"If you can smoke and drink while doing it, it's not a sport" - a thread for BOSCH

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Anyone else watch season 4 yet?

Finished it last night. It was very good, but I feel like it ends in a way that would allow me to walk away if season 5 (which has been promised) is uninspiring.

I've only read like 3 of the books, so there's always that.

just finished ep 4....

I lost interest mid first season due to serial killer fatigue. Is it worth picking up with s2?

I certainly think so. I am also mid-S4 and have no regrets.

just wrapped season 4. really solid season. simon I think season 1 is the weakest but i still liked it.

I love the books, but I've never managed to get into the show, or Welliver's portrayal. It's well-made but I've never been gripped enough to keep watching.

That said, this season is part-based on Angels Flight, my favourite of the Bosch books, so I'll give it yet another try. Is it ok for someone who's only seen the opening episodes of every season?

you may miss some context on some character arcs / story lines but i think you could easily fill in the blanks as you go.

Will this help to fill the Justified-shaped hole in my life? I’ve read the first two Bosch books and liked them but didn’t feel the need for any more.

Is the show funnier than the books, I guess is what I’m asking.

cant answer that v accurately as i havent read the books. but i did watch justified and i dont think this quiiiite scratches that same itch. maybe a little but bosch is not nearly as magnetic/dynamic as raylan was.

Season 4 feels a little padded (better to disperse the padding evenly throughout than to shoot entire episodes of pure padding I guess) but agreed, it's solid and catchy. I keep finding myself expecting Marlo to order somebody executed.

Nothing close to the humor and rich, good-natured ain't-humanity-somethingism of Justified, though. This is a show about people in bad moods wearing business attire and talking to each other on cell phones.

I don't know why but I always pictured Bosch as Jon Polito

http://cdn2us.denofgeek.com/sites/denofgeekus/files/styles/main_wide/public/2016/09/jon-polito-rip.jpg

Will this help to fill the Justified-shaped hole in my life?

yes

we just finished the last season. Jamie Hector is fantastic in this. So are the guys playing Crate & Barrel. Bosch and Billets and Chief Irving are good but not as much fun as the aforementioned.

There are a several moments in Season 4 that are really all-time - so much rewinding just to see it again

Season 5 premiere tonight!

In the meantime:
All the LA Bars and Restaurants Featured in Modern Noir Cop Show Bosch
https://la.eater.com/maps/bosch-amazon-prime-show-restaurants-bars-film-locations

yes! gonna crank this season out over the next week for sure.

Bosch really gets in some trouble this time around

im about halfway through s5

had to go back in this thread and check to make sure I didn't already post about how every season combines plots and characters from multiple books, which are also good.

this show rules, only have watched first episode of season 5 but first 4 all solid, love the location shooting too (rip Smog Cutter)

Just finished the new season. Really good.

was drinking some groundwork when i watched ep1. also an ND law mug. so many ties.

Still not sure what exactly was the purpose of the plane expeditions

Yeah, the whole scheme seemed like a lot of work for relatively little reward.

Forgive the thread spam, but I wanted to note that this show's 2019 season is nominated in the 2019 ILX TV poll:

ILX's Best Television of 2019 Poll / VOTING AND CAMPAIGNING THREAD / Voting Ends January 31

If you like this show and you'd like to see it have a good showing in the poll (running in February) all you need to do is submit a ballot including it and your other favorites (4 minimum, 25 maximum, organized by your favorite to least favorite) to forksclovetofu at gmail by end of day today. It'll take five minutes; get to it!

https://deadline.com/2020/02/bosch-renewed-7th-final-season-amazon-1202859488/

7th season will be the last

perfect

Those words you have wanted to hear: Bosch season 6 trailer
https://youtu.be/bTGPN0Ugt8A

excellent!

looks corny as hell, gonna be great

season 6 is out. 2 eps in. bosch looks a little more ripped than past seasons is my only takeaway so far.

This is the Overlook, right? Connelly’s wannabe 24 novella that was serialised in the nyt. (Its good, though.)

