Taking Sides: Sinister v. Bowlie

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Which is the real deal when it comes to Belle & Sebastian fandom?

is it:

SINISTER, the mailing list of endless rambling posts about nothing in particular

BOWLIE, with its discussion board related antics based around being 19 years old and argumentative

― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 24 October 2002 14:03 (twenty-three years ago)

?????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????

― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 24 October 2002 14:06 (twenty-three years ago)

I will say sinister, to make up for my past erroneous slur against it.

― Nicole (Nicole), Thursday, 24 October 2002 14:07 (twenty-three years ago)

Ahahaha, you're confusing the poor people DV. You just won't let it lie etc. etc.

We _are_ going to want to hear tales of debauchery beyond very wild dreams indeed after the Madchester thing, though. Or we'll continue dissing Bowlie as a bunch of humourless little sods.

― Liz :x (Liz :x), Thursday, 24 October 2002 14:09 (twenty-three years ago)

I don't like the Bowlie Board format - I'm too used to nice, neat, convenient places with red writing, like here. Also, the association with D*v*d K*t*h*n is offputting. But now and again it's worth reading (usually if somebody sends me a link to a good thread). Sinister's not as good as it used to be, but I still read them all.

― Madchen (Madchen), Thursday, 24 October 2002 14:18 (twenty-three years ago)

I love the endless whispering campaign against D*v*d K*t*h*n, it's part of what makes me a Bowlie loyalist.

a general point - it's interesting how Sinister overlaps with here much more than Bowlie.

the Bowlie kids are much harder than the Sinister ones. I think the Bowlie meetup in Manchester is going to be frighteningly debauched.

Can't wait. *licks lips salaciously*

― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 24 October 2002 14:24 (twenty-three years ago)

Sinister kids are better at pretending to be hard, though.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 24 October 2002 14:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Hard / debauched: DV are you sure?

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 24 October 2002 14:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Dirty Vicar, wtf?

First off, I don't think this is an appropriate post for ILE. This isn't, as previous ones may have been, an explanation of what Sinister is, which people may or may not care about but at least it doesn't exclude them; this is specifically for a ghetto of people (maybe a dozen of us?), all of whom, apart from you, are people to whom Sinister has meant a great deal. I'm just not sure what you're trying to prove?

I'm not sure such a discssion should take place at all, except maybe in the pub. Only a very few grown-up people who have ample experience of both sides will be able to really argue the toss without descending into bickering, insults and unresearched diatribe. In fact, you may be the only one, which makes it about as solipsitic as you can get.

I started a post for Sinister responding to your stirring comment on the list on this subject. With the disclaimer that Most people here will not be interested in what I'm about to say, I might have a go at explaining what I mean on this thread, even if I don't think it should have existed in the first place.

― Mark C (Mark C), Thursday, 24 October 2002 14:40 (twenty-three years ago)

Taking sides: pointless generalisations vs unhelpful comparisons ;)

― Archel (Archel), Thursday, 24 October 2002 14:42 (twenty-three years ago)

I dunno, the void thread is a bit of a ghtto too, innit?

― Madchen (Madchen), Thursday, 24 October 2002 14:44 (twenty-three years ago)

I have next to no idea what Mr C is on about, but can I just say 'mmmmmmm, unresearched diatribe' ?

― RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 24 October 2002 14:46 (twenty-three years ago)

okay, it's pompous crap, but that's how I write. Especially when I'm annoyed :)

― Mark C (Mark C), Thursday, 24 October 2002 14:47 (twenty-three years ago)

Limited interest threads = meat and drink for ilx

Grown up people = thin on the ground in the first place.

I say: FITE!

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 24 October 2002 14:53 (twenty-three years ago)

Madchen, I could complain about ghetto threads as a whole, and yes, they annoy me sometimes, but this one I'm actually able to attack from a position od some knowledge :)

DV, any response yourself?

― Mark C (Mark C), Thursday, 24 October 2002 14:54 (twenty-three years ago)

Isn't the Dirty Vicar just having a bit of a laff? Or am I missing something?

I prefer Sinister.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Thursday, 24 October 2002 14:54 (twenty-three years ago)

B-b-but Sinister had Rodddddd Begbie!! cor blimey!

Tell us some funny Bowlie injokes! Have you got anything about headscarfs/arse muscle nappies etc?

