thread for ppl who aren't watching Twin Peaks Season 3

this shit is the hipster version of being a furry at this point

http://gothamist.com/2017/05/17/twin_peaks_night.php#photo-1

I don't even own a tv

"this show taught me how to be weird"

http://hottopic.scene7.com/is/image/HotTopic/10868319_hi

well, of course it is

hey whiney did you ever watch a Herzog movie

i look fwd to seeing this series for free someday, but i'd bet most of the costume ppl watch no other weird filmmakers' stuff, just MARVEL movies.

http://www.gigslutz.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/XIU-XIU.jpg

that said if ppl are gonna dress up for shit it might as well be quality

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Watch the New “Twin Peaks” Intro

The show’s iconic title sequence has gotten an update

http://pitchfork.com/news/73645-watch-the-new-twin-peaks-intro/

deputy andy brennan: "i can't put down this ... dang fidget spinner"

Hey, man, have you even seen Marvel movies, they are faaaar out.

Whiney, I will give it up to you on the TP fandom. Hate to be a fun Nazi because god bless if you can eke out some enjoyment in this life, but seriously...fuck off with the cherry pie and the damn good coffee already.

I don't even own a tv

I think you mean "I'm too poor for Quality Cable elitism"

I want to join the party, but I still haven't seen season 2 or the movie.

I mean, this also crosses over into the sickness that is binge-watching, the generational lie that is "prestige TV" and the worst impulses of consumptive-capitialism-as-identity-signaling; all joining forces for a middlebrow shitstorm that lets you buy dick joke T-shirts at Hot Topic.

criticizing the larger culture/market/audience instead of the actual product eh

welcome to the black lodge

this also crosses over into the sickness that is binge-watching

actually they are going with a classic weekly rollout with this new season

what i love is how this isn't about twin peaks

Your critical concerns in that arena have some merit, Whiney, but I wonder sometimes if you remember laughter.

https://media.giphy.com/media/zDblGyoaNqwLu/giphy.gif

i look fwd to seeing this series for free someday, but i'd bet most of the costume ppl watch no other weird filmmakers' stuff, just MARVEL movies.

― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, May 22, 2017 11:01 AM (fifteen minutes ago)

How much would this bet be, and are you talking Monopoly money or real money?

Remember when a band called themselves "Twin Peaks" and websites covered them instead of laughing at them

whiney you'd be into this the soundtrack is 90 percent static drones

can't wait to read 700 thinkpieces about it

How much would this bet be

i've seen more Bushwick millennials at close range than you have; trust me

https://www.google.com/webhp?hl=en&ictx=2&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwikrcTJ8IPUAhVLRCYKHbbOBpsQPQgD#hl=en&q=%22how+twin+peaks%22

can't wait to read 700 thinkpieces about it

― Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, May 22, 2017 9:21 AM (thirty-one seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i agree that the context in which this show is airing sucks

it is best to focus on the thing and not the fans, as with Jesus or Fight Club

Just let the resurgent phenomenon die out on its own. The casual fans will drift away as soon as they recognize Lynch's steadfast resistance to giving them what they want.

https://cnet3.cbsistatic.com/img/7TzPMbcPZ2GB0Hr0v2Moy7-qfPs=/fit-in/970x0/2017/03/16/7a165371-3961-4652-b4a4-59792d28b3f3/feliciamst3k2.jpg

https://www.google.com/search?q=rollingstone.com+twin+peaks&oq=rollingstone.com+twin+peaks&aqs=chrome..69i57.3591j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

"I don't want to know anything when I go into a theater. I like to discover it, get into that world, try to get as good of picture and sound as possible, no interruptions – so you can have an experience. And anything that putrefies that is not good."

man, dude not into liveblogging

I'm into that method

i can kind of see where OP is coming from, the marketing and social media aspects of this revival are kind of cheapening it to some degree, but that really doesn't matter when Lynch is given a budget and full artistic control.

imagine if Seinfeld came back and Larry David could do whatever he wanted, people would be psyched. a perfect storm of 90s nostalgia and tv idolization. but it doesn't really matter, it's just marketing, they have always had this for any tv show. it will pass. what does annoy me is people saying "casuals" unironically. as if there is some hierarchy to you understanding Twin Peaks by watching more of it or reading more about it. i don't think that is necessarily the case nor the way Lynch structures the symbolism in his works. he works on a subconscious level, his symbolism is instantly spellbinding on a moment to moment basis, it is not dependent on narrative or linear cohesion. anyone who has seen his last 2 movies would know this. i'm most excited for the casuals who are just bandwagoning tbh.

are you literally posting "what if seinfeld present day" tho

Lunch was, uh, six dollars and thirty-one cents at the Lamplighter Inn, that's on Highway Two near Lewis Fork. That was a tuna fish sandwich on whole wheat, slice of cherry pie, and a cup of coffee. But if you want a good cronut and macchiato, brother

"Diane, it struck me again earlier this morning, there are two things that continue to trouble me. And I'm speaking now not only as an agent of the Bureau but also as a human being. Why were the anime nazis so quick to adopt Pepe, a cartoon frog invented by a liberal cartoonist?"

