US Politics December 2018: ~very legal and very cool~

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apparently someone died?

gbx, Saturday, 1 December 2018 19:18 (six years ago)

not the right one.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 1 December 2018 19:19 (six years ago)

not the right quantity

21st savagery fox (m bison), Saturday, 1 December 2018 19:24 (six years ago)

all the new memes are tedious and unfunny we need someone bad to die

— Brandy Jensen (@BrandyLJensen) November 27, 2018

resident hack (Simon H.), Saturday, 1 December 2018 19:25 (six years ago)

very legal

and very cool

Karl Malone, Saturday, 1 December 2018 19:27 (six years ago)

This got a hair lost last night in the wake of Bush's passing, but turns out Cohen wasn't done yet:

BREAKING / NBC NEWS: Michael Cohen's attorneys have told a judge tonight that their client is cooperating in an ongoing federal investigation in New York and he has met with the New York AG's office about their suit against the Trump Foundation and the President.

— Tom Winter (@Tom_Winter) December 1, 2018

FRIDAY NIGHT NEWS DUMP:

Michael Cohen's legal team just released his 33-page sentencing submission seeking a time served sentence for "voluntarily" cooperating with the Mueller probe. There are 37 exhibits.

Here's a snippet from the memo. pic.twitter.com/d4TVEUz6YV

— Adam Klasfeld (@KlasfeldReports) December 1, 2018

More on what that all means:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/cohen-trump-knew-i-called-kremlin-for-help-with-trump-tower-moscow

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 1 December 2018 19:32 (six years ago)

Also one of several pieces on the fairly obvious re Nunes' culpability and resultant unintended consequences. Though it slightly underscores that this may be a long month:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/11/michael-cohen-lying-to-congress-plea-deal-devin-nunes.html

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 1 December 2018 19:33 (six years ago)

good thread title

very legal and very cool (k3vin k.), Saturday, 1 December 2018 19:34 (six years ago)

The thread title was a no brainer but the tildes add a little flair, kudos

The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 1 December 2018 20:02 (six years ago)

you know i do what i can

gbx, Saturday, 1 December 2018 20:03 (six years ago)

The North Carolina stuff is *nuts*:

It seems a Republican campaign went to the houses of older Democrats, claimed to be officials, took their absentee ballots and got rid of them. The Republican “won” by 900 votes. It’s 2018. Every major newspaper should be on that story. #NC9

— Neera Tanden (@neeratanden) December 1, 2018

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 1 December 2018 23:42 (six years ago)

xp i’m a huge tilde-as-em dash fan, and through my ilx fandom, i incorporated (mis-incorporated?) it into my personal board correspondence style. first i’ve been aware of the fingerprints but i’m comforted by the idea that i swiped from the best.

but i'ma chud. i'ma weirdo. what the hell am i doing here? (Hunt3r), Sunday, 2 December 2018 04:37 (six years ago)

i guess its less of a dash than an intensifier in many of my applications. still tho.

but i'ma chud. i'ma weirdo. what the hell am i doing here? (Hunt3r), Sunday, 2 December 2018 04:39 (six years ago)

Per these observations, Trump resolved nothing with China aside from no immediate tariff escalation:

Again, unless there's more here than meets the eye, this is hardly the predicted "cave" by Xi begging for mercy for US trade pressure. Not even close. Buying farm goods for tariff time-out is basically status-quo-ante, which is what China wants.

— Patrick Chovanec (@prchovanec) December 2, 2018

Cannot be emphasized enough: this is not a deal and it is not a resolution. This is an agreement to delay further escalation. Neither side really gave anything except some cotton candy sweeteners. Nothing fundamental. Maybe be happy escalation had been delayed

— Interpol CEO Balding (@BaldingsWorld) December 2, 2018

And now there's this

BREAKING: Trump says he'll be 'formally terminating NAFTA,' says Congress will have choice between replacement or nothing

— The Associated Press (@AP) December 2, 2018

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 2 December 2018 05:15 (six years ago)

his trademark negotiation style: take a hostage

Karl Malone, Sunday, 2 December 2018 05:53 (six years ago)

"Russia is building up its land forces and weapons along the border, Ukraine’s president said Saturday"

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

https://apnews.com/201537791dc8404496eb4d9f5bd4d387

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 2 December 2018 16:59 (six years ago)

very legal & very cool

crispy fun in a bun (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 2 December 2018 17:22 (six years ago)

Got to admit, of all the brazen dickheadedness Russia has been up to, I really don't understand what the endgame in Ukraine is.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 2 December 2018 17:23 (six years ago)

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/seven-reasons-why-russia-wants-keep-ukraine-all-itself-n33391

21st savagery fox (m bison), Sunday, 2 December 2018 17:28 (six years ago)

ok, i understand this is not likely, but can we all agree that there is a NON-ZERO probability, maybe even as high as 0.001%, that one endgame for all of this is Trump being installed as the new President of Ukraine, with the pardoned Manafort as his Chief of Staff

Karl Malone, Sunday, 2 December 2018 17:33 (six years ago)

he would probably love that.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 2 December 2018 17:34 (six years ago)

xpost That article is 4 years old. Do its arguments still stand?

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 2 December 2018 17:35 (six years ago)

Speaking at a Ukrainian military event, President Petro Poroshenko said Russia has deployed “more than 80,000 troops, 1,400 artillery and multiple rocket launch systems, 900 tanks, 2,300 armored combat vehicles, 500 aircraft and 300 helicopters” along their common border.

These numbers, which have not been verified, would account for the vast majority of men and hardware assigned to Russia’s Western Military District.

Karl Malone, Sunday, 2 December 2018 17:41 (six years ago)

Maybe Russia is worried Ukraine might invade?

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 2 December 2018 17:51 (six years ago)

I mean invading Russia in the winter what could go wrong?

The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 2 December 2018 17:58 (six years ago)

Not if Ukraine brings the heat!

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 2 December 2018 17:59 (six years ago)

lock yulia tymoshenko up!

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 2 December 2018 18:01 (six years ago)

xpost That article is 4 years old. Do its arguments still stand?

― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, December 2, 2018 11:35 AM (twenty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

short version: yes
long version: yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

21st savagery fox (m bison), Sunday, 2 December 2018 18:03 (six years ago)

ok, so let's see where all the dumbass statements and stances vs actual policies and actions lead us, from the US side of things

- trump consistently attacks NATO. not just the amount of money NATO members spend on it, but also the idea of NATO itself. he sees it as a transactional thing, and doesn't think the US is getting enough out of its investment
- he also likes to refer to NATO members as "so-called allies", and to argue that they don't care about us, and that they rip us off, etc
- beyond all the bluster and the stupidity of his tweets, the US has actually increased funding and support for NATO
- he blames the last russian annexation of Crimea on Obama. not putin for doing it, but obama for "letting it happen"
- putin seems to own him

???

Karl Malone, Sunday, 2 December 2018 18:04 (six years ago)

It sounds like our president is an idiot.

Newsted joins this band and quickly he’s subdued (Leee), Sunday, 2 December 2018 18:08 (six years ago)

i think it's this mess of contradictions that leads me to the 0.003% scenario where putin fully invades ukraine, trump issues some weirdass tweet/ "press statement" saying that the US refuses to help NATO, the entire world yells at trump, confusion ensues, and then there's iconic CNN footage of trump trying taking off on a private plane toward russia and everyone's just like "fuck it, let him leave"

Karl Malone, Sunday, 2 December 2018 18:16 (six years ago)

Trump's constant flak aimed at NATO is probably just playing to his know-nothing base, the same who lapped up the birther nonsense. Such people probably think of NATO countries as filled with uppity wine-drinking snobs who laugh at rural America and should be taken down several pegs, because we are the greatest nation on earth and they are a bunch of has-beens who be speaking Russian if we hadn't saved them.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 2 December 2018 18:20 (six years ago)

It sounds like our president is an idiot.

― Newsted joins this band and quickly he’s subdued (Leee), Sunday, December 2, 2018 12:08 PM (seventeen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah otm have to admit I'm starting to have some concerns about Trump

The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 2 December 2018 18:26 (six years ago)

of course it plays well the base, all you have to do is go "europeans are like THIS!" and do the 'hold your pinky up while you drink tea' gesture. but trump has been consistently attacking "allies" for decades now, since the mid-80s at least. whoever is a putative ally is also a competitor in his mind, because he sees international trade as a contest, and you trade with your allies

Karl Malone, Sunday, 2 December 2018 18:27 (six years ago)

it's like

https://i.imgur.com/NtWm2lX.jpg
LET'S RUN THE GOVERNMENT LIKE A BUSINESS!

only if you didn't know how businesses are run

Karl Malone, Sunday, 2 December 2018 18:28 (six years ago)

Having just returned from a trip to Oslo, I gotta say the absolute worst thing about traveling is having to come back to America when you're done.

grawlix (unperson), Sunday, 2 December 2018 21:41 (six years ago)

yeah i just finished watching all of the swedish 'girl w/ dragon tattoo' and i feel the same way

j., Monday, 3 December 2018 00:11 (six years ago)

we need to make america great again guys

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 3 December 2018 01:01 (six years ago)

are there any tax returns you'd suggest looking at in order to make that happen

j., Monday, 3 December 2018 01:12 (six years ago)

Aimless otm; he wouldn't give a shit about NATO one way or the other if it weren't a MAGAnaut rally applause line.

Brian Oenophile (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 3 December 2018 01:25 (six years ago)

Actually not sure. The Black Helicopter crowd is obviously part of his base. But obviously there's reason to believe something else is up too.

fajita seas, Monday, 3 December 2018 01:29 (six years ago)

idk -- he does seem to resent money being spent on things, like nato, that don't immediately enrich him personally, and he clearly has no broader grasp of geopolitics or long-term strategy in general. i think he'd be against nato even if it weren't an applause line

mookieproof, Monday, 3 December 2018 01:35 (six years ago)

any money not spent by the *job creators* (peace be unto them) is an affront to jesus

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 3 December 2018 01:38 (six years ago)

Got to admit, of all the brazen dickheadedness Russia has been up to, I really don't understand what the endgame in Ukraine is.

Not all of those reasons still hold up but the idea that Russia wants to maintain a sphere of influence and not be surrounded to the West by NATO does, as does the broader idea that they have an obligation to protect Russians and Russian-speakers within Ukraine. Another major factor is that it is a relatively popular distraction from domestic issues (primarily the increase in pension age, which has seen Putin’s approval rating dip significantly).

It’s worth noting that Poroshenko is playing the same game, though. There isn’t any evidence Russia is particularly up to anything new - over and above the incident in the Kerch Straight - and Poroshenko’s implementation of martial law, the ban on Russian nationals entering Ukraine, hyping up the threat of ground invasion, etc, has much more to do with the fact that an election campaign kicks off this month and he is currently polling 8%. The original martial law proposal would have run for twice as long and potentially delayed the election - but it was rejected by members of his own coalition.

ShariVari, Monday, 3 December 2018 01:44 (six years ago)

8% is pretty rough

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Monday, 3 December 2018 02:13 (six years ago)

Remembering the murder of 4 US churchwomen in El Salvador, 12/2 1980. And what US officials said: UN Amb. Jean Kirkpatrick: “The nuns were not just nuns, [they] were also political activists on behalf of the Frente. We ought to be more clear-cut about this than we usually are.” pic.twitter.com/CCEWFmloKV

— Robert Ellsberg (@RobertEllsberg) December 2, 2018

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Monday, 3 December 2018 07:21 (six years ago)

“I think that there are a lot of reasons people became Trump voters,” said Springsteen to the Sunday Times Magazine of London. “You had severe blows to working people in the 1970s and 1980s as all the steel mills shut down. Then you had an explosion of information technology. These are life-changing, upsetting occurrences.”

So far, a second term for Trump looks likely to Springsteen. “I don’t see anyone out there at the moment,” said Springsteen of the 2020 election. “The man who can beat Trump, or the woman who can beat Trump. You need someone who can speak some of the same language (as Trump) and the Democrats don’t have an obvious, effective presidential candidate.”

https://www.app.com/story/entertainment/music/2018/12/03/bruce-springsteen-donald-trump-voters-feel-your-pain/2189165002/

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 December 2018 15:05 (six years ago)

he's running

Freda VanFleet (symsymsym), Monday, 3 December 2018 15:18 (six years ago)

prefer him to Harris or Booker

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 December 2018 15:19 (six years ago)

still feel like Hillary was the one person Trump could've conceivably beaten, given her sky-high negatives and the fact that she's been a GOP villain for over two decades. and even then he still got 3 million less votes.

frogbs, Monday, 3 December 2018 15:24 (six years ago)

i'd take president springsteen tbh, if only to watch chris christie's reaction

We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 3 December 2018 15:30 (six years ago)

Max Weinberg

Karl Malone, Monday, 3 December 2018 16:07 (six years ago)

feelin' extremely not guilty this morning

“Michael Cohen asks judge for no Prison Time.” You mean he can do all of the TERRIBLE, unrelated to Trump, things having to do with fraud, big loans, Taxis, etc., and not serve a long prison term? He makes up stories to get a GREAT & ALREADY reduced deal for himself, and get.....

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 3, 2018

....his wife and father-in-law (who has the money?) off Scott Free. He lied for this outcome and should, in my opinion, serve a full and complete sentence.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 3, 2018

“I will never testify against Trump.” This statement was recently made by Roger Stone, essentially stating that he will not be forced by a rogue and out of control prosecutor to make up lies and stories about “President Trump.” Nice to know that some people still have “guts!”

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 3, 2018

Bob Mueller (who is a much different man than people think) and his out of control band of Angry Democrats, don’t want the truth, they only want lies. The truth is very bad for their mission!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 3, 2018

frogbs, Monday, 3 December 2018 16:08 (six years ago)

(scrolls by without reading)

sleeve, Monday, 3 December 2018 16:09 (six years ago)

You mean he can do all of the TERRIBLE, unrelated to Trump, things having to do with fraud, big loans, Taxis, etc., and not serve a long prison term?

man this cohen guy sure is shady, good thing he kept his nose meticulously clean when working for me, famously law-abiding friend of the mob donald j trump

We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 3 December 2018 16:13 (six years ago)

I like that he's now using quotes like on a restaurant menu board.

Nice to know that some people still have “guts!”

Try Our Pies They're "Great!"

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 3 December 2018 16:16 (six years ago)

I like the paranthesis where he admits that his yearlong demonization of Mueller has basically not worked. Lol.

Frederik B, Monday, 3 December 2018 16:18 (six years ago)

xpost lol, was thinking that exact thing.

all lite up and very romatic (Old Lunch), Monday, 3 December 2018 16:19 (six years ago)

(scrolls by without reading)

― sleeve, Monday, December 3, 2018 9:09 AM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Monday, 3 December 2018 16:20 (six years ago)

Isn't there a 'flop sweat' emoji that he can liberally sprinkle throughout his tweets? I mean, I guess it's redundant since it's right there in the words he's typing, but still.

all lite up and very romatic (Old Lunch), Monday, 3 December 2018 16:20 (six years ago)

You mean he can do all of the TERRIBLE, unrelated to Trump, things having to do with fraud, big loans, Taxis, etc., and not serve a long prison term?

man this cohen guy sure is shady, good thing he kept his nose meticulously clean when working for me, famously law-abiding friend of the mob donald j trump

also national deputy finance chairman of the RNC lol

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 3 December 2018 16:30 (six years ago)

putting "President Trump" in air quotes is pretty hilarious though

frogbs, Monday, 3 December 2018 16:30 (six years ago)

Didn't even notice that little Freudian slip.

all lite up and very romatic (Old Lunch), Monday, 3 December 2018 16:32 (six years ago)

does that mean Scott Free is the real president?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 December 2018 16:41 (six years ago)

Lol @ president springsteen. He would probably crush trump.

Trϵϵship, Monday, 3 December 2018 16:43 (six years ago)

if trump is scott free, that would explain how he keeps getting out of impossible situations

https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fthecomicbookaddicts.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F01%2FMister-Miracle-1.jpg&f=1

We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 3 December 2018 16:43 (six years ago)

haha was just thinking of "Scott Free and the Angry Democrats" as a band name

Scape: Goat-fired like a dog! (Myonga Vön Bontee), Monday, 3 December 2018 16:45 (six years ago)

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/kellyanne-conways-husband-accuses-trump-of-witness-tampering/

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 December 2018 17:30 (six years ago)

Their hatefucking must be awesome.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 December 2018 17:30 (six years ago)

best not to think about it

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 December 2018 17:33 (six years ago)

U.S. spent 716 Billion Dollars this year. Crazy.

pres otm

(•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 3 December 2018 17:33 (six years ago)

wonder who approved that budget

frogbs, Monday, 3 December 2018 17:36 (six years ago)

Rumors flying that Congress set to pass Israel Anti-Boycott Act - designed to punish/prevent differentiation b/w Israel & settlements by quashing free speech.

Likely will also move on Orwellian-named Anti-Semitism Awareness act.

This thread reviews the issues with both.

1/

— Lara Friedman🔥 (@LaraFriedmanDC) December 3, 2018

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 3 December 2018 17:40 (six years ago)

haven't Republicans done enough to raise awareness of anti-semitism this year?

rob, Monday, 3 December 2018 17:57 (six years ago)

Mueller filed an indictment just as the President left for https://t.co/8ZNrQ6X29a July he indicted the Russians who will never come here just before he left for Helsinki.Either could have been done earlier or later. Out of control!Supervision please?

— Rudy Giuliani (@RudyGiuliani) November 30, 2018

follow the (inadvertent) link

frogbs, Monday, 3 December 2018 19:10 (six years ago)

lol, nice work internet

We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 3 December 2018 19:11 (six years ago)

lol

WmC, Monday, 3 December 2018 19:11 (six years ago)

bhahahaha

Οὖτις, Monday, 3 December 2018 20:20 (six years ago)

Links is tweets hold the same weight in court as a sworn affidavit, right?

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Monday, 3 December 2018 20:33 (six years ago)

online rules

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 3 December 2018 21:00 (six years ago)

Pay attention to Wisconsin, where the gerrymandered legislative majority is doing its level best to claw away the power of the Democratic governor Wisconsinites just elected

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2018/12/03/5-senators-spotlight-opponents-try-stop-lame-duck-bill/2189439002/

Guayaquil (eephus!), Monday, 3 December 2018 21:03 (six years ago)

Guiuliani's not a well man.

Kimim ° has f

— Rudy Giuliani (@RudyGiuliani) November 30, 2018

Ned Trifle X, Monday, 3 December 2018 22:29 (six years ago)

TBF he's better at typing than me. I don't know how to that little degree symbol.

Ned Trifle X, Monday, 3 December 2018 22:31 (six years ago)

I was about to write something about "butt tweeting" but then I realized that it's Rudy Giuliani's butt we'd have been talking about. So I didn't?

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 3 December 2018 22:32 (six years ago)

i guess he doesn't delete tweets?

Trϵϵship, Monday, 3 December 2018 22:32 (six years ago)

press and hold the zero to get the degrees symbol.

brotherlovesdub, Monday, 3 December 2018 22:32 (six years ago)

First rule of domination is to never apologize

Karl Malone, Monday, 3 December 2018 22:35 (six years ago)

No worries, the white supremacist organization that tweet was directed at knows exactly what it means.

all lite up and very romatic (Old Lunch), Monday, 3 December 2018 22:36 (six years ago)

We have covfefe.

The Greta Van Gerwig (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 3 December 2018 22:45 (six years ago)

this is one of the better US Politics thread titles, just wanna say

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Monday, 3 December 2018 22:54 (six years ago)

Double-LOL in here:

The exact moment when Canada's Prime Minister referred to President Trump as "Donald" in public - something he reportedly hates.

Then, his reaction. pic.twitter.com/ajg32OUyfu

— Muhammad Lila (@MuhammadLila) November 30, 2018

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 3 December 2018 23:12 (six years ago)

The following post is really funny, too

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 3 December 2018 23:12 (six years ago)

has somebody veep'd that yet?

i think the most veep-able moment of his presidency so far came when he stranded the argentine president on the podium. i guess people have stopped veep-ing as his presidency has gotten less and less funny.

galaxy brian (voodoo chili), Monday, 3 December 2018 23:17 (six years ago)

tfw your mind is too occupied with the work you and jfk jr are doing behind the scenes to expose a paedophile ring among the international elite to focus on signing your name properly

We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 3 December 2018 23:17 (six years ago)

The follow up to that last tweet is even better:

There's more. There were three copies of the new NAFTA deal to sign. During the signing ceremony, President Trump appears to sign in the wrong place on one of them.

This is the exact moment everyone realized, individually with their reactions, including Prime Minister Trudeau. pic.twitter.com/Wd3CEtV73D

— Muhammad Lila (@MuhammadLila) December 3, 2018

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 00:27 (six years ago)

Strong story here about why this week looks like it'll be a truly big one.

The Manafort memo on Friday "will be public," Mueller's office tells me, indicating prosecutors will detail for all to read what prosecutors believe the ex-Trump campaign chair lied about. Should be interesting reading. https://t.co/dDQhgDJlh3

— Michael Isikoff (@Isikoff) December 3, 2018

Useful Marcy Wheeler thread on tomorrow's Flynn sentencing

As a strong proponent of the "Bob Mueller makes the most out of his court filings" school, I want to warn that we MIGHT NOT get a lot of juice in Mike Flynn's memo.

I say that for two reasons.

— emptywheel (@emptywheel) December 3, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 01:17 (six years ago)

i think michael cohen is a fascinating figure

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 02:56 (six years ago)

it's rare to see someone do this kind of 180. also, it seems like he was being really careful to document the semi-legal stuff he's been doing for trump for years, as if he expected he would need information to protect himself from getting thrown under the bus by trump. seems smart... and yet he spent his career as trump's thuggish "fixer"

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 02:58 (six years ago)

the only 'fascinating' thing about him is that he got caught

don't get all starry-eyed treeshy

mookieproof, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 03:06 (six years ago)

it's rare to see someone do this kind of 180. also, it seems like he was being really careful to document the semi-legal stuff he's been doing for trump for years, as if he expected he would need information to protect himself from getting thrown under the bus by trump. seems smart... and yet he spent his career as trump's thuggish "fixer"

― Trϵϵship,

what an awful thing to say about Trudeau

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 03:07 (six years ago)

It's intersting that one of the Trump toadies I always found the most deeply unlikable flipped so radically but I don't know that I'd call him fascinating. Particularly since it seems like the result of his dad doing some late-stage parenting he really should've undertaken decades earlier.

all lite up and very romatic (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 03:11 (six years ago)

So...there's a rumor going around that that video of Trump walking away from the president of Argentina, grimacing and muttering "Get me out of here," is in fact footage of Trump literally shitting himself in public.

As people used to say, I WANT TO BELIEVE.

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 03:13 (six years ago)

so theres a piss tape and a shit tape

21st savagery fox (m bison), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 03:14 (six years ago)

you can never be too careful

"Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko responded by introducing martial law for 30 days in much of Ukraine. For the duration of martial law, Ukrainian authorities barred entry to all Russian males aged 16 to 60 in a move the Ukrainian leader said was needed to prevent Russia from further destabilizing the country."

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/ukraine-calls-reservists-amid-tensions-russia-59570234

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 03:19 (six years ago)

It's intersting that one of the Trump toadies I always found the most deeply unlikable flipped so radically

― all lite up and very romatic (Old Lunch), Monday, December 3, 2018 10:11 PM (seventeen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah for sure. remember his threats to the daily beast? he was a true ghoul

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 03:30 (six years ago)

he's only fascinating as like a character in a story. not saying i am going to become pen pals with michael cohen.

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 03:31 (six years ago)

You totally should, though. He's gonna need some where he's going.

all lite up and very romatic (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 03:33 (six years ago)

summer camp?

21st savagery fox (m bison), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 03:35 (six years ago)

https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1400/1*o6dNQkHFQKj-4y04LfAHww.jpeg

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 04:28 (six years ago)

Some of these people look so unwell I wonder how they stay alive.

all lite up and very romatic (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 04:38 (six years ago)

new board description

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 04:43 (six years ago)

they say I walk around
Like I got an S on my chest

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 04:47 (six years ago)

If you ever wondered what Henry Winkler looked like pulling a Jeffrey Tambor face...

From Damage Inc. to Metallica Inc. (Leee), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 06:52 (six years ago)

So President DumDum will be at the Bush funeral, right? I assume he'll be seated with former presidents, like Obama and W and Bill (who will be there with Hillary)? Will this be the first time they've been in the same orbit since his election? Will they shun him? Tell him to fuck himself? Shake his hand? Move seats?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 14:41 (six years ago)

“You can’t sit with us.”

suzy, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 14:52 (six years ago)

'Hello, DONALD. How are you, DONALD? Very good to see you, DONALD.'

Mom's out working, for fulfillment (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 14:56 (six years ago)

they'll be perfectly civil to him, because civility is more important than anything else in politics iirc

We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 14:58 (six years ago)

@nbcwashington
Out of respect for the 41st president of the United States, @USPS will suspend regular mail deliveries on Wednesday, Dec. 5

weird

mookieproof, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 15:56 (six years ago)

Gonna screw over Amazon and lying Washington Post any way they can ;-)

BlackIronPrison, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 15:59 (six years ago)

Uh...wut?

Is this a thing they've done in the past?

Mom's out working, for fulfillment (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 16:00 (six years ago)

I was just at the PO and can confirm. Guess it's another manifestation of the Reagan-Bush contempt for the federal guv'mint.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 16:03 (six years ago)

are the postal workers getting paid for their impromptu day off?

We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 16:03 (six years ago)

I'm sure like late payment fees etc. will be happily waived on account of Bush funeral mail delays. This should work out fine for everyone.

Mom's out working, for fulfillment (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 16:04 (six years ago)

it's rare to see someone do this kind of 180. also, it seems like he was being really careful to document the semi-legal stuff he's been doing for trump for years, as if he expected he would need information to protect himself from getting thrown under the bus by trump. seems smart... and yet he spent his career as trump's thuggish "fixer"

― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, December 4, 2018 2:58 AM (thirteen hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what's funny to me is if trump treated cohen with a little bit more than utter contempt and actually repaid his 'loyalty' he wouldn't be in this mess

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 16:13 (six years ago)

Yes, as amply demonstrated, Trump creates 99.9% of his own problems.

Mom's out working, for fulfillment (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 16:20 (six years ago)

I'm sure like late payment fees etc. will be happily waived on account of Bush funeral mail delays. This should work out fine for everyone.

― Mom's out working, for fulfillment (Old Lunch), Tuesday, December 4, 2018 4:04 PM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

for real, an unscheduled total shutdown of the USPS is probably going to srsly fuck some people. and for what.

circa1916, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 16:26 (six years ago)

Well, it'll probably just be poor people who don't pay for stuff online like us normals, NBD.

Mom's out working, for fulfillment (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 16:28 (six years ago)

GERRY FORD DIDN'T GET NO POSTAL SHUTDOWN

The Greta Van Gerwig (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 16:29 (six years ago)

He got his airport draped in black bunting and a ceremonial fly-over though.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 16:31 (six years ago)

God, I'm just imagining so many needlessly tragic incidents where people living on a razor's edge didn't think to check the USPS Twitter feed before they send out their bills or while they're waiting for some payment or medication they desperately need. Fuck this shit.

Mom's out working, for fulfillment (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 16:31 (six years ago)

If the postal service can assure me that no one will be evicted or go a day without insulin because they shut down, cool, go for it. Otherwise, go die.

Mom's out working, for fulfillment (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 16:33 (six years ago)

https://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/intelligencer/2018/12/03/03-george-bush-donald-trump.w700.h700.jpg

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 16:34 (six years ago)

well since you can't think about GHWB without thinking about the post office this seems entirely appropriate

President Keyes, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 16:37 (six years ago)

XP GONNA TEAR DC UP

The Greta Van Gerwig (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 16:39 (six years ago)

imagine what Bar and Marla Maples talked about over wine

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 16:41 (six years ago)

how delicious poor people are?

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 16:47 (six years ago)

also grocery checkout scanners will be shut off

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 16:51 (six years ago)

how delicious poor people are?

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, December 4, 2018 11:47 AM

too many bones iirc

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 16:52 (six years ago)

the tattoos make the skin taste weird

President Keyes, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 16:55 (six years ago)

Problems, problems.

BREAKING: House GOP campaign arm @NRCC suffered major hack during heat of 2018 midterm election. w/@BresPolitico https://t.co/HceWShPwmu

— Alex Isenstadt (@politicoalex) December 4, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:02 (six years ago)

I'm absolutely certain none of them will accuse the dems of being involved. No chance of that whatsoever.

Mom's out working, for fulfillment (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:05 (six years ago)

Allegedly they think it's a 'foreign entity.' Mm.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:12 (six years ago)

Meantime, I know you were all waiting with bated breath.

Please see my statement below regarding 2020. pic.twitter.com/ztCfZUY6hA

— Michael Avenatti (@MichaelAvenatti) December 4, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:13 (six years ago)

NONONONONONO THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING NOOOOOOOO

Mom's out working, for fulfillment (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:14 (six years ago)

RIP our Joe the Plumber

Mom's out working, for fulfillment (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:14 (six years ago)

clearing the way for ORNALDO BLOOMPS

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:15 (six years ago)

I'll vote for anyone who can take down that elephant thing tbh.

Mom's out working, for fulfillment (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:16 (six years ago)

I thought Stormy Daniels was already saying that Avenatti had mis-represented her in a couple of court filings. So I assumed that she was no longer hiring him.

Would he have stood any chance in becoming the nominee?

Stevolende, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:19 (six years ago)

no

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:20 (six years ago)

I Avenatti clue

Evan, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:23 (six years ago)

Good:

The incoming House majority leader said Democrats might refuse to seat a North Carolina Republican next year unless and until “substantial” questions about the integrity of his election are resolved.

Rep. Steny H. Hoyer (D-Md.), the current minority whip, made the comments to reporters Tuesday as North Carolina election officials investigate whether an operative hired by Republican candidate Mark Harris illegally collected incomplete ballots from voters.

The probe has delayed the certification of Harris’s narrow victory in North Carolina’s 9th Congressional District, and the state officials could decide to call for a new election. Harris and Democrat Dan McCready are separated by 905 votes, according to unofficial returns.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:25 (six years ago)

we are basta point of no return

frogbs, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:25 (six years ago)

2020 dystopian grudge match imagination scenario:

SCHUMER V AVENATTI, if you absolutely had to choose, who would you vote for??

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:28 (six years ago)

Schumer

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:29 (six years ago)

in a heartbeat

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:29 (six years ago)

Amazing how much controversy basta bro cooked up within a few months of becoming famous. There is only one other man I can think of that rivals him in this department.

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:29 (six years ago)

YOU LIFE BURNS FASTER
OBEY YOUR...
BASTA. BASTA.

The Greta Van Gerwig (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:29 (six years ago)

Palin beats him in that regard

President Keyes, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:30 (six years ago)

I wonder if we’ll ever learn what the hell happened with the domestic violence incident

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:32 (six years ago)

All other shit about Trump aside, may we never ever gift another person with the presidency as their first elected position in government. Fuck that noise.

