Tesla Motors

Will they thrive or sink in the next decade?

http://jalopnik.com/aaa-raises-insurance-rates-on-tesla-vehicles-1795814904

https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/iyRMgx7LNWNY/v1/-1x-1.png

Comes down to how long investors are willing to put up with the cash burn.

I think they are gonig to short circuit and everyone will be driving a chevy volt instead.

UNLESS they can be the APPLE of cars and people will pay a premium just to have the cool tech?

Buying a house, will need a new roof in a year or two. Should I fuck with this Tesla Solar Roof thingy?

main reasons to do so would be to potentially save money compared to a traditional roof+solar install or if you don't like the look of a trad setup. I'd be wary of buying any tesla product. Also wonder if you can't get a deal on trad solar by negotiating roof and solar through a single place. So I guess fuck with it only if you refuse to fuck with anything else?

Hmm. Tesla car owners I know (more recent models) seem pretty happy? But there is that whole Elon Musk chimeric buffoon factor that gives me pause about an early model of anything they make.

"I'd be wary of buying any tesla product" because of Musk or because of the erratic state of the company? despite their sometimes weird stock performance I kind of doubt they are ever going out of business. but what do I know.

speaking as someone who worked in residential solar for 8 years, afaict those shingles are essentially vaporware. go with real solar panels and a Solar Edge inverter, the tax break expires in 2022 I believe.

what's an inverter do?

the Tesla battery does exist, even if the roofing stuff doesn't; I think other people make those batteries too. i'm likely to get solar on my house in the next year or so and will probably try to add one of those in, which would enable my house to have power even in a blackout, which would be helpful, I guess.

Vaporware is an odd claim to make about a product that has already been on the market over a year.

Why would you want to give Elon Musk a dime unless it had cyanide all over it and you placed it in his mouth like a communion wafer?

Not sure why it’s any worse than giving virtually any other large corporation money tbh other than his terrible personality.

xxp

https://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/5-reasons-to-not-get-too-excited-about-teslas-new-solar-roof

inverters are the part of your solar that converts the DC from the panels into AC fed back to the grid. Solar Edge inverters allow for future expansion and can accommodate LG Chem lithium batteries that are a way better bet then the Teslas.

The company is a fraud and a scam in nearly every regard, as someone who works in an adjacent industry I cannot overstate my disdain.

For further details see the Elon Musk thread, he should be {redacted by poster}

speaking as someone who worked in residential solar for 8 years, afaict those shingles are essentially vaporware. go with real solar panels and a Solar Edge inverter, the tax break expires in 2022 I believe.

― sleeve, Monday, 17 August 2020 7:26 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Would agree 100% with this. All solar roofs like the Tesla one end up being crap roofs and crap solar panels.

SolarEdge is very good to their tech is only really necessary if your roof gets shading. Not shading get something reliable, cheap and Chinese for you inverter, Sungrow would be a good pick imo.

Tesla powereall battery is pretty good all around. However the economics of batteries aren’t great, do it for maximum self sufficiency rather than because it will pay back in any reasonable fashion.

A much better battery, however, for solar is a car. Not sure what the economics would be in your locale, the best you can do with a kWh is the delta between the feed in tariff a utility will give you and the peak cost of buying It back from them. This dropped to around 12c in Melbourne pre pandemic and the pre pandemic value of a kWh in petrol terms was 50-60c.

Actually, one great argument for a solaredge inverter is they make one with an integrated car charger that will put all your excess solar in the car.

Of course the car thing only works if your car is at home when the sun shines.

Ed otm, yeah that direct DC car charging from the inverter is an excellent add-on feature to Solar Edge

if you have no shade, SMA offers these cool inverters with a daytime AC bypass so you have limited (15 amp) power during the day if there is an outage. my parents are very happy with theirs.

NB, SolarEdge is what I have specced for my roof, but I have a lot of challenging shading and have to do an east west split so it seemed like the best option.

Nice bit of research from UniSA on why an east west split might be better from a self consumption point of view, swap south for north depending on your hemisphere.

https://www.unisa.edu.au/Media-Centre/Releases/2020/maximising-solar-self-consumption-by-rethinking-pv-panel-orientation/?utm_source=miragenews&utm_medium=miragenews&utm_campaign=news

helpful, thx.

I do have to replace the roof on the new house within a year or two, which is why the idea of the solar roof appealed to me.

