US Politics, July 2018: FART

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grawlix (unperson), Monday, 2 July 2018 00:36 (seven years ago)

Trump is trying to blow up the WTO with the Fair And Reciprocal Trade Act. I am not making that up.

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 2 July 2018 00:36 (seven years ago)

https://m.sfgate.com/news/article/Man-arrested-after-shouting-womp-womp-and-13041785.php

Οὖτις, Monday, 2 July 2018 01:22 (seven years ago)

What's up, bootlickers

Simon H., Monday, 2 July 2018 01:44 (seven years ago)

Technically it's USFARTA

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 2 July 2018 01:54 (seven years ago)

i hope he has a stroke

global tetrahedron, Monday, 2 July 2018 02:04 (seven years ago)

Splitting California into seven blue states should be the reasonable, moderate position we settle for when we're not able to totally abolish the Senate https://t.co/TgjSUfx5A4 by @seanilling @davidmfaris pic.twitter.com/NKmmK8KbAO

— Jon Schwarz (@schwarz) July 1, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 July 2018 02:21 (seven years ago)

Coil someone enlighten me on the pronunciation of “whomp whomp”? I’m not sure I get it.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 2 July 2018 03:04 (seven years ago)

I didn't know either until the Lewandowski thing blew up. Apparently it's how the "sad trombone" sound is spelled.

a shomin-geki poster with some horror elements (WilliamC), Monday, 2 July 2018 03:06 (seven years ago)

More of a ‘whamp whaaaamp whaaaaaaa’ in my book but what do I know. Perhaps we need an emoji.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 2 July 2018 03:13 (seven years ago)

i've always thought that sitcom effect was a clarinet or oboe btw

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 July 2018 03:20 (seven years ago)

Appropriate commentary for US Politics, July 2018: FART

Evan, Monday, 2 July 2018 04:04 (seven years ago)

Ever wonder what Tim Geithner's been up to?

Mass-mailing checks to strangers might seem like risky business, but Mariner Finance occupies a fertile niche in the U.S. economy. The company enables some of the nation’s wealthiest investors and investment funds to make money offering high-interest loans to cash-strapped Americans.

Mariner Finance is owned and managed by a $11.2 billion private equity fund controlled by Warburg Pincus, a storied New York firm. The president of Warburg Pincus is Timothy F. Geithner, who, as treasury secretary in the Obama administration, condemned predatory lenders. The firm’s co-chief executives, Charles R. Kaye and Joseph P. Landy, are established figures in New York’s financial world. The minimum investment in the fund is $20 million.

“It’s basically a way of monetizing poor people,” said John Lafferty, who was a manager trainee at a Mariner Finance branch for four months in 2015 in Nashville. His misgivings about the business echoed those of other former employees contacted by The Washington Post. “Maybe at the beginning, people thought these loans could help people pay their electric bill. But it has become a cash cow.”

Simon H., Monday, 2 July 2018 05:20 (seven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkIWZzMTEJU

Stevolende, Monday, 2 July 2018 09:01 (seven years ago)

Grrrrrrrrrr

suzy, Monday, 2 July 2018 09:38 (seven years ago)

from El Tomboto yesterday:

if you talk about trump winning re-election please punch yourself in the genitalia

Part of my morning workout!

Where are the 1987 Korea style protests demanding direct popular elections?

scuse me, a pig just flew past the window

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 2 July 2018 12:25 (seven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cf7G8SMsRTM

It take a big bean but butte, we'll surely rumble
Take a big bean but butte, we'll surely rumble
Take a big bean but butte, we'll surely rumble
King Kong will fall as will the great wall
And the whole damn town will crumble

There's a war goin' on
Don't know why I call the fight to dawn
Riotin', lootin' suburbia
Urban rowdies, disturbia, yeah

Last call, last call from home
Can't stop Godzilla
Can't stop Godzilla

Fishbone’s original guitarist, Kendall Jones, explained to Rolling Stone, “When Norwood wrote it, he introduced it to the band saying, ‘Man, I’ve been hearing about all these Nazi right-wing groups on the news saying the Holocaust was staged. So what if America said it never dropped two atom bombs on Japan, that it was actually Godzilla popping a couple off?’

Who knew?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 2 July 2018 12:25 (seven years ago)

is there a Mexican politics thread?

Simon H., Monday, 2 July 2018 12:35 (seven years ago)

the world cup thread for the next two hours is the mexico thread tbf

imago, Monday, 2 July 2018 13:27 (seven years ago)

the comments on Huntsville TV station's facebook page about this story are... something else

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Monday, 2 July 2018 14:58 (seven years ago)

on some real galaxy brain **actually, it's the protesters' faults for being so close to a man who was legally carrying his firearm. i guess the Huntsville PD is just going to arbitrarily pick and choose which laws they want to enforce**

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Monday, 2 July 2018 15:02 (seven years ago)

is this sparta

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 2 July 2018 15:16 (seven years ago)

fine lookin neckbeard on our womp womp friend

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 2 July 2018 15:23 (seven years ago)

i'm sure the GOP will recruit him to run for an AL house district when he's done being jammed up by the state

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Monday, 2 July 2018 15:30 (seven years ago)

from El Tomboto yesterday:

/if you talk about trump winning re-election please punch yourself in the genitalia/

Part of my morning workout!

/Where are the 1987 Korea style protests demanding direct popular elections?/

scuse me, a pig just flew past the window


Lol I appreciate you man

El Tomboto, Monday, 2 July 2018 19:00 (seven years ago)

¡Viva AMLO!

devops mom (silby), Monday, 2 July 2018 19:01 (seven years ago)

viva mexico

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 2 July 2018 20:38 (seven years ago)

¿cómo se dice “otm” en español?

devops mom (silby), Monday, 2 July 2018 20:42 (seven years ago)

eed

com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Monday, 2 July 2018 20:50 (seven years ago)

.@SenKamalaHarris, why are you supporting the animals of MS-13? You must not know what ICE really does. Here is a link to help you out: https://t.co/kcrNj4aVMU

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) July 2, 2018

spicy

frogbs, Monday, 2 July 2018 20:51 (seven years ago)

dread the nickname he will inevitably give her

Οὖτις, Monday, 2 July 2018 20:53 (seven years ago)

i reported that tweet for harassment

meanwhile there are a bunch of congress folk spending america’s birthday in... russia?

As 7 Republican lawmakers get ready to celebrate the 4th of July in #Russia, hoping to meet with Putin, remember this:@SenJohnKennedy (LA)@SenShelby (AL) @SteveDaines (MT)@SenJohnHoeven (ND) @SenJohnThune (SD) @JerryMoran (KS)@RepKayGranger (TX)https://t.co/5XLxyehvKg

— Julia Davis (@JuliaDavisNews) July 1, 2018

maura, Monday, 2 July 2018 21:04 (seven years ago)

i’m sure it’s a coincidence that most of the senators are on the senate appropriations committee and granger chairs the house appropriations defense subcommittee

maura, Monday, 2 July 2018 21:08 (seven years ago)

of course you’re going to spend the country’s biggest holiday trying to suck off putin

maura, Monday, 2 July 2018 21:09 (seven years ago)

surplus capital seeks new markets and if a few eggs get broken hey

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 2 July 2018 23:42 (seven years ago)

In Soviet Russia, EGGS BREAK YOU!

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 2 July 2018 23:47 (seven years ago)

oh no the Angry Left interrupts another dinner

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/395267-woman-confronts-pruitt-at-restaurant-tells-him-to-resign

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 03:24 (seven years ago)

(sorry, lunch)

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 03:25 (seven years ago)

how did she make it past his secret service lunch detail

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 03:29 (seven years ago)

On this issue - the evils of the US/UK/Saudi war on Yemen - @ChrisMurphyCT has been unyieldingly great. And he didn't just start caring about it on 1/20/2017. He's been vocal and persistent in trying to stop the heinous atrocities the US has been fueling there for years: https://t.co/4ftx0ECrdC

— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) July 2, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 03:41 (seven years ago)

how did she make it past his secret service lunch detail

I don't think the Director of the EPA rates a Secret Service detail. All he has are ordinary hired goons, who have much less legal authority than the Secret Service. If she posed no clear and present danger and they tackled her, she could swear out a complaint for assault.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 03:48 (seven years ago)

...and Tactical Pants!

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 04:43 (seven years ago)

what do you do when you keep seeing the same person you barely know in the hallway and you're sick of figuring out whether to make eye contact or just demote yourself to a staring-at-shoes posture?

use your tactical pants

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 04:46 (seven years ago)

"Tactical pants" sounds like a pragmatic measure against knowing you will inadvertently soil yourself at some point during the day.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 06:25 (seven years ago)

I thought tactical pants actually meant $1,500 worth of neat $40 trousers for each of the security detail for tactical wear at posyh events or something similar. Though I think I may have one of those monetary figures a bit off.
But it does show taht Pruitt has a way larger security ensemble than he needs, though maybe any security at all would be larger than he needed. Or hypothetically if he wasn't wasting this much taxpayers' money.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 08:39 (seven years ago)

I understand why he might want tactical pants, because Pruitt knows he more than most that his enemies will be aiming for the dick.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 12:27 (seven years ago)

When we have an “infestation” of MS-13 GANGS in certain parts of our country, who do we send to get them out? ICE! They are tougher and smarter than these rough criminal elelments that bad immigration laws allow into our country. Dems do not appreciate the great job they do! Nov.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 3, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 12:38 (seven years ago)

ICE's core original element don't appreciate the job the goon squad elements are being made to do/doing all too willingly. Do they?

Stevolende, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 12:46 (seven years ago)

lmao at this new GOP line that only ICE can apprehend foreign criminals

frogbs, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 13:00 (seven years ago)

criminals can be apprehended by the police iirc

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 13:02 (seven years ago)

you can't spell Police without ICE now can you?

Stevolende, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 13:06 (seven years ago)

Nov.

raise my chicken finger (Willl), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 13:16 (seven years ago)

a Scotia

this ukulele annoys fascists (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 13:20 (seven years ago)

Nover Mind the Bollocks.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 13:24 (seven years ago)

Where are the 1987 Korea style protests demanding direct popular elections?

scuse me, a pig just flew past the window

― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius)

sorry if i'm vaguebooking, i don't want anything i say to be taken the wrong way, but korea has a different history from the united states and that history affects the actions of people there

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 13:49 (seven years ago)

Now that Harley-Davidson is moving part of its operation out of the U.S., my Administration is working with other Motor Cycle companies who want to move into the U.S. Harley customers are not happy with their move - sales are down 7% in 2017. The U.S. is where the Action is!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 3, 2018

Harley customers so pissed they went back in time to lower the previous year's sales

frogbs, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 14:45 (seven years ago)

speeding motorcycle, won't you change history

This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 15:33 (seven years ago)

https://metvcdn.metv.com/hqWvs-1443478183-blog-75.jpg

Get aboard the flappy bird, departing gate 19 (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 16:11 (seven years ago)

i'll copy this from trump/russia thread. is this what she's getting at?

i read this as "i burned a person of interest to the matter. i wont burn them publicly yet, but here is some proof i was in contact with a person of interest. i am scared. if anything happens to me, here is a trail to the person i burned to the fbi. i have little faith that ultimately the fbi can protect me under this administration, or will necessarily investigate fully due to circumstances. public notice might help so here."

it's not very clear, that's a...sea of inferences by me?

― Hunt3r, Tuesday, July 3, 2018 11:32 AM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Hunt3r, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 17:47 (seven years ago)

its gotta be Greenwald right

frogbs, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 18:07 (seven years ago)

well the GOP would *never* defend pedophiles, much less elect one Speaker of the oh wai

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/03/jim-jordan-response-ignore-sex-abuse-692612

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 18:13 (seven years ago)

(Hastert Rule should be renamed the Pedo Rule imo)

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 18:14 (seven years ago)

cue Genesis Land of COnfusion

Rabbit Control (Latham Green), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 18:55 (seven years ago)

These are the pervs we're given

this ukulele annoys fascists (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 19:20 (seven years ago)

half the country believes Trump is not racist

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/03/poll-trump-racist-692614

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 19:59 (seven years ago)

otoh solid majority doesn't like his handling of immigration so - cool midterm issue to run on GOP!

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 20:00 (seven years ago)

just saw this, from last week

...And now they live and wait in unfamiliar places: big American suburban houses where no one speaks their language; a locked shelter on a dusty road where they spend little time outside; a converted Walmart where each morning they are required to stand and recite the Pledge of Allegiance, in English, to the country that holds them apart from their parents.

Why must they say those words, some of the children ask at the shelter in Brownsville, on the Mexican border in Texas?

“We tell them, ‘It’s out of respect,’ ” said one employee of the facility, known as Casa Padre, who spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of losing their job.

i know that posting stuff like this irritates a lot of people, sorry. very dystopia though

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/separated-immigrant-children-are-all-over-the-us-now-far-from-parents-who-dont-know-where-they-are/2018/06/24/c9bc5ba6-7568-11e8-805c-4b67019fcfe4_story.html

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 20:02 (seven years ago)

my sons have informed me that the two goalkeepers are "dickford" and "ospenis"

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 20:36 (seven years ago)

lol wrong thred :/

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 20:36 (seven years ago)

New Cabinet members Dickford & Ospenis

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 20:37 (seven years ago)

Ospenis is why we have Trump now.

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 20:43 (seven years ago)

Watching Susan Collins square her “principles” with her vote for holocaust denier Justice Dickford is going to be... something.

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 20:51 (seven years ago)

I guess he's an ACLU member?

Wow! The NSA has deleted 685 million phone calls and text messages. Privacy violations? They blame technical irregularities. Such a disgrace. The Witch Hunt continues!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 3, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 20:59 (seven years ago)

Wait, what?

devops mom (silby), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 21:01 (seven years ago)

musta been Fox & Friends?

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 21:07 (seven years ago)

Who cares its just more nonsense

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 21:09 (seven years ago)

it’s a distraction from all the reconstructed cohen shreds

maura, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 21:09 (seven years ago)

After having written many best selling books, and somewhat priding myself on my ability to write, it should be noted that the Fake News constantly likes to pour over my tweets looking for a mistake. I capitalize certain words only for emphasis, not b/c they should be capitalized!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 3, 2018

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 21:25 (seven years ago)

"pour over"

pretty funny if he did that on purpose but man I doubt it

frogbs, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 21:26 (seven years ago)

Somewhat

j., Tuesday, 3 July 2018 21:27 (seven years ago)

They’re deleting *call detail records*, not calls and text messages. The overproduction was indeed a privacy violation, though this time it looks like the telcos problem. We should learn more about what happened. But it has exactly zilch to do with the Mueller inquiry. https://t.co/FLfbNnMiBa

— Julian Sanchez (@normative) July 3, 2018

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 21:39 (seven years ago)

The Washington Post is constantly quoting “anonymous sources” that do not exist. Rarely do they use the name of anyone because there is no one to give them the kind of negative quote that they are looking for. They are a disgrace to journalism but then again, so are many others!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 3, 2018

does this mean WaPo is about to drop something ?

frogbs, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 21:48 (seven years ago)

I'd really be surprised if the WH leaking goes in both directions and he knows what they're going to drop.

a shomin-geki poster with some horror elements (WilliamC), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 21:52 (seven years ago)

there is no one to give them the kind of negative quote that they are looking for

visiting, Tuesday, 3 July 2018 22:00 (seven years ago)

I love how he thinks he structures his tweets like sonnets or an exquisite piece of music: melody and countermelody leading to dissonance (the exclamation point).

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 3 July 2018 23:16 (seven years ago)

I swear i just heard a report on the Court nomination on WNYC that said "Senator John McCain may be too old to vote."

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 4 July 2018 12:56 (seven years ago)

xp the whine of beauty

imago, Wednesday, 4 July 2018 13:06 (seven years ago)

I Magid Magid, Lord Mayor & first citizen of this city hereby declare that not only is Donald J Trump (@realDonaldTrump) a WASTEMAN, but he is also henceforth banned from the great city of Sheffield!

I further declare July 13th to be Mexico Solidarity Day! 🇲🇽 pic.twitter.com/qYehdHYDEt

— 🚀MΛG!D (@MagicMagid) July 4, 2018

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 4 July 2018 13:34 (seven years ago)

hell yes

Fox News' Chad Pergram contributed to this report (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 4 July 2018 13:41 (seven years ago)

the best

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 4 July 2018 14:00 (seven years ago)

happy fourth of july

HEARD THIS PLACE WAS GREAT BEFORE THE EURAPEANS SHOWED UP - https://t.co/Qtp3PuUDXE - pic.twitter.com/rwJHTgZB0j

— da share z0ne (@dasharez0ne) July 4, 2018

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 4 July 2018 14:18 (seven years ago)

Reading this thread title is like tasting barium

Ross, Wednesday, 4 July 2018 14:19 (seven years ago)

sorry for excerpting this at such length, but it's a fine example of the onion presidency

BOGOTA, Colombia (AP) — As a meeting last August in the Oval Office to discuss sanctions on Venezuela was concluding, President Donald Trump turned to his top aides and asked an unsettling question: With a fast unraveling Venezuela threatening regional security, why can’t the U.S. just simply invade the troubled country?

The suggestion stunned those present at the meeting, including U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and national security adviser H.R. McMaster, both of whom have since left the administration. This account of the previously undisclosed conversation comes from a senior administration official familiar with what was said.

In an exchange that lasted around five minutes, McMaster and others took turns explaining to Trump how military action could backfire and risk losing hard-won support among Latin American governments to punish President Nicolas Maduro for taking Venezuela down the path of dictatorship, according to the official. The official spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the discussions.

But Trump pushed back. Although he gave no indication he was about to order up military plans, he pointed to what he considered past cases of successful gunboat diplomacy in the region, according to the official, like the invasions of Panama and Grenada in the 1980s.

The idea, despite his aides’ best attempts to shoot it down, would nonetheless persist in the president’s head.

The next day, Aug. 11, Trump alarmed friends and foes alike with talk of a “military option” to remove Maduro from power. The public remarks were initially dismissed in U.S. policy circles as the sort of martial bluster people have come to expect from the reality TV star turned commander in chief.

But shortly afterward, he raised the issue with Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos, according to the U.S. official. Two high-ranking Colombian officials who spoke on condition of anonymity to avoid antagonizing Trump confirmed the report.

Then in September, on the sidelines of the U.N. General Assembly, Trump discussed it again, this time at greater length, in a private dinner with leaders from four Latin American allies that included Santos, the same three people said and Politico reported in February.

The U.S. official said Trump was specifically briefed not to raise the issue and told it wouldn’t play well, but the first thing the president said at the dinner was, “My staff told me not to say this.” Trump then went around asking each leader if they were sure they didn’t want a military solution, according to the official, who added that each leader told Trump in clear terms they were sure.

Eventually, McMaster would pull aside the president and walk him through the dangers of an invasion, the official said.

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 4 July 2018 14:21 (seven years ago)

eventually, hope hicks would pull aside the president to try to convince the president not to eat the fireworks, gently rebutting his repeated claims that they weren't dangerous if eaten with other foods and liquids at the same time

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 4 July 2018 14:25 (seven years ago)

The U.S. official said Trump was specifically briefed not to raise the issue and told it wouldn’t play well, but the first thing the president said at the dinner was, “My staff told me not to say this.” The U.S. official said Trump was specifically briefed not to raise the issue and told it wouldn’t play well, but the first thing the president said at the dinner was, “My staff told me not to say this.” The U.S. official said Trump was specifically briefed not to raise the issue and told it wouldn’t play well, but the first thing the president said at the dinner was, “My staff told me not to say this.” The U.S. official said Trump was specifically briefed not to raise the issue and told it wouldn’t play well, but the first thing the president said at the dinner was, “My staff told me not to say this.” The U.S. official said Trump was specifically briefed not to raise the issue and told it wouldn’t play well, but the first thing the president said at the dinner was, “My staff told me not to say this.”

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 4 July 2018 14:26 (seven years ago)

a man of honesty

Fox News' Chad Pergram contributed to this report (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 4 July 2018 14:27 (seven years ago)

My staff told me not to say that I pooped in my pants

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 4 July 2018 20:13 (seven years ago)

So did this thing about denaturalising naturalised citizens slip out today because ts 4th of July and they're hoping no one will notice under the din of fireworks and the smoke of BBQs? Because it seems a more heinous step than they've taken so far.

Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Wednesday, 4 July 2018 22:10 (seven years ago)

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/07/senate-intelligence-july-fourth-russian-interference/
Report repudiating the Trump comments about the Russian interference being negligible and denied trickled out yesterday at 3pm at the same time as a Republican visit to Russia. Came out in the pre-holiday news dump and not sure people heard about it.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 4 July 2018 22:19 (seven years ago)

this thing about denaturalising naturalised citizens

another name for a naturalized citizen is "voter"

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 4 July 2018 22:44 (seven years ago)

Can we "denaturalize" some birthright citizens? I have a few in mind, thanxinadvancebye

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 4 July 2018 23:19 (seven years ago)

huh i guess it wouldnt surprise me if a segment of rich gop seeks to insulate themselves from him as a criminal, toxic personality. dont know how theyd make it work-

they’d try to save the racist fascist agenda, and make nice with security/intel state, but also flush trump himself twice, and hard, after the mueller report. theyd hope he goes away but to keep the benefits to their agenda? i dont think the base will go for that. also assumes a lot about that report.

Hunt3r, Wednesday, 4 July 2018 23:36 (seven years ago)

i dont think the base will go for that

no can do

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 4 July 2018 23:43 (seven years ago)

they can go for being twice as shite

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 4 July 2018 23:56 (seven years ago)

irl, hollow, lol

kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Thursday, 5 July 2018 01:35 (seven years ago)

The biggest effect of @Ocasio2018's victory thus far is that she's given liberals and the left license and room to breathe. When it comes to ideas, you can just see and feel the room of possibility expanding, the realm of fear and anxiety contracting. https://t.co/RxRplxkhP7

— corey robin (@CoreyRobin) July 3, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 July 2018 02:20 (seven years ago)

CR had a good thread today about the advantage the left/DSA has over liberals: they have a long-term vision of what they want to see America become, not just a set of reactions to the proto-fascist present (though they have those, too).

Simon H., Thursday, 5 July 2018 02:45 (seven years ago)

It’s interesting, watching this from afar; that the Ocasio’s victory is defining separate left and liberal identities in the mainstream in a way that Bernie didn’t seem to and it seems to be helped by the redhatters freaking out about free healthcare and college for all, magnifying the difference with the centre.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 5 July 2018 03:37 (seven years ago)

Sad to see that I'm already seeing a backlash against Ocasio claiming that her background is a lot less working class than she's making out. Hoping that isn't going to lead to voting apathy come November.
Would think one would want to be a lot less divisive in what people were voting for since there is a recognised monolithic thing that people do need to replace as well as more minor related problems.

Stevolende, Thursday, 5 July 2018 09:12 (seven years ago)

it’s baseless and rooted in the right wing coding “suburbs” as only for the rich, when a lot of big cities had and have working class suburbs because... that sort of class mobility was seen as a selling point for this country, even by republicans. but now that the GOP is the party of kleptocrats, things are different.

maura, Thursday, 5 July 2018 10:06 (seven years ago)

anyway weird how this senator is like “HEY I AM IN DC LOOK FIREWORKS” after going radio silent during his little russian jaunt

Hearing the sound of fireworks all around us, celebrating freedom! pic.twitter.com/s7C6pyTdWu

— Steve Daines (@SteveDaines) July 5, 2018

maura, Thursday, 5 July 2018 10:08 (seven years ago)

(which he might still be on, who knows!)

maura, Thursday, 5 July 2018 10:08 (seven years ago)

Fourth from the left, today, in Moscow. pic.twitter.com/N7U2pHQLgZ

— Robert Holzer (@RobertHolzer) July 5, 2018

maura, Thursday, 5 July 2018 10:16 (seven years ago)

All those red ties.

Yerac, Thursday, 5 July 2018 10:19 (seven years ago)

AOC could've said she was raised by bears in the woods and right wingers would be like "these bears intimidate and use private pools without permission."

Yerac, Thursday, 5 July 2018 10:20 (seven years ago)

Anyway her district is more likely to elect a pizza rat than a Republican.

“My staff told me not to say this." I thought WH personnel would at least be well-versed in how to get a 4-year-old to do the opposite of what you want.

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 July 2018 10:57 (seven years ago)

All those red ties.


It’s like those treasonous shit fuckers planned to look as weak as possible. Kowtowing scum. I’m taking motherfucking notes

El Tomboto, Thursday, 5 July 2018 11:48 (seven years ago)

Alabama, Texas, Wisconsin, Louisiana, Kansas and both Dakotas should all be cut to one Senate seat each, in perpetuity

El Tomboto, Thursday, 5 July 2018 11:51 (seven years ago)

Cannot believe how many knuckle sandwiches with murder sauce are in my bag today

El Tomboto, Thursday, 5 July 2018 11:53 (seven years ago)

i didn't know red was still the Rooshen color

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 July 2018 12:19 (seven years ago)

"Siding with the nation that destabilised our democracy to own the libs"

Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Thursday, 5 July 2018 13:04 (seven years ago)

Morbius, don’t question the menswear knowhow of our Senators from the cousin-fucking states

El Tomboto, Thursday, 5 July 2018 13:06 (seven years ago)

Can we put a travel ban to keep them over there? Preferably in the same apartment tower with Snowden

El Tomboto, Thursday, 5 July 2018 13:07 (seven years ago)

Try not to think about the posturing these cunty wastemen scum have performed about kneeling during the anthem while they sit obediently across from their Master Kislyak and his Lord Putin

El Tomboto, Thursday, 5 July 2018 13:15 (seven years ago)

The ratio on Daines’ tweet is ... quite high

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 5 July 2018 14:50 (seven years ago)

Sad to see that I'm already seeing a backlash against Ocasio claiming that her background is a lot less working class than she's making out. Hoping that isn't going to lead to voting apathy come November.
Would think one would want to be a lot less divisive in what people were voting for since there is a recognised monolithic thing that people do need to replace as well as more minor related problems.

― Stevolende, Thursday, July 5, 2018 4:12 AM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

concern troll self-outed

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 5 July 2018 15:08 (seven years ago)

Sad to see that I'm already seeing a backlash against Ocasio claiming that her background is a lot less working class than she's making out.

You misspelled "tiny and instantly refuted dribble of right-wing bullshit."

grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 5 July 2018 15:11 (seven years ago)

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/07/09/how-trumps-supreme-court-pick-could-undo-kennedys-legacy

I think we should go ahead and start a four-part series of RIP threads, Shakey style, for Roberts, Thomas, Alito and Gorsuch, so we can be appropriately prepared to celebrate their transitions with rude and indecorous amounts of glee (assuming, of course, that a Democrat is ever allowed to win an election again) (or not, I guess if their heads roll in baskets I’m okay with that too)

Year 243 is off to a great start btw

El Tomboto, Thursday, 5 July 2018 15:16 (seven years ago)

I will remain cautiously optimistic until the 14th amendment gets repealed

devops mom (silby), Thursday, 5 July 2018 15:17 (seven years ago)

I think we should go ahead and start a four-part series of RIP threads, Shakey style, for Roberts, Thomas, Alito and Gorsuch

you rang

Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 July 2018 15:28 (seven years ago)

You do it better than anybody

El Tomboto, Thursday, 5 July 2018 15:30 (seven years ago)

ACTUALLY undoing "Kennedy's legacy" would probably be on balance more good than harm, but I know they probably just mean on social issues.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 5 July 2018 15:46 (seven years ago)

I'm already seeing a backlash against Ocasio

unless it originated at the grassroots level, its not a backlash but simply propaganda trying to get a foothold in people's minds

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 5 July 2018 15:51 (seven years ago)

Seems to be getting into circulation from people I know are involved in other grassroots leftist activity. Was pretty disappointed to see it since there is an obvious thing that needs to be dealt with before it gets any further out of hand so if it is right wing propaganda it appears to be working on some people I know.

Stevolende, Thursday, 5 July 2018 15:58 (seven years ago)

Know fewer stupid people?

El Tomboto, Thursday, 5 July 2018 16:02 (seven years ago)

How do your grassroots buddies feel about Warren’s Native American heritage?

i hate the self-punching left so much

El Tomboto, Thursday, 5 July 2018 16:03 (seven years ago)

Seems to be getting into circulation from people I know are involved in other grassroots leftist activity. Was pretty disappointed to see it since there is an obvious thing that needs to be dealt with before it gets any further out of hand so if it is right wing propaganda it appears to be working on some people I know.

I'm gonna put this simply:

1. I don't believe you

2. Even if what you say is true, the people stupid enough to fall for this and/or get agitated about it will likely be in no position to hurt Ocasio Cortez's general election campaign with it, since her strategy seems entirely built on knocking on doors and getting the neighborhood out to vote for her, so...they can go fuck themselves?

grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 5 July 2018 16:08 (seven years ago)

I don't care if you don't believe me. That is what happened.

Stevolende, Thursday, 5 July 2018 16:12 (seven years ago)

Got some tweets you can quote, or any other evidence at all to support your claim?

grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 5 July 2018 16:14 (seven years ago)

I've seen this but I really don't think it's going to have a measurable effect on the general election, which is nowhere near as close as the presidential

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 5 July 2018 16:19 (seven years ago)

approximately 1 second after AOC won the primary, the usual rightwing suspects started to think of ways to take her down. some thought that just exposing her platform (ie this infamous hannity segment) would would be enough to frighten off some people, while others went for the "she lives in a suburb! she doesn't speak for the people! she can't be a socialist because she went to a nice college!" angle.

none of that is surprising. that rightwing response was totally predictable. just as predictable is that some people on the left would take notice of the right's bullshit kneejerk attacks on AOC and then highlight them to their own followers as yet more examples of the moral and intellectual turpitude of the right. that's not indicative of any sort of real "backlash", that's just how this terrible world operates right now

Karl Malone, Thursday, 5 July 2018 16:20 (seven years ago)

also lots of people on the left just like that flagellated feeling and can’t stand winners

El Tomboto, Thursday, 5 July 2018 16:27 (seven years ago)

oh man I REALLY hope this whole thing takes this shitbag down

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/ex-wrestler-says-rep-jim-jordan-witnessed-lewd-shower-acts-coach-ohio-state-001134484.html

Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 July 2018 16:29 (seven years ago)

yeah, the way that guy can summon a voice of righteous condemnation on demand is revolting

Karl Malone, Thursday, 5 July 2018 16:33 (seven years ago)

Our country is such a butt right now I started reading that and thought “well at least that lying douchebag didn’t spend the 4th in fucking Moscow”

El Tomboto, Thursday, 5 July 2018 16:35 (seven years ago)

maybe he'll spend three to five in the state pen

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 July 2018 16:38 (seven years ago)

US Politics, July 2018: mudbutt

Karl Malone, Thursday, 5 July 2018 16:38 (seven years ago)

heh, Schumer told Trump he should nominate Merrick Garland

Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 July 2018 16:44 (seven years ago)

Maybe he should have said he should never nominate Garland. Does reverse psychology actually work on him.

Stevolende, Thursday, 5 July 2018 16:49 (seven years ago)

Masha Gessen on the plight of naturalized citizens

Back in 1989, I had to make a decision about whether to lie on my citizenship application. At the time, immigration law banned “aliens afflicted with sexual deviation,” among others suffering from “psychopathic personality,” from entry to the United States. I had come to this country as a fourteen-year-old, in 1981, but I had been aware of my “sexual deviation” at the time, and this technically meant that I should not have entered the country. I decided to append a letter to my citizenship application, informing the Immigration and Naturalization Service that I was homosexual but that I disagreed with the exclusion and would be willing to discuss the matter in court. I was young, ambitious, and pragmatically cocky: I had entered the country as a stateless person, not to mention a minor, so I figured that I couldn’t be deported. The rational thing to do, however, would have been to obfuscate on my citizenship application.

My application was granted without my having to fight for it in court. I hadn’t thought about my naturalization for years, but I find myself thinking about it now, thankful for the near-accident of not having lied on my application. Over the years, the applications for both citizenship and permanent residence have grown ever longer, filling with questions that seem to be designed to be used against the applicant. Question 26 on the green-card application, for example, reads, “Have you EVER committed a crime of any kind (even if you were not arrested, cited, charged with, or tried for that crime)?” (Emphasis in the original.) The question does not specify whether it refers to a crime under current U.S. law or the laws of the country in which the crime might have been committed. In the Soviet Union of my youth, it was illegal to possess foreign currency or to spend the night anywhere you were not registered to live. In more than seventy countries, same-sex sexual activity is still illegal. On closer inspection, just about every naturalized citizen might look like an outlaw, or a liar.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/in-america-naturalized-citizens-no-longer-have-an-assumption-of-permanence

Simon H., Thursday, 5 July 2018 16:59 (seven years ago)

heh, Schumer told Trump he should nominate Merrick Garland

― Οὖτις, Thursday, July 5, 2018 12:44 PM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://pics.me.me/there-was-an-attempt-29920712.png

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 5 July 2018 16:59 (seven years ago)

Fox News creep/fixer Bill Shine is now the deputy White House chief of staff, focused on communications.

grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 5 July 2018 17:13 (seven years ago)

How to tell nobody else wanted the job, right there.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 July 2018 17:15 (seven years ago)

have box will travel

Hunt3r, Thursday, 5 July 2018 17:33 (seven years ago)

I've seen this but I really don't think it's going to have a measurable effect on the general election, which is nowhere near as close as the presidential

― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, July 5, 2018 11:19 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

um, this is a slight understatement if you're talking about AOC's general election. Her GOP opponent is a mens' rights activist whose one issue seems to be divorce courts, an issue that is not even impacted by congress. He has effectively raised $0. This is in one of the safest blue districts in the country.

I'm going to assume that any "backlash" on "the left" is either among the Clinton loyalist "Bernie has three houses so he's a hypocrite" crowd (a very small demographic) or super-tankie lefter-than-thou people who don't even believe in electoral politics to begin with. Either group should be dismissed out of hand. I'm waiting for evidence that such a "backlash" exists.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 5 July 2018 17:47 (seven years ago)

considering she's somewhat lefty, a WOC, and increasingly ubiquitous (at least for people who pay attention to US political media), the backlash has been pretty muted/limited tbh - I notice it most among the suspicious-of-electoral-politics crowd but that's to be expected

Simon H., Thursday, 5 July 2018 17:51 (seven years ago)

clinton loyalists i know seem to be v into aoc

flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Thursday, 5 July 2018 17:52 (seven years ago)

actually honestly i only know one clinton loyalist so that prob means nothing

flamenco blorf (BradNelson), Thursday, 5 July 2018 17:55 (seven years ago)

yeah tbc I didn't mean all clinton loyalists just the small subset that still seems to be heavily berniebashing after all this time

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 5 July 2018 17:56 (seven years ago)

um, this is a slight understatement if you're talking about AOC's general election. Her GOP opponent is a mens' rights activist whose one issue seems to be divorce courts, an issue that is not even impacted by congress. He has effectively raised $0. This is in one of the safest blue districts in the country.

yes exactly

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Thursday, 5 July 2018 18:14 (seven years ago)

yeah. any attempt to pull down AOC is aimed at undercutting her national significance.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 5 July 2018 18:17 (seven years ago)

album-oriented country

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 5 July 2018 18:21 (seven years ago)

yeah. any attempt to pull down AOC is aimed at undercutting her national significance.

― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, July 5, 2018 6:17 PM (thirty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

which is amazing because all she's done so far is won a goddamn primary and exhibited above average media savvy

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 5 July 2018 18:50 (seven years ago)

(not undercutting her I think shes great but its impressive to see the right fully mobilize against her)

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 5 July 2018 18:50 (seven years ago)

it really has been, they've spent so long calling people like Hillary and Obama socialists that they have no idea how to react when they're confronted with an actual one

frogbs, Thursday, 5 July 2018 19:02 (seven years ago)

Well, also, she's young! So she, folks like Beto O'Rourke ... they're not going anywhere.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 July 2018 19:12 (seven years ago)

Speaking as a resident of TX, I hope you are right about Beto, but color me skeptical.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 5 July 2018 19:16 (seven years ago)

^^Oddly, I've already seen a conservative friend of mine tell me that Beto isn't going to beat Cruz, and that he should already be putting some focus towards getting the Dem Presidential nom in 2020 instead.

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 5 July 2018 19:27 (seven years ago)

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/05/trump-sanctuary-cities-ruling-695286

Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 July 2018 19:32 (seven years ago)

Seems like a stretch, but ok

xp

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 5 July 2018 19:35 (seven years ago)

guys Jim Jordan is being "bullied" online and he is going to call the Capitol Police about it
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/05/trump-sanctuary-cities-ruling-695286

Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 July 2018 19:38 (seven years ago)

er
https://thinkprogress.org/jordan-bullying-claims-83d2c32c6e53/

Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 July 2018 19:39 (seven years ago)

pruitt out

mookieproof, Thursday, 5 July 2018 19:40 (seven years ago)

Wow, that really is huge

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 5 July 2018 19:40 (seven years ago)

waht

Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 July 2018 19:40 (seven years ago)

FINALLY

ian, Thursday, 5 July 2018 19:41 (seven years ago)

Pruitt soon to be nominated to fill SCOTUS vacancy?

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 5 July 2018 19:42 (seven years ago)

Guess that will put to rest rumors about using him as a replacement for Sessions.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 5 July 2018 19:42 (seven years ago)

fired by tweet!

lol

too bad his deputy replacement will be equally shitty

Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 July 2018 19:42 (seven years ago)

on the plus side there's no way in hell the Senate confirms a new appointee any time soon

Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 July 2018 19:47 (seven years ago)

I thought Pruitt was partially getting away with things because of teh rapport between him and the President. Subsequently it's unlikely that any replacement for him would get away with a fraction of the same shite isn't it?

Stevolende, Thursday, 5 July 2018 19:48 (seven years ago)

so uh can he be prosecuted for any of this or is he gonna skate

lmao just kidding I know the answer already

frogbs, Thursday, 5 July 2018 19:48 (seven years ago)

apparently he worked with james inhoffe, so, yes, correct xxp

global tetrahedron, Thursday, 5 July 2018 19:50 (seven years ago)

outlasted Gorsuch's mom, which is a real embarrassment considering he was exponentially more corrupt

I don't think he did anything criminally prosecutable tbh

Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 July 2018 19:51 (seven years ago)

at worst they could make him repay some of the money he overspent

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 5 July 2018 19:53 (seven years ago)

wow the pruitt stuff is insane. when you are too brazen and corrupt even for the Trump administration

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 5 July 2018 19:54 (seven years ago)

does he get to keep the tactical pants y/n

mookieproof, Thursday, 5 July 2018 19:55 (seven years ago)

Trump didn't fire him because he was corrupt, he fired him because he was too poor to be less conspicuously corrupt

Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 July 2018 19:55 (seven years ago)

in a perfect world, he would have resigned because he had a come-to-Jesus moment after being scolded in public by a teacher carrying a baby, but we all know that isn't what happened.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 July 2018 19:56 (seven years ago)

does anybody have a spare piano to drop on this guy

https://www.nrdc.org/onearth/who-andrew-wheeler-and-why-you-should-be-afraid-him

Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 July 2018 19:57 (seven years ago)

I see that Ocasio is dead to some Clintonistas because the Unmentionable Susan Sarandon canvassed for her.

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 5 July 2018 20:01 (seven years ago)

BREAKING: @EPAScottPruitt resignation letter to @realDonaldTrump. Obtained by @johnrobertsFox: pic.twitter.com/A3ErO84hLQ

— Fin Gomez (@finnygo) July 5, 2018

mookieproof, Thursday, 5 July 2018 20:01 (seven years ago)

hasn't the plan been all along for that dip shit just to run for office back in Oklahoma again?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 July 2018 20:03 (seven years ago)

I don't think he did anything criminally prosecutable tbh

deleting communications?

frogbs, Thursday, 5 July 2018 20:04 (seven years ago)

Bribery? It is not legal to quid pro quo with lobbyists for financial gain is it?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 July 2018 20:06 (seven years ago)

or is that just unethical?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 5 July 2018 20:06 (seven years ago)

pete venkman for epa

maura, Thursday, 5 July 2018 20:09 (seven years ago)

It is not legal to quid pro quo with lobbyists for financial gain is it?

the supreme court has basically said otherwise

mookieproof, Thursday, 5 July 2018 20:11 (seven years ago)

#blessed

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 5 July 2018 20:13 (seven years ago)

I don't think he did anything criminally prosecutable tbh
deleting communications?

― frogbs, Thursday, July 5, 2018 8:04 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

can also add falsification of government records to cover up shenanigans.. per the stories of pruitt maintaining multiple calendars to cover up his bullshit

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 5 July 2018 20:14 (seven years ago)

yeah good luck prosecuting that stuff, I'm sure the KKK Keebler Elf is gonna get right on that

Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 July 2018 20:16 (seven years ago)

jared's neverending failure to list his meetings/financial connections on his security clearance was felonious, but who's gonna prosecute him

mookieproof, Thursday, 5 July 2018 20:16 (seven years ago)

"Scott Pruit has reigned, the search is on for a new shitty leader"

Rabbit Control (Latham Green), Thursday, 5 July 2018 20:21 (seven years ago)

love how his resignation letter paints him out to be a victim of left-wing meanies and not one of the most blatantly corrupt Cabinet members in US history

frogbs, Thursday, 5 July 2018 20:22 (seven years ago)

tbf he was chosen by God to burn this planet to the ground

Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 July 2018 20:24 (seven years ago)

has Pruitt found out yet

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 July 2018 20:31 (seven years ago)

the insane religiosity of the resignation suggests he did dictate it himself

kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Thursday, 5 July 2018 20:35 (seven years ago)

Haste to find out that Pruitt was tactically nasty so the next, more effectively damaging EPA leader isn't seen as bad.
BUt that does call for a level of intelligence and strategic thinking on the Republican side

Stevolende, Thursday, 5 July 2018 20:37 (seven years ago)

Hate to find

Stevolende, Thursday, 5 July 2018 20:38 (seven years ago)

Getting wacky out there.

NEWS - @LannyDavis, the Clinton-era White House official, tells me he's been retained by @MichaelCohen212 as he prepares for a potential legal onslaught from prosecutors and a potential PR onslaught from Trump associates.

— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) July 5, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 July 2018 20:39 (seven years ago)

lmao

BREAKING: White House introduces Scott Pruitt’s replacement pic.twitter.com/r3sCwCGm1W

— Rex Huppke (@RexHuppke) July 5, 2018

frogbs, Thursday, 5 July 2018 20:42 (seven years ago)

Reading between the lines of that resignation letter, "my desire has always been to service you..."

Get aboard the flappy bird, departing gate 19 (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 5 July 2018 20:46 (seven years ago)

Aw how sweet:

Davis in statement on Cohen retaining him: pic.twitter.com/KIV3Kt0Aym

— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) July 5, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 July 2018 20:47 (seven years ago)

just a counselor doing what counselors do

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 5 July 2018 20:50 (seven years ago)

Davis in statement on Cohen retaining him: pic.twitter.com/KIV3Kt0Aym

— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) July 5, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 July 2018 20:50 (seven years ago)

Whoops sorry for the repeat -- meant this:

Here's a fun FOIA'd email exchange. WaPo asked EPA about a FB post in which Andrew Wheeler called Trump a "bully" and said he was a bad businessman. EPA asked Wheeler to "lock down" his social media accounts, and assured him, "This is the smallest fire we will put out all day." pic.twitter.com/RyJwSjUyZr

— Lachlan Markay (@lachlan) July 5, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 July 2018 20:51 (seven years ago)

surely there's a "bad meaning GOOD!" mea culpa forthcoming

Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 July 2018 20:54 (seven years ago)

good thing he hates the environment just enough to still go work for him

global tetrahedron, Thursday, 5 July 2018 21:02 (seven years ago)

can't imagine Pruitt willingly resigned, I kinda wonder if that letter was written for him and that Pruitt himself found out on TV while eating another free lunch at the Navy cafeteria

frogbs, Thursday, 5 July 2018 21:19 (seven years ago)

is this because the interns or subs ratted him out about having to pay for his reservations lol but not lol

Hunt3r, Thursday, 5 July 2018 21:25 (seven years ago)

idk if anyone knows or cares about this latest right wing idiot freakout but there was a viral video today of some guy at Whataburger stealing a teenager's MAGA hat and throwing a drink in his face

got a lot of play on all the usual outlets, but wouldn't ya just know it

Witnesses say teens in viral MAGA hat video were joking about lynching black people before Whataburger attack https://t.co/60rmrjFTpk

— Raw Story (@RawStory) July 5, 2018

frogbs, Thursday, 5 July 2018 21:30 (seven years ago)

what an asshole, they were just boys bein' buys, everybody blows off steam by talking about lynching minorities!

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 5 July 2018 21:41 (seven years ago)

Hmm

NEW: Exclusive: 4th former Ohio State Univ. wrestler has come forward to contradict Rep. Jim Jordan’s claim that he had no idea the wrestling team doctor was molesting athletes. https://t.co/4he5yrODXg

— NBC News (@NBCNews) July 5, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 July 2018 21:57 (seven years ago)

why won't those online bullies leave him alone

Οὖτις, Thursday, 5 July 2018 21:58 (seven years ago)

lmao Trump himself just came out in Jim Jordan's defense, great timing

frogbs, Thursday, 5 July 2018 21:59 (seven years ago)

It's telling (if not surprising) how quickly these people will embrace the very language that they'd otherwise dismiss as decadent or effete.

Sybil Disobedience (Leee), Thursday, 5 July 2018 22:48 (seven years ago)

Once upon a time, military service was a path to citizenship. No more, it seems.

grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 5 July 2018 23:12 (seven years ago)

Ah, of course.

Trump on his crowds: "I have broken more Elton John records...and I don't have a musical instrument: I don't have a guitar or an organ. No organ. Elton has an organ."

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) July 5, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 July 2018 23:25 (seven years ago)

this train don't stop

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 July 2018 23:36 (seven years ago)

no organ

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 5 July 2018 23:46 (seven years ago)

TRUMP 2020: No Organ.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 5 July 2018 23:49 (seven years ago)

Don't Shoot Me, I'm Only the Covfefe Player

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 6 July 2018 00:08 (seven years ago)

Melania Can't Buy You Love (Do U?)

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 6 July 2018 00:59 (seven years ago)

Honky cat

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 6 July 2018 02:13 (seven years ago)

MAGA LibTears & Red Hatters

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 6 July 2018 02:31 (seven years ago)

Bennie and the Warm Jets

Hunt3r, Friday, 6 July 2018 02:45 (seven years ago)

And I guess that's why they call it fake news

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 6 July 2018 02:48 (seven years ago)

Hold me closer, tiny hand sir

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 6 July 2018 02:56 (seven years ago)

Rocketman with bigger button that works, obv.

BrianB, Friday, 6 July 2018 03:36 (seven years ago)

how does he think a DNA test works

Trump challenging Elizabeth Warren to a Native American heritage test: “We will take that little kit, we have to do it gently because we’re in the "Me Too" generation. We will slowly toss it, hoping it doesn’t hit her and injure her arm.”

pic.twitter.com/Df5LA8rTHT

— Shannon Watts (@shannonrwatts) July 6, 2018

frogbs, Friday, 6 July 2018 03:48 (seven years ago)

No organ.

cr.ht (crüt), Friday, 6 July 2018 03:59 (seven years ago)

Guys...it got weirder.

Korean media: Trump asked Kim Jong Un, whom he had called Rocket Man, if he knows the Elton John song Rocket Man, and Kim said no, so Pompeo is bringing Kim the CD, which Trump has autographed. https://t.co/Z1EAg4ZaAM

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) July 6, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 July 2018 04:20 (seven years ago)

I guess that's nice of him

k3vin k., Friday, 6 July 2018 04:28 (seven years ago)

salute to scott pruit, man. a guy who truly takes seriously his role as movie villain

k3vin k., Friday, 6 July 2018 04:29 (seven years ago)

Fucked up thing for me in all this is I always thought about that song in the context of growing up in Rocket City, in Alabama, represented by Senator Richard Shelby, and basically NO NO NO and I don’t want it to be a LONG LONG TIME, I want this to all be over with now immediately now

El Tomboto, Friday, 6 July 2018 04:30 (seven years ago)

Economic anxiety!

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-missouri-town-tariff-20180705-story.html

Ned Raggett, Friday, 6 July 2018 11:03 (seven years ago)

Few, been a day or two since we had one of those pieces about what Trump voters really think.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 6 July 2018 11:29 (seven years ago)

Fucking hell I hadn't watched him on the campaign trail in a while but last night's rally was more disturbing than ever.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 6 July 2018 11:49 (seven years ago)

He made fun of McCain (again) and Poppy Bush, I heard.

All this and Pocahontas too!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 July 2018 11:56 (seven years ago)

people wanna hear him play the hits

Fox News' Chad Pergram contributed to this report (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 6 July 2018 12:04 (seven years ago)

well here we prefer the one-time performances, like "Russia probably meddled"

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 6 July 2018 12:13 (seven years ago)

yeah i know we've heard it all before . it's just the disgusting manner in which he utters this bullshit when he's all hyped up by his dumbshit groupies

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 6 July 2018 12:23 (seven years ago)

Did he play "Lock Her Up?" That's my jam.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 6 July 2018 12:33 (seven years ago)

I've seen an amount of genuine left-wing AOC criticism, the anti-war part of her site apparently disappeared and returned saying "This continued <war> damages America’s legitimacy as a force for good", and there are some tweets from May saying that "We have to replace ICE with an updated INS-structure that handles crime through the same court system we've had for well over 100 years".

(Which, you know, that's the thing about a slogan, if it's snappy enough to gain traction then different people will be projecting different things onto it)

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 6 July 2018 13:12 (seven years ago)

from her official website, today:

Since the invasion of Iraq in 2003, the United States has entangled itself in war and occupation throughout the Middle East and North Africa. As of 2018, we are currently involved in military action in Libya, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Pakistan, and Somalia. Hundreds of thousands of civilians in these countries have been killed either as collateral damage from American strikes or from the instability caused by U.S. interventions. Millions more have fled their broken countries, contributing to the global refugee crisis.

This continued action damages America’s legitimacy as a force for good, creates new generations of potential terrorists, and erodes American prosperity. In times when we’re told that there’s not enough money, Republicans and corporate Democrats seem to find the cash to fund a $1.1 trillion fighter jet program or a $1.7 trillion-dollar nuclear weapon “modernization” program. The costs are extreme: the Pentagon’s budget for 2018 is $700 billion dollars: to continue fighting an endless War on Terror and refighting the Cold War with a new arms race that nobody can win.

According to the Constitution, the right to declare war belongs to the legislative body, and yet many of these global acts of aggression have never once been voted on by Congress. In some cases, we've even acted unilaterally, without the backing of the United Nations.

America should not be in the business of destabilizing countries. While we may see ourselves as liberators, the world increasingly views us as occupiers and aggressors. Alexandria believes that we must end the "forever war" by bringing our troops home, and ending the air strikes that perpetuate the cycle of terrorism throughout the world.

By bringing our troops home, we can begin to heal the wounds we're opening by continuing military engagement. We can begin to repair our image. We can reunite military families, separated by repeated deployments. We can become stronger by building stronger diplomatic and economic ties, and by saving our armed forces only for when they're truly needed.

Simon H., Friday, 6 July 2018 13:17 (seven years ago)

Idk by mainstream political standards that's pretty good even with the added sentence

Simon H., Friday, 6 July 2018 13:19 (seven years ago)

I do agree that the "drift" occurring with "Abolish ICE" essentially getting co-opted to mean "Rebrand ICE" is depressing.

Simon H., Friday, 6 July 2018 13:26 (seven years ago)

If you don’t understand the substantive difference between INS and the current ICE then oh well open borders for everything I guess

El Tomboto, Friday, 6 July 2018 13:29 (seven years ago)

that wasn't directed at AOC, I should have been clearer

Simon H., Friday, 6 July 2018 13:31 (seven years ago)

Sure, and I'm not disagreeing, Simon, just noting that there are some criticisms which aren't spewed straight from the gullet of Fox News.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 6 July 2018 13:39 (seven years ago)

Yeah. I certainly don't begrudge anyone their skepticism and it certainly beats unchecked hero worship.

Simon H., Friday, 6 July 2018 13:41 (seven years ago)

“It’s just one big mess,” said Brogdon, who fears she may struggle to keep the large, brick home she bought just a few months ago. “He’s looking at the big picture, and I understand that. But he’s got to stop and look at the small towns around here that are really going to get hurt.”

Isn't this just the working-class, right-wing version of "Obama is just playing eleven-dimensional chess"?

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 6 July 2018 13:52 (seven years ago)

No, because Obama was actually trying to rope-a-dope people, and guys like me loved it, even though it almost never worked.

That’s just an idiot who ruined my country and hasn’t figured out yet that she voted for an illiterate and innumerate psychopath who doesn’t give two shits about her or anyone else in wherever she lives.

El Tomboto, Friday, 6 July 2018 13:59 (seven years ago)

even Yam's saintly predecessor made a "no saviors, please" speech last week

xxp

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 6 July 2018 14:01 (seven years ago)

this person has 81k followers apparently, lol

The Abolish Ice narrative is a Russian Active Measure. It’s purpose is to make the Democrats seem supportive of open borders and anti law enforcement. ICE needs reform and may need to be absorbed into another Homeland Security apparatus. https://t.co/ea2Y8vW36A

— Andrew C Laufer, Esq (@lauferlaw) July 5, 2018

Simon H., Friday, 6 July 2018 14:37 (seven years ago)

POTUS going after "thousand points of light" / big Bush, the base will go along with that. figure he'll go after Reagan too eventually, will the base go for that? I figure, yes, probably... and then what is the Republican party?

droit au butt (Euler), Friday, 6 July 2018 15:03 (seven years ago)

What it’s always wanted to be

El Tomboto, Friday, 6 July 2018 15:05 (seven years ago)

not the party of Reagan

droit au butt (Euler), Friday, 6 July 2018 15:10 (seven years ago)

They're nihilists, they destroy each other.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 July 2018 15:28 (seven years ago)

no one will do this, but i encourage everyone to go watch the entirety of "Under the Sun", let yourself react to it however you want to, and immediately afterward read this sentence

'Secretary of State Mike Pompeo gifted North Korean leader Kim Jong Un with an Elton John CD that includes his hit song “Rocket Man,” signed by President Donald Trump, North Korean media reported Friday.'

Karl Malone, Friday, 6 July 2018 15:28 (seven years ago)

Oh, I found the "left" Ocasio backlash:

Ladies, Gentlemen and others, this time including @FBIWFO, part two in our series “The Defenders of @Ocasio2018”!

What does today’s lucky contestant think of Russia? Let’s find out! https://t.co/VG6QlSKCvJ

— Louise Mensch (@LouiseMensch) July 6, 2018

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 6 July 2018 15:31 (seven years ago)

And yet, Central American toddlers are vermin, in his view. https://t.co/0uW8qvxeqs

— Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) July 6, 2018

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 6 July 2018 15:32 (seven years ago)

The power of Trump's rhetoric. https://t.co/HhcdJfbOxJ

— corey robin (@CoreyRobin) July 5, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 6 July 2018 15:34 (seven years ago)

Lol remember Louise Mensch? It’s been awhile. What was her catachphrase again?

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 6 July 2018 15:41 (seven years ago)

“One more bump”, I believe

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 6 July 2018 15:47 (seven years ago)

"Roll another number for the road."

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 July 2018 15:49 (seven years ago)

Bennie and the Warm Jets

― Hunt3r, Thursday, July 5, 2018 10:45 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Hold me closer, tiny hand sir

― Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, July 5, 2018 10:56 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Grateful for these

cheese is the teacher, ham is the preacher (Jon not Jon), Friday, 6 July 2018 16:02 (seven years ago)

Sorta think him signing and sending a copy of rocket man to kju is both the least pro and the most legit dirtbaggy move he could do.

Hunt3r, Friday, 6 July 2018 16:09 (seven years ago)

Every Wednesday morning at 7 a.m., up to a dozen Cabinet members leave their staffs behind and quietly gather, often at the mammoth Department of Agriculture building just south of the National Mall.

There, they dive into Bible study. Energy Secretary Rick Perry, Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue, Education Secretary Betsy DeVos and Carson are among the regular attendees, and at times they are joined by Vice President Mike Pence and others.

The members rarely speak about the sessions, reflecting the low-key, keep-their-heads-down approach most have taken to their positions.

https://i.imgur.com/gDLtqL6.jpg

Karl Malone, Friday, 6 July 2018 16:13 (seven years ago)

Weaponizing the bible and Bible study is a conservative tradition xl

Hunt3r, Friday, 6 July 2018 16:29 (seven years ago)

if asked to name the top 3 people in the cabinet who literally have no idea what they're doing, i would go with carson, devos, and perry.

Karl Malone, Friday, 6 July 2018 16:34 (seven years ago)

having no idea is not the worst thing in this context

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 6 July 2018 16:36 (seven years ago)

change "cabinet" to the broader "administration" and Jared would definitely belong.

evol j, Friday, 6 July 2018 16:42 (seven years ago)

lol morbs otm

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 6 July 2018 16:44 (seven years ago)

I've got an idea, why don't they study the Bible full-time

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 6 July 2018 16:44 (seven years ago)

speaking of Under the Sun, there was a part of it where someone is asked to pretend to be an industrial engineer and play out a scene with two factory workers where he makes suggestions to improve productivity. so they play out this really stilted conversation about 8mm and 16mm and 12mm fabric details and how a machine needs to be fixed. he speaks with the ignorant confidence of a man with authority who only has to read a set of lines, while the two workers/actors nod vigorously and say "yes" to whatever vague suggestions he makes about the machine needing to be fixed. having accomplished absolutely nothing, the meeting is concluded with the understanding that everything will be better later. reminded me of people like perry and carson in a way, these career asslickers being carried along with this wave of stupidity

Karl Malone, Friday, 6 July 2018 16:45 (seven years ago)

yeah iirc that guy was selected to be a part of the faux documentary (with the real doc being the making of the fake doc) but then the NK higher-ups decided his actual job wasn't sufficiently grand so they had him pretend to run this factory or whatever.

evol j, Friday, 6 July 2018 16:49 (seven years ago)

they should have had him wear rick perry glasses though, they make you smart

Karl Malone, Friday, 6 July 2018 16:54 (seven years ago)

every 'trump voters sticking by their guy' piece was written in 1976

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqvYNoiPDKw

maura, Friday, 6 July 2018 17:02 (seven years ago)

Rick Perry instructing a CRISPR team sounds hilarious xp

Hunt3r, Friday, 6 July 2018 17:03 (seven years ago)

another day, another story about GOP sexual predators and a wrestling team

https://thinkprogress.org/jordan-wrestlers-coming-forward-758b8ddcc70e/

Οὖτις, Friday, 6 July 2018 17:21 (seven years ago)

So I heard that it was Lionel Davis representing Cohen.

(Sorry.)

Sybil Disobedience (Leee), Friday, 6 July 2018 17:29 (seven years ago)

The url lol: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/07/06/will-susan-collins-get-snookered-again-218951

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 July 2018 17:34 (seven years ago)

that's the third time I've seen that argument that Collins (and/or Murkowski) exercise leverage and hold-out for a bipartisan process but... come on does anyone really think that is going to happen? It would be a blow to McConnell's power as Maj. Leader on one of only issues for which he can claim any real success, he would do everything in his power to circumvent/crush it.

Οὖτις, Friday, 6 July 2018 17:40 (seven years ago)

It doesn't occur to the writer that "snookered" for Collins "I'm voting exactly how I want."

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 July 2018 17:45 (seven years ago)

All Collins really wants is a fig leaf to cover her naughty bits votes. I read she talked to Trump and he personally assured her that he would not ask his nominee about their position on Roe v Wade. This seemed to satisfy her.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 6 July 2018 18:04 (seven years ago)

having no idea is not the worst thing in this context

― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, July 6, 2018 12:36 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

seriously, I just looked at the full list of Cabinet members and if you only count the people who have been there since the beginning, I don't know how Perry isn't the "best" simply because afaik he hasn't really done anything personally or through the power of his position sufficiently destructive to warrant much attention.

evol j, Friday, 6 July 2018 18:14 (seven years ago)

happy two year anniversary to this tweet

Where is the outrage for this Disney book? Is this the 'Star of David' also?
Dishonest media! #Frozen pic.twitter.com/4LJBpSm8xa

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 7, 2016

frogbs, Friday, 6 July 2018 18:15 (seven years ago)

50 schtickers

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 6 July 2018 18:17 (seven years ago)

There, they dive into Bible study. Energy Secretary Rick Perry, Agriculture Secretary Sonny Perdue, Education Secretary Betsy DeVos and Carson are among the regular attendees, and at times they are joined by Vice President Mike Pence and others.

wtf crazy bible are they studying where they don't end up thinking they'll burn in hell?

Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Friday, 6 July 2018 18:30 (seven years ago)

they skip all the wimpy compassionate stuff

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 6 July 2018 18:32 (seven years ago)

The Wall Street version of #resistance - the Serve America Movement - is ludicrously being led by Morgan Stanley luminaries who don’t seem to know exactly what they stand for: https://t.co/HRJhAsNfGN

— Matt Taibbi (@mtaibbi) July 3, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 6 July 2018 18:32 (seven years ago)

I can't even laugh at the Bible study thing too much since apparently Gillenbrand does it too.

evol j, Friday, 6 July 2018 18:35 (seven years ago)

xpost The thing I remember most about E. Grossman was he trying to get all trash cans removed from all the desks so that people would have to get up and move around to throw away their rubbish.

Yerac, Friday, 6 July 2018 18:40 (seven years ago)

I assume bible study means planning sessions for the establishment of Gilead.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 6 July 2018 18:48 (seven years ago)

the thing I don't understand is the consequences of them failing to fulfill the court order. Like, do they get a fine or are they at risk for a further injunction or...?

Οὖτις, Friday, 6 July 2018 19:26 (seven years ago)

Good news:

BREAKING: The US attorney's office in DC is dismissing all remaining Inauguration Day mass arrest cases. The government had been unable to secure any convictions at trial so far; there were 38 cases left.
Filing: https://t.co/G3Sj03ZyyN
Statement from the US attorney's office: pic.twitter.com/ikySuzE65s

— Zoe Tillman (@ZoeTillman) July 6, 2018

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 6 July 2018 19:35 (seven years ago)

Thank god. Fucking waste of time and money for everyone involved.

Yerac, Friday, 6 July 2018 19:42 (seven years ago)

Well, not if the goal was to terrify and intimidate people.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 6 July 2018 20:09 (seven years ago)

don't think ppl have been terrified and intimidated out of protesting tbh

Οὖτις, Friday, 6 July 2018 20:12 (seven years ago)

https://www.mediaite.com/online/bill-shines-wife-complained-she-couldnt-use-n-word-and-spread-conspiracy-theories-about-blacks/

big surprise that the new White House communications chief's wife is a racist bitch

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 6 July 2018 20:20 (seven years ago)

COOK BRAT SEAT TOSS

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 6 July 2018 20:34 (seven years ago)

Wow, that Shine article. All the overconfidence, none of the intelligence or compassion. Kind of how I imagined the "ching chong" girl turning out.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Friday, 6 July 2018 20:41 (seven years ago)

over and over, they just want permission to be racist

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 6 July 2018 21:03 (seven years ago)

how I imagined the "ching chong" girl turning out.

I had to google and apparently this is some instagram teenager who made a ~rap~ dis song on youtube with the refrain "ching chong ching chong ching chong bitch" in September 2017

also she is a baby dolezal

kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Friday, 6 July 2018 21:12 (seven years ago)

get comfy, shitbag!
https://www.sfgate.com/news/politics/article/Lawyers-Manafort-in-solitary-confinement-as-he-13054605.php

Οὖτις, Friday, 6 July 2018 21:14 (seven years ago)

At least one of them got locked up.
Shame it wasn't Flynn really. MIght have been a little more fitting after his cheerleading.
Do hope Manafort is going to remain in there for a good long while. He's not going to flip now or anything is he?
I mean equal rights for evil shits innit. Like too remain behind bars when you've been caught like.

Stevolende, Friday, 6 July 2018 21:24 (seven years ago)

at this point I would guess that no, Manafort will not flip because he is counting (with good reason) on a full pardon.

Οὖτις, Friday, 6 July 2018 21:27 (seven years ago)

I'm not sure he *can* flip. Committing crimes while under house arrest tends to erode whatever legal bargaining power you once had.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 6 July 2018 21:31 (seven years ago)

fair point.

trying to think what unrepentant Watergate figure he most resembles - he's not a low-level thug like Liddy, nor a cabinet member. Bebe Rebozo, I suppose?

Οὖτις, Friday, 6 July 2018 21:35 (seven years ago)

Mitchell was unrepentant but a far bigger deal in the administration

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 July 2018 21:39 (seven years ago)

I forgot that Mitchell was Nixon's campaign manager in '72!

Οὖτις, Friday, 6 July 2018 21:42 (seven years ago)

Was wondering why he was laying low.

NEW: NYT: Mueller needs to prove that he has evidence that Trump committed a crime & that his testimony is essential to completing the investigation before Trump would agree to an interview, per Giuliani, Trump’s lead lawyer in the case https://t.co/5sIi9xbL3C @nytmike @maggieNYT

— Evan Rosenfeld (@Evan_Rosenfeld) July 7, 2018

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 7 July 2018 00:50 (seven years ago)

um, that's ridiculous.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 7 July 2018 01:16 (seven years ago)

Murder suspects should try that one

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 7 July 2018 01:19 (seven years ago)

and desperate

xp

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 July 2018 01:19 (seven years ago)

he should have offered to sit for an interview only if mueller provided proof that he was not guilty.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 7 July 2018 01:38 (seven years ago)

Hey look another actual Nazi won a GOP primary
https://m.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Bay-Area-GOP-candidate-denies-Holocaust-13055111.php

Οὖτις, Saturday, 7 July 2018 02:13 (seven years ago)

jesus, how many is that now? 3? more?

Karl Malone, Saturday, 7 July 2018 02:26 (seven years ago)

trick question. all of them are nazis.

21st savagery fox (m bison), Saturday, 7 July 2018 02:31 (seven years ago)

omar navarro (maxine waters' opponent in ca 43) has a campaign staff made up of known local supervisor meeting anti-semite cranks and nazis and brings the proud boys to his rallies.

discussed around 8 mins in on the (very good!) LA podcast: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/time-crisis-edge-of-navarro/id1365234191?i=1000414019769&mt=2

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 7 July 2018 02:52 (seven years ago)

all of them are nazis.

it depends on whether you think a crypto-Nazi qualifies as a real Nazi or just a fellow traveler.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 7 July 2018 04:27 (seven years ago)

where would you draw the line, aimless

mookieproof, Saturday, 7 July 2018 04:29 (seven years ago)

Ha speak of the devils

There’s a GOP candidate for Congress in CA who:
-is friends with anti-Semite Baked Alaska
-has a bodyguard who went to the Charlottesville rally
-has aides who post the 14 words and use parentheses to indicate Jewish people

The guy in this article is a DIFFERENT GOP candidate. https://t.co/gL5ATeVhtC

— Hayes Davenport (@hayesdavenport) July 7, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 7 July 2018 04:36 (seven years ago)

xp - at the point where they give active or material support or encouragement to fascist policies. merely sympathizing secretly, but impotently, although it is reprehensible enough, adds no energy to the system in any particular direction. btw, voting for fascists def counts as support and encouragement.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 7 July 2018 04:39 (seven years ago)

so, arthur jones (illinois, 3rd district), john fitzgerald, (california, 11th district), and whoever is friends with Baked Alaska are all candidates in the general for the house of reps

then russell walker running for state rep in north carolina's 48th district

Karl Malone, Saturday, 7 July 2018 04:46 (seven years ago)

Baked Alaska friend is Omar Navarro

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 7 July 2018 04:49 (seven years ago)

Manafort wants his trial moved from Northern Virginia (which is too liberal to be fair) to someplace more rural, like Roanoke.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/paul-manafort-wants-trial-moved-to-roanoke-says-alexandria-too-liberal/2018/07/06/0b6b72c6-8167-11e8-b658-4f4d2a1aeef1_story.html

I must say, this is an interesting idea that should be carried further. Let's have all proceedings for immigration law take place in Queens, Berkeley, Portland, or Madison.

All drug possession cases will be henceforth tried in Compton.

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 7 July 2018 13:03 (seven years ago)

Of course the optimal venue for the Manafort trial is Moscow, but whatevs

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 7 July 2018 13:06 (seven years ago)

As I warned you, these clowns will fuck this up and when they do, they shift the blame to Kim and start doing really dangerous things. https://t.co/MkC7q8dm7N

— Jeffrey Lewis (@ArmsControlWonk) July 7, 2018

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Saturday, 7 July 2018 19:58 (seven years ago)

I didn't know there was a second occurrence of "ching chong". What I was referencing was Al3xandra W@llace's rant about not being able to reach a PoliSci epiphany in the UCLA library because of Asian distractions. Jimmy Wong's song is a perfect response. I bought the song.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Saturday, 7 July 2018 20:42 (seven years ago)

is this Al3xandra here?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOB2RyWhfRs

kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Saturday, 7 July 2018 21:00 (seven years ago)

Thought this wasn’t a bad read, on the way that basically all these people will still find relatively cushy private sector jobs in DC regardless of what transpires: https://splinternews.com/there-s-no-trump-administration-crony-too-evil-for-dc-s-1827306717

El Tomboto, Sunday, 8 July 2018 00:05 (seven years ago)

Another experienced lobbyist was less circumspect. Pat Griffin, a veteran Democratic lobbyist, said Nieslen would have no trouble getting hired after working for Trump. Griffin said he suspects if Trump disavowed Nielsen in some public way, that could pose problems for her, but if she’s able to go quietly, “She’ll do just fine in this perverted little world.” Relationships, such as with those “on the Hill, in the area she has some expertise,” trump all other considerations, he said.

the real swamp

Simon H., Sunday, 8 July 2018 00:18 (seven years ago)

On the flip side, I’m proud of juries in my town not giving the prosecution team a single win in months of trials for the inauguration protesters

El Tomboto, Sunday, 8 July 2018 00:28 (seven years ago)

"you'll never work in this town again" is only for Hollywood

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 8 July 2018 00:36 (seven years ago)

Parklife! https://t.co/iOqWqOdKjT

— Maggie Serota (@maggieserota) July 7, 2018

grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 8 July 2018 12:31 (seven years ago)

Rigged Witch Hunt would be an awesome band name.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 8 July 2018 13:37 (seven years ago)

good mourning!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 8 July 2018 13:41 (seven years ago)

Isn't a rigged witch hunt something of a double negative? If the witch hunt is rigged, doesn't that mean there *is* a witch?

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 8 July 2018 13:57 (seven years ago)

that's an Obama-era analysis based on anything meaning anything

com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Sunday, 8 July 2018 14:53 (seven years ago)

Meantime

When former @realDonaldTrump lawyer Ty Cobb plays air guitar at a punk rock show in DC last night. #ItsMuellerTime #MAGA #slashrundc #harDCore #DrainTheSwamp pic.twitter.com/hMmcguzDRA

— Chris (@chris_suspect) July 8, 2018

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 8 July 2018 15:01 (seven years ago)

PUNK'S NOT DEAD

Fox News' Chad Pergram contributed to this report (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 8 July 2018 15:09 (seven years ago)

anyone know what wilford brimley was up to last night btw

Fox News' Chad Pergram contributed to this report (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 8 July 2018 15:10 (seven years ago)

looks like the other local punks, after discovering that ty cobb was present, proceeded to loosen up their ties just a bit, slinging the suitcoat over one shoulder if need be

Karl Malone, Sunday, 8 July 2018 15:16 (seven years ago)

and they all flocked to Cobb like Methodists to a potluck

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Sunday, 8 July 2018 15:27 (seven years ago)

Apparently Ty Cobb saw the hardcore band Copstabber at my local punk/metal bar @slashrundc last night https://t.co/PB90b5FEXM

— Daniel Newhauser (@dnewhauser) July 8, 2018

Simon H., Sunday, 8 July 2018 16:36 (seven years ago)

oh fuck sorry for double post

Simon H., Sunday, 8 July 2018 16:37 (seven years ago)

https://copstabber1.bandcamp.com/
is what Ty Cobb's into?

Stevolende, Sunday, 8 July 2018 16:48 (seven years ago)


A resolution to encourage breast-feeding was expected to be approved quickly and easily by the hundreds of government delegates who gathered this spring in Geneva for the United Nations-affiliated World Health Assembly.

Based on decades of research, the resolution says that mother’s milk is healthiest for children and countries should strive to limit the inaccurate or misleading marketing of breast milk substitutes.

Then the United States delegation, embracing the interests of infant formula manufacturers, upended the deliberations.

American officials sought to water down the resolution by removing language that called on governments to “protect, promote and support breast-feeding” and another passage that called on policymakers to restrict the promotion of food products that many experts say can have deleterious effects on young children.

When that failed, they turned to threats, according to diplomats and government officials who took part in the discussions. Ecuador, which had planned to introduce the measure, was the first to find itself in the cross hairs.

The Americans were blunt: If Ecuador refused to drop the resolution, Washington would unleash punishing trade measures and withdraw crucial military aid. The Ecuadorean government quickly acquiesced.

The showdown over the issue was recounted by more than a dozen participants from several countries, many of whom requested anonymity because they feared retaliation from the United States.

...“What happened was tantamount to blackmail, with the U.S. holding the world hostage and trying to overturn nearly 40 years of consensus on best way to protect infant and young child health,” she said.

In the end, the Americans’ efforts were mostly unsuccessful. It was the Russians who ultimately stepped in to introduce the measure — and the Americans did not threaten them.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/08/health/world-health-breastfeeding-ecuador-trump.html

one of those stories that won't gain any traction, but jfc

Karl Malone, Sunday, 8 July 2018 16:57 (seven years ago)

I thought people were still boycotting Nestlé decades after their debacle in the 80s over promotion of formula

Stevolende, Sunday, 8 July 2018 17:02 (seven years ago)

https://copstabber1.bandcamp.com/

They still make bands like this, huh?

grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 8 July 2018 17:06 (seven years ago)

Their song "Piece of Meat" sounds like a fake punk song from an episode of Law & Order: SVU.

grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 8 July 2018 17:06 (seven years ago)

The fuck is wrong with baby formula?

Mr. Snrub, Sunday, 8 July 2018 19:26 (seven years ago)

Based on decades of research, the resolution says that mother’s milk is healthiest for children

...does not say formula is bad, but rather that it is inferior.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 8 July 2018 19:32 (seven years ago)

THe big issue was that baby formula was being promoted over the use of mother's milk. Like it being said taht mother's milk itself was inferior. I would assume that baby formula was an attempt to replicate the benefits of mother's milk by artificial or not 100% natural means.
I think the use fo mother's milk heklps to pass on immunity to local pathogens etc. Since the mother has adapted to their local environment whereas baby formula is done to cover as wide an area as possible etc.

But nestlé et al could afford more advertising sugesting that mother's milk was the old passé way whereas this scientifiaclly created formula was the thing of the future.
Which caused outcry and boycotting across a lot of the globe and the stigma survives. But not all mother's are able to create milk all the time so formula does have its uses

Stevolende, Sunday, 8 July 2018 19:39 (seven years ago)

And formula is only as good as your clean water, which is a problem for many people in the world.

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Sunday, 8 July 2018 19:41 (seven years ago)

And formula isn’t free

stet, Sunday, 8 July 2018 20:00 (seven years ago)

all of that is nice, but how would our pharmaceutical companies make money off of breastfeeding? won't someone think of our favorite corps?

Karl Malone, Sunday, 8 July 2018 20:06 (seven years ago)

yo fuck off Snrub

this is the single worst story so far IMO

sleeve, Sunday, 8 July 2018 21:47 (seven years ago)

I know, corporations=evil and all but my own personal children would likely have died without formula. So.

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 8 July 2018 21:54 (seven years ago)

It's not that formula's bad, like. Giving it away free to mothers for just long enough for their milk to dry up is. Especially when they live in areas without reliably clean water.

And it is those people WHO is trying to protect.

stet, Sunday, 8 July 2018 22:47 (seven years ago)

Yeah formula is fine it’s stigmatizing breastfeeding which is stupid and bad. But you can settle down sleeve, Snrub asked a question

El Tomboto, Sunday, 8 July 2018 22:49 (seven years ago)

Snrub acted like a total dick who refuses to know anything

kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Sunday, 8 July 2018 23:35 (seven years ago)

The fuck is wrong with baby formula?


This is his post. Was there another one I missed?

El Tomboto, Sunday, 8 July 2018 23:55 (seven years ago)

Hey, I’m just trying to learn here. Sheesh.

Mr. Snrub, Monday, 9 July 2018 00:05 (seven years ago)

http://thehill.com/policy/international/396031-police-uk-woman-dies-after-exposure-to-soviet-era-nerve-agent

Our foreign policy is shot to all shit. Random citizens of allied countries have died and are dying from exposure to Russian nerve agents used in a sloppy assassination attempt and we say nothing. It’s fucking inexcusable.