Mom's out working, for fulfillment (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:32 (six years ago)

You mean #basta to that noice

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:34 (six years ago)

Trump warned China "I'm a tariff man"

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:35 (six years ago)

At least now they know who they're dealing with.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:36 (six years ago)

There was one good moment in the woodward book, which you lot yelled at me for reading, in which trump was apopleptic in some meeting with Gary Cohn and he scrawls “trade is bad” on a piece of paper

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:36 (six years ago)

was it in crayon

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:38 (six years ago)

Sharpie yo

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:40 (six years ago)

Thumb dipped in taco bowl grease.

Mom's out working, for fulfillment (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:41 (six years ago)

im just mad this jagoff ruined 'basta' for me

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:43 (six years ago)

if you spell it without the "#" nobody will even think about it

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:45 (six years ago)

Trump's like Gordon Gekko after he stuck his head under a lawnmower

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 17:45 (six years ago)

Today we're going to find out what kind of sentence special counsel Robert Mueller's office thinks former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn should get for lying to the FBI. While we wait, a thread on how we got here and what to look out for:

— Zoe Tillman (@ZoeTillman) December 4, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 18:14 (six years ago)

It is interesting that within the scope of this investigation the primary national security advisor to the president, who accepted money from a foreign government to act on its behalf and did not disclose it, is among the 'small fish' who'll be let off easy in order to catch bigger fish.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 18:44 (six years ago)

There's lots to this Democratic campaign finance reform strategy, but the most important part is that donations under 50 would be matched 6 to 1 with public money — eg, if you gave https://twitter.com/schwarz/status/10696762090370375695 to Barbara Lee her campaign would get 75 total https://t.co/A8bgDdiOhE by @akela_lacy

— Jon Schwarz (@schwarz) December 3, 2018

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 18:49 (six years ago)

Amazing how much controversy basta bro cooked up within a few months of becoming famous. There is only one other man I can think of that rivals him in this department.

― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, December 4, 2018 12:29 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

6ix9ine

galaxy brian (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 19:08 (six years ago)

Obviously that was who I was thinking of

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 19:19 (six years ago)

7 of 9 was actually a lady borg.

ian, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 19:22 (six years ago)

I'm sorry I keep saying this but I really implore you to pay attention to and talk about with your non-Midwestern the foul package the Wisconsin legislature is trying to pass today; they lost the governor's race, the attorney general race, and the statewide popular assembly vote race, but hold a legislative majority thanks to gerrymandered district lines and plan to use it to block the campaign promises the new governor ran on and that Wisconsin voted for. Focusing on the marquee national races and ignoring state legislatures is how we got into this mess.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2018/12/03/5-senators-spotlight-opponents-try-stop-lame-duck-bill/2189439002/

Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 19:43 (six years ago)

I'm happy it's gotten some topline national attention too.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 19:45 (six years ago)

I have a family member in the state senate up there in WI that I’m pretty sure is supporting that crap. Shameful crybabies.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 19:56 (six years ago)

absolutely delighted to report that it isn't just the USPS that's shutting down tomorrow, it's most of the fed. which means, in my case, that the people that are supposed to be getting my employment package sorted out for a monday start date will be downing tools, and that there's a chance I'll have to wait another month to begin my new job. anyway fuck george bush

gbx, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 19:58 (six years ago)

Man, it's like a GOP dream come true to fuck the day up for an entire country without even having to be alive to do it.

Mom's out working, for fulfillment (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:09 (six years ago)

Meantime, remember this guy?

Steve Bannon will no longer be speaking at a UM, the latest event to be cancelled after the announcement he would be a keynote speaker at a joint conference on sex robots this month. https://t.co/7mqwD26h9H pic.twitter.com/u2i3iC0V81

— Montana Kaimin (@MontanaKaimin) December 4, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:19 (six years ago)

“join conference on sex robots”

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:21 (six years ago)

*joint

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:21 (six years ago)

Either way, what a terrible world

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:21 (six years ago)

wow the future is so bright I gotta wear shades

sleeve, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:22 (six years ago)

actual lizard person

Number None, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:24 (six years ago)

I assume he's being presented as a tacit argument against sex with humans.

Mom's out working, for fulfillment (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:26 (six years ago)

I don't know, man. We're really missing something if we don't hear out the alt-right position on sex robots.

President Keyes, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:26 (six years ago)

Make Androids Rammable Again

Mom's out working, for fulfillment (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:29 (six years ago)

G is for 'rammable' I guess (probably shouldn't've had that fourth martini at lunch)

Mom's out working, for fulfillment (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:30 (six years ago)

As a Fed, I got the day off tomorrow for National Day of Mourning George H. W. Bush. I shall spend it posting to ILX. I’m sure that’s what Bush would’ve wanted.

Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:54 (six years ago)

it's beginning to look a lot like Christmas

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:59 (six years ago)

I thought they were delaying shutdown due to Bush death

akm, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 20:59 (six years ago)

The agency’s attorneys again asked Messitte for a stay Friday, in the hope that the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit would intervene.

so is this gonna go to the SC?

sleeve, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 21:05 (six years ago)

WHERE THE HELL'S MY FLYNN SENTENCING MEMO?!

WmC, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 21:07 (six years ago)

Note to eager journalists and court-followers:

One of the primary benefits of federal practice with PACER is that you e-file your brief any time you want, up to 11:59 p.m. on the due date if you like living on the edge.

Season your anticipation accordingly.

— ScottFreeHat (@Popehat) December 4, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 21:08 (six years ago)

NOOOOOOOOOOOO

WmC, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 21:08 (six years ago)

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/cia-director-briefs-small-group-senators-saudi-crown/story?id=59598135

From Damage Inc. to Metallica Inc. (Leee), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 21:17 (six years ago)

Lede:

Following a briefing by CIA director Gina Haspel Tuesday on the murder of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi, leading Republican senators told reporters that there was "zero question" that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered the brutal murder.

From Damage Inc. to Metallica Inc. (Leee), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 21:18 (six years ago)

doesn't matter, tbh

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 21:19 (six years ago)

this is exactly the kind of thing "serious" Senators love, the opportunity to do some self-righteous moral grandstanding for the cameras that they know has no hope of affecting any kind of actual outcome, legislative or otherwise

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 21:20 (six years ago)

as a former intellectual property paralegal I've filed like 30 briefs at 11:58 at night and it fucking sucks

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 21:22 (six years ago)

Following a briefing by CIA director Gina Haspel Tuesday on the murder of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi, leading Republican senators told reporters that there was "zero question" that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered the brutal murder.

have these senators heard that MBS completely denies it, though? completely denies! so it will be impossible to ever find out the truth.

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 21:22 (six years ago)

this may come as a shock, but a great deal of what happens in politics and otherwise actually really "doesn't matter" and doesn't make a difference, and is just grandstanding on a major or very minor scale

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 21:24 (six years ago)

and yet we talk about it, because it's a thread for talking about these things, not just the most important events that are the hinges upon which the future turns

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 21:25 (six years ago)

true

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 21:26 (six years ago)

Also: it's 4:25 p.m. EST and almost happy hour

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 21:26 (six years ago)

I, too, love christmas surprises

Hi, today the yield curve inverted. This means the interest rates on longer term bonds are now lower than those on short term bonds ( basically, you make less money on a longer term bet)

Here's an article reassuring you why this isn't a big deal (from November 2006)

— 🏴Captain Nuance 🇵🇸🇮🇷 and 420 others (@bluegrass_red) December 4, 2018


https://t.co/sC0n8F0wAm

— 🏴Captain Nuance 🇵🇸🇮🇷 and 420 others (@bluegrass_red) December 4, 2018


subprime mortgage market starting collapsing 3 months later...https://t.co/oRwGzvnARO

— 🏴Captain Nuance 🇵🇸🇮🇷 and 420 others (@bluegrass_red) December 4, 2018

resident hack (Simon H.), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 21:28 (six years ago)

wait, am i supposed to be concerned that the motley fool was wrong, or am i supposed to believe captain nuance and 420 others

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 21:29 (six years ago)

Yeah, what am I supposed to be concerned about?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 21:31 (six years ago)

He's arguing this may portend another crash and the '06 op-ed was myopic.

resident hack (Simon H.), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 21:33 (six years ago)

I suppose if one predicts a correction and/or crash it will eventually happen, esp. since it hasn't happened for a while, but I suppose that is a more specific warning.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 21:38 (six years ago)

kind of comprehensible explainer

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-12-03/u-s-yield-curve-just-inverted-that-s-huge

i don't think anyone predicting a recession next year is out on a limb at this point

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 21:46 (six years ago)

not quite a canary in the coal mine.. article I read said something like 'a recession has followed within 6-24 months'

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 21:48 (six years ago)

When were folks first talking about an inversion curve? A year ago? A quick google found some predictions Dec. 2017 that the inversion curve could arrive in the next year, and another article from the previous summer that predicted it by the end of that year, 2017. So I suppose people have been seeing this coming for at least a year and a half. And now it's year, and a recession could be another 2 years off. Or sooner. Who knows? It's about time, probably.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 21:54 (six years ago)

not quite a canary in the coal mine.. article I read said something like 'a recession has followed within 6-24 months'

― officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, December 4, 2018 9:48 PM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

pal of mine today said 'so this means we can expect a recession sometime between this year and the heat death of the sun'

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 22:02 (six years ago)

you can bank on it.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 22:11 (six years ago)

Hrm.

NEW: DOJ inspector general's office released a report finding a now-former senior DOJ official sexually assaulted and sexually harassed women working for him — no criminal prosecution, the official retired, he isn't named https://t.co/34C5yg55om pic.twitter.com/Llc5SvVm4W

— Zoe Tillman (@ZoeTillman) December 4, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 22:29 (six years ago)

Stone took the fifth?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 22:54 (six years ago)

Is that pretty much an admission of guilt?

Can't testify because it would be self incrimination?

Stevolende, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 23:02 (six years ago)

An admission of guilt, yes. But, crucially, it is not evidence of guilt.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 23:06 (six years ago)

p sure Mueller has evidence of his guilt at this point

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 23:13 (six years ago)

evidence of guilt doesn't mean it will win in court or even get an indictment

Joe Gargan (dandydonweiner), Tuesday, 4 December 2018 23:18 (six years ago)

YALL LAWYERS HUH

ian, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 23:20 (six years ago)

oh no, the poor staff at weekly standard!!

The fate of The Weekly Standard, the conservative magazine that has staked out a position as a publication on the right still critical of President Donald Trump, is uncertain, Editor-in-Chief Stephen Hayes told staff in a series of phone calls Tuesday, according to two people familiar with the matter.

The magazine's precarious position comes after its leadership spent months searching for a buyer, the people told CNN.

The people explained that The Weekly Standard's leadership had butted heads with MediaDC, the current publisher of the magazine, and that the two parties had agreed to allow Hayes to search for a new owner.

However, MediaDC recently informed The Weekly Standard's leadership that the company was no longer interested in a sale, the people said.

Instead, Ryan McKibben, the chairman of MediaDC, asked to meet with Hayes in a meeting tentatively scheduled for late next week, the people said. McKibben, they said, also requested the entire staff of The Weekly Standard be made available following the meeting.


https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/04/media/weekly-standard-future-uncertain/index.html

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 4 December 2018 23:55 (six years ago)

CNN saying Flynn report within the hour.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 00:15 (six years ago)

They also said Don Jr would be indicted two weeks ago.

ian, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 00:16 (six years ago)

In this case, the report has to come out by the end of the day, so.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 00:17 (six years ago)

Yes, yes, yes.

ian, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 00:18 (six years ago)

why would anything come out now, surely most feds knocked off hours ago for the free day off tomorrow

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 00:26 (six years ago)

Precisely. (Per a tweet I linked above, it can be filed into PACER at any point during the day.)

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 00:40 (six years ago)

So where is this Flynn shit? Is there perhaps a behind the scenes legal challenge to its release?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 01:29 (six years ago)

Filing has arrived!

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 01:32 (six years ago)

Mueller on Flynn: "Given the defendant’s substantial assistance and other considerations set
forth below, a sentence at the low end of the guideline range—including a sentence that does not impose a term of incarceration—is appropriate and warranted."

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 01:34 (six years ago)

Flynn memo drops (for real) as @renato_mariotti and I are recording his podcast. Main memo: 7 pages. Portion about cooperation: 6 pages, heavily redacted.

— ScottFreeHat (@Popehat) December 5, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 01:35 (six years ago)

This fits with what Marcy Wheeler and others were figuring -- not much detail, redaction due to a lot more going on involving others.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 01:35 (six years ago)

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.191592/gov.uscourts.dcd.191592.46.0.pdf

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 01:40 (six years ago)

Does not seem to be redacted?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 01:41 (six years ago)

Oh, I see:

Because the Addendum includes sensitive information about ongoing investigations, the government is seeking to partially seal the Addendum, and has filed publicly a redacted version of the document that excludes the sensitive information.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 01:42 (six years ago)

General detail

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/zoetillman/michael-flynn-robert-mueller-fbi-sentencing-prison

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 01:42 (six years ago)

Redacted addendum:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5425878-Gov-Uscourts-Dcd-191592-46-1-2.html

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 01:47 (six years ago)

Lmao

pomo american flag vibes pic.twitter.com/Ibp2VNlHBJ

— Derek Thompson (@DKThomp) December 5, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 01:53 (six years ago)

Trump's gonna be like "no jail time, see, Flynnocent!"

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 01:56 (six years ago)

Looks like Flynn aided three investigations: REDACTED criminal investigation, the Mueller probe and REDACTED. Even the subject header of the third is redacted in the full document. pic.twitter.com/nvCJKZAFGr

— Philip Bump (@pbump) December 5, 2018

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 02:01 (six years ago)

Oh. Oh my. https://t.co/nn6BBW8jiZ pic.twitter.com/tjcsNdTfgP

— Daniel W. Drezner (@dandrezner) December 5, 2018

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 02:05 (six years ago)

what's the cliff's notes

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 02:24 (six years ago)

"don't lock him up"

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 02:24 (six years ago)

Three separate investigations Flynn helped with, he talked a hell of a lot via 19 meetings, Mueller recommending only probation time = Flynn named a lot of names.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 02:25 (six years ago)

My favorite part of all of this has been ashley feinberg constantly monitoring donald trump jr on twitter but she doesn’t seem to do that as much anymore idk. Something so soothing about hate-watching the hapless sons for a sec, like I’d love to see some flynn jr highlights of late but not enough to actually seek him out on social media.

macropuente (map), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 02:35 (six years ago)

what are the odds--i need numbers--that mueller has found, in looking into all of this stuff, not just to do with "contact with the russians," some crime that trump committed that would people would find legitimately shocking?

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 02:36 (six years ago)

ashley feinberg is an american treasure

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 02:36 (six years ago)

ashley feinberg is an american treasure


otm

gbx, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 02:42 (six years ago)

At this point i feel like proof of trump’s erectile dysfunction would make more of a dent among his supporters than an actual homicide coming to light.

macropuente (map), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 02:44 (six years ago)

If it came out that he was ever with a man (extremely unlikely but you never know) that would take him down for sure.

macropuente (map), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 02:48 (six years ago)

A horse doesn't seem entirely out of the question.

Mom's out working, for fulfillment (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 03:02 (six years ago)

what are the odds--i need numbers--that mueller has found, in looking into all of this stuff, not just to do with "contact with the russians," some crime that trump committed that would people would find legitimately shocking?

― Trϵϵship, Tuesday, December 4, 2018 6:36 PM (twenty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 03:03 (six years ago)

Meanwhile in Wisconsin, nobody knows what the hell is going on; both Assembly and Senate formally in session, I believe, but they are not in the chamber, nobody knows what's being negotiated, apparently a lot of health care industry lobbyists are floating around and there's some speculation that they're telling the GOP there will be hell to pay if they actually pass their bill saying that every single health care policy change has to be approved by the legislature (this is meant to keep evers from rescinding walker's stepped-up bureaucratic obstacles to Medicaid enrollment but like everything else in this hash of a bill it was not prepared with a lot of attention to detail.)

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 03:08 (six years ago)

Original plan was to pass this at about 2am (you can see why!) but we are way behind the posted schedule

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 03:09 (six years ago)

we should do a 'most fucked up state politically' poll

macropuente (map), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 03:13 (six years ago)

I get it now. They're bringing back the coal jobs so they don't run of things that produce black marks for sentencing memo redactions.

BlackIronPrison, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 03:15 (six years ago)

did we get the tax returns?!

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 03:17 (six years ago)

Yes

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 03:28 (six years ago)

Surprisingly they were just several hundred pages of someone's xeroxed butt.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 03:29 (six years ago)

knew it

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 03:31 (six years ago)

Rudy Giuliani via text to ⁦@politico⁩ on tonight’s Flynn filing: “Wow big crime for a SPECIAL WHATEVER maybe a group of Angry Bitter Hillary Supporters who are justifying themselves by the goal justifies the means....Over the top In ethical behavior.” pic.twitter.com/5fZhFCNTVV

— Darren Samuelsohn (@dsamuelsohn) December 5, 2018

makes drinking motion

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 04:45 (six years ago)

That’s beyond sad.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 05:02 (six years ago)

he's running

gbx, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 05:03 (six years ago)

from the law

gbx, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 05:03 (six years ago)

*mimes trump handing phone back to giuliani*

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 05:04 (six years ago)

lol

oh look "security expert" Rudy Giuliani shows you how to do a special "dark web scan", courtesy of Experian. pic.twitter.com/8DIlUY56Lu

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) April 6, 2018

global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 05:26 (six years ago)

Mueller = just so fresh, so clean pic.twitter.com/W2jDBpStgx

— Harrison Mooney (@HarrisonMooney) December 5, 2018

Freda VanFleet (symsymsym), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 08:41 (six years ago)

I think I'd be willing to sacrifice a limb for the opportunity of watching Giuliani defend Trump on federal charges. Like just a regular ol' televised trial. I'm certain that it would be a breathtaking spectacle.

Mom's out working, for fulfillment (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 12:49 (six years ago)

i imagine one could overhear a reasonable facsimile of rudy's defence at any time just by visiting any american geriatric living facility

We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 12:59 (six years ago)

I knew I'd heard a variation of that Rudy text somewhere before.

Mom's out working, for fulfillment (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 13:03 (six years ago)

free paul manafort!

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 13:57 (six years ago)

Did people wind up suing U2 after they imposed their free lp on everybody using i-tunes or whatever.
Just wondering what recourse you might have if you bought something & got a free Paul Manafort. Do you just shed it with the other surplus packaging as you leave the shop?

Stevolende, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 14:10 (six years ago)

edge-y!

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 14:24 (six years ago)

good morning!

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 14:27 (six years ago)

and i hope a good day. last time soetero spoke with mr. trump in the audience was the 2011 white house correspondence dinner iirc and look what happened

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 14:51 (six years ago)

our big wet boy is excited about his field trip

Looking forward to being with the Bush family. This is not a funeral, this is a day of celebration for a great man who has led a long and distinguished life. He will be missed!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 5, 2018

We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 14:53 (six years ago)

pretty sure it is in fact a funeral

resident hack (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 14:54 (six years ago)

another falsehood from president lies!!!

resident hack (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 14:55 (six years ago)

FPed you for using "wet" in connection with Drumpf

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 14:55 (six years ago)

you'd prefer 'moist'?

We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 14:56 (six years ago)

humid 'n' tumid

WmC, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 15:00 (six years ago)

as a scientist, i can say that when i observe these two fragments in such proximity -

Looking forward to being with the Bush family. This is not a funeral, this is a day of celebration

- it basically means "looking forward to going to Bush's funeral", which he then fixed by making sure to reframe it as a day of celebration

which it is

*cleans glasses*

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 15:00 (six years ago)

Can we get a photoshop of Trump inappropriately pumping his fist at Bush's funeral? Or should we just wait for the actual pics?

Mom's out working, for fulfillment (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 15:10 (six years ago)

"That's it, now you've gone too far with your insults! I'll show you ... "
https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1070287200590290945/OH56Ow_A?format=jpg&name=600x314

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 15:11 (six years ago)

Truly the best thing about twitter is it allows the powerful to speak directly to us and thereby demonstrate that 92% of them are addled cretins https://t.co/DKf5NfCr3C

— Jon Schwarz (@schwarz) December 5, 2018

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 15:12 (six years ago)

Can we get a photoshop of Trump inappropriately pumping his *redacted* at Bush's funeral?

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 15:12 (six years ago)

As unfiltered outlets for hateful propaganda go, Twitter has been very very unfair to President Trump, and it's been very sad to witness the unfairness.

Mom's out working, for fulfillment (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 15:15 (six years ago)

"The same thing-period no space-occured later and it didn't happen"

???

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 15:25 (six years ago)

ahahahaha he's talking about that accidental G20 link from a day or two ago

this fuckin guy

sleeve, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 15:27 (six years ago)

ahhh ofcourse, ty! lmao

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 15:28 (six years ago)

that's trump's cyber-security adviser rudolph giuliani, he def knows what he's talking about

We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 15:28 (six years ago)

it's the time magazine reference which is really baffling to me, wtf are his brain worms getting at with that

We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 15:29 (six years ago)

Yes, Twitter made that happen, not a geriatric using a device/platform he can't quite wrap his mind around.

Mom's out working, for fulfillment (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 15:30 (six years ago)

The same thing occurred later and it didn't happen.

akm, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 15:33 (six years ago)

I think the site got taken down, iirc the link no longer works?

sleeve, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 15:34 (six years ago)

haha no i just checked it still works, updated with a link to the flynn stuff and rudy still hasn't deleted the original tweet lmao

The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 15:37 (six years ago)

NEW: Trump has told aides he doesn’t care about the national debt in part because when it becomes truly untenable he will be out of office. https://t.co/tMJ5k5hiTl

Via @swin24 and @lachlan

— Sam Stein (@samstein) December 5, 2018

DON: Well, yeah.

mookieproof, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 15:39 (six years ago)

Lol

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 15:41 (six years ago)

TBF, isn't kicking the can down the road like conservatism 101?

Mom's out working, for fulfillment (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 15:42 (six years ago)

W famously told an aide "I'll be gone"

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 15:42 (six years ago)

Now you see why he put the city's war room in the World Trade Center? https://t.co/19kKLOMeJ5

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) December 5, 2018

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 15:43 (six years ago)

Somebody redid the Person of the year Trump cover of Time as Arsehole of the year.
One where he's seated in a cinema chair or whatever. Turning to face you, chair facing away from you.
So i think it's been circulating as a meme.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 15:43 (six years ago)

Ahh, okay. So then the great-grandpas of the world are forwarding it to one another and mistaking it for an actual magazine cover, makes sense.

Mom's out working, for fulfillment (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 15:48 (six years ago)

what is it about boomer brains specifically that has made them so susceptible to crumbling like feta cheese when exposed to social media

We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 15:50 (six years ago)

> Twitter allowed someone to invade my text with a disgusting anti-President message.

wow, this makes me wonder what kind of security expert he is

koogs, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 15:56 (six years ago)

Which was Trump's fake Time cover? Was it the original of that one anyway. I just remembered there was some scandal about him having a framed fake Time cover up in a couple of places a couple of years ago.
Would make it funnier possibly if Giuliani hadn't recognised the history of that one.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 15:58 (six years ago)

Trump otm

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 15:59 (six years ago)

tbh making anything that looks like a link into a link is a bad design choice that mostly exists to baffle grandpas

mh, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:00 (six years ago)

I applied for one of those anti-Trump cards but I hear they're harder to get than blue checkmarks

President Keyes, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:00 (six years ago)

really not looking forward to the MSM slobbering all over Trump cuz he managed to sit through an entire funeral without shitting his big boy pants

frogbs, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:13 (six years ago)

oh god totally

The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:14 (six years ago)

he didn't wear his glittery party hat or anything, it's truly the day he becomes presient

We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:17 (six years ago)

DEVELOPING: After election losses, Republicans in Wisconsin Senate push through bill just before sunrise that is designed to empower the GOP-controlled Legislature and weaken the Democrat replacing the outgoing Republican governor; Assembly vote to come. https://t.co/x69Dat25Gu

— NBC News (@NBCNews) December 5, 2018

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:21 (six years ago)

one last fuck you from scott walker, what a shitheel

We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:22 (six years ago)

fucking disgusting

The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:22 (six years ago)

oh sweet!

In one concession, Republicans backed away from giving the Legislature the power to sidestep the attorney general and appoint their own attorney when state laws are challenged in court. An amendment to do away with that provision was part of a Republican rewrite of the bill, made public around 4:30 a.m. after all-night negotiations.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:23 (six years ago)

see, they're willing to reach across the aisle, what's the big deal

We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:25 (six years ago)

Is there a particular address in WI where we can send torches and pitchforks, or are there maybe like drop-off bins at the border?

Mom's out working, for fulfillment (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:28 (six years ago)

Can we throw together a covert op to kidnap Scott Walker until the new governor is seated so he can't sign any of this?

Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:32 (six years ago)

if anyone has access to an orbital railgun platform, the address of the governer's mansion is easily googled

We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:33 (six years ago)

IIRC when struck by orbital lasers scott walker will just mutate into a titanic blob of flesh and machinery consuming all social services and human decency in its path

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:34 (six years ago)

Not to get all 'dewy-eyed naïf' up in this piece, but I don't even know how government can play-act at representing the will of the people when they pull shit like this.

Mom's out working, for fulfillment (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:35 (six years ago)

so doc c, you're saying walker was hit by orbital lasers seconds after being elected

We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:39 (six years ago)

cause "The People" exist mainly in their own mind

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:40 (six years ago)

Here's one of the guys who wrote twitter's code lolling at Rudy:

Hey @tw and @bcherry, remember all the debates we had about the linkifying regex around edge cases like this? Rudy is super upset with us for "https://t.co/3YnF3iGucu"

Rudy, if you don't like it this behavior, put spaces after periods or send patches to https://t.co/CLidW5MrZX https://t.co/btByWkExYF

— Patrick Ewing (@hoverbird) December 5, 2018

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:46 (six years ago)

I don't even know how government can play-act at representing the will of the people when they pull shit like this.

They don't want to have to play-act, they want to do this stuff under the rug and hope nobody notices. They didn't succeed. Getting the election moved to benefit their supreme court candidate was a big goal and that got killed once people got wind of it. This is dirty as hell but they can't really change the fact that there's going to be a new governor and a new attorney general and a lot of things are going to be fundamentally different around here for the next four years at least. And they are cementing their reputation as the dirty party in the process. I think this is a mistake for them in the long term.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:50 (six years ago)

counterpoint: there is no long term

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:56 (six years ago)

If they ram this through, do the Dems have enough legislative votes to reverse it next year?

WmC, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:56 (six years ago)

i feel like this is exactly the type of move that feels good in the present but will backfire on them

omar little, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 16:59 (six years ago)

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/419527-exclusive-consumer-bureau-analysis-says-name-change-could-cost-firms-300

tl;dr mick mulvaney wants to change the name of the CFPB to "BCFP". the adminstative burden of this will cost banks $300m. cry me a river, but these administration people are so weird (as well as stupid).

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 17:02 (six years ago)

If they ram this through, do the Dems have enough legislative votes to reverse it next year?

No. If that were the case, there would be no point. The idea is that thanks to the current district lines, which among other things fold large chunks of (Democratic) Milwaukee county into hard-red suburban districts, Dems would have to win the statewide vote by 8 points or so in order to get an Assembly majority. That's more than Walker ever won by. The legislature is trying to grab power for itself because it's the only branch of the government that's successfully immunized itself from public anger.
'

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 17:06 (six years ago)

xp arbitrarily changing the names of things and other twiddling is an economic stimulus/job creation tactic, surely

mh, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 17:12 (six years ago)

it’s a ‘desperately trying to look busy’ tactic, sure

We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 17:17 (six years ago)

Not much different than corporations reconfiguring initiatives and retitling divisions in order to highlight new executive 'achievements'.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 17:18 (six years ago)

the agency doesn't match the name described in the bill, we need to make it technically correct: the best kind of correct

mh, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 17:19 (six years ago)

I posted this elsewhere but might as well ask here as well, any details welcome.

It's so despicable and infuriating that we can declare a national holiday with ~24 hours notice (totally screwing over many thousands of people in the process due to disrupted mail delivery) because a vile mass murderer died, yet Election Day remains a regular workday. I would love more info about this disgusting abuse of power if people can provide details - who signed this order, how did it happen? This has Miller written all over it.

sleeve, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 17:23 (six years ago)

uhhhh... it’s happened every time a president’s died for awhile now.

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 17:27 (six years ago)

link?

sleeve, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 17:28 (six years ago)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_day_of_mourning

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 17:30 (six years ago)

that doesn't say anything about shutting down the government, just flags at half-mast.

sleeve, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 17:31 (six years ago)

I became a Fed in 2006, so I can’t speak for anything earlier than that, but I got a day off today and when Ford died.

Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 17:33 (six years ago)

weird, there are zero details about any Ford-related shutdowns here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_and_state_funeral_of_Gerald_Ford

just another "National Day Of Mourning" with no details...

sleeve, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 17:37 (six years ago)

Ah thanks, what a bunch of bullshit. My point about Election Day stands, and I can now assume that Trump ordered this directly.

sleeve, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 17:39 (six years ago)

Over the top In ethical behavior

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 17:45 (six years ago)

wonder how different today would be if it were jimmy carter who'd died

mookieproof, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 17:48 (six years ago)

otm

sleeve, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 17:50 (six years ago)

national new peanut tariff day

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 17:51 (six years ago)

Billy Beer suddenly flooding supermarket shelves.

For a superlative chug, only the eggiest nog will do! (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 17:52 (six years ago)

can't wait

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 17:54 (six years ago)

billions in new funding for habitat for humanity no wait

We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 17:55 (six years ago)

(to finally have a Billy Beer, that is, not for Carter do die)

xp

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 17:55 (six years ago)

wonder how different today would be if it were jimmy carter who'd died

In all honesty I think Carter will get a similarly loving treatment. He's far enough in the past that it's safe for Republicans to lay off him. If Obama dropped dead tomorrow, on the other hand, Trump would issue an executive order titled "Home at Last" demanding that his body be stuffed in a sack and dropped from a plane over Kenya. And half the country would describe this as "grappling with his predecessor's complicated legacy."

Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 18:36 (six years ago)

these Nazi rapist pigs wouldn't honor Carter if you held a gun to their heads

sleeve, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 18:39 (six years ago)

(speculation, granted, but I stand by it)

sleeve, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 18:39 (six years ago)

Shakey you just need to find a really old jacket to taste that sweet sweet Billy Beer.

From Damage Inc. to Metallica Inc. (Leee), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 18:44 (six years ago)

it will be non-stop "malaise" and Iran hostage talk mark my words

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 18:52 (six years ago)

Trump will recall the time Carter told that kid not to eat the brown acid

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 19:02 (six years ago)

"He wanted us to wear sweaters indoors!"

The Greta Van Gerwig (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 19:05 (six years ago)

He's far enough in the past that it's safe for Republicans to lay off him.

Safe, maybe, but they won't.

resident hack (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 19:07 (six years ago)

he will forever be known to anyone to the Right of, well, Carter as the Second Worst President of All Time After the Black One.

