wasn't eligible, as the film will only be released in the US this april. Still. Should have won.

Christ you're a dumbfuck

Guess which Best Picture nominee has outgrossed La La Land.

My retired parents just saw Hidden Figures last night for the third or fourth time.

hey it's E&E

http://www.slantmagazine.com/house/categories/awards

LOL'd at Ed's third sentence in foreign film

Saw Lion, I thought it was really good!

that is, undoubtedly, an amazing story. Rooney Mara didn't need to be there but I understand why they'd put her in otherwise it's a guy playing with google earth for 45 minutes. The child actors in the first half are all excellent. Dev Patel was fine.

After seeing I Am Not Your Negro last night, I suspect Doris Day voted for the OJ documentary.

(IANYN is an essay, really)

Is it a worthwhile essay, though (would like to see it this weekend)?

oh hell yes

burning up the box office in NYC too, just got in before sellout last night

Arguably the best doc feature lineup ever, no?

Oops, forgot Life Animated got a nod.

it sure is

post

xpost

missed this

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/race/oscars-warren-beatty-faye-dunaway-planning-bonnie-clyde-reunion-972762

"I do, though, take pleasure in Huppert having won the Golden Globe, because if she hadn't, then I would have had to spend the entirety of this article contemplating the prospect of Stone losing this award to Natalie Portman's performance in Pablo Larraín's A Muppet Leaves the White House."

http://www.slantmagazine.com/house/article/oscar-2017-winner-predictions-actress

"First there's Taylor Sheridan's screenplay for Hell or High Water, which is jaundiced and perhaps overstated but otherwise resembles the cinematic equivalent to those hand-wringing op-eds in the wake of the 2016 election that shamed the left for not reaching across the aisle."

not even gonna start, Eric.

loooool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFim0IPtmrM

^year's best 2-minute performance?

Is there a current gay thread anymore? I got a breakup go get over.

What don't you want?

Eric, there is/was but it has an inclusive title and good luck finding it with Search broken.

You started dating again?!

I like the idea of the Oscars thread subbing for the gay thread. I seem to recall the last few attempts never getting off the ground.

I wouldn't call it dating. It was a relationship, and the background/scope of this relationship is so immense that I'm actually crumbling right now. (I have an appointment with my therapist tonight, thankfully; one I'd scheduled before I pulled the plug over the weekend.)

hugs, Eric.

It's still really hitting me hard -- a nine-year story line in my life coming to a crashing close ... This is so not the thread for this.

Awww, Eric. Sorry to hear.

(To reign in the dramatics just a bit, it wasn't a nine-year relationship. Just someone I had a major crush on since I first saw him nine years ago and finally formed a relationship last spring long after settling for friendship.)

sorry to hear, dear.

may Oscar be your salve... no, that's not even funny

Life lesson #1: TELL SOMEONE YOU'RE ATTRACTED TO THAT YOU'RE ATTRACTED TO THEM RIGHT OFF THE BAT!

it's easier when you're older and don't gaf

LOL, after nine years ... I am older!!

someone I had a major crush on since I first saw him nine years ago

it wasn't Obama, right?

Oof, no but I did meet Obama while standing next to him.

Suddenly I feel like Rebecca in that last episode of Cheers, trying to hold it together on a fake double date at the restaurant upstairs and everything triggers her into tearful spasms. What a feeling!

:(

this is yr chance to transform into a mackdaddy like R Gosling (smooth segue)

Eric as someone who also recently cut/lost ties with someone I first developed a thing for about 9 years ago I feel yr pain

xp Yeah, my long-deferred slut stage has to kick in now (or never).

OK, seriously, sorry for the thread derail. Carry on.

In looking up some August Wilson-related stage credits, I discovered I saw Viola Davis in the Broadway production of his Seven Guitars in 1996, just as her film career was starting.

Time for the Hollywood Reporter's anonymous Oscar voter.

* "I hated the German movie [Toni Erdmann] so much because it was so shticky — Germans are not funny! The only part of the whole movie where I laughed was when she couldn't get out of her tight dress and just ripped it off and went around naked. I hear Jack Nicholson is going to be in a remake, and he might make it funny."

* "[Elle's] Isabelle Huppert is an ice-cold actress, and I eliminated her because when you get attacked, beaten and raped, you're not the same person afterward, but she was, and I wanted to slap her to try to get a reaction out of her."

* "I hated Arrival — it just sucked. I didn't like Fences because they just filmed the play — I wanted to see the guy go into the jazz club and play his music, the girl who's having his baby, his kid on the football field. But I think Denzel [Washington, its producer/director/star] decided that every word of the script [by the late August Wilson] was so precious that he wasn't going to "mess" with it, and the movie suffered as a result."

* "I'm ruling out O.J. [Made in America] even though I still have an hour of it left to watch — maybe for younger people this is new stuff, but for me it's just reliving a part of the past I don't need to relive. I was disappointed with I Am Not Your Negro — I was really looking forward to learning more about James Baldwin's life, rather than his ideas (which I already knew), because when I first came to New York as a young actress, he was such an avant-garde playwright and fascinating guy."

how sweet, to be an idiot

I laughed at the Elle remark.

James Baldwin was such a fascinating guy!

The only way I can reconcile her correct opinion about Baldwin with the rest of that dur-de-durrr is to assume that she finds him fascinating for different reasons than I do.

"He's sexy -- and dead!"

i'm sympathetic to her stance on the OJ doc (unseen by me), but since i ignored the trial as much as possible i'm willing to give it a shot.

Not knowing shit about the trial other than a few names helped.

