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Empire’s top ten movies of 2016

Hunt for the Wilderpeople
Arrival
Hell or High Water
Captain America: Civil War
Victoria
The Hateful Eight
Kubo And the Two Strings
The Revenant
Spotlight
Green Room

WB Eric

ERIC

I'm going to miss a 4:30 pm screening of FENCES today.

tbh I'm just reasserting my desire to run the Bjork and Badu ballot polls in the near future

sad lol I've seen like eight movies this year

In addition to ILX, I kinda took a break from movies in '16.

Here's a start;

https://www.theguardian.com/film/filmblog/2016/nov/28/and-the-braddie-goes-to-peter-bradshaws-pick-of-the-year-in-film

I can't take seriously any list with Nocturnal Animals on it

I can't take seriously any list with Nocturnal Animals Peter Bradshaw on it

I've only seen about 5 2016 movies in 2016, but Victoria was one of them and it was excellent.

Victoria is from early 2015 ;) But yeah, it's good. The photographer behind that insane shot, Sturla Brandth Grøvlen, is Norwegian, educated in Copenhagen, and has already done Icelandic prizewinners Rams and Heartstone and Danish horror film Shelley. Every one of them looks absolutely gorgeous.

i look forward to losing track of this thread within a week and having it as a current bookmark until the end of time

Rams and Victoria (2016 UK release) were both pretty great. I went into Victoria expecting it to treat its lead poorly, and it kind of did, but I found it gripping and impressive despite that. My friend said of it that she couldn't believe Victoria was literally incapable of defying the what the men told her to do.

I'm about to start filling in the gaps of everything I've missed. Is there anything people have in mind as maybe being overlooked by most from this year? I'd recommend Papusza if you missed it. A slow-burning biopic about the famous gypsy poet, but it's stayed with me longer than a lot of films this year.

A Quiet Passion is the biggest surprise, and probably best film of the year. So that, one, I guess, but I don't know if it's out in the UK.

Looks like it was released here at LFF, but doesn't seem to have surfaced in cinemas yet. Sounds exciting though, I'll definitely keep an eye out for it.

Cahiers' top 10:

Toni Erdmann (Maren Ade)
Elle (Paul Verhoeven)
The Neon Demon (Nicolas Winding Refn)
Aquarius (Kleber Mendonça Filho)
Slack Bay (Bruno Dumont)
Julieta (Pedro Almodóvar)
Staying Vertical (Alain Guiraudie)
La Loi de la jungle (Antonin Peretjatko)
Carol (Todd Haynes)
Le bois dont les rêves sont faits (Claire Simon)

https://thefilmstage.com/news/cahiers-du-cinemas-top-10-films-of-2016-includes-toni-erdmann-elle-and-the-neon-demon/

Or maybe not:

https://twitter.com/cahierscinema/status/803626977781391361

y'know I liked Elle but I think its ranking in the Sklant Verhoeven list was about right

lol *Slant

Most Verhoeven enthusiasts I'm aware of say the same.

Good on him for making a not-bad "restrained" late-career movie though - those are usually much more dismal propositions. And I'm hoping Huppert delivers her accpetance speech in character if she (deservedly) takes Best Actress.

I don't think anything will top Green Room for me this year, but only because I've been longing for a great punk movie since Ex-Drummer (or even Hard Core Logo).

the idea of Huppert getting any awards traction is so bizarre and thrilling that I'd rather think some more about a Trump presidency to sober me.

I count 15 new movies I've seen this year. Moonlight, Embrace of the Serpent, and Green Room probably the highlights. Zootopia was the only blockbuster I really liked.

NAT'L BOARD OF REVIEW

Film: Manchester By the Sea
Director: Barry Jenkins, Moonlight
Actor: Casey Affleck, Manchester By the Sea
Actress: Amy Adams, Arrival
Supporting Actor: Jeff Bridges, Hell or High Water
Supporting Actress: Naomie Harris, Moonlight
Original Screenplay: Kenneth Lonergan, Manchester By the Sea
Adapted Screenplay: Jay Cocks and Martin Scorsese, Silence
Animated Feature: Kubo and the Two Strings
Breakthrough Performance (Male): Lucas Hedges, Manchester By the Sea
Breakthrough Performance (Female): Royalty Hightower, The Fits
Directorial Debut: Trey Edward Shults, Krisha
Foreign Language Film: The Salesman
Documentary: O.J.: Made in America
Ensemble: Hidden Figures
Spotlight Award: Creative Collaboration of Peter Berg and Mark Wahlberg
NBR Freedom of Expression Award: Cameraperson

Top Films
Arrival
Hacksaw Ridge
Hail, Caesar!
Hell or High Water
Hidden Figures
La La Land
Moonlight
Patriots Day
Silence
Sully

Top 5 Foreign Language Films
Elle
The Handmaiden
Julieta
Land of Mine
Neruda

Top 5 Documentaries
De Palma
The Eagle Huntress
Gleason
Life, Animated
Miss Sharon Jones!

Top 10 Independent Films
20th Century Women
Captain Fantastic
Creative Control
Eye in the Sky
The Fits
Green Room
Hello, My Name is Doris
Krisha
Morris from America
Sing Street

Taking that I align with the NBoR for both best film and best doc as a sign I need to quit this whole game.

Impressed they found room for both Patriot's Day and Hacksaw Ridge in there.

Actress: Amy Adams, Arrival

booooo (note: I have not seen Arrival)

I was thinking of going to Eagle Huntress tonight. Anyone seen it?

Film: Manchester By the Sea
Director: Barry Jenkins, Moonlight
Actor: Casey Affleck, Manchester By the Sea
Actress: Amy Adams, Arrival
Supporting Actor: Jeff Bridges, Hell or High Water
Supporting Actress: Naomie Harris, Moonlight

^^ wow. I got no major problems with them.

I'm not fond of Arrival but she's not disgraceful.

Most Verhoeven enthusiasts I'm aware of say the same.

And by "Verhoeven enthusiasts" I'm guessing you meannnnnnn... "Showgirls nitwits"?

Elle is a class above evrything else I've seen by him. Frederik is still a nudnik though.

NYFCC starting in 10 min...

Here we go!

Let's see to what degree Moonlight dominates.

Silence is the wild card. NYFCC's love for Scorsese in the past has been pretty spotty.

It begins.

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR: Mahershala Ali for "Moonlight"

aw – I was hoping for André Holland

BEST ACTOR: Casey Affleck for "Manchester By The Sea"

He's more or less undefeated, as it were, so far this season.

BEST ANIMATED FILM: Zootopia

2016. America.

lol, oh for cute, the Broadcast Film Critics Association are announcing their nominees simultaneously

nothing offensive so far

They picked Affleck in a comparative heartbeat compared to whatever's holding them up now.

OK, maybe they spent all that time debating whether or not it's TV or film ...

BEST DOCUMENTARY: "O.J.: Made in America

it's TV btw

My natural do-not-give-a-shittism is augmented by the fact that i haven't even "finished" 2015, cuz why should i?

the OJ and DuVernay docs are two of the most incisive things I've seen all year and will probably make a list next year, teevee or not

Meanwhile, the greatest:

https://www.artforum.com/inprint/issue=201610&id=64773

"The funniest dog movie since Godard’s Goodbye to Language."

"Isabelle Huppert and the fattest Gérard Depardieu you’ve ever seen"

if any org lists my fave of '16 (NYC, spring) so far, yell bingo

http://letterboxd.com/film/the-other-side-2015/

EVERYBODY WANTS SOME!! (Richard Linklater) The best accidentally gay movie ever made by a known heterosexual director features the most talented and sexy ensemble cast of the last decade.

well i've never heard of 4 of JW's

have seen a fat-nuff GD, so no thanks, John

The Guardian's headline: "Drunk and nude in the desert with Gérard Depardieu"

why is it taking the Circle so long to pick Isabelle Huppert

even Rex Reed loved Huppert. so maybe he's in the bathroom.

https://twitter.com/certified_ed/status/804353272391802880

BEST FOREIGN LANGUAGE FILM: "Toni Erdmann"

well, they aligned with 1/3 of Cahiers du cinéma's troika.

People I love and trust went nuts for that movie but it looks insufferable.

the erstwhile KJB found it overrated

It's both overrated and one of the only good things I've seen this year.

@NickPinkerton
Conclusions: There were several good movies released this year, as well as maybe a half-dozen strong contenders for Worst Movie Ever Made

it was ever thus

BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY: James Laxton for "Moonlight"

are we sure that Laxton award isn't a share for his work on Yoga Hosers?

Eric H in the house!

I've been a Lonergan evangelist for years IRL to absolutely no avail, but his new one seems to be catching on judging by the multiple people who've surprisingly brought it up in conversation lately.

I presumed, falsely, that Yoga Hosers was a Morbsism for something like, I dunno, The Neon Bible.

hahaha

On that JW list, I'm curious about Tickled, mostly because it keeps coming up on Tom Scharpling's show. It sounds...deeply uncomfortable.

Also, I just realized that I forgot to PVR Roar when TCM aired it recently. Expecting far more of an intriguing novelty than an actual good film anyway.