Bosch is back, baby!

I feel like all the seasons have been contemporaneous in recent memory for me, but the fact the daughter character is somehow an adult now is jarring

But I mean, the pilot came out in early 2014 and it’s now 2020, so...

i like that there's 2nd-tier cast character-typology overlap with brooklyn 99

Eight episodes in. I like the b-plots with the Haitian underworld and Maddie/Honey Chandler, but I'm really missing the Nickel Diner downtown.

is the Los Angles Ace Hotel the new Mondrian or Standard or w/e when it comes to "semi-famous and some shit's going down here" now?

bosch is such a judgmental dick

bosch is good, i liked it when he quietly radiated conviction so hard his daughter became a fascist too

i enjoyed the last season even if half of it was just wrapping up loose threads from the previous season. i feel like in the middle seasons they started to move slightly away from the COPS ARE ALWAYS RIGHT AND ANYONE WHO GETS IN THEIR WAY IS EVIL philosophy, but they really circled back to it in the end. i loved maddie and honey chandler continuously having to explain the basics of the u.s. justice system to bosch. why would criminals need defense attorneys? need i remind you that COPS ARE ALWAYS RIGHT AND ANYONE WHO GETS IN THEIR WAY IS EVIL. also wasn't crazy about them making j. edgar a proponent of vigilante justice at the very last minute.

also wasn't crazy about them making j. edgar a proponent of vigilante justice at the very last minute.

lol I got kinda teary-eyed at that tbh -- like, wishing for him to say, "you want things to be one way, but it's the other way"

someone in the S7 trailer mentions stringer bell. very disrespectful to pull that shit with jamie hector imo!!

last season comes out friday :(

Just started S07E04 and I think I'm binging the whole season today.

3 episodes in and liking it. The person I thought was gonna be the Big Bad is...not. Curious how the B-plot is gonna tie in, too.

Finished last night. I’ll wait til some more are done.

A little bit of background on the real-life event that Connelly used for The Burning Room (S7 is based on it)
https://www.dailynews.com/2017/02/06/lapd-announces-arrests-in-1993-arson-fire-that-claimed-12-lives/

INCEL COPS

Bosch is such a boomer cool dad caricature, particularly this season - but I guess that makes him realistic. He reminds me of so many people around me.
Sad to see this ensemble go and it will definitely leave a hole in my TV landscape - this was such a welcome break from blue-tinged scandi-noir copycats.
I guess they could launch a reboot with a new cast for Bosch's second act - god knows there is enough material around.

The spinoff show is already being shot, will be on Amazon’s IMDb TV service (content shows up in the Amazon Prime apps),

https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/bosch-imdb-tv-spin-off-show-release-date-cast-news

i found the last season mildly disappointing, too focused on revisiting old characters instead of presenting a compelling crime story.

I liked the final season well enough, though it seemed like they wrote the end first and then had to get there any way they could — a lot of stuff seemed telescoped or handwaved in the final couple of episodes. Not gonna be watching the spinoff. Might read more of the books now, though.

yah the season seemed rushed, especially the last couple of episodes.

Oh wow didn't know about the "spinoff" which sounds just like a phase 2 continuation of the series. All is well

Forgive the thread spam, but I wanted to note that this show's 2021 season is nominated in the ILX TV poll, with voting ending this weekend:

ILX's Best Television of 2021 Poll / VOTING AND CAMPAIGNING THREAD / Voting Ends After January 31, 2022

If you like this show and you'd like to see it have a good showing in the poll (running in February) all you need to do is submit a ballot including it and your other favorites (3 minimum, 25 maximum, ranked by your favorite to least favorite) to forksclovetofu at gmail. It'll take five minutes; get to it!

Watching three shows with Lance Reddick as a cop boss right now, need to find him playing something else for a change of pace.

he was very funny in Corporate, playing a different role that is kind of a spoof of the part he usually plays

lol, at least he is believable as a tv police chief

I read many of the Michael Connelly Bosch novels years ago, but have been working my way through them again recently as audiobooks. I’m up through The Closers (2005), the 11th I think.

