"croissant-munching, latte-sipping": instances of misconceived media-class self-loathing ITT

point 1: there is literally no budget-price supermarket you can't buy croissants in = fkn everyone munches them
point 2: you can get a latte in a SPAR in run-down mid-Wales = much the same applies

translation: when ppl use this to indicate the "out-of-touchness" of the class they themselves come from, they indicate their own out-of-touchness

great thread:

https://twitter.com/WeWantPlates

people who go to shit restaurants complaining about their choice by criticising the perceived pretentiousness of the crap restaurants they CHOOSE TO GO TO, as if they've dipped their toe into a dimension that disgusts them, rather than being the only ones living in that dimension.

'the class they themselves come from' -- do you mean, the middle class?

The middle class is quite broad and diverse - in that sense, not surprising that people from one sector of it attack another.

I agree about the croissant and latte.

this is not abt ppl from one sector attacking another, it's abt people acting the sector them themselves are in

it isn't a question of what *i* mean by this class, i am not the one doing this anooying thing: you might well ask the ppl doing it who precisely they mean

Croissants and lattes are:

a) very visible *as accessories* for a certain type of professional
b) European, and not part of any good honest Full English

Whether Real People eat croissants or drink lattes is neither here nor there. cf "cheese eating surrender monkeys" when America consumes more cheese than France two or three times over.

nobody actually ever used "cheese eating surrender monkeys" - wasn't that from the simpsons or something?

as if croissants aren't ubiquitous and just a normal food - i hardly think the people who use "croissant-munching/latte-swilling" as pejoratives are eating a fry-up every morning.

i have never seen anyone use a croissant as an accessory. pastries of some kind are a fact of office life.

i hardly think the people who use "croissant-munching/latte-swilling" as pejoratives are eating a fry-up every morning.

Too bad, was looking forward to a generation of wasteman liberal authentocrat newspaper columnists all getting coronaries in their early fifties tbh

the point of the thread is note examples of an annoying stupid thing, not to offer reasons why the annoying stupid thing is ok and fine

it is a descendent of "Use other words please."

as far as i can tell the only people who still eat a fryup every morning are longtime civil servants and (separate circle with intersection) alcoholics

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i have never seen anyone use a croissant as an accessory. pastries of some kind are a fact of office life.

They are an accessory if you imagine that outside the window are a load of salt-of-the-earth types eyeing your choice of coffee and pastry with incomprehension and suspicion, which almost certainly never happens in reality.

No one actually says "croissant-munching, latte-sipping" either but everyone knows what's being implied, as much as "hummus-eating" or whatever.

i've noticed islington being cited a lot lately. i know islington has been posh for many moons, but i feel like there's been a spike in this as lazy shorthand for all the evils of out-of-touch london. dunno if it's post-corbyn.

also "shoreditch" - it'll probably still be cited as home of all hipsters, by people who've never been there, or possibly never been to london, even after the price of a tiny studio apartment tops £2m.

xpost people DEFINITELY say "croissant-munching/latte-sipping" and "hummus-eating". afaik those flavoured hummus dips are a massive massive success in like tesco/sainsburies but still, apparently eating hummus means you're not a real englander.

re "examples of an annoying stupid thing" -- I would still benefit from more clarity about the thing.

Is it eg: middle class liberals sneering at middle class liberals?

Or eg: middle class conservatives sneering at middle class liberals?

It goes further back than that, Islington was the actual cradle of New Labour (like, Blair and Brown literally went for dinner on Upper Street), a lot of liberal actors lived there in the 90s. Corbyn really represents the other half of Islington, the poverty and the deprivation that's still there in a lot of the borough, but it suits a lot of people *within* the Labour party/liberal media to pretend that he's just another out-of-touch luvvie.

Ferns and quiche was the cliche in 1970s America, and was equally d-u-m dumb, because both were used to mean effete wealth and both were solidly everywhere and enjoyed by everyone.

I'm sure you hit at least ten examples of this whenever you read one of those John Harris columns when he leaves London in order to disparage people who "never leave London".

middle class conservatives who think they are liberals sneering at people who are almost always considerably less posh than themselves

people in eg: opening pages of Guardian G2 do do this, actually

eg: 'this new product will appeal to croissant-munching Guardianistas, too'

the sense being -- affectionate self-mockery while also bonding themselves and their readers together into an identified group

maybe this is what Mark S meant?

I agree, it is the kind of thing John Harris does, also. From him, it comes across as quite aggressive and nasty.

So that is a good example.

Never leaving London = bad

Never leaving your Lincolnshire market town = good, pls tell me more of your five point plan to put the Great back into Britain

the guardian is like a perfect circle for this stuff. simultaneously trying to write articles for their london audience and placate the hordes of users who seem riled by the fact that there is a city with a lot of people in it.

xpost to matt.

bananaman otm too. many small towns are centres for abusive and violent behaviour.

80% of the staff at right-wing newspapers are self-loathing liberals churning out cliches like this to order, you see it in the Telegraph and the Mail a lot.

My parents used to talk about brie and chardonnay filling this role in the past. The food in question is always soft, pale and a bit foreign.

"bruschetta-munching"
^^^largely associated with the iraq war, i think this was/is an islington-on-islington act of depravity (n!ck fkn cohen's endless fkn made-up dinner-parties)

"croissant-munching"
^^^the sun has switched from bruschetta to croissant BECAUSE THEY JUDGE THAT EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT A CROISSANT IS (bcz everyone munches em) thus proving localgarda's and my point

"latte-sipping"
^^^anti-liberal alliteration

comedy-marmalade conservatives

keep calm and comedy-marmalade conservatives

bring me the head of elizabeth david

I recall pejorative mention of Corbyn's vegetarian falafels before, which I'd imagine are a very nice side dish. And if Corbyn went shopping for fresh produce in my local (in the provinces) Asian supermarket, he wouldn't be found wanting for any ingredients and the only difference from N London would be the cheaper cost. I'd bet many right wing columnists who exhibit a certain type of shrill macho posturing are not fucking stupid enough to favour unhealthy "classic" junk food staples over healthier options.

Ed Miliband's populist fail when was looking at the bacon sarnie like it is a piece of dogshit in his hand was possibly another example of this? Although probably a big dose of dog whistle antisemitism in that Sun pic as well.

owen smith's cappuccino feints felt like the pinnacle of this at the time

the frequency with which falafel and houmous are cited as items of pretentious middle-class foods is very telling w/r/t the exclusion of immigrants and POC from the "working class" umbrella - only the white working class are real working class, it seems

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01706/blair-beer_1706299c.jpg

is the brexiteer obsession with jam the flipside of this?

i read a lot of the food articles on the guardian and for my sins i sometimes end up reading the comments, there is some really vile small-mindedness there, and it's exactly like this - people raging about receipes with ethnic ingredients, like as if the idea of an ethnically diverse neighbourhood is some kind of snobbery in itself.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_wkO4hk07o

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They also never contain meat, which is important. Corbyn's vegetarianism means he's isn't a real man's man, ditto E-Mili's bacon sandwich problems.

i didn't think the bacon sandwich photo was supposed to be showing ed's disdain for the common man's carcinogenic meat, i assumed it was bullying more in the vein of "lol look at this man's face he cannot rule us"

It was that as well.

I just thought "I bet there's an Orwell quote about this" and about ten seconds of Googling revealed this:

One sometimes gets the impression that the mere words ‘Socialism’ and ‘Communism’ draw towards them with magnetic force every fruit-juice drinker, nudist, sandal-wearer, sex-maniac, Quaker, ‘Nature Cure’ quack, pacifist, and feminist in England. One day this summer I was riding through Letchworth when the bus stopped and two dreadful-looking old men got on to it. They were both about sixty, both very short, pink, and chubby, and both hatless. One of them was obscenely bald, the other had long grey hair bobbed in the Lloyd George style. They were dressed in pistachio-coloured shirts and khaki shorts into which their huge bottoms were crammed so tightly that you could study every dimple. Their appearance created a mild stir of horror on top of the bus. The man next to me, a commercial traveller I should say, glanced at me, at them, and back again at me, and murmured ‘Socialists’, as who should say, ‘Red Indians’. He was probably right — the I.L.P. were holding their summer school at Letchworth. But the point is that to him, as an ordinary man, a crank meant a Socialist and a Socialist meant a crank. Any Socialist, he probably felt, could be counted on to have something eccentric about him. And some such notion seems to exist even among Socialists themselves. For instance, I have here a prospectus from another summer school which states its terms per week and then asks me to say ‘whether my diet is ordinary or vegetarian’. They take it for granted, you see, that it is necessary to ask this question. This kind of thing is by itself sufficient to alienate plenty of decent people. And their instinct is perfectly sound, for the food-crank is by definition a person willing to cut himself off from human society in hopes of adding five years on to the life of his carcase; that is, a person but of touch with common humanity

"Fruit juice drinker"

you can put pretty much any banal activity into a format that makes it seem like something worthy of hatred, if you try hard enough.

i dunno what bruschetta is, i guess i have to work harder at being the liberal elite i strive to be

ok for me the miliband sandwich issue has just sedimented out into several rival issues:

i: Ed is posh and this loathed the decent working man's food which showed on his face as he forced himself to eat it
ii: Ed is vegetarian and cannot abide meat like an Orwell-loathed crank which showed on his face as he forced himself to eat it
iii: Ed is Jewish and cannot abide bacon like some kind of muslim which showed on his face as he forced himself to eat it
iv: Ed looks weird when he puts food in his mouth and chews

I had always gone for (iv): this has been an education in the layered subtleties of media-class self-loathing

i feel like it was definitely iv, in its entirety. i'm dubious about it being any other.

i didn't even know it was a bacon sandwich

you can put pretty much any banal activity into a format that makes it seem like something worthy of hatred, if you try hard enough.

― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Tuesday, November 29, 2016 1:02 PM (five minutes ago)

"mouth-breather"

brexiteers and jam (aka "comedy marmalade") derives from the fact that jam is one of only a small number of popular foodstuffs that we don't need to import* to turn into a valued commodity that will bring the world's markets a-running

*however, as noted on the brexit thread: "UK farmers warn of Brexit-triggered labour crisis" = fruit and veg rotting in the fields unpicked
https://www.ft.com/content/7ceb876c-b58d-11e6-961e-a1acd97f622d

bcz the usual labourforce have noted (a) their pay packed will have dropped in value by c.20%, and (b) England is no longer a friendly place to come and do cheap useful seasonal labour in

can we pause to investigate whether or not in the very raising of this thread attacking tropes attacking tropes mark s is himself an example of a trope

i am obv in asking this performing a recognise trope attacking service and hiding behind any such accusation is not to be countenanced

Also, I recall the fact that it was a bacon sandwich being made a very big deal of at the time - bacon butty, sandwich of the people, Ed cannot eat it look at him look at him.

So basically I read it as mostly iv but with a reasonable dose of i and a tiny bit of iii for those who are looking for it.

can we pause to investigate whether or not having smelt it deems himself may have dealt it

iirc Orwell took shots at fruit juice on a number of other occasions also. really had a problem with the stuff

ah weird i never noticed the bacon part - i prob only came across this "story" via people's outrage about it on twitter so i missed whatever the tabloid's "point" was besides the photo.

i had scrambled egg today and did not in any sense munch it

Miliband was otherised by the right wing press and some members of his own party for quite some time - "he looks weird", "he's a North London intellectual", "his father hated Britain", he was compared to the Child Catcher (an actual antisemitic caricature) by some dreadful Katie Hopkins-alike. The bacon sandwich can't be separated from all that.

Yeah the sandwich being bacon-filled was mentioned too often for it not to be just 'face even weirder when eating'.

yeah i don't dispute that - i never read the actual content around the sandwich, as i say, like many things, i probably wouldn't have heard about it if it wasn't for people who were annoyed about it sharing it on twitter.

tbf to the tabloids and the fascists generally, if he had followed my mum's much-repeated rules on eating he would not have come to grief in this instance

a: "that bite was much to big! take smaller mouthfuls!"
b: "keep your mouth closed when you're chewing!"

If you have really poor quality bacon it can be difficult to take a clean bite no matter how small a bite you take.

theresa may eats only the finest british bacon, made from churchillian pigs.

“The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was munching which”

On the food theme, isn't there some alleged account of Peter Mandelson mistaking mushy peas for guacamole at a chippie in his constituency?

"Typical Guardian reader" is often thrown around as a pejorative term by peopel who I'm sure also read it.

I love George Orwell, but I don't think that notorious passage does him much credit. Rereading it now, I am coming to think it is as bad as all the people who say it is bad have always thought.

sometimes guacamole IS MADE WITH PEAS

Mandelson/guac story has also been attributed to Caprice and is presumably apocryphal

GAINESVILLE, Fla. -- A political committee set up by Florida Gov. Rick Scott is criticizing the woman who shouted at him in a coffee shop and blasted his support of an anti-abortion law, saying she's a "latte liberal."

Video of the confrontation has been viewed more than 2 million times on YouTube and shows 39-year-old Cara Jennings calling the governor "an embarrassment to our state." She tells him her health care costs had increased because of his policies.

Scott replied that he has created 1 million jobs, before turning around and leaving the Starbucks before getting his coffee.

xp was just coming to post about The Prince of Darkness and that apocryphal story about Hartlepool guacamole

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwRx8-Hjlk0

guacamole for Mandelson performed the same function as Bacon Sandwich-gate did for EMili: a chance to have a good sneer effete, out of touch, chattering class Hampstead liberals for other effete, out of touch Hampstead liberals AKA the gentlemen of the press

brexiteers and jam

Jam also probably symbolises the battle against liberal PC do-gooders who won't let them have a golliwog on the jar any more, which must be the fault of the EU. Racist jam will make Britain great again.

"moet medics"
^^^this seems a reach

"chardonnay-swilling"
^^^this seems to have undergone the social drift that croissant hasn't -- viz it used to mean the same as "champagne socialist" (and still does in eg australia?) but e.g. on mumsnet now means something a bit more TOWIE or WAG-ish

great thread:

https://twitter.com/WeWantPlates🔗

people who go to shit restaurants complaining about their choice by criticising the perceived pretentiousness of the crap restaurants they CHOOSE TO GO TO, as if they've dipped their toe into a dimension that disgusts them, rather than being the only ones living in that dimension.

But but but this is a disease and it is spreading! You go to a place for years and then one day they bring out your burger on a fucking board! Betrayal.

Mandleson's guacamole faux pas is indeed apocryphal, according to Peter Bazalgette; I hadn't realised that Kinnock was involved in popularising the misconception

So, before I report on a tasting of guacamole, I have to deal with an urban myth: that the politician Peter Mandelson, visiting a northern chippie, asked for “some of that guacamole” when referring to the mushy peas. I have investigated this thoroughly and it turns out the real culprit was a young American intern. This was compounded when former Labour leader Neil Kinnock unkindly attributed the remark to m’lord Mandelson. That sorts that.

https://www.ft.com/content/7dea4d8e-6c6d-11e5-8171-ba1968cf791a

It's true about chardonnay. The last time I heard it mentioned was someone saying 'book clubs that get together and drink chardonnay'. What could be so wrong about that? (The implication was that it was a bit 'common' or something)

(Compare ILB club that gets together over Harvey's)

the culinary synecdoche

we call em frogs, they call us rosbifs

wikipeida is telling me that the Irish equivalent of champagne socialist/chardonnay socialist/gauche caviar etc is "smoked salmon socialist", can anyone confirm if this is true

"lambrini-swilling"

as in "labrini-swilling social hooligans"

http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2016-09-06/new-bbc-comedy-motherland-has-the-realities-of-the-school-run-down-to-a-tee
You may think that middle-class mums (and dads) are everywhere – in life, in popular culture, blimey you may even be one yourself. But us quinoa-munching stalwarts of the school run haven’t had a sitcom of our own yet.

further to my point abt my mum's opinions upthread, if ppl didn't "munch" or swill" but ate and drank nicely perhaps all this bigotry would vanish?

quaffing is also bad

starfish and coffee, brexiteers and jam

GQ UK went to that shop and reported that dry, crusty bread was to blame, declared the sandwich "difficult."

I'm reminded of John Kerry's unforced error in requesting actual cheese on his Philly cheesesteak order instead of cheez whiz, as Real American Dubya did.

Just searching "munching liberals" gets you:

lentil-munching
granola-munching
quinoa-munching
muesli-munching
cock-munching (this is probably not about food)
arugula-munching (this is something of a curveball)
tofu-munching
Guardian-munching (possibly a typo)
kale-munching
croissant-munching (FINALLY!)
lettuce-munching
salad-munching
mashed yeast-munching (WTF?)
vegetable-munching (this is just lazy)
bean-munching (not even mung beans at that)

I gave up after page five.

you missed yoghurt weaving

lentil-munching
granola-munching
quinoa-munching
muesli-munching
cock-munching (this is probably not about food)
arugula-munching (this is something of a curveball)
tofu-munching
Guardian-munching (possibly a typo)
kale-munching
croissant-munching (FINALLY!)
lettuce-munching
salad-munching
mashed yeast-munching (WTF?)
vegetable-munching (this is just lazy)
bean-munching (not even mung beans at that)

is this from "Cheeseburger in Paradise"?

The general difference between liberal elite self-loathing and actual right-wingers seems to be that the latter are just disgusted at the concept of anyone eating a vegetable.

http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article7893606.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/PAY--Zac-Goldsmith-24-Hour-Campaign.jpg

i found a "wine-swilling kebab-scoffing teenager" but it's a daily mail headline compressing (and changing) something simon cowell said abt britain's got talent which doesn't seem to have legs beyond "people not well prepared for a competition for performers"

Marcello likes to use "wine bar" as a pejorative.

xxp a big greasy stain of unidentifiable meat pictured with two doner kebabs

lol googling "meat-munching" takes me straight to a site which feature late lamented ilxor CALUM W4DDELL talking to some z-grade horror-movie technician -- i'm not linking that either

notorious Tory Party Doner

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02601/ozzy_2601077b.jpg

shamburger-gate

George Osborne's Byron burger fail. Out of touch - £6.75, with fries at an extra £2.95. If cheese is added, the price of the burger rises to an out of touch £7.95.

thread back on track: dan jarvis on ukip, pie & mash, liquor and eels

eels are WAY out in the weird unacceptable food zone btw (i mean i like em but i've eaten locust AND scorpion) (scorpion is nasty btw)

It was another Jarvis who sang “I want to do whatever common people do”. The Pulp song crossed my mind after being summoned by Dan Jarvis, the Labour MP, to a pie and mash shop in Grays, Essex.

pulp song that hates migrants, mind you

The ex-military man was oblivious to my reference to the Britpop rocker. "Sounds a bit soft for a Northerner mate - give me Joe Cocker any day, or these cockles!" he wryly grinned before devouring the whole lot of them. Proper.

lol, some of these tools still trying talk up Dan Jarvis coz he served in Afghan. He is a dim + bumbling orator and loves taking cheques from hedgefund managers - mind that last bit does show leadership potential
.

lol nashwan

"cockle-munching"
"eel-munching"

these both get off topic quite quickly

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/41/86/37/418637b296fec6498db60478a93696a9.jpg

wikipeida is telling me that the Irish equivalent of champagne socialist/chardonnay socialist/gauche caviar etc is "smoked salmon socialist", can anyone confirm if this is true

― soref, Tuesday, 29 November 2016 14:33 (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

only ever heard champagne variety tbh

in ireland it's "clean-water socialist" or "blight-free potato liberal"

"broadband dandy"

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ie people for whom the above photo of Desperate Dan loads quickly xp

There was a NYT article about this a couple of years ago.

I'm mostly a cappuccino guy but I'll admit that it does feel a bit decadent to spend $3-$4 on a nice espresso/steamed milk combination. It's a treat once or twice a week, and you have to get it at the right place or else it's a total waste..

"latte liberal"

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great thread.

eating habits are so frequently held as being of moral & social import, as they are fundamental and easily controlled, but it is interesting that a lot of right-wing conformist disdain operates on this level. reminds me of the research claiming that strong involuntary physiological reactions of disgust correlate with being more right-wing.

