The stars turn: the TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread

Well, shit.

And if some kind mod could change that to "stars" in the thread title so I look like less of an idiot in my haste that would be nice

welp

3+4 just went up, talk to you clowns in 3 hours

(1 extra for collecting myself, maybe)

same

God dammit, I won't be able to watch 3+4 until tomorrow so I'm steering clear until then. But man oh man the first two <3

Also the chromatics owe lunch at least $30

Oh fuck it we're watching 3 right now

God this day has been awesome

Lynch!

David

Love I

The evolution of the arm was genuinely unsettling and an elegant workaround given Michael J Anderson's instability of late, and the attempted passage out of the Lodge reminded me more strongly of the more abstract passages in Eraserhead than anything Lynch's done since. (I have to wait until tomorrow at least to watch episodes 3 and 4, so I'll be staying out of this thread until then.)

do I need to watch the original Twin Peaks before watching this

Yes

It won't make sense unless you've watched the series and Fire Walk with Me.

I mean, insofar as it makes sense so far.

Well sky are being slowcoaches about putting the next two up so I will just say

Loved what they did with the arm, I got huge eraserhead vibes too

The red room is as weird as ever but it feels a bit like some of the "good" lodge inhabitants are speaking a bit too plainly at times?

I guess they recast Jeffries & maybe maj Briggs too?!

?!?!?!?????!

James is cool

Oh & I was in bits @ log lady

Yes, very pleasantly surprised by how reminiscent of Eraserhead this was in places.

So...that was Jacques tending bar at the end, yes?

I think I laughed harder at "James is cool" than any other line in the first two episodes.

It definitely looked like Jacques!

Also, yes, the Log Lady scenes were heartbreaking.

I do appreciate that Lynch decided to not just maintain the continuity of having a bad Dale running free in the world but to completely upend any sense of fan service by making him irredeemably awful.

Matthew Lillard has aged worse than anyone who was on the show.

took me a minute to place it, but did the arm reminded me of the gamesters of triskelion

http://i.imgur.com/JvDohgA.jpg

Now tv still not coming through 😔 might have to go to bed!

The violence/horror in this was so upsetting tho I don't know that I want to sleep lol. The South Dakota & New York scenes are the stuff of nightmares

The palmer house is still a hellish place

A small part of me hopes Robert Forster's part in this is as large as his role in mulholland dr & we just get told he's gone fishin every week until the finale where he's in it for one minute

Btw Frank Silva was credited as BOB in pt 2, did I miss something?

i'm about to start 4. three was the best yet. this is....really something

xpost Just a brief repurposed scene of Bob and Doppelcooper in the Black Lodge from the final episode.

i guess the only grievance i have is the occasionally really artificial quality of the effects (and which is probably magnified for me by how this is filmed digitally) but even in this respect they remind me of lynch's animation

Ah god I have to bail if pt 3 chatter is starting up, fuckin rupert murdoch son of a bitch

Enjoy, those of you who can! :-)

I'm determined to wait on 3 and 4 until next week, so I'll probably be bowing out of here soon. I'm just still kinda reeling over this. It's actually happening, and so far it's actually exactly what I hoped for (a new Lynch project that actually feels like a natural progression from his recent work and that continues the story of Twin Peaks in ways that are completely unpredictable and that sears a number of unique and indelible moments onto my brain).

The thing that came out of the box, the other thing sitting on the prison bunk, the evolution of the arm, the various distortions within the Red Room...they're all already enshrined among the pantheon of unshakable Lynch imagery. And I'm only two effing hours in.

Oh, and MacLachlan squishing the old dude's face. Momentarily hilarious until you realize what ultimately occurred. That's our Lynch

Only watched up to episode 3 but shit, this is really good!

Straight up near cried during the Log Lady scenes...

What about goddamn Jerry Horne, btw! So much stuff I've already almost forgotten. I may need the week of downtime to rewatch.

hahahahahaha holy fucking shit @ cera

i just came here to say the same thing

Okay, yes, I'm out. You guys have fun and we can all talk about Cera next week.

my initial feeling is that it's like if you took every aspect of TP (except, notably, for the soapiness) and amplified it tenfold - the banal parts are more banal, the goofy bits are goofier, the infuriating bits are more infuriating, the surreal bits are much more intensely surreal.

i wanna celebrate a specific thing about episode three but i think i'll wait until tomorrow when more ppl have seen it

needless to say this is everything i could hope for

there's even a minor soapy moment wrt the principal and his wife! i loved it

yes that is true, felt like a brief resurrection of catherine

14 more hours of this doesn't seem like enough lol

14 more hours of mr. jackpots

brad can you give me a hint about the particular thing in ep 3

well now i can't remember if it was ep 3 or 4, but it's when bobby sees a picture

Critical scene: delivering shovels to Dr. Jacobi

I appreciated how disconnected and nearly unintellible the first episode was. But by the end of the second, it felt like all the strands were coming together. This show is truly uncompromising. Love it.

I imagine the room with the glass box is probably some wing in Lynch's house where he conducts his experiments with time and space.

only two episodes in, far far better than i was expecting. the cinematography in particular is staggering (except the weirdly conspicuous effects as bradnelson mentioned upthread). biggest distraction/downside so far is this is the whitest thing i've seen since the last australian thing i saw.

I cheered when Cera showed up, mostly because I ended up being correct in guessing what role he would end up playing.

also i was hoping to have no idea what's going on and that's exactly what's happening xp

so far is this is the whitest thing i've seen since the last australian thing i saw

That's not surprising. The reports did say that people were going to be outraged.

I mean, that was pretty obvious from the cast list, and also everything else lynch has ever directed

true, and i'm not outraged, it's just way too obvious when set against every other contemporary show and also real life

Oh true, I'm just mildly joking about it.

I mean I also noticed that I'm 4 episodes in and there hasn't been a single scene that passes the Bechdel test either.

the Denise scene..."I told them to change their hearts or die" was great but the rest...woof. that and the Chrysta Bell stuff make it very clear this is being made by two old dudes and does pull me out of the spell for a bit.

I'd break this down as about 25% awe-inspiring, 50% engaging, 15% shrug-inducing and 10% groan-inducing. Which is honestly about the same batting avg as the original run

I mean I also noticed that I'm 4 episodes in and there hasn't been a single scene that passes the Bechdel test either.

yeah, for all that this is avant garde as hell and will probably advance television 15 years overnight, traces of 70-year-old white man are indelibly all through this

I think it's gonna fall from popular discussion in record time, if anything the decline in viewership for this from now to the finale will be even more precipitous than the original run lol

definitely, this is not in any way mainstream

Chrysta is very beautiful but good god she cannot act

The only bad thing about this is the lack of badalamenti incidental music. It's absence is really felt

This is amazing

Hour four had the least horror or surreal imagery but I bet is the one that makes the most people check out, soooo much slow comedy & weird affected dialogue, interminable scenes of dougdale/Lucy/Andy being aliens, Chrysta bell, Gordon & Denise (man that was tough)

And yes peter deming is knocking it out of the park, this looks amazing

I predicted that there would be totally unreal-looking cgi effects and that I would love them btw, but on both counts I didn't predict just how much <3

No surprise that Lynch would pull a FNORD on expectations

This is for the fans for sure

Feels like Lynch is taking the piss

EPISODE 4 TALK

interminable scenes of dougdale/Lucy/Andy being aliens

most of this stuff didn't work imo. dale getting stuck in the revolving door was fantastic, but the casino bit went on far too long (cooper's not mentally checked in, we know, really dave, we get it), and the whole bunny scene with hawk was a total misfire.

at least episode 4 ends with the feeling that the narrative strands are starting to come together. until the last 15 minutes it felt like several movies all playing at once.

also re the alan partridge discussion in the other thread: due to age, andy's face looks awfully like when alan is suddenly pissed off about something.

They seem to be doubling down on the scene in the missing pieces where everyone in the sheriffs station is really spaced out. I wasn't on board at first but horse & forster made it work for me & by the time cera showed up I was loving it - "except when it's cloudy, or at night". (There seems to be a slight suggestion that he has inherited some of the pretensions of his possible biological father)

I'm a little shell shocked tbh. I loved the look, sound & feel of this, felt properly extreme & nightmarish, but turning it over in my head it feels like something is lacking - it feels very vast and inhuman, like it was literally made by aliens. These two weirdos have both drifted quite far from where they were before, & ultra-frostian cosmic sci-fi, literalism & overabundance of story fits weirdly into ultra-lynchian incomprehensibility - or maybe I'm afraid that those things are replacing lynch's vaguenesses that evoke very specific emotions.

Idk I feel like frost actually used to be v good at writing for coopers guides, but MIKE in the red room being like "ok here's what's going on & what you need to do next - remember your doppelgänger? Well," when previously even outside the lodge he couldn't explain living above a convenience store without sounding uncanny; also bad coop explaining the black lodge to random goon.

Otoh the giant's dialogue was great, idk it could just be that I stayed up all night & am hollowed out a bit. Just not feeling much on an emotional level other than jaw-clamping tension. It actually reminds me of mulholland dr a bit, where for the whole 1st hr or so I'm just on edge the entire time. I'm hoping that in the next 14hrs (!) we get more of the emotional connection to characters that I get with that & all other lynch films

Relatively sparse music might be contributing to this too.

To be clear I adore this but also feel weird about it & like it's walking a tightrope & I may end up kinda hating it.

Real Dougie is best character tho

(There seems to be a slight suggestion that he has inherited some of the pretensions of his possible biological father)

i'd completely forgotten about that. i wasn't feeling that scene at all but in hindsight it makes sense.

turning it over in my head it feels like something is lacking - it feels very vast and inhuman, like it was literally made by aliens.

there's no warmth at all. the original series, for all its faults, was packed with rich and deep characters. here the same characters are largely going from point to point because the plot demands it. evil dale is cold and cruel, hawk is cold and analytical, gordon is cold and inquisitive, etc etc etc etc. even denise came across cold. lucy and andy are relatively warm but so far they're the comic relief and little more.

but MIKE in the red room being like "ok here's what's going on & what you need to do next - remember your doppelgänger? Well,"

yeah, it was all a bit obvious, with mike and laura explaining stuff in such detail that it felt like they were talking not to dale but to us. i don't expect lynch to come at me with the cliffs notes, especially when the rest of the show does the exact opposite.

also the brain tree (despite being a great set piece) felt a bit like someone said to lynch "you do you" and he did.

it sounds like i'm complaining a lot (and i am) but on the whole i enjoyed the hell out of this. it's nothing like anything, even twin peaks, and as long as it's doing something interesting and new i'm all in.

just quoting myself for a second:

i don't expect lynch to come at me with the cliffs notes

is it possible that we're seeing the lynch-frost seam here? i'm guessing frost has over-egged the dialogue and lynch has just gone with it.

also, dale drinking the coffee and snapping back into dale was perfect. i smiled so hard my face split open.

There's the log lady, bobby's tears and the roadhouse and I think we will get to an emotional centre at some point

But yeah who am I kidding this is dazzling. The thing in the David Blaine cage, the thing in the cell, woman's head on man's body, everything in buckhorn, bad dale using the dictaphone, the playing card, all the gnarly digital effects, that room with the eyeless woman - it's just too much

Btw did hawk see something out at Glastonbury grove? He doesn't mention anything to anyone

re: warmth, I feel like that's all gonna come from the original characters, most of whom we've still spent very little time with.

I like that they're actually giving Hawk stuff to do, he mostly just stands around in the original series

So yeah these episodes so far are fucking insane. I'm in awe.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m4xIy1rlJKs

Words I never thought I would say: the Michael Cera bit was one of the funniest things I've seen in a long time!

I can't decide if I hope we never see Wally again or if the entire rest of the show should be about him

The thing in the David Blaine cage

everything about that box was delicious. maybe i'm analysing too hard, but i thought lynch was either (a) telling the audience to persevere because something will happen soon or (b) taking the piss out of viewers who've been waiting for this show to start and having no idea what to expect.