Listening to them in the middle of the night when I haven’t been able to sleep has been comforting. I’m always looking forward to the next book.

I haven’t seen the TV series yet and am not sure I want to at this point

Lol, I’m the opposite. Read only 1 of the books ages ago. The TV series is excellent (we’ll, at least thru S3).

It's pretty good, great cast and more than most cop shows (outside of CBS dramas) there's a discomfort you have to face in rooting for the kind of cop you'd probably really hate IRL because Titus Welliver is so charismatic.

Season 2
The security guard/bad guy mastermind was too oily and obviously the villain from his first appearance, six episodes before Bosch figures it out - can't decide if that was on purpose or if the actor overplayed it.

I already have such a mental picture of who Harry Bosch, Kizmin Ryder, Jerry Edgar, Irvin Irving, Terry McCaleb, Graciela Rivers, Buddy Lockridge, Jack McEvoy, Teresa Corazόn, Keisha Russell, Grace Billets etc etc are from the books

also Eleanor Wish and Rachel Walling

I was surprised when the S2 villain was revealed but I'm also kind of dumb

The TV show does a great job of wrapping up some story lines within a season while carrying other storylines - like the murder of Bosch’s mother - across seasons.

damn, Jamie Hector is 46.

Had no idea this was going to be out so soon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhGY8P8geiw

just going in on s7, 9 mins in and no crimes get on with it get on with it

less jazz more drive-bys

S7 was the weakest but still worth watching. As someone said earlier ITT, they kinda speed thru the S7 plot in order to wrap up a bunch of storylines. Several callbacks to characters from previous seasons. But still worth watching…

Well, watching once lol

Halfway through S5, it’s a slight letdown compared to 3 & 4. New Bosch series starts on IMDB TV lol next month?

kinda bored of lance riddick's shtick tbh, he's better than what he's bothering to give

"all units! intitiate! initiate!" dude just say "go! go!"

don't make me tap the use other words thread

Lol I forgot Lance Reddick was in this show. Dude plays such a similar role in Bosch, The Wire, Fringe... he just fits seamlessly and imperceptibly into any number of police-adjacent shows

bosch is being an ARSE HOLE at jerry atm imo

blimey

^^^ is what i just said out loud

love to call in a special master lol

Yeah Bosch is a self-righteous asshole at times and it sucks when it’s aimed a Jerry.

the incel plotline seems dumb to me

Very weird when Bosch's daughter and her friend meet the lawyer and start fangirl/boying out.

I've been reading the books and Bosch is also not that nice to his next partner Ignacio Ferras - The Overlook (2007), The Brass Verdict (2008), and Nine Dragons (2009)

Nine Dragons, focusing on his daughter in Hong Kong, is one of Connelly's more memorable stories

I quit around the time of The Crossing as they were getting a bit samey and daft, but I wonder if they got better again. Agree 9 Dragons was a fun one, very 80s action movie – also Angels Flight, the only one where he lets his writerly pretentions get ahead of him, doing a mini-Day of the Locust riff. It’s really good! Don’t watch the show as I don’t enjoy watching Welliver.

i kinda hate maddie tho she is a p plausible daughter of her dad i guess

I like that her introduction was “I haven’t seen my daughter since she was three, she’s good I guess IDK” and then it turns out she’s somehow exactly like her father. Strong genes.

you can tell by the size of his head

I'm really liking the Mickey Haller series (The Lincoln Lawyer, The Brass Verdict, The Reversal and The Fifth Witness so far). There is some overlap between Bosch and Haller in the novels, because *spoiler* we learn they are half brothers. Is he much of a figure in the streaming series?

