Wow. Whoa. That is some group of people. Thousands. - US Election Day 2016

Wow!

glusa

there it is

I didn't get a sticker, but I voted. Not against Trump, but FOR Clinton. I think she'll be a very good President. (And no, I don't think Sanders would have been a good President, not at all. He'd have made Merkin Muffley look like Greg Stillson.) On the ground report: I've been going to the same polling place since 1996, and I've never had to wait more than 10 minutes to vote. I got there at 6:45 today, and was 20th in line. When I left the booth, it was 7:30, and there were at least 20 people behind me, and more coming in the doors. Way more women than men. I expect big numbers nationwide.

Good luck USA.

Voted, DONE.

Wait was about 30 minutes long, a lot more people at opening than back during the primaries.

Very quiet, respectful, orderly, though the poll workers were a bit confused about their internal process.

Shout out to the shivering poll monitor guy outside in a lawn chair who asked "everything go okay in there?" when I left.

Good luck USA.

I'm gonna estimate that there were maybe 30-50 people during the time that I was waiting and then voting.

Thank you, Creames Fartpoop, for starting this historic thread.

^

Creames Fartpoop is Markers, right?

Voted last Tuesday, in a very red parish of a very red state.

Please save us white males from ourselves, America.

can someone provide a local anecdote that confirms trump won't win?

I am old enough just about to remember the time an ILX poster actually said 'Good luck USA' and was lambasted for it.

good luck usa: the week 10 lou1s j4gg3r tribute thread

Funnily enough ilxor Norman Phay said it elsewhere online today but I'm not sure whether it was ironic; probably not in fact.

My polling place in a small town (< 2,000 people) was packed at 7am and I had to wait 15 minutes or so.

Good morning!

is Reagan dead yet?

I'm not sure its been mentioned, but Google Trends Electionland is doing a great public service offering a real-time map of searches on long wait times, provisional ballots, and voter intimidation.

latest podcast is 50 minutes of punk rock songs about Reagan to soundtrack the day
http://www.quartzcity.net/2016/11/08/episode-015-punk-rock-reagan/

"I got there at 6:45 today, and was 20th in line. When I left the booth, it was 7:30"

jesus christ how did u guys ever conquer the world

I won't pretend that this is in any way decisive (given that I live in a very blue city in a blue state) but I voted last night and waited in line for over an hour to do so. I've previously voted exclusively on election day and never had to wait more than a few minutes. Huge minority representation. Based on my scientific calculations, Trump is toast.

jesus christ how did u guys ever conquer the world

― the kids are alt right (darraghmac), dinsdag 8 november 2016 14:22 (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

I keep being amazed about these lines, too. Never once in my live have had to wait longer than a couple of mins to vote.

Presenting retired Minneapolis anchorman Don Shelby, hero:

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/994753_10153852398841949_3041839538907337190_n.jpg?oh=8c34867c2043925ab71cda1fcb10b468&oe=58D4034D

I remember it too pinefox - my comment was an homage to Louis's post.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwvjIXJXcAA4P6c.jpg

Glad this election finally solved the Maddie case tbh

xpost addendum to my post

There were like a couple hundred people in line, if I had to estimate, btw. Line snaking up and down every hall of this huge building. Real positive vibe, no openly aggrieved faces.

In my megablue polling place there were 100 or so people ahead of me at 6:30 this morning. Took me about half an hour. Many people brought kids, esp. daughters, which is always nice to see.

I didn't get a sticker, but I voted. Not against Trump, but FOR Clinton. I think she'll be a very good President.

ditto. after watching the Frontline doc and reading up on her record I have a hard time thinking of anyone living who is MORE qualified for the job right now

of course if "fuck Donald Trump forever" was on the ballot, I'd vote that too.

Despite my continued reservations about Clinton, I have to admit that it felt good to realize last night that I had the opportunity to vote for the first black president and the first female president. And then when Michelle's ready, I'll get to vote for the first black female president.

Trump says Brady voted for him; wife Gisele says they won't vote for Trump

And then when Michelle's Paris Strother's ready, I'll get to vote for the first black female president.

Sucks this story came down so late but I really hope the NFL ppl grill Belichick about whether he really wrote that letter.

I'm glad to have voted for Hillary for several reasons, but thinking about it this morning realized that my enthusiasm - the sense of moment/excitement - surrounding casting these ballots has diminished over time. Meaning: what did I feel while in the voting line/booth?

Kerry 2004 - intense, frightened, felt like my ballot was a weapon
Obama 2008 - WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Sanders, April 2016 - "Even if he doesn't become the nominee, this means something, and even symbolically may be the most important vote I cast"
Clinton, today - "I feel like I'm withdrawing money from an ATM"

Some of this may be age, general exhaustion, jadedness, and how wearying this campaign season has been.

Make no mistake - I want Clinton to win, and I want all of us to keep her on the left-leaning straight and narrow (as much as is possible). But today feels like Christmas usually does: so much build up, and it felt kinda empty.

In my head, 'Creames' is pronounced 'kray-AH-mus' can anyone confirm or correct?

Despite my continued reservations about Clinton, I have to admit that it felt good to realize last night that I had the opportunity to vote for the first black president and the first female president.

My 8-year-old son was chanting "Hillary! Hillary!" in the back seat on the way to school this morning. It's something to think that the only presidents he will know from the ages of birth to 16 may be Obama and Hillary.

Voted by mail weeks ago. I don't understand why everyone doesn't do it. Unless you just like the tradition of voting on Election Day.

dowd: yes - what year was it? 2004?

serious question, when does Trump get his Twitter account back?

Security guy at my polling place, a public elementary school in south Williamsburg Brooklyn: "I ain't seen this many people since they were giving away cheese!"

yeah so far turnout looks to be absolutely massive so....GG Republicans??

good luck usa

"I ain't seen this many people since they were giving away cheese!"

haha

I've never seen my polling place so busy before! Lines weren't out the door or anything but the school gym was full of ppl lined up to sign the book and get their ballots. Luckily my name + district fell into a less busy line so I was done fast but ppl were waiting 30-45 mins afaict. I shudder to think what it will look like at 7-8pm.

good luck usa

Good luck, Planet Earth.

pronounced 'oosa'

i want to post an encouraging solidarity gif of gremlins trashing clamp tower but it's after midnight

glpe

godspeed Lou, pink emperor.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/bbF1IwgFLEA/maxresdefault.jpg

In Sydney Hillary's already the new president!

Lmao

Back around 9/11-mania, there was some privileged San Fran fancy pants writer pushing back against all the abject and ugly hyper-patriotism - I think this was in Salon or Slate? Anyway, she complained that people had gone so far as to spray paint "USA" on the sidewalk. The gall, right? Except the "USA" stood for "underground service alert," and it was there to warn people excavating of buried electric/gas lines and other important cables.

lol

no line at my district voting site, high school students outside taking exit polls for class. fare thee well, ILX. it's been real :)

Got to chime in quickly now that its all coming to an end, I've been reading the last 5 or 6 election threads since stumbling across this site and its really been a pleasure. Nice work you guys.

Xp to the pinefox

I have no idea when it was. I tend to think Louis was fairly late? But I used to post under my own name, back before the noise board and so on.

My only regret is that we didn't have more ethnic breakdowns of the electorate and what it means for American politics spill one out for the neb.

xxpost Fer sure. The more knowledgeable and informed posters in these threads deserve a Pulitzer for cutting through the fat and consistently outclassing a lot of the pallid mainstream media election coverage this year.

It's a shame Louis isn't here any more to deliver that cheering 'good luck usa' as the first response to the last election thread

ten years ago we had bob hope steve jobs and l0u1s jagg3r

^^^hammerban xp

Got to chime in quickly now that its all coming to an end, I've been reading the last 5 or 6 election threads since stumbling across this site and its really been a pleasure. Nice work you guys.

http://i.imgur.com/axu30NB.jpg

no line this morning at my precinct in lakewood, oh, a democratic suburb of cleveland. it was busy but pretty fast-moving. there was a grumpy old white dude who was passed between various sign-in tables though and he was very annoyed by that. on his way out he said "finally we can get rid of everything that's ruining this country"

guy who rents a room in the house next door to us outside wearing an uncle sam hat and holding a vote for trump sign trying to get cars to honk. maria yelled at him. she couldn't help herself. he said he likes all people and doesn't like trump he just doesn't want hillary to melt his face. also he didn't understand why maria had a problem since he was white and she was white.

also last night at the grocery store i overheard a guy behind the seafood counter tell another guy he better not vote for swillary or he'd shoot him in the head.

massachusetts gone wild.

also i was asked for ID twice? once just to get into the room and another time to find my name on the list. i wasn't aware of OH voter id laws. it was a little weird.

planning to spend 5 to midnight tonight in the pottery studio, call me when its over plz /pvmic

always been asked for ID in Shaker, voted absentee this year

xpost

good morning, where's the Aperol?

I voted last week, by mail - one of my big takeaways from this year is that a lot more states need to adopt the Oregon system, hopefully we'll see movement towards that.

Dowd I think it must have been 2004 or conceivably 2008. I have only met the L. Jagger person a handful of times and it was after he had first attained some kind of strange reputation on ilx, which I never understood. In person he was quite friendly! Anyway I think of him posting in about 2006.

I agree with or expand on the view expressed above that the ilx US election threads have been

a) remarkably well informed and a great source of links to substantial information, and yes, often more insightful than general media coverage

b) as I have said before, often remarkably witty.

Line around two blocks in my Manhattan polling place. All in all a 45 minute process, but I'd wait on line for days in the snow to vote against that Dyspeptic Carrot

The precinct I'm observing in Collinwood has been running smoothly. No waiting or lines but a steady stream of voters, nearly 100% African-American. The outside poll observers said there was some yahoo walking around the building yelling REMEMBER BENGHAZI WHEN YOU VOTE.

Also, I highly recommend the Samantha Bee segment endorsing Hillary--made me feel even better about my vote

https://youtu.be/b6zf5VkuiEQ

The GOP area supervisor showed up about half an hour ago and was surprised he had no observers here. I made sure to let him know I had been here since 5:30am for the Democrats.

The precinct I'm observing in Collinwood has been running smoothly. No waiting or lines but a steady stream of voters, nearly 100% African-American. The outside poll observers said there was some yahoo walking around the building yelling REMEMBER BENGHAZI WHEN YOU VOTE.

― and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Tuesday, November 8, 2016 10:13 AM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i drove by a few polling places in glenville on my way to work, they seemed busy but nothing crazy too.

