the TWIN PEAKS: THE RETURN non-plot-specific summing-up thread

ie, people who have seen it distill their impressions for people who haven't yet.

I already know 'too much' (Dougie, Coop's reawakening, glass box) so keep it to vague and glittering generalities, if you can.

(I would've revived an older thread but Search seems to be fucked again.)

lol morbs you know incredibly little

yeah perhaps but there's more i know and i'd prefer not to know anything, ideally

but it's 2017, a bad world

it's a hugely inventive and affecting series of concepts and vignettes that don't always conclude, with specific ruminations on time (the passage of it, the indistinctness of it) and moments of fan service where you might least expect them. it's also rewarding in ways that absolutely will not be clear until you've seen the entire thing.

It's about owls basically

twin peaks the return is an anagram of ornithology twank

It's basically about never being able to go back home, in the end.

(That statement is simultaneously glib, literal, and probably more symbolically apropos than I even realized when I typed it out.)

^ in agreement with Old Lunch.

and moments of fan service

aloooooowly i turn....

There are a few moments where Lynch gives the fans exactly what they think they want, and a few others where it seems like he's going to give the fans what they want but yanks it away at the last minute, but the bulk of it is about completely smashing the hopes and dreams of the coffee n' cherry pie set. You will be pleasantly surprised by at least that much, Morbs.

Disagree based on 16 episodes. The coffee n pie set are strawmen to a whineyesque degree because the show was never just that to anybody, and inasmuch as might have been expected there were indeed significant elements of fan service involved without that ever having become the entire point or another inhibitor to it being something distinct and new

The tone of the show varies wildly from episode to episode.

Scene to scene, def

i understand this is a different animal, but the original was similarly varied scene to scene. A young film critic seeing it earlier this year said it seemed more 'soap opera' and less 'Twin Peaks weirdness' than he'd expected.

in the orig series rewatch i am appreciating how Albert sort of functions as a series skeptic: "Is (the giant) related to the dwarf?"

Yeah I think cooper is our guy who tells us it's all ok just feel yr way around and Albert is that other guy

since there is a Judy in this edition I assume that's another Vertigo ref

don't forget judy garland

i wish i had all of these on DVD so i could just mail them to you!!

Saying there's fan service in this is so literal yet misleading it's like a prank.

(Sheriff Cable voice) got a fan in the Palmer house, has a service...

morbs you could just steal this series off the internet

Morbs, I honestly think you'll love the new series once you get to it

Xp as many people have said this feels a lot like "if mulholland dr pilot had been picked up", I think a mistake ppl make tho is assuming every single one of the threads in md would have "gone somewhere" if it had continued on

― K-hole MacLachlan (wins), Tuesday, 6 June 2017 12:41 (three months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^not a bad summing-up of the return from 1 week in

ince there is a Judy in this edition I assume that's another Vertigo ref

it's the same Judy from the last edition

we're not gonna talk about judy

i don't remember a Judy

but I'm only up to ep12 in the reatch

*rewatch

there is no Judy in the original series. The name "Judy" is briefly uttered in FWWM.

shame on you, sic

Technically there is a Judy in the original series, she's played by molly shannon

ok fine

we're not going to talk about molly shannon

I would have died laughing if her character turned out to be important in the Return

i loved that one scene where she plunged her hands deeeeep into her armpits, then held the odorous fingers up to her nostrils and inhaled so deeply. the intake of her breath seems especially crisp (sound design by david lynch showing here) and it lasts a couple beats longer than you'd expect. then: "Starring Kyle McLachlan"

since this thread has served its major function i'd like to say thanks also - it's been a lovely and stimulating thread and it's been a good time! an excellent reminder of what ilx is at its best!

i'd like to say thanks to ilx lurker, Priory, who sent me a helpful email off the back of this thread. I was unable to reply to your message since I couldn't find your details (ilx mail doesn't allow one to simply respond to a message!) - anyway, thanks and please de-lurk. x

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8-_aJ1BiFE

FWWM is the last edition!

wrong thread obv!