I more want a battery as an alternative to one of those awful gas-powered generators -- they seem like they are becoming a necessity in the area as multi-day power outages are common in major storms or snowstorms.

you can actually roll part of the re-roofing cost into the tax credit, iirc it is literally whatever % of the roof is covered with solar and u get 22% that cost back:

https://programs.dsireusa.org/system/program/detail/1235

you can actually roll part of the re-roofing cost into the tax credit, iirc it is literally whatever % of the roof is covered with solar and u get 22% that cost back:

https://programs.dsireusa.org/system/program/detail/1235

damn Zing, sorry

Challenge with major storms or snowstorms is they may either wreck your roof (less likely), cover your panels in snow or it could be cloudy, with short days In winter which will reduce your output. Which means there will be less charge in the battery to run on and less opportunity to recharge.

Depends where you are and you can always emergency charge the battery and stop it from discharging if a storm is forecast.

One of the selling points if electric cars in japan is most of them come with a standard AC outlet. This is marketed as a disaster preparedness function. Last year when I was in japan during typhoon season all of the disaster preparation TV shows (and there are a lot) were spruiking this as a reason to buy an electric car. Just run a cable back into the house and plug in the fridge and rice cooker and your set for a couple of days. Only a couple of kW but it keeps things going.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/10/elon-musk-tells-twitter-staff-he-sold-tesla-stock-to-save-twitter.html

https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-recalls-defects/tesla-model-s-model-x-recall-power-steering-problem-a4893117329/


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— David Moss (@RedEviction) November 28, 2022

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBBtt72aJLA

Tesla self-driving vs everyday roads in New Jersey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nF0K2nJ7N8

I've watched about three minutes so far, and it's so stressful.

It's like every 30 seconds or so it either does or threatens to do something unsafe, or does something unexpected, like put on the brakes or signal, "for some reason."

yeah that was my main takeaway - so much more stressful than just driving the car yourself

It's like driving with a 15-year old behind the wheel.

Saw my first broken-down Tesla on the side of the road yesterday. Not that I haven't seen tons of other vehicles on the roadside (and even been one earlier this month in my 2007 Ford R.I.P.). But it just felt like a sign of the times.

Tesla mobile Supercharger with Megapack caught on fire

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A Tesla Megapack used on a mobile Supercharger caught on fire and completely burned down in Baker, California.

We previously reported on this contraption that Tesla sometimes brings to busy Supercharger stations.

It’s a trailer fitted with a Megapack, Tesla’s biggest stationary energy storage system, and a bunch of Superchargers.

The result is a mobile Supercharger station that Tesla can bring to Supercharger stations when more capacity is needed – especially during holidays.

That’s exactly what Tesla did at its Baker, California, Supercharger station for people traveling for the New Year, but the mobile Supercharger caught on fire on January first, according to Tesla drivers stopping by the station.

...

This is the second known Tesla Megapack to have caught on fire. In September 2022, we reported on a Megapack catching on fire at a giant energy storage project in Monterrey, California.

To the surprise of no-one: "Tesla staged 2016 self-driving demo, says senior Autopilot engineer"

Another "Tesla driver killed after plowing into firetruck on freeway" but what stood out was this stat:

At least 14 Teslas have crashed into emergency vehicles while using the system.

Tesla driver dies in fatal shooting at Supercharger station after ‘argument over charger’

Tesla, problems at the pump, guns ... it's the singularity.

I asked a good friend of mine for an update on his Tesla, and he gave me the rare unvarnished opinion. He said he loves it, especially the fact that he has not been to a gas station since 2018, and because he has not gotten into an accident or anything he hasn't had to deal with repairs or parts shortages or anything. On the other hand, he said he could not recommend it as your primary or only car, since the range isn't good enough to make longer tricks practical (he likes the way it leads you to charging stations as needed, but doesn't like how they're often out of the way when you're on the road), and he said in the winter/cold the mileage gets cut so much you'd be fucked.

While I'm not a professional auto interior designer, I feel like I've driven a sufficient variety of cars and trucks over the past four decades to have a measured opinion about the Cybertruck interior. To be brief: Are you fucking kidding me?

Legit lols at anyone defending this p.o.s. I'm on board with the conspiracy theory that the Cybertruck is some sort of long-game joke that Musk is playing out to make fun of any cult member duped enough to buy one.

