Trump, September 2017: Walmart Knockoff Hats and Other Indignities

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Good mourning!

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 September 2017 12:40 (eight years ago)

medicare for all, free public college tuition, kennedy-era tax rates

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 1 September 2017 13:02 (eight years ago)

enjoy the next round of breathless speculation everyone

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 1 September 2017 13:04 (eight years ago)

we lived through august! *group hug*

scott seward, Friday, 1 September 2017 14:53 (eight years ago)

Time seemed to be flying by in the days BT (Before Trump), but scanning through a month's worth of activity, shit from 30 days ago feels like it happened sometime in 1975.

Pascal's Penisés (Old Lunch), Friday, 1 September 2017 15:08 (eight years ago)

i just want one penis helicopter to interrupt a trump press conference. i don't ask for much

Karl Malone, Friday, 1 September 2017 15:15 (eight years ago)

after the destruction of an entire city those nazi riots do seem like ages ago.

scott seward, Friday, 1 September 2017 15:16 (eight years ago)

i just want one penis helicopter to interrupt a trump press conference. i don't ask for much

yeah, this is the type of russian hacking i can support 100%

pizzarro gizzarda (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 1 September 2017 15:17 (eight years ago)

covfefe was 40 years ago

frogbs, Friday, 1 September 2017 15:23 (eight years ago)

people are STILL making covfefe jokes out there in the world
i was buying some groceries last week and out of the murmur of the shoppers and checkout aisles i heard "cov-fay-fay!!" out of nowhere and some laughing

Karl Malone, Friday, 1 September 2017 15:24 (eight years ago)

so McCain did some editorializin'

Our entire system of government — with its checks and balances, its bicameral Congress, its protections of the rights of the minority — was designed for compromise. It seldom works smoothly or speedily. It was never expected to.

It requires pragmatic problem-solving from even the most passionate partisans. It relies on compromise between opposing sides to protect the interests we share. We can fight like hell for our ideas to prevail. But we have to respect each other or at least respect the fact that we need each other.

That has never been truer than today, when Congress must govern with a president who has no experience of public office, is often poorly informed and can be impulsive in his speech and conduct.

We must respect his authority and constitutional responsibilities. We must, where we can, cooperate with him. But we are not his subordinates. We don’t answer to him. We answer to the American people....

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/john-mccain-its-time-congress-returns-to-regular-order/2017/08/31/f62a3e0c-8cfb-11e7-8df5-c2e5cf46c1e2_story.html

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 1 September 2017 15:30 (eight years ago)

barf

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 1 September 2017 15:31 (eight years ago)

classic 'writes that, supports basically everything he does anyway' situation

global tetrahedron, Friday, 1 September 2017 15:32 (eight years ago)

I mean, McCain did vote against Trump's wishes on one occasion which actually did matter. I think that counts for something, you don't have to.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 1 September 2017 15:44 (eight years ago)

I won't lie, every time I click on this thread I hope he's just dropped dead or something

I am a paying customer, who is very cordial and pleasant to talk to (stevie), Friday, 1 September 2017 15:46 (eight years ago)

Meanwhile, a restaurant review

https://amp.ft.com/content/540354a4-8e4c-11e7-a352-e46f43c5825d

Over lunch, the 49-year-old hurtles his way to the end of each sentence without pause, using “f**k” the way millennials use “like”: constantly. He tells me he “almost certainly” has attention-deficit disorder. His choice of venue is as brazen as his avowals that he is blameless. We are plum in the centre of Mirabelle, just a block from the White House, a restaurant so luxurious they asked if it was a special occasion when I made the booking. The room of golden latticeworks and mirrors is packed with Washington power diners. It only opened in the spring, but Akhmetshin has already been “20 or 30 times”. Greeted warmly by staff, he embarks on a long meditation on the wonders of Islamic ornament and its deliberate imperfection, triggered by the interior design. “Only Allah is perfect,” he concludes. Then he orders us both pink champagne.

“Can I have mine maybe in a burgundy glass?” he asks the wine director, turning the exotic request into a friendly command. Then he turns to me conspiratorially and adds: “You know there are champagnes which you decant!”

Akhmetshin goes for Riesling with his rabbit pâté starter. Feeling chancey, I plump for Atlantic fluke marinated with pastis, with fennel purée, smoked trout roe and nasturtium to start; to follow I decide I’d better join Akhmetshin in the steak, which seems the most robust option to sustain what I gather will be a breakneck pace. White wine pairings duly arrive.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 September 2017 15:46 (eight years ago)

“It’s like someone steals your toothpaste from you because you couldn’t hide it well enough — I think there’s something honest about that.” He goes on to expound a curious theory of “personal responsibility” — the value he says he likes best about America.

It is 6.20pm. We’ve been at it for nearly five hours but now his longest lunch ever comes to an abrupt halt. Akhmetshin has to cook supper for his daughter. “I should have ordered more alcohol,” he reflects.

He pedals off astride his orange bicycle.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 September 2017 15:47 (eight years ago)

“It’s like someone steals your toothpaste from you because you couldn’t hide it well enough — I think there’s something honest about that.”

is it 'things a psychopath would say?'

a hulking and impenetrable dump (Noodle Vague), Friday, 1 September 2017 15:50 (eight years ago)

real life is getting even weirder

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Friday, 1 September 2017 15:52 (eight years ago)

Akhmetshin goes for Riesling with his rabbit pâté starter.

Nabokov story

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 September 2017 15:54 (eight years ago)

Scans like Henry Higgins elocution lessons.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 1 September 2017 16:06 (eight years ago)

Him: Now repeat after me: "Akhmetshin goes for Riesling with his rabbit pâté starter."
Her: gurgle gamer gurgle gobble!
Him: No! Again!

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 1 September 2017 16:06 (eight years ago)

"He wants the opportunity to personally tell people that we want to be helpful." https://t.co/t5HxFmMCXc

— Annie Karni (@anniekarni) September 1, 2017

j., Friday, 1 September 2017 16:09 (eight years ago)

White wine paired with steak, oh dear.

Dan Worsley, Friday, 1 September 2017 16:15 (eight years ago)

after the destruction of an entire city those nazi riots do seem like ages ago.

I haven't watched late-night shows in awhile, but I caught a couple Seth reruns this week--one of 'em was after the 'Fire & Fury', and last night's was from May, after the 'Two Scoops' incident. Both felt like transmissions from separate worlds.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 1 September 2017 16:16 (eight years ago)

The transparent dishonesty of his "praise" for certain people continues to be hilarious:

General John Kelly is doing a great job as Chief of Staff. I could not be happier or more impressed - and this Administration continues to..

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 1, 2017

...get things done at a record clip. Many big decisions to be made over the coming days and weeks. AMERICA FIRST!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 1, 2017

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 1 September 2017 16:19 (eight years ago)

Damn:

A House Republican said Thursday he will launch an effort to force a vote on his bipartisan legislation shielding young immigrants who came to the U.S. illegally as children from deportation.

Rep. Mike Coffman (R-Colo.) announced he will file a discharge petition next week when the chamber returns to session. The move is all the more striking given that discharge petitions are usually a tool used by the House minority party.

Coffman’s announcement came amid multiple reports on Thursday that President Trump is expected to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program as soon as Friday. Nearly 800,000 people who came to the U.S. illegally as children have been granted work permits and deferred deportation under the program created under President Obama in 2012.

“#DACA participants grew up here, went to school here, and should be allowed to stay here. The time has come to take action,” Coffman wrote on Twitter.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/348771-gop-lawmaker-wants-to-force-vote-on-bill-protecting-daca-recipients

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 September 2017 16:21 (eight years ago)

America Fist!
https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/t/fist-us-flag-8847194.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 1 September 2017 16:22 (eight years ago)

You want a waste of time congress? Needing to repeatedly enact legislation that prevents the president from undoing legislation already in place.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 1 September 2017 16:23 (eight years ago)

well, DACA was an executive order.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 September 2017 16:24 (eight years ago)

and here comes the speaker:

House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said Friday he doesn't think President Trump should cancel the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program.

"I actually don't think he should do that, and I believe that this is something Congress has to fix," Ryan told WCLO Janesville.

Ryan added that he doesn't believe President Obama had the legal authority to institute DACA, but it's up to Congress to fix the situation.

"President Obama did not have the legislative authority to do what he did," said Ryan. "You can't, as an executive, write law out of thin air."

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 September 2017 16:26 (eight years ago)

These numbers... devastating. And, in case I didn't mention it, ts a Fox News poll. pic.twitter.com/uFKDZimvjA

— Charlie Sykes (@SykesCharlie) September 1, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 September 2017 16:32 (eight years ago)

That Charles Pierce piece yesterday about the Mueller investigation--the one that starts "It's on"--is that as encouraging as it sounds? He doesn't seem like someone to breathlessly project when there's nothing there.

clemenza, Friday, 1 September 2017 16:33 (eight years ago)

I hope I hope I hope I hope he was watching when that came on. xp

May contain peanuts, tree nuts, soy, wheat, pits or pit fragments. (WilliamC), Friday, 1 September 2017 16:33 (eight years ago)

"Congress must govern with a president who has no experience of public office, is often poorly informed and can be impulsive in his speech and conduct.

We must respect his authority and constitutional responsibilities. We must, where we can, cooperate with him. But we are not his subordinates. We don’t answer to him. We answer to the American people...."

impossible to "cooperate" with, utterly incapable of discharging the duties of the position he was elected to. the facts will wait for you to be willing to acknowledge them, sen. mccain.

The Saga of Rodney Stooksbury (rushomancy), Friday, 1 September 2017 16:36 (eight years ago)

How could anyone possibly apply gradations to "knowledgeable," "honest," "steady," "compassionate," and "moral"?

clemenza, Friday, 1 September 2017 16:37 (eight years ago)

lies to my enemies but not to me e.g.

j., Friday, 1 September 2017 16:39 (eight years ago)

That Charles Pierce piece yesterday about the Mueller investigation--the one that starts "It's on"--is that as encouraging as it sounds? He doesn't seem like someone to breathlessly project when there's nothing there.

It's reasonable tea leaf reading at this point, yes.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 September 2017 16:49 (eight years ago)

WASHINGTON — The special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, has obtained a letter that President Trump and a top political aide drafted in the days before Mr. Trump fired the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, which explains the president’s rationale for why he planned to dismiss the director.

The May letter had been met with opposition from Donald F. McGahn II, the White House counsel, who believed that some of its contents were problematic, according to interviews with a dozen administration officials and others briefed on the matter.

Karl Malone, Friday, 1 September 2017 17:12 (eight years ago)

can someone help me understand what is going on with this Antifa thing? is this a real group or just yet another dumb attempt by the right-wing to deflect attention away from the terrible people on their side?

frogbs, Friday, 1 September 2017 17:17 (eight years ago)

https://www.vice.com/en_nz/article/qvvxyd/a-historian-of-antifa-explains-americas-punchiest-leftist-movement

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, 1 September 2017 17:19 (eight years ago)

Deflection. They're both bad! Both sides do it! If they are good people why do they wear black?! WHY!?!?!?!

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 1 September 2017 17:19 (eight years ago)

I thought this was good, h/t kingfish for posting:

https://psmag.com/social-justice/understanding-antifa

sleeve, Friday, 1 September 2017 17:19 (eight years ago)

Man, I can only imagine the damage that will come of a letter drafted by Miller and Trump with no oversight.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 1 September 2017 17:23 (eight years ago)

re: "Its On"

All the leaks indicate Mueller is hard charging at 2 things: the obstruction angle and trying to destroy Manafort

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 1 September 2017 17:23 (eight years ago)

Perhaps money laundering, too. Or money/Manafort in an effort to get to Trump.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 1 September 2017 17:27 (eight years ago)

i know i've been spoiled by months of document leaks because i want to read the miller/trump letter NOW, and i'm disappointed that it'll have to wait until...whatever happens months/years from now with mueller

Karl Malone, Friday, 1 September 2017 17:27 (eight years ago)

How could anyone possibly apply gradations to "knowledgeable," "honest," "steady," "compassionate," and "moral"?

I wasn't clear enough here--what I meant was, as applied to Trump. Who could sort them out? "I think he's a little more honest than he is steady, but a little more steady than compassionate." None of the terms apply.

clemenza, Friday, 1 September 2017 17:28 (eight years ago)

Days/minutes/seconds.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 1 September 2017 17:28 (eight years ago)

I mean the way to think about all this is this -- the appointment of Mueller and the creation of his team was not, in and of itself, the key step, though it was necessary. The key step is the increasing coordination and, to a degree, centralization we're now seeing happen across a wide variety of investigations. The consequences of Trump's impulsive mid-May move keep playing out as a result; Mueller didn't have to start from scratch, he has a wide range of professional connections and resources to draw upon and, in a series of sublime gifts from the gods, Trump himself keeps telegraphing concerns or doing things that add to the impression that at the very least he really does have something to hide, no matter what the actual reasons are. That latter fact has to some degree now tamped down, likely due to a combination of Kelly's cleanup and Trump's current legal folks avoiding Kasowitz's clownishness and sticking to various 'no-comment' statements or pat phrases about working with Mueller's team well on a professional level, but the damage is done; combined with Trump's obvious unpopularity, and little wonder it's all chugging along like this.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 September 2017 17:34 (eight years ago)

Having his legal team not being run by a drunk idiot like Kasowitz is also helpful

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 1 September 2017 17:36 (eight years ago)

Minor details.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 September 2017 17:38 (eight years ago)

It's occurring to me with increasing frequency that, in the course of a life filled to overflowing with acts of stupidity, running for president might wind up being the stupidest thing Trump ever did. Instead of (relatively speaking) continuing to fly under the radar as a crooked turd of a private citizen, he just painted a big ol' target on himself. Which he thankfully feels the need to touch up on a daily basis.

Pascal's Penisés (Old Lunch), Friday, 1 September 2017 17:50 (eight years ago)

Yeah I was thinking the same last night.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 1 September 2017 17:56 (eight years ago)

THREAD: What does the news that Mueller has a draft of a Trump letter explaining why he wanted to fire Comey mean for the obstruction case?

— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) September 1, 2017

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 1 September 2017 17:58 (eight years ago)

61 percent disapproval on Gallup, new low

Neanderthal, Friday, 1 September 2017 18:05 (eight years ago)

Time for Trump to repost his smug golf clap photo.

(Again, it must be said, one of his most profoundly pathetic moments was celebrating a 50% approval rating in a poll that's strongly skewed in his favor.)

Pascal's Penisés (Old Lunch), Friday, 1 September 2017 18:07 (eight years ago)

Well he's -14% net on that one now lol

Neanderthal, Friday, 1 September 2017 18:09 (eight years ago)

Trump caves on the wall...again.

The White House has signaled to congressional Republicans that it will not shut down the government in October if money isn’t appropriated to build a wall along the U.S.-Mexico border, potentially clearing a path for lawmakers to reach a short-term budget deal.

Congress has only appropriated money to fund government operations through the end of September, and President Trump has threatened to shut down the government if lawmakers don’t include $1.6 billion in new funding so that 74 new miles of wall and secondary fencing can be added to the border.

“Build that wall,” Trump said at the Aug. 22 rally in Phoenix. “Now the obstructionist Democrats would like us not to do it. But believe me, if we have to close down our government, we're building that wall.”

But two days later, White House officials quietly notified Congress that the $1.6 billion would not need to be in a “continuing resolution” that was meant to fund government operations from October until sometime in early December, a senior GOP congressional aide said.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 1 September 2017 19:21 (eight years ago)

hmm, i figured he'd cave on it a little closer to the budget negotiations, but fine. that means that trump can direct his idiot legion's rage toward congressional republicans by blaming them for not allocating money for his precious wall

Karl Malone, Friday, 1 September 2017 19:26 (eight years ago)

XP Now if only a wall would cave in on...

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 1 September 2017 19:30 (eight years ago)

best case scenario for 9/11/17 = trump pulls a hillary but actually dies

flappy bird, Friday, 1 September 2017 19:30 (eight years ago)

KInd of dumbfounded that he'd still be talking about a wall after Houston. Almost as much as turning down the offer of Mexican help.
But there you go it's not like you can have any expectations of cognition from the guy.

Stevolende, Friday, 1 September 2017 19:38 (eight years ago)

Breaking the potential candidates into formal tiers at this point would be silly. But here are groupings that emerged with our conversations with veterans of past Democratic presidential campaigns, as well as younger operatives likely to be involved in the 2020 campaign:

Watched most closely: Sen. Elizabeth Warren (Mass.), Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vt.), Sen. Cory Booker (N.J.), Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (N.Y.), Sen. Kamala Harris (Calif.), New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo.

The classics: Joe Biden, John Kerry, Al Gore, former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley.

Outsiders: New Orleans Mayor Mitch Landrieu, Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti, Washington Gov. Jay Inslee, Colorado Gov. Hickenlooper

Has begun seeking staff: Montana Gov. Steve Bullock, Sen. Chris Murphy (Conn.), Rep. Tim Ryan (Ohio).

Many in Obamaworld like: former Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick, Rep. Seth Moulton (Mass.), former Missouri SecState Jason Kander.

Many in Clintonworld like: Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe, former Ag Secretary and Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack, former HUD Secretary Julian Castro.

Possible if wins reelection: Sen. Sherrod Brown (Ohio).

Wants to be mentioned: Sen. Amy Klobuchar (Minn.).

Wild cards: Sen. Al Franken (Minn.), Rhode Island Gov. Gina Raimondo, New York Mayor Bill de Blasio, Rep. John Delaney (Md.).

Non-politicians: Facebook COO Sheryl Sandberg, Mark Cuban, The Rock, Starbucks Executive Chairman Howard Schultz, Disney CEO Bob Iger, Oprah, George Clooney.

Someone Trump would have no idea what to do with, and who'd win women with authenticity and Southern charm: Sally Yates, the acting attorney general fired by Trump.

https://www.axios.com/axios-am-2480203706.html

Karl Malone, Friday, 1 September 2017 19:42 (eight years ago)

president-elect zuckerberg conspicuously absent

Karl Malone, Friday, 1 September 2017 19:44 (eight years ago)

he's busy in tulsa, at a laundrette, learning about how people live now

j., Friday, 1 September 2017 19:46 (eight years ago)

sad no one's mentioning Pete Buttigieg

sean gramophone, Friday, 1 September 2017 19:47 (eight years ago)

Draft Tammy Duckworth

.oO (silby), Friday, 1 September 2017 19:55 (eight years ago)

When Poppy Bush said every single day during his campaign "Read my lips; no new taxes", he was excoriated mercilessly by his supporters when he later signed a bill that included new taxes. It should be said as often as possible that Trump promised multiple times a day that Mexico would pay for the wall, so if Congress doesn't pay for it, that is only because they know Mexico must do it, so why waste US taxpayer dollars on it?

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 1 September 2017 20:13 (eight years ago)

because the concept of hypocrisy died in 2016

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 1 September 2017 20:15 (eight years ago)

The difference is that Poppy never had a base of support -- he was perpetually mistrusted.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 September 2017 20:15 (eight years ago)

same reason Obama got slammed for "you can keep your doctor"? Trump's lies and scandals at this point are like this -

http://www.tgaw.com/images/SpeakEasy/ThreeStooges.JPG

frogbs, Friday, 1 September 2017 20:16 (eight years ago)

Has Trump had one of these "wait and see ... " moments yet where in the end he made the better decision rather than the most disruptive and upsetting one?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 1 September 2017 20:55 (eight years ago)

Huh, TN's AG pulled out of its "DREAMERS" suit. Maybe others will follow and nullify this bullshit.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 1 September 2017 20:57 (eight years ago)

I am starting to see reports from the misinformed press and the fake news on how I am in violation of breaking campaign law.

#1 I have still not officially announced my candidacy.

#2 See #1 and go fuck yourselves.

Everyone else, Have a great Labor Day (I will be spending mine WORKING in one of the greatest cities in America - Grand Rapids, Michigan!!)

Rock on.
Kid Rock

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 1 September 2017 21:39 (eight years ago)

@ frogbs - antifa is a real thing but probably comprise idk two hundred people in the united states, rounding up. the RW infosphere interpretation is that they are a massive armed front basically interchangeable with black-bloc anarchists and the dangerous terrorist cell known as black lives matter. from what I can tell on comments threads and batshit cartoons they are also communists. must be tough for them juggling all these ideologies but hey.

also, it seems, all liberals of whatever stripes spend a lot of time actively agreeing with all these groups and movements and supporting everything they do. which is prob the most absurd thing to me, as if more than .001% of the US population had ever heard the word "antifa" before last month. conservative media is just so hungry for a "oh yeah well why won't LIBERALS condemn ANTIFA, see trump was right to talk about BOTH SIDES" etc.

Doctor Casino, Friday, 1 September 2017 21:47 (eight years ago)

the RW infosphere interpretation is that they are a massive armed front basically interchangeable with black-bloc anarchists and the dangerous terrorist cell known as black lives matter.

don't forget they're also secretly funded by george soros.

Karl Malone, Friday, 1 September 2017 21:54 (eight years ago)

yeah but Andrew Sullivan cares that they're throwing smoke bombs and shit

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 September 2017 21:57 (eight years ago)

yeah it's been strange. I'm used to the right-wing deflecting and "oh why won't you talk about the REAL story" (Benghazi) every time a Trump controversy comes up but this is the first time I've seen the left go along with it, "ahh yeah these *squints* Anteefa are also very bad".

frogbs, Friday, 1 September 2017 21:59 (eight years ago)

wait isn't Gavin Newsom trying to run?

flappy bird, Friday, 1 September 2017 22:01 (eight years ago)

Trump's main thug, Keith Schiller, is leaving the White House.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 1 September 2017 22:11 (eight years ago)

Newsom wants to be CA gov first

Οὖτις, Friday, 1 September 2017 22:34 (eight years ago)

That Kid Rock thing points to the inevitability of someone using "Fuck all y'all" as a campaign slogan

Max-Headroom-drops-a-deuce-while-shredding (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 1 September 2017 22:37 (eight years ago)

Hell yeah

flappy bird, Friday, 1 September 2017 22:41 (eight years ago)

Rock 2018: [Radio Edit]

maura, Friday, 1 September 2017 22:42 (eight years ago)

ehhh the broad Dem coalition has always been pretty cool with throwing more aggressive activists, protesters that cross over into property destruction of whatever kind, or really radicals of whatever sort, under the bus. people who share Maddow news constantly are probably the most eager to proclaim "but these violent black-clad thugs, i condemn them totally" which may be a defensible position but it's not new imho. shades really quickly into "and it's fine if the cops mistreat them and throw away the key" cause a lot of the same cats are eager to make clear that they don't live up to the caricature version drawn by the right. turn back the clock to seattle '99, or white liberals struggling to make sense of the black panthers, etc. etc.

Doctor Casino, Friday, 1 September 2017 22:45 (eight years ago)

Aaaaand the walkback begins. Sarah Huckabee Sanders could not confirm whether Trump's planned donation of $1 million to Harvey victims was going to come from his personal money or from the Trump foundation.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 1 September 2017 23:04 (eight years ago)

every day, multiple times a day, there is a new illustration of what a piece of shit he is

Max-Headroom-drops-a-deuce-while-shredding (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 1 September 2017 23:09 (eight years ago)

Serious question: How many (and which) senior Trump administration officials use the word "scrivener"? https://t.co/iyjw80yiVF pic.twitter.com/NoLKdUVjxn

— Betsy Woodruff (@woodruffbets) September 1, 2017

j., Saturday, 2 September 2017 00:34 (eight years ago)

ILX's new bff had a good explainer for use of that term - its intentional

The person quoted in that passage is minimizing Miller's role--suggesting he was like a transcriber or a secretary, exercising no judgment. https://t.co/P80fCAEge1

— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) September 2, 2017

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Saturday, 2 September 2017 00:47 (eight years ago)

Kelly and Trump not BFFs anymore! Sad!

President Trump was in an especially ornery mood after staff members gently suggested he refrain from injecting politics into day-to-day issues of governing after last month’s raucous rally in Arizona, and he responded by lashing out at the most senior aide in his presence.

It happened to be his new chief of staff, John F. Kelly.

Mr. Kelly, the former Marine general brought in five weeks ago as the successor to Reince Priebus, reacted calmly, but he later told other White House staff members that he had never been spoken to like that during 35 years of serving his country. In the future, he said, he would not abide such treatment, according to three people familiar with the exchange.

...

Like every other new sheriff in town Mr. Trump has hired to turn things around at the White House or in his presidential campaign, Mr. Kelly has gradually diminished in his appeal to his restless boss. What is different this time is that Mr. Trump, mired in self-destructive controversies and record-low approval ratings, needs Mr. Kelly more than Mr. Kelly needs him.

...

For the seven months of the Trump administration, the favorite parlor game in the West Wing has been guessing how long imperiled aides like Mr. Priebus would hang on before getting fired. But these days it is Mr. Kelly’s state of mind, not Mr. Trump’s, that concerns the beleaguered aides buoyed by the new chief’s imposition of structure and clear lines of authority.

The question now is how long Mr. Kelly will stay, with estimates ranging from a month to a year at the most. White House officials say that Mr. Kelly has given no indication he intends to leave anytime soon. He has thrown himself into long-term planning of the administration’s tax reform push, the president’s Asia trip in November and scheduling for the next several months, they said. Mr. Kelly declined through a White House spokeswoman to comment for this article.

...

Mr. Kelly cannot stop Mr. Trump from binge-watching Fox News, which aides describe as the president’s primary source of information gathering. But Mr. Trump does not have a web browser on his phone, and does not use a laptop, so he was dependent on aides like Stephen K. Bannon, his former chief strategist, to hand-deliver printouts of articles from conservative media outlets.

Now Mr. Kelly has thinned out his package of printouts so much that Mr. Trump plaintively asked a friend recently where The Daily Caller and Breitbart were.

grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 2 September 2017 01:23 (eight years ago)

"...and where the hell is my Daily Stormer!?!?"

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 2 September 2017 01:47 (eight years ago)

lol "a friend"

El Tomboto, Saturday, 2 September 2017 01:55 (eight years ago)

God, that's all so, so pathetic

Karl Malone, Saturday, 2 September 2017 02:06 (eight years ago)

Mr. Kelly, the former Marine general brought in five weeks ago as the successor to Reince Priebus, reacted calmly, but he later told other White House staff members that he had never been spoken to like that during 35 years of serving his country. In the future, he said, he would not abide such treatment, according to three people familiar with the exchange.

First of all I would love to know how a Marine who enlisted in 1970 actually phrased the sentiments described above, but I can probably guess at some of the terminology.

Second, that he put those rhymes down in front of at least three people - and you know he knows some if not all of those press sources are press sources - is extremely telling.

El Tomboto, Saturday, 2 September 2017 02:26 (eight years ago)

'why i never!'

j., Saturday, 2 September 2017 02:41 (eight years ago)

/Jimmy Stewart voice/

"Why by gosh in all my 35 years of service to this great country I can't recall a single time any man, or woman, or even a dog ever gave me so much guff. I don't think I could abide being spoken to like that again, not even by the President. No sir, I don't think I could abide it, not at all. Now I'm afraid you'll have to excuse me; I don't like to be emotional in front of people who aren't my wife."

El Tomboto, Saturday, 2 September 2017 02:46 (eight years ago)

I would love to know how a Marine who enlisted in 1970 actually phrased the sentiments described above

lololol

mookieproof, Saturday, 2 September 2017 03:00 (eight years ago)

america is a comedy

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/black-smoke-chimney-russian-consulate-san-francisco/

nomar, Saturday, 2 September 2017 03:57 (eight years ago)

Schiller going seems pretty damn notable.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 2 September 2017 04:03 (eight years ago)

it just further proves that Trump has nobody loyal to him besides the people who imagine they're in his will; Schiller was in it for the money and the power, he wasn't getting enough of either, so maybe he'll go die in a cornfield, nobody fucking cares. Omarosa will quit sometime in November, I figure.

El Tomboto, Saturday, 2 September 2017 04:20 (eight years ago)

Trump doesn't have a web browser on his phone? I thought that was where he used Twitter from.
Don't you need the web to do that?

Stevolende, Saturday, 2 September 2017 07:03 (eight years ago)

There's an App for that!

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 2 September 2017 07:21 (eight years ago)

america is a comedy

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/black-smoke-chimney-russian-consulate-san-francisco/

― nomar, Saturday, 2 September 2017 1:57 PM (three hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

New pope?

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 2 September 2017 07:26 (eight years ago)

I thought new phones pretty much automatically came with internet access for the last 5 or 10 years.
Does having a Twitter App but no Internet Browser reflect an absolute lack of curiosity about the world while maintaining a need to spout off about it?
I still have a non Smart phone so am not familiar with Apps. So am used to all that web related stuff being accessed through internet option. So Facebook, Twitter etc and tv or whatever would be through a browser. So surprised that what to me are sub categories bypass the umbrella category.

Stevolende, Saturday, 2 September 2017 08:43 (eight years ago)

We can tell u don't zing, so there r things we can't share sorry

felix! phelix! ghelix! (Hunt3r), Saturday, 2 September 2017 10:15 (eight years ago)

I could be wrong but is this the first time one of his key cronies has basically called him out on his fucking up?

https://apnews.com/09374b11b8494515b50de5a5538014f6

“He’s in a weak position,” said Christopher Ruddy, the CEO of Newsmax and a longtime Trump friend. “A lot of the Republican establishment has not been supportive, his poll numbers are down and he has spent most of his early presidency appealing to his base while most presidents would be seeking more consensus.”

Obviously he could be harsher but he is pretty much pointing out the obvious.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 2 September 2017 15:57 (eight years ago)

A later quote by Ruddy is even more telling to my mind. I honestly wouldn't have expected the guy behind Newsmax to be this open about the limits of what he's helped push, though at the same time how conveeeenient that he can blame someone who is once again an open competitor:

“Steve Bannon got the president and a lot of people believing they had to fulfill a checklist number of promises I don’t believe his supporters require him to do that,” Ruddy said. He added that as long as Trump appeals only to that group of voters, he will be focused only on “a fraction of conservatives, a minority viewpoint.”

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 2 September 2017 16:04 (eight years ago)

I thought new phones pretty much automatically came with internet access for the last 5 or 10 years.

They probably gave him one of those w/ giant buttons for grandparents who don't want the internets.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 2 September 2017 16:15 (eight years ago)

'i don't wanna accidentally buy something'

j., Saturday, 2 September 2017 16:20 (eight years ago)

well yes

http://fortune.com/2016/06/10/president-obamas-new-smartphone-is-more-like-a-toddler-phone/

El Tomboto, Saturday, 2 September 2017 16:28 (eight years ago)

So I guess he was a jackass feeding people at the shelter today?

El Tomboto, Sunday, 3 September 2017 00:55 (eight years ago)

everyone was having such a good time

mookieproof, Sunday, 3 September 2017 01:33 (eight years ago)

I saw a photo of him kissing a little black girl, and it looked like he was a heartbeat away from swallowing her whole.

Small thing, but I really don't like how he and Melania keep product placing their hats. Astros/Texans/Rockets/Rap-A-Lot swag had to be available.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 3 September 2017 03:58 (eight years ago)

Seeing the President directly serve the people is welcomed and heartening. https://t.co/37akVLy8BH

— Evan McMullin (@Evan_McMullin) September 2, 2017

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIvcoqYWAAAXx9F.jpg

carpet_kaiser, Sunday, 3 September 2017 04:04 (eight years ago)

The look on his face conveys that there are human hearts in those to-go boxes.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 3 September 2017 05:18 (eight years ago)

re: how he uses Twitter:

I dictate my tweets to my executive assistant and she posts them. "Time is money"---The Art of the Deal.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 23, 2011

louie mensch (milo z), Sunday, 3 September 2017 05:41 (eight years ago)

and here i thought bob marley came up with that one

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 3 September 2017 05:47 (eight years ago)

So he has somebody else up with him in the middle of the night making non grammatical nonsense posts. Covfefe and long interval between posts were dictated? If that's true isn't it worse.
He's employing an assistant that's also heartless and hasn't been mentioned over the last 7 months? I don't think so, certainly not for all of his Tweets.

Stevolende, Sunday, 3 September 2017 07:33 (eight years ago)

It's John Barron.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 3 September 2017 08:00 (eight years ago)

is she Siri or Cortana?

StanM, Sunday, 3 September 2017 08:18 (eight years ago)

https://i.imgur.com/hYu8WUA.jpg

Wichita prepares for totality (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 3 September 2017 08:24 (eight years ago)

A lot about his daily life has chambers since 2011.

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Sunday, 3 September 2017 08:46 (eight years ago)

Changed, fu autocorrect

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Sunday, 3 September 2017 08:46 (eight years ago)

don't you think that executive assistant would have had a fawning nymag profile by now if she existed

maura, Sunday, 3 September 2017 13:10 (eight years ago)

in the admin context i mean

maura, Sunday, 3 September 2017 13:10 (eight years ago)

He's definitely not dictating the colorful late night tweets. The retweets of neo-nazis, likewise, are his doing. No employee who wants to preserve their job would do that stuff.

Treeship, Sunday, 3 September 2017 13:19 (eight years ago)

Her name is Rhona Graff, apparently

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/rhona-graff-trump-conduit-236484

rock and roll tucci coo (voodoo chili), Sunday, 3 September 2017 13:36 (eight years ago)

re: how he uses Twitter:

Follow
Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
I dictate my tweets to my executive assistant and she posts them. "Time is money"---The Art of the Deal.
10:01 AM - Nov 23, 2011
218 218 Replies 652 652 Retweets 193 193 likes

― louie mensch (milo z), Sunday, September 3, 2017 1:41 AM (eight hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-mAuazb3yoRk/U2Bl6ls1wfI/AAAAAAAADFI/7JO63B_kUf0/s1600/best.jpg

Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Sunday, 3 September 2017 14:26 (eight years ago)

sic otm, he hasn't "dictated" tweets to an assistant in years and he certainly doesn't do it now

El Tomboto, Sunday, 3 September 2017 14:52 (eight years ago)

No, it's absolutely true. I found a picture of his Twitter assistant.

http://rs718.pbsrc.com/albums/ww183/ckdout/Quato.jpg~c200

Moodles, Sunday, 3 September 2017 15:41 (eight years ago)

tbh there is a strong possibility the assistant was always John Barron, and Trump just thinks the idea of him dictating things to subordinates makes him sound important

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 3 September 2017 16:18 (eight years ago)

The United States is considering, in addition to other options, stopping all trade with any country doing business with North Korea.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 3, 2017

Ha ha, yeah, this'll end well.

grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 3 September 2017 16:58 (eight years ago)

They are groping for a non-military way to 'get tough' on NK. Every administration has the same intractable set of NK problems and the same set of unworkable ideas to deal with them. Some day we'll have to give in, normalize relations, and try to reintegrate NK into the world's community of nations.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 3 September 2017 17:10 (eight years ago)

I'm just envisioning Trump saying this to China and having them respond with an invoice for every dime we owe them, due in 30 days.

grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 3 September 2017 17:46 (eight years ago)

he racked up 117 items in a slow week in late August!

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 3 September 2017 18:55 (eight years ago)

knowing trump, he likely got in the 10 items or less lane too

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Sunday, 3 September 2017 19:58 (eight years ago)

Lyle Goldstein has some interesting insights into how to constructively engage with both China and the DPRK, of course I'll have to re-listen to the podcast below to remember what they were. That said they all involved give and take, talks, understanding an opposing point of view and all kinds of things 45 is not to good at.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/sinica-podcast-weekly-discussion-current-affairs-in/id1121407665?mt=2&i=1000390124742

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 3 September 2017 20:20 (eight years ago)

from maura's

In a radio interview, Eric Trump said the negative media coverage was impacting his father: “It important to keep in context. Otherwise, quite frankly, you’d probably end up killing yourself out of depression.”

where's that osama thumbs up gif

j., Sunday, 3 September 2017 20:23 (eight years ago)

i don't know if it's reassuring or not that a 117-item list can almost uniformly strike me as old news. either the constant stream of stories is calling attention away from arguably worse things, or the normalization is not actually as creeping and insidious as it has been made out to be, since the stream of stories is graspable and seems to be cohering into a constant reminder of the nation's grievance against trump (much like he can never forget a slight)

j., Sunday, 3 September 2017 20:27 (eight years ago)

So, his Tweet-assistant typed covfefe?

Mark G, Sunday, 3 September 2017 20:39 (eight years ago)

jamais un coup de dé n'abolira le hazard

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 3 September 2017 20:57 (eight years ago)

Rhona Graff is not a real person, that's the editor of an electronic newspaper in a cyberpunk novel.

Wichita prepares for totality (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 3 September 2017 23:51 (eight years ago)

A Trumpster Darkly

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 4 September 2017 00:48 (eight years ago)

Remarkable, this DACA suicide.

Setting aside its obvious cruel stupidity, it's remarkable how much of it seems to be driven by Trump's own two-minded cowardice and desperation. I read it this way: "I gotta act. But I can't be the bad guy, somehow. I can't do this immediately. Congress, they keep telling me not to do this. Okay, they gotta do this themselves. That's it." It's some convoluted attempt at a deal crossed with self-pity where the only one being hurt is him (according to him). Meantime, the whole caucus in the House and relevant figures in the Senate just took a look at the 6 month deadline, the upcoming primary calendar and more and are cursing his name. Of course, you shouldn't pity them either. And they are tied to that shipwreck leading their party all the more tightly now, and they too will think they're the only ones being hurt.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 September 2017 00:57 (eight years ago)

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/03/trump-dreamers-immigration-daca-immigrants-242301

DACA is dead in 6 months.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 4 September 2017 00:58 (eight years ago)

Ned's read is more potentially positive.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Monday, 4 September 2017 00:59 (eight years ago)

I wouldn't call it positive, merely noting the calculus here.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 September 2017 01:02 (eight years ago)

jeff sessions is also a piece of shit

maura, Monday, 4 September 2017 02:31 (eight years ago)

^have been adding this tacit acknowledgement to all my renditions of The Lord's Prayer lately

Neanderthal, Monday, 4 September 2017 02:48 (eight years ago)

genius, give your opposition something huge to unite around and only six months to plan a response

erry red flag (f. hazel), Monday, 4 September 2017 03:54 (eight years ago)

we do usually need some time to get our shit together

j., Monday, 4 September 2017 04:05 (eight years ago)

It looks like there's going to be huge corporate dissent on the DACA repeal.

https://dreamers.fwd.us/Business-Leaders

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Monday, 4 September 2017 07:52 (eight years ago)

Let's hope he'll be disgraced/dead by then and someone else can begin rebuilding the country

I am a paying customer, who is very cordial and pleasant to talk to (stevie), Monday, 4 September 2017 07:53 (eight years ago)

What would disgrace look like in that scenario tbh

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Monday, 4 September 2017 07:54 (eight years ago)

live boy/dead girl obvs

I am a paying customer, who is very cordial and pleasant to talk to (stevie), Monday, 4 September 2017 07:57 (eight years ago)

i guess i mean universally disgraced beyond a few lingering Nazi sympathisers

I am a paying customer, who is very cordial and pleasant to talk to (stevie), Monday, 4 September 2017 07:58 (eight years ago)

Scratch one up for the classics there ted

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Monday, 4 September 2017 07:58 (eight years ago)

Nixon 74 disgraced

I am a paying customer, who is very cordial and pleasant to talk to (stevie), Monday, 4 September 2017 07:58 (eight years ago)

The uh goalposts for disgrace have either moved or shrunk since 74 is prob the takeaway here

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Monday, 4 September 2017 07:59 (eight years ago)

Best simplify options to 'dead' tbh

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Monday, 4 September 2017 07:59 (eight years ago)

KFC needs to reintroduce the Double Down then, imo

I am a paying customer, who is very cordial and pleasant to talk to (stevie), Monday, 4 September 2017 08:10 (eight years ago)

Well I mean separate to any political argument then obv

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Monday, 4 September 2017 08:25 (eight years ago)

Really hoping that the idea of norms hasn't been stretched absolutely out of shape too far already & that things can be rebuilt.
& that this doesn't signpost future behaviour for Presidents.
Is there any possibility that anything can be put in place to stop any future total neophyte from destroying things they don't like.
Or from getting into such a position of power in the first place.

Stevolende, Monday, 4 September 2017 08:27 (eight years ago)

Well this is it

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Monday, 4 September 2017 08:39 (eight years ago)

what does "fixing" american democracy even look like at this point? by what means would it occur? the american political system has always implicitly rested on the idea of virtue; when the illusion of that virtue is so thoroughly shattered, how is such a system reparable?

bob lefse (rushomancy), Monday, 4 September 2017 08:44 (eight years ago)

so is Twin Peaks finale the first disaster of the era we can't blame on him?

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 September 2017 09:19 (eight years ago)

No. Spoilers.

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 4 September 2017 09:39 (eight years ago)

I'm already not clicking the hundred Twin Peaks/Lynch threads you're reviving, but can we keep this about rotten to the core politics like it's supposed to? At least till us Europeans get a chance to see the final tonight? Much obliged.

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 4 September 2017 09:46 (eight years ago)

Fixing American democracy, a checklist

1. Redistricting after 2020 census to correct, as much as possible, the ridiculous partisan gerrymandering that was committed after 2010
2. Abolish the electoral college
3. Put voting rights in the Constitution (and amend the status of the territories & DC while we're at it to stop completely disenfranchising 4 million of our own people - a higher than average proportion of which are veterans and their families)
3. Restore balance to the SCOTUS and federal judiciary to help protect & preserve all of the above reforms

El Tomboto, Monday, 4 September 2017 13:49 (eight years ago)

Fixing American executive branch institutions, a checklist:

1. Keep a running list of fuckups committed by this administration
2. Win all the elections
3. Appoint a special commissioner to roll back all the fuckups in, say, 270 days or less after inauguration

El Tomboto, Monday, 4 September 2017 13:53 (eight years ago)

4. ???
5. Profit!

Neanderthal, Monday, 4 September 2017 13:53 (eight years ago)

First, you get the democracy. Then, you get the power. Then you get the women.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 4 September 2017 13:57 (eight years ago)

I was going to go on about how rebuilding the talent pool of good Feds we're losing from all over (not just State, HUD, EPA; it's everywhere, even Morbius' beloved intelligence community) is going to take a decade, and how some of the law enforcement agencies are going to need multiple lumpectomies, but all that bothers me more than the numbered bullets above, to be honest.

El Tomboto, Monday, 4 September 2017 14:03 (eight years ago)

you'd also probably have to do systemic reform of the justice and incarceration system, with particular attention paid to police and prisons.

also make some corrections to a wholly market-based media infrastructure which gives falsehood memetic advantages over truth.

oh, and by the way the entire two-party system the constitution basically requires is rotten and unsustainable, as we have proof positive that should at least one of the parties (probably either) produce an unfit candidate, most people with allegiance to that party will choose party over principle.

also, while we're at it the economy, particularly with respect to jobs, is permanently unstable and will continue to displace workers left and right. preventing the collapse of democracy will probably require addressing the growing reality that employment is not a realistic expectation for many workers.

i'm not optimistic about the possibility of "fixing" things.

bob lefse (rushomancy), Monday, 4 September 2017 14:32 (eight years ago)

rebuilding the talent pool of good feds _is_ a problem, though one which is difficult to measure. to rebuild democracy requires faith in democracy. i'm not entirely sure that, even should the democrats pull another obama out of their ass in 2020 (or, god forbid, 2024) the civic-minded would jump on board to help out. for what? for eight years of a rear-guard action that will end in eight years with somebody even worse than trump undoing everything they've accomplished in 100 days? it's not enough to fix the damage. you have to make people believe the disaster won't recur.

bob lefse (rushomancy), Monday, 4 September 2017 14:41 (eight years ago)

Stepping back even further, we also have to cure the poison that's infected people's minds and beliefs via corporate propaganda over the past few decades. And to fix that we'd have to somehow maneuver around the media apparatuses and politicians that they have a near monopoly over... and somehow overcome the unprecedented levels of wealth and power they hold now... and the fact that they control both the Republican and Democratic parties... and it's all a self-reinforcing system.

And on and on and on. Fixing the US to work better for most people is a massive, generations-long project. My shit thrown on the wall guess is that we're going to experience a serious collapse or violent crisis before any of this starts.

carpet_kaiser, Monday, 4 September 2017 14:53 (eight years ago)

I was mostly responding from my own context (DC, federal, executive) and since that's where Stevolende also appeared to be coming from, at least how I read his questions.

Systemic overhaul of the justice & prison system has to start at the local level to have any staying power. The federal justice system is not the most fucked up one at present, not even close.

The media infrastructure cannot be fixed by elected officials. That just has to eat itself, and it will.

I don't think Trump is unique to the two-party system. Blowing up the entire way we vote so that parties led by such luminaries as Dr. Jill Stein can have some seats in the federal legislature, on the off chance that disastrous coalitions don't form a la Cameron-Clegg, is frankly a waste of energy. I'd prefer we actually enfranchise the entire voting-age population first, then we can see if a new method of running elections is worth it.

Full employment is completely possible, just not under traditional capitalism.

El Tomboto, Monday, 4 September 2017 14:58 (eight years ago)

Happy Labor Day you guys!

El Tomboto, Monday, 4 September 2017 15:00 (eight years ago)

oh yeah labor day that's what u guys use to delineate when white clothes can or cannot be worn right

Wesley Shackleton explained "look at that beast." (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 4 September 2017 15:05 (eight years ago)

kinda like groundhog day iirc?

Wesley Shackleton explained "look at that beast." (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 4 September 2017 15:06 (eight years ago)

point of fixing two party structural advantage is not to give jill stein a few seats imho. and it doesnt have to be at the exclusion of other things. no one's yet really found a way to articulate it that's not super wonkish and detached from other concerns but I do think that at least at the local and state levels, the devices that generate the two-party structure (winner-take-all voting especially) end up suppressing turnout by a ton, and shd be in the same breath with other moves to expand the electorate. but obv they are less immediately sinister and urgent than active projects to rob ppl of the franchise.

Doctor Casino, Monday, 4 September 2017 15:15 (eight years ago)

emily post institute says dgaf re: old money labor day fashion rules

http://emilypost.com/advice/wearing-white-after-labor-day/

groundhog day has roots in old european pagan traditions and comes from german-speaking rural pennsylvanians

labor day is what the US and Canada do instead of May Day

El Tomboto, Monday, 4 September 2017 15:18 (eight years ago)

It's incredible to me (and by that I mean totally not surprising) that with so much going on - Harvey, North Korea, debt ceiling, tax reform, Russia - he just decides to fuck things up more at the exact same time in the ugliest, stupidest way possible.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 4 September 2017 15:20 (eight years ago)

tombot - sorry if i was vague, but that was what i was going for - many of the most serious problems are problems that are not within the power of the federal government, any federal government, to fix.

i would say that trump's power _is_ unique to the two-party system, myself. i've been reading wonkish stuff like this paper, https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3028990 . the presence of demagogues within the system is obviously not unique to america, but america is supposedly a "stable" democracy which nonetheless elected an authoritarian white supremacist to office in 2016, aided and abetted at every step by the system which political hacks said was supposed to prevent such an outcome. i'm not arguing for a full push towards parliamentary democracy, at least not until more moderate measures such as the elimination of the electoral college have been tried and found wanting, but at some point it becomes reasonable and appropriate to at least have a discussion about the systemic flaws inherent in our constitutional system. for instance, it seems certainly possible that the pitifully low rate of participation in a two-party democracy is, in some sense, an artifact of the two-party system.

bob lefse (rushomancy), Monday, 4 September 2017 15:20 (eight years ago)

DC, the franchise issues can and must be addressed at the federal level, by all three branches of government; the endemic use of FPTP voting method to the exclusion of other systems is something that would (and should?) need to be tackled locally and through amendments to state constitutions.

El Tomboto, Monday, 4 September 2017 15:21 (eight years ago)

I guess what this points to is that the Democratic party needs to ensure it has strategies and candidates for the legislative, executive and judicial offices at all levels of government, which is something the GOP has been far more disciplined about for a long while. There have to be platform planks specifically aimed at state and local problems, and lists of rosters of judicial nominees like the one the Federalist Society has for Republicans.

El Tomboto, Monday, 4 September 2017 15:31 (eight years ago)

Wait ... you think the Democratic party is part of the solution here? They're working for the same people as the Republicans, thanks to legalized corruption.

carpet_kaiser, Monday, 4 September 2017 15:34 (eight years ago)

Ask the Dem establishment about overturning right to work laws. They'll laugh so hard in your face they'll probably give you $100 for the fun you gave them that day.

carpet_kaiser, Monday, 4 September 2017 15:35 (eight years ago)

cool, I could use $100

WilliamC, Monday, 4 September 2017 15:37 (eight years ago)

Didn't Dems in Wisconsin flee from the state to avoid voting for right to work law? Then tried to recall Scott Walker over the issue?

Frederik B, Monday, 4 September 2017 15:40 (eight years ago)

State Democrats are a little different than federal Democrats...

carpet_kaiser, Monday, 4 September 2017 15:46 (eight years ago)

it wasn't fleeing, it was tactical relocation

j., Monday, 4 September 2017 15:47 (eight years ago)

So state Dems are good?

Frederik B, Monday, 4 September 2017 15:55 (eight years ago)

Isn't that kinda lucky since right-to-work laws are a state issue?

Frederik B, Monday, 4 September 2017 15:57 (eight years ago)

Happy Labor Day

Democratic socialism for all

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 September 2017 15:59 (eight years ago)

only decent dems are in the midwest; new england state & local dems are all THE WORST(tm) just ask a morbius (or a kaiser), western state dems are all sellouts too, and southern state dems are all pro-abortion scum, see it's all part of a pattern, man.

El Tomboto, Monday, 4 September 2017 15:59 (eight years ago)

The Democrats in the state I live in are corrupt as hell; I even helped put a bunch in prison. We need more options.

carpet_kaiser, Monday, 4 September 2017 16:05 (eight years ago)

Nods

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Monday, 4 September 2017 16:13 (eight years ago)

the two-party system, while nominally encouraging "compromise", defines that "compromise" as "across the aisle". so under this system democrats will _always_ go out of their way to work with republicans, even when this is a patently stupid notion, over working with left dissidents, because that's what the political norms established by the us constitution encourage.

bob lefse (rushomancy), Monday, 4 September 2017 16:19 (eight years ago)

it's baked in before you even get to political norms - - - winner-take-all means there are always huge electoral incentives to try and "peel off" the "moderates" from the other party, rather than going looking for people that neither party is speaking to, and win races 51 to 49. even if gradually the pool of people voting at all shrinks as various groups are (a) actively disenfranchised by evil racist parties and (b) gradually tuned out of the process because neither of these parties sees any percentage in speaking to their needs.

Doctor Casino, Monday, 4 September 2017 16:27 (eight years ago)

Any news on electoral reform in any states? Maine succeeded last fall, anybody else trying? Because, yeah, I imagine voting under first past the post must be horrible.

Frederik B, Monday, 4 September 2017 16:39 (eight years ago)

Florida opted to stop having elections

Neanderthal, Monday, 4 September 2017 16:47 (eight years ago)

someone on this board is a true cynic as well as being an Inside Man

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 4 September 2017 17:50 (eight years ago)

only decent dems are in the midwest

Our state folks have fucked things up, economically, but they've nonetheless totally stalled the GOP gov's stupid fiscal agenda, overriding his veto on the budget and then more recently forcing his hand re: public school funding, with a few small compromises to make him feel like he won something. Kansas folks did the same thing, and I think Texas and NC state legislatures have been busy thwarting GOP BS these days as well, at least to some extent.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 4 September 2017 18:02 (eight years ago)

no lie, the biggest thorn in the tx gop is...the sorta-moderate gop house speaker joe straus. held up the trans bathroom bill until it died, basically

Rob Lowe fresco bar (m bison), Monday, 4 September 2017 18:13 (eight years ago)

no lie, the biggest thorn in the tx gop is...the sorta-moderate gop house speaker joe straus. held up the trans bathroom bill until it died, basically

― Rob Lowe fresco bar (m bison)

pro-business gopers are far more effective as opponents to anti-gay and anti-trans bills than any democrat in a gop-gerrymandered state. i can't blame the democrats for not being as effective, but i can blame them for clinging to the pretense that they have any political clout whatsoever; the "peel off the moderates" strategy might pay dividends on a national level, but it's worse than useless on the state and local levels.

bob lefse (rushomancy), Monday, 4 September 2017 19:17 (eight years ago)

Enjoyed this detailed read; anyone with relevant experience on the legal/media front, would love to hear more:

https://www.lawfareblog.com/how-read-news-story-about-investigation-eight-tips-who-saying-what

Ned Raggett, Monday, 4 September 2017 21:51 (eight years ago)

I liked this tidbit:

Dirty little secret: It’s a common tactic for defense lawyers to put material out there in a fashion favorable to their clients and to make sure the sourcing is suggestive of an improper prosecutorial leak—and then complain publicly about prosecutorial leaks. This happens a lot.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 4 September 2017 22:19 (eight years ago)

Just another day

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/congress-faces-a-tense-agenda-with-little-margin-for-error-1504566653

Mr. McConnell, a fastidious, 30-year veteran of the Senate, often prepared note cards with points he wanted to make during phone calls with the president. Mr. Trump was more casual, starting conversations with several minutes of chatter about the day’s headlines or what he had seen on TV, the kind of banter he used as a businessman with VIPs, according to people familiar with their discussions.

As it became clear Mr. McConnell couldn’t summon enough Republican votes to repeal the Affordable Care Act, the Senate majority leader stopped responding to the president’s chitchat, the people familiar said.

“Mitch?” the president said when Mr. McConnell fell silent in one call. “Are you there?”

Mr. McConnell waited a beat, then responded. “Yes, Mr. President. Back to the bill,” according to those familiar with the talks.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 03:12 (eight years ago)

Big week coming up!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 5, 2017

Fuck you!

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 04:05 (eight years ago)

Yep, he's washing his hat.

Mark G, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 06:33 (eight years ago)

Fuck washing a hat

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 07:26 (eight years ago)

Fuck hats

Wichita prepares for totality (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 07:29 (eight years ago)

Is it infrastructure week again?

Frederik B, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 08:04 (eight years ago)

Big week coming up!

literally afraid for my family's safety when he says stuff like this

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 09:14 (eight years ago)

it is, always has been, and will forever be infrasructure week

Wesley Shackleton explained "look at that beast." (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 09:39 (eight years ago)

This is already getting ridiculous.

As of today - no new applications for DACA. Those with current permits expiring by 3/5/18 can get 2-year extension. After that no extensions https://t.co/S9xFHeYvlD

— Jonathan Karl (@jonkarl) September 5, 2017

WH already whispering that Trump is bluffing on ending DACA https://t.co/mQ6IcNRKIT pic.twitter.com/ouUZbM2crg

— Allahpundit (@allahpundit) September 5, 2017

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 13:13 (eight years ago)

reaching robert has "urged Congress to schedule testimony of some key witnesses in public session — to avoid the possibility that the special counsel may be blocked from accessing information given to the committees privately" :(

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/05/politics/russia-mueller-hill/index.html

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 14:22 (eight years ago)

It's a small thing but LOL.

Sheriff Clarke, shut out by Kelly, going to Trump PAC, via sources.

— Glenn Thrush (@GlennThrush) September 5, 2017

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 14:40 (eight years ago)

Congress, get ready to do your job - DACA!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 5, 2017

glad to see he's thought this through almost as much as the health care bill

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 15:35 (eight years ago)

Not that I should give a shit, but did the typical Obama tweet enjoy as many "likes" or as violent a reception as the typical Trump brain blurt?

I am a paying customer, who is very cordial and pleasant to talk to (stevie), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 15:38 (eight years ago)

MAGA DACA, MAGA DACA, sis boom bah!

"Celebration" encourages the listener to celebrate good times. (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 15:38 (eight years ago)

The typical Obama tweet got responses you couldn't read to your kids

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 15:45 (eight years ago)

Speaker of the House Paul Ryan: "President Obama’s DACA program was a clear abuse of executive authority, an attempt to create law out of thin air."

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 15:48 (eight years ago)

https://img.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_1248x832/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2017/09/04/National-Politics/Images/317293430_0-7.jpg

charlatans. every last one of them.

I am a paying customer, who is very cordial and pleasant to talk to (stevie), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 15:53 (eight years ago)

luv2see christian cumfaces

Wesley Shackleton explained "look at that beast." (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 15:58 (eight years ago)

Dare I ask what is happening in that picture

ultros ultros-ghali, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 16:03 (eight years ago)

Immanentization of the eschaton, iirc.

Pascal's Penisés (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 16:11 (eight years ago)

These pastors are praying with the yellow turd. They are now, acc. to WaPo, expressing dismay at the DACA decision.

I am a paying customer, who is very cordial and pleasant to talk to (stevie), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 16:16 (eight years ago)

I'm very dismayed by the president's decision but I will continue to support him in every way that matters.

Pascal's Penisés (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 16:19 (eight years ago)

tbf they might be asking god to hit him with lightning asap

a big sausage-handed small-eared guy (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 16:20 (eight years ago)

Remember when there were values beyond self-serving venality? What a golden era that was.

Pascal's Penisés (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 16:20 (eight years ago)

they were engaged in the direct transference of orgone energy into Trump's suit, judging by the look of it

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 16:22 (eight years ago)

bit mean leaving that guy on the right hanging

a big sausage-handed small-eared guy (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 16:24 (eight years ago)

Kenny Rogers is looking well tho

a big sausage-handed small-eared guy (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 16:25 (eight years ago)

Lol I thought orgone was just a nonsense word from hawkwind

felix! phelix! ghelix! (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 16:33 (eight years ago)

beat guys were into it

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 16:36 (eight years ago)

Beat-off guys are even more into it.

Pascal's Penisés (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 16:43 (eight years ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgone

dan selzer, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 16:48 (eight years ago)

frankfurt school rules

those guys in the photo above personify the beatitudes. blessed are the vain and lazy heirs of great fortunes, prone to insult and collusion, who scorn refugees and cheat on theirs wives, amen

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 16:49 (eight years ago)

bit mean leaving that guy on the right hanging

well he is the vice president after all

never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 17:14 (eight years ago)

“Well, what would you do? Do you stay calm, keep smiling and carry on as if he weren’t repeatedly invading your space? Or do you turn, look him in the eye and say loudly and clearly: ‘Back up you creep, get away from me. I know you love to intimidate women, but you can’t intimate me, so back up.'”
H CLinton

haha

Dean of the University (Latham Green), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 17:17 (eight years ago)

If only she had said that during the debate ...

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 17:18 (eight years ago)

BTW, Mike Pence is clearly so pious that he doesn't even have to lay hands, he can just lay his mind, man.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 17:18 (eight years ago)

MAGA - Mekanïk Destruktïw Kommandöh Trumpo

Dean of the University (Latham Green), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 17:19 (eight years ago)

that may be the most horrifying photo of the trump presidency i've seen so far

never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 17:19 (eight years ago)

so many good comebacks pop into your head long after the timely moment

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 17:20 (eight years ago)

1930s hot take: Why the Abraham Lincoln Brigade should stay home and write letters to their Congressmen

— jeremy scahill (@jeremyscahill) September 1, 2017

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 17:20 (eight years ago)

"Yeah, well the jerk store called and they're out of you" xp

"Celebration" encourages the listener to celebrate good times. (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 17:54 (eight years ago)

coooool

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 18:07 (eight years ago)

the public has a right to hear this anonymous source explain what the hell they think mrs doubtfire was about https://t.co/ZWtMWFiRQ4

— Max Read (@max_read) September 5, 2017

j., Tuesday, 5 September 2017 18:41 (eight years ago)

where's the $1m donation for Harvey?

frogbs, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 19:05 (eight years ago)

His biographer (and the majority of the rest of the world) is unconvinced that it will be forthcoming.

Pascal's Penisés (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 19:07 (eight years ago)

that would be insane though, right? I mean you can get away with the empty pledge for publicity when the spotlight isn't on you (as Trump has done many, many times), but can you really do it as President of the United States of America?

frogbs, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 19:14 (eight years ago)

well, who am I kidding here

frogbs, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 19:14 (eight years ago)

Meanwhile redhatters are all like "Where's Obama/Clinton/Soros and their $$$$?"

Everybody else wants Irma to take a huge dump on Mar-A-Lago.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 19:15 (eight years ago)

Oh, is THAT what Trump was having those guys help him pray about in the picture upthread?

Evan, Tuesday, 5 September 2017 19:18 (eight years ago)

that would be insane though, right? I mean you can get away with the empty pledge for publicity when the spotlight isn't on you (as Trump has done many, many times), but can you really do it as President of the United States of America?

― frogbs, Tuesday, September 5, 2017 7:14 PM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think this also feeds the stupid GOP narrative that disaster relief shouldn't come from the government but from private individuals and churches and other organizations that conspicuously aren't sitting on a printing press for money

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 19:35 (eight years ago)

cher is the hero america needs pic.twitter.com/cmC7xp4IVe

— carmina burrata (@nately) September 5, 2017

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 19:37 (eight years ago)

Cher should be in a Marvel movie.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 19:47 (eight years ago)

https://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Dazzler_Vol_1_20.jpg

Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 19:48 (eight years ago)

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/img/56645392/Master.jpg

Dean of the University (Latham Green), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 20:13 (eight years ago)

Not in MY mouth.