Now that it's over, I've signed up for a free month of Hulu & Showtime and am binge watching. With all the weekly episode synopses that have been published (AV Club, Vulture, etc.), what's a good one for spotting small details, making connections and theorizing? Bonus points for a good comments section.

I'm generally wary of recap culture, but my favorite episode-by-episode discussions of The Return have been Joel Bocko's writeups on lostinthemovies.com and the conversations on the podcasts Diane, Lodgers, and Counter Esperanto.

i can't say i read a ton of recaps, but whenever i ran across the Vulture recaps i thought they did a pretty good job and i usually learned a thing or two as well

Just watched 17 then dinner then let's do this

Your optimism is cute

unless you know something I don't, dinner is guaranteed and the download of ep 18 is fine

I'm generally wary of recap culture, but my favorite episode-by-episode discussions of The Return have been Joel Bocko's writeups on lostinthemovies.com🕸 and the conversations on the podcasts Diane, Lodgers, and Counter Esperanto.

Cosign all of this. I've heard the av club & culture reviews are good but haven't really read anything about the show beyond bocko's blog & the ilx thread

i've pretty much only read jess zimmerman's recaps on vice, those are all excellent

Emily Stephens is probably the best writer at the AV Club and her recaps were quite good

Dinner was good

ayyyyyyy love dinner

Jesus do I really have to go through all the bad takes before giving out about this on the other thread

If you don't eat your vegetables you can't expect dessert that's like the first rule of dinner

The repast dictates the future

what vegetable is this

I can't really read this yet, but I like the writer and the whole "spoiler" thing once your must-watch-TV cycle over is so 21st-century-annoying...

https://mubi.com/notebook/posts/2-peaks-2-1-twin-peaks-the-return

Now that it's over, I've signed up for a free month of Hulu & Showtime and am binge watching. With all the weekly episode synopses that have been published (AV Club, Vulture, etc.), what's a good one for spotting small details, making connections and theorizing? Bonus points for a good comments section.

― Hideous Lump, Saturday, September 9, 2017 12:24 PM (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm generally wary of recap culture, but my favorite episode-by-episode discussions of The Return have been Joel Bocko's writeups on lostinthemovies.com and the conversations on the podcasts Diane, Lodgers, and Counter Esperanto.

― one way street, Saturday, September 9, 2017 12:33 PM (four days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i want to reiterate that the lodgers podcast (with ilx's own simon h.) is very very good. i didn't start listening to it until the show was over but now i'm working my way through it backwards and am really getting a lot out of it, not so much about plot points and clues but more about references and influences.

I enjoyed tracking Simon's dread regarding the possibility of Dern playing Diane. It was funny to follow with the benefit of hindsight. Hopefully this ended up as a happy surprise for him.

lol yes my dread ended up being rather silly

Finale (though maybe not "last") ep is in the bag, gonna take some time to edit though due to TIFFness

With all the weekly episode synopses that have been published (AV Club, Vulture, etc.), what's a good one for spotting small details, making connections and theorizing? Bonus points for a good comments section.

Wasn't very into many of these but belatedly discovered the MUBI.com ones and Keith Uhlich does a great job. Good writer.

https://mubi.com/notebook/posts/tag/Twin%20Peaks%20Recap

It’s never been a secret that Lynch is a student of Tibetan Transcendental Meditation, and he has often talked about how this informs his art. Less known is his long-time study of the Hindu Vedas as well as other sacred texts such as the above-mentioned Upanishads. Martha Nochimson has even gone so far as to formulate a theory of Vedic physics related to quantum physics that drives Lynch’s work.

