pizza vs hamburgers

depends on quality imo

Cheeseburgers over pizza, pizza over hamburgers.

cheeseburgers are part of the hamburgers category for the purposes of this poll

Cheeseburgers are a subset of hamburgers.

xp

pizza should probably win for versatility and the fact that it can be vegetarian without being ruined but i'm voting hamburgers because a really good one just hits that spot for me.

Do people even order hamburgers without cheese?

I do

I hate the very concept of a fuckin' cheeseburger

a bad burger is so much better than bad pizza
really good pizza is probably objectively better than a really good hamburger. it has an elegance to it.

cheese is horrible for my figure, i try to limit my intake to pizza, mostly

I greatly limit my intake of either, but I wouldn't miss hamburgers if I never ate another and I would miss pizza.

morbs that stuff on your pizza is cheese

oh good, a pizza poll.

reread my last post, hon

xp

y'all got ham, no burger

i'm definitely very tired of both, if you live in flyover country they're like 70% of all restaurants. but lately for whatever reason i've been consuming a lot of burgers.

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http://www.hellthyjunkfood.com/wp-content/uploads/Pizza-Inside-A-Burger.jpg

a life without pizza is no life at all, so pizza

This is really tough. It's another peak value (pizza wins) vs. career value (burgers) thing for me. I don't have the equipment to make decent pizza, but I can produce a great burger any day of the year, imo.

Mike Piazza vs. Warren Burger.

pizza for sure

Bad pizza is better than bad burger. The idea of a burger is often appealing, but the reality is usually disappointing in some way. The gap between conception and reality is much smaller for pizza.

^ correct answer

pizza, why is this even a question

can a mod please lock this when it passes 200 new answers

i feel like pizza has a self-selection bias where you can say "but what about such and such" and people will go "well, that's not a pizza" whereas even the most flagrant abuse of social norms won't disqualify a thing from being a burger.

Cheese burger pizza

a bad burger is so much better than bad pizza

madness. you'd trade a piping hot dominos slice for a limp pile of nothing from mcdonalds? madness i say.

those are both disgusting!

Dominos is excellent not-really-pizza pizza

this is tough because there are all sorts of variables to account for

but in the end the best burger beats the best pizza for me

Dominos has a pan pizza which is way better than their mediocre pizzas

you'd trade a piping hot dominos slice for a limp pile of nothing from mcdonalds? madness i say.

― oiocha, Tuesday, March 27, 2018 6:52 PM (one hour ago)

yes!!!

Burgers because you can’t put mayonnaise on pizza

pizza has a better name

still voted burgers

Burgers are kind of like the equivalent of mediocre white man. You think they are a lot better than they really are and have ever been proven to be. Pizza all the way.

Real Italian pizza beats everything.

xp perhaps, but ketchup is revelatory on burgers and less so on mediocre white men

This is just reminding me of that disastrous nickelodeon guy wanting to pour ketchup on teen feet.

making your own burgers is such a great, easy thing to do

i had a 'plain jane' burger from a joint here that was just a good patty and bunz, heinz ketchup, mustard, mayo, tomato and lettuce. so good.

there's a college pizza place near me that overloads their pies with cheese and the crust is thick and bread-y. i don't think i've ever had a burger as gross as that. burgers are really hard to fuck up and most fast food places make a solid one imo.

That's so funny because my whole thought process is that almost everyone fucks up burgers because people cook the shit out of ground meat to tastelessness.

Extremely cheap and bad hamburgers are good; extremely cheap and bad pizza is bad

Not much beats a good quality burger for me.

Although as a meatless option, pizza.

yeah, ground beef is often so bad it's good imo, like if there's char, salt and fat content then you're good to go.

