Quentin Tarantino's Manson murders movie

Well, here we go.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/quentin-tarantino-prepping-new-movie-tackling-manson-murders-1020165

Barely any details there except that it's coming together.

huh

does not really sound like a good idea tbh

sounds like it *could* be a good idea, you read so much about the aura around L.A. during this period and the spookiness of these murders (and other crimes of the era) and the whole sinister vibe surrounding so much of celebrity culture (and the spookiness of the hills, which was so heavy it even permeated the L.A. parts of "Mad Men" even without anything being explicitly mentioned.) but it would take another director who's capable of pulling that off.

otoh another opportunity for Tarantino to liberally use the n-word

Have to say that Karina Longworth's deep dive into it all was the first time I ever really paid attention to the full sweep of the story. Scroll to the bottom for the first one, work your way along -- very illuminating. (And honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Tarantino heard this and that's what gave him a new spark to pursue this, etc.)

http://www.youmustrememberthispodcast.com/episodes/?category=CharlesManson%27sHollywood

I liked the Aquarius series on NBC (w/David Duchovny), which covered that scene and LA in general, but it looks like it's been cancelled.

I seem to recall Tarantino talking about the Manson murders in a TV interview years ago. Considering his love of that era of films and stuff, I'm sure Helter Skelter the book and movie was something he probably read and saw as a kid.

How has QT avoided Charlie up until now? They were made to mate and produce offspring.

There's an image.

I couldn't find it online, but I swear that thing with Tarantino and Manson coming up might have been on an old episode of Politically Incorrect. It was some type of panel show where Manson came up as a topic.

Why the hell not? At least it isn't set pre-1965.

(Rob Zombie and Bret Easton Ellis were supposed to develop a mini-series in this vein years ago; I'd love for them to be involved somehow, and won't hold my breath for that.)

Ha, was about to come here and say this could go very bad and end up some Rob Zombie parade of grotesqueries.

yeah, the fact that he'll be working around an actual event kind of throws me, and might impact the *enjoyment* of the film. Does black humor work better when it's not colored by real events? Might be better if he used a veiled, fictional version of the event as a keystone around which to explore other shit

He could cast Sam Jackson as Manson.

(x)xpost

That's what I'm afraid of. I'm also wary in that I probably just really don't want to see a movie on this subject.

Don't trust an Elvis guy to make a Beatles movie.

I'm just glad he's not at Reservoir Dogs sequel time yet

time for the victims' families to take 'preemptive' action

Reservoir Doges

what if this is the event that sets off a Polanski/Tarantino feud

xp why did you make me google it

http://i.imgur.com/Impkc8r.png

lol

QT: No, it's gonna be great - you think Tim bled from his stomach in Dogs? Ha! This time –

DANIELA: Quentin...

QT: No, hold on. BLOOD EVERYWHERE! Total 70s drive-in. And even if Harvey said he can get me a couple of White Album songs –

DANIELA: Quentin...

QT: Wait! So like instead of all that Helter Skelter crap, I'M GONNA USE MONKEES SONGS. Right? Get it?

DANIELA: QUENTIN.

QT: Oh, fuck. Why didn't you tell me sooner?

http://i.imgur.com/0COQZqS.jpg

QT: *Do you think he heard anything I said?*

hahahaha

RP looks like the bastard child of an elf and a hobbit there

This guy is nothing more than a culture fetishist. This is gross and I hope it bottoms out.

Does black humor work better when it's not colored by real events? Might be better if he used a veiled, fictional version of the event as a keystone around which to explore other shit

lol that's a horrible idea. who wants to see a not-Manson movie. and James Cameron should have renamed Titanic to Unsinkable Ship

pretty excited for this. it will have a killer soundtrack at the very least.

Yeah, I'm sure Cory Labianca will appreciate hearing that "killer soundtrack" while flipping through the channels in a couple years.

Quentin Tarantino, go away forever.

Guess Charlie smoking Red Apples in this world will make sense then.

http://i.imgur.com/CGjl7OB.jpg

There is a great film to be made about the Manson murders (just like there was a great film to be made about the O.J. case), but no, I doubt very much that Tarantino's the guy to make it.

I really liked the first episode of the Karina Longworth series. I don't know this story well. The film history lens she brings seems apt.

Yeah it works very well, she's great for contemporary context.

I love You Must Remember This but don't get why everyone thinks the Manson season is the best one, she does a good job but it's such an overexplored subject? But I'm also just not a true crime guy.

i can't put my finger on which movie villain or sci-fi character tarantino reminds me of here:

http://cdn4.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/scale_crop_768_433/2017/07/quentin_tarantino_-_getty_-_h_2017.jpg

Dude from Phantasm seems to be the most frequent reference.

Tarantino basically looks like the vampire version of himself from from dusk till dawn these days

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-21q65Zr2qSs/Tq7usF5wGJI/AAAAAAAACT4/5AmDwPDb1t8/s1600/From+Dusk+Till+Dawn+1+10.jpg

He reminds me of Bad Cooper tbh

Thinking David Mitchell's Evil Genius character

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/CTmLU9VOJlM/0.jpg

There's a great movie to be made about the Manson family that focuses on the psychological path of the women. Tarantino's not the guy to make it.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-KKLqK4avrRM/UQQi1YXP2tI/AAAAAAAAIJU/RGUv1uRFsRI/s1600/tumblr_mekw0vEht01qdxpbvo1_500.jpg

http://iowa.barstoolsports.com/files/2014/09/Screen-Shot-2014-09-11-at-9.50.24-AM.png

There's a great movie to be made about the Manson family that focuses on the psychological path of the women.
― полезные дурак (Sanpaku)

That'd be one way to do it. Another would be to take the approach of Jeff Guinn's excellent biography (or simply adapt Guinn's book) and meticulously place Manson and his followers in the general breakdown of the moment--this cipher who wanders into a place and a time that's a perfect storm waiting to happen. It would have to be serious, lengthy (I'll again mention the O.J. film), and completely immersed in the material, not about the filmmaker. Tarantino has (had?) strengths, but the first and third there are not among them. He'll have Susan Atkins and Leslie Van Houten debating whether Green Acres or The Beverly Hillbillies is better.

I want to believe that Tarantino was finally inspired to pull the trigger after reading Mike Love's autobiography.

I love You Must Remember This but don't get why everyone thinks the Manson season is the best one, she does a good job but it's such an overexplored subject? But I'm also just not a true crime guy.

Never made that claim myself! Pretty much all the seasons are remarkable.

There's something about a Manson movie as filtered through Dennis Wilson's increasingly-panicked accounts to an increasingly-incredulous Mike Love that I find darkly hilarious.

they should adopt from "On His Own Words":

http://images.gr-assets.com/books/1347289621l/651024.jpg

there was a really good documentary with interviews with the women and they were sitting on top of desks holding machine guns during the interview. i tried finding it but there are so many Manson movies.

Couldn't Tarantino be the subject of Charles Manson's next project instead?

— ＮＯＴ ＲＥＣＯＮＣＩＬＥＤ (@NickPinkerton) July 12, 2017

LOLLLLLLL

Or there's this, from the LAist comment section:

Cochise • 11 hours ago
Presumably Sharon Tate beats Manson's brains out with a baseball bat in the Tarantino version.

that was my first thought

Oliver Stone should have tried this in the 90s. get some of that Doors vibe in there

Excellent, a pregnant woman stabbed to death, and her blood being used to write "PIG" on the front door. Bit of Dusty Springfield over it. 👍 pic.twitter.com/caGENMlYhQ

— Limmy (@DaftLimmy) July 12, 2017

i can't believe they are going to make a movie about a murder. what a time to be alive.

I'm curious here...have you always been this blase about everything or what.

meticulously place Manson and his followers in the general breakdown of the moment--this cipher who wanders into a place and a time that's a perfect storm waiting to happen. It would have to be serious, lengthy (I'll again mention the O.J. film), and completely immersed in the material, not about the filmmaker.

I still don't know if that would add anything: what you're describing has kinda been the narrative since Didion at least, and late 60's a much more well-trodden period than OJ's 90's.

Presumably Sharon Tate beats Manson's brains out with a baseball bat in the Tarantino version.

This is almost a best case scenario for me. I'll take a cowering Manson getting his comeuppance over yet another unwitting glamourization of a shitty and not that interesting guy, which is what it'll probably turn out like.

I'm curious here...have you always been this blase about everything or what.

yes for year and people keep bringing it up like it is a new observation.

for years rather

yet another unwitting glamourization of a shitty and not that interesting guy

you know he wasn't the only person involved. he wasn't even there for the famous murders. there is a whole cult full of people and personalities.

of course don't let that stop you from judging a movie that hasn't been made yet.

Oliver Stone made a fucking 9/11 movie five years after the fact. What's the damage here? I understand people not being excited about broken record QT making this, but why the indignation over making a movie about a very famous murder that happened nearly 50 years ago?

World Trade Center and United 93 are so much more contemptible and offensive than anything QT has done.

agree xpost

I am still something of a Tarantino believer sigh - and think there is the possibility of a good film from this. I like the wayward nature of his filmography - he hasn't just ground out endless variations of Pulp Fiction, he made two period Westerns in a row etc - and this seems to me an unexpected and interesting choice. His first foray into non-fiction - it could be his Zodiac.

Martha Marcy May Marlene was the perfect pseudo-Manson movie imo. Maintained just the right tone without veering into exploitation. I guess it's pretty much a guarantee that Tarantino will maniacally whip the wheel directly towards exploitation, which is what gives me pause here (given certain details mentioned above).

v highly doubt this will be as good a Zodiac

xp

this could suck, it could be great idk his last two films don't inspire confidence though

(xposts) Ditto. Arguing how it should be made, or who should make it, that's an interesting argument. Arguing that it shouldn't be made--that no one has a right to make it because the events were too traumatic--I don't get that at all.

These murders were spectacularly exploited by the media from the first days afterward and that exploitation has never stopped. Further exploitation is simply a continuation of a well-established 50 year trend.

that's pretty much Charlie's stance, too

yeah i don't really gaf about that

xp

xp In that one regard Charlie would be correct.

I have to admit that I would be v curious to see a Dennis Wilson character in this - the Two Lane Blacktop connection might make it irresistable for QT

(xpost) Mountains of exploitation to be sure, but I wouldn't call the Jeff Guinn book exploitative (or, from whatever dim memory I have of it, Ed Sanders' book)--they were thoughtful attempts to try to extract some glimmer of understanding out of what happened, which is what I'd want from the thoughtful film that I think is there. Which is why, to me, Tarantino seems particularly ill-suited for this.

Martha Marcy May Marlene was the perfect pseudo-Manson movie imo. Maintained just the right tone without veering into exploitation.

yeah but that movie is like...so good. kind of a miracle it got made at all

I love it! Probably among my top ten of the decade.