Being Sri Lankan American, with Hindu heritage on my Tamil side and many years spent living in India learning about the culture, people, and religion, imagine my surprise to find the Twin Peaks interwebs suddenly flooded with think piece after think piece whitesplaining Hindu mysticism, The Upanishads, and The Vedas. I watched as the beautiful, rich, and deep tradition of these sacred Indian texts and practices were suddenly and irretrievably reduced to a catch phrase in an American television show. #WeAreLikeTheDreamer

https://wearyourvoicemag.com/more/entertainment/unavoidable-whiteness-new-twin-peaks

Upanishads

"Irretrievably," huh.

ha i went to high school with the author of that piece

there are some fair, if obvious, points in there, but the whole "we are the dreamer who lives in the dream etc etc" part isn't just a catch phrase, it's essentially the thesis statement of the new season

I got through ep 8 and now I'm having a hard time convincing my gf to pick it back up, mostly because of this Fresh Air review that talks about the lack of resolution and clarity (which misses the point imo, but sure yeah): http://www.npr.org/2017/09/07/548972584/two-high-profile-creators-pass-the-baton-from-twin-peaks-to-the-deuce

fwiw, I thought the ending lacked clarity in the same way that the ending of mulholland drive lacked clarity. There are always going to be people that claim that it made absolutely no sense, but there are plenty of ways to interpret what happens.

transcendental meditation is not tibetan

Pitchfork interview with Lynch about the use of music in the show. Explains the overdubbing of Bowie's voice:

Pitchfork: After making a cameo in 1992’s Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me, David Bowie’s character Phillip Jeffries reappeared in the new series via footage from that film and as a big, talking tea kettle. Did you ever approach Bowie himself to be in the new series?

David Lynch: Absolutely. I never even talked to him, but I talked to his lawyer, and they weren’t telling me why he said he couldn’t do it. But then, of course, later on we knew.

Why did Phillip Jeffries take the form of a tea kettle?

I sculpted that part of the machine that has that tea kettle spout thing, but I wish I’d just made it straight, because everybody thinks it’s a tea kettle. It’s just a machine.

Did Bowie know that his character was going to appear in that capacity?

No, no, no. He didn’t know that. We got permission to use the old footage, but he didn’t want his voice used in it. I think someone must have made him feel bad about his Louisiana accent in Fire Walk With Me, but I think it’s so beautiful. He wanted to have it done by a legitimate actor from Louisiana, so that’s what we had to do. The guy (voice actor Nathan Frizzell) did a great job.

That's not non-plot-specific

Sorry, wrong thread! Mods feel free to delete if possible.

the first couple paragraphs of Dennis Lim's review in Artforum (paywalled) provide a decent, non-spoilery description for people who haven't seen it yet:

Rainer Werner Fassbinder once said that he sought to build a house with his films, each one a wall or floor or window - an additive process that would ultimately reveal a representative edifice. This metaphor helps illuminate the wondrous improbability of David Lynch's eighteen-hour Twin Peaks: The Return (2017). What we have here is not an artist in his twilight years unveiling a crowning capstone, but one with the resources and the will to erect a whole new structure from the ground up: a house built in a single late burst of inspiration, big enough to hold a life's work.

Directed in full by Lynch and cowritten with Twin Peaks co-creator Mark Frost, The Return is both culmination and summation. All of Lynch is here: the primitive movie magic of his handcrafted early shorts; the lever-cranking cosmology and slo-mo slapstick of Eraserhead (1977); the crude body horror and extreme violence of his art brut paintings, the words and numbers of obscure significance floating in pockets of white noise; the peerlessly intuitive actors (Kyle MacLachlan, Laura Dern, Naomi Watts, Grace Zabriskie) tuned in to his particular wavelength, sly and deadly serious; and of course, the parallel-world and alter ego confusion that has become his stock in trade.

haven't read this FC critical feature yet ie spoiler-likely

https://www.filmcomment.com/article/now-its-dark-twin-peaks-the-return-david-lynch/

It’s really good but also wall to wall spoilers.