At least in the US and Canada, McDonald's sells lattés at this point (although I don't know why anyone would buy a latté at McDonald's).

perhaps this is what all this noise comes down to: the distrust of anyone whose ethics or politics transcend the reality of gut-feelings

Lattés are relatively easy on the gut, unless you're talking about some kind of butterscotch maple pumpkin spice concoction.

Only Commies drink those.

private-schooled murphy

"eating habits are so frequently held as being of moral & social import"

i always figured the flip side of nu-coffee habits (as opposed to being called a snob for buying a three dollar coffee or whatever) is you get to hold a 1000 calorie sugar snack in your hand and it's socially acceptable. like, people might make fun of you if you were holding 4 twinkies in your hand. but a triple cookie crunch mocha with whipped cream is totally okay. stealth junk! hey, i dig it.

Yeah, I'm never sure if people are talking about people who drink espresso with steamed milk or people who drink those garbage dessert lattés, or people who care about the difference. Because #2 deserve to be mocked.

the article sund4r linked to relates the political disdain to the issue of needless luxury rather than difficulty of taste

on the list matt put up, the main associations seem to be vegetarianism and slimming, both often assumed -- ie by orwell -- to be a crankish (and sometimes pricey) moralism, but this hardly applies to lattes

it certainly isn't outlander food: indian and chinese food aren't stigmatised in the UK, kebabs maybe are a bit (but not as lefty or posh)

"hygge-munching"

^^^only has one google link so far, to a site explicitly dedicated to hygge: WATCH THIS SPACE I GUESS

If you order coffee in South India, a latte/cappuccino is more or less what they give you.

"gløgg-swilling" also only has one entry currently

someone shit (jk rowling maybe) shared that orgoodwise quote as proof that corbyn is bad

http://www.weightlossresources.co.uk/img/l/lunch-asda-prawn-mayo-sandwich.jpg

multi-millionaire roy keane characterising people in hospitality boxes as not living 'in the real world' and 'eating prawn sandwiches'

Roy Keane may be many things but he has certainly never been a member of the metropolitan liberal elite.

yeah it's not the same but maybe a similar thing transposed to the oafish world of no-nonsense football yeomanry

the thing i like abt the article sund4r linked -- probably bcz it slightly overlaps with an idea i'd half-articulated further up -- is that the items targeted by reactionaries in this sense bcz they can be identified as guilty pleasures, bcz pricey or luxury or fancy or show-offy or performative or virtue-signalling in some sense: they are actually quite widely enjoyed but can somehow also be disavowed as a marker of social identity ("i've eaten lettuce but i'm not a LETTUCE-MUNCHING TYPE")

so the accusation lands right on a spot that many people will instantly draw back from -- not bcz they themselves dislike the item (far from it) but bcz they don't want to be caught being the thing it represents

cockle butties

is what roy keane eats obv

i just bought a cappuccino out of a machine at the bong store next door. one dollar. in honor of this thread. dollar cappuccinos from the pakistani-run bong store what this great country is all about in my opinion.

are these the same people who "knit their own yogurt" or is that a hippie subset?

"Avenues type" if you're from round here.

Wasn't there a minor hoohah about Cameron (remember him?) eating a burger with a knife and fork?

btw lex said what I was going to say re falafel/houmous/clueless whites but that reminds me to remind the thread that the influence of shit comedians in keeping the "I have run out of houmous #mostmiddleclasssentenceever #britishproblems" idiocy alive is as much a factor as that of shit columnists. Russell Kane is probably saying something about houmous right this very moment somewhere

xp I can only recall the time he misremembered eating a pastie in Leeds station

cameron's was a hotdog-related implement-gaffe:
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CB_t2F6VIAExfZh.jpg

if you fuck with houmous you fuck with me

more greggs-related political fun: http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/kezia-dugdale-calls-for-return-of-macaroni-pie-1-3811092

okay forkhotdog makes me mad and I'm a latte-drinking coastal elite xps

I'm literally drinking a latte right now

feel like burger with k&f would be acceptable, so many burgers are stupidly too big to eat as the sandwiches they are anyway

I recall someone saying that anyone who has only eaten houmous outside of the middle east/Isreal doesn't know what it really is. It was some dude who wrote a book about houmous talking on R4.

(hotdog thing is a strange life choice for sure xp)

politicians should probably not eat in public -- none of them seem to know how to do it

i hate to say it but a lot of the attitudes in this country can be traced to my hero george carlin. he had a large cult of morning radio hosts who loved to rant about the latte people. george was really good at it though.

he was a good writer. that helped. now you get that generic "latte-swilling, kale-munching, home-schooling, etc..."

hot dog with a knife and fork is p outrageous but sadly difficult to compress into the pithy x-y'ing format.

the classic wes streeting distaste for 'trendy falafel bars' obviously says more of him being out of touch with the common man than it does of anyone else, since the usual term for 'trendy falafel bar' is 'kebab shop'.

i would kill for a trendy falafel bar in my town!

Oh, hm, "home-schooling" mostly calls to mind fundamentalist Christians for me. I think those were the only home-schooled people I knew.

effete middle class professionals only quaff prosecco these days surely

i think they are still into the whole "mixology" thing.

#smallbatchbitters

http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0583/0433/products/6004_lg_1024x1024.jpg?v=1414968089

politicians should probably not eat in public -- none of them seem to know how to do it

easily explained by the fact that they're all secretly 12-foot-tall babyeating reptoids iirc

when I was in the Netherlands the other day these beered-up Dutch #lads were bounding towards the takeaway I was standing outside chanting FALAFEL FALAFEL like you might expect a British counterpart to enthuse about cheeky Nandos. enjoyed it

the brunch munching, how to white supremacy well listening middle classes

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You heard it here first.

On a related tip disappointingly "muesli-eating" seems to have vanished from common usage as an insult. Though this quote by Labour MP Kevin Hughes from 2001 manages to get the trifecta of yogurt, muesli and Guardian readers: "Don't you find it bizarre, like I do, that the yoghurt-eating, muesli-eating, Guardian-reading fraternity are only too happy to want to protect the human rights of people who engage in terrorist acts?"

Shame he couldn't shoehorn "sandal wearing" in too.

Great thread: cf John Shuttleworth's cappucino references from back in the 90s

as an american, i find the notion that any deep-fried food could possibly be considered "elitist" to be nothing short of bizarre.

Lol, eating yogourt has class associations in the UK?

Not that I'm aware of. Maybe in 1932.

I think it veers through time, am pretty sure Steptoe-era sitcoms used yogurt as a class signifier

that just reminds me of ian mackaye's ice cream-eating motherfuckers taunt

What always makes me smile in threads like this is how subtle/regional class signifiers are, not that people think they don't exist because they aren't aware of them

Greek yogurt has blown up in recent years.

Basing this entirely on me buying it a lot more.

Nah, definitely a "sophistication" signifier for the last 2 or 3 years

i was waiting my whole life for greek yogurt apparently. love it. in the 90's all i could get was Erivan yogurt. still want a trendy falafel place though.

It certainly makes a good khorma, and is just lush with honey. You can get a tub of Greek Yoghurt and a bag of Kale in my local Co-op for a not very petit bourgeois price of just under 2 quid.

btw lex said what I was going to say re falafel/houmous/clueless whites but that reminds me to remind the thread that the influence of shit comedians in keeping the "I have run out of houmous #mostmiddleclasssentenceever #britishproblems" idiocy alive is as much a factor as that of shit columnists. Russell Kane is probably saying something about houmous right this very moment somewhere

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No lie, a few posts into this thread and all I could think of was Russell Kane shrieking 'CoriANDER!!!!'
Think this was from about a decade ago and it's clearly annoyed me ever since

Tbf he's a cunt

surely not

Remember the irst time I came across this kind of thing and it was a piece Michael Crick did around one of the Labour party conf (early 00s but could easily be wrong by five years either side) and he was playing with this awful Blairite activist who said something dumb around mushy peas.

Recently came across that Orwell fragment when quoted by Michael Deacon on twitter iirc and Orwell is totally the fuel these ppl consume when spouting this guff (but I suppose its much wider given the US dimension I am seeing but don't have time right now to process). I suspect Orwell has had an incredibly destructive effect on British politics that is being felt in a partic way at this very moment. I've got to read that Raymond Williams book on him to think about this.

the godawful right-wing comic strip mallard fillmore was like 50 percent "jokes" about liberals sipping lattes. it was almost kind of impressive how many latte-related ideas the guy managed to come up with.

Muscular Labourarity is an unfortunate legacy that Orwell has left for right wing cocks in denial

it seems wrong that politically bad drinking ranges from sipping via quaffing and slurping to swilling but politically bad eating features only munching

Omg

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nibbling! good call

(tho nail-nibbling does not strictly speaking belong with the others)

thought maybe its appeal had broadened since the 80s

can't help wondering why right wingers don't find themselves constantly disappointed by comrades who turn out to secret lefies

Oh wait, "lettuce-munching" = ARUGULA.

...which has been part of every McDonalds salad for years now

Alexei Sayle did this sort of stuff back when he was a bad Bootle alt. comic... as opposed to whatever it is he is now.

https://twitter.com/stephenkb/status/803913297598812160

an national embarrassment iirc xp

The food in question is always soft, pale and a bit foreign.

In the UK this goes back at least as far as the Macaronis of the C18th.