Took me 5 minutes this morning. Mostly everyone in Hoboken is saving it for after work, I guess.

omg @ Don Shelby

Ha. Paul F Tompkins surveys the crowd of onscreen supporters at a Trump rally:

https://mobile.twitter.com/PFTompkins/status/795870883055177728

Voting has always been a five minute matter at my polling place -- took 30 minutes today.

voted in a lil town in vermont, spent more time on the ballot than i did waiting in line

I think it's only fair to request that every news outlet constantly trumpeting the nail-bitingly razor thin margin between Clinton and Trump permanently shutter their operations after Clinton's decisive victory. So fucking sick of that narrative.

I'm going to repost what I wrote on Facebook about how I'm viewing today:

I voted a week ago. It was remarkably easy, especially since my family was out of town at the time and it was Halloween; I left work, drove to City Hall, stood in two short lines, filled in some ovals and PRESTO! Done and done.

The last time I really struggled with who I wanted to vote for in a Presidential election was in 1992. I was extremely dissatisfied with President Bush's handling of the Gulf War. (I was 100% against going in but I felt that if we were to engage, we needed to engage 100%; I felt like the actual engagement plan we pursued was wishy-washy and almost guaranteed to destabilize the region further. I was also 18 and a certified military genius, as evidenced by my Tetris high score.) I was certain we needed a change and I thought that change was best represented by Paul Tsongas. When he lost the primary, I became very, very disillusioned. I knew Bush wasn't my guy and Clinton's speeches did not convince me he was my guy, either. Therefore, I did what any rational new voter would do; I went to the polls, thought long and hard about the type of person I though had the ideas and policy positions that would make sense for the direction I thought our country should go, and then wrote in my father for President.

Sadly, he didn't win. My timeline for building up grass roots support for my father's presidential bid was severely off, as I didn't start talking him up as the sane and rational choice to my friends until about a week after the election. I didn't even tell him that I considered him to be Presidential material until after the results were tallied. Maybe it was a foolish and vain thing to do; I don't know. I do know though that somewhere, in the depths of the vote tallies for the 1992 Presidential election, assuming the tallies are granular enough, there is a line item that says "D___ Perry - 1" and that the country missed out on electing the first black president by 16 years, even if he didn't know at the time that he was in the running.

This year, my choice was decided before the primaries ended. I read the platforms of the Sanders campaign and the Clinton campaign and liked both of them. I was happy with the execution of either vision, to the point where I literally could have flipped a coin to decide my primary vote. I knew one of them would be representing the Democrats when it came to Election Day and I knew I would be voting for him or her. That was pretty much it for me; I didn't take any of the Republicans seriously because all of them, from my perspective at least, had a fatal flaw that would not allow me to even consider voting for them. That Donald Trump emerged the victor once everything was said and done is not only an indictment of the current state of the Republican party; it is an indictment of the dog-whistles and racist underpinnings that are the true foundation of Republican thought once you scrape off the veneer of egalitarian self-determinism. It is all very well to proclaim yourself the party of individualism and excellence but when you do so by promoting policies that explicitly target the rights of women, minorities, queer and poor people, your proclamations ring hollow. Despite my liberal bent, I do not think that all conservative ideas are by definition wrong; I know I don't have all the answers and I am well aware of how unintended consequences work. However, if I do not believe you are willing to grant me a seat at the table and listen to my perspective, I can do nothing with your ideology. This is the corner the Republican party has eagerly painted itself into dating back to Nixon; Donald Trump is your triumphant culmination. I hope you are happy with yourselves.

Everyone who is eligible should vote. Everyone should vote not only with their self-interest in mind, but interest in the standing of your community, your state, your nation and your world. I've made my position clear; if you haven't done so already, now it's your turn. Vote.

tick

So what happened to that Twitter guy people kept quoting here about new Trump oppo about to be released? Rick Wilson?

new Trump oppo is HILLARY WINNING

US is about to oppo dump all over Trump

45 minute wait in the most diverse place in the USA. Long-haired roadie-looking guy wore a brightly colored pantsuit with a hillary pin but nobody stopped him for electioneering. Old asian lady with not great english showed me her blank ballot and asked how to fill it out. I began explaining and she asked "just want Hillary, where do I do that". I decided to not try to explain where and how she should vote for Hillary on the Working Families line.

Good morning ilxors. Am ringing doorbells most of the day in New Hampshire. Lots of ppl not home obv, but gotta keep on keeping on, I'm just one bee in the hive and going where I'm told.

Xp. Thx for that post, Dan.

So what happened to that Twitter guy people kept quoting here about new Trump oppo about to be released? Rick Wilson?

looks like it had too high an editorial hurdle to climb + people not wanting to break NDAs, but some people apparently think it's definitely coming out at some point.

looks like it had too high an editorial hurdle to climb + people not wanting to break NDAs, but some people apparently think it's definitely coming out at some point.

― frogbs

at which point whoever was sitting on it is going to have a very fun time explaining why they didn't release it when it mattered.

I dunno, Trump's still going to get his ass handed to him today, and I think continued efforts to delegitimize him after the fact are worthwhile. Dude needs to be decisively stamped into the dirt.

So what happened to that Twitter guy people kept quoting here about new Trump oppo about to be released? Rick Wilson?

― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes), Tuesday, November 8, 2016 10:46 AM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Rumor is there were two oppos that still haven't come out:

1. Video of Trump in Russia with prostitutes
2. Evidence of Trump having paid for (multiple?) abortions

But alas, no appearance of these things yet

so according to the votecastr - http://www.slate.com/votecastr_election_day_turnout_tracker.html

hillary is leading in OH, IA, NV, WI and CO. trump is leading in PA but with only 4% of votes observed (the other states are much higher). nothing for NH yet.

xxp:

Withholding facts about his repugnance might serve a purpose (Clinton certainly didn't share oppo before the GOP convention), especially if Trump decides to become a kingmaker in GOP politics with Mercer media money.

xp oh yeah, and leading in FL too

https://twitter.com/NoahGrayCNN/status/796019686907453441
trump getting some boos as he goes to vote

He would vote at Lips

about to leave my house to go Vote

Noah Gray Verified account 
‏@NoahGrayCNN
Scene outside PS 59 as Donald Trump arrives to vote for himself for the second time ever

lol otm

think i'm gonna vote around 3 when my girls get out of school so i can bring them along

btw, lol BK NYC but this was put up under a bridge i jogged by

http://i.imgur.com/xBAoqa9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xRzR8ZF.jpg

and then torn down the next day

just got home from an exhausting 13 minutes of Voting

ciderpress how is the marijuana legalization issue looking in MA

My friend in NYC tried to vote but Trump was at the polling place voting for himself and she couldn't get in

Voter suppression!

I glanced at those Wilson and Mair Twitter feeds and was amazed to see them *still* pitching these ever more explicit but still far from useful Trump dumps. The responses have been pretty hilarious.

Any suggestions for online updates of the Senate race? I'm choosing to focus on that specifically today, to the extent that I'm able.

marcos i haven't really been following it but general sentiment among the few ppl ive talked to is that it's likely to pass

road trip to MA soon !!

we filed to vote by mail and then decided to drop our ballots off, which was smart. i was in and out in three minutes. our neighbor had been waiting in line for an hour, we exchanged "good luck usa" well wishes and parted ways.

LOL

https://twitter.com/Gabbienain/status/796031055715246080

http://election.princeton.edu/todays-electoral-vote-histogram/

what exactly happened here? distribution looks like it's giving Trump a path to win though he still has the probability at >99%

looks at this instead: http://www.270towin.com/maps/princeton-election-consortium

It's a narrow path, but there's still a legitimate chance that Trump could win the election. The most likely path would entail having his opponent murdered and legally changing his own name to Hillary Clinton before the day is done. Chances are slim that he'll go that route, but if he does, democrats may have a long night ahead of them. Back to you, Bob.

I like paths that aren't narrow

If you roll a pure 20 even if you needed more than 20 to hit it still counts as a critical so even if the number he needs to roll to succeed is higher than the sides on the die there is still a path to victory.

Guam rejects socialism

yeah just trying to understand what I'm seeing there. yesterday the red line indicated that it was basically impossible for him to win, now it seems possible but unlikely

of course Clinton's massive GOTV effort compared to Trump having virtually zero may cause a previously undetectable shift of 3-4 points so that at least gives me comfort

I won't be going back to arguing the toss with Mordy unless I have more spare time on my hands, but I wanted to say that I'm definitely in favour of any meta work to compare the various predictors and grade them - is there any, even just something that says "Here's the states that the predictions vary on"?

xpost Anything is possible. It's possible that I develop a Kuato on my chest before day's end. But the fact that it's possible doesn't mean I'm going to waste any time buying up cases of anti-Kuato cream over an outcome that's basically impossible.

At this point, I'm just hoping that Trump suffers a crushing defeat. As much as anything else, this election is a referendum against the bullshit he's stirred up, so we need it to be decisive and then some.

ditto - I want this to be Trump's legacy, more than anything else

http://67.media.tumblr.com/348ecde92ec6bc5558733f3310c94a78/tumblr_o3jq6pooTW1u1k0s1o1_500.jpg

I want him to lose the election and then there is some killing blow via a lawsuit or a prosecution or some story in the press that finishes him off for good and he becomes completely poisonous and loses everything and lives out the rest of his days in a tiny little house somewhere, a complete pariah.

http://election.princeton.edu/todays-electoral-vote-histogram/

what exactly happened here? distribution looks like it's giving Trump a path to win though he still has the probability at >99%

― frogbs, Tuesday, November 8, 2016 11:53 AM (twenty-one minutes ago)

btw there was a post yesterday on his site where he admitted one of the assumptions built into his model was a little off and a better probability would be around 95%

i voted this morning. voted straight working families party (they almost always endorse dems) except for president (left blank) and senator (voted green, but mostly against chuck schumer).

i actually agonized about the presidential vote all morning and for about 30 seconds in the booth. part of me really wanted to vote against trump and for the first woman president but i couldn't do it

I ate some of this last night

http://www.thegrocer.co.uk/Pictures/420xAny/8/6/8/82868_Oppo.jpg

Was kinda bullshit

How noble.

Was there anything inside?

Please answer that as cryptically as possible.

does spirulina increase the likelihood of a dump? y/n

Fat-ass hippo is "luxury ice cream," spirulina hummingbird is "guilt-free indulgence." Put *that* on ballot.

One of my friends added me to the Pantsuit Nation group and it's been kind of great watching the undulating waves of support people (primarily women) have been giving each other through the turmoil of emotions stirred up by this election. Bits of it initially came across as a little Amway cultish but I got over that relatively quickly in the face up multiple "your support is helping me sleep at night after my family disowned me for supporting Clinton" posts.

