2018 US OPEN

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_US_Open_%E2%80%93_Women%27s_Singles
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_US_Open_%E2%80%93_Men%27s_Singles

bouchard qualified & only dropped 7 games doing it btw

wow & auger-aliassime got slotted to play shapo

Halep out R1, wow

wow venus over kuzny in a 1st rd classic

id never count out venus but she may have a hard time answering the bell nxt rd vs giorgi esp cuz its supposed to be much hotter

only just tuned in but shapo/felix is riveting, praise canada

well that took a turn...

sick dfense by novak to steal the 3rd set from fucsovics

fucs in a lotta ways has the same game as novak, is a challenging 1st rd...plus it being 95 degrees out

they're ultimately gonna have to do something about the scheduling of this/the aussie, and they might as well do it before someone (in the stands or on the court) keels over dead

i don't know what the answer is, but it's too fucking hot for five-setters, and there are going to be at least a few days like this every year

great desk interview w fed

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/28/sports/tennis/us-open-heat.html

it becomes a logistical clusterfuck if you, say, cancel a day or part of a day due to heat but obv it happens w/ rainouts, it can probably happen someday

i was thinking more along the lines of moving the whole tournament back two weeks

and displace the laver cup? heaven forbid

murray/verdasco is a gd battle

both look pained in btwn each pt, hope this goes 5

oo well dasco closes it

so what the hell was the pep talk the chair gave to nick k?
nice how roger when asked abt it was like "that wont happen again"

huge props to sandgren to get this set off novak

3rd rd matchups of serena/venus and kyrgios/fed are abt as compelling to even casual fans as humanly possible tbh

even being pushed like this, djoko now looks in good form to me & w/ these cts playing p slow id say he'll beat fed if the bottom of the bracket holds

rafa off the ropes

yikes these df's for khach

long point

39 shots, kk was prob too passive

that shapo service return was unreal

nadal kk was a great match

not at all surprised serena is trucking venus

poor venus

rip stan

looks like tsurenko was down 1-4 to siniakova...& won 11 games straight

also that around the net post winner by rog was crazy

nick is only half competing now tho, hes in entertainment mode

fed didnt play v well & didnt serve well, didnt have to

can't stand zverev and his dumb face, plus it seems american media wants to cover his every move to the exclusion of so many other worthy names

thiems dfense vs anderson is crazy

basils bhand is rude tday, lotta winners

kanepi!

raonic/isner inevitably going 5, tho no tiebreaks yet (pity anyone misguided enough to have bet "Will there be a tiebreak played? Yes -5000, if it doesnt come in) o_o

roger down 2 sets to 1, looks off in every way

yeah hes putting it into the net a ton

Mysteriously* waking up at 5:51am to find Millman at MP: maybe I just had to be there for the end of Fed’s career :(

(* not really, GF’s alarm goes off at 5:50)

10 double faults? Served at 6-3 5-4 40/15? Sounds like a disaster tbh.

What’s the longest ever gap between Slams? For Delpo it would be 9 years...

thiem pushing this to 5 is impressive

Goddammit. Missed smash on MP.

great match

After Fed’s fall I was really hoping for a last four with none of the old guard. Del Potro-Thiem/Nishikori-Millman would have been ideal.

Nadal only won seven points in that first set.

well, millman made him work a bit

I'm worried Serena doesn't have any real friends, because a real friend would have talked to her about that dress

serena has transcended all these things

stoked for Osaka, hopefully it's a great final!

I loved the dress. It's like when Usain Bolt turns and smiles at the camera before he crosses the finish line.

delpo chokin away a service game for the first set

So what's the feeling? I'd like Serena to get another slam but can't help feeling that I'd like Osaka to do it as well.

Delpo to win on Sunday would be sweet, but he's never beaten Djoko in a slam and I can see heartbreak.

uk ppl what's the stream you are using for this if any?

*whispers* cric hd dot com

scroll down the list of channels until you find one that'll be showing the tennis, probably eurosport idk

Its on amazon prime in the uk (they got the rights from sky/eurosport)...don't know if that's gonna do it.

Anything to detract from Margaret Court's legacy is a win.

Only seeing this thing through tweets but Osaka is dominating and has won the first set.