But most people overcook/press all the juice out so everything is completely dry and gross. Like when people say "come over, we are grilling burgers" I'm like that O RLY meme. I think I have had 5 good burgers in my life. I've had hundreds of good pizzas.

vs chocolate chip cookies

don't

I will probably eat more pizzas between now and my death than chocolate chip cookies. And that is not because I dislike chocolate chip cookies. It's just that as you age cookies in general become the foe of maintaining good health. Pizza can at least be justified as part of a reasonable meal, if you add a big green salad and a glass of red wine.

burger but practically speaking pizza i guess
fuck

Extremely cheap and bad hamburgers are good; extremely cheap and bad pizza is bad

are you counting Dicks as good or bad here

we can assume a baseline level of quality for the purposes of comparison can't we?

if we can, this boils down to bread vs meat which seems like a pretty easy choice for this omnivore

pizza > all other foods

Pizza is obv great & I eat them more often than burgers (mainly cause frozen pizza is quick n easy meal when lazy, plus I try to limit red meat intake) but there's really only been a few times where I've been all "omg this is SOOOOO good! I can die happily now" while eating it. OTOH, I've always said that a burger + vanilla shake would be my request for a last meal.

be right back, pre-layoff pizza downstairs

are you counting Dicks as good or bad here

i dont really eat beef anymore so i'm a default pizza voter, but in general i think pizza is better because bad burgers are just so awful.

i did have an impossible burger recently, tho -- surprisingly good!

In elementary school, the cafeteria would put tomato sauce and cheese on hamburger buns to make open-faced "pizza burgers". To this day, nobody from that place has tried to contact me and apologize.

Pizza is a more important and versatile utility food, but the best burger is better than the best pizza.

morbius hating cheeseburgers explains basically everything

voted pizza because it is the more versatile and has caused way funnier arguments

post - Pizza ia a more utilitarian food because generally better for you (depending on how prepared and how much consumed) and perhaps more versatile, but to my taste the best pizza does not measure up to the best burger. To some degree that's a function of simple carnivorous pleasure, which I say as someone who eats red meat in relative moderation for an American, but it also has to do with the interplay of ingredients, some of which work better raw in burgers than pizza.

Huh, I thought my earlier post had failed to go through

I think cheese is unnecessary and sometimes distracting on a burger, but it can also be fabulous.

I am a bit shocked because I thought pizza was the easy winner of this.

I haven't eaten meat in 24 years so pizza but I am pretty sure it would be pizza anyway because it's the best food.

i did have an impossible burger recently, tho -- surprisingly good!

― gbx, Wednesday, March 28, 2018 12:31 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Is the the one that's supposedly so real it mimics bleeding? That scares me a little.

pizza is only more versatile because genius scientists found a way to put it on a bagel, enabling the eating of pizza at literally any time. someday, my hope is that we'll also be able to put hamburgers on a bagel. but for now, I guess I'll see you when you get there, hamburger.

Burgers are rubbish and boring. Just a slab of overcooked flavourless meat in a cloying, stodgy bun with token vegetables. I have tried more expensive burgers, they all taste the same as a quarter pounder, even if they cost 4 times as much and come in a brioche bun.

^ this dude has not eaten a dece burg


Dicks is very bad compared to good hamburgers but very good compared to mediocre hamburgers
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Just a slab of overcooked flavourless meat in a cloying, stodgy bun with token vegetables.

such a collection of wrongness it swayed me to vote burgers

#Sad about the burger experiences of those from "rubbish" nations.

I've realized that what I like most about burgers is the combination of textures and the toppings, not really the beef itself, so I'm fine with a good veggie burger (although those can be hard to find too).

My signature move that gets raised eyebrows from waiters is getting a veggie patty but with the real bacon.

I also prefer veggie or turkey burgers. People seriously mess up ground beef all the time with the proportions and cooking.

Me too re: the beef itself, except there's this place nearby who's only other location is in Buenos Aires and they have this Argentinian beef and fuck man that is a tasty patty. Helps that they use primo toppings, too. Top 5 burger for me so far.