My wife has been overcome with happy tears on and off for two days from reading Pantsuit Nation posts.

https://twitter.com/FrankCundiff/st...017747876544512
https://twitter.com/FrankCundiff/st...017964856311808
https://twitter.com/FrankCundiff/st...018227243577344

awesome

down already?

Yeah, yr Twitter links are all broke, frogs.

https://twitter.com/FrankCundiff

Frank Cundiff ‏@FrankCundiff
So in other news. Friends of mine who are black & live in Chesapeake are having to be escorted by the police into the voting place bc 1/x

Frank Cundiff @FrankCundiff
Trump supporters are blocking the doors and calling them racial slurs. This isn't a third party "telephone game" rumor. This is people 2/x

Frank Cundiff ‏@FrankCundiff
I know who are having their voting rights infringed upon by Trump supporters. It shames me to be from that area. 3/3.

thanks DJP

anyone wanna make bets?

HRC + 3

OH: Trump
NC: HRC
PA: HRC
FL: HRC
MI: HRC
NV: HRC
CO: HRC
NH: HRC

DRANK

Iowa's going Trump too

thats chesapeake VA?

xp

So fucking ashamed of Ohio.

i don't want to make bets, sorry

I still think Ohio's narrowly going Clinton. Iowa probably won't though.

why would Hillary win Ohio, she's never been ahead there

Here's my best guess, which mirrors conventional wisdom:

http://www.270towin.com/presidential_map_new/maps/NVbyV.png

i didn't put Iowa in my pool im p sure that gonna go Trump

here's my electoral map:
http://www.270towin.com/maps/VVJmZ

my guess is hillary +5, 51 dem seats

left NV blank bc i'm rooting for surprise mcmullin victory

https://twitter.com/KellyBrouse/status/796044515840839680

That slate votecastr makes my head hurt

Votecaster is the worst guitar.

why would Hillary win Ohio, she's never been ahead there

Lebron endorsed her

xps these trump NV accusations make me think he's never had to stand in line for anything in his life. If you queue before the poll closes and wait in line until your turn, you get to vote

Breaking: Trump never even attempts to pick up the ball during one-on-one basketball game and subsequently loses, sues his opponent.
Breaking: Trump ate a button, sues button manufacturer.
Breaking: Trump hits head on pavement and leaves wound untended until he dies, sues universe.

Like, what kind of dipshit yes-men attorneys must he have that they're unwilling to inform him that ignorance isn't a legitimate basis upon which to file a lawsuit?

how dare you call him ignorant, that's slander. lawsuit pending.

Dan's map is the same as Wang's minus the loose Maine EV, I think.

I have no quarrel with either. Once PA and NC are called I'm opening the champagne. OH can fuck right off, and I'm not even interested in hearing about FL. Sixteen years ago, it used up its moment in the sunshine of my attention. She has plenty of ways to win without the Nation's Wang.

The purpose of Trump's lawsuits is generally something other than to address a legitimate grievance or injury. In this case it is to start a rumor that might conceivably give him some temporary leverage on election day to motivate his voters.

we've all been sullied by this campaign except k3vin who can hold his head high

ya

Yeah good luck with that "election wuz rigged" narrative, Trump... what people want more than anything when they wake up tomorrow is for this shit to be over with. Your insane desire to drag out the process through Christmas will make everyone, include most of the folks who voted for you, want to throttle you.

did we get this yet?

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/donald-trump-son-just-broke-law-while-voting-162746532.html

xpost Despite his most petulant efforts, the process won't even be dragged out beyond 12:25 tonight.

we've all been sullied by this campaign except k3vin who can hold his head high

― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, November 8, 2016 1:12 PM (six minutes ago)

lol wait what did i do

NC will go for Trump. Due to a combination of voter suppression and my extended family voting for Trump.

xpost It's the notes you didn't play that matter.

did we get this yet?

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/donald-trump-son-just-broke-law-while-voting-162746532.html

― how's life, Tuesday, November 8, 2016 12:17 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You can't expect regular people to know about laws and stuff. Eric Trump should sue his polling place, Twitter, and the manufacturer of his phone.

Here's my map from yesterday:

http://i.imgur.com/Z8y6WpK.jpg

Also, I'm the guy who used to put Lindsey Lohan in the Dead Pool every year.

we've all been sullied by this campaign except k3vin who can hold his head high

― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown)

dante aligheri begs to differ

A friend of mine is moving to North Dakota soon. I'm jealous

xp

i actually agonized about the presidential vote all morning and for about 30 seconds in the booth. part of me really wanted to vote against trump and for the first woman president but i couldn't do it

― k3vin k., Tuesday, November 8, 2016 12:23 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol why

In the best of possible worlds, the many trump-inspired idiots who intimidate voters at polling places today will be arrested and fined substantially and the assholes they're supporting either lose, or else win by a large enough margin that the intimidation was pointless.

i actually agonized about the presidential vote all morning and for about 30 seconds in the booth. part of me really wanted to vote against trump and for the first woman president but i couldn't do it

― k3vin k., Tuesday, November 8, 2016 12:23 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol why

― marcos, Tuesday, November 8, 2016 1:29 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

cooties surely

i actually agonized about the presidential vote all morning and for about 30 seconds in the booth. part of me really wanted to vote against trump and for the first woman president but i couldn't do it

― k3vin k., Tuesday, November 8, 2016 12:23 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol why

― marcos, Tuesday, November 8, 2016 1:29 PM (forty-nine seconds ago)

she's the same shitty warmongering person she was two years ago before this all started and before she had trump to run against to make herself look better in comparison. that said if i lived where you do i'd vote for her in a heartbeat

https://twitter.com/NAACP/status/795986485061320705

she's the same shitty warmongering person she was two years ago before this all started and before she had trump to run against to make herself look better in comparison. that said if i lived where you do i'd vote for her in a heartbeat

― k3vin k., Tuesday, November 8, 2016 10:32 AM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

idk the big political takeaway of the last 16 years seems to be "warmongering is fine"

we've all been sullied by this campaign except k3vin who can hold his head high

― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, November 8, 2016 10:12 AM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what a bunch of crap. sounds like you're the one holding his head high!! nee ner nee ner!!

Anything besides Slate votecastr tracking things? Or is that itself (and any other) too unreliable to follow?

votecastr seemed cool at first but doesn't really seem to be updating

eh, maybe is, never mind

PA is surprising and scary on there right now, but then again why look now? Should any of that data be analyzed good or bad yet?

she's up in every swing state in the votecastr

she's up 100,000 in PA i don't know why you'd be concerned

voting machine vulnerability: https://blog.cylance.com/cylance-discloses-voting-machine-vulnerability

now up almost 300,000 in PA

(acc to votecastr take w grain of salt but still this should at the very least not concern you!)

Oh- I looked very quickly maybe I got mixed up.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwwRCTOXEAEbrVS.jpg

oh sorry i was looking at FL. still 100,000 in PA

(she's up 300,000 in FL tho?!?)

Hilarious, maybe he's copying off his wife. Because he can't read.

it looks like FL is going to blow by the 2012 turnout

A marriage built on mutual trust and respect obviously (xp)

Where's Ned been by the way?

Scottf, is he seriously peeking over to make sure Melania is voting for him? lulz. Maybe she's thinking "what would Michelle Obama do?"

Obv. Melania is worried she might be deported under a Trump presidency.

it looks like FL is going to blow by the 2012 turnout

― Mordy, Tuesday, November 8, 2016 1:52 PM

waaaay past it

Trump is ready for a newer model...

Ned's taking a break until the results are in.

Voted at 9:00 in Pasadena, CA, polling place was more crowded than I've ever seen it, but still was only 20-25 minutes from getting in line to leaving. The only people that looked like poll watchers were a couple of elderly people, and no signs of intimidation.

With that, I'm taking a break myself from ILX for the next few days; there's simply too much angst out there on the Net/media in general and it's frustrating me. Not being Pollyannaish in saying that, I just know when I need to cut things off. At this point I'm limiting myself to checking the Elections Project and Ralston Twitter feeds as well as some of their interactions. Do whatever you all have to and I'll see you at some point next week.

― Ned Raggett, Friday, 4 November 2016 14:43 (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

alfred am i crazy for thinking that at this rate a rubio loss is not such a longshot any more? up 300,000!

How reasonable are these Slate projections? There are quite a few layers of assumption and demographic modelling going on there. They're not actual votes cast. I'm not going to get pulled into it... I watched the CNN exit polls change over time back in 2004 and drove myself a bit mad trying to understand what was going on. (For several weeks afterwards I was semi-convinced it was some kind of scandal).

yeah, was just about to say, I feel very skeptical about this votecastr thing

They currently have Clinton squeaking ahead in OH, so...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cwwei-KUoAAhyuT.jpg

it's almost like your average person shouldn't waste time with polls for months and months and instead just wait for the thing to be officially called

supposedly this is what campaigns use on election day

where's the fun in that xp

Riding the bus past Trump Tower on 5th Ave this morning I was amused to see that the city had blocked off the entire building with Department of Sanitation trucks.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/11/election-2016-voter-intimidation-tracker-live-blog#update

https://twitter.com/AriBerman/status/796060435166429184

Trump supporters blocking entrance to polls & intimidating voters in Coral Springs, Florida. Pics sent by volunteer from HRC campaign

they look like a bunch of losers to me

https://twitter.com/AndrewKragie/status/796066519218356224

they look like you could knock them down really easily.

wow at kiss guy!!!!

Thanks to DJP for sharing that Facebook post - love that story.

Thanks to you all for a good year and a half of discussion here. It is definitely my first and preferred stop for these matters, and that's with all the minuses that we all know come with the territory. That said, to anyone first discovering ILX by the nightmarish-sounding route of reading these threads back to back without even the hook of having participated in them: my god, I'm so sorry.

At this point I'm going to pull something of a Ned and turn even further towards lurking on these threads - I've been withdrawing a bit in the final weeks for various reasons but here especially it feels like checking voting tallies as they come in is just elongating the misery of election-night coverage. Whoever it was that was complaining the "Senator X is now up by a few thousand with 3% of the votes in..." spiel is OTM. Hard enough to bear that when you have some hope that within another couple hours you may have resolution. I'm either going to duck out for an afternoon in the woods or bury myself in a double-feature or something. That's not to hate on anybody who does find meaning (or badly-needed reassurance) in that data as it comes - and certainly not anybody sharing info on really critical news like the voter intimidation developments.

no one should be forced to participate but i'm not sure what the significance is of dropping out in the final hours when the marathon is almost at an end :p

seeya on the other side! :)

xpost

Adam Thomas ‏@RunninRebe1 40m40 minutes ago
@AriBerman maybe hold up a sign down the street that says "Free Meth Here" to lure them away?

at this point i'm following this thread not for minute-to-minute result watching (which is stressful and not useful), and more for voter-intimidation bullshit like what carne arsada just posted:

http://i.imgur.com/Qo23p1N.png

reminiscent of abortion clinic tactics tbh

alfred am i crazy for thinking that at this rate a rubio loss is not such a longshot any more? up 300,000!

