Worst Fourth Film In A Series

FINAL ARBITRARY CUTS: The Return of the Pink Panther, Herbie Goes Bananas, The Three Ninjas: High Noon at Mega Mountain (which I'm regretting now that i'm looking at it), Penguins of Madagascar (which seems more like a spin-off than a third sequel), and The Sum of All Fears (i can't remember any of these really being marketed as "JACK RYAN'S BACK" - just generic thrillers that happened to all be based on the same guy's generic books).

it's weird that a trilogy seems like something grand to aim for, but a tetralogy just seems soooo pathetic

Not the "worst" in absolute terms, but Alien 4 and Bourne 4 were the biggest let-downs from previously quality series. Terminator Salvation and Jurassic World were horrific in absolute terms. Not seen Transformers 4, but it surely would be the absolute depths of shit.

Also, anyone who uses the word 'quadrilogy' instead of 'tetralogy' needs a kick upside the head.

best movie on here by a mile is Ghost Protocol. it's going to be tough to pick the worst.

on a totally unrelated note, yesterday i mentioned to my wife that i really wanted to play final fantasy XV, and then i burst out laughing at the idea of final fantasy XV

I'm one of those people that kinda likes Alien: Resurrection, even if it's the exact moment when everything that's gone wrong goes wrong... it ruins the xenomorph through overexposure and not rising to their level of nightmarishness save for the one scene with the clones in formaldehyde. If it weren't an Alien movie I'd probably like it better.... colorful popcorn movie, paced for the commercial breaks, in which a blah but okay adventure with an overstuffed cast plays out in a series of individually nifty but collectively disposable scenes. Could be worse. I've more than once walked into a room, discovered this was on, and ended up sitting and watching it for a good while so I guess Jeunet is doing something right.

Jurassic World had long stretches of being kinda watchable IIRC. It blows all the big scenes and has no sense of suspense or what might be interesting in a given situation, also there are some enormous and distracting plot holes. But I got through the whole thing and only wanted to throw things at the TV maybe 60 or 70 percent of the time.

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Lethal Weapon 4 was the very first one that popped in my head upon reading the thread title so that's what I'm voting for

best movie on here by a mile is Ghost Protocol.

― nomar, Thursday, March 16, 2017 10:48 PM (thirty-nine minutes ago)

Agreed, but Thunderball (not listed) is better. Wonder why the Bond films weren't included?

TS exorcist: the beginning vs psycho iv: the beginning

Thunderball was the weakest of the Bond movies to date at the time but it'd be hard to think of all those movies as Bond 1-20whatever anyway, there's not too much continuity between them

there's plenty on this list where the first movie in the sequence was pointless shit so really there's no way of finding a nadir

That Spy Kids 4 was the aromascape one where the audience were issued scratch and sniff cards and it featured a robot dog voiced by Gervais ... need I say any more?

sign me up!

obv a 5 star Bradshaw jobbie!

bar Gervais, obv, it's probly more imaginative and fun than something like Kate Beckinsale in a trenchcoat punching CGI monsters in the dark vol. 4

the entire Ice Age run is just a McDonald's Happy Meal promotion that got above itself

Sorry nv but for me the real spy kids 4 will always be the adventures of shark boy and lava girl in 3d

no i think that's fair. also better than emo vampires vs emo werewolves.

disappointed none of the Hooligan Pornos seem to have made it to number 4

here's just the ones i've seen, which isn't a ton -- i usually give up on series before #4. I'll group them into nathan rabin's flop categories.

failures: conquest of the apes, indy 4, scream 4, land of the dead, terminator 4, lethal weapon 4, vegas vacation
fiascos: jaws 4, phantom menace, batman and robin, cannon films superman, die hard: it's an e-bomb
successes: ghost protocol, the mummy 4, pirates of the caribbean 4, jurassic world

think i'll vote for the phantom menace.

oh and I've seen Ernest Scared Stupid. I don't remember any of it.

Out of what I've seen it's one of the lucases

Anyone who has seen too many of these needs a word tho

It's surprising how many of these are actually pretty good.

where's Ghost of Frankenstein?

I have seen:

Halloween 4: The Return of Michael Myers
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
Jurassic World
Live Free or Die Hard
Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol
A Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master
Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace
Vegas Vacation

Ghost Protocol is indeed the best thing here, and while quite a few of these are wheezy and exhausted (I tried to remember even one good line or gag Vegas Vacation, but nothing comes to mind), The Phantom Menace is still the biggest out and out suckfest.

Fuck, I got my Bonds scrambled - I'd have tried to make space for Thunderball. It doesn't really belong amongst the swill here, but it's easily the least watchable until the late Moore films at least. But idk, even in a bad movie it's good to see Connery as Bond, counts for sth against all... that.. swimming.

I struggled with Frankenstein and Dracula and Godzilla, who each have a few "series" - felt like it was a case of, include em all or include none. Tbh Morbs I'd've figured you for an Abbott and Costello Meet The Mummy voter.

Most of the Universal Monster sequels I've seen are just baaaaarely sequels in any meaningful sense, so I wouldn't sweat that too much.

* Batman & Robin

even joel schumacher regrets this movie

"If there's anybody watching this, that... let's say, loved Batman Forever, and went into Batman & Robin with great anticipation, if I've disappointed them in any way, then I really want to apologize. Because it wasn't my intention. My intention was just to entertain them."

Conquest of the Planet of the Apes rules.

I've only seen five of these, of which the worst is Phantom Menace. But I can't imagine Scary Movie 4 not being the worst shit ever.