The thing I remember about the Mandelson/guacamole story is that when it appeared in the Guardian they felt the need to make clear to their readers that the "Scallops 50p" that could be seen on the chippy's price list in the accompanying photo were in fact slices of deep-fried potato in batter, and not Coquilles St-Jacques.

i'm guessing since it's a seaport that you could actually also buy shellfish in hartlepool even in the 1980s, though maybe not at a chippie

Thread reminds me of this - a story which sort of sums up Enda Kenny for me:

On to the Omni Park centre in Santry. Enda went to his favourite canvassing spot – a cafe. He whacked a man on the back to announce his presence, moving swiftly on as the man removed his fork to check if he still had any teeth. He sat beside a couple having their breakfast and cooed at their baby. Then he left them, bewildered, in his wake.
What did he say? “The beans and the rashers,” replied the Dad. “He just said ‘the beans and the rashers’.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GrX1TiJ_gwY/US6TNrwmLrI/AAAAAAAAALg/bQdDmTzqfHM/s1600/BNO_FATTY_beans.jpg http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZpBZlXGOpS8/UiD_LviwOKI/AAAAAAAAAto/uhIInP83SJU/s1600/rasher

(the pig is called rasher)

i found these images while hunting for an image of a phenom in uk comics (=beano and dandy, not 2000AD) of slap-up feeds that consisted of ICE CREAM AND CHIPS (a huge mound of ice cream with chips sticking out of it, much as you see bangers & mash depicted in the same comics, except it was ice cream and chips)

i specifically recall these as an occasional item in the three bears (persistent story = the three bears eat a lot, cannot pay, are required to do the washing up) and bad penny (a lesser known version of minnie the minx and beryl the peril)

i remember being baffled by this aged 7 or so and asking mum why they were eating ice cream and chips -- and her saying the 1967 equivalent of "because it's two great tastes together at last"

fuckin hell, hungry now

Googling bangers and mash, was reminded of these two rapscallions:

http://schoolreading70sbooks.weebly.com/uploads/2/0/5/5/20553238/6138925_orig.jpg

There was also a tv show, with, iirc, a theme tune by Chas and Dave.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/ff/Quichereilawjd.gif

http://schoolreading70sbooks.weebly.com/uploads/2/0/5/5/20553238/2147320.jpg

One day this summer I was riding through Letchworth when the bus stopped and two dreadful-looking old men got on to it. They were both about sixty, both very short, pink, and chubby, and both hatless. One of them was obscenely bald, the other had long grey hair bobbed in the Lloyd George style. They were dressed in pistachio-coloured shirts and khaki shorts into which their huge bottoms were crammed so tightly that you could study every dimple.

Probably not socialists. Just from Letchworth

"obscenely bald" oh noes how disgusting

a bobby charlton-style combover counts as 'obscenely bald' imo

that one might be a bit offensive to Stephen Kinnock.

classic enda

how on earth he managed to be pm of ireland for so so long is beyond me...

This week's Economist described posh, Conservative-voting villages as "gin and jag" towns. As if poor people don't drink gin. Or have crying jags.

"latte-sipping, cum-guzzling"

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just reddit :(

@andyburnhammp

Bit bizarre hearing these right-wing calls for a "Barista Visa". God forbid the idea of waiting longer in the morning for their posh coffee

^^^suspect this was actually a poorly formed joke abt typical journalist priorities -- nicknaming the visa for pret staff rather than say carers -- but of course it has landed as an attempt to revisit owen smith's "frothy coffee in a mug" triumph

Andy Burnham - too real for Starbucks

he should have a pop at this American "hammed burger" nonsense next

It's a good formula though - just add "posh" or "organic" before something innocuous/foreign/innocuously foreign = instant "man of the people"

Posh coffee
Posh lettuce
Posh hamburgers
Organic falafels
Etc

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/apr/26/dip-back-in-beat-the-hummus-crisis-with-this-quick-recipe

Obviously this is peak-Guardian, and as a red-blooded male I was unaware that the hummus crisis was even a thing, but this is self-evidently part of a right-wing conspiracy to starve Corbyn supporters to death ahead of the general election.

Hummus crisis mentioned on HIGNFY last night too, complete with "this is a disaster for us liberal media elite types" self-flagellation.

I heard an interview with some dude who wrote a book about Hummus and he was very dismissive of what passes for it in the UK. He stated if you haven't tried freshly made Hummus from the Middle East or Israel then you really don't know what it truly is. I'll be looking to see if the Hummus Crisis has hit my local Co-op laters!

"You will need tahini. Nigella Lawson prefers peanut butter"

You metropolitan elites are savages!

the turkish-run cornershop where they call me "boss" if anything has more cheap hummus than usual at the moment

(i am not their actual boss)

There is no scarcity of it's base ingredients, so it pretty much isn't a crisis.

there is literally endless hummus every time i go in the supermarket, wtf is this alleged shortage supposed to be?

one of the suppliers who sells to Sainsburies/Waitrose has manufacturing problems. It is just some wacky Ed Balls Day type meme really.

nobody ever knocks taramasalata-munchers just because of the physical difficulty of reading it

turks i know always just call it tarama (which makes sense bcz salata means salad)

houmous memes are the most disgusting savage shit ever

admittedly this is the one thing I get to be all dayo about

Pity u spelt it wrong so there boss

حُمُّص

houmous memes are the most disgusting savage shit ever

admittedly this is the one thing I get to be all dayo about

why? why on earth could anyone have a reaction to a bland few stories about the lack of humus in supermarkets?

hummus*

before anyone soils themselves

Applause

Good thread.

What are the actual class-signifying tastes and products and buying choices etc at the moment? Are there any? Or would that be separate thread

I think quinoa has overtaken croissants as the middle class plat du jour.

Houses

Spelling of humus is a massive unexplored system of cultural fault lines tbh.

muhammara >>> hummus

Good thread.

What are the actual class-signifying tastes and products and buying choices etc at the moment? Are there any? Or would that be separate thread

kale

I have just made a delicious batch of Kale/Spinach/Potato/Leek soup this morning, so that's my wannabe middle class foodie hipster action of the day done with!

i just had the classic full english sunday fry-up: bacon, scrambled egg, fried chorizo, toasted croissant CRUNCH CRUNCH MUNCH MUNCH

all from the turkish cornershop, this is not fancy food

you are a citizen of nowhere

i had devilled eggs and asparagus - to the gulag with me

I read that (in an Irish accent) as bedeviled eggs - don't you be eating those evil balls of corruption, now!

I think darragh otm. As soon as a food becomes well-known enough to be noticed as a class signifier, it's already spread to more or less everyone's shop/dinner table. But people say 'food-munching' instead of 'house-owning' or '30k-plus-earning'

divilled eggs

bevelled uggs

gluten free

"Maybe she has never eaten chips before - at least not without a knife and fork"

https://instagram.com/p/BTmI45shWQ-/

V. poor attempt at reverse-hummusing by Guardian there

gluten free

Keep your eye on this one. Morrisons already have a big section in their stores - bigger than Waitrose's - and produce their own gluten free products.

V. poor attempt at reverse-hummusing by Guardian there

One thing that I think is still assumed with tory politicians - May, Cameron, even Boris, though not UKIP - is that of course they're not in touch with the common man, they are our betters and we could hardly expect them to eat the trash we do, but they want the best for us and know how to rule. Labour types, meanwhile, are supposed to be of the people and can be derided if they fail to do so.

the ones who feign the common touch are more despicable than the ones who clearly don't have it.

what even is "the common touch" - nobody i know has it, it seems like an uncommon, freakish construction itself.

to the point that you hear "politician" used as an insult for someone who behaves in a false manner.

This guy gets it.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/03/18/article-2295489-18A9EC7E000005DC-859_634x500.jpg

This one doesn't.

http://i3.liverpoolecho.co.uk/incoming/article11685043.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/JS95958635.jpg

jacob rees-mogg: forever cursed to appear both 12 years old and 60 years old simultaneously

It's HIGNFY syndrome: presenting a jokey (but not actually funny) observation that the observer knows is clearly untrue, to an audience who also clearly understands that the observation is untrue, and that the joke could be funnier, but laughs anyway.

you seem to have misspelled 'ilxor' as 'hignfy' there

^^^could be funnier

the ouroubous of debatable humour

ouroboros johnson mp

sir ouroboros pickles

You won't find a better two-word punchline than this. pic.twitter.com/nwiMw08EKW

— hrtbps (@hrtbps) October 5, 2017

UK MPs are calling for a "latte levy" on disposable coffee cups - and a total ban unless recycling improves. What would make you switch from disposal cups? #BBCBizlivehttps://t.co/JtpDG38KtL pic.twitter.com/Ngu84t9Pk9

— BBC News (UK) (@BBCNews) January 5, 2018

as LocalGarda pointed out on twitter, it's actually just a "coffee levy"

Cofveve for short

*eyes widen*

(in fact it should be PLASTIC CUP LEVY)

*drops coffee cup*

*it's styrofoam so nothing dramatic happens*

the only acceptable working class soft drink is tea in a mug apparently. fuck that.

Guess Piers likes croissants and lattes.

To all demented anti-Trump haters already working themselves into a steaming rage about my new interview, here’s an idea: don’t watch it. Just put your sandals on, eat some lentils & smoke some waccy baccy. But don’t watch, it will only make you scweam & scweam until you’re sick. pic.twitter.com/RCD1Bo3uB9

— Piers Morgan (@piersmorgan) July 13, 2018

Not sure what’s wrong with sandals or lentils.

great thread

not sure what's wrong with waccy baccy either tbh

Piers is waccy enough already

he's never struck me as a downers man

Is there something to be said in this connection about the tradition of newspaper journalists getting very worked up because a celebrity has been found ... taking cocaine??!!?

I find all this really interesting though. I was in the shop just now - all these demonised things, the hummus, kale, qinoa, lattes, organic, etc, etc, are all thoroughly standard. Everywhere. Cheap. Everyone buying them. And the food options in lowest common denominator beer and a burger pubs are all, you know, done up so as to include all this stuff.

At some point in the 1980s quiche became the totem food that ultra-manly men claimed all unmanly men regaled themselves upon. Now it's just... quiche.

'The Botanist' chain of pubs and the status of prosecco must fit into this too.

Maybe the demonisation of the ____ munching, _____ swilling liberals is less to do with their supposedly luxurious tastes (as the accuser implies or want us to think) and more to do with how normal they are, how on-trend? They only have liberal opinions because it's fashionable, see, just like lattes and hummus are fashionable?

Morgan has always acted about 20 years older than he really is. It's strange.

there has been a bit of a Kale backlash in recent times and I'm a bit of a fan tbh, although I did lol the other day when some bitchy celeb-chef type dismissed it as "basic winter food for cows".