Listening on the radio. Epic game 4, Serena breaks!!

What happened with the coaching thing! I missed it!

This is bullshit!

Dude. Serena IS the game. The first thing I thought of was McEnroe getting away with years of this bullshit.

She received a warning for coaching, she denied she was being coached, but the replay showed Mouratoglou was in fact giving some kind of instruction.

Fucking fine the coach.

That happened in the second game of set 2, and she’s been unravelling ever since. Osaka got under her skin big time (with her fantastic playing, I should add)

xp Yes, the game fine is weird

I would burn that place down. With all the shit they put on Serena, especially this year.

Osaka win is totally deserved though

Both of these things can be true.

This was extraordinary. Osaka was ice cool throughout to wrap it up. What a player!!

I need to find out what happened before. we tuned in way late.

The umpire was wrong but Serena was weirdly channelling McEnroe to get herself going against an opponent who had all the answers.

Never forget the Serena rant against Ramos (its hard to believe he will ever umpire a slam final again).

Yeah, that umpire is done. Especially if all other coaches are coaching every single point in his matches.

That was very emotional. We are so teary here. She has had to get through so much shit recently ( I mean her entire life).

This is by far the most upsetting match I have ever seen. And this awards ceremony. We are crying.

this is all very crazy and amazing

Holy shit, if every single coach is out there making hand gestures or talking to themselves or whatever, remove the coaches from the court.

I get that but there is something entitled about her behaviour (lol "we'll get through this"). The umpire made a mistake but there was such a loss of control here.

Williams was getting beaten by a better player on the day, and now hearing Osaka she can't even enjoy it. I hope she will in time.

Poor Osaka. That umpire is an ass.

Yeah, but they have been after Serena for awhile (she gets treated like shit). No one can withstand that forever. How dare they imply that she has to cheat. I would tear shit up.

And yeah, Osaka. I was like the stupid interviewer needs to just move along. Osaka can't even feel good about anything that just happened. And fuck Chris Everett too. She came off like trash.

It was upsetting. Those rules are stupid to begin with, are obviously discretionary and inconsistently applied, and it appears violations may not be well communicated to the players during the match. To employ them in this way at this time was BS. He was not only unfair to Serena, he took a big dump on Osaka's achievement and her moment.
And yeah, why did the interviewer ask that question about how the reality compared to the dream.

And of course all the anti-Colin Kap racists are so gleeful everywhere right now. What a shitshow. Osaka apologizing for winning. Christ.

holy cow

Yeah, Serena's racist haters are so happy about this outcome and to blame Serena and praise the umpire. Ugh.

Congrats to Osaka. To beat Williams in front of a parochial home crowd is a stunning achievement. Some really embarrassing behaviour from Williams tonight.

Yeah, but they have been after Serena for awhile (she gets treated like shit). No one can withstand that forever. How dare they imply that she has to cheat. I would tear shit up.

― Yerac, Saturday, September 8, 2018 6:11 PM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is not really the implication...

serena honestly should be ashamed, but she is bigger than the sport and she knows it. feel awful for ōsaka who played a stellar match and had to endure this BS

It is the implication. If you are not a woman (especially not a black woman) you have absolutely no clue.

Serena should feel however she should feel. I don't know how she has been this gracious for the entirety of her career. But I also feel horrible for Osaka. It was a shitshow. Tennis needs to get itself together.

ffs I felt for her so much in that moment. She knows how to lose. But to give her that violation. I would lose my shit on top of the year she has had ON TOP OF BEING A BLACK WOMAN IN THE U.S. WITH TRUMP.

I'm old enough to remember when tennis was actually a major sport and also in the era when McEnroe was fuckin wildin out all the time so forgive my if I roll my fuckin eyes at your pearl clutching kev

whether the implication was that she was “cheating” has nothing to do with gender tbh. whether there was a different threshold for men vs women is a different, fair question however. do you watch much tennis?

she got a warning for the coaching btw. no penalty. she then proceeded later in the match to smash her racquet in frustration and impugn the character of the umpire. she’s 37 fwiw.