― Sarah (starry), Thursday, 24 October 2002 14:56 (twenty-three years ago)

yes! tell us about the "characters" on bowlie! tell us about the hundreds of people who've found romance! tell us of how it all started! and is it true that in bowlie chat you pass around imaginary spliffs?

― Mark C (Mark C), Thursday, 24 October 2002 15:05 (twenty-three years ago)

Mark C is mad as hell!

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 24 October 2002 15:09 (twenty-three years ago)

This thread scares me.

― Graham (graham), Thursday, 24 October 2002 15:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Has there been a ghastly schism? It'll happen to us one day.

― Tom (Groke), Thursday, 24 October 2002 15:12 (twenty-three years ago)

"B-b-but Sinister had Rodddddd Begbie!!"

I fear that anyone checking Sarah's link and finding themselves looking at Roddd's improv comedy troop may just decide DV's won the argument. It's hard to explain how meeting gentle Rodddd at Heathrow Airport could have been such a beautiful thing.

― Tag, Thursday, 24 October 2002 15:15 (twenty-three years ago)

errrr, I'm a bit stung by the suggestion that this thread isn't appropriate for ILX, so I'm going to let others do the talking.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 24 October 2002 15:18 (twenty-three years ago)

hey deev, don't be stung

― Tim (Tim), Thursday, 24 October 2002 15:19 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey Tag, I pronounce yr email address as Tag-wah. Or would you prefer Tag-oii-ees?

Looking through the archives I saw a story by Chyrs Lynyrd. It ended with the lines "And then I wasn't a fox. I was Rod Begbie". And I laughed so loud I nearly bought a Roolz record!

― Sarah (starry), Thursday, 24 October 2002 15:25 (twenty-three years ago)

We've started now, DV, we may as well continue :). And please forgive the tone of my last post, though I really would appreciate your response.

― Mark C (Mark C), Thursday, 24 October 2002 15:27 (twenty-three years ago)

This is all delightfully confusing, pray, do continue.

― RickyT (RickyT), Thursday, 24 October 2002 15:32 (twenty-three years ago)

BEST THREAD EVAH!

― gareth (gareth), Thursday, 24 October 2002 15:33 (twenty-three years ago)

to make up for my past erroneous slur against it

? But maybe it was a good erroneous slur! *sticks pins in Stuart Murdoch voodoo doll*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 24 October 2002 15:34 (twenty-three years ago)

i like slayer

― jel -- (jel), Thursday, 24 October 2002 16:08 (twenty-three years ago)

So does Stuart Murdoch.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 24 October 2002 16:11 (twenty-three years ago)

If fandom is about swapping gig pictures, file-sharing & what popstars' favourite colours are: Bowlie.

I agree that the Bowlie board can be a bit humourless sometimes (cf. the "performance ethic" stuff on the Stuart fucking up lyrics whilst playing piano thread or whatever it is called.)

That said, Sinister isn't always a fun place either, although its where I feel more at home (& its the reason I know 9 of the people above).

― Mooro (Mooro), Thursday, 24 October 2002 16:21 (twenty-three years ago)

My thoughts:

i) Mark C, what are you like? what gives you the impression I don't like Sinister? I sub to it, and post to it now and then, and have been to Sinister meetups and met lovely Sinister people.

Grrrr, you are bad.

ii) as regards Bowlie & Sinister, well they're both G*R*A*T*E. The discussion board format means Bowlie is more chat oriented. I wonder if that's why less people from there have found there way here? I mean, how much chatting can you do.

I think the median age of subbers is younger on Bowlie, which is why I reckon the Bowlie get together will be a bit scarey, particularly given that everyone is staying in the same hotel.

I was going to say that there are more mentalists/obsessives on Sinister, but then I remembered the mad Bowlie dispute over whether it was a good or bad thing that B&S were rumoured to be doing a song with Angelina Jolie.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 24 October 2002 17:36 (twenty-three years ago)

Sometimes I wish Sinister had the same sort of layout as the Bowlie forum--mostly because I am too idiotic to fill up an entire e-mail post.

― Mandee, Thursday, 24 October 2002 17:38 (twenty-three years ago)

dispute over whether it was a good or bad thing that B&S were rumoured to be doing a song with Angelina Jolie.