There's the log lady, bobby's tears and the roadhouse and I think we will get to an emotional centre at some point

i mean not that i want to set an expectation on this but yeah, it seems we're coming into it from a real sharp angle

Some of the quibbles here aren't incorrect upon thinking about it, but none of that really registered while watching these. First and foremost this is utterly hypnotizing. Totally sucked in.

And I'm not sure how alienating this is? I was watching this with a handful of people who had little or no connection to the show and they were glued to it too.

i don't know if this is precisely the case but i do appreciate that evil dale seems stuck between cooper's actual personality, believing that he is truly undercover, and being an unencumbered source of evil, basically just like leland

Some of the quibbles here aren't incorrect upon thinking about it, but none of that really registered while watching these. First and foremost this is utterly hypnotizing. Totally sucked in.

I went back to remind myself of how it opened and from the moment I saw that slowed-down shot of the screaming girl from the pilot I was enthralled all over again & ended up rewatching all of parts 1-3 so yeah turns out I just love this

Part 3 with the pink planet, eyeless woman, ronette pulaski(! I think) on the sofa, the "mother" banging on the door, major briggs floating head, electrical sockets, rancid garmonbozia puke, dougie in the red room: a masterpiece

yeah, pretty much immediately in the pantheon of Great Lynch Sequences.

i loved Good Cooper materializing on the floor out of the smoke/socket and just kinda lying there smiling all dopey. hilarious.

ronette pulaski(! I think)

Yup, that was Phoebe Augustine, though she's mysteriously only credited as "American Girl"

carel struycken was credited as "?????????"

Yeah I saw that & was like wut - also Walter olkewicz is credited as jean-michel renault, al strobel as phillip gerard and carel struycken as ?????

Part 3 is so fat trout/above the convenience store that I forgot to include some of the incredibly weird bits in that sequence, like "119!"

Xp

snap

I hope we only get brief shots of renault tending bar & it's never explained

btw how many other nerds thought of Richard & Linda Thompson during the opening sequence of the premiere?

meee

a la senor droolcup, i hope it becomes canon to refer to reactive baby dougie cooper as "mr. jackpots"

HELLLOOOOO

otm

everything about that box was delicious. maybe i'm analysing too hard, but i thought lynch was either (a) telling the audience to persevere because something will happen soon or (b) taking the piss out of viewers who've been waiting for this show to start and having no idea what to expect.

Whatever assorted narrative ends it serves, it's also part of his ongoing meta-narrative about cinema and perception, who's watching whom, etc. I love how he first shows you the box, and then the room from every angle, and then finally the perfectly-lit shot of the guy sitting on the couch, which is what "the box" sees. He loves pulling back the curtain on himself, showing how the magic is done, and then still making you go "wow" when he does the trick.

(David Foster Wallace would have loved the box, it feels like something out of a James Incandenza movie.)

Watched the first four episodes last night. Reminded me of when the X-Files moved from Vancouver to LA. Maybe it's good David Lynch, but it's not good Twin Peaks. Perhaps once everyone gets back to Twin Peaks and normal Agent Cooper returns... he anchored the show. When he's adrift, it's just too hard to watch.

i'm glad it's not beholden to any idea of what Twin Peaks ~should be~, personally

Yeah there will be some split on all of this between "Twin Peaks fans" and "David Lynch fans."

It was madness to expect a show called Twin Peaks to spend any time in Twin Peaks, I guess. So far it's CSI: South Dakota.

most quality cinema since Hollywood fell to pieces is "hard to watch" in some way

i think they've been spending a pretty decent amount of time in twin peaks

needs more fat trout trailer park though

this is the first slice of what Lynch envisions as an 18 hour movie, i'm sure we'll be spending more time in Twin Peaks

anyway, happy to let the dude do his own weird thing if it works and so far this works pretty well imo. much happier to have something like this than some lame DAMN FAN COFFEE fan service stuff.

xxp

I was hoping to read the plot synopsis on wikipedia butnto tehre yet - come on internet!

Maybe he should have called it Hooters.

works on several levels

Found it hilarious that the dialog when Denise was talking to Gordon about Chrysta Bell's character sounded like it was from an episode of Decker.

Otherwise I loved this. The box, the opening scenes of episode 3 and bad coop vomiting in the car were exactly the kind of 'eat my fear' nightmare I was hoping for.

obvious point, but i love how the box is really the camera. i loved that scene where the stoic top secret guy without emotions and the horny coffee delivery person start to get it on, with the big box/camera watching them, and the earth cameras in turn trained on the box camera. it was like a documentary about a documentary about a director filming a really weird porno

one cool thing about the sound design: when gordon and albert are having the conversation in ep 4 i thought something was wrong with my speakers whenever lynch spoke, but it's the metallic echo of his hearing aids

I've watched the first 4 eps, and unless I'm missing something, they haven't directly followed up to what was going on between those two guys in Las Vegas in episode 2, have they?

afaik no

He enjoys a Police Academy marathon every couple of months but that's about it.

That was either one of the giant's clues or I posted in in the wrong thread.

I think my favorite scene so far (aside from the thrill of the re-enacted 'sometimes my arms bend back' scene) was the entire beginning of episode 3 with the purple glitchy shit and the eyeless woman and the non-ronette pulaski. It looked new, and different, but having cooper in it made it feel firmly of-a-part. less enamoured with the scene once he and the woman were outside in the starless void but everything up to that was pretty thrilling.

i love how the box is really the camera

To push it a little farther, it's the camera and the screen at the same time. The watched watching the watchers. [mind-blown gif]

exactly!

there are so many new scenes that already seem like instant classics, but the entire mystery box setup hasn't left my mind since it first came on

also - i guess that evil force that came through the box and murdered the horny people is on the loose in south dakota now?

Love the box and Lynch's continual fascination with industrial set aesthetics. Made me think of Silent Hill which Lynch influenced

Have finished through ep 4 now and am over the moon about this, feel like I could paint some shovels gold I'm so happy.

(David Foster Wallace would have loved the box, it feels like something out of a James Incandenza movie.)

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, May 22, 2017 3:01 PM (five hours ago)

I think this is really spot-on.

The evil force from the box was Mike's arm's doppelganger, right?

(haven't seen eps 3&4)

"I am the arm and I sound like this... *garbl garbl*" <3

Only just seen 1&2, but yeah, this is... quite something. Mind-blowing stuff, fantastic cinematography, and I watched it with headphones on. No wonder Lynch is doing sound design himself: superb how nearly every scene is layered with a deep drone, different from any other scene.

Patrick Fischler's role felt as if it could've been a straight continuation from his Mulholland Drive. In a suit now, but danger still looming, him dealing with someone you wouldn't ever want to deal with. Love that guy so much.

And then ending it with the Chromatics.. Boy, I'm probably not alone in this but that felt especially for me.

One random thought: with the X-Files reboot, after so many years, the use of modern technology was this big thing, I like that here it isn't. There's smart phones now, Bad Coop uses something like a tablet to get into the FBI system, but it's all very unassuming and 'normal', without emphasis on it.

Catherine Coulson absolutely broke my heart. I've never seen anything like her emotion delivering those cryptic lines, and what it must have been like for her and Lynch to film them.

Yeah that was gut wrenching

xpost i thought bad coop's hacking scene was so great because of how unmodern the tech was! it had a 2000s era Windows logo on the side, and a really big "DOWNLOAD" button on the right side of the display, off-centered.

No Zach I agree! But it didn't look 'clunky' or - worse - pretended to be hyper modern either. I love how unmodern it is. X-Files2 struggled with this as they wanted to show the works and failed miserably.

(Disclosure: I do actually want to believe an FBI login and download button today, in 2017, looks exactly like it was screened on this show)

that's probably a question for El Tombot and he'd probably tell you they do look like that

i think Lynch is struggling with using technology in TP world and Lucy not being able to wrap her head around cell phones is the personification of this. that WIN95 style graphics was A+.

Only two episodes in but they really held over the scene of Twin Peaks in relative normality for as long as they possibly could, didn't they?

2000s era Windows logo on the side, and a really big "DOWNLOAD" button on the right side of the display, off-centered.

As I kinda predicted elsewhere, the best possible prep for this new season wound up being FWWM and the Adult Swim "infomercials"

i was waiting for someone to reference the hacking of a mainframe! so good

I did not fully understand his reference to meeting with Jeffries and the Major (if that gets resolved in 3/4 n/m)

xpost i thought bad coop's hacking scene was so great because of how unmodern the tech was! it had a 2000s era Windows logo on the side, and a really big "DOWNLOAD" button on the right side of the display, off-centered.

― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 07:55 (thirty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it looked like one of these but with a windows logo on the long edge (perhaps moved into view so they'd get a kickback from microsoft). the cludgy graphics were bang on and not unlike the cludgy graphics i'm used to from the more cumbersome aus gov departments.

bits of the download flashing onto the screen seemed... odd, though. i get why from a film-making perspective (spice up what's happening for the viewer etc) but in real life it's not a thing, especially when downloading something from an intelligence outfit. this sort of thing always bothers me though.

Whatever assorted narrative ends it serves, it's also part of his ongoing meta-narrative about cinema and perception, who's watching whom, etc.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 00:58 (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ah yeah. he even opened fwwm with a shot of someone smashing a tv as if to say "this is not the show, you are not watching a tv, let's get on with it".

"I did not fully understand his reference to meeting with Jeffries and the Major"

no that was weird; well, I think evilcoop believes he's speaking with Philip Jeffries on that call. Presumably Jeffries has also gone bad (because he says he wants to be with bob). The meeting with Briggs I think is in reference to how Briggs died (in a fire, right after coop came out of the black lodge after the series ended, which is references in the book and also mentioned, again, in ep 4 I think, though I didn't see that yet). But I can't quite recall exactly what the voice on the call said; and it's def not Bowie's voice, but also doesn't even sound remotely like the voice he did, so maybe it was someone/something else.

The only thing I didn't like was evilcoop saying "i'm supposed to be sucked back into what they call the black lodge". too on the nose, sounds like Frost's book, blah.

I did not fully understand his reference to meeting with Jeffries and the Major (if that gets resolved in 3/4 n/m)

I'm not sure it does.. can someone explain what Albert told Bowie that caused someone to die?

xpost

Maybe it's good David Lynch, but it's not good Twin Peaks. Perhaps once everyone gets back to Twin Peaks and normal Agent Cooper returns... he anchored the show. When he's adrift, it's just too hard to watch.

― erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 01:07 (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i agree re cooper (if he's in it, he needs to be in it), but the essence of twin peaks was how groundbreaking it was at the time. it reset expectations of what can be done on television. if this new show were good twin peaks, it wouldn't be much else.

imo this show does an immaculate job of being good-twin-peaks by being like nothing we've ever seen (and not feeling in any way like a throwback or a lazy reunion), while promising to continue the world and the story.

The only thing I didn't like was evilcoop saying "i'm supposed to be sucked back into what they call the black lodge". too on the nose, sounds like Frost's book, blah.

haha yeah I also thought that was a bit *too* much exposition

xp

he said "it's raining Post Toasties" clearly this is the line that the new series hinges on

i think Lynch is struggling with using technology in TP world and Lucy not being able to wrap her head around cell phones is the personification of this. that WIN95 style graphics was A+.

― kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 08:03 (twenty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

maybe i'm trying too hard (again) but are they also telling us the town of twin peaks hasn't moved on but the show (and the world) has? like saying to the viewer "this is why we're spending more time outside the town now"?

major briggs floating head

why don't i remember this? i'm going back through the episodes and i still can't find it.

nm got it

Sound design is incredible. Eyeless woman scene was great

Was the eyeless woman Caroline Earle?

Finished all 4 and - man - this is all I could've asked for: scary, hilarious and just plain beautiful to look at and listen to.