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 19:10 (six years ago)

Democrats are so used to reflexively hating him that they'll be pressed to find one thing worth salvaging from his presidency. Instead, we'll hear a lot of guff about the "post-presidency" and surviving cancer and "the 120-year love affair between the president and Rosalynn."

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 19:10 (six years ago)

Look at the body language. Carter has plague.

https://thehill.com/sites/default/files/styles/thumb_small_article/public/presidents.getty_.jpg?itok=bKYwFxw3

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 19:10 (six years ago)

@charles_kinbote
When Carter dies people are still gonna look at the malaise speech as an error of monumental proportions but Carter was right. Our hunger for a paternal west wing style speech that changes everything, except Carter did this and was absolutely crucified for it

@pareene
It was literally the last time an American president ever actually tried to deliver "harsh but necessary truths" to the American people, or whatever cliche the sober pundit class is always pretending they want to hear. Not one has even tried since.

mookieproof, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 19:16 (six years ago)

Carter has plague.

You think they're scooching away from him? That is a man fueled by a boundless love of humanity and a seething, remorseless hatred of individual humans, especially his so-called "peers."

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 19:16 (six years ago)

they know he has lust in his heart

mookieproof, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 19:17 (six years ago)

i know we have google and all but its more fun to ask here and get more creative answers please what is the malaise speech

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 19:37 (six years ago)

In 1979 Carter convened a meeting of elites (writers, thinkers, economists) on a mountain, came down off it (really, the jokes write themselves if you're George Will), and deliverd a televised address in which he said we faced a "crisis of confidence" stemming from a decade of assassinations, the Vietnam War, Watergate, and so on. To this day I don't know what the hell was wrong with it other than that Carter is a zero as a public speaker (I remember him balling his fists at one point; he looked like Mark Hamil acting tough).

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 19:40 (six years ago)

What went wrong was that Carter didn't say "USA #1." xp

From Damage Inc. to Metallica Inc. (Leee), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 19:46 (six years ago)

The whole thing (33 minutes!) is here:

https://millercenter.org/the-presidency/presidential-speeches/july-15-1979-crisis-confidence-speech

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 19:47 (six years ago)

I've tried to imagine JFK's 'ask not...' bit being delivered today without the utterer getting pelted with tomatoes, can't do it.

For a superlative chug, only the eggiest nog will do! (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 19:47 (six years ago)

that 'malaise' speech was super popular at the time, but when Carter started firing cabinet members a few weeks later the press marked it as the beginning of the crisis of his presidency

President Keyes, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 19:52 (six years ago)

there's a good relentless picnic episode about carter and what his whole deal was

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 19:53 (six years ago)

https://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/bn1a9jq9g0qlldcnggvpea.png

Joe Gargan (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 19:53 (six years ago)

our crisis of confidence....
*balls up fists*
must be transformed into patriotic righteousness https://i.imgur.com/c9yRzgC.jpg?1

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 19:54 (six years ago)

I might be interested in a serious biography of Carter. Is there a good one?

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 19:54 (six years ago)

One published this year.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 19:55 (six years ago)

This one.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 19:56 (six years ago)

the nascent conservative outrage machine really did a number turning it into the equivalent of 'Dems just hating America i guess'

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 19:56 (six years ago)

that's not a bad book Al but it's hard to call it a "serious biography" given that it was written by one of his high level staffers. It's a decent read tho.

Joe Gargan (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 20:01 (six years ago)

I had no idea he was an undersecretary of commerce or whatever. You read it then?

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 20:04 (six years ago)

guess Manafort got let out

Moments after a a Pennsylvania man was released from custody, police say he stole a car in the jail's parking lot. https://t.co/sKiHhDfADu #odd

— AP Oddities (@AP_Oddities) December 5, 2018

frogbs, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 20:20 (six years ago)

Yeah read it out of curiosity, a friend of mine in the hood gave it to me.

Joe Gargan (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 20:24 (six years ago)

(hood = neighborhood)

Joe Gargan (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 20:24 (six years ago)

If i had done 1/10th of what she did .....
& he's not getting time?

Cheerleader for jailtime for non-criminals not getting time seems a little unjust surely?

Stevolende, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 20:35 (six years ago)

don't let us down, Philly

Politico reports:

President Donald Trump will attend the Army-Navy football game Saturday in Philadelphia, the White House told reporters on Wednesday.

Trump attended the game between the two military academies in 2016 as president-elect. He tweeted in 2017 that he would watch the game remotely, thanking the two branches for their service. President Barack Obama attended the game in 2011.

Sitting presidents have routinely made appearances at the games, and they traditionally switch sides of the field at halftime.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 20:48 (six years ago)

as long as hillary is free, all of us are in chains. Xp

Hunt3r, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 20:51 (six years ago)

psyched to see trump get pelted with batteries tbh

We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 21:33 (six years ago)

He should parachute in!

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 5 December 2018 21:55 (six years ago)

Just like he trained for in Vietohwait.

From Damage Inc. to Metallica Inc. (Leee), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 22:05 (six years ago)

i bet one of the only things trump is good at is farting

macropuente (map), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 22:37 (six years ago)

one might say it's his manaforte

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 5 December 2018 23:16 (six years ago)

Dems' national lead in House votes just surpassed 9.7 million (now 8.6%). Largest midterm raw vote margin ever; largest % margin since 1986. https://t.co/0pm7oW1pFE

— Dave Wasserman (@Redistrict) December 6, 2018

Karl Malone, Thursday, 6 December 2018 01:53 (six years ago)

I really don't care one way or the other if someone says or doesn't say a prayer at a funeral, but imagine the avalanche of "He's a Muslim!" shit we'd have to sit through if Obama had been the one to not recite the Apostles' Creed during a Presidential Funeral.

akm, Thursday, 6 December 2018 02:21 (six years ago)

Carter's lite Reaganism is too depressing to write an entire book about.

Good retiree, though.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 December 2018 02:29 (six years ago)

I lo ove satan

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 6 December 2018 02:31 (six years ago)

Oops rong thred

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 6 December 2018 02:32 (six years ago)

Satan is pretty fucking cool I admit. My watching of 5 episodes of the new Sabrina have convinced me.

akm, Thursday, 6 December 2018 02:34 (six years ago)

A suprisingly thorough story, given the source, about how Bill Nelson lost just enough Hispanic voters.. Worth the read.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 December 2018 03:09 (six years ago)

Twice I flipped channels to NPR today, and both times weren't they just yammering on about how ex-presidential deaths do wonders to the unite the country. This struck me as some bullshit. But is it historically true? Even if so, isn't it a little farfetched in 2018?

davey, Thursday, 6 December 2018 05:03 (six years ago)

it unites the ruling class

21st savagery fox (m bison), Thursday, 6 December 2018 05:06 (six years ago)

I'm literally vomiting with rage imagining A) all the fawning headlines that'll be run when Trump dies and B) Obama's inevitable "now he and I have had some differences *pause for light laughter*, but..." speech

on the plus side that fucker will be dead

frogbs, Thursday, 6 December 2018 05:06 (six years ago)

It made me pukey too

davey, Thursday, 6 December 2018 05:22 (six years ago)

If the ruling class includes the legislative and executive branches, then I'm not holding my breath for unity. In fact, I can't imagine unity would be a good thing while half the people in power are basically cartoon villains.

davey, Thursday, 6 December 2018 05:25 (six years ago)

With any luck we won't have to wait long for Trump's own giant waste of federal money.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 6 December 2018 05:49 (six years ago)

Couldn't we bury him now and save time and stress about fitting it in later?

Stevolende, Thursday, 6 December 2018 11:16 (six years ago)

it unites the ruling class

the only people who count

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 December 2018 11:36 (six years ago)

(or get counted)

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 December 2018 11:36 (six years ago)

Dump Pence!

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/12/mike-pence-2020-mueller-trump

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 6 December 2018 11:46 (six years ago)

I thought Pence was a Milquetoast with a poor reputation that would only have been picked by Trump in the first place so would be unlikely to be much of an anything if standing on his own in a Presidential race

Stevolende, Thursday, 6 December 2018 12:07 (six years ago)

well, good morning!

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 December 2018 12:08 (six years ago)

“Look at how he’s been. It’s presidential,” a former West Wing aide said.

the standards, they are low

Bênoit Balls (stevie), Thursday, 6 December 2018 12:21 (six years ago)

Technically speaking, it's accurate. Incoherently rage tweeting on the shitter is now presidential.

For a superlative chug, only the eggiest nog will do! (Old Lunch), Thursday, 6 December 2018 12:59 (six years ago)

wtf i'm presidential now

We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 6 December 2018 13:18 (six years ago)

If he's permanently stained the diginity of the Presidentship do you need a revolution? Rebranding of positions etc?

Stevolende, Thursday, 6 December 2018 13:49 (six years ago)

jfc I hate to say it but the Dems could stand to learn something here

Wisconsin Republicans approved 82 Scott Walker appointees yesterday. 82 PEOPLE IN 1 DAY. https://t.co/unx6L4gxku

— Amanda Terkel (@aterkel) December 5, 2018

frogbs, Thursday, 6 December 2018 14:11 (six years ago)

republicans understand how to use power, that's for sure

We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 6 December 2018 14:13 (six years ago)

Basically GOP seems to understand better to risk (or even accept) defeat in a few years for the sake of victory now. Laws and judges last longer than election cycles.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 14:22 (six years ago)

beardo ted cruz is continuing to happen and somehow covering up that gelatinous face a bit is somehow worse than keeping it exposed and glistening

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dtrtgb3WsAUGrru.jpg:large

We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 6 December 2018 14:46 (six years ago)

goddamn it

The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 6 December 2018 14:48 (six years ago)

Thank goodness I had progressed past the adolescent chin pube phase before that shit started going gray. What an indignity.

For a superlative chug, only the eggiest nog will do! (Old Lunch), Thursday, 6 December 2018 14:51 (six years ago)

I hope to god that this isn't in an attempt to court the youthful slacker vote. I don't know if I can handle seeing Cruz go full Poochie.

For a superlative chug, only the eggiest nog will do! (Old Lunch), Thursday, 6 December 2018 14:54 (six years ago)

On his way to Orson’s Fat Period

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 6 December 2018 14:54 (six years ago)

https://dwigif.com/view/y4TXpWi

We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 6 December 2018 14:57 (six years ago)

Orson Whelps

Evan, Thursday, 6 December 2018 14:58 (six years ago)

This is very illuminating and makes me think these idiots are truly doomed.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/12/trump-white-house-has-no-plan-counter-mueller-report/577417/

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 6 December 2018 15:38 (six years ago)

Attempting to plan “would mean you would have to have an honest conversation about what might be coming,”

i figured this would be the main problem. no one on team trump is going to be able to plan any kind of effective legal strategy because no one is going to want to be honest about what actually, or likely happened.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 6 December 2018 15:45 (six years ago)

My favorite bit:

Giuliani initially pushed back on the prediction that Trump would take center stage after the report drops. “I don’t think following his lead is the right thing. He’s the client,” he told me. “The more controlled a person is, the more intelligent they are, the more they can make the decision. But he’s just like every other client. He’s not more … you know, controlled than any other client. In fact, he’s a little less.”

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 December 2018 15:46 (six years ago)

Plus just in a general sense it means accepting reality without deflecting facts with unhinged conspiracy theories and outright lies. I'm not sure they're capable.

For a superlative chug, only the eggiest nog will do! (Old Lunch), Thursday, 6 December 2018 15:47 (six years ago)

which works for the base – but what the base thinks isn't going to keep that POS out of prison.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 6 December 2018 15:49 (six years ago)

The president has also devoted much of his energy to following Paul Manafort’s case rather than prepping for the full report. “The thing that upsets POTUS the most is the treatment of Manafort,” Giuliani said. When Trump learned that the former campaign chairman was in solitary confinement, Giuliani said, “he said to me, ‘Don’t they realize we’re America?’”

trump: we're probably gonna massacre refugees at the border fyi
also trump: they're making paul manafort sit on his own in prison, this is unconscionable

We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 6 December 2018 15:51 (six years ago)

“He’s got a great memory,” Giuliani said. “However, basically we were answering questions about 2016, the busiest year of his life. It’s a real job to remember.”

yes who could possibly remember the events of 2016

frogbs, Thursday, 6 December 2018 15:57 (six years ago)

tbf we're all trying to forget

resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 6 December 2018 15:59 (six years ago)

As if every nanosecond of Trump's life hasn't been meticulously documented over the past two years.

For a superlative chug, only the eggiest nog will do! (Old Lunch), Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:05 (six years ago)

feel like "tweets don't fail me now" might be a good January thread title

frogbs, Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:06 (six years ago)

by the foreign powers who have tapped his unsecured personal phone xp

We're in 2009—it's time to take risks, (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:06 (six years ago)

Asked whether the White House had a plan in place for when Mueller closes in, the spokesman Hogan Gidley declined to comment.

Hogan Gidley! Add that one to the list of awesome names in this epic satirical novel.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 16:45 (six years ago)

what happened in Wisconsin, even the slightly watered down version that passed, was some buuuuullshit, and people like tammy baldwin need to speak out more forcefully about it than this:


“I do believe that the legislature is overreaching and really just disrespecting the voters of my state,” the senator said.

She added later, referring to House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-WI), who is retiring from that chamber soon: “I hope that Speaker Ryan is still as invested as he ever was in the success of Wisconsin, so I think he absolutely should speak up about this.”

yeah! that'll show them!

?!?!?!!??!!

btw they're doing this in michigan now, too

Karl Malone, Thursday, 6 December 2018 17:06 (six years ago)

WI and MI voted for Trump. This is their reward.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 6 December 2018 17:09 (six years ago)

GOP is basically a stalker now

President Keyes, Thursday, 6 December 2018 17:15 (six years ago)

yum!

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-g5xZgnRvBqQ/XAXHcUdZjVI/AAAAAAABA1o/NFQuXZMIzLQeBb90HvEoQPA0iT5F8QO6gCLcBGAs/s1600/2012-02-15-Banana_Republican_0203-thumb.jpg

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 December 2018 17:50 (six years ago)

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I sponsor many ceremony dances in my beautiful pink roses palace (Old Lunch), Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:10 (six years ago)

former AG Barr as new Trump AG...?

Οὖτις, Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:11 (six years ago)

as in Roseanne?

frogbs, Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:16 (six years ago)

Secretary of Agriculture Dan Connor.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:29 (six years ago)

I honestly don't remember Barr at all from his first time around.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:33 (six years ago)

I remember him vaguely; I have trouble distinguishing the Poppy appointees from the late Reagan-era ones like Dick Thornburgh.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:36 (six years ago)

how delightful:

Barr's two-day confirmation hearing was "unusually placid" and he received a good reception from both Republicans and Democrats on the Senate Judiciary Committee.[8] Asked whether he thought a constitutional right to privacy included the right to an abortion, Barr responded that he believed the constitution was not originally intended to create a right to abortion; that Roe v. Wade was thus wrongly decided; and that abortion should be a "legitimate issue for state legislators".[8] Committee Chairman, Senator Joe Biden, though disagreeing with Barr, responded that it was the "first candid answer" he had heard from a nominee on a question that witnesses would normally evade.[9] Barr was approved unanimously by the Senate Judiciary Committee. Chairman Biden hailed Barr as "a throwback to the days when we actually had attorneys general that would talk to you."[9]

The media described Barr as staunchly conservative.[10] The New York Times described the "central theme" of his tenure to be: "his contention that violent crime can be reduced only by expanding Federal and state prisons to jail habitual violent offenders."[10] At the same time, reporters consistently described Barr as affable with a dry, self-deprecating wit.[1

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:37 (six years ago)

seems like he wouldn't fire mueller? i think a draconian, law-and-order reaganite is probably on the higher end of what we could hope for in a trump AG

big crime for a SPECIAL WHATEVER (voodoo chili), Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:40 (six years ago)

yup

Οὖτις, Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:43 (six years ago)

not quite a dyed-in-the-wool racist keelber elf or totally unqualified lickspittle

(still bad, obviously)

Οὖτις, Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:44 (six years ago)

Also: I assume Barr and Mueller are colleagues and contemporaries.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:45 (six years ago)

it doesn't matter who the AG is now re: Mueller imo. With the Dems in Congress and all the court filings and cases in motion, his stuff will come out even if he was summarily fired right this minute

Οὖτις, Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:55 (six years ago)

yeah the time to fire Mueller was 10 minutes after he was appointed

frogbs, Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:58 (six years ago)

Did some digging re Barr and Mueller and found this very interesting little tidbit from Chase Untermeyer's published diaries being in GHWB's White House:

https://books.google.com/books?id=lBZDDQAAQBAJ&pg=PA139&lpg=PA139&dq=%22bill+barr%22+mueller&source=bl&ots=rZtNkWb2Ts&sig=9HakJ6dCVDSeNUifwL3-qbNplAc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiJhO6b8YvfAhXBwMQHHViwCII4ChDoATACegQIBhAB#v=onepage&q=%22bill%20barr%22%20mueller&f=false

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 December 2018 18:59 (six years ago)

"an intensely handsome fellow"

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:00 (six years ago)

"intensely handsome"!

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:01 (six years ago)

Seeing names like Robert Novak seared my retinas.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:01 (six years ago)

no wonder Comey wanted to hug and kiss him so much

frogbs, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:03 (six years ago)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/54/Rough_Boys.jpg/220px-Rough_Boys.jpg

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:04 (six years ago)

Wonder who Barr wanted instead. Doesn't mean they didn't get along later.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:05 (six years ago)

gonna check my uni library for these diaries!

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:06 (six years ago)

I do love this bit from Untermeyer's Wikipedia entry:

Untermeyer is the author of When Things Went Right: The Dawn of the Reagan-Bush Administration, a memoir of the opening two years of the Reagan Administration; Inside Reagan's Navy: The Pentagon Journals, describing his service at the Navy Department; and How Important People Act: Behaving Yourself in Public.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:07 (six years ago)

His website has more fun re that last point. I presume our current president was not a client.

In an informal and fun atmosphere, Ambassador Chase Untermeyer shares valuable tips and techniques on how to act in public. These include how to make conversation with total strangers at a reception or banquet; how to sit on stage; how to give a talk; how to attend a funeral or other solemn occasion; how to take a tour; how to run a meeting; how to deal with the press; and how best to represent your company or firm in another country and culture.

Unlike professional training programs on “motivation” and “leadership” that speak in generalities, the “How Important People Act” seminar arms you with dozens of very practical things you can start using immediately to act with confidence and competence in public

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:09 (six years ago)

dying @ this

sleeve, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:09 (six years ago)

he's like the Henry Higgins of Important People

sleeve, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:10 (six years ago)

"Why Can't The Americans Learn to Sit?"

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:10 (six years ago)

I also appreciate that if you go to his site, you'll find you can choose from his resume, his very short bio, his short bio or his full bio. Or his wife.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:12 (six years ago)

"How to Sit on Your Wife -- And Asking Her Permission!"

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:13 (six years ago)

"How To Be Buried."

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:14 (six years ago)

This is the world Ross Douthat wants:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7XIHlAuYvk

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:15 (six years ago)

BTW you should go back to that diary link just for the attempt at humor between him, Bush and the Gorbachevs, as well as the revelation that the chapter is called "The Case of the Missing Earrings." Why the hell hasn't there been a parody film of this guy yet.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:17 (six years ago)

Joy! My library's got it.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:29 (six years ago)

I await the blogpost

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 December 2018 19:36 (six years ago)

WI and MI voted for Trump. This is their reward.

― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, December 6, 2018 11:09 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You are full of it if you think the Wisconsin state legislature would be acting one bit differently if Clinton had done 2% better and won here. On the contrary -- if Wisconsin were really "Trump Country" as some people like to think, the legislature here wouldn't be so damn scared of the public.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 6 December 2018 21:43 (six years ago)

whoa there are Wisconsin ilxors

where you from exactly

frogbs, Thursday, 6 December 2018 21:45 (six years ago)

Illinois ain't exactly deep blue (even if it looks that way on paper), but the only place I've seen actual Trump signs and Republican candidate signs in large numbers has been right outside Milwaukee, between there and Madison.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:03 (six years ago)

The entire country is basically the same, rural (red/outer suburbs) and blue (urban areas/inner suburbs)

The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:05 (six years ago)

find the nearest university and walk 20 miles to the left, and you'll find a trump sign

Karl Malone, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:06 (six years ago)

trump is on the far left, claims ilxor dot com poster ‘karl malone’

sir that’s my emotional support tapeworm (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:14 (six years ago)

So...about Bob Barr...

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:14 (six years ago)

how soon we forget the only actually funny Trump nickname

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-may-replace-jim-mattis-new-nickname-moderate-dog-2018-9

Οὖτις, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:18 (six years ago)

oops wrong thread

Οὖτις, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:19 (six years ago)

This seems like a bad idea pic.twitter.com/ujwAjBByZo

— Eric Gomez (@EricGomezAsia) December 6, 2018

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:31 (six years ago)

trump and the republican party regularly 'take hostages' in their domestic legislative negotiations. i guess it stands to reason that they'd start taking real physical hostages

Karl Malone, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:33 (six years ago)

She was arrested in Vancouver BC though... think Trudeau is just gonna give her up to the US?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:47 (six years ago)

trudeau should take a hostage before handing over anyone to the US

Karl Malone, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:50 (six years ago)

trade wars are good and easy to win, especially if you convert them into real wars

Karl Malone, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:50 (six years ago)

so thiiiiis is how the apocalypse kicks off, nice

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:52 (six years ago)

meanwhile, senator elect josh hawley (R-missouri) is now under investigation by MO's (republican) secretary of state. you know it's probably bad if a republican chooses to do their own job at the expense of another republican

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/mo-secretary-of-state-launches-probe-of-new-sen-elect-josh-hawley

Karl Malone, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:55 (six years ago)

Glad I got a new person to learn about

Aside from a brief stint at China Construction Bank, the 46-year-old executive has spent her entire career at Huawei. Her brother, Meng Ping, also known as Ren Ping, works at a Huawei subsidiary, and there was speculation that they were being groomed for succession. The Huawei founder reportedly shot that down in a letter to employees in 2013, saying his children lacked the vision, character and ambition to lead the company.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:56 (six years ago)

Anyway this is pretty ominous as Huwaei seems to be closely linked to the Chinese government ans has often been accused of espionage

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 6 December 2018 22:59 (six years ago)

She was arrested in Vancouver BC though... think Trudeau is just gonna give her up to the US?

― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, December 6, 2018 2:47 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

she was arrested based on charges in the US, so... yes

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:01 (six years ago)

still feel like Trudeau should take some sort of hostage

Karl Malone, Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:09 (six years ago)

Take our president, please!

From Damage Inc. to Metallica Inc. (Leee), Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:12 (six years ago)

McCready officially withdraws his concession in North Carolina House race.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:14 (six years ago)

good

sleeve, Thursday, 6 December 2018 23:21 (six years ago)

FAKE NEWS - THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 7, 2018

... 30 minutes later ...

Around 10:35pm, a bomb threat was called into the Time Warner Center & the building was evacuated. The threat has not been substantiated at this time; we’re on scene performing a comprehensive sweep-and-search of the facility. We’ll share more info as it becomes available. pic.twitter.com/VtLL2zmilJ

— NYPD NEWS (@NYPDnews) December 7, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 7 December 2018 04:50 (six years ago)

CORRECTION: Police responded to a call at 10:07 PM.

— NYPD NEWS (@NYPDnews) December 7, 2018

i guess trump tweeted after he placed the call then

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 7 December 2018 05:05 (six years ago)

whoa there are Wisconsin ilxors

lol

change display name (Jordan), Friday, 7 December 2018 05:09 (six years ago)

wait are some of you guys not in Wisconsin

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 7 December 2018 05:36 (six years ago)

"What's Made Milwaukee Famous (Has Made An Ilxor Out Of Me)"

The Greta Van Gerwig (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 7 December 2018 05:56 (six years ago)

Amazing that NYPD felt compelled to note the time stamp, with good reason ofc

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 7 December 2018 05:59 (six years ago)

"senator elect josh hawley (R-missouri)" fuck

Dan S, Friday, 7 December 2018 06:56 (six years ago)

The dipshit had a big night on Twitter (and he's still going). This was a particularly sad fart...

Does the Fake News Media ever mention the fact that Republicans, with the very important help of my campaign Rallies, WON THE UNITED STATES SENATE, 53 to 47? All I hear is that the Open Border Dems won the House. Senate alone approves judges & others. Big Republican Win!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 7, 2018

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 December 2018 11:41 (six years ago)

Lol, that's incredible.

Frederik B, Friday, 7 December 2018 11:48 (six years ago)

I had to check, Dems won 22 races and GOP 11. Twice as many.

Frederik B, Friday, 7 December 2018 11:49 (six years ago)

wow, he was really on one last night huh, and again this morning

have we ever gotten to the bottom of who the '14/17/however many angry democrats' are btw

sir that’s my emotional support tapeworm (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 7 December 2018 11:52 (six years ago)

bye bye?

Robert Mueller and Leakin’ Lyin’ James Comey are Best Friends, just one of many Mueller Conflicts of Interest. And bye the way, wasn’t the woman in charge of prosecuting Jerome Corsi (who I do not know) in charge of “legal” at the corrupt Clinton Foundation? A total Witch Hunt...

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 7, 2018

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 7 December 2018 11:57 (six years ago)

He's having a busy morning.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 December 2018 12:04 (six years ago)

he should eat more bran

Bênoit Balls (stevie), Friday, 7 December 2018 12:05 (six years ago)

or the magazine of a firearm

Bênoit Balls (stevie), Friday, 7 December 2018 12:05 (six years ago)

you're a butterfly, donald, and butterflies are free to fly,
fly away, high away

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 7 December 2018 12:24 (six years ago)

not a good sign for the trump gang :(

https://www.americanoversight.org/assistant-attorney-general-with-ties-to-russian-bank-recused-from-mueller-investigation

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 7 December 2018 12:39 (six years ago)

did somebody mention a swamp that needs draining? no?

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 7 December 2018 12:41 (six years ago)

The Angry Democrats are Mueller's team.

lol Trump will totally deny that any of his friendships are non-transactional if it'll keep him out of chokey.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 7 December 2018 12:47 (six years ago)

prison-bound, indemnitized
sweet putin, whisper in my ear

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 7 December 2018 12:52 (six years ago)

OMG, there are rumors that John Kelly might resign! Stop the presses!

What do you mean these rumors have been swirling for months and months? No, seriously, these are *new* rumors. This changes *everything*. Without his mature, experienced, stabilising influence, Trump is totally going to go off the rails. This is it! This is the moment we have been waiting for! With him gone, with Sec. Nielsen gone ...

What do you mean she's not gone yet? She's been gone for months hasn't she? I could have sworn I read something about that.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 December 2018 13:00 (six years ago)

Anyway, RIP Maddog Mattis. You put up a good fight. Resist!

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 December 2018 13:01 (six years ago)

RT: "So often, the president would say here's what I want to do and here's how I want to do it and I would have to say to him, Mr. President I understand what you want to do but you can't do it that way. It violates the law."

https://m.chron.com/business/article/Rex-Tillerson-13448868.php

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 7 December 2018 14:44 (six years ago)

hmm i wonder what it was about a former exxon man that might have made trump think he would be amenable to bending - if not outright breaking - the law

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 7 December 2018 14:52 (six years ago)

Leakin’ Lyin’ James Comey

Ooooh, do "One-eyed, one-horned, Flyin' Purple Liberty Eater" next!

resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 7 December 2018 14:56 (six years ago)

Just as I'm reasonably sure Trump has no real aversion to breaking the law, I'm equally sure that in many/most cases he doesn't actually know that what he wants to do actually breaks the law or that there are even any laws pertaining to the thing he wants to do.

vocabulary is just a way to sound samrter than you actually are (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 December 2018 14:58 (six years ago)

well, there is that too, yeah - he's not really known as a scrupulous law-respecter

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 7 December 2018 15:00 (six years ago)

god don jr is such a shithead

https://i.redd.it/3q2llsf9ev221.png

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 7 December 2018 15:11 (six years ago)

imagine donald trump being your father, AND you deeply crave his affection and approval, BUT the only way you know how to do this is recirculating dumb memes that attribute to him reagan-esque zingers utterly beyond his ability

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Friday, 7 December 2018 15:15 (six years ago)

wouldn't it be funny*

if the FBI tracked the TWC bomb threat to the white house. I mean our man gets so desperate he goes all fuck you i do it myself. I to don jr or somesuch. like some unforced error that's so basic that all the 3d russia chess stuff doesn't matter.

*it would not be funny (?)

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 7 December 2018 15:17 (six years ago)

There was a hilariously apolitical Comey mention in my most recent alumni magazine issue:

Khurram Mozaffer, AB '95, recently ran into former director of the FBI James Comey, JD '85, in New Jersey. They discussed life in Hyde Park and Spiro Fokas, AB '95. Both are writers: Khurram is toiling away in Hollywood and James was recently on a book tour for "A Higher Loyalty: Truth, Lies, and Leadership" (Flatiron Books, 2018)."

I thought that was cute.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 December 2018 15:18 (six years ago)

wow are all the anecdotes that entertaining

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 7 December 2018 15:19 (six years ago)

I'm willing to bet money that Trump is the kind of guy that kicks dogs.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 December 2018 15:19 (six years ago)

xpost Most are less entertaining.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 December 2018 15:19 (six years ago)

There's another one about some other dude doing work for the FBI in Central Asia that ends with a long inexplicable digression about a former roommate of mine who apparently is a good overseas dinner companion.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 December 2018 15:21 (six years ago)

xxp who was the last president before this to not have a pet in the WH?

Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Friday, 7 December 2018 15:24 (six years ago)

I think Trump views the law the same way an NFL player views the referees, in his mind he's never *really* breaking the law, or maybe he kinda is but not as much as those other guys and I cannot believe you actually call that holding, these refs were obviously paid off blah blah blah, also the worst thing that could happen is a 15 yard penalty, there have never been any *real* consequences in the life of Donald Trump. if Junior gets indicted that might actually be uncharted territory for him. not that he cares much about Jr., but even he's got to know that having the son you named after yourself get indicted for helping your campaign is a pretty bad look and not something you can just easily wriggle out of

frogbs, Friday, 7 December 2018 15:24 (six years ago)

Trump is a known dog hater. He often insults people by saying they are “like a dog.” Just another reason I hate him. xp

Trϵϵship, Friday, 7 December 2018 15:26 (six years ago)

Maybe the implication is "they taste like a dog." Because you know Trump eats pets, and possibly people, too. Definitely children.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 December 2018 15:27 (six years ago)

Or maybe he's secretly Muslim.

Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Friday, 7 December 2018 15:28 (six years ago)

Iirc He wasn't happy with the decision to name Don Jr. after himself. Trump plays the longtime, and giving a kid your name negates plausible deniability. Trump knew he was stuck with this loser forever.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 December 2018 15:28 (six years ago)

"According to his first wife, Ivana, Donald Trump was never keen on bequeathing his name to anybody," Julia Ioffe wrote in GQ. "It was Ivana who wanted to call their newborn Donald junior. 'You can't do that!' Trump is quoted as saying in Ivana's memoir, 'Raising Trump.' 'What if he's a loser?'"