El Tomboto, Monday, 9 July 2018 00:07 (seven years ago)

Every one of the senators who spent Independence Day in Moscow deserves to watch their own family die from novichok exposure.

El Tomboto, Monday, 9 July 2018 00:09 (seven years ago)

"“No comfort for fascists!” said the man who called McConnell a “turtle head.”"

Groove(box) Denied (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 9 July 2018 00:16 (seven years ago)

Mitch just deserves to be burned over 90% of his body and scream until his lungs and heart can no longer function, like the IED victim I read about the other day.

El Tomboto, Monday, 9 July 2018 00:17 (seven years ago)

Ready for the cries of the anguished who say the lefties have gone too far. (Of course, this is *nothing*.)

Simon H., Monday, 9 July 2018 00:18 (seven years ago)

The Nestlé boycott has been going on since 1977, and followed a semi-failed libel trial over reporting on their practices. If one had not been aware of this at any point in the last 41 years*, and wanted to learn about it, they might more fruitfully say "I've never heard of this boycott. What is the issue with the marketing of baby formula in underdeveloped countries?" than to demand "The fuck is wrong with baby formula?"

The latter suggests an immediate attitude of not believing anything could be wrong with baby formula, the marketing thereof, or the use of it in conditions where clean water is unavailable. This places an unwarranted onus of defence on those questioned.

Snrub's 18-year posting history suggests that he considers ignorance a virtue, making this phrasing still more aggressive than it might read in more general ILX badinage.


*I'm not sure if I'd ever known about the libel trial element before checking the date, just now.

kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Monday, 9 July 2018 00:27 (seven years ago)

I would like to track all such cries to their sources and dislocate the jaws involved

El Tomboto, Monday, 9 July 2018 00:28 (seven years ago)

OK sic you win. I’m sure there’s a science fiction thread that demands your astuteness

El Tomboto, Monday, 9 July 2018 00:29 (seven years ago)

Quality blobfish harrassment upthread

Οὖτις, Monday, 9 July 2018 02:08 (seven years ago)

Ironically it’s the near-total lack of women on this thread that’s stopping it from turning into a massive firestorm right now.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 9 July 2018 06:56 (seven years ago)

Re breastfeeding - i work in medical and my orientation included a whole segment on the importance of it, was refreshing to see a level headed reaction to it

Ross, Monday, 9 July 2018 07:27 (seven years ago)

Do you mean ironic in the sense that women might generally agree that the white-liberal neighborhood shaming of who breastfeeds and who doesn’t have fuck all to do with the US pushing dangerous info to marginalized people in South America that Nestle wants to make a disgusting buck off of?

I can empathize with parents who choose formula in countries where their children will live with no appreciable difference; hustling the rest of the world for the purpose of a state-sanctioned (USA!) bottom line is some ‘Third Man’ (rip Graham Greene) horseshit — sometimes the line between parenting and libertarianism makes me think the latter ought to show its card on the parents who buy into it

lion in winter, Monday, 9 July 2018 07:29 (seven years ago)

No, but I should make it clearer that I don't mean "women be fighting". It's another ILX situation where there's a hearty discussion sans people with any skin in the game (nb I have no skin in the game) and my experience is that a discussion involving said people can get friendship-destroying very quickly.

the white-liberal neighborhood shaming of who breastfeeds and who doesn’t

That is, ah, an interesting view of the phenomenon.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 9 July 2018 10:21 (seven years ago)

Oh I have skin in the game, as does YMP, and formula forever in that regard. Pushing formula on people, though, if it’s anything like the way breastfeeding was pushed on my family, is bullshit and deserves forceful reprimand.

As others have pointed out this is just one more symptom of the administration’s truly phenomenal schoolyard bully foreign policy. We’re happy to pick on Ecuador all day but god forbid Russia get called out for fucking poisoning our allies.

El Tomboto, Monday, 9 July 2018 10:30 (seven years ago)

good mourning!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 July 2018 10:51 (seven years ago)

Morning Tom,

The UK cannot give a crap about Russians poisoning random civilians because

a) football
b) lighting the country on fire thanks, in part, to previous russian meddling; but mainly due to our own native stupidity

Thanks for caring, I’m glad someone does. Adopting a policy that encourages 3rd world mothers to poison their own children seems par for the course these days. Fuck me, the world is a miserable place right now.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 9 July 2018 11:00 (seven years ago)

Good evening Ed,

The UK already made a statement to the effect that Russians poisoning people on its soil was fucking unacceptable. The USA sent a pile of red state senators to the Russian capital to make more pee pee tapes in response. Don’t get in the way of my rage.

El Tomboto, Monday, 9 July 2018 11:46 (seven years ago)

I think it took a car bombing in the US for America to decide supporting Operation Condor wasn’t great. (That’s half-remembered from a long time ago, so maybe I’m mistaken.)

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Monday, 9 July 2018 12:00 (seven years ago)

however jackie chan’s armour of god ii: operation condor (1990) is rad iirc

there’s gonna be a hot time in the ol’ tub machine tonight (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 9 July 2018 12:05 (seven years ago)

Good read, despite the byline: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/07/trump-putin-russia-collusion.html

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 July 2018 12:41 (seven years ago)

xpost Is that the one with the wind tunnel fight?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 July 2018 12:41 (seven years ago)

yeah!

there’s gonna be a hot time in the ol’ tub machine tonight (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 9 July 2018 12:57 (seven years ago)

apparently that Chait piece lifts a theory from....Lyndon LaRouche, lol

Simon H., Monday, 9 July 2018 13:21 (seven years ago)

http://joan-druett.blogspot.com/2017/01/a-trump-prediction-from-1987.html?m=1

Simon H., Monday, 9 July 2018 13:23 (seven years ago)

The crux of the Chait piece is the most amazing aspect of this whole mess: "How do you even think about the small but real  chance — 10 percent? 20 percent? — that the president of the United States has been covertly influenced or personally compromised by a hostile foreign power for decades?" We have no idea how small or real, but we know it's not "zero" and it could be as high as "100%."

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 July 2018 13:29 (seven years ago)

I mean, he's almost certainly a rapist and that can be deduced without a Pepe Silvia-style diagram.

Simon H., Monday, 9 July 2018 13:37 (seven years ago)

keep it up boys

https://www.twitter.com/eschor/status/1016302632883970048

frogbs, Monday, 9 July 2018 13:52 (seven years ago)

fuck yeah

Simon H., Monday, 9 July 2018 13:53 (seven years ago)

these people are going to be using interns as food-tasters soon

President Keyes, Monday, 9 July 2018 13:56 (seven years ago)

i am having trouble making it through the article without stopping every paragraph to imagine strangling trump

Karl Malone, Monday, 9 July 2018 14:09 (seven years ago)

the nymag piece, i mean. other trivial notes: must be nice to be a famous artist so you can just coast; that graphic showing all the connections between the actors may be based on real information but it looks completely ridiculous; and all of this is going to be 100x bigger than JFK for conspiracy theorists til the day i finally die

Karl Malone, Monday, 9 July 2018 14:10 (seven years ago)

i am having trouble making it through the article without stopping every paragraph to imagine strangling trump

― Karl Malone,

And pissing on him?

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 July 2018 14:28 (seven years ago)

He'd like that tho.

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 9 July 2018 14:29 (seven years ago)

these people are going to be using interns as food-tasters soon

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 9 July 2018 14:39 (seven years ago)

I have confidence that Kim Jong Un will honor the contract we signed &, even more importantly, our handshake. We agreed to the denuclearization of North Korea. China, on the other hand, may be exerting negative pressure on a deal because of our posture on Chinese Trade-Hope Not!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 9, 2018

yea dude the handshake is what did it

frogbs, Monday, 9 July 2018 14:42 (seven years ago)

https://i.imgur.com/MMfgN2A.jpg

Karl Malone, Monday, 9 July 2018 14:45 (seven years ago)

Even more importantly, our handshake.

https://cdn.watch.aetnd.com/prod.cdn.watch.aetnd.com.s3.amazonaws.com/sites/2/2018/05/hith-handshake-nixon-elvis-E.jpeg?w=1200

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 9 July 2018 14:47 (seven years ago)

elvis as drug czar was actually a very accurate primer for the trump administration's cabinet selections

Karl Malone, Monday, 9 July 2018 14:50 (seven years ago)

I went with that for lolz but so many handshakes to choose from. Hitler/Chamberlain. Stalin/Roosevelt.

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 9 July 2018 15:02 (seven years ago)

wow that chait piece was me politely smiling and nodding briefly up to recognition one of us is probly having a manic episode

Hunt3r, Monday, 9 July 2018 15:05 (seven years ago)

Michelle Wolf has it right. We all should have a tight collection of scathing criticisms to lob at Trump sycophants on the off chance we run across one.

Yerac, Monday, 9 July 2018 15:24 (seven years ago)

nah, i don't think it's crazy. there are several dozen highly suspicious, sometimes damning, things that the public already knows about. the anecdote in the closing paragraphs, for example - just before the inauguration the CIA essentially told Israel that trump was a Putin's puppet and not to share sensitive information with him. that alone is O_O.

i hope we all make it through this year alive, and by that i mean i hope a bunch of incredibly stupid americans with guns don't decide to defend trump's honor once he's going down

Karl Malone, Monday, 9 July 2018 15:26 (seven years ago)

xpost

Karl Malone, Monday, 9 July 2018 15:26 (seven years ago)

i mean i hope a bunch of incredibly stupid americans with guns don't decide to defend trump's honor once he's going down

That's more than he ever did.

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 9 July 2018 15:35 (seven years ago)

xp

I understand/think dude has a very long term client relationship of some kind, but the leash depicted there is so tight and strong, I don't see how a stupid willful dog like Trump would ever comply that long

Hunt3r, Monday, 9 July 2018 15:39 (seven years ago)

then why is he demanding a one-on-one meeting with Putin with no else present, against the protests of virtually everyone in the entire world including his own advisers, even though it is literally the most suspicious thing he could do in these circumstances

Karl Malone, Monday, 9 July 2018 15:41 (seven years ago)

the audacious stupidity of it is so overwhelming, like what else could that possibly mean, other than he's reporting in to dad to get new instructions

Karl Malone, Monday, 9 July 2018 15:42 (seven years ago)

i rather think he is so fucking deluded that he believes his BS that he is at this point in control of the leash man

Hunt3r, Monday, 9 July 2018 15:42 (seven years ago)

Michelle Wolf has it right. We all should have a tight collection of scathing criticisms to lob at Trump sycophants on the off chance we run across one.


I have 36

El Tomboto, Monday, 9 July 2018 15:42 (seven years ago)

i guess i'll out myself as crazy here, but i'll go ahead and be the first person to suggest that trump's endgame might be being whisked away to some island palace where he can't be extradited.

Karl Malone, Monday, 9 July 2018 15:45 (seven years ago)

xpost to Hunt3r - yeah you might be right about that! what a shitshow

Karl Malone, Monday, 9 July 2018 15:45 (seven years ago)

xp he has got away with everything so far, as far as he can tell. BKs, mob shit, money launders. now he's prez. hand is still hot.

oh, i agree that might be another delusion.

Hunt3r, Monday, 9 July 2018 15:45 (seven years ago)

then why is he demanding a one-on-one meeting with Putin with no else present, against the protests of virtually everyone in the entire world including his own advisers, even though it is literally the most suspicious thing he could do in these circumstances

I understand that he has also stipulated that they will be using the Cone of Silence

https://villagemedia.blob.core.windows.net/files/sootoday/images/stock-images/coneofsilence.jpg

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 9 July 2018 15:45 (seven years ago)

lol

Karl Malone, Monday, 9 July 2018 15:46 (seven years ago)

The Navy would like remind everyone that they actually give a shit about treaties and alliances

Alliances with our @NATO partners remains a crucial element in maintaining global security in order to deter, defend, and win against our adversaries. #NavyLethality #Partnerships #SeaBreeze https://t.co/valheMWrZI

— U.S. Navy (@USNavy) July 8, 2018

El Tomboto, Monday, 9 July 2018 15:49 (seven years ago)

there have been literally no consequences for anything so far and if he gets his one-on-one meeting with Putin people will forget about it in a week or two. Congressional Republicans will look the other way and the news media will treat this as just another thing that "looks bad" but ultimately probably doesn't mean anything. what happened when he met with Russian ambassadors in the White House without any US media, then bragged about firing Comey and proceeded to give away confidential info?

frogbs, Monday, 9 July 2018 15:53 (seven years ago)

it made for a really satisfying conclusion to a chait piece

Karl Malone, Monday, 9 July 2018 15:58 (seven years ago)

i'll go ahead and be the first person to suggest that trump's endgame might be being whisked away to some island palace where he can't be extradited

I really don't think he has an endgame, or can remember what he had for Sunday brunch.

Simon H., Monday, 9 July 2018 16:00 (seven years ago)

his endgame is: my supporters have a hell of a lot more guns

President Keyes, Monday, 9 July 2018 16:03 (seven years ago)

the (tweeted) excuse as he flies away on a russian jet toward an unknown tropical destination, just after mike pence turns on him: "the DEEP STATE is CORRUPT, the FBI colluded with crooked Hillary Clinton and the Angry Democrats are out to get me! Hannity exonerated me last night and the failing New York Times refuses to accept the truth! No chance of fair trial here so I am regrouping with my patriotic staff so that we can form a new USA with just us in a secret place, PEACE OUT!"

Karl Malone, Monday, 9 July 2018 16:05 (seven years ago)

i am just joking, totally serious, mean none of that but also part of it, this whole business is making me lose it tbh (and i think the same is true of many people, which plays into dipshit's hands)

Karl Malone, Monday, 9 July 2018 16:06 (seven years ago)

you'll have a new SCOTUS nominee to channel yr rage at soon I hear

Simon H., Monday, 9 July 2018 16:10 (seven years ago)

his endgame is: my supporters have a hell of a lot more guns
so real it hurts, no joke. i'm not even sure trump relies on that info, but i expect most of his believers do.

Hunt3r, Monday, 9 July 2018 16:12 (seven years ago)

I'm amusing myself by imagining the tweets if the networks all decided not to run his episode of The Bachelor: Supreme Court Edition live, and instead just reported who he'd picked on the 11 o'clock news.

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 9 July 2018 16:13 (seven years ago)

I really don't think he has an endgame, or can remember what he had for Sunday brunch.

― Simon H., Monday, July 9, 2018 12:00 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/pbox.php?url=http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/files/2016/08/Screen-Shot-2016-08-02-at-7.38.19-AM.png&w=1484&op=resize&opt=1&filter=antialias&t=20170517

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 July 2018 16:15 (seven years ago)

you'll have a new SCOTUS nominee to channel yr rage at soon I hear

― Simon H., Monday, July 9, 2018 4:10 PM (twenty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

my amateur take is picking barrett is the realest troll move but I dont think trump can put his misogyny aside and NOT nominate a white male

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 9 July 2018 16:33 (seven years ago)

The “there’s indications Russia had an interest in him in 1987” thing that matches something written in an old LaRouche newsletter is just a very small part of it. Good reasons not to like Chait but no good reasons at this point to deny the general conclusions of the piece.

apparently that Chait piece lifts a theory from....Lyndon LaRouche, lol
― Simon H., Monday, July 9, 2018 6:21 AM (two hours ago)

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 9 July 2018 16:33 (seven years ago)

his endgame is: my supporters have a hell of a lot more guns

so real it hurts, no joke. i'm not even sure trump relies on that info, but i expect most of his believers do.

Yeah it's curious. He's always been a racist, sexist piece of shit of course. But he wasn't THIS specific piece of shit, surfing on THESE specific waves of identity politics, until 2016.

It wasn't until someone (i.e., not him) realized there was a massive amount of political power that could be grabbed if you stroked these particular scrotums in this specific way that it turned into a movement. It capitalized on the Teahadi backlash to Obama's election, but the potential energy had been there on the scene since the Gingrich contract days.

Trump feeds on the energy of his redhat supporters like a leech, but it's interesting to remember that it seems like he only discovered them a couple years ago; they must still seem to him like a happy accident. Wow, all these froth-flecked people howling my name, great. It's not like he was specifically courting these choads ten, or even five, years ago. But: match made in heaven. They're both so happy they found each other. It might be sweet if it weren't so horrifying.

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 9 July 2018 16:34 (seven years ago)

there's also the fact that it doesn't once reckon with the fall of the Soviet Union (h/t Hannah Gais) xp

Simon H., Monday, 9 July 2018 16:35 (seven years ago)

It's not like he was specifically courting these choads ten, or even five, years ago.

the birther stuff was in like 2011, maybe even earlier, so he was well on a path before 2016

President Keyes, Monday, 9 July 2018 17:04 (seven years ago)

yeah he seems pretty consistent, he's just gotten less and less "cogent" over the years

Simon H., Monday, 9 July 2018 17:06 (seven years ago)

there's also the fact that it doesn't once reckon with the fall of the Soviet Union (h/t Hannah Gais) xp

― Simon H., Monday, July 9, 2018 12:35 PM (thirty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah this is... a major issue in my (layperson, relative idiot) opinion

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Monday, 9 July 2018 17:15 (seven years ago)

xxpost It’s not really relevant though. The important stuff covered all happens after the fall of the Soviet Union and it’s not a stretch to suggest mutual business interests and individuals with govt influence persist/recoagulate across that change. She’s mischaracterizing or maybe misidentifying the implication there.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 9 July 2018 17:15 (seven years ago)

I would think it's at least worthy of inquiry if you're out to look into this sort of thing.

Simon H., Monday, 9 July 2018 17:24 (seven years ago)

Link for those who don’t know what you’re referring to (and it’s a good read even if I think she’s cherry-picking her nutjobs just a tad): https://thebaffler.com/this-american-carnage/whos-afraid-of-the-russian-soul-gais

El Tomboto, Monday, 9 July 2018 17:49 (seven years ago)

then why is he demanding a one-on-one meeting with Putin with no else present

fwiw, when this was brought up recently, someone pointed out that Reagan and Gorbachev met one-on-one for 5 hours at their (last?) summit. I don't remember anyone freaking out about it, but maybe they did.

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 July 2018 17:54 (seven years ago)

Weinberger probably did

Οὖτις, Monday, 9 July 2018 17:55 (seven years ago)

archive:

http://articles.latimes.com/1985-11-19/news/mn-7784_1_private-meeting

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 July 2018 17:56 (seven years ago)

Don’t recall Gorby operating an “Internet Research Agency,” probing our election systems, or violently seizing land from an independent neighboring republic

El Tomboto, Monday, 9 July 2018 17:56 (seven years ago)

I was actually referring to Gais' comments on Twitter but thx for the link Tombot xps

Simon H., Monday, 9 July 2018 18:03 (seven years ago)

wiw, when this was brought up recently, someone pointed out that Reagan and Gorbachev met one-on-one for 5 hours at their (last?) summit. I don't remember anyone freaking out about it, but maybe they did.

― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, July 9, 2018 1:54 PM

shoudl also point out that the library chat in Geneva was scrupulously scripted by Reagan and Gorby's staffs. It wasn't spontaneous. Each had his staff-supplied points.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 July 2018 18:03 (seven years ago)

maybe reagan was like "hey i got this kid donald trump on my team, i'll have him meet up with you all in moscow in 1987 and we'll get this ball rolling"

Karl Malone, Monday, 9 July 2018 18:16 (seven years ago)

I suspected you'd have the historical dope, Alfred. (But I'm not sure RR was always staying on script by then.)

In Montgomery Burns territory... Bloomberg reports:

Donald Trump’s personal driver for more than 25 years says the billionaire real estate developer didn’t pay him overtime and raised his salary only twice in 15 years, clawing back the second raise by cutting off his health benefits.

Noel Cintron, who is listed in public records as a registered Republican, sued the Trump Organization for about 3,300 hours of overtime that he says he worked in the past six years. He’s not allowed to sue for overtime prior to that due to the statute of limitations.

“In an utterly callous display of unwarranted privilege and entitlement and without even a minimal sense of noblesse oblige,” Trump and his businesses exploited the driver, Cintron says in the complaint.

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 July 2018 18:19 (seven years ago)

Why do people think Kushner wanted a secret back channel to Russia?

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 9 July 2018 18:24 (seven years ago)

Nothing about the current govt presided over by an ex-KGB agent could have possibly carried over from the USSR, it’s “Russophobia” to speculate about that.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 9 July 2018 18:32 (seven years ago)

NP, I just said it was worth addressing in the piece. Sheesh.

Simon H., Monday, 9 July 2018 18:33 (seven years ago)

i guess i'll out myself as crazy here, but i'll go ahead and be the first person to suggest that trump's endgame might be being whisked away to some island palace where he can't be extradited.

i half-believe he'll defect during his one-on-one with Putin, CURTAIN. But then again, that's how I thought The Americans would end, too.

Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Monday, 9 July 2018 18:36 (seven years ago)

president trump keeps demanding an 18-hour one-on-one with putin, in putin's presidential aircraft on the way to an undisclosed location

Karl Malone, Monday, 9 July 2018 18:41 (seven years ago)

just shitballing but would be kinda nice for the ending moments of his presidency to resemble the OJ ford bronco chase

Karl Malone, Monday, 9 July 2018 18:42 (seven years ago)

I fully support Trump removing himself to a remote island

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 9 July 2018 18:49 (seven years ago)

Oh dear what a shame, heard the uk trip's been cancelled.

Stevolende, Monday, 9 July 2018 18:56 (seven years ago)

Even if it isn't because of the balloon, I want to keep believing that it is.

Police, Academy (cryptosicko), Monday, 9 July 2018 19:03 (seven years ago)

Oh dear what a shame, heard the uk trip's been cancelled.

― Stevolende, Monday, July 9, 2018 1:56 PM (ten minutes ago)

Source?

a shomin-geki poster with some horror elements (WilliamC), Monday, 9 July 2018 19:08 (seven years ago)

https://www.buzzfeed.com/emaoconnor/pregnant-migrant-women-miscarriage-cpb-ice-detention-trump?utm_term=.iulgJ4krd#.hjwylJn5X

again not surprised in the least

(•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 9 July 2018 19:17 (seven years ago)

Where we are as a country pic.twitter.com/x8UuqPyRHZ

— Dave Itzkoff (@ditzkoff) July 8, 2018

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 9 July 2018 19:21 (seven years ago)

ninja supreme court justice would be pretty kewl tho

"His enemies hear only the swish of his robes in the night. Then, a death that comes swifter than justice. By day? Back on the bench. Steven Seagal IS Ninja Justice. Premieres at 9 (8 central)."

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 9 July 2018 19:28 (seven years ago)

Re-read chait more closely, and the back 3/4 of that is not news, just a good summary. Hard to believe it's still needed by anyone, but way less out there than I initially cast it.

Hunt3r, Monday, 9 July 2018 19:30 (seven years ago)

Ted Falconi sharing new of a cancellation in January from ABC news. Would seem like a good idea to repeat right now though wouldn't it.

Stevolende, Monday, 9 July 2018 19:32 (seven years ago)

Within minutes of Trump's announcement of Neil Gorsuch's nomination last year, the dark money group Judicial Crisis Network launched a site called https://t.co/5awuP4LNQ6.

Looks like someone has sites ready to go for tonight's announcement as well. pic.twitter.com/zqTgXuXjSM

— Robert Maguire (@RobertMaguire_) July 9, 2018

Simon H., Monday, 9 July 2018 19:49 (seven years ago)

Kellyanne Conway absolutely did not reply like this. pic.twitter.com/Tr6IujO05u

— Dan O'Sullivan (@Bro_Pair) July 9, 2018

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Monday, 9 July 2018 19:51 (seven years ago)

None of this needed to happen, but it is happening. Trump's tweet today is the prelude to the *really* terrifying tweet that Kim has betrayed him, leaving just one option open to the United States.

— Ankit Panda (@nktpnd) July 9, 2018

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 9 July 2018 19:52 (seven years ago)

So glad I've been squatting on confirmgarland.com. Fingers crossed, guys!

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 9 July 2018 19:53 (seven years ago)

“ever-attitudinal trenches”

devops mom (silby), Monday, 9 July 2018 19:55 (seven years ago)

Great retort! It flatly agrees that yes she should go look in the mirror and it's awkward because mirrors are not typical supermarket items. Such quick wit!

xposts

Evan, Monday, 9 July 2018 19:58 (seven years ago)

re: chait, i definitely remember pretty much all those stories, but it's pretty damning seeing them all laid out sequentially

global tetrahedron, Monday, 9 July 2018 20:07 (seven years ago)

but i'll go ahead and be the first person to suggest that trump's endgame might be being whisked away to some island palace where he can't be extradited.

the guy loathes being outside, and indeed being any location that is not one of his own two shitty palaces. he also likes nothing more than public attention, and throws actual tantrums when he doesn't get the right kind. his two houses are built so that just to enter them, he has to pass many people who admire him enough to pay over the odds to also be in the building. there is no way he would wish, plan for, or enjoy safe exile to an island.

kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Monday, 9 July 2018 20:08 (seven years ago)

"Does my sister like him?"

https://splinternews.com/trump-brings-his-usual-level-of-intelligence-to-momento-1827450623

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 July 2018 20:48 (seven years ago)

.@Sen_JoeManchin was also invited to the White House tonight for the SCOTUS announcement but will not attend, spokesman says. Heitkamp & Donnelly are also not attending. These 3 will be key because they voted for Gorsuch.

— Andrew Desiderio (@desiderioDC) July 9, 2018

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 9 July 2018 20:54 (seven years ago)

Aaand more chaos/noise tomorrow:

HOLY SH#T!

“The Washington, D.C. lobbyist who has been on the hunt for Seth Rich’s killer found a “credible” witness who will identify the two men he believes murdered the DNC staffer.”#MondayMotivation #ScotusPick https://t.co/IvujLH7hoy

— 🇺🇸Michael Flynn Jr🇺🇸 (@mflynnJR) July 9, 2018

... (Eazy), Monday, 9 July 2018 21:14 (seven years ago)

Barrett's off the shortlist apparently.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 July 2018 21:15 (seven years ago)

well, she *does* have a uterus

Οὖτις, Monday, 9 July 2018 21:21 (seven years ago)

Barrett was the scariest among a shitty bunch so I am hoping so. I hate that this is what passes for good news these days but...

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 9 July 2018 21:22 (seven years ago)

they're all horrifying

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 July 2018 21:26 (seven years ago)

theres no way Trump actually has someone in mind yet is there

frogbs, Monday, 9 July 2018 21:29 (seven years ago)

himself

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 9 July 2018 21:30 (seven years ago)

a) He doesn't know yet who he's going to name
b) He will have to be reminded tomorrow who he chose

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 9 July 2018 21:44 (seven years ago)

c) hopefully he dies of a heart attack

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 9 July 2018 21:46 (seven years ago)

and I can't stand how the TV channels will interrupt their nightly programming for this shit. Not like I watch anything but my boy on MSNBC at 8 p.m., but the continued obeisance to American presidents by broadcasters -- just ugh. Especially a president who created non-suspenseful moments around theoretically firing people.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 July 2018 21:52 (seven years ago)

but the ratings!

Οὖτις, Monday, 9 July 2018 21:54 (seven years ago)

(totally agree, of course. I will be blissfully unaware, both because I will be at rehearsal but also cuz I don't receive nightly TV programming)

Οὖτις, Monday, 9 July 2018 21:55 (seven years ago)

saw a rumor that 9pm was chosen to boost hannity's ratings

mookieproof, Monday, 9 July 2018 21:56 (seven years ago)

his show will benefit from the nomination of Justice Hannity.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 July 2018 21:58 (seven years ago)

the latest Nina Tottenberg-approved rumor: Donald Trump will nominate Zombie Scalia to fill departing Justice Anthony Kennedy's seat.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 July 2018 22:00 (seven years ago)

Apparently four Secret Service agents picked up Kavanaugh.

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 9 July 2018 22:09 (seven years ago)

true reality star president would send secret service agents to 3 different finalists, just to make sure to keep the intrigue up. it's like when everyone has to pack their bags and be ready to go on elimination night

Karl Malone, Monday, 9 July 2018 22:19 (seven years ago)

Lol *cry* lol

Hunt3r, Monday, 9 July 2018 22:39 (seven years ago)

Barrett spotted in Indiana not long ago, which suggests she IS out.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 9 July 2018 22:40 (seven years ago)

i miss that week or two when he thought he was on good terms with "chuck and nancy" and would sometimes accidentally do things that they liked. maybe this will happen again and merrick garland will be the surprise nominee

Karl Malone, Monday, 9 July 2018 22:42 (seven years ago)

lol, looks like chuck already tried it!

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/05/politics/chuck-schumer-trump-supreme-court-nominee/index.html

Karl Malone, Monday, 9 July 2018 22:43 (seven years ago)

I could not hate this Apprentice-style rollout of the announce more. Our country is so fuckin dumb

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Monday, 9 July 2018 22:47 (seven years ago)

Me too but I can imagine that most people don't give any shits about this and won't even know what is going on so at least the ratings will suck

(•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 9 July 2018 22:51 (seven years ago)

true reality star president would send secret service agents to 3 different finalists, just to make sure to keep the intrigue up. it's like when everyone has to pack their bags and be ready to go on elimination night

― Karl Malone, Monday, July 9, 2018 5:19 PM (fifty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Isn't this more or less what he did with the gorsuch pick?

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 9 July 2018 23:11 (seven years ago)

https://i.imgur.com/Rddoux5.jpg

Karl Malone, Monday, 9 July 2018 23:20 (seven years ago)

fuck everything

El Tomboto, Monday, 9 July 2018 23:24 (seven years ago)

This is true, and empirically supported by data. See recent paper with Adam Bonica in the Journal of Law & Economics, where we show conservative grads of top law schools significantly more likely to become judges https://t.co/DLZbFaBiLW https://t.co/P0L5Gp9T21

— Maya Sen (@maya_sen) July 9, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 9 July 2018 23:46 (seven years ago)

Some of the more scholarly types here can chime in: has there been a time (in recent history or otherwise) the SC served a leading progressive role?

Simon H., Monday, 9 July 2018 23:51 (seven years ago)

the warren court https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Court

the scotus' progressivism was derailed by nixon's four (YES, FOUR) appointees.

21st savagery fox (m bison), Monday, 9 July 2018 23:56 (seven years ago)

Again - calling all Shakeys to fire up those preemptive RIP threads for these fuckbirds

El Tomboto, Monday, 9 July 2018 23:59 (seven years ago)

i was thinking about this today, this idea that our political institutions should somehow be "balanced" between rapacious power-mongers and, like, those who want to take power back from the vested interests that have successfully tilted the playing field in favour of the 1% and aggressively redistributed wealth to them.. like.. why on earth should that ever be the case that these two forces co-existed in our institutions in some kind of natural ebb and flow? when has it ever been the case? these are the very levers of power we are talking about here, the actual buttons and prompts that reproduce hegemony (or attempt to, anyway) - there is NO natural state of things in which their power is "balanced" with that of workers and the rest of us. maybe this is super naive to ever think otherwise?? but honestly i think i've always somehow deep down been fooled by the two-party system and the nominal leftness of the democratic party - and maybe the somewhat even split of most recent elections - that a natural order was deeply ingrained in our culture, a balance of some sort between right and left wings, a pendulum would swing, the earth had its rhythms.. no, that's not how it works, not how it has ever worked. power is held onto desperately, sometimes attempts are made to mitigate that, sometimes these attempts are successful, more often they're not. conflict, not consensus. and a very unequal conflict at that

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 00:00 (seven years ago)

You live in a monarchy

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 00:03 (seven years ago)

re: the court and its current political makeup, please enjoy the first five-ish minutes of this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myozsiCo8BM

Simon H., Tuesday, 10 July 2018 00:04 (seven years ago)

The “balance” between the demos and merchant-class oligarchs is just the best stretch we could get from having completely unqualified rich people run everything all the time. Now somewhat qualified rich people sometimes run things and highly overqualified but usually overly obsequious non-rich people sometimes get to run things too. Progress!!!

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 00:07 (seven years ago)

(Present people running things excepted of course)

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 00:07 (seven years ago)

i do live in a monarchy yes, it's a bizarre place. it's also a place where one of the two main parties explicitly promises to renationalize water, electricity and trains (after having only pretended to promise those things for a few decades)

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 00:11 (seven years ago)

Some of the more scholarly types here can chime in: has there been a time (in recent history or otherwise) the SC served a leading progressive role?

― Simon H.,

The Warren Court, thanks to Republican Earl Warren's masterly political instincts. The Hughes and Stone courts before it went some distance too, despite the war cases and awful leadership under the latter.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 00:18 (seven years ago)

the scotus' progressivism was derailed by nixon's four (YES, FOUR) appointees.

― 21st savagery fox (m bison

Blackmun and Powell became the swing votes b/c of Rehnquist, the Scalia/Thomas of his day as an associate justice. Powell wrote this infamous memo, though -- enormously influential, whose effects we still feel.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 00:20 (seven years ago)

the official account of this month's theme chimes in

dear brett kavanaugh. you dont know me but i think you suck ass. you look like dog shit and your hair is too big. dan akyroyd looking ass bitch go fuck yourself forever. sincerely everyone

— jon hendren (@fart) July 10, 2018

Simon H., Tuesday, 10 July 2018 01:15 (seven years ago)

It's really said that the Republican party is in such a place right now - a haven for the worst scum you can imagine - that I can look at a nominee for the Supreme Court standing up there with his arms around his daughters and my first thought is, I wonder which one of them he's secretly fucking.

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 01:20 (seven years ago)

^ sad not said

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 01:20 (seven years ago)

uh, yeah that is sad

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 01:21 (seven years ago)

Remember the undocumented pregnant minor who was denied access to an abortion? Brett Kavanaugh was in the minority of judges who voted against giving her access to an abortion. He will vote to overturn Roe v. Wade.

— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) July 10, 2018

Dan S, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 01:23 (seven years ago)

uh, yeah that is sad

You're probably right. Republicans don't tend to go for opposite-sex molestation.

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 01:25 (seven years ago)

uh

Simon H., Tuesday, 10 July 2018 01:28 (seven years ago)

...those moments when you desperately wish ILX allowed editing posts you've already submitted...

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 03:30 (seven years ago)

I'm still waiting for the following threads:

RIP JOHN ROBERTS
RIP SAM ALITO
RIP CLARENCE THOMAS
RIP NEIL GORSUCH

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 14:17 (seven years ago)

Sadly, those will only be positive stories if Democrats control both executive and legislative branches, otherwise, we're fucked.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 14:21 (seven years ago)

President Trump on Tuesday issued full pardons to Dwight Hammond Jr. and his son Steven Hammond, Oregon cattle ranchers convicted for arson who became a cause célèbre among the anti-government far-right.

“The Hammonds are devoted family men, respected contributors to their local community, and have widespread support from their neighbors, local law enforcement, and farmers and ranchers across the West,” the White House said in a statement. “Justice is overdue.”

somehow i don't think the hammonds would have been pardoned if they weren't white guys

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 14:54 (seven years ago)

I think we're fucked anyway Moodles. I just want a place to applaud when those gentlemen fall to the scythe.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 14:56 (seven years ago)

xp jesus fuckin christ that's enraging

sleeve, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 15:00 (seven years ago)

law and order president my ass

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 15:04 (seven years ago)

“The Hammonds are solid white citizens,” the White House said in a statement. “Go fuck yourself.”

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 15:21 (seven years ago)

I can't wait until this fat ugly fuck is out of office and I can talk endless shit about him and his fucking treasonous staff who hate our country

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 15:22 (seven years ago)

NEW: Per media conference by HHS and DHS officials, 4 children under 5 have so far been reunified with their parents (out of a total of around 100 who are supposed to be reunified today.)

— Neena Satija (@neenareports) July 10, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 17:44 (seven years ago)

loser loses again

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/09/judge-rejects-trump-request-flores-immigrant-children-704019

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 18:02 (seven years ago)

these dumb motherfuckers have never cracked open an actual history book in their life, have they

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 18:10 (seven years ago)

what's a book

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 18:12 (seven years ago)

Is it too early to start a census 2020 thread

Heez, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 18:52 (seven years ago)

today in "balls of the convicted"

The Wall Street Journal reports:

Former national security adviser Mike Flynn has a new job: He has joined a global lobbying and investment advisory firm. As he awaits sentencing for lying to federal investigators, he is going into business with Washington lobbyist Nick Muzin and his New York partner Joey Allaham with a new firm called Stonington Global LLC, they told The Wall Street Journal.

Mr. Flynn’s December guilty plea grew out of special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe into Russian interference in the 2016 U.S. presidential election. He agreed to cooperate with prosecutors and faces up to six months in jail.

Mr. Flynn was back in court Tuesday for the first time since his guilty plea, as U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan asked for an update on where the legal teams stand on his sentencing. The judge didn’t set a sentencing date.

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 19:18 (seven years ago)

Totally misread that as Strongington

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 10 July 2018 19:28 (seven years ago)

Has @Trump_ebooks been mentioned on here yet? https://twitter.com/smithee_bot

Eliza D., Tuesday, 10 July 2018 19:33 (seven years ago)

Happy #CowAppreciationDay pic.twitter.com/0o68cVEhrO

— Bernie Sanders (@SenSanders) July 10, 2018

there’s gonna be a hot time in the ol’ tub machine tonight (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 20:51 (seven years ago)

ben and jerry would have his legs if he didn't post about cows on cow appreciation day

supreme court justice samuel lance-ito (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 10 July 2018 21:00 (seven years ago)

hey everyone Trump just issued an EO allowing him to personally appoint all administrative law judges instead of agencies using a competitive selection process USA USA USA

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-excepting-administrative-law-judges-competitive-service/

Eliza D., Tuesday, 10 July 2018 22:27 (seven years ago)

don't know much about this guy, but I thought the thread was interesting

1. I don't think we are fully grappling with the possibility that we could be on the on the cusp of a completely new era, a fundamental reshaping of the international order. And I don't mean over the course of the Trump Administration. I mean by next week.

— Dan Shapiro (@DanielBShapiro) July 9, 2018

Dan S, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 00:01 (seven years ago)

Excited 2 die :)

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 00:35 (seven years ago)

None of that is news, is it?

albvivertine, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 00:48 (seven years ago)

well we're just warming up for the big November military parade in Pennsylvania Square

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 00:49 (seven years ago)

It's a pretty smooth slide from "narcissist autocrat" to "hey an actual dictator", huh - and all within the framework of "USA freedom" and "the greatest democracy".

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 02:11 (seven years ago)

Proud of my brother Peter and his work :)

https://www.ajc.com/entertainment/separated-the-border-honduran-dad-and-his-year-old-are-reunited/i3ZmTFEnUufvDmZiieHv9L/

Not sure why AJC filed this under "entertainment," though.

DJI, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 03:07 (seven years ago)

there he goes

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/07/11/trump-nato-germany-totally-controlled-and-captive-russia-defense-spending/774308002/

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 12:04 (seven years ago)

Ha ha, Trump goes to Brussels and starts yapping about how Germany is "totally controlled by Russia" because they buy Russian gas, and Merkel doesn't immediately say, "Bitch, you got your fucking job from Russia - sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up"? Once again, politeness is gonna get us all killed.

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 12:04 (seven years ago)

lol Merkel has actually lived in a version of Germany that was explicitly controlled by Russia, i'm not sure she needs any lessons from Donald Trump on that score

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 12:19 (seven years ago)

yeah I’m in east Germany right now, the response seems to be

wait for it

lol

droit au butt (Euler), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 12:29 (seven years ago)

good mourning!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 12:44 (seven years ago)

aka the German "lol"

Simon H., Wednesday, 11 July 2018 12:45 (seven years ago)

I never realised the end of the world would be so stupid

Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 13:05 (seven years ago)

this is the way the world ends
this is the way the world ends
this is the way the world ends
not with a bang but with twitter

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 13:06 (seven years ago)

German Chancellor Angela Merkel rejected accusations by Donald Trump that Germany is “totally controlled by Russia,” reminding the U.S. president that she remembered Soviet occupation, and saying it is “good that we are independent today.”

“Because of given circumstances I want to point out one thing: I experienced the Soviet occupation of one part of Germany myself. It is good that we are independent today,” said Merkel, who grew up in East Germany, a former satellite state of the Soviet Union.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 13:21 (seven years ago)

(this is all actually in that first link)

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 13:23 (seven years ago)

yeah I don't click USA today links on my mobile they are a mess

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 13:25 (seven years ago)

don't know much about this guy, but I thought the thread was interesting

― Dan S, Mittwoch, 11. Juli 2018


The thread doesn't seem to consider that U.S. drone ops on this side of the pond are totally fux0red without Ramstein air base.

oder doch?, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 13:34 (seven years ago)

aka the German "lol"

That's the Berlin Lol

Thank you, try the sauerbraten.

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 13:37 (seven years ago)

The thread doesn't seem to consider that U.S. drone ops on this side of the pond are totally fux0red without Ramstein air base.

I really don't understand why people don't just call Trump's bluff. "OK, you want out? Get out. How soon can you have all your bases in Germany closed, and every soldier on a plane back home? Go ask your generals. We'll wait."

*sulky silence*

*the subject is never raised again*

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 13:46 (seven years ago)

You can't reason with a cretin.

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 13:52 (seven years ago)

There's all sorts of shit like that that just makes me think, probably for the better, that these countries and world leaders just don't think about that asshole and his ignorance nearly as much as I do. Like:

"Vat's on the agenda today?"
"Today? You meet with Hans Laborleader, we've got the opening of the laundromat, zher is zee trade deal with Luxenburg to hash out, we have some immigrants to settle/unsettle. Oh, and Donald Trump is in town, so we have to have orange juice and steaks with Donald Trump."
"Ugh, steaks again? How long will that take?"
"I dunno, an hour?"
"Call me halfway through and pretend there is an emergency so I can leave."
"No prob."
"Cool, cool. Can you get me and my family tickets to zee water park? It's supposed to be warm today, ya?"

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 13:56 (seven years ago)

What I really wonder is how soon it'll get bad enough here that European countries will take asylum claims from fleeing Americans seriously. (Asking for a friend.)

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 13:59 (seven years ago)

Apparently on Fox:

“And the Republicans who say, ‘Well, we have a broad foreign policy apparatus and we forced him to impose these sanctions, and we forced him to do these things.’ He’s going to fly into Brussels like a seagull. He is going to defecate all over everything, squawk and fly away is what he’s going to do in Brussels. And the Europeans are going to continue to say to each other, ‘We don’t have a reliable partner in the U.S. government right now.’”

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 14:00 (seven years ago)

Who said that?

a shomin-geki poster with some horror elements (WilliamC), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 14:03 (seven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okjhQhNe72w

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 14:04 (seven years ago)

It's said by Fox politics editor Chris Stirewalt.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 14:06 (seven years ago)

He’s going to fly into Brussels like a seagull vs he kissed the boy like a kitten

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 14:09 (seven years ago)

vs moved on her like a bitch

there’s gonna be a hot time in the ol’ tub machine tonight (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 14:39 (seven years ago)

This new Melania double is weak sauce. #wheresmelania pic.twitter.com/yAsbR7CuQJ

— Johnny Killoran (@metroville) July 10, 2018

frogbs, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 14:51 (seven years ago)

say 'hello' benzcowksi, 'good bye' rosenstein / mueller?

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 14:55 (seven years ago)

he's gonna fly into brussels like a seagull, screaming 'kiss her kiss her'

supreme court justice samuel lance-ito (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 15:05 (seven years ago)

xp been wondering if benczkowski will have the power to sideline either one of them

Dan S, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 15:11 (seven years ago)

Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie)
Posted: July 11, 2018 at 7:05:31 AM
I never realised the end of the world would be so stupid


^^^^^

Hunt3r, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 15:20 (seven years ago)

it took the king of debt to call in nato's debt. #mrga

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 16:03 (seven years ago)

professional lickspittle Mike Pence oughta calm down them ornery farmers: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/11/pence-republicans-midterms-midwest-708710

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 16:12 (seven years ago)

the king of debt who claimed BK multiple times. i mean, he grifted...BANKRUPTCY too, in part by RE-GRIFTING his own investors as well as the public, which supports BK to keep economies flowing and solvent. his degree of shitness is hard to top.

Hunt3r, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 16:19 (seven years ago)

Photo of the day from NATO >>> pic.twitter.com/wpJjIIZisB

— Christina Wilkie (@christinawilkie) July 11, 2018

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 16:48 (seven years ago)

is he looking for the eclipse ?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 16:49 (seven years ago)

https://d3ngf76mkj9kfv.cloudfront.net/2017/08/11142301/Goodfellas-Oceans-Bridge-oil-painting-1.jpg

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 16:51 (seven years ago)

"Whaddya want from me?"

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 16:52 (seven years ago)

never fear, alfred; the power of my exquisite aesthetic taste will end this tacky drumpf nightmare

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 16:53 (seven years ago)

trump's new 'what good is NATO' and argument about germany buying russian gas makes zero fucking sense to me

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 17:01 (seven years ago)

feel free to strikethrough 'to me' in the above post

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 17:01 (seven years ago)

Elsewhere

Mueller team has *had it* with Paul Manafort's bid to delay his July 25 trial. In new doc, they cite recorded jail phone call where M says he is being treated like a "VIP", doesn't have to wear prison uniform and gets his own laptop to review discovery materials.

— Carrie Johnson (@johnson_carrie) July 11, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 17:18 (seven years ago)

meanwhile, in my shitty home state

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/07/north-carolina-early-voting-midterms-a-diabolical-new-republican-ploy-to-suppress-black-turnout.html

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 17:29 (seven years ago)

trump's new 'what good is NATO' and argument about germany buying russian gas makes zero fucking sense to me


i dunno why you’d expect anything that comes out of trump’s mouth to make sense at this point tbh

look, you’re just gonna get gravy on the baby sometimes 🤷‍♂️ (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 20:28 (seven years ago)

reading an article from 1934 about antifascists disrupting a Friends of New Germany meeting in Milwaukee and the third from last paragraph starts "Local liberals deplore the episode." and it's incredible how this hasn't changed at all

— post magón (@wegotthephunk) July 10, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 20:28 (seven years ago)

argument about germany buying russian gas makes zero fucking sense to me

It's kind of like when he wasn't​ decrying Germany for not importing American cars while ignoring the reality that (A) a lot of American cars are unsuited (due to size, fuel economy etc.) to Europe/Germany's​ needs, and (B) American car companies already have long entrenched interests in Europe building and selling cars specifically​ tailored to those markets.

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 20:34 (seven years ago)

I guess the more interesting question is "who the hell fed him that line"...was that on Fox & Friends or did Miller give it to him?

frogbs, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 20:36 (seven years ago)

XP WAS DECRYING

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 20:41 (seven years ago)

the line sounded like just another "no, you're the puppet!" deflection to me

Dan S, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 20:44 (seven years ago)

xp well yeah, more liberal people have deplored more radical people since the beginning of time and in the US since the beginning of the american revolution

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 21:01 (seven years ago)

xp it would still require Trump to know that they're buying gas from Russia

frogbs, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 21:04 (seven years ago)

I guess the more interesting question is "who the hell fed him that line"...was that on Fox & Friends or did Miller give it to him?

This has been a pretty consistent line from people who think the Europe is too soft on Russia for a while and was raised a lot when Germany and others complained about the US imposing unilateral sanctions that also impacted German firms. Hawks in the US and U.K. have viewed Germany, Italy and the Czech Republic as weakening the united front against Russia - by continuing oil projects, by trying to push Ukraine towards some kind of federal settlement with the rebel areas, by signalling an openness to potentially review sanctions, etc. It may well be a deflection on Trump’s part but the idea hasn’t come out of thin air.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 21:08 (seven years ago)

I have to say, while I agree with the proposal in question, it's still (as always) super-annoying to see someone who goes out of his way *NOT* to be a Democrat still feeling entitled to meddle in the internal machinations of the party. Like, if you want to change the way the party works, maybe join the party instead of being a pissy prima donna about it.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/11/bernie-sanders-dnc-superdelegates-710818

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 21:32 (seven years ago)

yes its incredible that the world hasnt changed at all since 1934 /s

Hazy Maze Cave (Adam Bruneau), Wednesday, 11 July 2018 21:45 (seven years ago)

“If we don’t have a vote, then what good are we?” said William Owen, a superdelegate and DNC member from Tennessee

provocative question, bill

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 21:49 (seven years ago)

asked and answered

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 21:49 (seven years ago)

Ben Nelson is a fucking idiot part 9,632

https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2018/07/11/scott-slightly-ahead-of-nelson-among-south-florida-hispanics-new-poll-finds-505852

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 11 July 2018 22:13 (seven years ago)

saturday massacre here we come?

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/11/628044184/senate-confirms-new-boss-for-justice-department-criminal-division

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 12 July 2018 01:31 (seven years ago)

He is a unicorn, riding a unicorn over a rainbow

Well that’s the next thread title sorted.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/12/sean-spicer-contradicts-trumps-manafort-claims-in-new-book

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 12 July 2018 05:41 (seven years ago)

peter strzok open congressional testimony today will result in his, soetero's, crooked hillary's, rod rosenstein's, and robert mueller's indictments + benzcowksi sworn in as deputy attorney general friday + mr. trump graciously concedes sovereignty of ukraine, crimea, and alaska to our best friend mr. putin on monday, when we quit NATO to become instead a charter member of warsaw pact 2.0! checkmate, liberals!

good morning!

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 12 July 2018 10:22 (seven years ago)

King Shithead just had a spontaneous press conf where he said he won't pull out of NATO, even tho he could.

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 July 2018 11:10 (seven years ago)

head fake

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 12 July 2018 11:21 (seven years ago)

When a reporter asked if the NATO countries had agreed to the 4 percent, he said, no, 2 percent – provided their parliaments or whatever approved the raise. He announced a deal that Obama and Bush had already guaranteed.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 July 2018 11:43 (seven years ago)

The master of the deal strikes again.

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Thursday, 12 July 2018 11:49 (seven years ago)

The FART of the deal

Ward Fowler, Thursday, 12 July 2018 11:57 (seven years ago)

hmmmm

look, you’re just gonna get gravy on the baby sometimes 🤷‍♂️ (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 12 July 2018 12:35 (seven years ago)

it's still (as always) super-annoying to see someone who goes out of his way *NOT* to be a Democrat still feeling entitled to meddle in the internal machinations of the party. Like, if you want to change the way the party works, maybe join the party instead of being a pissy prima donna about it.

What exactly does "joining the party" consist of? In Canada, you need to pay a membership fee and receive a certification from the party but I don't know of anything comparable in the US(?) and I gather that there is no party registration in Vermont(?). If there is nothing like that, why would it be inappropriate for someone who competed in a party primary to get involved with the decision-making concerning how primaries work?

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Thursday, 12 July 2018 12:45 (seven years ago)

For one he doesn't help with any of the dull organizational/fundraising work.

Frederik B, Thursday, 12 July 2018 13:01 (seven years ago)

when your country's political system is all but rigged in favor of two massive "parties", thus making independence from them at the very least prohibitively difficult under most circumstances, it seems silly to complain about this sort of thing tbh

Simon H., Thursday, 12 July 2018 13:09 (seven years ago)

my only complaint is taxes on the wealthy are too damn high. if only prosperity trickled down i'd be a trill gazillionaire

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 12 July 2018 13:19 (seven years ago)

.@repjoecrowley stated on live TV that he would absolutely support my candidacy.

Instead, he’s stood me up for all 3 scheduled concession calls.

Now, he’s mounting a 3rd party challenge against me and the Democratic Party- and against the will of @NYWFP.https://t.co/Xvb6Jk8N8q

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@Ocasio2018) July 12, 2018

Eliza D., Thursday, 12 July 2018 13:21 (seven years ago)

Um, this is what that article says:

Even in Ms. Ocasio-Cortez’s district, the Working Families Party line was won by Mr. Crowley, who had secured that party’s endorsement. Bill Lipton, state director of the Working Families Party, said he immediately reached out to Mr. Crowley’s campaign to request that he vacate the line.

To Mr. Lipton’s chagrin, his campaign declined; Mr. Crowley will remain on the ballot in November. “You’d think that given the moment we’re in,” said Mr. Lipton, “that Democratic leaders would want to help progressive forces to unite.”

Asked about Mr. Crowley’s plans regarding the Working Families Party line, a campaign spokeswoman said only: “Joe Crowley is a Democrat. He’s made clear he is not running for Congress and supports the Democratic nominee in NY-14.”

In Mr. Crowley’s case, vacating the line is not that simple. The Working Families Party must go through a convoluted legal maneuver, essentially nominating the unwanted primary winner for another electoral position on the ballot — often one that he or she has little chance of winning, like a county clerkship in a region of the state dominated by the other party.

Frederik B, Thursday, 12 July 2018 13:31 (seven years ago)

he needs to go thru the convoluted maneuver

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 July 2018 13:45 (seven years ago)

^^ exactement. Whatever it takes to do, do it.

Eliza D., Thursday, 12 July 2018 13:46 (seven years ago)

Uh, sure, but that's not 'mounting a 3rd party challenge'. So you agree she is straight up lying?

Frederik B, Thursday, 12 July 2018 13:48 (seven years ago)

Adult film actress Stormy Daniels was arrested at a strip club in Ohio early Thursday and faces three counts of illegally touching a patron, court records show. https://t.co/qDOIbu81TU pic.twitter.com/Hq3vwywHz0

— CNN (@CNN) July 12, 2018

wonder if this was ordered from the White House

frogbs, Thursday, 12 July 2018 13:55 (seven years ago)

FREE STORMY

look, you’re just gonna get gravy on the baby sometimes 🤷‍♂️ (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 12 July 2018 13:59 (seven years ago)

the NY Times has a considerable record of straightup lying; I'll reserve judgment

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 July 2018 14:09 (seven years ago)

if "his campaign declined," that could be construed as mounting a challenge through indolence.

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 July 2018 14:11 (seven years ago)

bizarro otm

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 12 July 2018 14:13 (seven years ago)

guys I don't think Crowley is actually running

frogbs, Thursday, 12 July 2018 14:20 (seven years ago)

feel like stormy's mugshot is gonna become iconic

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--rkT2rkM8--/c_scale,f_auto,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/nllzytw78leccuvqyhzw.png

look, you’re just gonna get gravy on the baby sometimes 🤷‍♂️ (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 12 July 2018 14:32 (seven years ago)

"iconic" in 2018 sadly means "will get posted following by RWers, followed by the crying-laughing emoji, as a discussion-settling checkmate move in comment threads for the next ten years"

This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 12 July 2018 14:40 (seven years ago)

the look on peter strzok's face while trey gowdy accuses him of bias is perfect

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 12 July 2018 14:42 (seven years ago)

Christ Gowdy never shuts up does he

frogbs, Thursday, 12 July 2018 15:12 (seven years ago)

oh my god he's just spent 5 minutes grilling him over his "Hillary should win 10 million to 0" text

frogbs, Thursday, 12 July 2018 15:17 (seven years ago)

Daaammnnn, Strozk went off

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 12 July 2018 15:22 (seven years ago)

i'm in awe of how stupid Gowdy is

frogbs, Thursday, 12 July 2018 15:23 (seven years ago)

can't watch or listen, I'm really hoping for a highlight reel at the end of this. I am sure there will be many.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 July 2018 15:25 (seven years ago)

Gowdy got lit up, I wonder if anyone's ever talked to him like that before.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 12 July 2018 15:26 (seven years ago)

imagine spending 5 minutes pretending to be absolutely baffled about the concept of hyperbole in service of Donald J Trump

frogbs, Thursday, 12 July 2018 15:30 (seven years ago)

The whole divide 0 by 10 line of thinking was next level

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 12 July 2018 15:30 (seven years ago)

when eric swalwell (d-ca) called gowdy out on not holding bannon in contempt for refusing to answer questions i cheered irl

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 12 July 2018 15:36 (seven years ago)

it's still (as always) super-annoying to see someone who goes out of his way *NOT* to be a Democrat still feeling entitled to meddle in the internal machinations of the party. Like, if you want to change the way the party works, maybe join the party instead of being a pissy prima donna about it.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/11/bernie-sanders-dnc-superdelegates-710818

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, July 11, 2018 9:32 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

have you heard of a thing called "Our Revolution"

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 12 July 2018 15:42 (seven years ago)

I was at the 2016 DNC and in the meeting where this proposal was ultimately agreed to based on the presence of a strong supermajority in the room. Bernie was not in that room, and Democrats were.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 12 July 2018 15:43 (seven years ago)

“If we don’t have a vote, then what good are we?” said William Owen, a superdelegate and DNC member

what a good question

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 12 July 2018 15:45 (seven years ago)

People should be livid if Gowdy has a career after he leaves office. That bitch should be shunned for all of eternity.

Yerac, Thursday, 12 July 2018 15:48 (seven years ago)

Daaammnnn, Strozk went off

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, July 12, 2018 11:22 AM (twenty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

any links exist yet?

Evan, Thursday, 12 July 2018 15:51 (seven years ago)

have to say I don't care about any of this shit, it's all just theater/inconsequential grandstanding

Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 July 2018 15:52 (seven years ago)

xp there's a live stream on c-span, and you can choose to start from the beginning. it starts at almost exactly one hour into the hearing

Dan S, Thursday, 12 July 2018 15:55 (seven years ago)

Wow pic.twitter.com/nyRwPTGojO

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) July 12, 2018

frogbs, Thursday, 12 July 2018 15:58 (seven years ago)

I didn’t think I wanted to see the video (I can’t listen to any of these voices anymore) but I’m glad I did

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 12 July 2018 16:05 (seven years ago)

Good. About time someone firmly answers a question under oath and calls out the inherent bullshit derpiness where congress acts like they don't know how anything works.

Yerac, Thursday, 12 July 2018 16:06 (seven years ago)

Gowdy's remaining spine dissolved on that video. Fucking sit up.

Yerac, Thursday, 12 July 2018 16:07 (seven years ago)

You can clearly discern the defeated visage of someone who was forced to eat shit.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 12 July 2018 16:19 (seven years ago)

This Stormy sting is going to backfire - americans have shown they like sexy times

STORMY FOR PREZ 2020

Rabbit Control (Latham Green), Thursday, 12 July 2018 16:20 (seven years ago)

jerry nadler (d-ny) is a baller

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 12 July 2018 16:20 (seven years ago)

Aw man, he goes on longer than that. That clip definitely ends too soon.

xps

Evan, Thursday, 12 July 2018 16:21 (seven years ago)

pouring one out for wisconsin's finest (chris farley) who should still be alive to star as jim sensennbrenner in all the president's men 2 :(

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 12 July 2018 16:31 (seven years ago)

can we subpoena Gowdy's texts on Benghazi and candidate Clinton

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 July 2018 16:32 (seven years ago)

pretty good own here

This Strzok hearing reminds me of the Benghazi hearing -- a highly competent witness testifying for hours in front of GOP house members who seem small and petty based on their questions.

Common thread? Gowdy.

— mieke eoyang (@MiekeEoyang) July 12, 2018

remember when gowdy seemed reasonable-ish for a month or so?

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 12 July 2018 16:40 (seven years ago)

no

Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 July 2018 16:42 (seven years ago)

i like how he refused to vote -- "pass!" -- twice! LOL at whatever democrat made fun of him for that -- "that isn't a valid vote" -- after the second "pass"

do "conservatives" really not realize how transparent they are, or they don't give a shit?

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 12 July 2018 16:43 (seven years ago)

It's a testament to the liberal media that a guy who is personal friends with someone who ran a child sex trafficking operation that he was also alleged to have been a part of AND Harvey Weinstein can be invited on the number one women's morning talk show for a nice chat https://t.co/htyx9ozjdE

— Will🦕Menaker (@willmenaker) July 11, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 12 July 2018 16:45 (seven years ago)

Trey Gowdy always looks like he's in mid-stroke of a wank session.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 July 2018 16:45 (seven years ago)

strzok gives excellent withering stare

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 12 July 2018 16:55 (seven years ago)

"let's say it is hyperbole, as I inexplicably continue to address your comment literally"

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 July 2018 16:57 (seven years ago)

not surprisingly, Fox is focusing on Gowdy's "I don't give a good goddamn what you appreciate" comment

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 July 2018 16:57 (seven years ago)

Rep. Cummings causes momentary stir with signs of those who have pleaded guilty, to date, in the Mueller probe — which he insists must be given the independence and resources to continue its work, and must not be undermined pic.twitter.com/dcqmF4KD4F

— Olivia Gazis (@Olivia_Gazis) July 12, 2018

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 July 2018 17:01 (seven years ago)

SHEILA JACKSON LEE

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 12 July 2018 17:03 (seven years ago)

Stormy Daniels charges dropped already.

I am pleased to report that the charges against my client @stormydaniels have been dismissed in their entirety (below motion was just granted). I want to thank Joe Gibson & his colleagues at the prosecutors ofc for their professionalism starting with our first call early this am. pic.twitter.com/xHPSWsyqM2

— Michael Avenatti (@MichaelAvenatti) July 12, 2018

Eliza D., Thursday, 12 July 2018 17:22 (seven years ago)

Also:

They were watching a routine by the most famous stripper in America--a person with household name recognition--as part of an investigation into human trafficking, then blew the cover of three detectives to nab her on a misdemeanor. Sure, sounds legit. https://t.co/R5k9Qg1l3C

— Max Kennerly (@MaxKennerly) July 12, 2018

Eliza D., Thursday, 12 July 2018 17:23 (seven years ago)

i'm glad certain people's texts during the 2016 election aren't being prosecuted by trey gowdy and bob goodlatte (and my, JIM JORDAN you sure were quiet, traitor) ~

"so what if we'd rather vote for a transparent russian asset than a woman? can't we still all agree on tax cuts?"

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 12 July 2018 17:30 (seven years ago)

Jesus Christ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXTAlUormPA

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 July 2018 19:33 (seven years ago)

he pretty much says "but her emails"

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 July 2018 19:34 (seven years ago)

I love how Strzok's gotten under the skin of so many of the republican committee members by continuing to insist that he is not biased. it's making them furious! that exchange between him and Gohmert was completely over the top

Dan S, Thursday, 12 July 2018 19:35 (seven years ago)

Gohmert sounds like a drunk midwest sheriff lamenting how he used to have principles as a kid

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 July 2018 19:36 (seven years ago)

uh he'd spell it "principals"

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 July 2018 19:40 (seven years ago)

Christ I knew he was a piece of shit but I had to stop watching cos I got enraged enough to destroy my laptop.

Goodlatte can also go fuck himself.

Aneurysms to go round, please...

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 July 2018 19:40 (seven years ago)

If Strzok had leaped from the table and strangled Gohmert to death over that shit about lying to his wife I wouldn't have blamed him a bit.

Eliza D., Thursday, 12 July 2018 19:45 (seven years ago)

fuck these fucking ridiculous assholes!! how can anybody watch this and not see the fucking bulshit they are trying to sling here?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 12 July 2018 19:47 (seven years ago)

because 45% of the country dines on paint thinner and dish soap

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 July 2018 19:49 (seven years ago)

https://www.countable.us/articles/5010-trump-administration-admits-separating-u-s-citizens

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 July 2018 19:49 (seven years ago)

if only the elder Louis Gohmert hadn't entered the petting zoo and found a suitable mate 65 years ago

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 July 2018 19:53 (seven years ago)

Louie Gohmert, what a piece of shit

Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Thursday, 12 July 2018 19:55 (seven years ago)

when does that Gohmert video stop seeming like the dullest ep of drunk history? I watched 3 minutes and couldn't follow a single thing he said

rob, Thursday, 12 July 2018 19:55 (seven years ago)

this is infuriating to watch . god damn it!

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 12 July 2018 19:56 (seven years ago)

Gohmert campaigned for Roy Moore https://t.co/6QvxL8rYTv

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) July 12, 2018

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 12 July 2018 19:59 (seven years ago)

someone also say "give him his medication". normally a statement I find offensive, but....it worked this time.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 July 2018 19:59 (seven years ago)

Also:

They were watching a routine by the most famous stripper in America--a person with household name recognition--as part of an investigation into human trafficking, then blew the cover of three detectives to nab her on a misdemeanor. Sure, sounds legit. https://t.co/R5k9Qg1l3C
— Max Kennerly (@MaxKennerly) July 12, 2018
― Eliza D., Friday, 13 July 2018 3:23 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Also arrested was ‘Miranda Panda’ which is a great stripper name but I’m not convinced that that is what is written on her driving license.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Thursday, 12 July 2018 19:59 (seven years ago)

xpost if Gohmert wasn't drunk, perhaps he ingested some trumpet-shaped plants on the way to work

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 July 2018 20:00 (seven years ago)

Gohmert speaking after his time expired and ironically going on about how the witness, who has spoken uninterrupted for like 30 seconds, is "going on forever"

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 July 2018 20:05 (seven years ago)

has jim jordan spoken yet? i imagine he's not exactly on top of his game today

Karl Malone, Thursday, 12 July 2018 20:13 (seven years ago)

not sure if "what kind of person cheats on his wife" is the best argument in defense of Donald J Trump

frogbs, Thursday, 12 July 2018 20:13 (seven years ago)

has jim jordan spoken yet?

lol whoops, hadn't seen this yet

Committee Erupts In Shouting As Jim Jordan Trucks Over FBI Agent's Answer To His Question pic.twitter.com/a4iUl4LZos

— TPM Livewire (@TPMLiveWire) July 12, 2018

Karl Malone, Thursday, 12 July 2018 20:17 (seven years ago)

Gohmert letting his trump hump fuck flag fly.

Yerac, Thursday, 12 July 2018 20:26 (seven years ago)

someone just yelled at Gowdy, "WHY DON'T YOU LEAVE THIS ALONE? THIS ISN'T BENGHAZI?". didn't catch her name, but that shut him up, finally

Karl Malone, Thursday, 12 July 2018 20:27 (seven years ago)

tbf Banghazi wasn't something that merited this much attention either

Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 July 2018 20:28 (seven years ago)

god Trey Gowdy is such an idiot

I'm loving Rep Ciccilline's sarcastic interjections

Rep Bonnie Watson Coleman <3<3

Dan S, Thursday, 12 July 2018 20:29 (seven years ago)

on the sunnier side of things, which is admittedly an odd way to preface a comment about the Trump's visit to the U.K., i'm watching protest footage and it's really making me feel a lot better. give 'em hell, London!!

Karl Malone, Thursday, 12 July 2018 20:37 (seven years ago)

i didn't mean to type "the Trump" and i will never do it again

Karl Malone, Thursday, 12 July 2018 20:37 (seven years ago)

I am in awe of how stupid this is

frogbs, Thursday, 12 July 2018 20:37 (seven years ago)

if the Dems have any balls they'll leak the full Strzok closed-door transcript. but I have a feeling they'll kowtow to that fuckboy Goodlatte

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 July 2018 20:40 (seven years ago)

I mean clearly nobody is running this country and Goodlatte can't even cite specific rules so why the fuck not

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 July 2018 20:40 (seven years ago)

nothing but respect for MY fbi agent

k3vin k., Thursday, 12 July 2018 20:42 (seven years ago)

Peter Strzok totally reminds me of Jimmi Simpson

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 July 2018 20:43 (seven years ago)

Thanks to @cnn for capturing my thoughts on today’s @HillaryClinton email hearing. pic.twitter.com/Lvmofdzd8C

— David Cicilline (@davidcicilline) July 12, 2018

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 12 July 2018 20:48 (seven years ago)

that chyron is fucking ludicrous now that I look at it closer

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 12 July 2018 20:49 (seven years ago)

that's a weird GIF for Cicilline to highlight, because the chyron is asserting that Strzok isn't answering questions, when in fact he appears to me (after watching for an hour or so) to be answering every question he can

xpost

Karl Malone, Thursday, 12 July 2018 20:50 (seven years ago)

xpost
yeah, exactly! i'm not sure Cicilline even read it, it looks like he just used it because it featured a cool shot of him looking bewildered

Karl Malone, Thursday, 12 July 2018 20:51 (seven years ago)

reality is now bent to the extent where even the fact of whether a man has answered a question or not depends on the ideology of the beholder

look, you’re just gonna get gravy on the baby sometimes 🤷‍♂️ (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 12 July 2018 20:52 (seven years ago)

He is defiantly refusing to answer questions that the FBI (in coordination with and with the approval of Goodlatte) ordered him not to answer.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 12 July 2018 20:53 (seven years ago)

Trump is right about CNN

frogbs, Thursday, 12 July 2018 20:54 (seven years ago)

at this point what does Strzok even have to lose by saying "eat a dick, motherfucker" in response to every R question

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 July 2018 20:55 (seven years ago)

just say "he's not an altar boy", the usual Pub defense

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 July 2018 20:56 (seven years ago)

All these references to Strozek that I keep thinking I’m seeing today are really throwing me off.

Police, Academy (cryptosicko), Thursday, 12 July 2018 20:59 (seven years ago)

One criticism of Strzok, I wish he'd stop saying "I'd love to tell you, but...". I understand his meaning, but once is enough.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 12 July 2018 21:00 (seven years ago)

will someone tell Gowdy his facial hair looks ridiculous? he looks like a Sublime fan that woke up after a 30 year coma

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 July 2018 21:00 (seven years ago)

he also looks and talks like a bit player from True Blood

Dan S, Thursday, 12 July 2018 21:01 (seven years ago)

i just realized this whole hearing is under the "Clinton Email Investigation" topic.

god what a ludicrous shitshow, this entire thing, how to even begin to explain this in the future? i feel like future generations will never fully understand how completely stupid this was

Karl Malone, Thursday, 12 July 2018 21:05 (seven years ago)

future generations will probably look like Toxie

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 July 2018 21:06 (seven years ago)

I had to look up Gowdy's facial hair. It's like a magic eye poster. You can only see it if you stare and relax your eyes.

Yerac, Thursday, 12 July 2018 21:06 (seven years ago)

lol

Karl Malone, Thursday, 12 July 2018 21:07 (seven years ago)

it's true, i don't often wish for higher-resolution c-span video, but i found myself wanting a cleaner, clearer image of what was going on around his mouth

Karl Malone, Thursday, 12 July 2018 21:07 (seven years ago)

i have a pretty good idea of what's been going in it

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 July 2018 21:08 (seven years ago)

how to even begin to explain this in the future?

first, let me explain to you the tale of Benjamin Ghazi...

frogbs, Thursday, 12 July 2018 21:08 (seven years ago)

anyway I know this should go without saying but once again it sure as hell looks like the GOP actually did the thing they've been constantly accusing the Democrats of doing

According to the testimony of the Attorney General in the IG report, nine days before the election she and the FBI Director discussed how a “deep and visceral hatred of Secretary Clinton” by a cadre of senior NY FBI agents “has put us where we are today” w/r/t the Weiner laptop. pic.twitter.com/Owg69kuAlG

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) June 16, 2018

frogbs, Thursday, 12 July 2018 21:10 (seven years ago)

Man, I've had to be involved in the stupidest depositions about emails I wrote 3-4 years prior and this shit I am watching is even stupider. These congressmen just need to do a one man show with this garbage.

Yerac, Thursday, 12 July 2018 21:14 (seven years ago)

trey gowdy looks perpetually moist

look, you’re just gonna get gravy on the baby sometimes 🤷‍♂️ (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 12 July 2018 21:14 (seven years ago)

in slightly better news, mid-term polls looking better for Ds than they have recently (though still too early to be comfy, gotta keep grinding).

Trump's RCP aggregate for his polls is the worst it's been in a month, though sadly nowhere near the depths they plunged to last December.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 July 2018 21:15 (seven years ago)

xpost jfc ew

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 July 2018 21:15 (seven years ago)

One of my favorite lines of investigation in this hearing was inquiring why Strzok didn't ever text his mistress about the possibility of pre-impeaching Hillary Clinton. Now that's some next-level thinking.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 12 July 2018 21:22 (seven years ago)

Congress is writing fanfiction.

Yerac, Thursday, 12 July 2018 21:24 (seven years ago)

gotta hand it to 'em, they know how to troll: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/12/house-republicans-abolish-ice-vote-democrats-position-715420

Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 July 2018 21:25 (seven years ago)

altho the bill's Dems sponsors appear to be too smart to take the bait:

But Pocan and the bill‘s other authors, Reps. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.) and Adriano Espaillat (D-N.Y.), say they won’t be part of a GOP “political stunt. If Speaker Ryan puts our bill on the floor, we plan to vote no and will instead use the opportunity to force an urgently needed and long-overdue conversation on the House floor,” they said in a statement, including on the abuses of the Trump administration’s immigration policy.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 12 July 2018 21:26 (seven years ago)

I turn on MSNBC to hear J-Pod calling Louis Gohmert "a loathsome creature, just scum."

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 12 July 2018 21:29 (seven years ago)

can't wait for Steve Carell to play him in the movie

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 July 2018 21:34 (seven years ago)

anyway I know this should go without saying but once again it sure as hell looks like the GOP actually did the thing they've been constantly accusing the Democrats of doing

all these motherfuckers do is project

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 12 July 2018 21:47 (seven years ago)

"you're the puppet"

Karl Malone, Thursday, 12 July 2018 21:50 (seven years ago)

https://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/i_know_you_are_pee_wee_herman.gif

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 July 2018 21:53 (seven years ago)

Uh oh, this has devolved into accusing Strzok of being a slacker because he texts too much, therefore Trump is innnocent.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 12 July 2018 22:18 (seven years ago)

“UPDATE: Republicans couldn’t find an excuse to stop us from releasing the Strzok transcript. Sending to DOJ for redactions and will release as soon as it’s available,” Cicilline tweeted.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 12 July 2018 22:36 (seven years ago)

_anyway I know this should go without saying but once again it sure as hell looks like the GOP actually did the thing they've been constantly accusing the Democrats of doing_


all these motherfuckers do is project


now now. they also whine

maura, Thursday, 12 July 2018 22:38 (seven years ago)

haha yeah are we expected to believe that conservatives in every level of govt are the ones NOT letting their biases affect their work

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 12 July 2018 22:42 (seven years ago)

every time they bring up his extramarital affair he should bring up the president's.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 12 July 2018 22:59 (seven years ago)

:)

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/paul-manafort-sports-jailhouse-jumpsuit-scruff-new-lockup-n890941

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 12 July 2018 23:07 (seven years ago)

PRESIDENT DIPSHIT RISES AGAIN

President Trump on Thursday intervened directly in Britain’s fraught debate over withdrawal from the European Union, saying that Prime Minister Theresa May’s plans to keep close economic ties with the bloc could “kill” a possible trade deal with the United States.

In an interview with The Sun, Mr. Trump also said that Mrs. May had ignored his advice on negotiations over Britain’s departure, known as Brexit.

“I would have done it much differently,” Mr. Trump was quoted as saying. “I actually told Theresa May how to do it, but she didn’t listen to me.” Instead she went “the opposite way,” and the results have been “very unfortunate,” he said.

Mr. Trump also said that Boris Johnson, a Brexit hard-liner who resigned from Mrs. May’s government this week, would make “a great prime minister.”

Karl Malone, Thursday, 12 July 2018 23:26 (seven years ago)

BoJo vs Corbyn is the only way we're ever gonna settle the Bernie vs Trump hypothetical

Simon H., Thursday, 12 July 2018 23:28 (seven years ago)

something changed today

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 12 July 2018 23:50 (seven years ago)

i trumped myself, today

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 12 July 2018 23:53 (seven years ago)

peter strzok joined james clapper, john brennan, malcolm nance, and clinton watts as credible-ish veteran IC voices of alarm, i thought

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 13 July 2018 00:01 (seven years ago)

yes Strzok was steadfast and credible in the face of an amazing attack

Dan S, Friday, 13 July 2018 01:10 (seven years ago)

Damn, the VEHEMENCE in this man's testimony.

Groove(box) Denied (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 13 July 2018 01:11 (seven years ago)

something changed today

whose arms have libs been driven into now? so far i have the FBI, NATO and the Bushes

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 July 2018 01:56 (seven years ago)

Thought he did a decent job, and was best in his tirade against Gowdy, but maybe deflated a bit towards the end. I doubt this will change anyone's mind.

If the Republicans ever came close to making a salient point, it was when they clarified that Mueller took zero interest in the texts and potential bias, even after they entered the public realm. I don't personally see this as a strike against Mueller, but I could easily imagine it being used to help discredit him.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 13 July 2018 02:24 (seven years ago)

Mueller took zero interest in the texts and the appearance of bias? he fired Strzok!

I don't think the republicans ever came close to making a salient point

Dan S, Friday, 13 July 2018 03:33 (seven years ago)

whose arms have libs been driven into now?

you have never heard the dictum that the enemy of my enemy is my friend? or that other one about politics making strange bedfellows?

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 13 July 2018 04:14 (seven years ago)

or "crack a window when using airplane glue"?

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 13 July 2018 04:44 (seven years ago)

NYT’s characterization of today’s hearing:

But in defending himself and his agency, Mr. Strzok had to weather hours of blistering attacks by Republicans, who accused him not only of personal animus toward President Trump but also of blatant lying and moral misconduct with a senior F.B.I. lawyer, Lisa Page.