Bad Cooper sounding like a '50s Martian during the jail convo scene lol.

eyeless woman had a name in the credits that wasn't anything thta related to anything before (I'd thought she was maybe going to wind up being josie). also, ronette pulaski was credited as 'american woman' or something

well i guess zoller seitz was otm

god the slicing noises when the woman with no eyes gestures at her neck are so unsettling, not helped by the "two steps forward, one step back" editing rhythm

just finished the first two episodes. it was really good. i love the humor in the glass box. yes for a good chunk of time we are watching someone stare at an empty box waiting for something to happen. trenchant.

really loving Evil Cooper. he looks alot like Bruce Campbell!

James took me by surprise at the end. i had no idea that was him!

did anyone else notice the zig-zags were painted red? i thought they had always been black before. also i loved having the zags shifting up and down in 3d.

also Hawk when he was walking through the woods there was some weird cocoon or something in one of the trees but he gets distracted by his phone before he can notice it.

.... ok not a cocoon just a weird looking tree

i lost my shit at "There they are, Albert. Faces of stone."

finally watched episode 4, agree that it really starts settling in here. great scene with evil coop and cole and albert.

I'm not minding the other bands at the roadhouse, but I am missing Julee Cruise. Does anyone know if she was tapped to be back at some point?

(she was listed as returning in a welcome to twin peaks post from last year; but who knows. she appears to be suffering from some illness, if her FB profile is any indication)

First two episodes are some dark shit

The end of the 2nd was great though.

"He's still cool. James has always been cool."

she appears to be suffering from some illness, if her FB profile is any indication

Still can't believe they were able to film Coulson in time for this, she passed away almost two years ago

What is this other doppelganger now

I love that w a cast of like 200 KM still plays at least 3 characters

re the happy endings discussion in the non-spoiler thread: is it possible that laura and leland could also be socket-sucked into the real world and be reunited with sarah totally bob-free? there'll always be the incest-rapey overtones but it would still qualify as a david lynch happy ending, even if the final scene is the two of them yelling "HELLOOOOOO" at vending machines

The opening sequence in ep 3 was really wonderful. The whole thing with the eyeless woman, the way it looked, and was edited, the sounds and weird contraptions, it all reminded me of Lynch's student films and Eraserhead.

The show lost me a bit with amnesiac Coop's interminable wanderings in LV, and the sheriff's office stuff was kind of dumb. I was roped back in when it got back to Gordon and Albert. Their meeting with evil Coop was perfect.

I also like having a different dream pop act at the end of each episode.

Agree with everything you say except that I didn't like the purple scenes with the eyeless woman and liked even less when they climbed out and emerged on top of the metal box. Although the eyeless woman pulling the lever was pure eraserhead.

A lot of this looks much more like Lynch's paintings, rather than his previous film work.

I like this a lot. The "funny" scenes are the weakest. The chocolate bunnies scene with hawk and Lucy and Andy was a total misfire as were the scenes of cooper with his wife and kid at breakfast and the whole casino thing which was, frankly, boring. The only good thing there was the dirty old woman in velour. Didn't believe the scenes where they give him his winnings. Who was that actor who played the casino manager though? He was good.

And it has to be said that Lynch himself is an excellent actor. His scenes are brilliant.

The only black actor in the show being a hot chick with her tits out though was.... Not good.

To say the least.

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xp casino manager was Brett Gelman.

Before the series began I joked that no one should be allowed to get through Twin Peaks without dealing with some bad scenes, but Lynch's Chrysta Ball fixation is pretty embarrassing, especially having Albert ogle her ass. Highlights of 3 & 4 for me were the purple world, Michael Cera, and crying Bobby.

Ernie Hudson is in it at some point, probably for 30 seconds as a ghost or grotesque in the corner of a scene. It's not good but I don't expect different at this stage. Same for all these old dudes paired up with beautiful young women (even my name is earl's brother)

I thought jade was fun tho & wonder if we'll see more of her with the whole vegas subplot of these criminals being after the joneses. It's hilarious (and kind of a litmus test for people's tolerance for this show's style) that dougie has drastically changed his appearance and is showing signs of serious brain damage but everyone's only reaction is to get slightly pissed off at him

I hope Naomi Watts gets some substantial stuff to do once the penny drops that this isn't dougie.

The contents of cooper's car being cocaine--machine gun--dog leg was fucking great, albert's "what, no cheese and crackers?" line was not. He's one character that could do with a punch-up from the one of the Harley peytons & Tricia Brocks of the world. Didn't quite get his line about a truckload of Valium either, unless it was in reference to Bell's acting style/mannerisms

Oh and the "certain woman" they need to talk to is 100% Diane right

lol @ Wally Brando

Cera did a pretty great job with that

I can help but think about how subtly tired and ill Miguel Ferrer as Albert seems whenever he's on screen. Poor guy.

can't*

When Tammy asked him if he was feeling well it seemed like they were acknowledging his real life sickness the way they did with the log lady (and possibly Truman, if it turns out ontkean's pulling out was due to health issues)

I've got a crush on Ben Rosenfield.

Alfred that was my one of viewing partner's big takeaways as well

That's all I have to report.

one episode in.

I love the B&W sequences: same lighting and texture as Eraserhead.

man y'all are really selling the comedy scenes short. i'm still loling at "HELLOO!"

i lost my shit at "There they are, Albert. Faces of stone."

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otm, tbh i could watch a whole show of just gordon and albert

some random thoughts:

- Dougie "manufactured" (idk how) by Bob as a way to trap Cooper upon his scheduled release from the Black Lodge? This would also explain who those dudes were that wanted to kill Dougie right after Cooper came back (ie, Bob's thugs/minions). I do love that Mr. Jackpots is basically Senor Droolcup redux.
- the chocolate bunnies Lucy/Hawk exchange felt like a meta in-joke about the bunnies from IE. ("It's not the bunnies!".... "Is it the bunnies?")
- Wally Brando a riff/inversion of James' James Dean schtick?
- what is a blue rose again, some "top secret" symbol? I remember this comes up in FWWM

my favorite part about the james reveal in the bar was the comment "...he doesn't talk so much anymore" - shelly's comment? either way it was like an acknowledgment that yes he is in this, and yes he is a very bad actor

also: 1&2 def front-loaded w horror and dread, 3 felt like Eraserhead level wtf-ness with the extended leaving-the-Black-Lodge sequence, and 4 primarily about the extra-banal hijinks and slow-burn "laffs"

no idea where this is going, which is great and one of the principal joys of Lynch in general imo

also lol @ John Ennis' 10-second role

an acknowledgment that yes he is in this, and yes he is a very bad actor

haha yeah

by contrast Dana Ashbrook's scenes were classic, Bobby is such a wonderful character.

- what is a blue rose again, some "top secret" symbol? I remember this comes up in FWWM

blue rose cases are indeed "top secret." in the opening of fwwm cole communicates the facts of the teresa banks case to chris isaak through lil, his mother's sister's girl, who is wearing a blue rose. i originally thought they were connected to project blue book but i think they maybe have some greater resonance/reach

James is way more interesting in his quick appearance than he ever was on the original show, possibly because he's actually smiling!

dana ashbrook crying at laura's picture is my favorite thing that happens so far

Dana Ashbrook was always one of the show's secret weapons for sure

yeah that was great. I loved how he still could swing from that sorta goofy sarcasm to facial-contorting melodrama at the drop of a hat

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Dana Ashbrook played the dumb Marine on trial in A Few Good Men, and he was adorable.

You mean James Marshall. Agreed, one role where his dopiness worked.

oh yeah whoops

The bunnies was a reference to this from the series:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrTe_vEubC8

yeah I know

but even so

at the Bang Bang bar end of episode 2 - i can't believe that is Shelly wow she looks really good! also James walked in but who was the guy fake shooting at her? was that Bobby?

she was great in Mad Men too

I didn't notice Bobby in that scene (I did spot Jaques Renault tho!)

I forgot she was on Mad Men for a bit.

She's really been the only one of the Twin Peaks women to work very consistently over the years; she was on Gilmore Girls, more recently in Witches of East End, Riverdale, and was on Love last year on their fictional Witch show, Witchita. Notably too I think she's the only one to have very extensive work done and doesn't appear to have aged naturally (not that she isn't really hot, she is).

xpost nope, wasn't bobby

have you seen 3+4 yet, adam? you'll meet bobby :)

i really love this revival. so great. lots of new characters and weirdness. but yes he doesn't buying saying things like "Cooper you need to escape the Black Lodge and replace your double". i guess you could see that as a sell out of sorts. i think it's funny, this is the level of normal we are at, this passes for rote narrative. love it.

this is amazing. he could not have made this back then though. it is too ambient. too dark. too many special effects. too digital. there are probably things he is doing all over that he could never have done simply because of digital cameras and the ability to shoot endlessly and take them places normal cameras can't go.

the glass box is very cool. the design of that room is so sick. it is like Industrial Kubrick. there is an arc on the wall behind the box that is painted black. the box is basically an eyeball. i love all the cameras pointing at this box. the box is clear so they are really pointing at each other. then the whole thing snapping in scale with Cooper trapped inside, like someone flicking through settings on their camera. this is literally experimental. this is a crazy minimalist art piece here. this is a para-science experiment to generate being from nothing. a literalization of the diving into the endless river of ideas. this is super zen. everything about this is observing the observer. the guy being paid to watch it is basically meditating. introducing this all new mystical shit that has nothing to do with the red curtains and zigzags is a triumph.

i worship the box as my personal lord and savior and i invite you to join me

for real though, go box room. the box room also has a bit of the inbetween-era tech going on, as LBI mentioned yesterday. there are all these cameras trained on it at all times, and yet each camera needs to have its film replaced periodically, so apparently they're not digital.

the guy 'fake shooting' was balthazar getty, no?

Yep

nabisco seems to be doing pretty well for himself but you have to admit there would be a nice inverse symmetry to nabisco crawling back to ILX as a sock and being completely offTM at all times

my message to nabisco - the times may be good for you, but if and when you do come back, you must be wrong

Adam and KM otm about the box room. I love it so so much. And KM otm about the film needing to replaced. And that a sound from a speaker says so.

By god does that room, the industrial sounds, and the speaker voice, remind me of 'What Where' by Samuel Beckett, filmed magnificently for the Beckett on Film 2001 boxset, and to my great dismay that version is not on youtube so I can't illustrate it (there are other versions, but that's the one to live by imo)

(KM if you don't know the film I mean, say so and I'll hook you up cuz I think it's right up your street)

I've only seen one episode, and it's enough to get me excited about subsequent episodes.

Do y'all consider it strange that I admire Lynch's work but consider Twin Peaks a secondary, almost discrete achievement? I wasn't a devotee – I'stopped at the first season years ago – but love much of Fire Walk with Me. In other words, you can love Lynch and not go nuts over TP.

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i was in the midst of typing that i downloaded all of Beckett on Film a couple years ago but never watched all of them! i was trying to organize a small group to watch through them and after a few weeks everyone but me realized that it was a terrible idea, and then i never resumed the sequence.

i think i have it on an external hard drive though! i'll watch it after the sun goes down. :)

'What Where' lasts a mere 12 mins but is totally worth it. I'll pray for the sun to set swiftly for you today :)

Dougie "manufactured" (idk how) by Bob as a way to trap Cooper upon his scheduled release from the Black Lodge? This would also explain who those dudes were that wanted to kill Dougie right after Cooper came back (ie, Bob's thugs/minions).