OJ doc is well researched, they provide a lot of detail beyond the basic story, (ie the coverage of his childhood and college years is really interesting) and you get a lot more context when they get to the stuff most people know. And they talked to a LOT of people, so it's not just weirdo outsiders or professional commentators

The college chapter and early football career were fascinating and fully absorbing.

If Affleck is winning, I'm a little skeptical that Lonergan will lose to LLL for script, but whatta I know.

http://www.slantmagazine.com/house/article/oscar-2017-winner-predictions

halfway through the OJ doc with my jaw on the floor. the backstory isn't that well known over here despite the doc portraying him as the best known/loved guy in the States or whatever. until the live-on-tv chase i swear i'd barely heard of the guy (The Towering Inferno was about all i'd seen of him). but yeah grim and sad and fascinating and shocking for all kinds of reasons. never really seen a doc like this one before.

is it better than the people vs OJ Simpson? because that (despite being a docudrama) was the shit

its way better than that

yeah I agree that it's way better but I also couldn't get through PvOJ so I'm biased

TBF, even as an American, I really only knew OJ as the goofball from The Naked Gun before all that other shit went down.

born too late

let's steer back to betting and whether Beatty-Dunaway will really happen

TFE going w/ 9 Oscars for LLL, Dev Patel for supporting actor

http://thefilmexperience.net/prediction-index/

http://thefilmexperience.net/blog/2017/2/25/final-oscar-predictions.html

It might happen. My predictions: https://humanizingthevacuum.wordpress.com/2017/02/25/big-bold-beautiful-oscar-2016-predictions/

The Hollywood Reporter's anonymous Oscar voter would appear to be about 70 years old or perhaps even older.

is the average oscar voter is older than the average lifespan yet?

would almost give Moonlight a 10% crack at an upset, bcz if The Salesman is a shoo-in for foreign film as a middle finger to Yam, why not go all the way?

but too gay, too black i suppose

I'm doubting Ali may win. Who knows.

http://i67.tinypic.com/2ccky9w.png

If Trump tweets that the Oscars are overrated I think for once I won't be able to disagree.

anyone got a link to a livestream that's not that abc one?

Michael Strahan's interviews with Halle Berry and Janelle Monae have been pleasantly substantive for a red carpet show

plz explain

when does it start gang?

10 minutes i think

I'd have sex with Andrew Garfield, despite the vertical problem.

Anyone got a stream link?

i need the same

no you don't

and Jimmy Kimmel being strangely funny, what is going on?

yeah this is...inessential

Oh hi kjb!

guys remember when jt aggressively shouted out denzel washington while singing "lovely day"

Hey MVB!

JEFF BRIDGES AND ISABELLE HUPPERT ARE SITTING TOGETHER

i guess we won't be watching, kjb

i have a useless fucking antenna that doesnt pull in shit

Mahershala Ali first winner

MAHERSHALA

he turned back to shake jeff bridges's hand <3 <3 <3

looked genuine too

they are like the two best, most radiant people in the world

if i'm not watching, who gives a fuck?

Alfred, those are the stars of Heaven's Gate

Legit stream http://mobile.tab3live.com/match/88/live-stream/128

Bateman's had some work.

I'm...aware of it? But it's been 40 years.

congratulations suicide squad

Suicide Squad is an Oscar winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i am not staying on the thread if someone doesnt give me a fucking feed

threat or promise?

http://mobile.tab3live.com/match/88/live-stream/128

have you no internet, old man? Google "Oscar live streams"

yeah and it's all bullshit phishing sites and dead YouTube links

Suicide Squad is an Oscar winner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jai Courtney won for his performance as "Captain Boomerang", the moonlight kids are rioting

taraji looks unreal sorry 2 b shallow but it's troo

aww <3

is this the longest film to win an oscar ever?

yay OJ doc. glad he gave it up for Nicole and Ron. shame Kimmell made an OJ joke after mind.

how many people in the crowd partied with O.J.?

I'm live blogging: http://wp.me/pzXeC-64F

Lin's got kissability.

fucking TV show wins an Oscar

premiered in the cinema tho right?

LMM intro rap was atrocious, worst than the song's truck driver's gear change

is Kimmell stoned?

i wouldn't really call it a rap; more spoken word, which, yes, puke

ooh Arrival and not La La. is that 'an upset'?

But Lin's pretty so he can do whatever he wants.

apparently Hamilton is coming to Austin, but he wasn't really selling me on it

Hamilton is gr8

Kimmell is droll to a fault zzzz

Chris Evans, my flame is ON

OMG! WTF? The sound mixing on Hacksaw Ridge was terrible!!!! (J/k it was alright I guess.)

an acknowledgment that Mel Gibson has an expert ear for the sound of the wounded, maimed, and dying.

Holy shit! A performance by Sting! popcorn dot gif!

does anyone have a feed that doesn't freeze constantly?

Don't you have Optimum? You can use your ID/pw to sign on to ABC.com and watch it for free, home skillet.

i do not!

btw La La Land was widely predicted to win sound, it ain't breaking any records.

Well, whatever you have for your cable modem, use that, gay guy who hasn't seen Mommie Dearest.

la la land's sound mixing wasn't very good. "actors who can't sing? let's turn down the volume on the vocals."

fucking TV show wins an Oscar

premiered in the cinema tho right?

Yeah, in 2 cities? Where you ALL saw it.

i get my web thru V3rizon and don't have cable, hooker

You so don't need to see that OJ doc in a theatre, underrater of films maudits.

Then use your Veriiiizon ID, overrater of TV comedy.

wind it up jeesus h

orchestral Heat Is On is pretty tight!