Wichita prepares for totality (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 5 September 2017 23:03 (eight years ago)

Congress now has 6 months to legalize DACA (something the Obama Administration was unable to do). If they can't, I will revisit this issue!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 6, 2017

uhh...what?

frogbs, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 01:33 (eight years ago)

hard to keep the swimming and rapidly inverting matrices of this 39th dimensional chess in my head all at once

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 01:42 (eight years ago)

what the hell

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 01:46 (eight years ago)

That's so hilariously, tragically backwards. Trump revisited the issue after Obama made it legal, something Congress was unable to do now becomes Congress must do it because Obama couldn't, or I will. Or something.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 01:49 (eight years ago)

I think he may have realized that he fucked himself into a corner but lacks the language/cognition/humility to express that as a coherent thought.

Pascal's Penisés (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 01:58 (eight years ago)

Wait so he DOES want it, but "more legal than legal"? or... im confused.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 04:08 (eight years ago)

" If they can't, I will revisit this issue!"

"what do we want? DACA! When do we want it? ... eventually!"

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 04:08 (eight years ago)

Trayce: Some people are making a claim that only congress holds the constitutional power to create and modify immigration law (others are pushing back—depends on how strictly you interpret the constitution), and DACA was an executive order (something Obama had to do a lot of because of congressional obstruction and fecklessness). The DREAM act should be a slam-dunk bi-partisan passage, but y'know...brown people and stuff.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 04:14 (eight years ago)

i dont think the gop has the votes at all

Rob Lowe fresco bar (m bison), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 04:14 (eight years ago)

They ain't got shit. One self-own after another with this guy.

But hey, tax reform oh wait.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 04:24 (eight years ago)

I N F
R A S
T R U
C T U
R E !

Wichita prepares for totality (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 04:28 (eight years ago)

Glad you enjoyed our infrastructure show. Tell your friends. We'll be here all week.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 04:31 (eight years ago)

Be sure to stay up late and join us for our "Adults only" after midnight show--We have PEE TAPE!

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 04:43 (eight years ago)

Can we, on this board, stop calling it 'GOP obstruction/fecklessness' and call is rascism for christ

ein Sexmonster (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 05:06 (eight years ago)

just got back from a Racism for Christ 5k run phew

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 05:54 (eight years ago)

even if there was 0 racism to GOP, they would still be moronic sand-in-the-gears obstructionists with horrible anti-govt ideas

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 05:57 (eight years ago)

Terminal illnesses can have many distinct symptoms.

Wichita prepares for totality (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 07:19 (eight years ago)

As an illness he's pretty contagious, better put him in a quarantine ward.
Or live out the next 3 years as an international hospice.
Couldn't he just die for crissake.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 08:15 (eight years ago)

i thought the CW around this is that now the Republicans will now pass a watered-down version of the DREAM act and take credit for it, shoring up the conservative Latino vote, while Trump gets to take credit for being mean to brown people = everybody "wins"

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 09:33 (eight years ago)

And risk getting primaried by rabid anti-immigrants? I think the fuck not

Rob Lowe fresco bar (m bison), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 10:41 (eight years ago)

What defines a crime against humanity? & how close is the orange one trying to sail.
hope lack of republican voters isn't a central part of the differentiation.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 10:42 (eight years ago)

bison I believe the thinking is that Republicans in danger of being primaried can vote against it and there will be enough Dem votes for it that it will pass

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 11:16 (eight years ago)

The conventional wisdom before Trump and Sessions came out with the stupid 6 month plan was that they would have to be stupid to do it, now the conventional wisdom is that they intend to do it less stupidly, ignoring the fact that they are beholden to the stupid caucus.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 11:16 (eight years ago)

8 months in and political press still cannot stop itself from projecting "savvy" onto everything

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 11:19 (eight years ago)

Trump is so savvy he obstructs himself.

Assuming Congress even gets around to it, enough of the House is insane that there is no way any sort of revised DREAM act gets put forward without some extreme provision, whether linked to a stupid wall or contingent on Mexico being made illegal or some such shit. So yeah, Trump will be "revisiting" it.

As always, the hypocrisy of the GOP and especially shitheads like Jeff Sessions is shameless. They're all about rules and laws and fairness and history and the sanctity of the constitution, but literally only when it pushes their racist and/or rich person agenda.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 11:28 (eight years ago)

it is curious isn't it how suddenly they all care about executive overreach

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 11:34 (eight years ago)

Except when they do it.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 11:44 (eight years ago)

Plus, reversing executive overreach is the easiest way for them to be anti Obama without Obama.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 11:45 (eight years ago)

my dry, smarmy chuckle at "racist and/or rich person agenda" never materialized; but we must continue to be slash-inclusive and non-gendered in our characterization of who these people really care about

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 11:47 (eight years ago)

ahaha oh look it materialized after all :D

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 12:07 (eight years ago)

president hamburger pimp. he's so bad he kicks his own ass twice a day!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utgEumFK3p8

bob lefse (rushomancy), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 13:03 (eight years ago)

#BREAKING Trump profits from golf memberships bought by lobbyists, federal contractors https://t.co/F6OiiCvsxf

— USA TODAY (@USATODAY) September 6, 2017

noooothing realllly mattters

rock and roll tucci coo (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 13:26 (eight years ago)

every day this ratbag isn't kicked out of office the country sells a little more of its soul

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 13:28 (eight years ago)

it's just fucking deadening

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 13:28 (eight years ago)

Have fun over there.

https://www.axios.com/scoop-senate-leadership-ponders-combining-harvey-debt-ceiling-and-government-funding-2482154617.html

Senate Republican leadership is privately contemplating a bold maneuver: attaching the government funding bill (CR) to the debt ceiling and emergency funding aid for Hurricane Harvey.
Three sources with knowledge of the discussions confirmed them to Axios. They stressed nothing has been decided and the move would be highly risky, with a strong chance of a conservative revolt. It's especially unclear whether such a vehicle could move through the House — given the Freedom Caucus and other conservative members are already angry about the plans to use the Harvey funding to raise the debt ceiling without spending cuts.
The advantage: If GOP leadership can get the CR done this week with Harvey funding and the debt ceiling that would be a big tactical victory, given Democrats may be poised to oppose the government funding extension if it doesn't include measures to support DACA.

Per a source close to GOP Senate leadership: "Leadership is testing the waters in the Senate for adding the CR...Senate leaders will only add it if House leaders believe they can pass it. Problem is the CR is the vehicle for the Dems to demand a DACA fix and the Freedom Caucus to fight that and push for spending reductions. It is a bold idea but putting together the votes seems tough."

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 14:04 (eight years ago)

it sounds monumentally stupid but i ain't no expert

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 14:11 (eight years ago)

every day this ratbag isn't kicked out of office the country sells a little more of its soul

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, September 6, 2017 9:28 AM

we went from shopping at banana republic to living in one

maura, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 14:30 (eight years ago)

20 years from now, when we're living in bunkers, Paul Ryan et all will write the "How Were We to Know?" memoirs and I will finally stick my head in the oven.

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 14:53 (eight years ago)

this whole Presidency is like watching a baby standing outside on the ledge of a 20 foot building and half the people are saying "stop freaking out, it's cute!"

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 14:53 (eight years ago)

This presidency is like reading tweets about a baby on a ledge on your phone while otherwise glued to a rerun of American Ninja Warrior.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 14:58 (eight years ago)

we're fucked

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:10 (eight years ago)

Y'all forgot to mention the explosive collars we're all wearing which will detonate the second the baby falls and triggers its dead switch.

Pascal's Penisés (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:15 (eight years ago)

But still: so adorable!

Pascal's Penisés (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:16 (eight years ago)

ts: nunes v sessions

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/05/politics/house-intelligence-committee-subpoena-fbi-justice/index.html

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:44 (eight years ago)

Is Nunes a goodie now?

I am a paying customer, who is very cordial and pleasant to talk to (stevie), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:48 (eight years ago)

no

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:54 (eight years ago)

note Schiff's objections and the reasons Nunes wants those documents (ie to smear the FBI's Russia investigation, issuance of FISA warrants etc.)

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:54 (eight years ago)

Nunes will never be a goodie and his face should never be more than 5 inches away from balled-up fists

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 15:54 (eight years ago)

I figured as much, but I'm bewildered at this point (I have never knowingly predicted the conclusion of any Noir movie I've ever watched)

I am a paying customer, who is very cordial and pleasant to talk to (stevie), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 16:05 (eight years ago)

Bogart is alive

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 16:28 (eight years ago)

i thought nunes recused himself after he got caught slipping 2-scoop's white house stooges intel reports? rules don't apply to republicans though i guess. party of personal responsibility ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 16:31 (eight years ago)

He has claimed he never recused recently

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 16:33 (eight years ago)

fake news / failing NY Times at it again! no republican can be trusted, ever, except when it comes to cutting taxes on the rich :(

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/06/us/politics/devin-nunes-house-intelligence-committee-russia.html?mcubz=3&_r=0

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 16:47 (eight years ago)

Whomp whomp.

NEW: Ty Cobb says in leaked emails that he&Kelly are the "adults in the room"—and explains why he's repping Trump https://t.co/dFoOIrHwOU

— Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) September 6, 2017

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 17:02 (eight years ago)

"Dude U have no idea! I walked away from $4 million annually to do this, had to sell my entire retirement account for major capital losses and lost a s---load to try to protect the third pillar of democracy."

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 17:03 (eight years ago)

"You should check out my record, Chairman of the Grand Canyon Trust, largest donor to Mercy Corps, significant donor to Historically black colleges, Feed the Children and other needy and important groups to the tuber of over $4 million in last 10 years, among others."

"Three pillars of govt. All deserve a defense," he continued. "Particularly with phony allegations and fake news. I am on be here for long but will be I my piece against bullshit Russian bull---- that hurts us now and is totally political limiting Russian cooperation against NK. This s--- is real and real time. Got to go: Best, Ty."

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 17:04 (eight years ago)

"Kelly & _I_"

ein Sexmonster (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 17:06 (eight years ago)

That's the adult?

Max-Headroom-drops-a-deuce-while-shredding (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 17:07 (eight years ago)

vigorous defense

j., Wednesday, 6 September 2017 17:10 (eight years ago)

did adult ty cobb censor "shit" over and over or did adult businessinsider.com censor it?

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 17:12 (eight years ago)

Asked later by Jetton to "set the record straight" and explain how Cobb is "justifying" his role at the White House to himself and others, Cobb said he "can say assertively that more adults in the room will be better. Me and Kelly among others."

Going from this to "'Me and Kelly' are the 'adults in the room'" is some shameful shit.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 17:12 (eight years ago)

A company aggregates and clickbaits to get eyeballs? Never!

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 17:13 (eight years ago)

Meantime, the standard bearer of his party

Source briefed on WH mtg: Trump is okay with 3 mo CR and 3 mo debt limit increase...agreeing w Dems

— Mike DeBonis (@mikedebonis) September 6, 2017

Trump overruled wishes of all Rs in the room...Ryan, Cornyn, McConnell, McCarthy, Mnuchin...who wanted longer term extension.

— Mike DeBonis (@mikedebonis) September 6, 2017

(Cornyn didn't attend, he clarifies later, but still, if true, roffle.)

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 17:15 (eight years ago)

why do sixty-somethings like Cobb and Bannon think they get to say "dude"?

veronica moser, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 17:38 (eight years ago)

Because saying "Jack" would be too on the nose?
https://cdn2.bigcommerce.com/server900/b0811/products/1501/images/6971/jack_daniels__79730.1451544603.480.480.JPG?c=2

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 17:40 (eight years ago)

"you're out of your element, Donnie"

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 17:42 (eight years ago)

Just spoke to a top Republican close to leadership about Trump's decision. Here's what they said: pic.twitter.com/iV2y0bVfvk

— Jonathan Swan (@jonathanvswan) September 6, 2017

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 17:48 (eight years ago)

Art of the Deal, updated:

When your counterparts make an opening bid, accept all their terms immediately and go to North Dakota.

The end.

— Matt Fuller (@MEPFuller) September 6, 2017

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 17:55 (eight years ago)

lol

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 18:07 (eight years ago)

it's almost as if he is completely ignorant of how legislative process/maneuvering works

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 18:11 (eight years ago)

Nunes will never be a goodie and his face should never be more than 5 inches away from balled-up fists

― Neanderthal

dude we don't all know the five point palm exploding heart technique

bob lefse (rushomancy), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 18:17 (eight years ago)

I actually do think this says a lot.

Aide briefed on WH mtg says @IvankaTrump entered Oval to say hello, and GOP leaders were visibly annoyed by her presence.

— Frank Thorp V (@frankthorp) September 6, 2017

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 18:29 (eight years ago)

gop leaders... otm???

Wesley Shackleton explained "look at that beast." (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 18:32 (eight years ago)

I read in one of those pity party pieces that she's been doing this very much on purpose since Kelly changed the locks.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 18:33 (eight years ago)

so... i'm really confused about what just happened earlier; with the disaster relief / debt ceiling etc...

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 18:34 (eight years ago)

Trump had a stroke last night; he's a Democrat now

frogbs, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 18:36 (eight years ago)

y'all help me get my head all the way around on this. I understand why the Dems were pushing for a 3 month hike -- so they could make their support in December contingent on things like DACA and I guess health care subsidies maybe? but why was the GOP pushing for 12? was that just to try and prevent that Dem manuever in December, or was it to make it easier for them to focus on tax reform, or is there another reason I'm missing?

evol j, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 18:37 (eight years ago)

Trump just wants some shit passed asap - Dems offered a deal that positions them well for future negotiations in December and he took it like a moron.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 18:37 (eight years ago)

was that just to try and prevent that Dem manuever in December

yes

they don't want to have this same exact battle in 3 months, they want to split everything up

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 18:38 (eight years ago)

a debt ceiling hike just requires a majority, right? meaning the only reason Dem votes are even needed is because of deficit hardline loons like Rand Paul and Mike Lee and Ted Cruz?

evol j, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 18:40 (eight years ago)

It all gets better and better here

Pretty incredible. @RobertBryan4 reports the meeting was deadlocked until Trump spoke up, sided with Dems https://t.co/qwmijVLkHb pic.twitter.com/KJ1D4m1raZ

— Brett LoGiurato (@BrettLoGiurato) September 6, 2017

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 18:42 (eight years ago)

"Art of the deal, Paul, I told ya! And fuck you Mitch!"

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 18:42 (eight years ago)

a debt ceiling hike just requires a majority, right?

it requires a 2/3rds majority iirc, so they will need Dem votes no matter what

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 18:43 (eight years ago)

"We had a very good meeting with Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer," Trump said. "We agreed to a three-month extension on debt ceiling, which they consider to be sacred - very important - always we'll agree on debt ceiling automatically because of the importance of it."

lol waht

Wesley Shackleton explained "look at that beast." (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 18:43 (eight years ago)

I'm told by the time Ivanka came into wh meeting GOP leaders were shellshocked by @POTUS cutting unexpected deal w Dems in front of them

— Dana Bash (@DanaBashCNN) September 6, 2017

Ah, she just arrived too darn late. I'm guessing Jared was opposed to it too, according to an "anonymous source w/knowledge of his thinking" https://t.co/6ukooNYa6A

— Jeff B/DDHQ (@EsotericCD) September 6, 2017

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 18:43 (eight years ago)

i have to imagine the only reason the GOP isn't eager to impeach this guy is that they'd fear losing the Trump base forever, because he's fucking them over so much, either directly or inadvertently.

nomar, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 18:47 (eight years ago)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJD4OVRXcAAs-Ke.jpg:small

mookieproof, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 18:47 (eight years ago)

STOP IT

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 18:48 (eight years ago)

can't

mookieproof, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 18:51 (eight years ago)

okay lol

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 18:57 (eight years ago)

that's the first one that i got a chuckle outta

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 18:59 (eight years ago)

Schumer, hair down

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:00 (eight years ago)

I came in late today, how did Yam switch parties?

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:02 (eight years ago)

He better call Chucky with the good hair

nomar, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:02 (eight years ago)

Isn't this what Ryan, McConnell, et. al wanted in January -- a prez who can make deals with Schumer?

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:09 (eight years ago)

anyway, Sparklepants gets it:

Trump’s insults of Schumer were insipid and unworthy. But surely there must be a middle ground between that name-calling and “Chuck and Nancy,” as Trump was referring to Pelosi and Schumer after a meeting today where he threw the GOP leadership over board and agreed to the Democrats’ proposal for a 3-month deal on the debt limit and funding of the government. This will give the Democrats leverage to push for concessions at the end of the year (including DACA untethered to enforcement measures) and complicate the job of the GOP leadership when it’s trying to focus on the Herculean task of passing tax reform. This comment, via Axios, from “a Republican close to leadership” may be too dire, but you get the drift.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:11 (eight years ago)

clearly schumer a man who can take an insult or two

j., Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:13 (eight years ago)

I love that Alfred doesn't edit out the "Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner";

evol j, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:13 (eight years ago)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJEB8SBVoAQxKsf.jpg:small

mookieproof, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:15 (eight years ago)

"if yr a good boy I will let u watch Curious George movie later abooboo"

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:16 (eight years ago)

How can an American President be so cruel? #DACA

— Madeleine Albright (@madeleine) September 5, 2017

lol come on this is too easy https://t.co/GyGiIVWiCW

— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) September 5, 2017

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:18 (eight years ago)

It's called compartmentalizing.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:21 (eight years ago)

Out of all the "re-evaluations of past Republicans" going around, giving an inch of ground to Albright is the hardest for me. Even W has more of my sympathy.

sleeve, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:22 (eight years ago)

Albright was a Dem?

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:26 (eight years ago)

the US forever warriors know no party

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:27 (eight years ago)

Yeah, I buy this, sure.

NEW: Trump's legislative director Marc Short says Trump agreed to shorter debt ceiling deal in order to "clear the decks" for tax reform.

— Christina Wilkie (@christinawilkie) September 6, 2017

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:40 (eight years ago)

looking forward to a lot of hot takes about TRUMP THE UNITER and how he doesn't play by washington's rules from people who still can't believe he's this dumb/need clicks

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:50 (eight years ago)

"I MEANT to do that"

xp

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:53 (eight years ago)

https://files.catbox.moe/ebnor1.jpg

nomar, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:53 (eight years ago)

surely Trump would insist on playing white

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:57 (eight years ago)

appropriate that none of those chess pieces have moved anywhere i guess

Wesley Shackleton explained "look at that beast." (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 19:57 (eight years ago)

game has to keep restarting cos he keeps trying to play w/ checkers rules and throwing the board in disgust when corrected

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 20:04 (eight years ago)

Trump should move one step back.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 20:06 (eight years ago)

It would quickly become clear to someone playing chess with Trump that a) he's unaware that chess is a different game than checkers and b) he was never able to quite wrap his head around the intricacies of playing checkers.

Pascal's Penisés (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 20:06 (eight years ago)

"let them come to us - we are in a position of strength"
"sir we are required to make a move. we have to take turns."
"we are always 4 moves ahead"
"yes sir"

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 20:07 (eight years ago)

In the Trump cult universe he is always much more fit and handsome. Subtle but suggests how thoroughly the cultish mindset skews perceptions.

Evan, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 20:08 (eight years ago)

In the Trump cult universe he is always much more fit and handsome. Subtle but suggests how thoroughly the cultish mindset skews perceptions.

Present-day hair, 1980s body.

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 20:14 (eight years ago)

Ben Garrison's Trump looks like Fabio or something

https://media.wired.com/photos/59446c633cf71b16ba5b9e23/master/pass/BenGarrison-Art.jpg

soref, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 20:29 (eight years ago)

Donnie just wants to make everyone happy! Why is that so hard to understand?

President Donald Trump on Wednesday denied that he was sending mixed signals on the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program and said he simply wants Congress to come up with a solution "where everybody is happy."

...

Trump said Democratic leaders Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer and “even very conservative members of Congress” want to take care of so-called Dreamers.

“Chuck and Nancy would like to see something happen, and so do I,” the president said. “And I said if we can get something to happen, we’re going to sign it and we’re going to make a lot of happy people.”

...

“I’d like to see something where we have good border security, and we have a great DACA transaction where everybody is happy and now they don’t have to worry about it anymore,” Trump said. “I’d like to see a permanent deal, and I think it’s going to happen. I think we’re going to have great support from both sides of Congress, and I really believe that Congress is going to work very hard on the DACA agreement and come up with something.”

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 20:32 (eight years ago)

just checked in on resident cosmic brain dildo Scott Adams and wouldn't you know it, he's currently praising Trump for his "strategic ambiguity" regarding DACA.

frogbs, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 20:36 (eight years ago)

Oh dear.

"[Ivanka] wanted to make the trip. She said, 'Dad, can I go with you?' She said actually, 'Daddy, can I go with you?' I like that, right?" pic.twitter.com/fN2I8VPodZ

— David Mack (@davidmackau) September 6, 2017

Trump: "I speak to leaders all the time. Lots of them. I spoke to a leader of a major, major country recently, a really big one." pic.twitter.com/09lb5tgUWE

— Christina Wilkie (@christinawilkie) September 6, 2017

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 20:59 (eight years ago)

this fucking moron

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 21:03 (eight years ago)

Well, yes. Wait, what?

Trump: Drought-stricken Dakotans "better off" than Harvey flood victims https://t.co/PD2X7SEZYf pic.twitter.com/CELh2cmgFw

— The Hill (@thehill) September 6, 2017

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 21:07 (eight years ago)

'if only we could get some of that water up here'

i'm just guessing, tell me if i'm right

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 21:09 (eight years ago)

lol morbs

gbx, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 21:12 (eight years ago)

More sad trombones!

BREAKING: Trump unlikely to nominate Gary Cohn to become Fed Chair; chances dropped after Charlottesville - DJ https://t.co/jn8limUSe7

— CNBC Now (@CNBCnow) September 6, 2017

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 21:41 (eight years ago)

Trump on taxes: “We’re going to get into great detail over the next two weeks.”
The "two weeks."

— Richard Rubin (@RichardRubinDC) September 6, 2017

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 21:43 (eight years ago)

Oh HERE we go.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/09/michael-cohen-interview-donald-trump

I mean, it's not surprising that Mr. Sez Who is a pathetic toady like all the other pathetic toadies but Jesus H. Christ, this guy.

Cohen’s actual family has suffered because of his support of the Trump family. He said some students at his daughter’s college and his son’s school in New York City say things about him that “decorum would say they probably shouldn’t have.” His mother checks in every day to see how he is doing. He says that he routinely receives death threats on social media for associating with Trump. Sometimes people on the street will say “really nasty, negative stuff,” which he sometimes responds to by asking them to step two or three feet closer and “see what happens. I tell them to come say it right to my face, not from across the street. Come shake my hand.”

The way his family has been treated weighs on him. “It was my decision to go and work for Trump,” he said. “Not my brother’s. Not his wife’s. Not my nephews’—13 and 11. They’re like me, casualties of war that nobody cares about as long as they can defame and damage president Trump and the Republican Party.”

Of course, Cohen can walk away at any point. “I’d never walk away,” he responded, over and over, when I raised the point. Even at the expense of his family? “I’d never walk away.” When I point out that it’s a tremendous amount of loyalty for the president, he tells me that the president deserves it.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 21:46 (eight years ago)

casualties of war

what, did they get a venereal disease?

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 21:54 (eight years ago)

A friend posted this photo on Facebook - apparently Donnie just wanders around, unprotected, at times...

https://scontent.fewr1-3.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21371014_10154945807923595_397190149510774436_n.jpg?oh=4ed433202538dbea327d61ae32dc26c0&oe=5A211C83

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 22:05 (eight years ago)

I weep for them so.

House GOP aide:"Members are super [angry] & many who backed Cruz & railed against Trump as not conservative R pulling 'I told U so' routine"

— David M. Drucker (@DavidMDrucker) September 6, 2017

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 22:45 (eight years ago)

how many people is that, 10? 12?

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 22:47 (eight years ago)

CruzTrumpphonebank.gif

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 22:47 (eight years ago)

Every time I hear DACA I think of Wire:

drill drill drill
DACA DACA DACA
drill drill drill
DACA DACA DACA

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 22:48 (eight years ago)

how many people is that, 10? 12?

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, September 6, 2017

they can't even include Cruz's wife and kids b/c they hate him too

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 22:49 (eight years ago)

lol

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 22:49 (eight years ago)

looking forward to a lot of hot takes about TRUMP THE UNITER and how he doesn't play by washington's rules from people who still can't believe he's this dumb/need clicks

― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses),

a FOX commentator from that toiler paper thing The Federalist said as much

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 22:50 (eight years ago)

GOP congressional caucus (with some exceptions in the Senate) are whipped dogs - they will endure any and all abuse and have boxed themselves into a corner with their voting base, they can't turn on Trump even if they wanted to (and most of them don't, tbh). All their private grousing amounts to is "thank you sir, may I have another".

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 22:52 (eight years ago)

More fun!

http://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-just-undercut-his-own-party-on-the-debt-ceiling-it-was-deliberate

Multiple West Wing sources told The Daily Beast how the president was looking to strike a quick and easy deal—and that his speed reaching this specific arrangement was in part ensured by his resentment towards Republican leaders, who Trump views as hostile, insufficiently loyal, and impotent. It was well-known within the White House that President Trump, going into the meeting, was “not looking to do [Ryan and McConnell] any favors,” as one White House official put it.
Simply put, the president made a “deliberate decision not to care about Ryan’s feelings” and did what he wanted, another White House adviser said.
“I think it was calculated, in his unique way. Republicans can’t get anything done, so maybe the other side will,” a senior Trump administration official said of the deal, which will forestall a government shutdown until mid-December and allow the government to continue borrowing money until around the same time. “At the very least,” the administration official added, “it says, ‘don’t take me for granted.’”

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 22:55 (eight years ago)

"Maybe the other side, who are in the minority, can help the president pass items that are loathed by his party, the majority."

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 22:57 (eight years ago)

Fabulous strategy.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 22:57 (eight years ago)

what could possibly go wrong

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 22:59 (eight years ago)

oh my god the pecs on that cartoon trump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjSCzC4R6gk

maura, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 23:23 (eight years ago)

A friend posted this photo on Facebook - apparently Donnie just wanders around, unprotected, at times...

lol that's not trump, that's some guy with a shaggy haircut and a suit walking down the washington avenue bridge on the university of minnesota campus

j., Wednesday, 6 September 2017 23:24 (eight years ago)

The Bill Mitchells of the world are convinced it's all genius, thus

Mitch McConnell had refused to meet with Trump for weeks, now GOP cries because Trump retaliated on debt ceiling. Welcome to hard ball.

— Mike Cernovich 🇺🇸 (@Cernovich) September 6, 2017

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 6 September 2017 23:42 (eight years ago)

“A three-month debt ceiling? Why not do a daily debt ceiling?” cracked Rep. Mike Simpson (R-Idaho). “He’s the best deal-maker ever. Don’t you know? I mean, he’s got a book out!”

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 6 September 2017 23:56 (eight years ago)

lol, I hope that one gets back to him.

WilliamC, Thursday, 7 September 2017 00:12 (eight years ago)

If behaving like a petulant, spite-fueled baby makes you a genius, I believe the MacArthur Foundation owes me a grant.

Pascal's Penisés (Old Lunch), Thursday, 7 September 2017 00:15 (eight years ago)

If behaving like a petulant, spite-fueled baby makes you a genius, I believe the MacArthur Foundation owes me a grant.

The line forms right behind Morbius.

grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 7 September 2017 00:24 (eight years ago)

give us a kiss

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 September 2017 00:28 (eight years ago)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJGJTkSV4AApzcQ..jpg

louie mensch (milo z), Thursday, 7 September 2017 05:17 (eight years ago)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJGJTkSV4AApzcQ.jpg:large

louie mensch (milo z), Thursday, 7 September 2017 05:17 (eight years ago)

Ha! What are we even reading there?

I am a paying customer, who is very cordial and pleasant to talk to (stevie), Thursday, 7 September 2017 09:53 (eight years ago)

MAGA= NO DACA??

Dean of the University (Latham Green), Thursday, 7 September 2017 12:47 (eight years ago)

It's a palindrome. MAGA NO DACA ON PANAMA.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 September 2017 13:04 (eight years ago)

More fun details from yesterday.

https://www.axios.com/inside-trumps-head-scratching-deal-with-chuck-and-nancy-2482488348.html

Meantime, great job there:

Steve Bannon tells CBS Catholic Bishops are opposed to what's happening on DACA because "they need illegal aliens to fill the churches." pic.twitter.com/WYSyXQYUhJ

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) September 7, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 13:10 (eight years ago)

hoo boy, now that's a hot fuckin' take there steve

Wesley Shackleton explained "look at that beast." (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 7 September 2017 13:12 (eight years ago)

Further crazyville

https://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2017/09/07/curse-of-the-woke-conservatives-n2377758

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 13:13 (eight years ago)

Oh and Lou Dobbs going off the deep end last night was fun

So, uh, this happened pic.twitter.com/siVF5e2v7p

— Liam Donovan (@LPDonovan) September 7, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 13:13 (eight years ago)

The connecting threads that are all here is the recalibration of the 'conservativism can't fail, it can only be failed' idea -- it's now 'Trump can't fail, he can only be failed.'

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 13:14 (eight years ago)

I know he'll never experience real suffering, but it is pretty delicious to think about Paul Ryan being in a position now where no matter how hard he tries to be the "conservative intellectual" his actions are going to be roundly judged by GOP media based solely on how well they align with the whims of the world's dumbest man.

evol j, Thursday, 7 September 2017 13:22 (eight years ago)

Paul Ryan is clearly a secret pinko.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 September 2017 13:27 (eight years ago)

Can't wait to see how many Dems mistake a wholly spiteful act as conciliatory fence mending and decide that this is the moment that Trump truly became president (and will be shocked when he predictably behaves spitefully towards the very Dems he sided with yesterday).

Higgs Bosom (Old Lunch), Thursday, 7 September 2017 13:47 (eight years ago)

I haven't seen any evidence yet! The looks on Schumer and Pelosi's faces suggested they knew they were dealing with a dumb asshole.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 September 2017 13:51 (eight years ago)

I was about to say, this isn't them going "Oh he's changed." Those were looks of glee.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 13:52 (eight years ago)

Eventually, Ben Sasse is going to get a show on MSNBC called You Have All Disappointed Me So, So Very Much. Eventually, Paul Ryan is going to leave to do infomercials for his objectivist cross-fit workout DVD titled Atlas Pumped. Eventually, Lindsey Graham is going to retire and open an antique store in Alexandria and get into needless and endless price wars all over town. And eventually, we will win our struggle to restore the country and the Constitution we love.

Totally down with three out of four of these.

The down side of all of this is that we have to believe in the image of Schumer & Pelosi facing down their new buddy in three months, right?

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 7 September 2017 13:59 (eight years ago)

xposts No, I'm sure Chuck n' Nancy knew the score, at least. This just seems like the kind of thing that might cause less savvy observers on the periphery to lose their perspective.

Higgs Bosom (Old Lunch), Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:00 (eight years ago)

'That rabid dog has briefly stopped eating my leg. Maybe he's friendly now!'

Higgs Bosom (Old Lunch), Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:01 (eight years ago)

Well this makes...wait

For all of those (DACA) that are concerned about your status during the 6 month period, you have nothing to worry about - No action!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 7, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:07 (eight years ago)

lol he validated NRO's worst fears.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:07 (eight years ago)

Wait hold on

NEWS: Source tells me @NancyPelosi called Trump this morning, asked him to tweet this https://t.co/A1z86V582Z

— Heather Caygle (@heatherscope) September 7, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:07 (eight years ago)

Caygle is a Politico reporter. That actually MIGHT be real.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:08 (eight years ago)

That's totally fair, he is getting everyone 6 months to find a new country to live in.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:10 (eight years ago)

Oh, okay, it all makes sense now. Someone has finally gotten their hands on the pee tape.

Higgs Bosom (Old Lunch), Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:11 (eight years ago)

Two consecutive days of fucking over the conservative racists who voted for him. What a genius.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:14 (eight years ago)

Trump is so smart, he is going to pass an entire Democratic agenda just so that he can run on repealing it again in 3 years.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:16 (eight years ago)

Yeah I was just going to Tweet this

Per a top house aide, Pelosi shared with Reps at whip meeting this AM that she spoke to trump this morning and asked him to tweet this. https://t.co/QCbzSp3JdZ

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) September 7, 2017

maura, Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:20 (eight years ago)

Meantime...

JUST IN: Twitter to give congressional committees an analysis of Russian activity similar to the one Facebook provided: Senator Warner

— Reuters Top News (@Reuters) September 7, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:36 (eight years ago)

lmao no way do Chuck n' Nancy trust Trump, the Dems know exactly who this guy is

frogbs, Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:38 (eight years ago)

My head hurts

BREAKING: DOJ asking for 30 day delay in deadline to indicate if they're still refusing to confirm/deny if POTUS is/was under investigation.

— Bradley P. Moss, Esq (@BradMossEsq) September 7, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:42 (eight years ago)

Sad, some might say

Freedom Caucus chair Meadows: "No way the president will be negotiating from a position of strength in December."https://t.co/uferFeXaxn

— Kevin Whitelaw (@KevinWhitelaw1) September 7, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:43 (eight years ago)

*record scratch*

Correction, TRUMP called PELOSI, not other way around https://t.co/pMpjDc3voj

— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) September 7, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:45 (eight years ago)

let me see if i've got this right:

first Dobbs calls Ryan a RINO

then he insinuates that tying Harvey funding to debt ceiling extension is reprehensible

then he shows a clip of Ryan saying the same thing

Then Dobbs says that Trump's the only one who knows how to get things done, and that extending the debt ceiling and securing funding for Harvey is manful leadership that Ryan can only dream of

Then he says Democrats have actually been the wise heads in recent days

and uh, Ryan's the RINO, Lou?

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:47 (eight years ago)

Funny how it all works.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:50 (eight years ago)

Can't anybody here play this game?

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:51 (eight years ago)

Oh man, imagine if.

Trump suggested scrapping debt ceiling in meeting with congressional leaders https://t.co/5PlCtyCeEi pic.twitter.com/CzFZiXER6h

— The Hill (@thehill) September 7, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:55 (eight years ago)

We're reaching a point where we just free associate labels for people they think are bad and wrong. You buncha commie Nazi liberal republicans.

Higgs Bosom (Old Lunch), Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:57 (eight years ago)

Totally confused about that DOJ thing. So ... DOJ is asking (of whom?) for 30 more days before saying whether the president is/was or is/was not personally under investigation? If he is not, why even delay? If he is, what does a delay achieve?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 September 2017 14:58 (eight years ago)

30 more days before saying whether they are willing to answer the question.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 7 September 2017 15:02 (eight years ago)

Who are they answering? A FOI request?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 September 2017 15:05 (eight years ago)

OK, here's my guy:

15/ Regardless of what DOJ says, the President should act as if he's under investigation and mount a defense. He's doing so. /end

— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) September 7, 2017

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 September 2017 15:09 (eight years ago)

Starts here, actually:

THREAD: Does the Justice Department know whether the President is under investigation? https://t.co/VvLRP6X1up

— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) September 7, 2017

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 September 2017 15:10 (eight years ago)

So it sounds a bit like Comey's excuse for not saying publicly whether Trump was or was not under investigation. That status can change very quickly, so he didn't want to have to backtrack.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 September 2017 15:11 (eight years ago)

Donald Trump Jr. told Senate investigators on Thursday that he set up a June 2016 meeting with a Russian lawyer because he was intrigued that she might have damaging information about Hillary Clinton, saying it was important to learn about Mrs. Clinton’s “fitness” to be president.

But nothing came of the Trump Tower meeting, he said, and he was adamant that he never colluded with the Russian government’s campaign to disrupt last year’s presidential election.

In a prepared statement during an interview with Senate Judiciary Committee investigators, the younger Mr. Trump said he was initially conflicted when he heard that the lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, might have damaging information about Mrs. Clinton. Despite his interest, he said, he always intended to consult with his own lawyers about the propriety of using any information that Ms. Veselnitskaya, who has ties to the Kremlin, gave him at the meeting.

A copy of Mr. Trump’s statement was obtained by The New York Times.

The acknowledgment by the president’s eldest son that he intended to seek legal counsel after the meeting suggests that he knew, or at least suspected, that accepting potentially damaging information about a rival campaign from a foreign country raised thorny legal issues.

Etc.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 September 2017 15:38 (eight years ago)

the younger Mr. Trump said he was initially conflicted when he heard that the lawyer, Natalia Veselnitskaya, might have damaging information about Mrs. Clinton

sure, who among us doesn't immediately leap to respond 'i love it!' when suffering an internal conflict

Wesley Shackleton explained "look at that beast." (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 7 September 2017 15:44 (eight years ago)

RE: Trump's pledged donation of $1 million for Harvey relief. Has anyone actually checked with these charities to confirm receipt of these funds? If not then shit like this is just totally irresponsible:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/here-s-where-trump-donated-his-1-million-harvey-relief-n799316

I mean, the article itself simultaneously says "President Donald Trump and First Lady Melania personally donated $1 million to Hurricane Harvey relief efforts" and "Here's the full list of where the White House says that money will be donated" Those two statements don't mean the same thing!

evol j, Thursday, 7 September 2017 15:57 (eight years ago)

I'm sure people are on it.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:00 (eight years ago)

Jeeeeez, isn't the fact that he said he would do it enough to appease you animals?

Higgs Bosom (Old Lunch), Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:01 (eight years ago)

Explains everything.

Trump seemed happy talking to Pelosi and Schumer and said they'd all gotten good news coverage, particularly on TV. https://t.co/jaNF5L7NW9

— Josh Dawsey (@jdawsey1) September 7, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:04 (eight years ago)

Trump making a heel turn on the GOP would be too perfect

frogbs, Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:10 (eight years ago)

BTW, love this screenshot from Lou last night.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJIYuUdUMAAl9Ax.jpg

Imagine the sound he's making. "HEEEEEEEHHHHHNNNN."

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:14 (eight years ago)

A new kind of furrowed brow and grave concern!

JUST IN: @TedCruz announces that he will SUPPORT Harvey relief aid pkg-- but is disappointed that it is tied to debt ceiling/ budget.

— Ryan Nobles (@ryanobles) September 7, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:15 (eight years ago)

"i would protest but i left my balls in my other pantsuit"

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:21 (eight years ago)

And now...

Trump and Schumer agree to a tentative plan to get rid of debt ceiling votes. My story w @damianpaletta. https://t.co/WtCnwxHHtu

— Ashley Parker (@AshleyRParker) September 7, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:38 (eight years ago)

that would be a fantastic development

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:39 (eight years ago)

what is happening

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:54 (eight years ago)

For a start, it would produce a raft of new elections as Republicans expired on the spot.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:54 (eight years ago)

trump is the only true republican, that's why he's doing the democrats' work for them, or something

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:56 (eight years ago)

with so many GOP folks railing against him maybe Nancy and Chuck saw an opening for some mind games and started to flatter Trump in private, i truly believe in the power of that kind of trickery swaying Trump.

nomar, Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:57 (eight years ago)

hilarious that it's being suggested cuz it will never pass Ryan and McConnell - great idea though. Schumer and Pelosi playing Chump like a fucking violin.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 7 September 2017 16:59 (eight years ago)

they aren't stupid and see the political leverage in further driving a wedge between Chump and his congressional majority. Damages the party's legislative prospects v v badly.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:00 (eight years ago)

In fact, probably doing this right now

Schumer at WH today talking infra...If Dems are smart they'll lean in now & pitch their own tax-infrastructure package directly to POTUS.

— Jonathan Swan (@jonathanvswan) September 7, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:02 (eight years ago)

have we been turned into The United States of Mar-a-Lago yet

Neanderthal, Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:06 (eight years ago)

and do we get our own Donnie-ville allotments

Neanderthal, Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:07 (eight years ago)

divide and conquer is literally the oldest political strategy in the world, makes sense that Trump is totally ignorant of it.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:07 (eight years ago)

is anyone willing to brave breitbart to see the reaction? after bannon left, he characterized those that were still surrounding trump as a bunch of secret liberals, and i guess the rumors were that breitbart would take aim at them. but now that trump is doing this, maybe they'll change their view of the guy in charge?

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:16 (eight years ago)

breitbart isn't anti-infrastructure

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:18 (eight years ago)

it's infrastructure week at breitbart

Karl Malone, Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:20 (eight years ago)

Situations like these are precisely why I want the flawed Pelosi as speaker and not Tim Ryan. At least she can recognize a sucker and play him, among her other political skills.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:21 (eight years ago)

the Oval Office is morphing this week into the study of the Stupid Godfather

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:26 (eight years ago)

'this week'

Wesley Shackleton explained "look at that beast." (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:33 (eight years ago)

Meantime from the new FBI guy

Wray says of Mueller's Russia investigation: "I have not detected any whiff of interference with that investigation."

— Haley Byrd (@byrdinator) September 7, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:36 (eight years ago)

Leave to Ben Domenech to think there's a plan in all this, no, really!

http://thefederalist.com/2017/09/07/trumps-potential-triangulation/

(As someone noted yesterday, shouldn't the fact that his dad works in the Interior Department be mentioned more often?)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:41 (eight years ago)

Also lol at this guy, who I know Alfred has cast a gimlet eye on for some time, thinking this is a revelation TODAY.

One of the lessons of 2016 that troubles me is that Trump seemed to succeed partly because voters could create their own version of him.

— Michael B Dougherty🍃 (@michaelbd) September 7, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:45 (eight years ago)

that is true of every president in my lifetime? like that's kind of what a successful politician is

rob, Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:49 (eight years ago)

or Madonna

i don't see it applying to Trump w/out a ludicrous amount of tunnelvision, tho

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:50 (eight years ago)

different movie analogy:

Trump meeting yesterday w/McConnell, Ryan, Pelosi, and Schumer on the debt ceiling. https://t.co/DTh57FW0bb

— corey robin (@CoreyRobin) September 7, 2017

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 7 September 2017 17:56 (eight years ago)

Trump getting religion on the debt ceiling is interesting given his past proclivities for bankruptcy.. I guess "he alone" knows how that sort of thing can fuck up yr credit rating and ability to borrow in the future.

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 7 September 2017 18:01 (eight years ago)

Am I taking crazy pills, or not enough of them?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/gingrich-or-santorum-as-speaker-house-conservatives-plot-mischief-for-the-fall/2017/09/07/8df6ab60-9316-11e7-aace-04b862b2b3f3_story.html?utm_term=.461496a016d6

Several influential House conservatives are privately plotting ways to use the legislative calendar this fall to push their hard-line agenda — including quiet discussions about possibly mounting a leadership challenge to House Speaker Paul D. Ryan.

The group has gone so far as to float the idea of recruiting former House speaker Newt Gingrich or former Pennsylvania senator Rick Santorum as potential replacements for Ryan (R-Wis.) should there be a rebellion. The Constitution does not require that an elected member of the House serve as speaker.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 19:43 (eight years ago)

And here comes the money

http://www.thedailybeast.com/koch-brothers-will-push-congress-to-protect-dreamers

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 19:45 (eight years ago)

former Pennsylvania senator Rick Santorum

aww yiss

Wesley Shackleton explained "look at that beast." (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 7 September 2017 19:47 (eight years ago)

time for a surge of long-repressed santorum imo

Wesley Shackleton explained "look at that beast." (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 7 September 2017 19:48 (eight years ago)

just changed the sheets

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 7 September 2017 19:53 (eight years ago)

has this made the rounds yet?

https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/537909/
^TNC's take on the unbearable whiteness of trump

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 7 September 2017 19:55 (eight years ago)

👀 After Don Jr. testimony to Senate Judiciary Cmte, Sen. Chris Coons' office sends out statute on giving false statements to Congress pic.twitter.com/OUdKXMBfqm

— Andrew Desiderio (@desiderioDC) September 7, 2017

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 7 September 2017 19:58 (eight years ago)

xp, one of the takeaway passages

And so the most powerful country in the world has handed over all its affairs—the prosperity of its entire economy; the security of its 300 million citizens; the purity of its water, the viability of its air, the safety of its food; the future of its vast system of education; the soundness of its national highways, airways, and railways; the apocalyptic potential of its nuclear arsenal—to a carnival barker who introduced the phrase grab ’em by the pussy into the national lexicon. It is as if the white tribe united in demonstration to say, “If a black man can be president, then any white man—no matter how fallen—can be president.” And in that perverse way, the democratic dreams of Jefferson and Jackson were fulfilled...

The first white president in American history is also the most dangerous president—and he is made more dangerous still by the fact that those charged with analyzing him cannot name his essential nature, because they too are implicated in it.

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 7 September 2017 20:02 (eight years ago)

Can Trump be considered a Conservative? He doesn't seem it - more like Dictator

Dean of the University (Latham Green), Thursday, 7 September 2017 20:10 (eight years ago)

I had a an appointment at the dentist today, and playing on the TV above the dental chair was CNN's coverage of the Trump press conferences. Very bleak dentist's visit.

ian, Thursday, 7 September 2017 21:23 (eight years ago)

he's not a dictator but he is a fascist

Οὖτις, Thursday, 7 September 2017 21:25 (eight years ago)

i signed up for yelp to complain about that in a doctor's office xp

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 7 September 2017 21:49 (eight years ago)

Headline's wrong -- it's just the Appropriations Committee -- but still, huh.

In a surprise move, Senate votes to overturn Trump administration's global gag rule. https://t.co/XalfwPBcC8

— Ruby (@RubyMellen) September 7, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 22:21 (eight years ago)

they are sick of his shit

sleeve, Thursday, 7 September 2017 22:24 (eight years ago)

Oh...my.

Peter King tells me Trump & Schumer chemistry at a WH meeting today was off the charts: “It was almost like a love-in at times.”

— MJ Lee (@mj_lee) September 7, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 23:24 (eight years ago)

Meantime.

Mueller reportedly wants to interview W.H. staffers about the initial misleading statement re: Trump Jr.'s meeting. https://t.co/AbRPxcFuOy

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) September 7, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 23:25 (eight years ago)

Hmmm

DENT, a leader of what he calls "governing wing" of GOP, confirms to me he's retiring

Ileana, Reichert now Dent: 3d tough seat for Rs...

— Jonathan Martin (@jmartNYT) September 7, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 7 September 2017 23:41 (eight years ago)

Axelrod last night, when asked, was very hopeful about 2020 pres, but for 2018 predicted maybe slight gains in the house but potentially Dem loses in the senate. We here also have yet to talk about the Menendez trial, afaict. If he loses his seat, not good for senate.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 7 September 2017 23:46 (eight years ago)

This Ty Cobb guy is not the smartest of souls

http://www.businessinsider.com/ty-cobb-emails-prankster-drone-reporter-2017-9

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 September 2017 00:14 (eight years ago)

This, buried in the story, is even better:

"He was supposed to be the DC insider who was going to help Trump get away from the Kasowitz mistake,"said the former partner, who requested anonymity to discuss the subject freely. Trump's former personal attorney on the Russia matter, Marc Kasowitz, found himself in hot water earlier this summer after sending threatening emails to a stranger.

"Ty isn't a DC insider. He's the D team," the former partner said. He added that many at the firm were furious when Cobb took the position in the White House without first quitting his job at Hogan Lovells. He quit his job roughly two weeks after the White House announced he'd be joining Trump's legal team.

"Most people were really glad to see him go," the partner said.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 September 2017 00:16 (eight years ago)

Fox News refuses to hire Spicer after exit from White House: report https://t.co/KCJ6shsVEs pic.twitter.com/ifhjxhgSfh

— The Hill (@thehill) September 8, 2017

Maybe he can fill in for Melissa McCarthy on SNL when she's busy.

— Walter Shaub (@waltshaub) September 8, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 September 2017 04:08 (eight years ago)

maybe he can run really fast into Steve Bannon and turn into a gelatinous cube

Neanderthal, Friday, 8 September 2017 06:42 (eight years ago)

they are all rich

Karl Malone, Friday, 8 September 2017 06:44 (eight years ago)

none of them care because as long as they don't go to prison they are rich

Karl Malone, Friday, 8 September 2017 06:45 (eight years ago)

can someone take Trump to Disney World on Sunday night and not let him look at the weather forecast first

Neanderthal, Friday, 8 September 2017 06:46 (eight years ago)

Really hoping Mar a lago is somewhere in the path of one of these hurricanes. But I bet funding for rebuilding comes from the public not the supposed multimillionaire.

Stevolende, Friday, 8 September 2017 08:12 (eight years ago)

Would be so ironic if trump holdings were leveled by Hurricane Jose innit?

Stevolende, Friday, 8 September 2017 08:20 (eight years ago)

i understand the impulse and have seen it from several of my friends, but can we not do the "hope a hurricane makes landfall, causing still more suffering to thousands of people" bit?

also mar-a-lago is a perfectly decent old property that long predates trump buying it. he didn't build it and doesn't deserve it.

Doctor Casino, Friday, 8 September 2017 11:25 (eight years ago)

I am certainly not hoping a hurricane makes landfall because I am in its path. but it's almost a certainty at this point.

Neanderthal, Friday, 8 September 2017 11:31 (eight years ago)

Is it okay if we hope that it only hits Mar-A-Lago?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 8 September 2017 11:32 (eight years ago)

Ideally while he is playing a perfect game of golf, ala Caddyshack?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 8 September 2017 11:33 (eight years ago)

Only if he has actually replaced the staff with robots, which he would not do because he enjoys the discomfort of real humans - a tendency he apparently shares with yourself?

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 8 September 2017 11:36 (eight years ago)

Ok. We've lightly made jokes from all sorts of bad things that have happened, I guess we now know that hurricanes are the third rail.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 8 September 2017 11:39 (eight years ago)

I guess we should just ban all posts about hurricanes. Because what is there to say? Be safe, everyone.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 8 September 2017 11:40 (eight years ago)

How about we just chain Trump to a giant rock in the middle of the ocean and summon the Kraken?

Wichita prepares for totality (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 8 September 2017 11:48 (eight years ago)

sorry i guess i am just too sensitive about imminent mass death, people being rendered homeless, families and communities torn apart etc.

Doctor Casino, Friday, 8 September 2017 11:52 (eight years ago)

Fair enough. Be safe, Mexico, in the wake of the huge earthquake that has already claimed several lives and will likely prove have claimed more.

I don't know. I have a lot of faith in the people on this thread that the default assumption should be sympathy, and empathy, and high hopes for the safety of everyone. Doesn't preclude jokes about Trump's palace being destroyed.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 8 September 2017 12:06 (eight years ago)

as cynical and self serving as this kleptocratic regime is the reason to hope it hits Trump properties is that if he knows he himself can benefit from relief efforts and money, that money will be there and hopefully other Floridians benefit as a result

there are only every three reasons things happen w Trump stupidity, greed, or a need for attention

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 8 September 2017 12:16 (eight years ago)

Full morning already:

Two GOP pros msg me to say re: House retirements - this only the start...

— Jonathan Martin (@jmartNYT) September 8, 2017

A third GOP pro texts to say he knows of more

"not all are moderates. Conservatives are tired of this shit too"https://t.co/bCB3hQumT3

— Jonathan Martin (@jmartNYT) September 8, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 September 2017 13:03 (eight years ago)

Republicans, sorry, but I've been hearing about Repeal & Replace for 7 years, didn't happen! Even worse, the Senate Filibuster Rule will....

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 8, 2017

Aides tell me he's thoroughly enjoying this https://t.co/HqHwznGeZ1

— Jonathan Swan (@jonathanvswan) September 8, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 September 2017 13:04 (eight years ago)

And meanwhile

https://www.axios.com/no-regrets-trump-exuberant-in-oval-office-after-deal-with-dems-2482870459.html

Sources familiar with Trump's thinking tell Swan the president saw an opening in the Oval Office meeting to do three impulsive/instinctive things:

Do something popular: Play the part of the magnanimous populist president rising above partisanship to cut a deal.
Get funding for Hurricane Harvey quickly and avoid a prolonged fight on Capitol Hill.
Stick the middle finger to McConnell and Ryan — especially McConnell, with whom Trump is fed up. (He believes McConnell is a failed leader with low energy.) Trump has enjoyed thinking about Ryan and McConnell squirming while he parades his surprise deal with "Chuck and Nancy."

Regrets? Trump has none. He revels in these moments when he can be unpredictable to the point where he confounds his own top aides and, especially, the press corps.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 September 2017 13:05 (eight years ago)

A separate roffle

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/08/us/politics/ted-cruz-hurricane-harvey.html

Asked last month whether Mr. Cruz had returned to the Senate a changed man after his presidential campaign, Senator Roger Wicker, Republican of Mississippi, allowed that “some people might say that.”

Asked if he counted himself among those “some people,” Mr. Wicker repeated himself.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 September 2017 13:07 (eight years ago)

"...but I couldn't possibly comment."

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 8 September 2017 13:19 (eight years ago)

I volunteer in the elementary school library, and this morning was the first time I came across a new book of presidents that includes Trump. Gut churning.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 8 September 2017 13:44 (eight years ago)

Newsweek compiled the evolving, contradicting excuses Don Jr gave for taking the June 2016 meeting. There are a lot. https://t.co/emrxEjlcFn

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) September 8, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 September 2017 13:51 (eight years ago)

xpost -- when I was young I remember reading a book about presidents that stopped with Nixon, still in office at the time of publication (by the time I read it it would have been Carter in office). It was a little bemusing, but it happens.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 September 2017 13:52 (eight years ago)

I...what?

“[New Jersey Gov.] Christie, because of Billy Bush weekend, was not looked at for a Cabinet position,” Steve Bannon tells @CharlieRose pic.twitter.com/zgKbpOfAiJ

— CBS News (@CBSNews) September 8, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 September 2017 13:53 (eight years ago)

Josh, if you can bear it, can you look at the book and summarize what it says?

no matter what happens in the next four/eight years (or his president-for-life bid), his death will necessitate a state funeral. I suppose Reagan and Nixon's ceremonies involved hideous revisionism, but to be compelled to act as if he was not a case of burning hot diarrhea upon the life of this country and unto the world will be galling, as cases of diarrhea inevitably are.

veronica moser, Friday, 8 September 2017 14:05 (eight years ago)

If the people of earth can agree to retroactively refer to him only as President Diarrhea, I might be able to stomach the boilerplate post-presidential pomp.

Higgs Bosom (Old Lunch), Friday, 8 September 2017 14:08 (eight years ago)

The permanent record:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/disney-trump-feud-causes-delay-at-hall-of-presidents/article/2627218

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 8 September 2017 14:08 (eight years ago)

I'll look when I go back later today for my second shift. It was one of those generic Scholastic books (with Lincoln on the cover), I assume it will be pretty boilerplate, but you never know!

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 8 September 2017 14:11 (eight years ago)

"President Diarrhea" is how I have been referring to him since like March…

veronica moser, Friday, 8 September 2017 14:34 (eight years ago)

The strength of conservatism!

TRUMP/PELOSI/SCHUMER BILL PASSES HOUSE -- 319-90

— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) September 8, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 September 2017 14:47 (eight years ago)

IT'S OFFICIAL: @SpeakerRyan did NOT break Hastert Rule on this. Now have 128 Rs. Thats more than a majority of the majority.

— Rachael Bade (@rachaelmbade) September 8, 2017

GOP @RepRyanCostello says members in "disbelief" being lectured to by "Democratic donor treasury secretary" to support lifting debt ceiling

— Kyle Cheney (@kyledcheney) September 8, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 September 2017 14:48 (eight years ago)

i have no doubt that in reality the future will be vastly more surprising than anything i can imagine

now my own suspicion is that theuUniverse is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose

Wesley Shackleton explained "look at that beast." (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 8 September 2017 14:48 (eight years ago)

i was hoping Dumbass here would have the courage of his 'convictions'

https://thinkprogress.org/limbaugh-to-evacuate-south-florida-after-claiming-irma-was-a-hoax-cb3fb5fb35b8/

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 September 2017 14:54 (eight years ago)

“The views expressed by the host of this program [are] documented to be almost always right 99.8 percent of the time,” Limbaugh said right before announcing he would be leaving South Florida for parts unknown.

yo dawg we heard you like equivocations so we put equivocations in your equivocations so you can equivocate while you equivocate

Wesley Shackleton explained "look at that beast." (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 8 September 2017 14:57 (eight years ago)

almost always right 99.8 percent of the time

new board description plz

Οὖτις, Friday, 8 September 2017 15:16 (eight years ago)

i've heard a few minutes of RL while getting an i.v. drip monthly -- truly a double treat -- and he remains a very savvy broadcaster despite the ludicrous content.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 September 2017 15:23 (eight years ago)

Last time I listened to him he spent 3 straight segments on how trump was the most famous person in the world, without explaining why that was new or important.

Karl Malone, Friday, 8 September 2017 15:28 (eight years ago)

he knows his audience, ya gotta give him that

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 September 2017 15:34 (eight years ago)

it's not hard to figure out morons

Οὖτις, Friday, 8 September 2017 15:37 (eight years ago)

Well well

Sater letter to Cohen on Trump Tower Moscow: "Help world peace and make a lot of money" pic.twitter.com/2DYyqxFRO5

— Justin Miller (@justinjm1) September 8, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 September 2017 15:45 (eight years ago)

read that as "Attached is the signed LOL, by Andrey Rozov" and was v confused

harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Friday, 8 September 2017 16:15 (eight years ago)

no matter what happens in the next four/eight years (or his president-for-life bid), his death will necessitate a state funeral. I suppose Reagan and Nixon's ceremonies involved hideous revisionism, but to be compelled to act as if he was not a case of burning hot diarrhea upon the life of this country and unto the world will be galling, as cases of diarrhea inevitably are.

― veronica moser, Friday, September 8, 2017 2:05 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

his presidential library is just going to be a storefront for his garbage products and books

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 8 September 2017 16:18 (eight years ago)

as we'll be in full-blown climate crisis when it's time to build, thinking everyone will just say naaaah

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 September 2017 16:23 (eight years ago)

https://i.imgur.com/gSfq6wJ.jpg

Karl Malone, Friday, 8 September 2017 16:33 (eight years ago)

The president has told those close to him that he regrets choosing to tackle the repeal and replace of Barack Obama’s health care law as his first legislative push. He has singled out Ryan for blame, saying the speaker assured him it would pass and instead handed him an early, humiliating failure, before ultimate House passage of a revived bill, according to three White House and outside advisers familiar with the conversations but not authorized to speak about them publicly.

https://apnews.com/5020609d1ddb4eab9f8ff42fd9e03bd0

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 September 2017 16:41 (eight years ago)

Well, he is right about that, but he was stupid to believe it to begin with.

Frederik B, Friday, 8 September 2017 16:49 (eight years ago)

Tbf he is still stupid

Οὖτις, Friday, 8 September 2017 16:55 (eight years ago)

There's plenty of stupidity to go around.

"Celebration" encourages the listener to celebrate good times. (Dan Peterson), Friday, 8 September 2017 17:00 (eight years ago)

a buyer's market

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 September 2017 17:01 (eight years ago)

The president has told those close to him that he regrets choosing to tackle the repeal and replace of Barack Obama’s health care law as his first legislative push. He has singled out Ryan for blame, saying the speaker assured him it would pass and instead handed him an early, humiliating failure, before ultimate House passage of a revived bill, according to three White House and outside advisers familiar with the conversations but not authorized to speak about them publicly.

https://apnews.com/5020609d1ddb4eab9f8ff42fd9e03bd0

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, September 8, 2017 4:41 PM (twenty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

well wasn't the whole point to 'save' money in ocare repeal to get even more billions of dollars to give away to rich people in the form of tax relief?

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 8 September 2017 17:07 (eight years ago)

I believe that was the point for those who are capable of thinking two or three steps ahead of 'me want good thing happen now, make me look hero, make America something something'.

Higgs Bosom (Old Lunch), Friday, 8 September 2017 17:09 (eight years ago)

Yup

Οὖτις, Friday, 8 September 2017 17:10 (eight years ago)

W out Ocare repeal any tax cuts are gonna run up huge deficits

Οὖτις, Friday, 8 September 2017 17:11 (eight years ago)

The point of everything for Trump is to make him feel good about himself, full stop.

Higgs Bosom (Old Lunch), Friday, 8 September 2017 17:12 (eight years ago)

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-mar-a-lago-club-irma-20170908-story.html

Dean of the University (Latham Green), Friday, 8 September 2017 17:15 (eight years ago)

Back in the hood . . . Roma pic.twitter.com/p2f6dyhfcz

— Anthony Scaramucci (@Scaramucci) September 8, 2017

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 8 September 2017 17:45 (eight years ago)

That first comment just literally killed me.

Higgs Bosom (Old Lunch), Friday, 8 September 2017 18:18 (eight years ago)

Whacked, you might say.

Higgs Bosom (Old Lunch), Friday, 8 September 2017 18:18 (eight years ago)

How not to raise suspicion.