In what parallel universe could be seen to be a bad thing?

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 24 October 2002 17:40 (twenty-three years ago)

some mad Americans thought it would be a sellout.

does anyone remember the Sinister post where Priscilla was on a plane that Angelina Jolie was on, and she got to sneak up to Ms Jolie's seat and snff her headrest?

― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 24 October 2002 17:42 (twenty-three years ago)

"I pronounce yr email address as Tag-wah. Or would you prefer Tag-oii-ees?"

Sarah, I'm going to Belgium tomorrow so it's definitely Tag-wah. You can even call me the Mighty Tag Wah, if you prefer.

Is Bowlie the list where Neil Robertson wrote to D*v*d K*tch*n and told him that the band crossed the road whenever they saw him? Or so I've been told. I prefer Sinister, even though I haven't been a part of it for three years or so. It drove me mad sometimes but it's reason I count several of the people above as good friends, not to mention playing a significant role in meeting the woman I love.

Blimey, another earthquake!

― Tag, Thursday, 24 October 2002 17:44 (twenty-three years ago)

You've got me reminiscing now. I like this post I once sent.

I vote Sinister for the same reasons as Tag. This 'Bowlie' thing sounds rubbish.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 24 October 2002 17:58 (twenty-three years ago)

You've got me reminiscing now. I like this post I once sent.

I vote Sinister for the same reasons as Tag. This 'Bowlie' thing sounds rubbish.

― N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 24 October 2002 17:58 (twenty-three years ago)

I'm filling up. I love you guys.

― Tag, Thursday, 24 October 2002 18:12 (twenty-three years ago)

Who doesn't love Stuart Murdoch though? His battling against the odds
and attempts to move to Milton Keynes have given heart to us all.

http://www.wimbledon-fc.co.uk/content/wifc/media/db/S25/80820.JPEG

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 24 October 2002 18:31 (twenty-three years ago)

Passantino, NO!

Sing:

"Charles, Cha-arles Koppel
(ooh, AH!)
I wanna kno-o-o-ow
Why you're such a CUNT"

― Mark C (Mark C), Thursday, 24 October 2002 20:12 (twenty-three years ago)

DV, I know I'm a humourless literalist with a chip on my shoulder, but this is really the main piece of evidence, taken from your post to Sinister:

"Over in the world of the Bowlie Forum, there is a monster get together planned for Manchester in a few weeks. I think nearly everyone from These Islands is going. We're all going to stay in the same hotel and have key parties and riots and stuff. It will be cool, much cooler than anything this list has done in my time on it."

I know this is just your opinion (or rather prediction), and fair enough, but as a listee whose experience of Sinister dos is limited at best, what on earth inspired you to write it? To Sinister?

There are lots of bizarre people on Sinister, but by and large, we don't take ourselves too seriously (me being the exception to the rule, obv). Every experience I've had of Bowlie says that it's a bunch of well-meaning people with a passion for one band in particular and a seriously limited imagination. Oh no, two exceptions. 1: Nal and 2: you.

It's a shame that when I advertised Tigermilking on the Bowlie Boards, not one person actually came along as a result. WTF? Or rather, what a pity that people who almost certainly have a huge amount in common can't cross boundaries cos of a schism, as Tom rightly said.

It seems to me that any argument of this type will only deepen the mutual disdain between the two groups. as an active contributor to both, is there anything you could do to cause the opposite?

Okay, I'm sorry, and I'm sure most of you aren't reading this any more.

― Mark C (Mark C), Thursday, 24 October 2002 20:23 (twenty-three years ago)

Nick, how very, linking to your own post. You're right, it's a good 'un.

Maybe ILE will become a bit more sympathetic to Sinister as a whole if we serialise a number of its best posts. Complete works of Chris Leonard, anyone?

p.s. hello Tag! How are things?

― Mark C (Mark C), Thursday, 24 October 2002 20:25 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd never heard of this Bowlie thing. But it does look rubbish. You say they're hard? I almost won a fight with a blind squirrel once.

― Ally C (Ally C), Thursday, 24 October 2002 22:06 (twenty-three years ago)

I'd never heard of this Bowlie thing. until the D*v*d K*tch*n is "a streak of piss" thing that tag referred to. I think it looks rubbish too. I'm sure I could beat anyone on that forum up. easily. esp. if I had allyC as my second.