Alien: Resurrection - I think I remember this being okay and at least nice to look at.
The Bourne Legacy - This wasn't as bad as it could've been (and was maybe better than Jason Bourne) but I don't remember a thing about it.
Bride of Chucky - Better than its three precedents but not as good as the immediate follow-up.
Exorcist: The Beginning - I think this was the Renny Harlin version? I saw the Schrader version, which was passable and at least better than The Heretic.
Halloween 4: The Return of Michael Myers - Probably the worst on this list but I'm not sure I particularly like any of the series except 3.
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire - Roughly as good as the rest. A surprisingly decent series.
Hellraiser: Bloodline - Ugh.
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull - I only saw part of this on TV at Thanksgiving one year but it looked pretty bad.
Jaws: the Revenge - The shark swims hundreds of miles to get revenge. It jumps out of the water and roars like a tiger. What's not to love.
Jurassic World - Just entertaining enough to offset how bad and stupid it was.
Land of the Dead - Good on its own, though it obviously pales in comparison to its forebears.
Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol - I don't know what the hell Woo was trying to achieve with the second one but this series is otherwise pretty damn solid.
A Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master - My favorite of the series.
Police Academy 4: Citizens On Patrol - I started rewatching these a couple years ago for unknown reasons and was surprised to realize that the first two were (while dumb as hell) actually pretty funny. The third one was like if someone was transcribing jokes from the first two while they were half awake so they still had the air of a joke but were divorced from context so they basically just became catchphrases that no one was asking for. Never bothered to rewatch the fourth after that.
Scream 4 - It happened, guess it was okay, barely remember.
Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace - I think this was just more boring than anything. Trade disagreements and kids going 'yipeeee!' is not what I look for in a SW movie.
Superman IV: The Quest For Peace - Haven't seen it in years, but I'm sure it's fantastic.

pirates of the caribbean 4 might have the back story which reads most likely a lazy satire of creatively bankrupt hollywood thinking: a movie based on a theme park ride which was then spun into an entirely unnecessary trilogy and then had a fourth installment retrofitted from an unrelated novel

Superman IV: The Quest For Peace - Haven't seen it in years, but I'm sure it's fantastic.

― Milkwalker's World (Old Lunch), Saturday, 18 March 2017 00:52 (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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Thank you for the confirmation! That ridiculousness might top ornery, drunken Superman from the third movie.

Superman IV is reeeeal tough to take. I kinda like how lame and OTT the Nuclear Man is but generally the effects are cheap and obvious (there's a long flying sequence with AWFUL rear projections, looks twenty years out of date) and wayyyyy too much of the movie is cheap-to-shoot, nails-on-a-chalkboard love triangle/they're-taking-over-the-newspaper stuff. OTOH it's nice seeing Mariel Hemingway, and while Jon Cryer is annoying as Lex's teenaged nephew or whatever, it's not measurably more irritating than Ned Beatty was as his dimwitted henchman.

Weren't all of the Die Hard sequels originally totally different scripts/adaptations that shoehorned McClane into the story?

love love love Superman IV so much. It is so awesomely horrible!

i love scream 4 with all of my heart

I think Die Hard With A Vengeance is actually *two different* scripts/adaptations that shoehorned John McClane into the story! Or someone's spare list of possible Die Hard sequel treatments, combined with someone's spec script for a Dirty Harry ripoff called 'Simon Says.'

actual good films in this list:

fast and furious
bride of chucky
friday the 13th the final chapter
ghost protocol
nightmare 4: the dream master
rocky iv
scream 4
step up: revolution (they do heavily choreographed flash mobs with a live dj to save the community center/neighborhood, a legit masterpiece)

probably gonna vote for halloween 4 but also extremely inclined to vote for terminator salvation

oh and i like alien resurrection a lot except for the human baby alien design

best thing in superman iv is superman rolling up to the united nations building in new york to deliver his message of nuclear disarmament

except it was actually filmed in front of a grey concrete hotel in a damp and cold-looking milton keynes and clearly the crew had neither the budget nor the expertise to hide it

it's like superman has turned up to his local council offices to ask about the planning permissions he'll need for his kitchen extension

against all the odds tho christopher reeves is still really good in it

probably gonna vote for halloween 4 but also extremely inclined to vote for terminator salvation

for real, terminator salvation is an abomination

haven't seen many of these...

Alien: Resurrection - agreeably, colorfully & ambitiously bad, disappointing only in light of what came before
Bride of Chucky - entertaining horror comedy, only film in the series i really like
Conquest of the Planet of the Apes - weird, bad & interesting (like all the apes sequels)
Exorcist: The Beginning - complete garbage, one of the worst movies i've ever seen (applies to both versions)
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire - good movie, though a big step down from the prisoner of azkaban
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull - mediocre crap, not actively offensive
Land of the Dead - ordinary, everyday bad
A Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master - terrible but fun, lots of zany, MTV-era nightmare sequences
Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - better than the 4th indiana jones flick
Rocky IV - all data lost
Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace - horrid and too boring to care about
Superman IV: The Quest For Peace - like rocky iv, i'm sure i saw it, but...
Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Next Generation - objectively terrible and yet fascinating, has moments

Rocky IV - all data lost

wtf this is the batshit one where rocky beats seven bells out of the ussr in the form of a heavily-oiled dolph lundgren

unforgettable surely

I tried to vote in the sense that I enjoyed the previous 3 movies, so I picked Superman IV.

voted for Phantom Menace due to the considerable drop in anything resembling entertainment value, interesting characters, humor, and a lack of understanding of what made Star Wars work in the first place, all from the guy who originally created it.

Crystal Skull, for example, is not really good but it's more of a misfire than complete incompetence, i mean at least it had the same spirit as the original trilogy.

Live Free or Die Hard is trash, never let hackers be villains

Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - better than the 4th indiana jones flick

o wait, shit, was thinking of at world's end. never saw on stranger tides. love the tim powers novel, though.

Alien: Resurrection: sucked.
Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Road Chip: dunno
Barbershop: The Next Cut: didn't know it existed
Batman & Robin: pretty bad.
The Bourne Legacy: Even Renner forgot this existed.
Bride of Chucky: funny!
The Concorde ... Airport '79: dunno
Conquest of the Planet of the Apes: is this the one set on current earth, with time traveling apes?
Death Wish 4: The Crackdown: OTT bad/good.
Ernest Scared Stupid: dunno
Exorcist: The Beginning: mostly bad, with moments?
Fast & Furious: prolly OK.
The Final Destination: ridiculous
Friday the 13th: The Final Chapter: I like this one!
Halloween 4: The Return of Michael Myers: I don't like this one, but read the novelization
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire: s'ok.
Hellraiser: Bloodline: bad
Highlander: Endgame: dunno, didn't know there were 4
Ice Age: Continental Drift: kid stuff
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull: OK at the time, worse/bad on memory
Jaws: the Revenge: awful
Jurassic World: solid but stupid
Land of the Dead: bad on review but OK at the time
Lethal Weapon 4: drag
Live Free or Die Hard: bad
Meatballs 4: ? really?
Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol: great
The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor: didn't know it existed
The Next Karate Kid: didn't see
A Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master: solid, liked this
Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides: overblown
Police Academy 4: Citizens On Patrol: used to watch it for Bones Brigade and Bobcat
Rambo: solid
Resident Evil: Afterlife: dunno
Rocky IV: cheese
Saw IV: depressing
Scary Movie 4: prolly terrible
Scream 4: think I walked out during the bad guy's "I did it because ... !" speech. Was the media the bad guy?
Shrek Forever After: huh, didn't know this existed.
Spy Kids: All The Time In The World: s'ok kid stuff
Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace: epically bad
Step Up: Revolution: wow, there were 4?
Sudden Impact: OK, famous for the "go ahead, make my day!' quote, which like Jason's mask people forget came later
Superman IV: The Quest For Peace: saw this in theaters, terrible
Terminator Salvation: With Bale? I thought it was 30% OK.
Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Next Generation: dunno
Transformers: Age of Extinction: "like listening to a pile of rocks in a dryer." - Roger Ebert.
Underworld: Awakening: dunno
Vegas Vacation: can't be good.