Why the hell are they playing old tv themes for commercial breaks

unlike in the movies, when Viola Davis cries IRL, there is no snot

The world will little note, nor long remember, that after Viola Davis’ speech an orchestra version of “The Heat is On” bopped without fuss.

orchestral Heat Is On is pretty tight!

― piscesx,

tighter than Viola Davis' speech?

I DO NOT SUBSCRIBE TO FiOS, BITCH

Um, yeah, anyone not properly worshipful of Confessions of an Opium Eater (Albert Zugsmith, 1962) has no business pronouncing on the verisimilitude of snot.

The Verisimilitude of Snot: A Man's Odyssey

bathroom break time

drinking game rules for this year? Trump-bash means take a sip!

Sting's song was thankfully short

Oh here's that Sting performance you read about.

OK why is the ABC.com feed in America so damn late? Sting just started here (or is it just NYC?).

Lasted just long enough for me to take out the garbage xpost

No lutes or mandolins, just El Stingo on a stool with frustrating, perfect posture plucking a guitar singing a tune about trees and forgiveness.

Lasted just long enough for me to take out the garbage xpost

― Wet Pelican would provide the soundtrack (Myonga Vön Bontee),

you forgot to take something w/you

I'd like to think that Viola Davis' Oscar was at least a little bit for her performance in Suicide Squad

another few quid for Andrew Loog Oldham, Mick and Keith.

Can I use this thread just to rip on Morbz's tastes?

Yay Zootopia!

Moana was better

that incredible 50 Shades chemistry works just as well in real life.

More like Pootopia, amirite?

this is awkward

jesus h christ

gtfo Jason Bateman is a fox

Okay enough with this fucking tour bus joke. Picking on the rubes won't help you after November 2016.

it's a bad pastiche of Letterman. And everyone's dreading what might happen should those minorities stick fingers in the Mel Gibson change.

change = cage

lol'd @ dude just grabbing mahershalas oscar to pose w even if obv jokingly

show badly needs a non-comedian host to avoid this pseudo-Ellen crap

were they actors? can't tell. the pizza delivery guy that one year was real so who can say.

also the feed fucking sucks. good night.

(Note: The real Morbz isn't this cranky, y'all. xoxoxoxo)

if they were actors whomever cast them deserves ten oscars

Cinephiles of the world love american cinema!!!!

America!!

that one guy who said his favorite american movie was forrest gump was inserted in there to make up for the guy who poked the academy in the eye by dropping do the right thing

they should just reenact Cecil B Demented and call it a night

Riz Ahmed is so beautiful.

otm

He's perfect.

and he's really blowing up lately! He's been in most of the films and TV shows I've seen recently.

You said "blowing."

some of the joeks are pretty good this year tbf.

hacksaw ridge in the lead with 2 wins

According to Mel Gibson's expression, he just met his editor

love Meryl but this has to stop.

Javier Bardem, Meryl Streep, and the song from Batman Forever

Would it be too trolly to state that John Legend is every bit as boring as Sting?

Sting was interesting at one point tho.

this may be worse than the Sting bit, definitely longer

Is this still the first song?

Moonlight guy wuz robbed for best score

I think Mica Levi was the first female composer ever nominated?

Wife? ... Huh.

Who knew Tarell was 7 foot tall?

blergh chazelle best director

http://jezebel.com/here-is-samuel-l-jackson-being-forced-to-give-la-la-la-1792772529

"blah blah bland" About 2,170 results (0.58 seconds)

The fuck?

what just happened?

what

Why can't anything just be easy anymore?

well, we're all doomed

omfg what

This may be the most insane thing that has ever happened at the Oscars.

holy shit!

I feel bad for Warren Beatty

WOW. That's like the biggest Oscar fuck up ever, but awesome?

keep octagenarians off live tv ffs

!!!!!!

(worth staying up until 5.15am just to post that, obv)

Why oh why this is not what happened at the elections

ohm

ohm

Ha, meditating. OTM!

They'll never have AARP members present best picture again.

Just crazy. What happened to all the double secret handcuffs and briefcase shit?

so happy for 'moonlight' though.. but how did that happen??!!! man

this week in: old ppl are the worst

lolololol

good night, Rigged Oscars!

even 5 years ago a film like Moonlight stood no chance

I feel bad for Warren Beatty

Me too. It was clear that something was going on with him when he opened the envelope. He then explained that it said Emma Stone and it had confused him. It wasn't him who announced it. But Twitter is still all "lol doddery old man fucks up".

yeahh, as "entertaining" as that was, I feel bad for everyone involved including Barry Jenkins and co. kinda stole their thunder...

At least this finally debunks that stupid Marissa Tomei rumour.

BEATTY YA DONE FUCKED UP

/jk

/not really

I seriously cant stand him & make no apologies for it

holy fucking shit

this is sick i won a hundred bucks

Geez, how did that happen?

geez VG, of all the ppl to not stand

at last, something to unite us all, hatred of famous senior citizens

i hate James Woods too if that evens things out at all

i wish he had fucked this up

a victory for every filmmaker that divide their films in three distinct parts!

so wait, DUNAWAY is the one who fucked up? Why are you guys burying the lede?

Beatty always feels like he's the smooth guy with a jacket over his shoulder wandering through movies giving finger guns to everyone off camera idk

i dont know what it is, i find him unpleasant & creepy

did you not recognize her? that must be it xp

they fucked it up together

beatty started it

anyway i like faye so :)

yes it was faye dunaway who announced la la land.

I like both of them, but Beatty clearly didn't want to announce it and then came back on to explain why. Yeah, I guess he could have said "wait, I don't think this is right" but Dunaway took the card off him and announced La La Land.