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 25 October 2002 05:17 (twenty-three years ago)

As a (very) occasional contributor to the Bowlie board can I say that I don't really want to fight Cookie or Mr Gillanders?

Actually, come to think of it, a bit of mud-wrestling might be OK.

Bollocks to all this anyway. What we really want to know is, who paid £3,600 for Stuart Murdoch's old Granada?

(And were they on Bowlie or Sinister, tee hee?)

― Mooro (Mooro), Friday, 25 October 2002 07:13 (twenty-three years ago)

one further thing: I've managed to recruit TWO people from Bowlie to Frank's APA, as opposed to ONE from Sinister.

Thus Marxist Science proves that Bowlie is best.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 25 October 2002 08:02 (twenty-three years ago)

Classic Leonard

― Madchen (Madchen), Friday, 25 October 2002 08:22 (twenty-three years ago)

Yeah but ILX has 5 current and 2 ex Franks' people posting to it (maybe even more!) so we have surely broken the Marxometer.

― Tom (Groke), Friday, 25 October 2002 08:25 (twenty-three years ago)

My favourite memories of Chris Lynyrd are of him emerging from the pub toilets before a B&S gig in Nottingham and informing us that someone had walked in, stood next to him, farted loudly and declared "Ah, it's a sad arse that can't rejoice".

That and Chris and Keef discovering Sting's magic tantric wanking theramin at Bowlie.

― Tag, Friday, 25 October 2002 08:32 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom - all your foolish comments prove is that ILXOR is better than both Bowlie & Sinister combined. stating self evident truths will get you nowhere.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 25 October 2002 08:38 (twenty-three years ago)

Tom - all your foolish comments prove is that ILXOR is better than both Bowlie & Sinister combined. stating self evident truths will get you nowhere.

by the way, I think that posting links to your own Sinister posts is the new namedropping.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 25 October 2002 08:38 (twenty-three years ago)

I was unable to get a look at DV's controversial post last night, cos the sodding archives weren't working! All I can remember about the Bowlie Board is that people have little photographic representations of themselves and the :-) are animated (Graham! Can we have this here, please?). I've only seen it during the ill-fated 'swearing' incident, where at first everyone was up DK's arse and then they were all up NR's arse. Bleeeargh!

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 25 October 2002 08:40 (twenty-three years ago)

that swearing incident was the only thing I ever really read I think, unless the Bowlie board was born from the loins of the Jeepster board which was pretty much arse.

Mind you I'm unsubbed from Sinister too now, but I do still go back and read the odd post from people I know and like.

― chris (chris), Friday, 25 October 2002 08:49 (twenty-three years ago)

Yes, it was, Chris.

I probably won't post on this thread again until I've come back from the US, where, for the 2nd time this year, I'm flying in order to see some Sinister friends and maybe kiss a Sinister girl. Better than Manchester? Could be...

― Mark C (Mark C), Friday, 25 October 2002 09:06 (twenty-three years ago)

Crieky, calm down Mark.

I hope you have a grebt time in the States.

Tell us about Frank's APA, DV.

― Tim (Tim), Friday, 25 October 2002 09:11 (twenty-three years ago)

yes, what is this Frank's APA you speak of.

― chris (chris), Friday, 25 October 2002 09:15 (twenty-three years ago)

I think it's the Frank Sidebottom Board.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 25 October 2002 09:17 (twenty-three years ago)

wow

― chris (chris), Friday, 25 October 2002 09:21 (twenty-three years ago)

I think it's the Frank Bottom Sideboard.

― Mooro (Mooro), Friday, 25 October 2002 09:43 (twenty-three years ago)

no, really actually best thread evah, mark you are an old fart ;)

franks is weird, it's all about the paper...

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Friday, 25 October 2002 10:32 (twenty-three years ago)

I think it's the Frank Bottom Sideburn.

― joan vich (joan vich), Friday, 25 October 2002 10:33 (twenty-three years ago)

What paper's that then?

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 25 October 2002 11:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey DV, did you see I left some money for you for Franks membership? I will make the next deadline! Go mE!

― S-rar, Friday, 25 October 2002 11:59 (twenty-three years ago)

Hey starry or someone who knows, please explain what Frank's APA is (aside from a pun pauvre as they don't say in France.