Ernest Scared Stupid is an okay kid's movie, as I recall.

I'm holding my fire until the next Linklater Before movie.

It should be called "After B4"

Scream 4: think I walked out during the bad guy's "I did it because ... !" speech. Was the media the bad guy?

no emma roberts was the bad guy

she throws herself through a glass table, it's raw as hell

Critters 4 (1992) has several covers but this one got me hoping they'd beaten Wayne's World to the Bohemian Rhapsody performance pip.

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funny how easy it is to pick out the lone good film on this list (Bride of Chucky)

"Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Road Chip" is surprisingly enjoyable given what it is (a terrible Alvin and the Chipmunks movie)

put that on the poster

'surprisingly enjoyable' raves ilx poster djp

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pesci was robbed of the best supporting actor oscar

I haven't seen some of these but it's hard to imagine any being worse than Jaws: the Revenge

Terminator Salvation is one of the worst movies I have ever seen in a movie theater.

The tolerable to actually good:

Bride of Chucky
The Concorde ... Airport '79
The Final Destination
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
Land of the Dead
Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol
A Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master
Step Up: Revolution

I suspect Crystal Skull will win this one, and already smh.

xp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0auwpvAU2YA
Christian Bale revealing what a loathsome tool he is on set was entertaining though.

oh and re: Batman & Robin's much-discussed rubber fetish shots: those are kinda among the better shots in the movie tbh. Most of the film alternates between lifeless talky scenes and flailing 'comic' action vomited up by the glow-in-the-dark action playset, which probably does play okay to eight-year-olds. It's at least more consistent in its ''the 60s show, but for the hyperactive 90s kid!'' vision than Batman Forever. Also I would rather watch Arnold hamming up dumb puns than Carrey sweating hard for a laugh that never comes. The internet obsessing over the crotch and butt shots feels idk kinda like teen nerd homophobery but I'll concede that it does certainly mark a huge difference from the Burton treatment so maybe that's why people are lingering on it.

Harry Potter I only left in here because it feels like it'd be glaringly missing from a list of major multi-multi-film series of the last while. I think it's a step down from Cuarón's work on the third, but it's also an accurate adaptation of the fourth book, which is structurally episodic and poorly-edited. So the movies stop trying to tell the whole story and count on the audience to fill in key stuff; I don't think of 'em come close to real badness, which is amazing since they could have been complete shit from day one and still made a fortune. IV is the one with Brendan Gleeson, David Tennant, and first Fiennes-as-Voldemort. The idea of sitting through the "three trials" stuff again is a little daunting but yeah this doesn't REALLY belong alongside Meatballs 4, etc.

I liked these (note: I don't think all of them are "good" per se, but I enjoyed watching them):

Alien: Resurrection
Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Road Chip
The Bourne Legacy
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire
Ice Age: Continental Drift
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull <-- not even Shia Leboeuf swings with monkeys could ruin this for me*
Lethal Weapon 4
Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol
Resident Evil: Afterlife
Shrek Forever After
Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace
Underworld: Awakening

* I was going to reword this but, no

no wait, shit, was thinking of at world's end. never saw on stranger tides. love the tim powers novel, though.

yeah on stranger tides automatically cannot be the worst because at least it represented a big payday for powers.

leaving out ones where i truly have no idea, or enough sense of the series to know whether i'd be pissed or indifferent if the fourth one suddenly started sucking:

ESSENTIALLY COMPETENT MOVIEMAKING, NO DISGRACE TO THE SERIES:

Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire - see above

OKAY AFTERNOON VIEWING ON CABLE, JUST DISAPPOINTINGLY INESSENTIAL AND ORDINARY:

Alien: Resurrection - see above
Jurassic World - see above
Rocky IV - tbh i've never watched the whole thing but i think it'd be down

JUST SHORT OF PASSABLE AFTERNOON VIEWING ON CABLE - LAME, DISGRACEFUL, AND SO DISTRACTINGLY LOUD, STUPID OR TONE-DEAF AS TO IMPEDE IDLE ENJOYMENT WITH A HANGOVER:

Batman & Robin - see above
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull - just painfully ordinary and without personality, weight or momentum (except the p. good early Indy/Shia scenes where Spielberg clearly came in and took over for a while), but easier to forget than Star Wars and doesn't ruin Indy in the same way.

TRULY DIRE SLOGS:

Superman IV: The Quest For Peace - see above
Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace - see nearly 3,000 posts in the crimes of george lucas thread

NO IDEA, BUT COULD IMAGINE THEM BEING HALF DECENT?

Barbershop: The Next Cut - no idea
The Bourne Legacy - zzz but probably at least competently made?
Bride of Chucky - sure
Conquest of the Planet of the Apes - always been weirdly curious about the very oddball-sounding premises of the later PotA movies.
Fast & Furious - i can't really tell the films in this series apart but people i respect say they actually start getting better as it goes on. dunno if it's 4 or 5 where that's supposed to happen though.
Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol - everyone says this is great
A Nightmare on Elm Street 4: The Dream Master - my sense is the sequels in this series are generally kinda consistent, it's just basically an anthology of weird dream horror sequences strung together by freddy right?
The Next Karate Kid - female karate kid is a nice idea and prob. inspired some kids idk
Rambo - actually probably awful
Spy Kids: All The Time In The World - loved the first and feel there are too few kids movies of this kind
The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor - actually probably awful

HAVEN'T SEEN BUT MUST ASSUME THEY ARE LIKELY MORE PAINFUL TO WATCH THAN PHANTOM MENACE:

Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Road Chip - can you imagine watching four movies of this shit
Death Wish 4: The Crackdown - Cannon Group rule
Ernest Scared Stupid - tho tbh I doubt it is much different from the previous couple. "Camp" is the only classic.
The Final Destination - should have called it "final final destination"
Hellraiser: Bloodline, Highlander: Endgame - should have been combined into one movie
Ice Age: Continental Drift - these are so fucking UGLY
Jaws: the Revenge - go-to symbol of old-school sequelitis
Lethal Weapon 4 - never watched any, but seems like the first is not my style and they all get worse. isn't this the one with the racism?
Live Free or Die Hard - i am 100% the target market of this film and i took one look at the trailer and went "nnnnope."
Meatballs 4 - first had a mild charm when not creepy/rapey, but why watch any sans Murray? here, corey feldman saves the camp in a water-skiing championship.
Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides - already wrecked by the second two dumb 'trilogy' pieces. imagining an even more broken ratio of depp's mugging to everything else... yikes.
Police Academy 4: Citizens On Patrol - i guess i've heard it's better than 5-7?
Saw IV - horrible series, suspect this is the least pleasant viewing experience of anything here
Scary Movie 4 - somehow worries me more than Scream 4
Shrek Forever After - hate this unfunny genre-wrecking shit, kids deserve better and i'm offended on their behalf
Terminator Salvation - third one already nailed the 'afternoon cable whatever' category, this just looked bleak and tiring
Transformers: Age of Extinction - what can you even say?
Vegas Vacation - even the first one, fourteen years earlier, was more cringey than funny for most of the time.

Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Road Chip - can you imagine watching four movies of this shit

... what has happened to me and my life

the essential gayness of batman & robin rescues it for me in a way that i think the essential gayness of nightmare on elm street 2 rescues that movie for others

iirc the final destination is the worst final destination sequel but i get them all mixed up in my head

final destination 5 however i remember in its full integrity and it's fucking awesome

re: Batman & Robin's much-discussed rubber fetish shots

I was at the exact age to overvalue those latex butt and cup shots, and I *still* fell asleep during the movie, one of the only times that's happened to me in a theater.

tbh i can't really hold anything against a film that has led to something as reliably cheering as youtube supercuts of arnold's lines and of course Lines uttered by Arnold Scwarzenegger (as Mr Freeze) in "Batman & Robin"

What film series holds the record for the most entries following a sequel which purports to be the "final" one? Probably Friday the 13th, right?

Lethal weapon, Bourne and MI all good rest trash

Lethal weapon, Bourne and MI all good rest trash

Chucky is the aberrant movie series that strangely hits its stride by the fourth entry (I think the first three are all different shades of mediocre), mostly by fully embracing the fundamental absurdity of the concept. The fifth is completely bugshit and my favorite by a country mile, and the sixth is a pretty decent straight horror film (and probably the first in the series that actually tries for scares). I never would've expected to find myself saying as much, but I'm looking forward to the upcoming seventh installment of the Child's Play series.

Yeah, Chucky is by far the most transformative (for the better) series refresh on this entire list.

6 was good? huh

Surprisingly. I don't really understand why it was released direct-to-video, but I think they're planning to go theatrical again with the next one.

I'll check it out - I liked 4 and 5, and yeah the latter is v enjoyable in its over-the-topness

6 plays it pretty straight and almost feels like a reboot until the end ties it back in to the absurdity of the previous two.

(Just realized that Citizen Toxie is missing from this list.)

Ghost Protocol is not just great but potentially (based on how great Rogue Nation is) films 4-6 of the MI trilogy could all be better than 1-3. i like the first MI, but i think it's a shade below 4&5. (MI2 is not terrible but not good, MI3 is fine but basically an extended episode of Alias, JJ Abrams isn't that good tbh.)

Where will Avatar 4 fall?

Flat on its dumb face, if there's any justice in the world.

You mean "3-D on its dumb face."

The Concorde... Airport '79 is my favourite title out of these

The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor has everything in the title plus a Yeti. It exceeded my low expectations.

I voted for jurassic world because of the scene where the nanny is punishment killed for talking on a cellphone, and the punishment is to be picked up by pterodactyl, dropped, picked up, dropped, etc, then swallowed along with pterodactyl by mosasaurus. Wrong sort of thing to happen in the sort of movie this is supposed to be.

According to the director, it was supposed to be a surprise to extreme-kill a character who didn't deserve it. it didn't work, especially with bryce howard's regressive character arc being in there too.

Exorcist: The Beginning, Superman IV, and TErminator: Salvation all in the running for me

Exorcist: The Beginning quite possibly one of the dumbest things I've had the misfortune to sit through. Schrader's cut of the film, Dominion wasn't exactly high quality horror but it was 30 times better than Harlin's.

Terminator Salvation and Jurassic World were horrific in absolute terms.

the interesting thing about this is optics. the general viewing public would agree with you on Terminator and consider you blasphemous on Jurassic World, yet fundamentally, both were about equally stupid.

(my friends all loved JW and for the life of me I can't figure out why)

lol forgot about Scream 4, what a fuckin' turd

I voted for jurassic world because of the scene where the nanny is punishment killed for talking on a cellphone, and the punishment is to be picked up by pterodactyl, dropped, picked up, dropped, etc, then swallowed along with pterodactyl by mosasaurus. Wrong sort of thing to happen in the sort of movie this is supposed to be.

I agree. A truly sour moment in a movie that is otherwise just harmless junk.

Agreed, dactyl scene was grossss and also SO WEIRD b/c the movie really builds up this idea of o no the park is a park and all the tourists are in danger!!! And this is the one scene where that actually matters and THIS is how they decide to punctuate it??

Voted Indy but Alvin 4 should get an award of some kind because I spent a minute looking at the title "the Road Chip" before I understood what it meant. Not a very clear pun. Alternatively, maybe I deserve an award for stupidity

there's also the squeakuel which is called the squeakuel because of squeaks

[](my friends all loved JW and for the life of me I can't figure out why)

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I wouldn't say I loved or even particularly liked it but I found the experience fleetingly enjoyable, similar to the old and shitty horror/sci-fi movies I watch all the time.

Totally agree about the needlessly torturous death of the assistant, though. Took me right out of the thing.

'Where will Avatar 4 fall?"

I'm honestly baffled that he's working on these sequels that absolutely no one has ever asked for or wanted. Does anyone think fondly of Avatar? I don't think so. A barely interesting idea with dated tech that was interminably long.

The assistant was an actress acting

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But Jimmy Buffett actually was killed by dinosaurs, right?