I’m not sure how anyone who watched could call that “blistering” attacks. That was some of the dumbest shit heard on C-SPAN all year, and that is really saying something

Karl Malone, Friday, 13 July 2018 04:52 (seven years ago)

but did it or did it not 'raise questions'

mookieproof, Friday, 13 July 2018 04:55 (seven years ago)

i figured they meant blistering as in the frequency and audacity of the attacks as opposed to how much of it actually stuck or had any effect on Strzok.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 13 July 2018 05:05 (seven years ago)

BoJo vs Corbyn is the only way we're ever gonna settle the Bernie vs Trump hypothetical

I've got more chance of being Prime Minster than Boris. By the way, there's three of these fuckers flying in formation over my neighbourhood, at such low altitude that the noise is deafening, because of your cunt of a President. Though it might have something to do with Corbyn living in the area too.

https://www.skybrary.aero/images/thumb/V22.jpg/300px-V22.jpg

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Friday, 13 July 2018 08:07 (seven years ago)

In July 2016, Strzok, who was leading the F.B.I.’s investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server, rephrased his description of Clinton’s decisions from “grossly negligent” to “extremely careless” in a draft of a statement to be issued publicly by James Comey, who then headed the F.B.I.

*checks thesaurus*

No organ. (crüt), Friday, 13 July 2018 12:20 (seven years ago)

Apparently one has criminal implications and the other does not

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 13 July 2018 12:27 (seven years ago)

Trump is calling a taped interview that the Sun posted audio of “fake news”

— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) July 13, 2018

frogbs, Friday, 13 July 2018 13:28 (seven years ago)

Rupert won't like that.

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Friday, 13 July 2018 13:33 (seven years ago)

from the guardian's liveblog of the trump/may car crash press conference

Trump refuses to take a question from CNN. He says it is “fake news”. He takes a question from Fox News instead.

v cool normal president stuff

look, you’re just gonna get gravy on the baby sometimes 🤷‍♂️ (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 13 July 2018 13:34 (seven years ago)

2scoops returns with all sorts of "russian intelligence secrets" after monday's helsinki meeting. sleep tight USA

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 13 July 2018 13:42 (seven years ago)

peetapeski

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 13 July 2018 13:57 (seven years ago)

gnnngghhhhhh

Trump says he met two nice people from the Sun. When told that one is here, he asks him if he included the nice things he said about May. Told that the Sun did, he said where, on the internet? Told it was in the paper, he says it was not in the headline.

look, you’re just gonna get gravy on the baby sometimes 🤷‍♂️ (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 13 July 2018 14:00 (seven years ago)

"Fortunately we tend to record stories now so we have it for your enjoyment if you'd like it. But we record when we deal with reporters. It's called fake news. We solve a lot of problems with the good old recording instrument."

what a fucking idiot

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 13 July 2018 14:09 (seven years ago)

more people telling him to fuck off in london than were at his inauguration? probably

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/live-experience/cps/800/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2018/7/13/a58ae79f-b6f3-4482-ba7c-563b2d6cf60c.jpg

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Friday, 13 July 2018 14:14 (seven years ago)

from yesterday but this is awesome

WATCH Raskin remind everyone that insults toward Donald Trump do not mean deep state conspiracy as he points out overwhelming Republican hypocrisy. These greatest hits insults are delicious. pic.twitter.com/vEwy9jqQp3

— Amee Vanderpool (@girlsreallyrule) July 12, 2018

frogbs, Friday, 13 July 2018 14:14 (seven years ago)

Trump v. The Sun. It's like Godzilla v. Mothra but more evil and destructive.

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Friday, 13 July 2018 14:15 (seven years ago)

He really does project as a matter of routine. Didn’t he just say that he “told” May how to handle Brexit but she “didn’t listen”, then complained that the fake news had said that he’d criticized May?

Karl Malone, Friday, 13 July 2018 14:16 (seven years ago)

BREAKING: Rod Rosenstein is holding a press conference at 11:45a for a "law enforcement announcement"

— David P Gelles (@gelles) July 13, 2018

finally, they're locking her up

frogbs, Friday, 13 July 2018 14:19 (seven years ago)

finally our long national nightmare will be over

look, you’re just gonna get gravy on the baby sometimes 🤷‍♂️ (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 13 July 2018 14:19 (seven years ago)

oh no

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 13 July 2018 14:19 (seven years ago)

i probably shouldn't complain because it's not like i built a giant trump blimp and had to deal with the logistics, but i was kind of hoping it would be larger. like 4000 feet wide or something and visible from iceland

Karl Malone, Friday, 13 July 2018 14:22 (seven years ago)

I wonder if Barron sees that thing and is now hysterical and begging the mean Brits to pull his father from the sky

frogbs, Friday, 13 July 2018 14:24 (seven years ago)

When you see it the size of it is a real disappointment - so pretty apt amirite? (xp)

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Friday, 13 July 2018 14:25 (seven years ago)

should come with a mandatory NDA before you come near it

Karl Malone, Friday, 13 July 2018 14:26 (seven years ago)

i am going to go barf in an alley, brb

Karl Malone, Friday, 13 July 2018 14:26 (seven years ago)

okay that raskin clip did give me some tiny fleeting measure of satisfaction, that was worth it

This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Friday, 13 July 2018 14:44 (seven years ago)

"did you tell Bruce Springsteen to say that" made me laugh out loud

frogbs, Friday, 13 July 2018 15:05 (seven years ago)

rosenstein will announce he's stepping down, jim jordan will replace him, the house of representatives is getting renamed the trump house of representatives, michael flynn is free to go, lisa page was behind the effort to smear the president and his rosneft deal, and robert mueller has to trade places with paul manafort in solitary confinement. go USA

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 13 July 2018 15:12 (seven years ago)

from earlier this week, apologies if it was already discussed upthread

The House Appropriations Committee on Wednesday passed an amendment allowing taxpayer-funded adoption agencies to deny LGBTQ families the ability to adopt a child based on religious objection.

The amendment appears on a funding bill for the Departments of Labor, Health and Human Services, and Education. If it remains in the final bill, the amendment would cut 15% of federal adoption funding to states and localities that penalize adoption agencies that refuse to place children in families that conflict with the agency’s “sincerely held religious beliefs or convictions.”

The amendment also bars the federal government from refusing to work with adoption agencies that discriminate.

]https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2018/07/rule-making-legal-ban-gays-lesbians-adopting-passes-house-committee/

Karl Malone, Friday, 13 July 2018 15:25 (seven years ago)

also, looks like there will likely be a vote to abolish ICE in the house. things could get ugly.

House Republican leaders plan to hold a vote on a liberal bill to abolish the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency — forcing Democrats to weigh in on a controversial issue that has divided the party just months before the midterms.

“We can have a debate,” House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy told reporters Thursday, adding that the vote would occur before the August recess.

GOP leaders are also considering holding a vote on a "Medicare for All" proposal supported by progressives. That vote could take place in several weeks, said GOP sources.

The proposals, which have become a rallying cry on the left, aren't supported by party leaders or moderates, who warn it threatens to alienate independent voters in critical districts they need to win back the House.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/12/house-republicans-abolish-ice-vote-democrats-position-715420

Karl Malone, Friday, 13 July 2018 15:31 (seven years ago)

when people first started talking about abolishing ICE on here, i thought it was a little naive. reform yes, of course, but eliminating the agency altogether seemed impossible. i was wrong about that, so i plan to sit in the STFU penalty zone, with months of watching everyone rationalize why it's good that pelosi and schumer won't support abolishing ICE as the punishment

Karl Malone, Friday, 13 July 2018 15:35 (seven years ago)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dh_NGpDU8AETYaW.jpg

Today, an inflatable Trump baby finally took to the skies over London, so I am resharing my homage to Pink Floyd's Animals to mark the occasion pic.twitter.com/RGAqco9BI3

— James Bareham (@Happicamp) July 13, 2018

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 13 July 2018 15:36 (seven years ago)

rosenstein will announce he's stepping down, jim jordan will replace him, the house of representatives is getting renamed the trump house of representatives, michael flynn is free to go, lisa page was behind the effort to smear the president and his rosneft deal, and robert mueller has to trade places with paul manafort in solitary confinement. go USA

― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, July 13, 2018 4:12 PM (twenty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dude, with all due respect, you're jumping the shark

Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Friday, 13 July 2018 15:37 (seven years ago)

when people first started talking about abolishing ICE on here, i thought it was a little naive. reform yes, of course, but eliminating the agency altogether seemed impossible. i was wrong about that, so i plan to sit in the STFU penalty zone, with months of watching everyone rationalize why it's good that pelosi and schumer won't support abolishing ICE as the punishment

Karl I posted that link upthread but to me the key takeaway is that the GOP is basically calling this vote as a political stunt to embarrass/split the Democrats - but the bills sponsors (in that same link you posted) are adamant that they will not take the bait, will vote "no" on their own bill and instead use the time to publicly shame the Trump administration for their immigration policies. I don't think this is actually going to split the caucus.

Οὖτις, Friday, 13 July 2018 15:43 (seven years ago)

the key bit:

But Pocan and the bill‘s other authors, Reps. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.) and Adriano Espaillat (D-N.Y.), say they won’t be part of a GOP “political stunt.” Pocan said he expects other Democrats to follow suit in voting no but said they'd relish the opportunity to debate immigration on the House floor.

“If Paul [Ryan] really wants to give us time, we would love to have time on the floor," Pocan said in an interview. “We’ll be glad to capture floor time to talk about family separation, to talk about ICE, to talk about DACA, all the stuff that they haven’t given us floor time on.”

Οὖτις, Friday, 13 July 2018 15:43 (seven years ago)

Hmm

CNN: New indictment expected in Mueller probe today. Prosecutors from Robert Mueller’s Special Counsel’s Office and the Justice Department’s National Security Division visited the courtroom of a federal magistrate judge today to return a grand jury indictment.

— Shimon Prokupecz (@ShimonPro) July 13, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 July 2018 15:44 (seven years ago)

have to say I'm a little nervous about whatever Rosenstein's got to say

Οὖτις, Friday, 13 July 2018 15:45 (seven years ago)

the house of representatives is getting renamed the trump house of representatives

The House of Trumpresentatives, surely.

Eliza D., Friday, 13 July 2018 15:46 (seven years ago)

Rosenstein last announced a Mueller-related indictment related to the problem to that Russian org and operatives. Could be along the same lines.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 July 2018 15:47 (seven years ago)

have to say I'm a little nervous about whatever Rosenstein's got to say

― Οὖτις, Friday, July 13, 2018 10:45 AM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

like, "we were wrong case closed" or

gbx, Friday, 13 July 2018 15:50 (seven years ago)

"People are being really mean to us online, so we're shutting this down..."

President Keyes, Friday, 13 July 2018 15:52 (seven years ago)

also I guess trump is currently meeting with the queen??

gbx, Friday, 13 July 2018 15:54 (seven years ago)

I think the National Security Division mention might be the tell as such, per my 'more Russian indictments' hunch. Timing right before the Helsinki meetup is interesting, though.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 July 2018 15:54 (seven years ago)

like, "we were wrong case closed" or

Ned's probably right that an indictment is the likeliest scenario, but a resignation or recusal or something worse is also a possibility

Οὖτις, Friday, 13 July 2018 15:55 (seven years ago)

xpost

oops, didn't see you'd already posted it! i agree that the democrats will probably end up unifying against their own bill to abolish ICE, and it is definitely a political stunt by the GOP. but ultimately, wasn't it also a political stunt by the Democratic authors of the bill to propose legislation that they don't actually want to vote on? the GOP's strategy makes sense in the usual machiavellian fashion, while the democrats are only in this position because of the disconnect between the leadership of the party and the things that their base actually deeply wants.

Karl Malone, Friday, 13 July 2018 15:55 (seven years ago)

Ned's probably right that an indictment is the likeliest scenario, but a resignation or recusal or something worse is also a possibility

Unlikely based on that tweet.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 July 2018 15:56 (seven years ago)

wasn't it also a political stunt by the Democratic authors of the bill to propose legislation that they don't actually want to vote on?

eh this kind of thing happens all the time in the House.

Οὖτις, Friday, 13 July 2018 15:56 (seven years ago)

by which I mean people write up bills all the time, but the other part of the equation is *when* and under what circumstances those get called to the floor for a vote. Sometimes Reps just like to have bills in their back pocket ready to go should the opportunity present itself, or use writing up a bill to stake out an opinion or shore up their bona fides with their constituents ("look at this bill I wrote!"), or pressure leadership, or deliberately craft a bill to embarrass or undermine the opposition etc.

Οὖτις, Friday, 13 July 2018 15:59 (seven years ago)

lol 12 russian intel officers
journalists reading embargoed press release on camera

President Keyes, Friday, 13 July 2018 16:01 (seven years ago)

Flashback to Pompeo's meeting 6 months ago:

Russian spy chiefs met in Washington with CIA director last week
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-russian-spy-chiefs-cia-20180131-story.html

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 13 July 2018 16:04 (seven years ago)

OMG, you mean it was the Russians that hacked into the DNC server? But ... Hillary isn't Russian, is she? She must have helped them get in at least.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 July 2018 16:04 (seven years ago)

timing this right before Trump gives Putin a blowie seems very deliberate

Οὖτις, Friday, 13 July 2018 16:05 (seven years ago)

bahahaha live feed reporters just got burned in a very polite way

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 13 July 2018 16:06 (seven years ago)

This will finally get Trump and his supporters to accept the conclusions, you'll see.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 July 2018 16:06 (seven years ago)

it kind of defeats the purpose of an embargo when I can hear people talking about it on the mic

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 13 July 2018 16:06 (seven years ago)

xposts
yeah, i'm familiar with the dynamics of how longshot bills are kept in the back pocket. just saying that the authors of the bill calling it a "political stunt" to actually have to vote on the bill doesn't play very well among... actually i just remembered that literally no one will care about this

anyway, rosenstein time

Karl Malone, Friday, 13 July 2018 16:06 (seven years ago)

embargo was just lifted and yup it was 12 Russian nationals hacking the DNC server

xp

Οὖτις, Friday, 13 July 2018 16:07 (seven years ago)

heh, nice

On CNN, Trump walking around slowly with the queen while a letter box next to him says "Soon: Additional Mueller indictment expected"

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) July 13, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 13 July 2018 16:07 (seven years ago)

sounds like it's going to be about russian spearphishing

one of the tv correspondents for another network is reporting on it in the background of NBC's feed

Karl Malone, Friday, 13 July 2018 16:07 (seven years ago)

This will finally show those Russians.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 July 2018 16:08 (seven years ago)

Russian government officials

Evan, Friday, 13 July 2018 16:08 (seven years ago)

two days before 2scoops meets with erstwhile KGB officer vlad 'the enabler' putin

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 13 July 2018 16:09 (seven years ago)

these 12 guys must all weigh 400 lbs. so that's what? 2.4 tons?

President Keyes, Friday, 13 July 2018 16:09 (seven years ago)

These 12 Russians also conspired conspired to hack into the computers of state election officials, per the press release.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 July 2018 16:09 (seven years ago)

lock strzok up!

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 13 July 2018 16:10 (seven years ago)

you are becoming indistinguishable from the things (i think you're ironically) railing against

Karl Malone, Friday, 13 July 2018 16:12 (seven years ago)

ABC News cutting away from Trump and the Queen to Rod Rosenstein. That's gonna burn his cottage cheese ass all by itself.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 13 July 2018 16:13 (seven years ago)

Someone should start an investigation to find out how Rosenstein got access to this information!!!!

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 July 2018 16:14 (seven years ago)

So this puts Trump in an awkward place for Putin meeting

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 13 July 2018 16:15 (seven years ago)

12 Russian nationals hacking the DNC server

so it's like if Watergate were carried out by a foreign power and encouraged by the future president of the united states nbd

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 13 July 2018 16:15 (seven years ago)

rosenstein just emphasized that there were no US citizens involved in this indictment, and no evidence that the tampering affected the results. those two things alone will ensure that the entire GOP and their base won't give a fuck about this

Karl Malone, Friday, 13 July 2018 16:19 (seven years ago)

That's ok, Trump will commit unforced errors without outside help

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 13 July 2018 16:20 (seven years ago)

honestly maybe that's...ok? seems pretty sound strategy to not implicate trump et al until you've already secured the indictments. it may give an excuse for the GOP and their base to moan about the witch hunt but as long as it's not used as grounds to actually ~stop~ the investigation i think it's ok

also, thought this was interesting:

Stating the obvious but: The details here suggest visibility into the structure of GRU hacking units there’s no way you’d get from data forensics.

— Julian Sanchez (@normative) July 13, 2018

gbx, Friday, 13 July 2018 16:22 (seven years ago)

i thought this was a damp squib (we already knew that russian hackers were involved, and it's not like they're gonna do time) until i considered the possibility that these came as a result of ppl rolling over -- if that's the case, then this might actually have implications for the likes of jared/don jr/etc

gbx, Friday, 13 July 2018 16:24 (seven years ago)

WTF:

pic.twitter.com/niQHD5y35i

— Peter J. Hasson (@peterjhasson) July 13, 2018

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 July 2018 16:26 (seven years ago)

that seems...important

gbx, Friday, 13 July 2018 16:28 (seven years ago)

^This is huge, isn't it? This is a full-on crime by a US congressman.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 July 2018 16:28 (seven years ago)

Gah, I wonder what else is in there that people will catch.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 July 2018 16:28 (seven years ago)

elsewhere in executive grifting

Vice President Mike Pence turns nostalgic when he talks about growing up in small-town Columbus, Indiana, where his father helped build an empire of more than 200 gas stations that provided an upbringing on the “front row of the American dream.”

The collapse of Kiel Bros. Oil Co. in 2004 was widely publicized. Less known is that the state of Indiana — and, to a smaller extent, Kentucky and Illinois — are still on the hook for millions of dollars to clean up more than 85 contaminated sites across the three states, including underground tanks that leaked toxic chemicals into soil, streams and wells.

Indiana alone has spent at least $21 million on the cleanup thus far, or an average of about $500,000 per site, according an analysis of records by The Associated Press. And the work is nowhere near complete....

In a statement, Pence's older brother Greg Pence — who was president of Kiel Bros. when it went bankrupt and is now running for Congress as a Republican — distanced himself from the cleanup costs.

"Greg Pence has had nothing to do with Kiel Bros since 2004. This is another attempt by the liberal media to rehash old, baseless attacks," campaign spokeswoman Molly Gillaspie said....

Greg Pence wasn't out of work for long. Within months, Daniels appointed him deputy commissioner of the Department of Environmental Management, the same agency fighting Kiel Bros. in court. Pence stepped down after only a few months, however, and returned to the petroleum business.

Daniels spokesman Jim Bush said the Pence family's political influence played no role in Greg Pence's hire. He declined to comment on the state's decision to drop its claim against Kiel Bros. in bankruptcy court.

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2018/07/13/us/ap-us-pence-gas-station-empire.html

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 July 2018 16:30 (seven years ago)

Rosenstein specifically said that the Americans involved are not confirmed to have been knowingly conspiring? Is the request for the stolen documents mentioned an issue separate from that disclaimer?

Evan, Friday, 13 July 2018 16:31 (seven years ago)

There's a lot to parse between the lines. Maybe no Americans were involved *in the hacking and distribution*. Soliciting stolen information from the Russians, that seems like something else.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 July 2018 16:32 (seven years ago)

crime by a US congressman

by a "candidate for US Congress", so not necessarily a successful one

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 13 July 2018 16:33 (seven years ago)

From the indictment:

"The conspirators, posing as Guccifer 2.0, wrote to a person who was in regular contact with senior members of the presidential campaign of Donald J. Trump" pic.twitter.com/Qs8yLZyQaU

— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) July 13, 2018

gbx, Friday, 13 July 2018 16:34 (seven years ago)

"knowingly conspiring" = they didn't know (for a fact) Guccifer was the Russians

wonder who the candidate was. (Please be Devin Nunes)

Οὖτις, Friday, 13 July 2018 16:34 (seven years ago)

"The conspirators, posing as Guccifer 2.0, wrote to a person who was in regular contact with senior members of the presidential campaign of Donald J. Trump"

Roger Stone's already copped to this, others are probably Carter Page or Papadopolous or Flynn or jfc it could be so many of these assholes

Οὖτις, Friday, 13 July 2018 16:35 (seven years ago)

so basically this is just more confirmation of the broad outlines we all already knew over a year ago

Οὖτις, Friday, 13 July 2018 16:35 (seven years ago)

well, quite a bit more than a year ago I guess

Οὖτις, Friday, 13 July 2018 16:36 (seven years ago)

The US Congressional candidate thing is new.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 July 2018 16:36 (seven years ago)

interesting timing someone pointed out

https://i.imgur.com/utk2dty.jpg

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/28/us/politics/donald-trump-russia-clinton-emails.html

on the same day ??

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 13 July 2018 16:40 (seven years ago)

yeah the timing of that is *really* suspect

Οὖτις, Friday, 13 July 2018 16:42 (seven years ago)

someone at the campaign had to have put a bug in his ear about that, there's no way it's just a coincidence

Οὖτις, Friday, 13 July 2018 16:43 (seven years ago)

yea this is not new information really but it does connect more dots and obviously was a necessary step. gotta do this before you can go after the rest if I'm understanding this correctly

from what I understand they could probably get Roger Stone with the info that's public right now

frogbs, Friday, 13 July 2018 16:44 (seven years ago)

Loving the very British signs at the #TrumpProtests 🤣🤣🤣 #DumpTrump pic.twitter.com/dW3uedcZoF

— UK Uncut (@UKuncut) July 13, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 July 2018 16:46 (seven years ago)

A+ signage

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 13 July 2018 16:48 (seven years ago)

Paid 4 by Soros

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 13 July 2018 16:55 (seven years ago)

gotta say great work by Mueller dropping this a few days before Trump meets with Putin lmao

frogbs, Friday, 13 July 2018 16:59 (seven years ago)

rudy giuliani, elderly lawyer, already coming with the "welp looks like that's proof no americans were involved, time to wrap it up"

gbx, Friday, 13 July 2018 17:05 (seven years ago)

People piecing things together thing the Congressman is sitting GOP rep Brian Mast.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 July 2018 17:11 (seven years ago)

Mast possibly got the material through consultant/operative Aaron Nevins, whose connection to Guccifer was already established.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 July 2018 17:12 (seven years ago)

Amusingly cold.

Trump was briefed by Rosenstein earlier this week about new Russian indictments, yet Trump continued to call Mueller probe a “witch hunt” even today. “I’ll allow the president to speak for himself,” Rosenstein said when asked how Trump reacted to allegations

— Manu Raju (@mkraju) July 13, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 July 2018 17:35 (seven years ago)

when will trump ask if he can pardon the russians?

akm, Friday, 13 July 2018 17:47 (seven years ago)

the dude loves his russians

Evan, Friday, 13 July 2018 17:49 (seven years ago)

Will these indicted Russian spies ever have a trial? Or will the indictment serve as sufficient proof of guilt?

— Doug Henwood (@DougHenwood) July 13, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 July 2018 17:55 (seven years ago)

I do love the idea that Putin would go "Oh yeah, please have these dozen intelligence officers of mine, my treat." (I love the idea even more than someone like Henwood would think that would be a thing.)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 July 2018 18:00 (seven years ago)

he doesn't

he's talking about accepting it as if they were convicted

ahhhhh i bet he's secretly pro-Trump just like the "lefties" at the Intercept

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 July 2018 18:11 (seven years ago)

the question of Russian intelligence agents' guilt is pretty moot, why would anyone focus on that

Οὖτις, Friday, 13 July 2018 18:12 (seven years ago)

In case russian agents vacation with the intercept in the USA location.

Hunt3r, Friday, 13 July 2018 18:16 (seven years ago)

no but he really hates clinton and has let that loathing tinge his “cmon guys” attitude, just like others have

xp

maura, Friday, 13 July 2018 18:17 (seven years ago)

like i know everyone wants to be all kumbaya and shit but clinton derangement syndrome is magnified by misogyny and i’ve seen DH fall prey to it over and over again

anyway i’m not arguing about this

maura, Friday, 13 July 2018 18:18 (seven years ago)

morbs needs leftist backup against us lawyers twice in one day eh

princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 13 July 2018 18:19 (seven years ago)

Oh, *now* I understand.

It's a "-vich" hunt! pic.twitter.com/snNBKJoupC

— Jason Zweig (@jasonzweigwsj) July 13, 2018

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 13 July 2018 18:19 (seven years ago)

lol

Dan S, Friday, 13 July 2018 18:21 (seven years ago)

Come on - one of them is literally named "Potemkin" and another is named "Boris"! This is obviously bullshit.

Am I doing it right, Morbius? Is this what Glenn would want?

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 13 July 2018 18:22 (seven years ago)

"-vitch hunt' would be more clever if the wordplay aligned with some kind of reality instead of cheap irony.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 13 July 2018 18:27 (seven years ago)

always good to hear from doug "whitewater was real" henwood

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 13 July 2018 18:34 (seven years ago)

Is this what Glenn would want?

you know, you need a small vacation

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 July 2018 18:34 (seven years ago)

FART!

Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Friday, 13 July 2018 18:36 (seven years ago)

Someone's nervous.

Roger Stone tells CNN he does not believe he is the unnamed person in the indictment: “My contact with the campaign in 2016 was Donald Trump. I was not in regular contact with campaign officials.” From @mj_lee https://t.co/LLYs6HXgBA

— Brian Ries (@moneyries) July 13, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 13 July 2018 18:54 (seven years ago)

*desmond voice* “whitewater was real. It’s the news that got fake.”

Hunt3r, Friday, 13 July 2018 19:02 (seven years ago)

god the whole "Russia hacked the DNC emails right after Trump literally asked them to" thing is so unreal

frogbs, Friday, 13 July 2018 19:13 (seven years ago)

who's the puppet now?

President Keyes, Friday, 13 July 2018 19:18 (seven years ago)

#DalekTrump invades Westminster! Props to the excellent Secret Service Agents armed with plungers and Theresa CyberMay. They will destroy your planet one climate agreement at a time! pic.twitter.com/8DQRUuCQdh

— Al Binnie-Lubbock (@alastairis) July 13, 2018

Roomba with an attitude (Sanpaku), Friday, 13 July 2018 19:20 (seven years ago)

Last month VR Systems, which sells election software to swing states, told me they were never hacked by Russia.

According to today's indictment, that sure looks like a giant, persistent lie.https://t.co/eesWOUruma

— Sam Biddle (@samfbiddle) July 13, 2018

global tetrahedron, Friday, 13 July 2018 19:44 (seven years ago)

Apologies if that was already posted but...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tTBkesVdr0

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 13 July 2018 20:06 (seven years ago)

My thoughts, more or less in order:

Putin waxes 12 dudes each day before lunch, so he won't give a fuck.

Trump and Trumpublicans don't give a fuck.

Whatever Trump campaign person was involved, that person will retroactively be declared a minor intern.

Wankmaggot is pretty good, will save for future use.

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 13 July 2018 21:07 (seven years ago)

Whatever Trump campaign person was involved, that person will retroactively be declared a minor intern.

consensus is that it's roger stone, i think?

Karl Malone, Friday, 13 July 2018 21:43 (seven years ago)

jfc that Brexit ramble, his stupidity and narcissism still shocks me

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Friday, 13 July 2018 21:45 (seven years ago)

Apparently House Freedom Caucus trying to impeach Rosenstein...good luck w that

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 13 July 2018 21:58 (seven years ago)

consensus is that it's roger stone, i think?

Minor intern Roger Stone, just like minor intern Paul Manafort, temp typist Mike Flynn, and volunteers like George Papadopoulos, Corey Lewandowski, Omarosa Manigault, Rick Gates, Michael Cohen.

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 13 July 2018 21:59 (seven years ago)

NEWS: As Rosenstein announces indictments, House Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows is filing a motion to impeach him for DOJ noncompliance, source tells me

— Daniel Newhauser (@dnewhauser) July 13, 2018

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 13 July 2018 22:13 (seven years ago)

good luck bruh

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 13 July 2018 22:14 (seven years ago)

will be surprised if Ryan goes along with that

Οὖτις, Friday, 13 July 2018 22:15 (seven years ago)

he definitely threatened it indirectly himself but it's easier to threaten, a lot harder politically to actually follow through on. whereas a House Freedom Cockfarmer won't give a shit about that

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 13 July 2018 22:16 (seven years ago)

Rosenstein impeachment requires 2/3rds of the Senate

Οὖτις, Friday, 13 July 2018 22:17 (seven years ago)

my read on this is that Trump is leaning on his loyal lapdogs in the House to get rid of Rosenstein, because he's too much of a pussy to do it himself

Οὖτις, Friday, 13 July 2018 22:18 (seven years ago)

will this be jim jordan's shining moment

Karl Malone, Friday, 13 July 2018 22:20 (seven years ago)

I mean I don't think Ryan would even want it voted on

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 13 July 2018 22:21 (seven years ago)

lotta Bud Dwyer redux moments on the way

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 13 July 2018 22:21 (seven years ago)

That footage of the Queen trying to get out from behind Trump is the best political-slapstick clip since the botched introductions to that one Republican debate.

clemenza, Friday, 13 July 2018 22:23 (seven years ago)

Today, @realDonaldTrump and @FLOTUS had tea with Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II at Windsor Castle before departing the U.K.

Follow their trip in photos on the White House Facebook page: https://t.co/z6OjKpTKFR pic.twitter.com/BTlJTSEewU

— The White House (@WhiteHouse) July 13, 2018



The White House doesn't know where the UK is.

kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Friday, 13 July 2018 23:45 (seven years ago)

this is from a infosec wonk who is afaict pretty reasonable

Today's Netyksho et al indictment of a dozen GRU officers for interference in the US election is historically unprecedented in scope, detail, & likely impact—and I say this as I am finalizing a history of disinformation, ACTIVE MEASURES (out next year @fsgbooks). A few thoughts—

— Thomas Rid (@RidT) July 13, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 13 July 2018 23:47 (seven years ago)

Aw.

Roger Stone says he’s the 'US person' mentioned in Mueller indictment - @ABC News - ⁦@ABCInvestigateshttps://t.co/QtHdy7duoS

— Ali Dukakis (@ajdukakis) July 13, 2018

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 14 July 2018 00:39 (seven years ago)

Though it appears House conservatives are seriously ramping up their efforts to boot Rosenstein, the timing of the impeachment filing and the level of support for it among the rest of the GOP caucus are not entirely clear. House Freedom Caucus members Rep. Mark Meadows (R-NC) and Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH), two of Rosenstein’s most vocal critics, are leading the effort

is it crazy for me to assume that part of jim jordan's motivation is to is overtly demonstrate his loyalty to trump in return for a pardon in the future, if one became necessary for some unforeseeable reason?

Karl Malone, Saturday, 14 July 2018 00:59 (seven years ago)

You always ascribe like 3000% more forethought to these chump-ass dumbfucks than they’re remotely capable of

El Tomboto, Saturday, 14 July 2018 01:35 (seven years ago)

Shrewdness doesn't require a very high level of intelligence, just a basic sense of your own and everyone else's position in the pecking order. Then you suck up to the higher-ups and shit on the lower-downs.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 14 July 2018 03:37 (seven years ago)

Kind of a stretch for Roger Stone to call himself a person

devops mom (silby), Saturday, 14 July 2018 03:45 (seven years ago)

does a photo exist of Stone where he doesn't look like he's just been caught fucking a dog?

Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Saturday, 14 July 2018 06:37 (seven years ago)

in my mind, roger stone looks exactly like roger sterling

akm, Saturday, 14 July 2018 06:45 (seven years ago)

in his too

the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Saturday, 14 July 2018 07:37 (seven years ago)

speaking of greenwald and clinton derangement syndrome this is a great thread

lmao pic.twitter.com/EesCXyLKxL

— Centrism Fan Acct 🔹 (@Wilson__Valdez) July 13, 2018

maura, Saturday, 14 July 2018 11:51 (seven years ago)

i’m kind of loving everyone goin back through gg’s NOT THE PUPPET tweets and just captioning them with “lol”

misogyny’s a real bitch huh

maura, Saturday, 14 July 2018 11:56 (seven years ago)

How's does anyone not realize that he's 100% bought and sold by Fox and
Russia?

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 14 July 2018 12:02 (seven years ago)

*sigh*

I find it much easier to believe that GG is a relentless contrarian (to the point of it being an obvious irritant) and "left" reactionary than some kind of asset. The simplest counter I can offer is that the publication he co-founded and co-edits routinely publishes stuff that's perfectly in line with the Russiagate narrative. See basically any Russia-related scoop written on by Sam Biddle, for instance. Hell, they're giving James Risen an entire series of pieces.

Simon H., Saturday, 14 July 2018 12:08 (seven years ago)

oh he’s a misogynist first and foremost. it happens!

The parallel is lefties that hate The Establishment more than they hate white male supremacy (as if those circles don’t still overlap). /27

— Ed Overbeek 🗽 (@EdOverbeek) July 11, 2017

maura, Saturday, 14 July 2018 12:17 (seven years ago)

lock her up!

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/13/politics/lisa-page-interview-closed-doors/index.html

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 14 July 2018 12:18 (seven years ago)

here’s a statistical analysis of the 1.3 million words trump has said since being sworn in. spoiler: there’s a lot of lying

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/analysis/2018/07/14/trump-has-said-1340330-words-as-president-theyre-getting-more-dishonest-a-star-study-shows.html

maura, Saturday, 14 July 2018 12:25 (seven years ago)

(i was going to make the “and a lot of love” lucille bluth joke but given the subject...)

maura, Saturday, 14 July 2018 12:25 (seven years ago)

GG isn't a 'contrarian', he's just wrong. And since he is obviously unable to admit when he is wrong, he is constantly doubling down.

Frederik B, Saturday, 14 July 2018 12:32 (seven years ago)

Doubling down/inability to course-correct or admit wrong is sort of a huge thing among the pundit/name-journalist class in general

Simon H., Saturday, 14 July 2018 12:42 (seven years ago)

Well, yeah, the NYT being another prime current example. But that is not any kind of defense of GG.

Frederik B, Saturday, 14 July 2018 12:47 (seven years ago)

And tbh, most pundits still don't end up on Tucker Carlson or interviewed in RT explaining how we on the left are on the same side as Italian neo-fascists.

Frederik B, Saturday, 14 July 2018 12:48 (seven years ago)

Wasn't intended as a defense tbc

Simon H., Saturday, 14 July 2018 12:49 (seven years ago)

what shows are you going on, F?

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 14 July 2018 13:15 (seven years ago)

#BREAKING President Donald Trump waving a protestors who are calling him racist as he plays golf at #Turnberry @realDonaldTrump #TrumpProtests #TrumpVisitsUK #trump pic.twitter.com/aZFmqFzkzX

— Frankie McCamley (@Frankie_Mack) July 14, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 14 July 2018 14:09 (seven years ago)

civility!

look, you’re just gonna get gravy on the baby sometimes 🤷‍♂️ (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 14 July 2018 14:21 (seven years ago)

nice. they must have his US golf courses blocked off for miles because i'm not sure i've ever seen him heckled on one.

Karl Malone, Saturday, 14 July 2018 14:39 (seven years ago)

according to an analysis by the toronto star, trump is speaking/tweeting more, which means he's also lying more frequently. no surprise there.

https://i.imgur.com/WVYLQ42.png
https://i.imgur.com/86gb9gs.png

but even after taking the additional words he's speaking into account, the % of his speech that is made up of lies has steadily risen

https://i.imgur.com/CyjRDA4.png

Karl Malone, Saturday, 14 July 2018 15:13 (seven years ago)

his stroke is healing nicely

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 14 July 2018 15:15 (seven years ago)

it's US tradition to keep the hecklers out of earshot. Though I was across the street from Bill Clinton's 50th birthday fundraiser at Radio City, and a Dem in a fur coat waved at us.

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 14 July 2018 15:33 (seven years ago)

That is how they protest *you*.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 14 July 2018 15:35 (seven years ago)

xpost

traditionally we like to refer to it as "the free speech zone"

Karl Malone, Saturday, 14 July 2018 15:36 (seven years ago)

Love too pay taxes to support the army of secret service dudes on trump golf carts providing security for this fat ass to play golf

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Saturday, 14 July 2018 15:54 (seven years ago)

Hacked/leaked texts from Manafort girls over a year ago:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiBpW4GUcAE38fU.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 14 July 2018 16:25 (seven years ago)

Donald Trump's arrival with the First Lady at his Turnberry golf course in Scotland has been met with a protest from the air. A Greenpeace paraglider propelled past him with a banner saying 'Trump well below par' - it was in protest at his stance on green issues. Watch video here pic.twitter.com/xvhLByfnYo

— Zora Suleman (@ZoraSuleman) July 14, 2018

but "well below par" would actually mean...oh nevermind

Karl Malone, Saturday, 14 July 2018 17:08 (seven years ago)

Greenpeace don't golf

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 14 July 2018 17:20 (seven years ago)

they must have his US golf courses blocked off for miles

The Secret Service will do stuff like that.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 14 July 2018 17:29 (seven years ago)

Yeah, how did sub-par or par for the course become put-downs or mild praise? In both cases, at least as far as golf goes, those are good things, aren't they? I mean, I guess "par" sort of means "the expected" so below that or even at that is not terribly positive or enthusiastic. But I only ever hear "par" used in golf or as those aforementioned put-downs.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 14 July 2018 17:44 (seven years ago)

In the world of bond trading, sub-par means a bond has lost value since its issuance.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 14 July 2018 17:48 (seven years ago)

Answering my own question, it looks like the Latin derived word "par" and all those related terms dates back to the 1500s, but was adopted by golfers in the late 19th century. So all the negative or unenthusiastic uses of the word "par" predate golf, and its positive use in golf is generally an exception.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 14 July 2018 17:50 (seven years ago)

this is the first and only time I'm gonna expose myself to a Crooked Media thing on purpose (it was worth it)

13:30 to 26:60. On Love It or Leave It, Jon Lovett desperately holds on to a false narrative, while the awesome @DocMellyMel breaks it down for him. He still doesn’t get it. https://t.co/nzOW0Zbk1W

— Dave Anthony is The Cuckboy (@daveanthony) July 14, 2018

Simon H., Saturday, 14 July 2018 18:27 (seven years ago)

Welp I guess that settles it. Both parties are the same, everyone should probably stay home in November .

ant banks and wasp (voodoo chili), Saturday, 14 July 2018 19:12 (seven years ago)

"false narrative" eh

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 14 July 2018 19:16 (seven years ago)

Obviously Abdullah was otm in a lot of the things she said, but if you don’t think that electing democrats to the house is the most short-term important political objective for progressives, all I hear is faaaaaaart

ant banks and wasp (voodoo chili), Saturday, 14 July 2018 19:36 (seven years ago)

It's probably smart not to even consider voting for any Democrats until it's been proven in a court of law that Trump and Putin did the collusion.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 14 July 2018 19:59 (seven years ago)

yep that's what everyone is saying

just like those 'misogynist' pundits who are pretending to boost Ocasio and Cynthia Nixon with all those tweets

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 14 July 2018 20:04 (seven years ago)

(Mother of Christ, you people)

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 14 July 2018 20:04 (seven years ago)

*fart*

ant banks and wasp (voodoo chili), Saturday, 14 July 2018 20:11 (seven years ago)

maybe lay off the chili, voodoo or otherwise

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 14 July 2018 20:13 (seven years ago)

Put it this way, the "Russia hysteria" crowd will ultimately have some influence over whether a portion of voters turn up. If the Democratic vote is somewhere in the +8% range nationwide, a margin that by all rights should be a landslide, that still may not be enough to shift control of the House. In that context, endless handwringing over whether the Mueller investigation is legit or will ever land on something substantial, given all the evidence that is right there in plain view, seems hopelessly foolish at best.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 14 July 2018 20:14 (seven years ago)

And it should go without saying that "Russia hysteria" is the exact narrative that the Strzok circus was designed to enforce.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 14 July 2018 20:17 (seven years ago)

If people are burnt out by said hysteria, especially if it serves to obscure more relatable concerns, it's not hard to imagine it depressing turnout even if they can prove he handed putin a briefcase of dough himself

Simon H., Saturday, 14 July 2018 20:23 (seven years ago)

it's not "obscuring" anything and every democrat i can think of is continuing to talk about other things

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 14 July 2018 20:32 (seven years ago)

Mueller certainly hasn't done anything to stoke an hysteria over Russian interference in the 2016 election. The only info coming out of his investigation so far have been through indictments and court hearings. The most hysterical public statements so far have been issued by Trump himself via dozens of tweets and by some Republican members of Congress who regularly get hysterical about Rosenstein.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 14 July 2018 20:38 (seven years ago)

Not blaming Mueller for anything - i:m thinking of MSNBC and a lot of very online libs

Simon H., Saturday, 14 July 2018 20:40 (seven years ago)

Ignore or dismiss as much as you like, but people are getting burnt out and it's not just hysterical hyper lefties.

Simon H., Saturday, 14 July 2018 20:42 (seven years ago)

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/SWNS_TRUMP_SECURITY_12.jpg

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Saturday, 14 July 2018 20:49 (seven years ago)

No surprises but the trump admin are lobbying to get a genuine fascist lowlife out of jail in the UK.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 14 July 2018 21:07 (seven years ago)

Whomst?

Simon H., Saturday, 14 July 2018 21:13 (seven years ago)

Forgot to append the link

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/14/us-raises-concerns-with-uk-about-safety-of-tommy-robinson-jailed-edl-founder

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 14 July 2018 21:14 (seven years ago)

he also entered the US illegally in 2012

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 14 July 2018 21:19 (seven years ago)

The special relationship in operation - Trump and fascists.

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Saturday, 14 July 2018 21:25 (seven years ago)

Ignore or dismiss as much as you like, but people are getting burnt out and it's not just hysterical hyper lefties.

It's possibly just the logical outcome of years and years of shitty politicians doing shitty things with no repercussions. Someone like "Lock Her Up" Flynn going to jail would be pretty satisfying, but not him striking a deal that puts a bunch of untouchable Russians on notice over these other loud smug assholes who are in our face and fucking up everything on a daily basis. At this point, in terms of burnout, it will be a disaster that will only make the state of things worse if the only people taken out by Mueller are Flynn, Manafort and a bunch of nobodies, clowns and Russian operatives. The bull in a China shop aggression of Trump (what I just saw termed somewhere as "radical incompetence") needs to be countered by something equally radical, which is to say, the prosecution and conviction of recognizable assholes. Otherwise, given the pressure-cooker nature of current American politics, the feelings of distrust in our institutions and the people charged with protecting them will just go deeper and deeper and get even more destructive. I mean, I suppose that's what I'm expecting, anyway, but there's always hope.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 14 July 2018 21:37 (seven years ago)

That satisfactory ending will absolutely never come with a Republican-controlled Congress.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 14 July 2018 21:41 (seven years ago)

...which is why I'm sure Mueller's running the clock waiting on the November elections.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 14 July 2018 21:46 (seven years ago)

Exactly. I know we live in an age of instant gratification, but this is an incredibly wide-ranging and consequential investigation, it hasn't even gone on particularly long compared to similar ones like Watergate, and there have already been arrests and guilty pleas. It's not ending any time soon, but I don't understand why that would lead any intelligent person to assume that indicates there's nothing there. The more likely assumption is that there's an absurd amount of stuff there, and it is really difficult to wrap it up quickly.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 14 July 2018 21:52 (seven years ago)

probably why the republicans are making such a show of attempting to end it isn't it?
If there was nothing to be found would they be so vehement?

Stevolende, Saturday, 14 July 2018 21:57 (seven years ago)

This is absolutely true

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 14 July 2018 21:58 (seven years ago)

Another way to look at is the investigation may be crowding out topics that are more salient to individuals, but those topics will never gain any political traction if a combination of foreign intervention, gerrymandering, and left-wing infighting lock Democrats out of the majority forever.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 14 July 2018 22:02 (seven years ago)

Two things I saw argued yesterday which I think are relevant:

* Some commenter on Twitter, I forget who, noted that Mueller's handing responsibility regarding yesterday's indictments to the DOJ's national security division both frees up resources on his end as well as lightly underscores that any attempt to kill the probe outright overlooks how elements of it would still be under investigation (see also Cohen, of course).

* This tweet:

A truly extraordinary move on the part of the FBI to name-and-shame two specific GRU units (26165 and 74455), their commanding officers, subordinate officers, operational details. I can't think of a historical precedent that goes into similar detail in response to active measures

— Thomas Rid (@RidT) July 13, 2018

led to this one:

I noticed this as well. This level of detail is a signal. https://t.co/eIwHZDNRwv

— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) July 14, 2018

And that's hard to argue. Presumably those with a shred of self-awareness have been earnestly talking with their lawyers this weekend if they haven't hired any yet (and if they haven't, they're going to be in a world of hurt).

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 14 July 2018 22:06 (seven years ago)

If there was nothing to be found would they be so vehement?

It's a mystery to me, honestly. I can believe they can be defensive, but corruption and complicity requires both knowledge and, well, corruption and complicity. But I have a hard time believing this conspiracy really does encompass the entire GOP. I mean, it's possible! I just don't see why assholes like McConnell or Paul Ryan or Graham or Gowdy et al comport themselves the way they do. They might act dumb but they're not total idiots, or at least, even if they are they hold self preservation above all else, and even for the sake of power locking arms with people and peers who *are* corrupt and/or criminal seems like a poor strategy. I suppose one possibility is that they don't know anything more than you or I do about the investigation and have tried to stay willfully blind ( ala Pence?), but some of them clearly do, or must. Or maybe not! I think I just saw a quote from maybe one of the GOP senators investigating this mess admitting that the latest Mueller salvo was full of surprises, things they knew nothing about in detail they had no idea existed.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 14 July 2018 22:09 (seven years ago)

I doubt it extends to the people you mentioned, but I suspect there are members of Congress who are tainted like Nunes, Rohrabacher, and the various villains who were recently on an ass-kissing mission in Russia. I think th e leadership isn't actively complicit, but they also realize that the party as a whole benefits from foreign intervention, and would be gravely hurt by any significant court cases, impeachments, or resignations.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 14 July 2018 22:14 (seven years ago)

Honestly the long-term thing I'm most keeping an eye on is the tariff grinddown. Scott Lincicome at the Cato Institute is, well, a guy at the Cato Institute, but he's been not-so-quietly spitting acid at Trump for his trade decisions; today he pulled together a list of small-scale stories across the nation about it, and it's telling how the various people still giving Trump the benefit of the doubt are sounding increasingly strained (it's not a thread, but this is where he started):

👉"Trade pain: Small companies hit by import, export tariffs"👈 https://t.co/3nRJ4DDxT9

— Scott Lincicome (@scottlincicome) July 14, 2018

One of the stories he mentioned was this one:

https://www.argusleader.com/story/news/politics/2018/07/13/south-dakota-trump-tariffs-hit-home/780376002/

...and I found this part from it to be the classic definition of simultaneously self-aware and utterly hopeless:

In the meantime, VanderWal said he encouraged South Dakota farmers and ranchers to reach out to their congressional delegates. Criticizing the president's tactics wouldn't yield a positive outcome, he said.

"It doesn’t do any good to take shots at the president; he doesn’t respond favorably to that," VanderWal said.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 14 July 2018 22:16 (seven years ago)

Related, here's a useful collection of stories:

https://www.axios.com/go-deeper-local-effect-small-business-trump-trade-war-china-steel-tariffs-d367f274-1e86-443f-9e0a-f7d16dd46118.html

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 14 July 2018 22:21 (seven years ago)

Inflation is at a 6-year high, although surely that has nothing to do with Trump's glorious trade war that is going enrich working- and middle-class Americans any minute now.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 14 July 2018 22:23 (seven years ago)

I just don't see why assholes like McConnell or Paul Ryan or Graham or Gowdy et al comport themselves the way they do.

All that is necessary to explain their vehement protection of Trump is that while Trump is in power, so are they, and if Trump or many people he has raised to power are shown to be criminals then the backwash from that scandal will be sufficient to remove the Republicans from power for at least until they find a way to scrub off the mud.

They hate the idea of being out of power for even four or six years, because power begets power, and they've burned a lot of bridges in terms of changing the rules of the game to favor whoever is 'in' and leave the 'out' party in the cold vacuum of powerlessness. They are desperate to consolidate their gains and keep their hands on the controls, delivering the goods for their coalition of plutocrats, evangelicals and white nationalists.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 14 July 2018 23:46 (seven years ago)

Last sentence OTM. They have to keep up the play acting for their next job, and they have little to lose from doing what they clearly enjoy about their current one, i.e. grandstanding and bullshitting in front of cameras.

El Tomboto, Saturday, 14 July 2018 23:54 (seven years ago)

WaPo with some interesting bits:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/mueller-pushing-to-wrap-up-parts-of-russia-probe-faces-question-of-american-involvement/2018/07/14/4bdcef90-8786-11e8-8f6c-46cb43e3f306_story.html?utm_term=.ff7686edbfe0

As Mueller faces the task of resolving that piece of his inquiry — as well as his examination of whether President Trump has sought to obstruct the probe — people familiar with the investigation said the special counsel is pushing to wrap up a significant portion of his investigative work by the end of summer.

There are various factors that could alter Mueller’s efforts and timeline, most notably whether the standoff over an interview with Trump is resolved or ends up being litigated in court, according to the people, who requested anonymity to discuss an ongoing investigation.

As recently as this week, Mueller’s team has discussed interviewing more witnesses, a sign that a part of the probe remains very active, a person familiar with the matter said.

Mueller has discussed scenarios for winding down at least some of his office’s work in the coming months, the people said, emphasizing that the special counsel views his primary responsibility to be investigating — not necessarily prosecuting — any wrongdoing linked to the Russian interference efforts....

Despite the impasse, Trump attorney Jane Raskin continues to regularly negotiate with Mueller’s deputy, Jim Quarles, over the possible setting of the interview, including the time, place and setting, according to people familiar with her role.

Meanwhile, inside the Justice Department, law enforcement officials have discussed several scenarios in which the prosecutions of people who may be charged as a result of Mueller’s investigation are farmed out to other offices to handle any future trials.

In those scenarios, these people said, some prosecutors on Mueller’s team could move with their cases to Justice Department headquarters or individual U.S. attorney offices, these people said.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 15 July 2018 00:44 (seven years ago)

(anyone who rolls their eyes at misogyny being brought up is probably not a woman and also way less self aware than they think. also when ocasio cortez and nixon get a) elected to b) powerful positions that they hold onto for awhile you can use either of them as a “society isn’t reflexively sexist” defense. warren is a way better example. smooches!)

maura, Sunday, 15 July 2018 00:57 (seven years ago)

(sorry just tired of “people” overlooking a quarter century of bullshit that sprung in part from men getting mad over a woman saying she wasn’t going to play the housewife role)

maura, Sunday, 15 July 2018 00:58 (seven years ago)

aimless otm

maura, Sunday, 15 July 2018 00:59 (seven years ago)

moving on in my self-awareless waaaay

Did anyone read the piece on the ACLU in the NYT Mag last week? I didn't realize how much larger their coffers had grown in the last 18 months.

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 July 2018 01:05 (seven years ago)

They got massive donation commitments after November 2016. There’s probably not enough lawyers to do enough work to burn as much money as they have coming in on a monthly basis.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 15 July 2018 01:10 (seven years ago)

agree with maura

Dan S, Sunday, 15 July 2018 01:17 (seven years ago)

Well they have something like 500 lawyers now compared to the DOJ's 11,000.

The writer asked their legal director right after the election if there would be any pushback against Trumpism and he forecast correctly.

xp

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 July 2018 01:18 (seven years ago)

me too! xp

sprung in part from men getting mad...

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 July 2018 01:19 (seven years ago)

lmao

The latest round of tariffs on products from China proposed by President Donald Trump could double the price of "Make America Great Again" hats inspired by his 2016 campaign slogan, according to a merchandiser who imports them.

The new tariffs announced Thursday would hit $200 billion worth of Chinese imports, especially consumer goods, including the popular hats sported by Trump supporters around the nation, according to a story first reported by the Associated Press.

maura, Sunday, 15 July 2018 02:37 (seven years ago)

There's some dickhole on twitter who will mail you a MAGA hat for free if you pay postage. I've wondered how many MAGA hats would have to be requested to bankrupt him.

Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Sunday, 15 July 2018 09:21 (seven years ago)

i have watched fox news: peter strzok is squirmy and smirky; the FBI is the enemy; vlad putin is our good friend; four people died in benghazi; collusion killed no one

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 15 July 2018 13:29 (seven years ago)

... Boris Johnson should be Prime Minister of England. Another thing about Trump, he really doesn't like female leaders does he?

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Sunday, 15 July 2018 13:35 (seven years ago)

He doesn't like anyone female.

tokyo rosemary, Sunday, 15 July 2018 14:07 (seven years ago)

Good mourning!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 15 July 2018 14:07 (seven years ago)

He doesn't like anyone female.

Hope Hicks?

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 15 July 2018 15:40 (seven years ago)

the OG told May to sue the EU

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 15 July 2018 16:08 (seven years ago)

There hasn’t been a missile or rocket fired in 9 months in North Korea, there have been no nuclear tests and we got back our hostages. Who knows how it will all turn out in the end, but why isn’t the Fake News talking about these wonderful facts? Because it is FAKE NEWS!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 15, 2018

Uh what point you tryin to make here

frogbs, Sunday, 15 July 2018 16:14 (seven years ago)

fake news iirc

j., Sunday, 15 July 2018 17:07 (seven years ago)

“Who knows how it will all turn out in the end.”

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 15 July 2018 21:01 (seven years ago)

You can be damned sure Trump doesn't know. However, Kim Jong Un and his close advisors probably have a blueprint they are following, having expended much time and energy on extensive planning and forethought. They probably have a decent guess how it turns out, because they at least know what their side will do in most situations, while Trump has no idea what they or he will do, but is just winging it.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 15 July 2018 21:42 (seven years ago)

john bolton is a terrible, terrible choice for NSA. he's a total pushover.

“I think the President will handle this as he chooses. I think he’ll put it to President Putin. He said he’s going to do that. He’ll listen to President Putin’s response, and we’ll go from there,” Bolton said, speaking generally about the planned meeting.

“I’m the national security adviser, I’m not the national security decision maker,” he added.

that's not the first time he's used that line. it's a line that's essentially a joke about how Bolton has no influence with trump. which would be cool because Bolton's a dipshit, except that the guy he's working for is an even bigger dipshit who needs more than an empty carcass with a ridiculous mustache as an advisor. and then when Bolton does speak up, it's always about starting a fucking major conflict!

Karl Malone, Sunday, 15 July 2018 21:50 (seven years ago)

“How this conversation is going to go, I think, will be determined by the two parties,” Bolton told ABC News’ Jonathan Karl Sunday morning. “We have asked, and the Russians have agreed, that it will be basically unstructured. We’re not looking for concrete deliverables here.”

imagine this pathetic request from the americans: "uh, is it ok if the meeting is 'basically unstructured'? we just want to make sure to set expectations at the right level, no concrete deliverables needed our end, ok, if that's ok with you!"

Karl Malone, Sunday, 15 July 2018 21:52 (seven years ago)

“We’re not looking for concrete deliverables.”
“Who knows how it will all turn out in the end.”

America, large and in charge. Just look at that swagger.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 15 July 2018 22:37 (seven years ago)

(I’m perfectly happy with the lack of swagger btw. Just boggling that this is playing to the same base that spent 8 years calling Obama weak any time he bothered to shave before meeting a foreign leader.)

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 15 July 2018 22:40 (seven years ago)

fauxrope, foe europe, foe. russia, dear friend of ours, attack us again in november, 2018 : )

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 15 July 2018 22:51 (seven years ago)

Wow - MSNBC put together video of every single time Trump mentioned @wikileaks during final month of the 2016 campaign.

Trump mentioned stolen emails published by WikiLeaks at least 164 times in Oct. 16, but later claimed it didn't impact a single vote 🤔 https://t.co/454ObTfkWu pic.twitter.com/VCPfx6Gktb

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) July 13, 2018

Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Sunday, 15 July 2018 23:08 (seven years ago)

Just boggling that this is playing to the same base that spent 8 years calling Obama weak any time he bothered to shave before meeting a foreign leader.

it's completely the opposite of boggling. Obama was black. AND a feckless Democrat!

El Tomboto, Sunday, 15 July 2018 23:52 (seven years ago)

Shit mang, if you think Trump isn't being tough enough on Putin, imagine what a WOMAN would do!

El Tomboto, Sunday, 15 July 2018 23:53 (seven years ago)

I guess I never tire of reminding you reasonable, mostly logical people how your mental models of "fellow citizens" completely fail when confronted with the entirely tribal us vs them mindset of our local tories

El Tomboto, Sunday, 15 July 2018 23:55 (seven years ago)

do you mean that people are underestimating right wingers’ capacity for being solipsistic jerks or

maura, Monday, 16 July 2018 00:30 (seven years ago)

I mean people keep saying stuff that strongly implies that they have a hard time comprehending the fact that wingnuts only weigh those variables that Orwell elucidated nicely in the Two Minutes Hate idea, although he sold it short by 1,438 minutes

El Tomboto, Monday, 16 July 2018 01:51 (seven years ago)

fee fi foe

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/15/politics/donald-trump-european-union-foe/index.html

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 July 2018 11:22 (seven years ago)

This was interesting and encouraging, to be filed under "nobody knows anything, but still ...":

https://www.wired.com/story/what-robert-mueller-knowsand-9-areas-hell-pursue-next/

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 July 2018 13:56 (seven years ago)

oh just shut the fuck up mailboxhead

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nunes-indictment-russians-leaves-targeting-144151822.html

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 16 July 2018 15:00 (seven years ago)

watching the live NYT feed, just before the press conference with Putin. a protester holding some sort of hand-drawn sign mentioning "Nuclear" was just discovered and escorted out. wonder if there are any more incognito protesters in attendance?

Karl Malone, Monday, 16 July 2018 15:08 (seven years ago)

Maybe it just one of Trump's cue cards? He said they were going to discuss nukes. Was there another sign that said "world cup (soccer)"?

BrianB, Monday, 16 July 2018 15:16 (seven years ago)

Mike Pence is speaking at my office shortly

Heez, Monday, 16 July 2018 15:19 (seven years ago)

good lord.

TRUMP: "Our relationship [US and Russia] has never been worse than it is right now. But that all changed - four hours ago."

Karl Malone, Monday, 16 July 2018 15:26 (seven years ago)

lmao at the first sentence

Simon H., Monday, 16 July 2018 15:27 (seven years ago)

Putin was treating his speech like he was trying to be first to sending out the minutes after a meeting so you can bank your wins; Trump is ... y'know, "fuck those Dems, I did pretty great in there, I truly believe that". It's still staggering to watch him.

stet, Monday, 16 July 2018 15:28 (seven years ago)

I think we all know, if we didn't 2/20/35 years ago, that he just doesn't give a shit.

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 July 2018 15:33 (seven years ago)

asked about his tweet this morning blaming the Russian election hacking on the failures of the United States, Trump says "we're all to blame", "both countries", etc etc, and now he's talking about how badly he beat Hillary Clinton (who he lost to by almost 3 million votes), zero collusion

Karl Malone, Monday, 16 July 2018 15:36 (seven years ago)

wow this is really embarrassing.

Heez, Monday, 16 July 2018 15:39 (seven years ago)

needless to say, if obama (or clinton or any other democrat) was saying anything like this the right wing would absolutely explode

Karl Malone, Monday, 16 July 2018 15:39 (seven years ago)

this whole thing is getting so confusing. trump is making offhand references to "the 12, the 14 - " before cutting himself off, Putin is saying "we hired american lawyers" in the middle of some excuse about how they didn't know anything. i have no idea what they're even talking about

Karl Malone, Monday, 16 July 2018 15:41 (seven years ago)

oh cool russia's gonna look into it

Heez, Monday, 16 July 2018 15:42 (seven years ago)

putin just offered to "do the interrogation" of some of the people that mueller is interested in investigating. putin says they would ask the questions and then send the answers back to the United States.

Karl Malone, Monday, 16 July 2018 15:42 (seven years ago)

Getting a strong Bob Fossil/Dixon Bainbridge vibe from Trump/Putin

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 16 July 2018 15:43 (seven years ago)

Trump looks and sounds like absolute shit right now

frogbs, Monday, 16 July 2018 15:45 (seven years ago)

you mean below his norm?

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 July 2018 15:46 (seven years ago)


President Donald Trump on Monday said both the U.S. and Russia are to “blame” for the decline in relations between the two countries, adding, “we have both made some mistakes.”

“I hold both countries responsible,” he said. “I think that the United States has been foolish. I think we have all been foolish. We should have had this dialogue a long time ago, a long time frankly before I got to office. I think we’re all to blame.”

Karl Malone, Monday, 16 July 2018 15:48 (seven years ago)

he's rambling even more than usual. brought up the electoral map (again), got it wrong (again), attacked our intel agencies and called his own country stupid. I mean I get we're all used to this stuff by now but by any measure this is absolutely insane. idk how anyone walks away from this thinking Trump isn't blatantly guilty.

frogbs, Monday, 16 July 2018 15:49 (seven years ago)

like he literally said he trusts Vlad more than his own DOJ, holy shit

frogbs, Monday, 16 July 2018 15:50 (seven years ago)

where is the server
where is the server
what is the server saying

Heez, Monday, 16 July 2018 15:51 (seven years ago)

now talking about locking her up, of course

frogbs, Monday, 16 July 2018 15:51 (seven years ago)

asked by the AP if he could denounce Russia's actions once and for all "with the world watching", Trump says:

"Where is the server? I want to know what the server is saying."

"What happened to Hillary Clinton's emails? Gone! Gone! I think in Russia they wouldn't be gone so easily."

"Putin was incredibly strong and powerful...in his denial today."

Karl Malone, Monday, 16 July 2018 15:53 (seven years ago)

oh cool russia's gonna look into it

― Heez, Monday, July 16, 2018 4:42 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Need to improve on their previous performance innit. I mean, he still lost by 3 million last time.

Stevolende, Monday, 16 July 2018 15:54 (seven years ago)

idk how anyone walks away from this thinking Trump isn't blatantly guilty.

yeah, it's some serious brainwashing shit. he's unbelievably obviously guilty. The topic of russia/collusion is the ONLY time that he ever uses an apologetic posture

Karl Malone, Monday, 16 July 2018 15:54 (seven years ago)

US POLITICS: STRONG AND POWERFUL DENIAL

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 16 July 2018 15:54 (seven years ago)

the OG didn't lose. He's president. Use other words or the Dems might "win" again.

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 July 2018 15:57 (seven years ago)

was expecting disaster but holy shit this was bad

frogbs, Monday, 16 July 2018 15:58 (seven years ago)

Can't wait for the GOP to finally rebuke Trump.

O...wate

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:03 (seven years ago)

they're doing their "strongly concerned" faces right now

frogbs, Monday, 16 July 2018 16:03 (seven years ago)

btw Putin pretty much confirmed the pee tape is real, right?

frogbs, Monday, 16 July 2018 16:03 (seven years ago)

what pee tape?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 July 2018 16:08 (seven years ago)

Who's Putin?

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:10 (seven years ago)

needless to say, if obama (or clinton or any other democrat) was saying anything like this the right wing would absolutely explode

― Karl Malone, Monday, July 16, 2018 11:39 AM (twenty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Reading this kind of thing again and thinking about ticky tack stuff that Obama got RW-talking-pointed about and what the RW actually did and then considering the last 20 months or so of the Left doing (fairly successful?) active protests, grass-roots organizing, voter registration and so on I *carrie Bradshaw voice* can’t help but wonder if this current state of our society is the actual American limit for “explosions” or “freaking out.” I don’t know if this is comforting or not; there’s not much else TO do?

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:10 (seven years ago)

where is the server
where is the server
what is the server saying

the server is saying "i'm sorry sir, we'll cook those steaks a bit more for you."

ant banks and wasp (voodoo chili), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:11 (seven years ago)

wow wtf just happened ?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:16 (seven years ago)

btw Putin pretty much confirmed the pee tape is real, right?

so did senator jeff merkley

https://www.mediaite.com/online/sen-jeff-merkley-likely-that-something-close-to-the-pee-tape-of-trump-is-real/

party of family values / personal responsibility and all that

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:17 (seven years ago)

what a disgrace

(•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:17 (seven years ago)

Who's he got to go and invade to take everybody's mind off things?

Stevolende, Monday, 16 July 2018 16:19 (seven years ago)

Florida

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:20 (seven years ago)

CNN is dreadful to watch right now. it's just about a dozen people all shaking their heads, openly in shock, asking how he could do this

Karl Malone, Monday, 16 July 2018 16:22 (seven years ago)

so who do you guys believe more, Putin or Merkley?

"Confirmation" is worth a warm bucket of... umm....

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:23 (seven years ago)

trump needs to be greeted by millions of people in the streets of every city when he gets home

Karl Malone, Monday, 16 July 2018 16:27 (seven years ago)

seriously, this shit can't wait until the midterms, get him the fuck out, now

Karl Malone, Monday, 16 July 2018 16:27 (seven years ago)

Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-OR) said he thinks it’s “likely” that “something close” to a video tape of President Donald Trump urinating on prostitutes is real.

lol we can't even keep this theory straight ourselves anymore huh

difficult listening hour, Monday, 16 July 2018 16:27 (seven years ago)

This just showed up as a paid post on my FB feed (from some rightwing media site I've never even heard of), presumably because I recently posted a link to something about Russia. The indictments have already been absorbed into the ever-expanding Obama-did-it narrative:

It is becoming clearer each day that Obama/Dems were running an elaborate scheme trying to frame GOP campaign and to setup "the insurance" via FBI and DOJ in case they lose the elections.

It was a coup attempt, plain and simple, involving foreign intelligence services. And we are still dealing with the tail end of it - Mueller witch hunt.

If this does not end in the whole bunch of them tried and punished for sedition and corruption, we are no longer a free people capable of correcting crimes at the very top.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:28 (seven years ago)

Which is, really, just the old Karl Rove play: accuse your opponents of what you know you're guilty of.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:29 (seven years ago)

Facebook is so concerned about disinformation

El Tomboto, Monday, 16 July 2018 16:30 (seven years ago)

considering the last 20 months or so of the Left doing (fairly successful?) active protests, grass-roots organizing, voter registration and so on I *carrie Bradshaw voice* can’t help but wonder if this current state of our society is the actual American limit for “explosions” or “freaking out.”

the only thing that stops people from bewilderment in the next four years is organizing right? aside from its other virtues i mean. getting some collective sense of ground under yr feet. a localized sense that you can also extrapolate in2 a broader 1. because the national infosphere is going to be endless chaos.

― difficult listening hour, Saturday, December 31, 2016 12:15 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

difficult listening hour, Monday, 16 July 2018 16:31 (seven years ago)

yeah I mean it's nice that i keep like-minded people around me GENERALLY and it's heartening to see other people that I don't know *gestures* OUT THERE who are more or less on the same page and, frankly, louder than my people. IDK looking for linings and all

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:36 (seven years ago)

like the best the RW can do is get a few hundred nazis to show up to a Carolina and all told we're making pretty quick work of them when they show their asses

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:37 (seven years ago)

As CNN reached out for reaction, a senior White House official asks: “How bad was that?”

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:39 (seven years ago)

to be honest, i'm kind of freaking out right now. cue everyone saying that this is nothing new and predicting the future and saying that nothing matters until the midterms anyway. but FUCK, that was surreal.

Karl Malone, Monday, 16 July 2018 16:41 (seven years ago)

Naw man yr reaction is reasonable

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:44 (seven years ago)

btw Putin pretty much confirmed the pee tape is real, right?

― frogbs, Monday, July 16, 2018 12:03 PM (thirty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Wait, are you for real? How? I missed this.

how's life, Monday, 16 July 2018 16:45 (seven years ago)

It's more that he acknowledged the rumors when asked and evaded the question

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:45 (seven years ago)

didn't see today's action, but still not sure i want Father Pence running for a full term in '20 and wrecking the safety net til then

re Putin's smirking on kompromat:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/emilytamkin/trump-putin-meeting?utm_term=.lwPx9RGmX#.qfOZy7oJp

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:46 (seven years ago)

bring trump down and then make the obvious case that 95%+ of the GOP has been propping him up and ignoring numerous alarm bells for YEARS now, and bring them all down too. tie the GOP's political fate to their unwaving bullshit support of trump, then set the whole fucking thing on fire

Karl Malone, Monday, 16 July 2018 16:48 (seven years ago)

see, it's easy, should take a day or two

Karl Malone, Monday, 16 July 2018 16:49 (seven years ago)

xxp putin also began his answer to a completely different question earlier in the news conference by saying, out of the blue, "After all, I was an intelligence officer myself. And I *do* know how dossiers are made up". it was a wtf moment

Dan S, Monday, 16 July 2018 16:49 (seven years ago)

that's that then – until 2 p.m.

You know how I say every time I think of stepping towards the President, he does something that causes me to step back? Exhibit A is that press conference with Putin. Geez.

— Erick Erickson (@EWErickson) July 16, 2018

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:54 (seven years ago)

Trump just did a couple interviews with US state tv

Karl Malone, Monday, 16 July 2018 16:55 (seven years ago)

Been poring over Twitter to see what kinds of defenses his base is offering. Fairly predictable- like the quote above, it's that everybody is out to "get" Trump and intelligence can't be trusted.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:58 (seven years ago)

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-putin-helsinki/h_1e89ab029ae1ac5cee99eec22137dc07

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 16 July 2018 16:58 (seven years ago)

I’m watching big think types on TV right now expressing outrage, surprise, bewilderment, anger that President Trump didn’t “hold Putin accountable.” Sometimes when you’re surprised again and again and again, it’s time to consider your assumptions. If you’re a regular reader, you know that I’m pretty cautious in my arguments, cautious on a lot of fronts. I can be aggressive in my arguments and I sometimes speak in hyperbole. But in basic judgments I’m quite cautious. Something is fundamentally wrong here. There is no reasonable explanation for the simple facts we see other than that Russia has some kind of hold over President Trump.

I know that sounds wild and I have a very hard time sometimes quite believing it myself. But it’s so overwhelmingly obvious that we need to get real with ourselves and recognize what is happening. I don’t know what the specific details are. I don’t know whether Russia has some compromising information on the President, whether they have enticed him with personal enrichment. I don’t know. But none of the standard explanations – truculence, trolling, anger over questioning the legitimacy of his election – none of them remotely add up as an explanation. In the future, when we know more details, we will have a difficult time explaining how any serious people continued to think there must be some innocent explanation.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-worst-case-scenario-has-been-obvious-for-a-while

Karl Malone, Monday, 16 July 2018 17:27 (seven years ago)

and haven't, and probably won't, watched that putin trump thing but ill admit that reports / transcripts are pushing me more towards "the pee tape* is real"

*or something. i actually wonder if putin has some kind of financial leverage over trump, and could threaten the only thing he really cares about, being rich

gbx, Monday, 16 July 2018 17:28 (seven years ago)

Putin could absolutely bankrupt his entire family overnight.

El Tomboto, Monday, 16 July 2018 17:32 (seven years ago)

(I assume. Russian oligarchs and their affiliated tentacles definitely understand money and contracts better than any of the Trumps)

El Tomboto, Monday, 16 July 2018 17:34 (seven years ago)

and his finances have always been his third rail, which imo is like telling the cops searching your house that anywhere is fine except for the cellar

gbx, Monday, 16 July 2018 17:36 (seven years ago)

i actually wonder if putin has some kind of financial leverage over trump, and could threaten the only thing he really cares about, being rich

This is the real story.

Before I dive back to work, a reminder -- there is no need for a "pee tape."

Trump was laundering Russian money for close to a DECADE. For *Putin's friends" (and occasional rivals). Putin has bank records he could release that would put the entire Trump family in jail forever.

— John Rogers (@jonrog1) July 16, 2018

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 16 July 2018 17:45 (seven years ago)

"I have nothing to do with Russia" vs "Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets"
"I will release my taxes later psyche jk no I won't ever"
it's soooooo obvious

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 16 July 2018 17:51 (seven years ago)

if he was willing to say all that in public, just imagine what was said on their one-on-one

frogbs, Monday, 16 July 2018 17:52 (seven years ago)

Ryan and Hatch doing usual "make statement obviously disagreeing with Trump without having the balls to call him out by name"

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 16 July 2018 17:53 (seven years ago)

josh marshall otm. trump's words and action in regard to putin/Russia have been so bizarrely and consistently fawning, in spite of the fact that it apparently gains him nothing but scorn and disbelief, is so strongly suggestive of a hidden motive that you have to believe such a hidden motive exists, and that it is an extremely powerful motive.

I'm more inclined to believe it is a deep involvement with Russian mafia and hundreds of millions in financial crimes than something as simple as a pee tape. He understands that, if his supporters would stay with him after Access Hollywood and an affair with a porn star just after his wife gave birth, they'd probably stay with him over a pee tape. Massive criminality would send him and many of his family members to prison and destroy his wealth.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 16 July 2018 17:53 (seven years ago)

I refuse to believe the pee tape isn't real tbh

Simon H., Monday, 16 July 2018 17:54 (seven years ago)

lookin forward to every single GOP congressman claiming they "haven't seen the press conference yet"

frogbs, Monday, 16 July 2018 17:56 (seven years ago)

What happens if massive criminality is discovered. Would he still need to be impeached before anything further could be done?
There's no way to void a Presidency is there. & an impeachment would still rely on Republicans actually wanting to lift a finger to harm him. Or would it be automatic?

Stevolende, Monday, 16 July 2018 17:57 (seven years ago)

Maybe he's denying there's a pee tape because it's actually a poop tape

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 16 July 2018 17:58 (seven years ago)

fox news angle just now was that trump "didn't give in" to russia on policy, "no concessions", unlike obama who gave away many things to russia, also it's true that hillary clinton's server

Karl Malone, Monday, 16 July 2018 17:59 (seven years ago)

They haven't "seen the pee conference yet."

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 July 2018 18:00 (seven years ago)

There's no way to void a Presidency is there. & an impeachment would still rely on Republicans actually wanting to lift a finger to harm him. Or would it be automatic?

― Stevolende,

No. Trial in the Senate after a House vote. But it's not going anywhere.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 July 2018 18:00 (seven years ago)

Yeah, no concessions, not even absolving Russia for interfering in our elections. And tbh, Hillary Clinton's emails. Anyway, there would never be a poop tape, because germs. Pee is conveniently clean.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 July 2018 18:00 (seven years ago)

If there were evidence of true serious capital C crimes, I actually do believe it would move fast, and Trump would likely resign first. What comes after that, who knows.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 July 2018 18:01 (seven years ago)

There's no way to void a Presidency is there.

Impeachment, death, voluntary resignation, or invoking the 25th amendment section 4, which provides for:

the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 16 July 2018 18:03 (seven years ago)

Well, I mean, we are in the realm of scale and exceptions. Like, if he literally shot someone on the senate floor, he would not stay president while the trial went on. He'd be out. We've just never had something extreme like that happen. At the least the last two years have underscored the weakness of the constitution and how much of our past success has been predicated on the honor system. But we have a man with no honor, so anything goes.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 July 2018 18:06 (seven years ago)

trump will never resign because he has never once acknowledged failure in public

BIG RICHARD ENERGY (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 16 July 2018 18:12 (seven years ago)

a sitting president committed crimes in office and the dude was pardoned by his predecessor. this is america, absolutely nothing will happen to these fucks.

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 16 July 2018 18:12 (seven years ago)

successor?

Stevolende, Monday, 16 July 2018 18:13 (seven years ago)

Everything that has happened before is tiddlywinks compared to what Trump is accused of. He would resign, I think, because he would be run out, like a monster. But he would never admit guilt, and he would never admit he resigned.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 July 2018 18:13 (seven years ago)

Like, Nixon's crimes are nothing compared to what is in the public record on Trump.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 July 2018 18:14 (seven years ago)

If he shot someone on the senate floor there would immediately be a significant minority hailing him as a hero for stopping a Deep State child trafficker.

JoeStork, Monday, 16 July 2018 18:15 (seven years ago)

This is end of Friday kind of news, and it's only Monday.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 July 2018 18:16 (seven years ago)

Like, Nixon's crimes are nothing compared to what is in the public record on Trump.

Enhhhhh

https://www.pri.org/stories/2017-01-03/new-evidence-indicates-nixon-himself-tried-sabotage-vietnam-war-peace-talks

Simon H., Monday, 16 July 2018 18:18 (seven years ago)

"nuclear" sign thing: writer with credentials from The Nation dragged out

https://splinternews.com/journalist-for-the-nation-forcibly-removed-from-trump-p-1827630092

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 July 2018 18:18 (seven years ago)

Nixon killed a couple extra million Vietnamese and Laotians in his conduct of the war; watch the hyperbole

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 July 2018 18:19 (seven years ago)

really let's lose the "Nixon Dubya were saints compared to" crap

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 July 2018 18:20 (seven years ago)

XP Trump still has time and nuke access tho.