I don't think cooper's doppelganger is BOB exactly but I think he made dougie out of the little gold ball thing because he knew that the 25-year time was about to present itself and he was about to be pulled back into the lodge as good dale left - instead GD swapped places with a decoy & they are both out in the world, but this is apparently unsustainable

Those dudes wanting to kill dougie are separate I think, just thugs that he & Naomi watts owe money

hmm that could be, Watts did make a reference to being in debt

btw speaking of BOB, is anyone else slightly um uncomfortable that bad coop's connection with him is suggested via heavy fake tan makeup? Shades of past l/f missteps maybe? I always appreciated that BOB was never racialised in the original show, he was a spirit from the same place as MIKE whose actor happened to be native american (although otoh I always thought there was a racial aspect to the way some viewers talk about silva as someone who "just looks terrifying", which is crazy, he's just a guy, if he walked past you in the street you wouldn't even look at him twice)

anyway the BOB question in general is interesting to me - I honestly didn't think he'd even be mentioned as much as he has in this, because a) no silva and b) they seem to have moved away from the demonic possession angle

I noticed it but didn't really register any racial angle - along w his snakeskin and leathers I just took it as evidence that he's "weatherbeaten"/sunburned cuz he's been out doing dirt for 25 years

I don't think Silva "looks terrifying" but when he does his maniacal laughing/evil grin schtick yes he is legit terrifying

have been surprised Lynch hasn't resorted to using some old footage for some BOB-in-the-mirror shots tbh

bob is terrifying, frank silva out of character not so much

exactly. but people really do say that

Do evil Coop and Dougie puke up Garmonbozia?

How did Dougie get Teresa Banks' ring?

Al, I think it is perfectly normal, esp. on ILX, to like Lynch's film stuff more than the original Twin Peaks. The biggest problem with OG Twin Peaks is that Lynch didn't have as much input on it as should have. His collaborators were unable to do a good imitation of his vibe.

evil coop def does; not sure about dougie. good question on the ring also; the last time we saw it it was stolen by a nurse from annie's finger in Missing Pieces.

How did Dougie get Teresa Banks' ring?

yeah I thought that's what that was - which is why I connected Dougie back to BOB

On first viewing I had to fast forward past most Andy and Lucy scenes (including Cera)--they're just so bad, especially compared to the rest of the show! And it seems like they go on for fucking ever! Intend to go back and watch them later, but gotta steel myself first

wally brando forever

Thanks everybody for your takes, there were a lot of details I missed out on or had trouble interpreting (still have no idea what was up with the squishing-face scene, but I thought it was hysterical)

Sad to see people aren't getting on board right away, but I'm not sure I can blame people since this is seriously stark. I'm loving it so far though even though bits just die on the screen (bunnies). The original show had a lot of scenes that just laid there so everything not quite working is ok for me right now

i couldnt stop laughing during michael cera's monologue even though (because?) his presence completely broke all immersion

my dharma is the open road. your dharma is...
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(robert forster nods)

they seem to have moved away from the demonic possession angle

did you miss the matthew lillard part?!

I meant specifically re evil coop, who is "with BOB" but not BOB

idk i think the andy / lucy / hawk / and especially wally scenes are great

they def do go on forever but by the time they appeared i was already used to spending way too long in any given mise en scene

Sad to see people aren't getting on board right away,

don't care. Showtime won't regret this in the long-run, I don't think, and neither will I.

still have no idea what was up with the squishing-face scene, but I thought it was hysterical

yeah me too - I'm not sure what OL thought was "actually" going on here but I'll entertain ideas

that is gonna be Cera's only scene, right?

"did you miss the matthew lillard part?!"

I'm curious if it's going to go there though. actually I was wondering if they were ever even going to go back to that storyline, so it was nice to see them address it again (though not him specifically) in episode 4. I'm assuming the prints are either Jeffries or Coop's.

Sad to see people aren't getting on board right away, but I'm not sure I can blame people since this is seriously stark.

i'd be sad if it affected the rest of the show, like if there was another season i was hoping to see. but since the whole thing is already done and just waiting to be rolled out, it doesn't matter. i know the bad ratings will really piss whiney off, though

I wasn't sure what prints they were referring to in episode 4. Prints on the car/case? Cuz the prints at the murder scene were all Lillard's.

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Face squishing scene seems pretty easy? It's a classic Frank Booth/Bobby Peru/etc power play. Doppelganger Cooper is dehumanizing the guy, showing him that he's like a dog, that DC "owns" him, etc. More gravity to it than it has at first glance, imo, it's basically equivalent to sexual assault

or were they just talking about Evil Coop's prints after they picked him up? I might've missed something tbf

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it was the prints of the dead john doe no?

wait what

the male body in the bed has FBI agent fingerprints?! ok I totally missed that

maybe it's the major

don't quote me on that

he's been dead for years (briggs). that's right, I forgot it was his prints they were tracking down, not others in the room. i

the cera scene was hysterical, partly in that that's exactly the kind of scene that would have been in the original series, so I don't know why people are having a big problem with it.

also, the breakfast scene; though that was a scene wehere I really missed Badalamenti. I was momentarily hopeful when the cymbal and brushes started but then it was immediately clear that we were getting Take Five. cmon.

tbf it took me a second to notice Take Five, which was def odd

otoh Coop w his tie over his head and Sunny Jim (wtf @ that name) and spitting out the coffee = A+

exactly the kind of scene that would have been in the original series

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I could do without the Lucy and Andy nonsense. Was def. feeling Hawk's exasperation.

I did love the setup of Lucy + Andy being at the dept like nothing has changed in 25 years - and then Truman walks back to the back of the office where all the *actual* police work is done, w modern equipment and competent people etc.

good lord the dugpa boards have some bent out of shape and completely delusional people who are very angry.

a neat subversion of viewer expectations/nostalgia drive - things done changed

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tfw every scene fails the bechdel test, the one person of color is naked most of the time, and most of the women on the show are there to serve as temptations for the men in the room

it's an obvious point but it's by far the worst thing about the new series and really david lynch's entire career

I made similar criticisms upthread but in the interest of fairness there are other non-white actors, one of whom has had more screentime than almost anyone

yeah I'll reserve judgment until the series is over

I don't think you can credibly paint Lynch's output as failing the Bechdel test - off the top of my head there's a bunch of scenes between IE and MD that pass, not to mention that both also feature great, nuanced performances by their respective female leads

he's worse when it comes to race, I don't think there's any denying that. His casting of Pryor in LH really, really bothered me.

like, you don't use the greatest standup comedian ever as a goofy prop like that, it's just disrespectful

I was reminded watching the murders and corpses in the first episode how his camera ravishes women at their most vulnerable, and it often disgusts me. Ebert's critcism of BV has a grain of sense.

I don't think Pryor could have had a larger role at that point, his health was pretty poor. Iirc lynch saw him on a talk show discussing his ms, loved his energy and asked him to be in the film; Pryor was allowed to improv all his dialogue. Doesn't feel that disrespectful to me

not arguing that Pryor could have developed or performed a better role at that point in his life. But within the context of the film Pryor's presence feels exploitative to me, yr standard "freak" cameo thing

I don't see Pryor as being exploited as a freak in LH. I think David Foster Wallace first put that out there and it's one of several assertions in that essay I disagreed with.

The Bechdel test is a useful tool but doesn't determine overall value for a lot of people.

Argh, meant to say "that came to determine" overall value.

Pryor was exploited.

one of the big complaints in the dugpa forums is that the red room is CGI; it doesn't look CGI to me. there has been some CGI in there, but the tiles and the drapes do not look like greenscreen work to me. anyone else feel that way? i think it's just all brighter due to the DV and the lighting choices.

i have no idea what ppl are talking about re: the red room being cgi. the actual cgi is way more obviously artificial

anyway

helloooo!!!!!!

someone just reminded me of the part where the dude's flashlight doesn't work, that shit is so great

OK damn now i have to see Highway again since I completely forgot Pryor's in there

Just popping back into thread to give a shout out to Wild World of Grace Zabriskie scene which was v v disturbing

there's a bunch of scenes between IE and MD that pass, not to mention that both also feature great, nuanced performances by their respective female leads

Not to mention lots of great stuff between Laura and Donna in FWWM and, more broadly, that movie's reclamation of Laura as subject rather than object

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWkGGda7hX8

love this so much

There are definitely CGI elements to The Red Room to increase the scale of it and the height and breadth of the curtains and eg when the curtain gets raised and the horse appears which is something that lynch would have definitely done as a live effect before. The live/in camera effects were one of the greatest things about his aesthetic and I'm legitimately disappointed in the effects in the show so far.

I'm fine with the chromatics and I think the song they played was pretty good; but it would be too bad if the Black Ryder didn't get to be in this at some point.

re: Zabriskie, every scene in this with the old characters, except for the most extreme of the Andy+Lucy goofiness and Gordon and Albert leering at the agent, was really really great

the horse, yes, that looked computerized; the scale etc, I'm not convinced that's cgi

when the curtain gets raised and the horse appears which is something that lynch would have definitely done as a live effect before

this is funny i thought the opposite. he would have had to use a matte painting and not been able to get that level of zoom. this scale of the room at that part is too large to construct as a irl set.

Balthazar Getty is credited as Red in the show which, I guess, doesn't necessarily mean that he isn't Pete Dayton from Lost Highway.

i was like "ahh chromatics! magical" and then that country shit was like "ok cool" and then au revoir simone came on and I was like "fuckkkkk this" it's going to be like SNL with a guest band every week so dumb (seriously my only complaint)

at least it's at the end of the episode. i like au revoir simone fine but I get what you mean.

I want to see the Chromatics covering "Rockin' Back Inside Your Heart" every week.

Countdown to Lana Del Rey...

i like the roadhouse performances as chapter-enders tbh

someone: *levies a legit criticism against twin peaks the return*

me: actually, that's good

ye mooks who complain about cgi: it's 2017 and everything on every show is cgi, even like 90% of the "normal" sets and stuff

chromatics were such a perfect fit

I liked that country band more. Bohren und der Club of Gore would be perfect.

the horse, yes, that looked computerized; the scale etc, I'm not convinced that's cgi

the horse looks filmed, i imagine it is from a plate they shot for the original series. the room zoom looks cgi to me, it is impossibly big. it doesn't need to be anything crazy, it is a simple plane, they would just apply a two-color texture to it and probably not even light it to give it that op art quality. it also sort of fades into the distance on the edges like smoke or something, like it is burning backwards. you can do that digitally, in the same software where you composite the elements of the scene. he shot digitally so everything is composited digitally, it only makes sense to do this. plus it gives him a lot of freedom. i think David Lynch's excitement about digital film was mostly for the DIY possibilities. rather than meeting with a team and approving sketches then prototypes then the model then an animatic then a first take etc he can go straight from idea to visual composition at a pace far faster than what he could do pre-digital.

the Evolution of the Arm was a really great effect, another example of combining cgi and practical effects. the tree itself i imagine was a puppet and the mass was cgi (in the sense of using composition/production software not nec 3d modelling/animating). Laura taking her face off was really cool and felt very old-school. her face was masked out in a new layer and motion tracked to her hand, with a glowy layer underneath for where her face used to be. at one point in the Black Lodge the floor is waving and this is an effect achievable by using a displacement map.

er, i meant the mass on the arm was modelled and Laura's was 2d computer motion graphics

I love the fx in this, just like I love the Laura Dern face at the end of inland empire or the old ppl at the end of mulholland dr or the mystery man superimposed on arquette's face in lost highway. Lynch has always done "artificial"-looking stuff like this but the cgi in this is a new level of awesomeness

they're growing on me, mostly bc, as i said upthread, they resemble lynch's animation (cooper falling through space is also really reminiscent of this)

i think a recent reviewing of phantasm v has poisoned me against really obvious cgi in things that are filmed digitally

"Countdown to Lana Del Rey..."

she's not tagged as being in this and I think she probably will not be

I'm almost glad Chrysta Bell is playing an FBI agent because it means we will be spared her dull music

previously completely unaware of Chrysta Bell so don't care personally

every episode ending w some wan indie perf at the Bang Bang is okay w me, it's basically just a credits sequence

Haven't seen 3/4 yet so I can't read this thread yet, but I just wanted to stop in and say, evolution of The Arm = Milky Joe. Just had to get it off my chest.

a couple of tiny observations (i don't think either has been specifically mentioned itt):

- the evil dale face-squishing was like leland squishing laura's face in fwwm (in one of sheryl lee's best performances in the whole film), so maybe a callback to that

- lucy being freaked out by mobile phone technology was definitely a callback to when she was freaked out by harry and andy being able to leave the room with the walkie-talkie in the missing pieces

i like the implication that every 25 years or so lucy has an episode of intense spatial confusion

i think a recent reviewing of phantasm v has poisoned me against really obvious cgi in things that are filmed digitally

lol in terms of late era genre directors using CGI this could be SO MUCH WORSE, see also late Argento

the scene in episode 4 when gordon and albert are in the car bothers me because the green screen is obvious to the point of '50s hollywood obvious, but at the same time it had me wondering whether lynch is using clunky compositing/green screening deliberately for a reason that's not clear just yet. is there meant to be a slightly artificial tone to all this?

i mean i can't see a 2015 production unit saying "yep, studio car against a road projection that doesn't quite match what they're doing in the car, yep good"

Oh I though the clunkiness of Gordon and Albert in the car was 100% deliberate, no doubt about it. Did not bother me one bit.