― Tim (Tim), Friday, 25 October 2002 12:01 (twenty-three years ago)

i bet people on the bowlie board can't play football for shit.

― k chu, Friday, 25 October 2002 12:24 (twenty-three years ago)

I have a feeling this frank's thing is a DVZINE=why he is being coy. +I seem to remember someone [him, most likely] mentioning it.

― RJG (RJG), Friday, 25 October 2002 12:33 (twenty-three years ago)

APA = amateur press association

― RickyT (RickyT), Friday, 25 October 2002 12:40 (twenty-three years ago)

OK Ricky how does an APA work? Crieky it's harder to get you lot to talk about this than to admit you all play blinking Dungeons and Dragons.

― Tim (Tim), Friday, 25 October 2002 12:43 (twenty-three years ago)

I've never actually contributed to one, so I don't know the details, but the basic idea is a zine whose contributors = readers. Kind of like an article based mailing list with regular digests sent out to all members, only via photcopied paper, staplers and postal services instead of the fancy modern interweb.

― RickyT (RickyT), Friday, 25 October 2002 13:11 (twenty-three years ago)

mind you, what the hell is Bowlie Board? i knew i am out of date, but this one has really stricken me

― arantxa, Friday, 25 October 2002 13:16 (twenty-three years ago)

RickyT is OTM as usual. everyone submits some bits of actual real paper (ok, so they e-mail things, but whatever) which are then really actually photocopied and stapled together and sent out in the real actual post to everyone who has contributed. which reminds me that i MUST REALLY ACTUALLY send dv some money for the last one :)

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Friday, 25 October 2002 13:22 (twenty-three years ago)

also franks is a music one, whereas i understand a lot of the others are about comix.

do you realise it took me MONTHS to get the pun...

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Friday, 25 October 2002 13:26 (twenty-three years ago)

(I only just got it :()

― RickyT (RickyT), Friday, 25 October 2002 13:27 (twenty-three years ago)

I still haven't got the pun.

So it's like Papercuts, then?

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 25 October 2002 13:30 (twenty-three years ago)

Careful - don't forget Papercuts was heavily Sinister-leaning...

― Mark C (Mark C), Friday, 25 October 2002 13:39 (twenty-three years ago)

Have never been to Bowlie board but I like the cosmic forces at work with Sinister. I couldn't remember the name of that Nancy Sinatra & Lee Hazlewood song where she cries at the end and a search for

Keith; Gnocchi

in the archives revealed all!

― Genevieve, Friday, 25 October 2002 13:48 (twenty-three years ago)

Frank's APA = Frank Zappa?

Genevieve - I still love you, even if I never write. I should be posting a package to you this weekend.

― Mooro (Mooro), Friday, 25 October 2002 14:03 (twenty-three years ago)

it's not like papercuts in that THERE ACTUALLY IS ONE EVERY TWO MONTHS and DV (to my knowledge) doesn't walk round trying to sell copies at gigs/use it as an excuse to chat up young ladies...

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Friday, 25 October 2002 14:14 (twenty-three years ago)

But that's what fanzines are for. I'd rather have a non-existant fanzine and use it for chatting up ladies than... erm... I'm stuck now.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 25 October 2002 14:21 (twenty-three years ago)

What are you incinerating, Carslime?

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 25 October 2002 14:25 (twenty-three years ago)

I just pebble-dashed my screen with bits of half-chewed chocolate cookie whilst reading Lu, er, Madchen's Classic Leonard link. It's a shame all the Mrs Murdoch ones had to be removed from the archive.

― Mooro (Mooro), Friday, 25 October 2002 14:31 (twenty-three years ago)

teehee, i thought DV would be more upset at the insinuations in his direction...

― CarslimeSteve (CarsmileSteve), Friday, 25 October 2002 14:32 (twenty-three years ago)

oh, as you are all here...

best thai elephant news ever...

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Friday, 25 October 2002 14:51 (twenty-three years ago)

More thai elephant news.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 25 October 2002 15:05 (twenty-three years ago)

That sounds very nice, David. I miss you!

― Genevieve, Friday, 25 October 2002 17:42 (twenty-three years ago)

Bowlie vs. Sinister is just like when the Amazon Women in Amazon Women from the Avocado Jungle can't agree on Guacamole or Clam Dip and from then on are life-long enemies.