BEST SCREENPLAY: Kenneth Lonergan for "Manchester by the Sea"

Manchester is the first Lonergan film where the directing might be underrated.

Manchester is the 2016 thing that I'm most excited about by far. I hope it doesn't get overhyped by the time I get to it.

xp a la James Gray

Manchester is the 2016 thing that I'm most excited about by far. I hope it doesn't get overhyped by the time I get to it.

― rhymes with "blondie blast" (cryptosicko),

As good as Margaret and without Anna Paquin – an evolutionary advance.

Was thinking about how Manchester is exactly the sort of movie Mark Harris goes to the mat for when vanguards start going "let's not get carried away here people," and voila:

http://www.filmcomment.com/blog/film-comment-podcast-tearjerkers-manchester-sea/

On Toni Erdmann, which I hadn't heard of until today (though I've seen Everyone Else), I'm having trouble reconciling these two things:

Without a warning a father comes to visit his daughter abroad. He believes that she lost her humor and therefore surprises her with a rampage of jokes.

162 mins

He believes that she lost her humor and therefore surprises her with a rampage of jokes.

ILX in a nutshell

KJB also found Manchester overrated

The Love Witch, otoh, justified my initial enthusiasm for Viva.

KJB also found Manchester overrated

― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius),

We had this discussion on his FB wall. He loved it, which shows how useless "overrated" is as taxonomy.

Manchester's a better film than Moonlight, but I understand why the latter's beloved.

Something in that statement, which I agree with fwiw, makes me uncomfortable.

BEST FIRST FILM: (TIE) "The Edge of Seventeen" and "Krisha"

you thought I'd written "...the latter's Beloved."

Toni Erdmann is absolutely great. And that it's a 162 min long comedy is just one of the paradoxical things that make it so good.

you know i see now that KJB's "serious reservations" were about Toni E, sorry, mea culpa

xxxxp

ok now im scared of it

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS: Michelle Williams for both "Manchester by the Sea" and "Certain Women"

How naked does Blake Jenner get in Eof17?

A bit of Miranda Richardson in DAMAGE re the first film.

Xpost

BEST ACTRESS: Isabelle Huppert for both "Elle" and "The Things to Come"

Of course.

BEST DIRECTOR: Barry Jenkins for "Moonlight"

I must say I do like the idea of Academy voters squirming through Elle.

Is that why Amy Adams will win the Oscar

LOL, this all went so spectacularly wrong at the last second. 2016, am I right?

BEST FILM: La La Land

no idea, i assumed that wd win in... LA!

friend of max's movie

lol wut xp

In the grand tradition of The Artist.

I like what you said about it on Letterboxd even better.

I liked La La Land OK but so many modern musicals are stuck between tradition and modernity.

And the completely modern ones (a la Once) suck even worse

And here are the Broadcast Critics Choice nominations. As usual I'd say the nominations race is wrapped up.

And, as usual, the critics groups most whorily vested in being accurate predictors for Oscar nods don't bother to wait for the Scorsese.

NY saw it, right

Don't go to Scorsese. Let Marty come to me, I always say.

anyway La La Land got the most electoral votes so that's that

(should be obv I was referring to the BFCA, not the NYFCC)

oh i know

i get the obvious and that's about it, like when you were here before.

Haven't been following awards season this year, but was just perusing some listenings and there are more movies I really want to see in the next few weeks/months than there have been in some time.

http://www.bfi.org.uk/best-films-2016?utm_content=buffer9eacd&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebookbfi&utm_campaign=buffer

http://reverseshot.org/reviews/entry/2285/jackie

(Portman) is, I hasten to add, singularly awful, though by virtue of the fact that the actress is attempting an impersonation of a dead celebrity with a highly recognizable speech pattern, she will automatically be catapulted into the awards season frontrunner shortlists, because of a popular tendency to confuse party-trick mimicry with great acting. Portman doesn’t bear much of a physical resemblance to the First Lady, but the technical aspects of her impression are more or less on the money—she gets the unusual cadences of Jackie’s speech, and most of her peculiar combination of boarding school elocution and mishmash mid-Atlantic phrasing, though speaking through her scrim of muzzy breathiness she sometimes strays closer to the pouty baby voice of Marilyn Monroe.

That Sight & Sound list is on the whole pretty pleasing and much stronger than last year's (from what I can tell at this stage). Agree that O.J can't really be considered a film though. I've nothing against TV, just so surprised to see it showing up on these lists. Apologies if I missed a whole debate.

Also I can't pretend I'm not nervous about Elle. No idea how those components can be grouped into something laudable, but everyone seems to like it so I'll try to reserve most of my judgement until I've actually seen it. These UK release dates are the worst.

i want an oral history on how film twitter decided on all-caps for movie titles

Nice S&S list - look forward to catching a bunch of those in 2017. Just in time for our own ballot. We doing that?

‏@LAFilmCritics
Best Production Design, Winner: Ryu Seong-hee, THE HANDMAIDEN.

Took them long enough.

Theres a lot of others in the mix, but this one's worth isolating:

Best Supporting Actress
Winner: Lily Gladstone, CERTAIN WOMEN

Best Documentary, Winner: I AM NOT YOUR NEGRO.
Best Documentary, Runner-Up: OJ: MADE IN AMERICA.

yay, fuck TV

@servingcinema
#LAFCA Awards Douglas Edwards Independent / Experimental Film Prize WINNER: The Illinois Parables.

^saw this a couple weeks ago, it's pretty good

Just watched it actually, and I'd say better than that, but it's a style I usually respond well to.

LA LA LAND has only so far managed a few runner-up positions. Fingers crossed.

Best Screenplay, Winner: Efthymis Filippou and Yorgos Lanthimos, THE LOBSTER.
Best Screenplay, Runner-Up: Kenneth Lonergan, MANCHESTER BY THE SEA.

(Circling back)

Best Supporting Actor, Winner: Mahershala Ali, MOONLIGHT.
Best Supporting Actor, Runner-Up: Issey Ogata, SILENCE.

(And I was wrong. LA LA LAND won best music.)

Best Actor, Winner: Adam Driver, PATERSON.
Best Actor, Runner-Up: Casey Affleck, MANCHESTER BY THE SEA.

Best Documentary, Winner: I AM NOT YOUR NEGRO.
Best Documentary, Runner-Up: OJ: MADE IN AMERICA.

― Ballistic: ILX vs. Sever (Eric H.), Sunday, December 4, 2016 3:07 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yay, fuck TV

― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius)

both are good, shut up

Preliminary congrats to Isabelle Huppert for sweeping the critics awards and then getting snubbed by Oscar.

Best Actress, Winner: Isabelle Huppert, ELLE and THINGS TO COME.
Best Actress, Runner-Up: Rebecca Hall, CHRISTINE.

the Driver award is the final impetus I needed to get me to the screening next Thursday

delighted by the Gladstone win

Whew, MOONLIGHT defeats LA LA LAND in picture/director.

Which means LA LA LAND is all set to win the Best Picture Oscar.

yup

https://www.bifa.film/awards/winners

Nice to see Hayley Squires winning Best Newcomer. She was something else in I,DB.

i don't contribute to Oscarcentric threads, bye

Atlanta:

BEST FILM – LA LA LAND

BEST DIRECTOR – Damien Chazelle, LA LA LAND

BEST ACTOR – Casey Affleck, MANCHESTER BY THE SEA

BEST ACTRESS – Annette Bening, 20TH CENTURY WOMEN

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR – Mahershala Ali, MOONLIGHT

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS – Lily Gladstone, CERTAIN WOMEN

BEST ENSEMBLE – Cast of AMERICAN HONEY

BEST ANIMATED FILM – KUBO AND THE TWO STRINGS

BEST DOCUMENTARY FILM – 13TH

BEST FOREIGN LANGUAGE FILM – TONI ERDMANN

BEST SCREENPLAY – Kenneth Lonergan, MANCHESTER BY THE SEA

BEST SCORE – Cliff Martinez, THE NEON DEMON

BEST SONG – “Drive It Like You Stole It” from SING STREET

BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY – Linus Sandgren, LA LA LAND

BEST EDITING – Tom Cross, LA LA LAND

BEST SCORE – Cliff Martinez, THE NEON DEMON

OK with this.

Scott Walker was robbed

lol at the ostensibly superior musical not winning best song

What are your problems with LLL, Eric? I liked it well enough but it proved vaporous. I don't remember the songs or the moves – I remember Stone and Gosling singing and dancing.

Lacking in charm and talent, which wouldn't be in itself a problem if the movie's entire thesis weren't that charm and talent will naturally find their reward in Hollywood.

I'm not among those offended by Gosling's co-opting of jazz culture/traditions, but damn is the movie condescending toward Stone's resistance.

(Just listened to Scott Walker and it's really strong work, tho I still don't want to see the movie.)

I will say that this looks like a slightly better-than-average awards season run, if only because La La Land looks like the only thing I'm dead set against seeing. Assuming the Jackie O biopic has been declared DOA, that is.