I watch a lot of tennis. I played varsity tennis in high school even though I sucked and I have been to the US open. I live 30 minutes away from the stadium. I am glad analysis are being done about the umpire's calls and how other men have been little bitches too recently And we ALL immediately thought of McEnroe going on a performance art monologue. He was celebrated for being a bitch.

She's 37 . Wtf does that have to do with anything.

At dinner tonight someone implied that she was more upset that she lost to a much younger woman. Seriously dudes, have you learned nothing this year? Nothing?

I watch a lot of tennis. I played varsity tennis in high school even though I sucked and I have been to the US open. I live 30 minutes away from the stadium. I am glad analysis are being done about the umpire's calls and how other men have been little bitches too recently And we ALL immediately thought of McEnroe going on a performance art monologue. He was celebrated for being a bitch.

― Yerac, Sunday, September 9, 2018 12:58 AM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I am really not sure how mcenroe’s conduct 35 years ago has anything to do with what happened today tbh

also don’t really care what someone said at your dinner party. do you filter everything in your life through these tediously tendentious lenses or is it just on ilx? it makes it hard to have a serious conversation

ffs I felt for her so much in that moment. She knows how to lose. But to give her that violation. I would lose my shit on top of the year she has had ON TOP OF BEING A BLACK WOMAN IN THE U.S. WITH TRUMP.

I'm sure this person who is literally a millionaire more than a hundred times over, and is arguably the most successful person to ever play her sport is doing okay. She's not a victim. Her behaviour sucked; she totally lost her composure when she realised she was being outplayed, and started deflecting blame from herself on to the umpire. Which is a totally normal sports thing, but no less childish when Serena does it.

It's okay to really like an athlete, and also to say that they have behaved shittily at some point.

It was just dinner; not a dinner party. I knew someone would bring up her money. It's always something. People bring up McEnroe right now because he was super egregious and Chris Everett and MAry Joe were commentating so the mind went to right to that era. But things are already being written about more recent events. Like, I am super glad you guys want to hold the fort that it wasn't sexism. Good job. Let's all tread water in life until we die.

Can we talk about how Colin Kap was a shitty football player but super rich now so what he says must be only for lols?

Kinda fitting that a tournament marked by bad umpiring would end like this.

I would say Ramos was wrong on the coaching violation (but not that wrong, given that Mourataglou himself admitted to giving instructions) but Serena did herself no favours after that. Unlike illegal coaching, where the rule has been often arbitrarily enforced, racquet abuse is a well-understood code violation and umpires WILL dock you on it. She should have known that.

The smart thing to do would have been to let it go after that but Serena went ahead and threatened his career and called him a thief.

Bad calls happen in matches all the time and the best players learn to move past them quickly. We've seen this happen with Serena so many times - she can't let go, particularly in matches where she feels she should be winning. The Williams sisters have endured countless instances of sexism and racism, but let's not pretend that this wasn't part of a long pattern of bad behaviour from Serena alone. She behaved poorly, and took away from what should have been a huge moment for her opponent.

dont know anything abt this but we should all feel free to relate dinner party conversation in any thread wtf

I think Ramos has acted correctly tbh

the first warning (for coaching) is debatable, but Mouratoglou admitted afterwards that he coached

the second warning (for racquet abuse) ALWAYS gets carried out

the third one (for verbal abuse) is justified imho, because what she said was really inexcusable (not just the "thief" comment, but especially the "you will never be on another court of mine as long as you live")

xpost he just wanted to be a condescending wank. I get it.

The illegal coaching, I have actually never ever seen a violation for that and I didn't even know it was a thing. And now that people are readily admitting that all coaches do this and even in that specific umpire's matches! And the verbal abuse,...yeah I get it was on top of the others but let's not pretend the men haven't said worse. I see Nadal even threatened the same umpire about his career. Granted, there was a ten year gap where I didn't follow tennis because it got super boring. I have to look up Serena's "epidemic"bad behaviour because I obviously don't watch enough of her to know this is a trademark. Like this is the first instance I have ever seen it. I know she has had issues at the US Open in the past. And then the change in her ranking because of maternity time off, and the french open dress requirement, and the never-ending excessive drug testing and the "she looks like a man." remarks.

kap was a v good qb for about 1.5 years

To hear it told, he is a rich, white, castro loving, cop bashing, communist, shit football player who can't even drive.