New Russian amb met with Trump today, per RT. Nothing about it on WH schedule released to press https://t.co/QFPRpsdwCx h/t @RobertBryan4

— Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) September 8, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 September 2017 19:26 (eight years ago)

I have never met with any Russians and my hands are yuge

Tegumai Bopsulai (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 8 September 2017 19:28 (eight years ago)

More fun!

NEW: CNN has obtained internal Trump Org docs related to Trump Tower Moscow. @GloriaBorger @Marshall_Cohen report https://t.co/bZF5EUxf0S

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) September 8, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 September 2017 20:00 (eight years ago)

Here we go

http://www.thedailybeast.com/mueller-wants-to-talk-to-hope-hicks-over-misleading-russia-statement

People familiar with the probe tell The Daily Beast that Hicks—the longtime Trump aide who is currently interim White House communications director—likely has information that will interest Mueller regarding Donald Trump Jr.’s initial claim that his meeting with the Kremlin-linked lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya was just about adoption.

“No doubt in my mind she is going to be a witness,” a source familiar with the Mueller probe told The Daily Beast.

On Friday, The Washington Post reported that Hicks wasn’t alone on Mueller’s radar. Former White House chief of staff Reince Priebus, former press secretary Sean Spicer, White House counsel Don McGahn, McGahn aide James Burnham, and Kushner aide and White House spokesman Josh Raffel are also expected to be questioned.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 September 2017 20:16 (eight years ago)

it's not a crime to lie to the press

Οὖτις, Friday, 8 September 2017 20:19 (eight years ago)

"Why AM I being questioned?"

"Mr. Spicer, you're just that much of a mark."

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 September 2017 20:22 (eight years ago)

In answer the question above, the Scholastic books book of the presidents with the new Trump entry stresses his celebrity and business stuff, but does mention his "controversial" wall stuff and anti Islamist rhetoric. There's also a sidebar on Pence, which stresses his "Christian" beliefs. Melania gets a page in the first lady book.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 8 September 2017 20:25 (eight years ago)

what do the Choose Your Own ADventure books about Trump say

Neanderthal, Friday, 8 September 2017 20:25 (eight years ago)

i missed when Ned's "here we go" became his "good mourning"

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 8 September 2017 20:35 (eight years ago)

To hurl Donald Trump off a cliff into javelins, turn to pg. 10.
To set Donald Trump on fire, turn to pg. 117.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 8 September 2017 20:36 (eight years ago)

flips to page 10, but fingers still on originating page jic

Neanderthal, Friday, 8 September 2017 20:47 (eight years ago)

i missed when Ned's "here we go" became his "good mourning"

It's part of the fun.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 September 2017 20:48 (eight years ago)

White House aides say Trump is freezing out Gary Cohn by employing a familiar tactic: refusing to make eye contact https://t.co/sdb738IUYV

— NYT Politics (@nytpolitics) September 8, 2017

mookieproof, Friday, 8 September 2017 21:42 (eight years ago)

alpha as fuck

Wesley Shackleton explained "look at that beast." (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 8 September 2017 22:03 (eight years ago)

“My personal view is we’ve got to start looking at single-payer. I think we should have hearings…. We’re getting there. It’s going to happen.”

That’s former Senator Max Baucus at a talk last night at Montana State University.

It’s no secret that single payer health insurance is getting more popular among Democrats. And Baucus was definitely not a supporter of single payer when he was a senator. But this doesn’t really capture the extent of it. Baucus was a critical player in passing Obamacare. And since Obamacare was and is a big step forward from where we were before Obamacare, that’s a great thing. But it is difficult to overstate the degree to which Baucus was a critical force among Senate Democrats preventing a more progressive version of Obamacare from becoming law.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/holy-crap-max-baucus-now-supports-single-payer

Karl Malone, Friday, 8 September 2017 22:06 (eight years ago)

glad that his position on single payer is finally "evolving"

Karl Malone, Friday, 8 September 2017 22:07 (eight years ago)

seen similar comments from Manchin, other folks that opposed single payer way back when

Οὖτις, Friday, 8 September 2017 22:10 (eight years ago)

better late than never, i suppose! now for that small thing about winning elections

Karl Malone, Friday, 8 September 2017 22:10 (eight years ago)

I remember the argument being made in 2008 that Obama's 12D-chess strategy was to get Obamacare through as a wedge that would eventually lead to single-payer. Regardless of whether or not that was his intention it does seem to be playing out that way.

Οὖτις, Friday, 8 September 2017 22:14 (eight years ago)

More Kremlinology. As it were.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/09/08/us/politics/john-kelly-white-house.html

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 September 2017 22:25 (eight years ago)

So sad:

It is Ms. Nielson who sends out the emails announcing internal policy and planning meetings that now contain a clipped addendum — “principals only” — with a stern warning that any subordinates who wander in will be immediately ejected.

She is also responsible for keeping Mr. Kelly’s no-fly list of aides he deems to be unfit to attend serious meetings, the most prominent of whom is Omarosa Manigault, the former “Apprentice” star with an ill-defined job and a penchant for dropping into meetings where she was not invited.

Throughout the White House, the circle of decision-making is shrinking, leaving staff members accustomed to wandering in and out of meetings — and the Oval Office — in a sour mood. And the feelings are not confined by the gates of the executive compound. Outside Trump advisers, accustomed to getting their calls briskly returned, are complaining that their phones have gone silent since Mr. Kelly took over six weeks ago.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 8 September 2017 22:26 (eight years ago)

lol

maura, Friday, 8 September 2017 22:37 (eight years ago)

what else is there to even say at this point

maura, Friday, 8 September 2017 22:38 (eight years ago)

can't hate too hard on Omarosa.. if I someone managed to fail my way into the goddamn white house I'd ride that crazy train until I was forced off.

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 8 September 2017 22:44 (eight years ago)

i think the fact that she's a vacuous know nothing who got where she is by sucking up is more than enough license to "hate"

maura, Friday, 8 September 2017 23:09 (eight years ago)

hahah yessss

Churches in Texas should be entitled to reimbursement from FEMA Relief Funds for helping victims of Hurricane Harvey (just like others).

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 9, 2017

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Saturday, 9 September 2017 01:11 (eight years ago)

I don't even get it.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 9 September 2017 01:13 (eight years ago)

imo the RR thinks it unfair that their grift is merely untaxed. they want some of that sweet govt cream for the effort.

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Saturday, 9 September 2017 01:17 (eight years ago)

Ah, clarity.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 9 September 2017 01:21 (eight years ago)

the worst people ever

maura, Saturday, 9 September 2017 02:05 (eight years ago)

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/08/house-republicans-ciriticize-steven-mnuchin-mick-mulvaney-242490

“If it wasn’t so serious it kind of would have been funny,” said Rep. Ryan Costello (R-Penn.)

j., Saturday, 9 September 2017 02:17 (eight years ago)

Poor little ones all

felix! phelix! ghelix! (Hunt3r), Saturday, 9 September 2017 03:05 (eight years ago)

Oh here's a treat:

https://www.axios.com/why-trump-hopes-the-new-trump-sticks-2483311761.html

A Trump adviser says that after a tumultuous seven months in office, it had finally dawned on the president: "People really f@&@ing hate me." For someone who has spent his life lapping up adulation, however fake, it was a harsh realization. This is a man with an especially acute need for affirmation.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 9 September 2017 15:31 (eight years ago)

He's going to be a hoot when he realizes that everyone permanently hates him no matter what he does

Karl Malone, Saturday, 9 September 2017 15:51 (eight years ago)

what would be the most admirable course for him forthwith? resign immediately?

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 9 September 2017 16:50 (eight years ago)

from the planet, yes

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Saturday, 9 September 2017 16:50 (eight years ago)

Suicide

Οὖτις, Saturday, 9 September 2017 16:53 (eight years ago)

The House Republican caucus is slowly reverting to its most comfortable position, as the opposition party.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 9 September 2017 16:53 (eight years ago)

They are immediately going to draft Articles of Impeachment against Obama

Neanderthal, Saturday, 9 September 2017 16:56 (eight years ago)

if nobody else is running on the Fuck Everything platform, then I will. Remember I said this.

El Tomboto, Saturday, 9 September 2017 17:20 (eight years ago)

you might be primaried by

https://media.tenor.com/images/e32da5dd7be2b8625b5771e6ea903428/tenor.gif

Neanderthal, Saturday, 9 September 2017 17:23 (eight years ago)

Trump: There are good folks at Nazi rallies

Everyone: WTF?

*4 weeks pass*

NYT & WaPo: Trump is a pragmatic independent looking for wins

— johnknefel (@johnknefel) September 10, 2017

Wichita prepares for totality (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 10 September 2017 11:00 (eight years ago)

he seems to have so much money = he is a talented and intelligent american / deserves the benefit of the doubt, no matter what

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 10 September 2017 14:55 (eight years ago)

Republican (Party) direction: goin' home?

Two moderate House Republicans announced surprise retirements this week, quickening the pulse of Republicans waiting to see if a wave of retirements will jeopardize the party’s path to holding the House majority in 2018.

As President Trump fuels uncertainty in Washington and his low approval rating raises question about whether the GOP can hold the House, there’s concern among Republicans that lawmakers facing tough reelection campaigns might begin to take the road of least resistance and retire.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/349884-gop-fears-a-few-surprise-house-retirements-could-become-a-wave

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 10 September 2017 15:15 (eight years ago)

https://i.imgur.com/lpdsMs5.jpg

Karl Malone, Sunday, 10 September 2017 19:39 (eight years ago)

neither roosevelt was a russian vassal iirc

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 10 September 2017 19:45 (eight years ago)

Theodorov Rooseveltski

Neanderthal, Sunday, 10 September 2017 19:45 (eight years ago)

Countdown to Trump tweet: "Dem F. D. R. met with Russians too. Big conference in palace, but Fake News doesn't talk about!"

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 10 September 2017 19:47 (eight years ago)

would reagan have spent the night at moscow trump hotelski? ah, fuck it. tax cuts!

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 10 September 2017 20:02 (eight years ago)

More lawyering up

BREAKING: @Law360 reports: Priebus, McGahn Hire Attorney William Burck In Mueller Probe https://t.co/10kDahFT8H

— Evan Rosenfeld (@Evan_Rosenfeld) September 10, 2017

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 10 September 2017 20:37 (eight years ago)

Ah yeah, this'll go over well.

Scoop: Sessions has floated the idea of putting the entire NSC staff through a lie detector test to find leakershttps://t.co/UrTxH01IB4

— Axios (@axios) September 10, 2017

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 10 September 2017 22:22 (eight years ago)

Ignore the fact that all those folks know how to pass a polygraph like a champ

El Tomboto, Sunday, 10 September 2017 22:59 (eight years ago)

And spend most of their days with their phones in a little cabinet locker in the foyer

El Tomboto, Sunday, 10 September 2017 23:00 (eight years ago)

this sounds like SUCH a trump solution, to a problem that is a total trump obsession. hmmmmmmm.

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 10 September 2017 23:23 (eight years ago)

the sooner he goes the better, shame he isn't his effigy really.
So wonder how long it's going to be.

Stevolende, Sunday, 10 September 2017 23:32 (eight years ago)

if you could stop posting in this thread, that would be very much appreciated

sleeve, Sunday, 10 September 2017 23:38 (eight years ago)

you have absolutely nothing to offer except painfully stupid questions that have no answers

sleeve, Sunday, 10 September 2017 23:39 (eight years ago)

sounds like SOMEONE'S got a bad case of the mondays! and a day early!!

j., Sunday, 10 September 2017 23:43 (eight years ago)

seriously if I can tolerate all of you people who think you're so smart, then you, sleeve, can learn to tolerate mr "i make my own paisley trousers and they look awesome" stevolende

El Tomboto, Sunday, 10 September 2017 23:57 (eight years ago)

apologies, this thread makes me crazy, that was out of line

I wish we had a separate Trump-venting thread sometimes, that's all

I also wish I could answer the questions!

sleeve, Monday, 11 September 2017 00:06 (eight years ago)

happy president trump's first 9/11 eve

maura, Monday, 11 September 2017 00:59 (eight years ago)

I get paid tomorrow, love 9/11

.oO (silby), Monday, 11 September 2017 01:09 (eight years ago)

Stevolende is a not American fwiw and I think that's why he has a lot of questions about American politics that might seem basic to somebody in the US. I personally don't know shit about U.K. politics for example

marcos, Monday, 11 September 2017 01:23 (eight years ago)

also i don't see YOU making trousers, where would you even start

j., Monday, 11 September 2017 01:28 (eight years ago)

probably just go to a trouser store, sorry shop, or shoppe, whatever they have in the uk

j., Monday, 11 September 2017 01:29 (eight years ago)

I make my trousers one leg at a time, just like everyone else

El Tomboto, Monday, 11 September 2017 02:19 (eight years ago)

Thread is slacks only zone

felix! phelix! ghelix! (Hunt3r), Monday, 11 September 2017 02:23 (eight years ago)

Trump, October 2017: King Trumpy Meets Dockers Uptown

Wichita prepares for totality (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 11 September 2017 03:17 (eight years ago)

Heh.

earlnash, Monday, 11 September 2017 03:38 (eight years ago)

"ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius)
Posted: September 10, 2017 at 10:15:31 AM
Republican (Party) direction: goin' home?

Two moderate House Republicans announced surprise retirements this week, quickening the pulse of Republicans waiting to see if a wave of retirements will jeopardize the party’s path to holding the House majority in 2018.

As President Trump fuels uncertainty in Washington and his low approval rating raises question about whether the GOP can hold the House, there’s concern among Republicans that lawmakers facing tough reelection campaigns might begin to take the road of least resistance and retire.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/349884-gop-fears-a-few-surprise-house-retirements-could-become-a-wave";

*searches folders for maracas.jpg*

jjjusten, Monday, 11 September 2017 03:50 (eight years ago)

Dave Reichert was a piece of shit. Good riddance.

tha frash prance (alomar lines), Monday, 11 September 2017 04:19 (eight years ago)

Stevolende is a not American fwiw and I think that's why he has a lot of questions about American politics that might seem basic to somebody in the US.

iirc sleeve has previously expressed the sentiment that this thread should only be open to americans, so I'm guessing s/he is aware stevolende is not an american. AMERICA FIRST!

Cyndi Larper (stevie), Monday, 11 September 2017 07:23 (eight years ago)

Here to call bullshit on that: people around the world are affected by what this jerk does - comment away!

kim jong deal (suzy), Monday, 11 September 2017 07:37 (eight years ago)

happy president trump's first 9/11 eve

it's heeeeeeeere

also the fifth anniversary of benghazi, folks

stoked for the madness

Wesley Shackleton explained "look at that beast." (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 11 September 2017 08:13 (eight years ago)

also, good luck usa

Wesley Shackleton explained "look at that beast." (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 11 September 2017 08:13 (eight years ago)

Stevolende also doesn't know shit about UK politics, for the record.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 11 September 2017 08:19 (eight years ago)

I was thinking sole benefit of having Sessions as AG was that he had supposedly recused himself from anything to do with Russia investigation. So couldn't be leveraged into firing Mueller and might be replaced by somebody who could be.
Meanwhile he's continued to pull odious shite including being vocally pro destroying DACA and this new lie detector shite.
Sounds like Mueller is now more securely in place and continually getting results though do wish findings were more imminent while the orange idiot is still causing seemingly endless catastrophe.
So would love to hear Sessions was about to be toppled like his effigy was over the weekend. As I was saying last night.
Would also love to hear Nunes, Wray, Ryan, McConnell and all the Trump appointees were out. & that important govt staffing was in place lead by people with some appreciation of what their roles were supposed to be. & that they were supposed to be servants and representatives of the public not exploiting position. Do we have another 3 1/4 years of this BS. & yes it does effect the rest of the planet I live on.

Stevolende, Monday, 11 September 2017 08:26 (eight years ago)

poop boy's big interview:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-breitbart-steve-bannon-declares-war-on-the-gop/

scott seward, Monday, 11 September 2017 13:33 (eight years ago)

Hey, what say we stop using this thread to be unnecessary dickholes toward other ILXors. How bout it. Or if you need to pigpile, follow sleeve's example and direct it at me.

Scott Staph (Old Lunch), Monday, 11 September 2017 13:44 (eight years ago)

I'll just continue ignoring andrew farrell cos i think he's an utter twat who's head over heels in love with himself. But there you go

Stevolende, Monday, 11 September 2017 14:16 (eight years ago)

Gloves off

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Monday, 11 September 2017 14:18 (eight years ago)

Nah, he's got a point.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 11 September 2017 14:31 (eight years ago)

Started with a bang ended with a crimper

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Monday, 11 September 2017 14:49 (eight years ago)

The new Miss America blasted Yam for leaving the climate accord.

I believe beauty queens are our future.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 September 2017 14:55 (eight years ago)

what's the word for the feeling that miss america would make a better president than the one currently in office

here's how **takes sip of duck urine** economics works (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 11 September 2017 14:57 (eight years ago)

Runway Syndrome

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 September 2017 15:00 (eight years ago)

Melania didn't win, did she?

frogbs, Monday, 11 September 2017 15:20 (eight years ago)

Fitting, now that the vanguard of independent journalism is now Teen Vogue

Tegumai Bopsulai (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 11 September 2017 15:22 (eight years ago)

Not even hiring a Michael Jackson impersonator is going to distract from the shite he's coming out with pic.twitter.com/Ps5Q0dXwkS

— Nooruddean (@BeardedGenius) September 10, 2017

badg, Monday, 11 September 2017 15:33 (eight years ago)

A touch of the Gadaffi about that.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 11 September 2017 15:57 (eight years ago)

JUST IN: GOP Michigan @repdavetrott will not seek reelection: pic.twitter.com/zrdb3vwN5R

— Frank Thorp V (@frankthorp) September 11, 2017

Ned Raggett, Monday, 11 September 2017 16:42 (eight years ago)

The new Miss America blasted Yam for leaving the climate accord.

I believe beauty queens are our future.

Not only that, Ms. Texas blasted him about Charlottesville.

MS. TEXAS!

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 11 September 2017 16:58 (eight years ago)

musta been from austin

j., Monday, 11 September 2017 17:00 (eight years ago)

Houston, but went to UT in Austin

http://missamerica.org/miss-america-2018-contestants/miss-texas-2017-margana-wood/

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 11 September 2017 17:06 (eight years ago)

how old are the stars, really?

http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/350040-russian-pol-us-intelligence-missed-it-while-russian-intelligence-stole

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 11 September 2017 17:30 (eight years ago)

icymi

At The Pentagon, President Trump is now talking through a scheduled moment of silence.

— David Gura (@davidgura) September 11, 2017

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 September 2017 17:35 (eight years ago)

italianchefkiss.gif

here's how **takes sip of duck urine** economics works (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 11 September 2017 18:26 (eight years ago)

it was the quietest of moments of silence, really amazing

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Monday, 11 September 2017 18:29 (eight years ago)

boy can you believe this moment of silence, it's really something isn't it.

nomar, Monday, 11 September 2017 18:39 (eight years ago)

everyone will tell you this, just ask anybody, I am the most silent president in history

Οὖτις, Monday, 11 September 2017 18:41 (eight years ago)

Some people say Coolidge but I heard people say he was really much more talkative than you would think, surprising actually

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Monday, 11 September 2017 18:42 (eight years ago)

apparently the wingnuts are furious he didn't say "radical Islam"

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 September 2017 18:43 (eight years ago)

(Yam, not Coolidge)

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 11 September 2017 18:43 (eight years ago)

tbd the wing nuts are probably mad Coolidge never said it too.

nomar, Monday, 11 September 2017 18:45 (eight years ago)

Maybe it's just Walter Becker's recent passing, but now I have "radical Islam" stuck in my head to the tune of "Babylon Sisters."

Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Monday, 11 September 2017 18:46 (eight years ago)

Rad-i-cal is-lam
SAY IT

nomar, Monday, 11 September 2017 18:47 (eight years ago)

“Mr. President I’ve made a large bet that I would be able to make you say more than two words.” Coolidge considered this proposition carefully and then replied slowly and emphatically, “Radical Islam.”

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 11 September 2017 18:48 (eight years ago)

lol

Doctor Casino, Monday, 11 September 2017 19:05 (eight years ago)

seriously though on the talking-through-the-moment-of-silence tip, i am still SO MAD that he did not go permanently blind from staring at the eclipse

Doctor Casino, Monday, 11 September 2017 19:06 (eight years ago)

Just sayin'... pic.twitter.com/Qbj6D7pFMc

— Duncan Jones (@ManMadeMoon) September 11, 2017

Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Monday, 11 September 2017 19:10 (eight years ago)

holy shit

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 11 September 2017 19:14 (eight years ago)

explains a lot really

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Monday, 11 September 2017 19:16 (eight years ago)

nailed it, holy shit

here's how **takes sip of duck urine** economics works (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 11 September 2017 19:17 (eight years ago)

Jeet wrote a thing:

https://newrepublic.com/article/144767/gullible-press-pushing-independent-trump-fantasy

Hit to Death in the "Galactic Head" (kingfish), Monday, 11 September 2017 21:51 (eight years ago)

Coolidge was a nasty wit.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 00:24 (eight years ago)

Hm...

NEW: Some of Trump legal team in June concluded Kushner should step down amid Russia probe + aired concerns w/Trump https://t.co/pjlWcdMNNr

— Rebecca Ballhaus (@rebeccaballhaus) September 12, 2017

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 00:36 (eight years ago)

I'm delighted that after 27 hours without electricity nothing has changed.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 00:55 (eight years ago)

even if it was 27 days

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 01:16 (eight years ago)

Kushner looks like Dr No

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 05:25 (eight years ago)

I'm not on the Twitter, but apparently Cruz (or a hacker...but let's say Ted himself) liked a porn vid and a field day is now happening: https://twitter.com/search?q=ted+cruz+twitter&ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Esearch

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 05:26 (eight years ago)

https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21686339_10105654855456227_3444096904076663169_n.jpg?oh=a6cd1e3403541be9a5f95bdd44dbb47b&oe=5A1D9A79

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 05:28 (eight years ago)

@CarterCruz

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 05:30 (eight years ago)

Really Ted, this is how you commemorate 9/11!???

frogbs, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 13:05 (eight years ago)

#neverforget

http://brokeassstuart.com/wp-content/pictsnShit/2016/05/ted-cruz.jpg

here's how **takes sip of duck urine** economics works (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 13:32 (eight years ago)

Baby Fishmouth

Scott Staph (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 13:35 (eight years ago)

Art! Deal!

Trump has approached Schumer about trading Dreamer protections for a border wall — tho he might settle for less. https://t.co/I3QOZsS9iZ pic.twitter.com/OGhStPmdBf

— Ashley Parker (@AshleyRParker) September 12, 2017

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 13:36 (eight years ago)

A nice picket fence, perhaps?

Scott Staph (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 13:37 (eight years ago)

Right after she lawyered up!

Hope Hicks, who was named interim WH communications director in Aug, will now hold the job on a permanent basis, the WH confirms to CNN.

— Teddy Davis (@TeddyDavisCNN) September 12, 2017

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 13:38 (eight years ago)

always good to make it clear at the start of any negotiation that you're immediately willing to make concessions xp

here's how **takes sip of duck urine** economics works (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 13:38 (eight years ago)

hee hee

https://out.reddit.com/t3_6zm8ea?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpbs.twimg.com%2Fmedia%2FDJgMLL-UQAAv9Ov.jpg&token=AQAAQ_K3WZhyeG-1An92xnzeTRWJyXmTaU4v1hhhao3p3sQgI5Hc&app_name=reddit.com

here's how **takes sip of duck urine** economics works (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 13:43 (eight years ago)

Cruz's college roommate has weighed in and I'm officially dead https://t.co/HADcNjtS8g

— Ted Cruz Honkin Off (@dubsteppenwolf) September 12, 2017

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 13:47 (eight years ago)

congratulations to ted cruz on his pivot to video

— the results getter (@IllyBocean) September 12, 2017

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 13:50 (eight years ago)

this is so much better than covfefe day

frogbs, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 13:51 (eight years ago)

Having a beautiful dream where Ted Cruz is the third Dem pickup in 2018 now. Poetic justice.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 14:00 (eight years ago)

republicans may be corrupt russian double agent perverts, but liberals are smug and can't take a joke. freedom. maga

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 14:05 (eight years ago)

i'm vaguely pleased that ted cruz seems to be into vanilla-ish porn starring a woman who looks a bit like his wife instead of the the soup-slathered hentai filth i'd have assumed was his favoured jacking material

this may be the most humanising thing he's ever done

here's how **takes sip of duck urine** economics works (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 14:06 (eight years ago)

i'm vaguely pleased that ted cruz seems to be into vanilla-ish porn starring a woman who looks a bit like his wife instead of the the soup-slathered hentai filth i'd have assumed was his favoured jacking material

This is the only video he "liked." Maybe it took a while to get there. "Tentacle porn? Yuck, don't like!"

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 14:09 (eight years ago)

The phrase "soup-slathered hentai filth" has made my day

Tegumai Bopsulai (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 14:59 (eight years ago)

https://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/ted-cruz-renounce-citizenship_70638_990x742.jpg

here's how **takes sip of duck urine** economics works (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 15:01 (eight years ago)

Squamous Pornstars of Filthland

Scott Staph (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 15:04 (eight years ago)

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/7xkzbg/five-questions-about-ted-cruz-faving-porn-on-twitter?utm_campaign=global

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 15:04 (eight years ago)

It's all been downhill for Ted since his famous appearance in Point Break.

Evan, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 15:13 (eight years ago)

i don't really know how twitter works but my assumption is he has another, 'burner' account where he faves this and much worse on a daily basis, and he just didn't realize which one he was logged in as. oopsie! could happen to anybody.

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 15:15 (eight years ago)

spyin' ted

crüt, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 15:22 (eight years ago)

kudos

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 15:22 (eight years ago)

there's a lot of different ways this could have happened, really, up to and including the possibility that this is a false flag operation to persuade us that ted isn't all about that soup-slathered hentai filth, in which case i've been 100% duped, damn u ted

here's how **takes sip of duck urine** economics works (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 15:23 (eight years ago)

Why do people "like" or "fave" or "thumbs up" anything online? Is that like a bookmark?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 15:30 (eight years ago)

i mean when it's your friends' photos or something it just means you like it and want them to know... brighten their day. maybe that's how ted feels about these fine american videographers.

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 15:34 (eight years ago)

I think it's like a "Thank You!"

Mark G, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 15:34 (eight years ago)

To show their approval and share with friends or followers? To shape the content that gets pushed to them?

If you found a sweet porn video, wouldn't you want the whole world to know?

Moodles, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 15:36 (eight years ago)

just a little 'tip of the hat' if u will to @sexuallposts

here's how **takes sip of duck urine** economics works (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 15:36 (eight years ago)

he wanted to show his love for the real "Reality King," Jesus

crüt, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 15:38 (eight years ago)

Thumbs up, sexuallposts!

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 15:38 (eight years ago)

just a little 'tip of the hat' if u will to @sexuallposts

I read that as "tip of the jimmy hat"

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 15:39 (eight years ago)

well there goes my breakfast

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 15:41 (eight years ago)

I figure if I'm already friends with or following someone, that's kind of all the affirmation I feel I need to give. I like my friends a lot, but it would be super weird if every time I saw them I was all "I like you a lot!" Like, what am I going to do with your kids photo you posted on Facebook, give it a thumbs down? Facebook and twitter and stuff should implement star ratings. "I give this pre-schooler's homemade Halloween costume 4 stars!'

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 15:41 (eight years ago)

I like my friends a lot, but it would be super weird if every time I saw them I was all "I like you a lot!"

fake friend imo

here's how **takes sip of duck urine** economics works (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 15:42 (eight years ago)

It'd be hilarious if after lunch with a buddy I was all "thumbs down, way down!"

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 15:44 (eight years ago)

Guys, let's give him the benefit of the doubt, it was probably an unintentional 'like' initiated by Cruzjaculate spattering the phone screen or something.

Scott Staph (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 15:44 (eight years ago)

Maybe it was a fragment and he was trying to say "like watching the devil at work" or something, then was shocked and disappointed there was no "watching the devil at work" option to click. And then he got distracted, because watching porn.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 15:45 (eight years ago)

Cruzjaculate

FLAG POST FLAG POST FLAG POST

here's how **takes sip of duck urine** economics works (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 15:46 (eight years ago)

It is a real failing of FB and Twitter that you can't dislike a post.

Moodles, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 15:53 (eight years ago)

I'd hit that button all day long

Moodles, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 15:54 (eight years ago)

Meanwhile

https://www.axios.com/mueller-haunts-the-west-wing-2484317509.html

White House aides with legal exposure to these events have quickly reached four conclusions, according to conversations with Jonathan Swan and me:

Mueller is burrowing in hard on the obstruction of justice angle.

The "angry, meandering" draft White House justification for firing Comey — which was never released, but obtained by Mueller — could be used as evidence of Trump's unvarnished thinking when venting to staff.

Legal fees, with white-collar attorneys charging $1,000 an hour, get cripplingly expensive pretty quick. Watch for outside legal defense funds to pop up quickly.

The investigation's financial dimensions are worrisome. The focus on Michael Cohen, a Trump lawyer and confidant whose business dealings are intertwined with the president's, has been particularly troubling for those in Trump's close orbit. Cohen dealt with some colorful characters. And when plans for the Trump Tower in Moscow are fully picked apart, other questionable Russian characters may be drawn in.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 15:56 (eight years ago)

xp used to be able to after liking a post

but you'd have to explain the joke after

nxd, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 15:56 (eight years ago)

Aren't there thumbs downs or something? I think YouTube has thumbs down. I'll watch some instructional guitar video or something where a really nice guy does a really thorough job explaining some guitar part, and like 10,000 people give it thumbs up and three give it a thumbs down, and I think, who are those three assholes? They can't all be Ted Cruz, can they?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 15:56 (eight years ago)

Answer: probably.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 15:56 (eight years ago)

ted cruz's three assholes: an anthology of eldritch erotica

here's how **takes sip of duck urine** economics works (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 15:59 (eight years ago)

Why do people "like" or "fave" or "thumbs up" anything online? Is that like a bookmark?

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, September 12, 2017 10:30 AM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

a lot of the time, i do use twitter likes as a bookmark. without likes, how the fuck am i ever gonna find a specific tweet again?

rock and roll tucci coo (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 16:00 (eight years ago)

then again, most of the time i could just google "fuck em up socrates" and find what i'm looking for

rock and roll tucci coo (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 16:01 (eight years ago)

Ted is blaming a staffer.

“We’re dealing with it internally, but it was a mistake, it was not malicious conduct,” Cruz said.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 16:40 (eight years ago)

Stiff assues

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 16:41 (eight years ago)

We’re dealing with it internally

hawt

here's how **takes sip of duck urine** economics works (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 16:43 (eight years ago)

sounds like a full and open probe might be called for

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 16:44 (eight years ago)

So the Ted Cruz porn shows someone spying on two young lovers in the throes of passion... good lord boys we've cracked this case wide open pic.twitter.com/10u2D9WXkr

— jay👁👁👁kang (@jaycaspiankang) September 12, 2017

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 16:48 (eight years ago)

I'd hit that button all day long

you and Ted

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 16:51 (eight years ago)

Aren't there thumbs downs or something? I think YouTube has thumbs down. I'll watch some instructional guitar video or something where a really nice guy does a really thorough job explaining some guitar part, and like 10,000 people give it thumbs up and three give it a thumbs down, and I think, who are those three assholes? They can't all be Ted Cruz, can they?

even stranger when Sesame Street videos get like 50k dislikes

frogbs, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 17:06 (eight years ago)

People reports:

It’s a boy for Eric and Lara Trump. The couple welcomed a son on Tuesday, Sept. 12, the new dad announced on Twitter. The baby boy joins the couple’s dogs Charlie and Ben, plus eight cousins — Eric’s brother Don Jr. has five kids with his wife Vanessa, while sister Ivanka has three with husband Jared Kushner.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 17:16 (eight years ago)

*a couple of years later*

"Mom...I did have a dad, right? And a grandpa?"

"You've been my little Rick Jones, from birth!"

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 17:20 (eight years ago)

do they get trusteeship of the grandkids' inheritances or something

j., Tuesday, 12 September 2017 17:21 (eight years ago)

Will Ted Cruz get in trouble because the porn he tweeted wasn't underage or homosexual?

— Alex Jones (@RealAlexJones) September 12, 2017

Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 17:21 (eight years ago)

i'm confused by that one. he's he making a joke, or...

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 17:24 (eight years ago)

Yeah, at a loss here.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 17:25 (eight years ago)

He's ~testing the waters~

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 17:26 (eight years ago)

I wonder if grandpa even knows how many grandkids he has?

Anyway, can't wait until everyone starts fighting over the will.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 17:26 (eight years ago)

that is a Huckabee level take right there

frogbs, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 17:27 (eight years ago)

Ted Cruz's will is written on the back on a page of Ephesians and has JFK's blood on it

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 17:27 (eight years ago)

The "staffing issue" excuse reminds me that when I worked at a porn magazine I once used the phrase "take a position on my staff" when writing copy for a job-interview-gone-XXX photo set.

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 17:29 (eight years ago)

that thought has actually brought me some joy. would be great if in some weird twist of dementia fuelled spite trump left everything to actual legit charities.

um xposts

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 17:29 (eight years ago)

Trump's going to leave everything to himself.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 17:31 (eight years ago)

I have continued to assume that his existence is funded by debt and most of the things he "owns" are just barely getting paid off by cash flow from other heavily leveraged investments. There won't be anything in the will besides obligations.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 17:43 (eight years ago)

His will is just going to say "I'm sorry" and then list the location of a bunch of unmarked graves.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 17:44 (eight years ago)

never really considered at what age those kids can sign enforceable NDAs til now.

felix! phelix! ghelix! (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 17:48 (eight years ago)

he's not sorry

xp

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 17:49 (eight years ago)

I'm the most dead person you've ever met.

Scott Staph (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 18:11 (eight years ago)

I've actually been dead - most people don't know this - but I was actually the first person, ever, to die, which is pretty surprising when you think about it.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 18:13 (eight years ago)

I'm not dead, you're dead!

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 18:13 (eight years ago)

wait i'm confused has he died?

Cyndi Larper (stevie), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 19:05 (eight years ago)

only on the inside

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 19:08 (eight years ago)

...and most of the outside.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 19:46 (eight years ago)

fake death!

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 19:48 (eight years ago)

Failing life!

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 19:53 (eight years ago)

lowest energy

harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 20:32 (eight years ago)

So what's this about Sanders slandering Comey just now?

Cyndi Larper (stevie), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 20:36 (eight years ago)

lol: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/12/mitch-mcconnell-congress-debt-ceiling-vote-242603

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 20:36 (eight years ago)

Sen Blobfish to Trump: "Make whatever 'deal' you want with Chuck and Nancy, I don't give a shit and I run the Senate"

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 20:37 (eight years ago)

All true, but the closer it gets to primaries...

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 20:53 (eight years ago)

that is a Huckabee level take right there

You know, speaking of

Leave @tedcruz alone! He didn't like PORN-he liked CORN and it was his first overture to Iowa voters for 2020! Sheesh! Case closed!

— Gov. Mike Huckabee (@GovMikeHuckabee) September 12, 2017

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 20:59 (eight years ago)

Bitter pettiness, the compact edition

And "if" I won the lottery I'd be rich: Hillary: ‘If I Had Won, I Would Have Been Seen As A Genius’ https://t.co/4cLD34I380 via @dailycaller

— Sean Spicer (@seanspicer) September 12, 2017

If a million more people had attended, it would have been the largest inaugural ever. https://t.co/zbvGFjoq3U

— David Frum (@davidfrum) September 12, 2017

Cute https://t.co/YfWOzqBLKQ

— Sean Spicer (@seanspicer) September 12, 2017

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 21:01 (eight years ago)

All true, but the closer it gets to primaries...

wait are you implying that McConnell is gonna get primaried? cuz lol

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 21:05 (eight years ago)

Fuck no, I mean more Bannon's kamikaze effort.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 21:06 (eight years ago)

primaries are gonna be a mess for the GOP but I really don't see them losing the Senate. McConnell's place is secure for the next few years.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 21:12 (eight years ago)

Meantime

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/cory-chase-ted-cruz-porn_us_59b7fc1ee4b027c149e2bd37

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 21:13 (eight years ago)

And more fun! On the one hand this seems obvious, on the other...it probably does need to be underscored with this crew.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/12/trump-russia-investigation-loyalty-242570

As special counsel Robert Mueller and congressional investigators prepare to question high-ranking aides — including Hope Hicks, Reince Priebus and Sean Spicer — in the coming weeks, Trump’s long history of demanding his employees’ complete loyalty is being put to the test.

But Trump stalwarts know the president is closely following the media coverage of the Russia case — and the last thing they want is to be deemed a turncoat whose answers end up becoming further fuel for investigators.

Several of the lawyers representing current and former aides told POLITICO they’re actively warning their clients that any bonds connecting them to Trump won’t protect them from criminal charges if federal prosecutors can nail them for perjury, making false statements or obstruction of justice.

“What I always tell clients is you can’t protect anybody. You can only hurt yourself,” said a lawyer representing a client involved in the Russia probe. The attorney added that any overt attempts to protect Trump will raise wider suspicions of a cover-up, making matters “worse for everybody.”

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 21:19 (eight years ago)

was gonna share that huckabee tweet but i was sure that it was a fake

rock and roll tucci coo (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 21:20 (eight years ago)

Ted Cruz watching porn and is the perfect setup for a devastating Iowa/corn joke.

jmm, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 21:35 (eight years ago)

https://media.tenor.co/images/b3c05794a82522374315a081f9741787/raw

nomar, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 21:44 (eight years ago)

https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21740146_10213287568811204_2879072480721677134_n.jpg?oh=64500ef1c536864b7ebdabec31a894e7&oe=5A571627

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 21:58 (eight years ago)

Getting strange out there

McConnell tied superPAC issues statement bashing Steve Bannon on Comey pic.twitter.com/ChCOo1Li1I

— Ben Jacobs (@Bencjacobs) September 12, 2017

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 22:46 (eight years ago)

ugh this is all going to boil down to 'who you going to believe two men who dedicated their entire lives to government service and justice or the world's dumbest man and foremost liar and con artist' isnt it

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 22:52 (eight years ago)

Well, yes.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 22:54 (eight years ago)

Comey has primarily dedicated his career to himself tbf

xp

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 22:58 (eight years ago)

which has definitely involved gov't service but "justice" is pushing it

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 22:59 (eight years ago)

I think I've found a logical end-result of a mindset

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJj2X1GVwAA6cSE.jpg:large

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 12 September 2017 23:26 (eight years ago)

LEAVE TRUMPNEY ALONE

Cheds Baker (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 12 September 2017 23:28 (eight years ago)

here's today's WEST WING READS propaganda mailer

"Trump Plans Aggressive Road Show to Sell Tax Overhaul"
- Jennifer Jacobs & Justin Sink, Bloomberg

Bloomberg News reports the White House is rearranging its communication shop to do battle on the tax reform front. The President is planning to visit as many as 13 states in the next seven weeks, selling the need of tax reform to the American public. The strategy is for the President to visit states he won where a Democratic senator is up for re-election next year, including Florida, Indiana, Michigan, Montana, Ohio, and Pennsylvania, Bloomberg reported. “In some instances, cabinet members will be deployed behind Trump in a ‘second wave’ after the president’s speeches and town hall meetings to amplify his message,” Bloomberg wrote.
Click here to read more
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In The Washington Times former SBA Administrator Hector Barreto highlights the importance of tax reform to small business owners and Latino business owners, saying that given his private sector experience they “believe that Mr. Trump understands them and speaks their language.”
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In The Hill, the Independent Women’s Forum’s Carrie Lukas and the Job Creators Network Foundation’s Elaine Parker write that tax reform would greatly benefit women small business owners, saying lowering the rate on small businesses will “provide female entrepreneurs with the opportunity to grow their businesses and expand their economic footprint — which will lead to greater economic prosperity for all Americans.”
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In Obamacare news, The Washington Free Beacon reports that “out-of-pocket costs for specialty drugs under the Affordable Care Act increased 16 percent from 2016 to 2017, according to a report from HealthPocket.”
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And regarding the education department’s action on Title IX, the New Hampshire Union Leader editorial board endorses Secretary DeVos’ action to restore due process in college sexual assault cases by reversing Obama-era Title IX guidelines.

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 03:04 (eight years ago)

What is happening pic.twitter.com/JsesZyCFn3

— Jason Howerton (@jason_howerton) September 13, 2017

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 03:49 (eight years ago)

YYYYESSS!!!

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 03:54 (eight years ago)

Sure why not

Hit to Death in the "Galactic Head" (kingfish), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 04:46 (eight years ago)

Comey has primarily dedicated his career to himself tbf which has definitely involved gov't service but "justice" is pushing it

Shakey... otm

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 05:53 (eight years ago)

I admit I LOL'ed.

Join us. pic.twitter.com/ZJUoLHa8xm

— Mдтт Иegяiи 🔮 (@MattNegrin) September 13, 2017

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 13:55 (eight years ago)

I mean, yes and no -- he replaced Scalia, who almost certainly would have ruled the same way were he still alive. (I take the larger point, obviously, but this goes under 'about what I figured.')

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 14:41 (eight years ago)

yeah but mannnnn it's hard not to imagine an alternate world where obama got his rightful appointment through. i was never exactly thrilled with garland, but on this other Earth, everything Trump does would have in the background "almost certain to be overturned eventually by a 5-4 court."

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 14:46 (eight years ago)

no reasons given! amazing. a decision with literally zero legal reasoning.

in other news
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/9/12/1698074/-OOOOk-lahoma-where-the-Democratic-pickups-come-sweeping-down-the-plain

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 15:41 (eight years ago)

I think this should go in this thread... Two films at the Toronto fest 'read' for their of-the-moment implications, the Liam Neeson-as-Mark Felt drama and an Obama foreign policy doc.

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/9/12/16277266/tiff-politics-final-year-mark-felt-trump-review

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 16:32 (eight years ago)

I hope the Democratic pickups at the state level continue and that some of it turns into a few more states enacting the NPVIC

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 16:41 (eight years ago)

Meanwhile in the Trumpcare Wars

Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, the onetime candidate for the Democratic presidential nomination, proposed what he called “a Medicare-for-all, single-payer health care system,” and he said 15 Democratic senators supported it.

“Instead of wasting hundreds of billions of dollars trying to administer an enormously complicated system of hundreds of separate insurance plans, there would be one insurance plan for the American people with one single payer,” said a summary of the bill prepared by Mr. Sanders’s office.

It will never happen Bernie!

Dean of the University (Latham Green), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 16:53 (eight years ago)

not during this congress

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 16:54 (eight years ago)

symbols/noise is important

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 17:04 (eight years ago)

Very.

Meantime!

Mike Flynn's son subject of fed investigation https://t.co/Ty1KQlOETr via @nbcnews @carolelee @juliaeainsley @kendilanianNBC

— Courtney Kube (@ckubeNBC) September 13, 2017

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 17:11 (eight years ago)

yeah I get why Sanders et al are doing it and don't begrudge them at all, but let's not pretend this has any hope of passage because it doesn't.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 17:12 (eight years ago)

i have conducted an unofficial investigation of michael flynn's son and determined with 99% confidence that he is an irredeemable asshole

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 17:13 (eight years ago)

I was wondering who would start calling Sessions's bluff on this subject on the GOP side, but I'm honestly surprised it was this guy.

He really said “It’s high time” https://t.co/ekwfhT7IeD

— Ty Schalter (@tyschalter) September 13, 2017

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 17:13 (eight years ago)

yeah I get why Sanders et al are doing it and don't begrudge them at all, but let's not pretend this has any hope of passage because it doesn't.

literally no one is arguing that

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 17:15 (eight years ago)

If I recall Hatch has a huge Lobby in his ass about medical supplements,herbs, healing unproven placebo stuff from Utah

Dean of the University (Latham Green), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 17:17 (eight years ago)

and it's not the point either. Joe Fucking Manchin now endorses some form of Medicaid expansion or single payer.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 17:17 (eight years ago)

xpost

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 17:17 (eight years ago)

AT least Bernie and Trump can agree abotu the pronunciation of YUGE

Dean of the University (Latham Green), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 17:18 (eight years ago)

Latham Green's "it'll never happen Bernie!" wasn't sarcastic?

xxp

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 17:18 (eight years ago)

Well this is deeply fucked:

Employees at two Phoenix-area Motel 6s say they systematically send guest lists to ICE.https://t.co/xeqWKIBneB pic.twitter.com/I8cYvMavdL

— Troy NY Amazon HQ2 (@huffakingit) September 13, 2017

Hit to Death in the "Galactic Head" (kingfish), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 17:24 (eight years ago)

"We'll leave the light on for you (so it's easier for ICE to see your face)."

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 17:27 (eight years ago)

Hm hm hm

🚨🚨Mueller Probe Has ‘Red-Hot’ Focus on Social Media, Officials Say https://t.co/mCScvitaw7

— Shannon Pettypiece (@spettypi) September 13, 2017

Another sign Mueller's homing in on Comey firing: He's preventing Senators from interviewing relevant FBI witnesses https://t.co/MqZHEo8xf8 pic.twitter.com/FU9riPw1VI

— Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) September 13, 2017

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 17:27 (eight years ago)

This guy's busy today

THREAD: What does today's news that Michael Flynn's son is a subject of the investigation mean? https://t.co/f47wPimcqE

— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) September 13, 2017

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 17:33 (eight years ago)

what simon said.

a minority-party bill like this does all kinds of work. overton window, establishing a party consensus, teeing up for 2018 especially. "republicans promised for years that they had great ideas to replace obamacare and improve health care in this country. but when the chips were down, all they proposed was throwing millions of people to the wolves, cutting care and shoring up the profits of big insurance companies. (music changes to positive hopeful sound) together with bernie sanders and x other democrats, candidate schmoe has a REAL plan ready to go: fully paid coverage as a right of every american." etc etc. the republicans are swindlers and do-nothings, the democrats are united* around a plan. a real plan, you can go read the details, no bait and switch, we know how we're going to pay for it and how we're going to phase it in yadda yadda. bernie sanders is the highest-polling politician in america iirc - using that to make single-payer into a central "establishment" issue rather than some fringey commie proposal is an astonishing accomplishment.

maybe throw in some talking heads of worried, puzzled-looking americans: "president trump talked about replacing Obamacare with something that would lower premiums and increase coverage. when i saw what him and paul ryan REALLY were proposing, i couldn't believe the cuts they were making to my coverage! i've looked at the numbers, and with bernie's plan, I'd save thousands of dollars a year - and never have to worry about being denied coverage. i'm with candidate schmoe - we can't wait any longer to reform this broken system." all of that works better with a bill sitting there to shame GOP candidates in individual races. "candidate jerko SAYS he wants better health care for people in our district...." "is he really his own man, or are paul ryan and the insurance companies calling the shots?" etc.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 17:38 (eight years ago)

"our joint effort" oh ho ho

maura, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 17:40 (eight years ago)

i mean i get why hatch is moving on this—utah is surrounded on nearly all sides by states where pot is legal on some level (of the states that border it, it's only still illegal in idaho and wyoming)

http://www.governing.com/gov-data/state-marijuana-laws-map-medical-recreational.html

maura, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 17:42 (eight years ago)

I really hope Doctor Casino is right, and I'm looking forward to seeing the ways Sanders proposes to pay for it, which is so far completely absent from the bill. Because yeah, a plan, a real plan, is a fucking great accomplishment. Like Corbyn in the UK it could upend the discussion completely.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 17:47 (eight years ago)

Timing: https://www.sanders.senate.gov/download/options-to-finance-medicare-for-all?inline=file

Frederik B, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 18:05 (eight years ago)

Facebook friend who sells Mormon magical essential oils had a big post this weekend from the company's national gathering - they're all about 'cannabinoids' now in the vaguest possible way.

louise ck (milo z), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 18:13 (eight years ago)

Look if someone could make a convincing case that Joseph Smith was just high as fuck all the time...

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 18:17 (eight years ago)

Chait's conclusion on the single payer bill: single payer is good in principle, but you must never attempt to realize the good thing pic.twitter.com/9lIqECnJUK

— The Discourse Lover (@Trillburne) September 13, 2017

Hit to Death in the "Galactic Head" (kingfish), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 18:18 (eight years ago)

The numbers don't add up in the Sanders plan :( All the funding only adds up to 16 trillion over ten years, and the health care system costs 32 trillion according to his paper. Then there's six trillion in projected saving, and he says it's only a beginning, but I don't get why he didn't just put on some more taxes to get those last 10 trillion.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 18:19 (eight years ago)

timely!

The man President Trump nominated to be deputy administrator of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) has withdrawn from consideration after NBC News raised questions about his history of falsifying records during the Bush administration.

“Given the distraction this will cause the agency in a time when they cannot afford to lose focus, I have withdrawn from my nomination,” Daniel A. Craig said on Wednesday.

A 2011 investigation into Craig by the Department of Homeland Security’s Office of Inspector General and the FBI reportedly concluded that he had violated conflict-of-interest laws after Hurricane Katrina.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-nominee-withdraws-after-questions-on-falsified-records

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 18:21 (eight years ago)

xps

Hatch's statement doesn't just say "high time," it also says "delving into the weeds," "to be blunt," and "high hopes." Either he's trying to go viral or he has a prankster in the PR dept.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 18:35 (eight years ago)

that Sanders doc seems rushed/unpolished

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 18:52 (eight years ago)

oh give him a break he's only hadlike des of harping on this same shit to figure it out

sleepingbag, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 18:55 (eight years ago)

*9 decades

sleepingbag, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 18:55 (eight years ago)

The numbers don't add up in the Sanders plan

this is because it is a publicity/political stunt and not an actual bill that will come up for a vote. Everybody's right about the Overton Window and all that (and I agree it is a good thing!), but this is not serious legislation.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 18:56 (eight years ago)

I agree w/ Fred that if you were going to put that together you might as well make the numbers reach the desired threshold. Just make those tax hikes on the wealthy a little more aggressive while you're at it.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 18:59 (eight years ago)

maybe a couple less wars

gbx, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 19:21 (eight years ago)

The funding source doesn't matter, print money.

.oO (silby), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 19:40 (eight years ago)

Presumably this is going to have to pass through reconciliation.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 19:43 (eight years ago)

Kremlin confirms @BuzzFeedNews scoop on outreach to Trump administration: "Yes, such proposals were passed on." https://t.co/CpdIygb6JF

— Lucian Kim (@Lucian_Kim) September 13, 2017

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 20:21 (eight years ago)

Obviously.

Senator Tim Scott says Trump has "obviously reflected" on his Charlottesville comments https://t.co/Y0jpc97zBq

— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) September 13, 2017

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 20:23 (eight years ago)

Given the president's affection for shiny objects and gilded surfaces, it is obvious that he has (BEEN) reflected.

Tegumai Bopsulai (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 20:32 (eight years ago)

He likes shiny objects because he can see himself

Evan, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 21:11 (eight years ago)

reminder no one actually cares about deficits & they're an arbitrary propaganda bludgeon only used against the left https://t.co/Kx6I3v81UZ pic.twitter.com/T5AhKSsZ4T

— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) September 13, 2017

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 13 September 2017 21:30 (eight years ago)

very true, idgaf about deficits

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 21:42 (eight years ago)

cruz says that with regards to sex, we should "let people do what they want"

Ted Cruz on his Twitter account: “We had a staffer who accidentally hit the wrong button” https://t.co/cZcypOVYPZ https://t.co/KOVJPpjPTl

— CNN Politics (@CNNPolitics) September 13, 2017

in argument here, but weird to hear that coming from ted fucking cruz

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 22:12 (eight years ago)

NO argument here, duh

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 22:12 (eight years ago)

Tbh it's creepy seeing Cruz engaging in a totally normal conversation and thinking 'yeah ok, good point, you sound like a decent human being', all because of there being an insane person in the WH who can't even formulate a single coherent sentence.

Le Bateau Ivre, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 22:33 (eight years ago)

Hm!

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/13/politics/susan-rice-house-investigators-unmasked-trump-officials/index.html

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 23:08 (eight years ago)

Hahah this guy

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/treasury-secretary-mnuchin-requested-government-jet-european-honeymoon/story?id=49777076

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 23:22 (eight years ago)

These people are just all such unabashed craven pieces of shit.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 13 September 2017 23:54 (eight years ago)

Ever so convenient.

Trump ethics watchdog moves to allow anonymous gifts to legal defense funds https://t.co/wHswEMx25b via @politico

— Brian Devine (@briandevine) September 14, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 September 2017 01:33 (eight years ago)

"anonymous" "gifts"

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/201

El Tomboto, Thursday, 14 September 2017 03:16 (eight years ago)

Meantime

BREAKING: Schumer, Pelosi announce deal with Trump to protect young immigrants; will include border security, but no wall.

— The Associated Press (@AP) September 14, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 September 2017 03:20 (eight years ago)

"Wall, what wall? Don't know what you're talking about!"

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 September 2017 03:21 (eight years ago)

Hannity is sad

Well Mitch GREAT JOB! You failed so miserably with Healthcare and "excessive expectations" now @POTUS has to deal with Dem Leaders!

— Sean Hannity (@seanhannity) September 14, 2017

Steve King is sad

@RealDonaldTrump If AP is correct, Trump base is blown up, destroyed, irreparable, and disillusioned beyond repair. No promise is credible. https://t.co/uJjxk6uX5g

— Steve King (@SteveKingIA) September 14, 2017

I...am not.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 September 2017 03:33 (eight years ago)

Check out Breitbart. A turning point tonight.
"Amnesty Don" pic.twitter.com/wqvv2mTwyD

— Robert Costa (@costareports) September 14, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 September 2017 03:37 (eight years ago)

Hahahahaaaaa excellent

Οὖτις, Thursday, 14 September 2017 03:45 (eight years ago)

ironically, it looks like Trump is now a man without a country

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Thursday, 14 September 2017 03:46 (eight years ago)

I literally cannot even

.oO (silby), Thursday, 14 September 2017 03:48 (eight years ago)

Sarah Sanders is squawking about how the wall hasn't been ruled out but c'mon.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 September 2017 03:58 (eight years ago)

If we all pretend to like him now we can probably get whatever we want and then just not vote for him anyway

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Thursday, 14 September 2017 04:02 (eight years ago)

We don't even have to pretend to like him, Chuck and Nancy can just pop in and say "yknow what we're thinking Don, we could really give the ol' economy a boost by building some trains and fixing some bridges, what do you say we tax those unpopular fat cats on Wall Street for it?" and make it sound like his idea

.oO (silby), Thursday, 14 September 2017 04:03 (eight years ago)

Like every indication points to him having no inner life and prone to agreeing to the last thing he heard someone say. Now that Chuck and Nancy have delivered a "win" for him he'd probably just do whatever they say unless they took away his phone.

.oO (silby), Thursday, 14 September 2017 04:05 (eight years ago)

it's pretty likely this deal falls through (especially if it's based on trump's word to pelosi/schumer) but that hardly matters from the POV of his base

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 14 September 2017 05:27 (eight years ago)

This morning!

Does anybody really want to throw out good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military? Really!.....

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 14, 2017

...They have been in our country for many years through no fault of their own - brought in by parents at young age. Plus BIG border security

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 14, 2017

Source with knowledge of meeting described last night as "jovial." Trump seemed thrilled to be dining and talking with Schumer and Pelosi.

— Josh Dawsey (@jdawsey1) September 14, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 September 2017 12:57 (eight years ago)

@realDonaldTrump Morn news says u made deal w Schumer on DACA/hv ur staff brief me/ I know u undercut JudiCimm effort 4 biparty agreement

— ChuckGrassley (@ChuckGrassley) September 14, 2017

If reports true 100%. I blame R's. They caused this. They wanted him to fail and now pushed him into arms of political suicide--IF TRUE. https://t.co/WTqe6jzfa9

— Sean Hannity (@seanhannity) September 14, 2017

At this point, who DOESN'T want Trump impeached? https://t.co/g1mMhmm8ng

— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) September 14, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 September 2017 12:58 (eight years ago)

Reality: @SenateMajLdr & @SpeakerRyan are A OK W/ @realDonaldTrump leaving them out of #dreamers deal bc it also shields them from blame

— Dana Bash (@DanaBashCNN) September 14, 2017

Fox & Friends seems on board. Just called the deal Trump's "bipartisan push to actually get something done in Washington."

— Ryan Lizza (@RyanLizza) September 14, 2017

Pool: Responding to a shouted question on whether he favors "amnesty," Trump shouted back: "The word is DACA."

— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) September 14, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 September 2017 12:59 (eight years ago)

BREAKING: Trump to dedicate remainder of presidency to torturing AG Sessions https://t.co/Nn3aaSb2nI

— Thomas E. Ricks (@tomricks1) September 14, 2017

Everyone pretending @AnnCoulter and Bannon represent base, this is the man who best represents Trump's base >>> https://t.co/x9WTnpwUOK

— Jamie Weinstein (@Jamie_Weinstein) September 14, 2017

And that tweet there referring to this next level of beauty

Why did we elect a great negotiator if we were going to freak every time he negotiates?

— Bill Mitchell (@mitchellvii) September 14, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 September 2017 13:00 (eight years ago)

This is sure to lower his support among Republicans to something like 90%. A disaster.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 14 September 2017 13:03 (eight years ago)

popcorn.gif

here's how **takes sip of duck urine** economics works (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 14 September 2017 13:06 (eight years ago)

I guess it's a good thing that the Dems figured out that there's just a joystick where Trump's brain should be.

Scott Staph (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 September 2017 13:11 (eight years ago)

This is sure to lower his support among Republicans to something like 90%. A disaster.

if true [that this won't reduce his support among Republicans] that isn't necessarily a bad thing

Mordy, Thursday, 14 September 2017 13:15 (eight years ago)

trump's dinner with chuck and nancy was actually an exercise in operant conditioning - now every time trump hears a bell ring he is compelled to tweet something in support of daca

here's how **takes sip of duck urine** economics works (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 14 September 2017 13:15 (eight years ago)

Renovate the fence!

The WALL, which is already under construction in the form of new renovation of old and existing fences and walls, will continue to be built.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 14, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 September 2017 13:19 (eight years ago)

the wall, which exists and is old, is currently under construction and will also be built in the future

TIME IS AN ILLUSION

here's how **takes sip of duck urine** economics works (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 14 September 2017 13:35 (eight years ago)

a flat circle, if you will

El Tomboto, Thursday, 14 September 2017 13:40 (eight years ago)

I guess it's a good thing that the Dems figured out that there's just a joystick where Trump's brain should be.

loool

.oO (silby), Thursday, 14 September 2017 13:42 (eight years ago)

as delicious as the lols are watching his base struggle to reintegrate their worldviews at this news, I'm mainly just kind of clenched up with anxiety for what the "border security" part of the deal actually looks like, and whether this deal actually ends up getting sealed. i mean it would be amazing if all of trump's blundering around on this issue, which he didn't even have to open up in the first place, ends up giving DACA recipients *more* legal protection and stability than they previously had. but until then they're still in total limbo and it must be terrifying and stressful as fuck, as always.

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 14 September 2017 13:46 (eight years ago)

Such wisdom

This is the real story. The rest is just word-thinking about what a "wall" is and is not. https://t.co/KDM8SbVME4

— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) September 14, 2017

If border security is subject to the whim of whatever political party has power- it's not a fucking wall. Walls don't do that.

— PhilsGoodman 🇺🇸 (@TroyLynch8) September 14, 2017

Walls have doors too.

— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) September 14, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 September 2017 13:56 (eight years ago)

'word-thinking'

Scott Staph (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 September 2017 13:58 (eight years ago)

https://media.tenor.com/images/fb3f2d1e814190100a4ae401b1660d5b/tenor.gif

here's how **takes sip of duck urine** economics works (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 14 September 2017 13:58 (eight years ago)

well now he's saying there is no DACA deal. wtf is going on? (a question I ask daily, now)

akm, Thursday, 14 September 2017 14:00 (eight years ago)

Well, although he has a joystick where his brain should be, it's important to exert sustained control over it. Otherwise he just runs like a Roomba, hurtling along until he hits a Wall and veers off in another direction.

Scott Staph (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 September 2017 14:04 (eight years ago)

irritable brainstem syndrome

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 14 September 2017 14:09 (eight years ago)

ayyyyyyyy

here's how **takes sip of duck urine** economics works (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 14 September 2017 14:10 (eight years ago)

Trump this morning: one tweet insisting there's no deal and two tweets outlining the exact deal Pelosi and Schumer announced last night.