Basically, some Academy intern or someone fucked up. And Warren Beatty's entire career is going to be reduced to "fucked up the Oscars that time".

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oscar-wrong-winner-marisa-tomei_us_58af326de4b0a8a9b780339f

And Warren Beatty's entire career is going to be reduced to "fucked up the Oscars that time".

...by people who don't watch movies made before the 80s?

wait who is warren beaty?

is he the guy who fucked up at the oscars? oh yeah that dude

http://static.goldderby.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Warren-Beatty-Faye-Dunaway-620x360.jpg

Yeah. It's all short-term memory and fake news and post-truth and shit these days innit xpost

seems like everyone else mostly feels bad for him & ppl are saying on twitter now that Beatty wasnt to blame, Dunaway read it etc etc

CaptainSaveABeattys will be fine i think

i'm ok being an island of irrational hate

Weirdly/coincidentally, I had half-hoped that the death car in B&C was to be the "most famous car in movie history" that Kimmel alluded to earlier

It's definitely not Dunaway's fault either. She just had a quick look at the card.

fuckin Price-Waterhouse

No, it's no-one's fault except whoever gave them the wrong card to start with.

Sorry for being all Cap'n Save A Beatty, I clearly follow all the wrong people on Twitter.

It's Leonardo diCaprio's fault:

https://twitter.com/accesshollywood/status/836084974033915904

At the after-awards press event, Stone said she had her card the whole time.

this is taking away from the awesomeness of a film like moonlight winning the goddamn oscars.

I know wtf!!!

yeah it sounds like there was a duplicate envelope or something

Still woulda been way funnier if they'd switched it with the envelope containing Suicide Squad.

lol at the oscars literally turning into bojack horseman

it's the 50th anniversary of bonnie and clyde and the 30th anniversary of ishtar fwiw

Still woulda been way funnier if they'd switched it with the envelope containing Suicide Squad.

― some sad trombone Twilight Zone shit (cryptosicko), Sunday, February 26, 2017 11:57 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Trump's got an Executive Order for that...

there are always TWO cards. A blog comment w/ very plausible theory:

I think they use a 2 envelope system - each award has 2 envelopes, one given to the presenter, and one held backstage by the CPAs. The one backstage is the only other written proof of the winner, and they open it to confirm the result. The mistake, I assume, is that Beatty was handed the 2nd Emma Stone envelope. The only other explanation, which seems unlikely, is that the BP envelope had the wrong card in it. Regardless, what a fuck up. No way Price Waterhouse will retain this gig.

it was like watching a weird family Christmas but with celebrities and on tv

this is taking away from the awesomeness of a film like moonlight winning the goddamn oscars.

hey i saw it last night and it was pretty good, but not in my top 20 of the year.

Beatty was holding the Actress in a Leading Role envelope, apparently.

https://twitter.com/Vallmeister/status/836085858012958720

(y'all go see Elle)

hey i saw it last night and it was pretty good, but not in my top 20 of the year.

I mean I agree but it's still one of their best winners in the last oh three decades

Was Kimmel's best joke “O.J., you get an extra slice of baloney on your sandwich tonight.” ? That's pretty good.

the "We Bought a Zoo" thing was kinda funny

but the thing with the tourists was the worst thing I've ever seen

well sure Simon, compared to piles of ordure like Crash and Slumdog Millionaire

just saying they could have went with another more conservative pile of ordure :)

@labuzamovies

Guys we need a Warren style Commission on Jack Nicholson on BROKEBACK - CRASH now.

that OJ joke was v v good

trolling Damon was p funny too

oh yeah i won (3-way tie) a prediction contest! I don't know what I get, but I was confused when my total went down by one at the end of the show...

https://poorstuart.com/can-you-beat-the-crowd-2017-crowd-central/

more behind the scenes intrigue here

https://twitter.com/usatodaylife/status/836089346163949568

Anyhow... yet another Oscars that went on way too long. They've got to cut stuff and get it to around 3 hours if they want it to be enjoyable. My annual advice: they should cut some awards (say editing, sound x2, makeup, production design), have the main host present some awards to cut out presenter introductions, and make the non-award bits shorter. That hour in the middle with the awards no one cares about and sting and john legend was unbearable.

All of the clips of previous Oscars should have been cut. The "stars with their favorite old stars" was lame, but at least it had a punchline. Good job on skipping the interpretive dance this year.

yo what the fuck that was WILD

so glad i watched some sketchy stream of it live

Beatty somehow had both envelopes? Best Pic & Best Actress

this is like when my mum deleted the trashcan on her computer

oh and the speeches were mostly decent this year. kudos to whoever helped write them.

yeah overall p decent oscars imo

They just need to cut best song as an award and you've freed up half an hour already.

Plus what a.way to go out, on a stupid nursery rhyme song.

Yeah, best song is the most laborious and most time consuming category. Fuck it.

I've been watching the wrong OJ Simpson thing lol

it's still good mind u

<<They've got to cut stuff and get it to around 3 hours if they want it to be enjoyable.>>

Fuck that. They need to be longer! More awards! Best key grip. Best catering. Best orgy sequence advisor. Longer speeches. More film clips. More Rob Lowe/Snow White dances. We have to put up with untold hours of sports bullshit so you can handle four/five hours of the Gay Super Bowl.

dude snatching the card from Beatty was savage

The real question is whether advertisers would pony up enough cash for the chance to capture all those enthralled gay eyeballs.

(((James Urbaniak))) @JamesUrbaniak

Faye Dunaway reads whatever you put in front of her, that's how Mommie Dearest happened.

^^^hate speech

The weirdest thing about it was the third La La Land guy giving his speech although he already seems to know that it's a mistake.