Last year's Tower, about Charles Whitman's murders in 1966, might be instructive. The filmmaker's were clearly sensitive to making the film primarily about the victims, not Whitman. I think they leaned too far in that direction--I wanted to know more Whitman than they provided--but it was far from exploitative, and what happened there was arguably even more dumbfoundingly and terrifyingly random than with Manson.

Martha Marcy May Marlene has been on my watchlist since forever, I should really get around to that

This really has nothing to do with Tarantino, but MMMM is one of the films that these three guys sort of make together, Sean Durkin, Antonio Campos and Josh Mond, and pretty much all their films are worthwhile. Simon Killer and James White are really good as well, and heard that Christine should be good too. Worth following what they do.

tarantino might surprise me on this, i don't think he's incapable of it talent-wise. if it's going to be made, i'll withhold judgement. i suspect it'll be closer to "not good" than "great" but we'll see.

also Pinkerton's tweet is dumb.

idk I wouldn't really expect historical veracity from QT so some kind of alternative/revisionism might make sense

would lol if movie ends with a race war

Or with the Beatles recording 'Helter Skelter'.

flash forward to Yoko hunting down and murdering Mark David Chapman

Is the 1976 tv movie, Helter Skelter worth watching?

The guy who played Manson was good, that's all I remember about it.

(xposts) Ditto. Arguing how it should be made, or who should make it, that's an interesting argument. Arguing that it shouldn't be made--that no one has a right to make it because the events were too traumatic--I don't get that at all.

― clemenza, Wednesday, July 12, 2017 3:13 PM (forty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't think anyone here has made that argument. There have been some pretty good films about famous murders. In Cold Blood. Executioner's Song. There's just no evidence that Tarantino has the gravitas to treat it as anything more than an exercise in style w a "funny" wardrobe and choice tunes. Which yeah is kind of gross.

I saw Helter Skelter when it first aired (15 at the time), rewatched it a couple of years ago. I liked it better at 15, to put it charitably. Stephen Railsback does all right by Manson, but it's really a vanity project for Bugliosi, and they make things even worse with bad cover versions of the White Album.

If your argument is restricted to Tarantino, Hadrian, we're basically in agreement (although I'll still hope for the best).

Yeah would say I also don't wanna see Greg Araki do this.

Bugliosi is kind of insufferable.

Get Vincent Gallo and Lana Del Rey and have the resonances be weird.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4ifMbYfdTQ

this one is a really fascinating primary footage documentary. featuring all the original cult members and hangers on, seemingly given their chance to tell their side of the story. the girls are all sitting around with shotguns. there is another segment where they play some instrumental music for a while. this is actually the only Manson related film i've watched in its entirety.

I am just as uninterested in the details of the Manson case (and always have been) as I am in any future films by the video-store dork.

oh god, Eazy

I know, sounds terrible unless it's somehow not. Lohan too.

flash forward to Yoko hunting down and murdering Mark David Chapman

― nomar, Wednesday, July 12, 2017 3:58 PM (forty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fuck. yes.

I just watched that documentary that Adam linked to. Its pretty mindblowing. Cheers

Me too! Full version (1:21) on YouTube. So surprised never to have seen any of that footage before considering how many times this story has been repackaged on TV. And seeing Squeaky Fromme hold forth like that just a couple years out from her G. Ford attempt. This provides a vastly more comprehensive picture of how many people got caught up in the family than than anything I've read or seen before, + how pervasively violent that scene was apart from the more notorious killings.

huh link wouldn't load for me, said it had been removed

^^ I got that (removed), too

FYI Randy California estate I think the dudes who did the music for this nicked Spirit's Taurus, you shld lawyer up again

this one? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMo5jEnL5Ng&t=2s

Hrm not working here I watched via Roku

Type in "Manson Family documentary" and you'll get a longer version (1:20) of the same thing.

The longer version loads fine.

(Spirit really pick their enemies...)

flash forward to Yoko hunting down and murdering Mark David Chapman

― nomar, Wednesday, July 12, 2017 3:58 PM (forty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i am still holding out hope that this happens in real life

btw is there a consensus on the best book to read on the manson murders? i've somehow never read helter skelter -- assume that's a good place to start?

(Spirit really pick their enemies...)

yeah Bobby Beausoleil/Jimmy Page are one degree of (Kenneth Anger) separation, wiser probably to steer clear of these guys

flash forward to Yoko hunting down and murdering Mark David Chapman

― nomar, Wednesday, July 12, 2017 3:58 PM (forty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i am still holding out hope that this happens in real life

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, July 12, 2017 8:32 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

YES

Get Vincent Gallo and Lana Del Rey and have the resonances be weird.

― Eazy, Wednesday, July 12, 2017 4:23 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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J.D.: If you want just the murders, probably Helter Skelter or Ed Sanders' The Family. If you want a wider view of Manson's whole life, the book I mentioned a couple of times earlier, Jeff Guinn's Manson, is excellent. (I read Ed Sanders' Sharon Tate book last year and thought it was just okay.)

Get Vincent Gallo and Lana Del Rey and have the resonances be weird.

― Eazy, Wednesday, July 12, 2017 3:23 PM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

LDR revealed in the one interview she did for Honeymoon that she actually had been approached to play Sharon Tate in a movie, but iirc she turned it down for being too "On the nose" or something.

I get the feeling a big part of this film will swing on a debate re: the merits of Tate in Don't Make Waves vs. The Valley of The Dolls.

This is a really ill advised project and Quentin Tarantino sucks.

This guy is nothing more than a culture fetishist. This is gross and I hope it bottoms out.

― Hadrian VIII, Tuesday, July 11, 2017 10:33 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Correct

I wish he'd just do another Elmore Leonard movie :/

I think Longworth's podcast series underlined how much of an LA story the Manson Murders are: the habitual criminal with dreams of a rich easy life as a rockstar who tries to break into the music biz, ultimately rejected by the inner circle & then takes his horrific acid-fuelled revenge ... his pathetic motivations are pretty effectively buried under the flash-bang of his rhetoric & the entourage & the legitimately shocking, horrible murders

There's totally a Tarantino movie here.

or imo it could work in the way the Summer of Sam worked. It doesn't have to be ~about~ Manson directly

but i am also a qt apologist & true crime fan so obv my bias is distorting my judgement

otm

Just watched the 1:20 Manson on youtube, I had seen some of the 3-girls-with-guns footage before, but didn't know there was this much of the family in general. And damned if I'm not now watching the ABC 20/20 doc from March of this year (also 1:20). It's actually very watchable, not sensationalized as much as I feared (no John Stossel). Long segment on Sharon Tate, and some more recent interviews with some of the involved parties.

he's a culture garbageman, just a foot fetishist

taking that celebrity grade garbage to the dump where we hang out

omg wait who is going to play Sharon

surm... this could be your chance

Uma Thurman + CGI

lol <3 i can't think of anyone who could pull it off except like Amanda Seyfried

i can't put my finger on which movie villain or sci-fi character tarantino reminds me of here:

http://cdn4.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/scale_crop_768_433/2017/07/quentin_tarantino_-_getty_-_h_2017.jpg

To cross reference with the threads dominating ILM atm:

http://images.brits.co.uk/images/pc618_thumb_940_528.jpg

http://i.onionstatic.com/avclub/5383/97/16x9/960.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1303/1180460296_37d174fc7d.jpg

saw a screening of a Manson doc at New Beverly. At Q&A, Tarantino inferred he doesn't believe Manson family killed Sharon Tate

— Adam Bozarth (@adambozarth) July 12, 2017

grammarians take note

oh christ

ok so i may be walking back my enthusiasm in future updates :/

That is very ominous if true. And suddenly makes me think there'll be a spot in the film for JFK Joe Pesci.

um, wow

Michael Madsen as a corrupt LAPD cop, maybe?

Question is going to be is he doing an Inglourious Basterds-style 'and that's how Hitler died' thing or something else.

I've heard of The Second Gunman, "Raoul" in Memphis, and Capricorn One, but Manson family not responsible for Sharon Tate's death a new one.

tbh this makes it sound way more interesting to me

O_o

it was Bill

Samuel L. Jackson did it

He never questioned whether or not the members carried the crime. Here's audio. (Starts around 12:30.) https://t.co/aGjXzLGu9v

— Lindsey Romain (@lindseyromain) July 14, 2017

hmmm...

His question is if Manson conspired to murder everyone except the victims at Cielo Dr. He's wondering if, in that one case, the family members committed the murders then informed Manson after the fact.

That is the dullest interpretation of these well-worn events I can imagine.

Well, he's just asking a question of the documentary director, not offering some fully worked-out interpretation. We don't know whether that's the basis of the movie.

ok so charlie has said stuff to that effect in the past, qt may just be finding out for himself how full of it charlie is

It's a stupid question.

cool doc bro but you are craaaaazy

I liked the Aquarius series on NBC (w/David Duchovny), which covered that scene and LA in general, but it looks like it's been cancelled.

― nickn, Tuesday, July 11, 2017 5:07 PM (three days ago)

this series is pretty good. It looks like they could wrap it up in one more season ... it would be sad if it got cancelled now, they hadn't gotten to the LaBiancas yet.

At least he's not making another Western. I sort of wish he'd make a film that didn't have a period setting. When was his last one set in the present day – Death Proof, if that counts?

Ok, I started watching Aquarius after the mentions in this thread. I remember hearing about the Rob Zombie series not getting picked up over it, but never checked it out. About 4 minutes into the show, a familiar bass line appears...The White Rabbit! Before I take this any further, can I get a confirmation from anyone as to how many times exactly White Rabbit will be played over the duration of the series?

That's funny. Even as a huge Jefferson Airplane fan, I've been saying for a while that all hippie-related movies have to ditch "White Rabbit," "Purple Have," and "For What It's Worth" forever, and start using things like the Mothers' "Trouble Every Day" instead.

The Purple Haves and Have-Nots.

I love White Rabbit. Hearing it in a TV show or movie almost always takes the scene down a couple points for me though.

Brilliant song that's been stripped bare. (Ditto "Somebody to Love.") There are 10 other Airplane songs just waiting there for anyone with a bit of imagination: "Mexico," "Blues from an Airplane," "Saturday Afternoon"...).

Wasn't Bobby Beausoleil one of the original members of Love?

yes

Is the documentary everyone is watching on YT the one made in 1972? Because that's the one I'm halfway through and wow.

I thought it said 1973 on the YT I played, but it's the one with Vincent Bugliosi talking in a courthouse and lots of self-shot footage of the family at their various locations. Some footage of Fromme, Goode, and one other (Krenwinkel?) in a dark room, each holding a rifle or shotgun. Some looks like it was shot before the murders, and some after.

Just checked, it does say 1972 on the first one I found (posted by SpainyB but I think I watched a different upload), but that's the one.