Also Diane is the memos app on his iPhone

What if it turned out that he sent all of his tapes to the Cheers set and Shelley Long ultimately had to take out a restraining order against him?

so in that alternate universe you would have posted a thread declaring you are not watching the new Seinfeld?

if Seinfeld came back and Larry David could do whatever he wanted

tbf this already happened

I mean, for all of Seinfeld's transgressive and revolutionary things, it was still, for a good five years, one of the most popular television shows on the planet.

Twin Peaks was a cult phenomenon being elevated by time and probably, through no small measure, by the type of traditonally privileged people who inherited all the media jobs. This feels more like if Husker Du reunited and the media went on an all-points bulletin

Smiths would probably be a better comparison

This feels more like if Husker Du reunited and the media went on an all-points bulletin

I look forward to your day job totally ignoring their forthcoming Numero Group box set.

there are some similarities between this thread and the things that it's criticizing

Twin Peaks was a top rated show during its first season. It was not Freaks and Geeks-level cult.

lol also KM otm

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it's also been hugely influential on subsequent shows - X-Files, Sopranos, Mad Men, etc.

but you know all this shit Whiney

(also Seinfeld was garbage fyi)

Thanking u for the information.

If you like films tho, David Lynch films... are good

I feel like this thread sentiment would have shone as a single post in the garbage thread "things you just don't care about" but I understand that a whiney gets parched and I 100% genuinely endorse the bad sociology

I'm in this club but I'm sure I'll get around to seeing it in ten years or so

whiney should go full seinfeld and open up any future criticism/analysis product with a more polished version of himself workshopping this hot topic shirt material on ilx

Also, I think there's gonna be like a different indie rock band in the Bang Bang Bar every week, like Flaming Lips stopping by the Peach Pit on 90210

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJC6GWZGswY

David Lynch is great though, and season 1 of Twin Peaks was such a great run of episodes. the nostalgia comes from that (not S2, when the network got overly involved with demands), when it was one of the highest rated shows on TV. however i think what i look forward to most is the show going full weird Lynch and losing a lot of the cherry pie fright rags t shirt brigade.

is whiney a parody of whiney the ilx poster of yore, a parody of the actual person whiney g is behind the whining, a parody of something else, or just something else?

the cherry pie fright rags t shirt brigade

how many of these people are there, really? this is such a strawman. I don't know any of these people irl. in my experience people are either on the Lynch train or they're not, there isn't really this middle ground of people who only love this one oddly popular thing he did once.

the number of people who are on the Lynch train, meaning willing to go all the way with him, is far less than the number of people who watched Twin Peaks and enjoyed it during its first season, and far less than the number of people who are excited for its return. I imagine there are a lot of people who loved the series who never saw FWWM, Lost Highway, Mulholland Drive, Inland Empire, etc. I mean that's just obvious. so yeah, i guess i mean the people who like the ephemera of the show but not the complete content or odd subtexts and so on.

you mentioned Herzog before, it's kinda the same thing to a much lesser extent right? The group of people who like Herzog as a meme (probably due largely to Grizzly Man) doesn't overlap fully with the people who watched Fitzcarraldo or Cobra Verde.

ha that's not a bad point

(tbf the reason I brought up Herzog was this thread tho: Gummo: Classic or dud?

(tl,dr summary = Whiney slags off Korine and Gummo as poseur bullshit, I point out that Korine is v much a student of Herzog, Whiney says he's never seen a Herzog movie)

Of the 8 ppl I watched 1&2 with last night, 6 are TP fans mostly perplexed and disappointed with the new direction. Lynch's late (and early, which this feels like a return to) style's distance from the rhythms of classic soaps/noir are a big part of this imo.

heh let people enjoy things

i never really loved anything Lynch did til Mulholland Dr, so the late-period gravy might be my nectar.

(in retro, i rather loved The Straight Story last time i watched -- again, post-TP)

I don't know any of these people irl.

too old, mate

6 are TP fans mostly perplexed and disappointed with the new direction

baffling. New eps felt v much in line w series finale + FWWM to me, w a slightly different/updated look

this is not the thread for making the case for David Lynch as a director worth paying attention to, this is a thread for whiney g weingarten to post that something is just the equivalent of something for people that like something, + a bizarre number of replies to same

no, whiney likes things, other people pretend to like things

― harbl, Tuesday, June 8, 2010 2:04 AM (six years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

basically this reminds me of an Ivy League friend who wore an Indy Jones costume to opening night of Temple of Doom

lol harbl otm

What fascinates me is that despite broadcasting a rather unhealthy portrayal of violence towards women, Twin Peaks has so far never really received a backlash that other more recent shows got (thinking Game of Thrones). I wonder if over the course of many episodes those groupies will realize that Lynch, despite his genius, remains a 70 years old men who filmed a lot of abuse for the sake of shock. Especially considering a lot of Twin Peaks fandom consist of women... I don't know, putting it out there.