Even Trump is sometimes right.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 December 2018 15:29 (six years ago)

imagine donald trump being your father, AND you deeply crave his affection and approval, BUT the only way you know how to do this is recirculating dumb memes that attribute to him reagan-esque zingers utterly beyond his ability

― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Friday, December 7, 2018 9:15 AM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

If at least 3/5 of them weren't ambulatory shitpeople, I would feel almost unfathomable pity for the fruit of Donald Trump's loins.

vocabulary is just a way to sound samrter than you actually are (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 December 2018 15:30 (six years ago)

wait who’s the fifth

maura, Friday, 7 December 2018 15:31 (six years ago)

Imagine what we could have been spared if Eric and Don Jr. had Menendez-ed that fuck.

Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Friday, 7 December 2018 15:31 (six years ago)

XP Tiffany

The Greta Van Gerwig (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 7 December 2018 15:32 (six years ago)

I told my boss yesterday that I doubt even his children in legal jeopardy would inspire anything but a dismissive tweet: "Don Jr, who eye love, is innocent!! I wish him nothing but good luck!"

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 December 2018 15:36 (six years ago)

https://frinkiac.com/meme/S03E03/580394.jpg?b64lines=CiBEYWQsIGRvIHlvdSBrbm93IHdoYXQKICJTY2hhZGVuZnJldWRlIiBpcz8g

Manafort lying, Mueller charging, Kelly leaving, Comey testifying, Cohen pleading, Flynn cooperating, Giuliani talking, Putin smiling, tariffs hurting, deficits growing, economy slowing, and Trump whining about it all...

And Republicans wonder why they're in deep shit.

— Joe Walsh (@WalshFreedom) December 7, 2018

Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Friday, 7 December 2018 15:39 (six years ago)

'don jr, who i barely know and worked very little on my campaign' shurely xp

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 7 December 2018 15:39 (six years ago)

joe walsh's rewrite of 'we didn't start the fire' fucking sucks

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 7 December 2018 15:40 (six years ago)

alfred, that is shockingly charitable. i would expect rather "Low-level 'Donald,' who I never liked and who many people think looks nothing like me, is being set up by the witch Hunt! More jail for Democrats who know there was no collusion for me, but waste big $$$ chasing LOSER SONS! A hoax!"

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Friday, 7 December 2018 15:40 (six years ago)

xpost to bg

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Friday, 7 December 2018 15:40 (six years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 December 2018 15:41 (six years ago)

it's just that GRU that's got trump in its sway

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 7 December 2018 15:44 (six years ago)

Cackling supervillain: Mr. Trump, you must now make an impossible choice. You can either kill your eldest son, or...
(Trump shoots Donald Jr. in the face without hesitation)

vocabulary is just a way to sound samrter than you actually are (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 December 2018 15:44 (six years ago)

montgomery "monty" brogan >>>>>>> donald trumplethinskin

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 7 December 2018 15:45 (six years ago)

Cackling supervillain: Mr. Trump, you must now make an impossible choice. You can either kill your eldest son, or...
(Trump shoots Donald Jr. in the face without hesitation shoots hand holding phone + KFC chicken thigh)

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 December 2018 15:46 (six years ago)

lol JiC otm

partying partying yeah

sleeve, Friday, 7 December 2018 15:49 (six years ago)

I'd figure with this arrest in Vancouver, there could be some Apple execs in China looking over their shoulder a bit more than usual.

earlnash, Friday, 7 December 2018 15:52 (six years ago)

but even he's got to know that having the son you named after yourself get indicted for helping your campaign is a pretty bad look and not something you can just easily wriggle out of

― frogbs, Friday, December 7, 2018 10:24 AM (twenty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

No problem, just proportionately increase output of angry ranting spittle soaked tweets. It's how he's wriggled in the past; it's all he knows how to do.

Evan, Friday, 7 December 2018 15:56 (six years ago)

rudy's been a good boy and has been allowed access to the crayon drawer again, i see

It has been incorrectly reported that Rudy Giuliani and others will not be doing a counter to the Mueller Report. That is Fake News. Already 87 pages done, but obviously cannot complete until we see the final Witch Hunt Report.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 7, 2018

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 7 December 2018 16:01 (six years ago)

already 87 pages done

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 7 December 2018 16:03 (six years ago)

where's the tax returns?

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 7 December 2018 16:03 (six years ago)

good morning!

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 December 2018 16:04 (six years ago)

for the first time i'm impatient for the mueller report to be released just so we can see the trump team's exquisitely-argued rejoinder

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 7 December 2018 16:04 (six years ago)

"no collusion! no collusion!" for 88 pages

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 7 December 2018 16:05 (six years ago)

It's literally just 87 pages of tweet printouts.

vocabulary is just a way to sound samrter than you actually are (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 December 2018 16:07 (six years ago)

ALL WOR K ANDNO PLAY MAKEs AMERICA A DULL COUNTRY . MAGA

WmC, Friday, 7 December 2018 16:07 (six years ago)

just a phonebook-sized document full of jackie treehorn doodles

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 7 December 2018 16:09 (six years ago)

(Careful, even oblique references to wiener doodles could get u excommunicated from thraed.)

vocabulary is just a way to sound samrter than you actually are (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 December 2018 16:12 (six years ago)

no i mean tasteful pencil renderings of my father ben gazzara in character as jackie treehorn

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 7 December 2018 16:14 (six years ago)

i know hillary's guilty but what am i?

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 7 December 2018 16:16 (six years ago)

a tax return!

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 December 2018 16:17 (six years ago)

isn't The Witch Hunt Report a Judy Blume book?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 7 December 2018 16:19 (six years ago)

from the author of bunnicula and howliday inn

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 7 December 2018 16:19 (six years ago)

the first sentence was "The president's income tax returns were too complex for Americans to understand, alas" iirc

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 7 December 2018 16:20 (six years ago)

the first sentence was "The president's income tax returns were too complex for Americans to understand, alas SAD!" iirc

― reggie (qualmsley), Friday, December 7, 2018 11:20 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Evan, Friday, 7 December 2018 16:24 (six years ago)

i had tiffany. ivanka don jr eric tiffany.

oh i guess barron counts

maura, Friday, 7 December 2018 16:29 (six years ago)

they wrote 87 pages about what, exactly

frogbs, Friday, 7 December 2018 16:37 (six years ago)

Hillary prison fanfic iirc

vocabulary is just a way to sound samrter than you actually are (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 December 2018 16:38 (six years ago)

He's mistaken.

They printed out the itunes agreement for Trump to sign. Rudy insists they need to mail it to Apple to "prevent them from tracking you". He's the cyber security expert and he won't hear otherwise, dammit.

Evan, Friday, 7 December 2018 16:42 (six years ago)

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/07/politics/robert-mueller-john-kelly-obstruction-investigation/index.html

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 7 December 2018 17:36 (six years ago)

Kelly is widely expected to leave his position in the coming days and is no longer on speaking terms with President Donald Trump

I like how this makes it sound like some sort of petty family dispute over not passing grandpa the gravy boat at Thanksgiving or something

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 December 2018 17:41 (six years ago)

I've stopped speaking to Trump as well. I mean, fuck that guy, he doesn't listen, anyway. I don't even think he knows when my birthday is, even though I know his and bought him something cool, too.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 December 2018 17:43 (six years ago)

(It was a custom McDonald's loyalty club card that only works on McRibs and Shamrock Shakes, isn't that awesome?)

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 December 2018 17:44 (six years ago)

wait, he's talking about hillary, right? right???

On that day...the deaf shall hear the words of a scroll & out of gloom & darkness the eyes of the blind shall see. For the tyrant shall be no more, the scoffer shall cease to be; All who are ready for evil shall be cut off...

Isaiah 29: 18-20

— Marco Rubio (@marcorubio) December 7, 2018

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 7 December 2018 17:52 (six years ago)

marco rubio is such a weirdo

Karl Malone, Friday, 7 December 2018 17:53 (six years ago)

It's amazing how many people accept positions in this administration thinking that they will succeed at influencing Trump to be less volatile and ignorant, like Kelly, or else manipulate him into following their own evil agenda, like Bolton. Then Trump proceeds to be just as volatile, ignorant and intractable as ever before. The "successful" ones are like Sarah Huckabee-Sanders and Kellyanne Conway, who have no ideas of their own and are content to act as obedient minions to Satan.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 7 December 2018 17:53 (six years ago)

influencing Trump to be less volatile and ignorant, like Kelly,

this was the line on Kelly, pre-trump, but i think he's shown himself to be just another asshole. there was some recent thing about the long and agonizing process to get trump to answer the mueller questions. i remember reading that "it should have taken a couple days, but it took 3 weeks" or something like that. and at one point it said that the mueller-answering session was ruined because Kelly barged into the room to give an update on the CARAVAN

Karl Malone, Friday, 7 December 2018 17:55 (six years ago)

That's wonderful!

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 December 2018 18:01 (six years ago)

"it should have taken a couple days, but it took 3 weeks"

this was Giuliani that said that

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 December 2018 18:01 (six years ago)

imagine a white house team staffed with nothing but Barry Zuckerkorns

Karl Malone, Friday, 7 December 2018 18:04 (six years ago)

Do we even have to imagine that, really?

vocabulary is just a way to sound samrter than you actually are (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 December 2018 18:08 (six years ago)

well i like to imagine that

*hmph*

Karl Malone, Friday, 7 December 2018 18:09 (six years ago)

I just mean that the actual WH is like that time Malkovich took the portal into his own head except everyone is saying 'Zuckercorn Zuckercorn Zuckercorn'. No imagination required!

vocabulary is just a way to sound samrter than you actually are (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 December 2018 18:12 (six years ago)

AKA imagine the WH were a playpen. I will grant you that there are walls instead of bars, but otherwise...

vocabulary is just a way to sound samrter than you actually are (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 December 2018 18:13 (six years ago)

one of the more painful things i am dealing with is that if there was a 24/7 live feed of the trump oval office, i would probably watch it all the time. i mean years later, after the apocalypse. not as a way of hearing oval office secrets as they happen, but just as pure political entertainment. i am sick

Karl Malone, Friday, 7 December 2018 18:18 (six years ago)

i like to watch important people mess up

Karl Malone, Friday, 7 December 2018 18:19 (six years ago)

watch this and sigh for simpler times

https://ournixon.com/

sans lep (sic), Friday, 7 December 2018 19:10 (six years ago)

So the manafort report is coming out today right

Trϵϵship, Friday, 7 December 2018 19:54 (six years ago)

By midnight. Cohen one is due at 5pm.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 December 2018 19:57 (six years ago)

What a time to be alive:

Mike Pompeo is doing a great job, I am very proud of him. His predecessor, Rex Tillerson, didn’t have the mental capacity needed. He was dumb as a rock and I couldn’t get rid of him fast enough. He was lazy as hell. Now it is a whole new ballgame, great spirit at State!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 7, 2018

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 7 December 2018 20:17 (six years ago)

ahahahaha

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Friday, 7 December 2018 20:18 (six years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPRx4w_b51g

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 December 2018 20:19 (six years ago)

its true Trump literally waited an entire year for Rex to take a dump so he could fire him

frogbs, Friday, 7 December 2018 20:20 (six years ago)

Getting back at Rex for calling him "a moron". And proving it at the same time.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 7 December 2018 20:21 (six years ago)

that's one of my favorite trump tweets

Trϵϵship, Friday, 7 December 2018 20:28 (six years ago)

Here's what set him off (open in private/incognito):

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/12/07/rex-tillerson-trump-undisciplined-doesnt-like-read-tries-do-illegal-things/

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 7 December 2018 20:29 (six years ago)

prison-bound, mueller time,
sweet putin, whisper in my ear
you're a uranium one, and hillary is free so
lock her up, solitary, good bye!

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 7 December 2018 20:30 (six years ago)

I have noticed that Junior here has a habit of posting nonsense about me whenever the Mueller investigation heats up.

Please, keep it coming Jr - it’s definitely a “very, very large brain” idea to troll a member of a body that will have subpoena power in a month.

Have fun! https://t.co/oQ6MsdJYCk

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@Ocasio2018) December 7, 2018

resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 7 December 2018 20:31 (six years ago)

Michael Cohen (who I've never even met) was a total Loser whose television show called The Apprentice was garbage, and he had to have someone else write his book (Art of the Deal). He looks like a sack of orange crap and he's the worst 'president' America has ever had. Better off without him!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 7, 2018

vocabulary is just a way to sound samrter than you actually are (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 December 2018 20:32 (six years ago)

I understand people's delight in seeing AOC mock Shithead Junior, but in the end I fear it all just becomes noise.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 7 December 2018 20:42 (six years ago)

the trick is to do it well enough that it rises slightly above the noise and is widely noticed. trump, otoh, is the Phil Spector of noise.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 7 December 2018 20:44 (six years ago)

XPS Second tweet brings up Cohen's toadstool penis.

BTW, I was at Fry's the other day and they had a full dumpbin of Toad pillows (shaped like his head and hat) and ohhhhhh the mis-timing!

The Greta Van Gerwig (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 7 December 2018 20:45 (six years ago)

I understand people's delight in seeing AOC mock Shithead Junior, but in the end I fear it all just becomes noise.

Nothing I've ever seen you post has indicated that you understand delight, joy, pleasure, happiness...

grawlix (unperson), Friday, 7 December 2018 20:50 (six years ago)

such is the life of a mets fan

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 7 December 2018 20:56 (six years ago)

very untrue, unperson, you must've missed about 1200 posts

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 7 December 2018 20:56 (six years ago)

I love AOC but dunking on Junior just feels way too easy at this point

frogbs, Friday, 7 December 2018 20:58 (six years ago)

I think the mueller stuff today will be good

Trϵϵship, Friday, 7 December 2018 21:00 (six years ago)

yeah but she's so good at twitter that it's just part of the package i think.

that trump tweet on tillerson is objectively hilarious. i know we spend too much time on his tweets here and i'm guiltier than most but c'mon, that's one for the history books. good to know that when he hires "the best people" it doesn't mean they won't prove to be incompetent, lazy, and dumb as rocks.

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Friday, 7 December 2018 21:01 (six years ago)

no see that is what makes them the best people in the first place

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 December 2018 21:01 (six years ago)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/what-s-driving-toned-down-trump-n943611

this aged well! i look forward to reading it again when he acts like a big boy for 30 minutes sometime

The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 7 December 2018 21:02 (six years ago)

I have chosen one of the truly great business leaders of the world, Rex Tillerson, Chairman and CEO of ExxonMobil, to be Secretary of State.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 13, 2016


The thing I like best about Rex Tillerson is that he has vast experience at dealing successfully with all types of foreign governments.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 13, 2016

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 7 December 2018 21:04 (six years ago)

Bar one.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 December 2018 21:06 (six years ago)

NBC news is so incredibly stupid for writing that

frogbs, Friday, 7 December 2018 21:07 (six years ago)

a potato is allowed to change its "mind"

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 7 December 2018 21:08 (six years ago)

The 306 words Trump has written about Rex Tillerson on twitter: pic.twitter.com/doiMBiDwRx

— Aaron Bady (@zunguzungu) December 7, 2018

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 December 2018 21:10 (six years ago)

not quite ‘for sale: baby shoes, never worn’ but not bad

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 7 December 2018 21:14 (six years ago)

Heh, that was my first thought, too.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 December 2018 21:14 (six years ago)

what the fuck! it that NBC article from march 2017 or some shit? we are long past the time where dumb shit becomes "presidential"

prime example of the reality that if this asshole didn’t completely shit himself everyday the fake failing news media would be propping this guy up beyond belief.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 7 December 2018 21:14 (six years ago)

A good example of unreliable narrator, if ever saw one.

rb (soda), Friday, 7 December 2018 21:16 (six years ago)

Trump on Rex deserves to be in with the 2018 Bad Sex in Fiction nominees.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 December 2018 21:17 (six years ago)

ew

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 7 December 2018 21:21 (six years ago)

did y'all see the byline on that NBC story

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 December 2018 21:21 (six years ago)

Well in general it's because he shits himself so often that those few days where he doesn't are miracles by comparison.

xps

Evan, Friday, 7 December 2018 21:22 (six years ago)

“What was challenging for me coming from the disciplined, highly process-oriented ExxonMobil corporation,” Tillerson said, was “to go to work for a man who is pretty undisciplined, doesn’t like to read, doesn’t read briefing reports, doesn’t like to get into the details of a lot of things, but rather just kind of says, ‘This is what I believe.’”

Yeah, this was the moment Trump that decided Tillerson is undisciplined and lazy as hell

jmm, Friday, 7 December 2018 21:30 (six years ago)

*the moment that Trump decided

jmm, Friday, 7 December 2018 21:31 (six years ago)

what the fuck! it that NBC article from march 2017 or some shit? we are long past the time where dumb shit becomes "presidential"

prime example of the reality that if this asshole didn’t completely shit himself everyday the fake failing news media would be propping this guy up beyond belief.

― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, December 7, 2018 3:14 PM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

it was in fact from december 4 reacting to the fact that the president of the united states did not, in fact, stick his dick in the mashed potatoes at george hw bush's funeral

The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 7 December 2018 21:35 (six years ago)

is that a fact?

Evan, Friday, 7 December 2018 21:37 (six years ago)

Yeah he didn’t

Trϵϵship, Friday, 7 December 2018 21:37 (six years ago)

Also I don't think Trump is sexually attracted to Karl Rove

Evan, Friday, 7 December 2018 21:38 (six years ago)

I don’t know, Rove has a certain quality, like a cornered oppossum.

Trϵϵship, Friday, 7 December 2018 21:43 (six years ago)

turd blossom

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 December 2018 21:52 (six years ago)

This thread has taken a turn...

The Greta Van Gerwig (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 7 December 2018 21:56 (six years ago)

The 306 words about Rex read like a Statler & Waldorf skit

StanM, Friday, 7 December 2018 22:04 (six years ago)

hahaha

sleeve, Friday, 7 December 2018 22:05 (six years ago)

totally

sleeve, Friday, 7 December 2018 22:05 (six years ago)

let's run the country like a business ; )

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 7 December 2018 22:06 (six years ago)

"Federal prosecutors said in a new court filing that President Trump’s former lawyer Michael Cohen should spend significant time in prison — saying his assistance to investigators probing the president does not outweigh his past crimes."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/federal-prosecutors-recommend-substantial-prison-term-for-former-trump-lawyer-michael-cohen/2018/12/07/e144f248-f7f3-11e8-8c9a-860ce2a8148f_story.html?utm_term=.f965526d9158

Dan S, Friday, 7 December 2018 22:06 (six years ago)

here we go

sleeve, Friday, 7 December 2018 22:10 (six years ago)

wait, so he *didn't* have/give up the dirt on Trump? *sigh*

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 December 2018 22:11 (six years ago)

This is all for stuff done at trump’s instruction right? Not the taxi stuff?

Trϵϵship, Friday, 7 December 2018 22:11 (six years ago)

I would read it but i’m lazy and like to impose on people

Trϵϵship, Friday, 7 December 2018 22:12 (six years ago)

only according to Cohen, Trump denies it, there's no proof

sleeve, Friday, 7 December 2018 22:12 (six years ago)

aiui

sleeve, Friday, 7 December 2018 22:12 (six years ago)

“He seeks extraordinary leniency — a sentence of no jail time — based principally on his rose-colored view of the seriousness of the crimes; his claims to a sympathetic personal history; and his provision of certain information to law enforcement,” prosecutors wrote in their filing. “But the crimes committed by Cohen were more serious than his submission allows and were marked by a pattern of deception that permeated his professional life.”

The filing also suggests Cohen’s cooperation with law enforcement was not so significant to the investigations swirling around the president.
"To be clear: Cohen does not have a cooperation agreement and is not receiving a Section 5K1.1 letter either from this Office or (special counsel Robert S. Mueller III), and therefore is not properly described as a ‘cooperating witness,’ as that term is commonly used in this district.”

Karl Malone, Friday, 7 December 2018 22:13 (six years ago)

wait, so he *didn't* have/give up the dirt on Trump? *sigh*

― Οὖτις, Friday, December 7, 2018 5:11 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I first interpreted it as the crimes were too bad or too many to be completely forgiven despite the information he had. So opposite.

Which is it really?

Evan, Friday, 7 December 2018 22:14 (six years ago)

maybe his testimony is important as a corroborating account but they have other supporting evidence so it's not like it hinged on cohen? dunno

Karl Malone, Friday, 7 December 2018 22:14 (six years ago)

like, thanks for your testimony that booth shot lincoln, but it was a crowded theater

Karl Malone, Friday, 7 December 2018 22:15 (six years ago)

yeah that's what I thought, that "not so significant to the investigations" means they already had plenty of proof

Dan S, Friday, 7 December 2018 22:16 (six years ago)

The stormy daniels payments were proven to have been ordered by trump by that tape. And that seems to be one of the more serious charges (campaign finance stuff, misleading banks, etc)

Trϵϵship, Friday, 7 December 2018 22:17 (six years ago)

THREAD: What should we make of the conclusion by federal prosecutors in New York that Donald Trump directed Michael Cohen to commit a crime?

— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 7, 2018

He's probably not even mad.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 7 December 2018 22:17 (six years ago)

"In particular, and as Cohen himself has now admitted, with respect to both payments, he acted in coordination with and at the direction of Individual-1."

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 7 December 2018 22:20 (six years ago)

elsewhere they note Individual-1 was elected president, so this could be jimmy carter i suppose

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 7 December 2018 22:20 (six years ago)

hey, Carter only lusts in his heart!

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 December 2018 22:21 (six years ago)

the mueller memo too
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5453418-Mueller-Cohen-filing.html

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 7 December 2018 22:21 (six years ago)

hmm "information provided has been credible and consistent" = yeah they have other corroborating evidence

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 December 2018 22:24 (six years ago)

elsewhere they note Individual-1 was elected president, so this could be jimmy carter i suppose

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, December 7, 2018 2:20 PM (three minutes ago)

No way man, lock her up!

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 7 December 2018 22:25 (six years ago)

The defendant, without prompting by the SCO, also corrected other false and misleading statements that he had made concerning his outreach to and contacts with Russian officials during the course of the campaign. For example, in a radio interview in September 2015, the defendant suggested that Individual 1 meet with the President of Russia in New York City during his visit for the United Nations General Assembly. When asked previously about these events, the defendant claimed his public comments had been spontaneous and had not been discussed within the campaign or the Company. During his proffer sessions, the defendant admitted that this account was false and that he had in fact conferred with Individual 1 about contacting the Russian government before reaching out to gauge Russia’s interest in such a meeting. The meeting ultimately did not take place.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 7 December 2018 22:28 (six years ago)

xpost yeah, pundit and legal expert take away seems to be that mueller must be swimming in evidence.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 December 2018 22:30 (six years ago)

dibs on the moscow project as a queens nightclub name

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 7 December 2018 22:30 (six years ago)

prime example of the reality that if this asshole didn’t completely shit himself everyday the fake failing news media would be propping this guy up beyond belief.

otm x 100

frogbs, Friday, 7 December 2018 22:31 (six years ago)

Incredibly, based on some of the details being revealed, the Russia outreach to Trump Inc began at least as early as 2015 and continued, per references, though 2017/2018, which is pretty incredible. That means All throughout the campaign, when he talked about Russia or denied Russian involvement, they totally knew, and Russia was totally involved. That casts a shadow across everything, even stuff that seemed minor. Many suspected this stuff, but this confirms it, because Mueller is operating on evidence, not suspicions.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 December 2018 22:36 (six years ago)

Or, as being noted elsewhere, proof or indication that Trump has apparently committed many felonies of varying degrees, and if he was anyone other than President he'd be indicted.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 December 2018 22:39 (six years ago)

Now, DJTJ or others on the periphery ... they should probably be even more concerned than they were before.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 December 2018 22:39 (six years ago)

Jury finds James Fields guilty of first-degree murder of Heather Heyer. Guilty on 5 counts aggravated malicious wounding and 3 counts malicious wounding.

— C-VILLE Weekly (@cvillenews_desk) December 7, 2018

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 7 December 2018 22:41 (six years ago)

IANAL, does that mean life?

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 7 December 2018 22:41 (six years ago)

it seems like having a guilty plea in a sentencing deal that implicates Individual-1 would mean there has to be an indictment coming once that sentencing is complete... right? and then we're back to "can a sitting president be indicted" territory

xp

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 December 2018 22:43 (six years ago)

buzzkill: 'manafort filing to be mostly secret'

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/07/politics/paul-manafort-robert-mueller-donald-trump/index.html

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 7 December 2018 22:44 (six years ago)

he has another trial where he will be facing the death penalty (federal hate crime charge)

xp

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 December 2018 22:44 (six years ago)

Incredibly, based on some of the details being revealed, the Russia outreach to Trump Inc began at least as early as 2015

sans lep (sic), Friday, 7 December 2018 22:50 (six years ago)

I think it's a surprise not that he was dealing with Russians, but that it had a specifically political goal in mind, no?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 December 2018 22:52 (six years ago)

Hear me out: Valentine's Day cards... #Individual1 pic.twitter.com/K3cwSlrpaF

— Parker Molloy (@ParkerMolloy) December 7, 2018

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 7 December 2018 22:55 (six years ago)

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.190597/gov.uscourts.dcd.190597.460.0.pdf

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 December 2018 23:00 (six years ago)

someone had a pretty otm tweet last week about how the Russia stuff never gets better for him, it just increasingly gets worse and worse. pretty incredible really.

frogbs, Friday, 7 December 2018 23:01 (six years ago)

although Trump seems to see it a bit differently...

Totally clears the President. Thank you!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 7, 2018

frogbs, Friday, 7 December 2018 23:02 (six years ago)

When you've lost the Russians...

Senior members of the ruling United Russia party even regretted Trump’s victory, though Putin has dismissed the notion that a presidency of Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton would have averted the current frictions.

“It’s far worse than it would have been under Clinton,” said Frants Klintsevich, a senator who sits on United Russia’s governing council. “She’s an experienced politician and any of her actions would have been based on logic and some kind of discussion. Here we’re seeing huge swings in one direction and another.”

Putin’s foreign policy adviser, Yuri Ushakov, insisted there was “no offense taken” after the Kremlin had talked up the Argentina meeting only to be left embarrassed. Still, “We won’t beg the American side” for talks, he said.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 December 2018 23:02 (six years ago)

xpost That's what I've been saying, too. This shit has been going on for years - years! - and not only has not a single week has gone by without things looking worse, never, not once, have we learned anything exculpatory.

Which is to say, not only are the folks around Trump bad people, but I'm beginning to think he might not be a good person, either.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 December 2018 23:04 (six years ago)

I want to line up every person who favored the installation of DJT because they thought they had a firm grip on the Dipshit-Bot 5000 remote control (Putin, you can be first) and slap the living shit out of them, one-by-one.

vocabulary is just a way to sound samrter than you actually are (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 December 2018 23:11 (six years ago)

surely slapping is not harsh enough

how about stabbing

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 December 2018 23:12 (six years ago)

It is amusing how even the Russians seem to have underestimated his incompetent turdiness.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 December 2018 23:12 (six years ago)

this shit has been so obvious since day 1, the only shocking thing is that so few people have managed to convince so many others that it wasn't

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 7 December 2018 23:17 (six years ago)

Totally clears the President. Thank you!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 7, 2018

This is a creepy level of gaslighting

Trϵϵship, Friday, 7 December 2018 23:19 (six years ago)

"That Individual-1 guy, on the other hand..."

frogbs, Friday, 7 December 2018 23:22 (six years ago)

all the redacted stuff is about hillary and soetero, right?

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 7 December 2018 23:22 (six years ago)

The aforementioned felony is not related to Russia though, it's about DJT directing Cohen to use his campaign finances for the payouts of hush money... which he (and now obviously Rudy) lied about several times in public as well as most likely in writing to the SCO.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 7 December 2018 23:22 (six years ago)

xxxpost What does he have to lose by positing the polar opposite of reality at this point, really.

vocabulary is just a way to sound samrter than you actually are (Old Lunch), Friday, 7 December 2018 23:23 (six years ago)

Like wtf the charges were all for crimes either carried out on trump’s behalf or ordered by trump

Trϵϵship, Friday, 7 December 2018 23:23 (six years ago)

lmao

(@Metamucil sponsored Tweet) https://t.co/HG7jl4Wpp0

— Patton Oswalt (@pattonoswalt) December 7, 2018

frogbs, Friday, 7 December 2018 23:23 (six years ago)

OL otm. Compulsive lying, even when it's to a laughable degree vs reality, has gotten this man to be a "billionaire" world leader.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 7 December 2018 23:25 (six years ago)

What does he have to lose by positing the polar opposite of reality at this point, really.

Climate change. Inauguration sizes. Central Park Five. Trump properties are classy. Long fingers.

sans lep (sic), Friday, 7 December 2018 23:35 (six years ago)

Friday night

Karl Malone, Friday, 7 December 2018 23:43 (six years ago)

when a fairly consistent 40+% of Americans (with a substantial electoral advantage, no less) are sticking w him literally no matter what he does or says why would he change course?

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Friday, 7 December 2018 23:47 (six years ago)

^^^

sleeve, Friday, 7 December 2018 23:50 (six years ago)

and 98% of Republicans afaict

sleeve, Friday, 7 December 2018 23:51 (six years ago)

yep. honestly doing anything differently than declaring his innocence and loudly dumping all over the investigation and anyone who supports it would be one of the *actual* dumbest things he could do. and this is a guy who is fucking dumb & loves doing dumb shit. but even he (or enough ppl in his ear) seems to know the hand he's got.

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Friday, 7 December 2018 23:59 (six years ago)

Ever since his “shoot someone on 5th ave” comment

Evan, Saturday, 8 December 2018 00:03 (six years ago)

which honestly i'd support as long as it's one of his shitty kids or son-in-law

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Saturday, 8 December 2018 00:08 (six years ago)

if he shot someone could he be indicted

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 8 December 2018 00:09 (six years ago)

i think it's extremely dumb that cohen will go to jail for stuff trump ordered him to do and trump remains the fucking president

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 8 December 2018 00:09 (six years ago)

One of the less dumb things he could try is shutting the fuck up about an active investigation.