As for the Aquarius soundtrack, I feel the same way but I guess I'm better able to roll with that kind of easy reaching.

Starting to believe that a Tarantino movie about John Phillips (set against the Manson era) might actually work - holding off until the inevitable script leakage and tantrum.

I watched Valley of the Dolls the other day for the first time, it was p good... Sharon Tate had a very dated line that totally caught me off guard, talking to Neely O'Hara, complaining about her hairdresser: "Oh Neely, I wouldn't worry. You know how bitchy fags can be."

So anyway:

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/sony-wins-worldwide-rights-next-quentin-tarantino-film-1059385

A source tells The Hollywood Reporter that the Tarantino film has to make $375 million worldwide to break even.

jesus, did Django even make that much worldwide?

This is all going to be his origin story/tie-in for the entire Tarantino Cinematic Universe, you realize.

Sony Pictures has won the showdown for the right to finance and distribute Quentin Tarantino’s next movie, which has the working title #9.

The "working title" is encouraging, as it suggests that there is a small hope that he might not actually be doing this Manson thing, right?

xxpost just shy of $450m http://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Django-Unchained#tab=summary

xp it's his ninth film & Manson connection = Revolution 9

Django was his (sorry) New Jersey.

They'll be hoping for Django size numbers rather than The Hateful Eight's $145m.

Word is that the Manson murders will be more a background element/'something in the air,' which strikes me as the smart way around it.

I am dreading this movie

seeing unconfirmed reports that Manson has died, thought that's what the bump was about here

reports about Manson dying are kind of perennial, i know he's in the hospital but this has happened like 12-14 times in my lifetime

lots of wishful thinking in the past, but fingers crossed this is the real deal

it'll be his Summer of Sam, except even worse

"Worse than Summer of Sam" would actually be quite an accomplishment in its own way.

So QT simply gets away with this sorry excuse? He knew about several cases, never said a damn thing, earned his bucks through him? Really?

why wouldn't he? isn't his core audience disproportionately men with little taste and judgment?

and me :)

that's a weird thing to say, I know a lot of female QT fans

well they may not be the core, they just have a warped idea of irony and don't understand Sergio Leone (like you).

Morbs, true. Srsly though if we're talking about burning it down, and I'm behind that, at the very least this weasily, opportune, talentless scumbag enabler shouldn't escape the purge.

"Worse than Summer of Sam" would actually be quite an accomplishment in its own way.

QT's made maybe 2 films that are better than Summer of Sam.

well given that he's made only 3 good films... no, you mean 3

over and out Charlie, you little weirdo

In Loving Memory of
Charles Manson

THE NINTH FILM BY QUENTIN TARANTINO

that sounds abt right

According to Deadline’s Mike Fleming Jr., in Quentin Tarantino’s next project, Leonardo DiCaprio will play “an actor who had his own Western show, Bounty Law, that ran on the air from 1958 to 1963. His attempt to transition to movies didn’t work out and in 1969—the film is set at the height of hippy Hollywood movement—he’s guesting on other people’s shows while contemplating going to Italy which has become a hotbed for low-budget Westerns.”

http://deadline.com/2018/01/leo-dicaprio-quentin-tarantino-film-gender-argument-wrong-mark-wahlberg-michelle-williams-all-the-money-in-the-world-1202244988/

That's definitely a unique lens through which to examine the Manson murders.

And that cowboy was named . . . "Shorty" O'Shea. And now you know the rest of the story!

I mean I doubt it but it would be very Tarantinoesque for him to tell the story via this peripheral nobody.

Clint Eastwood . . . secretsssssss!

the Shorty angle would be great if that’s what he’s doing

That piece says Tom Cruise may be in the film too, so I doubt he's going to keep this to one plot (or 2.5 hours).

Doesn't literally match up with Eastwood, he went to Europe in '64.

GOD dammit leave the Westerns behind!!!!!

sounds good tho

http://variety.com/2018/film/news/brad-pitt-leonardo-dicaprio-quentin-tarantinos-manson-movie-1202713925/

The film will be released worldwide on August 9, 2019. Opening on the 50th anniversary of the day that the Manson family committed the LaBianca murders and the day after Tate was killed

Seriously, fuck this guy and the studio who thinks this is a cool idea.

"DiCaprio will play Rick Dalton, former star of a western TV series, while Pitt will be his longtime stunt double, Cliff Booth."

Two of the most famous and expensive actors in the world, set to play two people--and I've read a fair amount about the murders over the years--I've never heard of (are they fictionalized?)

Yes.

Good work, QT.

if he plays this "straight" (aka in the vein of Jackie Brown) and not like his exploitation movies I bet it could be good

I fear those days are long behind him.

Didn't he only ever play it "straight" (aka in the vein of Jackie Brown) in, er, Jackie Brown?

I fear those days are long behind him.

― Simon H., Thursday, March 1, 2018 9:07 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm not so sure. Every movie he's done since Jackie Brown (besides maybe Death Proof) has been a heavily stylized/high concept genre exercise or period piece. The fact that this is the first movie he's made based on real events, and that it takes place in the relatively recent past suggest that he'll take a more realistic approach to the material. I don't know how you can do this with cartoon characters. I have a feeling it'll be closer to Pulp Fiction than Jackie Brown w/r/t all that, which is fine by me.

I watched Reservoir Dogs for the first time in years, some if it has aged really bad (his Madonna spiel seems particularly repugnant now) but it really did show up his later stuff as being so flabby, so labored in accomplishing relatively little.

guys jackie brown is 20 years old. this is gonna be 3.5 hours long with 100 characters

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/judge-decides-grandson-will-get-charles-mansons-body/ar-BBK9uhm

"A Manson friend and memorabilia collector"--I hope his claim on the body was motivated by the former, not the latter.

by the way for thread posterity this movie is (currently) titled ONCE UPON A TIME IN HOLLYWOOD

Jackie brown is by far the best Tarantino movie

well yeah

Starring Burt Reynolds

oh that should go well

I will be very surprised if this is any good.

"I believe this just might be my masterpiece" was a sadly prophetic final line of dialogue, cuz it's been all downhill from there.

my brother-in-law told me when i last saw him that he's editing a new movie starring dr. who as manson. directed by mary harron.

the dr. who who was in The Crown.

dr who-who.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR6qvkDDBCg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqlXSshv0wA

Would pay to see Tarantino's Dr. Wu movie.

my brother-in-law told me when i last saw him that he's editing a new movie starring dr. who as manson. directed by mary harron.

https://d1nao0k9edgivc.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Doctor-Who-The-Day-Of-The-Doctor-50th-616x415.jpg

https://nerdist.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Peter-Cushing-Doctor-Who.jpg

Burt:"Does this character have a name?"
D.A: "His name...is Charles Manson--aka Charlie, aka Jesus, aka the Devil."
Deputy D.A.: "His partner's name is Tex Watson."
Burt: "Those are great names!"

I was in a used book store on the weekend, and they had the Manson Life magazine on the wall. First physical copy I've ever laid eyes on. I'm real cheap when it comes to used records and books--I'd pay maybe $15 for that. It was priced at $50.

Our family subscribed to Life at that time, but I'm sure it was tossed eventually, like every other issue.

you can get one for 20+ on ebay. i just checked.

Thanks. For me, it'd actually end up costing more than the $50 after postage ($15) and exchange.

Google Books To Rescue: Google Books To The Rescue!

FWIW, I'm a small-time dealer of vintage advertising, specifically old magazine ads, and $50 for that mag seems a bit exorbitant. They probably pulled it out and marked it up after Charlie bit it.

Thanks for digging that up (so to speak)--will make a concerted effort to read the article.

The Jann Wenner bio talked about the Rolling Stone cover story, and how the counterculture's view of Manson changed between the murders and the tril. Not sure where the Life cover story falls on the timeline, but Rolling Stone was originally going to publish a piece that basically presented Manson as a victim of hippie profiling. Something changed in the interim--maybe the Life story fits in there--and by the time they went to press, they had joined everyone in seeing him for what he was.

"trial"

"trial"

― clemenza, Wednesday, 9 May 2018 13:37 (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Agreed, Manson's trial was a sham

It was a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham of a tril.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bphR-6Xi1_I

On closer inspection, that magazine is a trip. In addition to the cover story, there's Albert Goldman on the posthumous fame of Lord Buckley, a Richard Schickel movie roundup with a funny still of Hoffman & Farrow in John And Mary, a shit-ton of xmas booze ads, and two pages of readers letters about My Lai, which I heartily recommend reading.

In related stuff, here is the issue with their initial coverage of the Tate murders.

Also, becasue I keep seeing this on Buzzr every few months, here's Jay Sebring on To Tell The Truth in 1963:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDxk_9YlkUc

Only interested in the Tarantino movie if Polanski plays himself.

— 𝕿𝖗𝖔𝖚𝖇𝖑𝖊 𝕰𝖛𝖊𝖗𝖞 𝕯𝖆𝖞 (@NickPinkerton) May 9, 2018

Quentin Tarantino’s ONCE UPON A TIME IN HOLLYWOOD making its presence known out on Hollywood Blvd. pic.twitter.com/YQ17IJPcaO

— Peter Avellino (@PeterAPeel) July 17, 2018

fashion

https://people.com/movies/leonardo-dicaprio-and-brad-pitt-quentin-tarantino-sharon-tate-movie/

into it

So /that's/ what happened to the Little Caesars mascot... pic.twitter.com/IdUH7QCqIr

— Simon Abrams (@simonsaybrams) July 26, 2018

I have a really bad feeling about this

Let me know how you feel about the Tarantino Star Trek movie which apparently a go now.

I feel like that is not a good idea

Yes, that's the answer I would've guessed.

there's plenty of other shitty franchises that would deserve him taking the ax to, but that one's not among them imo

shit, p much *any* of the big franchises - Star Wars, Fast and Furious, Bond, Marvel, DC...

He really shoulda just directed a season of Justified.

Scotty, warp speed motherfucker.

Practically writes itself.

he'll have to invent some slur for Vulcan for every crewmember to casually utter

Uhura will kill a couple Kingons f'sure

but anyway he's a straight (maybe) white male, he has 5 years left where he's allowed to make films, at best

He's said he's only making two more (& Star Trek doesn't count), so might just squeeze under that wire

promises, promises

oh so all of a sudden the Star Trek doesn't count? boo

Crimson Tide and It's Pat aren't counted either

https://deadline.com/2018/08/lena-dunham-austin-butler-maya-hawke-lorenza-izzo-quentin-tarantino-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-1202450671/

This will be extra missable!

Uma's daughter is interesting casting... "You almost killed my mom" not the dealbreaker it used to be.

https://news.avclub.com/burce-dern-to-replace-burt-reynolds-in-tarantinos-once-1829369959

I LOVE Burce Dem!!