― Mordy, Tuesday, November 8, 2016

You are not but stfu don't jinx it

Thanks, Dr. C. Your contributions to the discussion have been substantive and greatly appreciated, and your Trump impression is second to none.

I'm following the madness while I'm at work today but I otherwise pretty much intend to just watch movies until sometime before bed, when everything will hopefully be over and done with. I was sweating it last year but I'm feeling anxiety-free today (wrt the election results, anyway).

Giuliani getting NASTY on MSNBC right now as anchorwoman grills him on Trump supporters shouting "ASSASSINATE THAT BITCH" at his rallies

dunno if it's been posted already but WaPo has taken its paywall down for the day

'last year' = 2012 in my post, natch.

LOL HOLY FUCK

Giuliani: "I thought this was CNBC, fair and balanced."
Anchorwoman: "This is MSNBC."
Giuliani: "...whatever."

i'm pretty anxious tbh, will probably end up drinking too much tonight because of it.I already told my boss i'm coming in late tomorrow .

@ Mordy - didn't mean to impart any special significance to it, or throw shade - just walking through my own thoughts on how I need to time-out on this specific phase to avoid just sitting at a computer for twelve hours hitting "refresh," something I do far too much of as it is! Kinda overlaps with more general "yikes, am I spending too much time on ILX" type thoughts, too.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cwwei-KUoAAhyuT.jpg

The person on the left is trying to vote twice! Bottom half first, top half later. Must be one of those dead folks Trump warned us about.

Elvis Telecom, your podcast ep is awesome. I've been sharing it all morning.

http://www.lasvegasnow.com/breaking-live-news

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/election/article113157713.html

check out the map

judge in NV not having it lol

xxp what's the video about carne?

A Nevada district court is hearing arguments for the lawsuit between the Trump campaign and the county registrar in Nevada for keeping polling stations open late on an early voting day.

It accuses Joe P Gloria, the Clark County registrar of voters, of keeping polling locations open "two hours beyond the designated closing time".

a companion to the mother jones voter intimidation/voting problems map, google has one
http://www.businessinsider.com/google-interactive-voting-issues-map-2016-11

the lawyer is insane . asking for individual ballets and the names of all the people working the polls

ballots*

will be voting today after work, our polling place is usually chill. i think if there's lines it'll just be bc it takes 9 years to get through the 17 ballot initiatives

Looking for a 1-2 Hillary Kamala victory

xpost These are the desperate actions of someone who knows they're going to lose.

From Miami Herald article:

The number of Hispanics voting early stood at 976,000 Monday, nearly twice as high as 2012, Smith posted on his blog, electionsmith.com. The number of African-Americans voting before Election Day has grown from about 764,000 in 2012 to more than 834,000 this year.

oh that depressed African-American turnout you see

https://twitter.com/Deadspin/status/796076676480434176

lol

One of my fellow poll observers tells me Toledo Firefighters for Trump were linking arms and blocking a polling place. No confirming reports yet.

would not like to be that lawyer eating shit for trump

My favorite genre is judges having zero patience for lawyerly poppycock

My polling place is across the street from a cemetery. I'm going to write down some gravestone names and treat that voter line like one for a waterslide.

LOL HOLY FUCK

Giuliani: "I thought this was CNBC, fair and balanced."
Anchorwoman: "This is MSNBC."
Giuliani: "...whatever."

― flappy bird, Tuesday, November 8, 2016 2:37 PM (forty minutes ago)

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/this-is-msnbc-katy-tur-hits-back-at-giuliani-as-he-rails-about-unfairness-of-cnbc/

lmao

https://twitter.com/joshmbarn/status/796028474171555840

Re: some upthread stuff... I think Bill's title should be Bad Hombre #1.

the first creepy uncle

OMG, Shakey, that is fucking hilarious.

First Clenis

xpost That sham Nevada lawsuit looks like Trump camp setting table for heightened "rigged" narrative post-election.

YOU'RE GONNA LOSE

incredible

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qjLVNBw3ZQ

Adele is doing the first of two sold-out concerts here tonight. If this gets called early enough, how freaking surreal would it be to find out from Adele on stage?

SKYYYYYYYYYYY FAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLL

There's been such an air of defeat at NRO lately that this counts as shocking:

Neat, huh? But, watching it this morning, a thought occurred to me: This might be the last period for a while during which the Democratic party is cool. In two months, Barack Obama will be an ex-president, and, if today’s polls are correct, his replacement will be a septuagenarian Nixonian whose aides have spent the best part of three decades trying to make people like her. Although President Obama has been a poor salesman for his ideology — there are few ideas he has made more popular during his presidency — he is generally liked and admired, and he has been for a long time. Hillary is not, and nobody seems to be able to do anything about it. That matters.

we voted - no wait though they said it was quite busy earlier that day. first year i took my 5yo into the booth w me and let her hit the vote button. she was ecstatic and dug the sticker too. on the drive home she mentioned that a friend told her "donald trump will destroy something."

XP But But but...The Republicans Have Never Been Cool!

Seriously, Trump has been Peak Republican Cool.

https://twitter.com/jimpjorps/status/796043804629499904

according to votecastr the dems have already passed 2012 turnout in fla

you know, this stereotype of a lot of the super-racist anti-semitic Trump twitter mob being young dudes furiously tweeting in their parents' homes seems like an exaggeration but I'm really not so sure anymore

How is this going overall? Luckily running around at client's office has kept me from intensely scanning the web for reassurance.

nobody will know anything until v late tonight. Election days are always like this - like 12 hours of more or less nothing but fevered speculation and then eventually certified results

Hahahaha https://twitter.com/JenniferJJacobs/status/796095747871666181

I love watching Trump and his ilk slowly realize that the country is organized in part by a system of 'rules' and 'laws' that can't be overcome by screaming or threats of violence.

Elizabeth Rogers ‏@e1izabethrogers
@JenniferJJacobs protecting his final horcrux....?

my first thought xp

Chuck Tingle is here in our time of need:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01M7W0Q7I/

"Slammed In The Butt By The Handsome Sentient Manifestation Of Election Day"

Description
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Fortunately, help arrives in the physically manifested form of Election Day itself, a handsome sentient segment of time who is ready to help Rinron with his decision.

It quickly becomes apparent, however, that for Rinron to choose his political party he’s going to need to stop thinking with his brain and heart, and start thinking with his butt.

This erotic tale is 4,000 words of sizzling human on gay democratically significant event action, including anal, blowjobs, rough sex, double penetration, cream pies and Election Day love.

<3 Chuck Tingle

"Slammed In The Butt By The Handsome Sentient Manifestation Of Election Day"

new thread title

cream pies and Election Day love

If only we could've held out a little longer on the new thread title.

Ha.

in my prediction map I left Arizona in gray, hoping that John McCain's reelection would cause the state to vaporize.

if you're bored, you can watch workers for my county open thousands of envelopes

http://www.kingcounty.gov/depts/elections/about-us/security-and-accountability/watch-us-in-action.aspx

Thanks for the Tingle pointer. Quite the niche. Turned Gay By The Existential Dread That I May Actually Be A Character In A Chuck Tingle Book

following up on discussion of how to compare 538 to other forecasts given they all predicted a hillary win is more likely than not

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jsvine/grading-the-2016-election-forecasts?utm_term=.qloLM56KN#.adedo6gN9

http://multithreaded.stitchfix.com/blog/2016/11/08/Being-Wrong-the-Right-Number-of-Times/

It rewards confidence on correct predictions, and penalizes confidence on incorrect predictions. If two forecasters predict every state correctly, for example, the more-confident forecaster will score better.

It disproportionately penalizes overconfidence. For example, if you gave Trump a 70% chance in Georgia but he loses there, you’d receive a 0.49 point penalty. But if you gave him an 80% chance, you’d receive a 0.64 point penalty.

!!!

really fascinated how by "certain groups" as a term has become very popular this election cycle. i guess the genius is that "certain groups" is whoever you fear most -- blacks, latinos, homosexuals, women. for me it's gun owners.

who feels like doin some trolling

http://projectveritas.com/report-voter-fraud-here/

if you're bored, you can watch workers for my county open thousands of envelopes

http://www.kingcounty.gov/depts/elections/about-us/security-and-accountability/watch-us-in-action.aspx

― slathered in cream and covered with stickers (silby), Tuesday, November 8, 2016 3:22 PM

http://i.imgur.com/mcieFNU.png

"Wait! Where did the stack of ballots I had that was – ALL RIGHT, WHO TURNED THE FAN ON?"

trolling done by others:
https://twitter.com/virgiltexas

Well at least we know where the CTA stands:
https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14938133_10154669822169808_3484377311330277864_n.jpg?oh=3f9bd69f4fe438be3edf89fce6159d74&oe=588BF6BD

lol thx sarah

Californians: any chance of the marijuana legalization proposition passing? Any other really big ballot measures, local or statewide? I know there's something about soda tax, I think in both Oakland and SF? Sorry I don't live close enough to pay close attention any more, and with the Bay Guardian gone, I've lost my interest in strident coverage of local Bay Area politics.

Seems like legalization is going to pass (at least the last polls I heard had it winning pretty comfortably).

oh god, will be so thrilled when I stop seeing soda tax ads. I am almost attempted to vote for it because of the omnipresence of anti-soda tax ads.

so many ballot measures! continue taxing the rich, bring back bilingual education, ... and then the death penalty stuff and random things like porn condoms and plastic bag bans

I couldn't wait to vote for the soda tax, more taxes on cigarettes and more gun control. I was more excited about voting on those three than anything else on the ballot.

Sarahell may I ask how you went on the BART bond?

xpost

Why wouldn't you vote for the soda tax? Diabetes and associated metabolic syndrome is becoming a huge problem, I actually had a friend in SF who had type 2 diabetes since he was a teenager. My understanding is that the soda tax in Mexico provided significant public health benefits. I could be wrong tho.

Never forget this column:

All the vibrations are right. A person who is helping him who is not a longtime Romneyite told me, yesterday: “I joined because I was anti Obama—I’m a patriot, I’ll join up But now I am pro-Romney.” Why? “I’ve spent time with him and I care about him and admire him. He’s a genuinely good man.” Looking at the crowds on TV, hearing them chant “Three more days” and “Two more days”—it feels like a lot of Republicans have gone from anti-Obama to pro-Romney.