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 16 July 2018 18:21 (seven years ago)

Come on, I am not playing the every day president war crimes game. Yes, they are all criminals, fine. But no president will be impeached or jailed for bombing people. Ever.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 July 2018 18:22 (seven years ago)

Nixon's crimes are nothing compared to what is in the public record on Trump.

Uh, Nixon pursued using government operatives to murder one of his critics, Jack Anderson. it only failed because they couldn't find a way to both kill him and guarantee it wouldn't be declared a murder. Nixon insisted the crime must look like a natural death or an accident.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 16 July 2018 18:22 (seven years ago)

can we not

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 16 July 2018 18:24 (seven years ago)

i think for many americans trump would be "worse" than previous presidents if only because one may at some point be able to characterize him as actually treasonous -- may not mean much to some ppl (vs the very real immorality of millions dead d/t war) but i think a president explicitly controlled by a foreign power would be a Bigger Deal, in the history books, than virtually any previous presidential scandal/misdeed

gbx, Monday, 16 July 2018 18:25 (seven years ago)

McCain: "one of the most disgraceful performances by an American president in memory"

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 16 July 2018 18:26 (seven years ago)

can the rest of the GOP get brain tumors

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 16 July 2018 18:27 (seven years ago)

Yeah, for lack of a better phrase, I think it takes crimes against America to take down a president. Something concrete and recognizable as criminal. But not a bad act (like war) conducted as a matter of policy, terrible or no. And this shithead is steeped in criminality, in a recognizable movie villain way.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 July 2018 18:29 (seven years ago)

Marco Rubio, on the other hand: "Foreign policy must be based on reality, not hyperbole or wishful thinking."

Dan S, Monday, 16 July 2018 18:31 (seven years ago)

will there be key resignations in protest, this time?

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 16 July 2018 18:32 (seven years ago)

^ good deadpan delivery on that one

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 16 July 2018 18:34 (seven years ago)

McCain: "one of the most disgraceful performances by an American president in memory"

one of? what else compares? asking for real

tobo73, Monday, 16 July 2018 18:36 (seven years ago)

Trump last week?

W holding hands with the Saudi prince?

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 July 2018 18:38 (seven years ago)

xp I thought this comment of his was slightly better: "“No prior president has ever abased himself more abjectly before a tyrant."

Dan S, Monday, 16 July 2018 18:39 (seven years ago)

That the US Director of National Intelligence, Dan Coats, issues a statement that appears to be in repudiation of his boss tells you how unprecedented Trump’s comments along side President Putin today truly were. pic.twitter.com/o5EH2PqzlD

— Paul Danahar (@pdanahar) July 16, 2018

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 16 July 2018 18:41 (seven years ago)

McCain: "one of the most disgraceful performances by an American president in memory"

one of? what else compares? asking for real

― tobo73, Monday, July 16, 2018 2:36 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqB7UEdhKug

Evan, Monday, 16 July 2018 18:41 (seven years ago)

there was also bush doing 9/11 tbf

BIG RICHARD ENERGY (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 16 July 2018 18:42 (seven years ago)

But he was never caught having extramarital sax.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 July 2018 18:47 (seven years ago)

Hey guys, just poking my head itt/the national news after a self-imposed two-week mental health reprieve, what's been happening?

Oh.

https://media.giphy.com/media/tInuiWy5wTxq8/giphy.gif

Nebraska Man Partially Devoured by George Burns Chimp-ersonator (Old Lunch), Monday, 16 July 2018 18:47 (seven years ago)

the new narrative i'm seeing on Twitter = "the press wants war with Russia!"

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 16 July 2018 18:48 (seven years ago)

probably not true, but...

I am told there is an EMERGENCY meeting of GOP Senators that was just put out via phone over Trump's betrayal of the United States on National TV.

— Pesach 'Pace' Lattin ❎ (@pacelattin) July 16, 2018

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 16 July 2018 18:49 (seven years ago)

what does that even mean?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 July 2018 18:50 (seven years ago)

almost certainly not true

gbx, Monday, 16 July 2018 18:50 (seven years ago)

no bat signal, no credibility.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 July 2018 18:51 (seven years ago)

Let's see how regular folk weigh Russian interference vs the crimes of the past

A C-SPAN caller just thanked Russia for "interfering in our elections" pic.twitter.com/wyIBSGc3S0

— jordan (@JordanUhl) July 16, 2018

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 16 July 2018 18:52 (seven years ago)

I will say that the alarm bells I am seeing online, even from usually reasonable people, is like nothing I have seen re: this administration thus far.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 July 2018 18:54 (seven years ago)

What about Charlottesville?

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 16 July 2018 18:57 (seven years ago)

Hmm.

NEW: Maria Butina, Russian who reached out to the NRA, just got indicted for acting as a Russian agent without registering. @timkmak has done great reporting on her: https://t.co/kUMpHRyBNs

— Betsy Woodruff (@woodruffbets) July 16, 2018

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 July 2018 18:57 (seven years ago)

unfortunately, for even "usually reasonable people," suggestions of treason >>>>> long-standing systemic racism in new bloom

gbx, Monday, 16 July 2018 18:58 (seven years ago)

Russian National Charged in Conspiracy to Act as an Agent of the Russian Federation Within the United States https://t.co/6No8kas6Yk

— Justice Department (@TheJusticeDept) July 16, 2018

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 July 2018 18:59 (seven years ago)

good luck chuck

Schumer says response to Trump must come from his own party to be effective: "The best people to check him are not Democrats but fellow Republicans."

— Sabrina Siddiqui (@SabrinaSiddiqui) July 16, 2018

Simon H., Monday, 16 July 2018 19:00 (seven years ago)

unfortunately, for even "usually reasonable people," suggestions of treason >>>>> long-standing systemic racism in new bloom

^

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 July 2018 19:01 (seven years ago)

This is a good level-headed discussion about the Russia investigation, what we know, what we don't know, what possible remedies exist, what likely path might Mueller follow. Does a good job of summing up the current state without a lot of hyperbole or wild speculation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAB0PgOU4ys

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 16 July 2018 19:03 (seven years ago)

A federal judge on Monday ordered the Trump administration not to deport immigrant families immediately after they have been reunited with the children the government forcibly took away.

Following a motion filed by the ACLU, Judge Dana Sabraw issued a temporary stay on immediate deportations, instead allowing recently reunified families a week to remain in the United States to pursue asylum requests.

https://splinternews.com/trump-administration-ordered-to-halt-deportations-of-re-1827632995

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 July 2018 19:06 (seven years ago)

putin just offered to "do the interrogation" of some of the people that mueller is interested in investigating. putin says they would ask the questions and then send the answers back to the United States.

tbf you have to give it to Putin for being able to troll so baldly with a straight face

Which is, really, just the old Karl Rove play: accuse your opponents of what you know you're guilty of.

This has been Trump's daily MO since at least the primaries.

kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Monday, 16 July 2018 19:13 (seven years ago)

That Butina indictment has a lot of fun in it.

Holy crap, this about the GOP/RNC too. LOL @GOP @HouseGOP pic.twitter.com/F3aoGX4h02

— Felt (@MrFelt_) July 16, 2018

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 July 2018 19:16 (seven years ago)

putin just offered to "do the interrogation" <--- that is a well-known tactic of Putin. The fact that Trump was all agog for it shows that he is either dumb as a fucking stump or completely under Putin's control. Or both obv.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 16 July 2018 19:16 (seven years ago)

Any guesses as to who Butina met with at the NRA conference in 2015? pic.twitter.com/XAgxdrXCCg

— Gabriel Malor (@gabrielmalor) July 16, 2018

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 July 2018 19:18 (seven years ago)

no, but you see, hillary clinton could have become president, and if it takes treason to keep that from happening so be it - the average trump voter right now

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Monday, 16 July 2018 19:22 (seven years ago)

Trump answering a question from Butina at something called Freedom Fest in Las Vegas in 2015

http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=4Fp1TioaLcg

how's life, Monday, 16 July 2018 19:34 (seven years ago)

McConnell, Collins, Walter JOnes, Hurd, Burr, and Cornyn have made public statements criticizing Trump's actions, directly or indirectly.

Much softer in tone than they should be, as usual (though Hurd and Jones sounded pretty pissed) - seems like they're trying the Charlottesville response strategy.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 16 July 2018 19:59 (seven years ago)

Gowdy as well

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 16 July 2018 20:00 (seven years ago)

Darrell Issa however blamed the FBI

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 16 July 2018 20:00 (seven years ago)

I love the "I wanna see the servers" stuff. Yes you cybercrime expert, here they are, tell us all what they show.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 16 July 2018 20:03 (seven years ago)

Barron will get to the bottom of it!

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 16 July 2018 20:07 (seven years ago)

Honestly really do think the news of the day is the Butina arrest.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 July 2018 20:11 (seven years ago)

The Butina arrest leads to direct, fairly predictable consequences, while Trump's wild off-the-rails public gyrations always look more consequential than they are. But in the larger scheme, she is just another flea bite on the Republicans' arses.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 16 July 2018 20:16 (seven years ago)

I wouldn't be quite so blithe with that conclusion. In much the same way that Friday's indictments lead to the obvious speculation as to who the unnamed contacts are, so too here. Obviously Trump and the GOP as an organization are all but directly named, but others including NRA bods and various Congressional sorts. Combine that with the overall timing and things are...interesting. (And I'll add this: it's known that Trump was already briefed on the Friday indictments some days beforehand. Was he briefed on this arrest beforehand as well?)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 July 2018 20:18 (seven years ago)

Aw, so sad for him.

Hannity Trashes ‘Weak, Pathetic, Visionless, Feckless, Spineless Republicans’ for Criticizing Trump pic.twitter.com/DmUcXCuIpc

— Mediaite (@Mediaite) July 16, 2018

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 July 2018 20:19 (seven years ago)

Is there a Hannity voodoo doll for purchase or will a cube of butter dipped in lint work?

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Monday, 16 July 2018 20:23 (seven years ago)

Honestly really do think the news of the day is the Butina arrest.

― Ned Raggett, Monday, July 16, 2018 8:11 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not to be a pedant but I don't think she's actually in custody.

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 16 July 2018 20:23 (seven years ago)

Then post-date to Wednesday.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 July 2018 20:24 (seven years ago)

almost like hannity might have some skin in the game or something

BIG RICHARD ENERGY (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 16 July 2018 20:25 (seven years ago)

She was arrested yesterday and appeared in a DC court today.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 16 July 2018 20:26 (seven years ago)

Also is being held without bond

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 16 July 2018 20:27 (seven years ago)

I am totally wrong re the arrest

Maria Butina, 29, was arrested Sunday in the District and made her first appearance in U.S. District Court before Magistrate Judge Deborah A. Robinson. Her attorney, Robert Neil Driscoll, told the judge that Butina’s residence was searched by the FBI in April, that she had testified before the Senate Intelligence Committee in a closed session several months ago, and that “we have been offering to cooperate with the government the entire time.”

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 16 July 2018 20:28 (seven years ago)

A fun detail:

A number of people who’ve discussed election meddling with Trump, including current senior administration officials, say his brain can’t process that collusion and cyberattacks are two different things

Oh, I'm sure it's not limited to that.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 July 2018 20:28 (seven years ago)

xpost -- probably standard boilerplate, this:

“we have been offering to cooperate with the government the entire time.”

But does make me wonder the DOJ calculation earlier was that she might muddy the waters at that point. A little mental concentration now could provide a different angle.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 July 2018 20:30 (seven years ago)

you'd think if you were a foreign national and the heat was on you'd get the fuck out of the usa

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 16 July 2018 20:34 (seven years ago)

That's kinda my whole question about this. Especially if she'd already had her home raided.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 July 2018 20:35 (seven years ago)

Lotsa pictures of her with lots of GOP assholes.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 July 2018 20:40 (seven years ago)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiQPuUjVAAUma1b.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 July 2018 20:40 (seven years ago)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiQM0OXUEAAonFP.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 July 2018 20:40 (seven years ago)

My fave zing: "Seems bad for Political party 1 and Gun Rights Organization."

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 July 2018 20:43 (seven years ago)

Considering how much the centrist press worships Sorkin-y fantasies about "putting country before party" and how eager they are to reward people who promise to do so, it's odd that no Republican at any level is expected to sacrifice any thing they want (judges) to check the WH

— alex pareene (@pareene) July 16, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 16 July 2018 20:44 (seven years ago)

I agree Butina arrest is big, not least because there will likely be a trial, or at least public revelations of evidence. People piecing together the puzzle think "person 1" in the indictment - "a United States citizen and an American political operative" - is former NRA president David Keene.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 July 2018 20:50 (seven years ago)

if the former head of the NRA gets indicted how many videos will they pump out inciting their followers to violent protest?

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 16 July 2018 20:53 (seven years ago)

A reminder of some other things around that NRA convention in 2015: https://www.npr.org/2018/03/01/590076949/depth-of-russian-politicians-cultivation-of-nra-ties-revealed.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 16 July 2018 20:54 (seven years ago)

Is Wayne LaPierre's face made out of old Cheez-Whiz or

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 July 2018 20:57 (seven years ago)

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/inside-the-decade-long-russian-campaign-to-infiltrate-the-nra-and-help-elect-trump-630054/

Digest from Reddit:

In November 2013, the president of the National Rifle Association, David Keene, was introduced as an honored guest at the conference of the Right to Bear Arms, a gun lobby in Moscow. “There are no peoples that are more alike than Americans and Russians,” Keene said. “We’re hunters. We’re shooters. We value the same kinds of things.” Keene underscored his friendship with Alexander Torshin, a top politician in the ruling party of Vladimir Putin; for the past three years, Keene said, “I’ve hosted your senator Alexander Torshin at the National Rifle Association’s annual meetings.” In words that now carry a darker connotation, Keene insisted, “We need to work together.”

...

Keene proved an easy mark. A career lobbyist who advised presidential candidates from Ronald Reagan to Mitt Romney, he was a longtime chair of the American Conservative Union, which organizes the annual CPAC convention. NRA board member Grover Norquist has praised Keene as “a conservative Forrest Gump” who’s been at “the center of all things conservative for decades.” Keene, with a sweep of white hair, owlish glasses and a patrician bearing, might move in cutthroat political circles, but friends say his personality runs against type. “He’s like a teddy bear,” says Alan Gottlieb, founder of the Second Amendment Foundation, who has known Keene for decades. “He’s not hard-edged at all. He’s a gentleman.” (Keene did not respond to multiple interview requests.)
...

As a guest of Keene, Butina joined the rituals of the Golden Ring of Freedom, even ringing the NRA’s liberty bell. “To the right to bear arms for citizens of the whole world,” she said as the bell sounded. Her first American trip, she blogged, culminated in “an experience at the Washington office of the NRA.” Standing before the group’s blue-glass headquarters, she posed for a photo with Keene.
Butina and Torshin soon began leveraging their NRA connections to gain personal access to GOP presidential contenders. Not yet a declared candidate, Trump addressed the NRA’s 2015 convention in Nashville. “We need strength,” Trump said. “We need people that are respected. Putin has no respect for our president.” Torshin has claimed he met Trump in Nashville, and that Trump ribbed him: “ So, you’re from Russia – when are you going to invade Latvia?” The Trump White House has denied this encounter took place.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 July 2018 20:59 (seven years ago)

Sad trombone etc

The White House had planned for Trump to “push Putin” at today’s presser, thinking any confrontational approach would come as a surprise and “make him look good,” one official said.

“Obviously, it didn’t happen,” the official said. @PeterWSJ https://t.co/YnWAMo4lNE

— Rebecca Ballhaus (@rebeccaballhaus) July 16, 2018

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 July 2018 21:25 (seven years ago)

the Butina stuff is a big deal but like the rest of this stuff for now and the near future it doesn't matter

(•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 16 July 2018 21:28 (seven years ago)

The feels!

President Trump must clarify his statements in Helsinki on our intelligence system and Putin. It is the most serious mistake of his presidency and must be corrected—-immediately.

— Newt Gingrich (@newtgingrich) July 16, 2018

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 July 2018 21:34 (seven years ago)

i really hate when people knowingly refer to such deliberate actions as "clarifications" and "mistakes"

Karl Malone, Monday, 16 July 2018 21:36 (seven years ago)

Trump must clarify, immediately, how little he gives a shit.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 July 2018 21:37 (seven years ago)

i really hate when people knowingly refer to Newt Gingrich as "people."

Get aboard the flappy bird, departing gate 19 (Dan Peterson), Monday, 16 July 2018 21:40 (seven years ago)

Don't worry, y'all -- Newt will clarify his own Tweet and return to obsequiously licking Trump's palms by Tucker Carlson's show.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 16 July 2018 21:41 (seven years ago)

"All my life needed was a sense of someplace to go. I don't believe that one should devote his life to morbid self-attention. I believe that someone should become a person like other people." - Newt Gingrich

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 July 2018 21:42 (seven years ago)

Good God. So this exchange just happened.

Katy Tur: What's more important then the sanctity of our elections?

Jeff Flake: Well, I got what I wanted on tariffs.

— Jason Karsh (@jkarsh) July 16, 2018

mookieproof, Monday, 16 July 2018 21:43 (seven years ago)

looooool the Trump resistance at work

Simon H., Monday, 16 July 2018 21:53 (seven years ago)

I mean that's the line now, maybe the democratic process was undermined, but we got the result we wanted, so it's all good.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 16 July 2018 22:01 (seven years ago)

that has been the line since the campaign

kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Monday, 16 July 2018 22:06 (seven years ago)

Of course, the GOP has been undermining the democratic process for years, so it's not exactly out of character. Destroying the system of open and free voting is the only thing keeping them in power.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 16 July 2018 22:07 (seven years ago)

NEW: I can confirm that the US Congressman who allegedly met with Butina and Torshin in August 2015 in Moscow was Dana Rohrabacher. pic.twitter.com/0Kw0xgDpym

— Scott Stedman (@ScottMStedman) July 16, 2018

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 16 July 2018 22:35 (seven years ago)

lol

No organ. (crüt), Monday, 16 July 2018 22:43 (seven years ago)

Rohrabacher Torshin Overdrive

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 16 July 2018 22:44 (seven years ago)

A weird kind of irony that this guy died today. He was just ahead of his time.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/john-stormer-whose-none-dare-call-it-treason-was-a-landmark-of-conspiracy-literature-dies-at-90/2018/07/16/82ddf100-8930-11e8-8aea-86e88ae760d8_story.html?utm_term=.f5ccc4b60f4d

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 16 July 2018 23:14 (seven years ago)

Hey, guess who has a comment on today.

As I said to @ABC @GStephanopoulos, “I respect our nation’s intelligence agencies who determined that Russia, had in fact, interfered or meddled in our democratic process. I repudiate Russia’s effort...and call on all Americans to do the same.”

— Michael Cohen (@MichaelCohen212) July 16, 2018

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 July 2018 23:15 (seven years ago)

a couple of unnecessary commas in there

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 16 July 2018 23:23 (seven years ago)

Lawyers are terrible writers.

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 16 July 2018 23:24 (seven years ago)

So serious!

President Trump has one item on his schedule Tuesday — what appears to be an emergency meeting with members of Congress. It wasn't on his weekly schedule released just before Putin meeting. pic.twitter.com/qcnCFiYbuL

— Gregory Korte (@gregorykorte) July 16, 2018

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 July 2018 23:30 (seven years ago)

big man finna be sleepy after that plane ride tho might want 2 postpone

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 16 July 2018 23:31 (seven years ago)

Ha I was thinking the exact same thing.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 July 2018 23:32 (seven years ago)

Oh THIS is rich. This is the actual Flight 93 essay guy.

The Republican who was going to go on @CNN @ErinBurnett, Michael Anton - who worked at th White House until recently - cancelled his appearance. He told Erin Burnett he was cancelling because he couldn’t defend Trump.

This guy is one of Trump’a biggest diehards. https://t.co/F04uMQVVo5

— Philippe Reines (@PhilippeReines) July 16, 2018

Ned Raggett, Monday, 16 July 2018 23:36 (seven years ago)

this should actually be almost interesting this week

http://aspensecurityforum.org/

El Tomboto, Monday, 16 July 2018 23:41 (seven years ago)

New GOP platform: kill moose and squirrel

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 16 July 2018 23:52 (seven years ago)

apparently no one knows what that trump meeting tomorrow at 2pm is about

Ok I now can confirm nobody in either party's leadership -- Ryan, Pelosi, McConnell, Schumer -- knows what this meeting is. Lol what. https://t.co/mYhZR6jj8I

— Jennifer Bendery (@jbendery) July 17, 2018

i mean, i guess trump assumes everyone thinks he's a treasonous piece of shit so he better have a meeting to discuss?

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 00:30 (seven years ago)

Maybe Putin gave him secret instructions to pass on to Congress

Zelda Zonk, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 00:38 (seven years ago)

red wedding

mookieproof, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 00:41 (seven years ago)

Useful thread

THREAD: What can we learn from today's charges against Russian spy Maria Butina?

— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) July 16, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 00:54 (seven years ago)

butina looks a lot like anna delvey, the grifter who took nyc by storm

butina:

http://cdn.punchng.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/16213924/Maria-Butina.jpg

delvey:

http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/fashion/daily/2018/05/21/magazine/scammer/27-anna-delvey-feature-lede.w512.h600.2x.jpg

maura, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 00:57 (seven years ago)

watching hannity because i hate myself

in case you're wondering:

- no one is surprised by russian electing meddling. devin nunes was warning about russian election meddling in 2014.
- everyone is surprised by russian election meddling - obama said it was impossible as late as oct. 2016
- "this is a total left wing conspiracy. this is a witch hunt."
- etc

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 01:06 (seven years ago)

i mean, i guess trump assumes everyone thinks he's a treasonous piece of shit so he better have a meeting to discuss?

I'm sure the QAnon folks think this is it! He's going to get them all in one place, then Mueller's going to step out from behind the curtain and arrest everyone in the room (except Trump of course).

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 01:07 (seven years ago)

Well, according to Gateway Pundit, PUTIN BLOWS APART RUSSIA COLLUSION NARRATIVE!

JoeStork, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 01:37 (seven years ago)

this got very little attention when it came out, but a Spanish organized-crime investigation got Don Jr. on tape with Torshin, and that tape is now in the hands of the Special Counsel.https://t.co/Js3c6zhKWM

— blackhat lifehacker (@Theophite) July 17, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 01:40 (seven years ago)

That’s relevant in re

“Donald Trump Jr., the president’s eldest son, did meet Mr. Torshin and Ms. Butina at an N.R.A.-sponsored dinner, although Mr. Trump’s lawyer has called the encounter brief.” https://t.co/WLm6Y2hsQZ

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) July 17, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 01:41 (seven years ago)

pic.twitter.com/gNw94QNN1b

— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) July 17, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 01:44 (seven years ago)

why wouldn't Rohrabacher and the sleaziest Trumpists love Putin? These guys would love to be full-scale kleptocrats instead of the slightly restrained ones they are.

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 01:45 (seven years ago)

however the assorted pundits who are tweeting "Putin installed Trump" et al are still mostly fucking insane

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 01:47 (seven years ago)

Getting some traction:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/07/16/putin-russia-trump-2016-pearl-harbor-219015

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 03:13 (seven years ago)

When I see it getting more traction, I'll grant your premise.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 03:26 (seven years ago)

bring on the nukes

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 03:30 (seven years ago)

randpaws: https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/16/rand-paul-trump-putin-russia-725044

barreras, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 04:09 (seven years ago)

ummm is that good to be advocating war with russia

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 04:13 (seven years ago)

I contribute nothing to this thread but do enjoy the discussion. Please, Alfred, stop posting ‘Good Mourning’ everyday. Am I missing the point? It stresses me out to read 5-10 new posts, most of which are informed discussion or worthwhile links, feeling like a stupid ‘good mourning’ post is coming up. Sorry if all feel otherwise.

Yelploaf, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 04:31 (seven years ago)

you search on it after loading all messages to find the new stuff

com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 04:43 (seven years ago)

It’s part of my morning routine. I read it, then say to myself “where are the tax returns?!”

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 04:55 (seven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRIOj4yM3uM

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 06:16 (seven years ago)

I find the good mourning message strangely reassuring

the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 06:20 (seven years ago)

Following these threads should cause feelings of stress, imo. I welcome Alfred's Good Mournings as cheery greetings that express solidarity in our trying to survive/fight/make sense of this nightmare.

Fetchboy, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 07:53 (seven years ago)

Please, Alfred, stop posting ‘Good Mourning’ everyday.
― Yelploaf, Tuesday, July 17, 2018 4:31 AM (three hours ago)

please stop saying "everyday" when you mean "every day"

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 08:02 (seven years ago)

good mourning!

BIG RICHARD ENERGY (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 08:14 (seven years ago)

goodday!

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 08:17 (seven years ago)

I like the good mournings.

Yerac, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 08:24 (seven years ago)

Alfred, have you ever done a round-up on the top 15 Megadeth songs for your blog? ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGagJervtMc

how's life, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 08:35 (seven years ago)

Alfred’s “good mourning” is the bell tolling the apocalypse, it’s essential.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 08:36 (seven years ago)

It’s part of my morning routine. I read it, then say to myself “where are the tax returns?!”

where IS the tax returns

kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 09:10 (seven years ago)

i blame csi for this

in csi (original csi and no i wont use the :lv it wasnt :lv at the time) the one truth that holds constant is that when you get your suspect face to face and you str8 up ask him did he do it if he denies he did it then he didnt do it, csi hedz actually base most of their investigation on this one trick but prolly trump has been handed on this valuable info as nominal head of csi:usa

dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 09:14 (seven years ago)

Trump's Stupid ‘Where Is the DNC Server?’ Conspiracy Theory, Explained https://t.co/JcALF6Lr8H by @Jason_Koebler

— Jon Schwarz (@schwarz) July 16, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 10:53 (seven years ago)

I contribute nothing to this thread but do enjoy the discussion. Please, Alfred, stop posting ‘Good Mourning’ everyday. Am I missing the point? It stresses me out to read 5-10 new posts, most of which are informed discussion or worthwhile links, feeling like a stupid ‘good mourning’ post is coming up. Sorry if all feel otherwise.

― Yelploaf, Tuesday, July 17, 2018 12:31 AM (six hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Save your ire for the GOP.

It's not as if that's all I post.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 11:08 (seven years ago)

keep on mourning, ALS

fan feedback always to be ignored imo it keeps u sharp

dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 11:12 (seven years ago)

I did actually look at some hashtag Q posts yesterday out of morbid curiosity and they were all beside themselves about “He mentioned the server!” and Bill Browder. Though how many of those posts are by Russians, who knows?

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 11:15 (seven years ago)

I’m convinced 99% of the tweets supporting Trump yesterday were by bots & paid trolls

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 11:23 (seven years ago)

The ones in English anyway

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 11:23 (seven years ago)

enh i think there's probably a deeply concerning number of kool-aid-drinking us citizens who are acting in effect as unpaid trolls too

BIG RICHARD ENERGY (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 11:26 (seven years ago)

When I want to gauge the Trumpites reaction, I go here - https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald+haventreadit/ (special downvotable link)

And so far they are basically still not talking about it at all.

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 11:30 (seven years ago)

good mourning!

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 11:40 (seven years ago)

The way it should be. #TreasonSummit pic.twitter.com/9VJ5RLUxQ2

— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) July 16, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 11:53 (seven years ago)

You can see, perhaps, one or two differences.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 11:55 (seven years ago)

The non-drinker Clinton looks like the alkie?

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 12:00 (seven years ago)

I've seen at least three variants of this take in the last few minutes

Opinion: Putin’s attack on the U.S. is our Pearl Harbor https://t.co/mIeOVtC1F9

— POLITICO (@politico) July 17, 2018

Simon H., Tuesday, 17 July 2018 12:14 (seven years ago)

That Perrin thing is just the dumbest kind of whataboutism. Clinton wasn’t Trump, Yeltsin wasn’t Putin, 1990s Russia was still theoretically an emerging democracy, even though anyone paying attention could see it wouldn’t last.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 12:28 (seven years ago)

She really gets around

I thought this was a photoshop, but it's not. This is Maria Butina — arrested for being a Russian spy — in the Oval Office with Trump. pic.twitter.com/rDYJYFUiwb

— Emily C. Singer (@CahnEmily) July 17, 2018

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 12:40 (seven years ago)

The sheer stupidity of these clowns is staggering.

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 12:43 (seven years ago)

With bonus, Trump demonstrating his crotch-grabbing technique. "When you're a star, they let you do it."

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 12:45 (seven years ago)

I would have thought the argument against collusion was seriously undermined by that Oval room meeting in the first place.
Shame that wasn't enough to work on since he's constantly outdone himself ever since.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 12:49 (seven years ago)

Rand Paul solution to issue...probably would work for both Russia and Mexico.

Move junk up to border till they complain. Then do it again til they complain. Then move more up to the border and the neighbor complains. Then move up to the border until they snap and tackle you off a riding mower and you can throw them in jail.

earlnash, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 12:54 (seven years ago)

there's Trump's version of the Obama situation room photo

frogbs, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 12:54 (seven years ago)

That Politico article is really something, and it's worth pointing out the biographies of those who wrote it:

Lt. Gen. Mark Hertling (ret) (@MarkHertling) is the former commanding general of U.S. Army Europe and Seventh Army. During his 37 years in the U.S. Army, he also commanded the 1st Armored Division in northern Iraq as part of the surge.
Molly K. McKew (@MollyMcKew) advises governments and political parties on foreign policy and strategic communications. She is a registered agent for Georgian President Saakachvili’s government, which she advised from 2009-2013, and for former Moldovan Prime Minister Filat, who has been in prison since 2015.

However, those on the left who don't want this attack by Russia to escalate into something worse should probably have chosen a better response than first actively helping the attack, and then denying that the attack even took place until it became embarrassing. No credibility there anymore.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 12:54 (seven years ago)

btw nice to see the rest of the world waking up to what has been incredibly obvious for the last 2 years

frogbs, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 12:55 (seven years ago)

What?

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 12:57 (seven years ago)

However, those on the left who don't want this attack by Russia to escalate into something worse should probably have chosen a better response than first actively helping the attack, and then denying that the attack even took place until it became embarrassing.

whomst is meant to have "helped," what constitutes helping

Simon H., Tuesday, 17 July 2018 12:58 (seven years ago)

(not sure if it reads that way but I'm earnestly asking)

Simon H., Tuesday, 17 July 2018 13:03 (seven years ago)

When I want to gauge the Trumpites reaction, I go here - https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald+haventreadit/ (special downvotable link)

And so far they are basically still not talking about it at all.

― mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, July 17, 2018

this is why I feel comfortable standing by my "all this shit is bot & paid-for" position, all the places with actual moderation functions (i.e. not twitter, not facebook) are remarkably quiet on the pro-trump front

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 13:08 (seven years ago)

Fred wtf are you talking about

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 13:10 (seven years ago)

Well, The Intercept for one. There is reporting news, and then there's peddling conspiracies based on information gotten directly from foreign agents. Or like this article in PasteMagazine: If the Russians are Really Meddling in Our Election via Wikileaks, Can They Please Keep It Up?

Frederik B, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 13:15 (seven years ago)

the # of people on the left who just absolutely do not give a shit about any of this is like 100000% the number who did anything like that, come on

Simon H., Tuesday, 17 July 2018 13:18 (seven years ago)

lmao @ this Russian spy woman having pictures with like every major GOP politician, good job folks

frogbs, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 13:18 (seven years ago)

There's no denying that large swathes of the left got this catastrophically wrong. Leak/whistleblower culture has for a long time been accused of being anti-American, and a front for foreign agents, and then when it in fact was true, way too many actors were completely incapable of telling the difference. It's also a disaster for anyone trying to work for transparency and using leaks to attack entrenched powers.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 13:20 (seven years ago)

the # of people on the left who just absolutely do not give a shit about any of this is like 100000% the number who did anything like that, come on

― Simon H., 17. juli 2018 15:18 (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Not giving a shit about this is also getting it very, very wrong. And dude, I was there, I remember how many stories were written, they were written because they were read.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 13:21 (seven years ago)

Fred has never let the opportunity for a good old whinge about The Left pass him by and never will. Mr Reliable.

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 13:23 (seven years ago)

Not giving a shit about this is also getting it very, very wrong

nah not giving a shit is still very defensible

Simon H., Tuesday, 17 July 2018 13:24 (seven years ago)

Not giving a shit about authoritarians interfering to help elect other authoritarians is like not giving a shit about voter suppression. Completely indefensible for anyone on the left.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 13:25 (seven years ago)

Authoritarians helping authoritarians?! In other news, water is wet

Simon H., Tuesday, 17 July 2018 13:26 (seven years ago)

Dude

Frederik B, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 13:26 (seven years ago)

Without concentrated working class power, nothing we think about this matters.

Simon H., Tuesday, 17 July 2018 13:27 (seven years ago)

Christ almighty

Frederik B, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 13:27 (seven years ago)

both of you fuck off please

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 13:28 (seven years ago)

will do

Simon H., Tuesday, 17 July 2018 13:29 (seven years ago)

let it not be said that it didnt bring us great entertainment, before the end.

dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 13:29 (seven years ago)

Mooch strongly criticized Trump this morning...lol

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 13:29 (seven years ago)

That Perrin thing is just the dumbest kind of whataboutism

And now you know why Morbius loves him so.

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 13:31 (seven years ago)

Posts flagged for foreign interference in US politics thread.

Gregory Horsemelt (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 13:31 (seven years ago)

well.....if us politics didnt interfere with all the other threads we'd still have an ilx to go to so..

dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 13:35 (seven years ago)

lol "large swaths"

This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 13:36 (seven years ago)

Turns out that oval office pic wasn't entirely legit. It's a real photo, but the woman is not Butina.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 13:43 (seven years ago)

is this Dennis Perrin?
I've spent so much time reading his deep thoughts it never occurred to me that he was a bad stand up comic

https://youtu.be/Mgof5amD2PA

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 13:59 (seven years ago)

there is another Dennis Perrin that does mass produced impressionist art

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 14:00 (seven years ago)

for what it's worth when I want to gauge trumpites' reaction red feed blue feed is still running

http://graphics.wsj.com/blue-feed-red-feed/#/president-trump

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 14:04 (seven years ago)

we didn't have a democracy to hack, fuckos

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 14:12 (seven years ago)

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FgaPfF9wPI3Pa0%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1

BIG RICHARD ENERGY (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 14:14 (seven years ago)

You can see, perhaps, one or two differences.

True nuff, Clinton didn't need Yeltsin's help, BUT...

https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-meddling-in-1996-russian-elections-in-support-of-boris-yeltsin/5568288

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 14:19 (seven years ago)

we didn't have a democracy to hack, fuckos

― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), 17. juli 2018 16:12 (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You can see, perhaps, one or two differences.

True nuff, Clinton didn't need Yeltsin's help, BUT...

https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-meddling-in-1996-russian-elections-in-support-of-boris-yeltsin/5568288

― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), 17. juli 2018 16:19 (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Sorry, I'll fuck off, but this is the best one-two ever.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 14:21 (seven years ago)

Why do certain leftist utterances have such a heady bouquet of nihilistic MAGA CHUD-ery of late?

Gregory Horsemelt (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 14:41 (seven years ago)

because it's the same "own the libs" smarminess driving them

I especially appreciated this DO YOU SEE turd that splinter published yesterday: https://splinternews.com/everyone-is-losing-their-goddamn-minds-right-now-1827635703

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 14:44 (seven years ago)

Dems soundin' like General Ripper

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 14:45 (seven years ago)

It’s worth scrutinizing what people are really mad about when they tweet things like this. Are they most mad that Trump is siding against the American national intelligence community, which has a bloody legacy of influencing elections abroad when it suits its own interests and trampling its own citizens’ civil liberties? Are they angry that Trump continually refuses to admit black and white truth staring him in the face, which would give Clinton even a second of solace? Or are they most inflamed at the notion that the international order is shifting away from a place where American might comes first and must be deferred to in all matters of war, peace, and beyond around the world? Just some thoughts to ponder.

also, I am 19 years old and have you ever thought about etc.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 14:46 (seven years ago)

But Putin didn’t single-handedly elect Trump over Clinton.

this is bizarre English, as if Vlad waited in line in Dubuque.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 14:47 (seven years ago)

once again "my politics signify ADULTHOOD" is so fuckin' evergreen

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 14:48 (seven years ago)

Morbius, your political attitudes remind me of the enteric nervous system. Did you know that even when severed from the rest of the nervous system, it can continue to function? It's fully autonomous; they even call it a "second brain." Oh, and its entire job is to take food that's been swallowed and turn it into shit.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 14:49 (seven years ago)

We fill up our guts, then we turn it into shit, then we get rid of it
We fill up our guts, then we turn it into shit, then we get rid of it
Turn it into shit
We get rid of it

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 14:53 (seven years ago)

i'm confused, is hillary clinton president

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 14:54 (seven years ago)

We have no President

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 14:55 (seven years ago)

donald trump is president* fwiu. he told vlad the enabler behind closed doors in helsinki who our russian spies are that exposed the names of fancy bear and cozy bear, i am willing to bet 911 red maga hats

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 14:56 (seven years ago)

lol that would have required him to pay attention during a briefing

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 14:59 (seven years ago)

trump does have previous form in discussing classified us intelligence tbf tho

BIG RICHARD ENERGY (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 15:01 (seven years ago)

with the russians, that is

BIG RICHARD ENERGY (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 15:02 (seven years ago)

Dems soundin' like General Ripper

― the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, July 17, 2018 10:45 AM (twenty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Liberal hero and All American Patriot Gen. Jack Ripper understood the Russian threat before any of us. And what did the President do? Consorted with the enemy and drove Ripper to suicide. Pearl Harbor all over again. pic.twitter.com/FjDK3eYSJx

— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) July 17, 2018

If you're gonna just post Perrin tweets, Morbs...

Anyway, wonder what Putin has on him?

how's life, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 15:15 (seven years ago)

i'll ask him at the next meeting

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 15:17 (seven years ago)

i'm glad you've all found your inner right-wing goon, mazel tov. seeya at McCain's funeral!

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 15:18 (seven years ago)

Oh, that reminds me.

how's life, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 15:19 (seven years ago)

You're being exceptionally dumb this morning, Morbs.

Gregory Horsemelt (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 15:20 (seven years ago)

It’s worth scrutinizing what people are really mad about

I am not personally that emotionally invested in the sanctity of our institutions or the professional integrity of our intelligence services. Personally I'm just really mad that Trump is president. His politics suck, and the politics of those he brings with him are hateful and harmful. They mostly suck for the disadvantaged (poor, black, brown, queer, female, disabled, ill, refugee, immigrant). Therefore, I want him to suffer humiliation and defeat, and I want that strain of politics discredited and driven from power.

The Russia stuff is bad enough as far as it goes, but it is made way worse because it has been used as a means to an evil end.

As a consequence, I too am willing to see it mainly as a means to an end: hopefully, fatally discrediting that individual and that strain of politics.

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 15:21 (seven years ago)

"Personally I'm just really mad that Trump is president. His politics suck, and the politics of those he brings with him are hateful and harmful. They mostly suck for the disadvantaged (poor, black, brown, queer, female, disabled, ill, refugee, immigrant). Therefore, I want him to suffer humiliation and defeat, and I want that strain of politics discredited and driven from power."

yes. and also it's hard to not see russia's increased incursion into america's affairs as an accelerant for ever-worse policies toward the marginalized.

maura, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 15:33 (seven years ago)

Goes deeper than politics for me: I need DT to suffer some consequences after a lifetime of being a lying, cheating, hate-filled scumbag asshole. Not only has he not faced real consequences, he has been rewarded to an extreme degree. Being jailed and/or completely shunned from society would restore a liiiil faith in society.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 15:36 (seven years ago)

Why are voting machine vendors lying all the time? https://t.co/iw3iIYkCMr

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) July 17, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 15:43 (seven years ago)

for me, the 2016 election and everything that's happened since has coincided with depression, moving cities, changing my job and not really getting a new one, failing at various things, screaming at family about trump and the detached aftermath, and so much more. he's not everything that's wrong in the world but he's definitely the big oozing piece of shit villain at the center of my pathetic movie

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 15:44 (seven years ago)

feel like we've been living the end of empire strikes back for years now, and all i want to do is be at the medal ceremony at the end of return of the jedi, hanging out with ewoks. that's a star trek reference

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 15:45 (seven years ago)

have no idea where the time travelers who were supposed to save us got to

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 15:47 (seven years ago)

xp ...yeah and so the "lol @ libs in suddenly loving the FBI and hating Russia shocka" stuff is tiresome and boring

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 15:49 (seven years ago)

anyway, xp, a lot, the general sense I get is that the t_d crowd thinks that this is nothing and not worth talking about

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 15:54 (seven years ago)

JUST IN: Rod Rosenstein was summoned to the WH today, four days after he indicted 12 Russian Intelligence Officers. He was seen leaving the WH at 11:28AM. Unclear if he met with President Trump, who is still in the residence and hasn't showed up in the West Wing this morning.

— HansNichols (@HansNichols) July 17, 2018

kinda seems like something might be happening

frogbs, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 16:00 (seven years ago)

Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein was summoned to the @WhiteHouse this morning, reports @NBCNews.

— Steve Herman (@W7VOA) July 17, 2018

seems cool haha xp

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 16:02 (seven years ago)

fired before mark meadows could impeach him?

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 16:08 (seven years ago)

smart idea to fire him one day after bowing down to putin and hours before meeting with furious congresspeople

ant banks and wasp (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 16:23 (seven years ago)

the fox news voters who put the furious congresspeople in office in the first place believe every 2scoops' tweet, so they better be careful!

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 16:35 (seven years ago)

this seems fine

Michael Scheuer, the former senior CIA official and NYT bestselling author of Imperial Hubris, is calling for Trump supporters to kill Trump opponents https://t.co/lH81xBoKqX pic.twitter.com/Hh0IM2HHtN

— Brandon Friedman (@BFriedmanDC) July 16, 2018

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 16:38 (seven years ago)

Jfc

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 16:50 (seven years ago)

This will clear it all up.

Pres Trump to make remarks on his summit with Putin at the start of his meeting with members of Congress at 2pm/ET. WH allowing press coverage.

— Mark Knoller (@markknoller) July 17, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 16:54 (seven years ago)

i think "the WH" is currently playing William Holden to DJT's Peter Finch

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 17:01 (seven years ago)

my movie references signal ADULTHOOD lol

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 17:21 (seven years ago)

Yes of course

Not sure the WH will love this... but Bannon is trying to rally friends around Trump's engagement of Putin today, working through his network to counter mainstream GOP criticism...

— Robert Costa (@costareports) July 17, 2018

When asked for a response, Bannon texts that Trump working with Russia is a means of boxing out China. "POTUS has his own negotiating style. Look how he has put China on its back foot." Adds Trump rejects FP view of "elites in our country"

— Robert Costa (@costareports) July 17, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 17:41 (seven years ago)

so he's just gonna slightly rephrase what he said and all the GOP congressmen will be cool with it

frogbs, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 17:42 (seven years ago)

Everything is happy again!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 17:44 (seven years ago)

Steve Bannon: global strategist. Apparently we are to believe that, in spite of Putin having no effective influence over China (or the rest of east Asia) that can be detected without the aid of powerful mind-altering drugs, our cozying up to him will "box China out"?

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 17:49 (seven years ago)

A pleasant luncheon.

Sen Burr leaves GOP Policy luncheon, says Russia/Putin-Trump Summit didn’t come up.

Asked why not, considering how many republicans came out against Trump’s comments yesterday, Burr said, “I don’t know, you’d have to ask them, I was just there eating...”

— Frank Thorp V (@frankthorp) July 17, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 17:58 (seven years ago)

we need to ally ourselves even further with the mighty russian federation, the 30th biggest economy in the world. hopefully we can trade mr. putin mr. browder and mr. strzok for ms. butina in order to get back in the kremlin's good gracces

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 17:59 (seven years ago)

bet the chicken salad was tasty!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 18:00 (seven years ago)

not as tasty as Trump's word salad yesterday

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 18:00 (seven years ago)

Needed more dressing.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 18:03 (seven years ago)

still thinking about "and now the ball's in your court"

frogbs, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 18:37 (seven years ago)

BREAKING: Trump says 'I accept' US intelligence agencies conclusions on Russian meddling.

— AP Politics (@AP_Politics) July 17, 2018

whew, that's a load off

frogbs, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 18:39 (seven years ago)

what a flipflopper!

speaking of balls and related organs (nsfw?)

https://viewing.nyc/wall-street-bull-decorated-overnight-with-shirtless-putin-and-rainbow-dildos/

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 18:40 (seven years ago)

Haha but wait

Fox anchor begins reading what she says is Trump's statement that he accepts the intel community's finding about Russia - then stumbles, with evident frustration, when she gets to the part where he apparently said it could "also" have been non-Russia countries.

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) July 17, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 18:42 (seven years ago)

You do that

MORE: Trump says he meant to say in Helsinki that he saw no reason why it would not be Russia that interfered in elections

— Reuters Politics (@ReutersPolitics) July 17, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 18:43 (seven years ago)

Pfft.

Trump: "I accept our intelligence community's conclusion that Russia's meddling in the 2016 election took place. Could be other people also. A lot of people out there."

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) July 17, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 18:47 (seven years ago)

Just imagine how you might respond if this were a person you had to deal with directly in your daily existence, and marvel at the fact that no one has ever beaten him into a coma over the past seventy-plus years.

Gregory Horsemelt (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 18:54 (seven years ago)

wow he just fake news'd his own statements from yesterday, how novel

frogbs, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 18:55 (seven years ago)

Oh no worries, he'll walk it back tomorrow.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 18:57 (seven years ago)

For fun!

Trump: "In a key sentence in my remarks, I said the word would instead of wouldn't. The sentence should have been...'I don't see any reason why it WOULDN'T be Russia.' Sort of a double negative. So you can put that in, and I think that probably clarifies things."

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) July 17, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 18:58 (seven years ago)

actually I said Obama wasn't not born in the United States, I can see why you were confused

frogbs, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 18:59 (seven years ago)

(checks calendar) ok, so tomorrow he's scheduled to point out the very fine Russian hackers

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 18:59 (seven years ago)

Trump: "In a key sentence in my remarks, I said the word would instead of wouldn't. The sentence should have been...'I don't see any reason why it WOULDN'T be Russia.' Sort of a double negative. So you can put that in, and I think that probably clarifies things."

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) July 17, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 19:00 (seven years ago)

Whoops sorry, meant this

In summary: 1) Trump is attempting one of the most implausible political clarifications in recent American history. 2) Midway through the ludicrous clarification, Trump reiterated much of the original point he was theoretically clarifying.

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) July 17, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 19:00 (seven years ago)

I've never even met someone as dumb as this guy

albvivertine, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 19:06 (seven years ago)

how about people who believe him

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 19:09 (seven years ago)

Video:

Trump's statement continued for several minutes - at length, he discussed things he says he talked about with Putin. He concluded by repeating his "respect" for U.S. intelligence, "headed by MY people...tremendous people, tremendous talent." https://t.co/gRZt5z0ctw

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) July 17, 2018

The statement starts at about the 15-minute mark.

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 19:09 (seven years ago)

Worth watching the video of him trying to push this

LOL grammar purist, Trump was felled in Trump/Putin presser by reluctance to construct a sentence with a double negative. (this is must see) pic.twitter.com/U6Oy3rf6Xq

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) July 17, 2018

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 19:09 (seven years ago)

"I don't see why it wouldn't be Russia", he says he meant to say, shortly after claiming that it easily could have been someone else

frogbs, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 19:10 (seven years ago)

I've never even met someone as dumb as this guy

― albvivertine, Tuesday, July 17, 2018 12:06 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

how about people who believe him

― Karl Malone, Tuesday, July 17, 2018 12:09 PM (thirty-eight seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/x0ow4X8tiMI/hqdefault.jpg

Thank you good night.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 19:11 (seven years ago)

The concern trolling about liberals claiming "treason" when it might not legally be treason is the most ridiculous thing I've seen today.

Like if that's the thing that causes a tectonic shift among undecided voters in the mid-terms, we have bigger problems.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 19:11 (seven years ago)

Hello.

Breaking via @TheTerminal:

*MUELLER ASKS MANAFORT JUDGE TO GIVE IMMUNITY TO FIVE WITNESSES#TicTocNews

— David S. Joachim (@davidjoachim) July 17, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 19:13 (seven years ago)

"I think that probably clarifies things pretty good by itself" for next thread title

This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 19:20 (seven years ago)

Trump lines are the funniest things I've read all day, alas

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 19:24 (seven years ago)

xpost Huh. Why would they get immunity vs. flip/plea/cooperate? Like, who is so important they would get immunity rather than get charged and then pressured to flip?

Listened to Marcy Wheeler on Pod Save America (who I have no problem with), and she (who of course recently went to the FBI as a witness) thinks the way this will wrap up, or the places it ends up leading, will be surprising/shocking on several fronts. She was mum, of course, on specifics, but the one thing she stresses at minimum as something likely to develop more is Seychelles/Erik Prince stuff, and what she called "garden-variety money laundering," and also likely pretty clear quid pro quo from Russia to Trump, with them offering help with his election in return for easing of sanctions, plus a few things re: Syria and possibly a Trump Tower thrown in for good measure.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 19:26 (seven years ago)

FWIW, she referred back to this post from May, 3 million years ago:

https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/05/02/the-mueller-questions-map-out-cultivation-a-quid-pro-quo-and-a-cover-up-part-one-cultivation/

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 19:27 (seven years ago)

fuck me, i thought “it depends what the meaning of ‘is’ is” was bad but as ever trump has reached a new low

BIG RICHARD ENERGY (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 19:30 (seven years ago)

The full transcript is amazing, contextually a “wouldn’t” makes no sense

TRUMP: So let me just say that we have two thoughts. You have groups that are wondering why the FBI never took the server. Why haven't they taken the server? Why was the FBI told to leave the office of the Democratic National Committee? I've been wondering that. I've been asking that for months and months, and I've been tweeting it out and calling it out on social media. Where is the server? I want to know, where is the server? And what is the server saying?

With that being said, all I can do is ask the question. My people came to me -- Dan Coats came to me and some others -- they said they think it's Russia. I have President Putin; he just said it's not Russia.

I will say this: I don't see any reason why it would be, but I really do want to see the server. But I have -- I have confidence in both parties. I really believe that this will probably go on for a while, but I don't think it can go on without finding out what happened to the server. What happened to the servers of the Pakistani gentleman that worked on the DNC? Where are those servers? They're missing. Where are they? What happened to Hillary Clinton's emails? Thirty-three thousand emails gone -- just gone. I think, in Russia, they wouldn't be gone so easily. I think it's a disgrace that we can't get Hillary Clinton's 33,000 emails.

So I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but I will tell you that President Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today. And what he did is an incredible offer; he offered to have the people working on the case come and work with their investigators with respect to the 12 people. I think that's an incredible offer. Okay? Thank you.

omar little, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 19:32 (seven years ago)

Bad feeling that this will be John Oliver's next "We got him! We finally got him!" balloons and streamers event.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 19:34 (seven years ago)

And what is the server saying?

(consults sounds for preschoolers) beep boop

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 19:41 (seven years ago)

I really, really want Trump to give us his understanding of what a server is.

Gregory Horsemelt (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 19:44 (seven years ago)

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-missing-dnc-server-is-neither-missing-nor-a-server

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 19:45 (seven years ago)

Trump was reading for a typewritten script during his "clarification" moment but he made some handwritten additions, including: "THERE WAS NO COLLUSION" pic.twitter.com/0IfleZm8yJ

— Kevin Liptak (@Kevinliptakcnn) July 17, 2018

In case he forgot? https://t.co/phtsd96jlU

— Aaron Blake (@AaronBlake) July 17, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 19:45 (seven years ago)

LOL

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 19:46 (seven years ago)

kinda want a tat that says NO COLLUSION

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 19:48 (seven years ago)

I would also like to hear Trump's definition of 'collusion'.

I basically just want him to explain a whole lot of basic words and concepts in order to more fully expose the tangled mass of charred wiring in his brainpan.

Gregory Horsemelt (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 19:51 (seven years ago)

xpost Sing it to the tune of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9PqHUTGIZo

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 19:53 (seven years ago)

kinda want a tat that says NO COLLUSION

Make sure to spell it with one L, like he does.

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 19:53 (seven years ago)

jesus christ is there only one ‘l’ in that handwritten ‘collusion’

BIG RICHARD ENERGY (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 19:53 (seven years ago)

great minds!

BIG RICHARD ENERGY (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 19:53 (seven years ago)

OL You realize his answer would be either "It's awful what they're doing" or "Many people are saying we need to stop this"

Evan, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 19:56 (seven years ago)

will all this prevent the Kavanaugh confirmation?

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 19:56 (seven years ago)

lol no

BIG RICHARD ENERGY (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 19:58 (seven years ago)

i know this is way outta left field and a pipe dream but i can't help but wonder if BK would ever be like 'i just can't go forward with being known as a trump appointee,' esp since we all know what a great, wholesome Christian he is.

tobo73, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 20:00 (seven years ago)

listening to rep markwayne mullin (R-oklahoma) on the radio, and he's as bad as his name. he defends trump on the grounds that the question asked by the reporter ("would you now, with the whole world watching, tell President Putin, would you denounce what happened in 2016 and would you warn him to never do it again?") was unfair and unethical, and a Gotcha question. there was nothing trump could say, it wasn't fair to ask him that right after a diplomatic meeting, reagan did this kind of thing all the time.

mullin repeated a version of that several different times, so that appears to be one strategy for republicans to avoid criticizing trump on this

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 20:02 (seven years ago)

Anyway

NEW: The Special Counsel's Office notifies the court that they will seek immunity for up to 5 people to testify under conditions of immunity in the upcoming trial against Paul Manafort in Virginia.

They say these people have not been publicly named before in the case.

— Tom Winter (@Tom_Winter) July 17, 2018

Here's the full story: https://t.co/sX9wqp9Y2T

— Tom Winter (@Tom_Winter) July 17, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 20:05 (seven years ago)

Immunity for five people not yet named, but names sealed, to prevent harassment (or whatever word they used). And yet a concession that if or when they testify, of course there will be no more anonymity. Which means this trial, which is fast approaching, may very well feature several Special Guest Stars.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 20:11 (seven years ago)

a casting agents dream

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 20:12 (seven years ago)

seems like the judge could deny the request. iirc the judge was pissed a few weeks ago because he (she?) thought Mueller was going way over the top to get Manafort to flip on Trump.

tobo73, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 20:13 (seven years ago)

Yeah, but then as predicted she went with Mueller over Manafort.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 20:15 (seven years ago)

I would too as a betting man

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 20:23 (seven years ago)

But the plutonium

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 20:29 (seven years ago)

Asked on Fox News whether he buys Trump's "wouldn't" revision, Sen. Rob Portman says he takes the president at his word.

— ErikWemple (@ErikWemple) July 17, 2018

'lol'

mookieproof, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 20:29 (seven years ago)

Surprise witnesses - each more surprising than the last!

This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 20:29 (seven years ago)

your honor, what I meant to write was "if it's what you say, I *don't* love it"

frogbs, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 20:30 (seven years ago)

so I've had actual work today, did anyone ever say what exactly happend with rosenstein

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 20:31 (seven years ago)

i didn't not have sexual relations with that woman

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 20:32 (seven years ago)

replaced with a pod person iirc xp

BIG RICHARD ENERGY (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 20:32 (seven years ago)

This reminds me of the time when a dude at a webzine I wrote for meant to write "self-deprecating" and instead wrote "self-defecating" and the other writers stated that this was clearly a Trainspotting reference and intentional

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 20:33 (seven years ago)

Did he not not not not not not note get fired?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 20:33 (seven years ago)

Rosenstein was fired except that ge wasn't

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 20:35 (seven years ago)

Rick Santorum will take his place

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 20:37 (seven years ago)

so I've had actual work today, did anyone ever say what exactly happend with rosenstein

Probably some standard meeting. He does them regularly over there.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 20:38 (seven years ago)

Perspective cropped version: pic.twitter.com/tza6ySew1L

— Howlin' Fantods (@HowlinFantods) July 17, 2018

1) the fact that he had to write NO COLLUSION is yet another sign of how hard his brain is sundowning right now, it's literally the only thing he says when this subject is brought up

2) lol @ what he had to cross out

frogbs, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 20:46 (seven years ago)

xpost

lol, i was just about to post that.

holy shit, this is getting dumber and dumber

the fact that he had to write NO COLLUSION

even worse - he wrote "NO COLUSION"

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 20:47 (seven years ago)

this is the actual shot:

the fact that he had to write NO COLLUSION

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 20:48 (seven years ago)

goddammit, wrong clipboard text

The President wrote in sharpie “THERE WAS NO COLUSION” during a meeting with congressional members. pic.twitter.com/dYk88Ot9h8

— Tom Brenner (@tom__brenner) July 17, 2018

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 20:48 (seven years ago)

it's not true that I'm never not a crook

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 20:49 (seven years ago)

also a master of improv

WATCH: Lights in White House go out as Pres. Trump says he has "full faith and support for America's intelligence agencies."

"Oops, they just turned off the light. That must be the intelligence agencies...that was strange, but that's OK" https://t.co/orvRaC1JwW pic.twitter.com/mUfLSAilNW

— ABC News Politics (@ABCPolitics) July 17, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 20:50 (seven years ago)

lmao

This is like when Vanilla Ice tried to explain the Ice Ice Baby bassline https://t.co/EdwfWlB1PI

— Phelps (@JPh3lps) July 17, 2018

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 20:56 (seven years ago)

sad but true

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 20:57 (seven years ago)

august thread is "no colusion" right

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 21:02 (seven years ago)

US Politics, August 2018: This is like when Vanilla Ice tried to explain the Ice Ice Baby bassline

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 21:05 (seven years ago)

rolin in his 5.0

maura, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 21:07 (seven years ago)

cookin' IC like a pound of bacon

kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 21:37 (seven years ago)

Looking forward to an eight-year old telling me next September that "Could be other students, also--a lot of students out there.”

clemenza, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 21:40 (seven years ago)

y'all remember how McCarthy admitted in a closed-door meeting that all the GOP knew Trump was in the pocket of Russia and how it was leaked and now no one really cares

frogbs, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 21:58 (seven years ago)

Bad feeling that this will be John Oliver's next "We got him! We finally got him!" balloons and streamers event.

― the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Tuesday, July 17, 2018 8:34 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think I saw his website saying he's not back until the 29th this morning, so who knows what will have overtaken this by that time. Almost a full 2 weeks away from now, lots of time for trump to stick his foot iun his mouth and root around umpteen times and nobody do anything about it. Do hope I'm wrong on that last bit.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 22:07 (seven years ago)

I find this hard to believe

SCOOP: Trump himself gave the go-ahead to Rosenstein to announce Russian indictments before his Putin summit in hopes it would strengthen his hand, via @JenniferJJacobs @cstrohm https://t.co/ucH1m5QwJQ

— Joshua Green (@JoshuaGreen) July 17, 2018

dude has worms in his brain

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 22:32 (seven years ago)

It's Monday morning quarterbacking at best.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 22:36 (seven years ago)

Why is he still there again?

Per 3 sources, Kelly privately lobbied congressional Republicans to rebuke Trump publicly for Putin presser, my latest:https://t.co/mH1ZnMksac

— Gabriel Sherman (@gabrielsherman) July 17, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 22:47 (seven years ago)

Plus

Scoop: Trump was dug in against the criticism of his remarks at Putin’s side, but two people he trusts and listens to urged him to do statement to clarify his stances:

Pompeo and Pence.

Trump still strayed from the prepared statement, though.https://t.co/7njTjkigrQ

— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) July 17, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 22:52 (seven years ago)

While National Security Adviser John Bolton, according to a source, thought Trump’s remarks were ill-advised, he believed that walking them back would only add fuel to the outrage pyre and make the president look weak.

should be noted that john bolton is in fact one of trump's top ADVISERS

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 23:03 (seven years ago)

Chief of staff John Kelly accidentally turned the lights off today as POTUS was clarifying his Helsinki comments in the Cabinet Room, and WaPo photog Jabin Botsford took this shot. https://t.co/xYoLzdk99q pic.twitter.com/O8iEFahqAA

— Dan Zak (@MrDanZak) July 17, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 23:07 (seven years ago)

arguably the coolest thing he's done in office, very metal

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 23:08 (seven years ago)

is that the bat signal? or the batshit signal?

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 23:08 (seven years ago)

Best photo since that fucking mystery orb in saudi or wherever

Hunt3r, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 23:17 (seven years ago)

the best winged demon

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 23:18 (seven years ago)

when he said something like "You can put that in there" (would/wouldn't) it sounded like he was trying to change his answer on a test at that military school he was exiled to.

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 23:19 (seven years ago)

*trump stands, unfurls, flies away*

“damn morbs, you were spot on....”
xp

Hunt3r, Tuesday, 17 July 2018 23:21 (seven years ago)

i think Bolton's advice henceforth will be to preface everything with "My people told me not to say this"

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 July 2018 23:22 (seven years ago)

I pretty much think about the fact that Bolton is there everyday.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 00:22 (seven years ago)

that shot is extremely hollow knight

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 00:49 (seven years ago)

jesus christ the centrist twitter trolls are going after people who are talking about how a joe lieberman endorsement is really the death knell of crowley’s legacy

how completely fucking ignorant do you have to be of politics to side with joe lieberman?

i’m sorry, lieberman is one of the few people who can make me genuinely angry as opposed to irritated

mh, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 01:50 (seven years ago)

Has there been a single person defending Lieberman? Crowley himself pretty much said his campaign was over.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 01:57 (seven years ago)

i'm just watching ceausescu's last speech on loop, fun times

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 01:58 (seven years ago)

This Republican Congress has proven incapable of fulfilling the Founders’ design that “Ambition must ... counteract ambition.” All who believe in this country’s values must vote for Democrats this fall. Policy differences don’t matter right now. History has its eyes on us.

— James Comey (@Comey) July 18, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 02:39 (seven years ago)

Sorry, Mr. Comey, you don't get to correct your serious fuck-ups in 2016 via one tweet. You had your chance to do what was right and you stuck your big foot right into the pile of shit.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 02:45 (seven years ago)

He’s seen Hamilton!

devops mom (silby), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 02:46 (seven years ago)

Sorry, Mr. Comey, you don't get to correct your serious fuck-ups in 2016 via one tweet.

how many does it take? because he's working on it

kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 03:54 (seven years ago)

Writing' Tweets, Jammin' Hamilton...

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 04:15 (seven years ago)

you stuck your big foot right into the pile of shit that was inside your own ass the entire time

seriously fuck Comey and frankly fuck Obama and Holder for tolerating his bullshit. there’s a classic rule in Washington that you do YOUR job, not the job of someone else across the street that you think is sleeping on it, or a job you think you should have one day, and Comey failed about 100 ways from Sunday on that front. Fuck him. Fuck him. Fuck the people who let him get so far that he gets to pretend he’s honorable for being fired by the worst president in the nation’s history.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 04:41 (seven years ago)

Eric Holder now has a job suing grandmas for their lunch money or something iirc

devops mom (silby), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 05:03 (seven years ago)

I thought he was supposed to be helping with redistricting to help the disenfranchised. Who can tell, though.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 05:23 (seven years ago)

i think he spent most of last year working for uber on their internal investigation.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 05:40 (seven years ago)

I’m sure he got to the bottom of it

devops mom (silby), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 05:50 (seven years ago)

good mourning, Yelploaf!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 10:23 (seven years ago)

am now on team yelploaf because sotosyn has attacked joe cocker on twitter

dele alli my bookmarks (darraghmac), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 10:36 (seven years ago)

the_cocker_defender has logged on

BIG RICHARD ENERGY (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 10:40 (seven years ago)

i don't even know 'er

cable news is legitimately just Talking Dead at this point. a bunch of guests with questionable credentials making up fan fiction about what might happen next with what they watched on tv

— jack allison (@jackallisonLOL) July 17, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 11:26 (seven years ago)

the people they kill get up and kill

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 11:30 (seven years ago)

ICYMI

Cameroonian soldiers were recently taped slaughtering two women & two kids, one a baby. The Cameroon government blithely calls this "fake news"—demonstrating how Trump's vileness doesn't just affect the US but empowers the most repellent people everywhere. https://t.co/0wlr4fxQIb pic.twitter.com/piCmblxMNC

— Jon Schwarz (@schwarz) July 17, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 11:37 (seven years ago)

Wish I had, they're using his shorthand but in real terms there is zero difference between this and how repressive African militaries operated pre Trump.

Only real difference is we absolve them of these atrocities by making yet another thing all about Trump.

tsrobodo, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 11:48 (seven years ago)

I don't think Dr. Morbius is absolving them of anything.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 11:52 (seven years ago)

The point, I think, is that the perpetrators consider this a fig leaf with some utility for killing.

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 11:54 (seven years ago)

xp
I don't think so either hence the "we" and not "he"

tsrobodo, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 11:55 (seven years ago)

My point is that these people understood what plausible deniability was long before Trump called everything he didn't like "fake news".

If they weren't using his term they'd be saying something else to the same effect as they have been doing for decades

Arguing that Trump empowered these actors to commit murder is a reach and also infantilising of governments that have every capacity to do better and don't.

tsrobodo, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 12:00 (seven years ago)

"Fake news" is just another way of saying "fuck you," and people have been saying the latter for eons.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 12:06 (seven years ago)

I think tsrobodo is missing the point that all horrible things are the fault of the USA

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 12:39 (seven years ago)

that's true obv but the usa also invented the cronut so y'know it's swings and roundabouts innit

BIG RICHARD ENERGY (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 12:42 (seven years ago)

xp
more resenting the idea than missing tbh

tsrobodo, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 13:10 (seven years ago)

Gonna leave this here and resume fucking off

https://news.gallup.com/poll/1675/most-important-problem.aspx

Simon H., Wednesday, 18 July 2018 13:17 (seven years ago)

El Tomboto is there an Introduction to Defensiveness seminar before one enters Spookville?

y'know, fuck the politics threads

let me know when he leaves again, guys

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 14:18 (seven years ago)

and God Fuck America forever and ever, the last great betrayal of human hope before Doomsday

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 14:19 (seven years ago)

I whisper that before my prayers at night!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 14:27 (seven years ago)

my mind is still reeling at "I meant to say 'wouldn't' instead of 'would', but I didn't because I was afraid a double negative in the transcript would look confusing, even though 'wouldn't' makes no sense in that context, and by the way it might not actually be Russia, there are a lot of people out there"

but not as much as it does at Trump literally crossing off the "we should prosecute these people" comment off his remarks

frogbs, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 14:28 (seven years ago)

look if there's one thing we know, it's that trump picks his words incredibly carefully so this defence totally makes sense and is entirely in character

BIG RICHARD ENERGY (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 14:29 (seven years ago)

I don't know, I think it was pretty brave and courageous and can I just say strong for him to admit in front of everybody that everybody misunderstood him?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 14:44 (seven years ago)

There's still some part of me that thinks Trump is confused because he's being just as incautious and half-assed and demonstrating just as much overt contempt as he did when he got himself fired from that stupid summer job his dad made him get that one time but no one seems to be taking the hint and so he keeps doubling down thinking surely someone will finally get fed up and tell him to go home so he can just sit around eating ketchup-slathered steak briquettes all day again.

Gregory Horsemelt (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 14:53 (seven years ago)

I mean, I think that's still a component of his steeze but then he's also gotten into it a little bit more once he realized that the presidency is kinda like having a Game Genie.

Gregory Horsemelt (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 14:54 (seven years ago)

Gotta say, when I heard the audio of Trump doing the "uh yeah I kind of trust our intelligence services and Russia could have interfered in the election -- AND MAYBE OTHER COUNTRIES, there are lots of countries.." bit I was thinking, damn, this would be a good opportunity for someone to jump in with "Can you give us a list of any other countries you might have in mind that your campaign talked to?"

mh, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 15:21 (seven years ago)

supine press corps in 'missing opportunity to hold power to account' shocker

BIG RICHARD ENERGY (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 15:27 (seven years ago)

(xp) any country with a female leader

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 15:30 (seven years ago)

Oops.

In new court filing, feds say they believe Maria Butina has been in contact with Russian intel officers, and "offered an individual other than (her boyfriend) sex in exchange for a position within a special interest organization."

— Devlin Barrett (@DevlinBarrett) July 18, 2018

The government's argument to keep Maria Butina in pretrial detention includes this section. pic.twitter.com/zPBD3fD54Z

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) July 18, 2018

The government's argument to keep Maria Butina in pretrial detention includes this section. pic.twitter.com/zPBD3fD54Z

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) July 18, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 15:50 (seven years ago)

Sorry, last one should have been:

... and this one. It seems overwhelmingly likely to me that they're trying to arrest Erickson (US Person 1), if they haven't done it already. pic.twitter.com/cnU9Zl8XNM

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) July 18, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 15:50 (seven years ago)

please please please tell me it's Erick Erickson

the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 16:01 (seven years ago)

paul erickson, i think

Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 16:04 (seven years ago)

you know, for a foreign national who isn't allowed to work in the country, this really looks like a shell corp set up to pay her

mh, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 16:05 (seven years ago)

Yeah it's Paul Erickson, but imagine if.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 16:06 (seven years ago)

Also while in college, Erickson wrote “Fritzbusters,” a comedy routine that was critical of Democratic presidential nominee Walter Mondale and that bore similarities to the popular film Ghostbusters.[4] Erickson and some fellow College Republicans performed Fritzbusters at the 1984 Republican National Convention and later as a warm-up act for Ronald Reagan at some rallies during the 1984 United States presidential election.[3] The campaign stopped running Fritzbusters after more than 100 students wearing Fritzbusters shirts heckled Mondale in September 1984.[4]

the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 16:10 (seven years ago)

Charge says she was living with someone (Erickson, prolly) while offering sex to someone else for info. Who will it be!? Who will be (after his divorce) ... The Bachelor.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiZkrPbWsAE1l0u.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 16:12 (seven years ago)

I did not expect Ginny Weasley to bring down the government, but those are the times we're in, I guess.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 16:20 (seven years ago)

Can someone please paste his future wife into santorum.jpg?

Gregory Horsemelt (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 16:20 (seven years ago)

Exclusive: A @BuzzFeedNews and @OCCRP investigation reveals American Conservatives worked with the founder of the first so-called fake news site in Macedonia. One of these Americans is now running for office. Story and thread: https://t.co/lS0M4tQ8ZR

— Craig Silverman (@CraigSilverman) July 18, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 16:32 (seven years ago)

please please please tell me it's Erick Erickson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7aLXehSXAo

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 16:34 (seven years ago)

As Ray Parker, Jr. said, fritzin' makes me feel good!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 16:56 (seven years ago)

was wondering when the lobbyists sleeping with congressmen story was gonna make a comeback. this Russia thing really does have it all.

frogbs, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 17:07 (seven years ago)

This is a hollow gesture of course, but I'm more than a little annoyed that people like this are making more forceful blanket condemnations of the Republican Party as an institution than Democrats are. https://t.co/n1M2UVTUBE

— Osita Nwanevu (@OsitaNwanevu) June 20, 2018

Again, no love for Steve Schmidt or NeverTrump opportunism here, but why isn't Chuck Schumer calling for this? https://t.co/a1pQWYtZAs

— Osita Nwanevu (@OsitaNwanevu) July 18, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 17:11 (seven years ago)

Is Russia still targeting the US? Trump says, "No." pic.twitter.com/L5ZY9DE4r1

— Meg Wagner (@megwagner) July 18, 2018

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 17:17 (seven years ago)

xpost '8 years and 6 months ago I created the television program Jersey Shore for MTV which was founded in 1981 to bring the magic of music videos into the homes of American teenagers. Today I denounce MTV. It is fully the network of garbage people who should never be allowed anywhere near fame. Shaaaaaaaame on you, MTV.'

Pizza's the food that's sure to please! (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 17:25 (seven years ago)

Schumer's not going to talk about a Senate colleague with the, ah, freedom that Palin enabler Steve Schmidt can.

Kudos to Schmdit for waking up, though

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 17:25 (seven years ago)

there's nobody at the wheel. we're a joke.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 17:28 (seven years ago)

LOL, Trump adopting his bad-boy arms crossed posture. What a stupid turd.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 17:32 (seven years ago)

He looks completely defensive and petulant in that posture. SAD!

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 17:38 (seven years ago)

Trump’s body language is really amazing, his whole “slouched forward, fingertips touching, waiting impatiently for a table at Sizzler on a Friday night” posture with Putin was something else.

omar little, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 17:42 (seven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPM-FXHj5gA

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 17:43 (seven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AhgyXtZQgU

Pizza's the food that's sure to please! (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 17:44 (seven years ago)

He really is the stupidest human being I've ever seen. It's staggering how stupid he is.

Alan Alba (Tom D.), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 17:48 (seven years ago)

As Ray Parker, Jr. said, fritzin' makes me feel good!

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)

they wanted a new drug

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 17:49 (seven years ago)

I did not expect Ginny Weasley to bring down the government, but those are the times we're in, I guess.

Dude popular culture is ON IT

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_HW8poh1xef4/TJJEA9HJDAI/AAAAAAAAAHQ/2sSI2gaRIGc/s320/goatsvoldemort.gif

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71Ym2WlNglL._UX679_.jpg

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 17:53 (seven years ago)

Sarah Sanders might as well just come out and shit on the floor at this point. Why even ask her questions

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:09 (seven years ago)

hey, give sarah sanders a break. she had to leave a restaurant early because some of the cooks objected to serving food to a prominent white supremacist

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:16 (seven years ago)

^^That feels like forever ago.

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:18 (seven years ago)

yeah, but she has to think about it every time she goes out to eat. sarah sanders didn't forget. let's all keep that in mind. when she plainly lies hundreds of times during the press conference, no one should criticize her because she's had it so bad already

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:21 (seven years ago)

Meantime...

🚨The new Fed Beige Book is out, and as expected: "Manufacturers in all Districts expressed concern about tariffs and in many Districts reported higher prices and supply disruptions that they attributed to the new trade policies."https://t.co/S8aAAAGtCa

— Scott Lincicome (@scottlincicome) July 18, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:24 (seven years ago)

LOL, Trump adopting his bad-boy arms crossed posture. What a stupid turd

it's always when he knows he's way in over his head too. it's just the most transparent thing.

frogbs, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:27 (seven years ago)

Obvious observation that I did not think of, it's ... unlikely that that Russian NRA spy is the only one.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:45 (seven years ago)

Devin Nunesovich

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:46 (seven years ago)

lol Trump is saying he didn't mean to say "no" regarding Russia still attacking us, but that he meant to say he wasn't taking questions.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:48 (seven years ago)

am not making this shit up

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:49 (seven years ago)

White House press sounding tired right now. Like, exhausted.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:49 (seven years ago)

tbf, I thought he was saying "no" to questions, too.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:49 (seven years ago)

even if he was, tho, the optics of this after yesterday....

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:51 (seven years ago)

also he answered more questions after saying that.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:52 (seven years ago)

Well, he can't shut up.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:53 (seven years ago)

consider me Skeptical Sammy but I do not care for this explanation one bit no sir

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:54 (seven years ago)

When I said 'no' I obviously meant 'yes, the Russians are not still targeting us'. By which I mean 'no, the Russians are totally still targeting us'. Which is why I said 'yes'. What part of this is unclear to you, exactly? Is it the part where I utilize my native language like someone who just discovered the existence of English two weeks ago?

Pizza's the food that's sure to please! (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:55 (seven years ago)

Are you quoting george will there

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 18:59 (seven years ago)

From his column yesterday: "Precision is not part of Trump’s repertoire: He speaks English as though it is a second language that he learned from someone who learned English last week.”

yes I read a George Will column

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 19:02 (seven years ago)

Why, I'm so reassured!

.@maggieNYT asks @WHPressSec abt Russia’s call to intv @Billbrowder & @McFaul: “Pres will meet w/ his team & we’ll let you know when we have an announcement on that front.” Acknowledges the topic was discussed privately bween Trump & Putin.

— Bianna Golodryga (@biannagolodryga) July 18, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 19:12 (seven years ago)

that was Putin's "incredible offer" wasn't it? He'll help US get to the bottom of this whole witch hunt thing in exchange for handing over Browder and McFaul?

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 19:14 (seven years ago)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiaGtVuVsAA_GDj.jpg

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 19:15 (seven years ago)

https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/mariia-butina-and-the-open-secrets-of-the-russia-scandal

In July, 2015, a few weeks after Trump declared his candidacy, he called on her—apparently at random—during an event in Las Vegas. “Do you want to continue the politics of sanctions that are damaging of both economies?” Butina asked. “I believe I would get along very nicely with Putin, O.K.?” Trump replied. “I don’t think you’d need the sanctions.” Later, according to Michael Isikoff and David Corn’s book, “Russian Roulette,” the Trump campaign advisers Steve Bannon and Reince Priebus worried about this exchange. “How was it that this Russian woman happened to be in Las Vegas for that event? And how was it that Trump happened to call on her? And Trump’s response?” Isikoff and Corn wrote. “It was odd, Bannon thought, that Trump had a fully developed answer. Priebus agreed there was something strange about Butina. Whenever there were events held by conservative groups, she was always around, he told Bannon.”