Kale was extremely old-fashioned and unpopular just two decades ago.

their supposedly luxurious tastes (as the accuser implies or want us to think)

Note that they never refer to something actually luxurious, e.g. "liberal elites driving BMWs to their ski vacations". Not that I fully understand this rhetorical move but it seems to depend on some sort of David Brooks worldview where class differences have more to do with cultural refinement/sophistication/snobbery than actual wealth - the latter of which might actually be a sign of being in touch with the interests and concerns of the common man. In the last round of debates for the Conservative Party leadership in Canada, one Canada said something dismissive of economists like "when have you seen a wealthy economist? They're sitting in ivory towers, sipping on tea and coffee [latte?], instead of making money."

how many Canadas you got anyhow

Ha, candidate, sorry. Too much wine.

Sipped a Pinot Noir like the elitist I am.

Note that they never refer to something actually luxurious, e.g. "liberal elites driving BMWs to their ski vacations"

Ahhhhhh yes this feels like a key point. Because that would bring questions of wealth into play.

ctrl-f "avocado toast"

^^what I ate for lunch

Never seen them going more than about a quid

i haven't read this yet but judging by reviews and the author's twitter it's the book of the thread:

https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/e76fb582-cde2-496e-b7e1-469f4952f149_1.f66c6e3fe6ea02688066ae5108109eaa.jpeg?odnHeight=450&odnWidth=450&odnBg=FFFFFF

omg that cover

my first thought was: Is that Berkoff in the middle. But as a cover design it is some ugly, lazy shit!

the book looks good but yes they shd have gone with the wall of gammon (crepey meatstuffs remix)

A chapter on The Dialectics of Banter revisits the sitcoms of the 1990s, characterising their mandated wackiness as a kind of “inverted sententiousness”, and noting that a similar sense of performative proletarian iconoclasm also informed the works of Young British Artists such as Tracey Emin and Damien Hirst.

might check it out, he said in a preformative prole voice!

i mean that's a p terrible read of most of hirst's OR emin's work

Got involved in a convo with him a few months ago and I think he either posted or lurked on ilx 10+ years ago.

yes not their *work, but not on how they presented themselves to the media, but it would be a more appropriate description of Sarah Lucas' work, perhaps.

* or absolute fucking garbage, as I'd call it!

TS: wall of gammon vs wallogina

xyzzzz__: yes i'm p sure he's a one-time denizen of dissensus, he's buds with all the right types

(lol that came across more snidey than intended)

lol he didn't seem to like ilx very much. Very much one of the K-Punk (blog-era) lot, I think.

tbf the secret motto of dissensus was "butthurt about ilx"

yup.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/10/31/global-britain-can-exist-immigration-time-conservatives-relearnt/

"It’s time to face facts: liberals have lost the battle on immigration. Despite our self-assuring groupthink, where we gather around our almond-milk lattes and grumble about the backlash to our treasured freedom of movement, it’s becoming increasingly clear that most of the country thinks we’re badly out of touch. It appears as though we, in our metropolitan hubs, haven’t clocked the wider effects of immigration on working class people and on individual communities."

a series of comment pieces by young people, for young people, to provide a free-market response to Britain's biggest issues

One of them's by Liz Truss, 43.

individual communities under the sea

i'm not the world's biggest atrios fan (and was thinking UK-wards when i started the thread) but this:

centrist pundit: elitist liberals and their starbucks-going latte-swilling ways will never play in real america

also centrist pundit: what real americans in the heartland want is the billionaire guy who made starbucks

— Atrios (@Atrios) January 31, 2019

Tbf does anyone actually support Schultz’s presidential bid?

centrist pundits iirc

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/oct/05/north-london-trail-of-the-liberal-elite

"a journey"

Presumably John Harris is stuck in Stoke.

Stephen Kinnock, married to the former PM of Denmark, is on LBC talking with contempt about "people who go to coffee bars in London."

— Frédéric Moreau (@goodclimate) December 18, 2019

rest assured stephen that your insistence on supporting the status quo will soon lead to the global collapse of agriculture so no-one will be visiting coffee bars ever again, congrats

Stephen, is that you?
https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/jun/02/how-i-eat-stephen-kinnock-mp

Given that there's a 'coffee bar' every 50 yards or so on every street in London, who exactly is he talking about?

he likes a bit of salt-of-the-earth on his chips, after they've been pissed on!

I’m a creature of habit – my breakfast is always a bowl of porridge and an orange. I chop up the orange and chomp on the inside of it.

god i'd forgotten about this, absolutely cursed content

"... then I put the peel in my mouth and make like I've got orange teeth."

Next he'll be saying he rubs oxo cubes on it

that whole piece is the diary of somebody who doesn't require human like food

“If you want to figure out what characters around Putin might do, or how international criminal gangs might exploit holes in our border security, you don’t want more Oxbridge English graduates who chat about [French psychoanalyst Jacques] Lacan at dinner parties with TV producers and spread fake news about fake news,”

ilx apply for the cummings job

He is the poster boy for middle class self-loathing.

Christ, this muppet is supposed to be a master of the dark arts and he's using "fake news about fake news". What did the chattering classes do to deserve such biting social commentary.

Just walked past this ugly faux farmhouse type abode with the fake mews. Pretentious bloody croissant munching...

Is that crazy Dom name-checking Lacan? Looking forward to the Sun explaining him to their readers people who look at pictures

he's finally getting back at all those pricks. he'll show them!!

"The North London polenta-eating intelligentsia can’t cope with a North East accent challenging their preconceptions of what they think is best for the hoi-polloi".

Darren Grimes, still angling for a job at GB News

where on earth has he got the polenta thing from?

it just sounds fancy, I think.

Don’t tell me you never noticed how the ruling classes are always wolfing down Italian grits.

maybe tom harwood posted a picture of some polenta on his instagram

I was sure this bump would be about the John Harris tweet (in which the croissants were only implied)

polenta doesn't really make much of a meal or snack on its own though

Polenta (mămăligă) is the ultimate peasant food in Romania so seeing it cited itt is amusing.

I think of it as coarse corn flour, like the first time I bought it was to make some cornbread which is probably a trailer park staple in the US!

Should have used "LaCroix-sipping" for the rhyme with hoi polloi.

Or maybe "bok choy".

Hoi polloi means commoners tho

But ppl often mistakenly use it to mean the opposite so it fits itt

i thought this polenta thing was made up today, but it seems to originate from late-90s river cafe menus which have conned a whole generation of right wing pundits into believing that polenta is expensive pic.twitter.com/kCmqfqEdx3

— jonathan nunn (@demarionunn) June 4, 2021

Also Derwood should know that it’s wrong to put ‘the’ before ‘hoi polloi’.

polenta-eating intelligentsia

Pictured:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYO4e0uHVDk

Oh I missed hoi polloi in the grimes quote, thought peace man was just talking about the thread title

'The hoi polloi' is perfectly fine in English, as is 'chai tea', 'Sharia law' or 'the La Brea tar pits'.

"shrimp scampi"

scampi fry-crunching cognoscenti

polentaful

Hoi polloi means commoners tho

― The 💨 that shook the barlow (wins), Friday, June 4, 2021 2:40 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

But ppl often mistakenly use it to mean the opposite so it fits itt

― The 💨 that shook the barlow (wins), Friday, June 4, 2021 2:40 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah, I think it's often confused for "hoity toity".

Hoi polloi means commoners tho

"their preconceptions of what they think is best for the hoi-polloi"

yes he certainly is, wins at first missed the Darren Grimes quote and thought peace, man was commenting on the thread title.

or something like that

no hoi polloi/twitter embeds politics thread

just thinking about that time d-mac attempted a "no hoi polloi" politics thread - which I think was in response to a snarky post I made!

well half of the thread title I mean

TIL how to pronounce La Croix

...sweetie?

Hoi polloienta

> polenta-eating intelligentsia

polentelligentsia

polentascenti

it's just highfalutin' corn meal mush

PoneHub

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/02/food-choices-proxy-class-britain

that's a decent piece on the oat milk swilling Ocado elite! Can't people have been picking on polenta again.

a 375g packet of polenta costs £2 at Ocado

resist oat milk though, especially the milkshakes that are treble the price of the dairy ones.

Good first paragraph to that piece. I use oat milk for porridge but don't like the taste of it with coffee at all.

i tried it with porridge and didn't love the taste but i cd probably adapt but i don't use milk much anyway. my daughter has a real thing for oat milk coffee lattes and such but she swears she's developed a bit of lactose intolerance

I prefer the lighter qualities of UHT milk in my coffee and for sauces. But I did read that the rise in severe allergies is connected with old school milk going out of fashion and all the lovely bacteria in it was good for us.

snooty-toby-young-dumbfounded-when-scarborough-coffee-shop-doesnt-know-what-a-contradiction-is

lol came here much too slow to post that piece

guardian is good when it hires good writers to write good pieces

grouse is terrific if it's been hung properly btw

(by the neck until dead, like er landlords)

... or Toby Young.

toby young is never terrific: this is the hill i will die on

(from overcrowding)

Good first paragraph to that piece. I use oat milk for porridge but don't like the taste of it with coffee at all.

― nashwan, Saturday, 2 October 2021 bookmarkflaglink

See I really like the creamy that oat milk gives to coffee.

look i’m not implying that the guardian commenters aren’t extremely normal people, but there’s a whole thread on my article on food and class debating whether victorian sex workers would have had good teeth or not pic.twitter.com/HbmdeDsL54

— axaxaxas lmaö (@demarionunn) October 2, 2021

https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/people/rob-beckett-working-class-man-breeding-middle-class-children-1248571

What is it with avocados as a lazy shorthand for middle-class signifiers? No one ate avocados back then Rob. The reason your kids are eating them is cos they're less than a quid at Aldi.

God knows it should be possible to write something at least mildly interesting about code switching, working class insecurity/inferiority complex and even the dread chips on shoulders but Christ I feel my soul start to leave my body when I see all these lame signifiers pile up, I was surprised not to read the words Ocado or Spoons in that piece but maybe he’s saving the good stuff for the book

it is bizarre that we are awash in this sea of class codes and the people paid money to write about it cannot for the life of them see any of it

can't believe a stand-up comedian wrote a lazy piece of shit

at least it's not "hoummous" any more
<reads piece>

oh, it is.