Lacking in charm and talent, which wouldn't be in itself a problem if the movie's entire thesis weren't that charm and talent will naturally find their reward in Hollywood.

― Ballistic: ILX vs. Sever (Eric H.), M

I was disappointed too that Gosling wasn't nude.

When even the BFCA can't find room for your prestige biopic slop in their best picture lineup, it's probably DOA, yes.

Then again, the surfeit of critics groups that can't have more than a half dozen people voting does sometimes portend unhappy resurrections:

D.C. CRITICS AWARDS
Best Film: La La Land
Best Director: Damien Chazelle, La La Land
Best Actor: Casey Affleck, Manchester by the Sea
Best Actress: Natalie Portman, Jackie
Best Supporting Actor: Mahershala Ali, Moonlight
Best Supporting Actress: Viola Davis, Fences
Best Acting Ensemble: Hell or High Water
Best Youth Performance: Lucas Hedges, Manchester by the Sea
Best Voice Performance: Liam Neeson, A Monster Calls
Best Motion Capture Performance: Mark Rylance, The BFG
Best Original Screenplay: Damien Chazelle, La La Land
Best Adapted Screenplay: Eric Heisserer (based on the Story "Story of Your Life" by Ted Chiang), Arrival
Best Animated Feature: Kubo and the Two Strings
Best Documentary: The 13th
Best Foreign Language Film: Elle
Best Production Design: David Wasco, Sandy Reynolds-Wasco, SDSA, La La Land
Best Cinematography: Linus Sandgren, SFS, La La Land
Best Editing: Tom Cross, ACE, La La Land
Best Original Score: Justin Hurwitz, La La Land
The Joe Barber Award for Best Portrayal of Washington, DC: Jackie

The Joe Barber Award for Best Portrayal of Washington, DC: Jackie

I debated whether to start a Jackie thread until I watched the screener on Saturday and felt like I needed a couple slugs of vodka.

It's that bad? Because I kinda like Larrain, and had hoped for something as good as El Club :(

I disliked The Club's last third intensely. Neruda was an admirable attempt to avoid biopic conventions, but it beached itself on voice-over.

Manchester by the Sea was really remarkable. Can't remember the last time a movie ended with the main character ended up in the same place emotionally. All the promo made it look like one of these "broken man learns to live again through the opportunity to be a parental figure" redemption stories, but Affleck's character remains just as broken at the end of the movie. It really earns its 137 minutes.

Yes, this entirely.

xpost sorry for my fucked up grammar up there, i also wanted to mention how that aspect of MBTS didn't hit me until a few hours after i saw it. it really hums afterwards, still thinking about it, more than i can say about most movies...

more critics groups should give an award to the old biddie at the beginning lump with horror at the thought of attending a niece's Bat Mitzvah ("I could slit my throat").

*at the beginning who's

haha yes! forgot about her.

Best Motion Capture Performance

Ha, only two nominees for this one.

Putting this here just becz it's where the ilx film crew is: nice expanded film component to next year's Big Ears fest.

http://bigearsfestival.com/expanded-film-programming-revealed/

Print issue of Sight and Sound now out. You can probably guess who wrote this in their year round-up: "...Zack Snyder is the only maker of 'popular' films has who as a vision and sensibility that stirs great feeling and profound thoughts."

are his initials CW by any chance

Had to see just how Arm0nd has been faring at Nat'l Review and ... I wan't disappointed.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/441280/moonlight-barry-jenkins-intersectionality-black-gay-character

Moonlight pleads for pity for a gay, black character, and pity is always for the weak.

wow

Jackie Reminds Us: Political Celebrities Once Had a Modicum of Self-Awareness
... And Wes Anderson, in his best new work in years, celebrates capitalism, briefly.

I mean, this is really terrific stuff!

http://www.bestmoviesbyfarr.com/static-assets/images/articles/background/2014/10/2-1popbni.jpg

everyone needs to calm down about Moonlight. it was good, nothing special. critics & the Academy are stoked that after losing The Birth of a Nation, they got another movie that checks even more boxes: gay, black, drugs, class, bullying...

are his initials CW by any chance

AW

I mean, as far as movies about young gay black protagonists I did prefer Being 17, referenced in the review; it's probably my film of the year. But...they have nothing in common.

Yes, I genuinely admire what AW smuggles into the obvious dismissals.

"Intersectionality is the new stereotyping" is such an Arm0nd phrase. He's a specialist in the incoherent sneer.

But is Moonlight’s Trayvon Martin–type martyrdom any better?

OK, I really must've missed something here.

I haven't seen Moonlight yet, but it strikes me that a one-sentence synopsis alone could land it awards...

Edelstein also krazy for Krisha, and LLL:

http://www.vulture.com/2016/12/10-best-movies-of-2016-and-6-more.html

Stone and Gosling and the set design deserve the phrase; it's the songs that leave me leh.

er praise

https://vimeo.com/194508152

Sight & Sound w/ Erdmann first... If there's a link to the individual ballots, i don't see it.

http://www.bfi.org.uk/best-films-2016

ok

"Check back later for all 163 contributors’ votes and comments, which will be published here very soon."

Moonlight nearly runs the table with NYT's critics. Too bad they don't vote in the NYFCC (still ... right?)

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/07/movies/the-best-movies-of-2016.html?_r=0

Manohla Dargis
1. No Home Movie
2. Toni Erdmann
3. Moonlight
4. O.J.: Made In America
5. My Golden Days
6. I Am Not Your Negro
7. Arrival
8. The Handmaiden
9. 13th
10. From The Notebook Of...

A. O. Scott
1. Moonlight
2. O.J.: Made In America
3. Toni Erdmann
4. Cameraperson
5. Aferim!
6. American Honey
7. Aquarius
8. Sausage Party
9. A Bigger Splash
10. Elle & Things To Come (Tie)

Stephen Holden
1. Moonlight
2. O.J.: Made In America
3. American Honey
4. Embrace Of The Serpent
5. Manchester By The Sea
6. Neon Bull
7. Fire At Sea
8. Elle
9. Aquarius
10. cheated with 11 films in one slot

lol @ ao scott sausage party

plz, that's a relief from the general boredom

Given the chance, I'd make a list with 10 films that end with an orgy sequence.

spoilers!

I didn't like it but good to see My Golden Days remembered. And Sonia Braga in Aquarius is as good as Huppert in Things to Come.

xp To be clear, I was describing Hacksaw Ridge.

you're thinking of the porn parody Ack, Saw Rim!

Having not seen it I'm sort of surprised the Robert Greene movie isn't getting more traction.

xp oh wait, it was Horny Erdmann

MoMA is having an all-day screening of O.J. soon, but i suspect a library DVD will do.

(i can drink some o.j. during the breaks)

I liked the OJ doc series but it would not be that hard to make a perfectly solid 3/3.5 hour theatrical cut.

i think that was done?

Possibly, I don't see any alternate edits on wiki or imdb tho

John Waters:
https://www.artforum.com/inprint/issue=201610&id=64773

I liked the OJ doc series but it would not be that hard to make a perfectly solid 3/3.5 hour theatrical cut.

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.),

would happily have watched a solid 9.5-hour cut. The first quarter, about O.J.'s early career, was a revelation to me, and the director made the insights pay off much later.

Tickled and Roar are on my to-watch list for sure. xp

Sausage Party was awesome

Hey, some Despleschin love. Not his best but I think it came and went without enough appreciation.

i liked it more than some of his more acclaimed stuff.

nice Elle still from S&S (nsfw)

Kings & Queen
Esther Kahn
A Christmas Tale
My Sex Life
My Golden Days

No complaints about Eric's ranking.

someone let me know when The Other Side shows up on any list.

telex or carrier pigeon?

homie express

http://letterboxd.com/diegosemerene/list/diego-semerenes-best-15-films-of-2016/

well, just barely!

Stephanie Zacharek's list.

AFI MOVIES OF THE YEAR

ARRIVAL
FENCES
HACKSAW RIDGE
HELL OR HIGH WATER
LA LA LAND
MANCHESTER BY THE SEA
MOONLIGHT
SILENCE
SULLY
ZOOTOPIA

This year, AFI also recognizes O.J.: MADE IN AMERICA with an AFI Special Award

Slant

http://www.slantmagazine.com/features/article/the-25-best-films-of-2016

http://www.slantmagazine.com/house/article/slants-top-25-films-of-2016

Thrilled we snuck Happy Hour into the top 5.

I really wish I liked it more... Mountains May Depart at #44 is a bit of a headshaker for me. But Carson Lund has The Other Side 2nd.

The new age workshop scene alone secured it a spot on my list.

(Also a little surprised at how low The Lobster was, but I didn't vote for it either so.)

new age workshop was def a sort of compartmentalized film-within

I have great affection for The Lobster, but it's not nearly as good as his Dogtooth (a previous Slant #1!)

I'm gonna hang fire but I prefer Huppert in Things to Come to Elle by a nose.

Bold of Slant to slot my least favorite Hong film just outside the top ten.

It would've been easier to sneak Happy Hour into the Slant top 5 if no one voted for an ESPN series.