― Mandee, Friday, 25 October 2002 19:27 (twenty-three years ago)

What's this thai elephant bizness about?

― Mandee, Friday, 25 October 2002 19:29 (twenty-three years ago)

Guacamole everytime!

― k chu, Friday, 25 October 2002 20:16 (twenty-three years ago)

Clam dip sounds pervy enough for Sinister.

Mandee: search the archives for Oon; Thai News

― Mooro (Mooro), Friday, 25 October 2002 23:29 (twenty-three years ago)

I’ve been busy.

Frank’s APA is a papernet collective zine thing where the subscribers are the contributors. People send zines to the central mailer (currently me) which I photocopy up and collate and then post out every two months. It is for people who like music, but you don’t have to talk about music.

It’s a bag of fun, basically. If any of you would like to be sent a sample issue (for free - the first one always costs nothing), just send me an e-mail.

As to Sinister and Bowlie, Bowlie suffers from not having the Pinefox on it. But you could argue that it’s the more indie of the two - it has less people on it than the more mainstream Sinister, and is the distinctly b-list wing of the B&S hobby.

One G*R*A*T*E thing about Bowlie is you sometimes see the same software used for other messageboards. My particular favourite was one devoted to the late Lebanese President, Bashir Gemayel.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Saturday, 26 October 2002 08:40 (twenty-three years ago)

this is surely the best ever article about Thai elephants: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/2190196.stm

― DV (dirtyvicar), Saturday, 26 October 2002 08:43 (twenty-three years ago)

oh, I just got the pun by mistake.

― RJG (RJG), Saturday, 26 October 2002 12:52 (twenty-three years ago)

I am typing in a new answer in a pathetic attempt to get this back into New Answers, in the vain hope that some ILXOR person will think "Oooh, Frank's APA, sample copy, I like the sound of that".

Also, I think that one of Siniste/Bowlie is overrun with Protestants, while the other has loads of Catholics.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 28 October 2002 22:58 (twenty-three years ago)

which is which?

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 28 October 2002 23:07 (twenty-three years ago)

can't you SMELL them?

― DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 09:59 (twenty-three years ago)

belle & sebastian-related internet collective association Vs. atheism

― RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 10:41 (twenty-three years ago)

Spit Moore Cookie!

― Madchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 10:50 (twenty-three years ago)

I had to leave Sinister because I felt oppressed by the religiosity.

― N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 10:52 (twenty-three years ago)

why don't you start a thread called "Frank's APA! who wants a sample copy? it's really grebt and everything!!!"

or something...

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 10:52 (twenty-three years ago)

http://www.comicimages.com/rawdeal/APA.jpg

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 11:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Thanks again, Madchen. I wasn't eating at the time so I just sort of sprayed a bit of spit on the screen.

As ever, I was wrong about the Mrs Murdoch posts not being in the archive

― Mooro (Mooro), Tuesday, 29 October 2002 22:37 (twenty-three years ago)

Like ILX, Bowlie too suffers from COCKFARMERS who register under several names and then have attention-seeking arguments with themselves.

one time a stereotypically fey girly B&S fan registered, was then buried in lewd advances, triggering numerous protective responses and then much annoyance when it was revealed that the new subber was actually a persona of some existing male undergraduate subscribers. My sides, etc.

actually, something similar happened on Sinister as well once, now that I think of it.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Thursday, 7 November 2002 15:53 (twenty-three years ago)

three weeks pass...

how was your trip to manchester to have fun with those people from bowlie-board, DV?

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 1 December 2002 17:46 (twenty-three years ago)

we had the most terrible, terrible fun.

The Bowlie people are all very nice. We went to a club called Smile which was A*L*R*I*G*H*T rather than G*R*A*T*E, but we did get to have a downstairs room to ourselves with our own DJs, which was F*A*B. the Bowlie kids weren't quite as debauched as I expected, but a load of them did get barred from the hotel for attempting five in a bed action.

Manchester is a very nice city.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 1 December 2002 18:11 (twenty-three years ago)

Was it boy love five-in-a-bed action?

― N. (nickdastoor), Sunday, 1 December 2002 18:13 (twenty-three years ago)

sinister still wins since they have five-a-side action which is twice as much.