No but the first season of The Lincoln Lawyer is dropping on Netflix in a couple of weeks

lol i just watched the final ep w/o realising it even was the final ep, thinking "oh this incel strand wound up strangely early"

(i was pretty sleepy, maybe i slept thru the highlights)

(this was last night, i'm watching it again to see what i missed)

(ok turns out i hadn't watched the last ep at all, netflix must have played it to the end while the screen was off)

lol it's a banger

anyway in conclusion, bosch is a DICK

Watching Reacher before starting Bosch was a mistake, I keep hoping for him to go sicko mode and he hasn’t really done that since throwing the bad captain through a window.

it mildly grinds me that his dog is called coltrane but he never listens to coltrane -- it's always plangently melancholy late-nite old-times-were-best spot-the-tune jazz

which is fine, i like it too, but just sometimes he shd throw on interstellar space

i like maddie, not a great actress if i'm being "objective" but she captures a lot of mannerisms i see in my daughter so she is capturing "something." looking forward to more honey chandler in the new series!

legacy now

hope it's a bit nippier on its pins than PICARD

maddie getting a v hard time from all the non-baby cops is funny and she deserves it bcz she annoys me

ambushed by unexpected jackie chiles lol

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me chuckling at this spry* and toned character meant to be 90+

checking the actor: william devane, a pretty spry and toned 82 tbf (son of FDR's chauffeur, played robert kennedy in macbird in 1966)

*i mean yes he's in a wheelchair

(i am the only ilxor who's ever mentioned or maybe even thought abt macbird, a very forgotten item i imagine, which is nevertheless oddly important to me)

(nothing to do with BOSCH tho)

ok, started the first episode of the new series

I’m thinking “hmm, ok I can deal with this” so far, but then the credits hit and wtf is this theme song

yeah the title sequence visually is a decent successor to the orig but the music is a hard miss
4 episodes in this just feels like a more or less natural S8 vs a reboot S1
not bad, still waiting to see where it goes
as a resident just love the location shooting, always on point, Maddie running around the Hollywood Reservoir just makes me think of my own jaunts around there

his fedora-guy sidekick isnt doing it for me, where is cheech marin when u need him

idk i kinda like his vibe but he is a bit "low energy"

i'm only two in maybe i'll warm to him, he seems a bit pre-formed

he rings sort of true in a weird la way to me

haha that could also be entirely true

William Devane! One of the first 'character' actors who ever made an impression on me as the villain in Hitchcock's Family Plot, which I saw at the cinema when I was ten or so. Great to hear he's still working.

he's looking great for 82!

we get a little crate and barrel cameo in s4, as a treat

the credit sequences sucks as badly the as the song, the old one was so good :(

lol at maddie actuallying her dad on latin pronunciation, yeah, neither of you are close

Bosch starting to lecture Jerry on going too far… c’mon, man

*rescreening* S7 now because i don't remember anything about the new season bad guy and his connection to the failed hit on Money Chandler. Streaming/binging habits are bad for short term memories. Also, William Devane post-Kennedy career to me is his turn on 24 as Sec of Defense/POTUS/Dementia patient, 24 is also the last series i went this deep into late seasons. hmmmmmm.....

he's pretty shadowy in s7!

they recast the role of Rogers for this season, that's part of the wtf (actually it's just me and my senility)

Watching the S7 recap at the start of "Legacy". There are characters called Franzen, Chandler and... Carl Rogers?

"Carl Rogers, you're under arrest", an actual line of dialogue

https://www.oshonews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/Carl-Rogers.jpg

I'm reading Connelly's second Jack McEvoy novel The Scarecrow (2009) right now. The first was The Poet (1996), one of Connelly's most memorable books. He has said he doesn't love delving into McEvoy because "he is easily the most autobiographical character I have ever written about"

McEvoy is an investigative journalist and also appears in the Bosch/McCaleb novel A Darkness More Than Night (2001) and along with Bosch in the Mickey Haller novel The Brass Verdict (2008). Connelly also wrote a third novel featuring him in Fair Warning (2020), which I haven't read yet

lol finished rewatching s7 and i still don't really understand the underpinning of the new season plot but i'll just assume it's a The Big Sleep thing here it's best not to try to make the puzzle make sense and just enjoy the ride

it does feel big-sleepy! needs more orchids in a hothouse to make bosch sweat uneasily

i'd love more flirty scenes a la Dorothy Malone's bookstore clerk and the horny female cab driver but Bosch is way too leathery and stolid to pull that off. that's why i would love a Santiago spinoff with him and the punky bartender getting some real screentime.

has there ever been a good or interesting take on the russian gangster as the new mafia concept ?