Vadim Rizov:

I *will* say, after rewatching (nearly all of) Twin Peaks: The Return this weekend at MoMA, that (Showtime logo aside — that’s still in the DCP for every episode except the ones broadcast together), this absolutely benefits from big-screen viewing. You can see the tiniest visual elements much more clearly, some of which were previously illegible, and unless your home stereo setup has a seriously effective subwoofer (Lynch leans bass-heavy as usual) you want to hear this on the biggest speakers available. It’s my hope that with DCPs now created for this weekend’s marathon screening, Twin Peaks theatrical showings will become a regular addition to Lynch retros, a readily available occurrence rather than a Very Special One Time Only Event. [Update: according to this podcast with executive producer Sabrina S. Sutherland, screenings will not be “once in a lifetime,” but relatively rare. She also notes that the color timing and audio mix was adjusted for the DCPs.]

http://filmmakermagazine.com/104268-nyfcc-awards-and-an-alternate-top-10-of-2017/

i would love to see any of The Return on the big screen. my favorite episodes tended to be the ones that I watched on my meager home projector, with headphones. Plus, the Showtime stream was awful with darker colors, especially blacks. so many scenes were filled with ugly pixellated blotches that. It would be a treat to see the darker side of the show as it was intended to be seen!

If you're in NYC later this year and wanna watch any of the Bluray, let me know!

somehow, i have gone this far in life without watching a blu-ray, to my knowledge. i hear it's high tech!

i heard pretty negative reports about the audience at the moma screenings so i never made it to any of them. would embark on a rewatch with you morbs whenever you get around to it

negative reports about the audience

really? that's fucking lame. just talking and making jokes and stuff?

Audiences are what worry me about these things but I'd love so much to see this in the cinema

really? that's fucking lame. just talking and making jokes and stuff?

― Karl Malone, Wednesday, January 10, 2018 10:04 AM (thirty-two seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lotta inappropriate laughter

Oh yeah that was my experience of seeing fwwm at the cinema for sure

gobble gobble

two friends of mine went, haven't heard much bad stuff

this wd involve all kinds of nervous laughter i'm sure

Wonder if the Sutherland quote about screenings being "relatively rare" has to do with the rights & how they work differently for TV shows, as Simon H speculated on his podcast. Hopefully it's more just stating the obvious re the practicalities of putting on 16 and a half hours of content, like you'd expect these to be rare, screenings of Out 1 are extremely rare too

i've been rewatching on bluray and when i got to pt8 i lingered in the projection booth at work after the square had finally fucking ended and the staff had gone home and arranged a theatrical screening for myself, in the middle of the night, alone, when no one knew where i was or what i was doing. i sat on the stage 8ft from the screen. as ferris bueller says, if you have the means, i highly suggest picking one up

whole show's terrific at home tho as long as yr able to turn it up.

damn that rules, lol @ 'when the square finally fucking ended', all i ever heard about that movie was how interminable it was

otm. i highly recommend seeing Lynch's work large, preferably projected, dark room up close. a good projector is not that expensive of an investment and is a dramatically different experience. i projected most of season 3 with a few friends at a time as it came out. the night of episode 8 there was a mini miracle and we finally got everybody together to have the night off and grab pizza. we projected out in the living room on the large white wall and had no idea it was going to be _that_ episode. it was amazing.

a few months later i went to visit a friend who had moved out of town and we planned on binge watching as much as we could while i visited. the thing is, the couch we sat on was way across the room, the TV monitor just a tiny box on the far end of the room. it was hard to focus on it. it was easy to get distracted. Lynch in particular plays with tension and dynamics far more than most other directors so i agree w him that a powerful system is necessary to get the full experience. visual details and quiet noises can be missed if it's an un-optimized viewing experience. his work triggers all kinds of (often mixed) emotions.

ah there is a cut off sentence at the end there. i meant to say: people will laugh at David Lynch's work because it is genuinely funny, sometimes cosmically so. he is constantly tip-toeing all kinds of lines and combining horror with beauty and comedy all at once. first time i saw a Lynch film in the theater was Mulholland Drive and while it was a thing of beauty, me and two friends had never laughed so much in our lives.