Ah now that, that's a story for a pint sometime

i thought jurassic world was fine. it's not as good as jurassic park but it's better and 2 and 3.

jurassic world actually felt a lot like 3 to me in a way - marching through the motions of a jurassic park movie without stakes or gravity, and with kinda rushed and uninteresting characters. they have to get through a certain number of dinosaur obstacles and then the movie is over, ta-da. there's even the "a new dinosaur, even bigger than T-Rex, but also somehow goofier!" element. but no william h. macy - a huge error i think.

2 isn't a great movie, probably spielberg's second- or third-worst actually, but there was some kind of effort to set up and pay off character relationships, even if they were hackneyed. setting it mostly at night is also smart (spookier, hides the edges of the special effects). postlethwaite is fun. the "raptors in the grass" scene and the (admittedly over-long) truck-over-the-cliff sequence are what put it in the black for me though - well-staged, clear, suspenseful and exciting, and expressly not relying on minutes and minutes of dino CG to the exclusion of all else. kinda the last stand of the guy who made 'duel' and 'jaws.'

Lost World loses purely because of "gymnast somersaults and kicks over megaton dinosaur"

for some that might be evidence of the complete opposite though

Nadir of the film, I'd say, but would also have totally ruled in a different type of movie, like if the Spy Kids had been sent to the Island of Lost Dinosaurs.

my problem with Jurassic World is it didn't know what kind of movie it wanted to be. It had the references to its cinematic history which served no purpose other than being "meta". It had stilted self-referential humor which didn't work considered the movie did a poor job of recognizing several other areas where it was being ridiculous (ie, the extremely clumsy use of the "we want to steal this tech for the military" trope).

I enjoyed when people were eating it in the movie, but it didn't happen very often, and as stated above, nobody that wasn't wearing a JW uniform other than the poor nanny was ever in any real danger.

the Vincent D subplot about the military didn't even make sense. You're going to somehow transport these megaton beasts into battle and have them do your bidding? besides these animals' demonstration of insubordination, it seems like a lot of work for minimal payoff and possible unintended consequences (ie a civilian town being mistakenly eaten). I'm just sick of that trope though to begin with.

can't it just be a movie about posh, well-to-do folk who have grown so bored of mundane Earth that they force scientists to do irresponsible tinkering for their amusement? but that would have only worked if massive civilian casualties happened.

Oh mannnnnn I forgot about the Vincent D stuff! Yeah that really was awful, and senseless as you point out. There's a possible movie where everybody knows how goofy this idea of dinosaur soldiers is (I basically was picturing Dino Riders - raptors decked out with headsets and laser guns) but here they try to just do it as a ripoff of Paul Reiser from Aliens and every time he's on the screen you're just waiting for him to derail the main plot of the movie.

Similarly there might have been a strong movie out of the concept of, okay, Jurassic Park had Spielberg linking his own compulsion to entertain (as the aging lovable circus showman) to the foolhardiness of resurrecting dinosaurs via those narrow moments of real wonder and delight that convince you Hammond would want to do this thing. So Jurassic World will really be about the foolhardiness of a giant corporate enterprise trying to seamlessly recreate and repackage that long-gone dose of original wonder. Got it. There IS something to the idea of starting the film with the dinosaurs effectively neutered and tamed, the audience going through the motions and unmoved, the new special effects not working. But then they go ahead and make a normal contemporary blockbuster where the monsters remain tame, the audience bored, the new special effects not working. We never really have a sublime experience, the wonder or the real terror never come back, the movie just moves forward and ends. Missed opportunity.

hahahaha HARNESS THE POWER!!! DINO RIDERS!!!

i think that was spielberg's big idea that kept the movie in development hell for a decade. it was in the leaked john sayles script too.

I adore the original Jurassic Park and thought Jurassic World was one of the worst movies I've seen in theaters as an adult, and I'm sure I've posted my thoughts about it somewhere else on this board. The only part I found even a little bit enjoyable was when the CEO guy decides to fly the helicopter himself and immediately fucks everything up.

voting jurassic world for sure

really the only way to make the movie work is for like 15,000 people to die savagely in the park while back at home a buncha people anticipate their fat inheritances

or the Return of the LIving Dead ending

I actually think the stuff with the kids was far worse than the Vincent D'Onofrio stuff, the writing and performances there were cardboard-cutout dull and any "danger" never felt real. Totally the opposite of the original Jurassic Park; even though I know Spielberg wasn't going have these kids devoured by raptors, the kitchen scene is incredibly suspenseful and dread-inducing to me.

the kid parts were definitely bad but more in an eyerolling way to me. the whole "omg mommy and daddy are getting divorced" part is a total faux pas because we're given no reason to care (and then it is subsequently dropped).

idk why they even had to have kids in the fuckin' thing at all. they were part of the original novel (albeit with their character traits altered slightly for the movie) so Spielberg's made sense but get rid of them in this thing and you remove stilted plot point and we can get back to watching pensioners and born-on-thirds turning into Dino-Lunchables

(truth be told though that wasn't the allure of og Jurassic Park, it was much better at pacing and mood-setting, had better performances, as well as boasting solid effects for the time period).

yeah, the presence of kids in jurassic park is purposeful and spielberg obviously knows how to get good performances out of young people. For Jurassic World it felt like, "well, we got to have some kids in there, they were in the original and we teens to see our movie, just throw some bullshit in there"

Pratt as Raptor Whisperer got kind of annoying too

like ok you imprinted on the baby raptors from 'birth', these are still vicious predators. the carnivores in og JP had to be handled from a distance and behavior managed purely through environmental controls like electrified fences whereas now Pratt can fucking issue canine commands and these raptors are docile af.

almost as lame as Bill Paxton's "he thinks LIKE the tornado" in Twister

literally the only ones i've seen are scary movie 4 and star wars lol

phantom menace is actually good. saw it 7 times in the theaters

Batman and Robin I liked as a high school kid and now it makes my skin crawl.

Meatballs 4 has washed-up Corey Feldman, a jizz joke, and a lotta buttz.

Land of the Dead is p grebt

Live Free or Die Hard was fun even if it was completely ridiculous

Friday the 13th 4 = overrated, but has some good moments at the end

I may not have ever known that there even was a Meatballs 4 until this thread.

there's also the squeakuel which is called the squeakuel because of squeaks

Proud to say I understood this pun within a few seconds, ten at most

Bat nipples!

http://images.amcnetworks.com/ifc.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/072412-batman-and-robin.jpg

Chris O'D in that particular trash heap is still my ideal.

man, i'm kinda feeling like i should have bent my mental rules just a bit and included The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey in as, basically, the Phantom Menace of Hobbit movies.