(this version is bad and boring) (og law and order had some entertaining characters now and then i guess in the 00s, this doesn't have that either)

the procedural drama in the o/g series was hardly sparkling or boldly original but legacy REALLY misses it: hours of the newly minted PI and his high-end lawyer foe-chum tippytoeing round warehouses and whatnot to catch the crims at it is NO SUBSTITUTE AT ALL

also where is maddy this ep, i dont even love her sections but

Watched the first episode and it definitely feels like a cheap knockoff of the original. Don't give a fuck about Maddie's police training; there's already a whole procedural about that on network tv — it's called The Rookie and it's dull as shit, too. Bosch without a badge is just an old crank, and honestly I don't think the show has the budget to actually film his house sliding down the hill by season's end so I suspect that's just a distraction. Willam Devane in his wheelchair looks kind of amazingly like John McCain.

lol baby bosch is in this flashback ep and he's a belligerent prick

(good casting tho tbh)

show frantic to have it both ways re bad-apple cops and not in a deft or an interesting way really

So if enjoyed Bosch non-legacy version but don't really care about the Bosch extended universe, should I put legacy in my viewing queue? most comments ITT are on the negative side...

not really feeling it adds anything tbh

i will watch the series out probably bcz who wants to be left hanging but

its bad and the theme song is bad

ima still watch it tho

TY. Think I’ll spend my limited TV time elsewhere and enjoy the memories from the original series.

watching bosch: legacy sandwiched between la reina del sur s2 and better call saul (with ulvede on the news) is not doing bosch: legacy any favours at all

i mean uvalde

wow waterboarder war criminal bosch flashback was unexpected, so many bad decisions in this show

Haven't watched the streaming show yet, but I've been listening to the books in order and have gotten up to the 17th Harry Bosch novel, The Burning Room.

It is the first one read by Titus Welliver. I don't know how he is as an actor, maybe ok, but as a narrator he is an incredible bore. It really puts a damper on the whole series

I want to like the remaining 7 novels. It's a reminder to me how important the narrator is with audiobooks

xpost I really liked Welliver as Bosch in the TV series.

he's very watchable but it's kind of a recessive minimalism with the other more expressive characters as foils: i can easily see it getting tiresome when he does everyone else and the narration

Bosch going full on Jack Bauer (sort of) out of nowhere not a great shift for the series

yeah this series is dumb and bad

did we already know he was a vet? i dont remember anything abt it on the show (i haven't read the books)

yeah that’s why I qualified slightly
They did reference his special forces background in Iraq and Afghanistan (how he took out the S3 baddie and how he was a credible vet junkie in S6) but still …..

Sad to hear this isn’t good. Not even sure I’m gonna give it a shot. Might just leave things be and enjoy my mems of the og series.

I think the loss of the great supporting cast is what hurts it the most + really can’t stand that phoney “jazz cat” Mo (urgh)

In the earlier iteration of the show I’d hope the goes Bauer scene would be a set-up for reflecting on what his time in special ops did for his sense of why he became a cop, why being a PI is a better fit for his moral crusade, but that bit about red tape or whatever and Maddie pondering what it means to be a “good cop” in just about every scene, in parallel with Chandler basically being cool with having a guy murdered despite having some bad dreams…sigh

His military background is all over the original series.

lol is it? lucky for me there isn't a test i guess

the dumbest thing for me in this season is how utterly pointless and perfunctory the J Edgar cameo is. The Crate and Barrel scenes at least had a tiny bit of the old flair.

Watched the first one last night, it's hard to pin down exactly what's wrong - everything's just a bit off. When Bosch is talking to the coroner buddy, his manner is wrong and there's this real ugly shot and reverse at the end. Bosch was always AMC basic cable but this is more USA Network.

Maddie is... not a good actor?