for the sake of shock

this requires some unpacking imo

half the anticipation thread is ppl saying "the marketing is annoying as shit but Lynch is getting 18 hours of creative control so wgaf"

this thread seems to live in a world where last night was 2 hours of the cast dancing while shoveling pie into their mouths.

xpost Nah, that sounds about right. It's why they call him the Shockmeister, iirc.

Shakey the finale and fwwm are pretty distant from the soap/noir style of the first 14 eps, which is what the TP fans I watched with wanted to see--the sweetness and comraderie amongst the dark and baffling stuff.

despite broadcasting a rather unhealthy portrayal of violence towards women, Twin Peaks has so far never really received a backlash that other more recent shows got

related:

https://newrepublic.com/article/117323/twin-peaks-and-origin-dead-woman-tv-trope

http://www.wnyc.org/story/beautiful-dead-girl-trope/

Of the 8 ppl I watched 1&2 with last night, 6 are TP fans mostly perplexed and disappointed with the new direction. Lynch's late (and early, which this feels like a return to) style's distance from the rhythms of classic soaps/noir are a big part of this imo.

― sciatica, Monday, May 22, 2017 2:27 PM (twenty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I was just thinking too like how rooted in time this was, like, 1990 was such a perfect distance from 1950s soap operas and the Roy Orbison-y songs like "Just You" to make it feel so much more uncanny/dreamlike, and now we're so A) further removed from that era and B) Any use of it would just lose similar meaning and just become an aesthetic

Did any of my tr00 peak freaks buy the cool dead woman doll

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0552/1401/products/12696_TWIN_PEAKS_Laura_Plamer_GLAM_HiRes_1024x1024.jpg?v=1485796476

our own tuomas has repeatedly charged Lynch re: misogyny and conservatism, while still (I think?) being nominally a fan, I don't think that stuff has been overlooked in the discourse about this show in particular

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I don't *personally* know anyone into waterlogged dead women tbh

Also, Οὖτις, I've seen Cave of Forgotten Dreams and Nosferatu by this point.

*whew*

I mean, this also crosses over into the sickness that is binge-watching, the generational lie that is "prestige TV" and the worst impulses of consumptive-capitialism-as-identity-signaling; all joining forces for a middlebrow shitstorm that lets you buy dick joke T-shirts at Hot Topic.

― Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, May 22, 2017 9:11 AM (two hours ago

I preferred Whiney Season 2 with the OI MATES BIG BOTTOM BIRD NEWSIE-WEWSIES aesthetic

https://s3.amazonaws.com/coatandtails/img/blog/loglady.jpg

HAHAHAHAH and thanks for including "Perfect Shayna" as an illustration of your rant -- that was mildly cathartic

lol sarahell

but it is a bit uncanny that only days after Pippa's nuptials, Whiney has created a new meme to keep alive

cmon whiney we'll all be dead soon anyway

Hi. I am glad this thread exists. I went to grad school with one of the principles of FWWM and, after, worked directly under two people who had written/edited significant parts of TP (or, as ILX calls them "Lynch Collaborators"). All of them, when confronted with genius-auteur-gnostic-cosmic-unconsciousness series fandom, were perplexed/amused at how poorly understood was the commercial television aspect of the enterprise. I keep typing posts arguing against the elevation of Lynch and chickening out of posting them because they sound personal/"hot-takes"y, and not like reasoned counters to a decent-enough dirextor's culture appeal. And I like TP just fine! But I just... the fans have bulletproofed themselves against all criticism, and I dare not wander into the fray.

It's like a scarecrow convention up in this thread.

If you're referring to me, I actually tried to float thos things on the main TP thread and ... you can see the result.

ppl reply, it's simply awful

I actually tried to float thos things on the main TP thread and ... you can see the result.

actually I can't, just searched three threads for posts by you and didn't see any...?

In retrospect FWWM feels like it has a more obvious (and obnoxious) relationship to the pie-and-coffee stuff of the original, turning it on its head in a schematic way, repeating old lines in less resonant contexts (Let's Rock on the windowshield for example), and laboriously making explicit the horrors that were mostly alluded to before. This so far has a couple of pro forma moments early then really takes off into new territory.

ppl didnt understand david lynch in the correct manner?

kind of an inherent risk in his method tbf

xp the obviousness of FWWM is kind of a weakness imo

Dude, you responded to one of them. Different login.