Gels in with the goofball style scenes he mixes up with the violence/horror scenes. It's interesting to see people here already - after three or four episodes - speak about skipping Lucy scenes etc. Personally I do not get that, at all. It's all part of it mahnnn, the funny and the weird.

Of course there's CGI everywhere but you notice it when it's not very good. I mean the flickering bug thing above the slot machines, did anyone think that was a good effect? It would have been better to completely forego any effect at all. With regard to the horse and the scale of the room, of course, but what was amazing about the horse being in the Palmer's living room was that there was quite clearly a real horse in a real room.

I mean, I like this I'm not complaining and I understand that there are budget and timing issues but the effects haven't really been to my taste.

With full respect, the cgi and, your example, the hovering thing above the slot machines, have not bothered me one bit. The 'cheapness' of the effect, for me, makes it a more 'human' effect. Like something you'd (think you'd) see when squinting, or drunk. Or both.

The posts on the CGI/effects have made me think about it way more than I did when viewing it. Which is good! But personally I don't think I could come to a conclusion like "this is not my taste". No, I like that it has a rough edge. I don't desire "good/perfect" effects. I would like them to alienate, like in a daydream or a fever. And I think Lynch is succeeding in this p fucking good up till now.

yeah, and this is why i'm wondering whether it's all deliberate. the cgi doesn't need to be this bad, and as mentioned upthread there's probably a whole load of touched-up shots we're not noticing because they were done properly. even cheap shows have decent cgi nowadays.

like lynch wants us to be consciously aware of what's meant to sfx and what isn't.

*maant to be

As I mentioned upthread, the look of a lot of this looks more like his paintings than his films previously so it could be deliberate.

"Flickering bug thing"? It was the black lodge!

What do you mean?

AA, It has to be deliberate. Just like the clunky backgrounds when driving a car. That cannot be accidental or due to lack of funds, and certainly not due to lack of a vision. Not in Lynch' case. It's a concise directorial hand in how the scene is portrayed imo. And as odd as it sounds, it has worked for me. The clunky car driving background made me feel, as a viewer, that we were speeding things up again. A '2D' scene right before something very complex was about to happen again. I think he very much loves to play with this stuff. I know I would.

xxxp huh Shakey? The black lodge was flickering over the slots?!

it was an IRL thumbnail icon of the zigzag carpet and red curtains

I suspect the glass box to be a riff on the outlined spaces in Francis Bacon's paintings.

https://a.1stdibscdn.com/archivesE/upload/a_302/1459781719057/Study_of_a_Nude_l.jpg

Yup drapes and floor zigzag pattern clearly visible

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i agree, and in fact am (slowly) watching it all again with the deliberate shakiness in mind (xp to le bateau ivre)

For real? Mind blown. Did not see it that way. xp

Jed otm. Bacon has been on my mind in more than one ways this season.

Slowly is the pace, AA :) It will be my route the coming days. So much to take in.

shakey: weird how you saw an insect instead of a black lodge portal, but i can see how it could sort of look like a ladybird. maybe it's like the blue/good dress thing.

xp true, already i'm spotting stuff in ep 1 that i totally missed the first time, and other things that are a lot clearer in hindsight

Indeed, the pre-intro music shot of the school girl running with her hands over her face is very intriguing. Shot through a window too.

That's from the first ep of the original series

xp yeah, if nothing else this show is going to be heaps of fun to work out. showtime and/or lynch have previously said there's a bumper crop of stuff to piece together as the series progresses.

Is it? I need to pay more attention, clearly. Did we know who it was?

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in fact the total secrecy before monday is basically lynch/frost firing the starting gun for the entire planet xp

xp casino manager was Brett Gelman.

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someone mustve seen his adult swim things they had a lynchy vibe

"Is it? I need to pay more attention, clearly. Did we know who it was?"

yes, it's quite an iconic moment in the pilot, and no, we don't know. it's the second someone at the school finds out Laura has died

Gordon's mushroom cloud + Kafka decor was A+

I took the conversation btwn Gordon and Denise about Agent Tammy to be a possible meta-commentary about Lynch's practice of casting beautiful women based off of headshots alone with little regard to their acting chops. In that sense she "fits his profile".

Ah cool, thanks.

"This is the girl"

Exactly

Where have I seen Beulah from episode one before?

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unbelievable that naomi watts' too-hot coffee has left we hardcore twin peaks fans four episodes in and STILL waiting for our first "damn fine cup of coffee" line to cheer at

found the girl screaming. 22:22 (on my pal remaster). it's when the policeman walks into donna's class asking about bobby, and donna turns and looks out the window at that girl running. interesting that they chose that of all shots to illustrate the pre-credits sequence of the new show.

Yes, very interesting!

the eerie unidentifiable (cf kafka's 'the burrow', extend this parenthetical aside to 2000 words and i've got myself a thinkpiece) drone is obviously all over lynch but i am enjoying the distinct variety of drones we're getting underlying almost every scene

the outfit Naomi Watts is wearing when she's introduced, especially the sweater, is very much a callback to Betty's outfit at the beginning of Mulholland Drive.

the moments where coffee is mentioned and they kind of let it hang for a moment to fuck with fans is fun

I almost died when Bobby walked in, saw the picture on the table and exclaimed "Laura Palmer!" as the friggin Laura Palmer theme started playing.

helllooooooo

I almost died when Bobby walked in, saw the picture on the table and exclaimed "Laura Palmer!" as the friggin Laura Palmer theme started playing.

i wasn't quite as happy with episode 4 but this was an amazing moment

the first appearance of coffee being in Starbucks style cups was v cute

I feel no need to speculate about what any plot details mean until the whole thing has aired, but I will enthusiastically rep for mr. jackpots

oh yeah and I think Dougie's kid was played by the boy who was in the movie Looper?

huh

Wally (Michael Cera) is totally Dick Tremayne's kid

shhh, Andy might get upset

good lord I have to stop reading that dugpa forum site, there are so many people on there who have limited reading comprehension, and people whose ability to stretch connections between things makes me think they must be schizophrenic. those forums were much more interesting when people were just speculating on what this was about based on leaked pictures.

Have to vouch for Chrysta Bell's music here, "This Train" and "Real Love" are great tracks. She's not dull

the first appearance of coffee being in Starbucks style cups was v cute

Yeah, and lattes to boot!

The little red room icons above the slot machines (& esp the little musical stings that accompany them) are hilarious and awesome wtf guys

laura sounds scots in that ep 2 black lodge scene

"but sometimes me arrems beind bach"

helloooooooo

Fairly strong implication from Bobby's speech that Major Briggs was killed by Bob/Evil Cooper, right?

Took me so long to recognise the Franz Kafka picture on Gordon's wall (like, hours - I was wondering through Stalin, Trotsky, Princip etc.). This has been delightfully bonkers so far, if they can sustain it I will be in heaven. I know people maybe liked different stuff from TP, but this has the stuff I liked, so far.

Hated the Cera cameo, though. But others seemed to like it. It was too much of a pastiche for me, like if someone started doing a Borat impression.

imo it was an indicator he's genetically you-know-who's child, and Wally genuinely thinks he's being sincere and deep by doing a completely horrible Marlon Brando impersonation

What's also notable so far is the absence of any sense of how Twin Peaks has changed as a community in the intervening 25 years (other than a load more police officers). I'm enjoying it right now but it could do with more soap to balance out the weirdness, like it feels unusual to have gone four full episodes without seeing anyone go to the diner yet, and only a short scene at the Great Northern.

"may his recovery be swift and painless" almost killed me

kid, I don't think that means what you think it means

it feels unusual to have gone four full episodes without seeing anyone go to the diner yet, and only a short scene at the Great Northern.

perhaps they'll reveal a huge shock in week 5/6, like the whole town is derelict or overrun by quivering jellies or something

i'm totally convinced they're keeping their powder dry, and that these four episodes are meant to confuse and disarm us

On that score I liked the brief shot of the burned-out smokestack of the old mill. Otoh the roadhouse seems to suggest the town is thriving, & apparently New York money + legal weed is keeping the Horne business ticking along

I just want to see more long slow scenes of Jacoby living in a shack in the woods, spray painting shovels

It's going to be weird and disorienting and confusing throughout and rightly so, but I'd rather it was doing that in Twin Peaks itself rather than in various disparate cities throughout the US.

The jacoby scenes and to an extent the box scenes with the SD cards being replaced & filed away feel a bit like lynch & frost doing breaking bad/bcs, patient slow scenes of someone methodically performing a task whose purpose isn't clear to us yet

two hour loop of mr. jackpots just going from slot machine to slot machine, winning every time

Fire walk with me spent a little over 20% of its running time outside of twin peaks (& cut out most of the townsfolk), this is obv shaping up to be even more spread out geographically but I think we'll see more & more of the town as we go along. Setting up things like Shelley having an affair with Balthazar Getty & being worried about her daughter's new guy, whatever jacoby's up to, hawk's instrumentality in solving the coop mystery all need to be picked up again

btw that mini bookhouse boy with James being all "it's the dogs bollicks innit bruv" = the mystery which will have been kept alive

tbh when Jacoby appeared next to a trailer I was sure for a second it was going to be the motor home court that Harry Dean Stanton's character managed. I guess he shows up later.

Interesting how the visual/audio style in the floating box differed from that of the Black Lodge -- more static-y, buzzy, loopy and electric. Which makes sense since Cooper escapes though a big power outlet. It reminded me of some of Guy Maddin's work -- The Forbidden Room and suchlike.

ok I am going to break my rule and ask a question

so Dougie's one of the Black Lodge entities riding around in Cooper's body, and by not exiting the normal way, Cooper somehow ended up in a second body instead of waiting for Dougie to return to the lodge like he was supposed to, to swap back?

idk it'll be revealed in some way but who knows

i think cooper's body was always trapped in the lodge and both dougie and evil cooper are doppelgangers.

the scenes in the black box were beautiful

my take was he was created by evil coop so as to not be replaced himself if coop broke out

or not the black box maybe -- that place with the woman with no eyes.

yeah it has something to do with that nxd. evil coop rigged it so douggie would get sent back to the lodge at the allotted time instead of him.

idk how one goes about creating a middle aged man though

or not the black box maybe -- that place with the woman with no eyes.

― Treeship, Wednesday, May 24, 2017 7:54 AM (six seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah i rewatched this last night and it's a high water mark in lynch's filmography

Yeah that's exactly it afaic xps

i loved the scene where lynch and albert visit evil cooper in prison -- they were so unnerved. perfect encapsulation of the uncanny.

idk how one goes about creating a middle aged man though

Out of a gold marble obv

If creating dougie was one of the 1st things evil coop did 25 years ago, that's more than enough time for him to get a family a gut and a horrible dress sense - one gets the idea that there wasn't a whole lot to dougie jones

naomi watts must have seen something in him, at some point

yeah it has something to do with that nxd. evil coop rigged it so douggie would get sent back to the lodge at the allotted time instead of him.