Houmousse? Houmousse? Never 'eard of it

I thought it was Hummus? And you can't argue with me I'm that posh I cook homemade falafels and sneer at terrible recipes that use tinned chickpeas!

thought you could spell it any way! but I remember a terrible Russell Kane bit years ago about CORIANDER and HUMMUS hawhaw,
I recently had friends incredulous when I told them we had powdered milk growing up. Think it was St Ivel. I definitely feel like a bit of a fraud in "normal" circles at times.

should be a full stop after "hawhaw" there. Me drinking shitty milk is nowt to do with Russell Kane.

I once heard an excellent interview with a hummus/hoummous expert who'd wrote a book on it and he basically said most of what passes for it in the UK is 3rd rate gack and barely resembles the real stuff you'd get in a Middle Eastern cafe. I dig that kind of food snobbery!

I did actually find myself making my own hummus on a few occasions. And baba ganoush!

That article is dire. Another poor elevator pitch to an agent uncomfortably stretched out to book form when it struggles to be of interest or entertainment as an article.You can practically feel the embarrassment of writing this slush coming off the page.

(I'm just o_O that his book is £20!)

((8/10 cats team captain or not))

(I'm just o_O that his book is £20!)

It'll be 99p soon enough.

I'll have it on my toast at that price point!

Another charity shop destined classic, who the fuck would want to read Rob Beckett's opinion on anything.

There's going to be some very unhappy dads getting this shit for their Christmas this year, look for the divorce rate to start climbing in the new year.

Not quite satisfying the remit of the thread but look at this classic piece of nonsense Tom Tugentwat has just come out with.

"If we cannot speak to that country then the separatists, the socialists, and the sandal-wearers will tear our great country down. They will reverse Brexit and drag us into a decade of decline."

at this point i'm desperate enough to support a popular front of separatists, socialists and sandal-wearers to crush tory reaction for good. if those only those groups had the coherence and power and discipline attributed to them by the right

if we had actual democratic discourse in this country no tory could be able to get away with warnings about "a decade of decline" ffs

Captain Tugwash loses points for not going with 'sandalnistas'

Poster Left makes a good point: we've just had a decade of decline.

On the other hand, in September 2012 the average house price in the UK was £162,080:
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2013/jan/29/house-prices-creep-up-2012-land-registry

Whereas now a house is £289,099:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/jun/08/average-uk-house-price-hits-record-but-market-starts-to-cool

Can you imagine the nightmare of a Labour government? House prices might have gone down.

Until I read this article I did not know that "No potatoes! No Popery!" was a Conservative campaign slogan in Lewes in 1765.

https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/tofu-eating-wokerati-suella-braverman-embarrassing-labour-guardian-lib-dem-b1033854.html

one of these things is not like the other!

just in case of linkrot i think it is important to preserve “tofu-eating wokerati” here in a kind of semi-perpetuity

Mmmmmm, croissants.

everyone loves to munch em

'woke' has been fully ceded to the Right, I hear it 1000% times more from them than I've ever heard from starry-eyed do-gooder lefties

Stay woke, buy these cookies

“tofu-eating wokerati” sounds v racist against people who cook tofu in woks

woke is just the normie version of cucked now

tofu does not deserve this (also doesn't deserve the way people cook it in the west)

Woke-fu

men who eat tofu are basically being cuckolded by something foreign and might as well be women

the tofu-eating wokerati is transing your kids

'tofu-eating wokerati' will end up on Ted Nugent's next album, can almost guarantee it

or Ian Brown

Critical Race Tofu

Everybody was tofu fighting

Carl Douglas cancelled for appropriation of ancient Chinese art

I'd like to fu, but my wife still hasn't forgiven me for the last time I wokerati

The people least likely to say "you go first" in Lidl when they've got a month's shopping & you've got six apples & a paper are the ones with spending £100+ on kale, blueberries and beansprouts etc

— John Harris (@johnharris1969) November 15, 2022

ah that famously elitist food, vegetables

you can get a huge bag of kale for less than a quid and I've heard it derided by a sophisticated foodie as "basically cattle-feed". Anyway I like it in soups and macaroni cheese so stick your apples up your arrisehole and what kind of a dick goes into Lidl to buy a newspaper.

man john harris is fumin eh

Shocking that someone trying to feed a family on a budget won’t make way for a posh journo cunt giving it the “ee I only eat apples and paper me”

It's fun when he shows you what a peevish little runt he is rather than hiding behind a bunch of northern pensioner sock puppets

Very, very strange tweet from JH. Deserves to stand in infamy.

Personally I would never spend £100 in a supermarket (might do with an online order) but people who do are presumably feeding a family for a week - as poster Wins says.

So JH is opposed to people feeding a family, if they eat fruit and vegetables.

Though JH has probably also written columns saying things like "part of the problem is diet - how can we get more working-class communities eating healthily and increasing their life chances?".

So he should not be opposed to any family eating fruit and vegetables.

It's an unusually bad take even from him.

Also: surely the truth about who "goes first" in a queue is - whoever is first in the queue. Most of the time this is simple, not a matter of debate.

queueing a bit longer is priced in at Lidl, there are less checkouts than other supermarkets. Everyone knows this.

Well, it is nice and polite when someone with hundreds of items in their trolly offers to let me, with only my TV Choice and low fat Olive spread in my basket, go ahead of them in the queue, and this has happened to me quite often in my local Lidl. But it's not a source of tweet-grievance when it doesn't happen.

Now I know why I don't shop at Lidl, in case I bump in to John Harris

https://i.imgur.com/gfeK24A.jpg

who to believe

doesnt he live on the england-wales border, he shd go to a SPAR and shut up

the second first obv

The Govan Lidl, my local, doesn't have self-checkout (yet). Perhaps Lidls on the England-Wales border are also without (yet).

I've never seen a self-checkout in a Lidl albeit ime of 3 branches in w yorkshire

my nearest has self-checkout, it's still a queue

The only time I use a cashier at Lidl is when I have a 12kg bag of working dog kibble in my cart and there’s no way I’d want or be able to hoik it onto the packing area sensor.

Are blueberries a thing we’re supposed to hate? Blueberries? It’s just… weird.

Wait, what?

they're sort of foreign and delicate. I guess blackberries would be the more acceptable british proletarian choice, if any fruit is acceptable

kale is sort of frilly and lacey so clearly not appropriate for the working man who likes his cabbage straight

Funk-loving blueberry-eating southerners

Twitter search function still works.

He's done this a number of times pic.twitter.com/naSahNNDU8

— j (@jrc1921) November 16, 2022

lol at that Twitter

you've no right to be taking up queuing space in Lidl buying blackberries when they're growing for free in the good old British hedgerows!

the idea of judging someone buying alcohol-free beer. like, give it a second’s thought, man.

the whole thing is literal entitlement: he should get to jump the queue because he’s better than them.

"alcohol free Becks perhaps a giveaway"

oh do expand John please

lol same thought same moment Tracer

it's the authentic tone of New Labour tbfttl

A bag of crisps and a lemon!?!? Lidl should introduce a minimum purchase policy to keep the cunt out of their stores.

someone should introduce the lad to the concept of corner shops, no????

The tweet is weird but the repetition is deranged. Like he's not even perfecting a joke. At least Adrian Chiles has the good grace to write a column once.

john i need some batteries can you go to B&Q for me

Lidl has no self-checkout.

Yrs, from the England/Wales border.

Lidl Checkout Truthers for Justice

My local Lidl had self checkouts, but they removed them as when someone had something with a reduced sticker it wouldn’t scan and so had to drag one of the cashiers away from the till.

My local Lidl has more self checkouts than any other supermarket in the area - more state of the art checkouts too.

I go to that Lidl a few times a month.

a state-of-the-art checkout is where the queue is automatically sorted and reoorganised for numbers of items in yr basket

makes sense to prioritise customers who are spending more. if you're just buying crisps and a lemon, eh you can wait all day pal

if he had any brains he'd eat the lemon in the store and not pay

and if he had the plums he'd eat the crisps too

I can still remember when supermarkets had checkout lines for people with only a few items (typically the limit was something like 10 or 15 items). Of course there were scofflaws but at least you could glower righteously at them.

Those still exist!

we have those here, and you best believe I'm glowering

The more I think about JH's tweets the more awful they seem.

His attack on someone for drinking low-alcohol beer is vile.

this piece got mentioned a few times in the replies:

lmfao, you threw a tantrum and chucked all your groceries into the garden because your breadwinner girlfriend didn’t like some fancy cheesehttps://t.co/FizZ1WLG2D pic.twitter.com/dEJuYsbZfk

— ਜੀਵਨ ਰਾਏ🔻 (@jeevanrai) November 16, 2022

This is like a 'croissant-eating elitists' AI gone rampant https://t.co/7Jm7xlgWII

— We Dont Talk About The Weather (@WDTATW_Podcast) November 16, 2022

I am walking/biking distance from four grocery stores; four more are a short drive away. At almost all of them, limited-items "express" lanes are the only ones that are handicapped accessible. By USian law, they must be staffed. Because if there is only one cash register open it must be the accessible one.

Unfortunately there is nothing that says any other checkout lanes need to be staffed. And mostly, they aren't. The situation in my area for the last decade has been acres of lovely glossy well-stocked grocery stores each of which has eight or nine gleaming cash registers. Most of the time seven or eight of them sit unused, because there is precisely one (1) cashier.

To make it even more fun, the only person who can resolve problems with self-checkout is also the person who is that single non-robotic cashier. AND for still more fun, a purchase involving an age-restricted product has required direct intervention from that one (1) employee.

So on a Friday evening when I and every other middle-aged geezer in my neighborhood are trying to go through self-checkout with a bottle of wine, an employee must come by and literally scan the barcode of my driver's license to allow me to purchase that evening's middling Pinot Grigio.

Yes, Safeway, thank you for instituting a business process to determine that I am not, in fact, I am a 19-year-old teenager in a business suit who has grey hair and bifocals with two preteen children and a mortgage and an aging Honda sedan. Good and necessary law enforcement going on.