I mean, let it be said, I'm a huge fan of the Peaks, I just think that

A) Adding new seasons to a show built on dead-ends on mysteries is stupid and defeats everything that the show supposedly taught a generation to understand/accept

B) Rebooting a show built on 50s detournment so far away from the original timeline is ridiculous

C) My Twitter feed has been a toilet all week

D) Most importantly, the last five years of fandom/cultural impact has turned AWAY from interesting, uses of textures and ideas like Anthrax calling a song "Black Lodge" or Bohren and Der Club of Gore making Badalamenti a way to make jazz or even Lana Del Ray making pop moves with a similar world of 50s nostalgia and gauze. In the last few years it's just been bands calling themselves "Twin Peaks" and "Pwin Teaks" and mass-produced little Dale Cooper action figures and Hot Topic dick jokes and cosplay parties and Xiu Xiu touring off a cover show. The show moved from a hotbed of unique, sui generis ideas into a single, monolithic cultural signpost.

i really want to watch twin peaks but i don't have showtime

still, none of that is as bad as ilxors using multiple logins

B) Rebooting a show built on 50s detournment so far away from the original timeline is ridiculous

uh, I don't think you understand what detournement means

oh soda is remy bean? I guess? yeah I think the challops in the previous thread fundamentally misunderstand Lynch

dunno where to start w Whiney's nonsense

xpost, yeah, i do, but i def used it wrong there ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I have a feeling lynch doesn't care much about C or D, A and B are literally gibberish

misusing French critical theory terms is the hipster version of a Trump speech at this point

Whiney G - situationist scholar - exciting newsie-wewsies!

just flushed me 'ole thread down the loo innit

My grandpappy helped lay a bridge over the Rhine and threw a couple of grenades in the direction of a kraut foxhole, yet the sheeple insist it's Eisenhower who won the war, its very perplexing.

Is this Whiney's hemiola moment

Guy Debord - top bloke, always comin 'ome blind he was

I've been following a stupid Twin Peaks meme facebook group and it's given me all kinds of flashbacks to all the kids of my very late teens/early 20s who were all about this shit

it's a different world, I remember one of my close friends talking about how the two local video rental places kept losing the seventh tape of Twin Peaks on VHS or w/e and how it was seriously fucking with their viewing

seriously, who was the asshole in town who was stealing one particular tape?

can't really comment on any of this without seeming all old man at these kids, but a bunch of them seem interested in film and indie/foreign/old stuff

and a heartening number of them get angry when people bring up covers of twin peaks music

Is this Whiney's hemiola moment

― Number None, Monday, May 22, 2017 4:58 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I admitted I fucked up!

I'm not sure how much *more* Lynch would need to do on his stuff to be legit considered an "auteur" by remy. n/m the fact that the very term auteur was specifically created to apply to directors working w/in the studio system - ie, guys (always guys sad lol) who were not nearly as engaged in the minutiae as Lynch obviously is what with his sole sound design credit on this (for ex). Anyone who thinks Lynch literally does everything himself on any of his films, much less a big-network show like TP, is obviously ignorant of how things work, but Lynch's involvement w multiple aspects of his productions, his experience in other fields, and his consistency across his body of work mark him as a multi-talented figure, and not someone who's just willy-nilly taking credit for his collaborators' work to advance his own cult of personality. I wouldn't say that all that evidence is outweighed by the accounts of disgruntled former collaborators. And what other major American directors of his generation are there that are so engaged - Wes and PT Anderson, the Coens, Fincher I suppose? Not a big pool.

xxp

more like farteur

Lynch is returning to TV in a world where people use the word "showrunner"

Anyone who thinks Lynch literally does everything himself on any of his films, much less a big-network show like TP, is obviously ignorant of how things work, but Lynch's involvement w multiple aspects of his productions, his experience in other fields, and his consistency across his body of work mark him as a multi-talented figure, and not someone who's just willy-nilly taking credit for his collaborators' work to advance his own cult of personality.

we all know that this is the cinematic equivalent of rockism, yes? Just checking

idgi - where am I misapplying the values of a mode of criticism?

remy's post (maybe I should link it here) is primarily about how Lynch's rep as an "auteur" is undeserved.

Twin Peaks Returns to Showtime, lets anticipate!!

the worst art gallery talk I ever went to involved an artist who had a lot of sculpture in her exhibit but was a designer/illustrator and one particular audience member had to keep asking these "so.. you don't do the sculptures yourself?" leading questions, and she would explain, no, she has a studio and designs all the figures and works with sculptors

we had that auteur discussion elsewhere, let's not infect every thread w/it

The show moved from a hotbed of unique, sui generis ideas into a single, monolithic cultural signpost.

It's early but the first couple episodes seem to do a pretty good job of counteracting this.

But as some cultural critics might ask, who gives a SHIT? Lynch certainly doesn't. If the point is that late capitalism is sucking our culture dry then, sure, I'm with you, but I guess I see the lazy referential stuff as more akin to remoras than lampreys.