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 19:19 (seven years ago)

I was reading that article, thought "hmm, I don't know much about American University" -- the school Butina was apparently attending -- googled it, and apparently they're on lockdown right this minute due to an armed intruder

2018 is a hell of a year

mh, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 19:28 (seven years ago)

Good thread here, with reference to his Apprentice years and the power of editing.

I have one very specific thought about Trump's backtracking on things he's said, and an idea about why it may be so simultaneously comfortable and reflexive for him—and also baffling to him when he gets called on it.

— Andy Dehnart (@realityblurred) July 18, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 19:29 (seven years ago)

i lived with some au students in the summer of 96

maura, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 19:30 (seven years ago)

speaking of universities I can't wait for this stupid coach Larry Fedora to win the presidential election in 2024

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 19:34 (seven years ago)

Are you quoting george will there

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, July 18, 2018 1:59 PM (thirty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Whoa, not at all. The idea that we might be on the same wavelength...I might need to lie down for a bit.

Pizza's the food that's sure to please! (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 19:35 (seven years ago)

am I crazy or should Michael McFaul maybe be thinking about getting the hell out of the US? I mean, is there even a tiny chance he could get extradited to Russia? I don't know who has the final say-so on that.

evol j, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 19:47 (seven years ago)

Good Time article on Bill Browder here. I remember reading about his lawyer's death, but didn't know he'd turned it into a laudable cause.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 19:53 (seven years ago)

"by" vs. on, correction

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 19:54 (seven years ago)

I feel so much better!

After WH spox Sarah Sanders fails to reject Russian request to question former US Amb to Russia Michael McFaul, State spox Heather Nauert calls the Russian request "absolutely absurd" and "We do not stand by those assertions" the Russian government makes.

— Jonathan Landay (@JonathanLanday) July 18, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 19:55 (seven years ago)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_law_in_the_United_States#Extradition_from_the_United_States

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 20:38 (seven years ago)

long story short, it appears it has to go through the State Department...

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 20:38 (seven years ago)

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/397718-shots-fired-through-window-of-new-york-democratic-headquarters

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 20:46 (seven years ago)

that Andy Denhart tweet is something I've thought about a lot. the thing is... it's "working", kind of

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 20:54 (seven years ago)

am I crazy or should Michael McFaul maybe be thinking about getting the hell out of the US? I mean, is there even a tiny chance he could get extradited to Russia? I don't know who has the final say-so on that.

aiui McFaul has never been accused of any crimes in Russia - or not seriously. The Russian government, in theory, wants to interview him in relation to what it claims was illegal lobbying on the part of Browder. It’s transparent trolling with no conceivable expectations about being successful but is probably designed to remind the US that there is a bunch of people who’d potentially fall within the remit of the new tit-for-tat laws on undeclared foreign lobbyists.

On the subject of foreign lobbyists:

Uhhh...that’s a sitting U.S. Congressman (Paul Gosar) speaking at a “Free Tommy Robinson” rally in the UK. https://t.co/GHcY0GQ2Z1 pic.twitter.com/ghNfsrFmIT

— Imraan Siddiqi (@imraansiddiqi) July 17, 2018

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 20:55 (seven years ago)

The Butina Netflix docudrama is gonna own so hard.

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 21:07 (seven years ago)

Sanders was going on and on about reporters confusing some redhead WH staffer for Butina, but I generally follow this shit and had no idea what she was talking about.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 21:19 (seven years ago)

For 20 minutes yesterday someone thought there was a photo with Butina in the Oval Office with trump, but it was quickly confirmed that it wasn’t her. However, it was a mistake that some members of the media fell for, and just means that all coverage on this issue is unfair and biased against trump

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 21:21 (seven years ago)

Pssh, fake media trying to fool me into aborting Trump's baby. Well they have to try harder next time!

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 21:23 (seven years ago)

https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-officials-at-a-fucking-loss-over-latest-russia-sell-out

wait for the kicker

mookieproof, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 21:54 (seven years ago)

O ok

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-today-07-18-18/h_0d9da820978150b8de4598ecf0cc7f5a

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 22:00 (seven years ago)

I am bit late on the news, just catching up on this Butina stuff and woah how stupid can the NRA be.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 22:05 (seven years ago)

how stupid can the NRA be.

Their new $1 million PR campaign with the slogan "Two guns in every classroom!" won unanimous approval from the NRA Board of Directors, but after conducting some focus groups it was quietly sent back to the PR firm for retooling.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 22:09 (seven years ago)

I'm starting to wonder if life is not a lie and maybe we are all just living in Oliver Stone's imagination.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 22:10 (seven years ago)

These days, "how stupid" relative to what?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 22:10 (seven years ago)

It's just the grand naiveté to think that none of these things (collusion, Butina, Daniels, separation of families, etc) will be never be uncovered that I describe as 'how stupid'. They are other layers of stupidity of course, but at this point what baffles me the most at this point is how incompetent some conservatives are at being evil.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 22:19 (seven years ago)

"How to respond to FSB offer of employment?" - Maria Butina

The FSB is the Russian spy agency--the successor to the KGB. https://t.co/SEtvgbkV0J

— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) July 18, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 22:22 (seven years ago)

"do crimes?"

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 22:22 (seven years ago)

It's just the grand naiveté to think that none of these things (collusion, Butina, Daniels, separation of families, etc) will be never be uncovered that I describe as 'how stupid'.

I think it all boils down to the expectation by more or less everyone, including Trump Inc., that he was not going to win.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 22:26 (seven years ago)

Caught her singing "you want FSB jobs? I've got twenty. But who cares. No big deal. I want mooooore."

Impossible Burgermeat. Unlikely Seitan. (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 22:40 (seven years ago)

what baffles me the most at this point is how incompetent some conservatives are at being evil.

― Van Horn Street, Wednesday, July 18, 2018

tbh they seem to be doing pretty well so far

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 23:39 (seven years ago)

Whoops!

The funds Jill Stein collected for a recount are instead being used by her campaign to pay her Russia probe legal bills, according to The Daily Beast. https://t.co/EvtSwum7jP

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) July 18, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 18 July 2018 23:39 (seven years ago)

shocked, shocked

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 23:41 (seven years ago)

Meanwhile, Gary Johnson struggles to find Russia on a map.

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 18 July 2018 23:57 (seven years ago)

Pennies slowly drop:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trumps-tariffs-on-mexico-are-causing-layoffs-in-the-united-states/2018/07/18/03ec1e74-8473-11e8-9e80-403a221946a7_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.36ca92c8cbd5

Philip Bennett, 37, a machine repairman at Mid Continent, appeared close to tears as he talked about his 5-year-old daughter, Aubree, who has a congenital heart condition that has required multiple surgeries. He has health insurance through Mid Continent that covers her.

“There’s a lot of good things that he is doing. But he’s affecting me now, and I don’t appreciate it,” Bennett, a Trump supporter, said of the president.

“I mean, I don’t expect him to come down here,” he added. “It’d be nice — and see what he’s affecting, and see the people he’s hurting.”

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 July 2018 02:23 (seven years ago)

‘I want him to fix it’: Trump voters sorry now that tariffs are killing their Missouri nail factory https://t.co/l3M5QmBJTz

— Raw Story (@RawStory) July 18, 2018

“I want him to fix it” means “I want a special exemption for my factory so I don’t feel like an idiot for voting for him” https://t.co/CoBvdkPSp0

— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) July 19, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 July 2018 02:24 (seven years ago)

at least jeff flake is out there fighting for him

mookieproof, Thursday, 19 July 2018 02:26 (seven years ago)

fuck your tears bruh

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 19 July 2018 02:27 (seven years ago)

Cool

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 19 July 2018 02:30 (seven years ago)

Guys who never have and never will suffer economic consequences from any presidency laughing at people who do is very cool.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 19 July 2018 02:31 (seven years ago)

1) fuck yr presuppositions
2) who's laughing?

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 19 July 2018 02:33 (seven years ago)

I feel no sympathy though for a Trump voter who ignored all of the shit Trump was doing to other people and are now only upset because it affects them personally. I feel a fuck ton of remorse for the family members it's impacting.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 19 July 2018 02:35 (seven years ago)

so this McFaul interrogation story is blowing up on Twitter. guarantee Trump is blowing up at Sanders for the way she handled it and tomorrow the official line is "we are in no way approving this deal, we just said 'considering'!"

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 19 July 2018 02:35 (seven years ago)

How do you feel about Clinton voters who were laid off because of NAFTA?

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 19 July 2018 02:38 (seven years ago)

oh cool, whataboutism in this thread!

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 19 July 2018 02:38 (seven years ago)

as bad as a person as Slick Willy is, motherfucker didn't talk about banning Muslims, refuse to distance himself from white supremacists, or say he would punish women for getting abortions. I don't thumb my nose at individual voters who experience hardship under the President they voted for, but Trump showed his ass to the world, that he was a vile, xenophobic human being that stoked racial fires, and demonstrated that he had no fucking clue about anything.

He was practically wearing a sign saying "I'm the devil", so pardon me if I am not shedding a tear for his voters, who in the examples above, only give a shit because it's impacting them personally and didn't speak up when other people were suffering under his Presidency.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 19 July 2018 02:43 (seven years ago)

I know real living breathing people whose lives got a lot harder after election day, so fuck yourself

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 19 July 2018 02:43 (seven years ago)

That’s not whataboutism, which is a dumb concept anyway. You are suggesting that people who suffer a consequence from the actions of someone they voted for deserve what they get because you don’t like who they voted for. And I’m guessing you’re a person who never suffered a material consequence from any President other than increased anxiety. Certainly Tom Nichols hasn’t. And I do think there’s a connection between that attitude and why democrats don’t win those voters.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 19 July 2018 02:47 (seven years ago)

Guys who never have and never will suffer economic consequences from any presidency

so, this is fucking bullshit and you knew it when you wrote it

El Tomboto, Thursday, 19 July 2018 02:48 (seven years ago)

I do think there’s a connection between that attitude and why democrats don’t win those voters

you're missing something far more essential to those voters

El Tomboto, Thursday, 19 July 2018 02:49 (seven years ago)

They deserve it tbh

devops mom (silby), Thursday, 19 July 2018 02:49 (seven years ago)

Cmd-F racism

devops mom (silby), Thursday, 19 July 2018 02:49 (seven years ago)

strawman alive

El Tomboto, Thursday, 19 July 2018 02:50 (seven years ago)

And I’m guessing you’re a person who never suffered a material consequence from any President other than increased anxiety

lol, based on what? could I prove my job layoff in 2003 was due to Dubya even if I fucking tried? gtfo

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 19 July 2018 02:51 (seven years ago)

honestly, we all define the amount of depth we go into to figure out how to vote. voting party lines regardless of the candidate, reading or listening to a pitch of the candidate's stances, watching a debate, reading an article breaking down candidate stances, actually attending campaign speaking events, voting in primaries, actually canvassing for a candidate

the idea if you only superficially participate and then vote in the general is that the people who have done the rest of the levels did the work of vetting and analysis, because you aren't as invested or, as in the case of a lot of people you're too busy with work and raising kids and doing whatever to devote a lot of time

i mean, i know real living people who make decisions they still think were reasonable in the scope of their lives who have a harder time because they weren't the best but they stand by them out of pride or allegiance

fuck their decisions and devotion but take care of all people regardless imo

mh, Thursday, 19 July 2018 02:52 (seven years ago)

also don't be a big dummy and think your party needs to cater to 100% of voters because damn

mh, Thursday, 19 July 2018 02:53 (seven years ago)

didn't really understand any of that

Dan S, Thursday, 19 July 2018 02:56 (seven years ago)

I’m the last guy who thinks we need 100% of voters. Most of Trumps base isn’t the guys at the nail factory it’s the guys who own nail factories (and landscaping businesses and work for defense contractors and whatever other UMC non liberal professionals and small business owners).

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 19 July 2018 02:57 (seven years ago)

Yeah well those guys are getting increasingly fucked by the tariffs too.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 July 2018 03:01 (seven years ago)

also you just made all that up

El Tomboto, Thursday, 19 July 2018 03:04 (seven years ago)

Most of Trumps base isn’t the guys at the nail factory it’s the guys who own nail factories

are you talking about fundraising base, or the sheer numbers? because the community of "small business owners" is nowhere near as large as all the people who work for them

Karl Malone, Thursday, 19 July 2018 03:06 (seven years ago)

http://faculty.wcas.northwestern.edu/~tko782/LRNPbyOP18.pdf

For all subgroups, increased absolute income is associated with a decrease in Trump support, and for every subgroup except for the one-third of white respondents living in ZIP codes with high population densities, increased local income position is associated with increased Trump support.

Both the negative relationship between absolute income and voting for Trump and the positive relationship between local income position and voting for Trump persist among: both whites within and without college degrees, both white men and white women, both whites in the South and whites outside the South, whites in areas with high percentages of black residents and white in ares with low percentages of black residents, whites in areas with high income inequality and whites in areas with low income inequality, and whites in both rich and poor states.

El Tomboto, Thursday, 19 July 2018 03:07 (seven years ago)

more trouble from new york for the trump foundation

The New York State Department of Taxation and Finance has opened an investigation into whether the Donald J. Trump Foundation violated state tax laws, a move that could lead to a criminal referral for possible prosecution, according to two state officials familiar with the inquiry.

The officials would not say when the investigation started, or what activities it may be scrutinizing. But it seemed likely that the inquiry may cover some of the same issues raised by the New York attorney general, Barbara D. Underwood, in a lawsuit filed against the Trump Foundation last month.

...A criminal inquiry could reveal additional information beyond the scope of the lawsuit, such as the president’s tax returns. If the investigation found possible criminal activity, it could then refer its findings to a law enforcement agency, such as the state attorney general’s office or a district attorney. That agency could present the findings to a grand jury, according to the two officials, both senior members of Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo’s office, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect an active investigation.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/nyregion/trump-foundation-tax-investigation-cuomo.html

Karl Malone, Thursday, 19 July 2018 03:26 (seven years ago)

On a lighter note, more on this clown:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/accused-russian-spys-boy-toy-is-a-serial-fraud-lawsuits

Conservative media activist L Brent Bozell III, founder of the Media Research Center, first sued Erickson’s Compass Care Inc. in Virginia in 2007, alleging that a large investment he made was not repaid. Bozell claimed that Erickson claimed “investors had realized returns ranging from 50% to 100% on their investments within one year of the date of their investment” in his company.

I mean when BRENT BOZELL is suing you...

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 July 2018 03:34 (seven years ago)

Two sources familiar with Erickson said he would habitually namedrop, make sexually inappropriate comments in conservative social circles, and try his best to weirdly charm and ingratiate himself with power players in the GOP and the American right. This would include frequently bringing doughnuts to events to try to win people over.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 July 2018 03:37 (seven years ago)

whom amongst us has not brought day-old doughnuts to work

mh, Thursday, 19 July 2018 03:45 (seven years ago)

That new Times revelation is full of troubling bombshells. Every day the story gets deeper and looks worse.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 19 July 2018 12:09 (seven years ago)

tbh it wasn't a big enough bomb -- how many of us had already thought he knew it was Putin himself? I'm no doubt jaded.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 July 2018 12:16 (seven years ago)

good mourning

El Tomboto, Thursday, 19 July 2018 12:20 (seven years ago)

Well, it explicitly means he's known from the start and lied about it. Which ... yeah. But that is practically criminal, maybe literally, if he revealed sources to Russia and that accounted for those murders in the wake of his election. IC people or friends of indicating this is all huge news.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 19 July 2018 12:21 (seven years ago)

i don't follow the investigation in detail and what happened this week is a big deal to me. i was reading one of bourdain's last interviews (really good interview, even if i'm a little suspicious of the platform it wound up being published on) and he was of the opinion that trump was just going to wind up walking away. i don't believe that's an option for him at this point.

the reason i don't follow the investigation is that i don't really believe anything will change until october at least, which is a long, long way away. talking about what will happen is so wildly speculative that i don't see the point in doing it myself.

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Thursday, 19 July 2018 12:40 (seven years ago)

I honestly don't see any way in which this results in any real consequences for Trump himself. Some people in his orbit, sure. But America is not a place where the rich and powerful get punished just because they couldn't stop committing crimes

frogbs, Thursday, 19 July 2018 13:09 (seven years ago)

I don't expect him to suffer any real legal consequence, but I'll settle for his becoming an utter pariah once he leaves the WH. Maybe even suffering a bankruptcy he doesn't come back from. Dare to dream.

Pizza's the food that's sure to please! (Old Lunch), Thursday, 19 July 2018 13:19 (seven years ago)

I'm too cynical to think anything truly bad is ever going to happen to any of these people. Our best hope is that Trump loses in 2020 and the Trump brand is sufficiently sullied that we never have to endure a President Ivanka.

evol j, Thursday, 19 July 2018 13:21 (seven years ago)

fake news? fake american intelligence agencies! USA!

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 19 July 2018 13:25 (seven years ago)

when he has a heart attack or stroke and dies in office and is immed put on c-note, ill be sad and feel cheated. and thats only like, halfway in my list of dystopias.

Hunt3r, Thursday, 19 July 2018 13:27 (seven years ago)

Putin's Input is the name of my latest elegantly nihilistic post-punk band, guys; please kickstart our new album Not Mitt, Rex

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 19 July 2018 13:34 (seven years ago)

Ubu Rex Tillerson.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 July 2018 13:36 (seven years ago)

fake news? fake american intelligence agencies! USA!

― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, July 19, 2018 8:25 AM (eight minutes ago)

Your posts have gone so far into the voice of the chud they're giving me the creeps. Good job, I guess.

a shomin-geki poster with some horror elements (WilliamC), Thursday, 19 July 2018 13:38 (seven years ago)

yeah if he dies in any other way than a murder-suicide while in office he will be martyred/ memorialized by the Right and swiftly rehabbed by the MSM.

xxxposts

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 19 July 2018 13:39 (seven years ago)

and he strikes me as a dude way too lazy for murder and way too narcissistic for suicide, even if the authorities were closing in on him in a way that virtually insures him spending the rest of his life in prison

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 19 July 2018 13:42 (seven years ago)

illustrating another reason i don't keep up with the investigation - days seem like months, the present moment appears permanent.

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Thursday, 19 July 2018 13:46 (seven years ago)

It seems the best likely hope for everyone is nto that Trump will be impeached unless something really bad happens like the discovery of a tape where he says "I hate american! I want treeson! call Putin at once!" but rather an approch like the republidicks are doing to obamacare - weakin it until it is uselss - Trump must be weakened until he is littel more than a ghost in a yellow wig

Rabbit Control (Latham Green), Thursday, 19 July 2018 13:49 (seven years ago)

https://www.axios.com/republicans-poll-donald-trump-press-conference-putin-5776322f-a483-4e21-b50c-028799b08367.html

79% of Republicans approve of Trump's handling of Putin press conference, 85% see all this as "a distraction"

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 19 July 2018 13:56 (seven years ago)

so i guess we've m/l found his 'floor'

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 19 July 2018 13:57 (seven years ago)

They can't be happy with those Independent numbers tho

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 19 July 2018 14:00 (seven years ago)

http://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/397695-pollster-gop-base-is-shrinking

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 19 July 2018 14:07 (seven years ago)

this thread took a pleasant turn into "should we treat Trump voters like human beings?"

we should btw

No organ. (crüt), Thursday, 19 July 2018 14:11 (seven years ago)

a lot of people voted for Trump for dumb ass reasons. they still dont deserve to see their jobs collapse and their children die. not everyone gets inundated with the message that Trump is evil and stupid like we do.

No organ. (crüt), Thursday, 19 July 2018 14:14 (seven years ago)

Good mourning!

Legalize dreams (Ross), Thursday, 19 July 2018 14:18 (seven years ago)

I don’t have to feel sorry for racists who lose their jobs

El Tomboto, Thursday, 19 July 2018 14:24 (seven years ago)

I really don’t

El Tomboto, Thursday, 19 July 2018 14:24 (seven years ago)

what if they're just colossally ignorant?

No organ. (crüt), Thursday, 19 July 2018 14:26 (seven years ago)

not everyone gets inundated with the message that Trump is evil and stupid like we do.


Like I get this but there are his, you know, literal words.

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 19 July 2018 14:27 (seven years ago)

I mean when someone gets ripped off I can't help but feel at least a little sorry for them even they potentially could have seen it coming

No organ. (crüt), Thursday, 19 July 2018 14:29 (seven years ago)

and yeah I’m always going to hate/ hold responsible the middle management chuds and small biz tyrants more than working class wites. but everyone’s an adult. how’s about a little of that storied ‘personal responsibility’?

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 19 July 2018 14:29 (seven years ago)

xxpost Which, tbf, are barely English and therefore pretty open to interpretation. It's like divining an overturned box of magnetic poetry.

Pizza's the food that's sure to please! (Old Lunch), Thursday, 19 July 2018 14:30 (seven years ago)

I'm not gonna wish for anyone's children to die, but so much of Trump's base in founded on 'othering' others that it's really going to take a significant number of them losing jobs due to tariffs, or losing healthcare, to start to turn the tide.

Get aboard the flappy bird, departing gate 19 (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 19 July 2018 14:31 (seven years ago)

what if they're just colossally ignorant?

They'll never become less ignorant without some external stimulus, such as bad economic things happening to them that can be tied directly to Trumpophilia.

a shomin-geki poster with some horror elements (WilliamC), Thursday, 19 July 2018 14:32 (seven years ago)

i mean maaaybe Trump enthusiastically backing a GOP plan to majorly slash SS & Medicare with *immediate* effects could turn some of the tide. but even then who tf knows

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 19 July 2018 14:34 (seven years ago)

can't believe we're still doing this but: he ran on his birtherist credentials, 'the wall,' 'CHI-na' and the muslim ban. these are all racist sales pitches. so if you voted for him you either voted for racism or racism is not a deal-breaker to you which amounts to the same thing. we can talk about whether to feel sorry and be nice to racists, i guess, on some other thread preferably, but it'd be nice to get to the point where we accept that he ran on being racist.

This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 19 July 2018 14:35 (seven years ago)

OH YEAH

BREAKING: @RepSwalwell and I just made a motion in House Intel Committee to subpoena the American interpreter during the summit — the only witness to Trump’s meeting with Putin. This is an extraordinary remedy, but Trump’s actions necessitate it.

Republicans voted it down.

— Adam Schiff (@RepAdamSchiff) July 19, 2018

Eliza D., Thursday, 19 July 2018 14:36 (seven years ago)

come on black voters what do you have to lose?

I'm just hoping that the Dems do turn out to vote this time around.
Cos watching this and waiting for the other boot to drop and see what the consequences of boots dropping are going to be isn't great and another 2 or 6 years or whatever he manages to wangle it out to is hard on the nerves.

Stevolende, Thursday, 19 July 2018 14:38 (seven years ago)

Unbelievable but that seems to be inevitable right now.
please don't break our ignorance.

& attempts at getting oversight to correct obvious wrongdoing seem to be meeting the same reaction all the time too.

Is taht act of voting down treasonous in itself or at least obstructing justice?

Stevolende, Thursday, 19 July 2018 14:41 (seven years ago)

I thought the GOP had at least enough intelligence among them to avoid decisively tying themselves to whatever Trump has been involved with, but they really seem to be okay with the prospect of irreversibly tainting their party. I don't get it, but I approve.

Pizza's the food that's sure to please! (Old Lunch), Thursday, 19 July 2018 14:45 (seven years ago)

what's the over/under on that interpreter dying in mysterious circumstances soon

BIG RICHARD ENERGY (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 19 July 2018 14:46 (seven years ago)

they got over the taint of GWB pretty quickly

frogbs, Thursday, 19 July 2018 14:47 (seven years ago)

and now they're entertaining extraditing browder, mcfaul, and strzok. fucking amazing

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 19 July 2018 14:48 (seven years ago)

greedy racist whites aren't going anywhere anytime soon (enough)

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 19 July 2018 14:49 (seven years ago)

(re GOP "taint")

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 19 July 2018 14:50 (seven years ago)

i know lots of us probably read axios already but anyway:

Now we have an exclusive, new Axios/SurveyMonkey poll that shows why those fears are real:

A whopping 79% of Republicans approved of Trump’s handling of Vladimir Putin at the post-summit press conference.
And 85% think the probe into Russia’s war on our elections is a distraction.
Why it matters: Trump’s superpower-like hold over the minds of Republican voters seems invincible.

Be smart: This poll foreshadows the coming national drama. Every piece of data, and virtually every public action of elected Republican officials, shows Trump will have overwhelming and probably unbreakable party support, regardless of what Robert Mueller finds with his Russia probe.

P.S. “'Important verbal agreements' were reached at the Helsinki meeting, Russia’s ambassador to the United States, Anatoly Antonov, told reporters in Moscow, ... including preservation of the New Start and INF agreements, major bilateral arms control treaties whose futures have been in question," the WashPost reports:

"But officials at the most senior levels across the U.S. military, scrambling ... to determine what Trump may have agreed to on national security issues in Helsinki, had little to no information."

this rules strap in fam

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 19 July 2018 14:57 (seven years ago)

good luck usa

BIG RICHARD ENERGY (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 19 July 2018 14:58 (seven years ago)

to quote Senator Curtis Jackson, "USA get the strap!"

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 19 July 2018 15:00 (seven years ago)

already mentioned yesterday, but acc to Gallup the % of Americans who say that Russia is their biggest concern is less than 1% (as of June, anyway). I'll be curious to see if that needle moves much this month.

Simon H., Thursday, 19 July 2018 15:01 (seven years ago)

poll releasing the tax returns, gallup!

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 19 July 2018 15:11 (seven years ago)

Be smart: we're all totally fucked

Karl Malone, Thursday, 19 July 2018 15:11 (seven years ago)

what's the over/under on that interpreter dying in mysterious circumstances soon
― BIG RICHARD ENERGY (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:46 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Honestly this is one reason I'm hesitant to bring the interpreter to testify - they could be in real danger afterwards

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 19 July 2018 15:12 (seven years ago)

poll releasing the tax returns, gallup!

you're dreaming if you think this number is any higher

Simon H., Thursday, 19 July 2018 15:13 (seven years ago)

the problem, to me, is that the racism and bigotry of the Trump persona is a hook he put his MAGA hat on, not the implicit appeal

people want a compelling narrative, or they just want to vote along party lines regardless of who is running. as long as whatever yelling and gesticulating homunculus on the stage fits within the boundaries of their party narrative, or gives the mythical swing voters a convincing argument, they get the votes

so while Trump is racist and xenophobic and misogynist, the narrative isn't much different from McCarthyism: the reason the system isn't working well for you is that there are forces out there, other countries and groups of people within your country -- enemies among us -- who are taking jobs, changing the social fabric from something you recognize, and he's going to fix that. linking that to existing social biases and bigotry means you don't have to fabricate it whole cloth -- even if it's by and large a fabrication

nobody gives a shit about russia because people are less interested in the process than the personalities. whether voting machines are secure, whether their local political party at the country or state level is concentrated on local interests or just running candidates floating on Koch money, it's the minutiae that really counts but the mostly-gutted small town newspapers and television stations owned by Sinclair aren't working for people, either

people are much louder but less engaged

mh, Thursday, 19 July 2018 15:17 (seven years ago)

sorry for workshopping ideas in public, but the frustration of reading the inside baseball articles about Russian operatives maneuvering at the national stage really is important and needs to be tackled, but the small things like local election integrity, having people engaged on local policy that builds up to national policy and not the top-down interest in what the president is doing that trickles back down to what people are doing in the state legislature... it's just rotten all the way through

mh, Thursday, 19 July 2018 15:21 (seven years ago)

too many people's self-image is so tied up in 'conservative' metanarratives they consider liberals (dems) more their 'enemy' than the GRU. part of that battered self-image in the first place is shame and failure ('unintelligence'). it's fun to watch the 'smart' liberals go apeshit ~ maga!

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 19 July 2018 15:22 (seven years ago)

So Trump wants another meeting with Putin and just called the media the enemy of the people AGAIN, less than a month after the murder of journalists in an office

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 19 July 2018 15:24 (seven years ago)

and now they're entertaining extraditing browder, mcfaul, and strzok. fucking amazing

― reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, July 19, 2018 10:48 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I doubt Donnie even realizes he doesn't have legal authority to do this (Pompeo does tho)

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 19 July 2018 15:29 (seven years ago)

tbf trump's gotten away with a lot of shit he doesn't have the legal authority to do, why not just start extraditing american citizens to russia

BIG RICHARD ENERGY (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 19 July 2018 15:30 (seven years ago)

I'm on a plane, by the way, and the woman at my 1 o'clock is wearing a MAGA hat.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 July 2018 15:33 (seven years ago)

I mean, the one big commonality with Russia here is that we have a lot of entrenched, monied interests who think politics are a great playground and they want to change the system to allow perpetual oligarchies

All the Trump bowing to Putin stuff is dumb because he thinks they're peers, wants the presidency to be more similar to Russia's presidency, and all oligarchs do is puff out their chests and ruffle their feathers while figuring out how to line their pockets

the whole Butina thing is insanely transparent. there's no way she gives a shit about gun rights here, or in Russia, although the creation of a Russian gun rights org is hilariously cynical as a cover. it's that she was a bright young person hand-picked in Russia by an oligarch as an enthusiastic personality who could find some gun identitarians and use that as cover to appeal to the politicians who bow to the NRA in order to cultivate a voter base

the NRA is as much about guns at this point as Trump's campaign was about racism -- it's a convenient emotional hook. the fact these people are invested in guns is both essential to their idea of allegiance to the organization as a political bloc and completely ephemeral to the broader political agenda being pushed

Alfred, good luck

mh, Thursday, 19 July 2018 15:34 (seven years ago)

NRA credulousness is only exceeded by Donald Trump's, though. Members thought this woman wanted to fuck their little guns.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 July 2018 15:40 (seven years ago)

as long as the pilot isn't wearing the MAGA hat

com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 19 July 2018 15:45 (seven years ago)

https://i1.wp.com/www.lawandai.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/54daefbf96e49_-_airplane-auto-pilot.jpg?resize=614%2C397

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 July 2018 15:47 (seven years ago)

Imagining a pilot screaming "fake news" at the people in the control towers telling them theyre flying too low

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 19 July 2018 15:52 (seven years ago)

"There may be a problem with the NRA's collusion with Russia"

"Collusion?!? What is it?"

"It's a secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose, but that's not important right now."

com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 19 July 2018 15:53 (seven years ago)

He's a music man
He's a what? He's a what?

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 19 July 2018 15:54 (seven years ago)

'donald, what can you make out of this?'

[hands him extensive dossier on russian interference in american elections]

'this? why, I can make a hat or a brooch or a pterodactyl...'

BIG RICHARD ENERGY (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 19 July 2018 15:57 (seven years ago)

Different movie but it works:

WAYNE LA PIERRE after sex with Russian spy: Oh, by the way: I faked every orgasm.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 July 2018 15:59 (seven years ago)

On the plus side - if Trump hated putin I'm sure we would already be living in a post -apocalypse nuclear wasteland

Rabbit Control (Latham Green), Thursday, 19 July 2018 16:01 (seven years ago)

i picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue

princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 19 July 2018 16:02 (seven years ago)

Elected GOP officials care about securing power for the seven-and-a-half years until their fatal heart attacks without one iota of concern for the long-term consequences of securing that power.

Pizza's the food that's sure to please! (Old Lunch), Thursday, 19 July 2018 16:09 (seven years ago)

i wish those "republicans love this" polls would break down what percentage of people id as dems, gop, independents

maura, Thursday, 19 July 2018 16:15 (seven years ago)

Elon Musk is secretly batman and he will deal with this TRUMP

Rabbit Control (Latham Green), Thursday, 19 July 2018 16:15 (seven years ago)

Pobrecitas!

Roby’s plight highlights the unique challenge Republican women face campaigning for office with Trump in the White House. While their female Democratic counterparts have benefited politically from going against the president on women’s issues, GOP women don’t have the same luxury.

“There are ways of disagreeing without being disagreeable … of doing it without making it personal,” said Rep. Ann Wagner of Missouri, one of the most outspoken women in the House GOP Conference, who frequently votes with the president. “A lot of it is in the approach.”

Retiring Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, who called Republican women an “endangered species,” was blunter: “The base is with Donald Trump, and he can do no wrong. … He’s going to be hanging on you like an albatross around your neck. Ugh! It is a real knot for female candidates."

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/19/republicans-women-trump-midterms-731615

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 July 2018 16:16 (seven years ago)

Hmmmmmmmmmmm, if only there were a way to dissociate yourself from someone who is the living embodiment of the cancerous party you've chosen to align yourself with. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

Pizza's the food that's sure to please! (Old Lunch), Thursday, 19 July 2018 16:19 (seven years ago)

It's so hard, as a member of this polar bear club, to speak out against swimming in sub-zero water. What am I to do?!?!?

Pizza's the food that's sure to please! (Old Lunch), Thursday, 19 July 2018 16:21 (seven years ago)

not a single republican gives a shit about checking executive authority
very few democrats in congress do, until they end up with Trump in the office

we need a good legislative/executive branch divide but they just won't let up on the fact he signs their idiotic bills

mh, Thursday, 19 July 2018 16:25 (seven years ago)

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/397845-nunes-spent-15k-of-political-donations-on-celtic-tickets-vega-trips

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 19 July 2018 16:39 (seven years ago)

Well well well

Umm, guys...

Robert Mueller just submitted his list of evidence for the Paul Manafort trial and look whose name is all over the first 30 items.

Tad Devine.

Bernie Sanders' Chief Strategist. pic.twitter.com/EmFMp7dTVB

— The Hoarse Whisperer (@HoarseWisperer) July 19, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 July 2018 16:39 (seven years ago)

Adding to this as I process it...

Mueller's evidence in a criminal trial includes communications between Tad Devine, Paul Manafort and a Russian connected to Putin up through JUNE OF 2014.

In NOVEMBER OF 2014, Devine joined Bernie's campaign.https://t.co/x4DZn7hnfk

— The Hoarse Whisperer (@HoarseWisperer) July 19, 2018

The Russian Devine was communicating with is Konstantin Kilimnik.

Kilimnik is already under indictment by Mueller.

Bernie's Chief Strategist was in touch with Manafort's shady Putin-connected pal right before joining Bernie's campaign... Uh-oh.https://t.co/vqq2720SZv

— The Hoarse Whisperer (@HoarseWisperer) July 19, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 July 2018 16:40 (seven years ago)

huh.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 19 July 2018 16:42 (seven years ago)

the part i'm really struggling with is how little this surprises. that said, mueller and his team are heroes for diligently connecting the dots.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 19 July 2018 16:43 (seven years ago)

Everything is fine. This is all just fine.

Pizza's the food that's sure to please! (Old Lunch), Thursday, 19 July 2018 16:43 (seven years ago)

fwiw Devine has been involved in every Dem campaign going back to Kerry and Gore; it's the Manafort connection that's uh

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 July 2018 16:45 (seven years ago)

clearly this was all a deep-undercover trump operation to finally unmask bernie as a russian agent #qanon

BIG RICHARD ENERGY (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:00 (seven years ago)

the part i'm really struggling with is how little this surprises.

wait, I thought Bernie was a communist? now he's an authoritarian/kleptocrat? i'm surprised!

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:07 (seven years ago)

Bernie has been quiet on Russia. Empty Wheel said revelations will be shocking.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:07 (seven years ago)

Bernie criticizes Trump admin’s Russia ties all the time.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:09 (seven years ago)

it's all part of a deep-cover russian plot to extend the 2016 democratic primary by one more decade

ant banks and wasp (voodoo chili), Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:09 (seven years ago)

He does? I thought he was anti sanction.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:09 (seven years ago)

His opposition to the sanctions was because they were bound up with Iran sanctions which he argued could threaten the Iran Deal.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:11 (seven years ago)

fwiw Devine has been involved in every Dem campaign going back to Kerry and Gore

how strange that those tweets don't mention this

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:12 (seven years ago)

"was in touch with" cmon guys this is bullshit barely even worth dignifying

If that's enough to tie Bernie to Putin, you might as well tie Hillary to Putin via Tony Podesta. The latter is a stronger connection.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:13 (seven years ago)

oh no, not the New York Yankees too! (well, that figures)

To make its case that Manafort committed bank and tax fraud, the lead Russia investigator signaled his intention to share with a Northern Virginia jury photographs of a putting green at the longtime GOP operative’s Long Island home, New York Yankees season-ticket licensing agreements and reams of material related to Manafort’s lobbying work on behalf of the pro-Kremlin Ukrainian government.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/18/mueller-manafort-evidence-trial-732344

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:17 (seven years ago)

Absent much in the way of details, I figured the angle was more about Russia pushing a third candidate into the race as a spoke in Clinton's wheels (a la Nixon & co. nudging Wallace along).

Pizza's the food that's sure to please! (Old Lunch), Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:18 (seven years ago)

^^ this

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:19 (seven years ago)

Pretty obvious the Russians would want to boost the candidacy of Bernie Sanders.

Chase Knobbe? Have you Courtney Cox? (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:19 (seven years ago)

Perhaps more evidence of Putin's wrath against Hillary? trying to beat her anyway possible?

Rabbit Control (Latham Green), Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:20 (seven years ago)

I meant to say 'a stick in Clinton's spokes' but you get the gist.

Pizza's the food that's sure to please! (Old Lunch), Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:22 (seven years ago)

could also be they wanted to pick this guy's brains about the democrats generally, because of his resume, and then he later got hired by bernie, because of his resume. we don't know.

This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:23 (seven years ago)

sometimes i think the permanent consultancy class that spends all its free time watching international oligarchs pick up checks might be bad for our political culture

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:25 (seven years ago)

Pretty obvious the Russians would want to boost the candidacy of Bernie Sanders.

― Chase Knobbe? Have you Courtney Cox? (Tom D.), Thursday, July 19, 2018 12:19 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Um, (1) no it isn't, (2) even if so big difference between somehow "boosting" the campaign vs infiltrating the top strategic levels of his campaign

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:25 (seven years ago)

Um, (1) yes it is, (2) I didn't say they did, did I?

Chase Knobbe? Have you Courtney Cox? (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:27 (seven years ago)

Perhaps more evidence of Putin's wrath against Hillary? trying to beat her anyway possible?

I hasn't got anything to do with Hilary, it's about causing chaos, division and uncertainty.

Chase Knobbe? Have you Courtney Cox? (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:27 (seven years ago)

There’s been reporting on Russian support of Bernie as a means of hobbling Clinton. It doesn’t sound like the Sanders or Clinton campaign knew what was going on until later. Although if you watched RT they marketed a lot of anti-Hillary conspiracies expressly to Bernie supporters

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_58c34d97e4b0ed71826cdb36/amp

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:27 (seven years ago)

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-19/senate-readies-vote-against-trump-letting-russia-grill-americans

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:28 (seven years ago)

can't wait for the "Putin wanted to help his comrade" takes

Simon H., Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:29 (seven years ago)

I hasn't got anything to do with Hilary, it's about causing chaos, division and uncertainty.

― Chase Knobbe? Have you Courtney Cox? (Tom D.), Thursday, July 19, 2018 12:27 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yes, as I keep mentioning to people, Russia's role in this thing isn't pro-anyone or anti-anyone else. It's a two-part plan, the first of which is called 'divide' (which they've been very good at). Can't remember what the second is called, but I'll get back to you.

Pizza's the food that's sure to please! (Old Lunch), Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:31 (seven years ago)

It's almost like people don't understand how Putin's government operates.

Chase Knobbe? Have you Courtney Cox? (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:32 (seven years ago)

It’s funny that the people convinced Bernie himself was intentionally trying to help Trump win don’t wonder why he didn’t just refuse to endorse her.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:32 (seven years ago)

Hillary's campaign itself promoted Trump in the GOP primary thinking he'd be an easier opponent.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:38 (seven years ago)

thanks

princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:40 (seven years ago)

"Wait, I can't control the economy?"

BREAKING @CNBC Exclusive: Trump lays into the Fed, says he's 'not thrilled' about interest rate hikes https://t.co/kwGhhHqVR5

— Christina Wilkie (@christinawilkie) July 19, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:42 (seven years ago)

Only Obama had that power

Evan, Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:44 (seven years ago)

imo the thing to always keep in mind is that external actors want to push more civil unrest and ramp up the dialogue inside the country, not only as some devious destabilizing plan but also to keep the government's attention inside the country

and more importantly, civil unrest is completely legitimate and the way to combat outside actors using it as a wedge is to give the disparate voices within our country the attention they deserve

I mean, otherwise we're back to "the black panthers are a soviet plot" or w/e

mh, Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:45 (seven years ago)

Yes we’d all be united around tepid neoliberalism if not for Russian Facebook ads brainwashing us.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:45 (seven years ago)

mh otm

difficult listening hour, Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:47 (seven years ago)

I mean, otherwise we're back to "the black panthers are a soviet plot" or w/e

a decent number of current conspiracy assholes actually believe (or claim to believe) this about BLM

Simon H., Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:47 (seven years ago)

Some people lean way too heavily on the “pied piper strategy” nonsense because their identity requires they continue being mad at liberals instead of the current fascist president. But it’s also so inherently comical to think that the media wouldn’t have given lots of coverage to the crazy celebrity’s presidential campaign had not the Hillary campaign made them somehow. Might be better to reckon with the reality that Trump supporters exist and helped him win the GOP primary probably.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:48 (seven years ago)

xp yup, and they're complete dipshits

mh, Thursday, 19 July 2018 17:48 (seven years ago)

CYBERFIGHTS - RUSSIA 1 USA 0

Rabbit Control (Latham Green), Thursday, 19 July 2018 18:05 (seven years ago)

Empty Wheel said revelations will be shocking

No they won't.

I am seriously wondering why this fantasy persists. The fantasy, I mean, of a shocking future news development that will totally change things. We get a "tick tick" tweet so often it's background noise.

Nothing changes, except one's weariness with the constant barrage.

Meanwhile Tom D. and O. Lunch are right: chaos IS the strategy. It doesn't need to be more 8-dimensional-chess-esque complicated than that.

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 19 July 2018 18:20 (seven years ago)

"a decent number of current conspiracy assholes actually believe (or claim to believe) this about BLM"

it hasn't helped that several large scale BLM FB groups turned out to be Russian controlled

akm, Thursday, 19 July 2018 18:22 (seven years ago)

No they won't.

They might be.

Per your point, yeah, chaos etc. But precision -- relative, probably never truly complete -- acts as a refocusing point as time continues. Each new indictment has provided more in the way of details, names, etc. By shifting from a chaotic state ("Something happened, meddling, collusion, etc") to a focused one ("Okay, this person did this or is accused of doing this"), things change at least a little. And shock can happen, thus the reaction to Devine's involvement -- at once not shocking (political operators are unsurprisingly doing political operating) and more than a little surprising.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 July 2018 18:28 (seven years ago)

Meanwhile Tom D. and O. Lunch are right: chaos IS the strategy. It doesn't need to be more 8-dimensional-chess-esque complicated than that.

― nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, July 19, 2018

yup. cf brexit

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Thursday, 19 July 2018 18:29 (seven years ago)

Some time in the 1960s, my mom went to then-West Germany as a student. She had a German roommate who was fascinated by American culture. But this woman often got it wrong, and would never admit that she knew less than the actual American in the room. Upon seeing popcorn, possibly for the first time, the roommate sneered, "Oh, I know what that is. You put milk on it and eat it for breakfast."

Which is a long way of idly speculating whether there is a Russian equivalent of munching_popcorn.gif.

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 19 July 2018 18:34 (seven years ago)

Brb gonna pour soy milk over my Orville Redenbacher.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 19 July 2018 18:36 (seven years ago)

SCOOP: Putin tells his diplomats he made ANOTHER offer to Trump -- hold a referendum in Crimea on its future. Trump asked Putin NOT to disclose it so that he could consider it.https://t.co/Vi5ZDJTf8T

— Kevin Whitelaw (@KevinWhitelaw1) July 19, 2018

mookieproof, Thursday, 19 July 2018 18:37 (seven years ago)

Problems, problems

Cornyn just made a beeline into McConnell’s office. Says “It’s a little up in the air right now” when asked about the pending vote on Russia wanting to question US officials. Intel Cmte Chair Burr just went into McConnell’s office

— Chad Pergram (@ChadPergram) July 19, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 July 2018 18:39 (seven years ago)

Feel like we can expect to see people leaving diplomatic jobs in droves very soon.

Pizza's the food that's sure to please! (Old Lunch), Thursday, 19 July 2018 18:40 (seven years ago)

i feel like i read stuff about devine ages ago

global tetrahedron, Thursday, 19 July 2018 18:42 (seven years ago)

White House, Following Backlash, Rules Out Russian Interrogation of Americans

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/19/630492438/washington-to-trump-dont-grant-russian-access-to-americans

a shomin-geki poster with some horror elements (WilliamC), Thursday, 19 July 2018 18:42 (seven years ago)

Would, would not, er.

SCOOP: Putin tells his diplomats he made ANOTHER offer to Trump -- hold a referendum in Crimea on its future. Trump asked Putin NOT to disclose it so that he could consider it.https://t.co/Vi5ZDJTf8T

— Kevin Whitelaw (@KevinWhitelaw1) July 19, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 July 2018 18:43 (seven years ago)

Separately, huh. What was this guy's deal?

McConnell cancelled the planned Senate vote to confirm Assistant US Attorney for Oregon Ryan Bounds to be US Circuit Judge for Ninth Circuit: “The nomination will be withdrawn.”

— Craig Caplan (@CraigCaplan) July 19, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 July 2018 19:00 (seven years ago)

Tim Scott wouldn’t vote for the judge.

— Steven Dennis (@StevenTDennis) July 19, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 July 2018 19:01 (seven years ago)

Sen. Tim Scott (S.C.), the only African-American member of Senate GOP conference, tells leaders that he can't vote for 9th Circuit Court nom Ryan Bounds because of racially insensitive remarks. Told leaders he need more time to review Bounds. McConnell withdraws nomination.

— Alex Bolton (@alexanderbolton) July 19, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 July 2018 19:02 (seven years ago)

WOW >> GOP source familiar tells me that Tim Scott raised concerns to Rubio about Bounds’ past writings. Rubio pledged to vote “no” alongside Scott and more Republicans were “heading to no.” Then McConnell withdrew.

— Andrew Desiderio (@desiderioDC) July 19, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 July 2018 19:08 (seven years ago)

Pergram also says: "His withdrawal is connected to inflammatory writings by Bounds when he was an undergrad at Stanford on race, gay rights, sexual assault & labor policy."

Dan S, Thursday, 19 July 2018 19:08 (seven years ago)

and yet they all voted to confirm their good buddy Jefferson Beauregard Sessions as Attorney General.

evol j, Thursday, 19 July 2018 19:09 (seven years ago)

there is no way Rubio would've voted No

frogbs, Thursday, 19 July 2018 19:09 (seven years ago)

damn, must've been some extra spicy racism

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 19 July 2018 19:13 (seven years ago)

ah the Stanford Review strikes again

droit au butt (Euler), Thursday, 19 July 2018 19:20 (seven years ago)

otm

It’s much bigger than collusion. It encompasses many decades during which political officials have evaded accountability for broken laws and illicit foreign contacts, and business and corporate elites have skirted punishment for outright fraud. It’s a problem that, ironically, Trump hammered home in the campaign: that there’s a different set of rules for elites than for normal people. It just happens that Trump knows that because he, for decades now, has been taking advantage of elite impunity.

https://www.vox.com/2018/7/19/17581546/donald-trump-russia-collusion-elite-impunity-immunity-torture-iran-contra-financial-crisis

mookieproof, Thursday, 19 July 2018 19:28 (seven years ago)

donald-trump-russia-collusion-elite-impunity-immunity-torture-iran-contra-financial-crisis-watergate-teapot-dome-war-of-1812-frugality-babality-tippacanoe-tyler-too

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 19 July 2018 19:32 (seven years ago)

show the swamp

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 July 2018 19:32 (seven years ago)

really even more like Duck Soup than i anticipated

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 July 2018 19:34 (seven years ago)

so great that the American Congress has to tell the American President not to send his own people to the gulags in Russia

frogbs, Thursday, 19 July 2018 19:37 (seven years ago)

But only after some intense deliberation among themselves.

Pizza's the food that's sure to please! (Old Lunch), Thursday, 19 July 2018 19:39 (seven years ago)

it's a complex issue

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 19 July 2018 19:39 (seven years ago)

yes, US congress has demonstrated its collective distate for inhumane detention abroad

Simon H., Thursday, 19 July 2018 19:43 (seven years ago)

The most embarrassing thing about the McFaul issue is Sanders not having the competence to know it wasn’t a serious request, or the confidence to shut down the issue as foolish in the press conference.

Perversely, by treating it as a serious issue that needs congressional intervention, she ends up looking like less of a dope.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Thursday, 19 July 2018 19:47 (seven years ago)

This is correct:

6. The NSC won't look at the request. Because it's not *meant* to be looked at. It's an *intentionally absurd* request. What's outrageous is this wasn't obvious to SHS at the podium, and she lied to deflect that she didn't know/wasn't confident enough that the answer is "hell no"

— Pwn All The Things (@pwnallthethings) July 18, 2018

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Thursday, 19 July 2018 19:52 (seven years ago)

It's like someone heard me arguing on the internet and answered my prayers:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/19/opinion/trump-corporations-white-working-class.html

WICHITA, Kan. — Is the white working class an angry, backward monolith — some 90 million white Americans without college degrees, all standing around in factories and fields thumping their dirty hands with baseball bats? You might think so after two years of media fixation on this version of the aggrieved laborer: male, Caucasian, conservative, racist, sexist.

This account does white supremacy a great service in several ways: It ignores workers of color, along with humane, even progressive white workers. It allows college-educated white liberals to signal superior virtue while denying the sins of their own place and class. And it conceals well-informed, formally educated white conservatives — from middle-class suburbia to the highest ranks of influence — who voted for Donald Trump in legions.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, 19 July 2018 20:10 (seven years ago)

Well people who treated material from the leaks as scandalous definitely got played on an embarrassing level. Indictments suggest there were breaches of election infrastructure and it seems bad to not know that or hand waive that away.

Yes we’d all be united around tepid neoliberalism if not for Russian Facebook ads brainwashing us.
― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Thursday, July 19, 2018

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 19 July 2018 20:12 (seven years ago)

uhhh... regardless of the source... they *were* scandalous, unless you're used to "handwaving" away the Third Way's deathgrip on the DNC.

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 July 2018 20:19 (seven years ago)

It's like someone heard me arguing on the internet and answered my prayers:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/19/opinion/trump-corporations-white-working-class.html

WICHITA, Kan. — Is the white working class an angry, backward monolith — some 90 million white Americans without college degrees, all standing around in factories and fields thumping their dirty hands with baseball bats? You might think so after two years of media fixation on this version of the aggrieved laborer: male, Caucasian, conservative, racist, sexist.

This account does white supremacy a great service in several ways: It ignores workers of color, along with humane, even progressive white workers. It allows college-educated white liberals to signal superior virtue while denying the sins of their own place and class. And it conceals well-informed, formally educated white conservatives — from middle-class suburbia to the highest ranks of influence — who voted for Donald Trump in legions.

Believe me that sort of thing is not confined to the US, the British media is obsessed with working class Labour voters voting Brexit when a majority of Labour voters voted to Remain and it was Tory voters who were the bedrock of the Brexit vote. They also spent much of the last UK election traipsing round the country in search of working class Labour voters so disgusted by the prospect of Jeremy Corbyn as Prime Minister that they were prepared to say, preferably on camera, that they had voted Labour all their lives but would never vote for them again - in fact, Labour did much better among working class voters than anyone predicted.

Chase Knobbe? Have you Courtney Cox? (Tom D.), Thursday, 19 July 2018 20:22 (seven years ago)

"I loved our playdate! Come to my house for another!"

Trump to Invite Putin to Washington as Top Advisers Seek Details of Their Summit Talks

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/19/us/politics/trump-putin-browder-mcfaul.html

a shomin-geki poster with some horror elements (WilliamC), Thursday, 19 July 2018 20:26 (seven years ago)

regardless of the source

evergreen

princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 19 July 2018 20:26 (seven years ago)

in case you need reminders of how magnificently dumb the President is

Trump says of Marillyn Hewson, CEO of Lockheed Martin: "She makes a plane you can't see. It's stealth. F-35. I hope you can't see it, at least, right."

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) July 19, 2018

Trump begins talking about apprenticeships, then says it's an interesting word to be saying, because: "The Apprentice. I never actually put that together until just now."

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) July 19, 2018

frogbs, Thursday, 19 July 2018 20:31 (seven years ago)

Brad, w/ Debbie Wasserman-Schultz gone, you're in charge of finding a shitty nominee with big negatives. Good luck!

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 July 2018 20:49 (seven years ago)

oh damn i'm such an owned centrist thanks

princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 19 July 2018 20:50 (seven years ago)

Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats informed on stage at Aspen Security Forum that the Trump administration has invited Vladimir Putin to the White House.

"Say that again," he responds. https://t.co/RBdhdILVas pic.twitter.com/TZal1Xb4Yi

— ABC News (@ABC) July 19, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 July 2018 20:55 (seven years ago)

how long until he's former Director of National Intelligence Dan Coats

Karl Malone, Thursday, 19 July 2018 20:58 (seven years ago)

damn you knew there was a reason Q was scared of her https://t.co/dKxRXHrdBN

— alex pareene (@pareene) July 19, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 July 2018 21:14 (seven years ago)

^^ notorious star trek: the next generation hater reposts a star trek: the next generation joke, news at 11!

ian, Thursday, 19 July 2018 21:15 (seven years ago)

i thought you would appreciate it!

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 19 July 2018 21:20 (seven years ago)

whoopi goldberg otm

Karl Malone, Thursday, 19 July 2018 21:29 (seven years ago)

Hmm.

SCOOP: The three top cyber officials at the FBI are departing, a sweep of turnover that comes amid concerns about flagging morale due to Trump's repeated attacks and as U.S. security agencies have warned of unprecedented cyber threats to the country https://t.co/MEW4ZQGNoq

— Dustin Volz (@dnvolz) July 19, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 19 July 2018 22:17 (seven years ago)

A thread.

So much of this garbage is happening because, like many 73 year-old men, Trump's brain calcified in the late 1970s. To him, Russia is the most important other country. Because it was, in the late 1970s. (1/)

— Ken Tremendous (@KenTremendous) July 19, 2018

grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 19 July 2018 22:19 (seven years ago)

That misses the point that Russia genuinely is the most important other power in a lot of the areas Trump and his team care about - Syria, Iran, Iraq, etc. The broader issue is that the US obsession with the Middle East, and not with Russia specifically, has allowed China to take a much more active commercial and diplomatic role in Africa, Hispanoamerica, South Asia, etc, broadly unchallenged since the invasion of Afghanistan / Iraq.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Thursday, 19 July 2018 22:27 (seven years ago)

Oh for a world in which a continual flag, like Trump already inviting Putin to the White House after the outrage at the start of the week might cause some response.
I heard something about the interpreter being a low priority right now for Mueller's investigation. The Republican fumbling of the ball or refusal to recognise it was in play isn't going to trigger him to act on things is it? Would be a good way of actually capturing what might be lost otherwise.
Are people already naming the interpreter? I thought i heard the guy who was subbing for Chris Hayes on last night's show give a name .
Hoping not cos I would think it might be a little irresponsible.

Stevolende, Thursday, 19 July 2018 22:39 (seven years ago)

Ken Tremendous is correct that Trump's brain has ossified and many of the memes lodged in it are badly outdated, but his thread also contains a lot of made-up balderdash framed as absolute fact.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 19 July 2018 22:46 (seven years ago)

It doesn’t contain a lot of claims, and the GDP claim is sound...

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 19 July 2018 22:50 (seven years ago)

"Ken Tremendous" is Mike Schur, creator/head writer of Parks & Recreation and The Good Place, co-creator of Brooklyn Nine-Nine, and head writer of the good years of The Office: An American Workplace btw. He used to use that alias for sportswriting.

kelp, clam and carrion (sic), Thursday, 19 July 2018 22:55 (seven years ago)

It doesn’t contain a lot of claims

I must have read a different thread than you. He claims over and over again to know exactly what is in Trump's mind and why, and exactly how Putin thinks of Trump. He is no mind reader and he's a pretty half-assed political analyst.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 19 July 2018 23:08 (seven years ago)

he's ken tremendous from fire joe morgan always and forever in my heart xp

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 19 July 2018 23:08 (seven years ago)

Meantime

BREAKING:

Special master overseeing Michael Cohen probe REJECTS more than a third of his legal team’s assertions of attorney-client privilege.

Of 4,085 items designated privileged by Team Cohen, Judge Jones finds that 1,452 are not. pic.twitter.com/4Yln6iUV98

— Adam Klasfeld (@KlasfeldReports) July 19, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 July 2018 00:52 (seven years ago)

Speaking of Cohen, this is worth a read. Real estate and an exploding shitter had something to do with Cohen's switch in loyalties, it seems.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/07/michael-cohen-an-exploding-toilet-and-a-year-of-disappointment

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 July 2018 00:53 (seven years ago)

I thought the WH was the exploding toilet

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 20 July 2018 01:14 (seven years ago)

what what

El Tomboto, Friday, 20 July 2018 01:27 (seven years ago)

quality trump construction

maura, Friday, 20 July 2018 01:50 (seven years ago)

"Michael Cohen, An Exploding Toilet"

This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Friday, 20 July 2018 02:33 (seven years ago)

I’ve intentionally (and successfully) avoided listening to this weak stupid treasonous pig’s speaking voice for months, but when my wife fired up a Dem campaign ad featuring some of his greatest hits, I kind of lost my fucking mind.

There really are a lot of people in this country who should just be spit roasted alive until they can feel their own belly fat and thigh muscles falling off the bone. That’s what it’s like to get an illegal quack neighborhood abortion. Enjoy!

El Tomboto, Friday, 20 July 2018 02:47 (seven years ago)

Don't hold back, Mr. Tomboto, tell us how you really feel.

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 20 July 2018 02:57 (seven years ago)

This is a thread where I get some catharsis from ilx’s hardman going off.

circa1916, Friday, 20 July 2018 03:02 (seven years ago)

what are feelings

El Tomboto, Friday, 20 July 2018 03:02 (seven years ago)

they are mostly how mammals make decisions

Hunt3r, Friday, 20 July 2018 03:10 (seven years ago)

WATCH: Reporter breaks news to Trump Intel chief that Trump invited Putin to Washington https://t.co/zoUmtwPq6i pic.twitter.com/0KqL7uiZCZ

— The Hill (@thehill) July 19, 2018

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 20 July 2018 03:21 (seven years ago)

Sorry posted up thread. I'm drunk and all that

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 20 July 2018 03:22 (seven years ago)

What the fuck school did anyone go to where they didn’t encounter a dozen of Trump’s type dunking skinny kids in the urinal, or making up stories about fucking cheerleaders, or cheating off of C students so they could get a D and not an F? What category of fucking moron do you have to be to listen to, much less watch this man, and think he’s worth any vote?

I have a long hill to climb respecting anyone who would elect this obvious pantagruel-wannabe to a pest control position, much less the highest office in the land. And then some good old Raised-As-A-Christian types want to remind me I’m supposed to respect the phenomenally stupid choices of my neighbors and feel bad when they get fucked in the ass because they backed a soft bully.

Fuck ‘em. And especially, fuck him. Boiling oil on all of them. I know from bullies and the sorts that pile on behind them. They belong in the fucking zoo if they belong anywhere at all.

El Tomboto, Friday, 20 July 2018 03:23 (seven years ago)

idk my high school graduating class was like 500 people and I swear I had never seen a quarter of them in my life. most of us had a lot of shit to deal with and didn’t have the time to abuse each other

mh, Friday, 20 July 2018 04:14 (seven years ago)

Oh well thank god for your anecdotal experience, now we know that Trump voters might not be exactly what every poll says they are

El Tomboto, Friday, 20 July 2018 04:17 (seven years ago)

Or rather, lucky fucking you that sounds like a really dreamy high school

El Tomboto, Friday, 20 July 2018 04:21 (seven years ago)

The NYT ran a profile of the Democratic nominee in a W.Va. congressional district who's a 47-year-old veteran, anti-gun-background checks, pro-ICE, but hey he's gotta play in that district...

and -- it's kind of a funny story -- he voted for Trump less than 21 months ago.

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 July 2018 04:53 (seven years ago)

BUT HEY, FUCK, HE'S A "D"

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 July 2018 04:54 (seven years ago)

my high school graduating class was like 500 people
Christ, my whole school was barely double that, I cant imagine 500 people in my year alone.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Friday, 20 July 2018 04:56 (seven years ago)

lol Morbius can’t stop baiting in these threads for even 24 hours

El Tomboto, Friday, 20 July 2018 04:59 (seven years ago)

In the middle of the night no less

devops mom (silby), Friday, 20 July 2018 05:08 (seven years ago)

“I always feel like/Morbius is baiting meeee.”

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 July 2018 06:24 (seven years ago)

and i got no purity

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 20 July 2018 07:50 (seven years ago)

r3dnecks never stop baiting

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 July 2018 10:59 (seven years ago)

cottoneyejoe.wav

BIG RICHARD ENERGY (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 20 July 2018 11:05 (seven years ago)

12:54 a.m. is only the middle of the night in your burg, silby, not in NYNY

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 July 2018 11:51 (seven years ago)

Why did you googleproof rednecks

El Tomboto, Friday, 20 July 2018 11:59 (seven years ago)

This will end well.

The chances of a longer, wider, more damaging trade war with China are rising, top officials tell us.

Why it matters: President Trump is spoiling for escalation. And China is ready to retaliate and out-wait America. Here’s why it could be even worse than you think.

If you are China, playing the long game with 2025 and 2050 strategies for world dominance, why not sucker Trump into a massive trade war now?

• It would hurt both nations badly. But a state-run government can do more to artificially prop up its economy than a capitalistic one.
• A true, full-blown trade war could cripple U.S. markets, sow more internal division in America, and throw the Trump presidency into chaos you can’t cure with tweets or bravado.
• If you are deeply calculating and cynical, the chances of Trump losing Congress rise if the economy tanks — virtually assuring highly divisive impeachment proceedings.

Meanwhile, Trump told CNBC's Joe Kernen that he's "ready" to put tariffs on every Chinese good imported to the U.S. — worth $505 billion.

Dow futures fell 120 points on the news.

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 20 July 2018 12:01 (seven years ago)

good mourning, Yelploaf!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 July 2018 12:09 (seven years ago)

...cripple U.S. markets, sow more internal division in America, and throw the Trump presidency into chaos you can’t cure with tweets or bravado.

What fucking imbecile wrote this? Have another cup of coffee, pal, maybe unscrew your head out of your ass and take a fucking look around.

If you are deeply calculating and cynical any smarter than fucking kumquat, the chances of Trump losing Congress rise if the economy tanks — virtually assuring highly divisive impeachment proceedings.

Whomever put that piece together is a goddamn moron and should be fired. Thanks for the link.

El Tomboto, Friday, 20 July 2018 12:10 (seven years ago)

haha

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 20 July 2018 12:15 (seven years ago)

I've been saying it like a mantra: GOP cares about gettin' paid. Trump starts to fuck with their bank, he's fucked.

Pizza's the food that's sure to please! (Old Lunch), Friday, 20 July 2018 12:17 (seven years ago)

I've been saying it like a mantra: GOP cares about gettin' paid trolling.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 July 2018 12:24 (seven years ago)

why-not-both.gif

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 20 July 2018 12:30 (seven years ago)

This level of pettiness is almost unimaginable in any other circumstance: https://citizen.co.za/news/south-africa/1982791/trump-leaves-obama-out-in-the-cold-in-sa

The Mandela 100 commemoration became a mini battlefield in the ongoing US political war this week, as the Trump administration ordered that Barack Obama not be given any assistance other than security arrangements by the American embassy in South Africa.

The high-profile visit by the former president was mainly arranged and coordinated by the Nelson Mandela and Obama foundations, with no assistance from the US embassy in Pretoria – a break from the diplomatic tradition of offering support to any visiting American leader.

None of the US embassy staff had to play any role due to “instructions by Washington” that Obama should not be provided any assistance, according to a highly placed source.

In the past, the US embassy has always provided full support to any visiting American leader regardless of party affiliation.

Eliza D., Friday, 20 July 2018 12:37 (seven years ago)

It’s unimaginable now.

El Tomboto, Friday, 20 July 2018 12:44 (seven years ago)

I've been saying it like a mantra: GOP cares about gettin' paid. Trump starts to fuck with their bank, he's fucked.

― Pizza's the food that's sure to please! (Old Lunch)

of course they care about getting paid, everybody does, but to get paid they have to stay in power. as long as he has the entire republican electorate in his pocket, none of them are willing to openly oppose him. he can tank the economy. hell, he could start a nuclear war. the republican leadership is not going to openly act against him.

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Friday, 20 July 2018 12:49 (seven years ago)

What the fuck school did anyone go to where they didn’t encounter a dozen of Trump’s type dunking skinny kids in the urinal, or making up stories about fucking cheerleaders, or cheating off of C students so they could get a D and not an F? What category of fucking moron do you have to be to listen to, much less watch this man, and think he’s worth any vote?


aren’t those morons the reason that trump types were often referred to as “the popular kids”

maura, Friday, 20 July 2018 12:54 (seven years ago)

I have never wished so hard for someone to become the middle segment of a human centipede, but it feels like the only way for justice to ever truly be served in this case.

My favorite planet is the planet of Earth (Old Lunch), Friday, 20 July 2018 12:56 (seven years ago)

Who is the end segment? Oh right that’s Pence.

El Tomboto, Friday, 20 July 2018 13:08 (seven years ago)

maura otm, god I fucking hate people

El Tomboto, Friday, 20 July 2018 13:09 (seven years ago)

Pence can be sewn in wherever you can fit him as long as you make sure you sew his wife to his side in the event that there are any women in the centipede.

My favorite planet is the planet of Earth (Old Lunch), Friday, 20 July 2018 13:11 (seven years ago)

McConnell's gotta be in there somewhere

frogbs, Friday, 20 July 2018 13:12 (seven years ago)

definitely gotta put santa in there

Impossible Burgermeat. Unlikely Seitan. (Sufjan Grafton), Friday, 20 July 2018 13:23 (seven years ago)

http://theweek.com/speedreads/785888/gop-rep-hurd-says-trump-being-manipulated-by-putin

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 20 July 2018 13:24 (seven years ago)

I'm starting to wonder whether this Donald Trump fellow might not be the smart and capable man I'd imagined him to be. Perhaps it would have been wise to consult observable reality when I formed my initial opinion.

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Friday, 20 July 2018 13:39 (seven years ago)

googleproof rednecks

new band name, i call it!

ant banks and wasp (voodoo chili), Friday, 20 July 2018 13:42 (seven years ago)

Government by human centipede has worked great til now but gop knows if youre not the head segment the menu never changes.

Hunt3r, Friday, 20 July 2018 13:45 (seven years ago)

Like El T said re: the dozens of Trumps, this blog post about Paul Ryan being a POS in school stuck in the memory. I picture Ryan, Trump, etc. as the instigators with larger, dumber cronies doing their dirty work.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Friday, 20 July 2018 13:48 (seven years ago)

from neanderthal's link:

It's up to lawmakers to "fulfill our oversight duty as well as keep the American people informed of the current danger," Hurd said, and he's been asked by constituents what Congress can do to protect Americans from Russian interference. Hurd said "if necessary," the U.S. should "send lethal weaponry to assist Ukraine in its fight against Russian-backed separatists," continue to enact sanctions, and fund intelligence agencies so they can have "the tools they need to confront Moscow and prevent this from happening in the future."

yes, the answer these thorny problems is almost certainly getting meddling in another country's affairs and further expanding the reach of intelligence agencies, good job government man

BIG RICHARD ENERGY (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 20 July 2018 13:51 (seven years ago)

woo some garbled syntax there, i knew i shouldn't have eaten two doughnuts this afternoon

BIG RICHARD ENERGY (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 20 July 2018 13:51 (seven years ago)

Congratulations on eating ten fewer donuts than I have to consume every morning to stifle my otherwise uncontrollable weeping.

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Friday, 20 July 2018 13:56 (seven years ago)

multi-xp: he is somewhat tall, and he is very assertive about his decisions. those seem to be popular reasons to promote someone to a position of authority

mh, Friday, 20 July 2018 14:03 (seven years ago)

wrote a little something to try and make sense of things

http://shoutinginabucket.blogspot.com/2018/07/18-month-check-in.html

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Friday, 20 July 2018 14:10 (seven years ago)

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-some-early-high-quality-polls-can-tell-us-about-the-race-for-the-house/

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 July 2018 14:17 (seven years ago)

Maura otm

Legalize dreams (Ross), Friday, 20 July 2018 14:35 (seven years ago)

https://i.imgur.com/iMzGZpP.png

frogbs, Friday, 20 July 2018 14:42 (seven years ago)

When it comes to money, this bit of shoutiness has a relevance:

AMERICAN INSTITUTE FOR INTERNATIONAL STEEL SEEKS TO END ENFORCEMENT OF SECTION 232 STEEL TARIFFS WITH SUMMARY JUDGMENT FILING https://t.co/KlainupmZ2

— Simon Lester (@snlester) July 20, 2018

In looking up this group, note the connections:

http://www.aiis.org/executive-staff/

For that first guy there, for instance, he's worked with Grassley and Portman before. All business troll chumminess, but I suspect similar kinds of actions/chips being cashed in will spread, even if it's only meant to be a 'are you CRAZY someone stop him FFS' flare.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 July 2018 15:18 (seven years ago)

Ohhhhhh yeahhhhh
Michael Cohen Secretly Taped Trump Discussing Payment to Playboy Model

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/20/us/politics/michael-cohen-trump-tape.html

a shomin-geki poster with some horror elements (WilliamC), Friday, 20 July 2018 15:42 (seven years ago)

From the insanely left-wing, @ggreenwald-loving precincts of the Brookings Institution and European Council of Foreign Relations. https://t.co/7E6bqG982i pic.twitter.com/pkB11R7eDq

— corey robin (@CoreyRobin) July 20, 2018

At the Helsinki press conference, one could almost see the moment that Putin realized that Trump had gone too far and that it would blow back against Russia in U.S. domestic politics. At the very end, after Trump had failed to even mention America’s opposition to Russia’s annexation of Crimea, Putin felt the need to spell out Trump’s position for him: “The posture of President Trump on Crimea is well known, and he stands firmly by it. He continues to maintain that it was illegal to annex it.” Even after Putin’s helpful prompt, Trump failed to step up and condemn the annexation, instead choosing to use his final intervention to once again bash the FBI. From the standpoint of the operative in the Kremlin, this episode neatly encapsulates the difference between a useful idiot and just an idiot.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/07/19/the-manchurian-idiot-helsinki-putin-trump/

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 July 2018 15:47 (seven years ago)

xpost Noice.

Clearly, people should be soliciting hot takes from Giuliani on the regular. Dude has zero control over his mouth.

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Friday, 20 July 2018 15:48 (seven years ago)

He'd better hope there aren't tapes.

Oh.

Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Friday, 20 July 2018 15:54 (seven years ago)

“Nothing in that conversation suggests that he had any knowledge of it in advance,” Mr. Giuliani said, adding that Mr. Trump had directed Mr. Cohen that if he were to make a payment related to the woman, write a check, rather than sending cash, so it could be properly documented.


ummmmm

BIG RICHARD ENERGY (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 20 July 2018 16:00 (seven years ago)

leaked to the nyt by stable genius giuliani then?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 20 July 2018 16:01 (seven years ago)

Piss tape or go home

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 July 2018 16:03 (seven years ago)

o boi a shocking bombshell that will change nothing

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 20 July 2018 16:04 (seven years ago)

otm

sleeve, Friday, 20 July 2018 16:05 (seven years ago)

It's all about the slow accretion, folks. The emphasis on game-changing bombshells is the completely wrong way to think about this.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 July 2018 16:06 (seven years ago)

And by that I mean, this new bit IS part of that slow accretion. Treat it as such but don't ignore it either.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 July 2018 16:07 (seven years ago)

huge chunk of voting public can't follow the plot of a superhero movie all that well, I don't have much confidence that they'll follow years-long real life politics plot

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 20 July 2018 16:10 (seven years ago)

a shocking bombshell that will change nothing

change nothing in the moment, for us, here on ilx

there is a possibility that it will be eventually be added to a laundry list of charges against president dipshit (violation of campaign finance laws)

Karl Malone, Friday, 20 July 2018 16:12 (seven years ago)

US Politics, August 2019: A slow, painful excretion

Get aboard the flappy bird, departing gate 19 (Dan Peterson), Friday, 20 July 2018 16:12 (seven years ago)

xpost to Granny D: Not the way to think about it either. This isn't a well-plotted (or poorly-plotted) drama. Things will emerge and happen as they do.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 July 2018 16:12 (seven years ago)

It's all about the slow accretion, folks. The emphasis on game-changing bombshells is the completely wrong way to think about this.

ned otm, although i have trouble following the advice as well! it doesn't help that 1) media is oriented around game-changing bombshells, and 2) many people (including myself) already think he's clearly clearly guilty of many impeachable offenses so every morsel that could possibly lead to it is so tantalizing

Karl Malone, Friday, 20 July 2018 16:14 (seven years ago)

I have a hard time following (and sometimes identifying) the plots of superhero movies tbf. xps

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Friday, 20 July 2018 16:15 (seven years ago)

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger) at 11:10 20 Jul 18

huge chunk of voting public can't follow the plot of a superhero movie all that well, I don't have much confidence that they'll follow years-long real life politics plot

to be fair most superhero movie plots are completely convoluted and make no sense

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 20 July 2018 16:15 (seven years ago)

jinx

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 20 July 2018 16:16 (seven years ago)

re: accretion and the possibility that this eventually yields x: i'd add, or, the possibility that this maybe, eventually assists daniels and avenatti in their lawsuit, and maybe that one plays out in such a way that it's enough to shake maybe 2% of republicans, or 5% of republican women or something, from "strongly approve" to "approve," and this in combination with a thousand other things, adds up to the couple percentage points of weaker turnout that is needed to flip the house.

not exciting by itself but that's what one gets for following the 24-hour news cycle in which all these incremental things are discussed as if they're bombshells (they would have been, 40 years ago) for a day and then disappear. totally respect anybody who just checks out on that and waits for the later payoff. these are not the most important things happening right now. but that's not the same as these things not mattering and affecting nothing. and most of the most important things happening right now are incredibly demoralizing so i also grok anybody who does put some chips on this stuff if it keeps them out of an abyss of fatalism etc.

This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Friday, 20 July 2018 16:18 (seven years ago)

xps right but "slow accretion" depends on people who don't already loathe Trump and don't even care about politics to be at least peripherally paying attn to all this stuff and then remembering it when deciding how to vote. a "bombshell" is hoped for because there was already tons of negative stuff out there about Trump but "low info voters" ie most Americans none of it even registered. I'm sure some "ordinary" Americans are just sick of hearing/seeing their Prez do dumb shit on the daily but I'm skeptical they are a significant %.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 20 July 2018 16:18 (seven years ago)

these incremental things are discussed as if they're bombshells (they would have been, 40 years ago)

it's a good point that they would have been bombshells in the past, and i'd argue more like 4 years ago

Karl Malone, Friday, 20 July 2018 16:20 (seven years ago)

At the risk of relying too much on the past, Watergate was also a case of slow accretion as well, and ultimately the unthinkable was just that until it wasn't. For many reasons this can't and won't be that same path; that much is already clear. I wouldn't call what I'm doing reacting against an abyss of fatalism, rather just me wondering where it goes next -- and there's so many moving parts that I just note them as I can.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 July 2018 16:22 (seven years ago)

remember when the iran contra thing totally sunk reagan

mh, Friday, 20 July 2018 16:23 (seven years ago)

It's a little helpful for me to reflect on the fact that Woodward and Bernstein didn't really see the big picture of what they were reporting on for a while and that most of the public didn't care (see: the 1972 presidential election) and that attempts to tie the Watergate shenanigans to the WH were often pooh-poohed as conspiratorial folderol. We won't know for some time how this will all resolve itself (probably not with the impeachment or prosecution of Trump, let's be real), but I'm glad people are out there sliding pieces of the puzzle into place.

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Friday, 20 July 2018 16:23 (seven years ago)

Ned gets it, as usual.

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Friday, 20 July 2018 16:24 (seven years ago)

In case it's not clear, I endorse the Mueller Method. I just wanted to type "Piss tape or go home."