The first quarter, about O.J.'s early career, was a revelation to me

Do you mean USC or The Towering Inferno?

I was obnoxiously disinterested in O.J. and his trial while it was going on and remain skeptical of its "importance." Cops are racist and money buys justice -- check, check.

mmm the documentary goes deeper than that, herr dokter, and I couldn't have told you the difference between Lance Ito and Kato Kaelin.

i'll watch it! sometime.

more interested in Rules Don't Apply tbqh

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/12/12/golden-globes-2017-nominations-list

Best Performance By an Actor in a Supporting Role in a Motion Picture
Aaron Taylor-Johnson, Nocturnal Animals

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyzHIFdUcAArbRX.jpg

I thought they'd go with Michael Shannon, who was fully clothed.

The Broadcast Film Critics Association winners. Eric's beloved LLL sweeps.

Already planning a trip to take during this year's Oscars.

Among unimportant GG minutiae, I def dig that they went with Simon Helberg for supporting actor over Hugh Grant. Couldn't figure out how Grant was the one from Florence getting Oscar bloggers' endorsement.

Oh duh, they put Grant in lead actor.

Also, I missed this until now:

Best Performance by an Actor in a Motion Picture, Musical, or Comedy
Jonah Hill, War Dogs

I didn't know anyone actually saw Vice: the Movie

Kind of amazed 'Finding Dory' got shut out of animation category. Kubo should win - it's animation was awesome.

Deadpool

Mel Gibson is BACK!

Tom Ford, respected director; the end is nigh.

I dunno, if I were a HFPA member, I'd get a little enjoyment voting for the guy who argued every straight man needs to take it up the duff, at the expense of voting for Mel.

Hauschka getting a nod is neat.

I dunno, if I were a HFPA member, I'd get a little enjoyment voting for the guy who argued every straight man needs to take it up the duff, at the expense of voting for Mel.

― Ballistic: ILX vs. Sever (Eric H.)

would've been better if this moment had happened while Ford was interviewing Mel Gibson.

championing a blithering idiot like Ford is the lowest form of identity politics.

His favorite movie is Dinner at Eight, too.

Was hoping Nocturnal Animals was going to be a footnote in cinematic history so I could avoid watching it.

isn't it still?

San Diego awards. I'm glad to see somebody mention Sonia Braga and Neruda.

Picture: HELL OR HIGH WATER Runner Up: LA LA LAND

Director: David Mackenzie, HELL OR HIGH WATER Runner Up: Damien Chazelle, LA LA LAND

Actor, Male: Casey Affleck, MANCHESTER BY THE SEA Runner Up: Viggo Mortensen, CAPTAIN FANTASTIC

Actor, Female: Sonia Braga, AQUARIUS Runner Up: Emma Stone, LA LA LAND

Supporting Actor, Male – Tied: Ben Foster, HELL OR HIGH WATER & Mahershala Ali, MOONLIGHT

Supporting Actor, Female: Michelle Williams, MANCHESTER BY THE SEA Runner Up: Judy Davis, THE DRESSMAKER

Comedic Performance: Ryan Gosling, THE NICE GUYS Runner up: Alden Ehrenreich, HAIL, CAESAR!

Ensemble: HELL OR HIGH WATER Runner Up: HIDDEN FIGURES

Breakthrough Artist: Lily Gladstone, CERTAIN WOMEN Runner Up: Lucas Hedges, MANCHESTER BY THE SEA

Original Screenplay: Taylor Sheridan, HELL OR HIGH WATER Runner Up: Efthimis Filippou, Yorgos Lanthimos, THE LOBSTER

Adapted Screenplay: Whit Stillman, LOVE & FRIENDSHIP Runner Up: Taika Waititi, HUNT FOR THE WILDERPEOPLE

Documentary: WEINER Runner Up: GLEASON

Animated Film: KUBO AND THE TWO STRINGS Runner Up: APRIL AND THE EXTRAORDINARY WORLD

Foreign Language Film: MOUNTAINS MAY DEPART Runners Up – Tied: MOTHER (EMA), NERUDA

Editing: Blu Murray, SULLY Runner Up: Joan Sobel, NOCTURNAL ANIMALS

Cinematography: Giles Nuttgens, HELL OR HIGH WATER Runners Up – Tied: James Laxton, MOONLIGHT, Linus Sandgren, LA LA LAND

Production Design: HAIL, CAESAR! Runner Up: LA LA LAND

Visual Effects: THE JUNGLE BOOK Runner Up: ARRIVAL

Costume Design: Mary Zophres, LA LA LAND Runner Up: Madeline Fontaine, JACKIE

Use of Music in a Film: SING STREET Runners Up – Tied: JACKIE, LA LA LAND

Body of Work: Michael Shannon – NOCTURNAL ANIMALS, MIDNIGHT SPECIAL, LOVING, ELVIS & NIXON

I endorse the surfeit of at-this-point-in-the-season anomalous and/or reactionary results.

Did the Oscar doc shortlist ever get mentioned upthread? Too lazy to scroll.

“13th”
“Cameraperson”
“Command and Control”
“The Eagle Huntress”
“Fire at Sea”
“Gleason”
“Hooligan Sparrow”
“I Am Not Your Negro”
“The Ivory Game”
“Life, Animated”
“O.J.: Made in America”
“Tower”
“Weiner”
“The Witness”
“Zero Days”

we have an Osc*r thread ya know

anyway

International Documentary Association Awards

BEST FEATURE

13th.
Cameraperson.
Fire at Sea.
I Am Not Your Negro.
O.J.: Made in America. (winner)
Weiner.

Career Achievement Award: Stanley Nelson.
Pioneer Award: Ally Derks.
Amicus Award: Norman and Lyn Lear.
Emerging Documentary Filmmaker Award: Nanfu Wang.

Best Cinematography: Gianfranco Rosi for Fire at Sea.
Best Editing: Nels Bangerter for Cameraperson.
Best Writing: James Baldwin and Raoul Peck for I Am Not Your Negro.
Best Music: Jacaszek for The Bad Kids.

https://www.fandor.com/keyframe/2016-ida-awards

here's a #1 i hadn't seen yet, from Richard Lawson of VF: The Meddler

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2016/12/best-movies-of-2016

Not sure I've seen Richard Brody's #1 at the same position on any other lists, either:

http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/the-best-movies-of-2016

wtf at Sully being mentioned in this thread at all, movie was a disaster, easily the worst thing i've seen all year. #1 pick for The Meddler is bizarre but understandable i guess

i consider Brody and Calum Marsh both praising Little Sister is what i might consider a warning.

so my probably placing it in a top fifteen should be your duck-under-the-table moment.

you like fewer indefensible films than those two...

My list is a proud basket of indefensibles.

Eric, this year's moniker is "deplorables."

Film Comment's top 20 (which, according today's podcast, is now determined strictly by Film Comment staffers, not the old pool of 80-odd contributors):

01. Toni Erdmann, Maren Ade, Germany
02. Moonlight, Barry Jenkins, USA
03. Elle, Paul Verhoeven, France/Germany
04. Cemetery of Splendor, Apichatpong Weerasethakul, Thailand/UK/France/Germany/Malaysia
05. Certain Women, Kelly Reichardt, USA
06. Paterson, Jim Jarmusch, USA
07. Manchester by the Sea, Kenneth Lonergan, USA
08. Aquarius, Kleber Mendonça Filho, Brazil/France
09. Things to Come, Mia Hansen-Løve, France/Germany
10. No Home Movie, Chantal Akerman, Belgium/France
11. The Lobster, Yorgos Lanthimos, France/Netherlands/Greece/UK
12. Right Now, Wrong Then, Hong Sangsoo, South Korea
13. Love & Friendship, Whit Stillman, Ireland/Netherlands/France/USA
14. Cameraperson, Kirsten Johnson, USA
15. Kaili Blues, Bi Gan, China
16. The Handmaiden, Park Chan-wook, South Korea
17. Everybody Wants Some!!, Richard Linklater, USA
18. The Fits, Anna Rose Holmer, USA
19. Neruda, Pablo Larraín, Chile/Argentina/France/Spain
20. The Other Side, Roberto Minervini, France/Italy

Film Comment; The Other Side at #20! Aquarius and Certain Women a little higher than i expected. xp

http://www.filmcomment.com/blog/best-films-of-2016/

v much liked #1 and 17 here

http://www.filmcomment.com/blog/best-undistributed-films-of-2016/

Look, Morbs: an The Other Side sighting!