I've said it before, the interiors of Teslas are terrible, its like made out of the same stuff they use to make the fake living room sets in furniture stores

I'm still a little skeptical that the Cybertruck will actually go into mass production, everything i've heard from car guys is that you can't just make a car out of one piece of molded steel like that, if you do many of them will slowly come apart and become undriveable within a few years. but hey I'm not Mr. Car Genius

That deep dash looks pretty dangerous, like “can’t see kids in front of the car” dangerous

the people 40 feet away still have their feet hidden by the hood lol

This joker is going to end up limiting production to just one truck, and then he's going to sell it for 44 billion, probably to some Saudi prince.

i see the speedometer has been removed to make more room for the deep dash

You could fit 10 deep dish pizzas on that deep dash

Why do Teslas never have front license plates even in states that require them? Did they not design for that?

There are continual arguments in every EV owners forum as to how much front license plates disrupt aero efficiency with little in the way of convincing results one way or the other. The dealer for my Mach-E asked me if I even wanted the front plate bracket installed. I chose to leave it off - I'd like to believe that the extra 0.01 in aero (or whatever it is) does matter.

"Stick around TeslaBros, we'll show you how to make deep-dish pizzas on the dash of a Cybertruck using only the power of a burning sun in a climate gone mad - but first, we have to have a serious talk about pedestrian deaths. You're not killing enough hahaha!"

deathrace2000.jpg

Beyond Thunderdome / Tron auxiliary vehicle

Honestly thought the revive was about this

https://jalopnik.com/whistleblower-drops-100-gigabytes-of-tesla-secrets-to-g-1850476542

well that's fabulous news

phantom braking it just happens nbd

It's just their way of making sure you're awake. Better pay for that blue check before your car goes HAL 9000 on you.

Better than Audi's "uncontrolled acceleration!"

There are continual arguments in every EV owners forum as to how much front license plates disrupt aero efficiency with little in the way of convincing results one way or the other. The dealer for my Mach-E asked me if I even wanted the front plate bracket installed. I chose to leave it off - I'd like to believe that the extra 0.01 in aero (or whatever it is) does matter.

Are front plates optional for everyone?

I live in Maryland, where front plates are required, and saw two Teslas with front plates this morning. I think you just have to have the holes drilled. I had never heard the aerodynamics argument previously - only "it makes my car look bad!"

Front plates are required here, don't know if you'll be pulled over but you may be ticketed when parked. (Often - always? - the same thing for backing into parking spots.)

There are plenty of gasoline-powered cars which have aerodynamic fronts.

I live in Arkansas, a one-plate state. When I moved to Minnesota, a two-plate state, I had to get a bracket installed on the front. And when I moved back to the one-plate state, I kept the license plate on the front as a souvenir, at least until the state trooper stopped me and said I couldn't have two different state license plates on my car.

(Which makes sense, I guess.)

When I lived in North Carolina, there was a cart in the mall where you could buy novelty plates to put in your front plate holder.

We've got an airbrushed pegasus on ours, bought as a joke 15 years ago, but now, I wouldn't be able to find the car without it.

_There are continual arguments in every EV owners forum as to how much front license plates disrupt aero efficiency with little in the way of convincing results one way or the other. The dealer for my Mach-E asked me if I even wanted the front plate bracket installed. I chose to leave it off - I'd like to believe that the extra 0.01 in aero (or whatever it is) does matter._


Yeah but I’m pretty sure states that have two license plates require that both be displayed, front and back. I see this phenomenon on other luxury vehicles too, Teslas just seem to be the worst offender. Not sure how these guys aren’t being stopped by cops.

plus they may be cops

No one may ever get the chance to make pizza on that stupid dashboard, because it's barely a car or truck: "Leaked Tesla report shows Cybertruck had basic design flaws.

time to load my tree into my new vehicle and carry it triumphantly home through the snow

Cybertruck struggles to get up a small, slippery hill while carrying a Christmas tree. pic.twitter.com/H13KMzA59W

— 🎄 Blue Tesla 🎄 (@BlueTeslaEV) December 12, 2023

Canyonero!

I'm sure this has been mentioned somewhere before, but I just realized that the Cybertruck reminds me of Danger Mouse's car, the Mach III

https://occ-0-2794-2219.1.nflxso.net/dnm/api/v6/9pS1daC2n6UGc3dUogvWIPMR_OU/AAAABb_28aFggX22mGKbCVkJv8XTbadAvyhGJ-a8NPPEcp_Y-TFqt5K1ajqXOkmV9rkX_ewN89kUx5wyxfcJgOVnVtxLLFVUNHjl-nL9yHKSw5SBRscBU2s8j7Rq.jpg?r=dee

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/r8iGirYfejw/hqdefault.jpg

Not only is that Tesla Truck struggling, it appears to be struggling even while being winched. Which is to say, rescued.