— Ryan Lizza (@RyanLizza) September 14, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 September 2017 14:10 (eight years ago)

17D tiddlywinks

Neanderthal, Thursday, 14 September 2017 14:17 (eight years ago)

schrodinger's policy

here's how **takes sip of duck urine** economics works (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 14 September 2017 14:18 (eight years ago)

Turns out trump was IT after all

Dean of the University (Latham Green), Thursday, 14 September 2017 14:21 (eight years ago)

I seriously can't get enough of this genius business idea. https://t.co/0WWjWtZ8mb (via @glow_for_it) pic.twitter.com/unGKigduLI

— Anup Kaphle (@AnupKaphle) September 14, 2017

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 14 September 2017 14:37 (eight years ago)

Schumer is going to play Trump like a puppetmaster

Dean of the University (Latham Green), Thursday, 14 September 2017 14:39 (eight years ago)

Now, be careful, you'll wake Morbs up.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 14 September 2017 14:41 (eight years ago)

the doctor told me I had cancer but I refuse to be a word thinker

frogbs, Thursday, 14 September 2017 14:41 (eight years ago)

Dems should pull a Tom Sawyer and trick Republicans into accepting painting the existing wall as a compromise win.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 14 September 2017 14:43 (eight years ago)

I'm in the process of buying a new car in the form of emptying the ashtrays and filling up with petrol #InTheFormOf

Mark G, Thursday, 14 September 2017 14:44 (eight years ago)

I still dont understand how a wall is going to stop tunnels

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-san-diego/u-s-border-agents-find-smuggling-tunnel-in-san-diego-idUSKCN1B700N

How about a wall covered in solar panels??

Dean of the University (Latham Green), Thursday, 14 September 2017 14:57 (eight years ago)

I still dont understand how a wall is going to stop tunnels

Or airplanes, or boats, or submarines, or ladders... but still, WALL

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4093/4885902602_f7e9574839_z.jpg

Tegumai Bopsulai (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 14 September 2017 15:01 (eight years ago)

Trump should just host a public screening of WALL-E on the White House lawn. Done and done.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 14 September 2017 15:03 (eight years ago)

I still dont understand how a wall is going to stop tunnels


planes are also untroubled by walls of less than thousands of feet high iirc

here's how **takes sip of duck urine** economics works (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 14 September 2017 15:04 (eight years ago)

also look at what the Spaniards can do! And we know who settled Mexico...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1069671/Pictured-The-awesome-human-towers-built-traditional-Spanish-festival.html

Dean of the University (Latham Green), Thursday, 14 September 2017 15:14 (eight years ago)

Pelosi and Schumer playing him like a fucking fiddle daaaaaaaamn

Οὖτις, Thursday, 14 September 2017 15:19 (eight years ago)

well that won't last they'll say the wrong thing over dim sum one night and boom

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 September 2017 15:33 (eight years ago)

nothing lasts -- not even Grant Harts

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 14 September 2017 15:34 (eight years ago)

Not until there is an army of clones for Trump to command who jow nothing but loyalty. Based off the mind and body of?

Dean of the University (Latham Green), Thursday, 14 September 2017 15:39 (eight years ago)

I don't doubt it Morbz, still nice to see them twisting the knife/maximizing the internal dissension in the GOP

Οὖτις, Thursday, 14 September 2017 15:43 (eight years ago)

nothing lasts -- not even Grant Harts

― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, September 14, 2017 4:34 PM (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

too soon

Cyndi Larper (stevie), Thursday, 14 September 2017 15:57 (eight years ago)

So sad

If we're not getting a wall, I'd prefer President Pence. https://t.co/g1mMhmm8ng

— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) September 14, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 September 2017 16:06 (eight years ago)

"Just call my press office," Senator Cruz tells reporters when asked for reaction about Trump/DACA/Dems

— Alan He (@alanhe) September 14, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 September 2017 16:08 (eight years ago)

"They've got more time on their hands now that I've blocked RedTube."

Tegumai Bopsulai (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 14 September 2017 16:10 (eight years ago)

Breitbart's lead: "The president confirmed the fears of many supporters..." https://t.co/ejce0IXa72 pic.twitter.com/3dZJgQnFp3

— Brian Stelter (@brianstelter) September 14, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 September 2017 16:39 (eight years ago)

But here's the real joy.

Would we have preferred a candidate w/ Trump’s positions more thoughtful & who wasn’t easily rolled? YES! But that person wasn’t running.

— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) September 14, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 September 2017 16:39 (eight years ago)

Runnin a tight ship over there: https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/trumps-dealing-on-daca-sparks-confusion-shifting-alliances-on-capitol-hill/2017/09/14/c9b2c904-994c-11e7-82e4-f1076f6d6152_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_dacahill-1125a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.50de6c46e689

Oddly Trump making overtures to the Dems actually probably strengthens Ryan's standing with his House caucus. (He does so enjoy putting on his big boy pants and pretending to be the "smart adult" in the room)

Οὖτις, Thursday, 14 September 2017 17:04 (eight years ago)

btw this isn't specific to your post but every single time i see anyone use "big boy pants" i can only think i’m a big boy, standing in my big boy pants, hurry up and gimme the microphone before I bust in my pants

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 14 September 2017 17:06 (eight years ago)

I feel fortunate that I have no idea what that is a reference to

Οὖτις, Thursday, 14 September 2017 17:07 (eight years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ADgCeYJMN4

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 14 September 2017 17:08 (eight years ago)

also would tie in well to the Trumpian "Sad!"

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 14 September 2017 17:09 (eight years ago)

ok lol

Οὖτις, Thursday, 14 September 2017 17:10 (eight years ago)

someone please put trump alone in a room with a communist for like 8 minutes, we'll have collective ownership of all the granaries by monday

— matt ◉ SPX W34 (@Lubchansky) September 14, 2017

Hit to Death in the "Galactic Head" (kingfish), Thursday, 14 September 2017 17:50 (eight years ago)

disappointed in u shaky

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 14 September 2017 17:51 (eight years ago)

I know that song but not every word of it what can I say, was never a fan

Οὖτις, Thursday, 14 September 2017 17:52 (eight years ago)

Trump's most devoted fans acting like a 5-year old girl who didn't get the pony she was promised

frogbs, Thursday, 14 September 2017 17:59 (eight years ago)

I attached my hopes and dreams to a mouth breathing con artist and all I got was a MAGA hat

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 14 September 2017 18:04 (eight years ago)

if a 5-year-old girl's parents actually promise her a pony then the parents deserve any blowback they get

crüt, Thursday, 14 September 2017 18:06 (eight years ago)

Would be so rewarding if Trump's meagre support base disavowed him because a deal that never came to pass showed his disloyalty to them.

Stevolende, Thursday, 14 September 2017 18:07 (eight years ago)

Trump's support base doesn't believe anything the dishonest media has to say about Trump

crüt, Thursday, 14 September 2017 18:16 (eight years ago)

i'm sure the narrative will quickly shift from trump flipping to the evil nancy pelosi tricking him with witchcraft and ruthless lies

Karl Malone, Thursday, 14 September 2017 18:23 (eight years ago)

While Chuck Schumer watched and cackled in his homonculus bottle.

Wichita prepares for totality (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 14 September 2017 18:30 (eight years ago)

WHo knew DACA was so complicated?!

Dean of the University (Latham Green), Thursday, 14 September 2017 19:29 (eight years ago)

this is a trend I'm noticing

Ashen and emotional, Mr. Sessions told the president he would quit and sent a resignation letter to the White House, according to four people who were told details of the meeting. Mr. Sessions would later tell associates that the president’s demeaning tone was the most humiliating experience in decades of public life.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/14/us/politics/jeff-sessions-trump.html?_r=0

turns out being berated by the worlds dumbest man has this affect on people

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 14 September 2017 19:41 (eight years ago)

This account is based on interviews with seven administration officials and others familiar with the interactions between Mr. Trump and Mr. Sessions in recent months who requested anonymity because they are not permitted to speak publicly about confidential conversations between the president and his aides. Politico first reported in July that Mr. Sessions had once offered his resignation letter, but the circumstances that prompted the letter — and the Mr. Trump’s dressing down of the attorney general — have not previously been reported.

drip drip drip, lol

WilliamC, Thursday, 14 September 2017 19:45 (eight years ago)

The president relented, and eventually returned the resignation letter to Mr. Sessions — with a handwritten response on it.

I NEED TO SEE THIS ASAP

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 14 September 2017 19:47 (eight years ago)

I believe it said SAD!

"Celebration" encourages the listener to celebrate good times. (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 14 September 2017 19:49 (eight years ago)

if only there was some way to humiliate them even more

cosmic brain dildo (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 14 September 2017 19:52 (eight years ago)

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/43/ff/d8/43ffd85db281f2b3334c8eff33778e36--treats-tops.jpg

here's how **takes sip of duck urine** economics works (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 14 September 2017 19:57 (eight years ago)

The president relented, and eventually returned the resignation letter to Mr. Sessions — with a handwritten response on it.

Oh right

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/021/706/dbbatman.jpg

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 September 2017 19:58 (eight years ago)

as soon as i posted the treehorn doodle i realised i shoulda gone dickbutt instead, thx ned

here's how **takes sip of duck urine** economics works (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 14 September 2017 20:00 (eight years ago)

We're on the same wavelength, all good.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 September 2017 20:00 (eight years ago)

Bernie Sanders is pushing hard for a single payer healthcare plan - a curse on the U.S. & its people...

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 14, 2017

...I told Republicans to approve healthcare fast or this would happen. But don't worry, I will veto because I love our country & its people.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 14, 2017

grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 14 September 2017 20:06 (eight years ago)

what on earth

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 14 September 2017 20:09 (eight years ago)

A POX ON YOU

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 September 2017 20:12 (eight years ago)

"I didn't get what I wanted after I contributed nothing to its passage, so you deserve more fail."

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 14 September 2017 20:15 (eight years ago)

he only tilts at the best windmills

Οὖτις, Thursday, 14 September 2017 20:15 (eight years ago)

it's amazing how dumb and uninformed he is. he might be the only person in washington who thinks that a single payer bill could possibly land on his desk while he was still president

Karl Malone, Thursday, 14 September 2017 20:22 (eight years ago)

literal lolling at " a curse on the US & its people..."
more lear than quixote i think

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 14 September 2017 20:24 (eight years ago)

Lear played by Elmer Fudd

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 14 September 2017 20:24 (eight years ago)

it's amazing how dumb and uninformed he is. he might be the only person in washington who thinks that a single payer bill could possibly land on his desk while he was still president

― Karl Malone, Thursday, September 14, 2017 4:22 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lmaaaaaooo

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 14 September 2017 20:30 (eight years ago)

he's still a schmuck btw

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) was heard saying Thursday morning that President Donald Trump “likes us” and that “it’s going to work out,” perhaps referring to a potential deal shielding young undocumented people from deportation. The comment was picked up by a CSPAN microphone and broadcast live.

“He likes us!” Schumer is heard saying, referring to Trump. “He likes me, anyway.” “Look, what we said was exactly accurate,” Schumer continues. “Here’s what I told him. I said, Mr. President, you’re much better off if you can sometimes step right, and sometimes step left. If you have to step just in one direction, you’re boxed. He gets that.”

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/schumer-hot-mic-he-likes-us

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUO6HWz_X0s

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 14 September 2017 20:36 (eight years ago)

here comes the hotstepper

Οὖτις, Thursday, 14 September 2017 20:38 (eight years ago)

it was either that or "I could move off to the left for a while / And I could sliiiiiide to the right for a while..."

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Thursday, 14 September 2017 20:43 (eight years ago)

They're all having such fun!

.@katieglueck finds GOP base blames Congress for Trump seeking deals w/ Dems. House Republicans blame the Senate. https://t.co/nTCfqnqc63

— Emma Dumain (@Emma_Dumain) September 14, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 September 2017 20:47 (eight years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cJmpwkUx4s

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 14 September 2017 20:50 (eight years ago)

a curse on the U.S. & its people...

Because I'm me, it makes me think Castlevania...

Hit to Death in the "Galactic Head" (kingfish), Thursday, 14 September 2017 20:54 (eight years ago)

Oh good, why not

https://www.avclub.com/the-mooch-is-going-to-co-host-the-view-1811070900

Scaramucci will be featured on the September 22 installment of the show’s Guy Day Friday, apparently as a representative of the “guy” community. We don’t know much else about his appearance, but this is all apparently part of an attempt to build a Mooch-based media brand.

Hit to Death in the "Galactic Head" (kingfish), Thursday, 14 September 2017 20:59 (eight years ago)

people who should not be encouraged

nomar, Thursday, 14 September 2017 21:05 (eight years ago)

I mean, everything about this guy is slime, but of all the toadies and fools and more who have passed through the White House this year or are still in it, he's the only one who seems to be actually enjoying himself. That doesn't give him a free pass for anything but it's also telling how not being connected at all to, say, a certain investigation re Russia lightens the soul.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 September 2017 21:06 (eight years ago)

Breitbart slamming Trump and praising Paul Ryan on immigration. Where is my "THE END IS NEAR" sandwich board pic.twitter.com/HXFCmdt26d

— Leon Wolf (@LeonHWolf) September 14, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 September 2017 21:07 (eight years ago)

xp "What is an American Man? A miserable little pile of secrets. But enough tweets! Have at you!"

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 14 September 2017 21:12 (eight years ago)

Manafort spokesman to testify before grand jury Friday https://t.co/2t42ERCwVz via @politico

— val_mccabe (@val_mccabe) September 14, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 September 2017 21:46 (eight years ago)

On Air Force One a short time ago, President Trump doubled down on his ‘many sides’ talk about Charlottesville. The exchange was specifically about Trump’s meeting yesterday with Sen. Tim Scott of South Carolina, the only African-American Republican in Senate.

“We had a great talk yesterday. I think especially in light of the advent of Antifa, if you look at what’s going on there. You have some pretty bad dudes on the other side also and essentially that’s what I said. Now because of what’s happened since then with Antifa. When you look at really what’s happened since Charlottesville, a lot of people are saying and people have actually written, ‘Gee, Trump may have a point.’ I said there’s some very bad people on the other side also. But we had a great conversation. And he has legislation, which I actually like very much, the concept of which I support, to get people into certain areas and building and constructing and putting people to work. I told him yesterday that’s a concept I can support very easily.”

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-re-ups-many-sides-talk-about-charlottesville

Karl Malone, Thursday, 14 September 2017 21:47 (eight years ago)

still with "the pretty bad dudes", eh

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Thursday, 14 September 2017 21:53 (eight years ago)

he is seriously the stupidest person in DC

Karl Malone, Thursday, 14 September 2017 21:55 (eight years ago)

Why limit it to D.C.?

vmajestic, Thursday, 14 September 2017 22:01 (eight years ago)

.@SenatorTimScott spox 🚨🚨reaction to Trump saying today that the two talked yesterday about "some very bad dudes" on the other side pic.twitter.com/1HudRUfU9h

— Leigh Ann Caldwell (@LACaldwellDC) September 14, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 September 2017 22:04 (eight years ago)

seeing this "antifascists are bad" received wisdom creeping into popular discourse is bad

Οὖτις, Thursday, 14 September 2017 22:06 (eight years ago)

this really is shades of 1968 all over again, just gross

Οὖτις, Thursday, 14 September 2017 22:06 (eight years ago)

basically Scott gave an inch (because he is an idiot) and Trump took him for a mile (like he always does)

Οὖτις, Thursday, 14 September 2017 22:07 (eight years ago)

Are you a bad enough dude to rescue the president from senile aphasia?

Scott Staph (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 September 2017 22:08 (eight years ago)

I, personally, think antifascists are good as hell

frogbs, Thursday, 14 September 2017 22:09 (eight years ago)

it just bugs me how adept the right is at co-opting and undermining the language around resistance movements - Black Lives Matter becomes All Lives Matter (or Blue Lives Matter); antifascists hand them handily abbreviated name ('Antifa') that also happens to obscure what they're actually about (being against fascism). The term's going to become a slur on the right, a cudgel with which to beat leftists just like "communist" or "liberal" used to be.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 14 September 2017 22:12 (eight years ago)

all in the service of constructing/perpetuating a false equivalency to deliberately obscure the crimes of white supremacists and fascists

Οὖτις, Thursday, 14 September 2017 22:12 (eight years ago)

and within a week or two, fake news went from being a term to refer to actual fake news spread via ignorant people on social media to a term that is used to delegitimize whatever media sources criticize trump

Karl Malone, Thursday, 14 September 2017 22:17 (eight years ago)

yes, that fits the pattern too

Οὖτις, Thursday, 14 September 2017 22:23 (eight years ago)

it just bugs me how adept the right is at co-opting and undermining the language around resistance movements

While I wholeheartedly agree with your allround point, the blame for this surely lies with the millions and millions of people who take this stuff on board. The masses embracing these idiotic things, the masses embracing the concept that everything criticising Trump is 'fake news'. It's not an elitist thing, it's not a cunning move on behalf of some brilliant minds on the right. It's the army of Trump lemmings, millions of idiots, getting behind and embracing it. Ie. Trump voters. Ie. half of America.

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 14 September 2017 22:24 (eight years ago)

it reflects this surface-level engagement with rhetoric that is nonetheless very effective, recognizing language strictly as a weapon with which to beat the opposition

xp

Οὖτις, Thursday, 14 September 2017 22:24 (eight years ago)

Yeah, this doesn't happen when you have public education that's worth a damn.

Scott Staph (Old Lunch), Thursday, 14 September 2017 22:25 (eight years ago)

it's just the dumbest "hey I notice you are using a term! Since I hate you, now I will use it against you"-level of engagement

Οὖτις, Thursday, 14 September 2017 22:26 (eight years ago)

I mean it's easy to do this stuff when you know nearly half of the voters in America voted for this moron. They'll get behind it, no matter what, it seems. All critical or independent thinking is out the window.

Shakey otm

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 14 September 2017 22:26 (eight years ago)

it all feels like a variation of that sporting event dynamic where one group of morons notices that the other group of morons in the stands across the field is chanting something and oh shit we better come up with a chant that makes fun of what those assholes over there are chanting cuz whichever group of morons is the loudest wins! AMERICA

Οὖτις, Thursday, 14 September 2017 22:31 (eight years ago)

yup, murica aight

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 14 September 2017 22:33 (eight years ago)

It's the army of Trump lemmings, millions of idiots, getting behind and embracing it. Ie. Trump voters. Ie. half of America.

You were doing OK until the very end there.

Total number of votes cast in 2016 Presidential election: 128,838,341
Votes for Trump: 62,984,825
US population: 326,964,362 (approx.) (from here)

Trump's vote total represents 19% of the total US population.

grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 14 September 2017 22:53 (eight years ago)

US population: 326,964,362 (approx.)

yeah, but only 250 million of those are adults. so trump's got about 25% of the population eligible to vote.

i bet a lot of little kid assholes would vote for trump, though

Karl Malone, Thursday, 14 September 2017 22:56 (eight years ago)

@Unperson: Yeah yeah, which is why I said "I mean it's easy to do this stuff when you know nearly half of the voters in America voted for this moron." immediatelyt afterwards.

Does it matter? Is pointing towards 'oh, the people voting for Trump is 19% of Americans" of any value at all? Does it make any of this less painful? Does it redeem anything? Nope. I don't see it. Good on half of America not voting, I suppose.

Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 14 September 2017 23:00 (eight years ago)

Does anybody really want to throw out good, educated and accomplished young people who have jobs, some serving in the military? Really!.....

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 14, 2017

...They have been in our country for many years through no fault of their own - brought in by parents at young age. Plus BIG border security

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 14, 2017

looooooool maga tears in his menchies right now must be delicious

-_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 14 September 2017 23:28 (eight years ago)

Meanwhile

Dana Rohrabacher tells @joegarofoli that Charlottesville was Civil-War re-enactors setup by ex-HRC/Sanders people https://t.co/pJWdZNnZt1 pic.twitter.com/xTB8FmMXSr

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) September 14, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 September 2017 23:41 (eight years ago)

similarly, the night before that, a convention of innocent tiki torch and dockers enthusiasts got conned into marching into an area on campus where a phalanx of evil antifa fanatics were waiting, ready to spring their trap

Karl Malone, Thursday, 14 September 2017 23:43 (eight years ago)

it's so unfair, the way they have been mistreated

Karl Malone, Thursday, 14 September 2017 23:45 (eight years ago)

i am enjyoing the MAGA twitter foks/breitbart meltdown, but i think for a lot of his voters they don't give a shit. this from chris hayes rings true for me:

To oversimplify a bit, the question at the heart of the Trump election was, who will run the country, us or them? Us being, by and large, white people, white men specifically. But more essential than that, it was a question asked in the wake of Barack Obama, who disrupted the country's entire history by putting a black man in the White House. He was both a symbol of nonwhite power but also was in the position he was in due to an expanding demographic coalition that posed a kind of permanent threat to the natural order of things in America, which is white rule.

Under these conditions, all concessions to Obama were concessions to white disempowerment. But once the power of the Trump coalition was restored, both in actual terms and symbolically, I think policy concessions on issues like immigration don't have the same existential sting for his most ardent voters. It was never about the policies anyway, it was about who rules. Who has power. Whose voice is heard. If Trump is the one making the deals, then the deals are being made on the terms of him and his coalition and are therefore, by definition, not existential threats. But if/when Obama took those actions, they represented some kind of intolerable incursion, and further cementing of the power of his multi-racial coalition.

For this reason, I honestly believe Trump could get away with signing the Gang of Eight comprehensive immigration reform bill with minimal losses among his base because the thing they care most about - Trump Being President - has been accomplished. Someone should tell POTUS that Obama was never able to get comprehensive immigration reform done, but he could and really show Obama up. I bet he'd go for it.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 14 September 2017 23:45 (eight years ago)

it just bugs me how adept the right is at co-opting and undermining the language around resistance movements

While I wholeheartedly agree with your allround point, the blame for this surely lies with the millions and millions of people who take this stuff on board. The masses embracing these idiotic things, the masses embracing the concept that everything criticising Trump is 'fake news'. It's not an elitist thing, it's not a cunning move on behalf of some brilliant minds on the right. It's the army of Trump lemmings, millions of idiots, getting behind and embracing it. Ie. Trump voters. Ie. half of America.

Yeah I don't think it's so much that the right is adept at this but that their "leaders" are dumb enough to spout it and constituency dumb enough believe it.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 14 September 2017 23:58 (eight years ago)

like if "the Left" tried same tactics, overnight you'd have 1000 thinkpieces going "well, actually..." and thousands of tweets pointing out the flaws... from the Left.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 15 September 2017 00:01 (eight years ago)

the thing they care most about - Trump Being President - has been accomplished

Yep. I've been saying that for ages (not that anyone cares).

dockers enthusiasts

Ouch. Come on. They were already known to be horrible people. This is just piling on.

Tegumai Bopsulai (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 15 September 2017 00:36 (eight years ago)

Somewhere Bannon is shrieking

Here's what two more anti-illegal-immigrant Trump supporters told me about his DACA dealmaking: https://t.co/rbG7OgGIXM pic.twitter.com/VhnY5nkNQP

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) September 15, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 September 2017 00:51 (eight years ago)

i'm the cult of

mookieproof, Friday, 15 September 2017 00:57 (eight years ago)

"He said Trump will remain preferable to people like "communist Bernie Sanders or extreme socialist Hillary Clinton.""

- I really wish reporters would ask the follow up question "how would you define socialist?" to the people who play the role of Idiot on the Street in those kinds of stories

They were already known to be horrible people. This is just piling on.

that's part of the modern nazi uniform! at least it appears to be...

Karl Malone, Friday, 15 September 2017 01:01 (eight years ago)

Aw how nice

#BREAKING Trump signs resolution condemning white supremacists: White House

— AFP news agency (@AFP) September 15, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 September 2017 01:17 (eight years ago)

Twisted irony that the only thing that likely led to an otherwise unnecessarily condemnation of something just about anyone would condemn was his initial unwillingness to condemn. What a schmuck.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 September 2017 01:55 (eight years ago)

reminder no one actually cares about deficits & they're an arbitrary propaganda bludgeon only used against the left

i get this but i don't get it, like if that's 100% the case why don't we just not tax anybody

crüt, Friday, 15 September 2017 03:02 (eight years ago)

If you believe the Modern Monetary Theory people, we tax people to make currency valuable

.oO (silby), Friday, 15 September 2017 03:41 (eight years ago)

2scoops 2020 isn't gonna like this :(

http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/350789-california-legislature-passes-bill-requiring-presidential-candidates-to . . . release their tax returns

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 15 September 2017 03:48 (eight years ago)

Finding it lonely there without Bannon, are you?

Trump aide Stephen Miller is said to be unhappy about Trump's DACA move & is plotting w/White House, Hill people. https://t.co/TRWpOAXf9g

— Josh Dawsey (@jdawsey1) September 14, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 September 2017 04:46 (eight years ago)

Yes, this is how the day should end.

.@SheriffClarke: “He was forced into this position by @SpeakerRyan and @SenateMajLdr’s inability to get anything through Congress.” #Hannity pic.twitter.com/BSYgx0aBao

— Fox News (@FoxNews) September 15, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 September 2017 05:06 (eight years ago)

that image looks like a tim & eric still

cosmic brain dildo (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 15 September 2017 05:46 (eight years ago)

feel like they've been made definitively obsolete this year

Nhex, Friday, 15 September 2017 06:28 (eight years ago)

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/350791-trump-i-never-even-knew-a-category-5-existed-for-hurricanes

amazing.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 15 September 2017 06:33 (eight years ago)

his willingness - eagerness even - to admit to his ignorance about even the most basic facts might be endearing if he wasn't, y'know, the president of the united states of america

here's how **takes sip of duck urine** economics works (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 15 September 2017 08:41 (eight years ago)

who is making these videos for trump and wtf are they using to edit them? this is like watching an older family member's first, flashy-transition-addled foray into editing with imovie

FLORIDA-
Just like TX, WE are w/you today, we are w/you tomorrow, & we will be w/you EVERY SINGLE DAY AFTER, to RESTORE, RECOVER, & REBUILD! pic.twitter.com/phRMudujxJ

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 15, 2017

here's how **takes sip of duck urine** economics works (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 15 September 2017 10:18 (eight years ago)

You say that as if it's not the intent.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 15 September 2017 10:20 (eight years ago)

fair

here's how **takes sip of duck urine** economics works (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 15 September 2017 10:24 (eight years ago)

I wonder if it's very difficult to recreate that effect? Like trying to draw as a child does.

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Friday, 15 September 2017 12:19 (eight years ago)

I imagine his voice gradually turning into a Dalek's by the end of this.

ESPN is paying a really big price for its politics (and bad programming). People are dumping it in RECORD numbers. Apologize for untruth!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 15, 2017

Wichita prepares for totality (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 15 September 2017 12:19 (eight years ago)

academic independence!

Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government rescinded a visiting fellowship offered to Chelsea Manning, the former military intelligence analyst who spent seven years in prison for leaking classified government secrets, after the university faced forceful backlash from CIA Director Mike Pompeo among others.

“I now think that designating Chelsea Manning as a Visiting Fellow was a mistake, for which I accept responsibility,” Douglas W. Elmendorf, the school’s dean, wrote in a 700-word statement released shortly after midnight Friday.

Manning was one of four visiting fellows announced two days earlier by the Kennedy School’s Institute of Politics. As part of the program, visiting fellows appear on Harvard’s campus for speaking engagements and events, interacting with undergraduate students on “topical issues of today,” the school’s initial announcement explained.

Elmendorf decided to withdraw the invitation after realizing that “many people view a Visiting Fellow title as an honorific,” though the school had not intended to “honor [Manning] in any way or to endorse any of her words or deeds.”

...The dean’s decision came only hours after Pompeo withdrew from a planned appearance at the Kennedy School and chastised the institution for calling attention to Manning. In a biting letter to the event’s organizers, Pompeo, who earned a law degree from Harvard, branded Manning an “American traitor” whose actions and ethos contradicted the intelligence agency’s most basic and sacred values.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2017/09/14/former-cia-directors-shun-harvard-after-the-school-invites-chelsea-manning-to-campus/?utm_term=.e2fae453c241

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 September 2017 14:08 (eight years ago)

Harry Enten - a curse on the U.S. and its people! Must be stopped! Go, congress!

Doctor Casino, Friday, 15 September 2017 14:09 (eight years ago)

Apologize for Untruth! should be next month's title

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 15 September 2017 14:15 (eight years ago)

"People are dumping it in record numbers" tho

Doctor Casino, Friday, 15 September 2017 14:17 (eight years ago)

i mean if you take that fact in a vacuum that's divorced from the large scale problems facing cable television, "cord cutting", move to streaming service etc, then pretend it's not been happening for the last 5 years well before Kaepernick and Jemele Hill etc, then yes, he has a point

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 15 September 2017 14:47 (eight years ago)

Fake CBS fall lineup, what happened? The failing multi-camera sitcom is a joke.. Ratings way down! #MAGA

Doctor Casino, Friday, 15 September 2017 14:51 (eight years ago)

Apologize for Untruth! should be next month's title

― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown),

otm

WilliamC, Friday, 15 September 2017 14:52 (eight years ago)

Fuck Harvard and Mike Pompeo

El Tomboto, Friday, 15 September 2017 14:54 (eight years ago)

was Harvard not expecting backlash?

jmm, Friday, 15 September 2017 14:59 (eight years ago)

suckered by their cool social media person

j., Friday, 15 September 2017 15:03 (eight years ago)

Easiest journalistic task: feature the countless Harvard "Visiting Fellows" who have said & done horrific things yet provoked no controversy https://t.co/9FUpwJBZ8z

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) September 15, 2017

Corey Lewandowski - accused of assaulting a reporter - is a visiting fellow for Harvard this year.https://t.co/F1ytUPwrTx

— Ben Mishiev (@ben_mishiev) September 15, 2017

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 September 2017 15:09 (eight years ago)

Well I'm reassured.

Very good @jonathanvswan on how Trump's new media diet under Kelly seems to be affecting policy https://t.co/SkrkilEoY0 pic.twitter.com/W1QdWuny2C

— Oliver Darcy (@oliverdarcy) September 15, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 September 2017 15:46 (eight years ago)

Flail more:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/09/15/ann_coulter_on_trumps_daca_amnesty_deal_starting_to_look_like_a_doomsday_scenario_might_be_time_for_a_third_party.html

"I guess we always knew this was a risk," the conservative firebrand said about the president's change of heart on DACA. "It was never his maturity, or deep reading that we admired about the guy. The problem was everyone else running for president wants to fling open our southern border, with a big sign, free medical care, free housing, free food."

"This rest of the candidates were complete idiots, so of course you had to 100% support Trump," she said about the 2016 election.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 September 2017 15:53 (eight years ago)

presumably an incomplete idiot

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 September 2017 15:56 (eight years ago)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJu5OoIWAAAKVOL.jpg

this guy and his cowboy hat. dude you were the sheriff of MILWAUKEE County.

nomar, Friday, 15 September 2017 16:00 (eight years ago)

that beard tho

conrad, Friday, 15 September 2017 16:02 (eight years ago)

Apologize for Untruth! should be next month's title
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown),

otm
― WilliamC, Friday, September 15, 2017

the sad lol truth being that he'll say fourteen dumber things in the next week alone

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Friday, 15 September 2017 16:07 (eight years ago)

Hmm.

Russia money-laundering probe puts Trump Tower meeting in new light https://t.co/PkintRKKU0 pic.twitter.com/ge3gqwC9rl

— Tim O'Brien (@TimOBrien) September 15, 2017

More from that:

But when she stepped into Trump Tower, Veselnitskaya was also representing a client ensnared in a long-running U.S. investigation into an alleged web of Russian money-laundering. That criminal inquiry, opened by federal prosecutors in New York in 2013 and previously unreported, is still active, according to people familiar with the probe. There was no mention of an ongoing criminal inquiry when the U.S. settled a related civil lawsuit against Veselnitskaya’s client in May.

The outline of the criminal investigation, stretching from Switzerland to Cyprus, is laid out deep within the 734 filings in the civil case. Several countries have supplied documents to the U.S., as have Deutsche Bank AG, Citigroup Inc. and other global banks that aren’t targets. U.S. prosecutors in the case are seeking to track parts of more than $200 million they say left Russia after a massive fraud, and to identify who was involved in the scheme.

The revelation adds a new element to the Trump Tower meeting, which has emerged as a focus of congressional investigators and a U.S. special counsel inquiry into Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 September 2017 16:09 (eight years ago)

http://www.qthemusic.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/thefallfredperry.jpg

APOLOGISE FOR UNTRUTH-AH!

jamiesummerz, Friday, 15 September 2017 16:36 (eight years ago)

Arrest this man

"Friends" of Bannon tell @Olivianuzzi that he refers to his multiple shirt look as beach fashion https://t.co/jPfLVLso46

— Oliver Darcy (@oliverdarcy) September 15, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 September 2017 16:45 (eight years ago)

That's totally weird, even by the standards of the day. But I'd guess he wears multiple shirts to keep the multiple sweat stains at bay.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 15 September 2017 16:53 (eight years ago)

lol jamiesummerz that is a very "2000s Fall" song title

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 15 September 2017 16:55 (eight years ago)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-and-democrats-strike-daca-deal-yes-no-sort-of-trumps-world-can-be-confusing/2017/09/14/ab6a40d4-9970-11e7-82e4-f1076f6d6152_story.html

At one point, Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross asked, “What exactly does the president get out of this deal?” As Pelosi, the only woman at the table of 11, tried to make her point — that the president gets the cooperation of the Democrats, which he will likely need on a host of issues — the men in the room began talking over her and one another.

“Do the women get to talk around here?” Pelosi interjected, according to two people familiar with the exchange.

There was, at last, silence, and she was not interrupted again.

Old Lynch's Sex Paragraph (Phil D.), Friday, 15 September 2017 16:57 (eight years ago)

There are some mental gymnastics involved in referring to the clothing found on the seaweed-strewn corpse of a drowned transient as 'beach fashion' but you do you, Steve.

Scott Staph (Old Lunch), Friday, 15 September 2017 17:05 (eight years ago)

some good news: Motel 6 has banned employees from sharing guest info w ICE

Οὖτις, Friday, 15 September 2017 17:11 (eight years ago)

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/9/15/16313888/senate-republicans-cassidy-graham-vote

should we be worried about this?

Οὖτις, Friday, 15 September 2017 18:18 (eight years ago)

ie, have any of the swing votes - Collins, Murkowski, etc. - come out in favor of this?

Οὖτις, Friday, 15 September 2017 18:19 (eight years ago)

McCain has

Moodles, Friday, 15 September 2017 18:27 (eight years ago)

How is there literally a tweet for everything. pic.twitter.com/pY9zK3Rh5p

— andrew kaczynski 🤔 (@KFILE) September 15, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 September 2017 18:32 (eight years ago)

Small but still

Pence spokesman Marc Lotter is leaving his White House role https://t.co/mzMz7XNaZG

— Capital Journal (@WSJPolitics) September 15, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 September 2017 18:41 (eight years ago)

wasnt he the guy they were crediting for pence's bold moves of late (setting up a pac, fundraising, etc)

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 15 September 2017 18:57 (eight years ago)

that guy I'm thinking of might have been chief of staff not press secretary.. either way I assume physically being in the white house might get one sucked into having to pay for a $1000/hr lawyer so its probably not a good idea to stick around

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 15 September 2017 18:58 (eight years ago)

Shortly after the meeting, the White House released an image of Scott and Trump in the Oval Office with Trump listening intently as Scott opines. A closer look, however, reveals that Trump took the meeting while wearing a blue suit jacket with black pants.

“An abomination,” Stone told Mediaite. “That’s what it is. We can only assume Kelly is now dressing Trump.”

https://www.mediaite.com/online/abomination-roger-stone-outraged-after-trump-wears-blue-suit-jacket-with-black-pants/

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 15 September 2017 19:01 (eight years ago)

OMG, that shit-covered feral human who I've personally watched devour several infants is wearing mismatched socks, I'm gunna barf.

Scott Staph (Old Lunch), Friday, 15 September 2017 19:06 (eight years ago)

Hmmm again

NEW: Flynn, Bannon, & Kushner secretly met Jordan's King while Flynn was pushing a 💰 deal for Mid East nuclear powerhttps://t.co/akGfafhTMR

— Chris McDaniel (@csmcdaniel) September 15, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 September 2017 19:06 (eight years ago)

BTW, may I please nominate 'An abomination. That's what it is.' as next month's thread title?

Scott Staph (Old Lunch), Friday, 15 September 2017 19:07 (eight years ago)

we already agreed on "Apologize for Untruth"

at least until tomorrow

Οὖτις, Friday, 15 September 2017 19:08 (eight years ago)

MAGA! NO DACA ! NO ESPN!

Dean of the University (Latham Green), Friday, 15 September 2017 19:23 (eight years ago)

"30 For 30? More Like Turdy For Turdy!"

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 15 September 2017 19:27 (eight years ago)

great, now I agree with Roger Stone about something.

evol j, Friday, 15 September 2017 20:04 (eight years ago)

Also that kid is doing a terrible job mowing. Rows are supposed to overlap. He's leaving ridges.

I could get some - dare I say it - immigrants who could do better.

Tegumai Bopsulai (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 15 September 2017 20:09 (eight years ago)

Oh well!

Former Sheriff David Clarke must revise thesis or risk losing degree, docs reveal https://t.co/uFvVjdYB9l

— andrew kaczynski 🤔 (@KFILE) September 15, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 September 2017 20:09 (eight years ago)

perfectly normal for a president to SHAKE THE FIRST LADY'S HAND.
perfectly NORMAL
perfectly NoRmAL pic.twitter.com/gW3P3qXtBE

— Oliver Willis (@owillis) September 15, 2017

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Friday, 15 September 2017 20:12 (eight years ago)

in other news

BREAKING: Federal judge says U.S. attorney general cannot withhold grant money from cities over so-called sanctuary cities status.

— The Associated Press (@AP) September 15, 2017

Οὖτις, Friday, 15 September 2017 21:02 (eight years ago)

Annnd

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chicagoinc/ct-firtash-0917-chicago-inc-20170915-story.html

The U.S. government has "thousands of intercepts" that can be used as evidence against Ukrainian billionaire oligarch Dmitry Firtash, federal prosecutors told a judge Friday as the fight over his extradition to Chicago rumbled on.

But lawyers for Firtash — who has ties to President Donald Trump's former campaign manager Paul Manafort — walked back their recent claim that Firtash could be brought from Austria to the U.S. "within weeks."

Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 September 2017 21:20 (eight years ago)

And more on this moron

GOP lawmaker sought White House deal to pardon Assange in exchange for evidence he said exonerated Russia of hacks https://t.co/gCp4SnHzk2

— Wall Street Journal (@WSJ) September 15, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 September 2017 21:50 (eight years ago)

(Referring to Rohrabacher in particular but yeah, him too.)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 September 2017 21:52 (eight years ago)

Meantime

BREAKING: Mueller hit Facebook with a search warrant over Trump-Russia; has more info than Congress. https://t.co/vi93mdz5Lp

— Eric Garland (@ericgarland) September 15, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 15 September 2017 23:06 (eight years ago)

"MANY SAID IT WAS THE BIGGEST CROWD ANYONE HAD EVER SEEN, BUT THE MEDIA IS VERY UNFAIR TO ME" pic.twitter.com/oy1cYgvPq3

— Patrick Monahan (@pattymo) September 15, 2017

I also liked this variant image:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJzBCdCUMAA6iFJ.jpg

grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 16 September 2017 01:13 (eight years ago)

My fucking god, shit is about to get bad, way worse than anything we've seen. Might as well get a few laughs in while we can...

carpet_kaiser, Saturday, 16 September 2017 01:16 (eight years ago)

There MAY be a trifling few larger issues in play, but I still think that kid is a shitty mower.

Tegumai Bopsulai (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 16 September 2017 02:36 (eight years ago)

he has to manhandle the kid, what a maroon

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Saturday, 16 September 2017 02:39 (eight years ago)

Do we need a thread just for posting Tweets of people captioning Trump photos you know what now that I say it probably not

but this laughed me up

computer, show me what it would be like if dennis the menace and mr. wilson switched bodies pic.twitter.com/EyAx563nO2

— Jake Currie (@jakecurrie) September 15, 2017

Wichita prepares for totality (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 16 September 2017 04:15 (eight years ago)

Interesting little detail

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/15/another-prosecutor-joins-trump-russia-investigation-242794

An attorney working on the Justice Department's highest-profile money laundering case recently transferred off that assignment in order to join the staff of the special prosecutor investigating the Trump campaign's potential ties to Russia, POLITICO has learned....

Before being detailed to Mueller's team, Freeny was shepherding the Justice Department's headline-grabbing effort to seize the profits from the film "The Wolf of Wall Street" on grounds that the film was financed with assets looted from the Malaysian government....

Freeny's work on the movie-related case and the Manafort aspect of the Trump-Russia probe appear to have some commonalities

The Justice Department billed the "Wolf of Wall Street" case as a product of the Kleptocracy Asset Recovery Initiative, an effort to pursue the proceeds of foreign corruption and return such monies to the public in the affected countries.

Justice Department officials including former Attorney General Eric Holder announced that the same kleptocracy project is probing the transfer of assets overseas by Ukrainian officials, including former President Viktor Yanukovych. Manafort served as a consultant to Yanukovych and his Party of Regions — work that has triggered suspicions about the former Trump campaign chief because of Yanukovych's warm relationship with Moscow.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 16 September 2017 13:42 (eight years ago)

THREAD: Why news that Mueller obtained a search warrant for Facebook content may be the biggest news in the case since the Manafort raid.

— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) September 16, 2017

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 16 September 2017 13:55 (eight years ago)

meant to link this earlier re: "Apologize now"

.@ESPN’s apology(Brent Musburger) was a disgrace to broadcasting--- stop being so politically correct!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 17, 2013

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 16 September 2017 13:56 (eight years ago)

I'm in Bethesda today but professional obligation prevents me from splitting to see the juggalos, sadly

harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 16 September 2017 16:05 (eight years ago)

We're opting to run some errands and then go to Ted Leo at the Black Cat. I'm thinking the Juggalos got this.

El Tomboto, Saturday, 16 September 2017 16:08 (eight years ago)

https://teapainusa.wordpress.com/2017/09/13/the-day-the-russia-data-machine-kicked-into-turbo/

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 16 September 2017 16:19 (eight years ago)

Also...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/15/us/politics/grassley-judiciary-chairman-russia-probe-subpoenas.html?smprod=nytcore-ipad&smid=nytcore-ipad-share

Senator Charles E. Grassley, facing what he sees as Justice Department stonewalling, is considering subpoenas to compel several witnesses to appear before the Senate Judiciary Committee and divulge what they know about President Trump’s connections to Russia and his firing of James B. Comey as F.B.I. director.

Mr. Grassley and the committee’s top Democrat, Senator Dianne Feinstein of California, have agreed that the witnesses are key to the committee’s investigation and could compel them to appear despite apparent objections by the Justice Department and the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III.

The witnesses include two top F.B.I. officials who worked alongside Mr. Comey, James Rybicki and Carl Ghattas, as well as Paul Manafort, Mr. Trump’s former campaign chairman. Committee rules require Ms. Feinstein to sign off on subpoenas, and she has not made her position clear. But she has expressed her frustration with the delays.

“Nothing works in this area as we want it to because everything gets delayed,” Ms. Feinstein said on Thursday. “Either this happens or that happens. It’s very difficult, but we are moving along.”

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 16 September 2017 16:36 (eight years ago)

wait, we have child labor working the WH lawn?

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 16 September 2017 16:41 (eight years ago)

They'd do a better job in the comms department.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 16 September 2017 16:45 (eight years ago)

there have been so many strange stories and sub stories in this Russia thing, layers and layers and layers, but that Trump Tower server connected to Russia remains one of the most curious. And one of the earliest.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 16 September 2017 17:04 (eight years ago)

Like, on its own, isolated, it seems awfully suspicious. In conjunction with several dozen other red flags, it just seems completely bonkers.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 16 September 2017 17:05 (eight years ago)

What is happening

Trump administration won't pull out of Paris accord, offers to re-engage in climate deal, EU official says https://t.co/v9eHLcRtZH

— Wall Street Journal (@WSJ) September 16, 2017

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 16 September 2017 20:50 (eight years ago)

When Trump announced the USA was pulling out (which will require several years to 'officially' accomplish), he spoke about reopening talks and getting a Much Better Deal For Us. Almost every signatory nation has already said that renegotiating the Paris accord is a complete non-starter. This sounds like the usual flak of unclear and conflicting statements that you can't trust in any way, which seems like a hallmark of this administration.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 16 September 2017 20:56 (eight years ago)

Then of course this guy again

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/rep-dana-rohrabacher-someone-leaked-very-important-call-with-john-kelly-concerning-wikileaks/article/2634632

Also, at the very end:

Rohrabacher was quoted earlier this week as saying he believed Confederate war re-enactors had been tricked into rallying in Charlottesville, Va., last month. He said he stood by those remarks.

"I don't think I was misquoted, (but) there should be no implication that I believe Civil War re-enactors are stupid," he said. Rohrabacher said he can't recall the source of that information, but that he believes he heard it in a news report.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 16 September 2017 20:56 (eight years ago)

This sounds like the usual flak of unclear and conflicting statements that you can't trust in any way, which seems like a hallmark of this administration.

Well, I do believe there was a kid mowing the lawn yesterday but that's about it.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 16 September 2017 20:57 (eight years ago)

sad lol at the idea that the thing to walk back in that statement is the implication that confederacy-loving civil war reenactors are easily duped

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 16 September 2017 21:12 (eight years ago)

"I don't think I was misquoted, (but) there should be no implication that I believe Civil War re-enactors are stupid," he said.

"They're at least as smart as I am!"

WilliamC, Saturday, 16 September 2017 21:14 (eight years ago)

ARE YOU BARRON? pic.twitter.com/vigWIGWMzq

— Todd 'Papi' Carlos (@TheToddWilliams) September 16, 2017

rock and roll tucci coo (voodoo chili), Saturday, 16 September 2017 21:29 (eight years ago)

So sad

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/russia-probes-leave-trump-associates-struggling-with-huge-legal-bills/article/2634655

An expanding special counsel probe into the Trump campaign's alleged Russian ties has saddled many of President Trump's current and former associates with hefty legal fees and left them few options for footing the bill.

More than a dozen people, including the president and vice president, are known to have hired attorneys to help them navigate special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation and several additional probes in Congress. Some have complained about the burden of paying for their legal bills without assistance from the wealthy president whose campaign is in the crosshairs of federal investigators.

"It's very expensive and nobody's called me and offered to help," Michael Caputo, a former Trump campaign adviser who has been contacted by congressional investigators, told the Washington Examiner.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 17 September 2017 01:26 (eight years ago)

"I have the associate costs of being in the spotlight of a bogus investigation, so I have security costs now," Caputo said, noting that his family has received "death threats" as a result of his media exposure. "We've had to install security. I've had to take security precautions at both my home and at my office, and with my children, so these all add up very quickly."

Caputo described the Russia probe as politically motivated and argued Trump's opponents will not stop until "there's a smoking crater where he once stood."

"This can add up to hundreds of thousands of dollars for people, and that's where destroying people comes in," Caputo said.

Cry, the beloved adviser.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 17 September 2017 01:27 (eight years ago)

I'd love to know who this is, though I imagine it's not anyone famous/infamous -- though you never know.

Another former campaign hand said Trump "has hung us out to dry" by leaving associates to drown in their attorneys' fees.

"Multibillionaire Donald Trump has a moral obligation to pay the mounting legal bills of his advisers who are facing four-, five- and six-figure costs just for doing their jobs," said a former Trump adviser who had to pay thousands of dollars of his own money for legal representation.

"After all, the reason Trump advisers have any legal bills at all is because Trump and key spokespersons like Hope Hicks and Kellyanne Conway repeatedly misled the public over Russia contacts, no matter how benign," the former adviser told the Washington Examiner. "Such lies gave congressional and federal investigators, let alone the media, probable cause to destroy our lives at will. Some reward for loyal service to President Trump."

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 17 September 2017 01:29 (eight years ago)

"Multibillionaire Donald Trump has a moral obligation to pay the mounting legal bills of his advisers who are facing four-, five- and six-figure costs just for doing their jobs," said a former Trump adviser who had to pay thousands of dollars of his own money for legal representation.

I encourage this person to hold their breath while waiting. To tie a bag over their head if it'll help, even.

grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 17 September 2017 01:50 (eight years ago)

Apparently legal insurance is a real thing? When I saw David Axelrod interviewed the other week, he said when he came to Washington everyone told him to get legal insurance, and he was basically, why should I? Got to admit, compared to Clinton and Bush, let along=e Trump, by all accounts Obama ran a clean operation.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 17 September 2017 02:11 (eight years ago)

"Some reward for loyal service to President Trump" ahhhhh delicious, keep it coming guys

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 17 September 2017 02:15 (eight years ago)

Sickest burn so far were those posts from Manafort's kids accusing him of taking blood money.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 17 September 2017 02:24 (eight years ago)

Leaked texts:

"Don't fool yourself," Andrea wrote to her sister, according to the texts. "That money we have is blood money."

"You know he has killed people in Ukraine? Knowingly," she continued, according to the reviewed texts. "As a tactic to outrage the world and get focus on Ukraine. Remember when there were all those deaths taking place. A while back. About a year ago. Revolts and what not. Do you know whose strategy that was to cause that, to send those people out and get them slaughtered."

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 17 September 2017 02:25 (eight years ago)

These are some nasty people.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 17 September 2017 02:26 (eight years ago)

Sorry I find this thread hard to follow at times. Leaked texts by whom? Who are they talking about?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 17 September 2017 02:55 (eight years ago)

posted right above, more or less. These were texts between Manaforts two kids talking about their dad back in 2015.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 17 September 2017 02:59 (eight years ago)

oh duh yes thanks

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Sunday, 17 September 2017 06:14 (eight years ago)

It's worth taking those texts with a large pinch of salt for a variety of reasons but Manafort is an absolutely terrible person, as a cursory glance at his client list will tell you. Most of his money is blood money.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Sunday, 17 September 2017 07:33 (eight years ago)

Would be so good if Trump bankrupted himself paying the legal fees for everyone he felt responsible for. But isn't that rather an empty set?
Does he feel any culpability for the current situation or is it all inconvenient consequences of people not following his wishes.
Would also be great if becoming bankrupt voided his status and ejected him from his current role. But ain't going to happen unfortunately.

Stevolende, Sunday, 17 September 2017 09:25 (eight years ago)

he's already been bankrupt how many times? the whole reason he's president is because he's financially compromised by the russian mob/government

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 17 September 2017 11:07 (eight years ago)

xp I don't think he feels any responsibility to anyone but himself, yeah. It's never his fault. And if he went bankrupt he'd probably just sell $100 MAGA hats to idiots until he had a wad again.

Wichita prepares for totality (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 17 September 2017 11:25 (eight years ago)

Definitely morally bankrupt.

Is going bankrupt 6 times a high number? Presumably only possible if one inherits money and has other sources of money to fall back on. Which might be some kind of indication as to how much one ought to trust somebody who has been.
& shame there isn't an amendment preventing somebody who has done that multiple times from attaining political positions.

I did know that he had been bankrupt several times.

I just saw a 2013 piece from the Daily Show about how all the right people weren't attracted to running for congress and those that were attracted to were probably not the right people. So wondering if that is still valid 4 years later, which i suppose is likely. & what having the current execrable situation peeled back and nullified would reveal under it. I take it one reason the current situation happened was because people were sick to death of the prevailing situation before it.i
o wonder to what extent the possibility of heavy reform of government set up is likely to happen if this is sorted. Does it just leave things totally messed up anyway.

Stevolende, Sunday, 17 September 2017 12:06 (eight years ago)

He's never been personally bankrupt is the out, only been in charge of companies that have declared corporate bankruptcy.

I admit I'm not quite certain if all of the consequences of tying the presidency to financial success have been thought through.

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 17 September 2017 12:38 (eight years ago)

nobody's perfect; our system is bullshit. it's not the bankruptcies that bug me really, but the magnitude, sending 2scoops into the arms of vladdy

"most American banks stopped lending to him following his multiple bankruptcies"

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-boot-trump-russian-connection-20160725-snap-story.html

forget corruption / collusion / treason -- no democrat this financially inept gets anywhere near the white house

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 17 September 2017 12:55 (eight years ago)

xpost Per the same David Axelrod appearance I saw, he brought up (in response to a question) the unfortunate paradox of public service in the fundraising era: even well-intentioned idealists want to get re-elected (to best serve their constituents), which costs money, which means a ton of time spent fundraising, which means kissing up to people with money, which means promises and compromises to the people with money ahead of the needs of constituents, because how can you best represent your constituents if you don't get re-elected? And so on. Basically, Citizen's United has made this worse, but that seems almost the logical conclusion rather than the start of this cycle of corruption. I think plenty of good people run or want to run for office, but the reality of it makes it tough.

Incidentally, if I didn't mention it earlier, he was asked about Nancy Pelosi and her leadership, and whether Dems needed a change. His answer was interesting. He began by praising her as without a doubt the savviest, most capable politician he worked with in Washington, bar none. He didn't even have to think about it. At the same time, his concern was her age, and the age of other people in positions of power. It's not that she's not capable now, it's that there needs to be younger faces rather than just new faces, both for a new perspective but also for exposure, putting them in place to run for higher office but also to replace people like Pelosi when they eventually retire (of their own volition or not).

Probably deserves to be in the Dem Party thread. Anyway, back on track. Trump is a shithead. I really think what we're seeing is a repeat of how his business organization worked. That is, Trump himself is not particularly savvy or smart about anything, he just surrounds himself with a tight-knit crew of self-serving and almost myopically selfish individuals. That worked (in the general sense) for his private business, but it clearly failed in the public sector, let alone in Washington. I think bringing in Kelly and pushing out Bannon has already made a huge difference in DC operations, but it's probably already too late for the dude, since all the asshats he surrounded himself with from the start could or would not protect him from inflicting all his self-inflicted wounds.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 17 September 2017 14:10 (eight years ago)

We'll never have a decent guvmint til raising Big Money is no longer necessary. yep, never

lol:

When will the violence end pic.twitter.com/kjRy3L5liX

— Julian Epp (@Julian_Epp) September 16, 2017

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 17 September 2017 14:12 (eight years ago)

The 2013 Daily Show thing was talking about a local representative who was contacted by Washington and offered the chance to run for congress, but thought they were better off working locally where they were looking out for their constituents. Also thought that congress was self-defeating and created its own time consuming processes to no great end.

I had the feeling back in 2005 when i was first getting involved in a local campaign in Mayo that Irish politicians got sucked into an inner circle of those in power rather than the representative position they were elected for. I would assume that the US power structure is similar. Hopefully people are becoming progressively aware of that. I take it that is what Town Halls were supposed to be addressing at least in part.

Stevolende, Sunday, 17 September 2017 14:29 (eight years ago)

This keeps getting better and better

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/16/trump-bannon-alabama-senate-showdown-242802

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 17 September 2017 14:54 (eight years ago)

Thank you! https://t.co/vs4MNwXtei

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 17, 2017

what's with all these "lana del"- twitter users

Treeship, Sunday, 17 September 2017 16:21 (eight years ago)

also it's still surreal to me that the president of the united states engages on twitter with anonymous randos who have pictures of lana del rey as their profile pic

Treeship, Sunday, 17 September 2017 16:22 (eight years ago)

Most importantly

Can't get over how good this sign is pic.twitter.com/OSrWSj3clw

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) September 16, 2017

El Tomboto, Sunday, 17 September 2017 16:26 (eight years ago)

http://pressthink.org/2017/09/normalizing-trump-incredibly-brief-explainer/

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 17 September 2017 16:34 (eight years ago)

That's fine and relatively concise but that was all clear as day by the end of fucking February iirc. But maybe I just live too close to the source

El Tomboto, Sunday, 17 September 2017 16:53 (eight years ago)

I'm Scottish and thought that was clear.

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Sunday, 17 September 2017 17:12 (eight years ago)

i mean given the handwringing over jemele hill it's clearly *not* apparent to a large swath of people

maura, Sunday, 17 September 2017 19:19 (eight years ago)

Exactly, all these things. The greatest shock (for me) of Trump being prez isn't his lack of...anything, he's exactly who he I knew he was. it's the incredible stupidity of people whom I understood to have better than average understanding of...anything. Trump is terrible-bad, but America is not simply dumb, but STILL willing to be straight evil in ways I'd hoped we'd overcome, post-War. I guess my only hope is that it is not a clear majority that is willing to be straight-evil, just an electoral-college-disputable-victory-majority.

felix! phelix! ghelix! (Hunt3r), Sunday, 17 September 2017 21:28 (eight years ago)

What's that George Carlin quote? "Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 17 September 2017 21:32 (eight years ago)

I find it is more accurate to think of stupidity as inhering in a person's actions than as a personality trait. Of course, some people do stupid things with astounding frequency.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 17 September 2017 21:36 (eight years ago)

two pieces of advice which i trust tbh.

felix! phelix! ghelix! (Hunt3r), Sunday, 17 September 2017 21:39 (eight years ago)

Whomp whomp

JUST IN: Michael Cohen to testify before the Senate Intelligence Committee on Tuesday, he tells NBC News

— NBC Politics (@NBCPolitics) September 17, 2017

SCOOP: Don McGahn scolded Ty Cobb for discussing Russia investigation at DC steakhouse, where @nytimes overheard it. https://t.co/sg1u1Gwp0I

— Kenneth P. Vogel (@kenvogel) September 18, 2017

DISSENT INSIDE TRUMP LEGAL TEAM: Ty Cobb complained that McGahn is withholding documents & has a spy on Cobb's team. https://t.co/sg1u1Gwp0I

— Kenneth P. Vogel (@kenvogel) September 18, 2017

Tension between the two comes as life in the White House is shadowed by the investigation. Not only do Mr. Trump, Mr. Kushner and Mr. McGahn all have lawyers, but so do other senior officials. The uncertainty has grown to the point that White House officials privately express fear that colleagues may be wearing a wire to surreptitiously record conversations for Mr. Mueller.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 18 September 2017 01:13 (eight years ago)

As for that steakhouse things

The friction escalated in recent days after Mr. Cobb was overheard by a reporter for The New York Times discussing the dispute during a lunchtime conversation at a popular Washington steakhouse. Mr. Cobb was heard talking about a White House lawyer he deemed “a McGahn spy” and saying Mr. McGahn had “a couple documents locked in a safe” that he seemed to suggest he wanted access to. He also mentioned a colleague whom he blamed for “some of these earlier leaks,” and who he said “tried to push Jared out,” meaning Jared Kushner, the president’s son-in-law and senior adviser, who has been a previous source of dispute for the legal team.

After The Times contacted the White House about the situation, Mr. McGahn privately erupted at Mr. Cobb, according to people informed about the confrontation who asked not to be named describing internal matters. John F. Kelly, the White House chief of staff, sharply reprimanded Mr. Cobb for his indiscretion, the people said.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 18 September 2017 01:14 (eight years ago)

a...steakhouse for lunch? Bet they drank iced tea.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 September 2017 01:19 (eight years ago)

Oddly enough I was at a steakhouse for lunch today. (Not in DC, no White House lawyers, and I ordered a burger and had a beer.)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 18 September 2017 01:22 (eight years ago)

Also I love that the White House staff are now even more paranoid about each other and their wires that may or may not exist.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 18 September 2017 01:22 (eight years ago)

a...steakhouse for lunch? Bet they drank iced tea.

exactly, wtf.

El Tomboto, Monday, 18 September 2017 01:26 (eight years ago)

Another useful thread from dude

THREAD: What does today's @nytimes story about clashes within the Trump legal team tell us?

— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) September 18, 2017

Ned Raggett, Monday, 18 September 2017 02:37 (eight years ago)

And here's a photo!

Here's a photo of Ty Cobb & John Dowd casually & loudly discussing details of Russia investigation at @BLTSteakDC while I sat at next table. pic.twitter.com/RfX9JLJ0Te

— Kenneth P. Vogel (@kenvogel) September 18, 2017

Looks like, what, Pellegrino?

Ned Raggett, Monday, 18 September 2017 04:15 (eight years ago)

LMAO these two-bit crooks

Rob Lowe fresco bar (m bison), Monday, 18 September 2017 04:16 (eight years ago)

The followup comments feature a variety of DC reporters raving over the location's popovers, so, um, there you go.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 18 September 2017 04:16 (eight years ago)

This is completely incompetent and unethical. Cobb and Dowd owe their client a duty of confidentiality. https://t.co/TV1pPme91e

— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) September 18, 2017

Ned Raggett, Monday, 18 September 2017 04:18 (eight years ago)

1/ Breathtaking. I can't even begin to explain what a serious breach of lawyer ethics this is. Completely unbelievable. Lawyers have a https://t.co/bQYUXAYQAB

— Trisha Rich (@_trishrich) September 18, 2017

Ned Raggett, Monday, 18 September 2017 04:20 (eight years ago)

Ty Cobb: "Hardheaded/Fuck You All!"

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 18 September 2017 04:43 (eight years ago)

While it is interesting to note what fuckups Trump's main lawyers are and how much milling around and shouting they do, all that really matters is what Mueller unearths and how he chooses to frame it.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 18 September 2017 04:49 (eight years ago)

Thus, per the threads I've linked, whatever is in the safe.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 18 September 2017 05:00 (eight years ago)

Yup.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 18 September 2017 05:01 (eight years ago)

At least they didn't order iced tea

El Tomboto, Monday, 18 September 2017 05:08 (eight years ago)

i would have ordered an iced tea

crüt, Monday, 18 September 2017 05:32 (eight years ago)

what's wrong with iced tea?