I liked The Square but the last 45 minutes is really quite a slog

AB I'm extremely jealous of yr setup

^same, it was fine but interminable

I stumbled across a Lynch piece in an art museum here. Hand-made paper, on which he drew a baby having a baby (more or less).

the square had one scene in the first half-hour (delivering the letters) that was so riveting and dreadful and confidently on-the-nose (the dark square of the apartment stairwell he turns round and round, descending, as he enmeshes himself violently with other lives) i wondered if by the end of the movie stockholm would be in apocalyptic flame, and then as far as i can tell nothing happened for two more hours except strained artworld satire. tasteless millennial marketing team in partic rang false w every other word.

adam's setup sounds ideal.

my peaks friend at work had an extra ticket for saturday's MOMA marathon and offered it to me. I had already told my friends I would be dungeon mastering for them that day. I didn't go to the screening. A DM is only as good as his word :(

battle of nerddoms!

adam's setup sounds ideal.

i dropped ~$100 on a consumer grade LED projector a few years ago and use it for hours daily. you can probably spend that now and get one with way better resolution (mine is kind of useless for anything with text). imo it's also a QoL upgrade as you suddenly aren't staring directly at a screen quite so much, there is the possibility for a larger image that is easier on the eyes.

I'm rather late to the ILX/TPTR party, but can I just say that the fact that it exists is such a fucking blessing.

Yeah, I'm not blasting the sound; I'd rather not be scared into permanent sleeplessness by a TV show.

There's a fair chance that will happen anyway, might as well get those good headphones on and luxuriate in the ominous rumbling imo

Won't comment until I get a few episodes in, but I finally started this last night (first two parts).

Did the first series 'rescue' DL from postmodernism?

Twin Peaks proved, at least for a while, to be not only a phenomenal critical/commercial success, but one that worked entirely on its auteur’s own idiosyncratic terms, melding an ironic view of melodramatic conventions with a surrealist vision. Indeed, Lynch has often been credited with irrevocably transforming television, paving the way for that Golden Age represented by The Sopranos (with its frequent recourse to dream sequences), The Wire, Breaking Bad and Mad Men.

Yet it could just as easily be argued that television transformed Lynch, previously a key postmodern figure. Whereas modernism viewed narrative as a problem, postmodernism viewed it as a joke, a hoax that had been exposed and deserved only our derision. Blue Velvet (1986) and Wild at Heart (1990) belong securely within this tradition, as does the feature-length Twin Peaks pilot.

As the latter series developed, however, Lynch clearly found himself caring, in an unironic way, about characters who had initially existed in inverted commas, introducing a depth of feeling that would be retained in his later, more mature output. Turning from Twin Peaks’s 1989 pilot to its prequel, Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me (1992), one is struck by the sharp difference in tone; the scene in the pilot in which we are asked to laugh at Deputy Andy Brennan (Harry Goaz)’s grief upon confronting Laura Palmer (Sheryl Lee)’s corpse feels callous in a manner that has no equivalent in the later film, or any of Lynch’s subsequent theatrical efforts.

http://www.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/sight-sound-magazine/comment/bradlands/twin-peaks-david-lynch-stretches-television-unknown

Twin Peaks: Classic or Dud?

the scene in the pilot in which we are asked to laugh at Deputy Andy Brennan (Harry Goaz)’s grief upon confronting Laura Palmer (Sheryl Lee)’s corpse feels callous in a manner that has no equivalent in the later film

when truman says "is this gonna happen every damn time?" you have all of andy's character (except his physical heroism) summed in one moment, and you're not (just) supposed to laugh imo. andy is undesensitizable, which in a whole show about trauma is hardly just a joke. plus, accidental resonance: things that happen again, things that are returned to, the same as last year at mr. blodgett's barn.

at the same time yes it is played for laughs. figure it out yknow?

Whereas modernism viewed narrative as a problem, postmodernism viewed it as a joke, a hoax that had been exposed and deserved only our derision.

also i've never taken an english course so who knows but this sounds wrong.

yeah i was gonna make roughly the same post. considering how much crying and sobbing there is in the episode, it serves a much more nuanced purpose than getting a laugh

"narrative deserves only our derision" reads like a characterization of postmodernism by... someone who thinks you can be rescued from it by television

Narrative is funny though.