Have we pinpointed the exact frame his heart breaks in?

People complaining about the nadir of american culture itt

James Urbaniak can go fuck himself.

But seriously, that ending was one of the only two things from live TV I'm sure I will remember for the rest of my lifetime. The other being 9/11.

I only get around to films 2 years after their release but really looking fwd to Moonlight

is La La Land in fact the worst film ever made though? because everything I read about it makes me break out in hives

like what is its appeal meant to be bc I can't discern any

its basically "what would happen if the Glee cast grew up, but never grew out of being completely self centered narcissists" from a director who doesn't really understand jazz, love or musicals

I love musicals but Whiplash got jazz so wrong I've little interest in La La

i guess the real shock is it never happening before.

Several Oscar BP winners of the last 20 years are among the worst films ever made; LLL wouldn't have been one of them.

btw I guess Best Picture and Director splits are going to be normal, now?

"even 5 years ago a film like Moonlight stood no chance"

yeah, shame about twelve years a slave not winning anything at the oscars...

(if you mean, a film about working class black ppl/gay black men in modern america, then okay, yeah)

"btw I guess Best Picture and Director splits are going to be normal, now?"

as they should be

pleased jackie didnt win anything. one of the most unwatchable films i have seen recently.

it should've been nominated for Best Foreign Language.

Haha

Miles Teller‏ @Miles_Teller
Congrats to Moonlight!!

the really huge issue for me was Silence being completely missing... other than losing to fucking La La Land for cinematography. sort of wanted Marty to do a kanye.

what if La La Land had won but Beatty announced Moonlight as the winner, that would have been interesting

some ppl seem to think beatty did it on purpose. as if he was going to just pass off la la land as the winner cos HE wanted to!

if he said it was moonlight when the card said la la land, then he would be regarded as a hero.

yeah, no one wants the fucking Oscars to be enjoyable

also Seth Rogen called BACK TO THE FUTURE "the baseline of classic cinema." I'm sure at least 20 of you came in your pants there.

Seth Rogen, the baseline of Canadian morons

also next time I will listen to the little voice in my head and lay some money down

would almost give Moonlight a 10% crack at an upset, bcz if The Salesman is a shoo-in for foreign film as a middle finger to Yam, why not go all the way?

but too gay, too black i suppose

― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Sunday, February 26, 2017 6:15 PM

From the crowd, "Moonlight" actor Mahershala Ali, a winner for best supporting actress, noticed the activity.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/27/entertainment/academy-awards-mistake-what-happened/index.html

also Seth Rogen called BACK TO THE FUTURE "the baseline of classic cinema." I'm sure at least 20 of you came in your pants there.

― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, February 27, 2017 6:18 AM (thirty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Give us some credit, Morbz. Clearly BTTF 2 is the correct answer here.

From that CNN article:

From the crowd, "Moonlight" actor Mahershala Ali, a winner for best supporting actress, noticed the activity.

that ending was one of the only two things from live TV I'm sure I will remember for the rest of my lifetime

I know you were about 12 when the Twins last won the Series, but still...

James Urbaniak for president.

http://20.theladbiblegroup.com/s3/content/9c0872e558b4beba96264ad54e07f6cb.jpg

Does Gosling have a face that differs from that face?

Just realized that we're one Bryce Dallas Howard win away from Academy Awarding all of the primary actresses from The Help.

Oh wait, never mind, didn't realize that only one of the three redheads have actually won. Carry on.

Jurassic World 2, out this summer!

Remidns me of that bit in 1992 when some people thought Jack Palance had made a mistake in reading Marisa Tomei's name.

Tomei is good! So many worse winners.

btw Price Waterhouse is investigating! This snafu is obviously going to be an HBO movie within two years.

An Emmy-winning HBO movie.

Shirley MacLaine as Warren Beatty

tomei is great. she was good in that movie (don't know whether she deserved to win that year or not, can't remember who she was against), but she's obviously done loads of oscar worthy stuff since so it wasn't some stupid fluke

def a Jay Roach-level topic xxp

starting to think it was all planned (or wanting it to be, out of boredom)

whole ceremony would have been more exciting if elle won best picture (not that I even know what to think about that film, several months after seeing it)

they are never going to let old people present this award ever again, let's be honest. it said "best actress" on it.

What seemes likely is that PW printed two Emma Stone envelopes and mistakenly handed the second to Beatty.

also, they really didn't have time to stick bill paxton into their Death Parade Powerpoint?

They always have two, as I understand it - two people with briefcases containing all the awards envelope (travelling separately to the event!), they stand on either side of the stage and hand the presenters the right envelope. Or not.

I wonder what nefarious shit the Turnip is going to pull while the country obsesses over this national tragedy.

Trump likes the Oscars, I'm sure he lost sleep too.

In hindsight, the smart thing would have been to call someone over from the side of the stage to check the card, but I have no idea how I would react in that situation with the camera on me. Maybe the problem with all of the double-briefcase precautions is that the presenters aren't braced for the possibility of something going wrong.

whole ceremony would have been more exciting if elle won best picture (not that I even know what to think about that film, several months after seeing it)

I was watching for a bit but turned it off when I heard "And the winner is Emma..."

of course:

Audible gasps escaped from the mezzanine, with Oscars guests turning to each other and whispering, "What?" Onlookers looked deflated; they were mostly La La Land die-hards. Only a handful stood and clapped when Moonlight was announced as the rightful winner.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2017/02/27/heres-how-worst-flub-oscar-history-went-down/98466956/

cnn has a blow up now of the envelope on their front page and it prtty clearly says 'actress in a leading role' on the outside of it. whoever handed that off to them fucked up.