Wichita prepares for totality (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 18 September 2017 06:23 (eight years ago)

How does Kushner still have clearance?

Is it predictable that the orange idiot has idiot lawyers.

Is it an attempted 6D chess cunning ruse of misdirection. Cue stage whisper naming an unlikely fall guy.
Can any of the team play draughts yet?

Stevolende, Monday, 18 September 2017 08:22 (eight years ago)

what's wrong with iced tea?

― Wichita prepares for totality (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, September 18, 2017

Precisely because it's the corporate alternative to the prohibition against the two-martini lunch.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 September 2017 11:01 (eight years ago)

that is a dumb reason to hate on iced tea with lunch, which is delicious

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 18 September 2017 11:58 (eight years ago)

I didn't say anything about a normal lunch -- I drink lemonade with my sandwich. I meant lunch at a steakhouse.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 September 2017 12:16 (eight years ago)

I think we covered this on last year's cinema detritus thread, because of that one scene in HoHW oh here it is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65-cpYYA-yk

El Tomboto, Monday, 18 September 2017 12:26 (eight years ago)

What don't you want?

a stupid lawyer

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 September 2017 12:36 (eight years ago)

The 4D chess crew is claiming they leaked this on purpose, that they knew the reporter was there and wanted him to hear it. Every lawyer with a modicum of sense is basically responding to that with, uh, I don't think so.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 18 September 2017 12:55 (eight years ago)

Hahah well well

Breaking: #MichaelFlynn establishes legal defense fund, will NOT accept donations from overseas or Trump Org/campaign says Flynn source pic.twitter.com/FXM76pDxVJ

— Jim Sciutto (@jimsciutto) September 18, 2017

Ned Raggett, Monday, 18 September 2017 13:01 (eight years ago)

Hoo boy, but none of this sounds unexpected

https://apnews.com/4cef63caf6b34cb796bc4c196d47c143/How-Trump's-advisers-schooled-him-on-globalism

Ned Raggett, Monday, 18 September 2017 13:10 (eight years ago)

"If i did 1 10th of what she did"

what about Pence's emails?

Stevolende, Monday, 18 September 2017 13:34 (eight years ago)

gonna be awesome in 4 years when Kellyanne Conway is invited to do a hilarious sketch on SNL about the Bowling Green massacre

frogbs, Monday, 18 September 2017 13:48 (eight years ago)

So I studied Afghanistan in great detail and from every conceivable angle.

Sure you did, Donald. Half an hour morelike.

Armed with charts, maps and diagrams, those briefers spent the next roughly 90 minutes explaining to Trump the critical importance of forward worldwide deployments of U.S. military, intelligence and diplomatic assets...

"Celebration" encourages the listener to celebrate good times. (Dan Peterson), Monday, 18 September 2017 14:08 (eight years ago)

Repeated spelling tests which Donald failed because he got "Kabul" wrong.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 September 2017 14:12 (eight years ago)

Mariotti with a full new piece on the possible state of play

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/09/18/how-to-read-bob-mueller-hand-215616

Ned Raggett, Monday, 18 September 2017 14:47 (eight years ago)

lots of Hot Takes about Spicey on the Emmys

I thought Lorne Michaels had taught us that Everything is Showbiz

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 September 2017 15:25 (eight years ago)

BTW re: lunch in steakhouses, yeah it is a thing. But it's not as decadent as it sounds (alas); IME mostly people are eating sandwiches and crabcakes and stuff, and drinking San Pellegrino.

IME relatively few people drink booze at lunch in DC. Which is a bummer, because I do, enthusiastically, and I wish I had more company in the traditional journalistic lunchtime booze-up.

And it's worth noting that while it sounds annoyingly swampish that politicians and journalists will frequent the same lunch places? Actually, BLT Steak is NEXT DOOR to the DC office of the New York Times. Which changes the context somewhat.

Tegumai Bopsulai (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 18 September 2017 15:34 (eight years ago)

To be clear, I've been to steakhouses for lunch, and when my visit happens to fall on a weekday off the dining room is filled with corporate types drinking iced tea with their burgers or Caesar salads.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 September 2017 15:36 (eight years ago)

Exactly. Pikers. In my grandfather's day they'd already be drunk by 1.

Tegumai Bopsulai (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 18 September 2017 15:40 (eight years ago)

thanks for reminding me that i should get a burger at peter luger's soon thank you again

ian, Monday, 18 September 2017 15:59 (eight years ago)

why would someone go by ty cobb?

Treeship, Monday, 18 September 2017 16:43 (eight years ago)

the name's been taken by a hall of fame baseball player. william mayses don't go by willy i hope.

Treeship, Monday, 18 September 2017 16:44 (eight years ago)

His son's name is Cornonthe

Tegumai Bopsulai (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 18 September 2017 17:05 (eight years ago)

Cobb is a descendant of the HOFer.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 September 2017 17:17 (eight years ago)

i like ice tea quite a bit

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 18 September 2017 18:01 (eight years ago)

Flynn's lawyers, it seems, prefer to not gossip in public and get in fights with reporters. Yet.

Scoop —> More Than Seven Lawyers Working On Michael Flynn's Defense Team https://t.co/edXMIYtJwJ

— Chris Geidner (@chrisgeidner) September 18, 2017

Ned Raggett, Monday, 18 September 2017 18:04 (eight years ago)

i'm confused it's bad not to get drunk at lunch?
i can't really do that

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 18 September 2017 18:04 (eight years ago)

also i hate drinking the day unless i can keep going into the night, stopping is the worst then you're all of a sudden lethargic and tired then like starting to get hungover at like 7:30 at nite

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 18 September 2017 18:07 (eight years ago)

healthcare repeal coming again and it seems serious

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 18 September 2017 18:08 (eight years ago)

His son's name is Cornonthe

goddammit ymp

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 18 September 2017 18:08 (eight years ago)

xps but Urgh, sorry, UMS, didn't mean to sobershame anybody. Personally I enjoy athletic levels of drinking, but I shouldn't imply that I negatively judge people who prefer other sorts of recreation. I hereby retract the upthread judginess.

Tegumai Bopsulai (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 18 September 2017 18:10 (eight years ago)

https://vimeo.com/152278882

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 September 2017 18:14 (eight years ago)

i wasn't offended or anything i just don't get the anti ice tea thing is all, i didn't know that was some nagl thing in some circles

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 18 September 2017 18:16 (eight years ago)

man I could discuss iced tea for days if it meant forgetting Trump.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 18 September 2017 18:26 (eight years ago)

http://www.rapbasement.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Vh1_Ice_T_121.jpg

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 September 2017 18:29 (eight years ago)

Ice-T and CoCo in the West Wing

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 18 September 2017 18:37 (eight years ago)

McCain "reluctantly" basked in tons of adulation for demanding regular order. Now he will "reluctantly" reveal all of it to be a sham. https://t.co/gt7yuZMdb4

— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) September 18, 2017

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 September 2017 18:56 (eight years ago)

Paul's already a no, just need murkowski and collins to stand firm

Οὖτις, Monday, 18 September 2017 19:22 (eight years ago)

_and_

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 18 September 2017 19:25 (eight years ago)

vicious media backlash at Spicer on the Emmys but, I dunno. I always felt a little sad for that poor asshole.

akm, Monday, 18 September 2017 20:29 (eight years ago)

not so much at Spicer as phony showbiz limo liberals afaik

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 September 2017 20:33 (eight years ago)

you know, those following in the tradition of Ellen hugging W

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 September 2017 20:34 (eight years ago)

chapelle's "great diversity, I counted 11 black people" comment was good

akm, Monday, 18 September 2017 20:35 (eight years ago)

vicious media backlash at Spicer on the Emmys but, I dunno. I always felt a little sad for that poor asshole.

― akm, Monday, September 18, 2017 8:29 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah, the propaganda tool who lied about nearly everything, who said Hitler didn't use "chemicals", deserves our sympathy here...

If anything it was a shambles by Hollywood/the entertainment industry, to make Spicer an offer - make a fool out of yourself, we'll give you that opportunity, you'll get out of it better and more loved - he couldn't refuse.

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 18 September 2017 20:50 (eight years ago)

Trump is such an awful piece of shit that I can get sympathy for almost everyone else around him. Even felt a bit for Sessions when the story came up about his dressing down. But they've all chosen this, and they only deserve scorn, yeah.

Frederik B, Monday, 18 September 2017 21:05 (eight years ago)

I can get sympathy for almost everyone else around him. Even felt a bit for Sessions

the rolling stones have a great song about this btw

Doctor Casino, Monday, 18 September 2017 21:13 (eight years ago)

I too felt bad about Sessions. I regretted that he didn't die of a heart attack upon being humiliated by D2S.

cosmic brain dildo (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 18 September 2017 21:14 (eight years ago)

Dangerous ground. 'Hitler was so awful we can forget Eichmann and Goebbels". Yeah, no way.

So how did this administrations Goebbels end up on the Emmy's podium receiving applause? How?

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 18 September 2017 21:14 (eight years ago)

Not comfortable with the WWII comparisons myself, but come the fuck on.... The most hated, lying press person gets a round of applause by Murica's most privileged people, actors and film people, four months after he denied Hitler used "chemicals"? Blatantly lied about the turn up at Trump's inauguration? Really?

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 18 September 2017 21:18 (eight years ago)

Good luck USA etc

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 18 September 2017 21:19 (eight years ago)

as pointed out on Twitter by many, the Bush invaders/torturers were 'forgotten' and hired by the Left-Wing Media

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 18 September 2017 21:58 (eight years ago)

Jokes at the Emmys are definitely the clearest indicator of our moral course as a nation

El Tomboto, Monday, 18 September 2017 22:09 (eight years ago)

Well, there is always the good chance they were laughing at him while he thought they were laughing with him.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 18 September 2017 22:15 (eight years ago)

Jokes at the Emmys are definitely the clearest indicator of our moral course as a nation

― El Tomboto, Monday, September 18, 2017 10:09 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Not sure if you are sarcastic or not. For they are, those jokes. It's what the rest of the world sees of youse. And has millions of you glued to the screen, spawning 'omg that Spicer he sure is funny!' clickbait reads on Buzzfeed and whatnot. That is the moral course of America. It's coming out all warped, but it's not wrong.

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 18 September 2017 22:22 (eight years ago)

With Trump about to speak to the U.N. I feel like we may get another spate of "today Trump became president" spewed out by the pundit class.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 18 September 2017 22:25 (eight years ago)

It would be awesome if every public speaking appearance by Trump was met by hilarious laughter. Like a laugh track.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 18 September 2017 22:26 (eight years ago)

feel like the emmys were paying spicer off for making snl semi relevant again

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 18 September 2017 22:26 (eight years ago)

It's specifically the awful way Trump behaves towards his underlings that makes me momentarily sympathetic. But it's short term, they're all awful. I think Stalin is a better example than Hitler, I can feel a bit of sympathy when I see pictures from the show trials, and those people were often mass murderers.

LBI do you know of anyone who watches the Emmys? They're on in the middle of the night, and they're hardly the oscars. I just saw a couple writeups in the newspapers, but nobody seems to care?

Frederik B, Monday, 18 September 2017 22:27 (eight years ago)

But Spicer is an asshole and they shouldn't have had him on. Just making that clear.

Frederik B, Monday, 18 September 2017 22:28 (eight years ago)

LBI do you know of anyone who watches the Emmys? They're on in the middle of the night, and they're hardly the oscars. I just saw a couple writeups in the newspapers, but nobody seems to care?

― Frederik B, Monday, September 18, 2017 10:27 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I don't. No-one here watches that shit. But the media are all over it the day after, regardless, for inexplicable reasons. It's on the news, the 'political gag of year' is widely reported all over Europe, the Spicer bit is rehashed, ridiculed yet also praised in comedy and late night shows, har har har. It's endemic, the way Europe pays attention to this completely irrelevant shit-show.

Glad to see some people at least questioning the applause for and the act of Spicer. It's revolting. And here's this hall full of actors and directors clapping their hands sore for it. Fuck them all.

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 18 September 2017 22:34 (eight years ago)

You normally seem pretty level headed so it's odd to see you lose your shit over this. It was pretty obvious the applause was for Colbert and the producers for pulling off the gag, nobody who was in that room thinks Spicer is anything more than a pathetic douche. And they talked (relatively) immense amounts of shit about POTUS and the administration throughout the rest of the show. Also Spicer is Goebbels? Really? Different in both degree and kind, fortunately.

El Tomboto, Monday, 18 September 2017 22:44 (eight years ago)

I don't know. If everyone sees him as a pathetic douche, why take him on in the first place? I'm not losing my shit, won't lose any sleep over it. It just seems odd, to bash Trump yet hail Spicer on stage in some ~ironic~ funny way, on the same show.

Obv the Godwin was a stretch, I said as much (hopefully).

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 18 September 2017 22:48 (eight years ago)

Mueller told Manafort to expect an indictment, per LaFraniere, @mattapuzzo @adamgoldmanNYT https://t.co/7pWlbpRyHc

— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) September 18, 2017

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 18 September 2017 23:04 (eight years ago)

CNN exclusive: "US investigators wiretapped former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort under secret court orders…" https://t.co/aAmDAbWjiB

— Brian Stelter (@brianstelter) September 18, 2017

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 18 September 2017 23:04 (eight years ago)

Minor details!

Ned Raggett, Monday, 18 September 2017 23:04 (eight years ago)

Not to belabor the obvious, but court orders for wiretaps are always secret.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 18 September 2017 23:06 (eight years ago)

is this the trump tower wiretap trump complained about right after the election?

Treeship, Monday, 18 September 2017 23:08 (eight years ago)

I can see how he would think that was the case if they had taps on Manafort's residence in Trump Tower

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 18 September 2017 23:17 (eight years ago)

so the raid on manafort's house wasn't an implied threat of an indictment, it came with a bonus literal threat of indictment from mueller!

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 18 September 2017 23:42 (eight years ago)

Is the iced tea joke that these guys were drinking iced tea and talking loudly about this stuff in public, the point being that this debacle could be half-explained away if they were taking fireball shots? That these people are so clueless and careless that they were disclosing this information...stone sober?

The Harsh Tutelage of Michael McDonald (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 00:10 (eight years ago)

the picture contains no iced tea afaict. it looks like they might be having actual cocktails.

the iced tea joke is that going to a steakhouse for lunch and having iced tea with your meal is exactly what douchebags do all the time. it's totally predictable. the waitperson asks the important business people what they would like to drink, and soda pop is for kids / is bad for you, it's "too early" for booze, and sticking with water is... pedestrian? I don't understand. Everybody gets goddamned iced tea at lunch. And it's basically always weak and bitter. Pathetic conformism imo.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 00:21 (eight years ago)

Alfred is I think just a little weird about not drinking, I recollect him spitting fire that, in that one photo of Trump and Romney at dinner, there was just water on the table.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 00:27 (eight years ago)

I found the previous discussion. This is the thread where we discuss matters pertaining to the detrius that accompanies the "End of the Year in Cinema" -- 2016

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 00:39 (eight years ago)

what, steakhouses are too good for good old american coca-cola

j., Tuesday, 19 September 2017 00:41 (eight years ago)

weak and bitter

Rather like the dreams of our once-proud nation.

Each of us faces a strong moral choice. (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 00:47 (eight years ago)

nobody who was in that room thinks Spicer is anything more than a pathetic douche.

yeah, at the Emmys. He had great ratings for a couple months, at least a third of them would sell their kids for that.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 01:21 (eight years ago)

i think the prez of CBS who said that Trump was great for business was in that room

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 01:29 (eight years ago)

https://youtu.be/PsRQzFI4ntw

ein Sexmonster (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 01:32 (eight years ago)

I kinda don't care as much about whether Emmy attendees think Spicer is a joke as I do about the normalization and implied public absolution inherent in letting a (ex-)Trump administration figure be in on the joke.

Scott Staph (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 02:00 (eight years ago)

That divide is getting wider and wider everyday. Man oh man.

carpet_kaiser, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 02:01 (eight years ago)

Like, this only differs from Michaels putting Trump on SNL inasmuch as Spicer isn't running for public office (yet).

Scott Staph (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 02:02 (eight years ago)

Lorne Michaels putting Trump on was an act of sheer psychopathic greed. People are dead in part because of him. And it's funny. Even Stephen Colbert agrees with that one.

It's time to wake up from this dream we were all raised in.

carpet_kaiser, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 02:11 (eight years ago)

Who is the dreamer?

wmlynch, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 02:29 (eight years ago)

Whoever dreams

carpet_kaiser, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 02:32 (eight years ago)

Whomever is afflicted with da dreamz

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 02:35 (eight years ago)

as I do about the normalization and implied public absolution inherent in letting a (ex-)Trump administration figure be in on the joke

yes, and this is why every publication that covers the Emmys crapped on the joke almost instantaneously

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 02:37 (eight years ago)

Whomever is afflicted with da dreamz

― El Tomboto, Monday, September 18, 2017 10:35 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You just killed the bad student Euro art film vibe here

carpet_kaiser, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 02:38 (eight years ago)

More fun!

Eric Trump's foundation apparently held a secret event at a Trump-owned golf club while it's under investigation. https://t.co/7IJ0bftAlx

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) September 19, 2017

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 03:25 (eight years ago)

Ty Cobb: "Hardheaded/Fuck You All!"

― to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, September 18, 2017 12:43 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I lol'ed

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 03:44 (eight years ago)

really enjoyed tomboy's anti-iced tea rant up there

k3vin k., Tuesday, 19 September 2017 04:26 (eight years ago)

tombot*

k3vin k., Tuesday, 19 September 2017 04:26 (eight years ago)

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/social-security-disability-backlog-tops-1-million-thousands-die-on-waitlist/

unfortunately the UK is currently (in the guise of PIP, aided + abetted by ATOS etc) copying the US model of "welfare State". Well whaddya know, thousands of disabled people die if you deprive them of any support.

calzino, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 09:25 (eight years ago)

What's sad is how many Americans have been taught to say "good" in response to that.

And the forces behind it are the same ones that have shattered communities, family life, and beliefs in altruism for profit, leaving people with literally nothing except suffering and death.

Then we get to watch the elite hobnob with Nazi apologists on TV's premier event.

carpet_kaiser, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 10:22 (eight years ago)

mmmm elite hobnobs

Gulley Jimson (Ward Fowler), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 10:31 (eight years ago)

^ evidence towards my point

carpet_kaiser, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 10:34 (eight years ago)

chill, it was just a biscuit joke!

calzino, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 11:12 (eight years ago)

crumbs

Mark G, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 11:32 (eight years ago)

carpet_kaiser's perpetual keenness to find fault with other posters is a real blue riband effort

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 11:37 (eight years ago)

maybe he should take time out and enjoy a bourbon

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 11:39 (eight years ago)

or a cool delicious iced tea

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 13:37 (eight years ago)

This Taibbi piece - which argues that America deserves Trump - is pretty good.

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 13:54 (eight years ago)

dig how he's "the trump" in the subtitle. freudian typo

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 13:59 (eight years ago)

You needed an analysis nine months later to confirm ye deserved trump?

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 14:11 (eight years ago)

Me and all the other super smart, politically right-on folks in this thread? Of course not. But Rolling Stone readers (this is the next issue's cover story)? Maybe, yeah.

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 14:13 (eight years ago)

Checks out tbf

passé aggresif (darraghmac), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 14:17 (eight years ago)

Meanwhile Trump called Kim "Rocket Man."

"Get back, honky cat," the North Korean leader responded through a spokesman. "You can't plant me in your penthouse."

Each of us faces a clear moral choice. (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 14:49 (eight years ago)

Guess he's saving "Captain Fantastic" for Bernie in 2020.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 14:50 (eight years ago)

Taibbi piece is excellent

frogbs, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 14:51 (eight years ago)

Did djt really just tell the UN he would 'destroy north Korea'?

harbinger of failure (Jon not Jon), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 14:51 (eight years ago)

good piece tbf

imago, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 14:51 (eight years ago)

to be fair it was something like 'IF they do xyz, then we will destroy them.' and yes he literally said 'rocket man'

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 14:55 (eight years ago)

i'm interpreting that to mean that if north korea uses a live nuke on japan then donald trump will deliver a 6-10 minute "takedown" in the style of popular expat comedian john oliver

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 15:06 (eight years ago)

yall still here?

ugh what did i just watch ?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 15:36 (eight years ago)

he says "Rocket Man" because he cant pronounce his name, right

frogbs, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 15:37 (eight years ago)

I'm imagining all of the news stories around the world mentioning "rocket man" in quotes and trying to explain what he meant by that

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 15:39 (eight years ago)

xp Why would that stop him, though?

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 15:39 (eight years ago)

how many interview hits will Sir Elton be doing today?

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 15:40 (eight years ago)

From the piece upthread:

Trump seems to believe what he's saying. He really thinks that not just CNN, but all of the networks are shutting down their feeds, overwhelmed by the power of his words. "Boy, those cameras are going off," he says, coming back to the subject. "Oh, wow. Why don't you just fold them up and take them home? Oh, those cameras are going off. Wow. That's the one thing, they're very nervous to have me on live television..."

I do think there's something really effective for his demographic (older, facebook obsessed) about the way he frames actions and events. They tend to be the demo that clicks on the clickbait, and he talks about people "reacting" the same way clickbait does. And clickbait does it because it reflects the melodrama of reality shows. As if everyone in the world is always having their minds blown or are speechless or some other extreme in reaction to things that never warrant it.

But I guess on the other hand every reddit politics post is an experiment to show how younger, left leaning folks choose to view humanity in the same way. Every article with a hint of intrigue is full of comments claiming "Look at Nunes lol he knows he's completely fucked" "Break out the popcorn because the GOP and Trump are panicking. It's all over now and they know it!"

Reality shows and clickbait and youtube personalities and words like "epic" etc have poisoned everyone into viewing other human beings as simplistic cartoons. Self fulfilling prophecy.

Evan, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 15:56 (eight years ago)

"Look at Nunes lol he knows he's completely fucked" "Break out the popcorn because the GOP and Trump are panicking. It's all over now and they know it!"

If anything, reality is proving quite the opposite. No one is ever completely fucked or completely finished, no one really resigns and goes home in disgrace and disappears.

Deposed, presumably discredited onetime movers and shakers are back next week with shining faces. Bannon was at a Breitbart editorial meeting within hours of his departure from the White House; Spicer's at the Emmys.

People who love to hate on McTurtle or Paul Rino or Pelousy or Schemer or Hillbot haven't yet processed that these people are STILL AROUND. Unaccountably, given the number of times they've been declared "finished." Ditto Trompe himself, who has been presumed finished a thousand times.

Each of us faces a clear moral choice. (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 16:10 (eight years ago)

they're very nervous to have me on live television

Except that he's been terrific for ratings, and he almost always says something mind-bogglingly stupid.

Each of us faces a clear moral choice. (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 16:11 (eight years ago)

none of these people are finished, they just have at worst a momentary bout of embarrassment which then evaporates and they move onto the next thing. look at how finished Sean Spicer is, getting nuzzled by James Corden at the Emmys.

nomar, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 16:14 (eight years ago)

But the heightened language can't retreat from superlatives about the situation.

It's as if people can only talk in terms of political blitzkrieg, when the reality of governing is more like dug-in trench warfare.

Each of us faces a clear moral choice. (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 16:15 (eight years ago)

Clickbait-style desperation driven fantasy melodrama

Evan, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 16:20 (eight years ago)

^ lyrics to "We Didn't Start the Fire (2017 Remix)"

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 16:32 (eight years ago)

does Trump call Ben Carson "Honky Cat" behind his back

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 16:40 (eight years ago)

He probably calls him worse than that

ein Sexmonster (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 16:43 (eight years ago)

"Clickbait-style desperation driven fantasy melodrama" got this stuck in my head:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8N8k3uJu6K8

joygoat, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 16:44 (eight years ago)

they're very nervous to have me on live television

Except that he's been terrific for ratings, and he almost always says something mind-bogglingly stupid.

i assume when he says stuff like "they're very nervous to have me on live television" he's directing that toward his followers, not the tv people. he knows the tv world loves him, but he benefits from creating the perception among his loyal brainstems that everyone is very afraid of him and that he's he's an uncontrollable new force in washington, etc etc.

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 16:49 (eight years ago)

neither perception is entirely untrue but maybe not for the reasons he'd like them to believe

nomar, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 16:51 (eight years ago)

i see the failing 'rolling stone' has removed the extra "the" from their fake news headline. let's just remember that to "conservatives" the definition of "sane" is straight rich* white male. maga

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 16:55 (eight years ago)

reminder to those sharing and enjoying matt taibbi articles:

https://m.chicagoreader.com/chicago/beast-in-the-east/Content?oid=902762
https://www.reddit.com/r/Feminism/comments/4s1tdh/matt_taibbi_and_mark_ames_are_serial_rapists/

there are so many people writing good stuff about exactly why trump sucks. just seems weird to give clicks and word of mouth to a giant fucking asshole like taibbi

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 17:00 (eight years ago)

if he had some sort of incredible scoop or secret source or something genuinely new and important, holding your nose and reading him might make more sense

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 17:02 (eight years ago)

none of these people are finished, they just have at worst a momentary bout of embarrassment which then evaporates and they move onto the next thing rolling stone article.

fixed?

felix! phelix! ghelix! (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 17:14 (eight years ago)

Another smooth move

Senate cancels interview with Trump lawyer Cohen because they believe he violated agreement to not speak to media https://t.co/yI0T27WxdC pic.twitter.com/O8twgsCSS5

— NBC News (@NBCNews) September 19, 2017

MORE: The committee will now subpoena Cohen, a source with direct knowledge of the matter told NBC News. https://t.co/0W0wdkOhhf

— NBC News (@NBCNews) September 19, 2017

My and @MarkWarner's statement on postponing today's interview with Michael Cohen: https://t.co/nq6q9ofruG pic.twitter.com/dlMQETBAPi

— Richard Burr (@SenatorBurr) September 19, 2017

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 17:16 (eight years ago)

All of McCain's answers on Graham-Cassidy from earlier in the Senate subway pic.twitter.com/5aGdroi97u

— Benjy Sarlin (@BenjySarlin) September 19, 2017

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 17:31 (eight years ago)

They were in a public place where they could have been overheard by anyone. I just happened to be a reporter, and I did not misrepresent myself, so I figured their conversation was fair game. I ordered another iced tea, pulled out my phone and began typing out notes, hoping that they would assume I was merely responding to emails, tweeting or surfing the internet.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/19/us/politics/isnt-that-the-trump-lawyer-a-reporters-accidental-scoop.html

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 17:37 (eight years ago)

While my first thought would have been "holy shit I should take notes," my second thought would have been "well, if I'm working on my lunch break I'm going to expense the fuck out of this lunch."

Then: "Waiter, cancel the salmon caesar; I think I'll go for that filet mignon after all."

Each of us faces a clear moral choice. (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 17:44 (eight years ago)

he was already meeting a source! genuinely farcical paragraph:

My source and I continued chatting as our lunches arrived, even as I periodically strained to hear Mr. Cobb’s conversation with his dining companion, apologizing to my source for seeming more interested in the conversation at the adjacent table than our own. Eventually, he took mercy on me, excusing himself not long after he polished off his crab gazpacho and Caesar salad, and leaving me to focus completely on Mr. Cobb’s conversation, except for a brief and unwitting interruption from a pair of fellow Times journalists passing on the sidewalk on their way to the bureau. I tried to hustle them along when they paused to gently rib me over what must have appeared to be a lonely solo lunch.

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 17:46 (eight years ago)

crab gazpacho = A+ detail

Each of us faces a clear moral choice. (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 17:48 (eight years ago)

"Then we mocked them for their Pellegrino, quaffed our iced teas and..."

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 17:49 (eight years ago)

quiddities and agonies of the ruling class etc.

Each of us faces a clear moral choice. (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 17:51 (eight years ago)

Wait, scratch that bit about the crab gazpacho. My new favorite detail is "delightful tuna niçoise salad with fingerling potatoes and green beans."

As someone who has sometimes worked as a journalist in and around D.C., I will say that nothing like this ever happened to me. I guess I moved in the wrong crowd.

(The other stroke of transformative reportorial luck is the time that my then-coworker Jake Tapper went on a blind date with Monica Lewinsky; they played pool and she lent him some quarters. His career trajectory diverged into the stratosphere from then on.)

Each of us faces a clear moral choice. (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 18:01 (eight years ago)

whoa

nomar, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 18:02 (eight years ago)

Ta-Nehisi Coates on the staff as well BTW, not to name-drop like a beeyotch (he said as he named-dropped like a beeyotch)

Each of us faces a clear moral choice. (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 18:05 (eight years ago)

Wait crab gazpacho is a thing?

Hit to Death in the "Galactic Head" (kingfish), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 18:08 (eight years ago)

McCain, you haven't had anything to say since the Hanoi Hilton

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 18:09 (eight years ago)

I worked on a big trial where every witness and lawyer coming in to town stayed at the same hotel. It can be kind of hard to keep your big stupid mouth shut about work and not have people eavesdrop. Usually I was drinking more than iced tea tho.. these guys don't have a similar excuse but they should be more careful since this isn't one hotel its an entire city.

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 18:11 (eight years ago)

I was eating szechuan food a table over from the current mayor of New York several years ago; eavesdropped for the duration, but nothing esp newsworthy (eg, personal snub by the most obnoxious of former mayors)

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 18:13 (eight years ago)

I did once have brunch seated directly behind Michael Steele, but that was in Annapolis.

Each of us faces a clear moral choice. (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 18:20 (eight years ago)

tfw u realise you're kinda nostalgic for the presence of michael steele on the national stage

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 18:26 (eight years ago)

he polished off his crab gazpacho

2017's truffle fries

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 18:29 (eight years ago)

eat (with) the rich

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 18:36 (eight years ago)

i feel like we're not talking enough about him calling Kim Jong Un 'rocket man' at the UN, presumably from a teleprompter

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 18:45 (eight years ago)

crab gazpacho, things of that nature

mookieproof, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 18:49 (eight years ago)

xpost

i was afraid that "rocket man" would be the only thing people remembered from that, a new stupid catchphrase like covfefe, so i'm glad it's being mainly ignored (at least until the late night people do a ton of gags about it and the dozens of the usual suspect websites run stories summarizing what the late night hosts said). sometimes i think he throws in silly things like that to distract a substantial amount of time and attention away from the actual disturbing stuff that he says

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 18:52 (eight years ago)

he's saying rocket man cuz he either can't pronounce or can't remember kim's name

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 18:56 (eight years ago)

or both, i guess

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 18:56 (eight years ago)

sometimes i think he throws in silly things like that to distract a substantial amount of time and attention away from the actual disturbing stuff that he says

Trump does seem to have a fair grip on manipulating the media for his own ends. It's not a sophisticated kind of manipulation, but it often works in spite of being dirt simple. Whenever he needs a subtle nuanced media strategy, he fails spectacularly.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 18:58 (eight years ago)

John Kelly, listening to Trump speak at the UN:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/content.washingtonexaminer.biz/web-producers/091917-FeldscherKellyUNphoto.jpg

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 19:07 (eight years ago)

^ showed that to my wife 30 seconds ago. her comment: "that's choice!"

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 19:13 (eight years ago)

in rehab-of-earlier-administrations news:

Former CIA Director John Brennan Joins UT Austin as a Distinguished Killer. Err, Scholar. Whatever.

— jeremy scahill (@jeremyscahill) September 19, 2017

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 19:31 (eight years ago)

maybe all the "rocket man" stuff is because our president is reading gravity's rainbow?

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 19:36 (eight years ago)

he's saying rocket man cuz he either can't pronounce or can't remember kim's name

lmao remember the time he just kept saying "this gentleman" over and over again because he had no clue what his name was

frogbs, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 19:44 (eight years ago)

In over 30 years in my experience with the UN, I never heard a bolder or more courageous speech.

— Benjamin Netanyahu (@netanyahu) September 19, 2017

Tweets very much in character, lol

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 20:06 (eight years ago)

Whoops!

JUST IN: President Trump is using campaign & RNC funds to pay Russia probe legal bills - Reuters, citing sources https://t.co/r1lcPdrtxw

— CNBC Now (@CNBCnow) September 19, 2017

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 20:11 (eight years ago)

xp the character of a toe-sucking leech?

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 20:12 (eight years ago)

I don't see any problem with that tbh

frogbs, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 20:12 (eight years ago)

Graham on urgency of passing his Obamacare repeal bill by Sept 30: "this is the only process available to stop a march toward socialism"

— John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) September 19, 2017

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 20:13 (eight years ago)

Very much so. xp to Aimless

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 20:13 (eight years ago)

maybe all the "rocket man" stuff is because our president is reading gravity's rainbow?

Fox News ran 'The Rock' at 4 in the morning.

louise ck (milo z), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 20:29 (eight years ago)

If only we were marching towards socialism at the speed Graham thinks.

Each of us faces a clear moral choice. (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 21:02 (eight years ago)

Useful thread here

Some context, per today's weird SSCI-Cohen testimony bit.

— Ali Watkins (@AliWatkins) September 19, 2017

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 21:03 (eight years ago)

graham and his ilk's views on what constitutes socialism are vastly different from those of actual socialists

rock and roll tucci coo (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 21:04 (eight years ago)

I hadn't read that the Emmys, along with their Spicey servitude, put Roger Ailes in their obit montage. I guess it's still possible everyone in the room thought he was a dead douche, but maybe the show should reflect that if so. j0rdan:

https://www.spin.com/2017/09/the-emmys-politics-bad/

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 21:30 (eight years ago)

Not a very stinging penalty but Cohen will have to incur more legal fees for the delay

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 21:37 (eight years ago)

The political expectations people bring to a fucking showbiz trophy party never cease to depress me.

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 21:41 (eight years ago)

it's America (also probably, however compromised, the most sustained display of anti-Trump rhetoric on primetime network TV this year).

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 21:45 (eight years ago)

Excited for DT response to Mexico quake

ein Sexmonster (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 21:49 (eight years ago)

xxp: Why don't we have a Melania squinting/Scanners head exploding supercut, yet?

Special Egyptian Guest Star (Sanpaku), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 21:57 (eight years ago)

well stop the motherfucking presses

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/26/koch-network-piggy-banks-closed-republicans-healthcare-tax-reform

kill the poor!

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 22:37 (eight years ago)

that's from june and i feel like they were already saying that well before then??

crüt, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 22:39 (eight years ago)

they play a long game. we make fun of each other

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/351411-republicans-predict-senate-obamacare-repeal-would-pass-house

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 19 September 2017 22:44 (eight years ago)

Governor of Alaska spoke out against the bill, so Murkowski is probably a no. Why would Collins vote yes, and why does everyone talk about McCain instead?

Frederik B, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 23:02 (eight years ago)

collins is already assumed to be a no

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 23:04 (eight years ago)

I wouldn't be surprised.

! Erdogan says Trump called him last week to say *he* was sorry about incident where Erdogan guards beat protesters: https://t.co/oDGcT2Q2NM

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) September 19, 2017

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 23:27 (eight years ago)

Meantime

NEW via @lachlan / me

"Gorka Joins Pro-Trump Group Founded by Pizzagate Truthers & a Seth Rich Conspiracy Theorist” https://t.co/ifcYx4IlKq

— Asawin Suebsaeng (@swin24) September 19, 2017

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 19 September 2017 23:27 (eight years ago)

Well well

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/19/politics/mueller-manafort-pressure-decade-investigation/index.html

Special Counsel Robert Mueller's team is reaching back more than a decade in its investigation of Paul Manafort, a sign of the pressure Mueller is placing on President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman.

The FBI's warrant for a July search of Manafort's Alexandria, Virginia, home said the investigation centered on possible crimes committed as far back as January 2006, according to a source briefed on the investigation.

The broad time frame is the latest indication that Mueller's team is going well beyond Russian meddling during the campaign as part of its investigation of Trump campaign associates. Manafort, who has been the subject of an FBI investigation for three years, has emerged as a focal point for Mueller.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 00:38 (eight years ago)

The rush is clearly on here

CBS News confirms that electronic surveillance of Paul Manafort occurred during 2016 campaign.https://t.co/qsv4rhCcni

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) September 20, 2017

"According to a former U.S. official, the intercepts picked up conversations between Manafort and Russian individuals about the campaign." https://t.co/2cNk8LaK0o

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) September 20, 2017

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 01:22 (eight years ago)

Also intriguing

https://www.wsj.com/articles/special-counsels-office-interviewed-deputy-attorney-general-rod-rosenstein-1505868289

Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s office has interviewed Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein about President Donald Trump’s firing of former FBI Director James Comey, according to people familiar with the investigation.

The interview, which occurred in June or July, presents the unusual situation of investigators questioning the person directly overseeing their probe. Mr. Mueller’s office is investigating Russia’s alleged meddling in the 2016 election, whether any associates of Mr. Trump coordinated with Moscow’s efforts, and related matters.

Mr. Mueller as special counsel has a good deal of independence, but he ultimately answers to Mr. Rosenstein, because Attorney General Jeff Sessions recused himself from the investigation.

The special counsel’s handling of the interview could be a sign that Mr. Mueller’s team doesn’t view Mr. Rosenstein as a central witness in its probe, as the deputy attorney general hasn’t withdrawn himself from overseeing it since that interview. A key witness would likely have to take such a step.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 01:56 (eight years ago)

Since Rosenstein was intimately involved in the immediate circumstances around the firing of Comey and that firing is at the heart of any questions about Trump's attempting an obstruction of justice, his lack of withdrawal from oversight appears to indicate that Mueller did not turn up much evidence of such obstruction from Rosenstein's testimony.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 02:39 (eight years ago)

Or that Rosenstein is just cooperating, right? Honestly, at this point I can barely remember where he fits into this fucked up puzzle.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 03:19 (eight years ago)

Actually, I don't think I understand the implication at all. Some places have inferred that either Rosenstein is not needed, because they have better witnesses, or that obstruction is just the smaller of many charges? Yeah, I don't get it.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 03:25 (eight years ago)

Obstruction of justice while in office is no small charge and precisely the sort of thing that speaks to impeachment, as a direct and substantial abuse of the power entrusted to Trump as president.

Crimes he may have committed prior to taking office would need to be sufficiently serious to raise a political firestorm over his fitness for office. Crimes seen as irrelevant to his official responsibilities won't cut nearly as close to the bone as an obvious abuse of power. For example, convincing evidence he openly schemed to leverage his office to maximize his own profits and wealth, by soliciting business for his Trump hotel in D.C. would probably do him more harm than convincing evidence he engaged in shameful and illegal business practices before 2016.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 03:42 (eight years ago)

this exists
http://thefederalist.com/2017/09/19/refusal-date-conservatives-one-reason-donald-trump/

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 03:45 (eight years ago)

also: it is stupid

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 03:45 (eight years ago)

Fart noise, jerkoff motion

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 03:49 (eight years ago)

read the first paragraph, already done

Rob Lowe fresco bar (m bison), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 03:54 (eight years ago)

Fuck that noise. My refusal to date conservatives is based squarely in conservative family values: I'm married.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 03:55 (eight years ago)

Pobrecito

NEW: Five major networks refuse to hire Sean Spicer as a contributor https://t.co/2xstHBKnlU pic.twitter.com/LkENxOgNgs

— Washington Examiner (@dcexaminer) September 20, 2017

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 04:21 (eight years ago)

To be fair, there's a lot of them around..

Mark G, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 07:10 (eight years ago)

He's got a job at CBS, apparently.

nickn, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 07:15 (eight years ago)

Lots of major networks around, clearly.

Mark G, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 07:16 (eight years ago)

In another reminder that such landings are de rigeuer, i got to hear Trump-at-the-UN previewed on NPR yesterday by Eliot fucking Abrams.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 10:36 (eight years ago)

i mean i know the answer to this already but wtf does spicer, a demonstrably shitty communicator and a palpably shifty screen presence, actually have to offer to tv networks

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 10:38 (eight years ago)

'star quality'

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 10:51 (eight years ago)

Bob Corker getting frisky

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/09/19/552201844/senator-mulls-nuclear-limits-on-trump

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 10:51 (eight years ago)

re Spicer, I'm surprised CNN didn't jump first.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 10:56 (eight years ago)

I hear Spicer does a nifty trick with ping pong balls.

Scott Staph (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 13:39 (eight years ago)

Looking forward to Friday night in the Great State of Alabama. I am supporting "Big" Luther Strange because he was so loyal & helpful to me!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 20, 2017

nomar, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 14:29 (eight years ago)

he says what he thinks ladies and gentlemen

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 14:49 (eight years ago)

Policy in the benefit of the people is his basis for support, true.

felix! phelix! ghelix! (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 14:53 (eight years ago)

Never again is what he swore
the time before

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 14:56 (eight years ago)

Big Luther...Lyin' Ted...Crooked Hillary

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 15:28 (eight years ago)

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/20/politics/kfile-jeff-mateer-lgbt-remarks/index.html

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 15:35 (eight years ago)

I guess when you're cripplingly thin-skinned, any adjective placed before your name might come off as a brutal insult, leading you to assume the impact will be the same on people that aren't complete ciphers.

Scott Staph (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 15:49 (eight years ago)

Huckleberry Butchmeup is going ape shit over his health care bill, and because it's Huckleberry co-sponsoring it John McCain will likely vote for it, that incoherent doddard.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 15:57 (eight years ago)

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2017/9/20/16333876/republican-senators-graham-cassidy

Jeff Stein
Senator, I wanted to ask you for a policy-based explanation for why you’re moving forward with the Graham-Cassidy proposal. What problems will this solve in the health care system?

Pat Roberts
That — that is the last stage out of Dodge City.

Jeff Stein
I’m just trying to explain to our readers what the policy —

Pat Roberts
What readers? Who do you represent?

Jeff Stein
It’s a website called Vox.

Pat Roberts
... [Graham-Cassidy] is the last stage out of Dodge City. I’m from Dodge City. So it’s the last stage out to do anything. Restoring decision-making back to the states is always a good idea, but this is not the best possible bill — this is the best bill possible under the circumstances.

If we do nothing, I think it has a tremendous impact on the 2018 elections. And whether or not Republicans still maintain control and we have the gavel.

Jeff Stein
But why does this bill make things better for Americans? How does it help?

Pat Roberts
Pardon me?

Jeff Stein
Why does this make things better? What is this doing?

Pat Roberts
Look, we’re in the back seat of a convertible being driven by Thelma and Louise, and we’re headed toward the canyon. That’s a movie that you’ve probably never seen —

Jeff Stein
I do know Thelma & Louise, sir.

Pat Roberts

So we have to get out of the car, and you have to have a car to get into, and this is the only car there is.

Jeff Stein
What is the policy explanation for the Graham-Cassidy health care bill?

Johnny Isakson
Policy explanation? I’m not into policy, so I don’t really know. I’m into facts.

FUCK THESE MOTHERFUCKERS

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 16:10 (eight years ago)

I'm not into policies, I'm into poorly constructed analogies

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 16:13 (eight years ago)

"I'm not into policy, I'm into suicide metaphors. Now excuse me as I go swallow my shotgun"

rock and roll tucci coo (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 16:13 (eight years ago)

"My crab gazpacho is gettin' cold, sonny!"

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 16:14 (eight years ago)

"last call for truffle fries"

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 16:15 (eight years ago)

tbf tho I have often wondered to myself re: the end of Thelma and Louise - what if they had just gotten out of that car, and gotten into ANOTHER car

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 16:15 (eight years ago)

http://www.frenchrevolutionfood.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/gazp.jpg

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 16:16 (eight years ago)

good luck, roman empire

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 16:17 (eight years ago)

I'm sorry but I can't stop staring at the Thelma & Louise invocation.

this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 16:22 (eight years ago)

Putting the integrity of our own health and well-being ahead of GOP re-elections is just selfish imo.

Scott Staph (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 16:26 (eight years ago)

it's like putting them in a car with two crazy lesbos who wanna hurl the car over the cliff

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 16:27 (eight years ago)

Ask not what your country can do to help prevent your premature death, ask how many of us can bravely succumb to easily-curable ailments so that our Republican senators can get that win in 2018.

Scott Staph (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 16:29 (eight years ago)

Don't forget this June story:

At a weekend donor retreat attended by at least 18 elected officials, the Koch brothers warned that time is running out to push their agenda, most notably healthcare and tax reform, through Congress.

One Texas-based donor warned Republican lawmakers that his “Dallas piggy bank” was now closed, until he saw legislative progress.

“Get Obamacare repealed and replaced, get tax reform passed,” said Doug Deason. “Get it done and we’ll open it back up.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/26/koch-network-piggy-banks-closed-republicans-healthcare-tax-reform

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 16:32 (eight years ago)

https://i.imgur.com/ocJUv5C.jpg

trump's numbers haven't exactly taken a beating since he failed to identify neo-nazis as a problem

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 16:53 (eight years ago)

Well that is depressing

davey, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 17:14 (eight years ago)

trump's numbers haven't exactly taken a beating since he failed to identify neo-nazis as a problem

He's threatening foreigners. People like that.

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 17:16 (eight years ago)

not surprising really, I can see the whole thing coming off as pretty abstruse to the average low-info citizen, certainly "good people on both sides" is enough of an abstraction to qualify even if to us it's outrageous. I think Trump would literally have to have said "There are some good Nazis" full-stop, for it to have really registered in a negative way.

evol j, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 17:18 (eight years ago)

even then I think a portion of his base would have eaten it up and he could've passed it off as "Nazi" in the context of "that's what the left calls me. If those crazy socialists call me a Nazi, fine I guess I'm a Nazi for LOVING AMERICA"

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 17:22 (eight years ago)

What not to do

Amazing quote from @ChuckGrassley here: Despite many reasons to oppose Graham-Cassidy, GOP must support it to uphold campaign promises. pic.twitter.com/aLDyl4XhtI

— Jason Noble (@jasonnobleDMR) September 20, 2017

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 17:59 (eight years ago)

ugh wtf

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 18:01 (eight years ago)

the GOP isn't even pretending anymore

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 18:03 (eight years ago)

Trump, at a lunch with African leaders, refers to the non-existent country of "Nambia." pic.twitter.com/N8megnC1Xi

— David Mack (@davidmackau) September 20, 2017

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 18:28 (eight years ago)

I told my brother like ten times I was gonna kill him if he didn't stay out of my bedroom, it would be wrong for me to not follow through on my promise. P.S. I am eight years old and have the reasoning ability of an eight-year-old.

Scott Staph (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 18:28 (eight years ago)

Word is now they're going to bring it to a floor vote even if they don't have the votes. Yeah that seems sound.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 18:32 (eight years ago)

No mention of Zamibia?

The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 18:32 (eight years ago)

trump's tone in that un video is that of a 14 year old whose father wrote his science project presentation

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 18:34 (eight years ago)

i read 'nambia' as 'nambla' at first, was v confused

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 18:39 (eight years ago)

Word is now they're going to bring it to a floor vote even if they don't have the votes. Yeah that seems sound.

hey it worked so well last time!

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 18:40 (eight years ago)

message: we care

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 18:44 (eight years ago)

McCain is such a preening little bitch

“Nothing has changed. If McConnell wants to put it on the floor, that’s up to McConnell,” McCain said. “I am the same as I was before. I want the regular order.”

Asked if that means he’s a "no" vote, McCain said: “That means I want the regular order. It means I want the regular order!”

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 18:45 (eight years ago)

ham on rye for the asshole

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 19:00 (eight years ago)

i'm not fond of the mental image of john mccain cramming a sandwich up his butt which that post conjured up for me

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 19:10 (eight years ago)

Does it help to imagine him browbeating an intern into doing it for him y/n

Scott Staph (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 19:12 (eight years ago)

n

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 19:13 (eight years ago)

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/20/us/politics/mueller-trump-russia.html

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 19:18 (eight years ago)

Mr. Mueller is also interested in an Oval Office meeting Mr. Trump had with Russian officials in which he said the dismissal of the F.B.I. director had relieved “great pressure” on him.
One of the requests is about a meeting Mr. Trump had in May with Russian officials in the Oval Office the day after James B. Comey, the F.B. I director, was fired. That day, Mr. Trump met with the Russian foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, and the Russian ambassador to the United States, Sergey I. Kislyak, along with other Russian officials. The New York Times reported that in the meeting Mr. Trump said that firing Mr. Comey relieved “great pressure” on him.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 19:21 (eight years ago)

What are the odds on Trump accidentally catching a Match Game rerun on GSN and taking to twitter about destroying Nerdo Crombizia?

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 20:30 (eight years ago)

troops are massing on the border of East Covfefe as we speak

Each of us faces a clear moral choice. (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 20:59 (eight years ago)

I lol'd

A Sassy Gay Republican DRAMA in Four Acts. 🙌🏻 pic.twitter.com/O3tNiTg56A

— Billy, Just Billy (@BillyArmagh) September 20, 2017

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 21:22 (eight years ago)

Look, can Manafort just stop pretending now

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/manafort-offered-to-give-russian-billionaire-private-briefings-on-2016-campaign/2017/09/20/399bba1a-9d48-11e7-8ea1-ed975285475e_story.html?tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.9066649faf1d

Less than two weeks before Donald Trump accepted the Republican presidential nomination, his campaign chairman offered to provide briefings on the race to a Russian billionaire closely aligned with the Kremlin, according to people familiar with the discussions.

Paul Manafort made the offer in an email to an overseas intermediary, asking that a message be sent to Oleg Deripaska, an aluminum magnate with whom Manafort had done business in the past, these people said.

“If he needs private briefings we can accommodate,” Manafort wrote in the July 7, 2016, email, portions of which were read to The Washington Post along with other Manafort correspondence from that time.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 21:27 (eight years ago)

Uhhhhhh this makes the whole thing sound waaaaaay worse. Like Manafort was exchanging Trump campaign access for repayment of debts pic.twitter.com/3mFY64nTTu

— Lachlan Markay (@lachlan) September 20, 2017

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 21:27 (eight years ago)

Mariotti's on it

THREAD: What do the emails between Paul Manafort and associates of a Russian billionaire mean for the case against him?

— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) September 20, 2017

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 21:36 (eight years ago)

Deripaska doesn't owe Manafort money, it's the other way round afaik. Seems plausible that he might have offered access to the Trump camp in return for forgetting debts - his day job for the last thirty years has been leveraging his contacts in the US on behalf of clients overseas.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 21:40 (eight years ago)

Seeing Renato in discussion with GOP rep Mike Quigley tomorrow, re: Russia and the ongoing investigation. Q&A at the end.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 21:42 (eight years ago)

xpost -- It's kinda fun watching all the open venality get confirmed bit by bit.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 21:45 (eight years ago)

at this point I wouldn't be surprised if a literal black suitcase full of money with "RUSSIA" written on it turned up

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 21:52 (eight years ago)

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51CG0WLjd4L._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 21:54 (eight years ago)

lmao

https://apnews.com/a017d33b2344493e8098d47ed2ceb087

WASHINGTON (AP) — In an overheard phone call Wednesday, Republican Sen. Lindsey Graham leaned on a fellow senator to back his GOP health care bill despite “all its imperfections.”

Graham called the “Obamacare” repeal bill he co-authored a “historic opportunity” and asserted: “We’re going to vote. Everyone will be held accountable.”

Graham made his comments in a cellphone call in front of a passenger at Reagan National Airport before he boarded a flight. A reference to working “for Arizona” suggests Graham was talking to his good friend John McCain. Graham’s office did not dispute the quotes, nor confirm who was on the call.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 20 September 2017 22:54 (eight years ago)

Meanwhile

INSIDE the Alabama Senate race and the winding road to Pres. Trump's Friday rally. My latest w/ @PhilipRucker >>https://t.co/WbPYad64GK

— Robert Costa (@costareports) September 20, 2017

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 22:58 (eight years ago)

I can see Bannon reading this and going apeshit:

Trump, who sometimes talks about staffing the government like running a television show, sees the hulking, six-foot-nine senator as out of central casting. The president likes that Strange “can fill a room, literally and figuratively,” one White House official said, and admiringly calls him “Big Luther.” Their phone calls sometimes stretch for more than an hour.

More significantly, Trump sees Strange as one of his most dependable votes on Capitol Hill. Strange has told the president that “the Trump agenda is Alabama’s agenda,” and has pledged his unconditional support, White House officials said. During this summer’s health-care debate, for instance, Strange was one of the few Republican senators to vow to back the GOP bill without seeking anything in exchange.

“We have laughed about it,” Strange said. “He has told me, ‘You’re one of the few guys I’m dealing with here who hasn’t asked me for something and I appreciate that.’ I don’t want tickets to the Easter Egg roll.”

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 23:00 (eight years ago)

xpost to myself Whoops, I meant Dem rep Mike Quigley, my bad.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 20 September 2017 23:34 (eight years ago)

Senator (Doctor) Bill Cassidy is a class act who really cares about people and their Health(care), he doesn't lie-just wants to help people!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 21, 2017



lmao!!!

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 21 September 2017 01:31 (eight years ago)

Senator Doctor Mr Person

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 September 2017 01:51 (eight years ago)

just wants to help people!

"Corporations are people, my friend."

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 21 September 2017 02:17 (eight years ago)

This Cobb guy really IS an idiot.

(1) Ty Cobb tells me re WaPo report:"It would be truly shocking" if true Paul Manafort "tried to monetize his relationship w the president."

— Margaret Talev (@margarettalev) September 21, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 September 2017 12:59 (eight years ago)

But here's some fun:

https://www.axios.com/another-potential-mueller-honey-pot-spicers-notebooks-2487861790.html

Now we can tell you about another potential honey pot for Mueller. Former colleagues of Sean Spicer tell Axios that he filled "notebook after notebook" during meetings at the Republican National Committee, later at the Trump campaign, and then at the White House.

When Spicer worked at the RNC, he was said to have filled black books emblazoned with the party's seal. Spicer was so well-known for his copious notes that underlings joked about him writing a tell-all.

One source familiar with the matter said that the records were just to help him do his job.
"Sean documented everything," the source said.
That surprised some officials of previous White Houses, who said that because of past investigations, they intentionally took as few notes as possible when they worked in the West Wing.

Anyway, that's all fun in its own right, but here's the pettiness:

When we texted Spicer for comment on his note-taking practices, he replied: "Mike, please stop texting/emailing me unsolicited anymore."

When I replied with a "?" (I have known Spicer and his wife for more than a dozen years), he answered: "Not sure what that means. From a legal standpoint I want to be clear: Do not email or text me again. Should you do again I will report to the appropriate authorities."...

About an hour after Spicer's texts, he replied to a polite email I had sent earlier, seeking comment:

"Per my text:

Please refrain from sending me unsolicited texts and emails

Should you not do so I will contact the appropriate legal authorities to address your harassment

Thanks

Sean M Spicer"

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 September 2017 13:01 (eight years ago)

fun Spicer story: my wife saw him while out walking the dog yesterday & when he realized she recognized him, he literally RAN AWAY https://t.co/jTy1JuESPt

— delrayser (@delrayser) September 21, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 September 2017 13:02 (eight years ago)

dear sean, I wrote you, but you still ain't callin'

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 21 September 2017 13:04 (eight years ago)

On ABC, Spicer tells @paulafaris that people have gone too far by questioning his integrity & calling him a serial liar pic.twitter.com/BfYT9L0Hij

— Alex Burns (@alexburnsNYT) September 21, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 September 2017 13:04 (eight years ago)

for someone who's supposed to be a communications professional he really fucking sucks at everything communications-related

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 21 September 2017 13:07 (eight years ago)

Spicer falsely accused me of making up a quote once. When audio proved him wrong, he didn't apologize & blocked me https://t.co/K3qiZQoQ99

— John McCormack (@McCormackJohn) September 21, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 September 2017 13:09 (eight years ago)

just re-listened to my tape of this gaggle and yep, @seanspicer definitely said it https://t.co/o3DcRlChd4

— Rosie Gray (@RosieGray) October 11, 2016

Best part of it all was that Spicer made remark he said I invented while he was surrounded by several journalists https://t.co/w9Ok8WKB7T

— John McCormack (@McCormackJohn) September 21, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 September 2017 13:14 (eight years ago)

More fun!

Trump campaign bodyguard linked to ex-con who’s key in Russia probes https://t.co/7k4eG1YKaT

— McClatchyDC (@McClatchyDC) September 21, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 September 2017 14:47 (eight years ago)

axios doesn't know what "honey pot" means

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 21 September 2017 15:17 (eight years ago)

The American people made their voices heard loud & clear this year. They want bipartisan solutions to improve the current healthcare law.

— Senate Democrats (@SenateDems) September 15, 2017

why would i want to show up to a pep rally and root for a tie? https://t.co/zBNvevFGwR

— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) September 21, 2017

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 September 2017 17:21 (eight years ago)

this feels like a bad-faith argument. there was a legit push for bipartisan ACA stabilization/fixes from Alexander-Murray that could do a world of good in the short term, and my guess it that's what the Senate Dems account is referring to. lots of Senate Dems are already out in favor of single-payer and they absolutely should all be running on that and pushing it in 2018 and 2020. But right at this exact moment when Graham-Cassidy is threatening to completely destroy healthcare in this country, I don't think it's the worst thing in the world to remind people that an alternative that maybe could pass today does exist.

evol j, Thursday, 21 September 2017 18:09 (eight years ago)

I gotta admit I find it hard to find interest in these scoops that are just like "x linked to y," get back to me when something real happens

Erotic Wolf (crüt), Thursday, 21 September 2017 18:14 (eight years ago)

All I know is that Kevin Bacon is in deep fucking trouble...

Evan, Thursday, 21 September 2017 18:17 (eight years ago)

i don't remotely see Senate GOPers signing on to any positive changes

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 September 2017 18:18 (eight years ago)

Alexander had an actual bill ready to go

Οὖτις, Thursday, 21 September 2017 18:26 (eight years ago)

it was going through committee

Οὖτις, Thursday, 21 September 2017 18:26 (eight years ago)

Yeah that...wait

Sarah Sanders suggested on Fox that Gen Kelly was "tired" from trying to keep up with POTUS when holding his head during Trump's UN speech. pic.twitter.com/2uARwkMIBo

— Alan Rappeport (@arappeport) September 20, 2017

Also rumors (NOTHING more) saying Kelly was screaming at Trump behind closed doors, which, LOL, but that's wish fulfillment stuff at best for now.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 September 2017 18:57 (eight years ago)

^ This is what happens when you are an advisor to a man who never takes advice.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 21 September 2017 19:00 (eight years ago)

Sometimes when someone is so much more awesome than you can get a headache trying to process it and you will hold your head p simple stuff

Evan, Thursday, 21 September 2017 19:05 (eight years ago)

Problems problems

Law Firm Faces Questions for Ukraine Work With Manafort - https://t.co/pA75X6UWJg https://t.co/UxiuxZCAtR

— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) September 21, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 September 2017 19:31 (eight years ago)

Employees at the Environmental Protection Agency are attending mandatory training sessions this week to reinforce their compliance with laws and rules against leaking classified or sensitive government information. It is part of a broader Trump administration order for anti-leaks training at all executive branch agencies. The Associated Press obtained training materials from the hourlong class.

Government employees who hold security clearances undergo background checks and extensive training in safeguarding classified information. Relatively few EPA employees deal with classified files, but the new training also reinforces requirements to keep “Controlled Unclassified Information” from unauthorized disclosure. President Donald Trump has expressed anger repeated leaks of potentially embarrassing information to media organizations in recent months.

https://apnews.com/5907d7e83087480ab2b311e699782645/Federal-employees-ordered-to-attend-anti-leaking-classes

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 September 2017 19:40 (eight years ago)

Facebook cave (a good thing)

https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2017/09/providing-congress-with-ads-linked-to-internet-research-agency/

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 September 2017 20:08 (eight years ago)

we are all in the facebook cave now

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 21 September 2017 20:13 (eight years ago)

How Platonic.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 September 2017 20:15 (eight years ago)

why would i want to show up to a pep rally and root for a tie?

Because, unlike at a football game, the possible outcomes of this particular contest are a tie or a devastating loss, this is really not hard

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 21 September 2017 20:15 (eight years ago)

i think you are misreading the metaphor

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 September 2017 20:19 (eight years ago)

trump expanded kelly's mind so fucking hard with his speech that it increased the weight of his brain which made him have to rest his head on his hands

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 21 September 2017 21:00 (eight years ago)

*DRAMATIC MUSIC*

Breaking: @LindseyGrahamSC @BillCassidy will debate @SenSanders @amyklobuchar on healthcare Monday at 9pET during @CNN Special Town Hall 1/2

— Mark Preston (@PrestonCNN) September 21, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 September 2017 21:04 (eight years ago)

Huckleberry polishing up his folksy zingers

Οὖτις, Thursday, 21 September 2017 21:06 (eight years ago)

too bad most of em were cribbed from Song of the South

Neanderthal, Thursday, 21 September 2017 21:07 (eight years ago)

BTW this is...something

THREAD: My dispute with a billionaire Texan GOP donor, the exotic dancer he nearly killed, and the photo he does not want people to see. pic.twitter.com/0P8Vb17LXw

— RespectableLawyer (@RespectableLaw) September 21, 2017

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 September 2017 21:08 (eight years ago)

All such debates are horror shows of non-stop posturing, cherry-picked statistics, anecdotal nonsense, and frequent falsehoods.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 21 September 2017 21:11 (eight years ago)

otm

Οὖτις, Thursday, 21 September 2017 21:14 (eight years ago)

holy cow that thread is amazing

frogbs, Thursday, 21 September 2017 21:26 (eight years ago)

great, a defund/repeal obamacare vs medicare for all debate, featuring two sets of speakers with completely different policy goals speaking to pretty much just their own supporters

Karl Malone, Thursday, 21 September 2017 21:30 (eight years ago)

All such debates are horror shows of non-stop posturing, cherry-picked statistics, anecdotal nonsense, and frequent falsehoods.