― RJG (RJG), Sunday, 1 December 2002 19:04 (twenty-three years ago)

eight months pass...

actually, the real issue is Bowlie v. Ilxor, given that they are both interweb discussion forums that have drifted well away from their initial focus.

Bowlie still wins (he said, having just come back from a Bowlie meetup in Amsterdam).

― DV (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 3 August 2003 22:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Tom and D*v*d K*tch*n should wrassle to solve this intractable conundrum.

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Sunday, 3 August 2003 22:14 (twenty-two years ago)

it would be more like Graham and DAVID KITCHEN wrestling.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Sunday, 3 August 2003 22:27 (twenty-two years ago)

bowlie means less now than ever before.

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 4 August 2003 00:37 (twenty-two years ago)

not least because its called bowlie, shurely? If your interweb mentalist twee hobby is named after a festival that happened a long time ago, rather than an album and a song which ppl can still put on their stereos and sing along to and mebbe even hear played live occasionally, then it's going to mean less, isn't it?

Or does nomenclature count for nothing these days?

― MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 4 August 2003 07:04 (twenty-two years ago)

You can still have the haircut. (Yes, I do mean you & not one.)

― Mooro (Mooro), Monday, 4 August 2003 08:50 (twenty-two years ago)

so *this* is why the franks deadline was pushed back a week, eh?

and now i'm spending all this week in the pub, grrr...

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Monday, 4 August 2003 08:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm patenting the phrase 'Legoland sheen' for the new album before I've even heard it. And I sure as hell won't be using it on Bowlie.

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 4 August 2003 09:03 (twenty-two years ago)

i used to and took a beating for it at school, Mooro.

― MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 4 August 2003 09:05 (twenty-two years ago)

But Mr Miller, will you use the phrase on Sinister?

I attended a not very well organised Sinister meet-up this weekend, seeing Tag at The Clientele gig Friday & Mr Christopher & Mrs Julia Leonard at the Camera Obscura show on Saturday.

― Mooro (Mooro), Monday, 4 August 2003 09:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I might, Dave, I might. Are they married now?

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 4 August 2003 09:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Chris Leonard and I are not married.

― Tag (Tag), Monday, 4 August 2003 09:37 (twenty-two years ago)

The other possible combination *is* though.

― Mooro (Mooro), Monday, 4 August 2003 11:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Julia married Camera Obscura?

― Tim (Tim), Monday, 4 August 2003 11:12 (twenty-two years ago)

No, I married Peter Miller.

― Tag (Tag), Monday, 4 August 2003 11:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Everyone's a winner!

― Tim (Tim), Monday, 4 August 2003 11:23 (twenty-two years ago)

.. Baby, that's no lie

― Mooro (Mooro), Monday, 4 August 2003 12:42 (twenty-two years ago)

so *this* is why the franks deadline was pushed back a week, eh?

arrrr, ee's got me banged to rights.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 4 August 2003 13:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Most romantic thread ever!

― PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 4 August 2003 14:02 (twenty-two years ago)

This thread is a success story!

― Mandee, Thursday, 7 August 2003 18:23 (twenty-two years ago)

You people are funny people.

Sinister people scare me, except for DV, because like Mr. Kitchen he is a Gentleman and scholar.

Sinister people are fun though because sometimes I steal their wine. I do the same from Bowlie people, but when I steal from Bowlies, you get the whole "look of love" effect, whereas I save my devious eyes for Sinister.

Bowlie as a word though is not taken from the festival name, but more as an antidote to hipsterism.

Indeed.

― Gordon Hodgson (bluejacket), Friday, 8 August 2003 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)

whose wine did you steal? and how?

― DV (dirtyvicar), Friday, 8 August 2003 14:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Great, now it's gone to shit.

― Mandee, Friday, 8 August 2003 14:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Did you just compare The DV to the DK? I'm looking forward to the reaction...

― Mark C (Mark C), Friday, 8 August 2003 14:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Did you just compare The DV to the DK? I'm looking forward to the reaction...

I met David Kitchen once and he seemed like a nice enough bloke. Eh... is that the reaction you were looking forward to?