And undistributed:

01. Sieranevada, Cristi Puiu, Romania
02. Hermia and Helena, Matías Piñeiro, USA/Argentina
03. Nocturama, Bertrand Bonello, France/Belgium/Germany
04. The Dreamed Path, Angela Schanelec, Germany
05. Yourself and Yours, Hong Sangsoo, South Korea
06. Kékszakállú, Gastón Solnicki, Argentina
07. By the Time It Gets Dark, Anocha Suwichakornpong, Thailand/Netherlands/France/Qatar
08. Scarred Hearts, Radu Jude, Romania/Germany
09. The Woman Who Left, Lav Diaz, Philippines
10. Austerlitz, Sergei Loznitsa, Germany
11. Tempestad, Tatiana Huezo, Mexico
12. The Rehearsal, Alison Maclean, New Zealand
13. Safari, Ulrich Seidl, Austria/Denmark
14. Everything Else, Natalia Almada, Mexico
15. All the Cities of the North, Dane Komljen, Serbia/Bosnia-Herzegovina/Montenegro
16. Happy Times Will Come Soon, Alessandro Comodin, Italy
17. Dawson City: Frozen Time, Bill Morrison, USA
18. Suite Armoricaine, Pascale Breton, France
19. Women Who Kill, Ingrid Jungermann, USA
20. Le Parc, Damien Manivel, France

xp et al

SAG nominations:

Outstanding Performance by a Male Actor in a Leading Role
CASEY AFFLECK / Lee Chandler – “MANCHESTER BY THE SEA” (Amazon Studios and Roadside Attractions)
ANDREW GARFIELD / Desmond Doss – “HACKSAW RIDGE” (Lionsgate)
RYAN GOSLING / Sebastian –“LA LA LAND” (Lionsgate)
VIGGO MORTENSEN / Ben – “CAPTAIN FANTASTIC” (Bleecker Street)
DENZEL WASHINGTON / Troy Maxson – “FENCES” (Paramount Pictures)

Outstanding Performance by a Female Actor in a Leading Role
AMY ADAMS / Louise Banks – “ARRIVAL” (Paramount Pictures)
EMILY BLUNT / Rachel – “THE GIRL ON THE TRAIN” (Universal Pictures)
NATALIE PORTMAN / Jackie Kennedy – “JACKIE” (Fox Searchlight Pictures)
EMMA STONE / Mia – “LA LA LAND” (Lionsgate)
MERYL STREEP / Florence Foster Jenkins – “FLORENCE FOSTER JENKINS” (Paramount Pictures)

Outstanding Performance by a Male Actor in a Supporting Role
MAHERSHALA ALI / Juan – “MOONLIGHT” (A24)
JEFF BRIDGES / Marcus Hamilton – “HELL OR HIGH WATER” (CBS Films)
HUGH GRANT / St Clair Bayfield – “FLORENCE FOSTER JENKINS” (Paramount Pictures)
LUCAS HEDGES / Patrick Chandler – “MANCHESTER BY THE SEA” (Amazon Studios and Roadside Attractions)
DEV PATEL / Saroo Brierley – “LION” (The Weinstein Company)

Outstanding Performance by a Female Actor in a Supporting Role
VIOLA DAVIS / Rose Maxson – “FENCES” (Paramount Pictures)
NAOMIE HARRIS / Paula – “MOONLIGHT” (A24)
NICOLE KIDMAN / Sue Brierley – “LION” (The Weinstein Company)
OCTAVIA SPENCER / Dorothy Vaughan – “HIDDEN FIGURES” (20th Century Fox)
MICHELLE WILLIAMS / Randi Chandler – “MANCHESTER BY THE SEA” (Amazon Studios and Roadside Attractions)

Outstanding Performance by a Cast in a Motion Picture
CAPTAIN FANTASTIC (Bleecker Street)
ANNALISE BASSO / Vespyr
SHREE CROOKS / Zaja
ANN DOWD / Abigail
KATHRYN HAHN / Harper
NICHOLAS HAMILTON / Rellian
SAMANTHA ISLER / Kielyr
FRANK LANGELLA / Jack
GEORGE MacKAY / Bo
ERIN MORIARTY / Claire
VIGGO MORTENSEN / Ben
MISSI PYLE / Ellen
CHARLIE SHOTWELL / Nai
STEVE ZAHN / Dave

sag DOESN'T DO FURRINERS in non-English movies, huh?

btw Slant's rocks of the year include Jackie, Captain Fantastic, Green Room

http://www.slantmagazine.com/features/article/the-20-worst-film-follies-of-2016

Jeez, this is some sort of worst case scenario:

Outstanding Performance by a Female Actor in a Leading Role
AMY ADAMS / Louise Banks – “ARRIVAL” (Paramount Pictures)
EMILY BLUNT / Rachel – “THE GIRL ON THE TRAIN” (Universal Pictures)
NATALIE PORTMAN / Jackie Kennedy – “JACKIE” (Fox Searchlight Pictures)
EMMA STONE / Mia – “LA LA LAND” (Lionsgate)
MERYL STREEP / Florence Foster Jenkins – “FLORENCE FOSTER JENKINS” (Paramount Pictures)

I don't see much traction for Blunt tbh

I'm glad people still make worst lists even if it hurt to see Green Room on one

DVDs/restorations of the year

http://www.slantmagazine.com/features/article/the-20-best-dvd-and-blu-rays-of-2016

https://www.fandor.com/keyframe/great-restorations-revelations-debuts-2016

“Celebrating 47 years of beautiful madness, fabulous trash, and excellence in character names—shout out to Belvedere Rickettes and Patty Hitler—John Waters has been selected as the recipient of a lifetime achievement award from the Writers Guild of America.”

http://www.avclub.com/article/john-waters-lifetime-trashy-brilliance-being-recog-247502

Slant: performances

http://www.slantmagazine.com/features/article/the-25-best-film-performances-of-2016

http://variety.com/2016/film/in-contention/oscar-goes-its-own-way-with-foreign-shortlist-but-is-that-so-bad-1201944334/

Because Elle didn't get nominated, we must start over.

(Or shortlisted, rather.)

Is there a chance Huppert still makes it in?

Yes, unless Oscar voters promote Viola Davis into lead.

She'll get the Cotillard/Rampling spot

And cotillard won!

In 2007. I meant 2014.

Is there a chance Huppert still makes it in?

and even Simon buys into the year-end thread existing only as Osc*r fucking forecasting. End world.

where is Indiewire when you need it?

If you think you can keep two discrete discussions going, then you have magical powers. Overlap is inevitable.

btw Indiewire also making Oscar predictions, as I read a few minutes ago.

ok everyone in filmland is now worse than people who give a shit about the Grammys.

ok ok to steer elsewhere

Anyone seen Train to Busan or The Wailing?

It's better than Snowpiercer!

The year's best film is Being 17, which as far as I know ain't showing up on any lists.

Oh -- I'm watching The Other Side this week, Morbs.

btw TOS only played in NYC at the Film Society of Lincoln Center (as did probably 15 of their 20 picks), so i'm not surprised it made the FC list.

btwn Hell or High Water and Green Room (and to a lesser extent Don't Breathe and even Ouija: Origin of Evil) most of what I've enjoyed this year has been on the "low-nonsense genre movie" end, though I've yet to see Manchester. I still dread Toni Erdmann tbh though I'm sure I'll see it at some point.

it's on Fandor, thankfully

xpost

there is also a FilmMovement dvd, which i have from the library for a rewatch.

Minervini's Stop the Pounding Heart is also worth a look, gives you bearings on where TOS fits into his "docufictions."

Aurora Lane (Jennifer Lawrence) is a journalist from New York City who is interested in cosmic travel.

Indiewire critics poll results: http://www.indiewire.com/2016/12/best-movies-2016-critic-poll-results-1201757008/

Best Film

1. Moonlight
2. Manchester by the Sea
3. La La Land
4. Toni Erdmann
5. OJ: Made in America
6. Paterson
7. The Handmaiden
8. Arrival
9. Hell or High Water
10. Jackie

Director: Barry Jenkins, Moonlight
Actress: Isabelle Huppert, Elle [also #10 for Things to Come]
Actor: Casey Affleck, Manchester by the Sea
Supporting Actress: Lily Gladstone, Certain Women
Supporting Actor: Mahershala Ali, Moonlight

Undistributed Film: Sieranevada
Overlooked Film: The Fits
Most Anticipated: Blade Runner 2049

as always, most interested in individual ballots... like Godfrey Cheshire picking Ethan Hawke as best actor for the Chet Baker movie!

http://www.indiewire.com/2016/12/godfrey-cheshire-best-films-2016-performances-critic-ballot-1201759750/

he's not bad!

since i was able to stomach him in Boyhood, perhaps i'll risk it.

not likely to stomach N W Refn, sorry, Eric

Watch the Baker movie but it's a wet sock.

I'm delighted to see A Bigger Splash turning up in more than a few lists.

More interested in your take on Anna Biller.

Huppert and Beckinsale should be running with every award.

if there hadn't been so many dissents i wd've seen the Sonia Braga vehicle by now.

(kinda shocked it outpolled Stillman and Hong here)

Sight & Sound poll page expanded w/ ballots, comments... look who voted for the Techine:

http://www.bfi.org.uk/best-films-2016#armondwhite

http://www.bfi.org.uk/best-films-2016#chrisboeckmann

You know ... I like White's list.

i saw the Makhmalbaf; it was disappointing. but Davies was one of my favorites.

I like how he parenthizes MSN. Original.

Another list to note:

http://www.bfi.org.uk/best-films-2016#henrykmiller

God help us all.