Roz otm.

deserved win for Osaka. not only this game, but she's been awesome the entire tournament.

Serena will get her record next season, the weird anger explosion could be explained from the nerves getting to that record Slam

Billy Jean King had an interesting point that due to her coach's actions Serena was penalised and yes that isn't right. Coaching probably should be allowed. But that's for another day.

How many times does Rafa get a violation for time wasting for example? Rules being inconsistently applied is a thing, and I bet even more so via racial lines. This issue will never have its day.

I bought up the McEnroe comparison bcz as a commentator he would always say you should use the crowd (never seen him play to exactly see how this worked for him) and Serena has seldom needed it but it was clear she was going to lose...and things just ran out of control for her. Or was she? I mean she had just managed to finally break Osaka in the 2nd set when this all kicked off right? If she brushed that aside and got on with it she could've won the set...there was a long way to go. And then there wasn't.

I have never seen a game awarded to an opponent at a slam final. Has this ever happened?

She broke Osaka and Osaka broke right back, which was when she smashed her racquet. Who knows what would have happened if she had kept her cool then. (Worth noting that a racquet smash also came before her outburst on match point during the 2009 semi against Clijsters).

No I've never seen anyone given a game penalty in a Slam final, but it was her third code violation. Would have been a fine or a point docked, otherwise. I have seen a player defaulted from the USO for insulting an umpire though - Fognini last year.

Right thanks. Osaka had broken back...listening to radio and looking at this through social media was a weird trip.

I hope Osaka can look back and taken even more pride. To serve for a slam in those one-time conditions and come through it is something special.

And we ALL immediately thought of McEnroe going on a performance art monologue. He was celebrated for being a bitch.

He was never celebrated for this, the kindest thing people used to do was laugh at it and turn it into some kind of a joke, otherwise he was criticized for it constantly.

He was celebrated. People tuned in to watch him lose his shit. Even Jimmy Connors started acting up.

Again, this has nothing to do with Osaka not being the better player during the match. And Serena knows how to lose.

I have never, ever seen a game penalty.

The equivalent of the umpires and tennis authorities and commentators and ex-pros laying into Serena now were not celebrating when McEnroe did it back then. Granted the general public might have been tuning into gawp and guffaw at McEnroe's antics though.

Kyrgios is widely denigrated for his antics but it draws viewers

Yes, and I'm sure the heightened circus draws in ppl.

Re: McEnroe I wonder whether he was liked for it in the US but hated for it over here. Can't see Wimbledon openly welcoming vulgarity.

a teacher friend on my TL compared this to how black students are disciplined in school. penalized for violations of rules that are arbitrarily enforced with greater frequency against black students.

serena was playing poorly a lot of this match and that frustration was not helped by ramos' nitpicky coaching violation call. the fact that he's calling a coaching violation after it was revealed that serena is drug-tested more than any player makes me sympathetic to her feeling accused of cheating.

in another universe where he gives a verbal warning about the coaching rather than a formal one, the broken racket after osaka broke her serve (assuming it still happens) should've been the only formal reprimand. ramos has tolerated tongue-lashings from men before, and finding something especially egregious about serena's words feels like trying to find justification for the imbalance of consequences. that game penalty was bush league and robbed serena of any chance at mounting a comeback, however remote given her unsteady service play up to that point. she wasn't composed yesterday, but that's a benefit of the doubt other players are given and it's not wrong for her to expect a similar benefit of the doubt.

Djokovic Gets Into Argument With Same Umpire Carlos Ramos at French Open, multiple violations did not result in docked point or game. https://t.co/qkZv2SNE7O

— Has The Umpire Been Fired Yet? (@AgentTinsley) September 9, 2018

Celebrated not equal to celebrating. I used a word easily misinterpretted. He was the "bad boy" of tennis. Heh, I look up jimmy Connors to see what he was doing and on my first page of hits is him calling someone on the court a "fucking f****t playing pusher."