Stores will blame a "labor shortage" but we know that "labor shortage" is a euphemism for corporate greed, of course. The solution of hiring more people and paying them adequately apparently has yet to occur to the industry. But that is a topic for another day.

FWIW if I am buying two things and someone else is buying 50 things, you know what I do? Wait my fucking turn, like every other sane human. You are not special because you only want an apple and a newspaper.

The blazing row about Y-Fenni cheese was not really about Y-Fenni cheese.

"FWIW if I am buying two things and someone else is buying 50 things, you know what I do? Wait my fucking turn, like every other sane human. You are not special because you only want an apple and a newspaper."

Poster Puffin is correct.

It's such common sense!

"The tweet is weird but the repetition is deranged. Like he's not even perfecting a joke. At least Adrian Chiles has the good grace to write a column once."

This was such a good post from poster Tatum. So accurate.

The thing I can't get my head round is ... for an ordinary civilian to do what JH has done, repeatedly publishing statements about discontent with shoppers at a local shop, would be bad and stupid enough. But JH is a well-known journalist whose whole career relies on some idea of his credibility. And these ridiculous posts just keep damaging it further.

he has twitter to vent on now, so he doesn't have to flounce out of the shop and throw his basket into a flowerbed

It's Twitter man, not the Versailles peace conference

— John Harris (@johnharris1969) November 16, 2022

xxp Of course Safeway doesn't allow you to go through self-checkout with alcohol! And where I live, no attendant will just scan your driver's license and allow you to do it.

Self-checkout is good though, there is usually no line and I've gotten fast at using it. I just don't buy alcohol at Safeway anymore

get some kind of sensible perspective on this twitter nonsense says the guy who spent years of his adult life talking in a fake Mancunian accent after listening to an oasis album.

Actually had the experience of a dude coming into a coffee shop asking for a white coffee and the barista asking "do you mean a white americano? a latte?" to the man's increasing frustration. Felt like I was in John Harris' dreams.

Should have asked for a frothy coffee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXRLoJQK8f0

"I don't want to wash my clothes in it"

love it!

i love how everybody in that clip is apparently just permanently enraged

I'm always fascinated by what is considered to be 'metropolitan elite' activity. It used to be knowing what guacamole was, or drinking expensive coffee. Now it's apparently been reduced to 'enjoying a roast chicken' https://t.co/lJ2fxbShyA

— Adam Bienkov (@AdamBienkov) March 5, 2023

pic.twitter.com/5y76cWgj1N

— Nam Isti Faciunt 🥶 (@ytrehodof) March 6, 2023

cannot think of a more commonly loathed foodstuff than mushy peas. I expect he hates the things too.

I like mushy peas?

kieth cd be the solomon of this stupid fake conundrum by repping for guacamole made with peas

just normal innocent questions no deeper meaning none

$18 guacamole toast was created just to get a rise out of folks

I love the incidental taste fusion you get when the vinegar drenched mushy peas messily coalesces into the curry sauce on the plate and creates a very sophisticated blend of flavours, yah. Nah, actually I'm being serious here! Kieth's facial complexion makes him look like he has had an overnight soaking in bicarb of soda, the ugly twat

Bit of ketchup and mayonnaise making contact with the mushy peas plus a scattering of fry babies, mmm.

cannot think of a more commonly loathed foodstuff than mushy peas. I expect he hates the things too.

Mushy peas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guacamole

all variations of split pea soup are great as well, but being soup + having multiple ingredients it won't get co-opted as an authentocrat staple. But still it's like a cousin of mushy peas or something.

I still insist those hard peas in vinegar in paper cups I used to eat when on holidays in Blackpool as a kid are the greatest food I've ever experienced.

mushy peas, guacamole, babaganoosh, houmous, mashed potato, mashed swede, any kind of mashed veg with or without herbs and spices are good IMO

These are all good but a good dal / dahl / daal beats all of them.

Okay, maybe not babaganoush

combos of mashed potato/swede/parsnips/yam with soured cream and butter ... fuck yeah!

some butternut squash in there as well

Peas are listed as always available (link below) so Kieth will have to get used to stuffing himself with mushy peas whether he likes it or not.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/food/articles/always_available_veg

I like good mushy peas, but only with fish & chips.

Tend to agree they're better than guacamole.

I'm not sure it's even fair to compare those two.. one is a green fresh fruit, the other a legume boiled to hell and back

yes they're both green but the similarity ends there

I just want to point out for people who may not be aware that the weird dichotomy originates from this apocryphal story:

The stories told against Peter Mandelson are much more numerous than the stories he's alleged to have told against others. There's the one about the time he went down to his Hartlepool constituency intent on being one of the lads. The lads went for a bag of fish and chips and Mandelson spotted a side order of mid-green hue. "Guacamole!" he is said to have remarked delightedly. The lads identified them as mushy peas.

Listen to @helenlewis on @JolyonRubs' hilarious new podcast #WeNeedToTalkAbout exclusively on Spotify. https://t.co/pkWVNfJxmm pic.twitter.com/kxGfgUesq7

— Spotify UK & Ireland (@SpotifyUK) October 13, 2017

there’s a bit of crossover with the nationalism discussion too imo

#onethread

Also Mexican food is not exactly as well established in the UK as it is in the US - not surprisingly.

ok I will now accept that a substantial amount of you weirdos actually enjoy eating mushy peas

thank you gyac for that larger context!

gyacamole

Guacamole is put on nachos at like Wetherspoons & feels an odd fit even for the “croissants are fancy foreign muck for out of touch elites” type bullshit but it’s important to remember the smooth brained pundit class on both sides of the Atlantic are committed to being extremely weird about avocados

saw a black & white era episode of steptoe & son once and Harold was being a pretentious food snob by... going out to a Chinese restaurant

there's a probably apocryphal story about General Westmoreland inviting a group of combat troops in Vietnam out for a drink on him. "Get these boys a beer... and I'll have a Courvoisier, neat."

The Mandelson story was a joke made by Neil Kinnock at Mandy’s expense. Some accounts say the guilty party was an American intern working for him.

By this stage, whether it actually happened is definitely not the important part, though.

The video that poster gyac posted is extraordinarily bad.

The fact that Lewis thinks they don't drink coffee in Detroit (maybe only on the main streets, but definitely not the back ones) is bad enough.

But the entire ambience - the frantic laughter - it's almost scary.

There's an old Red Dwarf episode where Lister is appalled at fancy-dan types who go around drinking wine.

lol yes

there's also a RD ep where they say the end of Perrier water lead to the extinction of the middle classes

part of the irony of this is that Lister grows up in the late 21st century where some kind of bizarre accident has obviously reverted lazy class signifiers back to 1983

Actually had the experience of a dude coming into a coffee shop asking for a white coffee and the barista asking "do you mean a white americano? a latte?" to the man's increasing frustration. Felt like I was in John Harris' dreams.

I was in a cafe last year that had white coffee on the menu. I can't remember noticing that before, but maybe its not that uncommon I just didn't notice

I've seen it in more traditional caffs.

In my experience if you go into basic scruffy sandwich shops or caffs or the takeaways operating from portable units on industrial estates or near motorways. Dangerously scalding plain instant coffee or tea in a little white polystyrene cup are the only options. That is why that much derided coffee scene in Top Boy did connect differently with some people from the lower orders! But I haven't been to one of these places in over a decade so perhaps things have changed some since.

Hot water coming straight down from the black nozzle of a massive stainless steel vat of water kept at a steady plasma-level temp

yep

my grandma used to say "coffee boiled is coffee spoiled" but I was always more concerned about the 3rd degree burns on my tongue

croissants ? anchovies !

Oh, trade union organiser. Who'd have thunk this rocket eating, anchovy crunching shopper was a champion of the poor. Typical champagne socialist.

— Mighty Quinn No269 (@antianti69) March 24, 2023

how do you crunch on an anchovy?

after the revolution, we'll all be champagne socialists, it'll be glorious

tell me you've never eaten anchovies without telling me etc

Ancho V.I. Lenin

Anchoviet Republic

^ much better, thanks Andy

canned anchovies are just a few bucks

less than a quid a tin in the uk, i always have one in the cupboard

I like King Oscar canned sardines, cheap lunch

iirc the food items just have to encode as stuff foreigners eat. it doesn't matter if the coding is outdated and wrong as long as it rings the not-nativist bell

what foreign nationality is coded as anchovist in the UK

Sardinians

a tin of anchovies in aldi is 39p, can think of few cheaper alternatives to get some flavour in your food.

Sorry, but anchovies are now 54p in Aldi as of last night.

Tinned sardines with tomato sauce are 46p, up from 31p last year. I don’t eat these, but my dog does.

it was a tiny can, price noted a couple of days ago

what foreign nationality is coded as anchovist in the UK

you miss my point. it doesn't have to be a particular nationality. it won't even matter if the UK target audience eats anchovies. it only matters how they associate them, in contrast to e.g. kippered herrings which they may not even eat, but strongly encode as nativist.

Ah, maybe there’s a Central London tax at the Old Street Aldi.

Aimless broadly otm here, don’t think there are many egs of this scattershot identification of everyday foods as fancy elite fare that don’t also contain an element of “foreign muck” dogwhistling

also lol bulb after bulb

El mundo es ancho y ajeno

> Sardinians

yes, this deserved more than it got

where's pizza in all this? spaghetti? it's not enough to be foreign

You're the same as him
You're like tinned sardines

Tory manifesto 2024: HOW ABOUT SOME COFFEE-FLAVORED COFFEE

isn't coffee 100% imported?

Victory Coffee for the masses.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Coffee

These big-city elites scoffing chicken korma.

I tried some camp coffee a few months ago. I remember wondering if people were different back then, or if coffee had changed, because it was almost entirely... how did the line go? It was "a cupful of liquid that was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea." It was like a surprisingly accurate recreation of coffee based on entirely on a written description of the taste.

I was tempted to post an image of it on Twitter with a caption to the effect that there's nothing camp about coffee.

Or alternatively some spiel about how the label normalised imperialism. Is the Scottish soldier a perpetrator of imperialism, or a victim? To my eternal regret I held my tongue.