Hey now, this isn't ILX.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 21 September 2017 21:35 (eight years ago)

should be done Battle of the Network Stars style

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 21 September 2017 21:40 (eight years ago)

should also be "to the death" imo

Οὖτις, Thursday, 21 September 2017 21:43 (eight years ago)

Didn't some republical staffer joke 'if you had to quiz the caucus whats in this bill 48 of them would fail and one of the two that passed would not be Lindsey Graham' a couple days ago? Granted the GOP won't be needing actual facts for the debate. They're just going to demagogue 'THE ACA IS DEAD WE MUST PASS SOMETHING, ANYTHING DO U SEE???'

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 21 September 2017 21:59 (eight years ago)

Some takeaways/reminders from my friend and the Dem congressman he interviewed tonight. Mueller investigation will take much more time. Dem rep predicted maybe two or three more years, and that may just bring us to indictments. As for state of Congress and Senate investigations, rep said they are still closer to the start than the finish, but stated ominously that if they both released findings today, he thinks Congress and Senate reports would look very different, which would be bad.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 September 2017 00:44 (eight years ago)

i think you are misreading the metaphor

That's possible, but if so, I have no idea what he means.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 22 September 2017 03:02 (eight years ago)

but stated ominously that if they both released findings today, he thinks Congress and Senate reports would look very different, which would be bad

Do you mean they would contradict or undermine each other, Josh?

Cyndi Larper (stevie), Friday, 22 September 2017 09:24 (eight years ago)

my god the "Morning Joe" crew is flipping out over the news that Sanders will debate Graham, Cassidy and Mukowski over the wretched GOP bill. This will push Murkowski into voting for the bill because Sanders will present a stark choice between socialism and sanity.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 September 2017 10:34 (eight years ago)

wait is Murkowski in the debate too?

Erotic Wolf (crüt), Friday, 22 September 2017 11:12 (eight years ago)

It's Klobuchar, right? It's a shaky idea to begin with, but hopefully Murkowski is not involved.

Frederik B, Friday, 22 September 2017 11:19 (eight years ago)

xpost Yeah, undermining one another. He basically conceded, which is obvious, that our country is a divided mess, so if two different reports came out with two different conclusions, enough variations, would only further sow discontent. The talk was useful, to me at least, it was stressing how important the Congressional investigations are. The Mueller investigation will be targeting very specific crimes committed by very specific people. But the Congressional investigation is who we should be looking to to make sure problems don't come up again, to enact laws to make our country more secure, that sort of thing. His concern is that things are so divided there will be no such productive conclusion. And if he had to do it all over again he wished it was a single commission rather than multiple investigations.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 September 2017 11:39 (eight years ago)

Did also point out that Mueller, who is investigating and targeting very specific crimes, will likely not result in a comprehensive report, but that is something that would or come out of Congress. Hmm, what else ... the congressman talked about Nunes, and how he really has no idea what is going on with that guy, though until the stuff came up he actually had a lot of respect for him as a colleague and chairman. And the congressman, like my friend, really stressed how important the press has been, and what a great job the press has been doing, because they are able to write and say and reveal things that Congress cannot. To that point, my friend and the congressman alike further praised Comey for leaving classified information out of his private notes, because that means those notes can't be suppressed. He expects Mueller has been doing the same as a failsafe. Got a good laugh quipping that if anyone knows how to be careful about not breaking the law, it's the head of the FBI.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 September 2017 11:53 (eight years ago)

Another concession from the Congressman, and this is predictable, is that he has pretty much written off trying to reach that 30% of Trumps base. He thinks it's a total lost cause. So he has been focusing his efforts on at least the appearance of neutrality, aiming for the middle.

To that, Sanders is going to give the GOP so much ammo with this stupid arrogant debate, isn't he?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 September 2017 12:00 (eight years ago)

no

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 September 2017 12:00 (eight years ago)

"arrogance" re politicians is quite relative

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 September 2017 12:01 (eight years ago)

Who knows what will happen at that debate, but Cassidy and Graham specifically tried to use the Sanders bill as the counter-example from the GOP bill. I don't get why a debate like this couldn't wait ten days.

Frederik B, Friday, 22 September 2017 12:09 (eight years ago)

It's just not balanced expectations, though, right? The GOP just has to push through this sneaky wishy-washy bill. But Sanders has to defend what they can dismiss as "socialism," or "Obamacare x10" or other silliness. He's not going to convince them to go single payer, and if they pass their stupid bill, it seems unlikely he'd be able to convince anyone to go single payer then, either. Focus really seems to be killing this horrible bill and waiting out this reconciliation period, so that next time the GOP wants to overhaul healthcare they need more Dems, which gives Sanders (or anyone) a chance to lobby and campaign. That's when this debate should be happening, after the GOP loses its chance to squeeze something through.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 September 2017 12:09 (eight years ago)

xpost Yeah, otm. Just wait until we're out of the tunnel before you show people the light.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 September 2017 12:10 (eight years ago)

thanks Josh

But the Congressional investigation is who we should be looking to to make sure problems don't come up again, to enact laws to make our country more secure, that sort of thing.

Agreed, but would a GOP congress deliver an "impartial" result?

Cyndi Larper (stevie), Friday, 22 September 2017 12:23 (eight years ago)

nobody watches cable news btw

they just talk about it

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 September 2017 12:31 (eight years ago)

Oh well!

White House official: "We really aren't sure what the impact will be" of passing the bill https://t.co/ekZCDmbkQZ

— Paul Demko (@pauldemko) September 22, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 September 2017 12:58 (eight years ago)

Whatever. Nevermind.

Cyndi Larper (stevie), Friday, 22 September 2017 13:09 (eight years ago)

We need a word or phrase that means 'simultaneously shrugging and flipping a double bird'.

Señor Winces (Old Lunch), Friday, 22 September 2017 13:09 (eight years ago)

Trumping?

Cyndi Larper (stevie), Friday, 22 September 2017 13:11 (eight years ago)

Josh, nobody is going to make any legislative progress towards Medicare-for-all until 2019 at the earliest.

Again, the reason healthcare industry lobbies have not backed, and in fact have come about against the GOP's bills, is because if any of this horrible, manslaughter repeal-and-replace shit gets passed and signed into law, it greatly increases the likelihood of single payer actually happening in our lifetimes. It'll kill people and bankrupt families and make it clear we only have one real option.

El Tomboto, Friday, 22 September 2017 13:41 (eight years ago)

I disagree. I think this bill getting passed would keep things shitty or shittier for the foreseeable future, and would thwart any subsequent push toward single payer, because no one in congress/senate is going to potentially die on that sword in 2018, let alone 2020. I think the best bet would be for this bill to die and with it the chance for the GOP to push something partisan through through reconciliation to die with it. Then the dems and other supporters of single payer would have time to better educate the public about what single payer is/does, and then the public could, if convinced, pressure their reps to push single payer. With the need for 60 votes rather than 50 plus VP, the dems have a much better chance at directing policy/debate.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 September 2017 13:48 (eight years ago)

I don't know enough about Cali politics, but wasn't statewide single payer poo-pooed? And that's in California! I suppose an academic argument could be made that, yeah, if the alternative is murder and death, people would prefer not to die. But the whole repeal the ACA push has been based on lies and miseducation. If this new bill (or any like it) is actually passed, I can't even imagine how long it would take for its effects to be fully felt, let alone acknowledged. Certainly not before the 2018 elections, let alone 2020. Right?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 September 2017 13:51 (eight years ago)

I don't know when it takes effect if passed, but people would start losing coverage the day that it does. I am not rooting for it to be passed, duh. I am asking you to think two moves ahead. The GOP proposals would doom the private healthcare industry as we know it.

El Tomboto, Friday, 22 September 2017 13:57 (eight years ago)

I think we are well beyond the point where we can safely make one move ahead assumptions, let alone two.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 September 2017 14:11 (eight years ago)

Anyway, Bill Cassidy looks a little like Sam the Eagle's cuckoo little brother.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 September 2017 14:14 (eight years ago)

So sad

“There is no joy in Trumpworld right now." A number of White House staffers are starting to look for the exits https://t.co/0q8v4d4n4B pic.twitter.com/ZskgH0BTRg

— POLITICO (@politico) September 22, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 September 2017 14:44 (eight years ago)

No Exit (Sad!)

Señor Winces (Old Lunch), Friday, 22 September 2017 14:49 (eight years ago)

the fact that his approval rating has rebounded is kinda bumming me out tbh

frogbs, Friday, 22 September 2017 14:50 (eight years ago)

That moment when you use your eyes and brain to process that the source of light and warmth in your world is in fact a flaming bag of shit.

Señor Winces (Old Lunch), Friday, 22 September 2017 14:51 (eight years ago)

From the Taibbi RS article, worth noting.

/ Watching Trump lean over a podium on the road to the presidency was like watching a stud boar hump a hole in the wall/

lefal junglist platton (wtev), Friday, 22 September 2017 14:54 (eight years ago)

xxpost The only thing that was consistently sinking Trump's approval ratings was Trump being Trump and self-owning in public multiple times a day. Kelly might be saving us from Trump to an extent but he's also saving Trump from himself. But, y'know, another 'Rocket Man' or two and Kelly might split and we'll get to see those numbers dropping again.

Señor Winces (Old Lunch), Friday, 22 September 2017 14:59 (eight years ago)

Put another way, Trump is no longer regularly and insistently reminding the public that he's a piece of shit, and the public's memory is demonstrably short.

Señor Winces (Old Lunch), Friday, 22 September 2017 15:00 (eight years ago)

rebounded is relative. The only number that matters is GOP supprt for him.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 September 2017 15:00 (eight years ago)

Josh

1. healthcare industry hates the bill https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucejapsen/2017/09/20/blue-cross-plans-come-out-against-graham-cassidy-trumpcare-bill/

2. healthcare industry hates the bill http://kimatv.com/news/connect-to-congress/health-care-industry-groups-line-up-against-graham-cassidy-bill

google healthcare industry graham cassidy and there's dozens more

3. http://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/351531-graham-cassidy-insurer-bailout-could-turn-texas-blue

All of these disastrous plans would constitute a GOP bailout of the insurance industry, which would lead to huge premium increases for many voters, poorer coverage for many patients, and millions of Americans losing their insurance coverage.

In the long run, these GOP attacks against affordable health care will give a huge boost to the “Medicare for all” plan offered by Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and others.

El Tomboto, Friday, 22 September 2017 15:06 (eight years ago)

I disagree. There are more self-identified independents in this country than there are GOP or Dems. (xp)

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 22 September 2017 15:08 (eight years ago)

There are more self-identified independents in this country than there are GOP or Dems.

But how do they vote? People say "I'm an independent" while lazily stroking their dicks, then go in the booth and vote straight-ticket Republican.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 22 September 2017 15:12 (eight years ago)

yep

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 September 2017 15:15 (eight years ago)

then go in the booth and vote straight-ticket Republican

Presumably while still stroking their dicks.

stop the mandolinsanity (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 22 September 2017 15:16 (eight years ago)

Voting Republican is the ultimate onanistic expression.

Señor Winces (Old Lunch), Friday, 22 September 2017 15:19 (eight years ago)

what does doeth's face look like:

U.S. Rep. Matt Cartwright (D-Pa.) says that Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) will vote against the latest GOP bill aimed at repealing ObamaCare because "he's staring death in the face," PoliticsPA found.

“McCain I’m worried about. Also because the governor of Arizona came out in favor of the Lindsey Graham, Bill Cassidy bill. So that puts pressure on McCain. But man, something tells me McCain, he’s staring death in the face right now, so he’s probably gonna make good choices. He’s not going to bend to political pressure,” Cartwright said in a 23-second clip from a recent event with constituents.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 September 2017 15:37 (eight years ago)

Voting Republican is the ultimate onanistic expression.

nothing more republican than a purely selfish act, after all

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 22 September 2017 15:39 (eight years ago)

I don't know enough about Cali politics, but wasn't statewide single payer poo-pooed?

idk how much you want to get into this but the reason this failed (this time) was because of the byzantine nature of CA budget legislation requirements - Proposition 98 requires that around 40 percent of the state’s budget go to schools. Do the math and you'll quickly see why adding a program that costs twice the current state budget runs afoul of that law.

Οὖτις, Friday, 22 September 2017 15:40 (eight years ago)

(many xps)

Οὖτις, Friday, 22 September 2017 15:40 (eight years ago)

tbf McCain is p much what i think death looks like

Cyndi Larper (stevie), Friday, 22 September 2017 16:02 (eight years ago)

lol yeah for McCain seeing the face of death is called "looking in the mirror"

Οὖτις, Friday, 22 September 2017 16:03 (eight years ago)

"bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran" etc

Οὖτις, Friday, 22 September 2017 16:04 (eight years ago)

Where's Mulder? Because that dude is hella Skull-y

Cyndi Larper (stevie), Friday, 22 September 2017 16:04 (eight years ago)

The thing I don't get here: why wouldn't Trump want to get to ththe bottom of a foreign power trying to influence our election? https://t.co/ndxfbh5voz

— Chris Cillizza (@CillizzaCNN) September 22, 2017

he really is the dumbest fucking guy

mookieproof, Friday, 22 September 2017 16:12 (eight years ago)

That's one of a looooong list of things he doesn't get

Cyndi Larper (stevie), Friday, 22 September 2017 16:19 (eight years ago)

Ratio is a lefty Twitter concept that I don't buy into. But feel free to do so!

— Chris Cillizza (@CillizzaCNN) September 22, 2017

Cyndi Larper (stevie), Friday, 22 September 2017 16:21 (eight years ago)

Meantime, deep wisdom on offer:

"Why can’t I watch the Emmys without seeing Sean Spicer? What was he doing there? Can’t I just watch the fabulous gowns? Can’t I have an escape? Must everything be political? Everything? Everything! I’m sick of it. And I’m not the only one."

Hmmm, yes, makes you think. This is precisely what I expected to read from...Megyn Kelly.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 September 2017 16:33 (eight years ago)

xposts I tend to go a little easy on him because it had to have been difficult growing up with all the kids calling you Clitzilla (presumably, knowing kids).

Señor Winces (Old Lunch), Friday, 22 September 2017 16:34 (eight years ago)

Anyway, it begins

White House says it didn’t sign off on HHS secretary’s private-jet trips https://t.co/0uyc2FiEse @annaedney @MargaretTalev

— Mike Dorning (@MikeDorning) September 22, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 September 2017 16:37 (eight years ago)

I tend to go a little easy on him because it had to have been difficult growing up with all the kids calling you Clitzilla (presumably, knowing kids).

I cut no slack. Signed, according to some bullies of my youth, "Nerd Faggot."

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 September 2017 16:37 (eight years ago)

Dude is such a thickheaded dolt that insults just roll off him, so fire away with the obscenities

rock and roll tucci coo (voodoo chili), Friday, 22 September 2017 16:40 (eight years ago)

xposts I tend to go a little easy on him because it had to have been difficult growing up with all the kids calling you Clitzilla (presumably, knowing kids).

spare a thought for those of us to had to work hard to earn the title 'clitzilla'

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 22 September 2017 16:48 (eight years ago)

Tammy is probably an "independent"

Of all of Tammy's grave misunderstandings about Trump here, probably the biggest is that he "has a plan" pic.twitter.com/cqpKzWI5O3

— Jon Schwarz (@tinyrevolution) September 22, 2017

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 September 2017 16:50 (eight years ago)

Lest we forget the human garbage that King Trash has surrounded himself with: Betsy DeVos Reverses Obama-era Policy on Campus Sexual Assault Investigations

I kinda can't even find the words.

Señor Winces (Old Lunch), Friday, 22 September 2017 16:51 (eight years ago)

maybe you can buy some with a private school voucher

Οὖτις, Friday, 22 September 2017 16:51 (eight years ago)

don't know enough about Cali politics, but wasn't statewide single payer poo-pooed?

If so, is there any piece of legislation in history that hasn't been airily dismissed by at least one person?

And that's in California!

You just said you had no idea whether it was or not.

The actual proposal for single-payer in California was tabled (until 2018) largely for the entirely predictable reason that there was no way to fund it, both prima facie, and especially with the chance of the Trump admin blocking the use of existing federal healthcare funding.

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Friday, 22 September 2017 16:59 (eight years ago)

don't know enough about Cali politics, but wasn't statewide single payer poo-pooed?

If so, is there any piece of legislation in history that hasn't been airily dismissed by at least one person?

And that's in California!

You just said you had no idea whether it was or not.

The actual proposal for single-payer in California was tabled (until 2018) largely for the entirely predictable reason that there was no way to fund it, both prima facie, and especially with the chance of the Trump admin blocking the use of existing federal healthcare funding.

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Friday, 22 September 2017 16:59 (eight years ago)

stupid zing tricks

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Friday, 22 September 2017 17:02 (eight years ago)

Re Tammy in Pennsylvania -- not everyone there, at least, is so rosy-eyed

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/09/22/catastrophic-millions-at-risk-again-as-trump-and-republicans-push-new-health-bill.html

Bruce Brown, a Donald Trump devotee in rural Pennsylvania, thinks that Hillary Clinton should be “shot or put in prison” and that liberals have a “mental disease.”

He also thinks Trump’s latest health-care plan might kill him, at least leave him homeless.

Brown, 58, has severe diabetes, and he is awaiting a leg amputation. He and his 11-year-old son, who has autism, get health insurance from Medicaid, the program the new plan would subject to major cuts.

“I barely make it month to month as it is,” said Brown, who is unable to work. “I saw how many billions and billions they want to cut from Medicaid. I depend on Medicaid. Without Medicaid, I have nothing. I couldn’t afford any insurance.”...

Brown, the Trump supporter, will be watching in fear, sincerely concerned his beloved president might send him to his death. Trump, he said, “just wants to pass it so it makes him look good.”

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 September 2017 17:03 (eight years ago)

Collins more openly against the bill now. Honestly I think this thing is dead and we're just seeing a lot of kabuki.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 September 2017 17:07 (eight years ago)

we're living in the Dumbass Matrix

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 September 2017 17:08 (eight years ago)

Collins was never in doubt tho...?

Οὖτις, Friday, 22 September 2017 17:09 (eight years ago)

Will it be more dead or less dead than before?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 September 2017 17:10 (eight years ago)

Collins more sure that she's running for governor.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 September 2017 17:12 (eight years ago)

Collins was never in doubt but I can't see Murkowski going for this either. As for more or less dead -- for this year, no more.

I have a weird theory that the deciding factor is the Alabama vote on Tuesday. (Not that Moore suddenly replaces Strange or anything, more like what the result means for McConnell's standing as Trump sees it.)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 September 2017 17:14 (eight years ago)

Re: that insane Trump supporter, I once again fail to see how blindly embracing a chaotic force which you're fairly certain will hasten your death is anything but a suicidal impulse.

Señor Winces (Old Lunch), Friday, 22 September 2017 17:17 (eight years ago)

maybe it is

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 September 2017 17:18 (eight years ago)

I'd say Moore is the favorite in that race xxpost

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 September 2017 17:18 (eight years ago)

Can't say I see what Collins & Murkowski have to gain by switching their votes, what did they lose by the last vote?

I could see Paul deciding that the buill is in fact shitty enough for him, and McCain voting yes to spite Cartwright.

JoeStork, Friday, 22 September 2017 17:20 (eight years ago)

Moore's been ahead by double digits, he's going to win

Οὖτις, Friday, 22 September 2017 17:20 (eight years ago)

I tend to agree. Strange is humping Trump's leg so hard at this point you gotta think that's gonna turn some people off. At the very least it hardly seems sufficient to motivate someone to get off their ass and actually go to the polls. It all comes back to convincing people why they should vote for you. On one side you have a guy promising to smite the gays or whatever. On the other you have a guy saying vote for me because me and Trump are BFFs.

evol j, Friday, 22 September 2017 17:26 (eight years ago)

Can't say I see what Collins & Murkowski have to gain by switching their votes, what did they lose by the last vote?

I could see Paul deciding that the buill is in fact shitty enough for him, and McCain voting yes to spite Cartwright.

― JoeStork, Friday, September 22, 2017 1:20 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is what I'm worried about even though I don't know who Cartwright is. I'm worried about McCain voting yes out of obligation to his buddy Lindsey.

evol j, Friday, 22 September 2017 17:27 (eight years ago)

Cartwright is the Congressman who just said McCain will vote no because he's about to die.

JoeStork, Friday, 22 September 2017 17:30 (eight years ago)

Paul and Collins ain't budging. It would surprise me if Murkowski, who's told Trump where to go several times and who ran as an independent after losing a primary, were a yea.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 September 2017 17:30 (eight years ago)

Moore's been ahead by double digits, he's going to win

― Οὖτις, Friday, September 22, 2017 5:20 PM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

trump is going to be so fucking mad

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 22 September 2017 17:32 (eight years ago)

apparently he's already backing off. the robocall promoting his rally with strange today didn't even mention strange.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 22 September 2017 17:33 (eight years ago)

this is what I'm worried about even though I don't know who Cartwright is. I'm worried about McCain voting yes out of obligation to his buddy Lindsey.

― evol j, Friday, September 22, 2017 5:27 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think the pod save america dudes were speculating that McCain is just doing Graham a favor by being coy and not explicitly saying 'no' until Graham's had time to whip whatever other votes he thinks he can get instead

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 22 September 2017 17:33 (eight years ago)

apparently he's already backing off. the robocall promoting his rally with strange today didn't even mention strange.

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, September 22, 2017 5:33 PM (forty seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah the other response aside from rage would be 'well I never even liked this strange fellow in the first place. love u roy'

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 22 September 2017 17:34 (eight years ago)

Strange may lose but expect some kind of reward from the White House for his loyalty. Why he would think that will turn out well for him is a mystery.

Anyway, today I learned that Ned has a funny way of spelling bukkake.

I think this thing is dead and we're just seeing a lot of kabuki.

stop the mandolinsanity (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 22 September 2017 17:34 (eight years ago)

Re the Pennsylvania Trump supporter in the story I quoted -- a followup

Postscript: this Trump supporter Googled my fact-checking after we spoke, messaged to say he hadn't known Trump was such a huge liar.

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) September 22, 2017

Tweeted with Bruce's permission: here's what a Trump fan/Clinton loather/Obamacare supporter told me after looking up my fact-checks. pic.twitter.com/HM6yzH0QBF

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) September 22, 2017

Tweeted with Bruce's permission: here's what a Trump fan/Clinton loather/Obamacare supporter told me after looking up my fact-checks. pic.twitter.com/HM6yzH0QBF

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) September 22, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 September 2017 17:38 (eight years ago)

Sorry, one of those should have been

I've found if you can show people you're a human, not The Media, you can get facts to them. But it's hard to beat the anti-media drumbeat.

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) September 22, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 September 2017 17:38 (eight years ago)

SIREN, McCain: "“I cannot in good conscience vote for the Graham-Cassidy proposal"

— Sam Stein (@samstein) September 22, 2017

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 22 September 2017 17:52 (eight years ago)

I think mccain relishes twisting the knife in mcconnell and trump, outweighing his friendship w huckleberry

Οὖτις, Friday, 22 September 2017 17:54 (eight years ago)

"From hell's heart i stab at thee", basically

Οὖτις, Friday, 22 September 2017 17:56 (eight years ago)

Good on him, can we move on from this farce now?

Moodles, Friday, 22 September 2017 17:59 (eight years ago)

Until next year's budget lol

Οὖτις, Friday, 22 September 2017 17:59 (eight years ago)

Full McCain statement pic.twitter.com/YaJe7kUdxG

— Benjy Sarlin (@BenjySarlin) September 22, 2017

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 22 September 2017 17:59 (eight years ago)

Until next year's budget lol

― Οὖτις, Friday, September 22, 2017 5:59 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah see you guys again in 6 months

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 22 September 2017 18:02 (eight years ago)

once again, lol that THE MAVERICK's objection to the bill is that it didn't properly jump through the required procedural hoops, not so much the contents themselves

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 22 September 2017 18:02 (eight years ago)

prob first time in history the fetishization of bipartisanship has led to a positive outcome of any kind

I Love You, Fancybear (symsymsym), Friday, 22 September 2017 18:03 (eight years ago)

There's your topic sentence for your New Yorker essay.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 September 2017 18:04 (eight years ago)

Oh come on, what a bunch of quitters. I say they give it one more shot.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 September 2017 18:06 (eight years ago)

once again, lol that THE MAVERICK's objection to the bill is that it didn't properly jump through the required procedural hoops, not so much the contents themselves

― Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Friday, September 22, 2017 2:02 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I suspect this is just an excuse, but who knows

Treeship, Friday, 22 September 2017 18:07 (eight years ago)

I've found if you can show people you're a human, not The Media, you can get facts to them. But it's hard to beat the anti-media drumbeat.
— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) September 22, 2017

clearly time for the media to pivot to door-to-door.

evol j, Friday, 22 September 2017 18:09 (eight years ago)

I suspect this is just an excuse, but who knows

voting the right way for wrong and/or dishonest reasons is fine with me

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 22 September 2017 18:14 (eight years ago)

he did mention 'millions of lives at stake' fwiw

global tetrahedron, Friday, 22 September 2017 18:18 (eight years ago)

Kinda feel like we can't quite rest easy just yet. "I cannot in good conscience vote for the Graham-Cassidy proposal" seems like just the kind of thing the Maverick would follow up with a vote for the Graham-Cassidy proposal.

Señor Winces (Old Lunch), Friday, 22 September 2017 18:22 (eight years ago)

what a master showman, loves to keep us guessing

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 22 September 2017 18:23 (eight years ago)

this is just starting to feel like an insipid 8-year-old's "boo, i'm gonna kill you" on the playground every 6 weeks.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 September 2017 18:23 (eight years ago)

he'll probably pull a dime from behind mitch mcconnell's ear on the senate floor and vanish in a puff of smoke after he casts his vote xp

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 22 September 2017 18:25 (eight years ago)

mister trump is using his billionaire mindtricks on the swamp to keep the medicaid funds flowing to "conservatives", while sticking it to "them". maga

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 22 September 2017 18:25 (eight years ago)

Eight days and it's done. Reconciliation runs out, they can only do that once a year, they need new reconciliation for tax cuts, which means they can't try again until fall 2018, and they won't do it so close to midterms. Eight days and it's done. It's basically done. Time to hype single payer.

Frederik B, Friday, 22 September 2017 18:32 (eight years ago)

so Bernie's CNN show is now sanctioned?

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 September 2017 18:34 (eight years ago)

i think he wins on a bye, no?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 22 September 2017 18:46 (eight years ago)

I think he should cede his time to Hillary.

Señor Winces (Old Lunch), Friday, 22 September 2017 18:47 (eight years ago)

Donald Trump. Friday night. At a rally. In Alabama. Hours after having one of his biggest priorities foiled by John McCain. Again. Enjoy!

— Matt Viser (@mviser) September 22, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 September 2017 18:47 (eight years ago)

so Bernie's CNN show is now sanctioned?

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), 22. september 2017 20:34 (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I find it hard to see his actions throughout this whole thing as anything but really stupid.

Frederik B, Friday, 22 September 2017 18:56 (eight years ago)

So is it ... good if a psycho like Moore beats Strange?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 September 2017 18:58 (eight years ago)

No.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 September 2017 18:59 (eight years ago)

The 'winner' in all this -- Dean Heller.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 September 2017 19:00 (eight years ago)

they won't do it so close to midterms

I wouldn't count that chicken until it is hatched. The political benefit of doing it just before mid-terms is that voters will see that ACA has been destroyed, but they won't yet have seen what that looks like in real terms. So, the Republicans get the credit for keeping their promise, while not (yet) getting blamed for the catastrophe they will have imposed on the nation. Then in 2020 they can gin up some other huge distraction to center the election around, instead of healthcare.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 22 September 2017 19:02 (eight years ago)

it's unlikely the democrats will flip the senate, so anything that makes the republican senate corpus less productive seems like a good thing to me, and moore would certainly do that. so my view is it's a short term good, but probably a long term bad.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 22 September 2017 19:03 (eight years ago)

Facebook cave (a good thing)

https://newsroom.fb.com/news/2017/09/providing-congress-with-ads-linked-to-internet-research-agency/

narcs

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 September 2017 19:05 (eight years ago)

People in White House say Trump nor the rest of the crew is very excited about the trip. https://t.co/XaL8B9oN2t

— Josh Dawsey (@jdawsey1) September 22, 2017

mookieproof, Friday, 22 September 2017 19:12 (eight years ago)

caek otm

interesting timing from McCain here - he didn't wait for the floor vote (unlike last time when he told reporters to "wait for the show"), he announced his position well ahead of the vote while McConnell is out of town. I wouldn't be surprised if other swing vote senators start to come out against it now that McCain has provided cover as the breaking vote.

Οὖτις, Friday, 22 September 2017 19:14 (eight years ago)

trump's probably going to nuke Korea this weekend out of angst

akm, Friday, 22 September 2017 19:15 (eight years ago)

only sure-fire way to beat those sunday sads is nuking something ime

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 22 September 2017 19:19 (eight years ago)

maybe he'll just tell everyone to fuck off and start drinking at the podium tonight

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 September 2017 19:19 (eight years ago)

Someone should paint Kim Jong Un's face inside that golden toilet bowl of his so he can 'nuke Korea' to his heart's content without the attendant loss of life.

Señor Winces (Old Lunch), Friday, 22 September 2017 19:20 (eight years ago)

I wonder if McConnell will even bother bringing this up to a vote now, does he really think that will put any pressure on the "no" votes, none of whom are likely to or have paid any price for previous "no" votes?

Οὖτις, Friday, 22 September 2017 19:24 (eight years ago)

if they know it's going down, maybe they want to vote to give heller etc. a chance to publicly vote against it?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 22 September 2017 19:25 (eight years ago)

isn't Heller a co-sponsor?

Οὖτις, Friday, 22 September 2017 19:28 (eight years ago)

haha oh yeah. he comes out of this not great.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 22 September 2017 19:29 (eight years ago)

Yup. If anyone has played his cards 100% wrong it's surely him.

Frederik B, Friday, 22 September 2017 19:31 (eight years ago)

Must really enjoy the Adelson phone calls.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 September 2017 19:32 (eight years ago)

.@SenJoniErnst gets a Graham-Cassidy Q. "I'll be honest, it seems unlikely that we'll be voting on this." Room bursts into applause.

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) September 22, 2017

mookieproof, Friday, 22 September 2017 19:40 (eight years ago)

Just another day in Iowa

Protester in space suit being taken out of Ernst town hall pic.twitter.com/WtKUDrVQv5

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) September 22, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 September 2017 19:51 (eight years ago)

Trump doesn't give a shit about this bill.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 September 2017 19:52 (eight years ago)

he wants a win. Now that this looks grim, he'll step away.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 22 September 2017 19:52 (eight years ago)

yup

Οὖτις, Friday, 22 September 2017 19:53 (eight years ago)

blame McConnell again

Οὖτις, Friday, 22 September 2017 19:53 (eight years ago)

Toggle between blaming McConnell, blaming Democrats, and blaming McCain. Variety is the pumpkin spice of life.

stop the mandolinsanity (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 22 September 2017 19:55 (eight years ago)

I'll bet it was somebody little, or crooked, or sad. Liiiiiiiike his penis.

Señor Winces (Old Lunch), Friday, 22 September 2017 19:58 (eight years ago)

i hope none of these cucks rest until taxes on the rich come down

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 22 September 2017 19:58 (eight years ago)

Blame McConnell, yes. Then he'll taunt the entire Senate and once again (irrelevantly) insist they get rid of the filibuster, even though these bills can't even get 50 votes, let alone 60. Which is a stupid thing to do, but it will leave the vague impression among his followers that this is all the fault of the Senate Democrats's unfair obstructionism.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 22 September 2017 19:59 (eight years ago)

odd choice to hold the CNN debate as scheduled but make the topic "rank the Coen brothers movies" but apparently each senator is on board so

— slackbot (@pareene) September 22, 2017

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 September 2017 20:14 (eight years ago)

Sanders insists the best is "Hudsucker Proxy" -- but he has no REALISTIC plan for proving it! https://t.co/W2n79Rrf27

— Pete Schroeder (@peteschroeder) September 22, 2017

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 September 2017 20:15 (eight years ago)

Sarah Sanders just put out a statement that Ladykillers is their best film.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 22 September 2017 20:17 (eight years ago)

republicans of course perversely voting for Intolerable Cruelty

nomar, Friday, 22 September 2017 20:17 (eight years ago)

no they burn it down like Barton Fink

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 22 September 2017 20:20 (eight years ago)

lol nomar

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 22 September 2017 20:21 (eight years ago)

klobuchar upset with the title fargo despite all the action taking place in minnesota

mookieproof, Friday, 22 September 2017 20:23 (eight years ago)

ever classy

HHS will take https://t.co/hHpJTTaZfz offline nearly every Sunday from 12 a.m. to 12 p.m. of open enrollment, per presentation sent to me. pic.twitter.com/0n5cZ9ENOK

— Sarah Kliff (@sarahkliff) September 22, 2017

mookieproof, Friday, 22 September 2017 20:36 (eight years ago)

*tries to think of a McCain / Raising Arizona joke*

Scape: Goat-fired like a dog! (Myonga Vön Bontee), Friday, 22 September 2017 20:40 (eight years ago)

Give me that vote, you warthog from hell!

Evan, Friday, 22 September 2017 20:43 (eight years ago)

"I'll take these Huggies, and any remaining shreds of national dignity and honor you got in the register."

Nah. Needs work.

stop the mandolinsanity (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 22 September 2017 20:44 (eight years ago)

"and when the Vietcong didn't give us anything to eat, we ate sand"

Οὖτις, Friday, 22 September 2017 20:46 (eight years ago)

hahaha

Scape: Goat-fired like a dog! (Myonga Vön Bontee), Friday, 22 September 2017 21:27 (eight years ago)

oh shit

akm, Friday, 22 September 2017 21:28 (eight years ago)

Who knew!

NEW: A Ukrainian born billionaire who does biz w/ Russian oligarchs is funding Trump's legal representation via RNC https://t.co/pn2aKmmcoc pic.twitter.com/vQL6dv7c3u

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) September 22, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 September 2017 21:37 (eight years ago)

emolumentum

mookieproof, Friday, 22 September 2017 21:40 (eight years ago)

haha

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 22 September 2017 21:41 (eight years ago)

standing O

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 22 September 2017 21:51 (eight years ago)

Funny how it works.

23% of Republicans prefer Obamacare over Graham-Cassidy

**The survey literally called it Obamacare** https://t.co/xR7jON57WB

— Ariel Edwards-Levy (@aedwardslevy) September 22, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 September 2017 22:00 (eight years ago)

McConnell adviser: "close call" on holding Senate vote for accountability reasons even though Graham-Cassidy almost certainly cannot pass

— John Harwood (@JohnJHarwood) September 22, 2017

Why does everyone want Dean Heller to lose? https://t.co/NjcAIdlb9V

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) September 22, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 September 2017 22:02 (eight years ago)

OMG. the @GOP's attempt to buy Murkowski's #GrahamCassidy vote is literally just...

OK ALASKA CAN KEEP #OBAMACARE https://t.co/WMMsl670cg pic.twitter.com/zhXWCX923q

— Jesse Lehrich (@JesseLehrich) September 21, 2017

Karl Malone, Friday, 22 September 2017 22:24 (eight years ago)

Yeah that LOL went around yesterday.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 September 2017 22:27 (eight years ago)

oops! belated lol. so weird that they'd tie that in with hawaii too, whose senators, i'm assuming, aren't considering voting to repeal obamacare

Karl Malone, Friday, 22 September 2017 22:29 (eight years ago)

everything is 5x more expensive in Hawaii, including healthcare

Οὖτις, Friday, 22 September 2017 22:33 (eight years ago)

(I totally made up that multiplier but you know what I mean)

Οὖτις, Friday, 22 September 2017 22:33 (eight years ago)

Hawaii also had mandatory health care long before the ACA, hence the HC-5 form you gots to fill out if you opt out of employer coverage every year

Neanderthal, Friday, 22 September 2017 22:38 (eight years ago)

Fun times

More than a half dozen anti-Trump headlines running on Breitbart tonight

— Gabriel Sherman (@gabrielsherman) September 22, 2017

And Breitbart is denied entry into Trump-Strange rally #alpolitics pic.twitter.com/K9cczUvbrP

— Jeff Poor (@jeff_poor) September 22, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 22 September 2017 23:35 (eight years ago)

Wedgie issue

stop the mandolinsanity (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 22 September 2017 23:42 (eight years ago)

the photo barely matches the tweet but ok.

'do I let in breitbart y/n'

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 22 September 2017 23:46 (eight years ago)

Pictured below, Steve Bannon (center) flanked by the Breitbart editorial staff:

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/three-chefs-holding-pies-fight-kitchen-52019859.jpg

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 22 September 2017 23:48 (eight years ago)

this didn't take long
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/enforcer-or-choke-point-kelly-seeks-to-bring-order-to-chaotic-white-house/2017/09/22/79783610-9fad-11e7-9083-fbfddf6804c2_story.html?utm_term=.51a6e77ed02a

But it also has prompted grumbling about micromanaging within the West Wing, where some staffers complain that Kelly may be growing his mandate too far and that his strict regimen stifles the creativity and spontaneity that have been hallmarks of Trump’s enterprises. As one of Kelly’s subordinates put it, the chief of staff sometimes becomes “a one-man choke point.”

This portrait of Kelly’s management style is based on interviews with more than a dozen senior administration officials and Republicans close to the White House.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 23 September 2017 01:38 (eight years ago)

ts: 'growing his mandate' vs 'the creativity and spontaneity that have been hallmarks of trump'

mookieproof, Saturday, 23 September 2017 01:44 (eight years ago)

Oh Boy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrW-GI_9IL8

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 23 September 2017 05:28 (eight years ago)

And in case you don't feel like looking at Donnie Two-Scoops...

https://scontent-dft4-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/21686226_1551348044904108_7061923840527690738_n.jpg?oh=14b0e16b82e26fac5ceb163cef670e10&oe=5A866DF3

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 23 September 2017 05:37 (eight years ago)

I know it's a total cliche to ask at this point, but...what the fuck is he even talking about. You'd be forgiven for assuming he'd learned English within the past five years, from someone who themselves only had a cursory understanding of the language.

Señor Winces (Old Lunch), Saturday, 23 September 2017 05:50 (eight years ago)

"They'll be the most popular person -- for a week"

Because we all know who must inevitably regain the top spot in the public's affections as soon as the initial thrill wears off and they come to their senses.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 23 September 2017 05:51 (eight years ago)

Ahahahahahah he just uninvited the Golden State Warriors because Stephen Curry wasn't sure if he wanted to go

frogbs, Saturday, 23 September 2017 12:56 (eight years ago)

we can only hope that mr. trump does for the NFL and the USA what he did for the USFL. mrga

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a41135/donald-trump-usfl/

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 23 September 2017 14:25 (eight years ago)

What a piece of shit

(•̪●) (carne asada), Saturday, 23 September 2017 14:28 (eight years ago)

actually Trump is totally a sports talk radio old guy that gets through the call screener and it's like hey Wally from Mound checking in what's on your mind and then the old dude proceeds to go on this inane ramble for 5 minutes, mostly about how whatever star players the team has now are soft, advocating for some 3rd string white wide receiver to start, and namechecking several 1970s greats all the while the host keeps trying to gently interrupt and get him off the line while his eyes shoot daggers at his producer through the glass

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 23 September 2017 14:37 (eight years ago)

too real

j., Saturday, 23 September 2017 14:46 (eight years ago)

ums, damn son

marcos, Saturday, 23 September 2017 15:10 (eight years ago)

But how do they vote? People say "I'm an independent" while lazily stroking their dicks, then go in the booth and vote straight-ticket Republican.

But that makes it *all the more* of a problem for Trump if polls have him in the toilet among self-declared independents. Those are votes he needs.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 23 September 2017 15:55 (eight years ago)

Votes he needs for what? 2020? Pffffft

El Tomboto, Saturday, 23 September 2017 16:33 (eight years ago)

the kochs' own kk kobach voter suppression maestro-ordinaire's is the only vote mr. trump needs. mrga

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 23 September 2017 16:35 (eight years ago)

The wisdom of a milkshake president. pic.twitter.com/FAd09MUI2Y

— Deadspin (@Deadspin) September 23, 2017

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 23 September 2017 18:13 (eight years ago)

whoaaaaaaa

frogbs, Saturday, 23 September 2017 18:49 (eight years ago)

instant classic

ein Sexmonster (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 23 September 2017 19:07 (eight years ago)

this can't be the first time someone made that comparison

frogbs, Saturday, 23 September 2017 19:09 (eight years ago)

Prediction: Not one NFL owner, not Roger Goodell will say one word about what he said about Kaep or other NFL players. Not. A. One. https://t.co/tBv3Q5FZHp

— Jemele Hill (@jemelehill) September 23, 2017

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 23 September 2017 19:09 (eight years ago)

LeBron called him a bum, Chris Paul said he's not man enough to call athletes a "son of a bitch" to their face, and Lesean McCoy said he's an asshole. This is kind of awesome.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 23 September 2017 19:09 (eight years ago)

this can't be the first time someone made that comparison

No, but it's never been this beautifully illustrated

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Saturday, 23 September 2017 19:19 (eight years ago)

actually Trump is totally a sports talk radio old guy that gets through the call screener and it's like hey Wally from Mound checking in what's on your mind and then the old dude proceeds to go on this inane ramble for 5 minutes, mostly about how whatever star players the team has now are soft, advocating for some 3rd string white wide receiver to start, and namechecking several 1970s greats all the while the host keeps trying to gently interrupt and get him off the line while his eyes shoot daggers at his producer through the glass

So 'Sports Lefsetz' then?

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 23 September 2017 20:23 (eight years ago)

master shake thing totally disturbing

Nhex, Saturday, 23 September 2017 20:31 (eight years ago)

add Kerr to that list

Steve Kerr on chances of the Warriors going to WH changed after Charlottesville, "No because there are very fine people on both sides."

— Ramona Shelburne (@ramonashelburne) September 23, 2017

frogbs, Saturday, 23 September 2017 20:59 (eight years ago)

lmao

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 23 September 2017 21:06 (eight years ago)

Prediction: Not one NFL owner, not Roger Goodell will say one word about what he said about Kaep or other NFL players. Not. A. One.

Technically true, because the Packers don't have an owner in the usual sense, but still:

"It's unfortunate that the President decided to use his immense platform to make divisive and offensive statements about our players and the NFL. We strongly believe that players are leaders in our communities and positive influences. They have achieved their positions through tremendous work and dedication and should be celebrated for their success and positive impact. We believe it is important to support any of our players who choose to peacefully express themselves with the hope of change for good. As Americans, we are fortunate to be able to speak openly and freely."

http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-press-release/article-1/Statement-from-Packers-PresidentCEO-Mark-Murphy/77a7005c-17a9-4a30-88af-bf2c19d5cb39

Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 24 September 2017 00:46 (eight years ago)

Off topic of Trump, but on topic of Master Shake, the Mark Levin mashups are even more scarily accurate:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCh6LDor1lKFVSJALU5cwe3A/videos

I'm 100% certain that there are people unfamiliar with Levin who will hear these and not realize there's been a switch. So many of the little mannerisms are dead on.

Devilock, Sunday, 24 September 2017 02:27 (eight years ago)

Official Roundup of NFL Statements

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000849571/article/nfl-owners-ceos-respond-to-trump-comments

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 24 September 2017 02:46 (eight years ago)

Bruce Maxwell of the Oakland A's takes knee tonight

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.timeinc.net/si/mlb/2017/09/23/bruce-maxwell-oakland-athletics-national-anthem-protest%3fsource=dam

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 24 September 2017 03:11 (eight years ago)

now i'm worried that the protests will spread to every team and every sport yet change nothing

j., Sunday, 24 September 2017 03:14 (eight years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WoxLk2g4-w

what happened (daria-g), Sunday, 24 September 2017 03:33 (eight years ago)

Perfect choice, daria

El Tomboto, Sunday, 24 September 2017 03:46 (eight years ago)

you know what's actually pretty disrespectful to the american flag?

the confederate flag

— Matt Slotnick (@matt_slotnick) September 24, 2017

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 24 September 2017 09:37 (eight years ago)

wow he's still going on about the NFL this morning, rapidly burying his own terrifying north korea rhetoric. stay focused, donnie.

...NFL attendance and ratings are WAY DOWN. Boring games yes, but many stay away because they love our country. League should back U.S.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 24, 2017

If NFL fans refuse to go to games until players stop disrespecting our Flag & Country, you will see change take place fast. Fire or suspend!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 24, 2017

Just heard Foreign Minister of North Korea speak at U.N. If he echoes thoughts of Little Rocket Man, they won't be around much longer!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 24, 2017

Roger Goodell of NFL just put out a statement trying to justify the total disrespect certain players show to our country.Tell them to stand!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 23, 2017

btw can twitter really do nothing about its bot problem? every single thing this moron tweets gets tens of thousands of responses and most of the ones you see at the top are by the same five obvious robots spitting out the same memes. not that i really care about twitter as a platform for citizens to reach the president (lol) but jeez....

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 24 September 2017 12:28 (eight years ago)

so basically it's easier to take a stand against the president than it is to take a stand against causing chronic brain damage. good to know.

i wouldn't say that "nothing is changing". i just think it's going to take a while to realize how this experience has changed everyone.

bob lefse (rushomancy), Sunday, 24 September 2017 12:44 (eight years ago)

To be fair, the president is like the world's best spokesperson for chronic brain damage.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 24 September 2017 13:38 (eight years ago)

lol -- may I use that line

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 September 2017 13:56 (eight years ago)

twitter won't fix its bot problem because twitter needs as many users as it can get right now

lots of owners making statements this am including kraft (!)

maura, Sunday, 24 September 2017 14:19 (eight years ago)

Interesting to see that Kraft actually mentions the president in his message. It was much more specific than Goodell's wishy-washy note.

Moodles, Sunday, 24 September 2017 14:21 (eight years ago)

yeah kraft is really good friends with trump, i was surprised.

i think what trump doesn't get is that taking it to the level of ugly personal attacks (calling a player an SOB) they are almost 100% going to close ranks against you

what happened (daria-g), Sunday, 24 September 2017 14:38 (eight years ago)

Only Donald Trump is dumb enough to make Roger Goodell look smart!/respectfreedomofexpression

— Ed Rendell (@GovEdRendell) September 24, 2017

what happened (daria-g), Sunday, 24 September 2017 14:41 (eight years ago)

it's a smart bottom-line move by the owners, foremost

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 24 September 2017 14:46 (eight years ago)

i now fully expect that within the next week, president trump, having misheard a staffer's vague summary of the events of reagan's first year in office, will attempt a public relations coup by announcing he is firing all the nation's football players, effective immediately

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 24 September 2017 15:09 (eight years ago)

He could go full dictator, and attempt to ban sports..."You don't need that stuff anymore...You've got me now, and...this is true...I've got the rallies, the hats, the yelling...the best. They can't compare. A lot of people don't know this but I've actually won the last five Super Bowls..."

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 24 September 2017 15:54 (eight years ago)

Insert lame-ass deflated balls joke here

stop the mandolinsanity (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 24 September 2017 16:01 (eight years ago)

Matt Slotnick @matt_slotnick

you know what's actually pretty disrespectful to the american flag?
the confederate flag

lol after staying off facebook for like 2 months i basically said the same thing (just with more expletives) this morning. the only joy i get out of social media any more is being de-friended by hs acquaintances

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Sunday, 24 September 2017 16:03 (eight years ago)

To be fair, the president is like the world's best spokesperson for chronic brain damage.

― Josh in Chicago

it seems like that sometimes, but he hasn't actually suffered repeated head trauma as far as i know, nor has he pickled his brain... i mean maybe he has some sort of brain tumour or something or maybe he's just a horrible fucking person and always has been.

bob lefse (rushomancy), Sunday, 24 September 2017 16:20 (eight years ago)

many things can be true at the same time

cosmic brain dildo (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 24 September 2017 17:02 (eight years ago)

Has there been any indication that Trump's solipsism isn't total?

Stevolende, Sunday, 24 September 2017 17:27 (eight years ago)

total solipse of the truuuuuuump

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 24 September 2017 17:29 (eight years ago)

one of the things that's fascinating about Trump isn't the lack of humility and empathy but the incapability to feign either quality.

nomar, Sunday, 24 September 2017 17:30 (eight years ago)

Yeah, like a sociopath, go figure.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 24 September 2017 17:33 (eight years ago)

he's so authentic he can't be fake. mrga

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 24 September 2017 17:34 (eight years ago)

In The Mask of Sanity, published in 1941, Cleckley distilled what he believed to be the 16 key behavioral characteristics that defined psychopathy. Most of these factors are still used today to diagnose sociopaths/psychopaths and others with antisocial disorders. (Psychopathy and sociopathy are terms with an intertwined clinical history, and they are now largely used interchangeably. The DSM excludes both, in favor of antisocial personality disorder.)

Superficial charm and good intelligence
Absence of delusions and other signs of irrational thinking
Absence of nervousness or neurotic manifestations
Unreliability
Untruthfulness and insincerity
Lack of remorse and shame
Inadequately motivated antisocial behavior
Poor judgment and failure to learn by experience
Pathologic egocentricity and incapacity for love
General poverty in major affective reactions
Specific loss of insight
Unresponsiveness in general interpersonal relations
Fantastic and uninviting behavior with alcohol and sometimes without
Suicide threats rarely carried out
Sex life impersonal, trivial, and poorly integrated
Failure to follow any life plan

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 24 September 2017 17:35 (eight years ago)

Why would you think to dredge that shit out? Could just as well quote from an alchemist's notes on the nature of minerals

El Tomboto, Sunday, 24 September 2017 17:39 (eight years ago)

That dumbass list at least partially describes 85% of everyone ever

El Tomboto, Sunday, 24 September 2017 17:40 (eight years ago)

i've known sociopaths who are able to express humility and empathy in a vv false manner (like a lot of good politicians, evangelists, everyday folks, etc!) but i mean Trump doesn't even try to pretend.

nomar, Sunday, 24 September 2017 17:42 (eight years ago)

Anything that requires 16 characteristics to define is fake

.oO (silby), Sunday, 24 September 2017 17:49 (eight years ago)

please let's not do armchair psychology. please please PLEASE please it's the dumbest fucking thing in the world. if you're not a doctor, refrain from diagnosing anybody. ever. at all. thanks

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 24 September 2017 17:51 (eight years ago)

can we cite a doctor who does diagnose trump as a sociopath?

iatee, Sunday, 24 September 2017 17:52 (eight years ago)

No because it's not a clinical diagnosis

.oO (silby), Sunday, 24 September 2017 18:01 (eight years ago)

okay so until we convince trump to sit down with a doctor (and not this guy:http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2466206.1450174344!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/harold-bornstein.jpg)

and get a clinical diagnosis, we'll just never be able to address the issue? that seems absurd to me. I think the fact that the leader of the free world most likely has real mental health issues is an elephant in the room and we don't benefit from people (preferably professionals, yeah) not talking about them. we are in a situation where this guy actually could start a nuclear war.

iatee, Sunday, 24 September 2017 18:11 (eight years ago)

You could say he is manifestly unfit for office without, you know, making an ill-informed and uneducated comment about mental health that only really reveals your own prejudices against people suffering from mental illnesses and such-like.

Cyndi Larper (stevie), Sunday, 24 September 2017 18:16 (eight years ago)

Like, Joan Crawford has actual experience in the realms of mental health so I'm guessing they know whereof they speak on this topic.

Cyndi Larper (stevie), Sunday, 24 September 2017 18:17 (eight years ago)

again the appeal to authority thing only works if there weren't mental health professionals who have been willing to break with the goldwater rule, recognizing that things might be different right now:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/13/opinion/mental-health-professionals-warn-about-trump.html?_r=0

iatee, Sunday, 24 September 2017 18:23 (eight years ago)

oh god we get to have this discussion again. we'll have the same old arguments until he dies and then we'll start killing each other over the same old arguments.

i was on team "he's a sociopath" until the guy who wrote the textbook definition of sociopathy opined that he wasn't (on the grounds that sociopaths suffer from their condition, and the president exclusively causes _other_ people to suffer).

it doesn't matter. nothing fucking matters.

bob lefse (rushomancy), Sunday, 24 September 2017 18:34 (eight years ago)

it doesn't matter.

correct

nothing fucking matters.

incorrect

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 24 September 2017 18:38 (eight years ago)

you're right but i've spent all morning reading the billy joel thread, i'm pretty deep in the despair hole right now.

bob lefse (rushomancy), Sunday, 24 September 2017 18:39 (eight years ago)

he is the poster child for affluenza. there, i said it

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 24 September 2017 18:47 (eight years ago)

Joan Crawford has actual experience in the realms of mental health

boy does she ever

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/566943d25a5668b614270ff9/t/57cb4999440243f4ded21635/1472940469917/?format=1500w

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 24 September 2017 18:49 (eight years ago)

she's risen from the grave iirc

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 24 September 2017 18:54 (eight years ago)

https://media.giphy.com/media/ohhcbe4EaTrYA/giphy.gif

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 September 2017 18:57 (eight years ago)

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8fdb8FiNJ1qbsne0o1_500.gif

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 24 September 2017 18:57 (eight years ago)

I didn't mean to validate armchair diagnosis, but even outside the realm of the strictly clinical, objectively speaking the guy is pervasively dishonest, remorseless and seemingly incapable of empathy, which at the least makes him a terrible person, a diagnosis I am entirely comfortable making.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 24 September 2017 18:59 (eight years ago)

Today I learned that people whose views are respected by ILX never look goofy. This was, to put it mildy, a surprise.

Andrew Farrell, Sunday, 24 September 2017 19:03 (eight years ago)

Absence of delusions is the weirdest criteria there. can't say 2sccoops matches, with his BS about exercise and trump university. $25,000,000 tuition fraud settlements seem like products of delusional thinking imho

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 24 September 2017 19:06 (eight years ago)

we all look goofy from time to time. in the case of well-respected ilxors, sometimes ilx lets it pass unremarked.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 24 September 2017 19:25 (eight years ago)

the steelers bet big against mr. trump and lost. go bears?

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 24 September 2017 20:28 (eight years ago)

Do any white players kneel in solidarity with their black teammates?

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 24 September 2017 20:42 (eight years ago)

i saw a few

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 24 September 2017 21:13 (eight years ago)

national anthems at sporting events is fucking despicable, full stop. I have always defiantly sat down during the fucking numerous minute's silences at football games, getting murderous looks off some people. Especially when my kid is stimming and making loads of autism type noise, which I especially enjoy - because they aren't allowed to kill him, as much as they'd obviously like to! But still you occasionally get some indignant Shurrup! from some complete arsehole.

calzino, Sunday, 24 September 2017 21:32 (eight years ago)

cosine

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 24 September 2017 21:58 (eight years ago)

national anthems are terrible

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Sunday, 24 September 2017 21:59 (eight years ago)

La Marseillaise is a choon but it's a war song so

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Sunday, 24 September 2017 22:00 (eight years ago)

at least with the seattle - tennessee game one of the three teams that sat out the national anthem in a locker room will for sure win today. mrga

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 24 September 2017 22:06 (eight years ago)

National anthems are the worst. Not as pieces of music, but when used to conjure a nationalist feeling, they sure are.

Forever baffled at countries that play their anthem at school and drill kids to sing along from a very early age; bizarre.

Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 24 September 2017 22:08 (eight years ago)

Playing it with sports is even worse. It's so dumb.

Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 24 September 2017 22:09 (eight years ago)

We don't have a national anthems C/D S&D thread on ILM?

El Tomboto, Sunday, 24 September 2017 22:23 (eight years ago)

i hope this doesn't mean golden state won't repeat

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 24 September 2017 22:25 (eight years ago)

Golden State's Statement: http://www.nba.com/article/2017/09/23/statement-golden-state-warriors/?src=rss

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 24 September 2017 22:30 (eight years ago)

sonned

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 24 September 2017 23:03 (eight years ago)

i don't like making predictions about politics these days but i feel safe saying that this generation will never see such a thoroughly committed heel in american public life again

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 24 September 2017 23:06 (eight years ago)

oh I wish that could be true

El Tomboto, Sunday, 24 September 2017 23:41 (eight years ago)

Some % of the country doesn't even think he's a heel though, that he's speaking total truth to these selfish millionaire assholetes. Obv we all think those people are jerks too....

One bad call from barely losing to (Alex in SF), Sunday, 24 September 2017 23:58 (eight years ago)

None of this hurts him with his base, so ultimately it's sound and fury.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 September 2017 00:09 (eight years ago)

chait (who I know is a jackass on many progressive issues, thanks) has a decent round-up

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/09/how-trump-bungled-the-politics-of-football.html

as does CNN (which I do not watch, thanks)

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/24/us/nfl-trump-take-knee-protests/index.html

El Tomboto, Monday, 25 September 2017 00:38 (eight years ago)

I love how this all stems from him being mad he had to go down to Alabama to have a rally for Big Luther's failing campaign, and how he couldn't take one for the team and just fake it like any other politician would through such an event. He literally had one job to do, but #TrumpGonnaTrump.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 25 September 2017 00:49 (eight years ago)

Is standing with locked arms a counter-protest, the same protest or, ah, fruitful ambiguity?

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 25 September 2017 01:57 (eight years ago)

it's not quite the same protest but pretty far from ambiguous imo. It's solidarity, if you want to fire us, you fire all of us.

El Tomboto, Monday, 25 September 2017 02:21 (eight years ago)

(not that he can, or even that the owners would, well maybe Dan Snyder would, he's special)

El Tomboto, Monday, 25 September 2017 02:21 (eight years ago)

woody johnson would, and it'd be hard to notice a difference

mookieproof, Monday, 25 September 2017 02:30 (eight years ago)

the amount of ambiguity about the meaning of every possible action fieldside here is pretty wild

'swhat you get for making compulsory participation a touchstone of 'respect for x' for every vague but nationally mythical x

j., Monday, 25 September 2017 03:01 (eight years ago)

s standing with locked arms a counter-protest, the same protest or, ah, fruitful ambiguity?

― Andrew Farrell, Monday, September 25, 2017 11:57 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's not quite the same protest but pretty far from ambiguous imo. It's solidarity, if you want to fire us, you fire all of us.

― El Tomboto, Monday, September 25, 2017 12:21 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

If thats the case, why this:

Following Sunday's 1 p.m. kickoffs, Trump tweeted that he approved of players locking arms, saying it represented "great solidarity" for the country.

(I assume the answer is "cos he's a fucking moron".)

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Monday, 25 September 2017 03:29 (eight years ago)

that is correct

mookieproof, Monday, 25 September 2017 03:46 (eight years ago)

oh noes football players disrespecting a British pub song that got retrofitted into the SSB decades later and has only been our official national anthem since 1931

Neanderthal, Monday, 25 September 2017 06:33 (eight years ago)

Scientists now suggest that there may be such a thing as too much context.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 25 September 2017 07:49 (eight years ago)

Dammit, italics instead of strikethrough.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 25 September 2017 07:50 (eight years ago)

I love how respectful of the anthem and the flag nascar owners are. So respectful that they sell the sponsorship rights to the lower right arm to achieve this shot.

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/633f8c52354dee2ddd170d4a40976a64480ebaf2/0_31_2505_1503/master/2505.jpg?w=1920&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=922903c17f002fc37afb2d7331d0edd7

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 25 September 2017 11:40 (eight years ago)

denver lives mattress

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 25 September 2017 12:25 (eight years ago)

Times cartoon was good today (on my phone, so I can't find it)

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Monday, 25 September 2017 13:36 (eight years ago)

I'd be super cool with NASCAR firing everyone and hiring amateur scabs to drive cars in circles.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 September 2017 13:38 (eight years ago)

Roll on driverless NASCAR.

nashwan, Monday, 25 September 2017 14:54 (eight years ago)

And Trump's STILL going on about the NFL! Is this the most sustained attention he's given to any single issue since taking office?