I honestly can't think of which I'd subject myself to if I had to

jeez The Hobbit could have been so good, it just pushed too far into foreboding in one direction and zaniness in the other. and effectively retconning aspects of the narrative to fit in with LOTR was an exceptionally bad idea.

At least Phantom Menace isn't stretched out to 3 hours for no good reason.

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

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At least something beat Crystal Skull.

Can't really argue with these results, tbh.

Star Trek: Nemesis could also have been in this poll, if you consider the TNG films their own series. The least successful film in the franchise, and one that hit during a real low point in Star Trek's popularity.

Yeah, it's pretty hard to sit through. On the other hand, in a series that starts with Generations, where the last entry was Insurrection, expectations have to be pretty fucking low. The rare series where the second is basically the only good one?

jeez The Hobbit could have been so good, it just pushed too far into foreboding in one direction and zaniness in the other. and effectively retconning aspects of the narrative to fit in with LOTR was an exceptionally bad idea.

that reminds me that ages ago i downloaded a fan edit of the hobbit that condenses all three of those godforsaken movies into less than three hours but i've never mustered the fortitude to actually get around to watching it

I have a similar edit of the SW prequels that works quite well (as it is largely Jar Jar and, to the extent that such a thing is possible, Annie-free).

My opinion of Jackson's entire Middle Earth saga is similar to that of the filmography of Cameron Crowe: where some people see definite highs and lows, I pretty much see all of it as a divertingly MOR way to kill a few (dozen) hours.

yes otm. admittedly they were pretty pointless and bloated but i enjoyed them. no high fantasy is too much for me.

i still need to see the third Hobbit. i saw the first two in theater. seeing Smaug covered in gold in 3D was worth it.

Indiana Jones was lame but it did have some good parts, seeing Indy look at the mushroom cloud was pretty rad, and i liked the alien ending cos it was 1:1 the end to The Fate of Atlantis.

only other movie here i've seen in theater was Superman IV. that movie ruled so hard and as a Canon film should probably get a free pass for being insane.

i luv superman iv

I never bothered with Superman IV but you guys are making me rethink that.

it's fucking ridiculous

Superman ends the Cold War by putting all nuclear weapons on Earth in a giant net and throwing it into the sun. and that's like half an hour into the film.

Nuclear Man is as "off-brand supervillain" as you could get in the 80s

right down to the generic thug voice

DESTROY. SUPERMAN.

The presence of the core cast, after most were basically chucked for III, makes Supes IV an interesting halfway point between ''it's the classic lineup but everything's gone to shit'' (Indy, Star Wars, Hobbit) and what you would expect from ''Canon got the rights and cranked some insane shit out on the cheap.'' On some level, it still feels like a Superman movie, just... all wrong. Whereas the above, despite Spielberg/Lucas/Jackson, feel totally NOT of a piece with their three predecessors.

there's a clark/lois moment toward the end of supes iv (when clark is kinda dying from his first fight with nuclear man (sorry lol @ "nuclear man" forever)) that i think is maybe the best thing reeve and kidder ever did together

xxpost It's a nod to the serials, when instead of employing iconic villains people were familiar with, they chose instead to make Superman Vs. the Venusian Mechanoids (fake example).

there's also a clark kent/superman double date scene. hijinks ensue

that double date scene is nails on a chalkboard IIRC. slightly better if still reflecting a fundamentally misguided idea about what the plot should be: clark going to the gym on a first date with hemingway.

is IV the one w Ducky

xpost Because if you have superpowers you're trying to hide from others, you naturally want to put yourself in situations which make that as difficult as possible. Like inviting someone on a jog when you have super speed powers.

the double date thing is obviously intended as Silver Age-style hijinks, similar to the good Superman vs. Bad Superman fight in III or spinning the earth backwards in time in I, it's just executed really badly.

(altho tbh I would probably be the lone fan of a Superman movie that was wall-to-wall Silver Age hijinks)

Superman gets turned into a baby, Lex Luthor tricks Lois into marrying him, Jimmy Olsen trapped on Bizarro planet, etc.

I would stan hard for a Supes movie with Mister Mxyzptlk as the villian, portrayed accurately and not by fucking Howie Mandel or whatever dude was just on "Supergirl."

I was shocked when I learned that Mister Mxyzptlk's introduction predated the Silver Age

but yeah

Superman gets turned into a baby, Lex Luthor tricks Lois into marrying him, Jimmy Olsen trapped on Bizarro planet, etc.

― Οὖτις, Friday, March 31, 2017 9:26 AM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no no i'd be way into this movie

Basically adapt any story depicted on http://superdickery.tumblr.com/ and watch the money roll in.

http://68.media.tumblr.com/f681d4194ae35dfd29bfeca37918b0b1/tumblr_mjj99ivz1T1r2ntbyo1_400.jpg

I'm all about Silver Age hikinks too - s'why I've never had any beef at all with the resolution of the first movie's plot. A good version of the double date scene could have been amazing, and one of the most Superman-ish things in any of the films. Oh well.

http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcfsr0xynh1r2ntbyo1_500.jpg

hahaha

good Superman vs. Bad Superman fight in III

btw i rewatched all the movies recently and this remains my favorite thing that happens in any of them

lol The King of Marbles

you can tell Bad Superman is Bad because he is unshaven

and he's drunk!

and the palette of his suit has darkened slightly

You can also identify Bad Superman by his tendency to straighten leaning towers.

Superman, King of Pogs

and the palette of his suit has darkened slightly

he could almost fit into the Snyderverse

Really want to see grim-faced Henry Cavill sitting there shooting marbles.

Dramatic slow-motion closeup of a big ol' aggie bouncing out of the circle.

xxpost Well, there's a difference between Surly & Ornery Bad and Genocidal Fountain of Rage Bad.

Drunken Cavill flicking peanuts through bar patrons' skulls.

did Target Kid ever join the LOS?

Yeah, he replaced Wal-Mart Lad iirc.

He has to modify the beer in order that he can get drunk, but after he sobers up there's still super beer in the taps, and everyone gets drunk and superpowers, leading to carnage and an opportunity to reflect.

Dramatic slow-motion closeup of a big ol' aggie bouncing out of the circle.

Oh yeah, I want to see Henry Cavill's big ol' aggie too.

Bad Superman blowing out the Olympic torch is some A-level trolling

Snyder's Bad Superman puts the Olympic torch out in an orphan's face.