I hate to give them any credit, but off-road wheels aren't the same as hauling junk on roadways wheels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQx3_aCWQsU

Oof:

Shares in Tesla plunged as much as 11% after the market opened Thursday, wiping $73 billion off the company’s market value hours after it warned of slowing growth in electric car sales and an existential threat from Chinese rivals.

lol none of that is news, what is up with investors

I don't follow this stuff that closely, outside of passive schadenfreude, but I guess there was just an earnings presentation with bad news. Bad news always hits worse when it's coming from the actual company.

https://wapo.st/3UD1Iu2

ya so i ride my road bike on this relatively short, narrow, very winding, very very rich road probably 2 maybe 4 times a year in summer. i use a road, witter, that turns off this road about half a mile before the crash location. it's a lovely spot and nowhere to drunk drive or autopilot. because you know what? you belong in jail.

Current WaPo headline:

A Tesla employee often used Full Self-Driving. He died in a fiery crash.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/

(Spoiler alert: he was also drunk, which probably didn't help things.)

but i…

Unsurprisingly, the head of HR is gone
https://www.carscoops.com/2024/05/tesla-exodus-continues-as-top-hr-exec-leaves-after-brutal-job-cuts/

our upstairs renter used to be there, I am so glad he escaped

https://www.reddit.com/r/CyberStuck/

Your non-stop shop for cybertruck fail stories!

So a neighbor who cannot afford a garage can apparently afford one of these pieces of shit which he parks on the street.

On closer inspection, his 3 month old car not only looks like tin, but this "after market mod" looks a little... concerning.

https://i.imgur.com/pEYemgf.jpeg
https://i.imgur.com/WVnmqos.jpeg

https://futurism.com/the-byte/four-die-trapped-burning-tesla

Cybercrap

whoa

https://bsky.app/profile/chinajoeflynn.bsky.social/post/3lb6exjdqj22m

I'm starting to see one of those dumbass trucks a day. I can't believe anyone drives them, or that anyone over the age of 13 likes them. (Or that anyone has that much money to buy one, but that is a different conversation.) I see the design and just think it's like someone driving a movie prop. But then again, I'm not impressed by fancy sports cars, either, so maybe it's just me and I'm missing something, and in the future everyone will be driving dumbass cars. Just like in the movies.

Speaking of which, was it on ILX or somewhere else that I first learned about a hilarious homemade Tesla truck that someone has been driving around South Lansing, Michigan?
https://preview.redd.it/south-lansing-cybertruck-v0-y2y12gxnpg1d1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=801a5bd64da62bf746a6b922848e75f0b1ab4a3a

https://actionnetwork.org/event_campaigns/teslatakedown

https://www.theverge.com/tesla/618572/tesla-takedown-wants-to-hit-elon-musk-where-it-hurts

https://www.tiktok.com/@cybertruck_hunters

I see the design and just think it's like someone driving a movie prop.

I don't get the aesthetic argument, to be honest. The vast majority of modern cars look like shit. My car sure looks like shit. This one just looks unconventionally like shit. I'd rather look at a Cybertruck than a Ram or whatever. There are plenty of other things that it deserves criticism for (driveability, durability, utility, fascism).

Tesla's stock price is already 98% divorced from its car business, not sure that taking Tesla sales to zero would actually matter.

Too big to fail vs. too many le epic meme sir to the moon sir bootlickers to fail

I'd rather look at a Cybertruck than a Ram or whatever.

They are both aggressively ugly, but the ugliness of the Cybertruck reaches levels of bad visual design never before seen. If its design were that ugly mainly because its designers were constrained by functional necessities, it would be forgivable, but the constraints that drove the design of the Cybertruck were all grounded in Musk's stupidity and invincible ignorance rather than any functional requirements based on the tasks it would perform. It is a comprehensive aesthetic disaster.

the Cybertruck looks kinda cool at one angle but when you see one in public they are disturbingly ugly, in part because they get dirty so easily and resemble dumpsters, they're not even really symmetrical

tbh I'd find the things amusing if not for Elon and the assholes who actually buy these things, I mean the fact that someone would actually want to bring such a tremendously shit design to market is kind of impressive in its own right