Yeah, when we were watching it we just got overwhelmingly sad. We had been discussing the stupid french open dress code thing and the absurd penalty against the woman for changing her shirt on the court. The umpire just couldn't stand be talking to that way by a black woman. I am surprised he didn't call the cops on her because he feared for his life (hyperbole, yes I know, but not really.)

Violation...not penalty for shirt changing. Since you guys want to make it about tedious specifics and not the big picture of what went terribly wrong.

Tennis 'bad boys', before McEnroe there was Nastase, undoubtedly get special treatment and attention and, yes, are celebrated by some - in ways a female player would never be if she acted the same way.

Thanks for that thread Bison - Ramos was correct according to the laws of the game, but its the inconsistency of the application for male and mostly white players.

In this way a tennis match reflects the big picture, and its never an escape from it. Nor is it intended to be that.

Every time i think about him taking the game away from her, especially during a final as her "punishment" for talking back..I want to stab something.

Contrary to that thread, most regular tennis watchers know that Carlos Ramos is a known stickler for rules: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/tennis/umpire-carlos-ramos-has-history-of-being-stickler-for-violations/ar-BBN40R7?li=AA54yf

Also, as many users in that thread pointed out, the difference between those instances and today was that Serena was given a game penalty after three separate code violations. That first video with Djokovic, for example: he was penalised a first serve for being slow, and then a code violation for unsportsmanlike conduct. He complained about Ramos but kept on playing. That's what players normally do after they've been docked, not call the umpire names.

As for the other examples, they involved other umpires not Ramos. xyzzzz_ is right, it's the inconsistency of the rules being applied that's the problem here. We had Mohamed Lahyani being criticised for being too lenient with a misbehaving player last week, and here we had Ramos, who's being criticised for being too harsh. I personally think he should have explained the coaching violation more clearly to her (if anything it's Mourataglou's fault!) or at least given her an initial warning, but apart from that, Serena deserved all the penalties she got. Rules are rules - the fact that they haven't been applied consistently in the past is irrelevant.

And yes, she has gone through a lot as a woman and a player. She's not the first to return to the game after maternity leave - Clijsters and Azarenka, both former no. 1s, came back to the game without protected rankings. Dress code rules are frequently stupid - she should be allowed to wear a catsuit at the French Open, and Alize Cornet should be allowed to change her shirt on court. No one, not Serena, not Martina Navratilova or Amelie Mauresmo, should be called out for their looks.

It's great that Serena is fighting against this and against all the bullshit that women athletes have to put up with, and she is an amazing and brilliant player all round. It's still no excuse for bad behaviour and flouting the rules.

it's absolutely relevant! if rules are intended to disincentivize behaviors but are applied in arbitrary ways, then this opens the doors for bias and the personal whims of officials.

xxp

roz otm obv

xpost I meant it's irrelevant in this particular match. Carlos Ramos is being attacked for correctly applying the rules - it is not his fault that other umpires have failed to do so in the past.

idg why 'coaching' is illegal -- what, exactly, is mourataglou telling serena (with hand signals!) that she doesn't already know?

is it really the umpire's job to survey the crowd looking for coaching? maybe the official coaches, at least, should be required to sit in a press box where they can't be easily seen, if this is such a terrible transgression

I don't get the coaching thing either. Someone was making chicken and dumpling last night and I started using that hand motion to coach him with the dumpling making.

Then maybe a large part of the problem is the rules themselves. From my humble perspective (I will admit I don't know as much about tennis as most of you seem to) it seems crazy that something like this could be such a factor in the score and outcome of a match let alone a GS final. And while the umpire may have been correct by the letter of the law it to me it seems that if he has any discretion in applying the rules, the better course of action would have been to take himself out as a factor in a situation like this. I don't think Serena's behavior alone (which I agree was poor and something she should have gotten under control) would have taken away from Osaka's win and moment if it hadn't resulted in the penalties, score change, controversy, crowd booing etc.
If the coaching rule is constantly violated, then either it should be changed or coaches should be removed from the stands (it should probably be changed) As it is, if it's applied arbitrarily then the time to arbitrarily apply it should not have been a situation like this.
Without necessarily drawing any conclusions about this particular incident, It goes without saying that it is in the discretionary power of authority and uneven application of rules & penalties for violating them that racial and gender bias often comes into play and that technically correct rulings can also be sexist and/or racist.
I don't think it's excusing Serena's behavior to say the umpire should also have handled this differently.