I'll let it go - I didn't bring it up

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I zung "auteur" talk pretty good iirc

It's ok tho if ultimately this series is not aimed at people who aren't fans of the excellent 21st century films of David Lynch or knowing what words mean

Not to say that Lynch is godhead and cannot be questioned but I think the flaws in the revival will be of his own making, not borne out of a wish to pander to the cosplay kids.

the people having the TP cultural moment problems itt - especially those who haven't seen it yet - need to just wait a couple days. in a few weeks it'll be as much of a hassle for you to deal with as inland empire was in 2006 (which iirc was very little mainstream attention) because this show is more uncompromising than that film, and 6 times as long

tbh I haven't watched any new Twin Peaks because I was watching less haute couture programming being shown binge-style on the SyFy channel

i can't imagine what the clickbait articles will be about in a week or two, other than "13 totally unexplainable things in the baffling return of twin peaks - you won't believe how much we don't understand #6!"

This new thing that barely pretends to be an old thing has ruined my twitter feed!

won't somebody please think of whiney's twitter feed

i fell asleep during Inland Empire tbh. I just want to be entertained. The original Twin Peaks was nice to look at and entertaining. I will eventually watch this update, and hopefully be entertained and have some dope eye candy.

i mean, i kinda get the weariness of seeing it. i am really sick of reading about those spinner toys or whatever

those pogs you like are going to come back into style

Do you think Donald Trump is watching Season 3 of Twin Peaks?

my real intro to lynch was when mulholland drive was at the college town cheap theater, saw it for $2 and again on two-for-one night for $1

imo nothing is going to top that price/value ratio, didn't even need to own a tv or internet connection so even free showtime is over the top

"ruined my twitter feed"

ime the baseline for twitter feeds in 2017 is ruin

does twin peaks feature THE ORB lol

http://store.sho.com/imgcache/product/resized/001/420/583/catl/twin-peaks-log-lady-t-shirt_670.jpg?k=6d97b80e&pid=1420583&s=catl&sn=showtimehttps://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/ee2456ae-675b-465d-a675-1e7989d207cd_1.ccd575a9701f9a15e83cdd6743961928.jpeg?odnWidth=560&odnHeight=560&odnBg=ffffff

https://img0.etsystatic.com/037/0/8945497/il_570xN.542697552_icok.jpg

that shirt is the wild palms to my twin peaks

we'll have forgotten this thread when whiney's making money off the book of dogs dressed like twin peaks characters

It would be cool if that was one shirt.

When I first saw this thread, I thought it would be like this one:

List of people who have recently purchased 'Capital' by Thomas Piketty

keep your wild palms off my twin peaks, buddy

something about max headroom

Is Donnie Wahlberg watching Twin Peaks Season 3?

do you think david lynch incorporated any reference to the fact there's a hooters-knockoff restaurant called "twin peaks" in this new series

man I saw a bit of wild palms, pee-ew

http://www.twinpeaksrestaurant.com/wp-content/uploads/Military-263x300.jpg

Chris Cornell: not watching Twin Peaks Season 3

peasky weaksy

xp wow

Peak Ilx for this thread to be longer than the Twin Peaks thread. Esp this coming from the threat starter, notable and esteemed hipster puppy auteur Weingarten. Hot garbage flies 'round for all of us.

We can do it

Is there anyone else besides me, Morbs and Sara who are like "Yeah, I can wait, thanks"

longer than the Twin Peaks thread

non-spoiler TP thread has twice as many answers as this one. Not everyone watched 4 hrs of TV last night (which is what the s3 spoiler thread is for)

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Whiney if it makes you feel any better, based on these first episodes, no one is going to be writing about the new episodes by late June

(I mean this as a compliment to the show)

Shakey, yeah soz, the non-spoiler and spoiler thread feel like the white and black lodges to me now. Dunnae know where to turn tbh.

do you think Chief Keef is watching Season 3 of Twin Peaks?

towards the light iirc

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xpost

^^ Music journalists of ILX, plz get on this.

what percentage of the people watching Season 3 of Twin Peaks are "wite ppl"?

light seems fine

https://i.imgur.com/c4jt321.png

50% tumblr wites, 50% world of young people

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Listening to Chief Keef rn.

yah of course tp fandom is fucking corny. mash up culture is fucking dumb duh wow hot take. tp burlesque nights have been happening even before facebook and that shit has always been cringy. but tp is like the best shit ever and this new season is the fucking shit. tp is like the cramps. they are the best band of all time but like 50 million dumb rockabillies are into them big schmeal.

Lux Interior: not watching Twin Peaks Season 3 - I have his autograph somewhere though, R.I.P.

I liked a thing until somebody else liked it wrong
I am pure
I am the one
Alone am I

-Old Lunch, age 14

I'm not watching either, WGW.