'If at any point you realize you're reading the wrong card, calmly bite down on the cyanide capsule implanted in your right rear molar.'

When Beatty stared befuddled at Dunaway I'd thought, "God, this guy has aged." I still think so.

The online response to the Suicide Squad Oscar seems to be HAHA SUICIDE SQUAD, but at least that guy said something about immigration in his speech. Good for him. He's going to be in so much shit when he tries to get in and out of the US now.

The Oscars also botched the In Memoriam segment

more like the botch-scars amirite

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oscar-wrong-winner-marisa-tomei_us_58af326de4b0a8a9b780339f

honestly the In Memoriam fuckup is even sloppier

i was surprised at how low the category name appears on the actual cards. it seemed to be right near the bottom. i dont blame anyone for getting confused.

In hindsight, the smart thing would have been to call someone over from the side of the stage to check the card, but I have no idea how I would react in that situation with the camera on me. Maybe the problem with all of the double-briefcase precautions is that the presenters aren't braced for the possibility of something going wrong.

Totally this. It's classic instrument malfunction leading to operator error stuff. Beatty with better instincts would have thought to nose down and port rudder instead of continuing up into the stall and letting Dunaway read it.

Lol that the same thing happened to Sammy Davis Jr but for "best adaptation/treatment score"

"Wait till the NAACP hears about this"

But at least in that case he read out the correct winner (just early).

He wasn't so much letting Dunnaway read it as showing her the card to confirm his confusion but she only glanced and saw a film name and read it v quickly.

^^^ this is pretty obvious based on a rewatch

looking forward to Soto and Tomboto presenting best picture next year, to avoid fuckups.

"...and Rian Johnson wins everything."

"Let me see that."

yeah this is 100% on faye

looking forward to Soto and Tomboto presenting best picture next year, to avoid fuckups.

― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius)

I may not be able to see it due to gin fog

the real question is why the "backup" Stone envelope wasn't opened by the accountant backstage 10 minutes earlier, per protocol, when she won.

And now on to more pressing things, like anything

Beatty and Dunaway are never gonna work in this town again. So much for On Golden Pond 2.

yeah Dunaway saw Emma Stone and thought it meant La La Land, which is a not unreasonable conclusion.

yeah this is 100% on faye

Don't you do that!

http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/31300000/Faye-Dunaway-faye-dunaway-31383610-500-250.gif

The film name would have been on the cars as well, I thought - not entirely sure if Faye Dunaway knows who Emma Stone is.

Does Gosling have a face that differs from that face?

― The Flautist of Flatus (Old Lunch), Monday, February 27, 2017 8:37 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't think anyone's ever requested this of him before.

Emma Stone: a crusty but benign police chief who's always getting heat from the commissioner.

Does anyone think it was planned

No. Because why.

absolutely not

good publicity.

also, good material for alt right ppl to work with when they are looking for alt facts stuff to use

You think PwC would accept the blow to their reputation?

imo Beatty showed it to her in order to have a second opinion and was all "ohhh shit" when she immediately made an announcement

it were emboldened trump shitheads

that is literally the only plausible interpretation!

xp mh

You think he'd know better than to trust the judgment of someone who made her post-Network choices.

The people who produce the Oscars think it's important, or needs to be seen as such, so slapstick isn't good for them. Even if Ryan Gosling thinks it's funny.

their job was to read the largest text on the card, which read "Emma Stone", and they failed

then at least they would have had the right winner, but wrong category and too late

posted on DJP's facebook post about this last night that Emma Stone, in the background, had this "oh god someone fix this or I'm one of history's worst monsters" expression on her face

and I didn't even remember the existence of Aloha

What would be the purpose of it not being an accident? So the Oscars can leverage it to draw in viewers for future telecasts? "You won't BELIEVE how much we're gonna fuck up this year! Celebrate the magic of the movies and a bunch of stupid and completely avoidable mistakes on Hollywood's biggest night! Only on ABC!"

Emma stone won best picture.

Kirk Douglas and Olivia deHavilland are going to read the voting rules next year to kill the first hour

xpost

youre underestimating people's love of fuck ups

who wants to tweet or create memes on boring winners

fuck ups are much more fun (and this fuck up actually wasnt just a fuck up, it had a good ending)

also, ppl just like schaudenfraude. and LLL vs moonlight has acquired political significance so who isnt going to want to encourage that debate in some way. i can think of better ways to do this, obv, but id believe it if i found out someone thought it could be 'interesting' to do this.

You're overthinking. This is Dumbshit Hollywood.

"a bunch of stupid and completely avoidable mistakes"

That's no way to talk about the Best Picture nominees.

Beatty needed to step up to the mic at the end of the Moonlight speeches and say, "Rules Don't Apply -- watch it today on Digital HD!"

James Ferraro said this was the 9/11 of the Fake News era.

Rules Don't Apply was one of my favorite movies of last year, all y'all should check it out for real

whoever he is, he should be beaten with a hammer xp

You're overthinking. This is Dumbshit Hollywood.

more broadly, people just fuck up all the time, esp when their systems are needlessly complicated with many potential points of failure

btw, who "won" the obit montage? I'll guess Gene Wilder.

"James Ferraro said this was the 9/11 of the Fake News era."

almost

btw, who "won" the obit montage? I'll guess Gene Wilder.