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2019/01/preview-quentin-tarantino-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood

Musso & Franks, i been dere

Tarantino is turning into old Robin Williams

Brad Pitt is 55, huh and wtf

well, he was a young actor doing guest shots on thirtysomething... 30 years ago

I mean I *know* he’s 55 but I also know Sean Connery was 58 when he filmed Last Crusade. I mean Brad is aging extremely well. Or photographing well.

old guys got old faster

i mean, when Spencer Tracy was Bruce Springsteen's age, he was dead.

is the title really going to be stylized as Once Upon a Time... in Hollywood

Boo

I wanna see Lena Dunham

Added ellipses because even his titles have to be unnecessarily long.

this is coming out soon as well:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Haunting_of_Sharon_Tate

Pregnant with director Roman Polanski's child and awaiting his return from Europe, 26-year-old Hollywood actress Sharon Tate becomes plagued by visions of her imminent death.

pic.twitter.com/NvTyvK0jML

— 𝕿𝖗𝖔𝖚𝖇𝖑𝖊 𝕰𝖛𝖊𝖗𝖞 𝕯𝖆𝖞 (@NickPinkerton) March 18, 2019

I thought for a second that all four of them were in the movie and those were set pictures, then I remembered the latter two were in a Starsky and Hutch movie.

wow it's insane, those two pairs are exact matches

I'm guessing it's not totally unintentional.

Lookit those two actors, actin' it up. Thinking big acting thoughts.

TRAILER! I'm in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptzyxQxr3JU&fbclid=IwAR15MAu2b6t70yojxMS2j0GKDpcQ2g04Zx5CoF2Xsu9lBkjjJoSgCWCk0Ew

Let's try this link: https://youtu.be/ptzyxQxr3JU

why is that kid leaning into whisper but then speaking so loudly

Paid by Leo's agent, is what I heard made up.

Martin Scorsese presents a Paul Thomas Anderson Quentin Tarantino picture.

You know this is gonna be another of these recent Tarantino scripts where everyone is hard of hearing and repeats things a million times.

"You're the best actor."

"Did you say I'm the best actor?"

"Yes."

"Me, I'm the best actor?"

"Yes, the best actor."

"Me?"

"Yes, you."

"You say I'm the best actor?"

"Yes."

BRUCE LEE

that looks fun !

Wait...in INGLOURIOUS BASTERDS, a French movie buff helps kill Hitler & ends WWII. In DJANGO UNCHAINED, a Spaghetti Western/blaxploitation hero strikes a blow against slavery. In ONCE UPON A TIME IN HOLLYWOOD is Bruce Lee going to prevent the Manson murders?

— Patton Oswalt (@pattonoswalt) March 20, 2019

Bruce Lee DOES the Manson Murders.

Ok I will be very upset if Brad Pitt somehow shows up Bruce Lee

i wonder, is that "bruce lee" or does he make it notionally fictional, like "gary fong" or something?

i was at a bruce lee exhibit not so long ago, they had his old high school and college papers (!) on display. he was really into self-actualization. he had a plan for everything, going way back to his teens. (he was also a pretty good writer.) which makes it all the sadder that he died so damn young.

It's supposed to be Bruce Lee. Steve McQueen is also a character in the film.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7131622/fullcredits/

cannot WAIT for Lena Dunham as a gypsy

looking forward to olyphant's 3 lines

this thing is going to be 3.5 hours long isn't it

this looks good, imho

Oh I had no idea luke perry was involved !

And B. Pitt doesn’t seem very different from the supposedly photoshopped picture... or maybe they Photoshopped him in the whole movie !

What the heck is this movie even about? It looks fun, but I'm worried it will deal with the Manson story in a weird and superficial way.

Tarantino make a superficial movie? Surely not?

I mean, yeah, that's the point. Can he actually do this story justice or is it going to just be a bunch of wish fulfillment nonsense?

Yeah like he would deal with nazism in a superficial way!

Or slavery

I think he managed something interesting with Inglorious Basterds, Django was kind of a horrible mess.

this looks awful, again

Wow, I just might see it because Pitt looks hott in the pictures (I have a thing for hott 60s-70s man-style), and IMO he hasn't looked hot for a very long time! Although I think the Manson story has been molested enough to the point I'm getting pretty annoyed. I watched the Aquarius Manson take and was disappointed with it. There are some mystery factors there - unanswered questions - and that's what compels people to keep going back to it, but at some point you watch all this Manson stuff and feel exhausted and sad and even guilty.

Are there any indications that this is "about" the Manson murders, rather than adjacent?

QT has said a million times it's not about the murders, "it's about LA in 1969"

I'm afraid it's mainly about Quentin Tarantino

There are an awful lot of people/characters close to the murders for them to not feature heavily, at least.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Once_Upon_a_Time_in_Hollywood

can QT just die on an island in the South Indian Ocean?

To imagine a thousand-post thread in which we debate the finer points of how a new movie of his sucks is almost as unendurable as remembering January 2017.

this one will be his best since Death Proof probably, maybe Kill Bill. Never understood the love for Inglorious Basterds.

Isn't that supposed to be the 'family' at one brief point as the camera scans past?

No Pacino means what.. he isn't in it much i'm guessing?

xp: the group of girls at 0:46?

Never mind that, Manson's in the trailer!

https://media.giphy.com/media/3kAL4MCZGTDd05n5Kz/giphy.gif

xp Yeah. I wonder if this is going to be like that ep of Mad Men where there's this creepy vibe and a strAnge guy but no one says who it is.

can QT just die on an island in the South Indian Ocean?

No:

"As long as I'm alive, and as long as I'm rich, the New Beverly will be there, showing double features in 35mm," Tarantino said.

tough to tell from the trailer what this would be about but the movie *looks* good, certainly.

As far as IG I recall my wife got pretty emotional about it, surprisingly even for her; her dad escaped the Germans, barely, about four or five times. He never talked about the holocaust, she never dealt with it herself, it’s too tough for her. The movie was a sort of way to deal with it, unexpectedly? She cannot watch more realistic holocaust films, Schindler’s and The Pianist and others are no-go’s. I doubt her reaction was the same as others, my reaction was more a visceral one to the story and several outstanding scenes. So her POV on her viewing experience was interesting.

DiCaprio's character lives next door to Sharon Tate in the movie

I'm sure he'll encounter Charlie at least once

Never understood the love for Inglorious Basterds.

i like IG just fine. never understood the hate for Django. prob my favorite of his since the 90s w IG coming in at a close 2nd. (but tbf did not see Death Proof or KB2)

I'm in.

Incredible cast listing. My fave credit:

Nicholas Hammond as Sam Wanamaker

Why is Sam Wanamaker in it?

Luke Perry plays Wayne Maunder, the real-life star of the Western TV shows Custer and Lancer.

Nicholas Hammond plays Sam Wanamaker, the actor and director. Wanamaker mostly worked in the UK having fled America during the McCarthy hearings. But his occasional forays back to the US included directing Maunder in Custer.

xp Yeah. I wonder if this is going to be like that ep of Mad Men where there's this creepy vibe and a strAnge guy but no one says who it is.

Not going to happen, but would love it if Roger Sterling or Don Draper or more realistically Megan Draper featured in this.

We need Harry Crane carousing w/a hooker somewhere in the background.

Dakota Fanning ... Squeaky Fromme

what a time to be alive?

a lot of children of hollywood in this film:

Harley Quinn Smith
Margaret Qualley
Rumer Willis
Maya Hawke

probably some more. i suppose this is what you call "meta" casting (although i guess casting always is)

also, this is most millennial name ever:

Hayley Malia Johnson

There's also someone named "Parker Love Bowling" in this, but that's more weird sounding than millennial.

a plurality of current hollywood stars under 30 or so are, in one way or another, legacy cases

Weird trailer--didn't know what to make of the end of it. If a trailer leaves you puzzled, that's a good thing.

keep reading this thread title as

"Quentin Tarantino murders Manson movie"

Damon Herriman (born 31 March 1970) is an Australian actor known for his film and television work in Australia and the United States. He is perhaps best known for his portrayal of Dewey Crowe in Justified. He will portray Charles Manson in both the Netflix series Mindhunter and the Quentin Tarantino film Once Upon a Time in Hollywood (both 2019).

franchise crossover!

shades of out of sight/jackie brown

He doesn't look like him so God knows what's going on there.

I agree clemenza, it's a shit trailer, his teaser trailers used to be great, this is practically an outtakes roll. it doesn't even work as a vague/mood piece teaser. Whatever there's probably going to be 70 of them

He could release the whole film as trailers!

this will be up-Quentin's-asshole shit

The trailer makes it look very boring, visually - like its promoting the wardrobe instead of the film. Makes it seem like it'll be yet another 2010s movie that just looks like an expensive TV show.

this will be up-Quentin's-asshole shit

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, March 20, 2019 11:50 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

that's almost guaranteed!

For what it's worth, I said the trailer was weird, not terrible--it wasn't what I expected...I don't even know what I expected. It seems to be less about Manson than I maybe thought. And I didn't get the final thing where the girl whispers to DiCaprio that he's a great actor, and DiCaprio starts crying. So it left me a little puzzled, and that's better than a trailer that spells out the film from start to finish.

idk i think it looks fun

http://phildellio.tripod.com/tarantino.jpg

Charlie looks very friendly.

I'm not getting interested in this until I find out if it's shorter than 2:30.

Quentin up his own ass mining for Hollywood / hippie shit in 1969 >>>>>>>>>>> Quentin up his own ass mining for Westerns

xp I would put $100 on this being at least 150 min.

shades of out of sight/jackie brown

He's crying at the end because he's a conceited actor

I agree that it's nice for once to have a trailer that doesn't reveal the whole plot and best jokes/moments and instead leaves you wondering what the thing is even about.

Maybe those are the best jokes/moments?

ahah touché !

Not that there were any jokes I could spot.

That's the point !
Anyway, for all the Manson talks, I get the impression it's mostly a movie about... making movies ?

regarding his latest movies, I really enjoyed Death Proof, liked some moments in IB and Django was OK.
I haven't bothered watching The Hateful Eight...
Overall, at this point, I think my favourite movies of his are Jacky Brown and Death Proof.

He's crying at the end because he's a conceited actor

I thought it might be that he's a stuntman who's overcome by someone taking him seriously, even if it looks to be by a 10-year-old.

Anyway, for all the Manson talks, I get the impression it's mostly a movie about...making movies?

Same impression.

Brad is the stuntman, Leo is the actor

Oops. Not so puzzling anymore.

I really liked Death Proof at the time. Besides jibing (again at the time) with my appreciation for boring for boring's sake, it contains one of my favorite visual jokes, when this hard-boiled gritty '70s pastiche spills over into the contemporary world, and this grimy muscle car chase starts sharing the road with mundane minivans. Don't know if it was intentional, but I could have sworn the movie itself also shifts from affectations like fake film artifacts to something clearer and more pristine, too, but tbh I just saw it once.