(And the audience is confused because his behavior is largely indistinguishable from the ostensibly good version of Superman.)

"Ohhhh, I see, that first kid he brutally assaulted had parents."

only film u shd be discussing here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XViQa_lxzEo

4th apes is the best apes

I don't understand what that clip is from. I don't see Caesar so I assume it's from the original, but I don't see Marky Mark either. Confused!

hard-pressed to say any of the POTA movies are actually good. the one w the nihilist nuke ending (II?) is certainly batshit enough to be called "interesting".

you and yr ceaseless rongness

the initial Schaffner/Heston POTA is a blast, esp singing along with Jerry Goldsmith's score.

It's a planet of the apes!
Dirty filthy smelly apes!

it's a chore to sit through imo

iconic final shot notwithstanding

original POTA is classic

u r BANANAS, Shakey

(although it's much more impressive on a theater screen, w/ those desert vistas shot by Leon Shamroy)

Original POTA boasts maybe the greatest shot in cinema history:

http://www.gifbin.com/bin/092009/1252480395_this_is_not_what_it_looks_like.gif

Gore Vidal script doctoring strikes again!

heh

I've always assumed that had to be intentional. Surely.

lol yes.

not only does it look and sound great, it is very much classic sci fi. commenting on age and race and class and all kinds of social/political issues through the lens of THE FUTURE.

also kind of kick-started the pre-Star Wars era where all sci fi was dystopian commentary

thus necessitating the wookie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQAJFVV_h-U

it's kind of a shame i limited myself to theatrical series because Leprechaun 4: In Space probably deserved some attention here.

nuclear man 4eva

lol yes those nails

http://www.i-mockery.com/minimocks/superman-iv-quest-for-peace/10.gif

Didn't vote, but I've only seen Conquest of the Planet of the Apes, which is good, and the top two finishers, which ARE NOT *BAD* MOVIES. The others are either from series I had no interest in, or cash-ins you could smell in the next county.

ahh c'mon phantom menace is a disaster. leaden shuffling around, no story, no emotions, pathetic world-building, racism...

one peg down from Return of the Jedi...

when's the last time you watched either? serious question. imho jedi is a pretty good if unfocused kids' adventure movie with some clunky carpentry showing and some pacing/structure issues, but charismatic performances and a ton of craft on the screen, ranking high for the genre and time period. it's nothing on the previous two, but a good afternoon's viewing with very little to outright cringe at. phantom menace is so, so narratively inert and comparing the two really makes me like jedi more since i realize: wow, i know what the characters' motivations are! wow, the people stuck delivering exposition try to make something of it! etc....

to be fair, phantom's still not as bad as the followups. attack of the clones really is like the death of cinema. now i wonder if i should do a 'fifth' thread.

Crystal skull is utter shit.

But most of these movies are utter shit tbf.

Will rep for Bourne 4

pls make a fifth thread doc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_film_series_with_five_entries

Can't say I have a lot of enthusiasm either way once serieses get to 5.

Revenge of the Nerds 4 deserved to be on this list

xpost You and everyone involved in making the fifth installment of a series.

cool yeah imma get on this later today probs

I think we can avoid the painful poll by collectively agreeing that Seed of Chucky is clearly the best fifth movie in any series.

FYI, that wiki list seems to be for series that tapped out at five installments. The visionaries which exceeded the bounds of sanity to create six or more films have been sadly excluded.

Crystal skull is utter shit.

No film with the fridge scene is "utter shit."

Doc C, I haven't seen Phantom Menace since '98, cuz why would I?

I guess I figured you'd have at least made it out to its original theatrical run in '99 (sorry, couldn't resist).

Yeah, last time round I spent a lot of time in the thick of Wiki pages for 11-installment series and stuff. Think I'll just start from the 4ths and see what got a 5th, with a little skimming around for anything I might have missed.

98/99, same thing :)

I think we can avoid the painful poll by collectively agreeing that Seed of Chucky is clearly the best fifth movie in any series.

Tied with Final Destination 5.

Fridge scene was great. The scene that, had it been excised from Crystal Skull, people *might* have gotten off its nuts a little bit more is Shia with the monkeys.

And yeah the fridge scene and the stuff at Harvard is all solid. Lesser Spielberg but not unrecognizable and some nicely-staged action despite the distracting CGI. It really goes off a cliff hard right after the Harvard chase, though, and the opening stuff at the warehouse is really lacking a sense of magic or larger-than-lifeness.

Spielberg had a number of "It's George's baby" quotes about that one

Shia was George's baby?!

That explains a few things.

I just finished that recent Lucas biography and yeah, Spielberg quotes indicate that -- at least on that particular one -- when it comes to the Indy films he considers himself a for-hire director who executes George's vision, not a collaborator.

I....enjoyed Fast Five. It's still the only FATF film I've seen

Fridge scene is utter shit

THE utter shit

Jeez, how many 5 film series would you even consider watching?

For me... Frankenstein, Dracula, Winners/Gambler, Mr Vampire (first is very overrated but I could deal), Cremaster, Zatoichi, Lassie, Monty Python (this barely counts because I don't consider the live show a proper sequel), Police Story, Once Upon A Time In China, The Street Fighter, Lone Wolf And Cub, Romero's Dead series.

Maybe Gods Must Be Crazy, I gave up early on the first film but the later films are martial arts crossover.

iirc the fifth Friday the 13th is bad but there are some worthwhile ones afterwards

The thread is coming!

I think we can avoid the painful poll by collectively agreeing that Seed of Chucky is clearly the best fifth movie in any series.

Tied with Final Destination 5.

― Anne of the Thousand Gays (Eric H.), Thursday, November 9, 2017 8:10 AM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

both of these posts are extremely otm

iirc the fifth Friday the 13th is bad but there are some worthwhile ones afterwards

― Simon H., Thursday, November 9, 2017 8:30 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it features the immortal outhouse death so i can't say it's bad exactly but it's one of the less good ones

the worthwhile friday installments after five are: ... pretty much just jason lives

is that the one that opens with the SWAT team fakeout? that one RULES

no that is jason goes to hell

The 7th is pretty OK, but yeah, that's the last one that's any good.

which, i guess, simon, you are and i are the only two people on earth who think that movie rules xp

imo jason lives is one of the coolest action movies ever made so i'm not knocking it

clearly I'm due a series rescreen

I'm in the obvious minority in thinking that Jason Goes to Hell is the best in the series by far. I mean, it's not good, but it's completely batshit and at least has the bravery to barely be a Friday the 13th movie.