Karl Malone, Saturday, 8 December 2018 00:10 (six years ago)

I'm increasingly thinking most of this won't come to a legal conclusion until well after he's out office

in which case maybe he'll be begging AOC for a pardon in 2024 lol

Οὖτις, Saturday, 8 December 2018 00:10 (six years ago)

I doubt the Supreme Court will entirely defend him either, although there are likely to be some exceptionally narrow pro-Trump rulings that will enable them to avoid setting precedent for when they want to nail a Democratic president to the wall

Οὖτις, Saturday, 8 December 2018 00:11 (six years ago)

i think it's extremely dumb that cohen will go to jail for stuff trump ordered him to do and trump remains the fucking president

remember the Access Hollywood tape, when the guy bragging about committing sexual assault went on to become President and the guy who was nervously laughing alongside him lost his job and effectively ruined his career

frogbs, Saturday, 8 December 2018 00:14 (six years ago)

rip billy hw bush

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 8 December 2018 00:15 (six years ago)

Delicious ratio. Even the bots can't help

Totally clears the President. Thank you!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 7, 2018

(•̪●) (carne asada), Saturday, 8 December 2018 00:24 (six years ago)

the trend toward third person has been fun to watch

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 8 December 2018 00:26 (six years ago)

I love that his death is literally going to be a national holiday.

epistantophus, Saturday, 8 December 2018 01:17 (six years ago)

if he shot someone could he be indicted

he could be impeached and it's hard to imagine he wouldn't be. then he could be indicted, convicted and imprisoned. in theory.

shooting someone would, paradoxically, fall more under the "misdemeanors" criterion than the "high crimes" one, if you were using a Scalia-like interpretation of the constitution, based on how the framers would have interpreted that language.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 8 December 2018 01:17 (six years ago)

it's hard to imagine he wouldn't be.

let's be real, with this Senate it would depend entirely on who he shot

Οὖτις, Saturday, 8 December 2018 01:26 (six years ago)

like if he shot Dick Cheney in the face, by accident, maaaaaaaaaaaaybe

if he shot a random black guy, he'd be safe

Οὖτις, Saturday, 8 December 2018 01:26 (six years ago)

Think it’s more likely that Cheney will shoot Trump in the face tbh

Karl Malone, Saturday, 8 December 2018 01:36 (six years ago)

That’s kind of his thing

Karl Malone, Saturday, 8 December 2018 01:36 (six years ago)

he could be impeached and it's hard to imagine he wouldn't be. then he could be indicted, convicted and imprisoned. in theory.

i'd like to believe this but i honestly don't know

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 8 December 2018 01:39 (six years ago)

at least we're all collectively learning to manage our expectations

check the replies

In prior eras, if the Justice Department wrote in a public filing that the President of the United States directed someone to commit a serious crime, that could mean the end of that Administration.

Tomorrow will any Congressional Republicans have the integrity to do *anything*?

— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 8, 2018

Karl Malone, Saturday, 8 December 2018 01:41 (six years ago)

yeah this is officially at nixon level now

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 8 December 2018 01:44 (six years ago)

Like Trump could handle a whole gun with those hands...

The Greta Van Gerwig (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 8 December 2018 01:44 (six years ago)

Trump will serve out his entire term.

frogbs, Saturday, 8 December 2018 01:47 (six years ago)

Nixon had to face large Democratic majorities in the House and Senate. If he'd faced the 2016 or 2018 situation, there probably wouldn't have been a resignation.

louise ck (milo z), Saturday, 8 December 2018 01:48 (six years ago)

Nixon didn’t have as significant propaganda extension of his messaging

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Saturday, 8 December 2018 02:02 (six years ago)

Inspiring reminder: In America anyone can grow up and become Individual-1

— Preet Bharara (@PreetBharara) December 8, 2018

j., Saturday, 8 December 2018 04:16 (six years ago)

ahahahahaha

Looks like George Papadopoulos's wife forgot to switch accounts before posting. Quickly deleted this tweet. pic.twitter.com/GpGpTD17lG

— Will Sommer (@willsommer) December 8, 2018

global tetrahedron, Saturday, 8 December 2018 05:15 (six years ago)

Its so sad when people do this

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 8 December 2018 05:18 (six years ago)

when it's these people, it's funny and should continue

global tetrahedron, Saturday, 8 December 2018 05:28 (six years ago)

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/12/ammon-bundy-quits-militia-movement-defends-migrant-caravan.html

So, this being 2018, Bundy naturally just disavowed the militia movement in solidarity with the migrant caravan, suggested that nationalism is actually the opposite of patriotism, and said that Trump’s America resembles nothing so much as 1930s Germany.

j., Saturday, 8 December 2018 06:00 (six years ago)

My head hurts

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Saturday, 8 December 2018 06:43 (six years ago)

I'll take it, they were anti-gov't from the start and maybe he got a clue

sleeve, Saturday, 8 December 2018 07:25 (six years ago)

To steal a sentiment, Ammon now has better politics on this issue than Angela Nagle and Hillary Clinton.

resident hack (Simon H.), Saturday, 8 December 2018 07:33 (six years ago)

ha, probably gonna steal that myself

sleeve, Saturday, 8 December 2018 07:44 (six years ago)

Trump will serve out his entire term.


Over the past few weeks it seems like he doesn’t even want that to happen and it’s only getting worse.

I’m weighing what’s ultimately better: riding out two more pathetically deflated, ineffectual years with the idiot king ending his reign in total farting humiliation and sinking the right in the process but coupled with very real damage VS. impeachment that makes him some martyr at the hands of the “Deep State” that keeps the idiot right’s narrative chugging.

circa1916, Saturday, 8 December 2018 08:22 (six years ago)

Impeachment is a terrible idea.

louise ck (milo z), Saturday, 8 December 2018 09:49 (six years ago)

Probably. The question is, what to do if the final details come out and he has committed undeniably impeachable offenses, like money laundering for the Russian mob and explicit bribery and stuff like that. And Republicans still don't want to do anything. What is the plan then?

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 8 December 2018 12:55 (six years ago)

Nothing. That's been my stance since May 2017. The Democrats, however, control the House. At best they make his life miserable until 2020.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 December 2018 13:02 (six years ago)

Some people will write absolutely anything to stay in print.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dt5dv8JWwAAXlhM.jpg

grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 8 December 2018 13:52 (six years ago)

semi-hot take!

jmm, Saturday, 8 December 2018 13:58 (six years ago)

Look, anything that serves to cover up that viscous mug as much as possible is a gift to humanity. I encourage the media to reinforce this behavior.

vocabulary is just a way to sound samrter than you actually are (Old Lunch), Saturday, 8 December 2018 14:02 (six years ago)

sorry libs, ted cruz is fuckable now

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 8 December 2018 14:04 (six years ago)

What, did some strange new orifice suddenly erupt from his squamous hide or something?

vocabulary is just a way to sound samrter than you actually are (Old Lunch), Saturday, 8 December 2018 14:09 (six years ago)

wake me when he does a full Letterman / Stipe beard.

Brian Oenophile (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 8 December 2018 14:10 (six years ago)

The Cruz beard is also a good argument for free-market economics.

Why am I reading this?

jmm, Saturday, 8 December 2018 14:10 (six years ago)

What, did some strange new orifice suddenly erupt from his squamous hide or something?


ted cruzenberg

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Saturday, 8 December 2018 14:12 (six years ago)

Impeachment is a terrible idea.
― louise ck (milo z), Saturday, December 8, 2018 4:49 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I understand (though disagree with) the idea that *talking* impeachment before the report is complete is a terrible idea. But why is impeachment a terrible idea?

Because it may alienate some imaginary centrists? Voters capable of objecting to impeachment when this laundry list of crimes is made public are not persuadable. Even the worst-case scenario, in which a Republican senate votes not to convict, is politically advantageous. They'll have to campaign on that!

Anyway it will be incumbent on the House to proceed with impeachment. The guy's a criminal.

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 8 December 2018 14:16 (six years ago)

Impressive work gluing all the hairs to his rubber bank robber mask.

Evan, Saturday, 8 December 2018 14:16 (six years ago)

I’m 34 and it’s hard not be cynical. Nothing will happen. Trump will serve his entire term and run again.

The Iraq War
Torture
The Financical Crisis

No one faced consequences. Why will this time be different? I have 0 faith in our justice system to prosecute people in power (or with sufficient political or economic capital).

Allen (etaeoe), Saturday, 8 December 2018 15:02 (six years ago)

ONe of the North Carolina Republican election board (or something to that effect) was on Chris Hayes a couple of nights ago talking about the near future and said i n passing the second half of the Pence incumbency. Didn't highlight it or otherwise bring attention to it.
Would have thought it was a trump supporter, may just find out it was a never-Trumper but I thought somebody like that making a comment like that as though it was expected was interesting.

So wondering if that indicates lack of support in teh Republican party.

Stevolende, Saturday, 8 December 2018 15:04 (six years ago)

Impeachment is a terrible idea.
― louise ck (milo z), Saturday, December 8, 2018 4:49 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

impeachment is not feasible with a republican controlled senate but OF COURSE it's a good idea. donald trump is not a stable or normal person and he should not be anywhere near the levers of power.

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 8 December 2018 15:06 (six years ago)

like what the fuck. if there is a way to get him out it needs to be done, deal with the consequences later.

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 8 December 2018 15:06 (six years ago)

He's just going to bomb something when it gets really bad - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rally_%27round_the_flag_effect

StanM, Saturday, 8 December 2018 15:09 (six years ago)

free michael cohen! lock her up!

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 8 December 2018 15:40 (six years ago)

free the tax returns!

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 December 2018 15:48 (six years ago)

I don’t know if it’s a good idea for the Dems to pretend that the fascist president hasn’t committed impeachable offenses.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Saturday, 8 December 2018 15:49 (six years ago)

i feel like if he were that canny the dog wagging would have already begun xxxp

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 8 December 2018 16:22 (six years ago)

the house should run the table with investigations, then impeach in late 2019 or early 2020 -- when the senate shoots it down it's a fucking gift to the next campaign cycle

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 8 December 2018 16:23 (six years ago)

like I mean if you have to wait for everything to be idyllic in Congress to consider impeaching a President, then we're pretty much fucked.

the entire mechanism was designed to be almost impossible, even if you control both houses. the blowback in the Clinton case was excess focus well outside of scope, blowjobs, stained dresses, the meaning of the word "is", the amount of time devoted to it.

This is a President directing people to commit federal crimes, in addition to obstructing justice in Nixonian fashion and, in all likelihood, being compromised by a foreign actor.

At least if impeachment is unsuccessful it puts him through Hell for a while and maybe he dies of a heart attack. I opposed it earlier but hey, maybe we learn from the Republicans sacrificing branches of Government for bigger gains long-term.

The public will only be convinced by a smoking gun tape that will never exist because they watch too much crime TV where everybody confesses at the end of the ep.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 8 December 2018 16:25 (six years ago)

or what Hoos said.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 8 December 2018 16:25 (six years ago)

tbf the Clinton indictment alleged that the president "made false and misleading statements to potential witnesses in a Federal grand jury proceeding in order to corruptly influence the testimony of those witnesses.”

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 December 2018 16:28 (six years ago)

the house should run the table with investigations, then impeach in late 2019 or early 2020 -- when the senate shoots it down it's a fucking gift to the next campaign cycle

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, December 8, 2018 11:23 AM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

👍

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 8 December 2018 16:32 (six years ago)

"Trump brand now toxic in Putin's Kremlin" :(

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/08/europe/russia-putin-trump-bromance-intl/index.html

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 8 December 2018 16:43 (six years ago)

Hope he leaks the tape now

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 8 December 2018 17:17 (six years ago)

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/06/upshot/wisconsin-republicans-rural-urban-voters.html

story abt wisconsin by EMILY BADGER

“If you took Madison and Milwaukee out of the state election formula, we would have a clear majority,” he said. “We would have all five constitutional officers and we would probably have many more seats in the Legislature.”

This is most likely true, depending on how you define Madison and Milwaukee. But it’s an odd point to make, given that Madison and Milwaukee can’t be removed from Wisconsin. Nor Detroit from Michigan, nor Pittsburgh and Philadelphia from Pennsylvania, nor Raleigh and Charlotte from North Carolina.

j., Saturday, 8 December 2018 17:37 (six years ago)

Very sad day & night in Paris. Maybe it’s time to end the ridiculous and extremely expensive Paris Agreement and return money back to the people in the form of lower taxes? The U.S. was way ahead of the curve on that and the only major country where emissions went down last year!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 8, 2018

He literally thinks this agreement was written by the French

frogbs, Saturday, 8 December 2018 17:44 (six years ago)

it’s an odd point to make

Not politically speaking. It is just more 'wedge politics' and is no different than Sarah Palin always talking about 'the real America and real Americans' in 2008, which pointedly did not include citizens who live in big cities. Suburbs are OK, because they skew toward the white middle class, but big cities are vipers' nests of minorities and liberals (i.e. second-class citizens, barely human when you think about it.) This attitude among rural Republicans is also what promotes and protects gerrymandering.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 8 December 2018 17:45 (six years ago)

I think we're going to find a lot of Russian "active measures" when the autopsy of the French protests is done.

Sanpaku, Saturday, 8 December 2018 17:58 (six years ago)

Yes, the French are famous for their hesitance to riot.

resident hack (Simon H.), Saturday, 8 December 2018 18:08 (six years ago)

Russia doesn't create fissures. It takes advantage of them.

Sanpaku, Saturday, 8 December 2018 18:15 (six years ago)

a lot of people don't realize that gucci spearheaded these protests earlier this summer

When you watch les gillets jaunes smashing boutique windows today, do take a moment to remember Gucci's choice, just 5 months ago, to market a luxury clothing collection with a mocking reappropriation of the aesthetics of the May 68 student protests in Paris pic.twitter.com/Sv9tIp1Jjm

— ཊལབསརངཧ (@David_Rudnick) December 8, 2018

Karl Malone, Saturday, 8 December 2018 18:36 (six years ago)

lol

Dan S, Saturday, 8 December 2018 18:50 (six years ago)

Russia doesn't create fissures. It takes advantage of them.

― Sanpaku, Saturday, December 8, 2018 6:15 PM (fifty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

They learned from the best, after all. I wouldn't be surprised to discover the troll farms had a hand in goosing these protests, but as you say, they only work with what's already there. I'm skeptical of thinking of their influence as decisive.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Saturday, 8 December 2018 19:09 (six years ago)

kelly (finally) out

mookieproof, Saturday, 8 December 2018 19:48 (six years ago)

Christ, Priebus feels so long ago it took me more than a minute to remember he's who Kelly replaced.

Fetchboy, Saturday, 8 December 2018 19:52 (six years ago)

3 Chief of Staffs in less than 3 years of being President: Part of the reason why @BarackObama can't manage to pass his agenda.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 10, 2012

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 8 December 2018 20:03 (six years ago)

Mooch back in?

nashwan, Saturday, 8 December 2018 21:12 (six years ago)

Jared

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Saturday, 8 December 2018 21:13 (six years ago)

So our guy has nicknamed Richard Blumenthal “the Dick”

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 8 December 2018 22:23 (six years ago)

Rick the Dick

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 8 December 2018 22:26 (six years ago)

These tweets are once again super unhinged and bizarre

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 8 December 2018 22:27 (six years ago)

Not happy with this situation

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 8 December 2018 22:28 (six years ago)

oh my god trey gowdy is such an idiot

Mr. Gowdy. When you say "lying," I generally think of an intent to deceive as opposed to someone just uttering a false statement.
Mr. Comey. Sure.
Mr. Gowdy. Is it possible to utter a false statement without it being lying?
Mr. Comey. I can't answer -- that's a philosophical question I can't answer.
Mr. Gowdy. No, I mean, if I said, "Hey, look, I hope you had a great day yesterday on Tuesday," that's demonstrably false.
Mr. Comey. That's an expression of opinion.
Mr. Gowdy. No, it's a fact that yesterday was --
Mr. Comey. You hope I have a great day --
Mr. Gowdy. No, no, no, yesterday was not Tuesday.
Mr. Comey. Oh, see, I didn't even know that. Yeah.
Mr. Gowdy. So is it possible to make a false statement without having the intent to deceive?
Mr. Comey. Yes.
Mr. Gowdy. All right. Is making a false statement without the intent to deceive a crime?
Mr. Comey. I don't know. I can't answer that without thinking better about it.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/420413-read-transcript-of-comeys-interview-before-house-lawmakers

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 8 December 2018 23:55 (six years ago)

re the impeachment stuff, i think this is an interesting point:

Yep. If Trump were unpopular enough to not just be impeached but also *removed* from office, Democrats would rather run against him. https://t.co/dgpxl5ucLU

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) December 4, 2018

This is also why, to the extent Trump faces impeachment/removal risk, it may be more concentrated in 2019 than 2020. If it gets really bad, Republicans *might* think there's a window to remove him, nominate a different candidate, and cut their losses.

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) December 4, 2018

like if there's a danger impeachment might actually work, there's a cynical argument in 2020 for not doing it

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 9 December 2018 00:01 (six years ago)

a stupid argument

Trϵϵship, Sunday, 9 December 2018 00:21 (six years ago)

increasing dems' odds in 2020 isn't the only thing that matters. it's inherently bad and dangerous to have an unhinged racist sociopath in the oval office. mike pence would not be better politically but trump is more than a political threat. the damage he's done and is doing to the fabric of the country is incalculable.

Trϵϵship, Sunday, 9 December 2018 00:23 (six years ago)

Would serving as president give Pence enough of a boost that he could win the primary? Would that be good or bad in the general?

nickn, Sunday, 9 December 2018 00:24 (six years ago)

i think it's the wrong way of thinking. we already know democrats are bad at scheming. they should fight principled fights and the fact is that trump has no business being president.

Trϵϵship, Sunday, 9 December 2018 00:25 (six years ago)

i'm not in charge of these decisions anyway so it doesn't matter, but i think the democrats would be morons if they had the chance to end this circus early and didn't take it.

Trϵϵship, Sunday, 9 December 2018 00:28 (six years ago)

there's a cynical argument in 2020 for not doing it

Nothing requires the Republicans to nominate Trump in 2020, especially if he's so unpopular that he couldn't win. So, Nate Silver is just blowing smoke rings to amuse himself.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 9 December 2018 00:45 (six years ago)

i don't think he's suggesting a tactical non-impeachment is likely, or even something the democrats should do.

it's just another thing on the list of pluses/minuses for who impeachment/non-impeachment might benefit, depending on its timing.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 9 December 2018 04:40 (six years ago)

we already know democrats are bad at scheming. they should fight principled fights and the fact is that trump has no business being president.

they’re bad at fighting principled fights too. they might as well fight the battle that’s actually going on rather than starting another one on a different field that even they won’t turn up to.

sans lep (sic), Sunday, 9 December 2018 08:47 (six years ago)

Pence is just Trump without the cult of personality. I think he’d be easier to beat.

frogbs, Sunday, 9 December 2018 15:48 (six years ago)

oh this argument again!

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 9 December 2018 15:50 (six years ago)

That's my wager too. Even his own Repulican legislature got sick of him as Governor of Indiana.

fajita seas, Sunday, 9 December 2018 15:50 (six years ago)

Last time a presidential incumbent seeking another term wasn't nominated by his party: Chester A. Arthur in 1884.
Last time a presidential incumbent elected to the office and seeking another term wasn't nominated by his party: Franklin Pierce in 1856.

Sanpaku, Sunday, 9 December 2018 15:51 (six years ago)

seems like a long time for you but when you get to be my age

Trϵϵship, Sunday, 9 December 2018 16:10 (six years ago)

Last time everybody was wrong about the presidential election: 2016

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 9 December 2018 16:34 (six years ago)

Morbs otm

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 9 December 2018 16:57 (six years ago)

A pool boy and Jerry Falwell, Jr.:

nfluential evangelical leader and Donald Trump backer Jerry Falwell Jr. went into business with a young pool attendant he and his wife met while staying at a luxury hotel in Miami Beach, according to a lawsuit filed in Miami-Dade County.

The suit, which has not been previously reported, was brought by a father and son who claim that after they helped conceive of the business, the pool attendant and Falwell wrongly cut them out of it. The suit says that while Falwell Jr. and his wife were guests at the Fontainebleau Miami Beach in 2012, they developed a “friendly relationship” with the pool attendant, Giancarlo Granda; flew Granda in a private jet; and eventually backed him in a business venture, setting up a hostel that offers low-cost dorm-style nightly accommodations to visitors. The pool attendant, according to public records databases, was 21 when he met the Falwells.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/aramroston/jerry-falwell-jr-michael-cohen-pool-attendant-lawsuit

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 9 December 2018 18:10 (six years ago)

Like so many things from the last two years, a bit on the nose

The Poppy Bush AutoZone (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 9 December 2018 18:15 (six years ago)

who among us has not tried to help out the pool boy

Karl Malone, Sunday, 9 December 2018 18:22 (six years ago)

great site admin pool boy

crüt, Sunday, 9 December 2018 19:38 (six years ago)

the word ‘conceive’ seems to be hinting at more than just the birthing of a crackerjack business to me

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Sunday, 9 December 2018 19:39 (six years ago)

Academics and writers are going to have to be much crisper about discussing the involvement of online disinformation in real-world events. The Russian trolls love to draft behind legitimate movements; IRA pushed #BlackLivesMatter, that doesn’t invalidate BLM’s legit issues. https://t.co/Rexf25PtxZ

— Alex Stamos (@alexstamos) December 8, 2018

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 9 December 2018 19:41 (six years ago)

Effective propaganda has always taken advantage of whatever strongly motivates its target audience and then harnesses that motivation as a means to its own ends. The amount of disinformation included is just enough to direct the energy into the desired course. A good propagandist uses accepted truth and facts wherever possible, because that lends legitimacy to the entirety of the contents.

This stuff is all elementary and everyone in the media ought to know it before they toddle into their first assignment.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 9 December 2018 20:02 (six years ago)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ayers-not-taking-job-as-white-house-chief-of-staff/ar-BBQIS0X?ocid=spartanntp

Trumpie couldn't even get this right.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Sunday, 9 December 2018 22:28 (six years ago)

This stuff is all elementary and everyone in the media ought to know it before they toddle into their first assignment.

― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, December 9, 2018 8:02 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

But do they know it's Christmas

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 10 December 2018 01:25 (six years ago)

narrator: maybe?

gbx, Monday, 10 December 2018 01:55 (six years ago)

Not sure if this will embed but tommorow oughta be interesting.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BrL2FjyhqBO/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=rr7t666croxy

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 10 December 2018 02:44 (six years ago)

Smock weed every day iirc

(•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 10 December 2018 14:28 (six years ago)

good morning!

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 December 2018 14:37 (six years ago)

"Smocking Gun" is my favorite Robert Cray jam...

The Greta Van Gerwig (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 10 December 2018 14:40 (six years ago)

Our president and his brain worms

No Smockin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 10 December 2018 14:54 (six years ago)

The brain worms are what his fans love about him!

big crime for a SPECIAL WHATEVER (voodoo chili), Monday, 10 December 2018 14:55 (six years ago)

Smocking guns would come in very handy for unsmocked art teachers whose hands are already covered in paint, wishing Dems luck in their continued search.

vocabulary is just a way to sound samrter than you actually are (Old Lunch), Monday, 10 December 2018 15:00 (six years ago)

Just, again: I hate that I have to be alive during this particular stretch of the human experience. I wonder how much it costs to have a coma induced upon oneself.

vocabulary is just a way to sound samrter than you actually are (Old Lunch), Monday, 10 December 2018 15:02 (six years ago)

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0d/30/d2/0d30d29de50542a19b6099a66f971b96.png

jmm, Monday, 10 December 2018 15:04 (six years ago)

ffs that wasnt even i typo he misspelled it twice, he for reals can't spell smoking .

(•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 10 December 2018 15:05 (six years ago)

Found this v helpful.

https://sewguide.com/smocking/

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 10 December 2018 15:06 (six years ago)

My mom used to be super into that. All my handmade dresses had smocked front panels for a while.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Monday, 10 December 2018 15:12 (six years ago)

Just, again: I hate that I have to be alive during this particular stretch of the human experience. I wonder how much it costs to have a coma induced upon oneself.

look on the bright side: there's a pretty good chance that when you're revived the world will be worse than when you went under

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 10 December 2018 15:14 (six years ago)

The world could always be worse. I just shudder to think that it could somehow be stupider.

vocabulary is just a way to sound samrter than you actually are (Old Lunch), Monday, 10 December 2018 15:25 (six years ago)

https://i.imgur.com/We9qIq2.jpg

7D tic tac toe

The brain worms are what his fans love about him!

― big crime for a SPECIAL WHATEVER (voodoo chili),

(•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 10 December 2018 15:25 (six years ago)

Unreal

No Smockin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 10 December 2018 15:41 (six years ago)

thanks obama

Top Obama aides are running the health care front group aiming to kill Medicare for All. https://t.co/21Nb89tQJM

— Matt Stoller (@matthewstoller) December 10, 2018

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 10 December 2018 15:53 (six years ago)

Butina to flip, per court filing

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) December 10, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 10 December 2018 15:55 (six years ago)

i don't know who that is

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 10 December 2018 15:59 (six years ago)

ah yes now i remember

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 10 December 2018 16:04 (six years ago)

She's big, because she could further hurt the (failing?) NRA.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 10 December 2018 16:19 (six years ago)

yes

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 10 December 2018 16:24 (six years ago)

The possibility of someday watching the NRA implode may be worth staying out of a coma for.

vocabulary is just a way to sound samrter than you actually are (Old Lunch), Monday, 10 December 2018 16:28 (six years ago)

i just remembered oliver north is the president of the nra

what a country

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 10 December 2018 16:31 (six years ago)

Butina was prosecuted by U.S. attorney’s office in Washington, rather than special counsel Robert S. Mueller III — an indication that Mueller may have determined that her activities did not directly connect to his investigation, which involves scrutinizing any links between Russia and President Trump’s campaign.

Οὖτις, Monday, 10 December 2018 16:37 (six years ago)

is it wrong that I am kinda hoping for an economic crash in terms of how that will affect Trump's political fortunes and global GHG emissions

Οὖτις, Monday, 10 December 2018 16:52 (six years ago)

I have a tab open every day this past week to watch the dow fall it kinda sucks but what can u do

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 10 December 2018 16:53 (six years ago)

boy, POLITICO doesn't miss a shot to frame stories establishment vs insurgents, eh

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 December 2018 16:54 (six years ago)

Roberts and Kavanaugh vote against allowing states to cut off PP funding

timellison, Monday, 10 December 2018 16:54 (six years ago)

that's... not what happened

Οὖτις, Monday, 10 December 2018 16:57 (six years ago)

Chief Justice John Roberts and the newest justice, Brett Kavanaugh, joined the court's four liberal jurists in turning away a pair of petitions from Kansas and Louisiana seeking the ban on abortion providers.

Οὖτις, Monday, 10 December 2018 16:57 (six years ago)

Did I phrase it wrong? lol

timellison, Monday, 10 December 2018 16:58 (six years ago)

idk I guess it was ambiguous to me, nm

Οὖτις, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:00 (six years ago)

that's... a pleasant surprise?

sleeve, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:01 (six years ago)

In the most positive sense of the utterance, I must ask...WTF?

vocabulary is just a way to sound samrter than you actually are (Old Lunch), Monday, 10 December 2018 17:03 (six years ago)

Thomas wrote a dissent for the three conservatives, saying the court isn't doing its job.

"What explains the Court's refusal to do its job here?" Thomas wrote.

"I suspect it has something to do with the fact that some respondents in these cases are named Planned Parenthood," he wrote.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 December 2018 17:04 (six years ago)

I suspect it does.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 December 2018 17:04 (six years ago)

I suspect Roberts and Kavanaugh either didn't think this case merited the controversy it would engender, or thought there was some more important legal principle at stake (standing, I would guess?)

Οὖτις, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:06 (six years ago)

my theory is that Kavanaugh is a clueless entitled dudebro pig but still has some sort of moral pulse (maybe cuz he got shook so bad in the hearings, just theory), whereas Thomas is genuinely evil. but as per Outic, Roberts & Kavanaugh may have had some other nefarious agenda here.

sleeve, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:08 (six years ago)

maybe Kavanaugh got advice from his frat buddies

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 December 2018 17:09 (six years ago)

idk if its nefarious necessarily it's just that the law and legal reasoning is often different from political reasoning, because if you, say, blatantly override precedent or established principles all the time, then the entire legal system completely falls apart, and if there's anything the three branches of federal government have in common it's that they all tend to jealously guard their perogatives/power.

Οὖτις, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:11 (six years ago)

i haven't been following anti-abortion legal strategy too much, but i assume there are many, various ways they are trying to attack?

my first thought when reading that kavanaugh sided with the liberals (and roberts) is that he's waiting for a more powerful attack to come before the SC. that way he can vote to make it harder to get an abortion while having a "pro-choice" vote in his past, giving him a veneer of ...what is it...oh yeah, a judicial temperament

Karl Malone, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:15 (six years ago)

In February, the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a lower court ruling that Kansas was wrong to to end Planned Parenthood’s Medicaid funding, writing that states can’t cut off funding for reasons “unrelated to the provider’s competence and the quality of the healthcare it provides.” Four other appeals courts have ruled that Medicaid patients have the right to access the provider of their choice.

But the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals has held that states do have the right to terminate a provider’s Medicaid contract and that residents have no right to challenge that decision.

The Supreme Court's action Monday allows the split decisions to stand in different federal circuits. Thomas, in his dissent, wrote that the Supreme Court should have taken the cases to resolve conflicting findings from lower courts.

timellison, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:17 (six years ago)

is it wrong that I am kinda hoping for an economic crash in terms of how that will affect Trump's political fortunes and global GHG emissions

― Οὖτις, Monday, December 10, 2018 8:52 AM

I'm going with yes. the pain from an economic crash falls on the just and the unjust alike, and disproportionately harms the powerless.

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 10 December 2018 17:19 (six years ago)

so not exactly win-win

xp

Οὖτις, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:19 (six years ago)

hate to quote myself online but

I have organized & supported & attended a lot of direct actions over the years, and not once have I seen a target come out to an assembled crowd and happily acquiesce to a clear demand like this. Something remarkable is happening. https://t.co/dFuynhlVUL #GreenNewDeal

— justin jacoby smith (@hoosteen) December 10, 2018

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:21 (six years ago)

the pain from an economic crash falls on the just and the unjust alike

'08 taught us this is simply not the case.

resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 10 December 2018 17:25 (six years ago)

he pain from an economic crash falls on the just and the unjust alike, and disproportionately harms the powerless.

Yeah, I'm leery of burn-it-all-down rhetoric from any side because it's pretty much always the most vulnerable people who get hurt the worst in any upheaval.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 10 December 2018 17:25 (six years ago)

'08 taught us this is simply not the case.

― resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, December 10, 2018

love you boo but i'm not even going to pretend to hear this, esp given your revision of the quoted sentence

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 10 December 2018 17:29 (six years ago)

hoos that is AWESOME

Karl Malone, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:30 (six years ago)

^OTM

rob, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:33 (six years ago)

that is awesome hoos

maura, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:35 (six years ago)

HOOS streets

resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 10 December 2018 17:38 (six years ago)

awesome!

from his roots driving cab on staten island to the corridors of power...the american dream

No Smockin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 10 December 2018 17:41 (six years ago)

lol

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 10 December 2018 17:47 (six years ago)

For that we have to go back to the late 2017 federal disclosure filings that showed Ayers, a 36 year old man with no apparent inherited wealth, was worth between $12.2 and $54.8 million.

Most or all of that money appears to come out of Ayers’ work as a campaign operative in the increasingly lucrative world of dark money politics. There are lots of ways a guy like Ayers gets that money. But the central one is TV advertising. If you control the ad budgets, you get a large slice of the cash for yourself, usually by owning or having a stake in the company that the campaign has place the ads. Reporting from Axios and other outlets last night says that Ayers is planning to run the main pro-Trump outside group America First, which he helped found last year. It seems like it was that gig that made Ayers refuse to give Trump more than a three month commitment.