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 July 2018 16:25 (seven years ago)

i think we all stand behind that

Karl Malone, Friday, 20 July 2018 16:27 (seven years ago)

my hopeful vision of the future is that by the time the piss tape is released, trump will already be out of office and the only people who care about the tape will be horny #MAGA diehards

Karl Malone, Friday, 20 July 2018 16:28 (seven years ago)

US Politics August 2019: doubly negative

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 20 July 2018 16:31 (seven years ago)

Also, Maria Butina apparently kept a diary. Pro tip: if you are going to engage in illegal or suspect activity, it may be to your advantage to not keep detailed records of said activity.

— Adam Rawnsley (@arawnsley) July 20, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 July 2018 16:35 (seven years ago)

The percentage of Americans who "followed" Watergate was not all that high. (As has been said often, the opp party controlled Congress.)

remember when the iran contra thing totally sunk reagan

It kinda did! But it was the second half of his second term, so... (and his dementia was not revealed).

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 July 2018 16:38 (seven years ago)

in 5-7 of this thread Mariotti argues that a campaign finance violation is possible but not likely to be charged as a crime. bank fraud more likely (cohen lying to bank about what how he was going to use loan money)

Karl Malone, Friday, 20 July 2018 16:48 (seven years ago)

A source also tells our @DanaBashCNN & @GloriaBorger that upon learning of the tapes, Trump remarked, “I can’t believe Michael would do this to me." https://t.co/ocJFGYqo7d

— Allie Malloy (@AlliemalCNN) July 20, 2018

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 20 July 2018 17:02 (seven years ago)

hate2find out that my insanely loyal lawyer who i treated like dogshit for years might have finally wised up and taken steps to shaft me

BIG RICHARD ENERGY (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 20 July 2018 17:04 (seven years ago)

it is highly unusual for a lawyer to secretly tape their client, right? so maybe he is genuinely surprised right now (unless his team learned of the existence of the tapes earlier, when the special master was sifting through evidence to determine what was privileged?)

Karl Malone, Friday, 20 July 2018 17:05 (seven years ago)

tbf I suspect DJT is surprised frequently by many, many things

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 20 July 2018 17:06 (seven years ago)

a life in perpetual wonder

Karl Malone, Friday, 20 July 2018 17:09 (seven years ago)

remember that story about DJT secretly taping everyone at Mar-a-Lago?

frogbs, Friday, 20 July 2018 17:10 (seven years ago)

I’d imagine it goes back to the anecdotes about how other lawyers would make sure at least two of them were in the room when talking to him because he’d contradict himself constantly and claim he never said things

Cohen having what he actually said would be a backup when Trump goes, “I told you to pay that guy off!” and later claims “I told you never to give that guy any money!”

mh, Friday, 20 July 2018 17:11 (seven years ago)

*looks at players, field*
“that’s weird donnie because NOBODY, AND I MEAN NOBODY, could believe he would not do.”
Xp

Hunt3r, Friday, 20 July 2018 17:12 (seven years ago)

working for Trump means you know at some point he’s going to dump you and then make shit up about your business dealings

mh, Friday, 20 July 2018 17:13 (seven years ago)

I cannot imagine speaking to someone as slimy as Donald Trump in private and not C-ing my A with every piece of surveillance equipment imaginable.

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Friday, 20 July 2018 17:33 (seven years ago)

Hey, what do you think Putin was doing in Helsinki? That's all on tape.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 July 2018 17:34 (seven years ago)

this is a handy summary, worth quoting in full

In 2016, the campaign of the Republican nominee for president was approached multiple times by representatives of the Russian government offering to help them win the election. These offers were welcomed with enthusiasm. The campaign was also led for a time by a political consultant with deep financial and personal ties to a Russian oligarch and a Kremlin puppet in Ukraine.

Multiple members of the Trump team had contacts with the Russian government that they later lied to conceal.

As part of its attack on the American electoral system, Russian intelligence hacked into Democratic Party systems. Some of the information it found there was released publicly and promoted gleefully by Republicans at all levels in order to help the Trump campaign; information relating to downballot campaigns was passed to Republicans who used it in order to maintain their hold on the House of Representatives.

Amid the insistence from the intelligence community that in 2018 Russia will likely attempt to once again penetrate the computer systems of state election agencies, Republicans this week killed an effort to provide funding to states to bolster the security of their election systems.

As part of a lengthy effort to infiltrate the National Rifle Association, an important Republican interest group, an alleged Russian spy began a romance with a Republican activist, met multiple Republican leaders, and fostered a relationship between American gun advocates and Russians. On the night of Trump’s victory, she messaged “I am ready for further orders” to her handler, a Russian banker named Alexander Torshin who is close to Putin.

The NRA dramatically increased its spending on the 2016 presidential campaign from past years, pouring $30 million into their effort to elect Trump. The FBI is investigating whether that money may have illegally come from Russia, funneled to the organization by Torshin.

The Trump administration has announced a change to IRS rules so that groups like the NRA will no longer have to identify their donors on their tax forms, making such money almost impossible to trace in the future.

Over the last few years, the Christian right, another key part of the GOP coalition, has grown increasingly close to Putin, whom they see as an ally in a global clash of civilizations between Christianity and Islam.

In Congress, Republicans have undertaken an aggressive campaign to discredit and, many of them plainly hope, shut down the probe into the Russian attack on America. Though they mounted seven separate investigations of Benghazi, they are nearly united in their position that no further investigation into a hostile foreign power’s attempt to manipulate the American electoral system is necessary.

Fox News, which functions as the propaganda arm of the Republican Party, has aired relentless attacks on the Russia investigation and calls for it to be shut down.

Despite the mountain of unambiguous evidence of the Russian attack in 2016, the overwhelming majority of Republican voters continue to say no such attack occurred.

Hard-core Trump supporters are beginning to argue that even if Russia did attack the American electoral system, it was actually a good thing because it helped Donald Trump get elected.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/07/20/the-entire-republican-party-is-becoming-a-russian-asset

Karl Malone, Friday, 20 July 2018 17:35 (seven years ago)

Okay now I'm kinda on board with Exhuming McCarthy

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 20 July 2018 17:38 (seven years ago)

the last sentence is the key there, they simply do not care about any of this.

sleeve, Friday, 20 July 2018 17:41 (seven years ago)

a house committee on unamerican activities is just what we need

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 20 July 2018 17:42 (seven years ago)

This has been an excruciating two year wait for every denialist to feel like they have to space to just honestly say “I don’t care if it’s true”

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 20 July 2018 17:44 (seven years ago)

i offer up the history of 2017-18 as evidence that it can always, always get worse

Karl Malone, Friday, 20 July 2018 17:44 (seven years ago)

this already is happening btw

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/07/16/this-c-span-caller-thinks-russia-meddled-and-shes-glad-about-it/?utm_term=.df0d790df0ed

global tetrahedron, Friday, 20 July 2018 17:46 (seven years ago)

“I want to thank Russia for interfering in our election to stop Hillary Clinton from becoming president.” https://t.co/WWSuDWuwEx

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) July 16, 2018

global tetrahedron, Friday, 20 July 2018 17:47 (seven years ago)

BTW Cohen's only tweet today:

I have known Rev for almost 20 years. No one better to talk to! https://t.co/3XEoHqhQyU

— Michael Cohen (@MichaelCohen212) July 20, 2018

The 'Rev' in question is one Al Sharpton.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 July 2018 17:47 (seven years ago)

Ah I see it embedded that too. Good to know!

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 July 2018 17:47 (seven years ago)

it is highly unusual for a lawyer to secretly tape their client, right?

yeah in law school they tell you should ONLY do it if you're not engaging in criminal conspiracy

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 20 July 2018 17:48 (seven years ago)

these are the fuckers who lose their mind when a football man don't stand for the anthem

frogbs, Friday, 20 July 2018 17:48 (seven years ago)

Cohen should have watched the wire

the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Friday, 20 July 2018 17:51 (seven years ago)

that Waldman piece really lays is all out

Dan S, Friday, 20 July 2018 17:52 (seven years ago)

Indeed. Bookmarked.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 20 July 2018 17:57 (seven years ago)

Not sure if Alex Jones can be considered a canary in the coalmine for these freaks but he was saying a while back that the Russians are the "whites knights" in all of this.

burzum buddies (brownie), Friday, 20 July 2018 17:57 (seven years ago)

lol "white knights" (works either way I guess)

burzum buddies (brownie), Friday, 20 July 2018 17:58 (seven years ago)

well i'm just a crazy guy at his living room table, prone to assuming the worst, buuuuut this whole situation is just unbelievably discomforting. remember the reports a few months ago about ~THE RUSSIANS~ successfully hacking critical infrastructure across the country - electric grid, water supplies, even nuclear plants? imagine the chaos that would erupt if power went out for a big chunk of the country, the outage was blamed on Russians, and then Trump/GOP say the Russians didn't do it?

Karl Malone, Friday, 20 July 2018 17:58 (seven years ago)

coulda just been some loser in a basement, yanno

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 20 July 2018 17:59 (seven years ago)

I suppose you want us to confront Rus about it and therefore start WWIII huh. Now if you'll excuse me I have to go hurl insults and threats at a rogue nuclear power.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 20 July 2018 18:02 (seven years ago)

just saying, when you have the entire political system on one side (executive, both houses of congress, and now the clear majority of the supreme court) of russia, along with about 35% of the country, who disproportionally own all the guns, the intelligence community + liberals on the other, and the vast majority of this dipshit nation just sitting it out and not paying attention, all russia has to do is provoke an incident that causes physical harm to people and then watch the two sides escalate against each other.

Karl Malone, Friday, 20 July 2018 18:02 (seven years ago)

brb going to buy a bunch of cliff bars and lentils

Karl Malone, Friday, 20 July 2018 18:03 (seven years ago)

I suppose you want us to confront Rus about it and therefore start WWIII huh

not at all, i would settle for kicking the guy who is openly working for russia out of the oval office, and that's not gonna happen til the mid-terms at the very earliest, and may not happen at all. i'm just saying, this is a very fragile time, this current period before the elections when we can literally do nothing

Karl Malone, Friday, 20 July 2018 18:05 (seven years ago)

wait, i thought it was just the Grifter and his hardcore hillbillies who like Russia

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 July 2018 18:06 (seven years ago)

D.T. Grifter and His Hardcore Hillbillies are an American rock band formed in 1973 in Macon, Georgia, who have toured extensively and played to packed arenas worldwide. [1] Known for their crowd-pleasing arena rock style, the band was well-regarded by audiences despite a relative lack of critical acclaim.[2]

This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Friday, 20 July 2018 18:21 (seven years ago)

Someone like ShariVari may have a particular perspective on this but I found Adam Davidson's latest piece yesterday useful re how viewing 'Russia' as a monolith led by Putin when multiple interests are at work can be a potential oversimplification:

https://www.newyorker.com/news-desk/swamp-chronicles/a-theory-of-trump-kompromat

An excerpt:

Alena Ledeneva, a professor of politics at University College London and an expert on Russia’s political and business practices, describes kompromat as being more than a single powerful figure weaponizing damning evidence to blackmail a target. She explained that to make sense of kompromat it is essential to understand the weakness of formal legal institutions in Russia and other former Soviet states. Ledeneva argued that wealth and power are distributed through networks of political figures and businesspeople who follow unspoken rules, in an informal hierarchy that she calls sistema, or system. Sistema has a few clear rules—do not defy Putin being the most obvious one—and a toolkit for controlling potentially errant members. It is primarily a system of ambiguity. Each person in sistema wonders where he stands and monitors the relative positions of friends and rivals.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 July 2018 18:39 (seven years ago)

that is useful, but it also seems (no offense to you in particular Ned) kind of obvious? I mean, take out the russian jargon and isn't that just kind of how politics/power work?

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 20 July 2018 18:45 (seven years ago)

I've had a couple briefings on sistema this year, you will not be surprised to learn

El Tomboto, Friday, 20 July 2018 18:45 (seven years ago)

It's always an oversimplification. The world is openly cursing a USA which is vastly different than the one represented, for instance, by those posting in this thread. I can't even imagine how many poor bastards in Russia hate the living fuck out of Putin and his garbage ideology.

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Friday, 20 July 2018 18:46 (seven years ago)

in Russia, sistema is endemic and it is everywhere. in the US you can find pockets of similar bullshit - new york real estate is definitely one! but it is not actually how our entire country works.

yet.

El Tomboto, Friday, 20 July 2018 18:46 (seven years ago)

Seems familiar, I've watched The Americans.

btw Cohen's friend is best described as "former FBI informer and Republican spy Al Sharpton."

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 July 2018 18:50 (seven years ago)

I thought maybe y'all could use a laugh today

I made a fake account for Huckabee’s dog killing son (@DavidAHuckabee) and dumbass Mike followed it. Time to post some weird stuff. pic.twitter.com/biJWmiQy20

— paige (@BonerWizard) July 20, 2018

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 20 July 2018 18:52 (seven years ago)

well i'm just a crazy guy at his living room table, prone to assuming the worst, buuuuut this whole situation is just unbelievably discomforting.

yeah i too feel real bad about this and the apparent agreements made in helsinki that no one seems to know shit about

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 20 July 2018 19:03 (seven years ago)

that he's now planning follow-up meetings with putin to "implement". to implement whatever they agreed to, which no one knows. everything is fine!

Karl Malone, Friday, 20 July 2018 19:07 (seven years ago)

apparent agreements made in helsinki that no one seems to know shit about

The president cannot act on any secret agreements without using others as his instruments. What matters most is what he does, not whatever he said to Putin. He can easily hide some of his actions from public view, but he can't accomplish anything without accomplices and without making a trail that can be traced.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 20 July 2018 19:12 (seven years ago)

As always, keep an eye on all this. You get some Kudlow burbling in this but you can kinda tell it's bluff.

https://www.axios.com/threat-china-trade-war-trump-tariffs-xi-jinping-d793f69c-6035-4347-bc0d-67efda64f911.html

Ned Raggett, Friday, 20 July 2018 19:14 (seven years ago)

America, god bless U if it’s good to you

No angel came (Ross), Friday, 20 July 2018 19:20 (seven years ago)

Sistema has a few clear rules—do not defy Putin being the most obvious one—and a toolkit for controlling potentially errant members. It is primarily a system of ambiguity. Each person in sistema wonders where he stands and monitors the relative positions of friends and rivals.

this is basically what it's like to be in Trump's family, right

mh, Friday, 20 July 2018 19:24 (seven years ago)

According to theories I've read, Nixon's going to China was designed to increase tensions and put more distance between Communist Russia and Communist China, whose history went deeper than mutual communism and reached back to longstanding mutual enmity, thus strengthening the USA position. Today, Trump's rapidly escalating trade war with the EU and China will eventually weaken the economies of the USA, Europe and China and increase enmity between them, all without harming the Russian economy or interests.

(makes you think emoji)

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 20 July 2018 19:25 (seven years ago)

Sistema has a few clear rules—do not defy Putin being the most obvious one—and a toolkit for controlling potentially errant members. It is primarily a system of ambiguity. Each person in sistema wonders where he stands and monitors the relative positions of friends and rivals.

this is basically what it's like to be in Trump's family, right

My thought was the NYT 2015 article on Amazon.

At Amazon, workers are encouraged to tear apart one another’s ideas in meetings, toil long and late (emails arrive past midnight, followed by text messages asking why they were not answered), and held to standards that the company boasts are “unreasonably high.” The internal phone directory instructs colleagues on how to send secret feedback to one another’s bosses. Employees say it is frequently used to sabotage others. (The tool offers sample texts, including this: “I felt concerned about his inflexibility and openly complaining about minor tasks.”)

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Friday, 20 July 2018 19:34 (seven years ago)

I mean, in most groups this is seen as an incredibly dysfunctional dynamic, but hey... different cultures I guess

I'm sure there's some counterargument where authoritarianism and the competition of those further down in the hierarchy is inevitable and we're all lying to each other, but ehh I don't buy it

mh, Friday, 20 July 2018 19:38 (seven years ago)

Today, Trump's rapidly escalating trade war with the EU and China will eventually weaken the economies of the USA, Europe and China and increase enmity between them, all without harming the Russian economy or interests.

Trump trying to push KSA into pumping more oil (they did an extra 500k barrels a day last month), deregulating fracking, aiming to replace current gas supplies in Europe and fancifully aiming for domestic energy independence all hurt Russia. Starting a trade war with China and Europe that depresses the global manufacturing economy is likely to harm Russian exports of energy and raw materials too. Trump’s ambitions around massively expanding arms exports are also likely to compete with one of Russia’s most profitable sectors. On top of the maintained / enhanced sanctions, it is only Trump’s general incompetence that’s likely to derail a bunch of stuff that is going to negatively impact Russia.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Friday, 20 July 2018 19:44 (seven years ago)

Kristin Davis, the Manhattan Madam who went to prison and was connected to former New York Governor Eliot Spitzer, is being subpoenaed in the Robert Mueller investigation, TMZ has learned. Davis worked for former Trump aide Roger Stone for a decade, and had numerous interactions with Stone and Andrew Miller — who ran Davis’ campaign for Governor and who was subpoenaed by Mueller a month ago.

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 July 2018 19:56 (seven years ago)

I don't often share Political shit on FB, but I just posted that Waldman piece, and within a minute I had this Libertarian guy I used to work with (whom I last saw avoiding me at a Taco bar lol) commenting about "President Pence" (which he spelled wrong) and "Don't come crying to me when [we get a] Theocracy" which apparently he's also cool with(?).

This guy was smart ten years ago.

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 20 July 2018 19:59 (seven years ago)

I think it takes some real mental gymnastics to try to fit the entirety of Trump's foreign policy (as it were) into a master narrative that is pro-Russia in its priorities. But then I think it takes a bit of gymnastics to fit it into any master narrative.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 20 July 2018 20:08 (seven years ago)

ha, exactly.

fwiw:

Trump is not Putin's puppet and here's why

sleeve, Friday, 20 July 2018 20:11 (seven years ago)

not that puppety

In a move likely to irk Moscow, the Pentagon has released https://twitter.com/rabrowne75/status/102036465387092787300M in new security assistance to Ukraine days after the Trump-Putin meeting, according to US & Ukrainian officials. The funds will go toward counter-artillery radars, vehicles, night vision, comms, & medical equipment

— Ryan Browne (@rabrowne75) July 20, 2018

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Friday, 20 July 2018 20:45 (seven years ago)

State Department deletes a statement condemning Russia over MH17 downing right after Trump's Putin summit

http://www.businessinsider.com/state-department-deletes-statement-criticizing-russia-over-mh17-attack-trump-putin-2018-7/

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 20 July 2018 21:48 (seven years ago)

not that puppety!

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 20 July 2018 22:02 (seven years ago)

The al jazeera piece is interesting but it proceeds from the same absolutist thinking as the people who are like "Putin didn't steal the election for Trump!" That's not how any of this works, it's not like literally every American policy suddenly becomes pro-Russia. A lot of it is about who you want to be friends with and why.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 20 July 2018 23:14 (seven years ago)

yeah I think that's right

Dan S, Friday, 20 July 2018 23:20 (seven years ago)

i realize this is the dumbest thing in the entire world to bring up, but...

is the michael cohen tape thing from this morning the same thing that tom arnold was melting down about a few weeks ago?

Karl Malone, Friday, 20 July 2018 23:22 (seven years ago)

No that’s this https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/elevator-tape-trump_us_5b327272e4b0b745f1784747 which is supposed to be violent

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 20 July 2018 23:33 (seven years ago)

Either way

"From people I spoke to today around Cohen's orbit, this is something they see as coming from the President's camp. This was a complete strategy executed in order to throw Cohen under the bus. So they see it very differently ...." - @emilyjanefox w/ @NicolleDWallace pic.twitter.com/4B26sJr15u

— Deadline White House (@DeadlineWH) July 20, 2018

Obviously, there is an ongoing investigation, and we are sensitive to that. But suffice it to say that when the recording is heard, it will not hurt @MichaelCohen212. Any attempt at spin can not change what is on the tape.

— Lanny Davis (@LannyDavis) July 20, 2018

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 21 July 2018 00:03 (seven years ago)

Wanna place your bets on what’s on the elevatore tape?

I’m guessing it’s a racist outburst/tirade against black people with a heeping dose of the n word

He said captain, I said wot (FlopsyDuck), Saturday, 21 July 2018 00:18 (seven years ago)

I’m guessing it’s a racist outburst/tirade against black people with a heaping dose of the n word

Other than material evidence of the commission of a felony, there's nothing that Trump could say on a tape that would hurt him, including a blatantly racist tirade. Republicans in Congress would express dismay, even shock, but they would not lift a finger against him. His supporters would swallow whatever spin was put on it by FOX News. His approval rating would dip slightly. The news cycle would turn and we'd all still be here griping.

Send money to progressive candidates. Be sure to vote in November, or else vote early! Support organizations that oppose creeping fascism, racism and sexism. March in the street when you feel so moved. But no elevator tapes are going to save us from Trump.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 21 July 2018 00:33 (seven years ago)

all of this is completely surreal

Dan S, Saturday, 21 July 2018 00:45 (seven years ago)

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-some-early-high-quality-polls-can-tell-us-about-the-race-for-the-house/

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)

48% of people polled have a _favorable_ opinion of ty cobb to only 15% unfavorable? yep, that proves it, democracy is a fraud

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Saturday, 21 July 2018 00:47 (seven years ago)

looks like charlotte has been selected as the location of the 2020 protest RNC

Karl Malone, Saturday, 21 July 2018 00:53 (seven years ago)

why any city would willingly choose to associate itself with what i hope will be a gigantic mess is beyond me

Karl Malone, Saturday, 21 July 2018 00:54 (seven years ago)

Fox would call it temporary racism basically.

If he’s still president by the 2020 election, I think that someone will beat him in the primaries. He’s becoming too much of a liability. He will lose donors and media support (more-so than now).

He said captain, I said wot (FlopsyDuck), Saturday, 21 July 2018 00:54 (seven years ago)

xp
You have to realize at least half of that 48% thought the question was about the baseball player.

nickn, Saturday, 21 July 2018 00:54 (seven years ago)

just saying, when you have the entire political system on one side (executive, both houses of congress, and now the clear majority of the supreme court) of russia, along with about 35% of the country, who disproportionally own all the guns, the intelligence community + liberals on the other, and the vast majority of this dipshit nation just sitting it out and not paying attention, all russia has to do is provoke an incident that causes physical harm to people and then watch the two sides escalate against each other.

― Karl Malone

russia doesn't have to do anything, incidents which cause physical harm to people are part of the basic policy of the current government

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Saturday, 21 July 2018 00:56 (seven years ago)

xp
You have to realize at least half of that 48% thought the question was about the baseball player.

― nickn

the question was about the baseball player, that's what i'm upset about

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Saturday, 21 July 2018 00:58 (seven years ago)

Aimless very itotm

Οὖτις, Saturday, 21 July 2018 00:58 (seven years ago)

Stupdi hpone

Οὖτις, Saturday, 21 July 2018 00:59 (seven years ago)

If he’s still president by the 2020 election, I think that someone will beat him in the primaries.

i sometimes think that too and imagine romney swooping into be the relatively grownup republican loser again, but the counterpoint is that trump still enjoys strong support from republicans and has a huge headstart in fundraising since he basically never stopped campaigning even after inauguration i think i recently read he already has over $80 million?

Karl Malone, Saturday, 21 July 2018 00:59 (seven years ago)

stupid hphone lol

Dan S, Saturday, 21 July 2018 01:02 (seven years ago)

XP Trump filed for re-election right after the election, which iirc there were ulterior motives behind (something to do with press coverage or something).

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 21 July 2018 01:04 (seven years ago)

the entire republican party is a personality cult for donald trump right now, i have a hard time seeing a republican who could challenge him in the primaries and win

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Saturday, 21 July 2018 01:05 (seven years ago)

xp - something to do with $$$$$$$$$ flowing into the campaign fund

a shomin-geki poster with some horror elements (WilliamC), Saturday, 21 July 2018 01:08 (seven years ago)

The only torpedoes that can sink Trump are votes against Republicans in 2018. Deny him Congress and he's weakened. Then in 2020 we must deny him reelection.

And do not forget to let your candidates know your policy priorities. Mine would include repeal of the $1.6 trillion tax giveaway, Medicare for all, student debt relief, ending racist law enforcement practices, re-entering the Paris Climate Accord. Those would make a good start. I'm sure I am forgetting some worthy ones.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 21 July 2018 01:16 (seven years ago)

i appreciate your optimism but i think we've gone beyond that

mookieproof, Saturday, 21 July 2018 01:25 (seven years ago)

Nah elections are all that matter

Οὖτις, Saturday, 21 July 2018 01:31 (seven years ago)

yeah, but i don't think they're going to be enough. whatever elections are won will be considered illegitimate (or faked!) by a third of the population. the system is broken; regaining ostensible control of it won't fix it

mookieproof, Saturday, 21 July 2018 01:39 (seven years ago)

I agree with mookie, our species needs to be obliterated so that good things have a chance of happening again

El Tomboto, Saturday, 21 July 2018 01:41 (seven years ago)

well that's a showstopper

Dan S, Saturday, 21 July 2018 01:52 (seven years ago)

☎️

El Tomboto, Saturday, 21 July 2018 01:57 (seven years ago)

that wasn't *exactly* my point, but i can't really disagree with it either

mookieproof, Saturday, 21 July 2018 01:58 (seven years ago)

I thought you liked sports though

El Tomboto, Saturday, 21 July 2018 02:00 (seven years ago)

ungulates & arthropods: terrible at hockey

El Tomboto, Saturday, 21 July 2018 02:02 (seven years ago)

lol

Dan S, Saturday, 21 July 2018 02:05 (seven years ago)

Russianbearhockey.mov

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 21 July 2018 02:37 (seven years ago)

yeah, but i don't think they're going to be enough. whatever elections are won will be considered illegitimate (or faked!) by a third of the population. the system is broken; regaining ostensible control of it won't fix it

― mookieproof

if this isn't goalpost moving, what is?

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Saturday, 21 July 2018 02:44 (seven years ago)

?

idk which goalposts you're speaking of. the field has changed, and the positions of the goalposts along with it. there's no going back to the time before we elected a game show host to our highest office, no matter who wins the midterms

i mean i fucking love a o-c (and continually marvel at her apparent optimism) but she cannot change the supreme court, or the insane imbalance of senate representation, or the impunity of elites to redress, or the flood of anonymous money into unreliable elections, or the military-industrial complex. empires rise and fall; this one has had a pretty good run before a phenomenal series of own goals

mookieproof, Saturday, 21 July 2018 04:10 (seven years ago)

Things were more fucked up than this for most of US history. There's still a legal framework out there that's better for protecting ordinary people than there was at any time before 1970. It hasn't been ripped to shreds, yet. And with sufficient organizing and concentration on the goal, there's no reason why we should lose the war to keep it mostly in place. The SCOTUS will lag, but they are susceptible to political pressure, too.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 21 July 2018 04:21 (seven years ago)

Aimless otm.

whatever elections are won will be considered illegitimate (or faked!) by a third of the population.

Probably par for the course in most countries that actually manage to have more or less free elections.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 21 July 2018 05:08 (seven years ago)

Anyway, good night:

“At the most fundamental level, the reason why the president struggles so much with this in general is he cannot separate the accusations against him of collusion from the fact that Russia meddled in the election, and he feels like if he were to give an inch on meddling, they’re gonna take a mile on collusion.”

This person added, “Having been in dozens of prep sessions with the president for various interviews or events or whatever it may be, I hesitate to throw the staff under the table, because I know he’s just gonna do whatever he’s gonna do. He will listen or take feedback, but once he gets out there, he’s just gonna say what he’s gonna say.”

“He’s just on an island a little bit. On this issue maybe more than any other, he’s gonna talk about it the way he wants to talk about it.”

The second former official said it was important to remember that “something always goes wrong” with Trump. “There’s always some issue in the White House when it comes to responding to a crisis, and 90 percent of the time, it’s crises that they create themselves, and you have to go in with the understanding that the baseline level for these guys is full retard, basically.”

“When that was their excuse, I couldn’t stop laughing. It’s so ridiculous.”

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 21 July 2018 05:15 (seven years ago)

“The one thing that makes this week so much different is they’re actually trying to fight back. Typically, Trump would say something completely insane and they would just let the media cycle sit. At least they’re trying to fight back. They’re fighting back in the worst possible way, but like, you can see the effort. You know these guys are fucking idiots, but the effort is there.”

The second former official added, “You have a lot of people who are just a bunch of small-timers and clowns, so when they fuck up a response, you almost can’t blame them because you knew what you were getting, you know? When you have people who suck at this and then they fuck up a response, you can’t really be angry. This is what you have. It’s like having a puppy that shits on the floor, you can’t get angry at the puppy. The puppy doesn’t know any better.”

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 21 July 2018 05:16 (seven years ago)

and further more, “I guess it’s like the puppy shat on the floor, and then they took the shit and they rubbed it all over the walls.” !

Dan S, Saturday, 21 July 2018 05:33 (seven years ago)

*furthermore

Dan S, Saturday, 21 July 2018 05:36 (seven years ago)

the baseline level for these guys is full retard the baseline level for these guys is full retard
the baseline level for these guys is full retard
the baseline level for these guys is full retard
the baseline level for these guys is full retard

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 21 July 2018 05:42 (seven years ago)

Probably the most surprising line from this article:

There is no tie between the president and the prostitution ring.

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/russian-prostitute-ring-busted-in-miami-trump-tower-10546831

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 21 July 2018 06:21 (seven years ago)

As someone who gave up in 1984, i welcome mookie to the club.

The Dems are down to 3 finalists for their convention. I recommend Milwaukee as we know HRC won't be able to find Wisconsin.

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 21 July 2018 07:56 (seven years ago)

good mourning, Yelploaf!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 21 July 2018 13:03 (seven years ago)

idk which goalposts you're speaking of. the field has changed, and the positions of the goalposts along with it. there's no going back to the time before we elected a game show host to our highest office, no matter who wins the midterms

i mean i fucking love a o-c (and continually marvel at her apparent optimism) but she cannot change the supreme court, or the insane imbalance of senate representation, or the impunity of elites to redress, or the flood of anonymous money into unreliable elections, or the military-industrial complex. empires rise and fall; this one has had a pretty good run before a phenomenal series of own goals

― mookieproof

those are uh fairly high goals you're setting. is it possible that perhaps we don't need to fix every single problem in america simultaneously in january 2019?

i was reading yesterday about the hawaiian democratic revolution of 1954. i found it really good and inspiring. i prefer to focus right now on what's possible, particularly since a lot of things i believed were never going to happen already have.

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Saturday, 21 July 2018 13:14 (seven years ago)

Is anyone else reading Russian Roulette, the book by Michael Isikoff and David Corn referenced in one of the recent New Yorker web pieces? I started it yesterday and cannot seem to stop.

cheese is the teacher, ham is the preacher (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 21 July 2018 13:26 (seven years ago)

Is it better than this thread?

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 21 July 2018 13:44 (seven years ago)

The writers keep popping up on panels on various MSNBC shows.

Stevolende, Saturday, 21 July 2018 13:46 (seven years ago)

I'm surprised MSNBC green rooms have space for people besides Steve Schmidt, Adam Schiff, and Michael Steele.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 21 July 2018 13:52 (seven years ago)

More twists:

Cohen’s secret recording of his conversation with Trump had been deemed privileged by the special master. But Trump's lawyers have sent a letter to the special master asking to waive privilege. https://t.co/vEHlpEjyDU pic.twitter.com/ofYiohZ4xc

— erica orden (@eorden) July 21, 2018

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 21 July 2018 15:24 (seven years ago)

Trump's lawyers have sent a letter to the special master asking to waive privilege

I am presuming that Trump assured his current lawyers that he recalls that conversation perfectly in all details and that its release would prove his actions to be well within the law. Because Trump has also stated publically that his memory is the best memory of all time.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 21 July 2018 15:55 (seven years ago)

Giuliani must really be putting too much stock in Trump's dementia test.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 21 July 2018 16:01 (seven years ago)

All I can think of is that Trump thinks this recording makes him look good because they decide not to make the payment and he argues for documenting everything - ie it fits within in his conception of being honest

Οὖτις, Saturday, 21 July 2018 16:04 (seven years ago)

Re russian roulette it’s just striking how the things that have been heavily discussed for the first time in the past week are already outlined in this book from April. There’s just so many wrinkles and tangles and curlicues to this catastrophe and it’s a lot to hold in mind even though it’s all been out there— it really helps to have a book length account that’s patient and thorough.

cheese is the teacher, ham is the preacher (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 21 July 2018 16:07 (seven years ago)

XP It also provides proof he got down w/a Playmate, which is very important to his base.

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 21 July 2018 16:08 (seven years ago)

lol I've already been seeing the "MY president tapped THAT? Awesome!!!" memes

frogbs, Saturday, 21 July 2018 16:10 (seven years ago)

All I can think of is that Trump thinks this recording makes him look good because they decide not to make the payment and he argues for documenting everything - ie it fits within in his conception of being honest

― Οὖτις

i mean to be fair this is pretty much exactly what nixon believed about the smoking gun tape

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Saturday, 21 July 2018 16:11 (seven years ago)

it's been mentioned before, but pathological liars believe their own lies. often trump is described as a pathological liar and everyone just kind of moves on, but it is a real and persistent problem for him. he's not going to change, but his lawyers should know better than to trust someone who can't stop lying.

Karl Malone, Saturday, 21 July 2018 16:16 (seven years ago)

His lawyers aren't in charge. He's quite capable of ordering them to do whatever stupid thing he wants to do.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 21 July 2018 16:18 (seven years ago)

which is why his legal team has had so much turnover, i guess. but really, those who have been around someone who can't stop lying know to get the fuck away from them. it never ends well.

Karl Malone, Saturday, 21 July 2018 16:24 (seven years ago)

I mean, it's worth noting the obvious, namely that nobody new has come on board for him (personally or in capacity as the President) in a long while. Everyone who is there are people who are pretty much tied to him to start with or were pretty much already there in all but name. That's a small circle, stuck with each other.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 21 July 2018 16:30 (seven years ago)

the rules regarding waiver of privilege are complex and disfavor selective waiver to the advantage if the waiving party. Additional risk is that the master will declare a broader waiver based on ALL communications on the subject matter e.g. all payments re sex claims, or all attempts to respond to general claims. Priv is a shield, not a sword.

Hunt3r, Saturday, 21 July 2018 18:40 (seven years ago)

Responding to to neds post - any big shot lawyer with ambitions of charging $1000+ an hour would kill to represent a sitting president but trump is so absolutely toxic and full of his own shit that NOBODY will do it. It’s an amazing feat.

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Saturday, 21 July 2018 21:01 (seven years ago)

some carter page docs got released

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/21/us/politics/carter-page-fisa.html

maura, Saturday, 21 July 2018 22:36 (seven years ago)

Two critical sentences .... #pagefisa. pic.twitter.com/zviYwL08SX

— Marc Ambinder (@marcambinder) July 21, 2018

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 21 July 2018 22:51 (seven years ago)

Steele grew frustrated w/ the FBI after Comey alerted Congress the FBI was reopening its inquiry into Clinton's emails in October 2016. Steele went to the press w/ Trump info & the FBI cut him off because of it, even though they assessed his info reliable. pic.twitter.com/icEudYdG0y

— Kate Brannen (@K8brannen) July 21, 2018

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 21 July 2018 22:52 (seven years ago)

Amazing how it all goes wrong at once because that's...what was going to happen.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/in-private-trump-vents-his-frustration-over-lack-of-progress-on-north-korea/2018/07/21/f6adef88-da7d-403e-9ec8-47d7876fa1de_story.html

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 21 July 2018 23:09 (seven years ago)

A low point from the perspective of U.S. officials came during Pompeo’s third visit to Pyongyang on July 6 when he pressed North Korean officials for details on their plans to return the remains of U.S. soldiers killed during the Korean War, as they had agreed to do in Singapore. The issue had been discussed in several meetings and was viewed by the United States as an easy way for North Korea to demonstrate its sincerity.

But when Pompeo arrived in Pyongyang, the North Koreans insisted they were still not ready to commit to specific plans, according to diplomats familiar with the discussions.

The delay angered U.S. officials, who were under pressure to ­deliver given Trump’s premature ­announcement on June 20 that North Korea had already “sent back” the remains of 200 soldiers.

amateur hour

Karl Malone, Saturday, 21 July 2018 23:22 (seven years ago)

Hahah of course

Carter Page will be our exclusive guest tomorrow morning on @CNNSotu -- join us! https://t.co/85PO340QlC

— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) July 21, 2018

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 21 July 2018 23:43 (seven years ago)

The Twitter dumbfucks reading that excerpt of the report re: page going “dang I hope Candidate #1 isn’t Hillary” exhibit a breathtaking melange of stupidity and disingenuousness.

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 21 July 2018 23:43 (seven years ago)

"The blacked out parts show I'm innocent!"

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 21 July 2018 23:43 (seven years ago)

This release is going to change precisely nobody's mind. Both sides already on Twitter claiming it either proves Nunes a liar or that it makes the FBI look suspect.

At least it's out now tho

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Sunday, 22 July 2018 00:18 (seven years ago)

Russia dumping T-bills, buying gold

Russia has sharply reduced its holdings of United States Treasury bonds, with Russian ownership recently moving to an 11-year low.

Russia's ownership of US bonds declined from $96.1 billion in March to $48.7 billion in April and then to just $14.9 billion in May, the most recent data available, the Russian news website RT and the finance blog Wolf Street reported this week.

On Tuesday, the US Treasury released a list of the top 33 investors in US debt. Russia was among the top 10 in 2010 with ownership of $176.3 billion but in May ranked below Chile. The country began unloading its US debt as President Barack Obama raised sanctions against Russia in 2011 and has since intensified its efforts.

Elvira Nabiullina, the head of the Central Bank of Russia, said the reduction was due to an assessment of financial, economic, and geopolitical risks, RT reported. Nabiullina said the gold purchases were helping to diversify Russia's wealth.

grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 22 July 2018 01:33 (seven years ago)

Things were more fucked up than this for most of US history.

this is perhaps true! but has the fucked-upness ever gone so resolutely backwards as it is now? i mean there are literal fucking nazis marching and killing people, but you know, both sides have points and are good people. we totally murdered a shitload of people in the philippines back in the day, but were we aware, on a day-to-day basis, that their children were being kept in cages? i mean this is some obvious shit! nazis! babies in cages! i don't think that's a fairly high goal

those are uh fairly high goals you're setting. is it possible that perhaps we don't need to fix every single problem in america simultaneously in january 2019?

i'm not demanding that things be fixed six months from now! i'm saying that things cannot be fixed, ever, without massive changes well beyond the scope of anything we've considered here

mookieproof, Sunday, 22 July 2018 05:20 (seven years ago)

the norms are gone; the institutions cannot survive without them

the obvious next step for the GOP is to limit voting to the landed/propertied class -- democracy? we're a republic, put some skin in the game -- because that's where the window has moved

for most of US history one could at least theoretically count on the opposition observing certain limits. there are now no limits

mookieproof, Sunday, 22 July 2018 05:31 (seven years ago)

yup, mookie otm, lotta painfully naive optimism itt

sleeve, Sunday, 22 July 2018 05:43 (seven years ago)

like I dunno where this is all headed but the rules are gone and the gloves are off

sleeve, Sunday, 22 July 2018 05:44 (seven years ago)

has the fucked-upness ever gone so resolutely backwards as it is now?

Christ, mookieproof, this country fought a freaking Civil War that killed 665,000, or as many soldiers as the USA lost during all of WWII, except the US population in 1860 was 32 million and in 1940 was 132 million. All because southern rich people wanted to keep human beings as property. That seems to me like a pretty radical retrograde in a short time.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 22 July 2018 05:52 (seven years ago)

yes, the civil war was 150 years ago and obama was elected president so like john roberts says, discrimination no longer exists

i mean i hate to pull the 'can you imagine if obama' card but really. if obama had done helsinki we would *have* a civil war

do you really see the current structure holding? what are its weaknesses?

mookieproof, Sunday, 22 July 2018 06:07 (seven years ago)

do you really see the current structure holding? what are its weaknesses?

― mookieproof

its weaknesses are weaknesses which were, basically, present since the inception of the united states! obviously some fairly major changes are in store for the us, obviously there are a lot of unsustainable things about the current political system in the us. the current sitution is causing deep instability and is doing massive long-term damage to that system. it's also not a situation that, right now, can be fixed without doing some extremely dangerous things which would tend to drastically exacerbate that instability, things that there are very strong strategic, if not moral, reasons not to do.

there are a lot of people working very hard to limit the extent of the damage currently being done. this is all that's possible. nothing is fixable right now. before we can even assess the extent of the damage, we need to, at minimum, mitigate the sources of damage to a much greater extent. i believe there are strong arguments that this mitigation, at least, should be done in the least radical fashion possible.

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Sunday, 22 July 2018 11:53 (seven years ago)

well, strike "possible" and put in "feasible". there are a lot of options that are "possible" but useless.

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Sunday, 22 July 2018 11:54 (seven years ago)

Would breaking away from the 2 party system be a solution. Can't see it working in the immediate circumstance since coordinating an opposition would seem to be the immediate necessary stop.
But breaking out of an either this lot or that lot and actually getting something that might work on a more egalitarian basis would seem a better ideal to be working towards.

Until you're at a more stable point or less immediately precarious one it's probably a distraction though. & a potential way of making sure that the major vote would always go to the side taht needed to be voted out.

Stevolende, Sunday, 22 July 2018 12:45 (seven years ago)

an end to the two party system is possible, but, uh, not in the direction you're thinking.

the issue is that the two-party system, though not explicitly named in the us constitution, is inevitably a structural result of that constitution. to enable more than two parties to meaningfully coexist long-term would require major changes to the system of representation encoded in the us constitution. i'm also unconvinced that it's of demonstrable benefit, or at least of greater benefit than more effectively using one's power within the existing coalition party (as for minority interests to exert power within a democracy requires coalition-building anyway). if we're talking about making major revisions to the constitution that wouldn't be my primary focus.

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Sunday, 22 July 2018 13:02 (seven years ago)

major revisions to the constitution still have to be made though

El Tomboto, Sunday, 22 July 2018 13:22 (seven years ago)

Yeah, you can bet Trump is working on taht.

Stevolende, Sunday, 22 July 2018 13:25 (seven years ago)

I would ask that if people are third party curious that they ask those questions of google and not here, but eh it’s not that important. bottom line is third parties are spoiler parties for the other side & have never really worked any other way. Bernie had the right idea for how to move the needle in 2016, as the Tea Party did in 2010.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 22 July 2018 13:27 (seven years ago)

good mourning, Yelploaf!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 22 July 2018 13:34 (seven years ago)

Ranked choice voting would eliminate the spoiler effect. Until we have that I’m not going anywhere near a third party in most elections.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Sunday, 22 July 2018 13:35 (seven years ago)

yeah some of these are fixable problems. we're starting to see verrrrrry initial baby steps towards fixing them, with a handful of localities trying out ranked choice systems. maybe that snowballs as people keep pushing on it. not the gravest or most urgent issue but would be very cool to see it happening.

in a very different USA, the trump era would be followed by a huge blue wave and a base forcing that wave not to forgive and forget, but to pass through a whole bundle of "trump amendments" as the radical republicans did after the civil war. fat chance of that happening here (where almost no movement has happened on the electoral college, save the pokey progress of the interstate compact, since 2000) but it might be interesting to think about what those amendments might be, where the most urgent curtailings of power or redressings of undemocracy would be focused. the composition of the senate is probably the biggest obstacle to a million things. the power of the executive needs curtailing at a thousand levels. citizens united has to go. impeachment of various figures needs to be easier. repeal the second amendment. establish fundamental rights of noncitizens. in fact the roberts court's jurisprudence will probably leave us gasping for a whole new bill of rights just to cancel out the damage. none of this will happen of course.

This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Sunday, 22 July 2018 13:51 (seven years ago)

I'm more positive. I think that once an entire party no longer needs to warp reality to cover for a crook, many things will be possible.

fajita seas, Sunday, 22 July 2018 13:55 (seven years ago)

Yeah I don’t even see the point of all this catastrophizing, unless we’re all drunk, in which case it can be kind of fun

El Tomboto, Sunday, 22 July 2018 14:39 (seven years ago)

I also don’t know what the “margin of error” is for population trend projections re: Senate composition in the 126th Congress, but the fact that most coastal cities are already unaffordable has started to drive young folks, especially families, back into the “heartland” where housing is cheap.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 22 July 2018 14:47 (seven years ago)

I don’t even see the point of all this catastrophizing

princess of hell (BradNelson), Sunday, 22 July 2018 14:58 (seven years ago)

Guys, don't worry about the other stuff, just listen to the journalist on this week's On The Media who's been covering global warming for 30 years.

In the long run, the other stuff is details that will be swamped, very literally.

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 22 July 2018 15:01 (seven years ago)

I think that once an entire party no longer needs to warp reality to cover for a crook, many things will be possible.

― fajita seas,

But nothing happened to Dubya.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 22 July 2018 15:01 (seven years ago)

(his salient quote is that the difference HRC wd've made on climate change globally is a rounding error)

xp

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 22 July 2018 15:02 (seven years ago)

i knew you wouldn't bury the lede

princess of hell (BradNelson), Sunday, 22 July 2018 15:11 (seven years ago)

The office made public on July 5 a memo announcing its plan to start issuing Notices to Appear for a wider range of cases. Those notices, require an immigrant to appear before an immigration judge on a certain date, can be the first step in deportation proceedings.

Experts say that policy change, coupled with what came next, could vastly expand the number of individuals being referred for removal.

The agency said last week that starting Sept. 11 its adjudicators will have the ability to outright deny applications that are missing information. That’s a departure from an Obama-era policy of sending requests for more evidence or issuing a warning of their intent to deny the application.

good timing (eyeroll)

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/398116-trump-ramps-up-scrutiny-of-legal-immigrants

maura, Sunday, 22 July 2018 15:15 (seven years ago)

I also don’t know what the “margin of error” is for population trend projections re: Senate composition in the 126th Congress, but the fact that most coastal cities are already unaffordable has started to drive young folks, especially families, back into the “heartland” where housing is cheap.


probably worth noting alabama’s lawsuit here

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/12/628425970/latino-voters-move-to-defend-census-immigrant-count-in-lawsuit-by-alabama

maura, Sunday, 22 July 2018 15:16 (seven years ago)

Guys, don't worry about the other stuff, just listen to the journalist on this week's On The Media who's been covering global warming for 30 years.

https://www.wnycstudios.org/story/on-the-media-2018-07-20

thanks for the head's up, i missed it earlier this week. within the short little intro is this statement, pertinent to catastrophism in this country:

"ultimately, if you want to change president's behavior, or that of this congress. you can't. the truth is, you can only marshal your own resources and change your own behavior."

the question with ^^ is, how long has this been true? not long ago, i do think it was possible for committed, invested citizens to change the behavior of the president or congress. not very easily, by any means, but it was possible. now it is not.

Karl Malone, Sunday, 22 July 2018 15:59 (seven years ago)

This Congress, and this President, owe nothing to the majority of Americans. It’s pretty straightforward. They got their jobs by taking advantage of undemocratic bugs in the system.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 22 July 2018 16:03 (seven years ago)

Connections, connections

NEW: Konstantin Nikolaev, a Russian billionaire w/ US investments, reportedly bankrolled Maria Butina's gun rights group. Nikolaev was seen at Trump's DC hotel during Trump's inauguration.

... and his son Andrey volunteered for Trump's 2016 campaign. https://t.co/v6uTLkTM9M

— Caroline O. (@RVAwonk) July 22, 2018

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 22 July 2018 16:44 (seven years ago)

very xp -- I suspect a major barrier to getting rid of the two-party system, even leaving aside the fact that clearly one party is benefiting from it, is that people associate different voting systems with Europe, and one can imagine the xenophobic rhetoric along those lines

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Sunday, 22 July 2018 18:01 (seven years ago)

This Congress, and this President, owe nothing to the majority of Americans. It’s pretty straightforward. They got their jobs by taking advantage of undemocratic bugs in the system.

― El Tomboto

ask a republican and they'll tell you they're not bugs, they're features

the important thing is to recognize that they are flaws, that they're not going to go away on their own and they are rapidly reaching the point where they can no longer be papered over.

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Sunday, 22 July 2018 18:10 (seven years ago)

Worship of the constitution is very strong in the USA, especially among people who believe in the infallibility of sacred texts. It's mostly a superstition, because most americans don't have a clue what it says, and the non-specialists who read it most religiously don't understand how it works in practice.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 22 July 2018 18:13 (seven years ago)

Worship of the constitution is very strong in the USA, especially among people who believe in the infallibility of sacred texts. It's mostly a superstition, because most americans don't have a clue what it says, and the non-specialists who read it most religiously don't understand how it works in practice.

― A is for (Aimless)

sure, it's our mos maiorum. which means that all you really need to do to change it is claim, whether or not it's true, that the changes proposed are restorative, that they serve to preserve the original intent. tricky, but certainly doable.

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Sunday, 22 July 2018 18:23 (seven years ago)

very xp -- I suspect a major barrier to getting rid of the two-party system, even leaving aside the fact that clearly one party is benefiting from it, is that people associate different voting systems with Europe, and one can imagine the xenophobic rhetoric along those lines

― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), 22. juli 2018 20:01 (twenty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Perhaps if it's pointed out that Russia - technically - has a multi-party system?

Frederik B, Sunday, 22 July 2018 18:30 (seven years ago)

Perhaps if it's pointed out that Russia - technically - has a multi-party system?

Maybe it's just that simple!

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 22 July 2018 18:46 (seven years ago)

Fred you’ve said a lot of things about our systems that are kind of ignorant and you’ve certainly caught your fair share of shit for them but that one is really, really fucking special

El Tomboto, Sunday, 22 July 2018 19:34 (seven years ago)

OK n/m I conflated katherine’s post with yours but still, sometimes, wtf

El Tomboto, Sunday, 22 July 2018 19:36 (seven years ago)

what the fuck

To Iranian President Rouhani: NEVER, EVER THREATEN THE UNITED STATES AGAIN OR YOU WILL SUFFER CONSEQUENCES THE LIKES OF WHICH FEW THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE EVER SUFFERED BEFORE. WE ARE NO LONGER A COUNTRY THAT WILL STAND FOR YOUR DEMENTED WORDS OF VIOLENCE & DEATH. BE CAUTIOUS!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 23, 2018

frogbs, Monday, 23 July 2018 03:30 (seven years ago)

jfc

Karl Malone, Monday, 23 July 2018 03:40 (seven years ago)

what was that in response to? are sleeping political journalists grumpily putting together reports right now? wtf

Karl Malone, Monday, 23 July 2018 03:44 (seven years ago)

What he's responding to is actually a measured peace offer:

“America should know that peace with Iran is the mother of all peace, and war with Iran is the mother of all wars,” Rouhani said, leaving open the possibility of peace between the two countries, at odds since the 1979 Islamic Revolution.

Lots of saber-rattling all around. Hope that's all it is.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-nuclear-usa-rouhani/irans-rouhani-warns-trump-about-mother-of-all-wars-idUSKBN1KC07Z

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 23 July 2018 03:49 (seven years ago)

Hey, all caps!

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2018 04:00 (seven years ago)

BTW, checked on this and it's true.

.@NRA spokesperson @DLoesch has removed NRA from her bio after investigation of NRA ties to Russian spies intensifies.

She be scared.

— ᴏʜ ғᴜᴄᴋ ɪᴛ's ASHLEY LYNCH (@ashleylynch) July 22, 2018

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2018 04:12 (seven years ago)

xp -- I mean, I don't realistically think a different voting model is coming into the overton model anytime soon, but if it does, I don't really see how that's far-fetched, given the hand-wringing and faulty rhetoric about how terrible europe is becoming from the maga crowd

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Monday, 23 July 2018 04:14 (seven years ago)

Katherine the unsung heroine of Ilx

No angel came (Ross), Monday, 23 July 2018 04:56 (seven years ago)

If nothing else, that tweet proves that Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States of America, could not detect irony if it bit him on the nose.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 23 July 2018 05:01 (seven years ago)

Trump has repeatedly depicted war with Iran an something a president would do for domestic political gain.

Here are four examples 👇 pic.twitter.com/JdR1qM0BM8

— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) July 23, 2018

Karl Malone, Monday, 23 July 2018 05:52 (seven years ago)

hoping it's just deflection, maybe some bad news for him will be dropping tomorrow

Dan S, Monday, 23 July 2018 06:07 (seven years ago)

never ever? never EVER ever?

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 23 July 2018 07:01 (seven years ago)

sorry, I really do hope I'm wrong in that case, apologies

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Monday, 23 July 2018 07:51 (seven years ago)

this sanctimonious prick makes my blood fucking boil

Democrats, please, please don’t lose your minds and rush to the socialist left. This president and his Republican Party are counting on you to do exactly that. America’s great middle wants sensible, balanced, ethical leadership.

— James Comey (@Comey) July 22, 2018

BIG RICHARD ENERGY (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 23 July 2018 09:29 (seven years ago)

yes, we chronicled his come(d)y yesterday.

I wonder which of these Yam Twitter wars will become a Twitter war.

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 July 2018 10:13 (seven years ago)

Bloomberg/Comey 2020-- You forced us to do this!

President Keyes, Monday, 23 July 2018 12:57 (seven years ago)

The Times Of Israel reports:

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Monday commended US President Donald Trump and US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo for their “strong stance” on Iran, after the American leader fired off an angry tweet threatening the Islamic Republic and his top diplomat compared Tehran’s leadership to a “mafia.”

“I would like to praise the strong stance expressed yesterday by President Donald Trump and Secretary of State Pompeo against the Iranian regime’s aggression,” said Netanyahu at the weekly cabinet meeting. “For years, this regime was pampered by world powers and it’s good to see that the United States is changing this unacceptable equation,” added Netanyahu.

the ignatius rock of ignorance (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 July 2018 13:44 (seven years ago)

Can we at last agree that the existence of Twitter is a net negative.

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Monday, 23 July 2018 14:30 (seven years ago)

Ban 2 out of 3 twitter users

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 23 July 2018 14:34 (seven years ago)

can we at last agree that the existence of israel is a net negat- nah jk

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 23 July 2018 14:35 (seven years ago)

Megyn Kelly just asked Dennis Quaid if he thought playing Ronald Reagan would make him a better person

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 23 July 2018 14:39 (seven years ago)

well, what was his answer

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 23 July 2018 14:42 (seven years ago)

He forgot what he was talking about and armed terrorists

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 23 July 2018 14:43 (seven years ago)

Feel like fully inhabiting the psyche of RR for an extended period of time would be enough to make someone spend the rest of their life tending to sick children in third world countries.

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Monday, 23 July 2018 14:46 (seven years ago)

t/s: being trapped inside martin short or being trapped inside ronald reagan

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 23 July 2018 14:47 (seven years ago)

lol shitbirds

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-and-friends-first-barbara-litalien-ann-kirkpatrick-ice-hijack-video

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 July 2018 14:54 (seven years ago)

t/s: being trapped inside martin short or being trapped inside ronald reagan

trapped inside ronald reagan any day of the week

i can only think of maybe 3 or 4 people that would be worse to be trapped inside than martin short

Karl Malone, Monday, 23 July 2018 15:02 (seven years ago)

innarestin'

we should poll this, really

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 23 July 2018 15:03 (seven years ago)

D Quaid is 64; I guarantee he has better abs than RR did at that age

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 July 2018 15:05 (seven years ago)

t/s: sexing with dennis quaid at 64 vs sexing with ronald reagan at 34

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 23 July 2018 15:12 (seven years ago)

no contest, especially if you read what Piper Laurie had to say

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 July 2018 15:13 (seven years ago)

"They're all gonna laugh at you"?

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 23 July 2018 15:14 (seven years ago)

no it was 'ronald reagan fucks like a machine' iirc

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 23 July 2018 15:15 (seven years ago)

That link Morbius just posted is good times y’all

El Tomboto, Monday, 23 July 2018 15:16 (seven years ago)

Reagan told her: 'There’s something wrong with you. You should have had many orgasms by now - after all this time. You’ve got to see a doctor.'

President Keyes, Monday, 23 July 2018 15:17 (seven years ago)

since every post is reminding me of it

https://sensitiveskinmagazine.com/ronald-reagan/

mh, Monday, 23 July 2018 15:18 (seven years ago)

(JG Ballard's "Why I Want to Fuck Ronald Reagan")

mh, Monday, 23 July 2018 15:19 (seven years ago)

i knew exactly what that was gonna be befor i clicked on it

rip jg ballard, truly we're all living in your world now

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 23 July 2018 15:19 (seven years ago)

And Fresh Prince's "(I Think I Can Fuck) The Gipper"

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 23 July 2018 15:20 (seven years ago)

for some reason my brain is mashing it up with the cloth mother/wire mother experiment

cloth Reagan/wire Reagan

mh, Monday, 23 July 2018 15:21 (seven years ago)

itt: mh explains the conservative mindset in full

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 23 July 2018 15:26 (seven years ago)

the cloth mother/wire mother experiment

I would not get this ref except i just saw Ken Jacobs' Star Spangled to Death, which includes a 1960 CBS News documentary on this experiment, in full!

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 July 2018 15:37 (seven years ago)

good mourning!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 July 2018 15:46 (seven years ago)

Alfred you gotta get up earlier

devops mom (silby), Monday, 23 July 2018 15:47 (seven years ago)

Why bother

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 23 July 2018 15:48 (seven years ago)

According to Bono 11:45 is when the day begins

com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Monday, 23 July 2018 15:52 (seven years ago)

This thread took an odd turn

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 23 July 2018 15:56 (seven years ago)

Alfred you gotta get up earlier

― devops mom (silby), Monday, July 23, 2018 11:47 AM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Why bother

― YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved),

otm

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 July 2018 15:58 (seven years ago)

Also, I'm at O'Hare and I survived the TSA line.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 July 2018 15:59 (seven years ago)

uuungh O'Hare

mh, Monday, 23 July 2018 16:01 (seven years ago)

sorry, still have a visceral reaction because the last time I was there, my afternoon flight was continually delayed until 11pm, when they finally gave up. the entire day was spent lugging my bag between gates with progressively larger numbers of televisions, all stuck to news channels reporting the pulse nightclub shooting

in retrospect, someone might have been doing some sort of ballardian psychological experiment on me

mh, Monday, 23 July 2018 16:04 (seven years ago)

being in airports is like having to be in junior high again, with all the weird body horror and authority figures that are both menacing and pathetic

com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Monday, 23 July 2018 16:34 (seven years ago)

...and wondering when your secondary sexual characteristics are going to kick in?

El Tomboto, Monday, 23 July 2018 16:42 (seven years ago)

my ohare tips are: pay $10 for a day pass to the gym at the hilton inside the airport and sit in the sauna. and buy united club passes on ebay and bring $1s and drink a lot.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 23 July 2018 16:46 (seven years ago)

the United Club is amazing.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 23 July 2018 16:53 (seven years ago)

Drinking in airports is probably the story of my middle age.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 23 July 2018 17:40 (seven years ago)

I rarely drink in airports but by the grace of god someone donated a bunch of air miles to a trip I took this spring, allowing us to fly first class on some domestic flights. Even though the flights themselves were short you better believe I drank a lot of bottomless mimosas. Time passed in an extremely pleasant haze.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Monday, 23 July 2018 17:43 (seven years ago)

Update on the Carter Page FISA documents: in addition to the 412 pages that were released, with redactions, over the weekend, 177 pages were withheld IN FULL.

They have not been released at all.

The fight continues.

— Bradley P. Moss (@BradMossEsq) July 23, 2018

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2018 17:47 (seven years ago)

i'm sorry, someone will have to remind me - what is the point of releasing the entirety of the Carter Page FISA documents? when parts of it were released the other day, i thought i remembered reading that it was the first time that a FISA application of its kind had EVER been released to the public, even in its redacted form? maybe i misunderstood that point, but i still don't understand what this fight is even about. won't the carter page details become more clear as the enormous piles of legal battles continue?

Karl Malone, Monday, 23 July 2018 17:53 (seven years ago)

it'd let us know nearly immediately who the government suspected of him of working with and maybe let us know what the aim was, and whether the surveillance showed he actually was engaged in espionage

mh, Monday, 23 July 2018 17:57 (seven years ago)

the pertinent thing being that closed committee discussions are subject to the biases of those committees, so things could be getting sealed because a handful of republicans think they're immaterial but they're actually very interesting

mh, Monday, 23 July 2018 17:58 (seven years ago)

It is apparently a fairly unique release, yes. Variety of long-time legal hands were griping about the fact that it had to be.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2018 17:58 (seven years ago)

hmm, something tells me the remaining 177 pages would just be a giant block of redacted text, but who knows.

Karl Malone, Monday, 23 July 2018 17:59 (seven years ago)

they're a detailed map to the location of the pee tape

mh, Monday, 23 July 2018 18:03 (seven years ago)

As best I can understand it, the point of the whole Carter Page thing is to keep hammering the idea that the FBI was out to get Trump and they used Crooked Hillary's Fake Dirty Dossier to get their warrant. Which wouldn't explain away anything actually incriminating they learned from their surveillance, but at this point this is all just about creating noise to keep the base from believing anything that comes out of the investigation.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 23 July 2018 18:05 (seven years ago)

As best I can understand it, the point of the whole Carter Page thing is to keep hammering the idea that the FBI was out to get Trump

i guess this is correct, since the justice dept. is voluntarily releasing these documents, but it kind of illustrates the bizarro divide in politics right now. when i see a giant FISA application hinting at the various ways that Carter Page was working with and for Russia, my reaction is something like "wow! carter page seems guilty as sin, it's crazy that the trump campaign would have let themselves be affiliated with this guy for a day, let alone for years. but i guess to the right wing all they see is "the deep state is out to get carter page!"

Karl Malone, Monday, 23 July 2018 18:17 (seven years ago)

Yeah, it's the same with a lot of Trump's tweets and offhand remarks ("the server!") -- you can tell that they're supposed to signal something, but if you're not immersed in Fox/Breitbart they can be totally incomprehensible.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 23 July 2018 18:28 (seven years ago)

Nunes was trying to make out that the Fisa warrant against Page was wrongfully done and was the trigger to the Russia investigation, whereas it was shown that the reason for it went back several years before the Trump campaign.
So it was significant to the Republicans already wasn't it?
Though debunked rather heavily I thought.

I thought that was the supposed story behind the Nunes memo which was going to so massively blow the Russia investigation and everything out of the water but turned out to be a damp squib.
Am I remembering that right?

But I'm sure if you keep flogging a dead horse you can at least see some semblance of life in it , if you don't look too closely or whatever

Stevolende, Monday, 23 July 2018 18:54 (seven years ago)

Yes, it's all about the GOP controlling the narrative with no respect whatsoever to established reality.

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Monday, 23 July 2018 18:56 (seven years ago)

I would like to see us get to the point as a society that the minute words start coming out of a Republican mouth we silence it with a middle finger and a STFU.

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Monday, 23 July 2018 18:58 (seven years ago)

All I hear when they speak anymore is a variation on Charlie Brown's teacher, an endless and monotonous drone of 'WHITE SUPREMACY WHITE SUPREMACY WHITE SUPREMACY'.

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Monday, 23 July 2018 19:05 (seven years ago)

https://media.giphy.com/media/wfl3wyUiygx8I/giphy.gif

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 23 July 2018 19:09 (seven years ago)

regarding security clearances, does Trump even have the ability to unilaterally revoke them?

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 23 July 2018 19:11 (seven years ago)

NEW: Special Master Barbara Jones, assigned to review seized items from Michael Cohen, says 12 audio tapes were released to federal investigators and prosecutors on Friday.

It does not say what the content of those tapes is and does not say who is on them.

— Tom Winter (@Tom_Winter) July 23, 2018

She writes in a court filing that the "parties" withdrew their designations of 'privilege' on Friday.

— Tom Winter (@Tom_Winter) July 23, 2018

It's interesting that Trump's team is not contesting privilege over these recordings. A bizarre legal strategy unless they believe the judge would very likely rule against them in any event. https://t.co/U0iuOktDfX

— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) July 23, 2018

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2018 19:23 (seven years ago)

Separately, Manafort trial delayed a week, but that looks like all he's getting.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2018 19:24 (seven years ago)

regarding security clearances, does Trump even have the ability to unilaterally revoke them?

― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, July 23, 2018 2:11 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think he does, unfortunately

ant banks and wasp (voodoo chili), Monday, 23 July 2018 19:24 (seven years ago)

"special master" is a cool title

ant banks and wasp (voodoo chili), Monday, 23 July 2018 19:25 (seven years ago)

maybe but I'm personally more interested in being a special mastur

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 23 July 2018 19:30 (seven years ago)

I mean honestly it doesn't put us at greater risk for those clearances to be revoked, but this "lol Obama ppl we hit back cos you're mean to us" bullshit is toxic as hell

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 23 July 2018 19:36 (seven years ago)

President Trump plans to revoke the security clearances of a handful of former officials who have been critical of his rhetoric and actions toward Russia, the White House announced Monday, in a move that immediately prompted claims of political retaliation.

White House press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said the officials being examined are former CIA director John Brennan; former FBI director James B. Comey; former CIA director Michael V. Hayden; former national security adviser Susan E. Rice; former director of national intelligence James R. Clapper Jr.; and former FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe.

“The president is exploring these mechanisms to remove security clearances because they’ve politicized and, in some cases, actually monetized their public service and their security clearances in making baseless accusations of improper contact with Russia or being influenced by Russia,” Sanders told reporters at a regular press briefing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/rand-paul-says-hell-ask-trump-to-revoke-former-cia-director-john-brennans-security-clearance/2018/07/23/8eb11ccc-8e7c-11e8-b769-e3fff17f0689_story.html

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 July 2018 19:50 (seven years ago)

eh who cares all those people are assholes, things will still get leaked

Οὖτις, Monday, 23 July 2018 19:52 (seven years ago)

How dare they monetize their public service eh?

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Monday, 23 July 2018 19:52 (seven years ago)

next he will explore putting them in jail

Dan S, Monday, 23 July 2018 19:53 (seven years ago)

i'm sure if the Grifter lives to be an ex-prez, there will be no monetizing

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 July 2018 19:53 (seven years ago)

in orbit otm, DELETE YOURSELF, FROM THE WHITE HOUSE, FROM PLANET EARTH

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 23 July 2018 19:54 (seven years ago)

Seems like a pretty troubling abuse of power. Bad to be glib about.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 23 July 2018 19:55 (seven years ago)

I'm honestly not sure why people don't immediately lose their security clearance the instant they leave their jobs.

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 23 July 2018 19:57 (seven years ago)

well you hafta know what's going on if yer a deep stater

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 July 2018 19:59 (seven years ago)

you can lizard any time you like, but you can never molt iirc

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 23 July 2018 20:00 (seven years ago)

Their access* would have ended then, not their clearances.

Clearance is administrative process to determine if somebody is or remains eligible to access classified materials. One’s actual access to that material is a function of need-to-know. https://t.co/OMT3H9fqEz

— Luke O'Brien (@luke_j_obrien) July 23, 2018

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 23 July 2018 20:01 (seven years ago)

Seems like a pretty troubling abuse of power. Bad to be glib about.

on the scale of troubling abuses of power by this administration, this barely registers

Οὖτις, Monday, 23 July 2018 20:01 (seven years ago)

Weird how there’s no deep state operatives in the IRS.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 23 July 2018 20:01 (seven years ago)

I just texted @Comey asking whether he even has a security clearance to revoke.

“Nope,” he responded. There’s nothing for POTUS to revoke. Comey says he was “read out” when he left government as per normal practice. 1/2

— Benjamin Wittes (@benjaminwittes) July 23, 2018

He even recently declined a temporary clearance from the IG to read the classified annex to the IG’s recent report. He didn’t want to see any classified material lest the president accuse him of leaking it. 2/2

— Benjamin Wittes (@benjaminwittes) July 23, 2018

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2018 20:25 (seven years ago)

Won’t someone think of the retired natsec people who shill for defense contractors pic.twitter.com/FIPhUaIglL

— Eoin Higgins (@EoinHiggins_) July 23, 2018

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 23 July 2018 20:34 (seven years ago)

I like when Eoin attacked Bernie for endorsing Hillary and said Jeb not endorsing Trump meant he was the more principled of the two.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 23 July 2018 21:03 (seven years ago)

how is that at all relevant to the point at hand, unless you're more into cultivating your blacklist than the actual sentiment

mh, Monday, 23 July 2018 21:05 (seven years ago)

“blacklist”

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 23 July 2018 21:11 (seven years ago)

That's a thing you quoted

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 23 July 2018 21:27 (seven years ago)

this is good

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/23/us/gerrymandering-states.html

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 23 July 2018 22:09 (seven years ago)

oh I was just going to post that! It's encouraging. Ballot initiative is a smart strategy because you can circumvent the majority in the state legislature, and the initiative itself is non-partisan and probably will sound good to voters.

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 23 July 2018 23:07 (seven years ago)

NEW: Trump’s legal team has submitted a "counteroffer" to special counsel Robert Mueller saying Trump will (maybe) answer questions about collusion with Russia but not about obstruction of justice.

*that's not how this works*https://t.co/EfVPC3Pbmd

— Caroline O. (@RVAwonk) July 23, 2018

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2018 23:49 (seven years ago)

He can't be trusted to understand what to say when asked about obstruction of justice, because it is too subtle for his mind to grasp.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 23 July 2018 23:52 (seven years ago)

"I didn't wouldn't do the thing I didn't do."

"Thank you, that's all."

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 July 2018 23:53 (seven years ago)

...Which 1000% makes me want to press for obstruction charges in lieu of collusion.

After all, remember we are talking about idiots. It is just slightly possible that they didn't knowingly collude (because they are dumb and had no idea what things would work and what things wouldn't).

But they sure as hell obstructed! Once they realized what they'd gotten away with, they set about trying clumsily to bury the bodies and cover their tracks and throw non-true-believers under the bus.

(I hate that phrase btw - you can't really throw someone under a bus while you yourself are on the selfsame bus.)

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 00:00 (seven years ago)

you only throw people under an oncoming bus, that's just how it's done

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 00:02 (seven years ago)

non sequitor but i'd like to throw trump off the train in the same way that danny devito is driven to throw momma from the train

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 00:08 (seven years ago)

Sparkle, then why is the expression THE bus rather than A bus?

I was hit by a car = whatever car happened to be passing.

I was hit by the car = a specific car that everyone listening knows about.

I went to a bar = whatever bar was convenient

I went to the bar = our usual local bar

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 00:30 (seven years ago)

the bus = the campaign, in its remorseless progress toward office

j., Tuesday, 24 July 2018 00:36 (seven years ago)

guys it's idiomatic there is no actual bus

com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 00:54 (seven years ago)

the actual bus is the basis for the idiomatic bus

j., Tuesday, 24 July 2018 00:58 (seven years ago)

the phrase is from the 13th century and "bus" refers to a particularly ornery type of ox

com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 01:04 (seven years ago)

you and are are both on the bus. it's our bus, insofar as we're both headed to the same destination. we both anticipated some reward for our time on the bus. however, at some point, I realize that there's not going to be any reward for me when I get there. if somebody else offers me a reward comparable to the one I'd been expecting, provided I offer some blood libation in exchange, I might want to throw you under the bus to get it. or I might do so just because I'm pissed off about riding the bus for so long and then finding out I wasn't going to get to the last stop. Jung expands on this metaphor more in his Seven Sermons to the Dead.

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 01:14 (seven years ago)

guys it's idiomatic there is no actual bus

― com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Monday, July 23, 2018 7:54 PM (eighteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

August thread title nom

Dan I., Tuesday, 24 July 2018 01:21 (seven years ago)

seconded

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 01:41 (seven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hak0hVgAZ0g

com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 01:57 (seven years ago)

I want the August thread to be titled "Sort of a double negative"

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 02:58 (seven years ago)

i predict the August thread will be named for something insane that happens in the next 8 days

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 03:07 (seven years ago)

Corey Robin and Ryan Cooper have been going back and forth on Russiagate.

http://www.ryanlouiscooper.com/2018/07/russiagate-and-left-round-ii.html

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 03:15 (seven years ago)

I wanted August to be "doubly negative" but Dr Morbius is right: something else will happen.

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 10:41 (seven years ago)

eight days is like eight years at this point

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 10:44 (seven years ago)

Tariffs!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 11:55 (seven years ago)

Don't like it!

This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 12:07 (seven years ago)

From that Ryan Cooper blog:

the League of the South launched a Russian-language page to reach out to Russian nationalists immediately after the Helsinki summit. "We understand that the Russian people and Southerners are natural allies in blood, culture, and religion," the organization's president wrote.

Maybe totally 'a-doy' to everyone else, but this is the first time I've made this connection. Of course racists who perpetuate the mythology of 'Caucasians' would embrace Russia as their brothers-in-arms.

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 12:08 (seven years ago)

they're welcome to each other

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 12:26 (seven years ago)

Tariffs are the greatest! Either a country which has treated the United States unfairly on Trade negotiates a fair deal, or it gets hit with Tariffs. It’s as simple as that - and everybody’s talking! Remember, we are the “piggy bank” that’s being robbed. All will be Great!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 24, 2018

tariffs are so hot right now!

frogbs, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 12:48 (seven years ago)

there's that pulsating business brain at work, what a sight to behold

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 12:52 (seven years ago)

xxpost It's just one of those things I've been puzzling over, how conservatives managed in such a relatively short time to transition from red-bating McCarthyites to kissing Putin like a kitten. To the extent that conservatism = promotion of white supremacy and the myth of white supremacy is informed by wildly-inaccurate notions of white people's origins, this might go at least a little way toward explaining the shift.

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 12:53 (seven years ago)

i can't stop looking at 'everybody's talking!', like international trade tariffs are the topic of excited conversations at watercoolers all over the world

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 12:54 (seven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AzEY6ZqkuE

No organ. (crüt), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 12:55 (seven years ago)

The business community was concerned until the president noted that tariffs are 'the greatest', and now lots of people are saying the Dow jumped eleventy-bazillion points within the past minute.

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 12:58 (seven years ago)

'everybody's talking at me / i can't hear a word they're saying / only the echoes of my mind' should be the trump family motto

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 13:00 (seven years ago)

All will be Great!

This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 13:04 (seven years ago)

tariffs are tarrific

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 13:25 (seven years ago)

donnie's gone kookoo for tariffs - and everybody's talking! this tuesday on fox at 8/7 central!

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 13:31 (seven years ago)

lol/sob/lol

Fox & Friends had Daily Caller editor @VAKruta on to discuss the fear she felt attending @Ocasio2018 rally.

"They talk about things everybody wants, especially if you're a parent. They talk about education for your kids, health care... it was really uncomfortable." #BeyondParody pic.twitter.com/BULE0KFuPJ

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) July 24, 2018

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 13:32 (seven years ago)

How dare they talk about things people want. The only acceptable things to want are #winning and #libtears

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 13:36 (seven years ago)

Quick! We need strategists to save us from these very popular ideas articulated by a young person! https://t.co/jbqd8C3lRZ

— Brian Schatz (@brianschatz) July 24, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 13:47 (seven years ago)

lol @ at that banner

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 13:51 (seven years ago)

'oh noes, very modest social safety-net proposals, which would put the usa on a par with most other countries in the developed world!' *recoils in terror*

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 13:51 (seven years ago)

'it is good not bad that getting cancer will bankrupt my family!'

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 13:51 (seven years ago)

The problem isn't that the young person is promoting popular ideas but that she's suggesting that anyone but white people should benefit from their implementation.

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 13:51 (seven years ago)

This faked interview of @Ocasio2018 by @CRTV has nearly 1 million views on Facebook. In less than 24 hours.

Interview didn't happen. It takes clips from @MargaretHoover's show and edits in faux questions.

Not labeled satire (other than a 😉 emoji).https://t.co/ipUPsOoyLH

— Shane Goldmacher (@ShaneGoldmacher) July 24, 2018

obligatory:

https://frinkiac.com/meme/S06E09/683281/m/Tm8sIE1zLiBPY2FzaW8tQ29ydGV6LiAKRG9uJ3QgdGFrZSB5b3VyIGFuZ2VyIApvdXQgb24gbWUh

evol j, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 13:53 (seven years ago)

wtf at that video

if that's the best the right can do to oppose ocasio-cortez then i look forward to the implementation of fully automated luxury gay space communism in america very soon

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 13:57 (seven years ago)

Constructing a fake interview to oppose your agenda rn.

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 14:00 (seven years ago)

'he claims to be for socialism but he wipes his ass with goose necks: what is bizarro gazzara hiding?'

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 14:06 (seven years ago)

bizarro, what development are you most interested in seeing for the future of the USA?