Doctor Casino, Monday, 25 September 2017 14:55 (eight years ago)

it rules that Trump is now adding "all sports" to the massive list of things his angry retiree base can't enjoy anymore

— slackbot (@pareene) September 24, 2017

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 September 2017 15:02 (eight years ago)

Of the topics he's bloviated about since taking office, professional football is probably the one where he has the most actual lived experience. Of course, that experience was drenched in failure and helped demolish an entire professional sports league. And, failure aside, has nothing whatsoever to do with his current job.

Gewgaws for Meemaw (Old Lunch), Monday, 25 September 2017 15:04 (eight years ago)

Roll on driverless NASCAR.

my preference would be carless nascar

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 25 September 2017 15:07 (eight years ago)

A car can't take a knee. Think about it.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 September 2017 15:08 (eight years ago)

It really is quite remarkable, though not surprising. Almost nil about Puerto Rico, which is a disaster. The most reluctant response to Charlottesville possible, under duress. But this is what gets his attention? And he claims it's not about race, when taking a knee in the first place was explicitly about race? What does he think people are sitting out the national anthem for in the first place?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 September 2017 15:10 (eight years ago)

because they hate freedom obv

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 25 September 2017 15:10 (eight years ago)

The mystery of his focus might have something to so with the fact that LeBron's tweet is already more popular than any of Trump's.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 25 September 2017 15:11 (eight years ago)

And Trump's STILL going on about the NFL! Is this the most sustained attention he's given to any single issue since taking office?

he was really obsessed with the size of his inauguration crowd for the first few days there, but yes, this may be approaching his record. he loves popular culture wars, this is his bread and butter. trump may be getting his ass handed to him on this, but this is the kind of stuff he loves - something which requires very little entry knowledge in order to form an initial opinion, an issue with a clear and symbolic divide. if trump was around for the colosseum days he'd love the thumbs up/thumbs down aspect of it, the simple deciding gesture based on the opinions of a crowd, the violence, everything coming down to a dramatic symbol. even if he hates them for it, i think he instinctively understands that players sitting for the national anthem makes for compelling images so he appreciates it on that level and can't stop thinking about it.

in a slightly better universe, fox news decided to make him host of some sort of The View-like show where he could argue about this kind of stuff in 2007 and he never became president.

Karl Malone, Monday, 25 September 2017 15:11 (eight years ago)

In a much better universe he was pillow-smothered by Ivana during the 1989 Superbowl half-time show.

nashwan, Monday, 25 September 2017 15:21 (eight years ago)

in an even better universe fred trump was sterile

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 25 September 2017 15:35 (eight years ago)

I love that my dad posts stuff like this on FB. He is 72 and way into IDGAF territory.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKiEW1AVwAEEQmP.jpg:large

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Monday, 25 September 2017 16:08 (eight years ago)

✊️

.oO (silby), Monday, 25 September 2017 16:10 (eight years ago)

your dad rules

bob lefse (rushomancy), Monday, 25 September 2017 16:13 (eight years ago)

mr d. otm

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 25 September 2017 16:14 (eight years ago)

https://imgur.com/a/NuFEt

Colours are off, but its blood spatters from the back.

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Monday, 25 September 2017 16:49 (eight years ago)

https://i.imgur.com/nAhFeCH.jpg

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Monday, 25 September 2017 16:50 (eight years ago)

Yeah being "comments-section-in-chief" is really what Trump envisioned when running for Prez and the only real he has any real desire to play

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 25 September 2017 17:11 (eight years ago)

^^Exactly. Had a delayed "Eureka!" moment a few minutes ago when a friend pointed out that prior to Friday, taking a knee was a protest about police killings and supporting BLM...now it's about 'The Flag' and protesting Trump--he's made something about himself again.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 25 September 2017 17:56 (eight years ago)

lol @ "comments-section-in-chief" -- is that yours?

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, 25 September 2017 18:01 (eight years ago)

A Republican Louisiana lawmaker on Monday proposed cutting millions in state tax dollars and subsidies for the New Orleans Saints and the NFL after some of the team’s players refused to stand for the national anthem, according to The New Orleans Advocate.

taking the wrongest way to the correct result

mookieproof, Monday, 25 September 2017 18:22 (eight years ago)

sure. and while we're at it, can we give all the nfl owners wedgies, too?

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 25 September 2017 18:28 (eight years ago)

Today's presser going super well.

.@PressSec says if protest is really about police brutality “They should probably protest the officers protecting them on the field” ?!?!?!

— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) September 25, 2017

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Monday, 25 September 2017 18:31 (eight years ago)

^ that kind of fucked-up 'logic' is exactly what will sound to trump's supporters as the perfect retort

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 25 September 2017 18:32 (eight years ago)

a friend pointed out that prior to Friday, taking a knee was a protest about police killings and supporting BLM...now it's about 'The Flag' and protesting Trump--he's made something about himself again.

that may very well be his goal, or at least a potential unintended effect of what he's doing, similar to previous hostile takeovers of language, people, and ideas (fake news, antifa, etc).

but i'm not sure it will work in this situation. there's a lot of people who care about what athletes say, even though the vast majority of what we hear athletes say is along the lines of "we went out there and got it done. we played some good ball. we knew we had to just keep coming at them and we did it, and then we won the game and that's how it is when you play sports. you go out there and you play ball, and that's what we did today. go out tomorrow and do it again." an everyday BLM protester might get a quick quote halfway down an article that is easily marginalized or ignored or dismissed, to the point where many publications hardly bother even including them. a celebrity athlete can start off a tweet with "U Bum" and lead the news cycle. i hope they keep their focus not just on trump but on what he stands for. i was working all this weekend and barely skimmed the news, but the small bits that i read and heard on the radio seemed to suggest that they were doing just that.

Karl Malone, Monday, 25 September 2017 18:32 (eight years ago)

xxpost These people could make their lives so much easier by just replying 'I'm very stupid' to every question rather than expending precious cognitive energy on non-responses that achieve the same result.

Gewgaws for Meemaw (Old Lunch), Monday, 25 September 2017 18:33 (eight years ago)

posted this on the NRO thread:

VDH, excited about writing purple prose again:

Outside the NFL bubble today, most of America, to the extent it still watches, now sees Sunday afternoon pop demonstrations as increasingly a farce, played out among players who appear neither exploited nor as exemplary model sportsmen, but rather as overpaid and pampered. Given the NFL’s enormous overhead, even a 10–20 percent reduction in attendance and viewing could send financial tsunamis throughout the league.

Nor do the protesting players come across as informed, brave social-justice warriors on the barricades of dissent, but as mostly unable to explain to their fans precisely why and how they are mistreated or why America is a flawed society that does not deserve momentary iconic respect each week. If players were concerned about violence and injustice, why not collect a voluntary 10 percent contribution from the league’s multimillionaire players and use it to fund programs that address systematic and lethal violence in inner-city communities such as Baltimore or Chicago? And if ethics and values are the players’ issues, why over the last decade has there been an increase in player off-field violence and arrests, often marked by well-publicized violence against women?

The owners, again fairly or not, are not viewed any longer so much as maverick tycoons and eccentric entrepreneurs or philanthropic regional family dynasties of the past, but rather as billionaire corporate magnates who invest their riches in glitzy cultural trophies and expect the state to subsidize their excesses. They are going down the Google/Apple/Facebook grandee path of losing their cultural appeal and, with it, their brand.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/451695/trump-nfls-problems-house-cards

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 September 2017 18:38 (eight years ago)

are LA subsidies for the Saints independent of the stadium? cuz that's fucked-up shit

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 September 2017 18:40 (eight years ago)

wait a sec. fucking Victor Davis Hanson who I am sure earns a tidy six figures for sitting around for several hours a week in his polo shirt and penny loafers, furrowing his brow and writing crap like that, thinks that NFL players are "overpaid and pampered" (my emphasis)???

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 25 September 2017 18:45 (eight years ago)

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/opDuw4OZ3QI/maxresdefault.jpg

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 25 September 2017 18:47 (eight years ago)

Well, some of them aren't white, is the thing.

Gewgaws for Meemaw (Old Lunch), Monday, 25 September 2017 18:47 (eight years ago)

You can see pain & confusion on faces of many of the Capitol police officers dragging screaming/crying ppl in wheelchairs against their will

— Jeff Stein (@JStein_Vox) September 25, 2017

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 September 2017 18:59 (eight years ago)

Update: Mike now been arrested by PD. He told me he packed trail mix, hoping to be able to eat in jail pic.twitter.com/0HXn3perYE

— Jeff Stein (@JStein_Vox) September 25, 2017

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 September 2017 19:00 (eight years ago)

God I hate this fucking country.

Alejandro Villanueva, the only Steelers player on the field for the anthem Sunday, now has NFL's top-selling jersey https://t.co/5V5VQadVd2 pic.twitter.com/25WsYcVY72

— clevelanddotcom (@clevelanddotcom) September 25, 2017

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Monday, 25 September 2017 19:00 (eight years ago)

Honestly the NFL can fucking DIAF. It's entertainment wing of all the worst factions of America.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Monday, 25 September 2017 19:02 (eight years ago)

xxp if it's causing them that much "pain and confusion" they could damned well take a stand and refuse to do it.

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Monday, 25 September 2017 19:03 (eight years ago)

2scoops is really good at distracting us from his son-in-law's clinton-esque email crimes :)

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/09/25/553427374/jared-kushner-used-private-email-in-trump-administration-lawyer-confirms

respect the flag!

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 25 September 2017 19:09 (eight years ago)

Kaep's jersey sales skyrocketed after he took a knee as well.

frogbs, Monday, 25 September 2017 19:09 (eight years ago)

Looks like we have a trend!

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/352297-ivanka-trump-used-personal-email-account-for-government-business

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Monday, 25 September 2017 19:12 (eight years ago)

just to make ourselves throw up, let's imagine how diehard trump supporters would react in an alternate universe where clinton wins and and then it turns out that both chelsea clinton and one of her top advisors also insecurely accessed their email

Karl Malone, Monday, 25 September 2017 19:16 (eight years ago)

I imagine their reaction would have included nooses fashioned from coarse ropes and held aloft in torchlight parades

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 25 September 2017 19:18 (eight years ago)

or what they'd say if Hillary said something about North Korea not being around much longer and then NK responded by calling it a declaration of war and threatening to shoot down American planes, that would certainly solidify her status as a warmonger...

nomar, Monday, 25 September 2017 19:22 (eight years ago)

i'm still waiting for the 'whataboutism' that will stump our "conservative" friends, if there is such a thing. listening to ben ferguson defend 2scoops' attack on pro football players (!) has been a worldclass lesson in state of the art derp

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 25 September 2017 19:24 (eight years ago)

A Republican Louisiana lawmaker on Monday proposed cutting millions in state tax dollars and subsidies for the New Orleans Saints and the NFL after some of the team’s players refused to stand for the national anthem, according to The New Orleans Advocate.

Lol good luck etc. Your fucking country.

Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 25 September 2017 19:29 (eight years ago)

nagl Cassidy

https://lawnewz.com/video/gop-senator-cassidy-yawns-as-disabled-healthcare-protesters-are-hauled-away-by-police/

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 September 2017 19:32 (eight years ago)

Sure but choose your battles. It's easy for them to latch onto that with "yawns are involuntary- I mean, this is getting ridiculous!" to distract from having to respond to any larger point.

Evan, Monday, 25 September 2017 19:39 (eight years ago)

hey maybe he was just tired from listening to their litany of complaints

Οὖτις, Monday, 25 September 2017 19:48 (eight years ago)

his next opponent should just run 30-second spots of the yawn

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Monday, 25 September 2017 19:50 (eight years ago)

Sure but choose your battles. It's easy for them to latch onto that with "yawns are involuntary- I mean, this is getting ridiculous!" to distract from having to respond to any larger point.

― Evan

yes, let's use our best tactical wisdom to deal with these evil cretins

seriously, are they _ever_ going to meaningfully recognize any "larger point"? no.

bob lefse (rushomancy), Monday, 25 September 2017 19:55 (eight years ago)

A tale of two Capitol Police Departments. pic.twitter.com/ovlHDt483c

— Asinus Pervicax (@Cato_of_Utica) September 25, 2017

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Monday, 25 September 2017 20:27 (eight years ago)

Cruz is a "no" on the latest healthcare boondoggle

way to go, Lyin' Ted!

Οὖτις, Monday, 25 September 2017 20:38 (eight years ago)

canadian-born rafael "ted" cruz is lawful evil to donald "rosneft" trump's chaotic evil

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 25 September 2017 20:46 (eight years ago)

surely 2scoop's is more neutral evil? he's all about "law n order" when it suits him (ie affects others, at his direction)

Οὖτις, Monday, 25 September 2017 20:47 (eight years ago)

hmmmm. "Chaotic evil
A chaotic evil character tends to have no respect for rules, other people's lives, or anything but their own desires, which are typically selfish and cruel. They set a high value on personal freedom, but do not have much regard for the lives or freedom of other people. Chaotic evil characters do not work well in groups because they resent being given orders and do not usually behave themselves unless there is no alternative."

"Neutral evil
A neutral evil character is typically selfish and has no qualms about turning on allies-of-the-moment, and usually makes allies primarily to further their own goals. A neutral evil character has no compunctions about harming others to get what they want, but neither will they go out of their way to cause carnage or mayhem when they see no direct benefit for themselves. Another valid interpretation of neutral evil holds up evil as an ideal, doing evil for evil's sake and trying to spread its influence. Examples of the first type are an assassin who has little regard for formal laws but does not needlessly kill, a henchman who plots behind their superior's back, or a mercenary who switches sides if made a better offer. An example of the second type would be a masked killer who strikes only for the sake of causing fear and distrust in the community."

...I'm going with "chaotic" here.

bob lefse (rushomancy), Monday, 25 September 2017 20:59 (eight years ago)

i'd wager 2scoops subscribes to the whole 'chaos is a ladder' steez

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 25 September 2017 21:00 (eight years ago)

essential reference reading:

Michael Jackson is basically chaotic good & Axl Rose is lawful evil. If you are in battle Axl will probably kill extra people just to keep himself safe which will benefit your party but Michael is your man otherwise, lawful evil characters will fuck you every time and do not actually give a shit about who they hurt whereas chaotic good players can be Eladrin, who possess Darkvision, the ability to see in the dark & are resistant to cold & fire

― same old song and placenta (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, April 19, 2012 10:51 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Doctor Casino, Monday, 25 September 2017 21:03 (eight years ago)

"Kaep's jersey sales skyrocketed after he took a knee as well"

Saw a few on the train I was on yesterday full of English NFL fans on the way to Wemberley

Fine Toothcomb (sonofstan), Monday, 25 September 2017 21:04 (eight years ago)

lol would love to get in a campaign w JCLC

xp

Οὖτις, Monday, 25 September 2017 21:06 (eight years ago)

Last I heard people in PR seemed to be satisfied with government response, as far as it goes. Is that still the case?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 September 2017 21:34 (eight years ago)

how in the hell were they surveyed, we can't even confirm the safety of 50% of my colleagues from PR

Neanderthal, Monday, 25 September 2017 21:35 (eight years ago)

think it's fair to say that although a large # of troops have been deployed, the response so far has been inadequate and there are challenges beyond the norm at play here that they don't seem to have anticipated (i.e. agriculture being destroyed, most cell towers gone)

Neanderthal, Monday, 25 September 2017 21:37 (eight years ago)

i'm still waiting for the 'whataboutism' that will stump our "conservative" friends, if there is such a thing.

There isn't. Don't delude yourself that the right cares about such small matters as hypocrisy.

louise ck (milo z), Monday, 25 September 2017 21:39 (eight years ago)

xpost All I'm privy to are the same news pieces and reports as everyone else. PR was practically decimated, so things were never going to be "good." I guess what I'm asking is, does there seem to be a vocal and angry call for the government to do more, or accusations that it did not do enough?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 September 2017 21:40 (eight years ago)

Because Idiot President's attention has apparently moved on from multiple national disasters in dramatic fashion. Like, OK, that's done now, what's next on my agenda?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 25 September 2017 21:41 (eight years ago)

Four days after a major hurricane battered Puerto Rico, leaving the entire island in a communications and power blackout, regions outside San Juan remained disconnected from the rest of the island — and the world. Juncos, in a mountainous region southeast of the capital that was slammed with Maria’s most powerful winds, remains isolated, alone, afraid.

Many have been openly wondering when help will arrive, whether from local officials or from the federal government. The first thing some people ask when they see outsiders: “Are you FEMA?”

Puerto Rico Gov. Ricardo Rosselló is warning that his government needs broader assistance from the federal government, calling on the Pentagon especially to provide more aid for law enforcement and transportation. Rosselló said he’s also worried that Congress will shortchange his island once the initial wave of emergency relief is gone.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/hot-isolated-and-running-out-of-supplies-parts-of-puerto-rico-near-desperation/2017/09/24/7f3bcc78-a139-11e7-b14f-f41773cd5a14_story.html?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.248013d3a9e0

curmudgeon, Monday, 25 September 2017 21:42 (eight years ago)

Federal Govt: "BRB still trying to repeal Obamacare"

Οὖτις, Monday, 25 September 2017 21:43 (eight years ago)

Trump: Obamacare is failing, and we must... oh look, NFL...

"Celebration" encourages the listener to celebrate good times. (Dan Peterson), Monday, 25 September 2017 21:49 (eight years ago)

alt header: Facebook Officially Worst Tech Firm Ever

Οὖτις, Monday, 25 September 2017 22:08 (eight years ago)

this makes sense

A thought I keep hearing from Capitol reporters: McConnell doesn't dare pull the Graham-Cassidy bill from the floor until Alabama votes.

— Matt Fuller (@MEPFuller) September 25, 2017

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 25 September 2017 22:12 (eight years ago)

Yup.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 25 September 2017 22:13 (eight years ago)

yeah Blobfish's hand is getting weaker by the day

Οὖτις, Monday, 25 September 2017 22:15 (eight years ago)

?hpid=hp_no-name_facebookads-519pm-1%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.b686055ec3bd

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Monday, 25 September 2017 22:17 (eight years ago)

Collins officially opposes Graham-Cassidy. Key graph: pic.twitter.com/sIxwnqg0YB

— Igor Bobic (@igorbobic) September 25, 2017

👍

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 25 September 2017 22:24 (eight years ago)

welp, put a fork in it

Οὖτις, Monday, 25 September 2017 22:27 (eight years ago)

I almost think the idea among some is to kill it off *before* the Alabama vote tomorrow.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 25 September 2017 22:28 (eight years ago)

I doubt the Alabama primary is foremost in any of the "no" voters minds

Οὖτις, Monday, 25 September 2017 22:31 (eight years ago)

Fox News is now reporting that this missile launch never happened. The President got duped by an old video from 7 months ago. Good grief. https://t.co/AOoIgpj7av

— Brian Klaas (@brianklaas) September 25, 2017

Karl Malone, Monday, 25 September 2017 23:45 (eight years ago)

it's like the hurricane never happened in puerto rico, either

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/09/trump-still-silent-on-puerto-rico-amid-worsening-catastrophe.html

seriously, what a piece of shit!

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 25 September 2017 23:47 (eight years ago)

https://apnews.com/570c910d21be41869f76d45a2c55c359

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 00:12 (eight years ago)

Fuck this guy

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 00:13 (eight years ago)

Fuck all of them. I dream about these assholes visiting factories and falling victim to fatal industrial accidents on live television

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 00:19 (eight years ago)

Secretary Zinke apparently doesn't understand that civil servants are not supposed to be loyal to any one person in government. Presidents come and go. Interior Secretaries come and go. Civil servants are supposed to be loyal to the nation, the Constitution and the law. Anyone who doesn't grasp this is unfit for the office he holds. But Trump is even worse in this regard, and only Trump can fire the guy.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 00:20 (eight years ago)

some of those Steeler fans might be getting a refund

Alejandro Villanueva said he never intended to stand alone during the national anthem on Sunday and apologized to his teammates and coach Mike Tomlin for what he called “a very embarrassing” botching of the team’s pregame plan. “Every single time I see that picture of me standing by myself, I feel embarrassed,” Villanueva said. “We butchered our plan.”

He also made a point to say that he did not take offense to players who have chosen to take a knee during the anthem in protest of “injustices and racial divide,” and continually apologized to the rest of the team. “I made coach Tomlin look bad, and that is my fault and my fault only,” he said. “I made my teammates look bad, and that is my fault and my fault only.”

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/steelers/2017/09/25/alejandro-villanueva-steelers-national-anthem-protest/stories/201709250175

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 00:34 (eight years ago)

that's really nice and gracious of him, but i wouldn't have had hard feelings were i his teammate.

brimstead, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 01:10 (eight years ago)

oh wait there i go posting before reading

this is such stupidity

brimstead, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 01:11 (eight years ago)

The various reports from the Moore rally in Alabama are...odd.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 01:19 (eight years ago)

Dont u mean... strange

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 01:58 (eight years ago)

Bannon at 35:00

http://www.youtube.com/embed/34e5IYbtz0U

Eazy, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 02:10 (eight years ago)

moore moore moore!

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 02:10 (eight years ago)

I don't understand whether Graham-Cassidy is dead yet

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 02:14 (eight years ago)

It is

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 02:14 (eight years ago)

Nigel Farage is there?

Treeship, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 02:14 (eight years ago)

To introduce the rolling stones "street fighting man"

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 02:21 (eight years ago)

how is bernie doing

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 02:29 (eight years ago)

breakdancin

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 02:39 (eight years ago)

I don't understand whether Graham-Cassidy is dead yet

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, September 25, 2017 10:14 PM (thirty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It is

― Οὖτις, Monday, September 25, 2017

so is Puerto Rico if things keep up

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 02:47 (eight years ago)

don't worry Trump tweeted about how their misfortune is largely their fault not that long ago

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 02:48 (eight years ago)

Dang, Shannon Sharpe is taking no prisoners.

"I'm disappointed, and I'm unimpressed."@ShannonSharpe's full response to NFL teams showing unity in wake of President Trump's remarks pic.twitter.com/wveEGgiFW7

— UNDISPUTED (@undisputed) September 25, 2017

Moodles, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 03:17 (eight years ago)

when trump finally makes a statement on puerto rico he'll be like "puerto rico is in some trouble. but many places are in trouble. the victims of antifa, they have some problems. both sides are in some trouble."

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 03:18 (eight years ago)

but will the victims of antifa get millions of dollars in assistance? the media doesn't want me to mention that. everyone gets very uncomfortable when i mention that, do you see them? everyone's squirming, "no mr. president, please, we can't handle any more facts about the victims of antifa"

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 03:20 (eight years ago)

Not far off the mark - see his Twitter.

Eazy, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 03:22 (eight years ago)

His comments are exactly as gross as you'd expect.

Moodles, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 03:24 (eight years ago)

did anyone watch the We should repeal obamacare and watch everyone die vs We should go Single Payer and also ban all religion and worship lenin debate tonight?

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 03:32 (eight years ago)

only saw this which was pretty damn good

Bernie's closing argument in tonight's #HealthCareDebate.

Ready to fight for #MedicareForAll? Join @DemSocialists: https://t.co/g3s6y2GKdT pic.twitter.com/SL0W9bSRjp

— Pittsburgh DSA🌹 (@pghDSA) September 26, 2017

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 03:34 (eight years ago)

It's pretty funny to me given...other things that are going on that he's the biggest defender of two of Obama's most prominent accomplishments (ACA and the Iran deal)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 03:50 (eight years ago)

Every now and then I am struck again by the lunacy that the wealthiest nation on earth considers providing for the health care needs of its citizens from the taxation base, as a battleground for political ideology. It's as if Congress was debating whether or not clean drinking water should be mandatory in urban areas.

attention vampire (MatthewK), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 04:23 (eight years ago)

That is also up for debate. See Flint, Michigan. We also can’t get the right aid package approved for PR.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 04:28 (eight years ago)

The US teaches history by telling children that if you want to put a man on the moon and invent the Internet then you better start by committing a violent tax revolt. That is a part of the national character.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 04:31 (eight years ago)

where the fuck are all those "bernie debating cassidy-graham will undermine the ACA" chickenshits now

— timothy 💀 faust (@crulge) September 26, 2017

Hit to Death in the "Galactic Head" (kingfish), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 06:56 (eight years ago)

A significant chunk of the wealthiest nation on earth is not only opposed to the provision of health care to another chunk, they’re uninterested in the prospect of their murder by authority, so..

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 07:39 (eight years ago)

Woah that Shannon Sharpe clip

Cyndi Larper (stevie), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 09:10 (eight years ago)

Somewhat mis-sold, thought he was unimpressed with the players!

nashwan, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 09:19 (eight years ago)

yeah

xpost

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 09:19 (eight years ago)

Spurs coach Gregg Popovich: Time to decide "the decent America we all thought we had and want is more important" than Pres. Trump's conduct. pic.twitter.com/ImnHDOP43b

— ABC News (@ABC) September 25, 2017

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 10:08 (eight years ago)

Wow.

The Fortnightly Intruder (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 10:13 (eight years ago)

thx president trump for making the nfl good now

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 10:16 (eight years ago)

to answer timothy faust: Denmark

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 11:14 (eight years ago)

this guy seems cool

pic.twitter.com/sPwr5mcNS2

— Keith Ablow, M.D. (@keithablow) September 25, 2017

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 11:30 (eight years ago)

S. Sharpe otm re CASH, as i said on Sunday in fact

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 11:32 (eight years ago)

xp Way to work an ad for your business into your "patriotic meme"

attention vampire (MatthewK), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 11:34 (eight years ago)

He's never a real doctor, I can read that prescription

Cyndi Larper (stevie), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 12:05 (eight years ago)

overzealous patriots fan

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 12:11 (eight years ago)

according to the replies, the dude's name is actually Keith Assblow

frogbs, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 13:13 (eight years ago)

That really made my day

Dr Keith Assblow (stevie), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 13:21 (eight years ago)

Wait how do you order a prescription pad

.oO (silby), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 13:48 (eight years ago)

the frontrunner in the Alabama Senate race, ladies and gents:

Jeff Stein
Some right-wing conservatives think Sharia law is a danger to America — do you?

Roy Moore
There are communities under Sharia law right now in our country. Up in Illinois. Christian communities; I don’t know if they may be Muslim communities.

But Sharia law is a little different from American law. It is founded on religious concepts.

Jeff Stein
Which American communities are under Sharia law? When did they fall under Sharia law?

Roy Moore
Well, there’s Sharia law, as I understand it, in Illinois, Indiana — up there. I don't know.

Jeff Stein
That seems like an amazing claim for a Senate candidate to make.

Roy Moore
Well, let me just put it this way — if they are, they are; if they’re not, they’re not.

That doesn’t matter. Oklahoma tried passing a law restricting Sharia law, and it failed. Do you know about that?

Jeff Stein
No, I don’t.

Roy Moore
Well, it did. The thing about it is it shouldn’t have failed because it can be restricted because it’s based on religious principles ...

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/9/26/16365774/judge-roy-moore-us-constitution

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 13:51 (eight years ago)

I, um, what now?

nomar, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 13:54 (eight years ago)

🤦‍♂️

nomar, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 13:54 (eight years ago)

Pretty sure he's confusing Sharia law with Shania Twain, and he's wrong about that, too, since she won't be here until the end of May, supporting her comeback album, "Now," in stores soon!

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 13:57 (eight years ago)

good to know that roy "ten commandments" moore endorses the restriction of state actions based on religious principles

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 13:58 (eight years ago)

Moore gonna Moore. This guy has been famous for years primarily for being a religious nut. A friend of mine clerked for him way back then, was a rough time.

Hey, that was fast: DJTJ reportedly requested no secret service, got rid of it for a couple of days, and now has it back.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 14:01 (eight years ago)

meanwhile, this morning's presidential tweet tally: two hyping Big Luther Strange, one on North Korea, and one on Puerto Rico which is primarily dedicated to accepting thank-yous and makes an interesting companion to last night's batch blaming the territory for its problems:

Thank you to Carmen Yulin Cruz, the Mayor of San Juan, for your kind words on FEMA etc.We are working hard. Much food and water there/on way

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 26, 2017

...oh right and four more on NFL protests

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 14:03 (eight years ago)

It's mystifying to me that the people who are drawn to the subliterate ramblings of, say, a Roy Moore are capable of working out the intricacies of registering to vote and then eventually casting a vote on the right day and in the right place rather than, say, getting lost in their own backyard and starving to death.

Gewgaws for Meemaw (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 14:06 (eight years ago)

getting lost in a bag of Cheetos

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 14:14 (eight years ago)

I don't think I'll ever get over these salt-of-the-earth types obediently lapping up all this anti-elites rhetoric from Steve "Goldman Sachs/kids in private school/rolling in Seinfeld money" Bannon. I mean, even beyond the fashion choices, it's obvious at this point that just looking gross is a big part of his strategy. How can ol' Steve be a Hollywood elite when he looks like somebody who'd fall asleep in a recliner with his hand down his pants.

evol j, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 14:29 (eight years ago)

I’d like to learn more about the communities in America you think are under Sharia law.

I was informed that there were. But if they’re not, it doesn’t matter.

Moore and Trump are going to get along great.

"Celebration" encourages the listener to celebrate good times. (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 14:31 (eight years ago)

It's so weird that trump is supporting Strange over him, because I think you're right, they really will get along. I guess the first time that Moore visits the Oval Office and they exchange stories about some non-existent threat that they both heard about somehwhere (daily caller) they'll have a real bonding moment

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 14:46 (eight years ago)

his opponent should merely hand out FAQs that say

Q: Where does Sharia law currently exist in the United States?
A: Fucking nowhere.

Neanderthal, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 14:46 (eight years ago)

as i think was posted above, Trump already said "I may have made a mistake" re Strange, so LOL endorsement.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 14:49 (eight years ago)

http://www.mrbananagrabber.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/GOB-for-president-sticker.jpg

Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 15:03 (eight years ago)

There's something to be said for dgaf money, for being so independent it doesn't matter what anyone says. There's something else to be said for people like Trump, who definitely dgaf and definitely has money and independence, and chooses again and again to still do the most wrong, most cowardly things. That something else is, as always, fuck you, you piece of shit.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 15:26 (eight years ago)

his opponent should merely hand out FAQs that say

Q: Where does Sharia law currently exist in the United States?
A: Fucking nowhere.

― Neanderthal, Tuesday, September 26, 2017 10:46 AM (thirty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Overheard the owner of the little food stand down the street say "Sharia law is taking over the country! It's awful..." to a friend/regular months ago. People out there believe this stuff...

Evan, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 15:29 (eight years ago)

Is there a tipping point, after a certain percentage of people have clicked 'unsubscribe' on consensus reality, where we'll just suddenly find ourselves living in Imaginationland?

Gewgaws for Meemaw (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 15:32 (eight years ago)

I know right? If we don't do something now Sharia law will be everywhere!!!!!

Evan, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 15:43 (eight years ago)

people like to downplay talk shit on baudrillard and debord but seeing our experience of the world as part of simulacra and "the spectacle" makes more sense to me than most anything else

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 15:49 (eight years ago)

couldn't decide between downplay and talk shit so i went with downplay talk shit
*inside the poster*

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 15:50 (eight years ago)

Fun times

White House aides say they will try and direct blame to McConnell for dual Ocare/Luther Strange failures https://t.co/KurawSrfoP

— Sam Stein (@samstein) September 26, 2017

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 15:52 (eight years ago)

*inside the poster*

a post that is more detailed and complex than the thing it is posting about

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 15:59 (eight years ago)

Overheard the owner of the little food stand down the street

it's sad he's been replaced by a taco truck now

felix! phelix! ghelix! (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 16:26 (eight years ago)

Yam, McConnell, Roy Moore... every generation gets the Universal Pictures monsters it deserves

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 16:27 (eight years ago)

Jeff Sessions is giving a speech today at Georgetown Law about free speech on college campuses. 130 students have been banned from attending pic.twitter.com/L8fJXna7a6

— sick transit, gloria (@samknight1) September 26, 2017

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 16:32 (eight years ago)

Sharia law in the USA? That's so not gonna happen. The swarms of illegal immigrants flooding our country from Mexico will vote it down!

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 16:48 (eight years ago)

I was informed that there was Sharia law in Mexico. But if there isn't, it doesn’t matter.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 16:55 (eight years ago)

http://www.businessinsider.com/jared-kushner-lawyer-email-prankster-private-2017-9

Abbe Lowell, a top Washington lawyer, exchanged emails on Monday with a prankster posing as his client Jared Kushner, at one point telling the prankster he needed to see "all emails" sent and received from a private email account Kushner had set up in December.

The exchange, which the prankster provided to Business Insider, comes as Kushner, the senior White House adviser who's the son-in-law of President Donald Trump, is dealing with his own minor email scandal, and offers a window into how his team is responding in its initial stages.

Politico reported on Sunday that Kushner had used a private email address to communicate with top White House officials, including the former chief of staff Reince Priebus and former chief strategist Steve Bannon. The New York Times reported on Monday night that as many as six top White House officials, including Priebus and Bannon, had used private email accounts to discuss White House matters.

Lowell's exchange with the man posing as Kushner marks the second time this month that a top lawyer representing a senior White House official corresponded with the prankster thinking he was a colleague or client. The White House special counsel, Ty Cobb, disclosed information about the FBI's Russia investigation to the prankster earlier this month thinking he was the White House social-media director, Dan Scavino.

On Monday, the prankster wrote to Lowell from the address kush✧✧✧.ja✧✧✧@m✧✧✧.c✧✧ asking what he should do with "some correspondence on my private email ... featuring adult content."

"Can I remove these?" the prankster asked.

"Forwarded or received from WH officials?" Lowell responded.

"I think one was forwarded from a White House official, we had discussed a shared interest of sorts," the prankster said. "It was unsolicited. Then there are a handful more, but not from officials."

"I need to see I think all emails between you and WH (just for me and us)," Lowell wrote. "We need to send any officials emails to your WH account. Not stuff like you asked about. None of those are going anywhere."

"But we can bury it?" the prankster responded. "I'm so embarrassed. It's fairly specialist stuff, half naked women on a trampoline, standing on legoscenes, the tag for the movie was #standingOnTheLittlePeople :("

Lowell replied: "Don't delete. Don't send to anyone. Let's chat in a bit."

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 16:58 (eight years ago)

nytimes has a good piece today about people freaking out about sharia law to xxxposts above

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/26/magazine/how-fake-news-turned-a-small-town-upside-down.html?_r=0

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 17:16 (eight years ago)

Before boarding a waiting SUV, Stone told the Infowars kid he wanted him to take a specific shot. This was it: pic.twitter.com/nqKx61ICMG

— Olivia Nuzzi (@Olivianuzzi) September 26, 2017

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 17:28 (eight years ago)

Luther Strange totally sounds like a Spider-Man or Batman character name

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 17:46 (eight years ago)

I designed a poster for him reading "GET SOME STRANGE," but it wasn't adopted.

stop the mandolinsanity (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 17:48 (eight years ago)

always thought that about Ash Carter
xp

mizzell, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 17:49 (eight years ago)

Screencap from last night:

pic.twitter.com/dyvpv6TMII

— Paul Blest (@pblest) September 26, 2017

Hit to Death in the "Galactic Head" (kingfish), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 17:52 (eight years ago)

I managed to watch about 15 minutes of that, until Lindsay Graham got into the "Planned Parenthood sells aborted fetuses for profit!" line

frogbs, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 17:54 (eight years ago)

The end.

MCCONNELL tells GOP senators there'll be no vote on Graham-Cassidy, sources tell @DanaBashCNN @Phil_Mattingly and me

— Manu Raju (@mkraju) September 26, 2017

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 18:27 (eight years ago)

Luther Strange totally sounds like a Spider-Man or Batman character name

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Strange

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 18:27 (eight years ago)

The republicans will never stop trying to kill socialized healthcare funding. If they face popular opposition they will just get extra sneaky and make complex rules and amendments that effectively weaken and bleed the thing until eventually they get their way. The combined cleverness and sinister powers will just find some other way to get what they wanted.

Dean of the University (Latham Green), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 18:33 (eight years ago)

Generally Agree, but you appear to be ascribing "cleverness" to what can so easily be ascribed to naked malice.

stop the mandolinsanity (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 18:42 (eight years ago)

Trump on Puerto Rico: "we have had tremendous reviews."

— Jim Acosta (@Acosta) September 26, 2017

mookieproof, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 18:44 (eight years ago)

xpost I mean, if three-quarters of a year with complete control of the federal government and no legislative achievements to speak of doesn't put paid to the notion of GOP 'cleverness'...

this is ridcolus (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 18:45 (eight years ago)

no legislative achievements

From some right-wing POVs this is itself an achievement. Govern least = govern best, and all that.

stop the mandolinsanity (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 18:55 (eight years ago)

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/u-s-appeals-court-consider-rights-gay-workers-n804791

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 18:57 (eight years ago)

Some right-wing POVs would be able to put a positive spin on their elected GOP congresspeople stopping by to slam their constituents' genitals in a car door. Everything's cool with Tribalism®!

this is ridcolus (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 19:00 (eight years ago)

Trump Defends Feud with ‘Disgraceful’ NFL Protesters: ‘I Have Plenty of Time On My Hands’ https://t.co/zvVs3joQ5e pic.twitter.com/I6s2im76ro

— Mediaite (@Mediaite) September 26, 2017

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 19:05 (eight years ago)

would think his tiny hands wouldn't be able to handle that much time tbh

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 19:08 (eight years ago)

His thought processes really are amazing, virtually everything he says in that clip is followed by non sequitur.

I wasn't preoccupied with the NFL... I was ashamed...

I have plenty of time on my hands... all I do is work...

That's an important function of working... it's called respect for our country...

"Celebration" encourages the listener to celebrate good times. (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 19:25 (eight years ago)

and thanks to him now we also know how islands are formed ..or do we ?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 19:29 (eight years ago)

you can't drive a trunk to one ?! that's news to me

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 19:30 (eight years ago)

i believe we can drive a truck to an island...i'm a glass half full kinda guy though

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 19:33 (eight years ago)

If anyone can, it's our president. I urge him to put on his big boy truck-driving face and make it happen.

this is ridcolus (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 19:34 (eight years ago)

why doesn't he nuke Puerto Rico? You know he wants to. Presto – no more crisis!

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 19:41 (eight years ago)

he's going to use nukes on someone, that seems clear

cosmic brain dildo (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 19:44 (eight years ago)

he's going to nuke Seoul, isn't he

nomar, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 19:47 (eight years ago)

by extension, yes

cosmic brain dildo (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 19:49 (eight years ago)

Like, does he know Washington, DC is closer to San Juan than it is any US city west of, say, Denver?

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 19:57 (eight years ago)

BREAKING: Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), chair of powerful Foreign Relations Committee, is retiring, dealing a blow to GOP establishment

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 20:03 (eight years ago)

Do you think Trump could approximate the length of a foot if prompted? Or, if told which direction was west, figure out where north is in relation? I wonder sometimes.

this is ridcolus (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 20:04 (eight years ago)

re corker - whats up with this cryptic shit

👀 pic.twitter.com/LGvAqdZXWh

— Pwn All The Things (@pwnallthethings) September 26, 2017

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 20:08 (eight years ago)

TN Sen race Quentin Tarantino vs Exhumed Corpse of Andrew Jackson Being Manipulated By Steve Bannon like Weekend at Bernie's gonna be lit af

— Kilgore Trout (@KT_So_It_Goes) September 26, 2017

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 20:09 (eight years ago)

Already jokes about getting Peyton Manning to run.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 20:10 (eight years ago)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Co5wFp4UAAAmhl9.jpg

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 20:11 (eight years ago)

GOP frontrunner for Corker seat would be Marsha Blackburn, last seen doing this pic.twitter.com/pcrLw1Da0y

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) September 26, 2017

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 20:11 (eight years ago)

lol so long asshole

is Tennessee still competitive? I recall Corker first winning his seat in a pretty closely contested election

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 20:17 (eight years ago)

NYT: The acting head of DEA will resign this week—says he has become convinced Trump has little respect for the law.https://t.co/MyvD7ldBkh

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) September 26, 2017

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 21:22 (eight years ago)

And more reconfirmations

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/09/26/politics/special-counsel-irs-russia-probe-information-sharing/index.html

The IRS is now sharing information with special counsel Robert Mueller about key Trump campaign officials, after the two entities clashed this summer over both the scope of the investigation into Russia's meddling in the 2016 election and a raid on former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort's home, people briefed on the matter tell CNN.

Part of the concern centered on the far-reaching and broad requests from Mueller's team. In the case of Manafort, Mueller's investigators are reaching back 11 years as they investigate possible tax and financial crimes, according to search warrant documents. Mueller is bound by a written order issued by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein in May which allows the special counsel to investigate "any matters that arose or may arise directly from the investigation."

After several months of being at odds, one source said, the IRS Criminal Investigation division is now sharing information about campaign associates, including Manafort and former White House national security adviser Michael Flynn. The sharing happened after the two camps reached an agreement following consultation with officials at the Treasury Department.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 21:44 (eight years ago)

how long after polls close til they call the primary in alabama tonight? an hour? 30 mins?

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 22:02 (eight years ago)

is Tennessee still competitive? I recall Corker first winning his seat in a pretty closely contested election

is there even a democratic party in tennessee?

bodak horseman (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 22:08 (eight years ago)

isnt the other senator from Tennessee the charisma free Lamar(!) Alexander?

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 22:18 (eight years ago)

is there even a democratic party in tennessee?

Of course there is. Corker barely beat this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Ford_Jr. by 2%, why because racism

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 22:22 (eight years ago)

that's true it was a strangely close race but i can guarantee it wouldn't be today. GOP could run a drifter with neurosyphilis and he'll beat any Dem by 15 points in TN

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 22:48 (eight years ago)

Harold Ford supported the Iraq War and opposed homosexual marriage at the point at which Clintonism was no longer tenable. Obv I wish he'd beat a Republican, but he remains such a Third Way milqueteoast on talk shows.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 22:55 (eight years ago)

^also v true

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 22:56 (eight years ago)

He doesn't realize he was wrong in 2006 yet he grinds on and on about Finding Common Ground and Bipartisanship.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 22:58 (eight years ago)

tennessee is a blue heart surrounded by a lot of underemployed red
http://www.clarksvilleonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/Tennessee-County-Unemployment-Rates-for-January-2017.jpg

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 23:00 (eight years ago)

also p much every one of those counties surrounding Davidson would vote (R)

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 23:05 (eight years ago)

sounds like my body

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 23:05 (eight years ago)

lol here we go. didn't realize Knox had it quite that bad

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Tennessee,_2016#/media/File:Tennessee_Presidential_Election_Results_2016.svg

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 23:07 (eight years ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election_in_Tennessee,_2016#/media/File:Tennessee_Presidential_Election_Results_2016.svg

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 23:08 (eight years ago)

wow

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 23:26 (eight years ago)

Whomp whomp

Politico: Tom Price's private jet travels included lunch with his son, trips to places where he owns property. https://t.co/nIEwW1xnYK

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) September 26, 2017

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 23:29 (eight years ago)

I love Griffin's hair.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 September 2017 23:40 (eight years ago)

tennessee is a blue heart surrounded by a lot of underemployed red

This is really increasingly what America looks like.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 26 September 2017 23:48 (eight years ago)

tom price's forehead is so unbelievably smooth I can't handle it

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 00:06 (eight years ago)

took two hours to call AL for Moore.. I wuz wrong.

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 00:57 (eight years ago)

I have it on good authority that millions of illegal commandments were bused in, possibly from Indiana or Illinois, to vote against Big Luther. #fakelection

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 01:03 (eight years ago)

Maybe if we are lucky a host of other GOP assholes will be voted out and replaced with more outright lunatics.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 01:05 (eight years ago)

we've been lucky enough for that to happen for about at least 10 years now, right? it may be a good thing politically, ultimately, but it sure has sucked having so many outright lunatics in office

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 01:09 (eight years ago)

White House immediately releases photos of Trump in the Situation Room during a briefing on hurricane recovery in Puerto Rico. pic.twitter.com/H0p493hzaB

— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) September 26, 2017

dial it back, pence. dial it back

j., Wednesday, 27 September 2017 01:42 (eight years ago)

Every man in that photo doing "that face" wtf

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 01:57 (eight years ago)

The Environmental Protection Agency is spending nearly $25,000 to construct a secure, soundproof communications booth in the office of Administrator Scott Pruitt, according to government contracting records.

The agency signed a $24,570 contract earlier this summer with Acoustical Solutions, a Richmond-based company, for a “privacy booth for the administrator.” The company sells and installs an array of sound-dampening and privacy products, from ceiling baffles to full-scale enclosures like the one purchased by the EPA. The project’s scheduled completion date is Oct. 9, according to the contract.

Typically, such soundproof booths are used to conduct hearing tests. But the EPA sought a customized version — one that eventually would cost almost several times more than a typical model — that Pruitt can use to communicate without fear of being monitored.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/09/26/epa-spending-almost-25000-to-install-a-secure-phone-booth-for-scott-pruitt/

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 01:59 (eight years ago)

pruitt has some vigorous jerkoff-a-thons planned, sheesh

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 02:02 (eight years ago)

pruitt's the exact kind of person who ends up paying off someone to murder a personal enemy and no one is surprised

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 02:03 (eight years ago)

He's going to be inside a soundproof booth but "communicating", so not an airgapped SCIF? so not actually likely to be unmonitored by someone or other?

.oO (silby), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 02:05 (eight years ago)

Lower the cone of silence!

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 02:21 (eight years ago)

assistant, cancel all my appointments after lunch: i'm entering my chamber of silence and i won't come out until my personal guard is doubled to 36 people

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 02:23 (eight years ago)

assistant: from now on i will call you my number one ass. specialist. ready my towel and wait until i give the secret knock from outside

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 02:25 (eight years ago)

What a country, etc

The Washington Post found a Hillary Clinton --> Roy Moore crossover voter. And her rationale doesn't disappoint.https://t.co/wrSIzeJ9PY pic.twitter.com/pTYa3K18H6

— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) September 27, 2017

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 04:45 (eight years ago)

.@RepThomasMassie with a keen insight pic.twitter.com/agKpPNIQfY

— Matt Mackowiak (@MattMackowiak) September 27, 2017

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 04:48 (eight years ago)

Can we just take a second to lol/boggle at trump mass deleting his pro Luther Strange tweets? It's really a classic old man confused by internet moment.

jjjusten, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 05:03 (eight years ago)

next week someone's going to ask him about it and he'll just yell FAKE NEWS and we'll all have a laugh and move on to the next dumb thing

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 05:04 (eight years ago)

or maybe he'll have a heart attack

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 05:39 (eight years ago)

That's the whole reason we're in this sports thing rn, because Trump was already locked into that rally, and instead of faking it for Big Luther, he turned it into a Trump rally.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 05:50 (eight years ago)

Just another day!

In private, President Trump has taken to physically mocking Mitch McConnell and John McCain https://t.co/C8GEdrDS57

— Justin Green (@JGreenDC) September 27, 2017

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 12:56 (eight years ago)

Oh dear.

In honor of Roy Moore's primary victory tonight, a flashback to 2004 when the judge read me some of his love poetry https://t.co/9S4VRgkhTI pic.twitter.com/ndq6iTAG6O

— Katherine Mangu-Ward (@kmanguward) September 27, 2017

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 12:58 (eight years ago)

So any sort of tax reform, gut, redistribution of wealth further towards the wealthy, that requires 60 votes now right?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 13:01 (eight years ago)

rhyming couplets tying together judicial imagery and romance

"I'll love you to the fullest extent of the law / The size of my gavel will have you in awe"

BRB, trying to rhyme "originalism" with "jism."

stop the mandolinsanity (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 13:03 (eight years ago)

try "schism"

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 13:41 (eight years ago)

"For our love I'd be a willing Pariah / I have some very weird ideas about the law of Sharia"

Dr Keith Assblow (stevie), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 13:42 (eight years ago)

Facebook was always anti-Trump.The Networks were always anti-Trump hence,Fake News, @nytimes(apologized) & @WaPo were anti-Trump. Collusion?

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 27, 2017



..But the people were Pro-Trump! Virtually no President has accomplished what we have accomplished in the first 9 months-and economy roaring

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 27, 2017

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 13:45 (eight years ago)

no President has accomplished what we have

I'll give him that one, yep.

Mark G, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 13:52 (eight years ago)

that's true, virtually no President has accomplished this level of gumming up the works in a mere 9 months

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 13:52 (eight years ago)

So any sort of tax reform, gut, redistribution of wealth further towards the wealthy, that requires 60 votes now right?

― Josh in Chicago, 27. september 2017 15:01 (forty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Nope, they will just write another reconciliation bill. But they can only do this once a year, so they have definitely wasted their one chance of doing anything in fiscal year 2017. They will now have to find out what they want to do in 2017. Another health care bill. Tax cuts. Or - and this surprised me - they can apparently just try to do both at the same time.

We'll see what they want to do. But if they do tax cuts they now don't have the savings from the health care cuts to give away. And if they do the combined bill, I'd say there's a 90% chance they can't do it and won't get anything at all - how the fuck are they going to get Murkowski and Collins with them on a bill that would explicitly tie health care 'reform' with tax cuts for the wealthy? But that still means there's a 10% chance they will basically kill sick people, so hopefully they drop it.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 13:55 (eight years ago)

You can’t even get 50 votes. U bum. https://t.co/91McxtDjya

— John Dingell (@JohnDingell) September 27, 2017

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 14:06 (eight years ago)

i really hope 'u bum' follows trump around for the rest of his life, it's such a simple, perfect rejoinder

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 14:12 (eight years ago)

few other musicians shit on stage but that doesn't make GG Allin a virtuoso

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 14:14 (eight years ago)

Trump is blaming everyone but himself for Strange's election loss, several sources tell CNN, and went to bed "embarrassed and pissed."

— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) September 27, 2017

(I then hope he pissed the bed.)

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 14:14 (eight years ago)

Should be a comma after "embarrassed."

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 14:16 (eight years ago)

'bare-assed and piss-soaked'

this is ridcolus (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 14:17 (eight years ago)

(I then hope he pissed the bed.)

Well, Obama had slept in it before him I guess.

Dr Keith Assblow (stevie), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 14:20 (eight years ago)

He can feel embarrassment?

Evan, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 14:22 (eight years ago)

uh, I'm checking his Twitter and he never endorsed Strange, wtf are y'all talking about

frogbs, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 14:24 (eight years ago)

Nothing shows the decadence of the Washington press than the insistence on framing this race as "establishment versus outsider." On what fucking planet is Luther Strange or a Luther Strange-Donald Trump alliance "establishment"?

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 14:26 (eight years ago)

I don't know why he'd even bother to delete his Strange-endorsement tweets when practically every extant tweet he wrote about Obama's presidency now functions as a brutal self-critique.

this is ridcolus (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 14:29 (eight years ago)

Plus it's just weird to see him exhibiting any behavior which indicates embarrassment or shame.

this is ridcolus (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 14:34 (eight years ago)

It's not embarrassment, it's denial. Incredibly boneheaded denial, but look at who we're talking about here.

jjjusten, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 14:46 (eight years ago)

lol frogbs

nashwan, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 14:50 (eight years ago)

Leader McConnell‏
@SenateMajLdr

Senate Ds have 2 thoughts on how to fix #Obamacare
1. Do nothing
2. A fully gov-run system that would take away even more of their decisions

Ah yes because I had so many decisions under your party's plan, such as...
1) Go broke
2) Die
3) Both https://t.co/Nv5Pb1vzCA

— Scott (@firescotch) September 27, 2017

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 14:51 (eight years ago)

Judge Moore is fond of reading his poetry

https://youtu.be/KWZjhEaSQwM

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 15:03 (eight years ago)

https://hoaxteadresearch.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/hh_vogonpoetry.jpg

Dr Keith Assblow (stevie), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 15:07 (eight years ago)

https://www.wired.com/story/jared-kushner-voter-registration-woman/

"According to the records held by the New York State Board of Elections, Jared Corey Kushner is a woman.

Is Kushner a woman? Did he just accidentally fill out the form incorrectly? Is he the victim of a malicious voter impersonation scheme? Unfortunately, there's absolutely no way to know for sure, because he has yet to provide WIRED with a comment. But based on his recent history with paperwork, option two seems like a pretty safe bet...

"Kushner can't even fill out the most basic paperwork without screwing it up, so it's a mystery why anyone thinks he's somehow going to bring peace to the Middle East," says Brad Bainum, a spokesperson for American Bridge, a liberal opposition research hub and the group that first identified Jared's voter slip-up. "Would anyone but the president's son-in-law still have a West Wing job after repeated disclosure errors and a botched a security clearance form?"

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 15:12 (eight years ago)

Calling it now- Trump will get primaried from the right in 2020, and will probably lose.

(Usual caveats of if an election takes place at all)

The Adventures Of Whiteman (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 15:13 (eight years ago)

what kind of a compass are we using to measure his place on the spectrum?

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 15:16 (eight years ago)

he's a 10 on the Leviticus scale.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 15:21 (eight years ago)

hope the people of Alabama come to their senses and vote for this guy:

http://www.thedougjonesexperience.com/panimage~2.jpg

bodak horseman (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 15:32 (eight years ago)

Tax plan is out!

The framework shrinks the number of tax rates to just three from seven today. The proposed rates are 12%, 25% and 35%. But it will be up to the tax committees to assign income ranges to each rate.

Also, the drop in the top rate to 35% from 39.6% may not stick. The framework gives tax legislators the "flexibility" to add a fourth rate above 35% to ensure reform keeps the tax code at least as progressive as the current system.

If 35% remains the top rate, Democrats will charge that reform is just giving a big tax cut to the wealthy.

And even though the administration says it wants reform to offer middle class tax relief, the framework calls for a 12% bottom rate, which is actually higher than today's lowest rate of 10%. But typical families in the 10% bracket today "are expected to be better off" when all the changes under reform are considered together, the blueprint says.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 15:46 (eight years ago)

it would be a lot simpler to cut taxes on all corporations down to 0 so that they have a ton of money to hire all these people with.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 15:54 (eight years ago)

i feel like they should make a sequel to A Day Without a Mexican and call it A Day Without the Middle Class and just make it 2 hours of CEOs jumping off buildings when they have no more Morlocks to do their bidding

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 15:57 (eight years ago)

in other news

BREAKING: @annette_taddeo has won the special election for the Florida Senate, flipping the seat from red to blue! Congrats, Annette! 1/ pic.twitter.com/xK9aLadYA3

— DLCC (@TheDLCC) September 27, 2017

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 16:00 (eight years ago)

semi-recently, i thought the CW was that tax reform would only be possible if the obamacare repeal passed? they were going to use the savings gained from indirectly killing a bunch of people/taking away their subsidies, and use it to offset the revenues lost from cutting taxes. i guess all of that went out the window? makes sense. republicans don't actually care about deficits, at least not when they're in charge.

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 16:01 (eight years ago)

yeah "possible" only in the sense that it looked slightly better on paper by not blowing a trillion dollar hole in the deficit

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 16:06 (eight years ago)

fwiw I do not actually care about the deficit, personally

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 16:06 (eight years ago)

Taddeo is in the district beside mine and she overwhelmingly won the early vote.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 16:12 (eight years ago)

2000-2008 is proof the GOP dont give a fuck about deficits when theyre in office

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 16:18 (eight years ago)

my care level for the deficit is about 34%. it goes up another percent every year on my birthday.

i guess my concern about the deficit is more of a anticipatory dread of republicans remembering that they can use it to argue for cutting spending, and what would be more fun to cut than our meager safety net?

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 16:19 (eight years ago)

the second daughter his ex-con father never had, solving every problem in the world (except his underwater 666 5th avenue skyscraper)

http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/business-a-lobbying/352654-kushner-registered-to-vote-in-new-york-as-a-female

so glad people didn't want anymore clintons in the white house. she got fooled by bush in 2002, then fooled by putin in 2016. mrga

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 16:22 (eight years ago)

idk, i think there's at least a smidgen of hope that the current composition of the senate GOP has enough people who are actual deficit die-hard freaks (or really get off on standing tall, hand on their heart, shedding a single tear for our precious budget), that this thing runs into the same kind of "losing votes at both ends" problem as the various ACA repeal plans did.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 16:26 (eight years ago)

with Paul, Cruz and Lee in the Senate that is definitely possible

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 16:29 (eight years ago)

Freedom Caucus might be losing it's appetite to challenge Trump idk

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 16:29 (eight years ago)

serious question: what does the "freedom" in freedom caucus refer to? tyranny, but what is the tyranny or who is the tyrant?

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 16:32 (eight years ago)

freedom from regulations and empathy, i thought

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 16:35 (eight years ago)

the government is the tyrant

we are the government

the tyrant is us

j., Wednesday, 27 September 2017 16:37 (eight years ago)

In the 'well of course' file

https://apnews.com/dc0728173537459b9a1e38009dd5c4b5

A leading purveyor of fake news in the 2016 presidential election has died outside Phoenix at the age of 38.

Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Mark Casey said Tuesday authorities discovered Paul Horner dead in his bed on Sept. 18.

Casey said the Maricopa County medical examiner performed an autopsy which showed there were no signs of foul play. He said Horner had a history of prescription drug abuse and that “evidence at the scene suggested this could be an accidental overdose.”

...

In an interview with The Washington Post in 2016, Horner said he thought Trump won the White House because of him. Horner said Trump’s supporters didn’t fact-check his stories before posting them.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 16:39 (eight years ago)

Former Hollywood action star and new Russian citizen Steven Seagal bashed the recent wave of “disgusting” NFL player protests and defended “brilliant” Russian President Vladimir Putin — in a live interview from Moscow with the Kremlin in the background.

“For anyone to think that Vladimir Putin had anything to do with fixing the elections, or even that the Russians have that kind of technology, is stupid,” Seagal told Piers Morgan on ITV’s “Good Morning Britain” Wednesday. “This kind of propaganda is really a diversion.”

Seagal, who accepted Russian citizenship from Putin in 2016, praised the Russian president as “a great world leader” and “brilliant tactician.”

He also bashed American athletes who refuse to stand during the national anthem before games. “I believe in free speech, I believe that everyone’s entitled to their own opinion, but I don’t agree that they should hold the United States of America or the world hostage by taking a venue where people are tuning in to watch a football game and imposing their political views.”

He added, “I think it’s outrageous, I think it’s a joke, it’s disgusting. I respect the American flag. I myself have risked my life countless times for the American flag and I don’t understand or agree with this kind of behavior. I think it’s an outrage.”

The action star also addressed the political situation in the U.S. since Donald Trump became president. “I think that we have a really unfortunate situation in the sense that even though he was democratically elected, there are so many people out there that don’t think that’s the case,” he said “We have a ton of enemies within.”

He said he sympathized with Trump’s plight in trying to achieve his agenda because of “enemies within.”

“We have these Democrats that have this whole other agenda to kind of, when I say Democrats it’s not just the Democrats, but there are this whole group of leftover Obama-ites and people that feel they should overthrow Trump, and any decisions he makes, anything he tries to do, he gets blocked so often from the enemies within, so it’s very difficult for him to do anything.”

Seagal, whose father was Russian, also defended his decision to accept citizenship and move to a nation with a decidedly fraught relationship to the U.S. — and his personal friendship with Putin, whom he said he had met “many times.”

“There are millions and millions of people in America who have dual and multiple citizenship,” Seagal said, with no evidence to back up those numbers. “What makes it controversial is all of the propaganda flying about Russia itself.”

nomar, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 16:40 (eight years ago)

they are literally holding people hostage by kneeling instead of standing during a dumb and boring song to protest unarmed black people getting shot dead by the police.

nomar, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 16:45 (eight years ago)

for the record

Dems have won 8 of the 27 legislative special elections held in GOP-held seats this year. GOP has won none of the 12 held in Dem-held districts.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 16:49 (eight years ago)

Former Hollywood action star

ice cold

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 16:49 (eight years ago)

lol

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 17:00 (eight years ago)

Moscow, AP

Seagal to The Wrap: "Talk to My Ass!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVezEEMXsqo

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 17:01 (eight years ago)

When it occurs to me to notice, it's really weird when Trump supporters employ a moralizing tone and try to instill a sense of shame in those who oppose a world leader who's basically the abstract concept of shameless indecency made flesh.

this is ridcolus (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 17:03 (eight years ago)

Yikes: how it’s playing on Drudge pic.twitter.com/lbggIDBnXW

— Brett LoGiurato (@BrettLoGiurato) September 27, 2017

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 17:03 (eight years ago)

He added, “I think it’s outrageous, I think it’s a joke, it’s disgusting. I respect the American flag. I myself have risked my life countless times for the American flag and I don’t understand or agree with this kind of behavior. I think it’s an outrage.”

Segal has made repeated claims that he was an operator for the CIA and other government agencies including carrying out wet-work and special operations. All of which is pure lies.

-_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 17:04 (eight years ago)

The Freedom Caucus has taken an official position in support of the GOP framework for #TaxReform. Statement coming...

— House Freedom Caucus (@freedomcaucus) September 27, 2017

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 17:05 (eight years ago)

semi-recently, i thought the CW was that tax reform would only be possible if the obamacare repeal passed? they were going to use the savings gained from indirectly killing a bunch of people/taking away their subsidies, and use it to offset the revenues lost from cutting taxes. i guess all of that went out the window? makes sense. republicans don't actually care about deficits, at least not when they're in charge.