Due to a massive wikipedia rabbit hole, we're walking over to Dean Cemetery to look at his grave today! He is mostly a perpetrator though "Which side do you cheer for in the Boer War?" is always tricky.

Rocket grows wild on the pavement outside my house in London N14.

Got one of those mini almond magnum knock offs from lidl in the freezer , I appreciate it isnt an “goat cheese sorbet” but to us working class northerners with no tube system to take shelter in it is a brief delicious respite from the harsh midday sun https://t.co/q3tPZYEu2I

— Y (@tinscognito__) July 6, 2023

some kind of parallel phenomenon: the adoption of absolutely any variety of mass-produced cheap shit as a signifier of being working class, by people who by any reasonable judgement are not actually working class.

like greggs for example

Like "kappa" bitd

The #1 in that Vittles article btw is an Afghani ice cream place in Ilford mostly servicing the local community, not some haute cuisine thing.

Where's the media-class self-loathing in the original tweet?

goat cheese sorbet

It's in the reply. Though Ruby is hardly media class.

shut the fuck up you weasel faced cunt - can you let this guy, who is an amazing ice cream maker by the way, have his day in the sun? you sad fuck

— ruby tandoh (@rubytandoh) July 6, 2023

obv there are going to be more independent ice cream producing dairy farms in rural parts of the country than in London, there are loads in W Yorkshire, some of them established in the 50's and they seem to be thriving. There is always a queue at the Dixons ice cream shop and it isn't in a posh part of Town - it's near a red light district by the gas works. gl with getting on a rammed tube train full of sweaty, angry, stressed out commuters - just to cool down!

I really like Ruby but she’s not at her best there. There aren’t many likes or RTs on that reply (which was funny!)

Maybe the person replying is a genuine working class northerner with a chip (butty) on their shoulder about "that London" though?

(xps)

the idea that you can take shelter from the heat on the tube is either complete ignorance or a bit

xp they’re not, he is a top tier Twitter troll.

People say it’s only confetti but what if it was depleted uranium?

— Y (@tinscognito__) July 9, 2023

Dunking on London is good and proper but doing so by ridiculing Weird Foreign Foods is p dodgy imo. Ruby otm.

Lol no that post is classic. Y is from the north (Preston I think) and yes, he is just a funny troll who knows exactly what he's doing.

Ruby's reply to that got more RTs than her own piece. Classic twitter.

Oh well if it was classic and epic trolling I take it all back, Y has won the internet.

He has! It's an appreciation revival. No criticism allowed.

unimpressive trolling if you ask me, but I'm just annoyed because it whooshed over me!

Tins is a British Muslim from Preston, it’s a bit for his audience who are all aware of this

oh right - I see it now. Will take note that Tins is NOT Workington Man for the next time I read their posts!

That's the joke jpg

It's a pretty good piece by RT, the piss take enhances it.

Mark Dolan just has fags and a pint of Bass while he eats a pie stuffed with another pie

No way this former stand-up has ever ordered a colourful drink with a foreign name, and he would never swill. More of a chugger. pic.twitter.com/dW3N9HdCUz

— Jack Blackburn 🇺🇦 (@HackBlackburn) July 14, 2023

negroni swilling? is he specifically targeting ILX?

Kayleigh: You flip over to our commander-in-chief leaving his spin class and pilates with a drink in his hand… We did not elect pilates instructor. pic.twitter.com/JCjXaeHoN1

— Acyn (@Acyn) August 24, 2023

how dare he? Trump would never exercise

Fox continues to carry water for Trump even after Trump casts them into the outer darkness.

many of their audience probably think that Pilates is some sort of Christ-killing demon association

also is she implying that he is walking around with an alcoholic beverage? because it looks like a smoothie to me

he went to pilates class, now he thinks he knows shit about plane crash???

graduate pilates school, then talk shit how bout tht

This is just a bingo card

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/a-50-quid-hour-and-a-bit-troll-aphex-twin-at-field-day-reviewed/

if he'd done 2 hours of the hits any true Aphex fan would be outraged

This was an attack, not a gig: stop-start blares, schizophrenic synths, artillery-fire drums with not a hint of structure

I don't see the problem.

Don’t threaten me with a good time!

“underwater basket-weaving”

I have read that there is a native American tradition of weaving baskets in water (to make the materials more pliable). And that the use of the phrase to mean "doing something pointless" is potentially disrespectful.

Much of this sort of thing is pretty racist when ye scratch the surface, and you usually don't have to scratch hard

A course on underwater basket-weaving was genuinely on offer at Reed College when I was a student there back in 1990.

Surprisingly old, per Wikipedia:

"The phrase in its pejorative sense has been used since at least the mid-1950s. According to a 1953 article in the Boston Globe on 'Hepster Lingo,' 'Any snap course in school is "underwater basket weaving.'"

Also seeing references in 1960s congressional hearings, via Google Books:

SENATOR ALLOTT. But excuse me, Mr. Driver, I don't have my correspondence here on this but on this same subject, I am just as interested as you and the chairman or anyone else is in seeing that we don t get into the situation that we were in after World War II where we had universities setting up courses in underwater basket weaving, and all this sort of thing.

MR. MONK. Chicken sexing.

So, it seems to partially reflect an elite anxiety, post-GI Bill, about the opportunities for more people to get college degree through new types of institutions/programs/curricula.

At my college (which is the east coast iteration of Piedie’s one) the ‘underwater basket-weaving’ dig was definitely in common use, even by the students.

lol S my ex who went to your school (we've talked about this before) did a semester at Reed because of course he did.

My dad LOVED to use the underwater basket weaving thing when I was an English/creative writing major.

Weaving a basket underwater would actually involve a pretty good set of useful skills.

A course on underwater basket-weaving was genuinely on offer at Reed College when I was a student there back in 1990.

'Evergreen is harder than other colleges! You have design the curriculum, you even have to grade your own papers'

I took a few classes that could easily have been put into that umbrella- "Ability and Disability in German Film and Literature"— but perhaps unsurprisingly, these courses were often incredibly rigorous and taught by profs who knew their shit. (I went to midwestern version of Reed, fwiw)

xxp I remember my father as well referencing underwater basket weaving, snickering under his breath

There was 'rocks for jocks' (geology 101) and 'clapping for credit' (music appreciation)

haha! i taught music appreciation for a while and it was extraordinarily fun

the light of my life at the time. if i am being honest

I bet that class was so fun both to teach and be a student in.

It really was. It was an honor to be given the opportunity and I’m glad I made the most of it. Haters can take their share elsewhere! It’s a great class if you need a humanities credit and have a teacher who doesn’t sleepwalk through the semester.

share - * hate

big reveal is that underwater basketweaving was being taught for the benefit of Navy SEALS undercover as liberal arts college students who were using the skills learned therein to swim up to enemy ships frogman style and attach timed charges to the hulls with a swiftly woven basket

when will we understand that everything is an op, everything has always already been an op

There was 'rocks for jocks' (geology 101) and 'clapping for credit' (music appreciation)

I forget what the actual course was but it was "math for liberal arts majors" - the professor walked us through everything using a TI-82 and then gave us all of the questions that would be on the tests in the exact order. He bragged about having 90% of his students get As, dude was awesome.

Then I took him for stats which should theoretically have been a real class but it was pretty much the same. I appreciate a professor who knows he's teaching things that only exist to fill in requirements.

re: Rocks for Jocks, I took an amazing course to fulfill my science requirement: "Volcanism 101." It was a class entirely about volcanos. Never thought I'd have so much fun in a geology class!!

Did you get to make a model with a baking soda/vinegar eruption?

i took an intro electronic circuits class which had a reputation for being easy. some people called it “shocks for jocks”. reader, i found it one of the most difficult classes i had ever taken.

geology is cool af, I took one course on the geology of the US’s national parks which was awesome, and another general geology course taught by someone who owned their own excavation company

the actual zero-value classes are obviously in the business school

(my partner is a fibers prof; she can't swim though)

Did you get to make a model with a baking soda/vinegar eruption?

― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, January 31, 2024 2:26 PM (twenty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

No, but one of the jocks made a scale model of a volcano for a research project and "erupted" it in class.

I, on the other hand, found lots of archival footage of Nyiragongo and showed some wild footage of the lava lake at its center. Nyiragongo is the coolest active volcano, I think.

Ever look at something and just think to yourself: "how did we ever get to this point in humanity"? pic.twitter.com/xGvlzwmSLn

— Bang Average 3rd Cat (@BangAverageCat3) February 21, 2024

(the jrm tweet, obv)

the man never drank a glass of full fat milk in his life

we know where he gets his from

What he'd do is, he'd get his nanny to drink it, then (is violently ejected from the internet)

wtf is chad milk and how am I not supposed to assume that it is cum?

It is, cum hard and drink.

"MID IS NOT the mediocre TV of the past. It’s more upscale. It is the aesthetic equivalent of an Airbnb “modern farmhouse” renovation, or the identical hipster cafe found in medium-sized cities all over the planet. It’s nice! The furniture is tasteful, they’re playing Khruangbin on the speakers, the shade-grown coffee is an improvement on the steaming mug of motor oil you’d have settled for a few decades ago.

If comparing TV to fast-casual dining is an insulting analogy, in my defense I only borrowed it. A New Yorker profile last year quoted a Netflix executive describing the platform’s ideal show as a “gourmet cheeseburger.”

I’m not going to lie, I enjoy a gourmet cheeseburger. Caramelize some onions, lay on a slice of artisanal American cheese and I’m happy. But at heart, the sales pitch for that cheeseburger is no different from that for a Big Mac: You know what you’re going to get."

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/27/arts/television/mid-tv.html

i didn't actually know where to put that. but i had to put it somewhere.

Is “artisanal American cheese” an oxymoron?

Oh the actual article has a link for that phrase. I didn’t click. It didn’t seem exciting enough…

can you even corn syrup in cheese

https://media1.tenor.com/m/FjRhkdAaI48AAAAC/art-is.gif

that whole damn article should have been one sentence: Art is anal cheese. boom. you're done. everything you need to know about television.