'i look forward to the implementation of fully automated luxury gay space communism in america very soon'

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 14:12 (seven years ago)

lmao that segment is amazing

"it's easy to see them falling into the trap of thinking...my children deserve this"

frogbs, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 14:29 (seven years ago)

extra lol @ "it seems so difficult to be so angry all the time"

frogbs, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 14:30 (seven years ago)

All voters mostly want money . two ways to offer it
1. WE CUT ALL TAXES
2. WE PROVIDE GOVT PROGRAMS AND HANDOUTS

which will win!

the rub is no politicians actually want to give them any money

Rabbit Control (Latham Green), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 14:38 (seven years ago)

The attorney general of the united states just joined a chant of "lock her up" at an event in DC.

— Dafna Linzer (@DafnaLinzer) July 24, 2018

mookieproof, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 14:38 (seven years ago)

i could be wrong but i think that lady on F&F was explaining that the people at the event had said they were tired of being angry all the time, and that they preferred to do something about it? she sounded like her entire worldview had just taken a logistical fuckin beatdown, like she's about to start knocking on doors for O-C tomorrow if not for that one sliver she's holding onto which is that "these priorities must be paid for" O NOES i'm still a conservative i'm still a conservative

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 14:42 (seven years ago)

that whole segment is basically a real-life version of that mitchell and webb sketch where the nazi officers suddenly realise they're the bad guys

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 14:45 (seven years ago)

All I wanted was a tax cut
Just one tax cut
And she wouldn't give it to me

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 14:45 (seven years ago)

Has there been anyone in the history of human civilization who were as ingracious and butthurt about winning as the GOP of today? Like, I just need to take a second to remind myself that they've had complete control over the country for the better part of two years, and they still spend this much time and energy sobbing about their defeated opponents. Fuuuuuuuuucksake.

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 14:46 (seven years ago)

And they didn’t even win

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 14:49 (seven years ago)

Well, I mean they did, sort of, but you know. Wasn’t exactly Reagan-Mondale

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 14:49 (seven years ago)

the one thing the gop are effective at is identifying and scapegoating their enemies, so now that the overton window is finally shifting a little to the left they find themselves in the hilarious position of having to explicitly come out against plainly-stated, entirely sane positions like 'everyone should have healthcare' and 'everyone should have an education'

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 14:50 (seven years ago)

Breathing is a privilege, not a right.

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 14:53 (seven years ago)

sorry i'm just now getting to "tariffs are the greatest!"

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 14:54 (seven years ago)

Should the freeloaders in this country have the same access to the life-giving sun that the rest of us work so hard to enjoy?

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 14:55 (seven years ago)

Thing about that Overton window is it seems to be opening wide in both directions. For example, according to mookie our attorney general is chanting “lock her up” in reference to the political opponent his party recently defeated. Even people like Sessions are finding new ways to be awful and still be accepted

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 14:56 (seven years ago)

Hooray!

Paul Ryan, asked about White House saying Trump could revoke security clearances: “I think he’s trolling people.”

— Haley Byrd (@byrdinator) July 24, 2018

Scoop: Trump admin to announce billions in aid for farmers suffering losses from trade retaliation @ceboudreau, @ABehsudi & me here: https://t.co/aGeksAbDhg

— Helena Bottemiller Evich (@hbottemiller) July 24, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 14:58 (seven years ago)

Someone should send some reporters out to the heartland to ask if they realized they’d be serving as infantrymen in the war against trade

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:00 (seven years ago)

luv2spend billions of public money to balance out the damage i've done to private profits by applying tariffs because tariffs are the Greatest!

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:01 (seven years ago)

Lmao those immigrants are so triggered that we put them in those concentration camps. le epic win

frogbs, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:03 (seven years ago)

The Speaker of the House just kinda breezily asserting that the POTUS is trolling people about revoking security clearances for the lulz, as presidents will do. Everything is just fine, yessir.

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:03 (seven years ago)

'Guys, come on: it's just the president. You gotta stop taking the things he says so seriously. Get one sense of humor!'

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:04 (seven years ago)

what's Trump's next step? Go back to the Gold standard?

Rabbit Control (Latham Green), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:05 (seven years ago)

reintroduce slavery

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:06 (seven years ago)

I want to see every one of these enabling motherfuckers chained together on the side of the highway breaking rocks in the baking sun and only occasionally managing the constant barrage of bottles and tire jacks hurled at them by passing automobiles.

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:07 (seven years ago)

looks like ILX is great training to be prezdint

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:07 (seven years ago)

I'd vote for you, Morbs.

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:09 (seven years ago)

this is how you troll folks

https://www.reddit.com/r/WatchPeopleDieInside/comments/8njl3j/politican_brutally_assassinated/?ref=share&ref_source=link

frogbs, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:11 (seven years ago)

i could watch that all day

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:13 (seven years ago)

that URL just screams "DO NOT CLICK!!!!"

ant banks and wasp (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:13 (seven years ago)

it is incredibly pro-click

frogbs, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:14 (seven years ago)

Yea it's not goatse.cx

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:14 (seven years ago)

"reintroduce slavery"

this is effectively what txxxx's private-prison cronies are doing, with a workforce provided by the US government's indefensible policies.

ian, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:18 (seven years ago)

and hey, the employmenet numbers for neo-nazis are going up too! those prisons need workers.

ian, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:18 (seven years ago)

xps ok yeah that's funny

ant banks and wasp (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:19 (seven years ago)

does anybody think $12b in farm aid is gonna cut it cuz I kinda doubt it

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:21 (seven years ago)

just to go back to that daily caller writer's soul-shaking experience at the ocasio-cortez rally, here's part of the article she wrote and lol she is right on the verge of becoming a hardcore socialist

But then Ocasio-Cortez spoke, followed by Bush, and I saw something truly terrifying. I saw just how easy it would be, were I less involved and less certain of our nation’s founding and its history, to fall for the populist lines they were shouting from that stage.

I saw how easy it would be, as a parent, to accept the idea that my children deserve healthcare and education.
I saw how easy it would be, as someone who has struggled to make ends meet, to accept the idea that a “living wage” was a human right.
Above all, I saw how easy it would be to accept the notion that it was the government’s job to make sure that those things were provided.

I watched as both Ocasio-Cortez and Bush deftly chopped America up into demographics, pointed out how those demographics had been victimized under the current system, and then promised to be the voice for those demographics. The movement, Ocasio-Cortez shouted, “knows no zip code. It knows no state. It knows no race. It knows no gender. It knows no documented status.”

Bush, after saying her piece, noted that she had been careful to allow speakers from across all demographics to make it clear that she was not running to represent just one particular group, but all.

I left the rally with a photo — in part to remind myself of that time I crashed a rally headlined by a socialist, but also in part to remind myself that there, but for the grace of God, go I.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/23/conservative-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-rally/

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:23 (seven years ago)

Praise the Lord!

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:25 (seven years ago)

There's nothing quite as existentially terrifying as finding oneself very nearly convinced by a sound and rational argument for the just and humane treatment of others. Pretty sure there's a Lovecraft story that mines similar territory.

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:27 (seven years ago)

what a amazing feat that the wealthy have for so long convinced the americans to vote for rulers who will give them none of their money! - and yet no revolution

Rabbit Control (Latham Green), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:28 (seven years ago)

jesus must truly have been the son of god to convince stone cold morons (people) to like love one another, things of that nature

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:30 (seven years ago)

xxpost Actually, it's like a reverse version of 'The Outsider' where someone is totally resigned to being a monster and then looks in a mirror and is horrified that they might actually be human under the layers of hate.

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:30 (seven years ago)

there, but for the grace of God the crushing pressures of maintaining a tribal identity and unemployability anywhere but the dumbest of right-wing sites, go I.

ant banks and wasp (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:31 (seven years ago)

One of the biggest mindfucks wrt this particular brand of tribalism has always been and will always be the extent to which it isn't even self-serving for many of its adherents. Conservatives in lower-income brackets would totally benefit from a more socialist government if it wasn't so important to keep the oligarchs in power (because that money is going to start trickling down aaaaaaaaany day now, just you wait).

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:34 (seven years ago)

(I continue to believe that the Venn diagram of 'conservatives' and 'people who worship the word of their infallible daddy' is a nearly-perfect circle and that this goes a very long way toward explaining away what would otherwise appear to be the logical inconsistencies and self-defeating behavior of conservatives.)

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:38 (seven years ago)

I don’t think they mind the socialism. They mind that non-whites or libruls might benefit, too.

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:38 (seven years ago)

I mean I would go as far to say that most American men want to be topped by a man called “Coach” so xp

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:42 (seven years ago)

Another long anthropological piece talking to Southern Baptists recently and there's a bit where a woman literally spells out "when Jesus said love thy neighbor, that means love thy American neighbor; when He said help those in need He meant help those in need who came here legally."

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:42 (seven years ago)

not a Samaritan in sight

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:45 (seven years ago)

samaritans were from the west bank iirc, they'd be bulldozer-fodder nowadays so who gives a hit what they thought

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:47 (seven years ago)

Jesus had amazing foresight wrt the formation of future nations and their immigration laws.

I often think I'm incapable of being surprised by the depths of stupidity people are able to plumb, but nope.

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:49 (seven years ago)

this paragraph near the beginning of that daily caller piece is so sad:

Over the years, I have attended my share of political events: tea party protests, a Rick Perry speech on tax cuts, a Ted Cruz rally, and even a speech given by President Donald Trump earlier this year. But nothing prepared me for the stark difference in tone.

yeah, the tone is usually different when you're not surrounded by assholes

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:50 (seven years ago)

well if they felt it necessary to specify him as a "good" samaritan, logic follows that there must be many many "bad" samaritans out there trying to take our jobs

ant banks and wasp (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:50 (seven years ago)

this is true bible scholarship, thank u voodoo chili

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:52 (seven years ago)

The most important thing to remember when asking WWJD is that Jesus was a seething font of unbridled hatred.

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:57 (seven years ago)

did jesus think your kids deserve healthcare? fuck no he didn't *fires six-guns into the air, hollers*

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 15:59 (seven years ago)

LMAO

I’m very concerned that Russia will be fighting very hard to have an impact on the upcoming Election. Based on the fact that no President has been tougher on Russia than me, they will be pushing very hard for the Democrats. They definitely don’t want Trump!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 24, 2018

frogbs, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:00 (seven years ago)

the galaxy brain presidency strikes again

the bhagwanadook (symsymsym), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:02 (seven years ago)

gonna be fun when Trump declares the results of the 2018 illegitimate

frogbs, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:02 (seven years ago)

after he wins in a landslide

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:04 (seven years ago)

Q: “President Putin, did you want President Trump to win the election and did you direct any of your officials to help him do that?”
PUTIN: “Yes, I wanted him to win, because he talked about the normalization of Russian–American relations.”

- Helsinki, ONE FUCKING WEEK AGO YOU FUCKING DUMBASS GODDAMMIT

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:04 (seven years ago)

(note that this translation is slightly different than the official transcript, and of course the official transcript is misleading: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/07/putin-trump-election-translation/565481/)

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:04 (seven years ago)

FUCK

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:04 (seven years ago)

you're the puppet now comrade

This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:06 (seven years ago)

Fake newwwwwws!

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:08 (seven years ago)

i'm gonna lose my shit over here

by the way that entire question/answer doesn't appear in the Kremlin's version of the transcript

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:08 (seven years ago)

Huh, must be fake news, then.

I wonder what the impending Second Dark Age is going to be like.

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:17 (seven years ago)

we will light it up with our handheld devices

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:20 (seven years ago)

Can't wait to die

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:51 (seven years ago)

Good news: I'm sure the natural human lifespan will become increasingly protracted in the years to come.

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 16:56 (seven years ago)

Trump getting ratio'd on that tweet, even the bots can't save him

frogbs, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:41 (seven years ago)

He's back!

CHARLESTON, https://t.co/hmCf0wDifx. (AP) _ Former coal executive Don Blankenship says he intends to file paperwork to run in the West Virginia's U.S. Senate race as the Constitution Party's nominee. #wvsen

— Ken Thomas (@KThomasDC) July 24, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:42 (seven years ago)

great!

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:43 (seven years ago)

Trump's incessant waffling on the reality and nature of Russian interference looks like pure stupidity to a lot of us, but it does kick up massive amounts of dust around the whole issue for his supporters, who are inclined to believe him, but end up so confused they just shut down, or else pick and choose the most comforting and self-serving of his self-contradictory positions -- which is why he is careful to dismiss the whole thing as a fake, a fraud and a witch hunt, in between admissions that the interference was real.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:51 (seven years ago)

New Quinnipiac

This question should get a lot of attention. Majority of people believe that Putin has compromising information on Trump.

Has Information: 51%
Does not have information: 35%https://t.co/3urUD8I8Mo

— Benchmark Politics (@benchmarkpol) July 24, 2018

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 17:52 (seven years ago)

I am shocked - SHOCKED - that GOP House Leadership trolled their caucus

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/24/house-republicans-mccarthy-immigration-736248

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:22 (seven years ago)

Is compromising material involving a head of state still considered compromising when the norms of the state in question have imploded to the extent that its citizens are no longer surprised by the depths of their leader's depravity? I feel like Putin would need to have like an HD video of Trump beating an American citizen to death for it to have any meaningful impact at this point.

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:32 (seven years ago)

Most American voters hated him in 2016, most American voters hate him now.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:36 (seven years ago)

surely you mean "white, American male Republican citizen" there

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:36 (seven years ago)

like if Trump beat AOC to death his base wouldn't bat an eye

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:36 (seven years ago)

granted in reality his tiny baby hands would just flail helplessly while she kicked him in the nuts, but hypothetically

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:37 (seven years ago)

Yeah, I mean, I don't know how much impact it would have on public opinion but one would hope the wheels of justice would start lazily wheezing into motion at that point. But who knows. If there wasn't that much of a public uproar, I guess things might just keep on keepin' on.

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:40 (seven years ago)

Trump would invoke national security, FOX would whip up fears of socialism, and Chief Justice Roberts would cite judicial deference to presidential judgment

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:43 (seven years ago)

What the fuck is your requirement for a public uproar? It’s like polls don’t matter, protests don’t matter, you’d rather stick to a fluke result in the electoral college and the fact that 27% of the population will always be with this dude no matter what. It’s like you’re gaslighting yourself to stay comfortably immiserated.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:46 (seven years ago)

Trump's incessant waffling on the reality and nature of Russian interference looks like pure stupidity to a lot of us, but it does kick up massive amounts of dust around the whole issue for his supporters, who are inclined to believe him purely stupid.

Get aboard the flappy bird, departing gate 19 (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:48 (seven years ago)

Dude, breathe. Trump has (afaik) not been captured engaging in mortal kombat with another person (yet). We're speculating about a hypothesis, and I'm sure most involved tongues are at least partially in cheek.

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:48 (seven years ago)

I’m just very tired of people acting like most of their fellow citizens think this guy is A-OK when that’s been demonstrably, objectively false from the get-go

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:51 (seven years ago)

like if Trump beat AOC to death his base wouldn't bat an eye

granted in reality his tiny baby hands would just flail helplessly while she kicked him in the nuts, but hypothetically

getting into some weirdly specific fantasy scenarios now

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:52 (seven years ago)

WOMP WOMP

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/ivanka-trump-to-wind-down-her-company/ar-AAAmgVq?ocid=spartandhp

But Wait...

Ivanka Trump has decided to wind down her company after deciding to pursue a career in public policy instead of returning to her fashion company.

http://skylandersfanon.wikia.com/wiki/File:Chris-morris-jumps-out-window-o.gif

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:52 (seven years ago)

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/skylandersfanon/images/c/ca/Chris-morris-jumps-out-window-o.gif/revision/latest?cb=20140625082633

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:53 (seven years ago)

also, GOP Senators are angry! Angry enough to... maybe think, in a non-binding abstract way, about possibly suggesting doing something!

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/24/trump-farmers-bailout-reaction-republicans-congress-737517

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 18:58 (seven years ago)

Roffle.

JUST IN: Kremlin says Putin not ready to accept Trump invite to Washington https://t.co/KRWT6p6cqz pic.twitter.com/S1SGRfQ0Ew

— The Hill (@thehill) July 24, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 19:00 (seven years ago)

hahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaa

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 19:01 (seven years ago)

Much glorious plan.

Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) tells @burgessev and me outside GOP lunch that 2 billion in trade assistance to farmers from Trump administration "this is becoming more and more like a Soviet-type of economy here" with "commissars" sprinkling around benefits.

— Alex Bolton (@alexanderbolton) July 24, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 19:02 (seven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-bgiiTxhzM

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 19:14 (seven years ago)

Quinnipac poll has Trump at -20% approval. He hasn't been that low since probably last fall

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 19:17 (seven years ago)

the Grifter was just friendzoned

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 19:21 (seven years ago)

jeez that’s humiliating, good work kremlin

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 19:22 (seven years ago)

the quinnipac poll also has 27% of americans (and only 66% of republicans) are proud of the president. that's not actually any worse than it was earlier this year, but i'm guessing that's not good for turnout in november.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 19:35 (seven years ago)

Oh hey

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/24/us/politics/rick-gates-elliott-broidy-trump-payments.html

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 19:49 (seven years ago)

Oh boo hoo

Wake me after those two have been found poor and destitute and unresponsive on a park bench in broad daylight with unrecoverable nervous system and organ damage

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 19:58 (seven years ago)

BRB!

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 20:04 (seven years ago)

Also, not surprising but

NEW: Breaking with @DevinNunes, Senate Intel Chair Richard Burr says there were "sound reasons" for judges to approve the FISA warrant on Page. "I don’t think I ever expressed that I thought the FISA application came up short,” he said. W/ @mkraju https://t.co/iBqZ3mMvvz

— Jeremy Herb (@jeremyherb) July 24, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 20:21 (seven years ago)

Took him a while to clarify that, I wonder why...

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 20:23 (seven years ago)

Lol man it's a bad week for Trump and his cronies

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 20:26 (seven years ago)

I know the WOMP WOMP is supposed to represent the "sad trombone" sound but every time I see it what I think of is instead is the sound of beating a dead horse

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 20:30 (seven years ago)

I wonder if Putin just recognizes that a WH visit would be obvious bad optics in the fallout of the bad summit press in a way the admin doesn’t. Similar to how in the press conference he gave Trump this perfect opening to reaffirm his opposition to the annexing of Crimea and Trump chose that moment to go after Hillary.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 20:31 (seven years ago)

I know the WOMP WOMP is supposed to represent the "sad trombone" sound but every time I see it what I think of is instead is the sound of beating a dead horse

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 6:30 AM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

In my mind WHOMP WHOMP is always drudge sirens.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 20:49 (seven years ago)

I thought it was some kind of regional variation of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ0iUNI0ncc

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 20:55 (seven years ago)

Lol

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/398632-mcconnell-putin-will-not-be-welcome-in-capitol

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 20:56 (seven years ago)

yay area variant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48o5C0fgjio

xp

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 20:56 (seven years ago)

Oh for the days when "The President remembered he had a phone and a pen" was what passed for Presidential controversy

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 21:03 (seven years ago)

Lolol Spicer refers to dossier author as Michael Steele in his book

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/398526-spicers-book-refers-to-dossier-author-as-michael-steele

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 21:32 (seven years ago)

he meant Danielle Steele

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 21:34 (seven years ago)

Nah, he genuinely thinks it's the Runaways/Bangles bass player's work.

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 21:36 (seven years ago)

Spicer is also a big fan of Kirk Steele iirc

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 21:38 (seven years ago)

speaking of fully automated luxury gay space communism:

Captain Kathryn Janeway of the USS Voyager reporting to @Ocasio2018 - I'm very interested in assisting your campaign and taking it to warp speed at RED ALERT! https://t.co/diRXFLtn5r

— Kate Mulgrew (@TheKateMulgrew) July 24, 2018

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 22:24 (seven years ago)

And she responded!

As a kid, my parents let me stay up late to watch Captain Janeway lead her crew home through desperate straits, while lost in the galaxy.

Couldn’t have had a better example of a leader for these times. Thank you @TheKateMulgrew! https://t.co/UjmTsI9t6f

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@Ocasio2018) July 24, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 22:27 (seven years ago)

this is good #content

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 24 July 2018 22:28 (seven years ago)

How helpful!

New: The White House has suspended the practice of publishing public summaries of President Trump's phone calls with world leaders. Bringing an end to a common exercise from Republican and Democratic administrations. @kaitlancollins scoops https://t.co/DioyEvn3Ka

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) July 24, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 July 2018 23:45 (seven years ago)

Aw:

On the first couple’s recent trip overseas, Melania Trump’s television aboard Air Force One was tuned to CNN. President Trump was not pleased.

He raged at his staff for violating a rule that the White House entourage should begin each trip tuned to Fox — his preferred network over what he considers the “fake news” CNN — and caused “a bit of a stir” aboard Air Force One, according to an email obtained by The New York Times. The email, an internal exchange between officials in the White House Military Office and the White House Communications Agency last Thursday, also called for the ordering of two additional televisions to support Beam, a TiVo-like streaming device, to make sure the president and first lady could both watch TV in their separate hotel rooms when they travel.

At the end of the email chain, officials confirmed that tuning the TVs to Fox would be standard operating procedure going forward.

The channel-flipping flap was the latest example of how Mr. Trump, at a pivotal moment in his presidency, is increasingly living in a world of selected information and bending the truth to his own narrative.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 00:27 (seven years ago)

who is the commissar at fox now with ailes gone? i mean rupert murdoch got his tax cut; is he really down with the rest of this stuff as well?

mookieproof, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 00:33 (seven years ago)

xxpost Once again, something relatively value-free that he could have just allowed to keep happening and surely even massaged to suit his own ends, but hey, why pass up the opportunity to pointlessly behave like a shitty criminal very badly covering his tracks.

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 00:35 (seven years ago)

re: fox, quite a list of people in the running to replace sarah sanders when she eventually leaves (later this year, supposedly)

At the top of the list is Heather Nauert, the current State Department spokeswoman and former Fox News host...

Other possibilities include Bill Hemmer, a Fox News reporter; Kimberly Guilfoyle, a former Fox News host who recently left the network to join a pro-Trump outside group; Treasury Department spokesman Tony Sayegh, who worked closely with the White House on its overhaul of the tax code and used to be a Fox News contributor; and White House deputy press secretary Raj Shah.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 00:40 (seven years ago)

(from https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/23/sarah-sanders-white-house-aides-736247)

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 00:40 (seven years ago)

State-run propaganda network what

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 00:47 (seven years ago)

So what I'm getting from that Times story is that when Trump and Melania are waving from a balcony or the AF1 steps, that's as much time as they ever spend together, basically? Separate rooms in the White House, separate hotel rooms when they travel?

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 00:54 (seven years ago)

Does seem to be the case, doesn't it.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 00:59 (seven years ago)

They haven’t slept in the same room since Bannon was two trimesters out from existence, I’d assume.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 01:12 (seven years ago)

Let’s hear some more from our right-wing comrades about “anchor babies,” shall we?

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 01:13 (seven years ago)

Isn't Guilfoyle dating a Trumpson?

I think I read that, but then I remember that I hate everything and don't care and nothing matters

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 01:15 (seven years ago)

Nune's wikipedia page is kinda funny rn

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 01:18 (seven years ago)

bah someone caught it

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 01:19 (seven years ago)

Guilfoyle fits in well with the cast of characters.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/18/Dynasty_%281981%29_title_card.jpg

earlnash, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 01:20 (seven years ago)

Why would anyone taint themselves with Trumpseed.

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 02:01 (seven years ago)

Isn't Guilfoyle dating a Trumpson?

Don Jr. And she is also Gavin Newsom's ex-wife???

tokyo rosemary, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 02:01 (seven years ago)

Hmm, there is a pool of literally billions of people that I could choose for a mate, hey I know, why not one of the Trump family. Gee, I sure am thirsty, what liquid shall I imbibe, perhaps some toxic runoff this evening, why not.

Hi My father very Rusted Root with me what can I do? (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 02:14 (seven years ago)

this guy would date a Trump https://www.sfgate.com/world/article/drink-cursed-sarcophagus-liquid-petition-mummy-13092684.php

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 02:39 (seven years ago)

So uh the tape?

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 03:00 (seven years ago)

"I need to open up a company for the transfer of all of that info regarding our friend David," Cohen said in the recording, likely a reference to American Media head David Pecker. https://t.co/onFlYeTigl

— Phil Mattingly (@Phil_Mattingly) July 25, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 03:15 (seven years ago)

American Media David Peckerhead.

nickn, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 06:19 (seven years ago)

somebody get me a coke

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 10:38 (seven years ago)

I like to imagine he wasn't asking that of any one particular person, that he just pounds his fists on his desk like an angry baby in a high chair and petulantly cries out for a Coke until someone brings him one to shut him the fuck up.

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 11:53 (seven years ago)

Good mourning!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 12:05 (seven years ago)

What kind of a lawyer would tape a client? So sad! Is this a first, never heard of it before? Why was the tape so abruptly terminated (cut) while I was presumably saying positive things? I hear there are other clients and many reporters that are taped - can this be so? Too bad!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 25, 2018

terminated (cut)

frogbs, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 13:13 (seven years ago)

"while i was presumably saying positive things" is amazing

This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 13:14 (seven years ago)

can't believe a lawyer with the outstanding credentials and obvious moral fibre of michael cohen would stoop to this, it's disgusting

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 13:19 (seven years ago)

also lol at 'other clients' - michael cohen very famously had just two other clients, one of whom is sean hannity and the other is very likely a paid stooge who helped trump cover up a pregnancy and/or abortion

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 13:21 (seven years ago)

He's heard of other clients being taped? Or he's never heard of it? Which is it?

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 13:22 (seven years ago)

"Stormy Daniels would make a great Prime Minister ..."

Mark G, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 13:22 (seven years ago)

gee i wonder what's the race of Brian Kemp's "crime-loving" opponent?

evol j, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 13:24 (seven years ago)

Allow me to cast my vote for the August thread title to include 'can this be so?' because it is killing me rn.

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 13:26 (seven years ago)

I can see his hand fluttering to his chest as he gasps just before saying it. Probably followed by a 'goodness gracious!'

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 13:27 (seven years ago)

This Twitter thread is worth a glance:

So, I had an interesting run-in with some Trumpers today, and it's story worth telling. (Mute now if you're not into story time.) I was part of a panel at Harvard talking about the Helsinki summit. Afterwards, two middle-aged women had some, er, questions. /1

— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) July 25, 2018

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 13:27 (seven years ago)

Nune's wikipedia page is kinda funny rn

― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, July 24, 2018 9:18 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

bah someone caught it

― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, July 24, 2018 9:19 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Were there grapefruit references?

Polly of the Pre-Codes (j.lu), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 13:28 (seven years ago)

“Can it be so?” Is something a silver age pontificating bat-villain says before he’s lowered into the diabolical machine he invented

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 13:29 (seven years ago)

from the thread unperson posted:

The other lady was nicer, and said that I was the only Never Trumper she'd met she thought was funny and engaging. (Hmph. Many of us are.) But I finally said: "These things you think are happening aren't really happening." /9

— Tom Nichols (@RadioFreeTom) July 25, 2018

gonna need a citation on that 'many of us are' there buddy

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 13:32 (seven years ago)

I think there is a tendency (I know I tend in this direction) to think of rational thought and behavior as a self-justifying end unto itself, and also to fool oneself into thinking that it's some sort of a priori facet of all the social constructs that we take for granted. But it's become clear that the value of rationality is up for debate, particularly when we've now seen just how far someone can get by dispensing with it altogether, how easy it is to override the systems we take for granted with a 'FAKE NEWS!' and a contemptuous jerk-off motion. In this environment, appeals to rationality are insufficiently incentivized for those who see a compelling reason to avoid the hassle. As such, I kinda feel like there needs to be a hardcore effort by anyone who cares to strongly disincentivize irrationality, to make people who disdain facts feel like utter pariahs. I don't know exactly what that looks like, but it feels like something we really need to start figuring out.

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 13:56 (seven years ago)

Like at the very least, there needs to be a zero tolerance policy of treating uninformed opinions like they have any place in a serious debate. They aren't 'the other side of the issue'.

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 13:59 (seven years ago)

Trump Administration, in Reversal, Will Resume Risk Payments to Health Insurers

The Trump administration, in an abrupt reversal, said Tuesday that it would restart a program that pays billions of dollars to insurers to stabilize health insurance markets under the Affordable Care Act.

The administration suspended the program less than three weeks ago, saying it was compelled to do so by a federal court decision in New Mexico.

But the administration said Tuesday that it would restore the program because otherwise health plans could become insolvent or withdraw from the market, causing chaos for consumers.

In adopting a new rule, the administration essentially accepted the arguments of critics, including consumer groups, health insurance companies and Democrats in Congress, who said that suspending the payments would cause turmoil in insurance markets.

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 14:07 (seven years ago)

xpost to OL: that's a much older problem! but definitely one sharpened by actors at the center of power, with enormous audiences, leaning so hard on "fake news" and "untruth."

This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 14:08 (seven years ago)

isn’t that so much of the reason for many anti trump people seeming extra exasperated now? (it certainly is why i’m exasperated.) it’s like attitudes about others’ basic humanity finally progressed to People 102 and trump et al are here to drag us back to remedial whiteness. like being forced back into a backwards ass small town high school after a semester of college or something

xp

maura, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 14:09 (seven years ago)

For real. I left my small town 20 years ago to get away from these people (and Betsy DeVos), and now I can't open my eyes in the morning without seeing a think-piece on what my old 7th grade bullies have to say about the evils of immigration and the gay agenda that's being forced down their throats these days (don't I wish).

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 14:53 (seven years ago)

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/trump-today-07-25-18/h_1dabed30fae7d6cd5299884deee5d314

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 15:06 (seven years ago)

I dont think Melania enjoyed the suggestion that POTUS dictates her TV watching on AF1

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 15:07 (seven years ago)

“Did you know that every 15 minutes a baby is born with NAS?

damn the illmatic hitmaker has been gettin' busy

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 15:10 (seven years ago)

street dreams are made of these

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 15:11 (seven years ago)

A spokeswoman for the First Lady said, 'Mrs. Trump wants the world to know that she can spend time with whomever she damn well pleases, and she would also like to ask the world if it ever intends to clean up that disgusting mess it left in the bathroom.'

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 15:13 (seven years ago)

anti-bullying stances begin at home

maura, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 15:17 (seven years ago)

are our peer-nations as school-bully-enabling as we are? my junior high was like an armed camp run by the meanest kids while an openly cynical, underpaid faculty looked on, slightly (?) amused by all the cruelty

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 15:29 (seven years ago)

are our peer-nations as school-bully-enabling as we are?

My impression is yes, but not so much after the bullies pass the age of 16. Here, the masculine ideal remains a bully who uses his bully skills to become a multimillionaire before he’s even 30, in pro sports or investment banking or software solutions. Or music.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 15:48 (seven years ago)

Never mind I just realized that’s the same everywhere. So no, the real answer is that sadly we’re not special in that regard.

The electoral college is still pretty fucking special though.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 15:50 (seven years ago)

otm

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 15:52 (seven years ago)

looking ahead, I'm worried what kind of impact former president asshat will have. I assume he'll just keep posting shit with no repercussions, right? Will we have to deal with him driving the narrative even when he's out of office, until he's dead?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 15:56 (seven years ago)

Wish I could go back and inform my old school chums that a good number of bullies (excluding the true sociopaths, of course) relent pretty quickly once they realize you have no intention of dealing with their shit. I feel like this is a valuable life lesson even many adults would benefit from.

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 15:57 (seven years ago)

Re bullies et al, if anything our dumb country is less macho and male centric than most, imo.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 15:57 (seven years ago)

are our peer-nations as school-bully-enabling as we are? my junior high was like an armed camp run by the meanest kids while an openly cynical, underpaid faculty looked on, slightly (?) amused by all the cruelty

I've watched enough US high school movies to say the answer to this is a resounding no.

Re bullies et al, if anything our dumb country is less macho and male centric than most, imo.

You're kidding, right?

Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 15:58 (seven years ago)

Sometimes our man Josh doesn’t really think things all the way through before he says them.

El Tomboto, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 15:59 (seven years ago)

I think so? Like, much of South America is man centric, much of Africa, much of Asia? I don't know how to quantify it. Whole continents are much more socially conservative than America.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 16:02 (seven years ago)

Ah the bombast

This is quite the quote from Cohen as told by his attorney: "I am no longer the previous Michael Cohen that you knew — taking a bullet for Donald Trump, saying anything to defend him, being a good soldier. ... That is over."

— STU BURGUIERE (@WorldOfStu) July 25, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 16:03 (seven years ago)

I like the especially toxic fizz of pairing a man of Hispanic background and America.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 16:03 (seven years ago)

avenatti has been pretty solid on this cohen tape thing - - either release all the tapes and pledge not to accept any pardons, or you're just playing games to make yourself look good or get leverage on pardon potential.

This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 16:06 (seven years ago)

Well here's a returning name:

WSJ scoop: Michael Cohen in 2011 mediated a dispute between Omarosa and the National Enquirer over a story about her brother's murder. That year, she was named West Coast editor of an AMI magazine. She has since been interviewed by federal investigators. https://t.co/4ACwDcYbv0

— Rebecca Ballhaus (@rebeccaballhaus) July 25, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 16:20 (seven years ago)

The Manhattan U.S. attorney’s office subpoenaed American Media and the Trump Organization on the same day in early April that the FBI raided Mr. Cohen’s home, office and hotel room. It is unusual for investigators to subpoena media organizations for information related to their newsgathering without advance warning.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 16:23 (seven years ago)

Holy Christ, it's all happening at once here:

BREAKING: Federal judge gives go-ahead to lawsuit alleging that @realDonaldTrump is violating the Constitution b/c he still does business with foreign govts. Could open a window into secretive Trump Org.'s books and customers. https://t.co/j7ZdxJT4Yd

— David Fahrenthold (@Fahrenthold) July 25, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 16:27 (seven years ago)

well that took long enough

emoluments, baby

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 16:28 (seven years ago)

(THREAD) TEN REASONS THE FIRST COHEN TAPE IS MUCH WORSE THAN ANYONE YET REALIZES. Early coverage of this bombshell exclusive on CNN has missed almost the entirety of this story, which could shape Trump's presidency. Read on for more. And I hope you'll share this with others, too. pic.twitter.com/pZR0AJZvzT

— Seth Abramson (@SethAbramson) July 25, 2018

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 16:29 (seven years ago)

that's my seth

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 16:32 (seven years ago)

Is clickbait twitter a thing now?

Evan, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 16:32 (seven years ago)

He's the master of it.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 16:33 (seven years ago)

from that Abramthread:

REASON #7: TEAM TRUMP DOUBLED THE DECEIT QUOTIENT. The audio puts Trump at the center of a pre-election plot to lie to voters about info that could have swayed their votes, but now it's even worse, as Trump sent Giuliani out to lie to voters about a tape they can hear themselves.

— Seth Abramson (@SethAbramson) July 25, 2018

what

no

President Trump sent a lackey out to lie for him about something easily controvertible by facts and evidence?

how have we come to this, 19 months into his presidency

16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 16:39 (seven years ago)

Let's see ol' Donny Trump wriggle his way out of *this* jam

Neuer write off the germans (Bananaman Begins), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 16:46 (seven years ago)

Filter better have lyrics ready for "Hey Man, Nice Shot 2"

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 16:48 (seven years ago)

Dare to dream, dare to dream.

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 16:50 (seven years ago)

Spray on tan, got somethin for you
Spray on tan, gonna oppo dump it

This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 16:50 (seven years ago)

a pre-election plot to lie to voters about info that could have swayed their votes

difficult listening hour, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 16:51 (seven years ago)

https://studentblogs.le.ac.uk/bioscience/files/2013/07/The-End-756757.jpg

burzum buddies (brownie), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 16:52 (seven years ago)

Re bullies et al, if anything our dumb country is less macho and male centric than most, imo.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, July 25, 2018 10:57 AM (fifty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I know, for example, in Scotland, most schoolchildren are terrorized by Begbie

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 16:54 (seven years ago)

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/398799-soccer-ball-putin-gave-trump-contains-transmitter-chip-but-for-adidas

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 16:56 (seven years ago)

lmao at the current washington post top story:

"Trump pushes 25 percent auto tariff as top advisers scramble to stop him"

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 17:01 (seven years ago)

off topic, I'm sure he's a good guy but CA congressman Ted Lieu is maybe the biggest #resistance dork on Twitter I can't stop following him

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 17:04 (seven years ago)

LOL -- in 'the tape', interrupting donald and michael discussing pastors darell scott and mark burns, rhona graff sounds like she's saying, "sergey lavrov, he just called, when you have a chance, he had an idea for you"

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 17:20 (seven years ago)

Trump pushes 25 percent auto tariff

Automobiles are indeed vital, nay, critical to US national security!

They must be. Otherwise, the president would have to follow established procedures for imposing tariffs, which are relatively time-consuming, designed to be fair to all parties, and therefore make no big headlines and can be defended rationally on the evidence. Can you say B-O-R-I-N-G?

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 17:22 (seven years ago)

OTM. His twitter bio itself is cringey “I don’t take orders from Vladimir Putin” and he’s disconcertingly too too online but I saw him talking about the administration’s immigration policies on cable news once and he was really great.

off topic, I'm sure he's a good guy but CA congressman Ted Lieu is maybe the biggest #resistance dork on Twitter I can't stop following him
― The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown)

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 17:35 (seven years ago)

I know, for example, in Scotland, most schoolchildren are terrorized by Begbie


this is pretty otm tbf

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 17:37 (seven years ago)

Avenatti representing Michael Cohen would be a pretty awesome plot twist

I might write some fanfic about this

frogbs, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 18:09 (seven years ago)

that excerpt of the tape that CNN played is something else. trump is one of those people who never stops talking. cohen has to look for opportunities to get in a word or two while trump is forced to take a breath

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 18:10 (seven years ago)

i am still confused about why giuliani told a blatant lie, unprovoked, about trump wanting the payment to be via check so that it could be properly documented. classic projection of the crime, there - in the recording it is clear as day that trump wants it to be cash, and cohen immediately interjects "NO, NO, NO"

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 18:12 (seven years ago)

i mean, i know the answer is "giuliani is dumb and so is his client", but holy shit that's dumb

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 18:12 (seven years ago)

yeah but America's mayor

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 18:12 (seven years ago)

not the mayor america needs but the mayor america deserves

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 18:13 (seven years ago)

when you've lost Jonah, etc

The kind you’d hire? https://t.co/QnSAQifgOB

— Jonah Goldberg (@JonahNRO) July 25, 2018

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 18:19 (seven years ago)

uh I'm pretty sure he can't do this:

Trump promotes Jeanine Pirro's new book in Oval Office https://t.co/AI0ujxc9eD pic.twitter.com/4Ud0xKhh1S

— The Hill (@thehill) July 25, 2018

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 18:21 (seven years ago)

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/398799-soccer-ball-putin-gave-trump-contains-transmitter-chip-but-for-adidas

― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, July 25, 2018 11:56 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://i.imgur.com/ij7IZZI.png

frogbs, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 18:22 (seven years ago)

Ah wishful thinking

Bolton: The next Trump-Putin meeting "should take place after the Russia witch hunt is over" pic.twitter.com/lCQcnakhjy

— Jesse Rodriguez (@JesseRodriguez) July 25, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 18:34 (seven years ago)

How about instead they hold it when the 2016 election is over.

I won't hold my breath.

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 18:35 (seven years ago)

uh I'm pretty sure he can't do this

Impossible...things are happening every day!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd0fuaD-OwE

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 18:39 (seven years ago)

in the recording it is clear as day that trump wants it to be cash, and cohen immediately interjects "NO, NO, NO"

― Karl Malone, Wednesday, July 25, 2018 2:12 PM (twenty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you would think so but the youtube comments are overwhelmingly "trump says no cash, check"

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 18:40 (seven years ago)

every generation gets the zapruder film it deserves

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 18:50 (seven years ago)

New story: Emails show Michigan Republicans bragged about cramming 'Dem garbage' into gerrymandered districts https://t.co/2mwWM5i3fd

— Stephen Wolf (@PoliticsWolf) July 25, 2018

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 19:02 (seven years ago)

Cool district, fuckos

devops mom (silby), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 19:07 (seven years ago)

I love how Trump thinks "too bad" means "that's terrible"

- "my husband just passed away"

- "Too bad!"

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 19:10 (seven years ago)

too bad so sad

jmm, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 19:12 (seven years ago)

if Escape From New York was set in 2018 it would have been 15 minutes long and ended after snake declined to save the president

— drewtoothpaste (@drewtoothpaste) July 24, 2018

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 19:17 (seven years ago)

"too bad...have a great time"

frogbs, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 19:26 (seven years ago)

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/President-Donald-Trump-Star-Hollywood-Walk-Fame-Vandalized-489103611.html

Officers were called around 3:30 a.m. to the star's location on Hollywood Boulevard near Highland Avenue, where they found a small pile of rubble in place of the star that Trump received in January 2007 for his role in the NBC show "The Apprentice."

The star-smashing suspect, who reported the crime to police, later turned himself in to Beverly Hills police after leaving the pickax at the scene, according to the Los Angeles Police Department. He called police and said, "See you soon," Lt. Karen Leong of the LAPD's Hollywood Division told the Los Angeles Times.

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 20:05 (seven years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqWRaAF6_WY

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 20:13 (seven years ago)

tax returns?

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/25/632300960/federal-lawsuit-against-president-trumps-business-interests-allowed-to-proceed

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 20:18 (seven years ago)

In Russia, tax returns you!

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 21:23 (seven years ago)

It's the first ruling in federal court to define "emolument," which goes undefined in the U.S. Constitution's two emoluments clauses.

What a nice constitution!

Abercromb Metrion Finchos (Leee), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 21:49 (seven years ago)

pretty good comedic timing here

“Think about what you’re doing to kind of poison the well of society,” Ryan warned congressional interns of Twitter habits.
He then left for a Trump meeting. https://t.co/05iaY7h55U

— Paul Kane (@pkcapitol) July 25, 2018

frogbs, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 21:53 (seven years ago)

god what a prick

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 21:55 (seven years ago)

marcoooo

Rubio tells reporters he agrees with Pompeo and Corker after Corker said that Trump’s comments constantly contradict the administration’s policies and confuse US allies. Pompeo disputed that. Rubio said both are right.

— Manu Raju (@mkraju) July 25, 2018

mookieproof, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 21:55 (seven years ago)

What a nice constitution!

the founders were gods who made the perfect document which covered all possible future situations for the next 250 years

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 21:56 (seven years ago)

i would totally be down for a new constitutional convention, but oh yeah, all those republican dickheads

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 21:57 (seven years ago)

founders were just kidding about the 'general welfare' and 'well regulated militia' parts though

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 22:08 (seven years ago)

Liberty and juices for all

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 22:32 (seven years ago)

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/398857-doj-officials-say-nunes-still-hasnt-read-mostly-unredacted-fisa

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 22:36 (seven years ago)

I mean this shitbag has to know these scandals always end worse for Congressmen than they do for Presidents, right?

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 22:37 (seven years ago)

Are Nunes and Dana likely getting voted out in November? Please say yes.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 22:42 (seven years ago)

Nunes is gonna be a hard one to undeat

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 22:42 (seven years ago)

Unseat

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 22:42 (seven years ago)

Why do voters like him? Assholes?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 22:43 (seven years ago)

Repub district

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 22:44 (seven years ago)

there isn't anybody I'd rather see voted out, but it's central valley, for the most part very republican (although slowly changing)

Dan S, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 22:52 (seven years ago)

Dana Rohrabacher getting unseated is something I'm hoping for it may happen

Dan S, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 22:54 (seven years ago)

The Plankton with a Hairpiece (Fla.) has so much courage.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 23:18 (seven years ago)

Or maybe he doesn't. Both could be true, or neither. And that's my final word on the subject. Maybe.

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 23:21 (seven years ago)

I just filed a resolution with @Jim_Jordan and several colleagues to impeach Rod Rosenstein. The DOJ has continued to hide information from Congress and repeatedly obstructed oversight--even defying multiple Congressional subpoenas.

We have had enough.

— Mark Meadows (@RepMarkMeadows) July 25, 2018

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 23:26 (seven years ago)

Eh. Showboating that they're trying to get in under the deadline given the House vacates after tomorrow.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 23:32 (seven years ago)

IMPORTANT note: Conservatives chose NOT to file this as a privileged resolution. That means that they don't get to force a vote on it on the House floor. This avoids the GOP civil war that would take place if they DID try to force a vote on this. Rs VERY divided on the matter https://t.co/DGGBfP4aRc

— Rachael Bade (@rachaelmbade) July 25, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 23:36 (seven years ago)

Yeah this is just Meadows being a dick

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 25 July 2018 23:37 (seven years ago)

another symbolic move by the HOuse Freedom Cockfarm

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 25 July 2018 23:46 (seven years ago)

bastion of integrity jim jordan

maura, Thursday, 26 July 2018 00:40 (seven years ago)

hey wasn't this police department the one that was allegedly running a sting on strip clubs that just happened to catch stormy daniels? huh https://t.co/kTbqtSSyNA

— Charles, Star of MicDicta (@Ugarles) July 25, 2018

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 26 July 2018 00:51 (seven years ago)

hard to believe it's been a whole year since The Mooch Episode

we've been through so much it's impossible to keep track

mookieproof, Thursday, 26 July 2018 01:04 (seven years ago)

even a basic outline of what has happened would look 100x more complicated than a glen beck chalkboard

Karl Malone, Thursday, 26 July 2018 01:13 (seven years ago)

Other than the $1.6 trillion tax cut bill, the tariff idiocy, and his SCOTUS nominations, most of it has been pointless turmoil and trolling.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 26 July 2018 01:20 (seven years ago)

xpost I do wonder what novel-length acrostic he'd construct from the first letter of every name involved with this clusterfuck in order to sum it all up in that magical way of his.

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Thursday, 26 July 2018 01:20 (seven years ago)

100 Cohen tapes on the wall
100 Cohen tapes

New details about the more than 100 Michael Cohen recordings seized by the government. Some are of conversations with Trump, others with reporters. https://t.co/zPIlCs1ib5 pic.twitter.com/n4qcgOpA1x

— Philip Rucker (@PhilipRucker) July 26, 2018

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 26 July 2018 02:06 (seven years ago)

the OG refuses-to-die ghoul

EXCLUSIVE: Henry Kissinger pushed Trump to work with Russia to counter China. Such a thrill to work on this piece with @desiderioDC @swin24 and @samstein https://t.co/vv7qS4qoBO

— B. Allen-Ebrahimian (@BethanyAllenEbr) July 26, 2018

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 26 July 2018 02:37 (seven years ago)

https://targetsmart.com/analysis-after-parkland-shooting-youth-voter-registration-surges/

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 26 July 2018 03:21 (seven years ago)

welp there's a tough nut for the NRA to crack

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 26 July 2018 03:26 (seven years ago)

Other than the $1.6 trillion tax cut bill, the tariff idiocy, and his SCOTUS nominations, most of it has been pointless turmoil and trolling.

― A is for (Aimless)

and we're very fortunate it hasn't been worse. these situations with north korea, iran - they seriously keep me up at night. and others, too. like this little detail buried deep in this excellent piece about otto warmbier, the young man who returned to the united states in a stretcher and died shortly afterward:

Around the same time as Otto's death, U.S. hostilities with North Korea were growing heated. This was the period of “fire and fury,” and of Trump and Kim comparing who had the “bigger & more powerful” nuclear buttons. Behind the scenes in Washington, dovish diplomats, like Joseph Yun, were replaced by hawks, like John Bolton, one of the architects of the Iraq war. The likelihood of conflict grew so real that an American diplomat warned a Seoul-dwelling friend in confidence to move his assets out of South Korea.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 26 July 2018 03:37 (seven years ago)

XP Crack a nut you say...

https://frinkiac.com/video/S04E15/l6JrwDIBLtSZErTZJauK2Rme8gk=.gif

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 26 July 2018 03:39 (seven years ago)

lol

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 26 July 2018 04:13 (seven years ago)

Kissinger has sort of flipped his strategy since 1972

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 July 2018 11:19 (seven years ago)

relax everyone, president 4chan is on the case of the uh shadowbanned conservatives

Twitter “SHADOW BANNING” prominent Republicans. Not good. We will look into this discriminatory and illegal practice at once! Many complaints.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 26, 2018

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 26 July 2018 12:55 (seven years ago)

I think shutting down Twitter altogether is the only sensible solution.

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Thursday, 26 July 2018 12:56 (seven years ago)

as a regular twitter user I support this

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Thursday, 26 July 2018 12:59 (seven years ago)

I would, alternately, love to see him go so ham on them that they finally ban him from tweeting in retaliation.

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Thursday, 26 July 2018 12:59 (seven years ago)

If that happened I think we would see the platform compulsorily acquired by Executive Order.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 26 July 2018 13:02 (seven years ago)

i'd genuinely be interested in knowing how many visits to twitter each day are solely for the purpose of seeing what fresh madness @realdonaldtrump has unleashed

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 26 July 2018 13:03 (seven years ago)

solely for the purpose of seeing vs can't fucking avoid it

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 26 July 2018 13:05 (seven years ago)

I would guess not nearly enough to save their hemorrhaging stock prices once Donnie starts talking about what a bunch of sad losers they are.

There really isn't a single hand he won't bite out of pure spite.

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Thursday, 26 July 2018 13:07 (seven years ago)

in other news, i regret to inform you that antifa supersoldiers have carried out a daring naval attack on selfless civil servant betsy devos

A boat owned by the family of U.S. Secretary of Education Betsy DeVos was vandalized over the weekend while moored at a Huron dock, according to the Huron Police Department.

The Seaquest was moored at the Huron Boat Basin, 330 Main St., according to a police report. The captain of the 163-foot yacht, worth a reported $40 million, called police at about 6 a.m. Sunday, telling them that he and the crew realized at sunrise that someone had untied Seaquest from the dock, setting it adrift.

The crew eventually got control of the yacht, but not before it struck the dock, causing an estimated $5,000 to $10,000 in damage from large scratches and scrapes, according to the police report.

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 26 July 2018 13:07 (seven years ago)

I don't think T. knows how often shadowbanning is used on anti-Trump tweeps because they crossed the invisible line of civility. A very #resistance friend of mine was shadowbanned for saying "fratty douche, fratty douche, can you do the fandango" about a Trump supporter.

nonsensei (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 26 July 2018 13:11 (seven years ago)

If you're already untying the boat and kicking it loose, how hard is it to toss a couple of molotov cocktails on board before you leave? Seriously, I'm so tired of people half-assing things.

grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 26 July 2018 13:12 (seven years ago)

Very disappointed that the vandals couldn't be bothered to at least spraypaint a 'DSV' on the boat before cutting it loose.

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Thursday, 26 July 2018 13:13 (seven years ago)

fuckin millennials, disrespecting the memory of jonathan brandis

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 26 July 2018 13:14 (seven years ago)

(Only tangentially related, but it just occurred to me that Scheider did ultimately get his wish for a bigger boat.)

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Thursday, 26 July 2018 13:18 (seven years ago)

kinda weird for radical antifa soros leftists to go to the trouble of vandalizing a boat in a manner utterly indistinguishable from the crew doing a lousy job of tying it up the night before

This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 26 July 2018 13:23 (seven years ago)

no u see that's why it's such effective espionage - plausible deniability! these people are devious

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 26 July 2018 13:25 (seven years ago)

'These eggs are...way underdone. GODDAMN YOU, ANTIFAAAAAAA!!!'

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Thursday, 26 July 2018 13:26 (seven years ago)

Breaking: Donald Trump conspired with Michael Cohen to pay off multiple other women prior to Election Day in 2016. They were also concerned about a pregnancy. Cohen has evidence and info in his possession and it must be released to the public. Now! #Basta

— Michael Avenatti (@MichaelAvenatti) July 26, 2018

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 26 July 2018 13:30 (seven years ago)

one of those women? hillary clinton

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 26 July 2018 13:31 (seven years ago)

Audio tapes are fake news, Michael Cohen is a sad loser who Trump maybe said 'hello' to one time as he was passing by Trump Tower but who he's never even heard of, paternity tests are fake news and possibly antifa.

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Thursday, 26 July 2018 13:37 (seven years ago)

oy

https://www.hongkongfp.com/2018/07/26/breaking-video-eyewitnesses-report-explosion-outside-us-embassy-beijing/

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 26 July 2018 13:44 (seven years ago)

If that happened I think we would see the platform compulsorily acquired by Executive Order.

― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK)

so, basically, shutting down twitter altogether. it's a win-win!

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Thursday, 26 July 2018 13:44 (seven years ago)

I believe we should conduct a thorough investigation into how someone with an explosive device was able to get anywhere near this embassy in Benghazi Beijing. This seems like a real failure of leadership. Lock him up, I say.

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Thursday, 26 July 2018 13:51 (seven years ago)

The crew eventually got control of the yacht, but not before it struck the dock, causing an estimated $5,000 to $10,000 in damage from large scratches and scrapes, according to the police report.

Oh no, lawge scwatches and scwapes.

how's life, Thursday, 26 July 2018 13:52 (seven years ago)

You've clearly never had to shell out for the top-tier therapy one needs in order to deal with the social stigma of sailing around in an unsightly yacht. It's no laughing matter, my friend.

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Thursday, 26 July 2018 13:58 (seven years ago)

DeVos yacht untying only works if she was on it and it turns into a Gilligan's Island reboot

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 July 2018 14:01 (seven years ago)

'Oh, Betsy, dear. Money a little tight? Did you have to stop by the used yacht lot this year? Well, I'm sure the little people will still find it impressive.'

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Thursday, 26 July 2018 14:02 (seven years ago)

DeVos yacht untying only works if she was on it and it turns into a Gilligan's Island reboot Open Water 2.

Fixed.

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Thursday, 26 July 2018 14:03 (seven years ago)

(imagine a line through the accidentally-italicized words)

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Thursday, 26 July 2018 14:03 (seven years ago)

Fixed.

ftfy hth hand

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 26 July 2018 14:05 (seven years ago)

Untie My Yaaaaacht..

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 26 July 2018 14:23 (seven years ago)

assuming you're singing that to the tune of Pylon's "Feast on my Heart"

com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Thursday, 26 July 2018 14:24 (seven years ago)

via HOOS

Capitol Police giving children and parents a first warning that if they don’t stop protesting, they will be arrested #FamiliesBelongTogether pic.twitter.com/2cP1yn6579

— Jesus Rodriguez (@jesusrodriguezb) July 26, 2018

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 July 2018 15:27 (seven years ago)

avanetti seems like he's gonna run for president, ick

global tetrahedron, Thursday, 26 July 2018 15:38 (seven years ago)

think he's just running for a MSNBC hosting gig on weekday afternoons

Karl Malone, Thursday, 26 July 2018 15:50 (seven years ago)

or it's just God testing the "anyone but Trump" hypothesis

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 July 2018 15:53 (seven years ago)

BREAKING: Rep. Jim Jordan is announcing his run for speaker of the House today in a letter to colleagues - @AlexNBCNews

— NBC News (@NBCNews) July 26, 2018

lol obviously a perfect candidate

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 26 July 2018 15:57 (seven years ago)

presumably this would lead at least some of the republicans who have kept quiet about the whole "being cool with people jerking off while watching his wrestling team change clothes" thing to speak up, unless they're all cool with jim jordan being speaker of the house?

probably not, why would they say something about that

Karl Malone, Thursday, 26 July 2018 16:04 (seven years ago)

the spirit of Denny "Hasturbatin" Hastert lives on

Οὖτις, Thursday, 26 July 2018 16:06 (seven years ago)

People (Jim Jordan) fucking shameless.

Yerac, Thursday, 26 July 2018 16:06 (seven years ago)

they all are

i suppose they don't want to accuse him of having knowledge of heinous things while in a position and doing nothing, since that's exactly what they do all the time

Karl Malone, Thursday, 26 July 2018 16:08 (seven years ago)

while in a position ^of influence^

Karl Malone, Thursday, 26 July 2018 16:08 (seven years ago)

Reuters reports:

U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions on Thursday defended his deputy, Rod Rosenstein, and took a swipe at fellow Republicans in Congress who moved to impeach Rosenstein, who oversees the federal probe of Russia’s role in the 2016 presidential election.

“My deputy, Rod Rosenstein, is highly capable. I have the highest confidence in him,” Sessions said during an appearance in Boston. “What I would like Congress to do is to focus on some of the legal challenges that are out there,” including illegal immigration, the attorney general added.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 26 July 2018 16:20 (seven years ago)

"stop giving me a hard time! Let's remember what we're all here for, which is to oppress and murder brown people"

Οὖτις, Thursday, 26 July 2018 16:25 (seven years ago)

Please don't change this typo

BREAKING: Mueller examining Trump’s tweets about Jeff Sessions and Jim Comey as part of a wide-ganging obstruction inquiry, report @maggieNYT and @nytmike https://t.co/fQy2M7Yudi

— Christina Wilkie (@christinawilkie) July 26, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 July 2018 16:25 (seven years ago)

Nobody gets between me and my wide-ganging.

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Thursday, 26 July 2018 16:35 (seven years ago)

DC calling
gang-a gang-a gang-a

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 July 2018 16:41 (seven years ago)

Feel like someone should call Trump and say "hey, this call is a courtesy to let you know you've been Impeached in the House and convicted in Senate, please have your things out by noon" and see if he falls for it and starts freaking out on Twitter

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 26 July 2018 16:51 (seven years ago)

“If you’re going to obstruct justice, you do it quietly and secretly, not in public,” Mr. Giuliani said.

Unless you're a complete fucking idiot. (Like Trump.)

grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 26 July 2018 16:54 (seven years ago)

Is there any way the good people at Fox News could be viewed as accessories to obstruction? Assuming Mueller & co. go so far as to map out Trump's tweets and synch them up with whatever talking head happened to be spoonfeeding him his opinions at that particular time? Surely just a pipe dream, but Christ, if someone were sitting by his side and telling him the same shit you'd assume that they'd be in some potential hot water.

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Thursday, 26 July 2018 16:58 (seven years ago)

Hannity running his show from jail would be fun

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 26 July 2018 16:59 (seven years ago)

Is there any way the good people at Fox News could be viewed as accessories to obstruction?

Media rules means that would only go far; however, Hannity's clear closeness to Trump, not to mention Shine's path, probably has attracted plenty of specific interest already. (I'd be thinking less what was said on the air, more what was said privately/face to face.)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 July 2018 17:00 (seven years ago)

lmao at that giuliani quote

princess of hell (BradNelson), Thursday, 26 July 2018 17:03 (seven years ago)

https://www.vox.com/2018/7/26/17616888/rod-rosenstein-impeachment-vote-trump-mueller

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 26 July 2018 17:05 (seven years ago)

“If you’re going to obstruct justice, you do it quietly and secretly, not in public,” Mr. Giuliani said.

tbh this assumption has resulted in months and months of *guy slowly blinking in disbelief meme* at both avg and pro levels afaict. they only ones who dont blink are other grifters who just go the fucking hole.

Hunt3r, Thursday, 26 July 2018 17:09 (seven years ago)

Is there any way the good people at Fox News could be viewed as accessories to obstruction?

I....don't like this as precedent.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 July 2018 17:13 (seven years ago)

Trump on Iowa: "There's no place with more advanced thought."

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) July 26, 2018

mh can you confirm this

mookieproof, Thursday, 26 July 2018 17:18 (seven years ago)

God help us all.

Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Thursday, 26 July 2018 17:20 (seven years ago)

They didn't call them IOWA tests for nothin'!

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 26 July 2018 17:27 (seven years ago)

Iowa aced its Iowa Assessments test

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 26 July 2018 17:31 (seven years ago)

Is there any way the good people at Fox News could be viewed as accessories to obstruction?

I....don't like this as precedent.

― morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, July 26, 2018 12:13 PM (twenty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I was mostly referring to people with whom Trump has a proven personal relationship and who know that he's especially receptive to messages delivered via the teevee and who may even be directly benefitting from his obstructing justice, not just the bog standard talking head trash parroting the party line.

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Thursday, 26 July 2018 17:41 (seven years ago)

as marvellous as that iowa comment is in isolation, that whole thread is a goldmine

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 26 July 2018 17:42 (seven years ago)

I'm pretty sure the 'Welcome to Iowa signs on I-80 used to have the tagline "- a state of minds" so there's that.

BrianB, Thursday, 26 July 2018 19:06 (seven years ago)

As squirrelly as these Trump people are, I've been wondering if some have been shorting stocks and making market moves based off some of his tweets etc.

Obviously they would be doing it on accounts not directly linked, but it seems like the type of easy money scheme some would do.

earlnash, Thursday, 26 July 2018 19:07 (seven years ago)

Fun!

WSJ confirms our reporting: George O'Neill Jr. is confirmed as the "U.S. Person 2" who helped Maria Butina. https://t.co/OfqKIrq8Kh

— Casey Michel 🇰🇿 (@cjcmichel) July 26, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 July 2018 19:25 (seven years ago)

I am filled with mirth.

Jean-Claude Juncker used "a dozen colorful cue cards with simplified explainers" to negotiate with Trump, WSJ rpts.

Each card had at most 3 figures about a topic, like trade in cars.

“If you want to be stupid," he told Trump, "I can be stupid, as well."https://t.co/WPW9UWF74L

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) July 26, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 July 2018 20:18 (seven years ago)

Jesus Christ

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 26 July 2018 20:35 (seven years ago)

this is the onion come to life

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 26 July 2018 20:39 (seven years ago)

jean-claude van dammmn

mookieproof, Thursday, 26 July 2018 20:41 (seven years ago)

The actual story makes all that a little less concentrated a slam but it's clearly there.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 July 2018 20:43 (seven years ago)

Do continue to roast

NEW: California Rep. Dana Rohrabacher met with alleged Russian agent Maria Butina in 2015, her emails reveal, fueling more questions about his longstanding Kremlin connections, ABC News' @ajdukakis reports https://t.co/6lSE8aouVk pic.twitter.com/rAJ4sx6JAz

— ABC News Politics (@ABCPolitics) July 26, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 July 2018 20:45 (seven years ago)

Juncker is like the No. 1 hate figure to right wing Brexit wankers in the UK, so this is all highly amusing.

Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Thursday, 26 July 2018 20:48 (seven years ago)

Rohrabacher getting the boot this fall will be sweet, fingers crossed

Οὖτις, Thursday, 26 July 2018 20:48 (seven years ago)

it's crazy that he was on trump's shortlist for secretary of state.

Karl Malone, Thursday, 26 July 2018 20:49 (seven years ago)

Hello

Former Trump org employee to me:
"Alan knows where all financial bodies are buried within the Trump organization. He knows Trump's net worth. He knows any and every expenditure out of Trump Org was approved by Alan."https://t.co/bC6ZKBZxAa via @WSJ

— Katy Tur (@KatyTurNBC) July 26, 2018

Including Cohen reimbursements. This is among the biggest subpoenas to drop. He’s been there for decades. https://t.co/NFDtroJdCx

— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) July 26, 2018

Just got off phone with a former Trump Org employee who echoed @KatyTurNBC reporting on Weisselberg subpoena: “Alan knows everything and anything about all the financials...He knows every dollar that goes in and every dollar that leaves. He knows where all the bodies are buried.”

— Philip Rucker (@PhilipRucker) July 26, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 July 2018 20:49 (seven years ago)

Strongly suggest a reread of this June piece for why Weisselberg being drawn into this more and more is no joke for Trump.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/the-inconvenient-legal-troubles-that-lie-ahead-for-the-trump-foundation

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 July 2018 21:03 (seven years ago)

(And worth noting and remembering -- Mueller by default has nothing to do with the Trump Foundation case, and Cohen's being looked at by the SDNY office, not him. So as much as Trump might fulminate...)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 July 2018 21:04 (seven years ago)

Separately, someone read him the riot act somewhere along the line:

For the first time, Trump in Illinois has connected his trade actions this week to his desire that Republicans retain control of Congress in November. He said the actions were needed to help the GOP retain control.

— Damian Paletta (@damianpaletta) July 26, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 July 2018 21:05 (seven years ago)

did he just say BIG FAT SLOPPY UNITED STATES

frogbs, Thursday, 26 July 2018 21:12 (seven years ago)

Oh frabjous day!

Scott Walker trails by 13% in re-election bid as Wisconsin Governor in new NBC poll (!), and just 34% say he deserves re-election. https://t.co/DwwYsSYHtP pic.twitter.com/QcP82sGf7m

— Taniel (@Taniel) July 26, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 July 2018 21:17 (seven years ago)

did he just say BIG FAT SLOPPY UNITED STATES

Based on the other tweets I'm seeing, yes.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 July 2018 21:19 (seven years ago)

yesssssss oh man getting walker out of there would really brighten my year. obviously the legislature needs to flip too.

This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 26 July 2018 21:23 (seven years ago)

Trump is really having a hard time down the stretch here pic.twitter.com/2PdPrfL0dP

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) July 26, 2018

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 26 July 2018 21:24 (seven years ago)

all of Trump's numbers in the Midwest are god awful

if he manages to get Walker ousted, well I guess that's one positive of this presidency

frogbs, Thursday, 26 July 2018 21:26 (seven years ago)

did he just say BIG FAT SLOPPY UNITED STATES

An extreme case of self-identification there.

Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Thursday, 26 July 2018 21:28 (seven years ago)

all projection with these assholes huh

frogbs, Thursday, 26 July 2018 21:29 (seven years ago)

Um. We got a big story dropping real soon

— Sam Stein (@samstein) July 26, 2018

Possibly the biggest news of the 2018 election coming in minutes

— Justin Miller (@justinjm1) July 26, 2018

We have a hell of a story about to drop...

— Spencer Ackerman (@attackerman) July 26, 2018

yes....YES!!!

frogbs, Thursday, 26 July 2018 21:32 (seven years ago)

F5 F5 F5

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 26 July 2018 21:33 (seven years ago)

lol just kidding this is gonna be something dumb

frogbs, Thursday, 26 July 2018 21:33 (seven years ago)

Wait till you find out what else they peed on

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 26 July 2018 21:34 (seven years ago)

EXCLUSIVE: Russian GRU hackers targeted Claire McCaskill’s Senate office, a Daily Beast forensic analysis reveals, making the Missouri Democrat the first identified target of the Kremlin’s 2018 election interference. With @kpoulsen >> https://t.co/ov5SjfEZwN

— Andrew Desiderio (@desiderioDC) July 26, 2018

oh look its nothing

frogbs, Thursday, 26 July 2018 21:34 (seven years ago)

Not at all!

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 July 2018 21:35 (seven years ago)

Way to oversell something we all kind of just assume is happening.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 26 July 2018 21:35 (seven years ago)

did anyone doubt that Russia would be coming out in full force for the GOP over the next few months and will be actively cheered on by this administration while doing so

frogbs, Thursday, 26 July 2018 21:37 (seven years ago)

donnie asked them not to iirc

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 26 July 2018 21:39 (seven years ago)

For all the cynicism, having details -- and there are some heavy details -- about what's going on is key.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 July 2018 21:40 (seven years ago)

The Daily Beast identified McCaskill as a target while investigating statements made by Microsoft VP Tom Burt last week in an appearance at the Aspen Security Forum. Burton discussed the Virginia injunction, and told the audience that it allowed Microsoft to thwart a phishing campaign against three midterm election candidates, who he declined to name.

“We did discover that a fake Microsoft domain had been established as the landing page for phishing attacks, and we saw metadata that suggested those phishing attacks were being directed at three candidates who are all standing for elections in the midterm elections,” said Burt, Microsoft’s corporate vice president for customer security and trust. “We took down that domain and working with the government actually were able to avoid anybody being infected by that particular attack.”

so, two other candidates as well

Karl Malone, Thursday, 26 July 2018 21:44 (seven years ago)

How long until Trump tweets about how wonderful it would be if his Russian friends would share McCaskill's scandalous files?

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 26 July 2018 21:44 (seven years ago)

Rohrabacher getting the boot this fall will be sweet, fingers crossed

― Οὖτις, Thursday, July 26, 2018 1:48 PM (fifty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it's crazy that he was on trump's shortlist for secretary of state.

― Karl Malone, Thursday, July 26, 2018 1:49 PM (fifty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

is it tho?

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 26 July 2018 21:45 (seven years ago)

Yeah, more like it's perfectly in character

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 26 July 2018 21:49 (seven years ago)

CNN hired an independent audio forensics expert to analyze the Trump-Cohen tape. He concluded that Trump told Cohen, "I'll pay with cash," to which Cohen immediately replied, "no, no, no," several times, appearing to reject the idea of paying with cash. https://t.co/1Xi2YUmhBs

— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) July 26, 2018

first of all - how is this still a debate? i listened to the tape exactly once and it was clear as fucking day that trump suggested paying with cash and cohen was saying "no no no" repeatedly in response. i don't understand how it could be heard or interpreted any differently.

but secondly, lol CNN

CNN commissioned an independent analysis of the tape by audio forensics expert Ed Primeau. He has worked in the industry for over 30 years and has provided testimony as an expert witness in hundreds of cases. Primeau says he has performed thousands of audio enhancements throughout his career.

CNN did not provide Primeau a transcript and asked him to create one based on what he heard in his analysis.

In the tape, Cohen said "we'll have to pay" to purchase the rights to McDougal's story. The audio forensics expert concluded that Trump then responded with, "I'll pay with cash," to which Cohen immediately replied, "no, no, no," several times, appearing to reject the idea of paying with cash.

Primeau said his analysis was completed with tools that enhance volume, isolate dialogue and examine soundwaves on a screen. He said he asked another expert at his firm to weigh in and they reached the same conclusion.

"I was in the room all day today. I enhanced the recording," Primeau said on CNN's "Cuomo Prime Time" Wednesday. "I listened to the words and I typed them as I heard them. I didn't know anything about this story prior to starting. So remaining unbiased was a key into the work that I did. And I stand behind what I've transcribed and presented tonight for your show."

i mean, imagine this audio forensics expert performing this work, it is beyond ridiculous

Karl Malone, Thursday, 26 July 2018 21:55 (seven years ago)

ed primeau lives in constant fear that someday someone will discover that his entire process is total bullshit and he's just been winging it for 30 years, under oath, using the same basic steps that anyone else would immediately use

Karl Malone, Thursday, 26 July 2018 21:56 (seven years ago)

We really need to collectively refrain from bending over backwards to explicate facts in minute detail for the sake of people who couldn't give a quarter of a shit about whatever 'proof' a buncha libruhl 'experts' are trying to sell them.

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Thursday, 26 July 2018 22:01 (seven years ago)

*hypothetical centrist undecided voter in michigan*

"well, that's the straw that broke the camel's back - i wasn't sure about any of this, but if CNN has hired an EXPERT audio forensics expert to listen to this and he says that trump was suggesting paying off that one person with cash, then that just makes me wonder what ELSE is he lying about! i'm beginning to rethink my support of donald trump for the last 3 years, and will consider voting for a democrat this fall. thanks CNN!"

Karl Malone, Thursday, 26 July 2018 22:06 (seven years ago)

Walker going down in flames would be so sweet

many xps

Οὖτις, Thursday, 26 July 2018 22:06 (seven years ago)

i have a special distaste for scott walker, he's a real piece of shit. my parents live in a pretty solidly R area of WI that managed to flip a seat in a special election so i'm optimistic

global tetrahedron, Thursday, 26 July 2018 22:17 (seven years ago)

Easy on the scepticism guys - "CNN did not provide Primeau a transcript and asked him to create one based on what he heard in his analysis."

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 26 July 2018 22:28 (seven years ago)

https://www.politico.com/interactives/2018/fundraising-house-republicans-midterms-2018/

Οὖτις, Thursday, 26 July 2018 22:32 (seven years ago)

Any hope of getting rid of Mitch McConnell any time soon?

Stevolende, Thursday, 26 July 2018 22:52 (seven years ago)

no. i mean, apart from the fact that he's 76 years old

mookieproof, Thursday, 26 July 2018 22:56 (seven years ago)

the life expectancy for shitty senators seems to be about 90 unfortunately

devops mom (silby), Thursday, 26 July 2018 23:01 (seven years ago)

Who kneeeeeeeewwwwwwwww

Documents reviewed by The AP show that Natalia Veselnitskaya, the lawyer who met with Don Jr., Kushner and Manafort in June 2016, worked more closely with Russian government officials than she previously let on. https://t.co/0FKTtTR2oF

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) July 26, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 July 2018 23:06 (seven years ago)

Plus some separate buh

New: Manafort lawyers want a bunch of evidence to NOT be shown at trial.

They put all of it — emails, memos, polling, etc., that includes Rick Gates, Tad Devine, others — online in their court filing.https://t.co/XiN8N0vgrx

— Katherine Miller (@katherinemiller) July 26, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 26 July 2018 23:07 (seven years ago)

rohrabacher is one of the poorest reps from CA iirc, and rouda has already outraised him by over a million dollars, that seems like good news

sciatica, Thursday, 26 July 2018 23:10 (seven years ago)

The only infosec account I trust

dear "The Daily Beast" for overhyping your largely inconsequential story you are now referred to on this feed as "The Dookie Beast" good by

— jon hendren (@fart) July 26, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 26 July 2018 23:12 (seven years ago)

and we're back to our original thread topic

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Thursday, 26 July 2018 23:45 (seven years ago)

alexa whats the name of that town with lead in the water https://t.co/HvYfOpMuy4

— huh (@bigboymovieguy) July 27, 2018

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 27 July 2018 00:11 (seven years ago)

Well well, again.

BREAKING: Michael Cohen claims then-candidate Donald Trump knew in advance of 2016 Trump Tower meeting in which Russians were expected to offer his campaign dirt on Hillary Clinton, sources say https://t.co/EeJhChKCe1 pic.twitter.com/NdpbZTYiU2

— CNN (@CNN) July 27, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 July 2018 01:14 (seven years ago)

It always seemed crazy to think no one would tell Trump about that meeting ahead of time; it's just that no one had spilled the beans until now, so it was deniable. Let's hope Cohen's tapes hold some corroboration, but even then, his testimony, being the first break in the silence, would be big.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 27 July 2018 01:19 (seven years ago)

It would next to insane if Cohen had taped the meeting, the FBI got the tape and Trump's lawyers hadn't fought tooth and nail to keep privilege on that.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 July 2018 01:21 (seven years ago)

The article indicates:

To be clear, these sources said Cohen does not have evidence, such as audio recordings, to corroborate his claim, but he is willing to attest to his account.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 July 2018 01:22 (seven years ago)

Here we go

Οὖτις, Friday, 27 July 2018 01:38 (seven years ago)

Trump team leaked this? Bizarre. Makes me think this won’t amount to much.

brotherlovesdub, Friday, 27 July 2018 01:46 (seven years ago)

Not necessarily. They leaked the one tape that already emerged, and that wasn't exactly a slam dunk for them.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 July 2018 01:48 (seven years ago)

the Rohrabacher-Putina story is pretty interesting given that released audio of Paul Ryan from a year ago

frogbs, Friday, 27 July 2018 02:33 (seven years ago)

Boy tonight’s been...something. Davis denies they leaked and Rudy’s almost Sam Nurnberging.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 July 2018 02:47 (seven years ago)

he's always been terrible but giuliani has been especially ghoulish these last few weeks

Karl Malone, Friday, 27 July 2018 02:51 (seven years ago)

Sam Nürburgring, the fastest racer to fully circumnavigate the Media Circuit

El Tomboto, Friday, 27 July 2018 03:09 (seven years ago)

never mind his epic, near-fatal crashes along the way

El Tomboto, Friday, 27 July 2018 03:30 (seven years ago)

I believe it.

Anyway!

Tad Devine cooperating w Mueller https://t.co/WvG5MJErFt @rubycramer

— Ben Smith (@BuzzFeedBen) July 26, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 July 2018 03:36 (seven years ago)

AAAAAAAHHH

NEW: @MichaelAvenatti will represent 3 additional women who have come forward claiming they were paid by AMI for their stories about affairs with Trump. One of the women says she was impregnated.

— Scott Stedman (@ScottMStedman) July 27, 2018

Avenatti says these payments were made before the election.

— Scott Stedman (@ScottMStedman) July 27, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 July 2018 03:39 (seven years ago)

lol Trump is Killin it today

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 27 July 2018 03:40 (seven years ago)

yeah this is the Trumpiest day we've had in a long time

frogbs, Friday, 27 July 2018 03:41 (seven years ago)

i missed his tweets from earlier:

.@AlanDersh, a brilliant lawyer, who although a Liberal Democrat who probably didn’t vote for me, has discussed the Witch Hunt with great clarity and in a very positive way. He has written a new and very important book...

..called “The Case Against Impeaching Trump,” which I would encourage all people with Trump Derangement Syndrome to read!

hey everyone, there's a book that makes the case that i shouldn't be impeached! amazing! you should read it, very important!