IB, I pretty much like all the parts that don't involve Brad Pitt and his titular rag-tag crew. I also appreciate the cathartic audacity of its conclusion.

Django and Hateful Eight I thought were indulgent and offensive and stupid and lazy.

Yeah, this seems to me to be less "a Manson Murders movie" and more "a Hollywood 1969 movie which happens to include the Family." I wonder if Tarantino has read this book, Creepy Crawling: Charles Manson and the Many Lives of America's Most Infamous Family -- it's a kind of anti-Joan Didion look at not just Manson, but out how the counterculture generally, and the Family specifically, easily insinuated itself into the movie and music industries in the late 60s, and how quickly everyone shut the gates and stopped "slumming" after the murders. (Terry Melcher, e.g., was a *lot* more involved with the Family then he let on later, and at one point was interested in having Sandra Good move into his house and act as an, um, "domestic servant" to him and Candace Bergen.)

Kind of surprised Dennis Wilson isn't popping up in this actually

I suspect there's no way his estate would let them use his name, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a Wilson-like character show up.

Or Papa John Phillips, the Wolf King of LA.

eheh I have just realized Brad Pitt in this is basically... Jacques Dutronc (french singer for those who are not familiar) !

https://resize-parismatch.ladmedia.fr/img/var/news/storage/images/paris-match/culture/cinema/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-premiere-photo-de-dicaprio-et-brad-pitt-dans-le-nouveau-tarantino-1548710/25196318-1-fre-FR/Once-Upon-a-Time-in-Hollywood-premiere-photo-de-DiCaprio-et-Brad-Pitt-dans-le-nouveau-Tarantino.jpg

https://static1.puretrend.com/articles/1/11/29/21/@/1309118-jacques-dutronc-en-compagnie-de-la-580x0-2.jpg

I wonder if Tarantino has read this book, Creepy Crawling: Charles Manson and the Many Lives of America's Most Infamous Family

Jeffrey Melnick's book--read it over the summer.

What the heck is this movie even about? It looks fun, but I'm worried it will deal with the Manson story in a weird and superficial way.

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, March 21, 2019 4:55 AM (yesterday)

Can he actually do this story justice or is it going to just be a bunch of wish fulfillment nonsense?

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, March 21, 2019 5:00 AM (yesterday)

Are there any indications that this is "about" the Manson murders, rather than adjacent?

― change display name (Jordan), Thursday, March 21, 2019 5:17 AM (yesterday)

It seems to be less about Manson than I maybe thought. And I didn't get the final thing where the girl whispers to DiCaprio that he's a great actor, and DiCaprio starts crying. So it left me a little puzzled, and that's better than a trailer that spells out the film from start to finish.

― clemenza, Thursday, March 21, 2019 11:47 AM (yesterday)

Anyway, for all the Manson talks, I get the impression it's mostly a movie about... making movies ?

― AlXTC from Paris, Thursday, March 21, 2019 9:23 PM (yesterday)

Yeah, this seems to me to be less "a Manson Murders movie" and more "a Hollywood 1969 movie which happens to include the Family." I wonder if Tarantino has read this book, Creepy Crawling: Charles Manson and the Many Lives of America's Most Infamous Family -- it's a kind of anti-Joan Didion look at not just Manson, but out how the counterculture generally, and the Family specifically, easily insinuated itself into the movie and music industries in the late 60s, and how quickly everyone shut the gates and stopped "slumming" after the murders. (Terry Melcher, e.g., was a *lot* more involved with the Family then he let on later, and at one point was interested in having Sandra Good move into his house and act as an, um, "domestic servant" to him and Candace Bergen.)

― Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Thursday, March 21, 2019 11:16 PM (yesterday)

As far as I can tell, the entirety of Tarantino's public statements are:

in November 2017, on the then-untitled film: “It’s not Charles Manson, it’s 1969." cautioned Quentin Tarantino

February 2018 press release announcing title Once Upon A Time In Hollywood: Tarantino describes it as “a story that takes place in Los Angeles in 1969, at the height of hippy Hollywood. The two lead characters are Rick Dalton, former star of a western TV series, and his longtime stunt double Cliff Booth. Both are struggling to make it in a Hollywood they don’t recognize anymore. But Rick has a very famous next-door neighbor…Sharon Tate.”

“I’ve been working on this script for five years, as well as living in Los Angeles County most of my life, including in 1969, when I was seven years old. I’m very excited to tell this story of an LA and a Hollywood that don’t exist anymore. And I couldn’t be happier about the dynamic teaming of DiCaprio & Pitt as Rick & Cliff.”

Tarantino in April 2018: the film is set in LA at the height of the counterculture revolution and of New Hollywood; there are two leads and everyone else are interweaving characters somewhat in the style of Pulp Fiction.

can we retire this "hmm how will he handle this deep biographical examination of the Manson Family??!" handwringing itt?

tbf this thread kicked off w/ an article titled "Quentin Tarantino Prepping New Movie Tackling Manson Murders" during a time QT was screening that Manson doc and peddling his weird conspiracy theories

not sure that QT can pull of a manson biopic

I'm guessing Tarantino has been quite content to let the Manson hand-wringing proceed a pace.

nah I think he can do it, Roman Polanski is gonna machine-gun Charlie to death and be carried shoulder-high down Hollywood Boulevard

i think it’ll be dope

cannot WAIT for Lena Dunham as a gypsy

I believe she is playing a Mansonite named Gypsy?

There wasn't even a "Hollywood" by 1969.

huh?

Hollywood in the '30s/'40s sense of the word--primarily the studio system--was gone almost two decades by 1969.

Isn’t that exactly what sic’s quotes are saying?

a story that takes place in Los Angeles in 1969, at the height of hippy Hollywood. The two lead characters are Rick Dalton, former star of a western TV series, and his longtime stunt double Cliff Booth. Both are struggling to make it in a Hollywood they don’t recognize anymore.

More like HollyWEIRD, amirite?

Hollywood in the '30s/'40s sense of the word--primarily the studio system--was gone almost two decades by 1969.

― clemenza, Friday, March 22, 2019 6:52 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

strictly speaking there was never a singular "hollywood" identical to the motion picture industry, b/c studio facilities and offices were spread out across urban los angeles (as they are today). "hollywood" was always a casual bit of synecdoche.

in other words, 1969 is different to 1939, no doubt. 2019 is different to 1969, as well. and yet people have used the term "hollywood" as a synonym for the U.S. film (and, by the '50s at the latest, TV) industry since the 1910s and through to the present, with minimal misunderstanding. tarantino's movie takes place w/in the industry. so what exactly is the problem?

a burbank they don't recognize anymore

Keep Hollyweird weird

"once upon a time in century city"

Can’t wait for this. Damn, it’s even made me want to watch death proof for gosh sake

Death Proof is good if you like either car chases or Tarantino hang-out dialogue (nb: haven't seen the extended DVD version, saw Grindhouse in 2007 and 2017). better than Django, maybe better than Inglorious.

The sign said HOLLYWOODLAND until 1949, i'm not sure i realised it was so recently that they changed it.

The sign was at its most dilapidated in the late 70s;

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Hullywod-Sign.jpg

I'll watch a couple movies made in Hollyweird in 1969 while youse guys are at this

not a good year tbh.

they shoot horses, don't they?

In what universe is Death Proof better than IB or even Django ferchristsake?

I'll take Death Proof over Django any day

[23,200 posts on which is tarantino's worst movie]

Basterds, Django, and Eight all seem forced to me. excited for this one cause it seems more casual, shooting for a lower bar maybe

In what universe

I haven't rewatched Basterds, so I'm unsure of its specific placing among the lower ranks; Django is the only QT I think is bad.

Death Proof had a lot of weak spots but the car crash sequence that closes the first half is really close to peak Tarantino.

The creep if weak, overly indulgent Tarantino dialogue is all there in Death Proof but the car stuff is so good I can forgive it.

as my friend has observed:

"What kind of movies does Tarantino like?

CRAP.

And that's FINE.

But HOW LONG is the crap that he likes? 82 minutes."

Yeah I mean it’s not an uncommon opinion that things went downhill after his longtime editor passed away.

what crap movies does tarantino like? i mean, jack hill movies are rough around the edges, but i wouldn't say they were crap. and certainly the classic hollywood and asian action films he appreciates aren't crap. or pabst or, heck, doesn't he pretty much like everything? (except john ford, i suppose.) i remember ray carney publishing some idiotic thing in the baffler a million years ago about how tarantino represented a debased culture since he was basing his aesthetic on trash and it was a tiresome argument then. that doesn't mean everything t touches turns to gold, not hardly.

Finding gold in trash is... his thing. He’s not oblivious to or unappreciative of the classics either, obviously. The marriage of high/low is the appeal. I don’t know why this needs to be talked about in 2019 but hey Morbs.

I just want to say that John Ford was an excellent filmmaker

yeah, he wrote a thing for his rep theater's site about how great Ulzana's Raid is (true!) but bashing Ford's Fort Apache.

it's incredible to me how many typos and grammar mistakes are in anything tarantino writes. i guess this has been known for a while. is he dyslexic?

yes

I don't love Tarantino, but I don't completely hate him, either. To me, his films are a bit thin on heavy ideas, and they throw a lot of style at you. But on second thought, I'll bet that like me he's read a lot of the Manson material and felt there was a mystique there, or a lot of nagging questions, when you read all that stuff, you feel unsatisfied (they're all about the gore and the beautiful people who died), and maybe, like the Aquarius thing, getting into the milieu around Manson might give you a more complete sense of what was going on in LA back then. Maybe that's more of what I'm looking for, so I'll def watch it.

The thing I hate about Manson movies is that the dudes never look like Manson, but this one does, and I always find that distracting. The other movies make Manson too Jesus-like.

But HOW LONG is the crap that he likes? 82 minutes.

nah, I saw The Hallelujah Trail at the New Bev

obv I am talkin the AIP drive-in crap

Death Proof deserves some wry admiration I think for being a movie that just consists of QT’s kinks onscreen for the length of a feature.

Would be cool if some characters show up from Pychon’s Inherent Vice

Mary Harron--first I've heard of this:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1759744/

Wouldn't be shocked if it turns out to be the better film.

Dr. Who (Matt Smith) as Manson!?!?

So we have The Haunting of Sharon Tate, Charlie Says and Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Apparently, there is also a forthcoming Sharon Tate biopic from Kate Bosworth, though she's indicated it won't be Manson-centric.

50th anniversary etc.

Has there been a young Charles Manson movie yet? There should be. We have to get to the bottom of how Charles Manson became Charles Manson!

Charlie Says at least treats "the girls" as human beings, which is sadly a new angle.

xp: a prequel! yeah, I like the sounds of that.