Carrie Fisher. Paxton got a mention in the intro.

imo the woman who was accidentally in the montage but is still living won, by being alive

was about to ask if anyone had seen Rules Don't Apply

reserved at the library! disc is March 14, i think

"imo Beatty showed it to her in order to have a second opinion and was all "ohhh shit" when she immediately made an announcement"

he and dunaway have both had so much plastic surgery it's really hard to read their expressions or understand what it was they were thinking at that moment

would Beatty have been better off not attempting an explanation?

https://frinkiac.com/gif/S09E23/1284365/1288319.gif?b64lines=IE9LQVkuIGhlcmUncyB3aGF0IAppIHRoaW5rIGhhcHBlbmVkLg==

His explanation makes sense. What's the problem?

I hope, between discussion here and the dozens of thinkpieces currently in the works, that we're finally able to get to the bottom of this sometime within the next six months or so.

Apply some Occam's Razor and observe the events closely. I'm not sure what there is to debate or thinkpiece about- it all seems pretty clear.

Ok, if this is still being talked about this afternoon, it has officially been blown way out of proportion.

Guys...what if there was a third presenter?

in a future think piece published this week, Beatty will likely become emblematic of the larger failure of Botox.

You mean the failure to inject it anywhere south of his eyebrows?

looks like pricewaterhouse cooper was just...dunaway with

So I guess we won't know if this whole thing surprised him at all...

xp

Bonnie & Clyde is a crap film anyway.

you're daft

you're punk

You can clearly see the second presenter's face start to crumble before the first presenter's announcement hits

"We lost, by the way, but, you know."

i mean w/e, sorta feels like everyone won, LLL got 6? awards, Lonergan got screenplay, Moonlight got 3 awards, and i won a hundred bucks 😜

and Mel Gibson did a line

there was a Gibson reaction to the OJ baloney joke, i heard

Some knee-slippery. About the only reactionOl' Glassy Eyes gave to anything all night.

'knee-slappery', f-in autocorrect

On the other hand Suicide Squad is now an oscar-winning film, so I kinda feel as if we all lost a bit as well.

Better Beatty cameo a few minutes into the Spirit Awards opener:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0w2TBJd1Wvo

^same link:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w2TBJd1Wvo

Fuck, how annoying are they?

i've had limited exposure, some friends love them

tho usually when playing septuagenarians

that link is broek now but i generally like kroll/mulaney

what was the Slant score, Eric?

I got 18, and have a 1/3 shot at free Netflix for a year (tiebreaker drawing).

16. Pretty dismal, but I think comparable to virtually all other outlets.

looking forward to a full year of quality Morbs culture bitching, fingers crossed

If the selection is as pisspoor as many have claimed, you will not get that from me via Netflix.

btw I guess Best Picture and Director splits are going to be normal, now?

It didn't even hit me until today that, yeah, 4 of the last 5 years have been split.

Seems like "spread the wealth" is ascendant. Except for those damn foreigners.

I lost the Netflix drawing btw.

woulda won outright with a Moonlight pick! Or Hacksaw Ridge in the OTHER sound category...

Did you pick Suicide Squad for makeup y/n?

no, i didn't see anyone who did. Or that Beasties movie for costumes.

I assume the recent trend of splitting best director and best picture came out of expanding the best picture category without expanding best director.

I'd forgotten in the last year that Inarrritu tied Joe L. Mank's record.

What was the record?

In 2016, Iñárritu won the Academy Award for Best Director for his work on The Revenant, marking the first time in 65 years that a director has won the award in two consecutive years. Iñárritu is the third director to accomplish this feat, following John Ford and Joseph L. Mankiewicz.

Mank had back-to-back double wins for director/screenplay tho.

Thanks.

For my awards

You can always put your awards where your trivia ought to be.

i have few problems with suicide squad's makeup and hairstyling. at least it's better than idris elba as max headroom.

i only got 7 winners right, but i only spent 5 minutes on them.

Bummer about Emma Stone winning is all I can say

https://68.media.tumblr.com/148672eb282dd0dc12245275f163318d/tumblr_oekhk3OWgA1soti42o2_540.gif

it's Twitter's fault

http://www.avclub.com/article/last-nights-oscars-mix-may-have-been-caused-tweet-251170

Feeling this http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/did-the-oscars-just-prove-that-we-are-living-in-a-computer-simulation?mbid=social_twitter

lol gopnik drunk

https://youtu.be/z49YubTNSm0

Was Scarlett totally baked when she was presenting?

I finally saw an extended clip of the finale, Kimmel did pretty well. "Warren, what did you do?" Also on his show tonight: "Faye Dunaway got the hell outta there."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGCneZGgR6M

ok wtf is the Steve Harvey ref, did he ruin the infinitely worse music awards show or sumthin

He announced the wrong miss universe or something.

Only vaguely remembered the Steve Harvey incident tbh.

they still had him host again this yr, and they/he leaned in to joking abt the error, almost definitely overdoing it

xxxxp i think there was a ton of weed going round this year's awards shows; Kimmell seemed v chilled early on. CF also that clip of The 1975 toking under a table at the BRITS.

vic burger of super deluxe does a lot of videos on steve harvey. harvey, trump, jim bakker, guy fieri, other freaks.

I had like a one-day PA gig on Harvey's talk show. He definitely seemed like kind of a freak based on my limited exposure.

That's the Family Feud dude, right? I've seen it at the barbershop and he doesn't even have fun with it, the way Richard Dawson did. (of course Dawson wd be prosecuted today for his FF antics)

Faye overheard:

http://www.avclub.com/article/faye-dunaway-her-oscars-snafu-i-really-fucked-251215

Finally, up til now "Oscar confusion" to me has always meant Will Rogers, 1934:

https://www.neatorama.com/2015/01/29/The-Oscars-That-Moment-When-You-Realize-You-Lost/

Hilton Als on Denzel:

http://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/the-blackwhite-oscars-moment-that-really-hit-me-last-night

btw

"I became an artist—and thank God I did—because we are the only profession that celebrates what it means to live a life." Viola Davis

this is one of the few lines of the show i heard live (lousy stream), and does anyone have any idea what it means?