Put it all together and you see that Ayers is a guy who has already accumulated a staggering personal fortune on political work. Given the inherently lucrative nature of that kind of work and the nose-bleed high tolerance for corruption in the Trump world, running the big unregulated money stream for the President’s reelection campaign is an opportunity to rake in an almost unimaginable amount of money. In perfectly Trumpian fashion, Ayers appears to have stiffed his boss in a richly humiliating way so that he could cash in big time on his name and political movement.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/fast-times-in-user-land

campaign finance reform NOW

Karl Malone, Monday, 10 December 2018 19:44 (six years ago)

. . . why does that post never use his first name lol

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 10 December 2018 19:46 (six years ago)

so Judge Ayers looks like young Justice Kavanaugh

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 December 2018 19:46 (six years ago)

how nice would it be if free-market campaign ads were BANNED and instead there was just a website where each candidate would be allowed to post TWO (2) one-minute long videos + a 3-page PDF laying out their case? that's it. no racist robo-calls, no multi-million ad buys by outsider groups, no targeted glossy mailers, no letters that look like parking ticket violations that are actually from ted cruz. just one fucking website

Karl Malone, Monday, 10 December 2018 19:48 (six years ago)

Why do u hate free speech

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 10 December 2018 19:49 (six years ago)

because i only have $134 worth of it

Karl Malone, Monday, 10 December 2018 19:50 (six years ago)

*checks bank account*

$92

Karl Malone, Monday, 10 December 2018 19:50 (six years ago)

Alternately, for every person in politics above a certain wealth threshold, perhaps we could publicly distribute the directions to and floorplans of their homes, along with instructions for overriding security systems and information which kinds of sausages Dobermans find the most delicious.

Still can't believe my dog ate my jumprope. (Old Lunch), Monday, 10 December 2018 19:53 (six years ago)

Republican campaigns are a huge grift, eating their own, overcharging their own donors for services. Grand USA tradition of the venal rich.

Bnad, Monday, 10 December 2018 19:54 (six years ago)

The second problem beyond the lack of regulations is the lack of enforcement for the regs that exist. So much of this stuff is on an honor system anyway, it's not like there are legions of auditors out there digging into campaign finances.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 10 December 2018 19:54 (six years ago)

I for one would have supported Supreme Court Justice Bill Ayers

resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 10 December 2018 19:56 (six years ago)

it's just such obvious bullshit.

is overturning citizens united a requirement for real campaign finance reform? by which i mean, if by some miracle real reform passed congress and was signed into law, would it immediately face a challenge in the supreme court hinging on their interpretation of citizens united?

Karl Malone, Monday, 10 December 2018 19:57 (six years ago)

just to define my terms, by "real campaign finance reform" i mean "something that doesn't blow chunks all the time"

Karl Malone, Monday, 10 December 2018 19:57 (six years ago)

Any new regulations will be challenged, for sure. I guess the key would be writing them in a way calculated to withstand scrutiny from the current court. Which could be hard, but I'm sure there are models out there.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 10 December 2018 19:59 (six years ago)

This is a good Vox explainer: https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/2018/5/7/17325486/citizens-united-money-politics-dark-money-vouchers-primaries. Basically says forget it about overturning Citizens, but there are other avenues. Citizens doesn't restrict disclosure rules, so a first step would be congressional action taking the "dark" out of dark money (even if you can't take out the money).

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 10 December 2018 20:04 (six years ago)

thanks! i'll give that a read today.

i should also finally get a copy of Jane Mayers' universally praised Dark Money

Karl Malone, Monday, 10 December 2018 20:06 (six years ago)

If you've been paying attention, then Dark Money may inform you of some details you did not know, but the take-home message will be all-too-depressingly familiar.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 10 December 2018 20:09 (six years ago)

jesus is going to come back soon and punish the wicked? that's what gets me through the night. come on jesus, dip your sword of vengeful return in the flames of righteousness and reign torment upon us all

Karl Malone, Monday, 10 December 2018 20:11 (six years ago)

That will be his intention until someone offers him a sweet position in a thinktank and he starts pulling down seven figs with bennies.

Still can't believe my dog ate my jumprope. (Old Lunch), Monday, 10 December 2018 20:15 (six years ago)

(It's all over once you hear him start to unnecessarily abbreviate words, bruh.)

Still can't believe my dog ate my jumprope. (Old Lunch), Monday, 10 December 2018 20:16 (six years ago)

karl malone: statehouse numbers https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1z1ydQBJrlnIYqrBiS4M3GQWy_gPeLAPS6Ffd32wmrSQ/edit#gid=1265475948

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 10 December 2018 20:25 (six years ago)

you can't make seven figs with bennies unless you make a priority of breving words. it's a self-selecting pool. using fewer sybs makes space for more sybs, and you can take that straight to your bottom line

xp

Karl Malone, Monday, 10 December 2018 20:27 (six years ago)

xp thanks caek! @Taniel is on fire imo

Karl Malone, Monday, 10 December 2018 20:29 (six years ago)

wrapping up in CA, here's how much the vote shifted (7m vote on election, 5m vote before)

https://www.latimes.com/projects/la-pol-ca-late-vote-shift/

takeways:

- every single congressional race moved towards the democrat with early voting added
- the average move was 2.6%.
- nunes is a legit target in 2020 (won 53/47, can't imagine he's going to cover himself in glory over the next couple of years on intelligence)

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 10 December 2018 20:32 (six years ago)

is anyone legit surprised by the massive increase in voting by mail, when it is *so much fucking easier* than locating your poll, going there before or after work, standing in line for god knows how long, and figuring out your vote in a tiny booth? like duh. make voting easier and more people will do it.

Οὖτις, Monday, 10 December 2018 20:35 (six years ago)

word. this is why making election day a holiday would be a time-consuming distraction. i'm sure it would help a bit, but it would be politically difficult (federal legislation). meanwhile: postal voting is right there as an option.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 10 December 2018 20:42 (six years ago)

also this is very otm

the media share responsibility for adjusting to an era when election night no longer offers a climactic conclusion for close contests.

media likes to report on elections like a sporting event with a buzzer clock and a final score, but it's way harder to gin up excitement about something that takes 60 days

Οὖτις, Monday, 10 December 2018 20:49 (six years ago)

I think even the GOP will increasingly support voting by mail as they refine their techniques for absconding with the ballots.

my hand is finally unglued from my face (Old Lunch), Monday, 10 December 2018 20:51 (six years ago)

xp that's a good point caek, thanks.

sleeve, Monday, 10 December 2018 20:55 (six years ago)

(re: holiday, I am 100% in favor of vote-by-mail everywhere immediately)

sleeve, Monday, 10 December 2018 20:56 (six years ago)

I don't trust voting by mail. I want to watch my vote go through the polling machine.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 10 December 2018 21:04 (six years ago)

My jurisdiction lets you watch webcams of poll workers tabulating mailed in ballots, and a ballot tracker online tells you when your vote as been received and will be counted.

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Monday, 10 December 2018 21:07 (six years ago)

send mail voters an e-receipt?
xp

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 10 December 2018 21:07 (six years ago)

Sleeve and other people who get to vote by mail -- can you check online to see if your vote has been received, and confirm who you voted for?

WmC, Monday, 10 December 2018 21:07 (six years ago)

they only counted one of my votes, so obviously something's wrong with the system. texting Soros and the other Elders of Zion right now fyi

Οὖτις, Monday, 10 December 2018 21:09 (six years ago)

Voting by mail ensures a paper trail. Voting by machine does not always provide that.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 10 December 2018 21:10 (six years ago)

My mail-in ballot is not traceable to me once it is separated from its return envelope, which afaik happens as soon as my signature is checked—it then becomes just another anonymous ballot in the pile.

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Monday, 10 December 2018 21:26 (six years ago)

I was able to confirm the receipt and acceptance of my mail-in ballot online.

True, I can't true they didn't change my vote to Baloo the Bear, but I can't tell that in person either.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 10 December 2018 22:24 (six years ago)

maybe jar jar shouldn't have sold the observer to joseph meyer after all :(

https://observer.com/2018/12/president-trump-really-may-go-to-jail-for-the-rest-of-his-life/

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 10 December 2018 22:52 (six years ago)

You need to install a Resistance Grifter blocker extension on your browser.

louise ck (milo z), Monday, 10 December 2018 22:57 (six years ago)

team

i have an idea

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mace_of_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Monday, 10 December 2018 23:07 (six years ago)

could that theoretically be used to beat Devin Nunes to death

Οὖτις, Monday, 10 December 2018 23:16 (six years ago)

first Jar Jar, now Mace. the evidence that we are living in the last, crumbling days of the old republic is mounting.

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Monday, 10 December 2018 23:21 (six years ago)

so this is how liberty dies - with devin nunes being savagely beaten with a mace on the floor of the house of representatives

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 10 December 2018 23:23 (six years ago)

I’m okay with it tbh

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 10 December 2018 23:24 (six years ago)

WmC - yes, in Oregon you can check to make sure your ballot was received

sleeve, Monday, 10 December 2018 23:25 (six years ago)

Just captured this C-SPAN screenshot:
https://thesouloftheplot.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/imfinshedwithwords_therewillbeblood.jpg

my hand is finally unglued from my face (Old Lunch), Monday, 10 December 2018 23:32 (six years ago)

à propos of nothing, it seems like the least nationally divisive way to deal with Trump will be to allow him to persist long enough for electoral defeat, and then move ahead with prosecution. Otherwise, fuel for the leftist conspiracy to undermine the electoral choice of the people, etc.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Monday, 10 December 2018 23:39 (six years ago)

allow him to persist long enough for electoral defeat, and then move ahead with prosecution, and then restore eisenhower's top bracket income tax rate, and then institute medicare for all

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 10 December 2018 23:51 (six years ago)

xpost who gives a shit about fuel for these idiots, or for that matter "least nationally divisive way"

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 10 December 2018 23:53 (six years ago)

It seems like the thing that would most keep my dad's coworkers happy, and my mom and our neighborhood friends is if I just let him beat me for another couple years until I'm old enough to move out

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 10 December 2018 23:55 (six years ago)

What makes anyone think that impeachment would result in anything other than repeated Senate "not guilty" verdicts that make the House look like a powerless tantrum throwing toddler?

Bnad, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 01:05 (six years ago)

it doesn't matter. it's the right thing to do.

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 01:09 (six years ago)

he's committed impeachable offenses. the democrats should make the case so it's part of the historical record.

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 01:10 (six years ago)

It also gets all these GOP assholes on the record dismissing his felonies as nbd.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 01:14 (six years ago)

political punditry has infested all our brains huh

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 01:33 (six years ago)

would just like to point out that Mueller hasn't even released his report yet. there's almost undoubtedly more bad news coming for Donnie.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 01:35 (six years ago)

were the Sunday comments of Jerrold Nadler (incoming Judiciary chair) observed?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 01:39 (six years ago)

is he the one who basically said yeah, sooner or later it's pretty inevitable he's being indicted?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 01:43 (six years ago)

Step 1: Citing the extreme seriousness of some or other problem it has noticed, Congress passes legislation making certain actions into federal felonies carrying long prison terms and congratulates itself on its judicious solution to a grave problem.
Step 2: A careful investigation establishes that the president committed those felonies.
Step 3: Congress checks to see which party the president belongs to, so it can decide how it must respond.
Step 4: Every member of Congress cites their grave constitutional duty before casting their vote according to their own party's best interests and congratulates themselves on their judicious solution to a serious situation.
Step 5: Regardless of the outcome, the president is somewhat inconvenienced.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 01:45 (six years ago)

go fuck yourself, Captain Obvious

sleeve, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 01:51 (six years ago)

i would be v happy if donnie jr, jared, and ivanka all ended up in separate prisons and dad trump watches his whole fam implode while he makes the case for his own innocence as he loses badly in 2020, a boy can dream

21st savagery fox (m bison), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 01:54 (six years ago)

Yeah, I'd be happy with his story ending the same way The Shield ended.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 01:55 (six years ago)

Only if Trump is Shane. “Family meeting!”

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 02:50 (six years ago)

My new favorite quote about this administration:

"“Why would anybody want to be Donald Trump’s chief of staff unless you want to steal the office supplies before they shut the place down?” said Chris Whipple, who wrote a book on White House chiefs of staff called “The Gatekeepers,” expressing the views of many outside the White House about Mr. Kelly’s job."

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/10/us/politics/white-house-hiring-trump.html

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 02:51 (six years ago)

why doesn't he just name jared? bringing peace to the middle east can't take up that much of his time

mookieproof, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 02:59 (six years ago)

Jared is also in charge of the opiod crisis iirc

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 03:00 (six years ago)

That sounds like a lot, but don’t forget, he is a god damn genius

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 03:01 (six years ago)

In the WaPo article:

“It’s a well-oiled machine,” quipped one Republican close to the White House who spoke on the condition of anonymity to talk candidly, a reference to the president’s claims that oft-documented chaos does not exist. “I don’t even know why they need a chief of staff. I guess they need somebody to pour the oil in once in a while, but that’s a part-time job, right?”

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 03:16 (six years ago)

tump used to talk about being his own chief of staff

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/379867-trump-considered-ousting-kelly-and-serving-as-his-own-chief-of-staff

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 03:17 (six years ago)

PLEASE do

21st savagery fox (m bison), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 03:32 (six years ago)

There's more convincing to be done. Hammer away with investigations until the mushy middle get sick of hearing about Trump's crimes. Take actions that seal the deal for 2020.

Bnad, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 04:05 (six years ago)

sleeve, I see that having to clean all that spittle off your computer screen every couple of days has put you in bad mood. try to cheer up a bit. mate. maybe eat a cookie. two, even.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 04:12 (six years ago)

maybe not in front of your computer, tho

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 04:13 (six years ago)

Prime The Pump, Pour The Oil

The Greta Van Gerwig (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 05:15 (six years ago)

read this to die instantly: Why ‘Truth’ Is James Comey’s Word of the Year, by james comey

oddly there is no mention of how truth factored into his re-opening of the clinton email investigation just days before the 2016 election in this unbearably self-righteous drivel

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 11:03 (six years ago)

i just i can't
is loving fossil fuels a republican identity politics thing, or is there something else going on?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/that-was-awkward--at-worlds-biggest-climate-conference-us-promotes-fossil-fuels/2018/12/10/aa8600c4-f8ae-11e8-8642-c9718a256cbd_story.html?utm_term=.ee9b52ab3f74

Bênoit Balls (stevie), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 11:04 (six years ago)

it's money

it's always money

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 11:06 (six years ago)

When you're a fossil, only one kind of fuel will do.

my hand is finally unglued from my face (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 11:20 (six years ago)

Luckily Australia, and only Australia, is there to back the USA up on this like the shitwizards we truly are.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 11:49 (six years ago)

good morning!!

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 12:03 (six years ago)

only David Roth should be allowed to write about Trump tbh

https://deadspin.com/normal-man-donald-trump-hilariously-fucks-up-army-navy-1830995551?

resident hack (Simon H.), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 12:04 (six years ago)

All of these little things, the 'Donald Trump does not know how to spell 'smoking'' thing and the 'Donald Trump does not know how to flip a coin' thing, they seem so insignificant on the face of it, barely worth mentioning, good for a momentary chuckle and a disbelieving shake of the head. But in most instances where we intentionally select a human being to undertake a task on our behalf, we might ponder a list of qualities which make that person seem like a weird robot that was just constructed earlier in the week, and we might then set a max threshold of like four or five of those qualities before we say 'nah, something ain't right with this dude, he doesn't seem to know what a mailbox is so I don't think I want to hire him to do my landscaping.'

But this is the president of the fucking United States, and every day reveals one or more of these previously-unrevealed qualities.

my hand is finally unglued from my face (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 13:27 (six years ago)

Yes it's almost like it says something dark and weird about not just American politics but the fundamental nature of humans as animals and what triggers our neural responses. Like a synaptic knee jerk that affects everyone but in different ways. As feral as he is, he is instinctively keyed into something primal and effective. Fortunately, I'm not sure it's something you can really learn, so I'm not sure anyone else could harness it more effectively or competently. Like, if it was more competent, it would be less effective.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 13:30 (six years ago)

Yeah for all the stupid articles trying to read the tea leaves of what every idiotic thing he says and does means by political hack, Roth actually identifies these small things that do illustrate who he is

He can be left there indefinitely, if also sometimes rolled out for those ceremonial duties. Those he will fuck up in hilarious ways, because the man has no idea how to do even simple things. He has never done those simple things and is too stubborn and checked-out and incurious to learn them; all he has done is golf and gossip and complain and sometimes shake rich people’s hands for decades now, and so these things are not simple at all to him.

No Smockin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 13:33 (six years ago)

I've never seen the point of criticizing his spelling and public statements; for him it's a form of jiu-jitsu.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 13:33 (six years ago)

we saw this shit already with Reagan, although worse because he was popular for most of his eight years.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 13:34 (six years ago)

The only thing I'd like to point out is that, in his defense, Joe Namath had probably guzzled a bottle of expensive scotch before he went out there so at least he has that excuse

No Smockin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 13:34 (six years ago)

Ok that coin toss is really funny

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 13:39 (six years ago)

Especially that little smirk and shrug he gives before doing it. What an asshole.

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 13:40 (six years ago)

i was down a q rabbit hole and his loyalists there have turned the shot of him with arms wide open into a triumphant painting type thing

spinning shit into gold plated shit

maura, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 13:48 (six years ago)

Almost inspirational. It’s not the cards you’re dealt etc

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 13:52 (six years ago)

I've never seen the point of criticizing his spelling and public statements; for him it's a form of jiu-jitsu.

― Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, December 11, 2018 7:33 AM (seventeen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

With respect to individual instances, I concur. Like the number of 'OMG, WHAT EVEN IS SMOCKING' articles I saw yesterday was a little sad. It's all about the cumulative quality of these glitches and turf-outs.

my hand is finally unglued from my face (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 13:56 (six years ago)

i was down a q rabbit hole and his loyalists there have turned the shot of him with arms wide open into a triumphant painting type thing

spinning shit into gold plated shit

― maura, Tuesday, December 11, 2018 8:48 AM

yep

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 13:56 (six years ago)

Like, can we all agree that Donald Trump would not survive long if left to his own devices? Like if we put him in a little house with all of the amenities and gave him a stipend to take care of his bills and his food and whatnot and we didn't provide him any assistance with day-to-day tasks which we all do pretty much without thinking about them...dude would be dead or at least grievously-ill within a week, week and a half tops. Why is he in charge of anything?

my hand is finally unglued from my face (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 14:00 (six years ago)

Why is he in charge of anything?


the soft bigotry of low expectations for blustery white dudes

maura, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 14:02 (six years ago)

You just buried the last great weird robot leader of the United States.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 14:05 (six years ago)

The late President Trump would be twitching and sparking in his grave if he could hear you now.

my hand is finally unglued from my face (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 14:13 (six years ago)

Like, can we all agree that Donald Trump would not survive long if left to his own devices? Like if we put him in a little house with all of the amenities and gave him a stipend to take care of his bills and his food and whatnot and we didn't provide him any assistance with day-to-day tasks which we all do pretty much without thinking about them...dude would be dead or at least grievously-ill within a week, week and a half tops. Why is he in charge of anything?

― my hand is finally unglued from my face (Old Lunch), Tuesday, December 11, 2018 2:00 PM (sixteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Dude do you get tired of rewriting this post twice a month cause I sure get tired of reading it

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 14:19 (six years ago)

Who is ghost writing posts in my name, I demand to know it

my hand is finally unglued from my face (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 14:20 (six years ago)

i demand to see the tax returns

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 14:23 (six years ago)

I can see we have ILXers still in shock that Trump won.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 14:25 (six years ago)

we should discuss the reasons why we think that happened, just to get everybody up to speed

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 14:26 (six years ago)

Did Hillary Quentin have any responsibility for this, y/n, and also explain your answer and what he could have done different

my hand is finally unglued from my face (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 14:30 (six years ago)

Look, this thing has affected everyone in a variety of ways, and I for one am a broken shell of the man I once was, so I beg pity of you. Pity me, please.

my hand is finally unglued from my face (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 14:31 (six years ago)

Sometimes when trump gets super saucy to the press corps, I feel like I am back at work dealing with one the trophy white guy hires again. "no, you need to double click on the mouse. Two clicks... try it again but faster. And make sure you click all the way. click click."

Yerac, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 14:35 (six years ago)

Yes. By way of contrast, last night I watched an 11-year-old Latino boy go from knowing nothing whatever about HTML to building a rudimentary Fortnite webpage in about an hour.

my hand is finally unglued from my face (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 14:51 (six years ago)

Bernie locking up the youth vote.

People 65 and older must have pretty good health insurance 🤔 https://t.co/2voSb74DHm

— Bernie Sanders (@SenSanders) December 10, 2018

Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:29 (six years ago)

Like the number of 'OMG, WHAT EVEN IS SMOCKING' articles I saw yesterday was a little sad.

In general I agree but tbh smocking gun was objectively hilarious. I'm ok with enjoying whatever comic relief we are afforded.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:45 (six years ago)

All I want to add to this week's "how does Trump exist, exactly" ILX reflection is that I think if I saw a video proving he doesn't know how to tie his shoes, I wouldn't be surprised. Which is weird to think about. How it wouldn't be shocking at all. Or if he revealed that he believed you're supposed to swallow toothpaste when you brush your teeth. Anyway.

Evan, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 15:46 (six years ago)

nice

.@NancyPelosi, speaking to a few reporters in the Capitol, previews her meeting with Trump: “Our message to him is: Mr. President, you have the White House, you’re the president; you have control of the Senate, control of the House; it’s up to you to keep the government open.”

— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) December 11, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 16:29 (six years ago)

it seems to me that two things are true, 1) he is the President of the United States and the things he says and does are by definition newsworthy and 2) he is objectively one of the dumbest, most simple-minded human beings on the planet. I don't know how you get around either of these facts. it truly is amazing to watch the GOP faithful praise the man and continue to insist "he's actually quite shrewd" while he's going on TV every day talking about invisible planes and acid-washed emails. he's had 3 whole years to demonstrate even the smallest level of insight and he's repeatedly failed. and yet the party with total control of government (for now) has no choice but to follow his every idiot whim. I don't think you can have an honest conversation about Trump in which his outright stupidity doesn't play a major role.

frogbs, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 16:37 (six years ago)

iiiiii-diot whim

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 16:42 (six years ago)

I've never seen the point of criticizing his spelling and public statements; for him it's a form of jiu-jitsu.

Apparently Churchill couldn't spell either - mind you he was an arsehole too.

It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christ (Tom D.), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 16:52 (six years ago)

I guess what I'm trying to say is that unlike Reagan and Dubya, Trump is very much an idiot first and a Republican second. The man is an old-school racist, I'll give him that, but otherwise does he really give a shit about any GOP party goals, or any political issues whatsoever? Outside of perhaps lower taxes for himself. Trump's "policy goals" are all over the place. His commitment to being uninformed and combative is the only constant thing about him.

Remember when he got that mental evaluation and the entire GOP + right-wing media circuit did a victory lap because he scored a "30/30" on his dementia test? How do we know that's true? How do we know he didn't score a 30 in the same way that he weighs 239 pounds?

frogbs, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 16:58 (six years ago)

Remember when he got that mental evaluation and the entire GOP + right-wing media circuit did a victory lap because he scored a "30/30" on his dementia test?

it is still really funny that this happened and that they publicized the results

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:09 (six years ago)

Incredible argument unfolding now in front of the press between trump, Pelosi and Schumer over votes for border security. Pelosi keeps asking not to discuss it in front of the press. pic.twitter.com/pEEnFhuplY

— Vivian Salama (@vmsalama) December 11, 2018

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:10 (six years ago)

apparently in the midst of this argument trump said "i am proud to shut down the government", which actually makes a lot of sense given that he only represents his base

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:12 (six years ago)

what is up with this criminal justice reform bill that Grassley and Trump want? is there anything decent in it or is it just the usual bullshit?

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:12 (six years ago)

He is proud to shut down the government because he thinks that means he'll finally get his much-deserved vacation.

my hand is finally unglued from my face (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:13 (six years ago)

It looks decent, doesn't go far enough of course, and by far the best thing this Congress has assembled.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:13 (six years ago)

"Criminal Reform Bill To Protect Me and My Family, Good Quality, Great Bill!"

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:14 (six years ago)

the brief summary I saw referenced reducing minimum sentencing (which is good), but I would expect the current Senate GOP to water that down with more private prisons or quotas on dead black people or something

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:15 (six years ago)

Basically Tom Cotton has been ranting about it for weeks, and that alone means I like it.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:17 (six years ago)

this is amazing

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:18 (six years ago)

btw Merry Xmas everybody!
https://boingboing.net/2018/12/10/robert-mueller-devotional-cand.html

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:20 (six years ago)

chuck is such a blob of crap

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:22 (six years ago)

Trump and Pelosi sparred in the Oval Office over votes in Congress for border wall funding pic.twitter.com/xcOVoDDQ1m

— TicToc by Bloomberg (@tictoc) December 11, 2018

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:24 (six years ago)

weird flashbacks to uncomfortable thanksgiving dinners there

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:28 (six years ago)

Broadly speaking, the bill pairs investments in anti-recidivism programs in federal prisons and an expansion of early release credits with changes to sentencing laws. Its authors have made a set of yet-to-be-released revisions to accommodate Republican concerns in recent days, but even with the changes, the bill is still expected to impact thousands of current federal inmates and future offenders.

Many of the changes are said to be designed to limit the types of offenders who would be eligible for early release credits under the law.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:29 (six years ago)

Trump trying to explain vote-counting and legislative process to NANCY FUCKING PELOSI

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:29 (six years ago)

She calls him Mr. President, he calls her Nancy, what an asshole

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:29 (six years ago)

idk how anybody in conversation w him is able to resist just smashing his brains out with a hammer after 5 minutes

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:30 (six years ago)

Oh man.

WOW. Sitting in the Oval Office, Sen. Schumer looks to reporters and says, "When the president brags that he got North Dakota and Indiana, he’s in trouble..." President Trump: "I did!"

— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) December 11, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:31 (six years ago)

haha burn

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:32 (six years ago)

just Chuck 'n' Nancy, sitting around for a friendly tea

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:33 (six years ago)

One key takeaway. Whatever the criticisms, Democrats would be INSANE not to keep Nancy Pelosi as their leader.

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) December 11, 2018

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:35 (six years ago)

oh god

Didn't realize that Schumer baited Trump into the final quote (after Pelosi owned him basically non-stop for the whole avail) "I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck."

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) December 11, 2018

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:36 (six years ago)

Perfection.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:37 (six years ago)

paraphrasing Nancy's burn here " I didn't want transparency there becasue we didn't want to make the president look stupid when we called him out on his lies "

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:38 (six years ago)

Side note: Trump hates to be called Donald, so he thinks it is psychologically cutting to call them Chuck and Nancy, when it is only rude.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:39 (six years ago)

Pence really is dumb as a tree stump, isn't he

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:39 (six years ago)

he is an actual tree stump iirc

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:40 (six years ago)

the hair is glued on

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:41 (six years ago)

Our movement is changing what's possible.

In the 24 hrs since our sit-ins, NINE NEW REPS, including major Dem Leaders, have backed @Ocasio2018's Select Committee on a #GreenNewDeal

Our joint statement with @justicedems: pic.twitter.com/uksOW1OKvz

— Sunrise Movement 🌅 (@sunrisemvmt) December 11, 2018

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:41 (six years ago)

https://i.imgur.com/iqlOqF1.jpg

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:41 (six years ago)

"TAKE A LOOK AT THESE HANDS!"

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:44 (six years ago)

It's possible a similar moment happened under Dubya or Reagan, but it's rare that I sense two people desperately trying not to collapse into helpless laughter.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:44 (six years ago)

"TAKE A LOOK AT THESE HANDS!"

IRL LOL

Bênoit Balls (stevie), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:45 (six years ago)

hahaha

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:45 (six years ago)

to be fair to mike pence for no reason, i'm sure that he has been a part of literally thousands of these conversations by now and has determined that the only winning move is not to play

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:49 (six years ago)

when will he get tired of all the winning tho

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:50 (six years ago)

where are y’all watching this? is it available online anywhere???

Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:50 (six years ago)

all over the Twitters, Snrub

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:50 (six years ago)

i guess i don’t follow the right people

Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:52 (six years ago)

All I see are still photographs and lame “liveblogs” like this:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2018/dec/11/donald-trump-latest-news-manafort-google-live

Mr. Snrub, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:54 (six years ago)

WaPo livestreamed it

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:54 (six years ago)

When you have to ask...

Even a Washington Post reporter knows that not 1 inch of Trump's wall has been built. Does Trump think his supporters are dumber than a WaPo reporter? https://t.co/iCbior7yFp

— Ann Coulter (@AnnCoulter) December 11, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:55 (six years ago)

I guess owning the Grifter on TV is what Josh Marshall values above all

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:56 (six years ago)

I know its di rigeur to give Schumer shit around here but he totally clowned Trump, the idiot walked right into his trap

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:57 (six years ago)

i give chuck credit for pwning a 6-year-old but it's still idiotic that he preemptively offered billions of dollars in support for trump's wall

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:59 (six years ago)

Much to the surprise of the Doubting Thomases, Trump has been stealth assembling slabs of border wall in the WH basement this whole time. I mean, they're too big to fit through the door, but the effort is nonetheless noteworthy.

my hand is finally unglued from my face (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 17:59 (six years ago)

omg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DuJ4VYbXQAAGd5J.jpg:small

mookieproof, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:05 (six years ago)

barffff

macropuente (map), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:06 (six years ago)

lol that will never happen

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:07 (six years ago)

For Snrub or anyone else

Worth 17 minutes to watch this. An amazing look at how Trump, Pelosi, and Schumer operate. Note who talks over whom, and who insists that productive debate begins with a shared set of facts. https://t.co/v7NzUjPylT pic.twitter.com/XmnuZ0lmZe

— Bradley Peniston (@navybook) December 11, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:07 (six years ago)

this is why there was no leadership challenge against Schumer. https://t.co/Hansj2hYpx

— Italian Alex Pareene (@pareene) December 11, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:08 (six years ago)

the accelerationist ticket xxp

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:08 (six years ago)

Feel like SHUT IT DOWN is going to be the new LOCK HER UP.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:09 (six years ago)

Sort of the ultimate reductio ad trumpum, make shuttering gubmint not a tactic but the actual goal.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:10 (six years ago)

Mother should I build the wall?
Mother should I run for President?
Mother should I trust the government?
Mother will they put me in the firing mine?
Ooh ah,
Is it just a waste of time? pic.twitter.com/Snzi1Hl5AA

— Evan Foster (@EvanPhD) December 11, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:11 (six years ago)

OMG...is it possible that he's basically just thinking that shutting the government down = shuttering Mueller's investigation?

my hand is finally unglued from my face (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:12 (six years ago)

this puts his famous silent showdown with kim jong un's sister at the olympics in a new context

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:13 (six years ago)

Blue-tied Trump getting tied up by those Blues

nashwan, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:13 (six years ago)

my congressman is ... not smart ... but trump just made this easy for the dems

If @realDonaldTrump doesn’t get BILLIONS of YOUR tax 💵 to pay for his border wall, he’ll shutdown the government.#POTUS just turned funding the government into a legislative hostage negotiation.