Something old is roaring back. One of the Romney campaign’s surrogates, who appeared at a rally with him the other night, spoke of the intensity and joy of the crowd “I worked the rope line, people wouldn’t let go of my hand.” It startled him. A former political figure who’s been in Ohio told me this morning something is moving with evangelicals, other church-going Protestants and religious Catholics. He said what’s happening with them is quiet, unreported and spreading: They really want Romney now, they’ll go out and vote, the election has taken on a new importance to them.

There is no denying the Republicans have the passion now, the enthusiasm. The Democrats do not. Independents are breaking for Romney. And there’s the thing about the yard signs. In Florida a few weeks ago I saw Romney signs, not Obama ones. From Ohio I hear the same. From tony Northwest Washington, D.C., I hear the same.

I've been saying "This will surprise many" to myself for days

Not sure where I stand on p0rn condoms.

vote no

https://www.queerty.com/la-times-not-michael-weinstens-california-condom-measure-20160929

the condom one has made for some very weird advertising: huge billboard in my oakland neighborhood that says "PORNOGRAPHERS SAY NO ON 60". It is remarkably unhelpful in terms of convincing you one way or another.

the vibrations are right indeed

trojan horse there eh

thanks for the classic Noonan (hah), Alfred

So what's the deal with the Florida Cuban vote? Read a couple of scare pieces indicating serious movement for Trump. Accurate?

And there’s the thing about the yard signs

i love how if you said this exact thing on ilx everyone would understand that the thing you mean about the yard signs is that they are meaningless indicators

I'd highly recommend reading everything Alfred has written on the subject, here and on his blog xp

otm

thanks, mh!

Josh, the Cuban vote isn't monolithic anymore. If you're Cuban, under 40, and/or left Cuba in the last 20 years you're voting for the Dems.

There simply aren't enough of the old guard left to make a difference

I tried to explain the movement a few months ago: https://humanizingthevacuum.wordpress.com/2016/08/10/nada-mas-the-story-of-cubans-and-the-gop/

I almost shared this on my FB wall, but some stretches are either a bit too dark, or I'm getting too old.

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/the-election-that-almost-ate-our-souls-1788701079

xpost Thanks, just arguing with someone on Facebook.

I've been saying "This will surprise many" to myself for days years.

Lord Alfred, I've been fake-concern-trolling right-wing sites with that Noonan column for weeks.

I LOVE that conservapeople are still like "but but but yard signs!" and "but but but rallies!".

if ever you worry that the trump campaign secretly knows what they are doing:

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/archive/%F0%9F%9A%A8%20trump%20concedes%20%F0%9F%9A%A8

lol Drudge sirens

Ha, wtf?

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/archive/i%20like%20to%20fart%20and%20am%20crazy

HA!

OK that is WAY too much fun.

Dude needs a private server.

lol omg

loool

hi guys. just voted! my polling place is the unitarian church across the street. oddly, the next closest polling place is two blocks away, at a lutheran church. in sum, i live in a densely populated area with a lot of churches.

chatted w/ a couple outside the polling place who were watching the live stream of the las vegas court hearing on their iPhone! she correctly pointed out that the trump campaign is less interested in the specifics of this or that legal process and more interested in sowing doubts about the election among its supporters. so i'm going to say again that i bet trump won't concede tonight, tomorrow, or perhaps this month. even if he loses by a large margin.

not feeling very sanguine about the future of this country (whatever tonight's outcome), but voting and walking around my very ethnically diverse neighborhood, seeing clinton signs outnumber trump signs maybe 8:1, then seeing the long line outside the polling place next to the liberal-arts college nearby (=lots of students voting, good news) has heartened me a slight bit.

i think i'll wait until 8 or 9 PM to start sipping on that bottle of scotch i bought for this occasion.

When I emerge from seeing "American Honey" at 9:30 PM EST I expect to be able to turn on my phone and learn that Trump lost by 10+ percentage points

MAKE IT HAPPEN

I am feeling generally upbeat about the election and its potential outcomes, but very very down about the ballot question I care for the most. In Massachusetts, ballot question two is about charter school expansion. The issue, in as unbiased nutshell as I can present it, is this: Should the state grant (up to) twelve additional charters every year w/ no foreseeable limits, and no added state oversight?

Supporting charter expansion are the Walton family, Michael Bloomberg, a coalition of Massachusetts banks, a New York-based PAC of investment bankers who donated $15.6 million dollars, and the state's Republican governor, Charlie Baker. This coalition has have portrayed the ballot question as a referendum on the efficacy on charter schools. Essentially their position is: If you agree – even in theory – that charters should practice in Massachusetts, vote YES ON 2!

Opposing charter expansion are the NAACP, NEA, NFT, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and public educators who have – through the mechanism of a union action – donated an average of $60 each. That's a $60 donation from the pocket of every public school teacher in the state (represented by its two biggest unions). Essentially the teachers' position is: Charters pose an existential threat to public schools and if you like public schools – even in theory – vote NO ON 2!

Obviously those are both false and incomplete positions. But who cares! That's actually not what question 2 is about. Surprise! Secret agenda!

To explain: Under current law, Massachusetts permits up to 120 charter schools to operate. There are currently (less than) 80 operating in the state. That means the state has brand new, shrink-wrapped charters waiting for an additional 40 schools to claim! Just sitting in a big old pile at the Department of Ed. So why the push to add more? It's certainly not for the students! It's because Massachusetts is viewed by both sides of the charter debate as a bell-weather in feasability of the for-profit/privatized education movement. As goes Massachusetts, so goes the country. That's why we've got investment bankers and conservative think-tanks on one side, and a fired-up coalition of teachers' unions working with the NAACP on the other. The (sometimes) for-profit charter operators have plans to gold-rush education. And step one is removing local and regional controls. YES on 2 reduces oversight on educational funding. NO on 2 maintains the oversight on educational funding. Either way, the state can issue 40 additional charter licenses without a ballot measure.

Question 2 isn't about the quality or legitimacy of charter schools. It never has been. It's about educational profiteeering in the name of reform. In the spirit of full disclosure, I have taught in public, private AND charter schools. I've had good days in all, and bad days in all.

This is really good, both as music selection and as comedy:

http://www.avclub.com/article/here-listen-some-calming-music-until-whole-electio-245596

"Here, listen to some calming music until this whole election thing blows over"

as the votes start rolling in, i guess i'm going to use TPM's tracker:

We will have results from all federal elections - president, senate, house plus governors. We will also have results down to the county level. And we'll present those results side by side with the 2012 results down to the county level. That will allow you to get a sense of how things compare to the 2012.

being able to easily compare counties seems useful. anyone else have better suggestions?

fuck charter schools

xp

shit remy idnkt

x-post

yeah the charter school debate is complicated because /in theory/ i'm not necessarily opposed to charter schools (in the narrow sense of public schools operating with some degree of autonomy) but the "charter school movement" such as it is is deeply infested with silicon valley/libertarian/corporate types who have effectively made charter schools a kind of stalking horse for the broader privatization of education AND de-unionization. that's certainly how it has played out in chicago.

poll monitoring (for the Dems) in S P Mn and turnout is very heavy--1200 votes in a precinct with 2100 registered voters (not counting early votes) as of 4. Over 100 new registrants, strong Somali turnout. feels good.

"That said, to anyone first discovering ILX by the nightmarish-sounding route of reading these threads back to back without even the hook of having participated in them: my god, I'm so sorry."
― dustalo springsteen (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 8 November 2016 19:25 (three hours ago)

I'm pretty sure my uninformed Brit hot takes would have gone down like a lead ballon had I chipped in tbh. I've learnt about a tonne of amazing music since finding this place so every cloud has a silver lining ;)

did i use the term "stalking horse" correctly? it's a nice term, although it makes me think about mr. ed creeping up on folks.

there were a couple CA propositions that seemed like putting restrictions on the state legislature.. didn't vote for that shit. the state legislature dumps enough work on the voters already. like why am I supposed to be sorting out bonds and shit?

it is is deeply infested with silicon valley/libertarian/corporate types who have effectively made charter schools a kind of stalking horse for the broader privatization of education AND de-unionization

this worked so well with prisons, amirite? and fire departments too! and utilities!

privatization must be fought tooth and nail at every turn, it's insidious and it doesn't work.

the only ballot proposition here was one to force judges to retire at age 75, which is a very dumb idea that i can't imagine will win. but if this year has proven anything it's that many people have a foamy substance where their brains should be.

Ballot questions here

1) Add more slot machines?
2) Lift the charter cap?
3) Improve conditions for farm animals
4) Legalize recreational pot use?

we had a proposition to force judges to retire at age 75 which was sneakily worded because they're currently forced to step down at age 70

privatization must be fought tooth and nail at every turn, it's insidious and it doesn't work.

I know people personally who, because they don't have enough money to send their kids to private school and are in a district where the public school is overburdened and understaffed and the children there are getting the short end of the stick as a result, have sent their kids to the charter school up the street. the ideal situation, obviously, is "fund public schools." if you're willing to sacrifice other people's children's education for four to sixteen years while you get around to getting that done, then go fuck yourself.

well yeah - fund public schools is my answer, soak the rich and make them pay for education and infrastructure

Non-public schools of all kinds should be illegal imo but that's probably unconstitutional

!!

yeah that cuts against some pretty bedrock american ideas, i think.

I also think jobs should be illegal

remy's post also gets at how I usually approach propositions - which is not based on the actual arguments being made but on who is supporting them. That divide usually tells you an awful lot about what is at stake and who's power is being amplified/undermined by the proposition, even if you don't understand the mechanics or likely impacts of the law. Whose interests are more likely to be aligned with my own - the teachers unions and NAACP, or a bunch of plutocrats and bankers? hmm real tough choice there...

xp

was reading a couple weeks/months ago about the north korean private schools they have in japan, and wow, that's way more fucked up than american private schools

Weather Channel has gone all new age babbling brooks and placid lakes this evening, for those who need a break.

Gonna go watch something other than elections coverage for the night, somebody send up the bat signal if Megyn Kelly and Karl Rove are in a room together or if Trump starts to cry on camera and I'll check back in when I'm reasonably sure pundits have stopped waffling on the inevitability of a President Clinton Mk II.

I've heard the MA charter schools are better than the horror-story corrupt ones that you typically hear about...

I voted against soda and cigarette taxes, because fuck regressive taxation.

also otm

admit it, you subsist on cigarettes and mountain dew

xp

lol, I actually do.