It means she forgot about doctors.

at least two people made that joke during my oscars party

Really?! It took me two full days taking personal days from work and isolation in my room to come up with that one.

or as Max Bialystock said of actors, "Have you ever had lunch with one?"

lol eric

WE HAVE THE SMOKING GUN

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/oscar-best-picture-gaffe-brian-cullinan-envelope-1201999283/

our long national nightmare is... not this

btw

"I became an artist—and thank God I did—because we are the only profession that celebrates what it means to live a life." Viola Davis

this is one of the few lines of the show i heard live (lousy stream), and does anyone have any idea what it means?

― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, February 28, 2017 6:40 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yea otherwise i thought her speech was great but that line idk

Brian Cullinan will go down as the Steve Bartman of the Oscars, except he didn't really affect anything in the end

btw my reaction to Best Actor staredown:

asshole gives stinkeye to predator.

both good performances, and Adam Driver was robbed.

^ OTM. Driver was amazing in "Paterson".

yeah that Viola Davis line was just awful

yeah that line was complete bullshit

actor in having a hugely inflated view of the importance of their job shocker

i do an administrative job at a university and i celebrate what it is to live a life by shitposting on ilx

also posting giphys on slack channels

I celebrate life by making students cry.

^John Houseman as Professor Kingsfield

btw The Paper Chase was shot by Gordon Willis! time for a rewatch

The old dude who won the Oscar did Wesson corn oil commercials and was Rick Schroeder's grandpa on Silver Spoons.

you guys are cold, that viola davis line probably made some of the self-congratulating actors feel better later on when La La Land lost.

I had to laugh when Armond White wrote "Viola Davis, doing her snot-bubble thing"

That line didn't bother me so much as her telling the rats story every chance she gets a feature

Perhaps Viola meant that actors get the chance to celebrate the lives of people by inhabiting roles - seems like a kinder reading

That's how I took it. That bit was clunky, I admit, but on the whole her speech seemed quite heartfelt.

Her opening line was striking, I thought.

yeah really good otherwise and i def thought that one part may have just come out wrong

btw The Paper Chase was shot by Gordon Willis! time for a rewatch

― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, March 1, 2017 3:39 PM (thirty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ha! Just saw this for the first time last week. Liked it, but main takeaway was it was a film that only could have been made in the early 70s.

the 'joint' VF cover is ruffling a few feathers on Twitter.

What's that, pisces?

there was a spinoff Paper Chase TV series, u know, 2 seasons i think. Houseman reprising his role.

seems the idea of Moonlight being forever linked with LLL is leaving a funny taste. the post-Oscars Vanity Fair cover, unlike in previous years has a picture of the 2 directors from the 2 films instead of just the one who directed the winner.

more here https://twitter.com/ira/status/836824153449693184

Ah, I see. I wish that Moonlight was good enough that I could care about that.

I don't care deeply about Moonlight--I liked it--but I agree with the tweet that having to share the cover with La La Land is unwarranted.

as someone else noted the cover traditionally goes to the directing winner so technically it's LLL that's "sharing" in that case

That is not what happened. Variety traditionally puts the Best Director winner (in this case, Damien Chazelle) on the morning after cover. Due to the unique and historical circumstances around Moonlight's win (not the flub, just the importance of the movie winning Best Pic I think) they asked Chazelle and Jenkins to do a joint cover. Jenkins himself on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/BandryBarry/status/837045876602241026

@shaehag @Variety There just is absolutely no controversy here. Had La La Land won pic and me director I would have the cover.

People reacting to a very cool/historical and I think good choice to honor Jenkins as well as Chazelle by literally inventing fake news outrage.

I didn't love Moonlight but let's be clear: this is the first outright queer film to win an Academy Award for Best Picture. This is a big deal. And a black queer film! I don't expect BP winners to be as pretty good and sometimes excellent as Moonlight often is.

I didn't know the best director got the cover. In that case, I applaud them for extending that to include Barry Jenkins.

some people are just never happy are they.

Midnight Cowboy = subtly queer

and the gay British director won for that

I don't know how people can't care about Moonlight. You must look for different things in a film than I do

Midnight Cowboy = subtly queer

and the gay British director won for that

― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius),

Covert not overt. As a film crit colleague wrote today Moonlight is explicitly about a gay character coming of age. Voight is clearly the star of MC, and even though Ratso is clearly coded as gay, Joe Buck's place on the Kinsey scale is more ambiguous.

i know, it was just the first parallel that came to mind

everyone knows Jenkins is straight, right?

and people aren't wrong to point out that Chiron's victimhood puts him in line with many traditional Hwood depictions of gay people (though the ending is certainly not)

It's a film we'll argue about for the next 30 years if Florida doesn't join Atlantis, and there ain't many recent BP winners about which we can make that claim.

"we" being America or ILX?

I would've been more personally invested in the queer barrier if it had been broken by Fight Club.

ILX is its own sovereign nation

Why does Martha Ruiz have to lose her Oscar gig just because the fucking white dude couldn't be bothered to take care of his shit instead of tweeting a pic of Emma Stone?

btw somebody commented about Beatty and Dunaway's equally appalling face "work," and I must say whaaa? Warren may have had some, but his face is a plausible 79-year-old version of his younger one, whereas I couldn't guess who Faye was without identification.

So what?

so what about any of this motherfucking shit, jed?

just all part of the slog to the grave