Charles Before Manson

Charlie Says looks like it has the same kind of empathy for the females as the Jeffrey Melnick book Creepy Crawling.

I'm wondering whether they had to change the title for the UK market, because over here "Charlie Says" can only mean one thing...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZGCEdv5ngg

Charles Before Manson

It never occurred to me that Charlie Says wasn't a deliberate allusion to the cat.

I thought it referenced "Candy Says."

Charlies says
I've come to hate the piggies...

(xpost) Thought the same. Mary Harron did direct I Shot Andy Warhol.

I keep wanting to say Charlie Says ... Relax!

Charlie Says Don't Surf

I assumed the title comes from the fact that his followers were apt to quote his sayings ad nauseum.

Yet another one--saw a bootleg copy of this today.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMWNjMWMwMmQtYjM5MC00NDE2LWEyM2ItOTY0ZjMxYjY0NWUxXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMzY0MTE3NzU@._V1_UX182_CR0,0,182,268_AL_.jpg

The premise makes no sense at all. Sharon Tate didn't survive Manson--I don't think I've ever read anywhere that her dreams beforehand were noteworthy.

Poor Hilary Duff...

https://centuriesofsound.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/2017_03_28_08-07-28.png

I saw that film last week, so I could contrast with the new Mary Harron one — it's bad, and not even in a MST3k way. It's really just an excuse to film the murder itself, which they replay about three times, including an "alternate reality" where they manage to kill off the Manson family and escape. Duff spends the whole film wide-eyed and at least once a scene someone has to mention she's pregnant, or she touches her belly. It doesn't even look particularly period.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELeMaP8EPAA

New Trailer.

Tarantino/Pitt/Dicaprio interview as well.

https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a27458589/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-leonardo-dicaprio-brad-pitt-quentin-tarantino-interview/

That's a great roundtable. Suddenly I'm stoked for this picture.

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Yeah, me too. It starts off feeling kinda douchey imo, but they take the conversation to some interesting places. I'm definitely cautiously optimistic.

Early Cannes reactions:

https://variety.com/2019/film/news/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-first-reactions-quentin-tarantino-1203222562/

Gah, I was not expecting to be excited, since I hated his last two, but ... count me in. Now to go several months spoiler free ...

I remember getting a copy of the Pulp Fiction script months before it came out. I didn't read it, but I did look at one page and saw the word "chainsaw." Then that sucker got given to someone else, post haste.

the con goes on

I guess if you call the marketing a con? Because for all the movies I haven't liked, Tarantino has still made 3 or 4 or 5 or 4.5 I love, which is more good movies than most directors make. And at the least I think he is a good *director*, so I always like *watching* his movies even if I don't like the acting or script or whatever.

It starts off feeling kinda douchey

I thought at first this was referring to the trailer, and I was like, wait, but it ends kinda douchey too

morbs otm

https://www.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/sight-sound-magazine/reviews-recommendations/once-upon-time-hollywood-quentin-tarantino-1960s-golden-age-meta-movie-charles-manson-sharon-tate-murders?fbclid=IwAR0u4IXsvkkwQlcqRV6fd1hFV7b28seLm_tODBB-JPqAg_9Ya-V1leU3J9k

this movie is totally going to end with leo killing manson and saving the day, right?

I figure it's gonna be something like that, though I think it's gonna be Sharon Tate that ends up killing Manson somehow. Hopefully Tarentino put a bit of thought into this than I did though.

weird that i feel very much okay with tarantino killing hitler in his wwii revenge picture but very much not okay at the prospect of him 'saving' sharon tate in this one

same

I'm gonna ask my Cannes contact to spoil it for me

They're gonna break into the wrong house and kill DiCaprio and Pitt.

No genuine spoilers on this thread, please.

simon pls inbox me full and detailed spoilers kthxbye

MANSON KILLS DAENERYS & IRON MAN.

https://frinkiac.com/meme/S09E13/335117.jpg?b64lines=IFNPLCBUSEUgQ09QUyBLTkVXIFRIQVQKIElOVEVSTkFMIEFGRkFJUlMgV0FTCiBTRVRUSU5HIFRIRU0gVVA_

Anyway, A.A. Dowd at The AV Club gives it a B+ fwiw

https://film.avclub.com/quentin-tarantino-fights-the-future-in-his-funky-meand-1834944301

Is the word "Baggy" a new film crit plaything? Somebody over on CriterionForum collected up a number of tweets re:OUATIH and it appeared in like 3/4 of them.

I remember it being used to describe his last 2 movies

It's gotta be a loose fit.

I think it's gonna be Sharon Tate that ends up killing Manson somehow

Smothering him to death with her gigantic, naked feet, of course.

The ending to Inglorious Basterds was an entertaining twist. Django was just dumb. If he's going for some kind of wish fulfillment fix for the Manson murders, I'll be pretty disappointed.

Movie looks cool though, so I'm not ready to abandon hope.

Manson gets that record deal, no murders.

At the behest of a desperate Dennis Wilson, Mike Love kills the entire Manson family.

At the behest of a desperate Dennis Wilson, Mike Love has his photograph taken with the entire Manson family, 45 years later it is posted on a thread on the ILX message board.

alright im outta here until July

If, as widely guessed, Brad Pitt prevents the murders in a blaze of bloody glory, that will be an Inglourious Bastards-derived joke come to fully unimagined life.

Sharon Tate lives, plays Jackie Brown in an universally acclaimed comeback in 1997.

fond of this L'boxd review

https://letterboxd.com/papabear9/film/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood/

a nearly comatose-able experience directed savegly

would make a great blurb for the poster

Anyone who wants full spoilers: go digging in the Wiki entry's edit history.

OK, that's officially even worse than anything I would have come up with.

lol my reaction as well

yup

Movie looks cool though

iirc QT works with a good cinematographer. don't let that fool you.

I truly can’t think of a dumber ending, or one that plays to his critics more. Is there a German word for the paradoxical feeling of actually being surprised at how lazily predictable something ends up being?

And when Sharon Tate, spared a grisly end by Bruce Lee's single-handed dispatch of her would-be assailants, finally did give birth, her son grew up to be famous in his own right. His name? Quentin Tarantino. And that's the rest of the story. Good day!

(If I did guess the ending, I swear it was a total accident and I apologize, but if it's actually that stupid then you should probably also demand an apology from QT himself.)

I approve of your Paul Harvey impression, could use more ellipses though

oh god there’s gonna be so many fucking thinkpieces about this

stinkpieces

Video store boy makes another film. What a grifter.

Doesn't look like this has been posted, unless I missed it.

http://www.vulture.com/2019/05/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-review.html?fbclid=IwAR0kWz7CbfHiURq8pmffxOUjehb_ZF90Gr8V2qSPW9Iny6cWwNeGbiIZIPE

I barely skim reviews beforehand, but does seem to be enthusiastic.

oh god there’s gonna be so many fucking thinkpieces about this

― michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, May 22, 2019 6:16 PM (

I went on one of my few Twitter tirades two days ago constructing false binaries (i.e. why men -- always men -- look to QT to relive the shit nostalgia from their youth don't get half so excited for Claire Denis or even James Gray).

That drifting, elegiac quality (which at times may recall his once-neglected, now-classic Jackie Brown) is the film’s great strength

v encouraging sentence

I wish people would stop this "once neglected" twaddle. It got good reviews, did well in theaters, did better on VHS/DVD; lots of critics at the time said it was his best movie.

Yeah, there's no such thing as a "neglected" Tarantino movie, unless they mean that the Pulp Fiction-worshipping frat ape contingent didn't like it as much as his other shit, because it had recognizable human beings demonstrating realistic human emotions in it.

Anyone who wants full spoilers: go digging in the Wiki entry's edit history.
― Simon H., Wednesday, May 22, 2019 2:12 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

OK, that's officially even worse than anything I would have come up with.
― shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, May 22, 2019 2:29 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

how indeed is it possible for somebody to be so far up his own ass

v otm

xp

I was gonna make a crack about 'neglected' in this context basically meaning 'a QT film that cannot be easily perpetuated in the public consciousness via the medium of Halloween costumes' but now I feel like I absolutely must do Max Cherry this year.

that climax is 100% unsurprising, eh

There's a great movie to be made about the Manson family that focuses on the psychological path of the women.
― полезные дурак (Sanpaku), Wednesday, July 12, 2017

It turns out that movie is Mary Harron's Charlie Says, written by long term collaborator Guinevere Turner (American Psycho, The Notorious Bettie Page). Heard about it on today's Film Comment podcast, where Harron reveals that she was only green lit after Tarantino's film was announced.

Ten films to see before you see Once Upon a Time in Hollywood:

https://www.indiewire.com/gallery/quentin-tarantino-movies-influenced-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood/

Ten films on television? Pffft. Here's what he's showing on 35mm double features as warmup for the One Day In 1969 flick:

9/10 June: [part of 12 days programming of gay & lesbian film]
The Killing Of Sister George (1968, Beryl Reid and Susannah York have a relationship breakdown)
The Sergeant (1968, Rod Steiger tries to bang PFC John Phillip Law)

1969 in JUNE:

12/13:
The Wrecking Crew (1968 Matt Helm joint starring Dean Martin & Sharon Tate – newly-struck print)
Hammerhead (1968, Sony Archive print)

14/15:
2001: A Space Odyssey [1968, no double feature]

16/17:
Once Upon A Time In The West [1968, no double feature]

18: Gary Lockwood double feature
Model Shop (Jacques Demy)
They Came To Rob Las Vegas (1968)

19/20:
Lady In Cement (1968 noir starring Sinatra)
Pretty Poison (1968 Lorenzo Semple Jr. / Tony Perkins / Tuesday Weld joint)

21/22:
Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice
Cactus Flower

23/24:
Sweet Charity [no double feature]

25:
There’s A Girl In My Soup (1970)
The Love God?