Jeeze I'd say one would only have to watch 10 minutes of THE ELEPHANT MAN to realise where Lynch's heart is.

no matter how hard I try i will never understand what is or isn't postmodern

congratulations, you're postmodern

feel like anything before WWI is modern but past that it gets fuzzy. once you've passed Andy Warhol and the birth of the internet there's no looking back

i chose WWI cos Dada/surrealism being the first cracks in the facade of pop postmodernism

icymi

https://www.villagevoice.com/2018/02/15/film-poll-twin-peaks-nathan-for-you-and-the-great-tv-vs-film-debate-of-2017/

Netflix finally sends the DVDs on Tuesday. See you in the Other Place!

i'll probably start it this weekend, as i'm watching the original's finale tonight i think.

we'll see you both at the curtain call

O Lucky Men!

Re: the revive, why do so many hot takes of Lynch's work seem to so fundamentally misunderstand Lynch and his aims? I mean, I geddit, he can be a slippery customer, but still.

I think there's a fundamental mismatch between how fans watched the Twin Peaks revival—obsessively, in online forums, sleuthing and pouring over every crevice for deeper significance—and how Lynch has suggested we enjoy it: as an experience, a dream that works best on the immediate level. He's all but said "just watch it, enjoy it and be moved by it."

Obviously artists don't get to control how viewers engage with their work, but it does make the 15,000 Reddit threads devoted to Judy seem very silly.

I'm not going to not talk about Judy.

frankly the obsessive poring-over is why I like to watch such series long after they debut.

(ie to abstain from it)

i don't think he minds a huge group of fans obsessing over every tiny detail in his work. he even nods to that kind of community/culture a few times in the return (i won't be specific even though it wouldn't really be a spoiler at all)

in terms of how an audience consumes his work, he seems much more concerned about the quality - he hates people watching on phones, and he recommended several times that people use headphones (which i do too; if you're into the eraserhead soundtrack you'll love this)

Yeah that's a noble priority. I remember this debuted in the summer, and every Sunday night even on the most sweltering days I'd have to turn off the air condition when watching the new episode so I didn't miss any of the sound details

Never watched anything else in our place at such a volume (although my gf did insist on a significant reduction wrt the Penderecki).

Do you have neighbors, pal?

Figure I'll go about 2 episodes a week, an 18-hr marathon doesn't seem optimal for my mental state.

i tried but can't do more than 2 episodes at a time. 3 is a stretch.

I just finished the fourth episode. So far I'm glad it exists but I'm not blown away either. Much of it is attenuated for no reason.

comedy/horror of duration, as we discussed in the Lynch thread

was genuinely surprised when J J Leigh showed up

Much of it is attenuated for no reason.

it gets worse.

Slow TV, doodz

Morbs, lecturing on teevee politics.

I've said elsewhere that this feels like the OG 9-episode Showtime order spread margarine thin to self-indulgent effect. I watched eps 1-9, one at a time, and had to stop for a while.

on another TP thread I wrote that it reminded me of Bela Tarr, but worse, and that it careens wildly from tone to tone, idea to idea (in a way that doesn’t seem entirely in control). I said that the true believers argue this is part of the appeal, but it just kinda seems gratuitous.

The intrinsic dullness of soap-operas shines through in the Dougy bits, but it isn't as biting or clever as "Invitation to Love" once was.

hmmm

Lynchiacs remind me of Deadheads sometime

lol

"it's about the notes they don't play, the lines they don't say, the plot lines they don't resolve"

My advice is do NOT binge watch TPTR. It thrives on pauses between utterances. No more than 2 episodes a day imo

agreed

Sherilyn Fenn should be cast in the Dianne Feinstein bio pic.