(points, laughs)

https://mexicodailypost.com/2025/02/24/carlos-slim-orders-to-cancel-his-collaboration-with-elon-musks-starlink/

prob not the exact right thread but whatever

i know that a line going down can also go up but the price right now is slightly below its highest surge pre-election: meaning that the entire post-election bump is (right now) wiped

morgan-stanley's analysts yesterday made tesla a market pick -- because of !!AI!! and !!robotics!! -- and there's been a bunch of money being pumped in to ensure the pick proves to be visionary wisdom, and not whatever the other one is

Tesla's stock price is based 98% on smoke and mirrors, if there's a real market crash I think Tesla is gonna be one of the first stocks to really take a dump

don't worry, the brave leader of tesla is busy selling services from his multiple private companies as a preferred contractor to the governments of the world and won't need tesla stock anymore

yes i have no idea if it's a canary in the market mines or like a vital jenga brick deep in the whole tottering edifice

or a secret third thing i guess

Well now he’s got the keys to Fort Knox he doesn’t need stonks anymore.

"We are like Gulliver lying stranded on the Lilliputian shore with every part of his body tied down; determined to free himself, he looks keenly around him: the smallest detail of the landscape, the smallest contour of the ground, the slightest movement, everything becomes a sign on which his escape may depend."

Saw something online alleging some people are trying to disguise their Teslas:
https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:4leixzqzdmea4ftyrk6n3hty/bafkreif63beod2apbskp62qrefebhqhxoyfm5vndpzw3blhk2suomeubw4@jpeg
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https://bsky.app/profile/parismarx.com/post/3ljlanyv73k2g

A few more here

bahahahaha

you can run but u can't hide, traitors

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/5/5e/Snrub.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140416021517

I have a friend who bought a Tesla a few years ago, still likes the car, but is utterly embarrassed by Musk and everything he does....so he took off all the badging and made it look like a Honda Civic. i guess that's one ethical way to own a Tesla.

nah sorry, it's still recording everything inside and around it and sending the data directly to Musk, just sell it and get an Ioniq lol

A colleague who owns one and "can't afford" to sell it made "Fuck Elon" bumper stickers in the style of the "Coexist" religious design and is allegedly going to be selling them on an Etsy store.

lol

I submit to yr friend that the price is only going down, sell now

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunk_cost

We were at a dealer last year where someone had just tried to trade one in but was so underwater even the sales guys felt sorry for them.

it’s hard for me to imagine the stock tanking too much because everybody knows Daddy Trump will let Elon do whatever he wants, a license no other car maker has (i think this is the not so secret third thing)

"not letting the stock tank" in this sense meaning a fort-knox-to-dow-jones pipeline to pump prices insanely up even as the value fully collapses in the eyes of the world's markets?

of course this is entirely possible (elon is an idiot, another not-so-secret thing)

is it a foolproof plan? my feeling is that it is not a foolproof plan

idk stuff like writing appropriations bills so that only Teslas fit the criteria who knows i fully admit i am kind of doomposting at this point

https://i.imgur.com/rbQ69GE.png

DOGE can confuse million and billion, include projects from 2005, count the same bills three or four times. I don't think it works so well on the Nasdaq.

markets can of course delude themselves, sometimes for quite a time

but they do also reset

meanwhile nothing is entirely new:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GlOwS8dW8AA2GcQ?format=png&name=large

Too small, didn't read.

disheartening

Tesla’s UK sales rise despite threat of backlash over Musk’s political role

Sales of battery-powered cars jumped in February, with Model 3 and Model Y most popular after Mini Cooper

Sales of Teslas in the UK rose by more than a fifth last month as demand for battery-powered cars increased, despite the prospect of a buyer backlash over Elon Musk’s controversial and divisive behaviour since becoming a key figure in Donald Trump’s administration.

UK letting the side down once again

Not since the heyday of "Y'all Qaeda" have I heard so many great nicknames for Tesla and its products/owner. Swasticar, Cyberstuck, Wankpanzer, Enron Musk, Deplorean ...

"don't be carplicit" lol

I have a work buddy who is totally underwater on his Tesla and got yelled at in a parking lot last week (“Sell the Swasticar! Sell the Swasticar!”). He really wishes he could get a Rivian.