Karl Malone, Friday, 27 July 2018 03:45 (seven years ago)

How has our ss not settled this

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 27 July 2018 03:46 (seven years ago)

I just saw a Twitter comment that the Coen Bros. version of this movie should be called Burn After Tweeting.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 July 2018 03:47 (seven years ago)

nice

frogbs, Friday, 27 July 2018 03:57 (seven years ago)

Trump could hold on to power with this line: "Sure, I go Russian help to defeat Crooked Hillary. I did what was necessary to win and it worked." 90% of GOP will be okay with that & it'll give him a firewall in the Senate.

— Jeet Heer (@HeerJeet) July 27, 2018

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 27 July 2018 03:58 (seven years ago)

Jeet is rather too defeatist.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 July 2018 04:15 (seven years ago)

We'll see about that.

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 27 July 2018 04:24 (seven years ago)

Also, it's only defeatism if you see removing Trump as the most meaningful (or, for argument's sake, *only* meaningful) objective there is.

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 27 July 2018 04:32 (seven years ago)

nowwwww what happened?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 July 2018 04:39 (seven years ago)

re heer tweet that's def the coaching donnie is getting from audience he will say it somewhere imo. i dunno if he's received any notes from his staff saying "DO NOT SAY 'I GOT RUSSIAN HELP TO BEAT CROOKED HILLARY!'," but if he did get such note, he's _definitely_ gonna say it.

shit whose job is it to feed him that note dressed in a kelly mask

Hunt3r, Friday, 27 July 2018 04:41 (seven years ago)

he'll try it for sure. at some point in the campaign debates, he used that strategy when called out about something about using a tax loophole - he said something like "of course i did. because i'm smart!" and then just moved on and everyone forgot about it soon afterward

Karl Malone, Friday, 27 July 2018 04:52 (seven years ago)

it's straight out of the climate change denier playbook

1 it didn't happen
2 if it did happen i wasn't part of it
3 those who are saying i was part of it are part of a conspiracy/hoax
....

38 ok it did happen, but it's good

Karl Malone, Friday, 27 July 2018 04:53 (seven years ago)

Giuliani calling Cohen a pathological liar that has lied all his life is the type of unforced error that makes me smile

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 27 July 2018 05:01 (seven years ago)

The lying liars that tape everything are really the worst

El Tomboto, Friday, 27 July 2018 05:09 (seven years ago)

Giuliani: "Who you going to believe, me or your lying ears?"

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 27 July 2018 05:26 (seven years ago)

I don't really get what these people are suing for - they got a shitload of money for agreeing to not say they screwed Orange Demon - now they want to be abel to say they did? Why? In hopes that it will lead to impeachment?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/michael-avenatti-says-hell-represent-three-more-women-allegedly-paid-off-by-trump

Rabbit Control (Latham Green), Friday, 27 July 2018 12:08 (seven years ago)

Possibly so they can sell their stories again, for more money, now the oompaloompa is president and there are plenty of people willing to egg them on.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Friday, 27 July 2018 12:10 (seven years ago)

"I fucked an orange blob of shit"

Rabbit Control (Latham Green), Friday, 27 July 2018 12:14 (seven years ago)

daniels, at least, has alleged that she signed her NDA under pressure/threats, and that her representation at the time was actually in cahoots with trump's, meaning she got a crappy deal. it may also be the case that she or other plaintiffs now feel that getting the facts about these transactions out in the open is their ethical obligation, perhaps under a "anything that poses any obstacle to this monster could save lives/prevent suffering" logic. or they're just pissed at him being a lying sexist hypocrite (e.g. going after HRC for WJC's offenses during the campaign) and regret not joining his other accusers earlier. or they have a good feeling that the funds for these payoffs came from a place they shouldn't have (e.g. campaign donations, trump "foundation") and hope it could be useful for impeachment. who knows? dunno if it matters tbh. i'm fine with every one of them going after donald trump regardless of how much they got paid to be quiet or what the circumstances were.

This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Friday, 27 July 2018 12:19 (seven years ago)

If you want to be sympathetic some of these individuals thought they were selling their stories to papers so their opinions mattered only to find that the papers involved quashed the stories. So it's more a case of these people being publicity crazy at one point in the past only to have their dreams thwarted until they get more opportunity which they need to avail of.
So in their idealistic view of a free press space should have been devoted to their story and was only censored by the venal use of money.
Or something to that effect.

In an ideal world any goodlooking woman would be able to be exploited by an unfeeling powerful figure and then she would be able to recompense by selling their story to the press. purely in the interest of shared truth, like.

It's an American Dream.

Stevolende, Friday, 27 July 2018 12:21 (seven years ago)

sorry, should have put an xp on that.

Stevolende, Friday, 27 July 2018 12:22 (seven years ago)

finally we have discovered the true threat to our democracy, women seeking publicity

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 27 July 2018 12:35 (seven years ago)

was struggling to write a far less precise and elegant version of that post, thank you.

This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Friday, 27 July 2018 12:37 (seven years ago)

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/betsy-devos-department-education-curb-college-loan-forgiveness/story?id=56838833

horrible cunt! is this where the farmers got their welfare from ?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 27 July 2018 12:42 (seven years ago)

and now we're on to calling women "cunts" i see

This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Friday, 27 July 2018 12:47 (seven years ago)

ffs if she was a man she'd be a cunt too , she's a fucking monster

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 27 July 2018 12:48 (seven years ago)

"fucking monster" a good term, i vote we stick with that one

This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Friday, 27 July 2018 12:50 (seven years ago)

shall we poll them

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 July 2018 12:53 (seven years ago)

carne I demand you apologize on Twiter and on your cable tv show for your disrespect to our fucking education monster

President Keyes, Friday, 27 July 2018 12:54 (seven years ago)

i'm not apologizing for calling the women that is actively trying to dismantling our education system a fucking cunt

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 27 July 2018 12:54 (seven years ago)

"sexist slurs make ILX a better place, Y/N"

This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Friday, 27 July 2018 12:55 (seven years ago)

tone policing: C/D?

evol j, Friday, 27 July 2018 13:02 (seven years ago)

TS: not wanting ilx to turn into a lads' mag subreddit VS. "tone policing"

This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Friday, 27 July 2018 13:05 (seven years ago)

Ffs. Cunt is a sexist term, regardless of her awfulness we can choose better words.

We good? Cool.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 27 July 2018 13:07 (seven years ago)

good mourning!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 July 2018 13:14 (seven years ago)

It's just possible that I despise Betsy DeVos even more than her boss, and I would still implore you to refrain from using a gendered pejorative to describe her.

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Friday, 27 July 2018 13:18 (seven years ago)

Already seeing my paranoid lib friends saying PUMP THE BRAKES THIS IS A HEADFAKE COHEN IS SECRETLY TRYING TO HRLP TRUMP

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 27 July 2018 13:19 (seven years ago)

imagine if half the collective energy going into amateur Russsa detective work went into volunteering for congressional candidates

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 27 July 2018 13:21 (seven years ago)

imagine if half the collective energy going into posting false binaries on ILX went into taking a nap.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 July 2018 13:23 (seven years ago)

I could use a nap

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 27 July 2018 13:24 (seven years ago)

xxp lol Russia detective work is what you do when you're trying to avoid doing actual work

President Keyes, Friday, 27 July 2018 13:28 (seven years ago)

BREAKING: Russian President Vladimir Putin has invited President Trump to a meeting in Moscow after turning down an invitation to come to Washington DC.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 27 July 2018 13:29 (seven years ago)

I think the word they're looking for there is 'ordered'.

Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Friday, 27 July 2018 13:31 (seven years ago)

Actually, on second thoughts, instructed is better.

Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Friday, 27 July 2018 13:32 (seven years ago)

move the ship out of the asteroid field, so we can send a clear transmission 

This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Friday, 27 July 2018 13:35 (seven years ago)

Trump is dumb enough to accept too.

Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Friday, 27 July 2018 13:38 (seven years ago)

of course! he'll brag about being the only president ever to be invited to russia

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 27 July 2018 13:39 (seven years ago)

putin's got a special hotel room picked out for him and everything and there's some women putin would love him to meet! it's gonna be so great folks!

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 27 July 2018 13:44 (seven years ago)

So weird to invite Trump when he's working so hard to elect Democrats!

President Keyes, Friday, 27 July 2018 13:45 (seven years ago)

He'll offer Trump the same water that got him to pee last time.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 July 2018 13:47 (seven years ago)

The Presidential Suite, rubber sheets standard.

Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Friday, 27 July 2018 13:48 (seven years ago)

So weird to invite Trump when he's working so hard to elect Democrats!

yeah, he was tweeting yet again today about how russia only colluded with democrats in 2016, so one must assume that he's... buddying up to putin so the russians can try and fail again to get democrats elected? 4d chess baby

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 27 July 2018 13:59 (seven years ago)

Trump with a vivid lie about U.S. Steel workers yesterday: "Half of them had tears coming down their face." He adds that these people might never have cried before, but they cried yesterday.

— Daniel Dale (@ddale8) July 27, 2018

mookieproof, Friday, 27 July 2018 14:03 (seven years ago)

i stopped on fox news for a minute yesterday and some dipshit actually said " they are all playing checkers , while trump is playing 3d chess " they really believe that shit

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 27 July 2018 14:04 (seven years ago)

half of them had molten metal running down their face, folks! one of them was lowered into the smelter on a chain and he gave a thumbs-up as he went under! unbelievable!

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 27 July 2018 14:06 (seven years ago)

well there is this http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/399159-steelworkers-hospitalized-for-carbon-monoxide-exposure-hours-after-trump

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 27 July 2018 14:08 (seven years ago)

lmao bizarro

princess of hell (BradNelson), Friday, 27 July 2018 14:09 (seven years ago)

He told me to tell you
That he hardly ever cries,
But he cried for you last night, ooooo
He didn't mean it, No!
Said he didn't mean it, No!

This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Friday, 27 July 2018 14:11 (seven years ago)

imagine if half the collective energy going into amateur Russsa detective work went into volunteering for congressional candidates

― Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, July 27, 2018 8:21 AM (fifty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah it's like trump is going to be president until January 20th, 2021 -- at least

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 27 July 2018 14:18 (seven years ago)

The ratio...is ratioing.

2 time National, Division I wrestling champion. 4 time (that's every year folks...) Ohio State High School champion wrestler...

Who better to wrestle the Dems to the ground?#JimJordan4Speaker ! pic.twitter.com/jB7UQhSOMt

— Ken Cuccinelli (@KenCuccinelli) July 27, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 July 2018 14:38 (seven years ago)

jesus god how fuckin dumb are these people

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 27 July 2018 14:41 (seven years ago)

Speaking of dumb,

Arrived back in Washington last night from a very emotional reopening of a major U.S. Steel plant in Granite City, Illinois, only to be greeted with the ridiculous news that the highly conflicted Robert Mueller and his gang of 13 Angry Democrats obviously cannot find Collusion...

....,the only Collusion with Russia was with the Democrats, so now they are looking at my Tweets (along with 53 million other people) - the rigged Witch Hunt continues! How stupid and unfair to our Country....And so the Fake News doesn’t waste my time with dumb questions, NO,....

.....I did NOT know of the meeting with my son, Don jr. Sounds to me like someone is trying to make up stories in order to get himself out of an unrelated jam (Taxi cabs maybe?). He even retained Bill and Crooked Hillary’s lawyer. Gee, I wonder if they helped him make the choice!

Karl Malone, Friday, 27 July 2018 14:50 (seven years ago)

luv2use my own son as a human shield against collusion allegations

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 27 July 2018 14:52 (seven years ago)

my son, don jr

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 27 July 2018 14:52 (seven years ago)

Lately, whenever I think about that 30-40% range that is apparently the “hard floor” of Trump/GOP support, I think about the fact that there are two quintiles of people who took the ASVAB and didn’t rate high enough to be “transportation specialists” in the army.

Here is a US Army transportation specialist at work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_osCPYPywnU&app=desktop&persist_app=1

El Tomboto, Friday, 27 July 2018 14:53 (seven years ago)

is "Taxi cabs" a nickname i missed?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 July 2018 14:54 (seven years ago)

it's a new one i think, presumably referring to michael cohen's involvement with some shady taxi medallion guy who ended up dodging a shit ton of taxes iirc

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 27 July 2018 14:56 (seven years ago)

i assumed it was an autocorrect from "tax cuts," not that that would make sense either

This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Friday, 27 July 2018 15:00 (seven years ago)

Trying to find the first instance from probably like over a year ago of my assertion that Trump wouldn't hesitate to throw even one of his own (non-Ivanka) kids to the wolves for the sake of self-preservation. And not even as a last resort. Like he might briefly consider one or two alternatives before eagerly offering them up.

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Friday, 27 July 2018 15:24 (seven years ago)

http://www.conelrad.com/conelrad100/images/deadzone_101804.jpg

This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Friday, 27 July 2018 15:25 (seven years ago)

imagine how upset he is every day about the kid he chose to name "Don Jr."

frogbs, Friday, 27 July 2018 15:28 (seven years ago)

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/27/politics/epa-scott-pruitt-glider-trucks/index.html#

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 27 July 2018 15:29 (seven years ago)

Unlike President Stillson, I expect that Trump's numbers would go through the roof after using a toddler to stave off a sniper's bullets. It demonstrates quick decision-making ability in a crisis, and also it's just fake news.

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Friday, 27 July 2018 15:36 (seven years ago)

pobrecito

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/27/pete-sessions-texas-house-trump-democrats-wave-743756

Οὖτις, Friday, 27 July 2018 15:53 (seven years ago)

not sure this qualifies as "politics" per se but donald trump jr.'s girlfriend got fired from fox for, apparently, showing her coworkers his dick pics

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kimberly-guilfoyle-misconduct-allegations-fox-news_us_5b5a6064e4b0b15aba96f4de

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 27 July 2018 17:45 (seven years ago)

It does lean right iirc

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 27 July 2018 17:46 (seven years ago)

there it is

I don't have a problem w/ getting dirt on election opponents from foreigners. But if you do, why was it OK for Hillary Clinton to secretly hire a foreign spy to get dirt on her opponent from Kremlin officials, and seed that info into the media and weaponize it in the US gov't?

— Mollie (@MZHemingway) July 27, 2018

mookieproof, Friday, 27 July 2018 17:46 (seven years ago)

please say that's an xp

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 27 July 2018 17:46 (seven years ago)

When The World is Running Down You Make the Best of What' still around -

Rabbit Control (Latham Green), Friday, 27 July 2018 17:49 (seven years ago)

-Dave Matthews Band

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 27 July 2018 17:54 (seven years ago)

not sure this qualifies as "politics" per se but donald trump jr.'s girlfriend got fired from fox for, apparently, showing her coworkers his dick pics

showing people pics of Don Jr. should definitely be a fireable offense

frogbs, Friday, 27 July 2018 17:57 (seven years ago)

They've already got THE investigator on the Don Jr. case

Spotted: Robert Mueller and Donald Trump Jr. both waiting for their flights this morning at the 35X gate at DCA. And yes, there is a photo. https://t.co/gKUSO7QhOU pic.twitter.com/tvcoyLMnDW

— POLITICO (@politico) July 27, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 July 2018 18:06 (seven years ago)

lol at the Secret Service guy behind DJ

President Keyes, Friday, 27 July 2018 18:20 (seven years ago)

this is the body language of seeing an ex you mutually ghosted and immediately grabbing your phone and pretending to have an urgent call

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, 27 July 2018 18:21 (seven years ago)

Robert Mueller as unlikely Last Jedi to save the world

Rabbit Control (Latham Green), Friday, 27 July 2018 18:21 (seven years ago)

Throws indictments over shoulder instead of lightsaber

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 July 2018 18:49 (seven years ago)

Taxi medallions is Cohen's main business, not lawyering. Trump is disparaging him for having a job, and belittling his own lawyer for not really being a lawyer.

16, 35, DCP, Go! (sic), Friday, 27 July 2018 19:02 (seven years ago)

initial tweet was "it was about a his shine box"

Hunt3r, Friday, 27 July 2018 19:03 (seven years ago)

this is the body language of seeing an ex you mutually ghosted and immediately grabbing your phone and pretending to have an urgent call

― aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Friday, July 27, 2018 2:21 PM (fifty-six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

am I the only one who does this move with almost everyone I know when I unexpectedly encounter them out and about?

evol j, Friday, 27 July 2018 19:19 (seven years ago)

I absolutely also do this

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Friday, 27 July 2018 19:24 (seven years ago)

see, not carrying a phone makes one more humane :D

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 27 July 2018 19:29 (seven years ago)

I do it too but I call the person I see and leave a voicemail

Evan, Friday, 27 July 2018 20:00 (seven years ago)

strange to see Morbz as the lone non-jerk here

Οὖτις, Friday, 27 July 2018 20:08 (seven years ago)

Just cropdust and walk away

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 27 July 2018 20:11 (seven years ago)

More Gabriel Sherman funnies

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/07/john-kelly-is-playing-four-corners-with-trump

Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 July 2018 20:53 (seven years ago)

This one's a treat too

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/07/michael-cohen-is-mad-as-helland-hes-not-going-to-take-it-anymore

Ned Raggett, Friday, 27 July 2018 20:53 (seven years ago)

http://api.theweek.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/screen_shot_2018-07-27_at_2.39.04_pm.png

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 27 July 2018 20:57 (seven years ago)

well, if HE said that, then...

Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Friday, 27 July 2018 21:32 (seven years ago)

love those United Sates, I feel so sated

sleeve, Friday, 27 July 2018 21:36 (seven years ago)

I'm very happy for the wealthy people that they will become even wealthier. Those overloaded wallets make them so much easier to catch.

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Friday, 27 July 2018 21:45 (seven years ago)

preznident trmup pls show ur working

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 27 July 2018 21:48 (seven years ago)

that cohen article *eye roll*. "Now the bond between Trump and Cohen appears to be irrevocably torn asunder." my experience says people who are profoundly, fundamentally, absolutely transactional without any real emotional connection just do not have anything "irrevocably torn asunder." if he gets a pardon and plenty of praise, he will not care and ready to work again for trump. if he doesn't get one, he won't and may try for revenge, but just as with trump, any relationship is in permanent flux based upon current and future value.

Hunt3r, Friday, 27 July 2018 22:54 (seven years ago)

not saying trump doesn't have grudges, he does (obama), but if saw a way to monetize obama friendship i think he'd be such a PAL and GOOD GUY.

Hunt3r, Friday, 27 July 2018 22:58 (seven years ago)

US Politics August 2018: "Put Some Goddamn Pants On Before You Go Outside!" is a thing Kimberly says to Don Jr. now

a shomin-geki poster with some horror elements (WilliamC), Friday, 27 July 2018 23:14 (seven years ago)

"MUELLER HAS YR DICK PIX"

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 27 July 2018 23:37 (seven years ago)

Most aesthetically perfect hanging curve ever:

Trump guy, talking about collusion: "This is the new Birtherism."
Anderson Cooper, taking a extra split-second to get his mind around that: "...but the old Birtherism came from the guy you say is not a serial liar."

clemenza, Saturday, 28 July 2018 01:28 (seven years ago)

if it's what you say, i love it

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 28 July 2018 01:32 (seven years ago)

Everyone take the night off, go have a drink, sleep

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 28 July 2018 01:34 (seven years ago)

I took months away from it, believe me. I've been a little more engaged the last couple of weeks.

clemenza, Saturday, 28 July 2018 01:37 (seven years ago)

Most aesthetically perfect hanging curve ever:

Trump guy, talking about collusion: "This is the new Birtherism."
Anderson Cooper, taking a extra split-second to get his mind around that: "...but the old Birtherism came from the guy you say is not a serial liar."


lmaooooooooo

maura, Saturday, 28 July 2018 03:09 (seven years ago)

is it me, or do some on the left seem to be guilty of self-fulfilling prophecy?

any time you mention the temperature of the room, I keep hearing voices "OH THIS SOUNDS LIKE 2016 AGAIN, REMEMBER HOW CONFIDENT WE WERE? WE'RE GOING TO LOSE AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T LEARNED ANYTHING", and it's like....uh...it is possible to state the temperature of things while continuing to mobilize, get voters registered, encourage turnout, protest, etc.

Likewise, no FBI official is going to be able to drop an ill-timed info dump for every Congressional candidate the Friday before like last time.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 28 July 2018 17:34 (seven years ago)

Losing legitimizes leftists’ snotty attitudes about their fellow voters. This is also why they hate being reminded that the Democrat got almost 3 million more votes than Trump.

El Tomboto, Saturday, 28 July 2018 18:38 (seven years ago)

But if fear of 2016 actually drives more folks to give a few bucks or canvas and GOTV then I’m all for it. Don’t stop until the other guy is in the hospital.

El Tomboto, Saturday, 28 July 2018 18:39 (seven years ago)

(especially if the other guy is Ted Cruz or Rohrabacher)

El Tomboto, Saturday, 28 July 2018 18:42 (seven years ago)

(Or Brian Kemp. I’m definitely giving to Stacey Abrams)

El Tomboto, Saturday, 28 July 2018 19:09 (seven years ago)

Maggie Haberman is an access whore who sucks up to horrible people. She should take SHS’ post.

Maggie Haberman:

Where are people getting the impression she is an access journalist and Trump shill?

Baffling?

Let's take a closer look.

— Jake (@Care2much18) July 22, 2018

El Tomboto, Sunday, 29 July 2018 01:47 (seven years ago)

Whore eh

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 29 July 2018 01:50 (seven years ago)

oh noes I used a sort-of gender-specific pejorative? anyway thread is brutal, ppl should read it, but I also don’t blame anyone who isn’t able to finish it.

El Tomboto, Sunday, 29 July 2018 02:08 (seven years ago)

oh yes! Happy Saturday night -- more Halberscam!

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/28/us/politics/jared-ivanka-trump.html

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 29 July 2018 02:18 (seven years ago)

Mr. Trump has retreated into the familiarity of his family — his daughter, above all

phrasing

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Sunday, 29 July 2018 02:29 (seven years ago)

I just realized that every time I was seeing the name Maggie Haberman I was mistakenly picturing Maggie Gyllenhaal

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Sunday, 29 July 2018 02:55 (seven years ago)

Don't sully Jake's family like that.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 29 July 2018 02:56 (seven years ago)

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Wow, highest Poll Numbers in the history of the Republican Party. That includes Honest Abe Lincoln and Ronald Reagan. There must be something wrong, please recheck that poll!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 29, 2018

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Karl Malone, Sunday, 29 July 2018 23:04 (seven years ago)

"let's take iq tests"

- dumbest person alive donald trump, over and over

Karl Malone, Sunday, 29 July 2018 23:04 (seven years ago)

There are Trumpies in the tweet comments insisting pres polls existed in the 1860s

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Sunday, 29 July 2018 23:36 (seven years ago)

El Tomboto: no attitude about his fellow voters

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 July 2018 02:15 (seven years ago)

Oh I hate slightly less than half of them, that hasn’t changed and probably never will. But at least I’m not passive-aggressively full of shit about it

El Tomboto, Monday, 30 July 2018 02:20 (seven years ago)

Rudy Giuliani tries a new angle on Fox & Friends: “I have been sitting here looking in the federal code trying to find collusion as a crime. Collusion is not a crime.” pic.twitter.com/TTSuvc49b4

— Taegan Goddard (@politicalwire) July 30, 2018

didn't someone start the "Collusion's not illegal!" meme a year ago

frogbs, Monday, 30 July 2018 13:38 (seven years ago)

tremendous insight from a true giant of the legal profession there

presumably that's why none of the people under indictment from mueller have been charged with collusion then i guess

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 30 July 2018 13:43 (seven years ago)

Rudy "Freedom Is About Deferring to Authority" Giuliani, ladies & germs

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 July 2018 13:59 (seven years ago)

How Trump Lost Re-election in 2020

A cute little op-ed.

“Trump said he was going to fix things, and he didn’t,” said Kevin O’Reilly, 54, of Manchester, N.H., who voted for Barack Obama in 2012, Trump in 2016 and Warren this year. “I don’t think he really cares about the middle class. He cares about himself.”

Exit polls showed disillusionment across the swing states that Trump won four years ago and lost this year, including Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania. In a sign of the country’s changing political map, he held on to Ohio and Iowa, two relatively old and white states — but became the first Republican since 1992 to lose Georgia.

Huge margins among women were central to the victory of Warren, who will become the country’s first female president. “I’m just tired of him,” said Jennifer Diaz, a 47-year-old from Cobb County, Ga., outside Atlanta.

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 30 July 2018 15:35 (seven years ago)

uh

The difference between this and ⁦@BretStephensNYT⁩’s column is that Bret’s was rueful and this is Leonhardt speaking his own deepest desires. It’s porn. // How Trump Lost Re-election in 2020 via @NYTimes https://t.co/FyeM0rlqh4

— John Podhoretz (@jpodhoretz) July 30, 2018

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 July 2018 15:43 (seven years ago)

wow john podhoretz making an ad hominem claim based on his own biases, well i never

maura, Monday, 30 July 2018 15:43 (seven years ago)

"huge margins of women," presumably meaning the absence of the majority of republican white women who voted for trump

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Monday, 30 July 2018 16:39 (seven years ago)

yeah, but now they're tired of him

Karl Malone, Monday, 30 July 2018 16:44 (seven years ago)

soooooo tired

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 30 July 2018 16:45 (seven years ago)

giuliani continues to do a great job on accident

During his @CNN @NewDay interview today, Giuliani admitted that there was a planning meeting for the Trump Tower meeting that Gates attended. Gates is the same guy who flipped and has a deal with Mueller, as @joshtpm points out. pic.twitter.com/8VE30eWFGu

— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) July 30, 2018

Karl Malone, Monday, 30 July 2018 16:47 (seven years ago)

it seems like everything that's leaking out about this is stuff Mueller already knows

Οὖτις, Monday, 30 July 2018 16:48 (seven years ago)

rudy is such a disturbing creature

(•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 30 July 2018 16:50 (seven years ago)

I love that he showed up for that CNN interview wearing a diamond pinky ring, confirming my suspicions that the only reason he's Trump's lawyer is that Joe Tacopina turned him down.

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 30 July 2018 16:56 (seven years ago)

Wow, he's like a really good lawyer.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 30 July 2018 16:59 (seven years ago)

he’s the bob loblaw to cohen’s barry zuckercorn

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 30 July 2018 17:04 (seven years ago)

lobbying law bombs all over the place

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 30 July 2018 17:05 (seven years ago)

Wait, am I on the Paul Simon v. Leonard Cohen thread?

Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Monday, 30 July 2018 17:06 (seven years ago)

Rudy can't fail.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 30 July 2018 17:16 (seven years ago)

What in the world do they think they are accomplishing by sending him on all these shows so that he can stumble through a bunch of easy questions?

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 30 July 2018 17:25 (seven years ago)

he's doing what Trump would do, ie acting like a moron delivering self-inflicted wounds on the altar of public exposure

Οὖτις, Monday, 30 July 2018 17:26 (seven years ago)

god, now he's walking back what said earlier this morning, now claiming there was NOT an earlier meeting. even the people at state television must be getting sick of the "oh no actually i meant the OPPOSITE of that!" strategy

Karl Malone, Monday, 30 July 2018 17:27 (seven years ago)

I mean he's even fucking this up on Fox and they sound super skeptical. That's pretty bad.

Here's part 3 of Rudy's walk back where Foxer basically says Rudes WTF are you talking about. pic.twitter.com/EgMpm8eiJd

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) July 30, 2018

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 30 July 2018 17:28 (seven years ago)

in news-to-me laffs news, I am bummed I missed this...? https://deadline.com/2018/04/kathy-griffin-kellyanne-conway-donald-trump-make-america-great-a-thon-video-1202358118/ This show was so good, lame that it didn't get a full season renewal.

Οὖτις, Monday, 30 July 2018 17:32 (seven years ago)

where all the most important decisions take place

https://i.imgur.com/J4ahXof.jpg

Karl Malone, Monday, 30 July 2018 17:36 (seven years ago)

Best comment on that Josh Marshall tweet:

Interesting to think that Rudy's statements to various news media might be used against Trump as a party admission of Trump himself. United States v. Margiotta, 662 F.2d 131, 142 (2d Cir.1981), cert. denied, 461 U.S. 913, 103 S.Ct. 1891, 77 L.Ed.2d 282 (1983)

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 30 July 2018 17:41 (seven years ago)

I thought Trump didn't bother himself with such things, but there's a press conference starting in a few minutes.

clemenza, Monday, 30 July 2018 17:56 (seven years ago)

When was his last one?

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 30 July 2018 17:58 (seven years ago)

He does occasional joint press conferences when foreign leaders visit, but I'm not sure when he's had an actual just-him-and-the-press throwdown.

a shomin-geki poster with some horror elements (WilliamC), Monday, 30 July 2018 18:00 (seven years ago)

they end up happening spontaneously as parts of other events, though. like his infamous charlottesville response

Karl Malone, Monday, 30 July 2018 18:01 (seven years ago)

June, 2015...I don't know; he just stopped doing them at some point, I think. (He's with the Italian premier for this one.)

"The Robert Mueller Rigged Witch Hunt"--he's really losing his touch on that front. That's like a lot of words.

clemenza, Monday, 30 July 2018 18:02 (seven years ago)

"we're the laughingstock of the world. we have the worst immigration laws of anywhere in the world."

also just doubled-down on his shutdown threat over funding for his fucking stupid wall

Karl Malone, Monday, 30 July 2018 18:08 (seven years ago)

His opening remarks reminded me of Senator Geary in the second Godfather, talking about all the wonderful contributions of Italian-Americans. Funniest line was how excited Americans were by this guy's election.

clemenza, Monday, 30 July 2018 18:10 (seven years ago)

changing the conversation again. like that ALL CAPS Iran tweet a week ago.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 30 July 2018 18:11 (seven years ago)

yeah he just wants to talk about something else

Οὖτις, Monday, 30 July 2018 18:18 (seven years ago)

which is gonna be pretty hard between now and election day - Manafort trial's going for the next 3 - 4 weeks, Cohen and Avennatti (and Giuliani lol) are likely to be leaking stuff on a constant basis, congressional campaigns are gonna stir it all up etc

Οὖτις, Monday, 30 July 2018 18:19 (seven years ago)

Had some crazy idea this would be aggressively confrontational, but pretty clearly they carefully screen who's in that room and who gets to ask questions.

clemenza, Monday, 30 July 2018 18:36 (seven years ago)

he called on the daily caller for his first question

Karl Malone, Monday, 30 July 2018 18:39 (seven years ago)

"daily caller, give me a backrub. you can ask a question if you want, too"

Karl Malone, Monday, 30 July 2018 18:39 (seven years ago)

this seems reasonable https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/07/29/on-the-hype-surrounding-the-manafort-tax-evasion-trial/

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 30 July 2018 18:39 (seven years ago)

which is gonna be pretty hard between now and election day - Manafort trial's going for the next 3 - 4 weeks, Cohen and Avennatti (and Giuliani lol) are likely to be leaking stuff on a constant basis, congressional campaigns are gonna stir it all up etc

Charlottesville anniversary coming up too.

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 30 July 2018 18:47 (seven years ago)

ah yes, the day when there were very fine people on both sides

Karl Malone, Monday, 30 July 2018 18:49 (seven years ago)

I miss Helen Thomas.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Monday, 30 July 2018 18:59 (seven years ago)

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/07/jeff-sessions-announces-religious-liberty-task-force-at-doj-summit.html

Sessions told a crowd attending the Religious Liberty Summit at the Department of Justice headquarters that there was “a dangerous movement” eroding religious liberties and that “we have gotten to the point where courts have held that morality cannot be a basis for law; where ministers are fearful to affirm, as they understand it, holy writ from the pulpit; and where one group can actively target religious groups by labeling them a ‘hate group’ on the basis of their sincerely held religious beliefs.”

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 30 July 2018 19:26 (seven years ago)

my sincerely held religious belief is that Jeff Sessions is an evil elfling whose curse upon the land can only be lifted by his being turned into hamburger

Οὖτις, Monday, 30 July 2018 19:31 (seven years ago)

I'm just sick of them not sticking up for my insincerely held religious beliefs

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 30 July 2018 19:33 (seven years ago)

firstly it's "maths" and secondly it's not maths pic.twitter.com/9Ps77oscMg

— joe (@mutablejoe) July 30, 2018

koogs, Monday, 30 July 2018 19:44 (seven years ago)

^ does this work

https://pic.twitter.com/9Ps77oscMg

koogs, Monday, 30 July 2018 19:45 (seven years ago)

(no)

koogs, Monday, 30 July 2018 19:46 (seven years ago)

Jim loves pasties
Mary loves pasties

Mary loves Jim

Mark G, Monday, 30 July 2018 19:49 (seven years ago)

we fought a war over the right to call it "math" fyi

Οὖτις, Monday, 30 July 2018 19:50 (seven years ago)

fake wind

This guy is one weird dude. pic.twitter.com/dEZlHTzNcx

— corey robin (@CoreyRobin) July 30, 2018

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 July 2018 19:50 (seven years ago)

obviously he hates the wind cuz it messes up his hair

Οὖτις, Monday, 30 July 2018 19:52 (seven years ago)

my sincerely held religious belief is that Jeff Sessions is an evil elfling whose curse upon the land can only be lifted by his being turned into hamburger

― Οὖτις, Monday, July 30, 2018 3:31 PM

kaiser or onion roll

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 July 2018 19:52 (seven years ago)

challah roll duh

Οὖτις, Monday, 30 July 2018 20:14 (seven years ago)

at this point i can almost predict from my feed the exact tweets morbs is gonna share in here

global tetrahedron, Monday, 30 July 2018 20:17 (seven years ago)

just call me Ol' Reliable!

Such a pleasure seeing @BetteMidler back where she belongs! Huge thanks to the cast and crew of @HelloDollyBway for a joyful night (I'll never wash this cheek again)! https://t.co/Mzp0AOioie

— Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) July 27, 2018

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 July 2018 20:22 (seven years ago)

campaign on this

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/07/30/eye-popping-payouts-for-ceos-follow-trumps-tax-cuts-747649


Some of the biggest winners from President Donald Trump’s new tax law are corporate executives who have reaped gains as their companies buy back a record amount of stock, a practice that rewards shareholders by boosting the value of existing shares.

A POLITICO review of data disclosed in Securities and Exchange Commission filings shows the executives, who often receive most of their compensation in stock, have been profiting handsomely by selling shares since Trump signed the law on Dec. 22 and slashed corporate tax rates to 21 percent. That trend is likely to increase, as Wall Street analysts expect buyback activity to accelerate in the coming weeks.

“It is going to be a parade of eye-popping numbers,” said Pat McGurn, the head of strategic research and analysis at Institutional Shareholder Services, a shareholder advisory firm.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 30 July 2018 20:34 (seven years ago)

Such a pleasure seeing @BetteMidler back where she belongs! Huge thanks to the cast and crew of @HelloDollyBway for a joyful night (I'll never wash this cheek again)! https://t.co/Mzp0AOioie

— Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) July 27, 2018

what a monster so glad she's not pres etc etc etc

Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Monday, 30 July 2018 20:39 (seven years ago)

ugh

(•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 30 July 2018 20:43 (seven years ago)

way to receive a joke, stevie

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 July 2018 20:45 (seven years ago)

but i'm glad we agree on Bette Midler

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 30 July 2018 20:46 (seven years ago)

Bette's awesome

Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Monday, 30 July 2018 20:53 (seven years ago)

From a distance

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 30 July 2018 20:54 (seven years ago)

11,000 Wikileaks direct messages published online

An activist has published 11,000 direct messages on Twitter between the Wikileaks account and a group of its supporters.

The direct messages were published by Emma Best on her own website. Her Twitter account states that she is a journalist on the East Coast. Best has been critical of Wikileaks and has advocated for government transparency.

Some of the direct messages were previously published, but this is the first time all of the direct messages have been posted.

The messages show that Wikileaks wanted the GOP to defeat Hillary Clinton during the 2016 presidential elections.

"We believe it would be much better for the GOP to win," the Wikileaks account states to a supporter named "Emmy B" in one of the messages from 2015.

Another Twitter message from the Wikileaks account describes Clinton as a "bright, well-connected, sadistic sociopath."

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 30 July 2018 21:01 (seven years ago)

FAKE NUKES

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/399604-us-intelligence-agencies-determine-that-north-korea-is-constructing

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 30 July 2018 23:58 (seven years ago)

Makes sense to me. The NK scientists have all that data from the test firings they made back last year. They didn't just file it away unused. They found some problems, refined their methods, and are ready to apply what they learned to a new generation of ICBMs. That's how you make progress. What makes anyone think they'd do this differently?

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 03:05 (seven years ago)

Neanderthal, major lol (re from a distance)

And where did you acquire this fine bundle of lettuce? (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 03:15 (seven years ago)

weeks after President Trump declared the nation is "no longer a Nuclear Treat."

Oh hes a treat alright.

Stoop Crone (Trayce), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 03:23 (seven years ago)

WASHINGTON — The Trump administration is considering bypassing Congress to grant a $100 billion tax cut mainly to the wealthy, a legally tenuous maneuver that would cut capital gains taxation and fulfill a long-held ambition of many investors and conservatives.

Steven Mnuchin, the Treasury secretary, said in an interview on the sidelines of the Group of 20 summit meeting in Argentina this month that his department was studying whether it could use its regulatory powers to allow Americans to account for inflation in determining capital gains tax liabilities. The Treasury Department could change the definition of “cost” for calculating capital gains, allowing taxpayers to adjust the initial value of an asset, such as a home or a share of stock, for inflation when it sells.

“If it can’t get done through a legislation process, we will look at what tools at Treasury we have to do it on our own and we’ll consider that,” Mr. Mnuchin said, emphasizing that he had not concluded whether the Treasury Department had the authority to act alone. “We are studying that internally, and we are also studying the economic costs and the impact on growth.”

NYT - Trump Administration Mulls a Unilateral Tax Cut for the Rich

trump wants a shutdown if democrats don't agree to fund $25 billion to his wall. also, trump is considering a $100 billion tax cut

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 03:38 (seven years ago)

lmbo wow

devops mom (silby), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 03:41 (seven years ago)

PRESIDENT DEALS

Making Plans For Sturgill (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 03:42 (seven years ago)

hope this change goes through, i've got so many capital gains that would really benefit from this. my capital is always gaining much, and i'm always like "hello, have you heard of inflation?"

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 03:45 (seven years ago)

Remember when Obama was ruling by executive order?

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 03:54 (seven years ago)

Oh, yes. it was so horrible that it has forced the trump administration to do it twice as much, just to show how horrible it was when Obama did it.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 04:04 (seven years ago)

Own 'em, Trump!

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 04:07 (seven years ago)

Gonna pewp on the twet below me pic.twitter.com/j4W7dOECI3

— Ghostly (@ghostly) July 31, 2018


A highly respected Federal judge today stated that the “Trump Administration gets great credit” for reuniting illegal families. Thank you, and please look at the previous administrations record - not good!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 31, 2018

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 04:45 (seven years ago)

Leslie Cockburn, a Democratic congressional nominee in Virginia, accused her Republican opponent, Denver Riggleman, on Sunday of campaigning with white supremacists and being the author of Bigfoot-themed erotica.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/30/us/politics/bigfoot-porn.html

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 05:59 (seven years ago)

Odd if there was a correlation between the 2, if having sex with a Sasquatch was more acceptable than human 'miscegenation' or something.
Would be even worse if the 2 combined were vote winners

Stevolende, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 07:52 (seven years ago)

quick swing back round to the corey robin tweet morbs posted yesterday about trump's weird hatred of wind turbines - i suspect much of his animus probably comes from a windfarm which was built in scotland off the coast of his ecosystem-shattering golf resort in aberdeenshire, which he railed against because it allegedly spoiled his view of the ocean

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 09:50 (seven years ago)

anecdotal but I remember being in a train to glasgow a few years back and the three grannies surrounding me were all moaning about how ugly wind turbines were, which is bullshit but they were

Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 09:53 (seven years ago)

t/s: catastrophic climate change caused by runaway carbon emissions vs some offshore swirly bois

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 09:57 (seven years ago)

it's such a stupid argument cuz it's not like conventional power stations are anything other than ugly concrete boxes surrounded by pipes and chimneys

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 10:00 (seven years ago)

Yeah, but they are not in the nice countryside, but in one great big site not next to the nice houses.

Mark G, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 10:05 (seven years ago)

i actually really like the way that those windmills look on the horizon when you pass them on the motorway but tbf there aren't many where i live

Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 10:10 (seven years ago)

> ugly concrete boxes

but i do like a good hyperboloid cooling tower

koogs, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 10:21 (seven years ago)

Yeah, but they are not in the nice countryside, but in one great big site not next to the nice houses.

― Mark G, Tuesday, July 31, 2018 11:05 AM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I assume there is pretty much direct cause and effect at play there. The nice countryside around a traditional poer station would cease to be nice countryside, or at least would become less nice. Whereas the level of pollution from a wind turbine is negligible, may kill a few birds if they're not looking but doesn't turn the air grey.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 10:22 (seven years ago)

The globalist Koch Brothers, who have become a total joke in real Republican circles, are against Strong Borders and Powerful Trade. I never sought their support because I don’t need their money or bad ideas. They love my Tax & Regulation Cuts, Judicial picks & more. I made.....

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 31, 2018

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 10:55 (seven years ago)

....them richer. Their network is highly overrated, I have beaten them at every turn. They want to protect their companies outside the U.S. from being taxed, I’m for America First & the American Worker - a puppet for no one. Two nice guys with bad ideas. Make America Great Again!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 31, 2018

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 10:55 (seven years ago)

maverick!

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 11:07 (seven years ago)

ooo this should go well

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 11:15 (seven years ago)

tbh I relish any chance to beat up on those cold fuckers

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 11:45 (seven years ago)

suicide by koch

Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 12:03 (seven years ago)

coldkoched

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 12:13 (seven years ago)

kocholded

Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 12:15 (seven years ago)

we could be here al day

Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 12:15 (seven years ago)

koch-measuring contest

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 12:22 (seven years ago)

koch out

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 12:32 (seven years ago)

They love my Tax & Regulation Cuts, Judicial picks & more.

this reads like the copy for a fast food company explaining why your children want you to bring them there.

FernandoHierro, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 12:40 (seven years ago)

Get me a Koch!

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 12:55 (seven years ago)

Administration Weighs Unilateral Tax Cut for the Wealthy
A proposal under consideration at the Treasury Department would bypass Congress and use federal regulation to index capital gains for inflation, a $100 billion boost for high earners.
-NY Times

curmudgeon, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 13:01 (seven years ago)

exactly what this country needs at this time of historic equality of opportunity

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 13:04 (seven years ago)

the accelerationist administration

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 13:05 (seven years ago)

anecdotal but I remember being in a train to glasgow a few years back and the three grannies surrounding me were all moaning about how ugly wind turbines were, which is bullshit but they were

― Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie)

i'd rather look at a wind turbine than a glaswegian granny

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 13:32 (seven years ago)

how dare u some of my best friends are glaswegian grannies

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 13:33 (seven years ago)

yeah well some of my best friends are wind turbines

Arch Bacon (rushomancy), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 13:39 (seven years ago)

I would have thought there's more than enough space in the USA for wind turbines.And Glaswegian grannies.

Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 13:43 (seven years ago)

i saw 'em for the first time when we traveled out west to Arizona this spring. there aren't any in the southeast where I live as far as I know. I thought it was a super-cool sight but I recognize I might change my tune once the novelty wore off.

evol j, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 14:12 (seven years ago)

There were plenty in Kansas when I lived there, in the little Bush years already.

I was in east Germany a few weeks back and was amazed at how many there were. I see a lot of them in France but east Germany is covered with them.

droit au butt (Euler), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 14:15 (seven years ago)

may not be the thread for this but this is perhaps the worst thing I have read all year; large swaths of it would not seem out of place in the daily stormer https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/local/wp/2018/07/30/feature/majority-minority-white-workers-at-this-pennsylvania-chicken-plant-now-struggle-to-fit-in/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.dc75269e07d4

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 14:24 (seven years ago)

That's so sad. I sure hope those white people are going to be okay.

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 14:27 (seven years ago)

that's been making the rounds and even I don't hate myself enough to try and actually read it

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 14:28 (seven years ago)

this, the day after hugh hewitt gave trump a long and loving tongue-bath in an editorial entitled 'even if you loathe trump, vote republican'

the washington post: it's bad

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 14:33 (seven years ago)

actually, the same day! hell of an issue, everyone

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 14:37 (seven years ago)

Wind turbines? I'm a big fan.

wacka wacka

the rain in africa stays mainly in the plafrica (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 14:38 (seven years ago)

i read about a third of that article katherine posted and i had to stop because it was making me so fucking furious

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 14:40 (seven years ago)

hey, we're that much closer to Starship Troopers

https://www.defenseone.com/politics/2018/07/pentagon-create-space-force/150157/

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 14:43 (seven years ago)

I know several people who worked at restaurants for a few years in high school and now can speak conversational Spanish. You'd think "learning a new skill" would be appealing to these people given how much they champion "merit-based immigration"

frogbs, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 14:47 (seven years ago)

plus Brooks is flogging the third-party horse today in the NYT (not a workers'/left party, of course, but a centrist one). just a great day all around

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 14:47 (seven years ago)

it's all okay tho cuz bill kristlol is considering a presidential run in 2020

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 14:57 (seven years ago)

save us bill, you're our only hope

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 14:57 (seven years ago)

kristlol / lolwry '20

make America lol again

the rain in africa stays mainly in the plafrica (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 15:07 (seven years ago)

That Pennsylvania chicken plant article IS infuriating. The same fuckers who endorse open carry at Wal-Mart lose their shit if somebody speaks Spanish there. Their originalism dries up real fast when you remind them that the First Amendment doesn't specify a language.

com rad erry red flag (f. hazel), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 15:10 (seven years ago)

Kristol may be full of nothing but stupid/evil ideas, but there's his preternatural charm to consider.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 15:14 (seven years ago)

there's a reason he's known as 'america's sweetheart'

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 15:16 (seven years ago)

Wow, that Post piece is really something. I wonder if they just straight didn't bother interviewing any of the Snow Princess's co-workers, or if they did and their opinions of her were...unsuitable for print?

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 15:20 (seven years ago)

i choose to believe that they all speak perfect english and have just collectively chosen to shut her out

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 15:24 (seven years ago)

I had occasion this weekend to be in Glenmont, OH, a tiny town of about 275 people in a county that went 79-16 for Trump. I was talking to an older man who's a retired postman and now works as a trail warden taking care of the Holmes County Trail. He had nothing but bad things to say about Trump because of his handling of healthcare and the economy. (He literally said "This damned Trump economy," then went on at length about all the people he knows who can't get adequate care.) I didn't have the opportunity to find out but would be curious to see how widespread that attitude is becoming, contrary to the Salena Zitos of the world.

Eliza D., Tuesday, 31 July 2018 15:24 (seven years ago)

I wonder if they just straight didn't bother interviewing any of the Snow Princess's co-workers, or if they did and their opinions of her were...unsuitable for print?

― grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, July 31, 2018 11:20 AM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it seems like they did but they aren't given much play in the article

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 15:28 (seven years ago)

once again the "democracy dies in darkness" slogan is revealing itself to be a (kind of cool) political death metal aspiration rather than an outcome to be avoided

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 15:34 (seven years ago)

lol

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 15:37 (seven years ago)

Democracy Dies in Darkness As We Stab It Repeatedly in the Heart With The Obsidian Dagger

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 15:37 (seven years ago)

It will be the story of people like Heaven Engle and Venson Heim, both of whom were beginning careers on the bottom rung of an industry remade by Latinos,

Voiceover: the top rungs of the industry were not remade by Latinos.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 15:43 (seven years ago)

I think she should use the chicken parts as hand puppets and have imaginary conversations with them.

the rain in africa stays mainly in the plafrica (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 15:45 (seven years ago)

Studies have shown how some whites, who are dying faster than they’re being born in 26 states, react when they become aware of a tectonic demographic shift that will, with little historic precedent, reconfigure the racial and ethnic geography of an entire country.

Terrence McCoy found dead at the hands of a million Native American ghosts.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 15:46 (seven years ago)

will no-one think of the wites

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 15:50 (seven years ago)

You can dismiss everything the wapo reports now

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 15:50 (seven years ago)

womp womp / sad trombone

the rain in africa stays mainly in the plafrica (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 15:50 (seven years ago)

Is LEGITIMATE CONCERNS a thing in the US too?

Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 15:51 (seven years ago)

Turns out it's actually kinda hard to compete with people when you aren't chaining them up and/or genociding them.

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 15:51 (seven years ago)

legitimate concerns

About 892,000 results (0.33 seconds)

Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 15:52 (seven years ago)

This is maybe the most brutally depressing thing I’ve seen in a while: http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/miami-dade/fl-reg-girl-escapes-immigration-detention-center-20180729-story.html

JoeStork, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 15:56 (seven years ago)

Still, he says he supports Trump's general immigration policy, adding, "Let's make American great again."

eat shit

frogbs, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 15:59 (seven years ago)

fuck this guy. i hope his fucking shop burns down

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 16:00 (seven years ago)

anyone who interviews someone who says "make america great again" without irony should be required to ask the follow-up question "when was the last time america was great?"

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 16:17 (seven years ago)

I was just in the Pacific Northwest, which is this weird mishmash of progressive ideals, nimbyism, and militia types, all butting up against each other. Definitely wild to leave a place like Bend and an hour later stop at a gas station where the people at the other pump were hulking bearded dudes wearing matching Freedom Works t-shirts.

Oh, and much closer to home, a couple weeks ago I saw my first Trump 2020 bumper sticker. That is literally the only Trump anything I have seen near me since the election. We kind of stared at the back of the SUV, dumbfounded.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 16:24 (seven years ago)

1491

xpost

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 16:24 (seven years ago)

oh my god pic.twitter.com/LliqHGMKXA

— Simon Maloy (@SimonMaloy) July 31, 2018

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 16:39 (seven years ago)

That woman in the article can't be 20 years old. Kids, don't do drugs.

Yerac, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 16:41 (seven years ago)

for a better look...

My new painting – “Crossing the Swamp”
“Never give up. Never lower your light.
Never stop till the swamp is dry.” – Jon McNaughton
For a list of figures in the boat: https://t.co/ZIPdkBgcFU pic.twitter.com/CTPndvK5LM

— Jon McNaughton (@McNaughtonArt) July 31, 2018

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 16:41 (seven years ago)

never stop never swamping

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 16:42 (seven years ago)

never give up! trust your instincts!

This is a total Jeff Porcaro. (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 17:06 (seven years ago)

the incellular revolution is upon us

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 17:19 (seven years ago)

quick q: how does crossing a swamp help drain it? shouldn’t they all be holding onto a filthy hose slurping fetid swamp water into a septic truck?

a Stupendous Leg of Granite (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 17:27 (seven years ago)

What's John Bolton sitting on?

Frederik B, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 17:33 (seven years ago)

McConnell's face

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 17:36 (seven years ago)

Hate to break it to you guys but looks like Carson's rowing in the opposite direction

the rain in africa stays mainly in the plafrica (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 17:43 (seven years ago)

What's John Bolton sitting on?

― Frederik B, Tuesday, July 31, 2018 1:33 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

McConnell's face

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, July 31, 2018 1:36 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

irl lols

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 17:55 (seven years ago)

as someone pointed out, Melania is much too close to Pence for Mother's comfort

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 18:06 (seven years ago)

Probably a bad idea to drain the swamp while you're crossing it in a boat, because then you'll be stuck. Just something to think about.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 18:08 (seven years ago)

That painting should be the new velvet Elvis or dogs playing poker.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 18:08 (seven years ago)

The image maps directly onto the famous Washington Crossing the delaware doesn't it?
Except i don't see anything that Bolton has replaced.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 18:10 (seven years ago)

Had to add a 12th to disciple up the place.

burzum buddies (brownie), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 18:16 (seven years ago)

Here is the upshot of what Flake is doing:

Mitch McConnell kept the Senate in session in August (instead of recessing), so they could confirm Trump's judicial nominees, but Flake took his own recess for most of August. He's on judiciary, so now they can't confirm the judges. https://t.co/cTyPFgrGMM

— James Hasson (@JamesHasson20) July 30, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 18:18 (seven years ago)

McConnell kept them in session so Dems couldn't campaign

Bnad, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 18:26 (seven years ago)

hm gotta hand it to Flake that's an A+ dick move

devops mom (silby), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 18:29 (seven years ago)

I thought Flake had already said he would withhold his vote on judicial nominees until he got his tariff bill a vote on the floor...?

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 18:32 (seven years ago)

which came first, this tweet or the dude talking about someone's "uncle from zimbabwe," i.e. which way is the sniping flowing

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 18:39 (seven years ago)

on a DO SOMETHING scale from tweet to tweetstorm to voting, i would call taking a vacation somewhere it takes like 2 days to get home from a solid seth abramson tweetstorm.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 18:40 (seven years ago)

Flake's move = the equiv of McCain's thumbs-down move late July last year.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 18:43 (seven years ago)

eh not quite. He will come back to vote for Kavanaugh, after all.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 18:46 (seven years ago)

I know. He preened recently about holding up judge confirmations a few months ago.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 18:48 (seven years ago)

john kelly is so unhappy in the chaotic trump white house that he's agreed to stay on as chief as staff through the 2020 election, which would make him one of the longest tenured chief of staffs in history

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 19:41 (seven years ago)

lol no one else is willing to take on his thankless job; all possible alternative candidates have taken up a collection to bribe him to stay

the rain in africa stays mainly in the plafrica (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 19:44 (seven years ago)

anecdotal but I remember being in a train to glasgow a few years back and the three grannies surrounding me were all moaning about how ugly wind turbines were, which is bullshit but they were

― Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Tuesday, July 31, 2018 9:53 AM (nine hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I'm fb friends with a bunch of ppl from the Scottish borderlands and they are SUPER MAD about wind turbines!!! Idgi why they hate them so much but the rhetoric sounds about as convincing as the "illegals be takin oor jerbs" kind of thing you hear in the US.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 19:49 (seven years ago)

Flynn, Comey, and Mueller: What Trump Knew and When He Knew It

I have learned that a confidential White House memorandum, which is in the special counsel’s possession, explicitly states that when Trump pressured Comey he had just been told by two of his top aides—his then chief of staff Reince Priebus and his White House counsel Don McGahn—that Flynn was under criminal investigation. This memo, the existence of which I first disclosed in December in Foreign Policy, was, as one source described it to me, “a timeline of events [in the White House] leading up to Flynn’s resignation.” It was dated February 15, 2017, and was prepared by McGahn two days after Flynn’s forced resignation and one day after Trump’s meeting with Comey. As I reported, research for the memo was “primarily conducted by John Eisenberg, the deputy counsel to the president and legal adviser to the National Security Council,” who, in turn, was “assisted by James Burnham, another White House counsel staff member.”

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 19:50 (seven years ago)

I associate wind turbine hate in the USA with owners of beachfront property

devops mom (silby), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 19:50 (seven years ago)

Yam will "look into" 3D gun printing, and USA heaves a sigh of relief

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 19:51 (seven years ago)

might be faster if he just looked into a 3D gun

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 19:53 (seven years ago)

I suspect he wants to seize 3d printing technology and put it to work on his hairdo, but I will keep that suspicion to myself for now.

devil's avocado (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 19:57 (seven years ago)

I understand his concern. It's almost impossible to find a gun these days, with all the sensible regulation and all, but there's a 3D printer in every CVS in America. Oh, there's not?

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 20:00 (seven years ago)

Editors Note: Can we all stop using the term “Koch Brothers”? It is imprecise (there are more than two) and dehumanizing. They have names and are separate individuals worthy of respect. Charles and David are their names. https://t.co/K1CfcG5Mfx

— M. Todd Henderson (@ProfHenderson) July 31, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 20:40 (seven years ago)

say their names

devil's avocado (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 20:40 (seven years ago)

Funny, the Koch brothers don't look globalist

devops mom (silby), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 20:41 (seven years ago)

randolph and mortimer are their names

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 20:44 (seven years ago)

SAY THEIR NAMES, SCUM

Regeneration Biology proudly presents Fetal Bovine Serum USA (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 20:44 (seven years ago)

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/07/31/1784887/-Detained-migrant-kids-describe-getting-repeatedly-kicked,-verbally-abused-by-border-officers

. "They were kicked, repeatedly kicked, over and over” by guards, Carcelén continued, “who also said she heard stories of children being repeatedly woken up throughout the night while kept in custody.”

Other children say guards invoked their parents to further torment them, according to Catherine Powers, another translator. "There's a guard who said, 'Oh, what's your mom's name? I'll go get her,' and then he'd never come back. Can you imagine?" Attorney Brittany Bonner added that "guards would come and scream and yell and bang on the cages, 'You’re never going to see your parents again.’”

prosecute all these assholes

frogbs, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 20:46 (seven years ago)

how is m todd anderson real

I made the mistake of calling for the humane treatment of other humans today. The response was sickening in its depravity. My faith in humanity has been dramatically shaken. But, on the bright side, I got about ten new followers out of it.

— M. Todd Henderson (@ProfHenderson) July 31, 2018

Regeneration Biology proudly presents Fetal Bovine Serum USA (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 20:49 (seven years ago)

From what I understand from my dad who is both an energy systems engineer and an avid sailor/boater, I think proposals for offshore wind farms are typically situated out of the sight lines from shore but it puts them right in boating lanes instead.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 20:49 (seven years ago)

Charles and David are their names.

princess of hell (BradNelson), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 20:52 (seven years ago)

Breaking via @TheTerminal, a first glimpse at the Manafort defense:

*MANAFORT'S LAWYER BLAMES RICK GATES FOR TAX CRIMES

*GATES ACCUSED BY MANAFORT'S LAWYER OF EMBEZZLING

*GATES HAD 'HAND IN THE COOKIE JAR,' DEFENSE LAWYER SAYS pic.twitter.com/UlRLUdQtuk

— David S. Joachim (@davidjoachim) July 31, 2018

man, where's the bus when you need it to throw gates under it. should've colluded with michael cohen, at least then you have taxis

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 20:55 (seven years ago)

I don't get how calling a pair of brothers named Koch, "the Koch brothers", is disrespectful or inhumane, especially when referring to ideas or activities they share in common. If so, we've been treating the brothers Grimm mighty shabbily for more than a century and a half.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 20:56 (seven years ago)

probably close to the top 10% of humane things one can call them

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 20:58 (seven years ago)

happy to switch over to "littermates"

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 20:59 (seven years ago)

Bill Koch is also a shitty Koch brother. But at least he blew millions on fake wine and not shitty politicians.

Yerac, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 21:05 (seven years ago)

Bill Righteous and Bobby Righteous.

Father Ted in Forkhandles (Tom D.), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 21:06 (seven years ago)

Granted it’s not exactly a shock but....

NEWS: Susan Collins sides with Senate Republican leaders in seeking to limit the disclosure of documents from Brett Kavanaugh's White House tenure.https://t.co/jnKvCfUNcK

— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) July 31, 2018

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 21:22 (seven years ago)

"Please don't let me know too much."

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 21:26 (seven years ago)

tbf she can't learn anything new, it would push all the old things she knows out of her little brain

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 21:27 (seven years ago)

I thought the Koch brothers' names were Harry and Hugh.

devil's avocado (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 21:47 (seven years ago)

the party of true patriots:

ccording to a Yahoo Finance/SurveyMonkey poll of 2,509 Americans conducted July 25-27. In the survey, 11% of people who identify as Republican or lean Republican say it’s “appropriate” for Russia to help Republicans keep control of Congress in the upcoming elections. Another 29% say it’s “not appropriate, but wouldn’t be a big deal” for the Russians to help. So combined, 40% of Republicans either approve of Russian interference, or don’t strongly object to it.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 21:51 (seven years ago)

AKA the 'tell me what to think and I'll think the shit out of it' demographic.

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 21:55 (seven years ago)

with an added component of "we don't like hillary clinton and are willing to destroy everything in the country to spite her"

aloha darkness my old friend (katherine), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 22:25 (seven years ago)

...because they were trained to hate her

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 22:28 (seven years ago)

i suspect those number will go up significantly the closer we get to Nov

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 22:31 (seven years ago)

Russia playing the long game by "losing" the cold war huh

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 31 July 2018 23:20 (seven years ago)

"The Trump administration says people would drive more and be exposed to increased risk if their cars get better gas mileage, an argument intended to justify freezing Obama-era toughening of fuel standards." https://t.co/TEJCGNZq6f

— Jennifer Epstein (@jeneps) July 31, 2018

mookieproof, Tuesday, 31 July 2018 23:26 (seven years ago)

We should end all food stamp programs because there's a much greater risk of choking to death if you're able to eat regularly.

People in lower income brackets should really be more thankful that the wealthy take on all the risk of diving head-first into vaults filled to the brim with gold coins.

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 00:22 (seven years ago)

the party of true patriots:

/ccording to a Yahoo Finance/SurveyMonkey poll of 2,509 Americans conducted July 25-27. In the survey, 11% of people who identify as Republican or lean Republican say it’s “appropriate” for Russia to help Republicans keep control of Congress in the upcoming elections. Another 29% say it’s “not appropriate, but wouldn’t be a big deal” for the Russians to help. So combined, 40% of Republicans either approve of Russian interference, or don’t strongly object to it./


Wow, 2,500 people. Who, what, filled out an anonymous survey on a website?

beard papa, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 00:50 (seven years ago)

Figures look about right to me.

wayne trotsky (Simon H.), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 01:16 (seven years ago)

all these polls are fucked because a lot of them still rely on land lines

maura, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 01:34 (seven years ago)

SurveyMonkey poll

visiting, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 01:49 (seven years ago)

yes, they used online survey software to conduct a survey, great catch

Eliza D., Wednesday, 1 August 2018 01:59 (seven years ago)

think the point was this poll did not rely on landlines. but idk maybe surveymonkey has a room full of actual monkeys dialing random numbers.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 03:00 (seven years ago)

Not that there's anything inherently wrong with Survey Monkey, it's just that I'm not super impressed by a poll that 2,500 people clicked to take part in on Yahoo! Finance. Maybe it wasn't done that way and it was, like, targeted at specific members based on user data idk. Just doesn't seem like anything to take very seriously is all.

beard papa, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 03:23 (seven years ago)

worst part about surveymonkey is their terrible customer service, especially all of the monkey grunting and squeaking

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 03:33 (seven years ago)

https://www.surveymonkey.com/mp/survey-methodology/

jaymc, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 05:31 (seven years ago)

mike huckabee fat-thumbs his way thru a bass solo devoted to flouting international law

EFRAT, West Bank (AP) — Former presidential candidate Mike Huckabee has symbolically taken part in the building of an Israeli settlement in the West Bank.

The former governor of Arkansas laid bricks and spread cement Wednesday in a new neighborhood in Efrat. He says he may one day “purchase a holiday home” there.

Huckabee, whose daughter Sarah Huckabee Sanders is the White House press secretary, says he’s sure President Donald Trump would have been pleased to join him, “because he is a builder and he loves to see construction sites.”

The evangelical Christian says Trump is now “building a new world order.”

Israel captured the West Bank in the 1967 Mideast war. The Palestinians and much of the international community consider the hundreds of thousands of settlers that now live there to be an obstacle to peace.

Regeneration Biology proudly presents Fetal Bovine Serum USA (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 10:40 (seven years ago)

good mourning!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 11:13 (seven years ago)

mood: gurning

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 11:41 (seven years ago)

use survey monkey for work sometimes it's really good

The Desus & Mero Chain (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 12:33 (seven years ago)

There are reports that a child died in ICE custody in Dilley, Texas. Getting more information as the story develops. It’s unclear where the parent(s) of the child is. Some reports indicate that they maybe in New Jersey while child was in Texas. @MichaelAvenatti

— Mana Yegani (@Law_Mana) August 1, 2018

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 12:36 (seven years ago)

It was only a matter of time.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 12:37 (seven years ago)

that's absolutely sickening

brings back memories of the near-unanimous international outrage a couple of years ago over the horrifying picture of a dead syrian toddler refugee washed up on a european shore, outrage which lasted all of a week before anti-immigrant rhetoric went back to business as usual

i guess i can only hope this news actually does provide a tipping point in the usa on one of the few issues on which trump has actually had to walk things back

Regeneration Biology proudly presents Fetal Bovine Serum USA (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 13:34 (seven years ago)

panic on the streets of washington, i wonder to myself . . .

..This is a terrible situation and Attorney General Jeff Sessions should stop this Rigged Witch Hunt right now, before it continues to stain our country any further. Bob Mueller is totally conflicted, and his 17 Angry Democrats that are doing his dirty work are a disgrace to USA!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 1, 2018

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 14:15 (seven years ago)

"the lovely Lisa Page" made my skin crawl.

evol j, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 14:17 (seven years ago)

he's such fucking garbage. I wish he was dead.

Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 14:21 (seven years ago)

Has 17 Angry Democrats gained traction anywhere? I still don't know what he's talking about when he says that.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 14:21 (seven years ago)

wtf is a 'rigged witch'

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 14:21 (seven years ago)

So many great band names. 17 Angry Democrats. Rigged Witch Hunt. Disgrace to the USA. Attorney General Jeff Sessions.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 14:22 (seven years ago)

Stain Our Country

President Keyes, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 14:25 (seven years ago)

https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/longtime-gay-rights-opponent-tony-perkins-named-u-s-religious-n875016

Arthur Funzonerelli (stevie), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 14:25 (seven years ago)

It's kinda horrifying to watch a rat slowly lose the last of its mind as it works its teeth through layers of gristle in a futile attempt to free its trapped leg, occasionally raising its head and staring into the middle distance as it brays 'MAGA! SAD! WITCH HUNT!' through a mouthful of blood-flecked froth.

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 14:32 (seven years ago)

like everything else

Trump started by telling his crowd, where conspiracy theorists and Jim Acosta haters were unsurprisingly well represented, that “only American citizens should vote in American elections” as a response to an argument no one is making. “Which is why the time has come for voter ID, like everything else,” he continued.

“You know, if you want to go out and want to buy groceries, you need your picture, on a card. You need ID,” Trump, a man who has apparently never purchased groceries, told the crowd. “The only time you don’t need it, in many cases, is when you want to vote for a president, when you want to vote for a senator.”

https://splinternews.com/in-which-donald-trump-displays-his-powerful-knowledge-o-1828022971

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 14:36 (seven years ago)

I think he's confusing groceries for guns/ammunition.

something something guns not butter something.

Mark G, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 14:40 (seven years ago)

that's an awful lot of Coke, ribeyes, and ring-dings you're buying there, Mr. President. I think I'm gonna need to see some ID.

evol j, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 14:41 (seven years ago)

He is really bad at obstructing

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 14:41 (seven years ago)

Nixon at least knew how to cover up a cover up

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 14:42 (seven years ago)

I'm always so frustrated when I need to use a public restroom or cross a street or send something in the mail but can't because I didn't have my photo ID on me. But at least it doesn't hinder my voting. At least that.

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 14:42 (seven years ago)

The Fake News Media is going CRAZY! They are totally unhinged and in many ways, after witnessing first hand the damage they do to so many innocent and decent people, I enjoy watching. In 7 years, when I am no longer in office, their ratings will dry up and they will be gone!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 31, 2018

That sentence kind of got away from you there, champ.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 14:42 (seven years ago)

Nixon at least had been to a grocery store.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 14:43 (seven years ago)

I wish Trump would have a heart attack during a public televised speech. Id probably beat off

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 14:44 (seven years ago)

I just got prescribed blood pressure meds and largely blame this administration

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 14:44 (seven years ago)

Nixon's father was a grocer

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 14:46 (seven years ago)

Wish I could remember who wrote a Twilight Zone-ish story I read as a kid, about a guy who was told there was a collective that was concentrating on his demise at a particular time of day, for five minutes or so, and would continue to do so until it was effective. Seems like a Sturgeon or Sheckley type story. Can't remember what the guy had done to deserve it, but the specificity of a time (say 5:15 p.m.) and the number of people concentrating (5 thousand?) added strength to its voodoo power of suggestion. I've googled various phrases, but no luck.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 14:47 (seven years ago)

It was 13 Democrats the other day where did the new 4 come from

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 14:47 (seven years ago)

He reminds me of when you lied and told your mom you had no homework and based on your history of lying, threatened to call your teacher and you screamed NOOOOO

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 14:48 (seven years ago)

I seriously cannot imagine any other adult consistently behaving like such a petulant choad without eventually getting the living shit kicked out of them.

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 14:55 (seven years ago)

I seriously cannot imagine any other adult consistently behaving like such a petulant choad while 40+% of the voting public cheer him like he's the fucking racist beatles

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 14:56 (seven years ago)

I wish Trump would have a heart attack during a public televised speech. Id probably beat off

― fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 14:44 (twenty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

"Not only .. is this the last speech today, .... but this is the last speech I'll ever do! "

Mark G, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 15:07 (seven years ago)

Aug. thread title: How many Angry Democrats does it take to screw in a Rigged Witch Hunt?

a shomin-geki poster with some horror elements (WilliamC), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 15:10 (seven years ago)

is this the first time he's directly told Sessions to kill the investigation?

frogbs, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 15:11 (seven years ago)

It is. He was less direct but hinted at the same thing previously

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 15:15 (seven years ago)

Under His eye

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 15:16 (seven years ago)

A highly respected Federal judge today stated that the “Trump Administration gets great credit” for reuniting illegal families. Thank you, and please look at the previous administrations record - not good!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 31, 2018

imagine bragging about this

frogbs, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 15:23 (seven years ago)

Wish I could remember who wrote a Twilight Zone-ish story I read as a kid, about a guy who was told there was a collective that was concentrating on his demise at a particular time of day, for five minutes or so, and would continue to do so until it was effective. Seems like a Sturgeon or Sheckley type story. Can't remember what the guy had done to deserve it, but the specificity of a time (say 5:15 p.m.) and the number of people concentrating (5 thousand?) added strength to its voodoo power of suggestion. I've googled various phrases, but no luck.

― the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Wednesday, August 1, 2018 3:47 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

There's one about a hate mail campaigner who introduces hoodoo or something which backfires on him & he winds up a fraction of his size. Wonder if it might be a line or two in that.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 15:26 (seven years ago)

> wtf is a 'rigged witch'

a spoonerism?

koogs, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 15:30 (seven years ago)

If by 'spoonerism' you mean 'an incoherent expression of paranoia made just after President Coke Sweats has had a toot' I concur.

Things To Do For Dinner When You're Dad (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 15:43 (seven years ago)

Lot more attention paid to the typo on this one than that he’s seemingly admitting to a crime again.

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1024676935065120768

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 15:57 (seven years ago)

Has 17 Angry Democrats gained traction anywhere? I still don't know what he's talking about when he says that.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, August 1, 2018 7:21 AM (one hour ago)

35 members of Mueller's team of lawyers: 17 Democrats and take a wild guess which party the other 18 are affiliated.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 15:59 (seven years ago)

Did the smocking gun tweet get deleted?

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 16:02 (seven years ago)

is there a separate thread for all of the trials and court proceedings connected with...all of this? like manafort's trial?

something tells me this judge may be a doofus

ALEXANDRIA, VA — The federal judge overseeing the trial of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort doesn’t want the word “oligarch” – which was invoked by both sides on Tuesday – to be used in front of the jury

In a back and forth between U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis and prosecutors at the start of Wednesday’s proceedings, the prosecutors argued that witnesses should be allowed to use the term in testimony.

Ellis ordered the government to file briefs to defend the use of the term, which he said was “pejorative.”

“We’re not going to have this case tried that he associated with despicable people,” Ellis said, referring to Manafort.

“That’s not the American way,” Ellis added.

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 16:06 (seven years ago)

It would appear so yes. He fixed it and reposted.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 16:07 (seven years ago)

what did it say ?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 16:09 (seven years ago)

lol the legendary manafort capone

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 16:10 (seven years ago)

Xpost this except he spelled smoking “smocking”

“We already have a smoking gun about a campaign getting dirt on their opponent, it was Hillary Clinton. How is it OK for Hillary Clinton to proactively seek dirt from the Russians but the Trump campaign met at the Russians request and that is bad?” Marc Thiessen, Washington Post

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 1, 2018

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 16:20 (seven years ago)

Ha, better search terms this morning found it! "The Candidate" by Henry Slesar, published in Rogue magazine, 1961. I'd forgotten the twist ending. Movie version here.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 16:20 (seven years ago)

Chaos, rampant in an age of distrust
Confrontations
Compulsive habitat

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 16:21 (seven years ago)

Today I’m proud to endorse such a wide and impressive array of Democratic candidates – leaders as diverse, patriotic, and big-hearted as the America they’re running to represent: pic.twitter.com/gWzalQhFas

— Barack Obama (@BarackObama) August 1, 2018

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 16:21 (seven years ago)

serious question: what is the quick answer to Marc Thiessen's question? Why is soliciting the Steele dossier ok, but not having a meeting with some random Russians? Is it because Steele is not a gov't agent (just a former one?)

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 16:25 (seven years ago)

how many times per day do you think Trump complains that there should be another investigation of the Clinton campaign

like, does he not realize he could tell the justice department to get to work on that, or does he try and then they tell him they already did that?

mh, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 16:25 (seven years ago)

good luck, Bam!

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 16:25 (seven years ago)

I'm sure Trump is seething at staff about that saying "President Obama" and not "Ex-President Obama."

a shomin-geki poster with some horror elements (WilliamC), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 16:25 (seven years ago)

fwiw I am interested in the legal distinction here
xp

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 16:25 (seven years ago)

Sometimes i think the best troll reply to his tweets are "u got a phone, bruh"

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 16:26 (seven years ago)

xp presumably because Steele was an investigator doing actual detective work and not an agent of a foreign government? and he was paid to do exactly that

if it was a random russian person offering intelligence to Trump for cash, I think it's no big deal and comparable. and who knows, maybe that is how the investigation turns out. but what it seems like so far is that it was all some weird quid pro quo crap, and linked with all the money laundering and shady business deals. and there's the implication some of what the russian agents/oligarchs/whatever were offering was illegally procured email, or that they offered services that were outright criminal

if Trump said "hack their email" and someone did just that, then it's not far off from saying "break into their office"

mh, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 16:30 (seven years ago)

Re: Steele? He's not a state agency/actor. I think it's illegal to accept help from state agents/actors in a presidential campaign. So is soliciting or accepting (or going to accept) knowingly stolen information, which Steele was not peddling but the Russians (allegedly) were.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 16:33 (seven years ago)

hmm missing somebody in those NY endorsements, O?

President Keyes, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 16:35 (seven years ago)

The most terrifying thing is just how out in the open he has been with his lawbreaking. Most of it is due to tribalism but some of his less knuckledraggy followers are probably claiming 5D Chess because they can't fathom he is really stupid enough to telegraph everything to law enforcement when in actuality it's because he's done this and avoided consequences his entire life.

9/11 probably poisoned the well forever with our politics. People in all parties have been willing to accept utter bullshit in the name of counterterrorism and are more easily duped into us vs them binaries.

When I grew up terrorism wasn't a thing people in my city worried about, even after the Oklahoma City bombing. I had to ask my dad what terrorism was when I was 10.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 16:39 (seven years ago)

the problem with proving collusion with a foreign government is that part of the russian government is linked so heavily to the oligarchy/kleptocracy that you could spend an infinite amount of time debating whether someone is a "state actor" or working in that capacity

mh, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 16:39 (seven years ago)

yeah, that kinda seems like the crux of the issue, and as such its a grey area ripe for exploitation by a shitbag like his Orangeness

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 16:45 (seven years ago)

August already!!

US Politics, August 2018: There must be something wrong, please recheck that poll!

frogbs, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 16:46 (seven years ago)

serious question: what is the quick answer to Marc Thiessen's question? Why is soliciting the Steele dossier ok, but not having a meeting with some random Russians? Is it because Steele is not a gov't agent (just a former one?)

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, August 1, 2018 12:25 PM (fifteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Re: Steele? He's not a state agency/actor. I think it's illegal to accept help from state agents/actors in a presidential campaign. So is soliciting or accepting (or going to accept) knowingly stolen information, which Steele was not peddling but the Russians (allegedly) were.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, August 1, 2018 12:33 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think the adversarial nature of our relationship with Russia is a factor as well, in light of the fact that ever intelligence agency has concluded that they were engaged in efforts to hack the DNC sow disinformation, and otherwise do anything they could to undermine the legitimacy of our process as well as swing the race to Trump. if, say, representatives of the Italian government met with the Trump team to peddle dirt, I don't think it's nearly as big of a deal.

evol j, Wednesday, 1 August 2018 16:47 (seven years ago)

hmm missing somebody in those NY endorsements, O?

― President Keyes, Wednesday, August 1, 2018 4:35 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

assume these endorsements are for people in close races not rofflestomps in dark blue districts

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 16:47 (seven years ago)

then again gavin newsome might be in a rofflestomp in CA gov but he's a piece of shit and I can see him making it way closer than it has a right to be

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 16:50 (seven years ago)

Mods, close thread.

morning wood truancy (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 16:52 (seven years ago)

And America

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 16:53 (seven years ago)

Wait. I'm still on the middle of America and I want to see how it ends. Lock thread, though.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 1 August 2018 18:13 (seven years ago)


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