I finished it! It irritated the hell out of me for the tortuous middle stretch (Episode Nine + three or so). The last two episodes moved me more than expected, and I'm not a Lynch fan who gives much of a shit about the original show, nor did I re-watch to remember (I've never seen the second season, for example. I love Fire Walk With Me fwiw.

oh boy you've gotta see the second season finale. honestly you can watch it in isolation & get along fine if you don't want to (understandably) go thru all of that very uneven season. i think it's the best thing Lynch has ever done.

(Episode Nine + three or so)

might agree that 9-10's the dip but 11 is great ("keep your blood", turkey jerky, "...you're not gonna tell me what she said?!") and tho the cherry pie is the most defiantly dreamlogiced thing in the show i love 11 for "mr. jackpots, thank you again!" "thank you... again"

sorry, first one there should be 12

oh boy you've gotta see the second season finale. honestly you can watch it in isolation & get along fine if you don't want to (understandably) go thru all of that very uneven season. i think it's the best thing Lynch has ever done.

otm, if you were to watch just one thing lynch has ever done, the back half of the final s2 twin peaks episode would have to be it. unparalleled and properly haunting.

yes, that and the amazing episode 8 of the return, and I'd maybe even throw in the final episode of the return...among the best bits of Lynche's oeuvre

I admire Episode 8 and never want to watch it again.

I'm not a Lynch fan who gives much of a shit about the original show

fp bait

cross out "not"

You're a lynch fan who gives much of a shit about the original show?

I should poll my replies

This thread reminded me that I saw three or four episodes of nu-Peaks and then forgot to continue with it (which is to say, was not compelled). A lot of you folks like it, though, and I had a neighbor loudly sing its praises at length last summer, so maybe I'll dive in again. It brought to mind the cast of Twin Peaks dropped into the middle of a Phantasm miniseries.

i never know which twin peaks S3 thread to revive. anyway this is silly but fun

Where do you fall in this #TwinPeaks alignment chart? pic.twitter.com/YyupEvEBmm

— Kyle MacLachlan (@Kyle_MacLachlan) June 15, 2018

Mr. C is not lawful wtf

yeah, they kind of stretched it with that one. i guess, that compared to doppelcooper and booper (their terms not mine) he's more lawful, more inclined to sort of blend into society, enough to get a table at a diner and shit like that.

laughed today remembering that scene where Cole calls Truman and when Cole shouts into the phone, Truman pulls the wrong end of the phone away.

Sad about Robert Forster. I know the cast was old but I never would have imagined there would have been so many deaths already.

Don't discount the possibility that the script may be cursed.

They discovered something inside the story

Twin Peaks Season 4 cast changes

Frank Silva ... Stock footage
Michael J. Anderson ... A cartoon talking dead tree
Michael Ontkean ... Robert Forster
Robert Forster ... John Saxon's voice through a walkie talkie
David Bowie ... An enormous coffee pot
Don S. Davis ... A cardboard cutout
Miguel Ferrer ... A sarcastic elk who only appears as a reflection in a coffee cup
Warren Frost ... An old light bulb that's somehow been burning for over 100 years
Harry Dean Stanton ... Some dried acadia leaves in a velvet bag
Jack Nance ... A fish in a percolator
Frances Bay ... A wistful sigh of regret
Jimmy Scott ... The desiccated corpse of Jimmy Scott
Peggy Lipton ... Clarence Williams III
Catherine Coulson ... Moira Kelly

would watch

Left off with episode 8 a year-plus ago. Probably do 8 & 9 this weekend. It's now or neverrrrr….