And for what it's worth, my argument re: Lynch's auterism (or his failure as such) isn't based on a tightly defined gate to auteurism, but on what I see a tendency to the platitudinous in Lynch himself. His themes, characters, dramatic structure, motifs are to my mind pretty standard, save for their art-school gloss. For a variety of reasons, he seems been allowed more creative control over his work than many of his contemporaries, and that gives him a little more rope than some of his '90s TV-creating peers. In other words, he got to leave in the fun shit that often made it to the cutting room floor on other shows. But the flourishes and fancies that he put into Twin Peaks, plus the VHS cult that rose around it, have lead to a critical overvaluation outsripping the show's actual merits. Which, just to be clear, are ample. But TP's fandom has focused on mythologizing far beyond the confines of the show itself (enabled/extended by Frost/Jen Lynch), in a manner that reminds me of, say, Doctor Who ––but with a veneer of intellectual superiority and insidery ' down the rabbit hole' stuff.

I guess I don't see DL's vision as so singularly his, nor necessarily unique, as much as a through-the-darkened-glass failed American soap opera. Which isn't a bad thing! But it's hardly original. Again - and I actually like Lynch – I just don't think TP is worth the crown of 'visionary.' What I mean to write is that I just don't think he's especially strange or special, no more than a lot of directors, especially when you consider with progenitors like Altman, Waters, Rafelson, Jewison, Hellman, Pollack, Forman. Οὖτις, I agree with you absolutely on the other thread that DL is a 'really this cult-y, insular dude that is still uniquely and thoroughly American,' but it doesn't mean I think he's earned special status.

edit: I just don't think David Lynch, judged on the merits of TP is worthy the crown of 'visionary'

it's weird that you restrict his rep solely to TP, which is not accurate

http://i.imgur.com/wc1W6pq.jpg

like if that was the only thing he had done yeah I don't think he would *quite* be singled out as much, but the rest of his work amplifies and informs the significance of his contributions to TP imo

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idk if anyone rates Twin Peaks as singularly Lynch's? most people seem to see it as a Lynch/Frost/Badalamenti joint and a bunch feel like the prequel movie wasn't true to the tone of the show

now, the *show's* rep as visionary has more to do with its impact on subsequent television (its prescience, if you will) than on it being a work of unparalleled genius. Cuz any TP fan will tell you - as evidenced by the various threads around here - that it is by any measure a flawed work.

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Οὖτις, i can rope in as much lynch as you want. but i was trying to talk about twin peaks in twin peaks thread.

it seems pretty mental to me to say that Lynch isn't an auteur (which has nothing to do with him being a visionary or whatever)

if you watch Badalamenti's anecdote about composing Laura Palmer's Theme (and I don't mean to denigrate his or Frost's contribution to the show) it's a fairly compelling argument for Twin Peaks as a channelling of Lynch's particular obsessions through his collaborators

what kind of bubblehead... nevermind

Why is that mental? Wait, here goes: Lynch isn't an auteur any more than Judd Apatow and Kevin Feige are.

lol come on Apatow doesn't even have a recognizable visual style

Damn, Apatowed. I guess we know what Remy's third login is.

Apatowned

when it comes down to it, being tagged as an auteur is a compliment given to people indicating that they have a distinct authorial voice, and that collaborators are guided by that voice (sometimes literally, with the lynch/badalamenti conversations). the implication is that the finished work belongs to the auteur, that their vision had primacy in the finished product

imo it's only really useful as a marker for consumers of media, so you can say "oh yeah this is a <x> production" and you know what you'll get. it almost always glosses over the other key collaborators that made or broke the standout productions -- wes anderson is consistent but variation in writing partners is definitely evident!

and yeah, you could make a case for the apatows or whatever. or george lucas.

If we're going by visual flair... then sure, Lynch is an auteur. Aesthetically, he's got a great thing going. His sound design is top notch, and his mis en scene is great. But, so?

he is and he isnt
can we stop now

I mean you could debate all day about who the ~true auteurs~ are and who is worthy of inclusion

imo there are a lot more auteurs in the fringe or low budget space. lloyd kaufman, john carpenter, roger corman, john waters, all the women I should know but don't because film is sexist and my own knowledge is shallow. every foreign director who's tagged in auteur in the US because we don't know the key collaborators because the names fell off on import

he is if you need him to be and he isnt if you need him not to be

other ppl arent actually watching this show at all, and if they are they are definitely doing so in just the right flavour that pleases you the most darling now shhhhhhh go to sleep

I want to diminish him and I think auteurism is good so he is not

Let's keep going to see just how much ground Remy can concede while staying properly riled.

this shit is the hipster version of being a furry at this point

― Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten)

i'm not watching this show but i am a furry. am i still welcome on this thread?

darragh you have no horse in this race. we're at the greyhound track

where does lynch fit on the auteurism spectrum

the hipster version of being a furry i mean good christ the hipster version of being a furry

if lynch is in auteur then so is THIS PUDDLE *jumps in puddle until bedtime*

like i should probably be watching this show as the last time it was on people kept asking me about it for two years straight even though i was fourteen at the time but i'm like five episodes behind in watching the one television show i do watch.

imo the only way to tell if someone is a film auteur is if nerdo theaters will have a "the films of this guy" series

roger corman, auteur

shut up everyone you're all annoying

i mean thank god people are talking about this weird trippy lsd shit instead of master of none or stupid mad men.