26/27:
Krakatoa East Of Java [IB Tech print]
The Boston Strangler (1968)

28/29:
Bullitt (1968)
Pendulum (George Schaefer directing George Peppard and Jean Seberg)

30/01:
The Sterile Cuckoo (Pakula / Liza)
3 In The Attic

1969 MIDNIGHTS:

June 15:
Journey To The Far Side Of The Sun (d. Robert Parrish)

22:
Candy (d. Christian Marquand, w. Terry Southern)

29:
Alice’s Restaurant (d. Arthur Penn)

1969 KIDDIE MATINEES:

June 1&2:
The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes (Robert Butler directing Kurt Russell, 16mm)

15/16:
The Green Slime (Kinji Fukasaku, 16mm)

22/23:
Chitty Chitty Bang Bang (d. Ken Hughes, w. Dahl, Fleming)

29/30:
The Reivers (d. Mark Rydell, 16mm)

NEW HOLLYWOOD / MOVIE STARS IN JULY

2:
The Mad Bomber (starring Vince Edwards, 1973, 16mm)
Moving Target (starring Ty Hardin, 1967, 16mm)

3/4: George Maharis double feature
The Happening (1967, Sony Archive print)
Land Raiders (1970)

5/6: Raquel Welch double feature
Fantastic Voyage (1966)
100 Rifles (1969)

7/8: Ann-Margret double feature
Murderer’s Row (1966)
Kitten With A Whip (1964)

9: Ed ‘Kookie’ Byrnes double feature
Any Gun Can Play (1967)
Wicked, Wicked (1973)

10/11: Ed ‘Kookie’ Byrnes double feature
The Secret Invasion (1964)
Darby’s Rangers (1958, 16mm)

12/13: Jane Fonda double feature, both Sony Archive prints
Cat Ballou (1965)
The Chase (1966)

4/15: Tab Hunter double feature, both Sony Archive prints
Gunman’s Walk (1958)
They Came To Corduba (1959

16:
A Bullet For Pretty Boy (starring Fabian, 1970)
Horror House (starring Frankie Avalon, 1969)

17/18 TRIPLE FEATURE:
Sweet Kill (starring Tab Hunter, 1972)
Soul Hustler (starring Fabian, 1973, 16mm)
Sweet Saviour (starring Troy Donahue, 1971)

19/20: Natalie Wood double feature
Gypsy (1962)
This Property Is Condemned (1966)

21/22: Fabian double feature
Ride The Wild Surf (1964)
Thunder Alley (1967, 16mm)

23: William Smith TRIPLE FEATURE
C.C. And Company (1970, 16mm)
The Losers (1970)
Hollywood Man (1976)

24: George Hamilton double feature
Evel Knievel (1971)
Jack Of Diamonds (1967, 16mm)

WEDNESDAY MATINEES in JUNE: ‘60s HITCHCOCK on IB Tech prints
The Birds
Marnie
Torn Curtain
Topaz

WEDNESDAY MATINEES in JULY: ‘60s BOND on IB Tech prints
From Russia With Love
Goldfinger
Thunderball
You Only Live Twice
On Her Majesty’s Secret Service

MONDAY MATINEES JUNE: BRAD PITT
Interview With The Vampire
Se7en
The Assassination Of Jesse James By The Coward Robert Ford
Ocean’s Eleven

MONDAY MATINEES JULY: LEO DiCAPRIO
Inception
This Boy’s Life
The Quick And The Dead
The Basketball Diaries
The Aviator

Once Upon A Time In The West [1968, no double feature]

What cowardice is this

I think u guys need a nu thred as there won't be any Manson murders

The Wrecking Crew (1968 Matt Helm joint starring Dean Martin & Sharon Tate – newly-struck print)

the WASTE

It's pointed out in the You Must Remember This Manson season that The Wrecking Crew garnered Tate her only good reviews (pre-slaying).

I think u guys need a nu thred as there won't be any Manson murders

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must you

it's "must u guys"

Morbs u

dis ting got a soundtrack yet?

It's pointed out in the You Must Remember This Manson season that The Wrecking Crew garnered Tate her only good reviews (pre-slaying).

Andrew Sarris singled her out in Don't Make Waves, albeit strictly for physical charms ("Claudia's troubles are compounded by the fact that she is out-vavavoomed by Sharon Tate in the biggest Hollywood cheesecake robbery since Betty Grable displaced Alice Faye in Tin Pan Alley.").

jaw-dropping caption alert pic.twitter.com/NwQhjNcvWw

— heavy sweater (@someofmybest) July 21, 2019

Is Manson family chic in style again?

Not until women start shaving their heads and scratching swastikas on their foreheads.

it's been some time since I anticipated a movie the way I am this one. And I haven't even seen Tarantino's last three movies.

Haha that explains yr enthusiasm

my enthusiasm is basically all based on the premise, the time it's set, and the trailer.

Spotted on FB:

ONCE UPON A TIME IN… HOLLYWOOD SOUNDTRACK TRACK LISTING:
1. Treat Her Right – Roy Head & The Traits
2. Ramblin’ Gamblin’ Man – The Bob Seger System
Boss Radio feat. Humble Harve:
3. Hush – Deep Purple
4. Mug Root Beer Advertisement
5. Hector – The Village Callers
6. Son of a Lovin’ Man – Buchanan Brothers
7. Paxton Quigley’s Had the Course (from the MGM film Three in the Attic) – Chad & Jeremy
8. Tanya Tanning Butter Advertisement
9. Good Thing – Paul Revere & The Raiders
10. Hungry – Paul Revere & the Raiders
11. Choo Choo Train – The Box Tops
12. Jenny Take a Ride – Mitch Ryder and the Detroit Wheels
13. Kentucky Woman – Deep Purple
14. The Circle Game – Buffy Sainte-Marie
Boss Radio feat. The Real Don Steele:
15. Mrs. Robinson – Simon & Garfunkel
16. Numero Uno Advertisement
17. Bring a Little Lovin’ – Los Bravos
18. Suddenly / Heaven Sent Advertisement
19. Vagabond High School Reunion
20. KHJ Los Angeles Weather Report
21. The Illustrated Man Advertisement / Ready For Action
22. Hey Little Girl – Dee Clark
23. Summer Blonde Advertisement
24. Brother Love’s Traveling Salvation Show – Neil Diamond
25. Don’t Chase Me Around (from the MGM film GAS-S-S-S) – Robert Corff
26. Mr. Sun, Mr. Moon – Paul Revere & the Raiders (feat. Mark Lindsay)
27. California Dreamin’ – Jose Feliciano
28. Dinamite Jim (English Version) – I Cantori Moderni di Alessandroni
29. You Keep Me Hangin’ On (Quentin Tarantino Edit) – Vanilla Fudge
30. Miss Lily Langtry (cue from The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean) – Maurice Jarre
31. KHJ Batman Promotion

I've seen write-ups mentioning "Out of Time" by the Stones as also figuring in. This just might be what's on the actual soundtrack LP.

Needs more Deep Purple. I'm going to see a 70mm print of this with a friend next week. My wife didn't want to go and sent this https://themuse.jezebel.com/quentin-tarantinos-once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-double-1836675763 as part of her reasoning - which I totally get.

How perversely long are we going to persist with this thread title

There's a hilarious fake soundtrack floating around.

DISC ONE

1.01. The Mamas & The Papas - Straight Shooter
1.02. Iron Butterfly - Flowers and Beads
1.03. Kaleidoscope - Keep Your Mind Open
1.04. Blackburn & Snow - Stranger in a Strange Land
1.05. The Byrds - Tribal Gathering
1.06. Fraternity of Man - Wispy Paisley Skies
1.07. Buffalo Springfield - Hung Upside Down
1.08. Charles Manson - The Empty House of Tomorrow
1.09. Spirit - Fresh Garbage
1.10. Neil Young - I've Been Waiting for You
1.11. Dennis Wilson - A Time to Live in Dreams
1.12. West Coast Pop Art Experimental Band - Coming of Age in L.A.
1.13. Fusion - Time of the Ostrich Head
1.14. Charles Manson - People Say I'm No Good
1.15. Canned Heat - Sic 'em Pigs
1.16. Neil Diamond - Brother Loves Travelling Salvation Show

DISC TWO

2.01. Paul Revere & The Raiders - Good Thing
2.02. Turquoise - Beautiful Death Dealer
2.03. Spirit - Fog
2.04. Fraternity of Man - Stop Me, Citate Me
2.05. Evergreen Blueshoes - Silver Shadows
2.06. Hunger! - Colors
2.07. The Doors - Go Insane
2.08. St. John Green - Messages from the Dead
2.09. Fifty Foot Hose - If Not This Time
2.10. MU - Nobody Wants to Shine
2.11. The Beatles - Not Guilty
2.12. The Doors - The Severed Garden (Adagio)
2.13. Charles Manson - The Eyes of a Dreamer
2.14. The United States of America - Where Is Yesterday?
2.15. The Mothers of Invention - Hungry Freaks, Daddy
2.16. Los Bravos - Bring A Little Lovin'

P.S. Hi, Morbs! Love ya, boo!

I've been studiously avoiding soundtrack listings. I want songs to catch me by surprise...

ppl seem to have forgotten the Oscar-winning film that opens with "Out of Time"

never

https://www.goautographs.com/1182-large_default/out-of-time-signed-memorabilia-denzel-washington-eva-mendes-sanaa-lathan-multiple-autographs.jpg

biggest Hollywood cheesecake robbery

would watch for real

after the heist, they repair to the hideout where they eat the cheesecakes and everybody is really happy

read that as "biggest Hollywood Cheesecake Factory"

Thoroughly enjoyed it. About as low-key as a $90 million dollar movie can be.

Noticed how it's deliberate when we should be soaking in the details and design and when we should be listening, rather than piling it all on at once.

Enough ppl I trust have told me it's not worthless that I'll probably see it next week

holy shit, this movie is almost 3 hours long? wish me luck!

are you familiar with Quentin Tarantino?

Quentin 'King of Brevity and Concision' Tarantino is stretching out, it seems.

spost ha

Ok, so I guess I didn't hate this, but I didn't find much to like about it either. Probably his most indulgent movie since Death Proof? I suppose less of it annoyed me than his last two, but I can't imagine ever seeing this again. And I am not sure I would recommend it to anyone.

I liked it very much. the end was a bit jarring but I loved the whole vibe and there was some genuine heart to it at points

gorgeous looking LA

Robie, Leo and Pitt were all great

Armond -- who says all the movies QT has made thus far "are all movies for moral idiots" -- turns in a rave.

https://letterboxd.com/notarmondwhite/film/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood/

I liked the acting fine, though Leo's acting is as always the antithesis of "effortless." But the twist (as such) at the end not only treads the same ground as "Basterds" but is imo both not as successful and also less impactful. That is, the what-if? posed by this movie just didn't do as much for me as the "who says we can't kill Hitler?" surprise. I was surprised by how chill and not showy most of the movie was, compared to lots of recent Tarantino, and relieved it lacked some of his more recent annoying/jarring ticks, but jeez, the stuff with the feet? If you're a dude with a reputation for jerking off to feet, it takes some cojones to constantly ask your actors to prop 'em up and shove them at the camera.

I didn't really notice but people sure seem hung up on it. I don't know what effortless vs effortful acting means or why one is better than the other

If you're a dude with a reputation for jerking off to feet, it takes some cojones to constantly ask your actors to prop 'em up and shove them at the camera.

tbf, by some weird coincidence his two worst films also happen to be the two films that do not feature fetish shots of feet

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/tarantino-billboards-hijacked-la-slam-epstein-polanski-pedowood-1227227

xp which two?

dis ting got a soundtrack yet?