― Karl Malone, 27. september 2017 18:01 (fifty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

When they use budget reconciliation, they can't add to the deficit after 10 years. That's why the Bush tax cuts were temporary. So by repealing health care they would get money for cuts.

Frederik B, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 17:08 (eight years ago)

Segal has made repeated claims that he was an operator for the CIA and other government agencies including carrying out wet-work and special operations. All of which is pure lies.

― -_- (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, September 27, 2017 12:04 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Apparently, you've never seen any of his popular '90s documentaries.

this is ridcolus (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 17:10 (eight years ago)

President Donald Trump told reporters Wednesday that he is “not happy” about Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price’s reported use of private planes in office, and left the door open to firing the cabinet secretary.

“I’m not happy with Tom. I’m not happy, and I let him know it,” Trump said. When asked whether he will fire Price, Trump replied, “We’ll see.”

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 17:34 (eight years ago)

interesting perhaps overly rosy take on Alabama but idk, sure let's give Dougie Jones some money:

“I just keep coming back to the number 51 percent. The last time Roy Moore was on the ballot against a Democrat, in 2012, he won 51 percent, on the same ballot as Mitt Romney, who carried the state with 60 percent," said Zac McCrary, a Montgomery-based Democratic pollster.

"So we see Moore as much weaker than any other Alabama Republican, [and] it’s obviously a better political climate for Democrats than last time Moore was on the ballot,” he added.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 17:35 (eight years ago)

but Alabama is more conservative now than in 2012 if that's possible, but TOMBOT knows better than I.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 17:39 (eight years ago)

yeah that's true. If there's anything compelling about throwing money/time Jones' way it's the pleas from the Congressional Black Caucus imo.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 17:42 (eight years ago)

oh by all means let's try

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 17:45 (eight years ago)

Whoa: Via @edatpost, White House is restricting lawmakers from visiting Puerto Rico, U.S.V.I. https://t.co/c2qZi53M1z

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) September 27, 2017

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 18:00 (eight years ago)

what the fuck why

bodak horseman (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 18:11 (eight years ago)

Eh, that's a misleading headline. They just don't want people piling onto military planes. "Limiting lawmakers" might have been a better phrase.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 18:13 (eight years ago)

the White House afraid they may party too hard

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 18:13 (eight years ago)

i didn't get the impression it was actually that big of a deal when I read the article

Neanderthal, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 18:16 (eight years ago)

i'm seeing a couple pols erring on the side of self-promotion in relief efforts (surprise, Cuomo)

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 18:18 (eight years ago)

“I think he just wanted people to just think for themselves and be credible for their actions,” J.J. Horner said. “Read more; get more involved instead of just blindly sharing things.”

And how did that work out, do you think?

Dr Keith Assblow (stevie), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 18:19 (eight years ago)

No one will care but this is one of the most disturbing things Trump's ever said on Twitter pic.twitter.com/w5u84btadS

— Jon Schwarz (@tinyrevolution) September 27, 2017

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 19:04 (eight years ago)

lmao

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 19:10 (eight years ago)

but Alabama is more conservative now than in 2012 if that's possible, but TOMBOT knows better than I.

I haven’t been back to that place in well over a decade, thank god.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 19:17 (eight years ago)

I really enjoyed Charles Pierce's article about Roy Moore and Alabama voters today

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a12484953/who-is-roy-moore/

"I’m out of empathy for this stuff. I’m out of pity. I’m out of patience. And, not for nothing, but Moore’s opponent is a guy named Douglas Jones. In 2001, Jones convicted two men for the bombing of the 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham in 1963, one of the iconic white supremacist terrorist acts of that period. One of those bastards already died in prison and the other keeps getting denied parole. If you’d rather be represented in the Senate by a lawless theocratic lunatic, rather than a guy that finally got justice for four murdered little girls, well, you deserve anything that goddamn happens to you."

Dan S, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 19:26 (eight years ago)

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a12484081/donald-trump-ranks-women-hollywood-tapes/

A Slew of Donald Trump Tapes from Howard Stern's Show Just Resurfaced

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 19:28 (eight years ago)

So some poor reporter had to listen to and transcribe 15 hours of that bullshit?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 19:39 (eight years ago)

More likely they farmed that task out to some poor intern.

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 19:40 (eight years ago)

well finally -- Trump is finished

nomar, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 19:42 (eight years ago)

He'll never get elected now.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 19:44 (eight years ago)

https://factba.se/topic/howard-stern-interviews

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 19:44 (eight years ago)

I honestly have no idea who cares to read about this shit anymore

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 19:48 (eight years ago)

the russians must have to read some of it, just to do a minimum of due diligence when they fuck with us

j., Wednesday, 27 September 2017 20:39 (eight years ago)

The plan — which proposes shrinking the seven individual tax brackets down to three at 12 percent, 25 percent, and 35 percent — is being promoted as a win for the middle class because it will also double the standard deduction for all taxpayers. Critics, though, point out that it raises taxes on the lowest income bracket from 10 percent to 12 percent and lowers taxes for the wealthiest Americans, from 39.6 percent to 35 percent. Trump, though, insisted “it’s not good for me, believe me.”

http://theweek.com/speedreads/727460/trump-announces-tax-reform-plan-by-assuring-crowd-not-good-believe

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 20:59 (eight years ago)

it's the usual horseshit

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 21:03 (eight years ago)

distract average American with a small kickback, shower riches on the uber-rich, kill the poor

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 21:03 (eight years ago)

it's not good for me...it's actually great!!!

frogbs, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 21:14 (eight years ago)

Trump, though, insisted “it’s not good for me, believe me.”

Well, I'm convinced. All aboard!

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 21:16 (eight years ago)

it raises taxes on the lowest income bracket from 10 percent to 12 percent

remember when our "conservative" friends formed the TEA party because they were TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY? you go, GOP

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 21:18 (eight years ago)

But they were all upper-bracketers selling snake oil to the lower class.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 21:45 (eight years ago)

Trump says “we are finally ending the crushing, the horrible, the unfair estate tax, or as it is often referred to, the death tax”

except the inflation-adjusted federal estate tax exemption for decedents in 2016 is $5.45 million

so this is just a giveaway to Trump and his plutocrat cabinet

Dan S, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 22:27 (eight years ago)

Trump and his plutocrat cabinet

Underperforming sequel to Technicolor Dreamcoat

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 22:36 (eight years ago)

what we need in the US is an even more secure aristocratic class, because inequality in this bullshit country isn't obnoxious enough as it is. mrga

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 22:37 (eight years ago)

Finally

http://www.sfgate.com/news/politics/article/California-seeks-more-sway-by-moving-up-12234300.php

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 22:46 (eight years ago)

Of note

Scooplet: Felix Sater says https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/status/91315441291439718550 million tax fraud case agnst him & Bayrock (which listed @realDonaldTrump as a witness) was dismissed today

— Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) September 27, 2017

Insta-assumption appears to be this is confirmation of his having cut a deal.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 22:59 (eight years ago)

Mariotti with a little more context, says it's unclear for now.

1/ Below, @NatashaBertrand of @businessinsider revealed that a civil tax fraud case against Trump associate Felix Sater was dismissed. https://t.co/lS6rymCr6C

— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) September 27, 2017

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 23:00 (eight years ago)

first clickhole i got a chuckle out of in a long time
http://www.clickhole.com/article/absolutely-perfect-san-diego-zoo-just-totally-stuc-6690

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 23:19 (eight years ago)

This is amazing, by which I mean fuck Lindsey Graham forever.

https://theintercept.com/2017/09/27/lindsey-graham-on-obamacare-repeal-i-had-no-idea-what-i-was-doing/

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 23:28 (eight years ago)

"I’ve taken the eye off the ball on terrorism, I’m just amazed the whole planet hasn’t crumbled because I wasn’t on it,” Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., said of the weeks he’s spent leading the health care repeal effort.

thank god he's back on the case

mookieproof, Wednesday, 27 September 2017 23:31 (eight years ago)

Thats not a satirical piece? (I'm asking honestly)

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 23:35 (eight years ago)

Only to the extent that life itself in the year 2017 can be viewed as a satirical piece.

this is ridcolus (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 27 September 2017 23:46 (eight years ago)

Finally

http://www.sfgate.com/news/politics/article/California-seeks-more-sway-by-moving-up-12234300.php

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, September 27, 2017 10:46 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I got excited for this too until I read a story the other day that basically says we've done this 3x before, and everyone else moves their shit to jump ahead because god forbid New Hampshire gives up its privilege to have every single one of its citizens meet every goddamn last candidate for president.

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 28 September 2017 00:11 (eight years ago)

Just have all the primaries at the same time imo

Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 September 2017 00:52 (eight years ago)

The crash-course in health policy has been a romp, Graham said. “I’ve enjoyed this more than anything.

brimstead, Thursday, 28 September 2017 00:57 (eight years ago)

glad he enjoyed his "learning experience"

Neanderthal, Thursday, 28 September 2017 02:40 (eight years ago)

single national primary just gives it to the candidate with the highest name recognition out the gate. also no national campaigning, no real way to confirm that this person is clicking with people at all... etc.

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 28 September 2017 02:42 (eight years ago)

Trump claims he'll need to wait a few months to get the votes for Graham/Cassidy bill.

is he not aware of budg reconcil process or

Neanderthal, Thursday, 28 September 2017 14:16 (eight years ago)

well he's gotta wait for that guy to get out of the hospital

frogbs, Thursday, 28 September 2017 14:20 (eight years ago)

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/352822-sanders-jones-act-has-been-lifted

but....

The Trump administration is forcing Americans seeking evacuation from Puerto Rico to sign promissory notes ensuring full repayment for transportation costs, and is keeping evacuees’ passports as collateral, according to a new report.

Market Watch reported on Thursday that the State Department is using longstanding but discretionary policy to ensure that evacuees are shouldered with the transportation costs, which according to the website are based off of “the price of the last commercial one-way, full-fare (not discounted) economy ticket prior to the crisis.”

Evacuees who surrender their passports under this system don’t see them returned until payment is received. “Upon evacuation, a Department of State official must limit an evacuee’s passport. In order to obtain a new passport, an evacuee must arrange payment as agreed upon via the promissory note,” the State Department’s website reads.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/mark-cuban-pitbull-step-up-but-trump-administration-making-puerto-rico-evacuees-pay-2017-09-27

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 28 September 2017 14:20 (eight years ago)

I will gladly house and sponsor any Puerto Rican family that wants to stay here, establish Ohio residency and vote this fuckstain out in 2020. I'll do it on a rolling basis to get as many voters as possible registered.

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Thursday, 28 September 2017 14:23 (eight years ago)

I bet 90% of those passports will expire in the State Department lock box. These shitbirds

El Tomboto, Thursday, 28 September 2017 14:24 (eight years ago)

meanwhile, we can't regulate the carbon industry / switch to natural renewables . . . because that's too expensive! LOL USA

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 28 September 2017 14:32 (eight years ago)

Pitbull, a self-proclaimed entertainer and entrepreneur

cmon at least give the man that

j., Thursday, 28 September 2017 14:35 (eight years ago)

what the living fuck

this can't be true about repayments, it's too crazy

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 28 September 2017 14:36 (eight years ago)

ok i just realized what i wrote and lol @ me but still man

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 28 September 2017 14:36 (eight years ago)

Where are most of the tax-paying US citizens of Puerto Rico being evacuated to? I was just wondering what impact passport confiscation has to people who can enter US mainland without them...not that this is relevant to the point of how reprehensible this policy is and that there's probably no other reason for it beyond 'we just want victims to pay for their own rescue and recuperation'.

nashwan, Thursday, 28 September 2017 14:43 (eight years ago)

Well, they'll never learn otherwise.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 28 September 2017 14:44 (eight years ago)

Standard procedure, of course. I’m sure they collected passports in Texas and Florida as well.

by the light of the burning Citroën, Thursday, 28 September 2017 14:48 (eight years ago)

the point was brought up i think by the Mayor of PR that there are a lot of people there expecting Social security direct deposits at the first of the month but with no electronic banking available they will have no access to this money.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 28 September 2017 14:52 (eight years ago)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DK0aFz1UQAAizob.jpg:small

mookieproof, Thursday, 28 September 2017 14:53 (eight years ago)

the point was brought up i think by the Mayor of PR that there are a lot of people there expecting Social security direct deposits at the first of the month but with no electronic banking available they will have no access to this money.

― (•̪●) (carne asada),

This was my question. Why the hell would they need a passport? Hell, many Puerto Ricans, like millions of Americans on this continent, don't have passports.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 28 September 2017 15:00 (eight years ago)

but they are mostly brown people so you must be extra cautious letting them just wonder around willy nilly

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 28 September 2017 15:06 (eight years ago)

wander not wonder*

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 28 September 2017 15:06 (eight years ago)

You can take a commercial airplane flight from Puerto Rico to anywhere in the US without a passport.

But if there aren't commercial airplane flights - and there aren't - then you need to get on a government plane, probably a military one. It is at that point that they need to do the bit with the promissory note and the passport.

stop the mandolinsanity (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 28 September 2017 15:07 (eight years ago)

It seems to me there would be relatively little impediment to just going to PR in boats, picking people up and then dropping them off someplace in Florida.

Hmmm. If only there were such a thing as enormously large and extraordinarily capacious passenger ships located near the Caribbean....

stop the mandolinsanity (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 28 September 2017 15:10 (eight years ago)

I saw that Royal Caribbean is sending some boats

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 28 September 2017 15:26 (eight years ago)

Have we discussed this?

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 28 September 2017 15:28 (eight years ago)

Meanwhile...honesty!

Graham, though, said he was not alone in his lack of understanding of health care. “Nobody in our conference believes Obamacare works. It must be replaced. But until now, we didn’t know how to do it,” Graham told reporters in the Capitol on Tuesday, audio of which is posted below.

A reporter pointed out that such ignorance at this late stage is hard to understand. “You’ve been working to overhaul this for seven years. Why is this so hard?” she asked.

“Well, I’ve been doing it for about a month. I thought everybody else knew what the hell they were talking about, but apparently not,” Graham clarified, adding he had assumed “these really smart people will figure it out.”

The crash course in health policy has been a romp, Graham said. “I’ve enjoyed this more than anything. I’ve learned so much about health care in other states — Pennsylvania, Alaska, Ohio,” he said, adding that he even learned about his own state. “South Carolina, we have 11 predominantly African-American counties that have unique health care needs and one size doesn’t fit all, even within your state. I looked at the history of welfare reform, and I think we can replicate that here.”

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 28 September 2017 15:45 (eight years ago)

oh man if she gets that passed I will hear no ill spoken of her. Right to Work is a fucking catastrophe.

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 28 September 2017 15:46 (eight years ago)

“So, this idea came about from a conversation at a barber shop,” Graham said. “Rick Santorum — I was getting my hair cut and he says, you know, you’ve got an opt-out bill — opt out of Obamacare if you don’t like it, take the money and do state-controlled systems. Why don’t you do what we did with welfare reform in ’96, which is basically take the same amount of money and block grant it?”

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 28 September 2017 15:46 (eight years ago)

oh man if she gets that passed I will hear no ill spoken of her. Right to Work is a fucking catastrophe.

yeah see this is definitely a good move but I will still speak *some* ill of her for voting to bolster Trump's war chest

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 28 September 2017 15:50 (eight years ago)

countdown to "IT'S NOT THE FINAL BILL" tirade in 3, 2, 1...

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 28 September 2017 16:04 (eight years ago)

why isn't grover norquist (tax pledge!) screaming at the republicans right now for proposing a tax hike? (i mean, i know why not, but i'm curious what his BS excuse would be)

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 28 September 2017 16:07 (eight years ago)

tax breaks for vaping?

Dr Keith Assblow (stevie), Thursday, 28 September 2017 16:31 (eight years ago)

“Well, I’ve been doing it for about a month. I thought everybody else knew what the hell they were talking about, but apparently not,” Graham clarified, adding he had assumed “these really smart people will figure it out.”

we're fucking doomed

nomar, Thursday, 28 September 2017 16:34 (eight years ago)

https://localtvwtkr.files.wordpress.com/2016/01/graham.gif?w=770

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 28 September 2017 16:38 (eight years ago)

Trump just said 6 times that Graham-Cassidy failed because “there was a senator in the hospital.”
There are no senators in the hospital. pic.twitter.com/pepKaUhd9n

— Christina Wilkie (@christinawilkie) September 27, 2017

we're fucking doomed

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 28 September 2017 17:02 (eight years ago)

Senator in the hospital is just an euphemism, like I'm hiking the Appalachian Trail, or I need to drop the kids off at the pool.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 28 September 2017 17:05 (eight years ago)

Front page of every newspaper every day for the rest of his term should just be "THINGS TRUMP LIED ABOUT TODAY" with an up to the minute list as of press time

i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 28 September 2017 17:08 (eight years ago)

senator in the hospital, I know, I know it's serious

I Love You, Fancybear (symsymsym), Thursday, 28 September 2017 17:08 (eight years ago)

In lighter news

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKx2V06W0AA5T-7.jpg:large

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Thursday, 28 September 2017 17:11 (eight years ago)

someone on twitter theorized that trump watches so much tv he thinks charles krauthammer is a senator, and krauthammer *is* in the hospital

mookieproof, Thursday, 28 September 2017 17:23 (eight years ago)

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2017/9/28/16378854/mark-walker-deficit

“It’s a great talking point when you have an administration that’s Democrat-led,” said Representative Mark Walker, Republican of North Carolina and the chairman of the Republican Study Committee, a group of about 150 conservative House members. “It’s a little different now that Republicans have both houses and the administration.”

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 28 September 2017 17:27 (eight years ago)

krauthammer *is* in the hospital

finally some good news

Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 September 2017 17:29 (eight years ago)

someone should test him and ask him to say a few words about Governor Hefner's recent passing

nomar, Thursday, 28 September 2017 17:35 (eight years ago)

“Literally, if they can’t do this, they can’t do anything,” said Tim Pawlenty, the former Republican governor of Minnesota and head of the Financial Services Roundtable, a bank lobbying group. Trump is a constructive force in the effort, Pawlenty said, “if he can stay focused and stay on message.”

Isn't Trump a singularly awful messenger here? Like lets make one of the most hated men in the country as a test case to show how egregiously he himself benefits in this tax plan where everyone else eats shit..? I guess it helps that all he does is lie all the fucking time. That helps.

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 28 September 2017 17:35 (eight years ago)

article that quote is from - https://apnews.com/bb2d94c5dbf94c75ac5a247bf6082597

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 28 September 2017 17:35 (eight years ago)

It's increasingly clear that Trump (and rationalizing Trump) corrupts. It's also clear conservatism was ready and willing to be corrupted.

— Bill Kristol (@BillKristol) September 28, 2017

Wasn't this already clear when it invaded & destroyed a country of 26 million based on your lies, & instituted a worldwide torture regime? https://t.co/QA3Pdd739i

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) September 28, 2017

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 28 September 2017 18:37 (eight years ago)

Kristol should tweet back "Delete your account"

President Keyes, Thursday, 28 September 2017 18:38 (eight years ago)

"Thanks for the well-wishes," tweeted Sen. Thad Cochran of Mississippi. "I'm not hospitalized, but am recuperating at home in Mississippi and look forward to returning to work soon."

curmudgeon, Thursday, 28 September 2017 19:18 (eight years ago)

Greenwald otm Kristol should be shot for war crimes imo

Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 September 2017 19:21 (eight years ago)

It's hard to imagine any Republicans voting for Warren's right-to-work ban, and if anything I wouldn't be shocked to see some conservative Dems like Manchin oppose it. I'm not basing that on any actual research though, just my own cynicism.

evol j, Thursday, 28 September 2017 20:14 (eight years ago)

yeah that will never pass

Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 September 2017 20:15 (eight years ago)

@ddiamond
BREAKING — Tom Price to permanently halt charter travel at HHS, says he’ll pay gov’t back for all travel on private jets. ($400,000-plus.)

mookieproof, Thursday, 28 September 2017 20:16 (eight years ago)

it's crazy how easily Trump can be manipulated by the media

Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 September 2017 20:19 (eight years ago)

yeah but government work pays so little!

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 28 September 2017 20:24 (eight years ago)

ok price is down - now about everyone else in the cabinet..

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 28 September 2017 20:25 (eight years ago)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DK1neuLUIAAgw-g.jpg:small

o shit it's on now

mookieproof, Thursday, 28 September 2017 20:28 (eight years ago)

"now I'll call him Gay Rocket Man"

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 28 September 2017 20:30 (eight years ago)

Tiny Rocket Man

Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 September 2017 20:32 (eight years ago)

gonna call him 'jimmy the rocket boy'

akm, Thursday, 28 September 2017 20:40 (eight years ago)

Kimmy the Rocket Boy

Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 September 2017 20:44 (eight years ago)

Li'l Kimmy

Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 September 2017 20:44 (eight years ago)

http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Cards/Football/73730/73730-1Fr.jpg

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 28 September 2017 20:46 (eight years ago)

we all needed some light entertainment today

Megyn Kelly's camera man stepped into the frame and then said "shit." pic.twitter.com/zh5vaFPQGl

— Kate Aurthur (@KateAurthur) September 28, 2017

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 28 September 2017 20:47 (eight years ago)

what were the earthlings talking about in the days before the last human war in the year that they knew as 2017

new earthdust analysis shows that references to the phrase "the little rocket boy" suddenly jumped

Karl Malone, Thursday, 28 September 2017 20:47 (eight years ago)

Pocket Rocket man

henry s, Thursday, 28 September 2017 20:58 (eight years ago)

On Tuesday, Trump told a handful of Republicans and Democrats in a White House meeting that he was now opposed to public-private partnerships for infrastructure programs. He cited the example of a toll road in northern Indiana that fell into bankruptcy.

“He dismissed it categorically and said it doesn’t work,” said Rep. Brian Higgins (D-N.Y.), who brought up the issue with Trump at the White House. “And in fact, pointed to [Vice President Pence] and said they tried in their state and it didn’t work.”

Senior administration officials were flabbergasted. They had spent months designing a $1 trillion infrastructure plan that centered on the idea of privatizing roads, air traffic control systems and other networks. On Wednesday, they were still trying to sort through whether Trump had misspoken or changed policy.

lol

Οὖτις, Thursday, 28 September 2017 21:23 (eight years ago)

Highway Man

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 28 September 2017 21:26 (eight years ago)

“Well, I’ve been doing it for about a month. I thought everybody else knew what the hell they were talking about, but apparently not,” Graham clarified, adding he had assumed “these really smart people will figure it out.”

BRAWNDO! IT'S WHAT PLANTS CRAVE!

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 28 September 2017 21:27 (eight years ago)

Would be pretty helpful if no one in media asked Trump (or reported on anything he says) re: North Korea.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 28 September 2017 21:39 (eight years ago)

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.3527937.1506619167!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/empire29n-1-web.jpg

LOS ANGELES — A sketch of the Empire State Building drawn by President Donald Trump is going up for bid at a Los Angeles auction house.

Julien’s Auctions says the 12-inch-by-9-inch black marker depiction of the iconic New York City skyscraper was created by Trump for a charity auction in Florida during the time he opened his Mar-a-Lago estate as a private club in 1995.

Julien’s says the piece signed byTrump went for less than $100 the first time it was sold and is now estimated at $8,000 to $12,000.

The auction house says a portion of the proceeds of any sale will benefit National Public Radio. The artwork is part of Julien’s Street, Contemporary & Celebrity Art auction, which takes place in L.A. and online on Oct. 19.

nomar, Thursday, 28 September 2017 23:10 (eight years ago)

what a shitty drawing

Karl Malone, Thursday, 28 September 2017 23:37 (eight years ago)

demonstrably not the esb

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 28 September 2017 23:43 (eight years ago)

turns out trump has never looked up in 70 years of living in nyc

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 28 September 2017 23:46 (eight years ago)

When I was in first grade I did a bit of an independent art project, watercoloring seashells and drawing images of Manhattan skyscrapers on them. I don't think I'll put a strain on your confidence if I maintain my 6-yo's rendition of the ESB left Yam's in the muck.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 28 September 2017 23:58 (eight years ago)

This is a man who iirc was obsessed with acquiring the ESB

nomar, Friday, 29 September 2017 00:04 (eight years ago)

lol at his signature being indistinguishable from the random squiggles that symbolize...the sky...or something?

bodak horseman (voodoo chili), Friday, 29 September 2017 00:16 (eight years ago)

And very reminiscent of his hair, oddly enough.

Fetchboy, Friday, 29 September 2017 00:18 (eight years ago)

to be fair it could be worse

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/4ffaec2e6bb3f75125000004/rick-perry-signature.png

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 29 September 2017 00:23 (eight years ago)

how did these toads come to be our "representatives"

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 29 September 2017 00:25 (eight years ago)

Democracy doesn't work

ein Sexmonster (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 29 September 2017 00:37 (eight years ago)

kinda like rick's signature.. a lil upbeat, not a tortured mess like my script

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 29 September 2017 00:43 (eight years ago)

https://lidafilmmaker.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/bartonfink2.jpg

nomar, Friday, 29 September 2017 00:46 (eight years ago)

"He dismissed it categorically and said it doesn’t work,"

Trump is being OTM at least once a week now, the presidency does mature you

shackling the masses with plastic-wrapped snack picks (sic), Friday, 29 September 2017 01:54 (eight years ago)

Earlier I tried so hard to make a lol comparison of Esb drawring to Vienna opera house and how that's some falling standards but decided my kid is right, I'm never funny.

felix! phelix! ghelix! (Hunt3r), Friday, 29 September 2017 02:58 (eight years ago)

https://i.imgur.com/A4pRiOt.jpg

attention vampire (MatthewK), Friday, 29 September 2017 03:04 (eight years ago)

(re: Perry sig xxxp)

attention vampire (MatthewK), Friday, 29 September 2017 03:04 (eight years ago)

I wonder why he has an ascender at the end of his signature. What part of "Trump" has an ascender at the end? Is he signing himself "Drumpf"?

koogs, Friday, 29 September 2017 06:04 (eight years ago)

Perry's signature looks like the signature of a cartoonist attached to the logo of the sunday version of his daily comic strip

Dr Keith Assblow (stevie), Friday, 29 September 2017 06:36 (eight years ago)

LOL

Gunpowder Julius (Ward Fowler), Friday, 29 September 2017 07:40 (eight years ago)

Are there the same amount of up and down strokes in the Donald's signature as there are in his name?
& is there a d and a T separately?

Looks like a random squiggle that he thought nobody would ever look at.
So can he write joined up or just thumb keypad?

Stevolende, Friday, 29 September 2017 07:52 (eight years ago)

no need to sneer stevo you're describing me there

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 29 September 2017 08:57 (eight years ago)

it looks like russian cursive

assawoman bay (harbl), Friday, 29 September 2017 10:53 (eight years ago)

lol Rick Perry's signature reminds me of the Bob Evans or Betty Crocker logo or something like that that i can't quite put my finger on

circa1916, Friday, 29 September 2017 12:50 (eight years ago)

https://i.pinimg.com/avatars/pinterest_1475538227_280.jpg

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 29 September 2017 12:53 (eight years ago)

Doesn't look as much like it as my mind associated Perry's 'P' w/ the Pinterest one.

Le Bateau Ivre, Friday, 29 September 2017 12:54 (eight years ago)

rick perry's mix of upper and lower case is infuriating

Mr. Eulon Mask, urging the UN to ban the "homicide robot" (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 29 September 2017 13:04 (eight years ago)

bizarro:

https://a.dilcdn.com/bl/wp-content/uploads/sites/8/2013/12/walt-disney-logo-20121-624x211.jpg

stop the mandolinsanity (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 29 September 2017 13:54 (eight years ago)

Robin Williams' joke was that Reagan was Disney's dying wish: "Make a president!"

Trump:Barnum

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 September 2017 14:45 (eight years ago)

http://i1.wp.com/files.polldaddy.com/fdcec1f68366456d77aef1840173ff2a-53da707b958f1.jpg

Brad C., Friday, 29 September 2017 14:56 (eight years ago)

http://www.npr.org/2016/05/10/477041094/the-empire-state-building-and-the-art-of-trumps-deal

Over the years, Yokoi had been rapidly buying up showcase properties in Europe and the U.S., among them the landmark art deco Empire State Building, says Hannigan, who was involved in the litigation over the building. Yokoi's interests in the building were controlled by Nakahara.

But Yokoi made surprisingly little money out of the building. Previous owners had signed a very long-term lease with a firm controlled by two of New York's most powerful real estate barons, Harry Helmsley and Lawrence Wien. Meeting with Nakahara, who knew little about Manhattan real estate, Trump proposed a time-honored New York strategy: the two of them would go to court to try to break the lease.

According to Peter Slatin, a hotel consultant and former journalist who covered New York real estate for publications such as Barron's and The Wall Street Journal, Trump essentially told Nakahara, "What if we got rid of [the owners] and we take over the building? And you don't have to do anything. I'm going to do all the work. I'm going to do all the heavy lifting."

Nakahara, who'd later do prison time herself, decided that Trump, with his considerable experience in the city's real estate industry, might be able to pull off what he proposed.

maura, Friday, 29 September 2017 15:08 (eight years ago)

("He wasn't.")

maura, Friday, 29 September 2017 15:09 (eight years ago)

1- I received a DM from a vetted source who wishes to remain anonymous.
S/he was on a conference call with FEMA on Monday, September 25.

— Holly O'Reilly (@AynRandPaulRyan) September 28, 2017

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Friday, 29 September 2017 15:24 (eight years ago)

^^Worth reading

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Friday, 29 September 2017 15:25 (eight years ago)

can you cut and paste it? i have no idea why she has me blocked, but she does :\

maura, Friday, 29 September 2017 15:26 (eight years ago)

1- I received a DM from a vetted source who wishes to remain anonymous.
S/he was on a conference call with FEMA on Monday, September 25.

2- This is 5 days after Hurricane Maria hit Puerto Rico. Others on the call:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DK0lI3YUIAE7P9R.jpg

3- "Then, after every department reported their activities and projections,
it was time for the White House to issue their report."

4- WH answer?

No report, no activity.

Nothing planned for Puerto Rico.

"We were all stunned", this source said.

5 - Meaning until Monday the 25th, (nearly a WEEK after Hurricane Maria made landfall), the WH had no plans to make any moves in PR…

6- ...while DoD, FEMA, all government agencies and non-government agencies were ready to go or had already started activities on the ground.

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Friday, 29 September 2017 15:38 (eight years ago)

Deep State once again undermining our fearless leader!

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 September 2017 15:45 (eight years ago)

(FWIW, I once worked for a man who actually had bought, and owned, the Empire State Building. He was a ruthless cocksucker but much, much smarter than Trump.)

cornballio (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 29 September 2017 16:09 (eight years ago)

final tweet in that string...

7- This is worse than Katrina.
Bush was inept and unprepared.

Trump just does not give a fuck about brown people.
Period.

Dan S, Friday, 29 September 2017 16:16 (eight years ago)

I think once death tolls start rolling in from PR it's gonna get really fucking ugly

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 September 2017 16:17 (eight years ago)

This was glorious.

MSNBC cuts from Trump's speech on #TaxReform to remind viewers he's a complete hypocrite. pic.twitter.com/mczuH9vXqT

— Lis Power (@LisPower1) September 29, 2017

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Friday, 29 September 2017 16:18 (eight years ago)

Trump on Puerto Rico: "This is an island surrounded by water. Big water. Ocean water."

— Ken Thomas (@KThomasDC) September 29, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 29 September 2017 16:24 (eight years ago)

he's right!

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 September 2017 16:27 (eight years ago)

As for the tweet storm above, I tend to be suspicious of anonymous guvmint sources, but I can believe this shit.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 September 2017 16:27 (eight years ago)

they're going to push this tax cut through the Senate with a bare majority/reconciliation: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/29/senate-budget-resolution-released-243300

I can't imagine there are three GOP senators that will oppose this

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 September 2017 16:40 (eight years ago)

Islands surrounded by vodka are far more accessible. See also: islands surrounded by Jell-O.

cornballio (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 29 September 2017 16:47 (eight years ago)

Is this the Fyrefest thread

felix! phelix! ghelix! (Hunt3r), Friday, 29 September 2017 16:47 (eight years ago)

Good mild news: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/28/alexander-murray-obamacare-plan-243258

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 September 2017 16:47 (eight years ago)

and there's Murkowski's vote guaranteed:

The Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee will also receive instructions to submit legislation under the special “reconciliation” process, allowing it to be wrapped into the tax bill. The draft resolution will ask that committee to identify at least $1 billion in deficit savings. That is widely seen as a pathway to open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil and gas drilling — a key priority for the panel’s chairman, Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska).

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 September 2017 17:21 (eight years ago)

and with the Freedom Caucus already broadly supportive of the tax proposal in the House, there's not gonna be any budget hawk opposition from them either.

I don't currently see a path to stopping this bill tbh

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 September 2017 17:22 (eight years ago)

I wouldn't go that far. In that something will pass, almost assuredly (it's their 'SEE WE DID SOMETHING' claim for next year's campaigns). In its generally inchaote form at present? Not so much.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 29 September 2017 17:24 (eight years ago)

where would these GOP "No" votes come from

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 September 2017 17:29 (eight years ago)

(granted there's no actual bill yet but in some ways to my mind the *better* the bill is - ie, the less slanted towards the rich - the worse it is overall to the country, since it will solidify the GOP's grip on power, give Trump an accomplishment etc.)

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 September 2017 17:30 (eight years ago)

The Senate, who knows, but there's already a lot of rumbling in the House from various GOP types in blue states that would be affected going "Uh, THE HELL." McCarthy's trying to provide cover but nah. Whatever happens, we'll see.

Meantime...of interest:

Lastly, the #ALSen horserace.
Opinion Savvy/ DDHQ poll:
Roy Moore 50.2%
Doug Jones 44.5%
Full details: https://t.co/YNV1EGw71h

— Decision Desk HQ (@DecisionDeskHQ) September 29, 2017

Comment elsewhere: "Jones “only” pulling 71% of the black vote. Pull that up and he’s got a shot"

Ned Raggett, Friday, 29 September 2017 17:42 (eight years ago)

Agree with Οὖτις but I don't know how to mobilize widespread bipartisan opposition to this.

If I thought it would help, I would gladly fund huge billboards that just said DON'T GIVE THESE CHICKENFUCKERS A VICTORY

cornballio (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 29 September 2017 17:44 (eight years ago)

this is an amazing quote that sounds like trump himself

Surya Maroju, Bellows Spring: I think in the future a lot of people will study this because it’s really popular, everyone’s talking about it, really. It’s the most famous election I’ve ever seen.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/lifestyle/magazine/third-graders/?utm_term=.f1affef39f56

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 29 September 2017 18:13 (eight years ago)

wow I did not expect Jones to already be w/in 6 points, that's crazy

xp

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 September 2017 18:14 (eight years ago)

onionmanonthestreet.jpg

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Friday, 29 September 2017 18:15 (eight years ago)

wtf kind of wording is "the most famous election I've ever seen"

flappy bird, Friday, 29 September 2017 18:30 (eight years ago)

1 in 4 households see a tax increase, biggest gains go to top 1%

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 September 2017 18:32 (eight years ago)

nearly 30 percent of taxpayers with incomes between $50,000 and $150,000 would see a tax increase

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 September 2017 18:33 (eight years ago)

nearly 30 percent of taxpayers with incomes between $50,000 and $150,000 would see a tax increase, according to the study by the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center.

That's bad!

The majority of households that made between $150,000 and $300,000 would see a tax increase.

That's good!

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Friday, 29 September 2017 18:35 (eight years ago)

Oh, it's totally passing, then.

We probably have a long way to go until we truly hit that bottom which spurs deep reflection (and at which point we won't be able to do a damn thing to reverse course).

this is ridcolus (Old Lunch), Friday, 29 September 2017 18:37 (eight years ago)

Charles Pierce: "I knew it was a mistake to laugh at Dan Quayle. We were just tempting the gods."

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 September 2017 18:44 (eight years ago)

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_large/6/67663/5961721-01.jpg

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Friday, 29 September 2017 18:46 (eight years ago)

They will probably get tax cuts passed. Raise taxes back up as soon as you get the chance (call it 'reversal of Trump tax give aways to the rich' and it include it in the funding plan for single payer). The great news is that they're giving up on Obamacare repeal if they bass this reconciliation.

Frederik B, Friday, 29 September 2017 18:56 (eight years ago)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DK6nIdhV4AAuP-y.jpg

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Friday, 29 September 2017 19:45 (eight years ago)

another issue with the tax plan is that it penalizes states with high state and local taxes (blue states predominantly) - especially California - by eliminating the deduction for state taxes paid

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-trump-tax-california-20170927-story.html

Dan S, Friday, 29 September 2017 19:45 (eight years ago)

"Tax code is too complex! You wouldn't believe how many Jews I have to pay so I don't have to pay any!"

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 29 September 2017 19:53 (eight years ago)

GROVER NORQUIST WHERE ARE YOU ALL THOSE POLITICIANS SIGNED YOUR PLEDGE NOT TO RAISE TAXES

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 29 September 2017 20:18 (eight years ago)

price out

marcos, Friday, 29 September 2017 20:38 (eight years ago)

White House says Sec. Price has resigned, effective at 11:5 pic.twitter.com/6mTiJ1Ltqm

— Jennifer Epstein (@jeneps) September 29, 2017

marcos, Friday, 29 September 2017 20:38 (eight years ago)

Price is gone. Per WH "The President intends to designate Don J. Wright of Virginia to serve as Acting Secretary, effective at 11:59"

— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) September 29, 2017

marcos, Friday, 29 September 2017 20:39 (eight years ago)

if ur gonna grift at least grift some shit u can take with you (i am sure he grifted things he is taking with him)

ein Sexmonster (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 29 September 2017 20:39 (eight years ago)

i don't know who that wright dude is. some asshole prob?

marcos, Friday, 29 September 2017 20:40 (eight years ago)

anyways im sure he'll be replaced with some asshole but price was a piece of shit and im glad hes gone

marcos, Friday, 29 September 2017 20:40 (eight years ago)

NO MORE MISTER PRICE FLY https://t.co/yHL6ArRhLE

— Ariel Edwards-Levy (@aedwardslevy) September 28, 2017

Monster fatberg (Phil D.), Friday, 29 September 2017 20:41 (eight years ago)

never a dull Friday

dipshit musical chairs

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 September 2017 20:43 (eight years ago)

yup

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 September 2017 20:47 (eight years ago)

I'm sure Trump thinks this is a genius stroke - firing the guy that was no help getting OCare repealed/replaced and has garnered him bad press, but doesn't require any real change in policy or hiring practices or general fucked up-ness

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 September 2017 20:49 (eight years ago)

and in place is a deputy undersecretary of colonscopy as acting secretary

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 September 2017 20:52 (eight years ago)

well Trump did promise to drain the swamp...

nomar, Friday, 29 September 2017 20:57 (eight years ago)

Cohn and/or Mnunchin is next, depending on how much a clusterfuck this tax bill becomes

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 September 2017 20:59 (eight years ago)

Hugh Hewitt on replacing Price: "It better be Bobby Jindal time."

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 September 2017 21:09 (eight years ago)

lol

marcos, Friday, 29 September 2017 21:14 (eight years ago)

More proof of Trump 10-D chess, fire Price and he'll never be able to answer democrats' letter about Obamacare

Hill Democrats Demand Answers From Trump Admin On Obamacare ‘Sabotage’ https://t.co/2YMUz8Txrf via @TPM

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) September 29, 2017

Moodles, Friday, 29 September 2017 21:15 (eight years ago)

All right STOP. Jindal time.

cornballio (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 29 September 2017 21:20 (eight years ago)

IT'S JINDAL TIME

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 September 2017 21:21 (eight years ago)

JINDAL UNCHAINED

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 29 September 2017 21:28 (eight years ago)

Jindal All the Way

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Friday, 29 September 2017 21:29 (eight years ago)

JINDALOGY

Οὖτις, Friday, 29 September 2017 21:33 (eight years ago)

PEANUT BUTTER JINDAL TIME

Marcus Hiles Remains Steadfast About Planting Trees.jpg (DJP), Friday, 29 September 2017 21:39 (eight years ago)

Yates, Flynn, Walsh, Comey, Dubke, Shaub, Corralo, Spicer, Short, Priebus, THE MOOCH, and Bannon all have recent experience in government

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 29 September 2017 21:39 (eight years ago)

Don't forget THRILLARY!

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 29 September 2017 21:40 (eight years ago)

Rick Scott just happened to be at the White House today supposedly updating Trump on Irma recovery in Florida, but let's see if he's not the next HHS nominee.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Friday, 29 September 2017 21:44 (eight years ago)

well, he's responsible for the largest Medicare scam in American history, so he's qualified.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 September 2017 21:45 (eight years ago)

Scott wants to run for Senate next year.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 September 2017 21:46 (eight years ago)

I know his poll numbers were in the toilet when I left FL in 2011, but he's won a second term since then, so I have no idea what his chances look like in a senate race. Is John Morgan still toying with the idea of running as a Dem for Governor?

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Friday, 29 September 2017 21:57 (eight years ago)

The problem is that Bill Nelson looks like Mumm-Ra and is not on anyone's list of engaged, progressive senators.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 September 2017 22:01 (eight years ago)

LOL @ GOP

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/national-gop-groups-spent-81000-to-defend-tom-price-house-seat-for-every-day-in-cabinet

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 29 September 2017 22:22 (eight years ago)

Minor issues

NSA warned White House against using personal email https://t.co/Evl8Ab3GN7 pic.twitter.com/KRAL9A5UXl

— POLITICO (@politico) September 29, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 29 September 2017 23:40 (eight years ago)

Officials Feared White House Counsel Would Quit Over Donald Trump-Jared Kushner Meetingshttps://t.co/7J2XAL6orv

— Brandt (@UrbanAchievr) September 29, 2017

Ned Raggett, Friday, 29 September 2017 23:40 (eight years ago)

"feared"

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 30 September 2017 01:14 (eight years ago)

So who should i donate to re: puerto rico

Οὖτις, Saturday, 30 September 2017 01:52 (eight years ago)

I'm not sure if Mercy Corps has plans to go into PR, since it is a US 'possession' and therefore should be well taken care of by the richest nation on earth (right), but if they are helping out in PR, they seem to be among the better disaster relief NGOs. Certainly not as brainless as Red Cross has proved to be in the past few decades.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 30 September 2017 02:00 (eight years ago)

Yeah they are not operating in PR

Οὖτις, Saturday, 30 September 2017 02:15 (eight years ago)

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/29/politics/elaine-duke-explains-good-news-story/index.html

"The end of my statement about good news," Duke said, "was it was good news that the people of Puerto Rico, the many public servants of the US and the government of Puerto Rico are working together and I do believe that that is the way -- part of the way -- we believe, and it's nice to see the communities together trying to recover and support each other."
Duke was speaking to reporters on the tarmac in San Juan before boarding a helicopter for an aerial look at the devastation. After the tour, she was set to hold a meeting with the governor of Puerto Rico and officials.
Traveling with Duke were TSA Administrator David Pekoske, FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb, Semonite, Coast Guard VADM Karl Schultz, DHS infrastructure official Christopher Krebs, and Puerto Rico Resident Commissioner Jenniffer Gonzalez-Colon.

El Tomboto, Saturday, 30 September 2017 02:31 (eight years ago)

ime people who have been mostly "back office" management over their career may never be great in front of camera, but she's no Heckuva Job Brownie

El Tomboto, Saturday, 30 September 2017 02:34 (eight years ago)

I impugn no poster when I write that at this moment I want to see no glib posts about PR.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 30 September 2017 02:36 (eight years ago)

If I came across as glib then I apologize. It is immensely fucked up.

From my perspective, the agencies that are normally tasked with dealing with this are mostly really trying to do their job properly, and many of the officials who should be helping to lead such efforts aren't political, and are currently hamstrung by the utter apathy emanating from you guessed it

El Tomboto, Saturday, 30 September 2017 02:43 (eight years ago)

Well taken Alfred.

the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Saturday, 30 September 2017 02:45 (eight years ago)

I have been told that http://unidosporpuertorico.com/en/ is a good place to give

El Tomboto, Saturday, 30 September 2017 02:53 (eight years ago)

(via a couple of degrees of separation from the governor's wife)

El Tomboto, Saturday, 30 September 2017 03:43 (eight years ago)

Btw, wtf is going on in Cuba? Pulling diplomatic staff out, as extreme as it scans, seems ... prudent. 21 staff members sonically attacked by a totally mysterious invisible weapon by an as yet not identified for? That's weird and scary on so many levels. We don't know who. We don't know what. We don't know how. But we know whatever went down it seriously and maybe permanently injured their hearing. What's up with that?

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 30 September 2017 03:52 (eight years ago)

if you want to know my totally wacky opinion it's fucking russians down the street who don't like the idea of normalized diplomatic relations between the US and Cuba, and the only reason this old Cold War witch doctor shit even works is because our embassy compound down there is the equivalent of a little piggie's house made out of straw

El Tomboto, Saturday, 30 September 2017 04:07 (eight years ago)

and I mean we totally know how because we have the same shit, it's just written out of our doctrine - we don't go in for poisoning tea with polonium, or irradiating people with ultrasonic sound of a period of weeks and months. we go land on the goddamned moon, invent the hydrogen bomb, send flying missile-laden robots to your house and occasionally kill osama bin laden by landing choppers in his yard at night which are full of night vision equipped athletes carrying automatic rifles plus a really good dog

El Tomboto, Saturday, 30 September 2017 04:33 (eight years ago)

Yeah when I read about the Cuban diplomats I was thinking of the Men Who Stare at Goats. I mean that shit does exist right?

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Saturday, 30 September 2017 08:46 (eight years ago)

Hooray - he's found a new low!

The Mayor of San Juan, who was very complimentary only a few days ago, has now been told by the Democrats that you must be nasty to Trump.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 30, 2017

...Such poor leadership ability by the Mayor of San Juan, and others in Puerto Rico, who are not able to get their workers to help. They....

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 30, 2017

...want everything to be done for them when it should be a community effort. 10,000 Federal workers now on Island doing a fantastic job.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 30, 2017

grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 30 September 2017 12:33 (eight years ago)

brown-skinned lazy Democratic-leaning idle little schemers

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 30 September 2017 12:40 (eight years ago)

good theory, Tombot -- but the US guvmint no longer likes the idea of normalized relations w/ Cuba either. Could be an inside job!

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 30 September 2017 12:41 (eight years ago)

(i'm sure the toolkit has become more flexible, or could be)

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 30 September 2017 12:43 (eight years ago)

Thx tombot

Οὖτις, Saturday, 30 September 2017 13:06 (eight years ago)

We did try to topple Fidel by making his beard fall out, though.

I walked past our Havana compound in '04, it looks like a particularly neglected housing project.

ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 30 September 2017 13:10 (eight years ago)

it's like he was listening to alfred and said "oh you want GLIB eh"

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Saturday, 30 September 2017 14:19 (eight years ago)

holy shit what an evil motherfucker

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 30 September 2017 14:29 (eight years ago)

Well there's his "heckuva job brownie" moment, only even more stupid and cruel (predictably)

Οὖτις, Saturday, 30 September 2017 14:32 (eight years ago)

He is a disgrace. I wish he would die.

The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Saturday, 30 September 2017 14:45 (eight years ago)

Those tweets are breathtaking. Such a loathsome, worthless person.

this is ridcolus (Old Lunch), Saturday, 30 September 2017 14:48 (eight years ago)

To be clear, this is the mayor of San Juan who he insulted. She's using a bullhorn to find people. pic.twitter.com/OsbcNKANLd

— Denice Frohman (@denicefrohman) September 30, 2017

Try to imagine Trump doing something similar. You can't. He never would in a million billion years.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 30 September 2017 14:49 (eight years ago)

It's too much

Treeship, Saturday, 30 September 2017 14:56 (eight years ago)

I despair for the human race sometimes.

The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Saturday, 30 September 2017 14:58 (eight years ago)

i haven't searched but pretty sure "they want everything to be done for them" was not used to describe the people of texas, lousiana and florida.

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 30 September 2017 15:04 (eight years ago)

He is a disgrace. I wish he would die.

We should have a thread for the various specific fantasies I’m sure we all have about how this might happen. All acts of god and natural causes only of course.

El Tomboto, Saturday, 30 September 2017 15:07 (eight years ago)

Discovered in an upside-down portapotty filled to the brim with nail scratch marks covering the inside of the unit

Karl Malone, Saturday, 30 September 2017 15:12 (eight years ago)

and in the poop pile is God’s signature

Karl Malone, Saturday, 30 September 2017 15:12 (eight years ago)

it's like he was listening to alfred and said "oh you want GLIB eh"

― Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Saturday, September 30, 2017

*bows*

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 30 September 2017 15:15 (eight years ago)

I've started to thinj that best case scenario is follows:

Dems retake House in 2018, impeachment proceedings begin

Trump dies in office in 2019

Pence assumes lame duck presidency, loses spectacularly in 2020

Οὖτις, Saturday, 30 September 2017 15:27 (eight years ago)

The Fake News Networks are working overtime in Puerto Rico doing their best to take the spirit away from our soldiers and first R's. Shame!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 30, 2017

Doctor Casino, Saturday, 30 September 2017 15:32 (eight years ago)

okay captain birth certificate

is mitch mcconnell's wife's corruption fake news too?

https://www.marketplace.org/2017/09/29/business/elaine-chao-champion-trumps-infrastructure-plan-chose-keep-stock-in-building-company

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 30 September 2017 15:58 (eight years ago)

Try to imagine Trump doing something similar. You can't. He never would in a million billion years.

They have Photoshop for that: Red Hatters made a fake pic of Trump saving a cat in Texas go viral.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 30 September 2017 16:37 (eight years ago)

This needs to be said again and again: Trump is such a piece of shit.

Zings Can Only Get Better (snoball), Saturday, 30 September 2017 17:17 (eight years ago)

I can't bring myself to look up right leaning shit on reddit or other weird internet hangouts...but what are there feelings on PR? It's fairly clear that many people in the US don't understand that people in PR are American citizens; but I also suspect that a fair number of them who do know that think they shouldn't be, and should be cut off; I really think that is what Trump is getting at. Why support this debt ridden colony? Let's just lob it off and let it drown.

akm, Saturday, 30 September 2017 17:17 (eight years ago)

after visiting San Juan for almost an entire month this year, can't help but feel sad and helpless for these guys. PR civilians have been let down by both United States government and Hacienda for decades. in the end, they're the ones paying the price.

Like I guess the whole "they want things done for them" meme is getting at "look at Texas, there were volunteers riding around on Sea Doos helping out", well yeah, but there are other surrounding states connected to it which makes that a fuck of a lot easier. also the entire power grid didn't get destroyed.

that Rs aren't publicly criticizing him isn't in the least surprising but really is the line in the sand for me. This is innocent people dying.
This isn't 'tax cuts'. they can all suffer massive heart attacks too. every one of them.

Neanderthal, Saturday, 30 September 2017 18:00 (eight years ago)

This needs to be said again and again: Trump is such a piece of shit.

No, I would shake hands with shit. I would dip my arm to the shoulder in a bucket of hot pig manure before I would shake hands with our current president.

El Tomboto, Saturday, 30 September 2017 18:09 (eight years ago)

meanwhile Trump's approval ratings which had stabilized a bit have declined quite a bit in the last week but it's like Ice Cube "Today was a Good Day" syndrome, all he has to do is have a drama-free week and Rs are relieved and come back home.

I do think death would be too kind to him cos the dude needs to suffer public disgrace first but at this point after seeing PR, I dunno if we can withstand him that long.

seriously, there's gotta be some plaque in those damn arteries somewhere. he practically has KFC gravy in his veins.

Neanderthal, Saturday, 30 September 2017 18:10 (eight years ago)

I don’t want massive heart attacks. I want gas.

El Tomboto, Saturday, 30 September 2017 18:11 (eight years ago)

^hardmanning I can get down with

Neanderthal, Saturday, 30 September 2017 18:12 (eight years ago)

you want him to die from farting?

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 30 September 2017 18:30 (eight years ago)

black goo dragon farts that turn his extremities into intestines and vice versa

You know, an industrial accident

El Tomboto, Saturday, 30 September 2017 18:33 (eight years ago)

what an immensely horrible human being

Chocolate-covered gummy bears? Not ruling those lil' guys out. (ulysses), Saturday, 30 September 2017 18:33 (eight years ago)

So...what shall we name the October thread.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 30 September 2017 18:35 (eight years ago)

jackboots on the ground

Neanderthal, Saturday, 30 September 2017 18:42 (eight years ago)

(not, not really)

Neanderthal, Saturday, 30 September 2017 18:42 (eight years ago)

how about: You must be nasty to Trump

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 30 September 2017 18:46 (eight years ago)

But his supporters keep finding ways to defend him. Oh, the San Juan mayor had tweeted months ago her dislike for Trump; as if that has anything to do with the slow US response in Puerto Rico.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 30 September 2017 18:51 (eight years ago)

He is a disgrace. I wish he would die.

Neanderthal, Saturday, 30 September 2017 18:51 (eight years ago)

i never would have expected such callousness from a white supremacist xenophobe

bob lefse (rushomancy), Saturday, 30 September 2017 18:59 (eight years ago)

looking forward to my trip to spit on this thing's grave

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 30 September 2017 19:15 (eight years ago)

My main motivation to survive this presidency is counting on the probability that I will outlive him so I can literally dance on his grave one day.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 30 September 2017 19:21 (eight years ago)

But that's if he doesn't get dragged out the WH and ripped apart Gaddafi-style.

Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, 30 September 2017 19:22 (eight years ago)

^^See, this is what we need Thrillary for.

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 30 September 2017 19:26 (eight years ago)

I'll honestly settle for a massive stroke that leaves him incapable of speaking or using his hands. Largely because I can't imagine anyone feeling compelled to care for him in that state, so someone will maybe just toss him in a dumpster or something.

this is ridcolus (Old Lunch), Saturday, 30 September 2017 20:11 (eight years ago)

There are honestly times when I feel optimistic about humanity based solely on the fact that we've collectively gone seventy years without beating this ambulatory shart into a coma.

this is ridcolus (Old Lunch), Saturday, 30 September 2017 20:15 (eight years ago)

black goo dragon farts that turn his extremities into intestines and vice versa

this should be the name of the October thread and any pretenders to its throne will not be as good, be real

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Saturday, 30 September 2017 20:16 (eight years ago)

vice viscera

ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Saturday, 30 September 2017 20:25 (eight years ago)

i'm wondering more and more if decent americans hate trump more than the deplorables are bigoted against minorities

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 30 September 2017 20:41 (eight years ago)

can't believe john d is a bush 2 apologist now

||||||||, Saturday, 30 September 2017 20:43 (eight years ago)

xpost I can state definitively that I've never harbored such intense and sustained ill-will for anyone in my life. Which is at least partially fueled by the fact that he NEVER SUFFERS ANY REPERCUSSIONS FOR ANYTHING EVER.

this is ridcolus (Old Lunch), Saturday, 30 September 2017 21:02 (eight years ago)

How about bringing back the word Politics in the October thread, and leaving the word Trump out

sciatica, Saturday, 30 September 2017 21:27 (eight years ago)

xpost Externally at least. Internally, he is rotting away. He is going to die rich and diseased.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 30 September 2017 21:28 (eight years ago)

He is the very personification, the embodiment, of every horrible thing every horrible rich person has ever done and gotten away with. He is a tumor, he is like a subconscious manifestation from a Cronenberg film.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 30 September 2017 21:29 (eight years ago)

I know "Hollywood", but Lin-Manuel Miranda brings fire: https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2017/09/30/hollywood-takes-trump-woodshed-over-his-tweets-san-juan-mayor/719532001/

to fly across the city and find Aerosmith's car (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 30 September 2017 21:33 (eight years ago)

the POTUS is more critical of the mayor of san juan, when puerto rico is still digging itself out of a hurricane, than he has ever been of the president of russia, who hacked our election. can we revoke the voting privileges of all registered republicans yet?

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 30 September 2017 21:50 (eight years ago)

The revolution those conservatives talk about, this is it. They're gladly taking Russian assistance, judging by their, at best, blase attitude towards the whole thing. They like Putin's society far better than the direction the US has been going in.

I think we've got a coup going on, baby.

carpet_kaiser, Saturday, 30 September 2017 22:07 (eight years ago)

Think about this: the oligarchy that's been trying to seize power (Citizens United, most recently), will gain even more wealth and power under such a system. Social conservatives will get their race dominance and beloved authoritarian leader.

The NYT's owners, NBC, CBS, et al, were way more afraid of Sanders than Trump, and even threw a few bones Trump's away in hedging against Clinton.

Whoowee, we've got some crazy shit going on. It's going to royally suck for minorities and the professional, educated class if things really go to shit, unless you get comfy kissing these peoples' asses. Not that it'd be much different than now anyway...

carpet_kaiser, Saturday, 30 September 2017 22:14 (eight years ago)

I don't remember any of those dialogue bits from JFK.

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 30 September 2017 22:19 (eight years ago)

This is pretty 1:1 reasoning here, so I don't think it qualifies for JFK level stuff. I've seen this same "JFK" stuff you talk about wreck impossible projects, so GFY.

carpet_kaiser, Saturday, 30 September 2017 22:21 (eight years ago)

Why wouldn't people want the things they clearly want, and have an avenue to obtain it? Because of LOVE?

carpet_kaiser, Saturday, 30 September 2017 22:21 (eight years ago)

I'll honestly settle for a massive stroke that leaves him incapable of speaking or using his hands. Largely because I can't imagine anyone feeling compelled to care for him in that state, so someone will maybe just toss him in a dumpster or something.

Could a stroke also cause you to think everyone around you is cursing you in Spanish? I'd like that.

The Fortnightly Intruder (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Saturday, 30 September 2017 22:28 (eight years ago)

also -- ayn rand? russian. the #1 donors to the GOP? their daddy made his fortune building stalin's oil refineries. are there any bigger influences on xontemporary "conservatism" than ayn rand and charles / david koch? i'm not anti-russian by any stretch, but boy did republicans pretend to be until like last year

xpost

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 30 September 2017 22:28 (eight years ago)

For serious, larry/carpet_kaiser/whatever usernames you're swapping between: keep your 'GFY' bullshit to yourself or I'll flag every one of your posts until you're banned.

this is ridcolus (Old Lunch), Saturday, 30 September 2017 22:36 (eight years ago)

So someone zings me, and I can't zing back? That doesn't seem fair.

carpet_kaiser, Saturday, 30 September 2017 22:39 (eight years ago)

It's like you want the TRUMP card here! hhuhuhuhuh

carpet_kaiser, Saturday, 30 September 2017 22:40 (eight years ago)

uh huh huh he said 'rump' uh huh huh uh huh huh

Neanderthal, Saturday, 30 September 2017 23:17 (eight years ago)

Voting for "u bum" for October thread title btw; it feels gently eloquent

i believe that (s)he is sincere (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 1 October 2017 00:04 (eight years ago)

how is carpet kaiser not banned yet? take the crazy pills mindblower schtick to some comments thread someplace, man

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 1 October 2017 00:08 (eight years ago)

your question answers itself

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 1 October 2017 00:18 (eight years ago)

You dudes said "crazy pills" about all the other stuff I said, which ended up coming true. I don't blame you guys for not having the stomach for this stuff, so I will refrain.

carpet_kaiser, Sunday, 1 October 2017 00:22 (eight years ago)

permalinks or it didn't happen

Doctor Casino, Sunday, 1 October 2017 01:21 (eight years ago)

Ur butt is a permalink uh huh hih

Neanderthal, Sunday, 1 October 2017 01:39 (eight years ago)

who's gonna start the new one

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Sunday, 1 October 2017 11:31 (eight years ago)

here's a first - this dude called Twitter "biased" yesterday when someone was citing what he tweeted as proof dude is an asshole

i can't even anymore

Neanderthal, Sunday, 1 October 2017 12:24 (eight years ago)

Sorry Joanie the dragon goo fart was too gross for me

Trump, October 2017: Apologize for untruth, u bum

Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 1 October 2017 13:25 (eight years ago)

Ugh, Puzder on MSNBC carrying water for Trump's "tax reform" ideas. He keeps saying "we need to stop parsing this out in individual pieces and look at what it'll do for the whole economy, for everyone" hahaha yeah those keys sure are jingling in your other hand man let me keep staring at those.

The Fortnightly Intruder (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 13:45 (eight years ago)

The estate tax "is a double tax! It taxes money you've already made!"

The Fortnightly Intruder (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 13:46 (eight years ago)

Heyyyy fuck you, bud, how about that.

The Fortnightly Intruder (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 13:46 (eight years ago)

There's an October thread now, heads up

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 11 October 2017 13:46 (eight years ago)

Fuck I thought I was posting in that. Someone should lock this and also i should pay more attention.

The Fortnightly Intruder (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Wednesday, 11 October 2017 23:57 (eight years ago)


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