I mean you could debate all day about who the ~true auteurs~ are and who is worthy of inclusion

yes this is probably the most boring and cliche and pointless film nerd debate ever

dude, did you just go on a thread for people who aren't watching twin peaks and upbraid us for not watching twin peaks? that's some strong coffee, sir.

I think Remy is trying to teach people to unlearn all of their associations with the word Lynchian--very TM.

haha something is in the percolator xp

I just don't think Oson Welles, judged on the merits of his Paul Masson commercials, is worthy the crown of 'visionary'. Sorry, that's just how I feel.

Or his brother Orson, for that matter.

I just don't think Oson Welles, judged on the merits of his Paul Masson commercials, is worthy the crown of 'visionary'. Sorry, that's just how I feel.

― human/hutt hybrid (Old Lunch)

that's only because he didn't live long enough to make a playstation 2 commercial

really psyched to not watch this, actually got a head start re-not-watching the second season this week

going too actually watch it now, removing bookmark

can we talk about other shows we aren't watching right now?

i'm not watching The Americans but i kind of want to, especially since now more than ever a show that focuses on the tricky, twisted relationship of a pair of Soviet agents--as well as their own tricky, twisted relationship with the United States--seems cunningly prescient.

i'm not watching The Walking Dead, a show whose shift in focus away from the undead monsters and whose shift towards the all-too-terrifying human monsters who rise up in the wake of society's unrest and upheaval is spookily relevant in these unpredictable times.

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oh jfc

Not watching all those messages, don't care what u say.

imo the only way to tell if someone is a film auteur is if nerdo theaters will have a "the films of this guy" series

― mh, Monday, May 22, 2017 7:18 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

something in which Lynch excel, to be fair.

I'm cackling

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/twin-peaks-2017-season-3-premiere-ratings-episode-1-and-2-live-streaming-on-demand-showtime-a7752716.html

You win, Whiney! You win. God bless.

it was all because you didn't watch it

*tears bookhouse boys patch off shirt, throws log out window*

sin e an rud nua anois ha? "ratings", ha? pfft

Ppl pretend otherwise but the original twin peaks did badly in the ratings after the pilot

Inland empire box office not so hot either iirc

Mark frost always blames twin peaks ratings failure on the gulf war, im assuming this will be trump's fault

Sorry off topic, meant to sayhttps://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BN2YxN2NiN2ItODA0My00YmVmLTkxZWEtZmQyOTUzODNjY2ViXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNDUxNjc5NjY@._V1_UY268_CR4,0,182,268_AL_.jpg

I'm sure Lynch is in a blind panic over these numbers, worrying that this project over which he had complete creative control and which is going to be released in its entirety even if no one is watching and which is very likely the last filmed project he'll ever undertake might sour his chances of directing The Fateful Fastening of the Furious. I'm positively smirking.

i dunno, this might be a stretch, but wanting a project to fail (a continuation of one you admit to liking yourself) to spite a sliver of other people who like it in ~not a cool way~ is maybe fucking pathetic and sad

However, it's not too much a cause for concern, and perhaps far more an indication of how viewers choose to consume this kind of work.

Perhaps because it's near impossible to really spoil anything produced by David Lynch, it looks as if the weight of viewership fell on Showtime's on-demand services, with Deadline also reporting the network saw the single biggest day and weekend of signups ever for its streaming service, Showtime Anytime and Showtime On Demand.

"In the world that we live in now, offering original programming that attracts new subscribers is our primary business objective," said David Nevins, President and CEO, Showtime Networks in a statement. "By that standard, the Twin Peaks premiere is the biggest single-night driver we’ve ever had."

would watch a lynch movie called the single-night driver

i came for the Twin Peaks, i stayed for the exquisite selection of softcore

Ha yeah knowing what little I do about showtime's rep in the states I'm kinda surprised ppl are signing up in record numbers rather than just waiting to torrent

I didn't say I wanted it to fail, btw, I was just saying that attention/froth from press/Twitter is out of balance and corny

maybe if not probably that says something more about the press and twitter you choose to consume and follow and says you're a part of the relatively small target demo that this show is attempting to cultivate rather than it being out of balance.