― DV (dirtyvicar), Monday, 11 August 2003 10:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Please stop being wankers

― DirtyColin, Monday, 11 August 2003 10:48 (twenty-two years ago)

__________________________

― RJG (RJG), Monday, 11 August 2003 10:50 (twenty-two years ago)

So have I, and so he is. I stole some wine when it was left on a table at "How Does It Feel" I'm sorry, that's just what I do. And it won't be the last time, either. Guard your bottles on friday.

― bluejacket (bluejacket), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 13:48 (twenty-two years ago)

bludy styoodents...

― CarsmileSteve (CarsmileSteve), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 14:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Bluejacket, you are giving the Bowlie forum a bad name.

― DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 12 August 2003 15:09 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...

This is the only major thread I can find about sinister.

I thought it would be worth saying the following.

Sinister possibly has ups and downs.

Perhaps surprisingly, it is possibly now having an up.

All these crazy old diamonds and crusted rockers are turning up on it.

You should have a look!

― the pinefox, Thursday, 2 October 2003 15:21 (twenty-two years ago)

The PF is right - it's fucking great right now. Wow!

― Mark C (Mark C), Thursday, 2 October 2003 15:30 (twenty-two years ago)

four years pass...

http://www.unctv.org/pressroom/jfk/images/AMEX3yearoldJFKjrSalutes.jpg

― The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Monday, 14 July 2008 12:45 (seventeen years ago)

aw. Priscilla.

― ken c, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:00 (seventeen years ago)

is ilx ready for the sheer volume of bowlie refugees once it closes down next month?

― homosexual II, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:18 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.duncans.tv/images/villawood-detention-centre.jpg

― The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:20 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.cbc.ca/news/reportsfromabroad/murray/gfx/berlin-wall-392-350.jpg

― DG, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:28 (seventeen years ago)

Time to get that perimeter fence up.

― Matt DC, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:31 (seventeen years ago)

Unless this results in an influx of cute British indie girls who still wear hairslides in their hair, in which case I'm all for it.

― Matt DC, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:32 (seventeen years ago)

I don't even know enough about Bowlie to respond to that. And here I thought it was a festival.

― Laurel, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:36 (seventeen years ago)

even if i didn't know about bowlie i would say yes to indie girls with hairslides

― ken c, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:42 (seventeen years ago)

hey guys it's not 1996 anymore

― DG, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:45 (seventeen years ago)

Someone should tell Bowlie

― The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:48 (seventeen years ago)

http://www.mercuryloungenyc.com/u/i/4/2110bfc5.jpg

― Free Peace Sweet!, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:50 (seventeen years ago)

truth bomb

― DG, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:50 (seventeen years ago)

what the hell is a hairslide??

i dont know if bowlie will be able to handle the lol britisher backlash.

― homosexual II, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:51 (seventeen years ago)

Hair slide:

http://www.kreepsville666.com/store/images/hair_accessories/krehairstargreen.jpg

― The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:52 (seventeen years ago)

my bowlie profile:

Date of Birth:
April 25, 1980
Age:
28
Biography:
taurus, single, open to new thigns
Location:
denver
Interests:
whales, fishies, movies twith bette midler, decroating gingger hoises
Occupation:
ticket tearer at the mall cinema
Music Of The Moment:
bozz scaggs, melisa ethridge
Books Of The Moment:
th new robert jordin book - he's a genis!!!
Films Of The Moment:
overboard - thats one of my faverites - 'born in east LA" - another faverite

http://www.bowlie.com/forum/customprofilepics/profilepic227_4.gif

― homosexual II, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:52 (seventeen years ago)

Current Bowlie frontpage thread:

Be Random About Cats (2,345 posts, 47,559 views)

― The stickman from the hilarious "xkcd" comics, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:57 (seventeen years ago)

Is this one of those things that will be hilarious for 10 minutes and then spawn another sekrit bored where no Bowlies can go?

― Laurel, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:58 (seventeen years ago)

No more cats, take the cats away.

― Laurel, Monday, 14 July 2008 13:58 (seventeen years ago)

it was way more interesting when you can give people secret admirations. same with sinister crush votes.

― ken c, Monday, 14 July 2008 14:14 (seventeen years ago)

a bit like excelsior too, i guess. except it's secret so you don't find out all the retarded unfunny shit other people get their excelsiors for.

― ken c, Monday, 14 July 2008 14:15 (seventeen years ago)

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