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:cfy5rgqvohpdqxgu2geb5u2b/bafkreihbn4ycowmbxgxhxeyqbtl7uarqotq7mg53ue4b2kcptat3tlfptu@jpeg

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/10/tesla-shares-plunge-14percent-head-for-worst-day-in-five-years.html

Tesla stock has lost more than half of its value since mid-December

Amazed at how many news outlets think this is because of Chinese competition, recession fears, or customers waiting for the soon-to-be-revised Model Y

think are told

FTYF

clearly Elon has a lot to do with it but its definitely true that Tesla as a brand has lost a lot of its luster, they haven't really done anything new in 5 years (outside of the Cybertruck), nobody points at them on the street anymore, they don't feel like the car of the future like they used to

Xiaomi is pretty much the car maker of the future rn

Isn't that one of Elon's children?

Xiaomi is clearly a hyperpop Judds tribute band.

you guys doing a bit about a company from another country having a funny name is some entertaining grandpa shit. “sony? what’s that?”

fwiw xiaomi is known as the apple of china, they’ve sold a few things here and there. they’ve probably got about 20% of the european smartphone market by now

they have some pretty sleek retail stores. my coworker’s cousin in India was working for them several years ago and he was prodding her about how the stores were very apple-esque

mh otm

Apple is also a funny name

Is that one of Gwyneth’s children?

downfall of the garden of eden iirc

https://www.ft.com/content/605295c5-dc8f-4247-ba35-8036b5058915

Elon Musk’s electric-car maker Tesla has warned that President Donald Trump’s trade war could make it a target for retaliatory tariffs against the US and increase the cost of making vehicles in America.

In an unsigned letter addressed to US trade representative Jamieson Greer, Tesla said that it “supports” fair trade but warned that US exporters were “exposed to disproportionate impacts when other countries respond to US trade actions”.

What a bunch of ding dongs.

Chutzpah

me reaping; wtf

Over 1500 in Tucson today. More support from passing cars than two weeks ago. Broader age range of folks attending. Kids with parents in cars driving by and waving. All that while it was unseasonably cold, cloudy, and windy. We are in this together.

too many demonstrations to count today, all over the country

https://i.imgur.com/2qA2xRr.jpeg

Is he waiting for someone to come and pry his friend out of the driver's seat?

(before the thing bursts into flames)

Is that real?

as far as I know, yes, ymmv - just seen on bsky which is chock full of #teslatakedown news

I mean, this one is real afaict

https://www.financialexpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/02/cybertruck-crash.jpg

it looks like it is in the middle of transforming back into robot form.

lol

Post from a person I'm acquainted with on FB who owns a car dealership:

Just appraised my first Tesla in awhile.
25k for a 2023 Model Y Long Range Dual AWD with 20k miles.
And I’m not sure I went low enough.

He goes on in a followup to say that this one lost 50% of its value in 18 months, and he doesn't think it's hit the bottom yet. He predicts prices will be significantly lower in 30 days (though they're not sure how much of the drop has to do with the boycott).

Actually, he just credited the boycott.

Cars? The objects that famously lose 50% of their value as soon as they drive off the lot?

Aiui, we're talking used cars, which have already been devalued by dint of being used but are continuing to quickly lose value.

Tesla’s top crash safety architect quits
https://electrek.co/2025/03/15/tesla-top-crash-safety-architect-quits/
(presumably he didn't work on the Cyberstuck?)

also

Tesla Model S Plaid gets smoked in drag race by Xiaomi’s cheaper SU7 Ultra
https://electrek.co/2025/03/15/tesla-model-s-plaid-smoked-drag-race-xiaomis-su7-ultra/

that crash safety article suggests the lack of a traditional engine in the front allows for a big crumple zone, which those pictures look like. not sure whether that applies to the trucks though.

The SU7 Ultra

has a powertrain packing up 1,526 horsepower. That’s absolutely insane. Xiaomi quotes a 0 to 100 km/h (0 to 62 mph) acceleration in just 1.98 seconds.

Yes, insane. Also needless and predictably dangerous for use by the general public. The people who'd be attracted by those specs will mostly have driving skills are mediocre at best, but they'll be deluded enough to think they can handle it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubUXNSWGth0

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:pgppxekvpklq6smlilrxg7ke/bafkreihx4lkb4kxvtzjvxpcqqkek736u4mzy52sbzvtqcn4bsg42htez4a@jpeg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI0AMBlStYQ

Can’t light it on fire if it’s waterlogged *taps forehead*

The Mark Rober youtube video on Tesla's inept camera system is worth skipping around through. I'm not a fan of the channel so I'm not giving a link.

ha I was wondering about that guy, all I heard on bsky was "popular with millions of kids"

mainly he's associated with the mrbeast crowd and does "pool full of candy" style stunts for babies

https://electrek.co/2025/03/19/tesla-tsla-accounting-raises-red-flags-as-report-shows-1-4-billion-missing/

IMAGINE THAT

many more recalls in our future, stick around for this wild ride

Elon Musk attempted to reassure Tesla employees of the automaker’s “bright and exciting” future at a company all-hands meeting on Thursday, urging them not to sell their stock even as the company’s valuation slides precipitously downward.