― Treeship, Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:55 AM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ok I'm lost, what are you guys talking about? the guy imprisoned in south dakota is obviously dougie, is the implication there's another evil coop body around?

dougie is a bad boy, duh

Sure, the same way Sarah Palmer & everyone else in town saw what was happening to Laura maybe xxp

wait, no.

the murderer with long black hair is a separate entity from the guy who lives in a vegas suburb. evil cooper was the one who arranged for dougie's assassination, which coop barely avoided by dropping his key to the great northern in ivy's car.

xp mh

How many episodes are left? For some reason I thought this was a nine-episode season but if it's 18-20 then its whole pace makes a lot more sense.

14 iirc

yeah I don't buy that unless I missed something? black haired murderer guy is called Dougie by the sex worker in the empty house. I figured Dougie is just a dickhead who claims to travel for business and has this surface life as a mediocre Las Vegas dad/husband when he's not murdering and screwing

ok, I am dropping it, I will watch the show to see what happens :)

no, the guy with the sex worker was different. he had brown hair, a beer gut, and a dopey affect.

He looks completely different

And was in a hotel room while bad coop was running his car off the road

empty house but yea

dougie jones is a flawed person who cheats on his wife with "ivy" the sex worker. but he would never shoot a young woman in the head at point blank at a seedy motel room. (i assume.. most wouldn't)

hmm yes this makes sense

it's just slanderous to mix them up

it's my hometown so it was nice to see a vegas neighborhood on tv and think "wow that looks exactly like a vegas neighborhood, down to the uninhabited developments"

Rancho rosa!

I think mh is pulling yr legs guys

lol Brad, I immediately said "oh, it's Las Vegas!" because yeah, that looked like the area right next to where my friends used to live. for all I know, it was the same neighborhood. all of the developments of that time period look the same!

those empty tract houses were grim

no, I apologize, I truly wasn't paying enough attention and did miss the multiple fake Coopers, it was the giant block of wood in my eye

on the other hand,

helllooooooo?

Hellloooooooo

was that apparition a tiny view into the lodge? what was it?

it seemed sort of like a red curtain with a zigzag floor

Hellooooooo + "Thank you, Mr. Jackpots!" seems like something out of a Japanese TV commercial to me for some reason

it seemed sort of like a red curtain with a zigzag floor

It was. Are you guys watching on phones cause lynch explicitly asked you not to do that

seemed like a way of indicating that coop's back in the real world, but still has a tangible connection to the lodge and supernatural stuff

dude in the red room seems to be trying to contact Cooper but uhh... Cooper's not quite present and they're only reaching Mr. Jackpots

I was getting irritated at those scenes but "Mr. Jackpots" is one of the most hilariously stupid nicknames I've ever heard

I may have been a little hi on allergy meds xxp

some good names in this. Mr. Jackpots, Sonny Jim, Wally Brando, all kinda cracked me up.

https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/18620044_10213661443876793_703756180785213836_n.jpg?oh=7b7545a30b2150932b7e879c5cfa6858&oe=59AAF6E3

Naomi Watts is billed as Jane-Y Jones

the whole Dougie family is kind of jacked up

The opening scene of Jacoby getting the shovels delivered... there are 2 distinct POV shots from a distance of ~50m away, shot through the trees: Someone is watching Jacoby.

...shaky cam^^^

Someone is watching Jacoby.

ha yeah this was my impression too

How lovely were the sprayed shovels? Also, it reminded me of djing at a costume night, and I dressed as jacoby, and no one knew who I was.

I'm sure the shovel spraying rig was completely built by Lynch himself, probably what he uses in his own home when he needs to spray paint some shovels.

i really liked that scene

it feels unusual to have gone four full episodes without seeing anyone go to the diner yet, and only a short scene at the Great Northern.

perhaps they'll reveal a huge shock in week 5/6, like the whole town is derelict or overrun by quivering jellies or something

― early morning reverse rumplestiltskin rage (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:14 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i'm totally convinced they're keeping their powder dry, and that these four episodes are meant to confuse and disarm us

― early morning reverse rumplestiltskin rage (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:14 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think there's at least a 50/50 chance that the next 14 episodes will continue on with Coop meandering in the Dougie home with amnesia, brief snippets of life in Twin Peaks, and the rest of the plot taking place in other parts of the country.

Yeah you could tell by how muted Jacoby's conversation was with the guy who delivered the shovels, that we were meant to be viewing him through someone else's eyes.

We've seen every returning character now except Audrey, Ed, Norma and Nadine, right?

Some v minor characters not back yet

imo the fake-out where mr. jackpots takes a sip of coffee and the framing is such the audience thinks "maybe this is the moment where he remembers! coffee!" followed by the spit-take was beautiful

Yeah I love how there is fan-service in this but it feels more like fan-baiting at times: coffee, dictaphone, james

I think about Lewis, and his friend Clark.

Did anyone read 'the secret history of...'? I think there was a bunch of Lewis and Clarke stuff in there.

I want Michael Cera to do a long-ass college commencement address as Wally Brando

Yes, the Wally Brando monologue was mesmerizing.

just an insanely dumb dude being profound by thinking he's every marlon brando performance

I know they're setting up hawk as Our Guy in the sheriff's station and I love that but I hope we see a lot of Frank Truman

that other deputy who was standing around as Lucy/Andy did their thing and Bobby stared at the Laura Palmer evidence had this great "are you fucking kidding me, what the hell" look of disdain

You mean chip or chet or whoever? "I'll go talk to my pine cone"? Now that was a good Albert line!

yesss

Chip's got a Deer Meadow attitude.

Sorry, Chad.

Oh yeah, chad. Chip comes up in buckhorn

My shadow is always with me. Sometimes ahead. Sometimes behind. Sometimes to the left. Sometimes to the right. Except on cloudy days. Or at night.

it's almost Dr. Seussian

i rewatched episode one last night and

1) the apartment scenes with marjorie green are wonderful, this show is so funny?
2) another twin peaks/gilmore girls crossover: the weird paranoid maintenance dude plays rune in gg

yeah he was on homicide. blanking on his name right now.

max perlich

some good names in this. Mr. Jackpots, Sonny Jim, Wally Brando, all kinda cracked me up.

― circa1916, Wednesday, May 24, 2017 8:25 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

speaking of, sara paxton plays a character named Candy Shaker

http://media.vanityfair.com/photos/592451159658080c3abf7112/master/w_690,c_limit/tp-deputy-hawk-2.gif

perlich is such a perfect lynchian actor, really.

it kind of looks to me like many of the 'big name' cameos may be just cameos, and only that; maybe we'll see more judd, maybe not? Richard Chamberlain just opened a door....I don't care much either way but they can be distracting (she looked like she was going to start giggling through her whole scene)

yeah w the gigantic cast I expect lots of people will be on-screen for like 20 seconds. Doubt we'll see any more of Jennifer Jason Leigh or Michael Cera, for ex.

re: mh's gif - Hawk is also the guy that saves Cooper at One-Eyed Jack's iirc? he throws a knife into someone's back?

You really think so re jjl?

I just picked a name out of a hat, but sure I can see that character never reappearing

re: the scene of the exec and his asst in the Vegas casino in ep 1 - now starting to wonder if that's related to Dougie and his role as a trap for Cooper set up by BOB

i'm hoping to at least see Cera drive by awkwardly on a motorcycle in the background of a scene or something.

xposts

he's going to crash a motorcycle, right

he and James might have some stuff to talk about

i'm hoping to at least see Cera drive by awkwardly on a motorcycle in the background of a scene or something.

lol

I think the mysterious person in Vegas planned to kill both Evil Coop and Dougie and might be the person that Evil Coop talked to at the motel.

hmm latter makes sense to me, former not so much - why kill both? But I could see the sequence of events being - BOB knows Cooper is coming back, calls Vegas dude, tells him to kill Dougie at a certain time, Vegas guy sends killers to clip Dougie during his rendezvous with Ivy, but Dougie/Good Coop luckily escapes

Really don't think bad coop is BOB. He's Dale Cooper - BOB is not calculating. But I never ascribed all of leland's actions to bob either

The girl Evil Coop killed at the motel told him someone wanted him dead but she didn't know who. Evil Coop couldn't have wanted to kill Dougie, he was being kept around solely to get sucked into the Black Lodge.

Matthew Lillard didn't know he'd made the final cut until the premiere

I really think the people who wanted to kill dougie are a separate crew, related to the money he apparently owes

Evil Coop couldn't have wanted to kill Dougie, he was being kept around solely to get sucked into the Black Lodge.

killing Dougie *after* Good Coop assumes his body/identity makes total sense to me. One of them has to die, this would ensure that Good Coop dies and Evil Coop/BOB remains free.

Matthew Lillard didn't know he'd made the final cut until the premiere

― Number None, Wednesday, May 24, 2017 11:12 AM (forty seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

glad he did, he's amazing in this, though i can't resist yelling "my mom and dad are gonna be so mad at meee!" during all of his scenes

It could be a separate crew after Dougie, but someone still tried to set up Evil Coop. It could also be the person who paid to build a glass box around a portal in NYC.

yeah that's true. I am v curious about who this mystery billionaire that's keeping tabs on the Black Lodge could be

Btw in fwwm you hear the sound of the arm in the background to certain key moments; when the evolved arm said "I sound like this" & made that creepy noise I made a note to listen out for it but kinda forgot/ didn't hear it even tho I had my headphones CRANKED UP TO THE MAX. Anyone hear it at any point?

You mean chip or chet or whoever? "I'll go talk to my pine cone"? Now that was a good Albert line!

― in a soylent whey (wins), Wednesday, May 24, 2017 11:34 AM (two hours ago)

Speaking of Albert, Ferrer looked so unwell — I feel like Lynch would have had Albert deliver a lot more withering shit talk if he'd had an actor physically up to it.

In a s2 opener James rides to a bar called WALLIES!!! (this was a real biker bar near where i lived in Simi Valley)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrRnzMfxC7s

Thought for a long time that the blue colorization of the Gordon and Albert convo was some weird attempt at day-for-night processing, then remembered the whole point to the convo is that Bob Cooper is the bluest of blue rose cases

Really don't think bad coop is BOB. He's Dale Cooper - BOB is not calculating.

confused as to how you square this with the S2 finale and Evil Coop's behavior. You think he's just Good Coop's evil doppelganger and BOB is not involved? Or he's only intermittently possessed by BOB, a la Leland? Seems to me the difference there is that Leland never sacrificed himself/agreed to stay in the Black Lodge like Coop does in the S2 finale.

No, but Coop wasn't occupied by Bob. Part of him was. There are two Coops in there, and the one that comes out was, you know, with Bob.

with BOB ≠ is BOB imo

but it's complicated

I think a lot of the bad shit leland does is done by leland, have never bought that he was simply "taken over" & fwwm bears this out

Bad coop even more so, to the point that I'm genuinely not sure how much BOB is even involved

like whoever that was talking to bad coop over the computer said "soon I will be with BOB again", not "soon I will be with you again"

i feel like fwwm and the show are inconsistent about leland. fwwm leland definitely knows what he's doing, like he is totally aware of what he's doing to laura. in the show he has a moment just before he dies when it's like he's just discovering that he was inhabited by bob and raped and killed his daughter and he's super distraught

my interpretation of the Leland/BOB pairing is that BOB is like a parasite that is exploiting, encouraging, and feeding off of Leland's worst impulses. Altho Leland claiming he has blackouts and selective amnesia would imply there are times when BOB really is in control.

yeah my feeling about that ep was always "that's what happens when a lynch leaves I guess" (and fwwm takes precedence over any other part of the text fuiud) but now I think even that is more ambiguous than I thought at 1st and in keeping with the theme of denial & repression - leland has a "hole where his conscience used to be"; conscience, not memory or agency.