And pizza. FUCK A PIZZA TAX!

was reading a couple weeks/months ago about the north korean private schools they have in japan, and wow, that's way more fucked up than american private schools

― xiphoid beetlebum (rushomancy), Tuesday, November 8, 2016 2:56 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

they're not really fucked up dude

I know people personally who, because they don't have enough money to send their kids to private school and are in a district where the public school is overburdened and understaffed and the children there are getting the short end of the stick

this is important. and it's also important to realize that the people who ~ can ~ get their kids into charters are in some cases more privileged than the families who live near them.

for the record, i support school choice! and i support the responsible, effective charters ... provided they have the same (or equivalent) oversight as do the public schools! and i could write a lot of public vs. private vs. charter arguments cutting in any direction. but this issue is really abetting the erosion of a great (and flawed) american school system in the name of profit.

i have to admit that high cigarette taxes in this state have probably forced me to cut down my cigarette consumption, so that's one piece of social engineering that might just work

they're not really fucked up dude

― F♯ A♯ (∞)

well maybe it was a shitty article. who knows. internet, right?

so pleased to learn who smokes and who drinks Mountain Dew on ILX.

http://theslot.jezebel.com/every-description-jezebel-used-for-donald-trump-during-1772372244

Starts in 2015, but here is 2016:

Seagull dipped in tikka masala
Bursting landfill of municipal solid waste
Mountain of rotting whale blubber
Sputum-filled Orange Julius
Gangrenous gaping wound
Racist, sexist block of aged Cheddar
Oversized wasp exoskeleton stuffed with old mustard
Neo-fascist real estate golem
Abandoned roadside ham hock
Bewildered, golden-helmeted astronaut who’s just landed on this planet from a distant galaxy
Monument to human hubris crafted out of rotting Spam
A walking pile of reanimated roadkill
Heaving carcass
Stately hot dog casing
Flatulent leather couch
Swollen earthworm gizzard
Narcissistic bowl of rotten gazpacho
Yellowing hunk of masticated gristle
A human/Komodo dragon hybrid
Blackening scab artfully hiding in your Raisin Bran
“Taco truck”
A man who could one day become the first hobgoblin to enter the White House
A pair of chapped lips superglued to a hairball
Horsehair mattress stuffed with molding copies of Hustler
Malignant corn chip
Human Kinder Egg whose inner surprise is a tiny pebble of rat shit
The sculpture your three-year-old made out of soggy ground-up goldfish snacks
A man with the hair of a radioactive skunk
Roiling Cheez Whiz mass
Cryogenically frozen bog man
A glistening, shouting gristle mass with a history of saying terrible and stupid things
Screaming giant cheese wedge
Republican frontrunner and 250-pound accumulation of rancid beef
Day-Glo roadside billboard about jock itch
Temperamental gelatinous sponge
Sentient hate-balloon
A Rumpelstiltskin inflated with a bike pump and filled with bacteria
Sun-kissed ass plug
Self-tanning enthusiast
An enraged, bewigged fetus blown up to nightmarish size
Parental pile of burnt organic material
Human-shaped wad of Gak
Walking irradiated tumor
Uncooked chicken breast
KKK rally port-a-potty holding tank
Neon-tinted hellion
A plentiful field of dung piled into the shape of a presidential candidate
Malfunctioning wind turbine
Seeping fleabag
Sloshing styrofoam takeout container filled with three-day-old mac and cheese
A sticky, grabby, Cheeto-hued toddler with no sense of adult deportment
Figurative rubber, and also literal rubber
A carnivorous plant watered with irradiated bat urine
Sentient waste disposal plant
A disappointment
Poorly-drawn fascist
Racist teratoma
Lamprey eel spray-painted gold
A hair that you pluck, causing a cluster of hairs to sprout in its place
Sunken, corroding soufflé
Nacho cheese golem
Undead tangerine
A cartoon representation of Irritable Bowel Syndrome in a pharmaceutical ad
Fossilized meatball
Horking mole-creature suffering from radioactive spray-tan
Tattered Craigslist sofa
A full-grown Monopoly dog carefully balancing a spongecake atop his head
Play-Doh factory explosion
A new superfood made of finely-ground clown wigs
Unkempt troll doll found floating facedown in a tub of rancid Beluga caviar
Melting orange popsicle
A dangerous and stupid bigot who I do not have the heart to give a silly nickname to right now
A desiccated, hollowed-out pumpkin stuffed with wasps
A rusted refrigerator left out in the sun until its contents rot and swell into one noxious, congealed mass
A regurgitated wombat
Moldy pumpkin spice latte
A tax-avoidant opossum testicle dead-set on becoming president
Shrieking carbuncle in a red power tie
A Chipotle burrito taken to its natural, digested conclusion
Evil toddler and our Republican presidential nominee
A clump of moldering drain hair
An inflated pig stomach full of rotten pierogi
Flatulent butternut squash
One putrescent orange marshmallow
A sentient pile of dirty sheets covered in poop
Pilonidal cyst
Sexist sentient carrot
An abandoned cruise ship full of people afflicted with the Noro virus
A jack-o’-lantern that at least ten people have been using as a toilet
Bruised yam
Flaming sack of shit
Overflowing litter box
A repugnant pile of fetid horse shit
Shaved bear
Demonic, racist goldfish
Everyone’s least favorite Republican presidential candidate/rotting jack-o’-lantern
The embodiment of a long and thunderous fart in a stalled elevator
Rancid Halloween Oreo filling
Rage-addled Oompa Loompa
Rotten tanner-saturated gourd
Man-sized ass cyst
Your shitty racist uncle
A wizened ogre of a man with a mouth like an anus
Bewigged swollen gall bladder
A wheezing Blurrg from Endor’s forest moon
Trumpelstiltskin (whose gift is turning billions of dollars into air molecules)
Inflamed carbuncle
A face like a rusted manhole cover, hair that legally qualifies as a fire hazard, and the diet of Templeton the rat
A soggy cracker spread with spoiled shrimp compote
Amphibious
Noted chode
An industrial-sized wastebasket in a clip-on tie
Impacted molar
A bag of hot garbage moldering in the summer sun
A dry creek bed mysteriously studded with dog turds
A haunted bidet
A yellowing mop dripping with an unidentifiable, viscous fluid
Anthropomorphic lie
A rooster who wandered into the house and has to be restrained beneath a metal wastebasket
The political equivalent of one of those mutant factory farm chickens with breasts so big it can’t walk
Spray-tanned blobfish
The human equivalent to a hideously oppressive smell with no known provenance
A parking cone with emotional issues
Moldy prawn burrito
Gelatinous heap
A horrible man with hair like used dental floss and ideas that threaten the definition of democracy as we know it
A hexed tub of Velveeta that’s been brought to life and won’t stop screaming racist insults from inside your kitchen cabinet
A scabies outbreak in your freshman dormitory
Fetid pooh-face
Floppy sack of rancid chicken fat
Self tanner-soaked Whoopee cushion
A cicada husk dipped in fermenting carrot soup
Fire ant infestation with too many resources
A cirrhotic cheetah liver dusted in gold leaf
Walking staph infection
Large orange baby
A sociopathic golem whose mouth puckers like an anus
Serial woman-cherisher
Besuited Chucky doll
Objectively horrible person
Toxic algae bloom
Noted orangémon
A man whose head firmly resembles a lone radioactive testicle sealed in a jar of formaldehyde
The contents of a dumpster behind a Roll N Roaster
Doritos Spicy Asbestos Flavor
A snot-flavored Jelly Bean gaining a frightening amount of power and influence
Malformed traffic cone
Decaying, hollowed-out tree trunk that is now housing a family of malnourished, furious possums
An enlarged brick of spittle-flecked Crisco sliding headlong towards the White House
Our favorite fascist wad of upchucked puréed carrots
Gold-tipped mucus plug
Melted Claymation villain
Unwashed fumigation tent
What happens when a GOP-leaning member of mutant gang in The Hills Have Eyes has a wet dream
An eggroll to which someone has wastefully glued a hairpiece
One of those piles of sand by a highway
A golden goose so loved by God he was transformed into a human man, only the Lord got tired midway through and paused for rest, never to resume
Moldering Cheez-It
A hunk of beef jerky that rolls under the couch and is left there to harden, becoming covered in dust and cat hair until a cockroach takes it back to its lair and makes it his wife
Actually three bigoted baby Muppets stacked on top of one another
Half-melted pile of candy corn from Halloween ‘83
An angry ghost
Giant mound of hardened Cheez Whiz
A smushed up caterpillar your 6-year-old brother set on fire with a magnifying glass
Rotten kabocha squash
This is our proudest and most monstrous achievement, and we thank you for being a part of it.

(Jeez, sorry, got a little excited there, my bad)

there's something really awesome (in the old-fashioned sense) about that list :)

A stat I learned tonight: Dems have never won college educated whites! Really? Wow.

http://www.salon.com/2016/11/08/donald-trump-may-be-toast-location-data-analysis-suggests-high-black-and-latino-turnout-propelling-hillary-clinton-to-victory/

"About our Methodology: Leveraging its proprietary intelligence platform and data collection methodology, Cuebiq will be analyzing and measuring turnout on Election Day in polling stations for 13 swing states in real time. Via anonymized geo-behavioral and census data, Cuebiq will be determining likely political party affiliation for the voters at the polls."

http://www.cuebiq.com/election-day/

I voted against the "State of New Columbia" statehood ballot measure - which would have done nothing other than present a proposal to the City Council, which they can't really do anything with other than vote to let our DC rep present it to Congress will it will immediately die - but my rationale (other than "stop wasting people's time") is that the REAL solution is to combine all five permanently inhabited territories and the District into one new state-like thing, with voting representation and electoral votes for all six but treated as one. So this means we would probably always be represented by Puerto Ricans but at least we'd have SOMEBODY and this also solves the electors issue. I'm right and the DC statehood people are myopic and wrong and selfish.

A stat I learned tonight: Dems have never won college educated whites! Really? Wow.

White people are hella racist

there was some weird symbolic and futile ballot initiative in ca too - https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_59,_Overturn_of_Citizens_United_Act_Advisory_Question_(2016)

they're not really fucked up dude

― F♯ A♯ (∞)

well maybe it was a shitty article. who knows. internet, right?