I think also a lot of restaurants use not great meat ( I mean why would they for ground meat) so even if you want the burger rare or medium rare they won't really leave it that red.

Is the the one that's supposedly so real it mimics bleeding? That scares me a little.

― Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Thursday, March 29, 2018 3:09 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yes, and it's almost uncanny. on a fully-dressed burg you'd be hard-pressed to notice it's not real. my longish time vegan cousin had one and didn't like it because it reminded him too much of meat

oh I guess the location by me doesn't use Argentian beef, but local organic AZ beef. In any case, it is delicious and if y'all ever come to Sedona on vacation & love burgers it's a must. Delle'piane.

except there's this place nearby who's only other location is in Buenos Aires

What's the place? Planning a trip to Buenos Aires. ;)

Also I only learned recently that apparently that's not blood, it's just water + some chemical reaction that turns it red?

Oh I see now, thx!

there's a similarly realistic veggie burger made by Beyond Meat that you can get at Whole Foods and I'm sure some other places, it's kinda pricey but delicious, the "blood" is beet juice

I'll go to the one in BA too. I think I should be there sometime this year. And then I will come back to this thread to tell you how pizza is still better.

I was at a pub quiz recently so I got a black pudding burger with an egg on it. That was pretty ok.

voted pizza cos while you can eat a veggie pizza that tastes like a really good pizza, nobody has made a veggie burger that tastes like a really good burger.

fuck dodging beet juice stains as a meal enhancement

yeah if either of you go to Delle'piane in BA, report back!
I've been curious about the "beyond meat" at Whole Food. Haven't had a veggie burger since bleh supermarket freezer section version in early 00's.

voted pizza cos while you can eat a veggie pizza that tastes like a really good pizza, nobody has made a veggie burger that tastes like a really good burger.

poll title specifies HAMburgers! don't penalize the noble burger for not being something it isn't!

GBX that’s what I’m worried about. I think it would freak me out.

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it goes:
pizza
spaghetti and meatballs
steak
and then maybe bacon cheeseburgers

I'm gonna try an impossible burger tonight, will report back

i have 2 rules: never exaggerate or speak french. but anyone who votes burger here is un psychopath

a mon (h) avis

i mean
i do think burger pizza is p good tbh

tacos>>>>>>>burgers>pizza>>all other foods

The best pizza is better than the best hamburger and the shitty pizza is better than a shitty burger, but somehow a middling or average hamburger is better than an average pizza.

Maybe it's just because I feel like spring weather is pretty close but I'm definitely more in the mood for hamburgers these days.

I love a burger but they're eclipsed by good kebabs, souvlaki and other more tasty meat/bread combos. pizza is just more.

the thing about a pizza.... is that it can transform into a sandwich! (by folding it)
a burger on the other hand, which is ostensibly a sandwich, cannot transform into a pizza!

is any kind of flatbread with a topping on it a pizza? then it is just a matter of squashing that burger down thin enough. and maybe more ketchup.

i've had toast with ketchup and american cheese slice on top offered to me as pizza. it was still better than dominoes.

Have you had Dominos since they overhauled it? It's really head and shoulders above other fast food pizzas IMO

^ this dude has not eaten a dece burg

Look, this is roujiamo.

http://thewoksoflife.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/rou-jia-mo-8.jpg

the meat is stewed with a load of spices and chopped up with the fat, meaning it is full of flavour and moist too. If you want vegetables you can chop coriander or green peppers in with it, though I prefer not to. The bread is light but never goes soggy or soft. This is everything burgers are supposed to be, and its cheap street food too.

Tell me where I can get a burger in the UK that even approaches this, please.

you can't get a burger like that anywhere because it isn't a burger

Philip Nunez
Posted: March 30, 2018 at 14:40:00
is any kind of flatbread with a topping on it a pizza? then it is just a matter of squashing that burger down thin enough. and maybe more ketchup.