Can't agree with RAG about what constitutes a series

Mission Impossible 5 is good

best fourth film in a series, btw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9FGgwCQ22w

Oh, yes, MI5 was good. And probably Harry Potter 5, as well. They all blur into one movie in my memory, tbh.

o yeah HP 5 was excellent

Darraghmac- what you mean? I only disputed a Monty Python live film.

I'm in the obvious minority in thinking that Jason Goes to Hell is the best in the series by far. I mean, it's not good, but it's completely batshit and at least has the bravery to barely be a Friday the 13th movie.

― Fresh Toast (Old Lunch), Thursday, November 9, 2017 8:49 AM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

we should start a club

XP maybe a discussion in itself, tbh!?

Frankenstein/Dracula, for instance.....are these coherent 'series' or are they lots of movies with recurring characters, kind of thing....is there a Sherlock Holmes 'series' or just Sherlock Holmes movies...jack the ripper, etc etc

They're sort of coherent. There's a universal series and a Hammer series each of Dracula and Frankenstein and they generally stick to a poorly plotted story.

I'm pretty sure there are Sherlock and Tarzan films that work as a series.

I want it asterisked if allowed

I'd imagine that maintaining some pretense of continuity from installment to installment is a relatively recent feature in the evolution of the film series, and even now only employed sparingly.

Forgot to mention the Whispering Corridors series. I liked one of those.

Let me know if any of you have watched all the Guinea Pig films. I'm sure you all love them and do a marathon every Christmas.

Fast 5 is where the series really turns around, I understand.

The secret was more fury.

18 Abashiri Prison films. 9 Super Giants films.

fast five is the best of the series

Probably doesn't need pointing out that some of these 'bests' are similar to favoring the best piece of moldering detritus in one's compost heap.

Um, it's detrius.

looking fwd to the Jason Goes to Hell auteur showing up in the Greatest Directors poll

I have to say, having just looked over his filmography, it's much more varied and intersting than I would've assumed.

Worst Fifth Film In A Series

Asked my household this question and the 12 year old was quick to get 1 and 2 of the results here right on the money. lol.

I haven't seen a lot of these, from the ones I know I probably would have gone with Batman & Robin. B&R appears to be a 'so bad it's good' thing, over-the-top camp like the Adam West TV series, but somehow it still manages to want to take itself seriously and becomes pretty unbearable as a result.

I've only seen Crystal Skull once but I actually liked it a lot when I did. No, it's not half as amazing as Raiders or Crusade, but I certainly enjoyed it and loved seeing the return of Marian & that happy end.

I wouldn't say I love it but don't hate Phantom Menace all that much - there's nice design in it and I liked some introductions such as C3PO.
That one theory about Jar Jar actually being a dark Jedi master actually makes a lot of sense, if they'd establish that as canon I'm convinced that it would give that movie an enormous quality boost.

Of those fourth films I've seen, the one I liked best is actually Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. I'm not a Potter fan but when some Potterfan-friends made me see all of the movies I thought this was the best one by far. I really liked the first and the seventh film too & thought they wrapped things up nicely with the last. Didn't care much for the other half of the series. Many seem to favour the third but I thought that one was really boring.

Me and my mate went to see B&R stoned off our heads aged 18 and thought it was fucking hilarious, so I'm very affectionate towards it. I have never watched and will never watch it again.

and I liked some introductions such as C3PO.

Urgh that was one of the worst bits.

That one theory about Jar Jar actually being a dark Jedi master actually makes a lot of sense

I thought it was more or less confirmed that that was Lucas' original intention, but he chickened out after seeing the public's reaction to Jar-Jar, which was pretty spineless of him if true.

it's nonsense or at least not seeded in any way in the first film - jar jar's accidental work towards the plot progressing is presented exactly the same as anakin's.

i was thinking recently of polling the worst, most nonsensical and least necessary attempts by the prequels to set up or fanservice stuff from the original films. but then i couldn't decide whether to include rogue one and the forthcoming han solo nonsense.

i would happily vote in that poll fwiw, there's a lot to choose from!

haha okay maybe i'll go through my notes and make that one happen too

the one fanservice omission that's really inexplicable in the prequels is that there's no cameo from the millennium falcon

strong possibility lucas forgot it existed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN8HTKLsKkU

I'm not sure that poll will be kind to your views of the two latest, Doctor C.

star wars prequels: most embarrassing and hacky attempt at fan-service and plot resolution

i listened to the How Did This Get Made? for Batman & Robin today. so many lolz, this movie is so terrible. perhaps the apex of the degradation in this film is the moment where Batman slides down the back of a dinosaur, literally like he is Fred Flintstone at the start of an episode of the Flintstones. holy shit, this is a thing that happened in this movie.

then i found this. lol, perfect:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc2Pc2gbXDQ

Meatballs 4 actually has a post-credit scene where Corey Feldman gets dumped by a girl and complains "I was in Goonies!"

And yes I did watch this poo

worthy of remembrance:

the entire Ice Age run is just a McDonald's Happy Meal promotion that got above itself

― Pengest & Corsa (Noodle Vague)

i still hold that view but the series did give us Nicki Minaj saying "she's a mammoth, of course" so it isn't completely worthless

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jRu_fv2_6A

is NOES 4 good?

Texas Chainsaw Massacre 4 might be one of the worst movies I've ever seen. I think if more people had seen it, they would agree. I watched it on late night cable while insanely baked with a friend of mine in 1999.

Matthew McCoughnahey!

is NOES 4 good?

― Gardyloominati (Neanderthal), Monday, October 25, 2021 3:04 PM (seventeen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

some people love it, and it has some of the most adventurous dream sequences of the series

i kinda hate it and like it

It was screened and shelved before McConaughey and Renee Zellweger were huge stars, then re-cut and re-released with a different name once they became famous.

It is...abysmal.

my brother is the person in this video getting disemboweled: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tTnm2hDVJU

the video gets shown throughout the park which is cool.

but because of his 30 seconds of fame here, he watched all of the TCM movies in the entire franchise in like a week. (dude isn't even a horror buff). he said he saw some "shit", and mentioned 4 as the nadir

he is the good actor in the family, I on the other hand am the "utility infielder of theatre"

i'm actually going to watch tcm 3 during my halloween marathon. hyped. viggo!

turner classic massacres

is NOES 4 good?

is there a newer lunch willing to back up what this lunch has said