The umpire just couldn't stand be talking to that way by a black woman. I am surprised he didn't call the cops on her because he feared for his life (hyperbole, yes I know, but not really.)

Ramos is Portugese ffs. Not everything has to be about US domestic issues

George Zimmerman was half hispanic. What's your point? And for the US Open, taking place in the US, with two Americans, I am going to talk about US domestic issues.

The point is he is Portuguese, he lives in Portugal not the USA, and yes, calling the cops on a black person because you fear for your life might well happen in Portugal, but we don't know that it does.

Christ, I really wish ilx wasn't so white and male these days.

It always has been!

At least there are a number of good articles being written about this incident and what it means about race and gender and rage.

most of them written by people who "don't follow tennis"

well, most of the ppl who follow tennis "don't follow racism" either

People defending Roz albeit acknowledging bias is still NAGL.
"Technically he didn't do anything against the rules." <---shuddup teacher's pet

Well at least we have some men like James Blake backing her up because you know, listening to Serena say these things doesn't matter.

OTM m bison. Disproportionate enforcement of rules against discriminated-against populations (and ex post facto rationalization of that enforcement) is deffo the issue du jour in public education. And I don't know why it isn't a more prominent issue elsewhere. Whether or not Serena got mad is irrelevant –– she's held to a higher standard of behavior than just about any any other athlete. I don't know how anybody can see this as other than a microcosm for racial politics all across the U.S.

The point is he is Portuguese, he lives in Portugal not the USA, and yes, calling the cops on a black person because you fear for your life might well happen in Portugal, but we don't know that it does.

― Scottish Country Tweerking (Tom D.), Sunday, September 9, 2018 1:51 PM (twenty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

not sure what the US has to do with anti-blackness of which portugal has a centuries-long history

For some weird reason I thought him being Portuguese was brought up as a callback to Irish being white minorities, Ramos not being white, or some type of whimsical argument.

wow @ Yerac comparing Ramos to George Zimmerman

xpost Yeah, wasn't there a study done recently on confirmation bias in schools. They tracked the teachers' eyes and they fell on black kids more often. Expecting them to make trouble and watching to catch any type of infraction.

not sure what the US has to do with anti-blackness of which portugal has a centuries-long history

I agree but then you end up with...

I don't know how anybody can see this as other than a microcosm for racial politics all across the U.S.

xpost I was comparing the argument, which I thought was implying that Ramos couldn't have biases against black people because he wasn't white or something. I kind of didn't really get why him being Portuguese was brought up at all.

Is the racial politics of Portugal the same as the racial politics of the USA? I don't know tbh.

Let's ask Madonna.

tilted against darker-skinned people? colorism's pretty much global.

(xpost to yerac): yep

No-one's saying it isn't.

youd almost miss deejs piercing subtlety tbfh

I don't have a strong opinion on this because I don't follow tennis closely, so I may be missing some nuance, but appeals to the rules (the law) sound extremely weak. The way rules are enforced is the key, and if you don't get that, you are probably not helping. The rules should always be questioned if they are leading to bad results.

so in this case, it means "the rules should be questioned if top player x is not getting what they want"

really, the elite players are getting away with so much shit (not just serena obv, but also rafa, hobak etc) that any correct application of the rules against them is welcome imho. these players use their status to intimidate umpires all the time.

the women's doubles final was p. great

rly id question the motivations of anyone that defended someone worth $180m verbally assaulting (in fact, calling them 'a thief') an official presumably on not much more than an average kinda salary.

on national television.

for not bending the rules to suit their exceptionalism.

maybe everyone should give us their net worth and annual income and we'll use that to judge how this plays out idk

ok look ill go

savings c. 5k euro
salary c. 53k euro but after deductions and savings prob idk 29k?
decent pension tbf
no house
no car
rent/bills 900k a month

or was the main point that all portuguese ppl are racist again idk

I legit can’t tell when you’re trolling. I don’t see money as a relavent factor in this argument — and I actually think that the insinuation that Serena’s wealth somehow inoculates her against bias is a weird dodge.