Yes. Naan, then ball of ground beef, rolled thin across the top. Diced onions, tomatoes and pickle relish scattered across the beef layer. Cut a slice horizontally from an entire wheel of swiss cheese, lay that on top. Then some more naan. Substitute naan with homemade matzoh, or whatever.

xxp that is bbq. does "authenticity" come up in non-professional UK burger reviews as it does for every nominally-not-american food in the US?

XXp I don't want a burger like that, I want a burger that tastes as good as that.

I have never read a review of a burger or a burger restaurant as far as I can recall

And it's not bbq, it has not been grilled in any fashion

anyway, pizza seems the obvious choice. garlic + basil + pepparoney hello, more variety, crust is thrown in the air by hairy men. you can put things on it so it looks like a face. also do fractions and serve to friends. burger is just this one type of thing.

tbf that does look & sound amazing xps

Tell me where I can get a burger in the UK that even approaches this, please.

cmon, you can get a hog roast at any market

also, if you put pizza upside down, it is called chicago style. if you put a burger upside down, no one cares.

my boy had this https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/38968302/black-label-burger.0.jpg from minetta tavern

and this http://i.imgur.com/Bcw4N7a.jpg from prince street pizza in the same evening.

then he puked. but both are good!

tbf that does look & sound amazing xps

o hell yes. world of meat sandwich takes pizza in a walk.

Hog roast is rank and nothing like roujiamo

Dude if you want to claim legitimate burger experience you should probably stop describing burger toppings as "vegetables"

And it's not bbq, it has not been grilled in any fashion

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, March 30, 2018 7:07 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

Continuing my tourist-destinations-with-surprisingly-awesome-food-spot guide, this place in Telluride has some of best pizza I've ever had: https://www.browndogpizza.com/
It's all about their Detroit style pies.

Tell me where I can get a burger in the UK that even approaches this, please.

I did have a burger once in Dublin, and it was overcooked, dry and flavourless.

arguing that you have never had a dece burg is not, however, a counter to my argument that you have never had a dece burg

oh shit, just remembered that Dublin burger was at Counter, a chain who in civilised lands are so good that I will eat there twice during a single week in LA (eg once by LACMA, once at Sunset/Fairfax)

worried about magenta burg meat in lion's post

And it's not bbq, it has not been grilled in any fashion

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, March 30, 2018 2:07 PM (sixteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hooooooooboy

Every time someone recommends a "dece berg" to me it turns out to be not a "dece berg" and I am increasingly suspicious that such a thing does not exist, let's put it like that.

Not sure if it's a surprise that a ski town full of rich people has good food, though I ate in some disappointing ones in Telluride. The place downstairs in the New Sheridan is pretty good.

Burgers are kind of like the equivalent of mediocre white man. You think they are a lot better than they really are and have ever been proven to be.

― Yerac, Tuesday, March 27, 2018

But would you let the burger blow you?

Feel I have misunderstood some American definition of bbq, oh well, worse things have happened

idk man if you think "bbq = grilled" then i'm not sure your culinary taxonomy is really up to date

that was an xp but yeah, bbq is a very specific kind of food in america

imo the best burgers i have ever had have been in Atlanta. used to play a venue called The Earl all the time and they gave bands half price on meals and those burgers were incredible. one time i lived in Kirkwood and got something from a cheap bodega looking place (L & L Snack Shack) advertised as ***STUPID BURGER*** and it was great, just loaded with sauce and stuff.

but i've eaten one too many old, cold, dry, burger patties left over at the end of a BBQ. you need ketchup/mustard just to swallow it down. cold pizza on the other hand is still sort of classic in its own trashy way.

ime people always overcook burgers on a bbq grill

idk man if you think "bbq = grilled" then i'm not sure your culinary taxonomy is really up to date

― gbx, Friday, March 30, 2018 8:28 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I actually made this a few years back! Please feel free to amend as fit.