Yes, I definitely feel targeted

And if this is what Showtime thinks of my demo then I feel disgusted

That seems a measured and reasonable reaction.

lol circa

I never had any plans to watch this (never even saw season 2 when it was new) but I am somewhat more sympathetic to Whiney's position after being sent a promo of an album by a band called Dale Cooper & the Dictaphones.

From the orbit of bands that gave us Free Nelson Mandoomjazz

I used to enjoy eating food with a spoon but then that band went and called themselves Spoon and now just looking at silverware makes me throw up in my mouth. What exceedingly-fragile components of my self-identity are people going to demolish next?

Do you just look at the epic bacon mustache zombie threads in mystified confusion?

"I don't understand, bacon is rather epic?"

epic bacon mustache zombie threads

the what now?

get on 77

no

Ppl pretend otherwise but the original twin peaks did badly in the ratings after the pilot

wins is not entirely wrong... the "first" (post-pilot) episode had a big dropoff vs Cheers

http://www.angelfire.com/in2/judesmovies/papers/twpe.htm

Remember when a band called themselves "Twin Peaks" and websites covered them instead of laughing at them

out of all the dumb shit in this thread this one hits me the most. i was pulling my hair out when ppl were treating this band as legit. you cant just name your band twin peaks, fucking idiots!

Isn't one of your American knockers restaurants called that

Is there anyone else besides me, Morbs and Sara who are like "Yeah, I can wait, thanks"

― Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, May 22, 2017 5:56 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i love the original show and i'll see this eventually, but in no hurry. i mean it's been long enough in coming so what's a few more months or w/e? i only got exposed to the original show six years ago so i haven't been waiting as long though.

there was a big thing a bunch of my friends were going to on Sunday to see it open at a movie-screen bar and i skipped it. unconsciously part of the reason probably lines up with whiney's thread-starting issues, where this is basically like the force awakens for a slightly different (but overlapping) lifestyle submarket. but it's also more like, man, there is NOTHING about o.g. twin peaks that says to me "this would be better watched in a crowded, sweaty bar with people cheering over the dialogue when familiar old faces and catch-phrases show up." so much of it is about solitary creepiness and being deeply unsettled by things. not to say that can't happen in something that is also 'entertainment' - that's obvious given the success of the original show! - but the particular culturally-embedded form of entertainment-eventness that we have before us in 2017 just isn't going to enhance my watching of this thing.

Yeah "viewing parties" and pies and whatever are a terrible way to go about things (but are a holdover from 1990 & not really anything to do w 2017 media consumption), but it's like how people dress up to sit in the dark in a cinema: it's not my business if ppl don't know how to watch things (Star Wars sucks for different reasons)

Isn't one of your American knockers restaurants called that

― in a soylent whey (wins)

it is and it confuses me. i would assume there are double entendres for knockers that don't evoke backwards-speaking dwarves.

Do you just look at the epic bacon mustache zombie threads in mystified confusion?

― Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:51 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes, but possibly for different reasons than you might assume.

a middlebrow shitstorm that lets you buy dick joke T-shirts at Hot Topic.

― Jay Elettronica Viva (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, May 22, 2017 9:11 AM (one month ago)

^ NEVER FORGET

David Bowie

i hope the next generation of privileged hipsters get really into nerd-ass SpazzNoiz rap rock and write thousands of fawning braindead thinkpieces about it and bingewatch middlebrow prestige tv about like, the Anger Management Tour so that Whiney is forced to disavow it

i hear there's a guy named Dougie

There is!

Also, tonight's episode was mind-blowing and maybe the most experimental thing Lynch has ever done and had almost zero explicit reference to the Twin Peaks people were familiar with before this year. Many a Showtime subscription was cancelled on this night, I'm certain.

But for every person who unsubscribed , another five people stood around and pointed and laughed at them

at least two things in this episode made me think whiney NEEDS to see this

Seriously, it's like the scene of the bronies scarfing platefuls of bacon at the RR was written just for him.

if you're all too cool for twin peaks, this episode was the exact opposite of twin peaks, which means you're also too cool for the exact opposite of twin peaks

MOR

You pricks this thread is for the non watchers fuck off

TBF, I am not watching Twin Peaks season 3 at this moment.

am i the only one that is so sick of the teens in hot topic wearing bright green gardening gloves and making Dougie Jones references? Twin Peaks is not a passing fad, teens, this shit is important and should be treated with respect

This too will fold in time into its allotted place in the texture of the living story

Twin Peaks:Whiney Stranger Things:Me

If you like films tho, David Lynch films... are good

I feel like this thread sentiment would have shone as a single post in the garbage thread "things you just don't care about" but I understand that a whiney gets parched and I 100% genuinely endorse the bad sociology

― in a soylent whey (wins), Monday, 22 May 2017 18:53 (five months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

literally just shat an "oh is sportsball on??" tweet onto the rug and mewled up at us expecting a treat

I finally watched Stranger Things. It was cute!