“There are times when there are rocky moments,” the billionaire CEO told his employees. “But what I’m here to tell you is that the future is incredibly bright and exciting, and we’re going to do things that no one has even dreamed of.”

cue Timbuk 3 song

I mean, Henry Ford was a racist asshole and people still buy Fords, right?

Yeah, but he's been dead for 80 years.

I'll buy a Tesla in 2105, god willing

every TSLA is a surveillance device

https://i.imgur.com/na8Q6AO.jpeg

https://californer.com/dca/stealmyteslacom-discreet-tesla-acquisition-for-reluctant-owners-californer-10307617

(register your Tesla to be stolen)

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIAYj5UvrFs

what's the margin call # again? 215?

https://i.imgur.com/h4Gaz90.jpeg

ive heard 200 is the magic number

According to certain reports, Tesla's stock would have to decline to $114 for Musk to face margin calls on these loans, equating to a 50 percent drop from its current price and below the minimum price targets currently set by analysts.

-walter bloomberg

Wasn't selling Twitter to Grok a ploy to avoid any margin calls?

Looks like his own brother was part of the sell-off lol

Last month, Kimbal Musk sold $27 million worth of Tesla stock, Newsweek reported, though he still owns a substantial amount of stock in the company.

this is incredibly shady and almost certainly illegal

https://bsky.app/profile/dfeldman.org/post/3lmvrlvkexs2g

Isn't it ... 100% illegal? In every state?

"sign in required"

here

https://i.postimg.cc/J4pfM1f2/Screenshot-2025-04-17-at-9-35-19-AM.png

hopefully they did something to get recorded proof or have someone from Tesla whistleblowing, because true or not, that is something that could be laughed out of court

"I know I didn't drive that much!" is a kind of funny subjective claim

thx.

used to be people would wind clocks back...

Weird shit in after hours trading

https://scontent-lga3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/492069700_10171172677275304_5347971331249143615_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=127cfc&_nc_ohc=CJYpvHGPpksQ7kNvwG6X0xQ&_nc_oc=AdlkK1hOhuchvpLgFPGtDH904uLJ3BC6iR5yUAV94VN91o2dT-dUoLqr7WFNtTbc7N0wUiC1etytdKF3BL-LSD3E&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-2.xx&_nc_gid=mJINWcrWWk-dpwjpGpURSA&oh=00_AfHS0ww1H87ceukaWjQzFZjK_d2lpNtfTT0uj_Irg7acYw&oe=680C7C31

Be cool, just a little insider trading.

USPS & Dept of Defense will be purchasing a massive fleet of Cybertrucks in May, I'm guessing

The DeJoy electric postal van might be the only vehicle uglier than a Cybertruck.

Is he still in there? I assumed they've decided to sell the post office to DHL or something

I'm alright with the new postal vans (not all of which are electric incidentally) being ugly, because its appearance was dictated by function, like panoramic outward visibility for a vehicle that stops at almost every house. The Cybertruck is ugly for ugly's sake and yet for that appearance sacrifices aerodynamics, pedestrian safety, ingress/egress, etc.

I don't get though why the USPS can't just use off-the-shelf vans; my mail is delivered via Ram Promaster without any major downsides. (Some local USPS mail trucks are Mercedes-Benz Metris vans with the Mercedes logos replaced by USPS eagles because clueless people complained about the post office buying foreign-built luxury vehicles)

The big difference is in cargo area height, I assume? The new postal van looks like a person over 6' could stand inside, those new generation car-based vans are roomy but it's still maybe 5' in the back.

the new oshkosh postal vans are delightful, have AC, look like they're in a ren and stimpy cartoon and everybody likes them idk what you guys are on about

https://oshkoshdefense.com/vehicles/delivery-vehicles/

I don't get though why the USPS can't just use off-the-shelf vans

postal vans/trucks should be right hand drive for maximum convenience in stuffing mailboxes

not uncommon to see imported ex-japan or europe right hand drive vehicles in rural towns that were imported solely because they're rhd

as evidenced here

https://oshkoshdefense.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/NGDV.jpg

the old postal trucks, which have outlived a generation of postal workers at this point, are really some solid engineering when it comes to internal combustion vehicles. really big mileage numbers for the ones in service, but miles per year is relatively low, and engine runtime is insanely high. completely different usage pattern than most vehicles are designed for

The new ones having AC is a massive step up over the LLVs but I do wonder how that windshield will work for carriers in Phoenix/Dallas/Miami. Big ol' greenhouse.

acceleration from 0 is pretty much the worst way you can stress an engine, and postal vans have to do that hundreds of times a day - off the shelf vehicles aren't designed for that kind of stress. i actually don't know if the northrop grumman vans were designed for that either. northrop grumman isn't exactly known for their automotive division...