The lynch-directed ep where leland kills maddy clearly shows both of them present and conscious

wins otm, I feel like
Cooper in lodge: True Coop
Cooper in real life: Cooper as influenced by a malevolent entity, that occasionally takes control
Dougie Jones: False Coop

it's not as easy as "good Cooper" and "bad Cooper" though, it's the same man if his life was warped by the gravity of BOB

my interpretation of the Leland/BOB pairing is that BOB is like a parasite that is exploiting, encouraging, and feeding off of Leland's worst impulses. Altho Leland claiming he has blackouts and selective amnesia would imply there are times when BOB really is in control.

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, May 24, 2017 2:23 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

somehow missed this, completely otm

http://68.media.tumblr.com/46aa084cac859184eac0ce74aa07ea3c/tumblr_oqh5s8jtZD1rgk3eio1_1280.png

lol also what about that fuckin lucy/andy/wally family photo? looks like something right out of the grandmother.

also re: the shovels, maybe this is overly spoilery but last year there were leaked photos of one of those gold shovels hanging in the window of Nadine's drape runner shop.

"maybe"

http://i.imgur.com/tC2ZgTi.png

haha wow I totally didn't spot that

lol wtf

that is amazing

lil' wally brando

Is Jacoby hugging the tree in the background or are my eyes playing tricks on me?

in that picture? no, it's a christmas tree

those are hystically awful photo retouchings

That family picture bugged me the fuck out so much I wasnt even able to concentrate on what Lucy and Andy were talking about. Watched episode 3 and 4, yes the levity i wanted is there. So into this, watching season 2 as well right now as i never got around to it the first time (not ideal perhaps) but im totally fucking immersed in the Twin Peaks universe right now

it is a v tiny jacoby lol

xp

i do know how season 2 turns out btw. Coop getting possessed by Bob etc

I think there's at least a 50/50 chance that the next 14 episodes will continue on with Coop meandering in the Dougie home with amnesia, brief snippets of life in Twin Peaks, and the rest of the plot taking place in other parts of the country.

― Moodles, Thursday, 25 May 2017 02:02 (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

imo that coffee moment (especially being the main cliffhanger of the whole episode 1–4 omnibus) is telling us dale is well on his way back.

also, the opening titles are set in twin peaks after a tight shot of the classic laura photo, which tells me this show is going to have a hell of a lot to do with laura and twin peaks.

i reckon these four episodes serve as a massive prologue, with the main thrust coming into focus in episode 5. i also believe there's a narrative reason these four episodes were released all at once with a two-week gap: lynch is trying to build the levels of mystery and hype generated by the original show (which imo is even more central to the whole twin peaks concept than mills or diners).

those are hystically awful photo retouchings

― akm, Thursday, 25 May 2017 09:01 (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i read it as lucy and andy having to make their own happy-family photo because wally is never around.

I think there's at least a 50/50 chance that the next 14 episodes will continue on with Coop meandering in the Dougie home with amnesia, brief snippets of life in Twin Peaks, and the rest of the plot taking place in other parts of the country.

― Moodles, Thursday, 25 May 2017 02:02 (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Honestly, I hope not but at the same time I know Lynch isnt going to take it easy on us either

I have no idea what's going to happen, which is how I like it

i'm just glad episode 5 is airing on the 4th and not the following week

Do evil Coop and Dougie puke up Garmonbozia?

How did Dougie get Teresa Banks' ring?

Al, I think it is perfectly normal, esp. on ILX, to like Lynch's film stuff more than the original Twin Peaks. The biggest problem with OG Twin Peaks is that Lynch didn't have as much input on it as should have. His collaborators were unable to do a good imitation of his vibe.

― Moodles, Tuesday, May 23, 2017 1:43 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

evil coop def does; not sure about dougie. good question on the ring also; the last time we saw it it was stolen by a nurse from annie's finger in Missing Pieces.

― akm, Tuesday, May 23, 2017 1:45 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

How did Dougie get Teresa Banks' ring?

yeah I thought that's what that was - which is why I connected Dougie back to BOB

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, May 23, 2017 1:48 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Just getting caught up with this thread now but wanted to go back to this...I tried looking through the Secret History book for the exact passage but I'm pretty sure that ring was in the possession of Dougie Milford at some point? Not that that clears anything up.

OK I guess it wasn't addressed in the book, but rather in this interview from shortly after the book's publication.

Q:...there's a ring that Doug Milford is wearing when he dies in Season 2. I haven't been able to make it out, but is that Owl Cave ring?
A: Wouldn't it be interesting if it was?

So yeah, basically my grand theory is the Dougies are connected.

the dougie continuum

League of Dougies

Dougpa

dougie, dougie, dougie: an eternal golden braid

the dougie brothers

Holy ifk, doors closing and elephant Asian had me in tears

lynch is trying to build the levels of mystery and hype generated by the original show

But Lynch wanted it to be shown week-by-week. I think the reason for all four at once is Showtime a) trying to have a bet each way on serialisation vs dropping a bingeable season Netflix-style, and draw subscribers to their streaming and VOD services, and b) to make sure there’s enough word of mouth out there about silliness and plot in ep 4 that ep 3 didn’t drive away traditional viewers like the premiere of S2 did.

yes but could he not have structured the episodes accordingly? it seems more than coincidence that the plot begins to firm at the end of ep 4

having watched it all again, mirrors seem to be emerging as a major theme of this series: literal ones, like the one good coop looks into in dougie's home and the ones behind susan when she's watching tv, but also good coop mimicking everyone (verbally and sometimes physically, e.g. the way he copies the casino manager just before he's sent home), and also in people looking/being identical but taking diametrically opposite roles (and not just the doppelgängers—bobby now works in the same police station he was initially locked up in, jerry doesn't look or sound the same, and james is apparently happy and no longer permanently morose).

red room thing floating above the slot machines looked like this:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-h5L-k_UjlSU/VXrjcBuXbGI/AAAAAAAAAO4/PMY9-jV7I6s/s1600/sacred%2Bheart.png

quick observations after binge-watching first 4 eps:

- as others have noted, this feels less like a TP continuation and more like a new project entirely, closer in spirit to Eraserhead or Wild at Heart
- glass box sequences are incredible. Only Lynch can make an establishing shot of New York City feel menacing
- the Black Lodge sequences feel stale, especially without Anderson and Silva. Ejecting MacLachlan into space was a good decision, cinematically
- MacLachlan is playing three different characters so far (the evil "Mr. C", Dougie, Mr. Jackpots), none of whom bear any resemblance to Agent Dale Cooper
- Cera as budget Brando is a brilliant piece of casting, but it's Forster as the straight man who makes the scene work comedically
- Naomi Watts looks anorexic
- of the many meta-textual references my favorite is Gordon Cole interviewing Evil Cooper. The scene is sinister in its own right, but it also permits the director Lynch to confront his most popular creation, and admit, after a span of 25 years, that he no longer really understands it

xp

*yells into Jesus's heart*

helloooooooo

I'd argue that he's playing Dale Cooper in the scenes inside the red room, he just doesn't really have dialogue

I also take Mr. Jackpots to be Agent Cooper with some serious memory gaps

- MacLachlan is playing three different characters so far (the evil "Mr. C", Dougie, Mr. Jackpots), none of whom bear any resemblance to Agent Dale Cooper

all of the emmys, all of them

The Giant is now referred to in the show credits as "???????"

"- Naomi Watts looks anorexic"

this isn't new. she is actually very tiny but she's also been scary thin forever.

can we not do that

yeah pls

I'm guessing the plot arc is that those two mysterious Vegas guys from ep. 1 find Mr. Jackpots and confuse him for evil Cooper?

and who is this mysterious billionaire?

and can I use the word mysterious again?

re-watched ep 1 pt 1 last night and one thing that struck me as majorly different from previous series - in addition to the much more sparing use of music cues - is that the pacing/length of scenes is almost totally different. Scenes/sequences are generally allowed to go on for much longer and take up much bigger chunks of individual episodes, instead of constantly jumping from one subplot to the next every 5 minutes. Not surprising given the changes in the format, but v welcome.

for ex ep 1 pt 1 consists almost entirely of three discrete, p long sequences - the glass box, Buckhorn CSI, and Evil Coop - with a couple other brief scenes (Jacoby, Great Northern, TP PD) thrown in.

Yeah, which shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone given how lynch has been moving in that direction since forever

yeah there's a reason this is "the return" and not s3

I think "18-hour film in 1hr parts" will turn out to be the perfect format for lynch

the glass box set is so so good

are they all confirmed to be 1 hour? i thought i remembered that at some point there was speculations that different episodes parts might be different lengths? that could have just been a dream, but i was excited about the prospect of an episode part being 103 minutes out of nowhere

also, probably discussed up thread, but lol at the episode/part thing. when watching on showtime, the title is

TWIN PEAKS: THE RETURN
Season 1 Ep 4: Part 4

so on the last part it will be Ep 18: Part 18? i can just imagine the tedious studio executive argument that led to that outcome. it that sounds like a classic compromise where absolutely no one is happy

I think they did talk about differing lengths, but in one of the big articles just before they said "18 parts of around an hour each", so I don't think they'll differ by much

Re music, one of the things I was most psyched for was new badalamenti music, but I honestly can't think of a single moment so far where I would take out the drone and put in some new variation on TP music. The breakfast scene with "take 5" was amazing

(Also, I have no idea whether badalamenti is contributing to the drones or if that comes under "sound design by david lynch"

yeah, i wondered that too. i would guess the drones are pure lynch, given their similarities to the sounds of eraserhead. it's a shame alan splet isn't still around to help.

(weird detail on alan splet's brief wikipedia page: "In 1979, he won an Oscar for his work on the film The Black Stallion. He did not attend the Academy Award ceremony, and became the butt of a series of jokes by Johnny Carson.")

Reminded me of Francis Bacon's boxes quite a bit.

http://blog.francis-bacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/FBE114_Man-with-Head-Wound_1955-thb-FACEBOOK.jpg

https://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/8/88760/1838224-francis_bacon___study_for_figure_v__1956_.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/4a/26/96/4a269650ed6b18aa3f489743b187d0fc.jpg

etc.

The one in the middle esp.

Just getting caught up with this thread now but wanted to go back to this...I tried looking through the Secret History book for the exact passage but I'm pretty sure that ring was in the possession of Dougie Milford at some point? Not that that clears anything up.

― cwkiii, Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:14 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

in addition to the ring, i think the secret history book may also refer, albeit obliquely, to whatever came out of the glass box and ate madeline zima and that dude (gray body, bigass black eyes)

currently assuming that the thing that comes out of the box in ep 1 pt 1 is the doppelganger of the Evolution of the Arm referenced later in pt 2.

could turn out to be something else entirely, obviously.

just finished part 3, and the coop-in-negative-space stuff is the best thing ive seen in tv or movies all year

that would also make sense xp

I wonder if we'll see Dougie in golden bean form again

the sequence is all fucked up in my head but istr good coop saying "call for help" a load of times and that random woman in the house yelling "ONE ONE NINE" a load of times. and good coop's from backwards land. this probably means nothing though.

That part was so intensely weird hat I think a lot of us unintentionally suppressed the memory.

I remembered 1-1-9 but couldn't remember the context at all.

they're in a house near Dougie, right...? I read the scene as a kind of aftershock/side-effect of Cooper's escape from the Black Lodge. but who knows.

is that the last time we see good coop?

Badalamenti is great but I'm really enjoying the fact this new series isn't slathered in music so far.

Lynchian sound design over music? Yes, please.

otm

yeah, but I wouldn't mind more. or something else. I wouldn't mind some Johnny Jewel soundtrack music actually; it hearkens back to, but doesn't slavishly imitate, Badalamenti; it's similar, but different.

My guess is that the lack of new AB music in the early going is intentional, and it'll pick up as the series goes on. That's nothing but a guess.