― calstars, Sunday, July 21, 2019 6:15 AM (six days ago)

fifteen copies for sale at each screening at the New Bev today

Soundtrack update! We will have a very limited quantity of the Once Upon a Time in... Hollywood vinyl soundtrack for sale tomorrow at the theater. 15 copies will be allocated for each of Friday’s shows. Limit 1 copy per ticketed customer. Available while supplies last. pic.twitter.com/7TxOHLljE1

— New Beverly Cinema (@newbeverly) July 26, 2019

which two?

Django and Hateful 8

every other one - except for Reservoir Dogs, which I don't think has a single woman in it anywhere (apart from the one who gets carjacked) - has a foot shot

Could've sworn he managed to work one in on Django, but by this point everyone's on the lookout and I trust any such claim.

I'd like a foot shot of QT tripping over one and off a cliff

sounds hottt

Re effortful acting, I mean that Leo is capital A Acting, trying so hard, and you can tell, like a dancer who has memorized the choreography but still looks like they have to think about what they are doing. It's almost campy, but at least in this one it was often kind of TV actor campy on purpose.

Very stagey and broad is what I'm getting at I guess.

will never be able to fathom what Scorsese and QT see in Sweaty Bigface

box office

does he really have a reliable fanbase a la Nic Cage or Tom Cruise or idk some other aging hearthrob? who are these people?

a butthole

Oops wrong thread

xps I'm not sure, but I think The Aviator made money, so they must exist.

I'm fairly sure leonardo dicaprio is one of the biggest stars in motion pictures and that this isn't a little-known fact

His last few movies have grossed more than $100 million, dudes.

he's a star by any definition, but for my students he's already "old."

But are Leonardo DiCaprio movies "Leonardo DiCaprio movies" the way Tom Cruise movies are "Tom Cruise movies"? Or are they inherently interesting movies that happen to star Leonardo DiCaprio?

I saw Inception and The Wolf of Wall Street in theaters, and I go to about one movie a year, but DiCaprio was not the selling point for me in either case.

he is generally the main character in movies he stars in.

and gets top-billing.

But are Leonardo DiCaprio movies "Leonardo DiCaprio movies" the way Tom Cruise movies are "Tom Cruise movies"? Or are they inherently interesting movies that happen to star Leonardo DiCaprio?

― shared unit of analysis (unperson),

I dunno about "inherently interesting," but otherwise yes and yes

The Revanant grossed $150 million and won him an Oscar because it was a monster movie starring Scrunchy Face.

I can say after teaching a film class this summer that thanks to the interchangeability of MU stars (three different Peter Parkers in 15 years?) the men and women less than 25 don't give a shit about stars generally, BUT Brad Pitt and Scrunchy Face (and Meryl Streep!) are easily recognizable and have a "brand." For them, though, Pitt is like Paul Newman when we were kids: "old," "handsome," cool enough to watch in a movie.

Fair enough. Movies, even more than pop music, are an area where I am totally alienated from what normal people like and why.

It was fascinating.

A plot digression features Bruce Dern as a blind, wizened, weakened victim of his own lusts as well as of female opportunists, a Harvey Weinstein figure.

Armond will never change he will only get more despicable

Leonardo has rarely been the best thing about any movie he’s in though I admired his insane commitment to the role in The Revenant (which was pretty good) and he was fantastic in Wolf of Wall Street.

WoWS may be the only movie I legit enjoyed him in, yeah

certainly that may be the only scorsese movie he's in where I find he doesn't distract.

Can only think he must be very easy to work with/director-friendly, like they say about Cruise.

I thought this movie was a serious pleasure to watch - wonderful pacing and world-building. Really enjoyed how restrained and patiently meandering it was. I've always thought his movies were extremely heavy-handed and left little room to breathe, and this was refreshingly different. One thing I didn't like was the narration bookending the movie - it was jarring and bizarre to me.

also this movie is so ... fun? really lighthearted and often hilarious

a butthole

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No, you're in the right place.

Nic Cage or Tom Cruise

This would be a wacky alternative cast for this movie.

Josh's posts above are more or less in line with my own reaction. Setting the last half-hour to one side, the rest is not bad and not silly, and I could pick out a few scenes I liked. To go along with that, many other scenes that are weirdly flat. The biggest surprise for me--should have been a lay-up--was how lazy the soundtrack is.

"Patiently meandering"--if you were to take a half-full view toward it, that's exactly what I meant by weirdly flat. It'll just depend how you feel about the pacing.

lol sorta disappointed to find out the wikipedia plot spoilers upthread were false

Wait what were the false spoilers? The ones I read match the updated synopsis iirc

nvm, tracked them down

Loved it

I liked a lot of scenes but this ended up being one of QT's worst IMO.

Qualified rave from David Edelstein:

http://www.vulture.com/2019/07/once-upon-a-time-in-hollywood-review-quentin-tarantino.html

"world-building" needs to go to hell

also what a steaming pile of hypocritical crap Wolf of Wall St was

He'll have Susan Atkins and Leslie Van Houten debating whether Green Acres or The Beverly Hillbillies is better.

― clemenza, Wednesday, July 12, 2017 9:16 AM (two years ago)

I think I was actually pretty close here when Tex Watson and Patricia Krenwinkel start comparing notes on Dalton.

I thought this review made a good point comparing this film to how Westerns treat history.

Good review. One line I'd take issue with: "Most of all, Once Upon a Time...in Hollywood is the first Tarantino film to feel like the product of an older director." I think that was a very big part of why Jackie Brown is so great--followed, unfortunately, by a retreat back into the safety of juvenalia. (Which I realize is also central to Tarantino at his best.)

I won't retract my misgivings stated above, but I should say how much I liked Brad Pitt, some combination of the character and the performance. He's especially great in the Spahn Ranch scene--so much so that I won't dwell too much on the fact that, in getting the Mansonite to fix his flat, he blithely hands over a rather lethal weapon. You just kind of go with that, I know.

liked a lot of this but the ending was dumb as hell.

i'll never get the ilx hate for Django. that's prob my favorite of his since JB. or at least tied w IB for that honor.

HAteful 8 is hot garbage tho

the ending was disappointing esp for the jarring return to Inglorious ultraviolence, the core parts of what I liked were the bittersweet bromance, Pitt's easy way, Leo struggling to be a good actually, him and the girl talking books, Tate watching herself at the movies, etc

Might have made a better two-parter, like Kill Bill.

Kill Bill would've been a better one parter

If this were my company, think I'd be keeping some extra stock on hand.

https://res.cloudinary.com/teepublic/image/private/s--CfMatkE_--/t_Resized%20Artwork/c_crop,x_10,y_10/c_fit,w_423/c_crop,g_north_west,h_626,w_470,x_-23,y_-33/g_north_west,u_upload:v1462829024:production:blanks:a59x1cgomgu5lprfjlmi,x_-418,y_-358/b_rgb:eeeeee/c_limit,f_jpg,h_630,q_90,w_630/v1556063801/production/designs/4703264_0.jpg

Pitt's wardrobe throughout is amazing

Second Tarantino stunt person movie. Wonder what he thinks of The Stunt Man. My guess? A fan.

Pitt's most amiable performance. Clemenza is otm about the ranch sequence: he can finally move in character.

the shots of Tex riding the horse back to the ranch were pretty exhilarating. the entire ranch sequence is probably my favorite of the film and Bruce Dern was great.

really liked Bonnie the dog

I wish Pitt and Scrunchy Face had more sides that the dialogue would reveal.

One thing I wondered about--that I really could not formulate an answer for; I could see one extreme or the other--is how Sharon Tate's surviving family members would feel about this. I know they've been dutifully going to parole hearings for 50 years, and that they put out a book on Tate a few years ago.

I just read a small item in the paper that Tate's sister 1) really likes Margot Robbie's performance, and 2) was appreciative that Tarantino sought her out to talk about her sister (a first, she said).

I'm a little surprised (glad, but surprised) because, to me, the violence at the end, no matter in what context, would be another reminder.

yeah she was originally very against the movie and then after she met with him she changed her mind (presumably when she learned how he treats Tate's fate); she also gave him feedback on the script and loaned out her jewelry to Robbie.

One thing that puzzles me--and I can see where this would really upset people--is the way Tarantino basically stays clear of Manson himself. The normal explanation would be that he wants him to be an unseen, sinister presence, but in the one scene where he does get him in there, Manson is anything but. If the whole driving force of the film (this seems obvious) is that Tarantino hates how the murders put an end to a world, imagined or otherwise, that he loved, and that his rewrite is a form of revenge, it seems really strange that he essentially lets the guy most responsible for it all off the hook.

having not seen it yet, maybe reducing him to an afterthought is the ultimate revenge?

Given how, well, to repeat the word, amiable the film is, the garishness of the third act violence struck me as incongruous.

I don't think understatement is one of Tarantino's strengths.

It is, as his best films demonstrate.

I think reducing Manson to an afterthought is a solid move, and tbh I think if anything this alternate universe version of what happened doesn’t so much avoid the truth but makes it more tragic in an oblique way. idk maybe similar to the unexpected emotions my wife had while watching Inglourious Basterds at the end.

I might agree that his best film, Jackie Brown, demonstrates a capacity for understatement, but I have failed to see it in Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, Kill Bill, or Inglourious Basterds - at which point I gave up on him.

Leaving out Manson is exactly the same as leaving out what’s in the briefcase in Pulp Fiction.

Except for the part where the entire audience has a pretty good idea of what's in Manson.

The only thing is, if you leave Manson out of the equation, the villains then become Watson and the teenage girls he recruited. And that's where I think he's going to run into some sharp condemnation. I haven't seen Mary Harron's Manson film yet, but my sense is that her approach is the exact opposite, an attempt to restore some humanity (if that's the right word--they did murder) to Van Houten and Atkins and Krenwinkel, or at least some kind of context.

There's even that weird thing where Watson turns to the other two and says "Either Charlie told me to do this, or else I'm making it all up--who do believe?" It's almost an invitation to believe that Manson wasn't in fact behind everything.

QT knocked it out of the fucking park

The ending was an almost out of body experience for me and my family, it's by some distance the best scene in the movie. If movies are dreams reconstructed, this is the sweetest justice ever served.

Haven't read any reviews yet but really looking forward to seeing ppl twist themselves into knots moaning about QT "brutalizing women" who happen to be MASS FUCKING MURDERERS. They deserved it and I had a blast watching those three scum fucks die!

Don't care that he repeated the IB rewriting history bit. And the Manson murders are 50 years old, I don't think it's insensitive at all, especially knowing he got the approval of some of the family

People complaining about foot shots? Come on... he likes feet, so what...

He refrained from using his favorite word for the first time ever I think

Best movie of the year besides The Image Book

Thank you QT

They deserved it and I had a blast watching those three scum fucks die!