She should have gone to law school and the show picks up with her just passing the bar and working as a lawyer under Mimi Rogers, that's more believable than cop.

Early USA Network at that

Yeah she basically has a few modes and they are not suited to expressing very much (although I guess I’m holding out hope that her main mode, the indignant one, will strengthen her arc as it currently just feels like an awkward fit which could be fun to explore)

many xps

the very first Bosch book, Black Echo (1992), was about his flashbacks from his days as an infantryman in Viet Nam clearing enemy tunnel complexes

Dan S, yeah, the time shift from the novels to the tv show (and the desire to have Bosch be more virile, as opposed to elderly) made him a post-9/11 soldier in the middle east ... as opposed to a Vietnam vet, in a less elite unit and ... actually, I forget whether he enlisted or was drafted? The switch in military background (from Nam to Bush 2 Crusade) was something that always was a little cringeworthy for me in the series, (along with Maddie's acting, and the amount of screentime she was given) even though, more than most book-to-TV series, the original Bosch was really faithful and a good adaptation of the books.

Bosch’s hepcat helper is pretty rough going.

I keep pretending he's the Nightlife character from the Achewood comics

it's very unkind to suggest that he's fedora guy but he kind of is fedora guy

I like his rookie partner, Lucia Soto, who first appears in The Burning Room

I keep pretending he's the Nightlife character from the Achewood comics

I don't know anything about Achewood but holy shit that is spot on.

https://www.achewood.com/index.php?date=06202003

Bosch and Nightlife trading jazz names is even more awkward than Crate and Barrel starting to Remember Some Movies And Movie Guys around season 4.

Art Pepper, man…

Titus Welliver's narration of The Burning Room has put me to sleep more than once over the last week and a half, but I finally finished it and am warming to him slightly as a narrator

It's nice to see Bosch, Honey, even Maddie again... but yeah, this season felt really off. They had like six different storylines that would usually be given to six different characters but with the tiny cast, the mains each got 2 or 3 different stories. very weird to have what seemed like the A-story (Bratva) abruptly wrap up mid-season. the Bosch vs. the assassin stuff was terrible, so out-of-place for this show. theme song and incidental music were also noticeably bad

I don't think the show has the budget to actually film his house sliding down the hill

No, but they tried their best with that terrible oil plant explosion shot

maybe I'm picking on it too much though. I would watch another season, it had enough Bosch essence for me

any one else watch the Lincoln Lawyer series?

Yeah, I watched it. It was supposed to be a network show orginally, I think, and it definitely had that feel. But it wasn't terrible.

Have watched 7 seasons of the OG show over the last few months and had a total blast. Agree that S7 was rushed and a bit of a mess but enjoyed a snarling Bosch handing over his badge at the end. Like a few others have said, I desperately wanted to see more of Bosch (and Captain Reddick) in action but the overriding tone of interactions in the whole show is suppressed rage so it figures.

Things:
- like mark s, I frequently found myself saying 'but he doesn't ever *listen* to Coltrane!
- did Bosch ever sleep in a bed in the whole show?
- I have been learning to move like Jimmy Santiago and
- if there's a spin-off, I'd watch Jimmy just sitting on a bar stool
- where does Edgar by his shirts?

Wait, Santiago Robertson, obvs.

I know it's happening in multiple places but goddamn Irv :(

https://uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/lance-bosch.gif

Normally a new season of Bosch was timed well enough to come out when I was dissatisfied with much of what I've been watching. Not sure if I trust season 2 of Legacy.

The Bosch Legacy theme song is even worse than the plot of the first two episodes of Season 2.

I'm really put off by the continual Maddie-in-danger plots. Straight-up women in refrigerators shit.

Actually thought this new season was not bad. Maddie-in-danger story wraps up fast and most of the season is a separate story with some surprises. Theme music is still awful, no fixing that

hark... tis the sound of a new song singin... decent first ep tho

Hope you mean by that that they've changed the terrible theme song

unfortunately… no

ballard is not awful

Agree, they didn’t embarrass themselves