I haven't watched so I'm not reading anything here, just came to share this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGUboLZx3Tk

I liked the new lynch jam that played over the night driving sequence

wasn't that American Woman?

Yeah, lynch remix of same (I think he just slowed it down)

That driving scene was so dope, esp when you consider it in relation to coop's entrance to the pilot

Have now watched all 4, and love it. What stands out most to me is that Lynch is having a blast. Which I would hope, because why else would he go to all the effort?

There's a vocal melody about half way through that Chromatics song that reminds me of "Wish Fulfillment" by Sonic Youth every time I hear it

I thought the same thing!

same

If Tom Petty can sue for a songwriting credit on that Sam Smith song, Sonic Youth deserves one for the Chromatics song.

Feel like Naomi Watts plays a similar character to Betty in Mulholland Drive: over-acting, encounters a person carrying a large amount of money which they can't really explain the acquisition of due to trauma.

Also, similar deja vu with Kyle taking a piss... felt like an echo of similar scene in Blue Velvet.

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson)
Posted: May 23, 2017 at 8:50:07 AM
dana ashbrook crying at laura's picture is my favorite thing that happens so far

ding ding ding

YES

scenery-chewing Bobby has still got it. and holy fuck he is still hella handsome. i've seem him in other stuff so maybe it was just old nostagia this time but 😍

i am fully caught up, in love & so happy with all of this

HELLLOOOOOOO

so is cannes

David Lynch returned to the Grand Theatre Lumiere tonight with the two-hour premiere of his Showtime series Twin Peaks and received a huge five-minute standing ovation.

I hate to be that guy but...iirc Cannes is much nicer/sympathetic towards elder statesmen filmmakers generally, no?

yeah but sill great. this could be his greatest work and the last major thing he ever does. the dude teared up, it was wonderful.

don't get me wrong, it's nice, but I feel like cannes reception stuff gets overblown. (incl w/ FWWM - almost everything gets booed to some extent!)

it's certainly going off the rails with its recent stoushes with netflix and whatnot

The opinions of grown adults who boo films have never been worth paying attention to

they should have used that still posted upthread of jackpots with a tie on his head in all the promos

Talmudic thinkpiece:

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/235356/twin-peaks-and-house-of-cards

rewatched ep 1 pt 2 and paid a little bit more attention to Evil Coop's scheme (and betrayal by his underlings). Coming around to wins' interpretation that BOB and Evil Coop are distinct personalities. They are shown as such when in the Black Lodge, and the references to being "with BOB" do leave some room for interpreting him as a guiding force if not an ever-present possessor. For ex. when Agent Jeffries says he is looking forward to being "with BOB" again it's in the context of Evil Coop going back into the Black Lodge and Evil Coop gets upset - there is some implication there that going back to the Black Lodge will separate him from BOB, because BOB will be w Jeffries in Evil Coop's absence...? idk

Evil Coop's scheme - involving getting some unspecified information (apparently "coordinates"?) from someone named Hastings (or, at least, his secretary) - is still p opaque, but it could be Hastings is the billionaire w the glass box, and Evil Coop wants to know where it is? Maybe so he can stop Cooper coming through? Or meet up with the Arm's doppelganger?

who knows, really

my wife is convinced that if Evil Coop/BOB could "manufacture" Dougie that he must have manufactured others too, including his henchmen...? idk about this either.

hastings is bill hastings, the principal who was arrested for the murder of the beheaded woman.

haha oh shit totally didn't put that together thx

doppelcoop kills his wife, phyllis hastings. we haven't seen the secretary yet (i don't think).

I wonder what info he wanted to get from Hastings (or the spirit possessing him - which was what I assumed the disappearing weirdo in the next cell was)

i thought the coordinates he was talking about was the entrance to the black lodge, but i have to say i have not followed what's going on very well

Hastings breakdown from normal wrongly-accused well-adjusted person to deeply-troubled psychopath struck me as similar to how Phillip Gerard became Mike ("without chemicals he points").

i feel like that situation is more complicated even than it looks. when doppelcoop shoots his wife the scene gets glitchy, and it almost looks like she separates into two or as if something comes out of her. if he is "possessed" in the way that leland was possessed, it must involve his wife's connection to doppelcoop, which is unclear. he says something to her like "you followed human nature perfectly" so is she not exactly human?

when doppelcoop shoots his wife the scene gets glitchy, and it almost looks like she separates into two or as if something comes out of her.

idk like I said I watched this last night, and I didn't see this in this scene. you recalled his dialogue correctly though.

but yeah obviously he's connected to BOB and doppelcoop somehow and appears "possessed"

def a fluctuation when coop shoots her. interesting choice, i thought

there were a couple scenes where i noticed (or thought i noticed!) subtle glitchy stuff going on. i need to watch these episodes again.

yeah idk maybe I blinked or something

i feel like even her surroundings kind of go out of whack during that scene, distorted like with a magnet or something.

i feel like that situation is more complicated even than it looks. when doppelcoop shoots his wife the scene gets glitchy, and it almost looks like she separates into two or as if something comes out of her. if he is "possessed" in the way that leland was possessed, it must involve his wife's connection to doppelcoop, which is unclear. he says something to her like "you followed human nature perfectly" so is she not exactly human?

― wmlynch, Friday, May 26, 2017 5:25 PM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you saw this too! i thought it was my cable!

here's a gif from the dugpa forum: http://www.dugpa.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4301

huh

says something to her like "you followed human nature perfectly" so is she not exactly human?

I took this as BOB/Doppelcoop making an observation about humans and how all of them are ultimately self-serving, greedy, violent bastards.

Have we talked about Coop's shoes that are still in the Black Lodge? I'm entertaining the idea that his memories and human intelligence were located there, and when he transitioned back into the real world without them, he became (Dougie) Jones From Cincinnati. (See also Jade putting the shoes on for Coop.)

evil coop and bill hastings were born in buckhorn on the same day

at least according to the screens with their respective police records (no way was evil coop born in 1971)

surely the police just think evil Coop is regular Coop

although that would mean Coop was 19 in 1990 so uh waht

yes and they apparently didn't check his details in that scene when they were all staring at his record on the screen

xp yep weird

oops i meant 1973

found these on a dugpa thread:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170525/1e58acb762cb03580f0ffe3d51a71462.jpg

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170525/5109b11b2994056ba81b2600cd7876f5.jpg

I rewatched the first 2 episodes this afternoon and there are almost too many little oddities to count. When Sam and Tracey are taking off their clothes, I believe the sounds of rustling fabric are going in reverse like in the Black Lodge.

These four episodes have been haunting my brain (in the best possible way) since I've seen them and I'm so excited to go through them again. On first view was taking it in as a pure nightmare sound and vision experience and the actual nuts and bolts of what is actually happening here was an almost a tertiary concern, so pretty psyched to come at it from a more grounded perspective.

Thread's been fun and informative, looking forward to watching/thinking/discussing this throughout the summer. Weirdly giddy about it in a way I haven't been with other TV stuff pretty much ever.

On first view was taking it in as a pure nightmare sound and vision experience and the actual nuts and bolts of what is actually happening here was an almost a tertiary concern, so pretty psyched to come at it from a more grounded perspective.

same. i enjoyed it loads more the second time through, rewatching scenes, pausing on detail &c. it doesn't feel dense at all until you start paying close attention to everything that's going on (including the sound design—there are moments when something barely audible or lightning fast gives a clue to what's happening, e.g. bad coop saying "very" backwards).

Last 3 posts otm, love this beyond measure, love how focused on small details these threads have been, can't wait to start rewatching tonight.

I need to rerun the scene with Laura whispering in Coop's ear at full volume, because something is audible there, and not just his gasp.

really?? oh man

Hmm, some sibilant sounds and the word "whisper" is whispered, but that's all I could make out.

this VF piece has some good nuggets
http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/05/twin-peaks-season-1-easter-eggs-episode-1-2-3-4

suggested that the woman in Twin Peaks that Agent Cole & Albert are going to seek out might be Sarah Palmer, since she was always able to see BOB

it does seem like they've thought this series through for the modern age of dvrs and endless rewatching. it reward multiple views. there are all kinds of tiny things you'd never notice; the librarian's house has a book called "Indian Heritage" on top of the bookcase. Who would have ever seen that sort of thing 25 years ago?

'er indoors: "is this whole thing backwards?"

ooh maybe

That vanity fair article is a lot of nothing eh, major characters & things from the film being referenced aloud are not "Easter eggs"

Re the shoes not coming through, iana Reddit sleuth thank Christ but I noticed that coop's fbi pin is also missing, which occurred to me as resembling the disappearance of his ring at the beginning of s2 - has anyone with sharper eyes than me noticed if he's wearing his signature pinky ring at any point so far?

david lynch built a table

Part 1 also suggests the story of Laura Palmer (Sheryl Lee) might be far from over. Will she live again and get justice? Maybe revenge?

Hmm. Let’s see what happens.

The head on top — is it a talking brain, pituitary gland, or neuron?
It’s just a head.

It looks like a brain to me.
It’s just a head.

Well, you got a great performance out of the tree.
Thank you.

Hmm, some sibilant sounds and the word "whisper" is whispered, but that's all I could make out.

This was really prominent with headphones on, what a weird detail

You know what scene I was really surprised to kinda like on rewatch, was the Denise scene! When I wasn't cringing myself into a dense golden ball at the "when you were Dennis" speech (which I am not gonna try and defend, I am swerving out of my lane as it is) and the frankly dumb retcon that she was undercover as a dea agent I really liked how they played it, esp the stuff with Richard Chamberlain (WELL THERE YA GO!)

"i told them to change their hearts or die" is a lightning rod for the current era imo

I believe it was "fix" their hearts but yeah, the easy highlight of an otherwise :/ scene

oh of course, i saw "change" in the article and forgot

Yeah I could almost go for it as a "ppl do actually talk like this" (& expect a round of applause for it) thing, and Cole is an old guy as his kinda self-aware bit about Tammy indicates, but I really don't wanna be bending over backward making excuses for these guys, it's not 1991 anymore and it was all so unnecessary & baffling - the hormone line & Gordon's wince - but 2nd time round I did like the performance of the federal bureau of investigation bit esp lynch's deadpan "IT IS THRILLING, DENISE"

Also

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAyEXgLW0AEqLPB?format=jpg&name=large

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia7RfacWglc

i started a rewatch last night, got through episode 1 and half of episode 2, and everything that was kind of 'off' or sat with me poorly the first time didn't bother me at all this time. It helped that I was alone this time and not with a mix of people who had various levels of passion about this show.

The Mr. Jackpots and Mr. Jackpots at Home sequences were nice comic relief the first time through, but easily skippable during a second viewing.

u crazy

^^^

I've been avoiding all takes outside of this thread - I know that every idiot's opinion is as valid as anyone's but "(obvious alienation effect) really took me out of it" is not useful to me - but have caught up with the Diane and Lodgers podcasts

From the former I was pretty horrified to realise how the multiple eye mutilations & especially bad coop's shooting Phyllis & Daria is a mirror of the scene in the original series at the shooting range ("two through each eye" or whatever) - it's upsetting how much of this guy was already present in "our" coop, from the use of the dictaphone to the uncomfortable reminder that the Daria scene is not the first time we've seen Dale Cooper punch a woman

The scenes where Dale is being buffeted by greenscreen shakeycam, he has these comical expressions that really remind me of Cary Grant (whom Kyle M has always resembled a bit) against rear projection - just totally game

the whole gordon/denise scene is kind of cringeworthy, if on the right page, but the dialogue about agent preston (chrystal bell's character) seemed to have this metatextual bit to it, acknowledging lynch's obsession with this chanteuse archetype

the undertone being "david, stop trying to make chrysta bell happen!' and then the next bits being gordon still doing his "wow, what a woman!" shtick

it is so weird chrystal bell's character - the worst one in the new series, i think - is the leading character in the frost book (apparently. i haven't read it)

idk if I have any conclusions on her character, all she's done is strut and glare