Do it!!!

of course I barely know who some characters are now

takeaway from 2nd look at "Gotta Light?" is NIN is still boring

eps 9 & 10 were p weird and grim, save for Dougie-Janey sex scene

weird and grim is the prevailing twin peaks season 3 mood

psyched for you to finish morbs

if only to know your thoughts on the last episode

Yeah, 'weird + grim' pretty otm as descriptor of The Return. Not sure I'd be up to watching it at this particular moment, tbrr.

that dougie-janey sex scene is one of the strangely uplifting sex scenes i can think of

well I meant weird as in even more narrative stasis than usual, not Lynchweird

also, only Lynch-related but not specifically for The Return (sorry), but i watched Todd Hayne's Safe the other night and was struck by how it seems to be both influenced BY Lynch (esp with certain close-ups of flowers and neighborhoods looking like Blue Velvet) and also an influence ON Lynch (the front of the car highway shots at the beginning of 1995's Safe (Lost Highway in 1997, and Mulholland Drive a couple years later); the shots of mansions up on a hill (also in Mulholland Drive). not just the subject matter of those things, but also the cinematography. The highway scenes, especially, made me think "Lynch MUST have seen this"

When I watched the dead don’t die I had the strong impression that it was the first major post-tptr work, & was vindicated to see an interview with jj where he praised it & said something like “why isn’t lynch given as much money as he wants to do whatever he wants”

It isn’t just you, doc, the four episodes after part 8 are def seen as weird and static by a lot of people. I adore this stretch obv (esp part 12)

I think Wild at Heart also has the road shots, which was before Safe. He uses that a lot.

While stuck at home I’ve rewatched all things Lynch, even the commercials and *shudder* the Duran Duran movie. The Return holds up well, even if it sometimes works better as a collection of Lynchisms than a coherent narrative. It helps to know that a lot of minor subplots won’t resolve and that it doesn’t really matter who Billy is. I love the last episode maybe more than Got A Light? Still not sure about the green glove bit.

I started reading the screenplay to Ronnie Rocket, and interestingly enough it features a character who is transformed through vague electrical “magic” into a passive character who repeats back what others say, like Dougie.

psyched for you to finish morbs

will try to finish b4 i'm finished, could be tough with 2019 film poll also comin' up

u guys are killin' me, no really

I see by a search i'm not the first to point this out (Reddit), but Cooper in eps 17-18 could've learned from Harlan Ellison's "City on the Edge of Forever" Star Trek episode that you can't fix history.

There's a sort of just (if grim) comeuppance in Cooper learning this, bcz I never accepted the character's face-value heroism as many seem to, with his annoyingly sunny "give yourself a present" Boy Scout shit.

Have to admit I was hoping "Richard and Linda" would result in a Thompsons music cue.

"My dreams have withered and died" would have been a little too on the money.

https://www.avclub.com/paul-giamatti-twin-peaks-the-return-1851072447

lynch wanted paul giamatti to play one of the mitchum brothers but they couldn't make the scheduling work

OTOH Jim Belushi's casting really added to the uncanny not-rightness of the Dougie sections

Green glove kid is the only casting that bugs me. The entire green glove thing bugs me. Am I remembering right that Pete was going to wear the green glove but it was reworked because Jack Nance died?

I'm still saving the last two episodes to watch. I enjoyed it so much I couldn't bear to watch the last ones.

And now I've forgotten it all so I'll have to watch the whole thing if I want to finish it.

it might not make the difference you are presuming tbh

Green glove kid is the only casting that bugs me. The entire green glove thing bugs me. Am I remembering right that Pete was going to wear the green glove but it was reworked because Jack Nance died?

yeah was kinda daft, but didn't "Pete" die at the end of the original series?

I think lynch said the green glove stemmed from an idea he had for jack nance back in the day, not for twin peaks specifically (nance died over a decade before the return had even been conceived)

There was a cutaway & an explosion in the original finale — it was a cliffhanger! — but had nance been alive in 2014 I’m 100% sure he would have been in it one way or another

Yes, I was taking my info from the Mark Frost book where he stated he had died in the explosion but now realise that the book was released in 2016

"If David Bowie can be a boiler..."

Just had to familiarize myself with the episode 16 you would have last watched, this one has the amazing scene with Tim Roth and Jennifer Jason Leigh and the crazy neighbour guy! haha

People are under a lot of stress, Bradley.

lynch wanted paul giamatti to play one of the mitchum brothers but they couldn't make the scheduling work

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Agreed with the OP commenters suggesting to just watch Lodge 49 instead.