If "Zack Snyder is the only maker of ‘popular’ films who has a vision and sensibility that stirs great feeling and profound thought," God help us indeed.

Chicago:

PICTURE: Moonlight
DIRECTOR: Barry Jenkins, Moonlight
ACTOR: Casey Affleck, Manchester by the Sea
ACTRESS: Natalie Portman, Jackie
SUPPORTING ACTOR: Mahershala Ali, Moonlight
SUPPORTING ACTRESS: Michelle Williams, Manchester by the Sea.
ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY: Manchester by the Sea by Kenneth Lonergan
ADAPTED SCREENPLAY: The Handmaiden by Seo Kyung-Chung & Chan-wook Park
FOREIGN LANGUAGE FILM: The Handmaiden
DOCUMENTARY: OJ: Made in America
ANIMATED FEATURE: Kubo and the Two Strings
CINEMATOGRAPHY: La La Land, Linus Sandgren
EDITING: La La Land, Tom Cross
ART DIRECTION: The Handmaiden, Seong-hie Ryu
ORIGINAL SCORE: Jackie, Mica Levi
PROMISING PERFORMER: Lucas Hedges, Manchester by the Sea
PROMISING FILMMAKER: Robert Eggers, The Witch

Southeastern Film Critics:

TOP TEN FILMS
1. Moonlight
2. Manchester by the Sea
3. La La Land
4. Hell or High Water
5. Loving
6. Arrival
7. (Tie) Fences and Jackie
9. Nocturnal Animals
10. Hidden Figures

ACTOR Casey Affleck, Manchester by the Sea (Runner-up – Washington, Fences)
ACTRESS Natalie Portman, Jackie (Runner-up –Negga, Loving)
SUPPORTING ACTOR Mahershala Ali, Moonlight (Runner up - Bridges, Hell or High Water)
SUPPORTING ACTRESS Viola Davis, Fences (Runner-up – Harris, Moonlight)
ENSEMBLE Moonlight (Runner-up – Manchester by the Sea)
DIRECTOR (tie) – Damien Chazelle, La La Land and Barry Jenkins Moonlight
ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY Manchester by the Sea (Runner-up – Hell or High Water)
ADAPTED SCREENPLAY Moonlight (Runner-up – Arrival)
DOCUMENTARY I Am Not Your Negro (Runner-up: OJ: Made in America)
FOREIGN-LANGUAGE FILM The Handmaiden (Runner-up: Elle)
ANIMATED FILM Zootopia (Runner-up – Kubo and the Two Strings)
CINEMATOGRAPHY La La Land (Runner-up – Moonlight)
GENE WYATT AWARD Loving (Runner-up – Moonlight)

Not sure the last time I've seen such a blowout.

http://www.villagevoice.com/filmpoll

Moonlight		600	85
Manchester by the Sea	373	50
Toni Erdmann		368	52
Paterson		271	42
O.J: Made in America	244	34
La La Land		205	35
Elle			203	33
The Handmaiden		177	33
Cameraperson		168	32
Certain Women		153	33

Worst Film

Suicide Squad			N/A	7
Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice	N/A	6
Collateral Beauty			N/A	4
Independence Day: Resurgence		N/A	4
Jackie					N/A	3
Mother's Day				N/A	3
Nocturnal Animals			N/A	3

I liked Paterson but don't get how anyone can be passionate about it.

do you like New Jersey? Adam Driver in his underwear?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C0OUhI5XUAAxN0F.jpg

I liked Paterson but don't get how anyone can be passionate about it.

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, December 21, 2016 2:36 PM (twenty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

do you like New Jersey? Adam Driver in his underwear?

― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, December 21, 2016

I like repetitions when Hong does them, his actors in underwear too

my group's nominees:

BEST PICTURE

Hell or High Water

La La Land

The Lobster

Manchester by the Sea

Moonlight

BEST DIRECTOR

Damien Chazelle – La La Land

Barry Jenkins – Moonlight

Yorgos Lanthimos – The Lobster

Kenneth Lonergan – Manchester by the Sea

BEST ACTOR

Casey Affleck – Manchester by the Sea

Joel Edgerton – Loving

Ryan Gosling – La La Land

Viggo Mortensen – Captain Fantastic

Denzel Washington – Fences

BEST ACTRESS

Annette Bening – 20th Century Women

Isabelle Huppert – Elle

Ruth Negga – Loving

Natalie Portman – Jackie

Emma Stone – La La Land

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR

Mahershala Ali – Moonlight

Jeff Bridges – Hell or High Water

Ralph Fiennes – A Bigger Splash

André Holland – Moonlight

Michael Shannon – Nocturnal Animals

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS

Viola Davis – Fences

Greta Gerwig – 20th Century Women

Lily Gladstone – Certain Women

Naomie Harris – Moonlight

Octavia Spencer – Hidden Figures

Michelle Williams – Manchester by the Sea

BEST ENSEMBLE

20th Century Women

American Honey

Hidden Figures

Manchester by the Sea

Moonlight

BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY

20th Century Women

Hell or High Water

La La Land

The Lobster

Manchester by the Sea

BEST ADAPTED SCREENPLAY

Arrival

Fences

Love & Friendship

Moonlight

Nocturnal Animals

BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY

Arrival

The Handmaiden

Jackie

La La Land

Moonlight

Bob Ross is a Florida film critic?

http://www.floridafilmcritics.com/2013/11/27/bob-ross/

i see your group is not passionate about Paterson.

repetition? oh you mean 'going to work.'

it took me a minute to remember that Dan Kois is the guy who wrote the moronic 'foreign films are vegetables' thing in the NYT a few years ago.

i particularly like the 3 little comic arias Driver's dispatcher had.

i see your group is not passionate about Paterson.

He was my vote; I suspect the northern tier of the state preferred more clothed pleasures.

Unclothed Pleasures, Jia Zhangke

starring Kristen Stewart

I really loved Paterson. I thought it was funny and moving and the pacing is perfect.

First time Jarmusch has got me for two consecutive movies, so kudos.

Gimme Danger being the other one?

gimme a break

Did anyone else see Greenaway's Eisenstein movie? (wasn't he making two?) Michael Sicinski has it as his #3. I saw it early in the year and kinda hated it.

http://www.villagevoice.com/filmpoll/view/critics/Michael+Sicinski/2016

I disliked it too. Sic's enthusiasm baffles me.

I didn't hate it, but I didn't think it was very good either.

Sicinski's an O.J. skeptic, also.

MD'A concatenates the three main critics' polls: VV and Indiewire (which used to be the same thing) and Film Comment (which isn't even a critics' poll anymore but an internal staff poll).

http://letterboxd.com/gemko/list/concatenated-2016-year-end-poll-results/

I got hard seeing "concatenates" in a sentence.

You'd get worn out pretty quickly if you worked in accounting.

I chose the wrong field.

Concatenate your options, love

you got-to con-cat-enate the Oscarbait

too bad nothing rhymes with "oscarbait"

hint: what makes accountants hard

Death.

Results for Florida Film Critics coming in over Twitter; so far I'm delighted most of what I voted for has won. Full results soon.

BEST PICTURE

The Lobster

Runner-Up: La La Land

BEST DIRECTOR

Damien Chazelle – La La Land

Runner-Up: Yorgos Lanthimos – The Lobster

BEST ACTOR

Casey Affleck – Manchester by the Sea

Runner-Up: Joel Edgerton – Loving

BEST ACTRESS

Isabelle Huppert – Elle

Runner-Up: Emma Stone – La La Land

BEST SUPPORTING ACTOR

Jeff Bridges – Hell or High Water

Runner-Up: Ralph Fiennes – A Bigger Splash

BEST SUPPORTING ACTRESS

Michelle Williams – Manchester by the Sea

Runner-Up: Viola Davis – Fences

BEST ENSEMBLE

American Honey

Runner-Up: Moonlight

BEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAY

The Lobster

Runner-Up: Manchester by the Sea

BEST ADAPTED SCREENPLAY

Love & Friendship

Runner-Up: Moonlight

BEST CINEMATOGRAPHY

La La Land

Runner-Up: The Handmaiden

BEST VISUAL EFFECTS

Arrival

Runner-Up: Doctor Strange

BEST ART DIRECTION/PRODUCTION

La La Land

Runner-Up: Jackie

BEST SCORE

La La Land

Runner-Up: Jackie

BEST DOCUMENTARY

Cameraperson

Runner-Up: OJ: Made In America

BEST FOREIGN LANGUAGE FILM

Elle

Runner-Up: The Handmaiden

BEST ANIMATED FILM

Kubo and the Two Strings

Runner-Up: Zootopia

BEST FIRST FILM

The Edge of Seventeen

Runner-Up The Witch

I'm euphoric we broke the Manchester-Moonlight-LLL stranglehold.

Not crazy about The Lobster, but mazel tov!

IDGI re HOHW. Watched it, impressed that they made Chris Pine look unpretty + Ben Foster never fails but it was just a movie?

The most baffling win. I'll never get the mystery by which an OK picture becomes a year end favorite and sweeps up decent at best performances.