― xiphoid beetlebum (rushomancy), Tuesday, November 8, 2016 3:04 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i don't mind sharing what i know on the subject in a different thread if you're ever interested

but the most "fucked up" thing was probably that they had to pledge allegiance to kim il sung and kim jong il in song, which most kids who went to that type of school have already forgotten they even ever did that. it's generally taught that kim il sung was a great leader and started off north korea in a glorious path, which can arguably be right. it gets messed up in the 90s, when dogma was covering up kim jong il's crimes, but japan defunded them and they're pretty much obsolete, though they still exist. the people who lost their jobs were very affected by it, and by no means were kim jong il sympathizers, but most zainichi north koreans still think kim il sung was the only great leader north korea ever had. also, some families pulled their kids out of specific schools because they didn't like the curriculum, and families stopped having pictures of both leaders in their homes a really long time ago

If the legacy of Trump's campaign was to kick off a new era powered by greater black and Latino turnouts that would be amazing

xp i generally like reading your posts although i don't have a lot to comment on them since i get everything third-hand. :)

i'm around zainichi north koreans a lot so

thanks man

there's something really awesome (in the old-fashioned sense) about that list :)

― wizzz! (amateurist),

no its as laboured as every. trump. impersonation. in every one of these threads

xpost

Why wouldn't you vote for the soda tax? Diabetes and associated metabolic syndrome is becoming a huge problem, I actually had a friend in SF who had type 2 diabetes since he was a teenager. My understanding is that the soda tax in Mexico provided significant public health benefits. I could be wrong tho.

― viborg, Tuesday, November 8, 2016 1:56 PM (one hour ago)

why I'm not voting for the Oakland soda tax
1. it's a regressive tax, even though it's written as a tax on the soda companies, there's nothing that prevents them from passing it on to stores, and then to customers. And they will do this because they suck, but it will still suck for stores and restaurants and their customers.

2. it's poorly designed. They don't have plans or anything concrete for what they will do with the money, except establish a commission that will then determine the best way of spending it on vague goals. Knowing Oakland, it will involve a bunch of well-meaning ineffectual gestures like bus ads and banners on city halls and pathetically attended health and wellness fairs in public parks. If they were to have taken the money and put it into public hospitals like that big sales tax hike we had a few years back, I would have considered voting yes on it, especially if it meant reducing the sales tax, which is already 2nd highest in the state. I think San Leandro "wins" at 10%.

3. the "small business exemption" is capped at $100,000 in gross annual sales. That's probably not applicable to any food/grocery retail/restaurant in the city. Maybe a food truck or something would make less than that. Any physical storefront would most likely not be in business because they'd be unable to pay basic operating costs.

4. gross thinly veiled racism and nanny state self-righteousness from some proponents. "We should not be burdened with the costs of taking care of ~those people~ and their poor choices, so we should tax them."

thanks for that, good arguments

https://twitter.com/TheStalwart/status/796121916042080256?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

no its as laboured as every. trump. impersonation. in every one of these threads

it's

:)

for ppl who want a somewhat recent votecastr update (in link form to spare those who don't): http://media.fyre.co/xwD0bvGvTpqGyq4OQqBF_Votes%20Ahead%20Key%20States.jpg

jesus, FLA

it's

:)

Cue the Sousa!

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-azusa-shooting-injuries-20161108-story.html

ur a good poster amateurist imma let yr nannyish correction slide this one time

still, excited to vote for gun control, continuing to tax the rich, and re-allowed bilingual education at the state level; improved police oversight and rent control at the local level.

uk ppl is sky news my best option tonight

wait a minute im online

whats the best option here guys

Here

this thread is a better option than any uk tv coverage which will all suck beyond belief

bed.

Good luck Aleppo. xp

Andrew Neil is doing the BBC coverage...so not that

xxp deems - depends how invested you are in the results of the competing California propositions about plastic bags and ... executions.

id considered bed but balancing ilxing until 2am i wasnt ready to give up on marriage just yet thanks

xp hot damn!

i dunno i'm stuck w a basic cable box in france where the only options are cnn, al-jazeera (in arabic) bbc world and lol french tv

according to twitter one person might be dead at the polling place in azusa

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-azusa-shooting-injuries-20161108-story.html

JFC

this is the shit we were all worried about. just awful. great way to protect democracy and the integrity of elections. fuck this bullshit. no guns for nobody.

Aw fuck

nothing on TV yet here about this

i dunno i'm stuck w a basic cable box in france where the only options are cnn, al-jazeera (in arabic) bbc world and lol french tv

Regular CNN or CNN Intl? I'd just go with Al-Jazeera

Cspan is streaming their coverage, right? Twitch probably has a deal with somebody on their site too

wonder how the shooter voted on the gun control ballot measure.

Not funny

CNN Intl but I think they're using domestic feed - Tapper, Cooper, King, Blitzer etc

dude I don't speak Arabic!! sadly

anybody streaming on YouTube? I can get YT

goddammit

xp

There's nothing confirmed that this was polling place-related, right? The daily odds of gun violence being such that a shooting has a non-zero chance of happening today, and the distribution of polling sites near population centers would/could up that proximity

it was at a polling place, and people are now being advised to avoid that polling place

hmm no wait you're right it was vaguer than that - reports just say it was near the polling station. not that that makes it any better

my liveblog of channels i get continues

apparently i get NBC in SD. i can just make out that they're calling the Rockefeller Center skating rink "Democracy Plaza" smh

but the studio is the goddamn DECISION ZONE

wait you're in SoDak I thought you lived in France, why in god's name would you trade

wha no my guy I'm in Bordeaux

why they have NBC here is beyond me

i turned on the nightly news for about 30 seconds, then remembered that my blood boils when i hear that orange motherfucker speak. so i guess it's going to be the internet (with auto-play turned OFF) all evening.

dmac and everyone else(?)

push come to shove use reddit's live stream: https://www.reddit.com/live/xw7ya3zdewzc/

gathers a bunch of different sources, but it's all tweets right now

or other options here: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/5bvxrs/cable_cutters_cnn_is_streaming_election_coverage/

Evan Bayh why are you so useless

oh ha i understood "SD" as south dakota, not what i realize now is "standard def"

nerves are a lil jangly welp time for another beer

maybe i should just refresh r/The_Donald all night

or prob starting at 10pm

Lol

Gbx is Bordeaux experiencing a red hot oil boom??? That's my question for u

(My ppl all come from so dak but I'd rather live in any part of France)

Oh wait n dak is getting all the oil action aren't they

haha yes

after enough cold brews everything will be in SD tonight, that is my goal

i live by a hospital, so i should be used to this, but given the tension i'm getting anxious every time i hear a siren outside. :(

I hope Trump is hounded to the end of his days for any election-related violence that goes down today.

Watching 9 To 5 atm. Much better than CNN election coverage imo.

in other news, pennsylvania's senator is a lily-livered coward and a piece of shit too

https://twitter.com/lauraolson/status/796138213740072960

lol: https://twitter.com/SeanTrende

So, Trump has Indiana & Kentucky... Hillary has Vermont?

fr the nyt's live chat is dece http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/elections/trump-clinton-election-night-live.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=d-hp-live-chat-promo&module=span-abc-region®ion=span-abc-region&WT.nav=span-abc-region

Georgia too close to call!

ok i'm baked, have my pizza, and i'm ready to watch this. what's the best channel to watch?

hillary has vermont and it was all my doing

operative election conditions imho. xp

aside https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/796142894625263616

pizza, that's a good idea.

darragh https://medium.com/@casualsheets/which-election-livestream-should-you-watch-a-guide-for-multiple-tastes-and-temperaments-be7bd75df586#.cnnglp6tw

my pizza's taking a while to get here, must be a lot of people on the same plan

wow I love how MSNBC keeps having Giuliani on

i'm thinking tacos.

very very belated many xps etc but re: Florida Cubans. that story about Trump violating the embargo wouldn't have played well with them, right?

i am making pizza with my friends!

I'm eating last Friday's leftover pizza because I'm smart and planned #Aperol

wow I love how MSNBC keeps having Giuliani on

― flappy bird, Tuesday, November 8, 2016 7:17 PM (one minute ago)

I would too -- they're laughing at him

some earlyish prognostication: https://twitter.com/FrankLuntz/status/796124381890179073

FLA looks vv close right now and that's w/o broward, miami-dade, tampa, orlando...not sure if the latter two would lean dem though.

the times live thing is nuts

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/forecast/president

Trump 86k up in FL with 16% in, but nothing from Miami-Dade or Broward yet.

enten says current FL results look v good for hillary

Miami-Dade results start to trickle in, Trump statewide lead immediately wiped out

more enten

If you’re looking for ticket splitting, look no further than Florida. In the initial returns from the Jacksonville area, Marco Rubio in the Senate race is running 8 points ahead of where Trump is running in the presidential race. That’s good news for Republicans looking to hold that Senate seat.

sorry alfred :(

fuckin rubio

Warren Ellis in his characteristic tone:

https://mobile.twitter.com/warrenellis/status/796126524302835712

Warren Ellis
Warren Ellis – Verified account ‏@warrenellis

I so want to see Donald Trump crying as he cuts his sadness zombie cake and then vomit down on to his own candied faux hair
3:05 PM - 8 Nov 2016

the times live thing is nuts

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/forecast/president

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, November 8, 2016 6:22 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

why does it fluctuate in real time... whose idea was this

I can imagine a lot of republican women thinking trump is too revolting to vote for, but ticket splitting in favor of Rubio, who seems like such a nice young man.

a comedian/writer from israel i like said it best i think - have you noticed that all the mensches are voting against trump?

china's global times on the outcome:
http://www.globaltimes.cn/Portals/0/attachment/2016/2016-11-08/1fbf4025-a538-4c2d-ac8d-7579fd366388.jpeg

Accurate

trump i could see throwing rocks at a panda.. but not my hil.

lol pvmic china

um, TPM called west virginia for clinton?

that's /highly/ unlikely.

https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/796146808091185152

Ok we're making Aperol Spritz here as well. Trying not to freak out.

I want more Enten

CNN's got WVA for the hosebeast

why does it fluctuate in real time... whose idea was this

― 1staethyr, Tuesday, November 8, 2016 7:28 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's a nice trick to indicate uncertainty imo, but i don't think they're doing a good job of communicating that, since it seems like live per microsecond updates

love him or hate him (i go back and forth) enten is def breakout pundit star of the election

Fuckin rubio.

WVA was never ever going to Clinton. As competitive as Alabama. xxxp

exclusive footage from the near future

http://68.media.tumblr.com/d9813df203837919430836ccd0d3627d/tumblr_ogcmu64qG01qdmmiqo1_500.gif

who here has spent approx 15 total minutes already tonight rhythmically tapping the "You = Too Slow" message

where are you getting the Miami-Dade tally, Michael?

follow https://twitter.com/steveschale for FL updates

Rob Portman will keep his seat :(

I'm sticking with CNN for the live numbers. Well ahead of TPM and not prone to painting WV blue.