How in the world can anyone argue that she has not been on the receiving end of a disproportionate amount of scrutiny lately?

i legit cant tell when anyone is trolling soda. but if the assertion is that only one side of this discussion can so simply dismiss the other without recourse to much more than their personal characteristics then lets clear a table and lets talk no war but a class war and all that

xp idk, i wasnt arguing that, i said what was in my post above.

i mean i get that the agenda is to make this about more than the application of the rules to a sporting event but youre begging an enormous question in even stating that, because its rather a core issue in whether someone can take a position of "wait isnt this a clear case of taking the piss a bit from serena" without being guilty of trolling or yknow "europeans are racist"

Fair point - sorry to read you uncharitably.

I feel bad for naomi osaka

well she's young, it's still possible she'll win several more majors and her talent can become a symbol for the political views, applause gifs and hopes and dreams of the world

idg why 'coaching' is illegal -- what, exactly, is mourataglou telling serena (with hand signals!) that she doesn't already know?

is it really the umpire's job to survey the crowd looking for coaching? maybe the official coaches, at least, should be required to sit in a press box where they can't be easily seen, if this is such a terrible transgression

― mookieproof, Sunday, 9 September 2018 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I mean coaching (or more accurately tactical advice) can help right? The umpire can easily tell when a player is looking at the box and whether they are exchanging looks or something more. I do want this to remain illegal -- you want the player to figure out his opponent, ideally -- although I am not particularly fussed.

FernandoHierro is here -- upping the ilx white and male quote where will it end.

location?

also v disappointed u of all ppl dont want asset wealth taken into account ffs

I mean there really isn't much to discuss here. I just like taking jabs at people in authority who are at best overzealous/unchill. This case is pretty clear cut in the sense that going for a "coaching" warning was a dumb thing to do during a championship game and it was dumb to take away a game without warning etc.. It was dumb for Serena to smash her racquet etc.

I mean discussing bias was/is interesting. It can cover sex, gender, race, wealth entitlement, unconscious bias.

Del Potro has just been broken in the 1st set :-(

Djoko on his way: 6-3

key moments: delpo 15-30

Huge game, adv Delpo.

Holds, but he needs to put some pressure back..

Another BP for Delpo, Novak has the answers tonight..

Breaks :-(

god I hate this.

Djokovic Gets Into Argument With Same Umpire Carlos Ramos at French Open, multiple violations did not result in docked point or game. https://t.co/qkZv2SNE7O
— Has The Umpire Been Fired Yet? (@AgentTinsley) September 9, 2018
a thread of ramos' recent history with players
― 21st savagery fox (m bison), Sunday, September

1) “you’re losing your mind” is not remotely in the same league as “you’re a thief” and “you’ll never work one of my matches again in your life.” get real man
2) the video said he was assessed a warning, so if he had already been assessed a warning for coaching and a pint for racquet abuse....

Delpo really ripping a couple of FHs..

30-30 on Djoko's serve..

1st BP and he needs to somehow take it..

fucking hell long.

got it at the 2nd, come on!!

youd almost miss deejs piercing subtlety tbfh

― lee guacamole (darraghmac), Sunday, September 9, 2018 3:29 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Per

deej, for all his faults, is a genuinely thoughtful person

4-3, Delpo finally in the match. Its a tough level to keep up tho'.

down the line screamer from Delpo for one more bp!

on deuce..it's becoming epic.

another screamer, one more bp!!

long!!

This...goes on...another deuce

jesus lord, nearly 20 min game here. another bp saved.

Djoko holds a 20 min game...he went up to the umpire to ask about the ball change and engaged Del Potro in that...interesting, is all I'll say.

Fairly easy hold Delpo: 5-4

getting a sinking feeling about the tie-break

4-4, my heart can't take this

FH error from Delpo, 2 serves for the 2nd Djoko

2 SPs Djoko :-(

yup, I was right

he had what 7 BPs in that epic game? god fuck this.

He "only" had 3 BPs in that game (8 deuces). 95min, 99pts, what an insane set of tennis. Oh well, it's bed for me. Hope I wake up to an extraordinary story.

alas. Not sure why Del Potro played in a Brazil shirt anyway.