Also, who the hell drinks iced tea with steak?

Patrons of rural Texas steakhouses.

all of the above are just movies

oh

Iced tea with anything is natural and tasty imo.

Glad to see Love and Friendship getting a nod.

Pinkerton mostly nonplussed by Erdmann: https://www.artforum.com/film/id=65618

Pinkerton largely correct, despite his use of "interface" as a verb

Didn't see the masterpiece in that movie, but with the curve this year, close enough.

For TE to work the audience has to accept that a corporate apparatchik like Ines would allow her dad to clown her in public settings.

oooh, another Plausibles movie!

With TE I'm interested to see it because the critical reception is very far from my reaction to the clips and trailers I've seen, which is that it looks annoying and implausible. I really hope to like it in spite of that though.

This should be of interest to Hong watchers:

https://vimeo.com/156638272

With nothing else to do on NYD I saw Fences, Lion and Manchester by the Sea in one sitting. I must say that Lion was better than expected, only went for the cheap seats in the last couple of minutes. (Didn't know it came from the co-director of Top of the Lake; a ton of other folks would have made it intolerable.)

Manchester belongs to two of my favorite genres so it's right in my wheelhouse: Pretty Funny Movies About Intolerably Sad People Who Never Discuss Their Feelings and Movies That Could Easily Be Rendered Pointless Thanks To An Ill-Timed Bathroom Break.

Viola Davis is excellent in Fences but the most of the rest felt like pure showboating. Also, missed a chance at an actually memorable ending, but I guess that's the playwright's fault.

Manchester belongs to two of my favorite genres so it's right in my wheelhouse: Pretty Funny Movies About Intolerably Sad People Who Never Discuss Their Feelings and Movies That Could Easily Be Rendered Pointless Thanks To An Ill-Timed Bathroom Break.

The ultimate leaving-the-theatre-at-the-worst-possible-time story, about 6 mins in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeJWJamOI8k

Apparently both Toni Erdmann and Paterson have been accused of impolitic ideology/ representation or some such fucking horseshit. I think the presidential campaign destroyed some folks' minds permanently.

A friend of a friend took a bathroom break very late in Jeanne Dielman just before, you know.

Toni Erdman's flaw is length, not politics.

Apparently both Toni Erdmann and Paterson have been accused of impolitic ideology/ representation or some such fucking horseshit. I think the presidential campaign destroyed some folks' minds permanently.

I think this nonsense has been overtly present in popcult crit before the presidential campaign tbh

there seems to be an uptick in the last year, at least in the US....

Alfred, Maren Ade has said in interviews that when she tried to shorten TE that it just became a "nutty father" comedy. I can see that. (She doesn't think it is a comedy at its core.)

I loved Paterson, but I think it's entirely possible to offer a ideological critique of the central relationship - man works, woman stays home and bakes - that wouldn't necessarily be unfair or 'nonsense'.

Slate's movie club begins:

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/the_movie_club/features/2016/movie_club_2016/the_best_movie_of_the_year_moonlight_or_la_la_land.html

Yeah, I saw that interview. I still laughed a few times.

just cuz there's lots of laughs doesnt mean it's a comedy, cf Elle

as far as Hell or High Water is concerned - I think people were really rooting for a movie with an original script that wasn't tied to any franchise or famous director... i thought it was great, didn't make my top 10, but my experience was severely marred by half a dozen drunk idiots talking through most of it.

just cuz there's lots of laughs doesnt mean it's a comedy, cf Elle

Elle and Manchester both funny in basically the same way, broken people not mixing well with others

One of the highlights from the evening was Best Actor winner Casey Affleck’s speech, in which he read aloud some of the harshest words ever written about him by New York Magazine critic David Edelstein, also the chairman of the NYFCC and the evening’s host.

“Affleck, though likable, doesn’t have a lot of variety and resorts to chewing gum to give his character through-lines,” the actor said, quoting Edelstein’s review of the heist movie “Triple 9.” “Affleck’s line readings would be too mumbly and mulish even for the glory days of ’50s Method momma’s boys and he might as well be wearing a T-shirt that says ‘Shoot Me.’ Fortunately, he’s not the lead… It’s looking like whenever you see Casey Affleck in a movie’s credits, you can expect a standard, genre B picture — slowed down and tarted up…Mr. Affleck mutters incoherently in a voice pitched too low for even a dog to hear.”

http://www.indiewire.com/2017/01/casey-affleck-bashes-himself-5-surprises-new-york-film-critics-circle-awards-1201764437/

Writers Guild

http://www.awardsdaily.com/2017/01/04/writers-guild-nominations-announced/

Adapted field is ... truly fascinating

Moonlight is adapted.

WGA may have different rules.

Indeed, from a play, yet the WGA classified it as original; can't find the rationale. xp

Adding up the critics' groups, literally:

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/adding-up-all-the-critical-love-1201949367/

seems weird, but might have something to do with the play not being produced or published?

Both it and Loving (originally developed as a documentary for HBO) are in the adapted category for the Oscars

Glenn Kenny picks 50; "Also: Fuck Manchester by the Sea."

http://somecamerunning.typepad.com/some_came_running/2016/12/fifty-noteworthy-films-released-in-the-united-states-in-2016.html

Anyone else nuts about Cosmos?

A. Duralde is a pretty staunch anti-Manchster advocate as well.

the more I am asked to acknowledge the "tragedy" of a self-centered alcoholic who is offered an opportunity to be of genuine service to others, and instead opts to go back to his self-imposed sty of self pity, the less inclined I am to see it as tragedy, and more inclined I am to see it as defensive indulgence. So there. Also, there's the way the film neatly sidesteps issues of both moral and legal responsibility, the better to let the viewer experience all that emotion. My friend A.O. Scott raised some eyebrows in his Times review when he said it would be a mistake to deny that the movie had a racial dimension but it certainly does. I myself was reminded of the Lou Whitney song "Thirty Days in the Workhouse," the chorus of which goes "I got thirty days in the workhouse/now don't you shed no tears/'cause if I'd been a black man/they'd have given me thirty years." As Jerry Lee Lewis likes to say, think about it.

Nope.

Also, I may be the only critic and Miamian not wild about Moonlight.

Mike D'Angelo wasn't a fan either.

Also can't believe dude made a film about a guy essentially accepting he can't get past grief. What a quitter.

I wished I liked The Childhood of a Leader more than I did but, yes, it's a rather good debut

OK, I did. And nope.
― ILXorcist 2: The Heretic (Eric H.), Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:45 AM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Nope.

― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, January 5, 2017 12:45 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, no. I love GK's writing but I don't get the grounds of this dismissal at all (beyond just an empathy shortfall)

"sidesteps issues of both moral and legal responsibility"

Weird that he runs these together. Lee's legal responsibility isn't really explored, sure, but the entire film is about guilt.

Linked in the Malick thread but this is a nice list and good write-ups. Really want to see 2-7 (Right Now, Wrong Then (I think only Cemetery of Splendour has been on a release here)

The National Society of Film Critics picks Moonlight for Best Picture:

In the acting categories, “Manchester by the Sea” star Casey Affleck took the award for best actor, while Isabelle Huppert won the actress prize for her performances in both “Elle” and “Things to Come.” Affleck’s “Manchester” co-star Michelle Williams scored the prize for supporting actress, and “Moonlight” standout Mahershala Ali nabbed the award for supporting actor.

“Manchester” also won the best screenplay award. “Moonlight” continued its run by winning cinematography for James Laxton and director for Barry Jenkins.

The foreign film prize went to “Toni Erdmann” — the film’s lead actress Sandra Huller was a runner up in her category. “O.J.: Made in America” won in the nonfiction category.

Moonlight is being absurdly overrated, and people come out with pitchforks if you slight the it at all. Certain Women got ignored and imo it's a better & subtler take on the same themes explored in Moonlight, with the same triptych structure. Moonlight just checks every socially conscious box imaginable, and while I liked the film, the hysteria over it seems disingenuous and makes me queasy.

Excited to finally see Elle tomorrow.

Armond: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/443614/better-list-critical-review-2017-best-worst-movies

pretty zzzz this year

Moonlight is being absurdly overrated, and people come out with pitchforks if you slight the it at all. Certain Women got ignored and imo it's a better & subtler take on the same themes explored in Moonlight, with the same triptych structure. Moonlight just checks every socially conscious box imaginable, and while I liked the film, the hysteria over it seems disingenuous and makes me queasy.

My critics group had more than a couple of skeptics, and I've seen no pitchforks tbh. It's a solid movie with occasionally lovely patches. I didn't accept Chiron's third act transformation into a 50 Cent clone as played by Ennis Del Mar, though. And take it from me: Moonlight doesn't get much out of the South Florida location shooting as the reviews have led you to believe.

Ava DuVernay uses the documentary form to showcase today’s race-hustling elites who promote social division through black victimization

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/443614/better-list-critical-review-2017-best-worst-movies

this is stupidity as prion disease

He's been off the boil for a while now. Batman vs. Superman > Deadpool is some kind of nadir though

ICYMI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqyuIFSNxYI

Kubo and the Two Strings > Finding Dory, Sausage Party
Travis Knight responds to the crisis of our rotted pop culture with this fable about the sustenance a boy receives from family memory and hand-fashioned art.