And I don’t negotiate with legislative terrorists.#TrumpShutdown pic.twitter.com/xnZAhfVw4D

— Rep. Jimmy Gomez (@RepJimmyGomez) December 11, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:18 (six years ago)

apparently Pelosi never forgets if you vote against her once; that seems to work in the House

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:19 (six years ago)

lol that politico article is one of the stupidest things i've read in ages, just one unsupported statement/prediction after another, totally divorced from anything resembling the real world. a+.

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:22 (six years ago)

"content"

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:23 (six years ago)

has there ever been a government shutdown threat that was not a legislative hostage negotiation?

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:24 (six years ago)

which article and when isn't POLITICO stupid?

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:26 (six years ago)

Much is made of Trump understanding television, and to a large extent he does. Presentation, suspense, line delivery, etc. But make him share the stage and can fall ass over elbow.

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) December 11, 2018

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:29 (six years ago)

xpost There was that one time.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:30 (six years ago)

Anyway, all this and then Butina's sentencing is today, last I heard.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:32 (six years ago)

trump just made this easy for the dems

yup, this was Schumer's setup

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:35 (six years ago)

How schrewd

Evan, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:38 (six years ago)

“The American people recognize that we must keep government open, that a shutdown is not worth anything, and that we should not have a Trump shutdown,” Ms. Pelosi said.

“A what?” Mr. Trump shot back.

lol

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:41 (six years ago)

really hoping Trump brings back the Mooch for a second act

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 18:42 (six years ago)

Nancy w the knives out

“It’s like a manhood thing for him. As if manhood could ever be associated with him. This wall thing,” Pelosi said, according to a congressional aide in the room.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 20:02 (six years ago)

amazing

Pelosi to colleagues: “It was so wild. It goes to show you: you get into a tickle contest with a skunk, you get tinkle all over you.”

— Manu Raju (@mkraju) December 11, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 20:04 (six years ago)

Tinkle tape or gtfo

my hand is finally unglued from my face (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 20:28 (six years ago)

Quick Manafort update:

Manafort lawyer says they're not completely sure a hearing is necessary, and that it depends on what the government's position is on whether that will impact sentencing. Suggests there's a possibility they won't contest allegations Manafort lied after plea deal.

— Ryan J. Reilly (@ryanjreilly) December 11, 2018

Smart. Very smart.

I mean, the dumbass wasn't smart in the first place with, you know, the crimes. Or lying during cooperation. Or leaking cooperation to Trump.

But this least-awful-alternative approach is smart . . . .

/1https://t.co/rjWqP3aEjJ

— ThankYouForNotSmockingHat (@Popehat) December 11, 2018

/2 . . . . because you don't want the judge focusing on "I'm a big liar" at the time of sentencing. If you make the government prove up a bunch of lies -- and you they'll be able to do so -- that's the first thing on the judge's mind as she exercises sentencing discretion.

— ThankYouForNotSmockingHat (@Popehat) December 11, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 20:28 (six years ago)

What happens now:
- Manafort's lawyers and the govt will continue to talk informally about what the govt is accusing Manafort of
- Manafort's lawyers will file something by Jan. 7 saying what they agree/disagree about in the govt's filing
- Tentative hearing set for Jan. 25

— Zoe Tillman (@ZoeTillman) December 11, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 20:29 (six years ago)

GENIUS

After cameras left room, Trump told Pelosi and Schumer that Mexico was actually going to pay for the wall as part of the re-negotiated NAFTA deal. Unclear how that would work.

— Josh Dawsey (@jdawsey1) December 11, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 21:26 (six years ago)

It will most assuredly not be that. https://t.co/17F3RhykZx

— Susan Hennessey (@Susan_Hennessey) December 11, 2018

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 21:45 (six years ago)

keep hope alive

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 21:46 (six years ago)

Wooow, just now had the opportunity to watch today's fun lil press conference. I had assumed that Trump just kinda tossed out his line about happily shutting down the government for the sake of border security in the midst of an incoherent rant. I had no idea that he was punctuating the affair with a 'EVERYBODY SHUT UP, I'M SHUTTING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT IF I DON'T GET WHAT I WANT, PRESS CONFERENCE OVER.'

So, yeah, I concur with everyone who asserted that this was a beautiful and very thoughtful gift to the dems.

my hand is finally unglued from my face (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 23:08 (six years ago)

"It could totally work"

Groove(box) Denied (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 23:29 (six years ago)

listening to the press conference now

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 23:53 (six years ago)

pretty dumb

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 23:53 (six years ago)

i like how the "press conference" was a mutation of a photo-op that normally would have resulted in a few stilted smiles for the cameras before rushing everyone out of the room

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 23:55 (six years ago)

lol

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 23:55 (six years ago)

chuck schumer didn't do so badly

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 23:56 (six years ago)

you could tell he hated him, which is good

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 23:56 (six years ago)

Should I watch, Treesh?

Groove(box) Denied (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 11 December 2018 23:56 (six years ago)

the part where Schumer goads Trump into owning the shutdown is pretty funny

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 23:57 (six years ago)

it's pretty good. not as fun as the first hangover movie but if you have moviepass it's worth it xp

Trϵϵship, Tuesday, 11 December 2018 23:58 (six years ago)

BREAKING: GOP consultant tells me Trump is “absolutely enraged” by the news coverage of his meeting with Pelosi and Schumer today. Trump apparently blames Pence for not speaking up. He thinks Pence “lost it for him.” And he wishes he never held the meeting, calling it a “set up.”

— Scott Dworkin (@funder) December 11, 2018

Dan S, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 00:03 (six years ago)

yeessssss more of this

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 00:03 (six years ago)

BREAKING

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 00:04 (six years ago)

he can't really be that much of a dipshit. it has to be an act, right?

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 00:10 (six years ago)

i think at this point he is like, existing in some kind of fog

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 00:11 (six years ago)

how is it that Trump even has any hinges left to unhinge

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 00:11 (six years ago)

It WAS a setup...for some cameras to take photos of the three, I mean four (forgot pence) of them sitting together and exchanging pleasantries. Until trump turned it I to a live argument, against the urging of Pelosi. He’s such a dumbass!

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 00:12 (six years ago)

we've got a deranged election season coming up next year

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 00:12 (six years ago)

Yeah, seriously. Even Pelosi was all like, dude, maybe do this stuff off camera? But full steam ahead it was.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 00:14 (six years ago)

if the dunning-kruger epidemic / prion disease that produced this id monster doesn't get us all first and he's crowned king on easter, that is

xpost

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 00:15 (six years ago)

Lmao dude is so used to surrounding himself with sycophants and getting literally no pushback that he got thoroughly owned by Chuck Schumer

frogbs, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 00:16 (six years ago)

Does that @funder dude actually know anything? I feel like everything I see from him is thinly sourced “Trump is losing it” posts, and apparently he’s part of the Draft Biden movement?

JoeStork, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 00:18 (six years ago)

whenever i wonder how this dude has gotten away with being such a total asshole into his 70s, i remember all the suckers in junior high who wanted to be friends with the bullies and now vote republican come hell or (literally soon enough) high water

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 00:21 (six years ago)

A House GOP member who lost reelection said Trump's performance on Tuesday "was unbelievable. I literally couldn't believe a president of the United States was acting that crazy." When asked why he didn't come out publicly with his criticism, the soon-to-be-ex-lawmaker deadpanned "Hey, I gotta work, don't I?"

actually no, you don't gotta work, you can just gtfo of town now

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 00:26 (six years ago)

^Proof that yeah, Trump does beat dogs.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 00:31 (six years ago)

that tie, with that coat

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 00:38 (six years ago)

In an effort to understand how Google search algorithms work, a Democratic congresswoman asked the tech company’s chief executive a simple question: “If you Google the word ‘idiot' under images, a picture of Donald Trump comes up. How would that happen? How does search work so that that would occur?”

In the middle of a congressional hearing ostensibly about privacy and data collection, Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-Calif.) apparently performed that search from the dais. As it turns out, the image results for “idiot” reveals a page of mostly Trump photos.

Google chief executive sund4r Pichai, who was testifying Tuesday morning before the House Judiciary Committee, tried to explain to the roomful of mostly tech novices how the algorithms take into account some 200 factors — such as relevance, popularity, how others are using the search term — to determine how to best match a query with results.

“So it’s not some little man sitting behind the curtain figuring out what we’re going to show the user. It’s basically a compilation of what users are generating, and trying to sort through that information?” Zofgren asked, facetiously.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 00:40 (six years ago)

Whole article is kinda funny, kinda sad:

Lofgren was reacting to Republicans' allegations that Google employees manipulate results for political reasons. The hearing mostly revealed lawmakers' rudimentary understanding of how the Internet works and provided a platform for them to complain about unfavorable search results.

In one exchange, Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Tex.) asked Pichai whether he had ever directed an employee to manipulate search results. Pichai explained that it’s not possible for one person, or even a group of people, to do that because there are so many steps in the process.

But Smith did not accept that explanation, telling Pichai: “Let me just say, I disagree. I think humans can manipulate the process. It is a human process at its base.”

Republicans on the panel couldn’t get past the myth that some person(s) inside Google couldn’t arbitrarily change search algorithms for political gain.

Rep. Steve Chabot (R-Ohio) complained that when he googled the Republican health-care bill or the GOP tax cuts the first several pages listed negative articles. “How do you explain this apparent bias on Google’s part against conservative points of view, against conservative policies? Is it just the algorithm, or is there more happening there?” Chabot asked.

Yeah, how do you explain it?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/12/11/congresswoman-google-ceo-why-when-i-search-idiot-do-i-get-pictures-trump/?utm_term=.fa433879fce5

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 00:42 (six years ago)

Trump's entire adult life has basically been:

·Walks down obstacle-free sidewalk, veers off and breaks his foot kicking a hydrant for no clear reason, screams at hydrant and sues someone.
·Eats bucket of KFC, snaps a leg bone in half and jams it in his left eye for no clear reason, screams at chicken bone and sues someone.
·Watches hour upon hour of Fox News, gnaws through the power cord for no clear reason and sustains third-degree burns to his face and neck, screams at Shep Smith and sues someone.

my hand is finally unglued from my face (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 00:44 (six years ago)

lol'ing at it being obvious that the ONLY thing he knows about being a bill on capital hill is that the house and senate both need to approve and you need 60 senate votes. so he just constantly refers to that so he can pretend he's on the same level as long-time congresspeople. I knew stuff too! I'm smart! Not dumb like everyone says!

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 00:52 (six years ago)

my friend adam invented googlebombing 17 years ago

maura, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 01:05 (six years ago)

https://web.archive.org/web/20010608035250/uber.nu/2001/04/06/

maura, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 01:05 (six years ago)

I mean, no bleeding heart for Google, but I can't imagine how outrageously frustrating and hopeless it would be to explain how a search engine works to a panel of clueless olds trying to nail you, jfc

circa1916, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 01:06 (six years ago)

I mean, for chrissakes, those Google eggheads didn't even bother to explain how a search travels through the series of tubes. What kind of 'expert' doesn't at least mention the tubes?

my hand is finally unglued from my face (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 01:11 (six years ago)

he can't really be that much of a dipshit. it has to be an act, right?

found the key to qualmsley mindset

resident hack (Simon H.), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 01:13 (six years ago)

Really love that Lamar Smith quote. Trying to imagine him explaining at length some congressional procedural minutia just to have a know-nothing blowhard say, 'nah, doesn't sound right to me.'

my hand is finally unglued from my face (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 01:15 (six years ago)

But Chabot wasn’t having it. He told Pichai that conservatives believe Google is “picking winners and losers in political discourse.”

“There’s a lot of people that think what I’m saying here is happening,” Chabot said. “And I think it’s happening.”

lol tell them to post on the web about it then maybe you'll see how this works

j., Wednesday, 12 December 2018 01:17 (six years ago)

"A lot of people are saying..." seems to be the untouchable rhetorical maneuver of the era

circa1916, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 01:22 (six years ago)

'a lot of rubrics are measuring how a lot of people are saying…'

j., Wednesday, 12 December 2018 01:22 (six years ago)

At the House Judiciary Committee on Tuesday, Google CEO sund4r Pichai was asked some difficult questions. None was more difficult than Iowa Congressman Steve King's, however, whose question was literally impossible to answer.

King said that his seven-year-old granddaughter was playing a game on her phone before an election — most likely King's November 2018 re-election bid — and was shown a picture of the congressman that included some not-so-flattering language.

"I'm going to say into the record what kind of language was used around that picture of her grandfather," he said.

Then, holding up his Apple device, King asked Pichai, "How does that show up on a seven year-olds-iPhone who's playing a kids game."

To which the Google CEO answered, "Congressman, iPhone is made by a different company."

The Democratic staff table erupted in laughter at Pichai's reply, according to Business Insider's Joe Perticone who attended Tuesday's hearing.

King backtracked and said, "It might have been an Android. It's just… it was a hand-me-down of some kind."

Later in the hearing, Rep. Ted Lieu (CA) told the Iowa congressman that if he wanted "positive search results, do positive things." King has repeatedly found himself in hot water over his insensitive racial comments.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 01:47 (six years ago)

lmao dude is so used to surrounding himself with sycophants and getting literally no pushback that he got thoroughly owned by Chuck Schumer

― frogbs, Tuesday, December 11, 2018

imagine the president is so stupid that Chuck Schumer owns you

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 01:59 (six years ago)

it's easy if you try

21st savagery fox (m bison), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 02:02 (six years ago)

go easy on my man shoomz

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 02:03 (six years ago)

Michael Flynn, ladies and gentlemen

good god pic.twitter.com/FdiGBNLKtu

— Quinta Jurecic (@qjurecic) December 12, 2018

what on earth did he think was happening? pic.twitter.com/dwGSVbUxUh

— Quinta Jurecic (@qjurecic) December 12, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 02:29 (six years ago)

that is startling. to me at least.

Hunt3r, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 02:39 (six years ago)

Countdown to trump saying if you ask someone if they’re a cop they have to tell you

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 02:43 (six years ago)

many people are saying

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 02:45 (six years ago)

that doesn't sound great for the fbi honestly

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 02:45 (six years ago)

Nah, it's hilarious. Thus.

Flynn's lawyer's wounded innocence -- or at least pretense to it -- that law enforcement would lead their poor client into peril by not warning him of danger or calling his attention to inconsistencies so he could correct them is a CLASSIC of the genre.

— ThankYouForNotSmockingHat (@Popehat) December 12, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 02:49 (six years ago)

yeah, if flynn is down to citing the fact that he wasn't warned about lying before lying, he's in deep shit

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 02:53 (six years ago)

we already saw his sentencing recommendation

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 02:53 (six years ago)

iirc, treesh, by that time Flynn was under investigation for crimes involving national security and the FISA court had issued warrants against him.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 02:55 (six years ago)

xpost Worth remembering there's a lot of other stuff that both he and his idiot kid that was rumored they could have been charged with. And possibly has been held in reserve.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 02:56 (six years ago)

I’m blown away how many think I’m an “international kidnapping spy”.

Twitter is truly making people dumber but thanks for the laughs 😂..#TuesdayThoughts

— Michael Flynn Jr⭐️⭐️⭐️ (@mflynnJR) December 11, 2018

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 03:22 (six years ago)

https://www.twitter.com/MikeElk/status/1072713493042880512

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 04:52 (six years ago)

better than the poem roy moore would have written, probably

Freda VanFleet (symsymsym), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 04:57 (six years ago)

https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/12/ocasio-cortez-compromise-jayapal-pocan-green-new-deal/

This model for how the New Green Deal is accumulating support—through a collaboration between an energetic new elected official, outside activist support, and incumbent savvy—is something Jayapal says the CPC will likely lean on again as it tries to advance its progressive agenda next year. “[Ocasio-Cortez] has the most unbelievable following and can make stuff happen really quickly,” Jayapal says. “To me, I think about it as different talents that people bring.”

Jayapal and Pocan tell Mother Jones that they expect a few more of their Democratic colleagues to sign on this week, as the Sunrise Movement continues to pressure Democratic leaders to commit to a select committee before they leave Washington for the holidays. While Pelosi, who is expected to become the Speaker of the House next year, has not yet committed to creating the select committee, Jayapal says she’s spoken with her at length about the subject and notes she’d be surprised if it doesn’t come together.

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 04:59 (six years ago)

Go team!

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 05:20 (six years ago)

Is there any way for Congress to undo these China tariffs? I don't think they are well liked by either party. It just seems like something Trump imposed on everyone for no discernible reason, and it would cause widespread relief if they stopped.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 06:55 (six years ago)

What happened to the FBI people who were fired over the last year. Is McCabe going to get his pension back? Serve out his last 2 days honourably etc

& what of Strzok? Setting crowdfunding records, anything newer?

Stevolende, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 09:33 (six years ago)

Anyone who gives one cent to that crowdfunding campaign is a complete idiot, my god

No Smockin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 12:52 (six years ago)

good morning!

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 12:56 (six years ago)

What's the haps on the craps?

No Smockin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 13:14 (six years ago)

trump has not taken a shit since october 2011 iirc

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 13:15 (six years ago)

he sure shat himself yesterday tho amirite ayooo

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 14:02 (six years ago)

so about that flynn defense team sentencing filing, casting aspersions on mccabe and strzok while requesting no jail time

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 14:09 (six years ago)

The presence of Strzok is pretty much all the Trump/Fox crowd needs to throw out the whole investigation. But legally I'm not sure the defense of "I never would have incriminated myself if I'd known they weren't on my side" seems flimsy. It's basically the old "Jeez I didn't know he was a narc." Except obv in this case he knew they were FBI agents.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 14:22 (six years ago)

Iirc it's not fair/legal if you don't announce "ready or not, here I come!" first. Would have also accepted "I'm going to get you!"

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 14:30 (six years ago)

Really, the sophistry, if it weren't so sad, would be overwhelming. Clinton, Comey et al., dozens of investigations and next to nothing to show for it, therefore ... we have to keep looking! Trump and his cohort, numerous indictments and guilty pleas, with more in the pipe, but ... those aren't real crimes, so who cares!

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 14:32 (six years ago)

reality is melting

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DuMUv0GWsAAe8e6.jpg:large

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 14:37 (six years ago)

Is Deputy Space Force Commander a comic book character or was he really named Deputy Space Force Director? Or is it both?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 14:39 (six years ago)

If it appears in a self-published right-wing comic book, you can pretty much assume that it's reflective of reality. Because we're in hell.

my hand is finally unglued from my face (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 14:42 (six years ago)

Reality: based on a true story.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 14:44 (six years ago)

Inspired by true events.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 14:45 (six years ago)

Based Upon 'The Odyssey' by Homer

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 14:46 (six years ago)

Hard to tell that the character in that comic is Gorka since he’s not sieg heiling

crüt, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 14:52 (six years ago)

Does Gorka turn into MAGAtron?
Also, someone braver than I should zoom in on his crotch and see what's on his huge belt buckle.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 14:56 (six years ago)

gonna go out on a limb here and assume it's the emblem of an obscure hungarian nazi-adjacent group

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 14:59 (six years ago)

From the bull/steer head on it I'm guessing a rodeo or showstock award buckle.

WmC, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 15:11 (six years ago)

Gorka looks like Julian from Trailer Park Boys there

I want to change my display name (dan m), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 15:39 (six years ago)

I had glossed over this from yesterday's exchanges:

“If we don’t get what we want — one way or the other, whether it’s through you, through a military, through anything you want to call — I will shut down the government, absolutely... And I’ll tell you what, I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck.”

I know this is normal Trump bluster, but that phrase "whether it's through you, through a military, through anything" sorta jumps out. The best-case interpretation is that he means he'll send the military to build the wall (which he obviously can't do). The worst-case interpretation gets is a lot worse.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 15:46 (six years ago)

pretty sure using the military to build a wall can be filed under the hundreds of moronic ideas he wants to implement that are sadly illegal. stuff he keeps getting mad at his staff for not letting him do.

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 16:19 (six years ago)

Anyone else catch his clearly bullshit claim that we have caught something like 7 terrorists at the border already? Uh huh, sure Trump.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 16:22 (six years ago)

it was 10 iirc - each one of them a v bad hombre, one assumes

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 16:23 (six years ago)

I saw some clickbait shared on FB yesterday (Ben Shapiro or Daily Caller or shit like that) boasting about the Military building the wall. So The Base is into it.

The Greta Van Gerwig (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 16:23 (six years ago)

Base: how low can you go?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 16:29 (six years ago)

i learned yesterday that the avg # of people turned away from US ports of entry (for terror-related reasons) is 10/day, and that trump was making a confused reference to that fact. that’s 10/day across all US ports of entry, and that includes reasons like simply being from the wrong country

the late great, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 16:30 (six years ago)

we should erect MAGAtron statues at each port of entry and every ten miles along the wall imho

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 16:35 (six years ago)

lol josh

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 16:36 (six years ago)

Put one of these up every few miles:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/Michael_Jackson_sculpture.jpg/300px-Michael_Jackson_sculpture.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 16:37 (six years ago)

Xpost ^yeah josh that's next month's title

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 16:39 (six years ago)

The way Trump phrased it, I wasn't entirely clear on whether he wanted to have the military build the wall or whether he intended for them to configure themselves into some massive human sculpture and effectively become the wall. Given the source, I'd say either interpretation is equally plausible.

We don't like hearing stories of a melted thermos. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 16:40 (six years ago)

mexico's army is going to pay for and build the wall iirc

reggie (qualmsley), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 16:42 (six years ago)

In this same interlude it doth befall
That I, one Snout by name, present a wall.
And such a wall, as I would have you think,
That had in it a crannied hole, or chink,
Through which the lovers, Pyramus and Thisbe,
Did whisper often very secretly.
This loam, this roughcast, and this stone doth show
That I am that same wall. The truth is so.
And this the cranny is, right and sinister,
Through which the fearful lovers are to whisper.

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 16:43 (six years ago)

Meanwhile at Cohen's sentencing:

On his client's treatment, Petrillo said: "Mr. Cohen had the misfortune to be counsel to the president."

— Adam Klasfeld (@KlasfeldReports) December 12, 2018

Cohen began his remarks by stating that: "Today is the day that I am getting my freedom back." ... "I have been living in a personal and mental incarceration ever since the day that I accepted the offer to work for a real estate mogul whose business acumen that I deeply admired."

— Adam Klasfeld (@KlasfeldReports) December 12, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 16:46 (six years ago)

Cohen was silent for a few moments. He just sniffled.

— erica orden (@eorden) December 12, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 16:48 (six years ago)

My coworker just noted that based on Cohen fun this morning we could easily see a lawyer for one of the family members of the president eventually saying "You don't get to pick your family!" in court.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 16:53 (six years ago)

"Mr. Cohen had the misfortune to be counsel to the president."

Fate is a cruel mistress, indeed.

We don't like hearing stories of a melted thermos. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 16:53 (six years ago)

Had no idea this was an hereditary position before today. Mind blown.

We don't like hearing stories of a melted thermos. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 16:54 (six years ago)

if it weren't for the fact that he needs a forever wall to fire up his idiots, i'd have expected trump to declare victory by now, adding a beautiful imaginary 2000-mile wall to his list of accomplishments that no other president has ever approached

maybe it has the same stealth technology as those fighter jets you literally can't see

mookieproof, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 16:55 (six years ago)

admiring trump’s business acumen should be carceral offence in its own right

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 16:55 (six years ago)

lotta thred titles in there

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 16:57 (six years ago)

I would be honestly surprised if someone in the long train of Trump associates facing charges doesn't explicitly attempt a defense based upon having been brainwashed by what they now recognize to be a very bad and evil cult of personality.

We don't like hearing stories of a melted thermos. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 16:59 (six years ago)

Pauley: Cohen's cooperation "does not wipe the slate clean."

"This court ... believes a significant term of imprisonment" is justified, Pauley says.

— Adam Klasfeld (@KlasfeldReports) December 12, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 17:04 (six years ago)

BREAKING: Cohen is sentencing to 36 months of imprisonment.

— Adam Klasfeld (@KlasfeldReports) December 12, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 17:04 (six years ago)

eek

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 17:06 (six years ago)

36 months is significant for a white man, yes

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 17:06 (six years ago)

i bet he's out in less than 18

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 17:07 (six years ago)

He'll have a lot more time to think about ways he could have cooperated more and/or earlier.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 17:10 (six years ago)

If it's a federal sentence, he has to serve 30 months and a few days absent a pardon.

WmC, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 17:11 (six years ago)

36 months is significant for a white man, yes

was gonna say

Bênoit Balls (stevie), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 17:16 (six years ago)

It's federal.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 17:16 (six years ago)

In evaluating the 36 month sentence of Michael Cohen, remember:
1. The system CANNOT work if people don't plead guilty
2. People don't plead guilty without credit
3. The system also doesn't work without cooperators.

That's why even extremely imperfect cooperators get credit.

— ThankYouForNotSmockingHat (@Popehat) December 12, 2018

This, despite the outrage about it certain to ensue, is 100% typical for this type of case.

Not for, you know, people who can't afford hefty bail, but MURIKAhttps://t.co/4ztHa2WBjW

— ThankYouForNotSmockingHat (@Popehat) December 12, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 17:17 (six years ago)

Also, just compare to Manafort, who's facing something like 20+ years already. Cohen and his team are probably thinking "3 years, off the hook otherwise? We'll take that."

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 17:18 (six years ago)

tbf Manafort's list of crimes was considerably longer

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 17:22 (six years ago)

you only do your first day and your last day, kid
*takes cig from behind ear, lights it, inhales deeply*

No Smockin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 17:26 (six years ago)

And pretty spiteful, considering they were going on while our boy was on trial lol

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 17:26 (six years ago)

Xp

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 17:27 (six years ago)

“He’ll also be shelling out a considerable amount of money: forfeiting $500,000, $1.4 million in restitution and a $50,000 fine.”

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 17:29 (six years ago)

still a shorter sentence than Reality Winner

frogbs, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 17:33 (six years ago)

Cohen can also get hooked up if they recommend he be sentenced to a low security federal camp.. not quite club fed but close. I assume since he's a nonviolent offender and his sentence is kinda low he'd go there.

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 17:41 (six years ago)

WORST LAWYER

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 17:49 (six years ago)

admiring trump’s business acumen should be carceral offence in its own right

considering Cohen's main business was sitting on his arse and collecting money for licensing out a title to people who did an actual job, this tracks just fine

sans lep (sic), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 17:51 (six years ago)

This tweet may have aged more poorly than any tweet in human history pic.twitter.com/dojbUoVWpz

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) December 12, 2018

frogbs, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 18:33 (six years ago)

Well well

#BREAKING: SDNY has reached a non-prosecution agreement w/ American Media, Inc. (National Enquirer, US Weekly, etc). As part of the agreement, AMI admitted that its "principle purpose" in paying Karen McDougal "was to suppress [her] story" in order to "influence the election."

— Caroline Orr (@RVAwonk) December 12, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 18:40 (six years ago)

This coming after Cohen's sentencing is verrrry interesting. Also means that Trump Org's Weisselberg is the next obvious link, and like Packer/AMI there were already reports of negotiations/immunity with SDNY.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 18:44 (six years ago)

Cohen: sad man in him room

(Reuters/Jane Rosenberg) pic.twitter.com/xWhIqXZGnV

— Colin Campbell (@colincampbell) December 12, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 18:45 (six years ago)

This coming after Cohen's sentencing is verrrry interesting.

yeah, directly contradicts Trump's blathering about these payments being a "private transaction"

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 18:47 (six years ago)

Michael Cohen in court today, via courtroom sketch artist pic.twitter.com/BjnhXJ4z9s

— Jim Sciutto (@jimsciutto) December 12, 2018

https://twitter.com/svershbow/status/1072926286031523840

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 18:50 (six years ago)

Also...

COHEN rep Lanny Davis says he’s ready to talk to Congress about Trump *after* Mueller finishes his investigation, suggests there’s more to tell. pic.twitter.com/NOlciiBSqx

— Kyle Cheney (@kyledcheney) December 12, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 18:56 (six years ago)

that doesn't seem particularly helpful

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 19:03 (six years ago)

Cohen looks more like Manafort in those court drawings.

It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christ (Tom D.), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 19:05 (six years ago)

Just a reminder that Cohen, the Deputy Finance Chair of the RNC, is heading to prison.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 19:06 (six years ago)

The farm bill rule — which unrelatedly blocks Yemen resolutions from getting a vote — is narrowly adopted 206-203.

I believe five Democrats voted for the rule, saving Republicans from a self-inflicted failure.

— Matt Fuller (@MEPFuller) December 12, 2018

resident hack (Simon H.), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 19:31 (six years ago)

It's 2pm

NBC reporting Trump has not yet come to work today.

— Adam Parkhomenko (@AdamParkhomenko) December 12, 2018

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 19:33 (six years ago)

:O

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 19:33 (six years ago)

Rolled into the office around noon. https://t.co/7GENTKdWmz

— Ken Dilanian (@KenDilanianNBC) December 12, 2018

Fedora Dostoyevsky (man alive), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 19:35 (six years ago)

C/D: Sashaying into work 45 minutes late with a coffee in one hand and a delicious breakfast sandwich in the other?

The Greta Van Gerwig (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 19:36 (six years ago)

he's just doing us all a favor

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 19:50 (six years ago)

maybe he's got the shits

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 19:54 (six years ago)

This would be the perfect time to impeach him.

Natalie Imbroglio (Leee), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 19:57 (six years ago)

The massive inefficiency with which the WH is run, which then extends to all departments of government, is one of the few saving graces of this administration. Imagine the damage that would be inflicted on us if Trump were ruthlessly efficient at implementing the agenda he espoused during the campaign. The stumblebum, ramshackle manner in which he runs things is a blessing.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 20:03 (six years ago)

so v true

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 20:06 (six years ago)

he's absolutely a fascist, but luckily he is a totally incompetent fascist

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 20:06 (six years ago)

remember that Cohen was Hannity's lawyer too

frogbs, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 20:13 (six years ago)

how easy would it be for this asshole to coast to a second term if he were even a bit less messy xp

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 20:15 (six years ago)

NARRATOR: He coasted easily to a second term

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 20:16 (six years ago)

I don't think he's gonna coast, this election is going to be insane

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 20:17 (six years ago)

Exclusive: The Trump administration has decided that Vietnamese migrants who arrived before the establishment of diplomatic ties between the U.S. and Vietnam are subject to standard immigration law—meaning they are all eligible for deportation. https://t.co/njUnvAjm8x

— The Atlantic (@TheAtlantic) December 12, 2018

mookieproof, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 20:21 (six years ago)

he didn't coast last time and lost the popular vote and there's absolutely nothing that suggests it won't be harder for him next time

No Smockin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 20:21 (six years ago)

That decision re Vietnam is insane. Talk about losing OC forever now.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 20:25 (six years ago)

Are we gonna deport Cubans now too?