Who's Wolf's chart sidekick? Guy's on speed.

Trump now 125k up but barely a third of Palm Beach/Miami-Dade in and nothing from Broward

Tucker Carlson, still a haircut in search of a head and brain, said he's shocked the Hispanic vote isn't higher.

CNN are ... not including early voting?

either i've misunderstood something important or that's just gratuitously misleading

CNN showing NH numbers with barely 1% of the votes in. Come now.

Jonathan Swan Verified account
‏@jonathanvswan

Word I'm getting is that it's looking bad for Roy Blunt in Missouri.

Chuck Todd to James Carville: "James, what does Bill Clinton think of losing the Bubba vote?"

is it okay to admit that the closeness of the florida race is making me kinda anxious?

Good point about early voting - but...they are only counted today, right? We know what the affiliation of the early ballots were but not their contents.

hey! I'm the one in Miami-Dade!

<3 u alfred.

Word I'm getting is that it's looking bad for Roy Blunt in Missouri.

!!!

CNN chart guy sounds exactly like Seinfeld's Steinbrenner

is there any reason to be nervous about FL? everything i hear seems to be that hillary is doing as well or better than needed

CNN maps are spooky

Depending on where I look, some forecasts have trump up - i think as the results continue to come in i will be able to relax.

way too early. the Panhandle hasn't stopped voting yet

CNN is making me too anxious to watch...fortunately I have a Leafs game to alternate my viewing attention. And a brand new bottle of Tanqueray Rangpur.

So did slate finally ditch their vote tracker thingy?

i can't help laughing at john king for the zing trump laid on him in that debate about "still working the monitor" or something

So weird that HRC and Trump are watching the results across the street from each other (HRC in the Peninsula, Trump in Trump Tower).

y'all should be watching ABC not CNN

CNN is like 538 without the numbers, i.e. febrile

if trump losing florida he's basically done and it's looking like he's going to lose florida

The entire FL panhandle will go red, but Escambia+Santa Rosa+Okaloosa+Walton+Holmes+Washington+Bay+Jackson+Calhoun margins probably < what's still to come in from Miami-Dade+Broward+Palm Beach

this might sound tokenism or racially weird or whatever but thank god for latin americans saving this fucking idiot country from itself

that should probably be latino americans right to distinguish from latin america / south america?

latinx is what people are using nowadays because latin@ didn't catch on

can't deal with listening to tv people talk and the scrolling crap. new york times map is pleasant.

Duckworth wins!

oh what a nice shade of blue Mass, Maryland, and Jersey just became.

xp to mordy. such sentiments are understandable in the heat of an election day, but yes, they are weird. everyone who votes is as much a part of the country as anyone else, so you're partly crediting them with saving themselves from themselves.

well and basically everyone but white men

i'm crediting them with saving all of us from the delusions of white men, yes, that's what i mean

The NYT tracker seems to update every 15 seconds if anyone is wondering. The jiggling really bugs me. If the point of it is to show uncertainty the color coded range in the background already does it much better and without being misleading.

Jason Kander looking extremely strong apparently

Back from the gym. Let's do this yall

Watching PBS over here, nice and sober coverage

Hillary is cruuuuuushing it in florida (knocks on wood)

but yes if the story of this election, and the lesson learned is, "latinos, black people and women swung it" then that will be very very pleasing and almost makes up for the nightmarish sentiments that trump and his enablers have attempted to make respectable

john king just accidentally called hillary "the president"

UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

MSNBC predicts Marco Rubio as winner

rubio projected winner ugghhhhh

Do we not like the Washington Post results map? Genuine question, not sure if there is background I should be aware of.

he literally doesn't even want to be a senator

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwyDdcPUkAAAJMp.jpg

Duckworth projected winner

Early days, but Clinton up 810k-672k in OH. No results yet from an eastern corridor of counties, but they were close counties last time, not deep red.

Xp Mordy I'm Latino / Latin American and have been telling my friends all along that we would having to save this country from itself . Only half joking

NYT color changing is weird, Texas just went light blue

FL is within 11,000 votes with 85% in

Add a "be" to complete sentence duh

nyt currently has oh for clinton (just) and fl for trump which would be lol

TX back to red, all'r right with the world.

Florida is literally in a death match.

FUCKING FLORIDA

That's what happens when lebron moves to Cleveland

seems like very little palm beach accounting tho?

lol poor john king keeps trying to explain what the vote means and wolff keeps yelling over him every time another 500 votes come in

John King is such a pro with those maps of his. So granular

https://twitter.com/benswasey/status/796160113107202048

In Florida, right now:

Johnson + Stein = 226,000

Difference between Clinton and Trump = 4,280

601k votes in Palm Beach in '12, we've had 427k in so far tonight. Clinton should gain another 35k there.

anyone watching giuliani on abc? he's drunk.

texas blue again lol

...but nothing from Okaloosa and she'll likely lose that by 50k votes. Yeah, close...

https://twitter.com/benswasey/status/796160113107202048

In Florida, right now:

Johnson + Stein = 226,000

Difference between Clinton and Trump = 4,280

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, November 8, 2016 8:21 PM (thirty seconds ago

well now we know for sure that undecideds don't matter because bayesian

Sky News sticking Kay Burley in a bar in New York and getting her to interview its sarcastic and supercilious patrons, most of whom are drunk and none of whom want to be interviewed, was not a great idea. Anything with Kay Burley in it is not a good idea mind you.

FL on NYT had a 20 vote difference last I checked

But Palm Beach and Broward counties aren't close to counting live votes.

bayh is done fuck

Ok I'm starting to freak out a bit over Florida, he seems to be doing ok in the Midwest as well

it looks like there are a lot of hillary votes still out there in FL

finished pizza, making dark n stormys now

At my Cleveland precinct I heard voter after votereading basically say "make sure my vote is counted, I don't want that goddamned Trump winning."

Ok I'm starting to freak out a bit over Florida, he seems to be doing ok in the Midwest as well

― frogbs, Tuesday, November 8, 2016 8:26 PM

lol posts very much in character

predictwise up to 93% clinton

Broward and Palm Beach still relying on early voting, Miami-Dade still has 20 percent of vote to count -- three of the state's most populous counties.

florida isn't all-important unless trump wins ohio, PA, and NC right?

Oh ok thought those were all counted
Feeling a bit less nervous now

Still, I would prefer she wins it.

I sooooo want to start drinking (more), but I need to pick up my daughter at gymnastics in an hour. But after that ... drinking!

True, but if Clinton wins FL, it's over

xp

right, trump pretty much has to sweep ohio, fl and pa if other states go as expected

(he is going to lose PA)

Just a reminder, Clinton doesn't need to win Florida at all. As long as New Hampshire and Pennsylvania goes to her, she's safe, and they're looking good so far.

Alan Rappeport
Reporter

8:27 PM ET
Exit polls are suggesting that Ohio, which also closed before 8 p.m., could be closer than expected because of a rush of late-deciding voters fleeing Trump.
He was looking solid there in a lot of late polls.

(strokes non existent beard)

lol mississippi briefly shaded blue, this map widget is a riot

the nice thing about clinton winning FL is that all we need to hear is PA (and maybe NH) and go to bed early

http://i.imgur.com/fAbS58E.png

maddening

Surely without NC and OH even a FL win would be useless for Trump. This is p much over for him.

correct

nothing from broward iirc

what. where is that chart from?

well no shocker there they're calling the HOR for the GOP goodie :/

Mordy
Posted: 9 November 2016 at 02:31:15
the nice thing about clinton winning FL is that all we need to hear is PA (and maybe NH) and go to bed early

yes it is 2:32am here

Broward County vote just early votes tabulated.

only race I really care about tbh

http://results.vote.wa.gov/results/20161108/king/Breakdown-113817.html

where are you seeing FL called for hillary?

bayh loses

bye bayh

maybe now he can go away forever!

it's a blow for the dems but seriously fuck evan bayh

I never predicted he'd win

what are the close must-win races left for the senate?

NH

PA

If Broward numbers are just early ballots then there's a lot of them - over 700k. There were only 757k votes total in Broward in 2012.

missouri, nevada, PA, WI, the vice presidency

those 4 + NH and they take still the senate iirc

You guys are giving me very mixed signals about florida I'm very confused

it's very close but at least one of the very large democratic counties hasn't reported yet

well, we're no better than the punits

*pundits

i hate john king, and yes trump's dis made me laugh, but dawg i have never seen a map used and explained with this level of effortless explanatory fluency KUDOS TO YOU JOHN KING

yes he's been shockingly good!

trump became favourite to win FL on the betting markets and NYT ~30 mins ago

Jon King's county by county breakdown has long been the only element to watch CNN for.

fl leaning to trump atm

my gf's family is here and they keep listening to every single fucking update and moaning or cheering. like every 45 seconds.

really too bad - it looked so promising

House of Rep will stay red, so say ABC and NBC.

like they were just cussing about FLA and just realized that MIA-Dade etc hadn't reported yet

not much of a surprise, dems should get some pickups

xp

2020 race starts thursday guys!

Ohio Gov. John Kasich, Stalwart Never-Trumper, Plans DC Speech For Thursday

the smaller the R margin the more likely they are to have some sort of hilarious leadership fracas

NBC is saying Virginia is in play? Fuck

Not looking good in Michigan, yikes

billie jean king, bless her heart, is telling a really, really long story on ABC news rn

I just can't believe some of these states are as close as they are. So dispiriting, even if Clinton wins.

who is this rubio kid he seems like a future contender

the idea that twice as many people in Indiana voted for Donald Trump as for Hillary Clinton is fucking insane

only 3% of michigan is in, i'm not worried yet

NBC is saying Virginia is in play? Fuck

― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, November 8, 2016 8:47 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

north VA is where all the uncounted votes are, don't let NBC play with your heart

i don't get people calling NC and OH for clinton though

Virginia is not in play, NoVA suburbs still to come

a million votes still not counted in Florida

Ahhh cool

Still 400k votes to come in in Fairfax, VA, which HRC will probably win by 20pts. And the exit polls broke strongly for Hillary. VA should be ok, despite the Trump lead.

Went to vote around 7:20 this morning, and the lines were already getting long. I didn't have to wait at all when I voted in the primary earlier this year. By the time I left, the lines were out the door and down the block. Our town uses electronic voting machines, which are nice but they don't have enough of them. I was in line about 40 minutes waiting to use one particular machine. If you've read the sample ballot and have used the machine before, it should take no more than 30 seconds, so it was frustrating to watch people stand in there for minutes, silently trying to figure out how to use the damn thing, before asking someone for help. Oh well, it's a small price to pay for a functioning democracy, I guess.