(otoh running at a constant speed like 65 mph on a highway otoh is the least amount of stress you can put on an engine outside of idling)

I went down a rabbit hole reading about the northrop grumman postal trucks last year. The engine used is pretty much a low-performance high-durability thing that's hard to kill. I occasionally look at some mechanic subreddits for entertainment and occasionally someone's working on one of those trucks and all the commenters are really enthusiastic.

oh it's the iron duke? should be good to go (just ignore the reports of postal vans catching fire on their mail routes)

can someone good at money explain to me why the stock is up 10% despite their most abysmal sales report yet? the brand is absolute poison, they haven't done anything new in years besides the Cybertruck, their vehicles keep exploding and falling apart, their CEO is a Nazi, their sales are in the gutter worldwide, and yet somehow this is the most 'valuable' car company on the planet by a wide margin? maybe it's just wishful thinking but does it seem to anyone else that we're heading for an Enron type situation where everything collapses overnight?

because the head guy is supposedly leaving government work and going back to concentrate on whatever the hell he does bumbling around Tesla

It's this assumption that him 'going back' to Tesla will fix things. I doubt the veracity of this claim.

Doubling down on promises of robotaxis and cheap EVs gives investors room to keep flogging instead of bailing.

The company-wide meeting for Tesla employees was called by Musk only a few days earlier and the room is buzzing with anticipation to find out what surprises the Big Fella will announce now that he's come back from fixing the government in order to focus on Tesla, Inc. The soft music changes to become louder and more dynamic, the lights dim slightly, and Musk steps out onto the stage, wearing a headset mic, while the music fades and a discrete spotlight picks him up.

He faces the massed employees and speaks,"work faster, you fuckers!"

he’s going to go debug some code

He's going to go pick some bugs out from under his skin

$TSLA has always been a memestock, the price has been manipulated for years.

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there has never been a better time to join the "Hit the Guardrail at 80 mph and flip your Tesla on Purpose" movement

https://i.imgur.com/4xWiYTt.jpeg

idk what's wilder about this the fact that this apparently wasn't tested or the fact that it exists at all

www.cybertruckownersclub.com/forum/

I’ve noticed my CT screen is unusually hot towards the bottom center at all times. Even when it’s not super hot and sunny outside in the mornings (Houston, TX).

I finally was able to test it out with a laser thermometer. 90% of the screen reads around 95-98 degrees. The bottom and especially the center will read almost 120 degrees! It’s uncomfortable to put my finger there for a long period.

I have my first service appointment tomorrow so I hope they figure something out. I was just wondering if anyone else has noticed?

So Tesla service checked and said it’s normal as the processor is behind that area or something so I let it go 🤷‍♂️

it's ok. he musta doged the nhtsa i'd think?

(nb, not celcius)

https://bsky.app/profile/madradhu.garbage.computer/post/3lnm6g5fkts2x

Gilbert Arenas’s son is in an induced coma after crashing a Cybertruck into a fire hydrant

https://bsky.app/profile/ledbydonkeys.org/post/3loltwljm2k2t

TANK vs TESLA

"We've crushed fascism before and we'll crush it again"

- ⁠WW2 veteran Ken, 98, in the tank

yesssss

saw that earlier <3

" ... and his money comes from Tesla cars"

Actually, most of that money wasn't from selling Tesla cars but rather from selling zero emission vehicle regulatory credits to other automakers, and over $11 billion from state and federal governments. Lately some money has also come in by coaxing foreign governments by dangling preferential treatment from Trump tariffs if they sign off on a Starlink contract or approval.

Impressive for landing the "FASCISM" vanity plate.

love that video

Tesla market share in US drops to lowest since 2017 as competition heats up

Tesla, which once held more than 80% of the U.S. EV market, accounted for 38% of the total EV sales in the United States in August, the first time it has fallen below the 40% mark since October 2017