UK

https://haonowshaokao.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/cooking-methods-british-english2.jpg

USA

https://haonowshaokao.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/cooking-methods-american-english2.jpg

China

https://haonowshaokao.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/cooking-methods-chinese1.jpg

dece burg definitely exists. is just sadly rare. two bells tavern in seattle makes (made?) a decent burger. thick, kind of oblong, juicy (fatty) as fuck, nice char even when rare, served on french bread. good with bacon, ketchup, blue cheese, onions. a fucking mess, but worth it.

several thousand miles away though. meanwhile can get good pizza just about anywhere on the east coast. maybe it's a regional thing.

No matter how a hamburger is accoutered, it always comes down to the good or bad qualities of the meat patty. The rest is window dressing. Pizzas have far more scope for subtle flavor and texture combinations and more opportunities for excellence in ingredients to be rewarded.

The honest-to-god best burger I've ever had was consistently from Donna's Bar & Grill in New Orleans, but that's long closed and the man who made it passed away. It definitely wasn't about the quality of the meat, since he sent us out to pick up some more once and just said "get whatever's cheapest". It was all about the process (I don't know all the details but it involved a cast-iron pan, lots of seasoning, and a lifetime of cooking experience).

then he puked. but both are good!

lol

problem with mfktz's comparison chart, as indicated in the preceding conversation, is that "american barbecue" is a wide range with lots of regional variety. some people (savages) use "barbecue" and "grill" interchangeably, while others draw a clear line between the two. far as i'm concerned, any meat cooked quickly over high heat isn't really barbecue.

Pizzas have far more scope for subtle flavor and texture combinations and more opportunities for excellence in ingredients to be rewarded.

― A is for (Aimless), Friday, March 30, 2018 12:40 PM (ten minutes ago)

OTM. With the caveat that "subtle flavor and texture combinations" = garlic, and "opportunities for excellence in ingredients" = cheese.

I don't know! The quality of the meat matters, for sure, but in Cubaland we tend to use lots of spice combinations in most foods. I've tasted plenty of burgers with subtle flavors.

It definitely wasn't about the quality of the meat... whatever's cheapest

Yeah. I wasn't thinking of the raw meat, but the finished product.

it involved a cast-iron pan, lots of seasoning, and a lifetime of cooking experience

Yup. That's what I'm talking about.

So if bbq is not grilling then what is it?

slow n low, that's the tempo

meat, often the whole or a large part of the animal, cooked slowly. it can happen in a grill, smoker, pit, wood-fired oven, etc.

But not stewed in a pot?

that's tricky, but I think it could be in the sense that you'd bbq the meat before adding it to the pot.

or grilling them while stewed on pot

Right now it's probably hamburgers for me. There's pizza that I truly love, but Austin, TX, while generally a great food town, is horrible for pizza. Lots of great burger options though, so that's what I go for.

I think we already did this, but I thought home slice was pretty good when I visited.

So if bbq is not grilling then what is it?

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Friday, March 30, 2018 8:02 PM (thirty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

In America, "barbecue" or "bbq" signifies a cuisine in addition to or instead of a cooking implement or social gathering. That cuisine generally involves slow cooking by means of indirect-heat "smoking" (except in some tertiary regional traditions that involve slow cooking via a combination of direct grilling and indirect smoking), and therefore "barbecue" is not an appropriate description of food that is not slow smoked but only grilled on what some term a 'barbecue'.

my preferences for a good burger (i apologize in advance because i realize i take my burgers too/very seriously):

1. quality of the meat -- you can ground your own meat from different parts of the cattle and this is where the difference comes in. the way you raise a cattle is of course important. places like kobe, famous for their beef, the so-called wagyu beef. part of this is of course the level of marbling, which i understand everyone has a preference of, but higher quality meats will have a certain tenderness and flavour to them (the famous "sweet" taste of japanese meat, for example). pre-grounded beef at the supermarket is obviously he lowest quality meat, but has another thing going for it: it is about the ritual and shared experience of being out with friends and family grilling patties. likewise, with cheap beer. both of these cheap options are things a lot of north americans like and prefer because of its ritualistic nature, which is fine by me and i will eat them and enjoy this aspect of it. however, my preference is to eat grounded meat from higher quality parts and cattle, where the fat content (marbling), tenderness and taste are emphasized. this is a monumentally difficult task and something pizza does not have to deal with