I wish there were a little more to Kubo. It had a lot going for it, but I couldn't stay interested in the story.

yeah I thought it was beautiful but slight

I was more into The Red Turtle

Armond's gay list.

Anyone want to tell me more about Beautiful Something, Don't Call Me Son or Spa Night?

Kubo's Disney-isms (e.g. the sassy sparring between Kubo's parents) were unusually irritating.

re: Moonlight i get the overrated criticisms, particularly in the way it's framed as some "socially conscious" medicine, but for me it was just this impossibly lush and romantic picture a al In the Mood for Love but with a happy-ish ending--just not something you see very often, and for that i really loved it.

also glad to see GK, whose opinions i always respect, responded to Silence as strongly as I did.

The description of Valley of Love as being about 'the difficulty of parenting gay children' is completely baffling, and I suspect he hopes nobody else has seen the (kinda shitty) film. Nobody has done any parenting, and the kid is dead.

he is right about Being 17 > Moonlight as far as the depictions of gay black relationships goes.

Hacksaw Ridge, Knight of Cups, Voyage of Time > Silence Mel Gibson professes faith the difficult way, by defending a conscientious objector’s war experience. Terrence Malick searches for faith in Hollywood (fiction) and throughout history (nonfiction). But Martin Scorsese’s latest protracted remake replaces their conviction and originality with a lapse of cinematic faith.

that last sentence means nothing, i'm not even sure he saw it.

saw that too and almost made a similar post. wtf with that nonsense.

Izzie!

Sight & Sound's best blu rays and DVDs of 2016:

http://www.bfi.org.uk/sight-sound-magazine/best-dvds-blu-rays-2016

Razzie long list: https://www.comicbookmovie.com/batman_vs_superman/razzie-shortlists-revealed-for-2016-the-37th-golden-a147971

Beyond Collateral Beauty and the latest D'Souza woke-umentary, nothing to see here.

you guys HAVE to see Collateral Beauty. best unintentional comedic masterpiece since The Happening or The Wicker Man remake.

collateral beauty should have been the name of a straight-to-streaming gina carano flick

Don't get DIRTY GRANDPA getting reamed by the Razzies... great rock fuck stupid movie, good fun... ZOOLANDER 2 should sweep, the original is shot-for-shot perfect, sequel was an embarrassment and complete waste of time & money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh0niSXueu0

i thought Cameraperson v nearly lived up to the hype. Criterion edition next month.

agreed

I like how the Razzies shortlisted Mother's Day for numerous awards and then wussed out when it came to including Garry Marshall in the Worst Director category.

Wow -- Hidden Figures beat Rogue One this weekend. A pleasant, inoffensive picture that would have gone to #1 w/out a hitch pre-#Marvelflicks

^They thought those women were in the Rebel Alliance.

BAFTA noms, La La Land, zzzzzzzz:

https://www.fandor.com/keyframe/2017-bafta-nominations

PGA nominations: http://variety.com/2017/film/awards/la-la-land-moonlight-fences-producers-guild-nominations-1201956869/

wtf Deadpool

Awards contenders “Silence,” “Jackie,” “Sully,” “Loving,” “Captain Fantastic,” “Nocturnal Animals,” “20th Century Women” and “Florence Foster Jenkins” were overlooked

said Jack Kennedy

Senses of Cinema

http://sensesofcinema.com/2017/world-poll/world-poll-2016-introduction/

DGA nominations: http://www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/movies-news-reviews/article126119929.html

My Letterboxd Year in Review:

316 films logged

Jerry Lewis
Most Watched Actor

Douglas Sirk
Most Watched Director

(the Sirks were mostly the non-canon obscure stuff Lincoln Center showed)

Are we going to have a poll this year? I've been watching everything I can get my hands on...

Yeah, I've got a busy week ahead but maybe I'll get the thread going in the next day or two.

Labuza and Uhlich. Interesting convo around #1.

http://www.thecinephiliacs.net/2017/01/2016-favorites-with-keith-uhlich-part-1.html

Walter Chaw's 2016 wrap-up is several zillion times more interesting than all these year-end awards:

I want to say, too, that the best films of 2016 are split evenly between grief and reflection, and raging against the dying of the light. Hindsight being what it is, a Trump presidency and the global rise of fascism aren't surprising. The roots of our hopelessness are in these films. The seeds are there too, though, of the shape that rebellion will take in the next four years. Our horror genre is in the midst of a golden age. It's about to be extraordinary. Anyway, Paul Feig's Ghostbusters is Hillary. David Ayer's Suicide Squad is Trump. One is disappointing and groundbreaking in the safest possible way (and why aren't there any Asian people in a movie whose heroes work above a Chinese restaurant?); the other is a hate crime people came out in droves to witness. Outrage is selective, see? Welcome to the brave new world.

Yeah, I've got a busy week ahead but maybe I'll get the thread going in the next day or two.

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Toni Erdmann is out here soon as well :)

Hoberman's Top 10:

http://yearendlists.com/2016/12/j-hoberman-10-best-films-of-2016/

(Noticed he doesn't vote in the Voice poll...understandable.)

Nathaniel Rogers: http://thefilmexperience.net/blog/2017/1/13/best-of-year-nathaniels-top-ten.html

"Would That It Were So Simple" - The ILX 2016 Film Poll Thread - Voting Ends Sunday, February 26th

http://reverseshot.org/features/2305/two_cents_2017

Worst De Palma Critic: De Palma
Take it from a staunch Brian De Palma addict: Brian De Palma is the person you least want to hear talk about le cinéma de Palma. Sitting awkwardly before a fireplace mantle in Noah Baumbach and Jake Paltrow’s talking-head doc, the now enormous De Palma holds court, going through his films chronologically, one by one, relating some terrific anecdotes, and overall being a surprisingly genial guide. The result is an aesthetically impoverished documentary about a great visual thinker—a disconnect hard to get over—but more detrimentally, his perspective on his own work’s merits is mostly tied to financial success (as is the case with many American filmmakers, including Spielberg). Thus, De Palma reiterates that his greatest accomplishments are benchmarks Carrie, Dressed to Kill, Scarface, The Untouchables, and Mission: Impossible, while such relative box-office disappointments as The Fury, Raising Cain, and Femme Fatale get short shrift—especially the latter, which barely rates any screen time even though any true De Palma fan knows it’s a career-defining masterwork. There’s a purity of vision and concept to Baumbach and Paltrow’s approach for sure: wind up the man and let him talk. But if there’s any filmmaker whose work is worthy of a more dialectical approach it’s De Palma, one of our most hotly debated, divisive directors. Like any artist, his work benefits from considered, serious criticism. (If you really care about De Palma, read Chris Dumas’s brilliant recent book Un-American Psycho, an engaging and endlessly revealing political and aesthetic study.) De Palma provides us with a rare home visit with an elusive figure, but its anti-critical approach left me thirsty. —MK

The Paul Giamatti Award for Overacting: Natalie Portman in Jackie

In the voice of South Park’s Cartman mixed with a Marilyn Monroe-impersonating drag queen:
“Misteh Valenti . . . would you mahnd getting a message to ool aww funeral guests when they lehnd? Infoohm them that I will whoa-wuk with Jack tomorrow . . . Alone if necessary. And tell General de Gawul that if he wishes to rahd in an uh-merd cahhr—or in a tank, fuh that mattuh—I won’t blame him. And I’m shoo-uh the tens of millions of people oowahhtching won’t eye-thuh.” —MK

Pretty sure MK is the Arnold Schwarzenegger to my Danny DeVito.

Nice dig at considering OJ: Made in America a movie.

A master class in shade.

that's what many of the talking heads in the film imply about OJ

Don't sleep on the Romanian Aferim! Painterly b&w widescreen compositions, among other virtues.

otm. it's great. and don't sleep on jude's followup Scarred Hearts either.

Denzel over Casey for the SAG award. Can't say I'm surprised that there would be cooling off on Manchester overall.

the Skandies begin:

http://enchantedmitten.blogspot.de/2017/01/skandies-20.html

should i pay to see Neruda?

i enjoyed
not many contemporary auteurs whose decisions are as interesting just to think abt as larrain imo

BAFTAs

https://www.fandor.com/keyframe/la-la-land-tops-baftas

BAFTAZZZZZZZZZZZZ......

@labuzamovies
I don't understand how my least favorite scene in MANCHESTER became the de facto best scene of 2016. #skandies

http://skandies.org/results/scenes/1805

http://skandies.org/results/categories.1?year=2016

Indie Spirits to Moonlight, Huppert, Affleck

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-mn-independent-spirit-awards-20170225-story.html

FC readers voted

https://www.filmcomment.com/blog/film-comment-readers-poll-2016/

the Muriels -- Paterson by a nose

http://murielcommunity.blogspot.de/

Weird, it didn't win any other categories.

Don't know if it's THE favorite, but Hell or High Water has one of my favorite film endings ever.