2. bun -- another thing that is very difficult due to its varieties. some people like brioche, some people like dessert bread-style buns, some generic dry stuff, maybe even ciabatta. i have had burgers with pastry buns and didn't like them one bit and ruined almost the entire experience. making your own buns, softness, thickness, and flavour plays an important part in balancing out the meat flavour

3. dressings/add-ons -- this is a little easier because my palate is used to bottled/canned stuff when eating burgers due to the meat's complex aroma and taste, it helps cut some of the depths of flavour. however, i will prefer in-house/made ketchup, fresh ingredients such as mushrooms, and non-processed cheese

my slight obsession with burgers has led me to taste many types of burgers in the places i have lived and visited, and while i recognize that there is a lot of subjectivity involved, these are my current favourites in los angeles and the surrounding areas:

1. stout (hollywood)
2. congregation (pasadena)
3. the golden state -- i haven't been in a while though
5. plan check (sawtelle area) -- consistently decent
5. bachi burger -- this was in sawtelle and when i first went to it maybe 4 years ago, it was one of the best burgers i had ever tasted. sadly i went back a few times trying to get that same taste and every time it was worse, til they changed names/ownership to ohana and then everything was disgusting

my favourite butchershops in los angeles:

a cut above butchershop
huntington meats

however, consistency and being able to replicate the same burger experience is difficult. maybe it's my mood and what i ate before that day or week, but my palate does change. sometimes burger joints serve a lemon. but i know i do not hold the ultimate truth and that eating a burger -- at a new establishment or at my regular spots -- is an opportunity to learn something new. there are a lot of burgers out there, and i hope to continue eating many of them wherever life may take me

in the meantime, i hope everyone has a nice good friday and enjoys eating a bit of fish or seafood today

I would guess that there are slightly more American cities where you can find a great burger than great pizza, and vastly more European cities where you can find great pizza than a great burger.

Prompted by this thread, I just went to Elevation Burger for the first time and ate an Elevation Burger. It was horrible.

The lesson, obviously, is pizza.

Elevation burger is indeed horrible, they didn't last long over here.

SG, I think I got some slices at Home Slice some years ago and it was pretty decent, but it's a long way for me to drive to get some pizza.

when i was a teenager we were pretty broke and i used to eat 99cent Tostino's pizza you could cook in the microwave. for what it was, it was damn good.

two bells tavern in seattle makes (made?) a decent burger.

they closed on New Year's Eve, thanks Amazon

5. plan check (sawtelle area) -- consistently decent

there are Plan Checks in Fairfax and Santa Monica too ime

Yes. Been to those locations as well

Honourable mention: Rounds Premium Burgers in Pasadena as well

There’s that one burger place in Santa Monica that looks like a barn which is decent enough but I only went once and remember it being very pricey for an exceptionally small burger

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

not being pizza is nothing to be ashamed of, hamburger

Jordan how was your Impossible experience?

Pizza, Fuck yeah. Hamburgers are a reward from a tired parent.

Ok, so the impossible burger is in no way on par with a good restaurant burger, but it does do a good job of replicating an overcooked backyard grill-out burger. Or maybe a fast food burger, I don't really eat those enough to know.

It was fine, but for the price ($16 w/fries where I went, vs $13 for the real meat version!) I would definitely not do it again. It seems like it's for a relatively small group of people (moral/practical vegetarians who miss the taste of beef).

solid results btw

i agree.

This wouldn't be as good with a pizza

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQbyvrFUQAEoPZG.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQbyvrFUQAEoPZG.jpg

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