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 20:25 (six years ago)

this election is going to be insane

All of 2019, too. We are not yet close to maxed out on the US capacity to generate insanity.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 20:26 (six years ago)

I just finished watching Tanner '88 for the umpteenth time along with lots of little news snippets from that period (eg Rather's contentious live interview with Bush) and...gee, what a quaint and sedate little election cycle that was!

We don't like hearing stories of a melted thermos. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 20:29 (six years ago)

Are we gonna deport Cubans now too?

obviously not, since they vote Republican

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 20:45 (six years ago)

Am sure most of the Vietnamese are US citizens. This trend of right-wingers cancelling naturalised people’s citizenship for ANY reason makes me very angry.

suzy, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 20:51 (six years ago)

Nationalized Cubans will deport themselves if it meant a free Cuba.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 20:55 (six years ago)

obviously not, since they vote Republican

Please tell me you're being incredibly sarcastic. The Vietnamese community in OC has overwhelmingly voted for the GOP for decades, and that trend has only recently changed.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 20:59 (six years ago)

Nationalized Cubans will deport themselves if it meant a free Cuba.

Romney was right!

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 20:59 (six years ago)

yes that was sarcasm

xp

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 21:08 (six years ago)

(mostly based on what is likely the one thing Trump can remember about Cubans from FL - they deliver him votes. Trump probably doesn't remember anything about Vietnam, except his bone spurs)

xp

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 21:11 (six years ago)

it is def a weird thing for them to do, not sure which wing of the GOP base needed to have its anti-Vietnamese prejudices appeased

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 21:12 (six years ago)

A certain S. Miller leaps to mind.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 21:14 (six years ago)

he's absolutely a fascist, but luckily he is a totally incompetent fascist

Actually, Nazi Germany was notoriously inefficient and ramshackle, with underlings more concerned with competing with each other to get in the Fuhrer's good books than actually running the country.

It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christ (Tom D.), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 21:23 (six years ago)

who said anything about Nazis

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 21:29 (six years ago)

it is def a weird thing for them to do, not sure which wing of the GOP base needed to have its anti-Vietnamese prejudices appeased


https://www.biography.com/.image/ar_1:1%2Cc_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cg_face%2Cq_auto:good%2Cw_300/MTE1ODA0OTcxODYwOTg1MzU3/mark-wahlberg-9542335-1-402.jpg

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 21:32 (six years ago)

nazism of small differences

Moussa- ppl gon die (darraghmac), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 21:32 (six years ago)

Oh, I forgot, they were Socialists.

It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christ (Tom D.), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 21:37 (six years ago)

not sure what argument you're having or with who but carry on

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 21:39 (six years ago)

Confirmed: Trump told Meadows he wants him to remain in Congress rather than be next COS

— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) December 12, 2018

so meadows said no, huh https://t.co/ZNzF74XCEt

— Kilgore Trout (@KT_So_It_Goes) December 12, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 21:42 (six years ago)

not sure what argument you're having or with who but carry on

You're the one that's having it. Leave me out of it.

It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christ (Tom D.), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 21:48 (six years ago)

good shit guys

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 21:52 (six years ago)

he's absolutely a fascist, but luckily he is a totally incompetent fascist

Actually, Nazi Germany was notoriously inefficient and ramshackle, with underlings more concerned with competing with each other to get in the Fuhrer's good books than actually running the country.

― It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christ (Tom D.), Wednesday, December 12, 2018 3:23 PM (thirty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

did mussolini really make the trains run on time? why do ppl say that? my gut says it's bullshit but i don't know

No Smockin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 21:55 (six years ago)

The lampposts were second to none. In Milan anyway.

It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christ (Tom D.), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 21:56 (six years ago)

A certain S. Miller leaps to mind.

yeah, the constant roiling chaos on top at the moment is letting Miller get a new policy through every week or so, while the news pays attention to the narcissist

sans lep (sic), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 21:56 (six years ago)

He coordinated his coup using the railway.

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 21:58 (six years ago)

(Mussolini, that is.)

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 21:58 (six years ago)

I dunno where the thread to rate the competency (however that is measured) of fascist regimes is, but it's not this one fwiw

xp

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 21:59 (six years ago)

EPA announced plans to axe the Clean Water Act yesterday

sans lep (sic), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 22:00 (six years ago)

Flashback:

Trump widens a generation gap in Vietnamese community: Older hard-liners vs. liberal youths

By ANH DO
FEB 19, 2017

80-year-old Steve Tran lifted the lid on the news rack along Little Saigon's Moran Street and exclaimed: "Great man!"

"I tell you, this idea he has of keeping out Muslims is the right thing to do," said the 80-year-old, a refugee of the Vietnam War. "We are the good refugees. They're not political refugees like we were. There are two types of people who want to come to America — those who seek freedom and those who go out to destroy it."

But Tran's grandson takes a decidedly grimmer view of Trump's crackdown, and that speaks to a larger generational divide in a community so profoundly built around its refugee roots.

"It's a little racist to consider that Muslims are terrorists and to think that if one Muslim does something bad, others are like him too. That's not what I was taught," Kevin Tran, 14, said.

https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-ln-viet-refugees-20170219-story.html

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 23:21 (six years ago)

oh look Pelosi's going to be Speaker after all

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 23:23 (six years ago)

Dunking on Trump to his face sure didn't hurt.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 23:34 (six years ago)

she should be speaker now, she shouldn't be in December 2020

sans lep (sic), Wednesday, 12 December 2018 23:35 (six years ago)

generally speaking I don't like term limits as a policy, but 4 years makes sense for her because best case scenario the Dems re-take the WH in 2020 and solidify their House majority, she's there to shepherd through major legislation when it will be most likely to pass prior to them likely losing seats in 2020, when it will be time for new leadership.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 23:41 (six years ago)

Not to be glib about Shakey's and my rep, but 78's a good age and all. If the idea is she'll wrap up when she's 82, I don't exactly blame her.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 23:43 (six years ago)

that too

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 23:51 (six years ago)

Who would be her successor, if she passed away?

Darin, Wednesday, 12 December 2018 23:56 (six years ago)

did mussolini really make the trains run on time? why do ppl say that? my gut says it's bullshit but i don't know

― No Smockin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, December 12, 2018 9:55 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I've read that in addition to the coup thing it was also a sarcastic acknowledgement that things generally sucked in Italy at the time, that indeed not even the trains ran on time

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 13 December 2018 00:01 (six years ago)

NEW: Michael Cohen's attorney/spokesman @LannyDavis said that false testimony was shared with the White House before Cohen submitted it to Congress and it is possible Trump was aware at the time that Cohen would make false statements. https://t.co/7Uxkg0uvL1

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) December 12, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 December 2018 00:01 (six years ago)

Who would be her successor, if she passed away?

Steny Hoyer

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 December 2018 00:03 (six years ago)

also bite yr tongue

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 December 2018 00:03 (six years ago)

Given Leader Pelosi's new timetable, I am happy to support her for Speaker.

- Rufus T Morbius (D - Freedonia)

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 December 2018 01:20 (six years ago)

a new challenger enters the arena

Hey little buddy @realDonaldTrump u need a bash brother for Chief if Staff. Got a secret reorg plan already. Also worried about you looking more like a Twinkie everyday. I will buff you up daily workouts. DM me. #yeswecanseco

— Jose Canseco (@JoseCanseco) December 13, 2018

Karl Malone, Thursday, 13 December 2018 02:06 (six years ago)

Lmaoooo

frogbs, Thursday, 13 December 2018 02:14 (six years ago)

I keep forgetting Canseco's still alive...

Infidels, Like Dylan In The Eighties (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 13 December 2018 02:15 (six years ago)

his twitter is excellent

Karl Malone, Thursday, 13 December 2018 02:17 (six years ago)

a+ hashtag

mookieproof, Thursday, 13 December 2018 02:19 (six years ago)

Canseco and Axl Rose are tied for my favorite Resistance celebs

louise ck (milo z), Thursday, 13 December 2018 02:20 (six years ago)

Chief if Staff lets fuckin go

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 13 December 2018 02:32 (six years ago)

Rufus T Morbius (D - Freedonia)

lol

Dan S, Thursday, 13 December 2018 02:45 (six years ago)

Pramilaaaaaa

Thank you, next. https://t.co/sSJq2MsGi1

— Rep. Pramila Jayapal (@RepJayapal) December 13, 2018

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Thursday, 13 December 2018 02:50 (six years ago)

I know this is America and my vote doesn't matter but I nominate this as the next thread title: "Also worried about you looking more like a Twinkie everyday."

Natalie Imbroglio (Leee), Thursday, 13 December 2018 02:57 (six years ago)

also "I will buff you up daily workouts. DM me"

Dan S, Thursday, 13 December 2018 03:12 (six years ago)

Oh, so THAT'S how that will work...

I often stated, “One way or the other, Mexico is going to pay for the Wall.” This has never changed. Our new deal with Mexico (and Canada), the USMCA, is so much better than the old, very costly & anti-USA NAFTA deal, that just by the money we save, MEXICO IS PAYING FOR THE WALL!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 13, 2018

Infidels, Like Dylan In The Eighties (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 13 December 2018 14:55 (six years ago)

Despite President Donald Trump’s public declaration that he isn’t concerned about impeachment, he has told people close to him in recent days that he is alarmed by the prospect, according to multiple sources.

Trump’s fear about the possibility has escalated as the consequences of federal investigations involving his associates and Democratic control of the House sink in, the sources said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-confides-friends-he-s-concerned-about-impeachment-n947296

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 December 2018 15:08 (six years ago)

fake news, he doesn't have any friends

frogbs, Thursday, 13 December 2018 15:11 (six years ago)

anyone with money and/or power has "friends"

resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 13 December 2018 15:12 (six years ago)

He's having a busy morning.

I never directed Michael Cohen to break the law. He was a lawyer and he is supposed to know the law. It is called “advice of counsel,” and a lawyer has great liability if a mistake is made. That is why they get paid. Despite that many campaign finance lawyers have strongly......

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 13, 2018

....stated that I did nothing wrong with respect to campaign finance laws, if they even apply, because this was not campaign finance. Cohen was guilty on many charges unrelated to me, but he plead to two campaign charges which were not criminal and of which he probably was not...

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 13, 2018

....guilty even on a civil basis. Those charges were just agreed to by him in order to embarrass the president and get a much reduced prison sentence, which he did-including the fact that his family was temporarily let off the hook. As a lawyer, Michael has great liability to me!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 13, 2018

grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 13 December 2018 15:12 (six years ago)

That reads very much like a tweet Donald Trump composed without the aid of any other person!

Home Despot (Old Lunch), Thursday, 13 December 2018 15:14 (six years ago)

ugh I hate it when people tweet-thread with ellipses

resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 13 December 2018 15:15 (six years ago)

Whoever is advising him in CYA tactics is still doing a shitty job at advising him to just STFU.

Home Despot (Old Lunch), Thursday, 13 December 2018 15:16 (six years ago)

go ahead. keep screaming "Shut The Fuck Up " at me. it only makes my opinions Worse

— wint (@dril) March 10, 2018

frogbs, Thursday, 13 December 2018 15:47 (six years ago)

This, somehow, is an actual DHS press release: "DHS is committed to building wall and building wall quickly." https://t.co/T3p6ecj4NS pic.twitter.com/lcDXZozvo6

— Christopher Ingraham (@_cingraham) December 13, 2018

mookieproof, Thursday, 13 December 2018 15:48 (six years ago)

Hulk is committed to smashing wall and smashing wall quickly.

Home Despot (Old Lunch), Thursday, 13 December 2018 15:50 (six years ago)

DHS is a Russian bot

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Thursday, 13 December 2018 15:51 (six years ago)

FACT: Prior to President Trump taking office, we have never built wall that high.

jmm, Thursday, 13 December 2018 15:55 (six years ago)

this is like directly from Patriothole wtf is even going on here

frogbs, Thursday, 13 December 2018 15:57 (six years ago)

good candidate for January thread title though

frogbs, Thursday, 13 December 2018 15:58 (six years ago)

He was talking like this in the Pelosi/Schumer conversation, iirc? Using 'wall' as like a mass noun.

jmm, Thursday, 13 December 2018 15:58 (six years ago)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUVm8E8WkAA6vCm.jpg

Home Despot (Old Lunch), Thursday, 13 December 2018 16:03 (six years ago)

McConnell is delivering his farewell tribute to @JeffFlake on the Senate floor, notes he once topped the Hill's 50 most beautiful list.

"Talk about an achievement that a few of us could even aspire to."

— Seung Min Kim (@seungminkim) December 13, 2018

j., Thursday, 13 December 2018 16:07 (six years ago)

McConnell's farewell tribute will be delivered in a public toilet.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 13 December 2018 16:10 (six years ago)

Oh come now, Mitch, you're still one of god's creatures. Your beauty is akin to a mass of kelp being buffeted by the ocean's currents, maybe not a mug you want to glare at for too long but still among nature's miracles.

Home Despot (Old Lunch), Thursday, 13 December 2018 16:11 (six years ago)

McConnell's farewell tribute will be delivered in a public toilet.

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, December 13, 2018 11:10 AM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Given the rumors, this is more true than you think.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 December 2018 16:14 (six years ago)

No, you're thinking of Lindsay Graham.

grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 13 December 2018 16:14 (six years ago)

Wide stance?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 13 December 2018 16:15 (six years ago)

many campaign finance lawyers

how do these multiple specialists find enough work to keep busy in the two years between elections

ugh I hate it when people tweet-thread with ellipses

infuriatingly, despite being on twitter 19 hours a day, he has not yet learnt to thread his tweets.

sans lep (sic), Thursday, 13 December 2018 16:37 (six years ago)

No, you're thinking of Lindsay Graham.

― grawlix (unperson),

Huckleberry too.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 December 2018 16:38 (six years ago)

good afternoon!

reggie (qualmsley), Thursday, 13 December 2018 16:59 (six years ago)

and the tax returns?

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 December 2018 17:02 (six years ago)

wither the taxes

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 13 December 2018 17:07 (six years ago)

where my taxes at?

No Smockin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 December 2018 17:10 (six years ago)

in the wall

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 December 2018 17:11 (six years ago)

false: wall is transparent

Karl Malone, Thursday, 13 December 2018 17:12 (six years ago)

How I Shot Wall

Infidels, Like Dylan In The Eighties (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 13 December 2018 17:14 (six years ago)

he has told people close to him in recent days that he is alarmed by the prospect

when you've gotten away with fraud and malfeasance for so long, it comes as a shock to learn that there may be serious consequences to telling lies and committing non-violent crimes. just the way he treated the funds in his "charity" gives an open window into his usual mindset about such stuff.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 13 December 2018 17:14 (six years ago)

how is wall formed

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 13 December 2018 17:18 (six years ago)

I mean, people say things all the time and they don't actually mean anything. Like when you say you're going to pay a contractor to do something. Nobody takes that seriously. Whodathunk that someone might have the wherewithal and ability to actually, like, follow through on a declared intention?

Home Despot (Old Lunch), Thursday, 13 December 2018 17:19 (six years ago)

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/nepkkq/alleged-russian-agent-maria-butina-admits-to-conspiracy-against-us?utm_source=dmfb

Infidels, Like Dylan In The Eighties (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 13 December 2018 17:40 (six years ago)

every time you read about paul erickson today

https://i.imgur.com/7VqBJpD.jpg

Karl Malone, Thursday, 13 December 2018 17:42 (six years ago)

can we not give the white supremacist shitrag clicklinks plz

xp

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 December 2018 17:43 (six years ago)

paul erickson is roger furlong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfaALtuZ7vM

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 13 December 2018 17:54 (six years ago)

(3) The notion that getting rid of Trump via the 2020 election is going to have any effect whatsoever on the fact that 40%, more or less, of the population is made up of people who support what the Trump political phenomenon represents (white ethno-nationalism with strong authoritarian overtones) is wishful thinking. Trump is much more a symptom than a cause. He will have many heirs in the Republican party, some of whom will be far more competent politicians and/or less dysfunctional human beings.

(4) That said, most people don’t follow politics very closely. We can hope that a lot of Trump’s support is made up of what could be called “soft” ethno-nationalist authoritarians, who are not particularly zealous about pursing the proto-fascist herrenvolk democracy that is the political ideal for Trump’s core support. One great question of the moment is what exactly the proportion is between Republicans in the former and latter categories.

DONALD TRUMP IS AS POPULAR AS EVER AMONG REPUBLICANS, AND HAS A GOOD SHOT AT BEING RE-ELECTED

Karl Malone, Thursday, 13 December 2018 17:59 (six years ago)

For Shakes...

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/maria-butina-pleads-guilty-russia-768777/amp/

Infidels, Like Dylan In The Eighties (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 13 December 2018 18:00 (six years ago)

sounds about right

xp

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 December 2018 18:01 (six years ago)

I like to take solace in the fact that there are fewer republicans these days but yeah .. =|

xp

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 13 December 2018 18:02 (six years ago)

the point about others following in his footsteps is the most worrying thing. i'm trying to think of the loudest, most competent asshole

Karl Malone, Thursday, 13 December 2018 18:03 (six years ago)

is joe rogan competent?

i don't want to experience the next 20 years

Karl Malone, Thursday, 13 December 2018 18:04 (six years ago)

Gohmert 2024

JoeStork, Thursday, 13 December 2018 18:04 (six years ago)

gohmert can barely walk through a door

Karl Malone, Thursday, 13 December 2018 18:05 (six years ago)

Remember there were like 12 other guys running in the primary against Trump, I don't see any new contenders that have broken out of that kind of pack, with the required star power that Trump brings. the party's gonna be in disarray without him.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 December 2018 18:05 (six years ago)

mostly cuz right now everyone's either got their heads down and just trying to get along (various Senators), a rabid Trump surrogate (also most often a corrupt moron ie Nunes), or old guard trying to survive (Kasich et al)

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 December 2018 18:06 (six years ago)

there's still a lot of time until 2024 for the republicans to find a successor

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 13 December 2018 18:07 (six years ago)

It’s going to be one of these popular nazi-adjacent youtubers isn’t it

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 13 December 2018 18:09 (six years ago)

is joe rogan competent?


god prob some shit like this

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 13 December 2018 18:11 (six years ago)

I could see Dwayne Johnson/the Rock making a go of it

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 December 2018 18:14 (six years ago)

the rock / kid rock imo

Karl Malone, Thursday, 13 December 2018 18:15 (six years ago)

President Trump: Do we know for sure that Michael Cohen even exists?

Home Despot (Old Lunch), Thursday, 13 December 2018 18:17 (six years ago)

let's not get ourselves into a "oh no i hear rick perry is from texas and is unstoppable" type lather just yet. what you'll actually see is on the one hand a bunch of marco rubios - robotic plastic conservatives awkwardly and pathetically trying to imitate trumpiness. on the other, a bunch of genuinely trumpy loons who are creepy and gross and shitty, we've seen this in a lot of the lower-level races over the last couple years. of THOSE, half will crash and burn in the primaries (again look at the last couple years) and the other half just won't be able to put together the kind of electoral map that let trump win. their appeal will be too niche, their fascist only-i-can-fix-it boasts won't resonate right, they won't be running against hillary clinton, and their gross opinions and misconduct will stick to them in ways it didn't to trump, even if his opinions and misconduct are massively worse. he's not easily copied imho.

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 13 December 2018 18:18 (six years ago)

I would like to hope that one very very small positive that might maybe result from this era is a slight uptick in people's general ability to reckon constructively with the ever-shifting ontological landscape of the pathological liar.

Home Despot (Old Lunch), Thursday, 13 December 2018 18:19 (six years ago)

I could see Dwayne Johnson/the Rock making a go of it

― Οὖτις, Thursday, December 13, 2018 10:14 AM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

too moderate and not white, don't see it

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 13 December 2018 18:24 (six years ago)

I agree w Doc Casino about the field, ppl that will be able replicate Trump's success are thin on the ground

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 December 2018 18:25 (six years ago)

he's not easily copied imho

Even less easy to copy is winning the electoral college while losing the popular vote by more than 3,000,000 votes.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 13 December 2018 18:28 (six years ago)

I'm sure I'm not the first to do this, but couldn't resist.

https://i.ibb.co/T4H12Gn/Dirty-Deeds-DT.jpg

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 13 December 2018 18:29 (six years ago)

he's not easily copied imho.

it's true. i still think he'll inspire a lot of other people to attempt to follow in his footsteps, though. the trump election refreshed a racist strategy that many thought had expired. his election came in the aftermath of the 2014 election GOP autopsy about immigration where it seemed like everyone was getting on board with the idea of not rallying around xenophobia quite so intensely. it's not exactly the same, but it kind of reminds me of reagan's triumphs of the 80s, as a throwback to 1964 goldwater-style conservatism that many thought was long discredited.

trump's successes (with his base) gives future GOP candidates a recent example of how effective xenophobia and fearmongering can be. if there's a time in the 2020s when a more moderate GOP candidate loses, the desire among the republican base for a proudly cruel leader will just intensify. his popularity now almost guarantees that someone will make a bid to follow in his footsteps later. i don't think the successor will look or talk like trump. they'll be a mutation of him, just as he's a mutation of reagan

Karl Malone, Thursday, 13 December 2018 18:30 (six years ago)

(Aimless gazes deep into his crystal ball, impressively waving his hands across its surface several times.)

The unmasking of such a large bloc of voters who do not blink or flinch at Trump's xenophobia, autocracy, and undisguised white supremacy means that someone will certainly grasp for his mantle and try to ride that bloc into nationally-based power. The necessity of creating broad coalitions in order to be elected president makes this strategy a tricky one to ride all the way into the White House, but it does ensure that unapologetically racist politics will have plenty of champions in Congress and statehouses where the Trump numbers are most favorable.

Far from discrediting racism, Trump's impressive support through all the corruption, gaffes, scandals, and chaos has brightly illuminated just how slavishly devoted the quasi-racist voter bloc is to those who win their loyalty.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 13 December 2018 18:46 (six years ago)

is joe rogan competent?

i don't want to experience the next 20 years

― Karl Malone, Thursday, December 13, 2018 6:04 PM (forty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Dana White 2024 tbh

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Thursday, 13 December 2018 18:55 (six years ago)

A former staffer on The Apprentice and current stand-up comic named Noel Casler claims that Donald Trump was a “speed freak” who snorted crushed-up Adderall, and also says that Trump invited teen beauty pageant contestants up to his suite.

During a recent performance, Casler told the crowd that he worked on The Apprentice for six seasons, as well as some of Trump’s beauty pageants during the 1990s, and he made some brutal revelations:

I worked on a bunch of those beauty pageants he had in the nineties too. That was a good idea, Miss teen universe? Yeah, that’s like giving Jeffrey Dahmer a cooking show. He would line up the girls on the side of the stage, and he would inspect them literally, he would stick his little freaking doll fingers in their mouth and look at their teeth. I’m not kidding, this is true, he would line them up like they were pieces of meat. He’d be like, “You, you, and you, if you want to win I’m in the penthouse suite, come and see me.” Yep. If Trump had a cooking show they’d caught the douchebag diet. McDonald’s, chocolate ice cream, and girls that look like Ivanka are all he ever eats.

Casler then claimed that Trump is a “speed freak,” and that Trump “crushes up his Adderall and he sniffs it because he can’t read, so he gets really nervous when he has to read the cue cards.”

Casler told the crowd “I’m not kidding this is true. I had a 24-page NDA non-disclosure agreement, I didn’t know that he was becoming president, now it’s no way dumbass, I’m telling you everything I know.”


https://www.mediaite.com/donald-trump/former-apprentice-staffer-claims-trump-was-speed-freak-invited-teen-beauty-queens-to-his-suite/"> https://www.mediaite.com/donald-trump/former-apprentice-staffer-claims-trump-was-speed-freak-invited-teen-beauty-queens-to-his-suite/

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 13 December 2018 19:00 (six years ago)

Maybe this guy will give it a go in 2036

This is the official Twitter account of Julian von Abele, which I will use to communicate my thoughts and updates on my situation. pic.twitter.com/F7woD4rwNi

— Julian von Abele (@VonAbele) December 12, 2018

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Thursday, 13 December 2018 19:01 (six years ago)

hey, i chose the c/d thread for that one

xp

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 December 2018 19:01 (six years ago)

🤷‍♂️

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 13 December 2018 19:04 (six years ago)

some people I consider viable heirs to the gop throne: tom cotton, nikki haley

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 13 December 2018 19:08 (six years ago)

Well that's been a full morning. Good thread on a key thing:

THREAD: What can we learn from the cooperation deal with Russian spy Maria Butina? (Answer: A lot.)

— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 13, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 December 2018 19:28 (six years ago)

Ah yes

Pres Trump says he's down to 5 candidates for WH Chief of Staff. Calls them "really good ones. Terrific people. Mostly well known." Says they're undergoing interviews. pic.twitter.com/hZIFA8eNx0

— Mark Knoller (@markknoller) December 13, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 December 2018 19:34 (six years ago)

it's gonna be Jared

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 December 2018 19:37 (six years ago)

it will be newt

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 13 December 2018 19:38 (six years ago)

A fusion

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 December 2018 19:39 (six years ago)

newt is capable of the self-delusion and ambition necessary to accept, if it is offered. he wouldn't last long.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 13 December 2018 19:40 (six years ago)

Eye of Newt, toe of Jared. xp

Natalie Imbroglio (Leee), Thursday, 13 December 2018 19:40 (six years ago)

oh man I have been hoping Newt would somehow make it into Trump's inner circle since he picked a VP

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 December 2018 19:41 (six years ago)

I don't actually think Newt would take the job. It's too backstage/behind-the-scenes for him. He's like Schumer; if he can't get in front of a microphone or camera at least once a day he starts melting.

grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 13 December 2018 19:44 (six years ago)

newt would take it in a heartbeat imo. AND he'll find a way to get on camera at the same time

Karl Malone, Thursday, 13 December 2018 19:46 (six years ago)

haven't read this quite yet but seems useful:

.@SarahKliff and @dylanlscott read the 8 major Democratic plans to expand Medicare, Medicaid, or just health care, and explained how they all work, and where they all differ. You'll want to bookmark this. https://t.co/jFWvZ2TWp3

— Ezra Klein (@ezraklein) December 13, 2018

Karl Malone, Thursday, 13 December 2018 19:47 (six years ago)

I could see him saying "Host ALL your private office debates in front of the cameras!" and then he and Trump ranting about moonbases and cocaine in front of Schumer and Pelosi while Pence finally just pretends to be dead.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 December 2018 19:47 (six years ago)

it's gonna be Jared

― Οὖτις, Thursday, December 13, 2018 1:37 PM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Fogle?

frogbs, Thursday, 13 December 2018 19:48 (six years ago)

We're well past the bottom of the barrel, but never discount the potential depths which might still be reached.

Home Despot (Old Lunch), Thursday, 13 December 2018 20:11 (six years ago)

true there's gotta be some anti-trafficking organization he can be appointed to

frogbs, Thursday, 13 December 2018 20:13 (six years ago)

*very mall voice*

He went with JARED!

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 13 December 2018 20:14 (six years ago)

off topic, if someone dupes and blackmails you are you allowed to claim there was no collusion with them? Asking for a friend.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 13 December 2018 20:15 (six years ago)

Brundlefly Kushnewt

WmC, Thursday, 13 December 2018 20:17 (six years ago)

My brain is melting

President Trump tells Fox News: "I think I have the greatest face in the history of politics. I have people that I love and that love me, frankly, that includes a lot of women. I’ve got a tremendous percentage of women last time, remember?"

— Vivian Salama (@vmsalama) December 13, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 December 2018 20:18 (six years ago)

52% of white women iirc so broken clock etc

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 13 December 2018 20:21 (six years ago)

senate votes to withdraw US military support for saudi arabia in yemen

what's crazy about all this is that if trump just would have went with the boilerplate response of "we strongly condemn saudi arabia's role in the death of Khashoggi", this entire vote never would have happened

as it stands, another point for his incompetence leading to unexpected positive outcomes

Karl Malone, Thursday, 13 December 2018 20:24 (six years ago)

President Trump tells Fox News: "I think I have the greatest face in the history of politics.

triumphinsultcomicdog.jpg

Home Despot (Old Lunch), Thursday, 13 December 2018 20:26 (six years ago)

idk how big a deal this is given that the bill is DOA

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 December 2018 20:28 (six years ago)

xp

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 December 2018 20:28 (six years ago)

like, Trump doesn't even have to veto it.

If it's brought up again in the *new* Congress (where I'm sure it would pass the House), well that's a different story

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 December 2018 20:28 (six years ago)

Trump's use of "frankly" right before he's going to brag about something is so great

No Smockin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 December 2018 20:30 (six years ago)

Rep. Colin Peterson (D) on siding with GOP on Yemen vote: “Our party gets off on tangents”

— Jeff Stein (@JStein_WaPo) December 12, 2018

resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 13 December 2018 20:42 (six years ago)

Shakey Downer...

HISTORIC VICTORY: The Senate has voted to stop U.S. military support for the Saudi-led coalition fighting in Yemen. This is the first time ever that the Senate has voted to end an unauthorized war. https://t.co/8SLVTA5m2d

— Bernie Sanders (@SenSanders) December 13, 2018

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 December 2018 20:50 (six years ago)

Hi everyone—-The Fox News transcript apparently has a typo in it. President Trump apparently said he has the greatest BASE in the history of politics, not “FACE”. I deleted my last tweet. Transcript (w/typo) attached! pic.twitter.com/7PcXLn63K5

— Vivian Salama (@vmsalama) December 13, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 December 2018 20:51 (six years ago)

Face of Base.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 December 2018 20:51 (six years ago)

what's sad is that trump saying he had the greatest face in politics didn't even surprise me, like not even a little bit. it seemed like a thing he would say

Karl Malone, Thursday, 13 December 2018 20:52 (six years ago)

speaking of faces -- have Bernie, Mike Lee, and Chris Murphy been photographed together before today?

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 December 2018 20:57 (six years ago)

If Pecker told Mueller this, the question of Trump's culpability on the campaign finance charges is settled. https://t.co/r8wYeP5lwF

— Philip Bump (@pbump) December 13, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 December 2018 21:03 (six years ago)

cool so we just wait 2 years for an indictment, right?

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 December 2018 21:13 (six years ago)

https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/a68c6b30-0d56-4320-bda6-04bbc9f5fd7e

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 December 2018 21:22 (six years ago)

BREAKING: Trump inauguration spending under criminal investigation by federal prosecutors; probe partly arises out of materials seized in investigation of Michael Cohen - Dow Joneshttps://t.co/vkI6jV6Gvm

— CNBC Now (@CNBCnow) December 13, 2018

mookieproof, Thursday, 13 December 2018 21:34 (six years ago)

yeah but so many people attended

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 December 2018 21:35 (six years ago)

hahahahahahahaaaaaa

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 December 2018 21:35 (six years ago)

this is almost certainly about the Russian dudes there and their funding, right?

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 December 2018 21:35 (six years ago)

or "donations" or whatever it was

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 December 2018 21:36 (six years ago)

it is really starting to seem like these investigations are fruiting exponentially

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 13 December 2018 21:37 (six years ago)

Donald Trump was the third person in the room in Aug. 2015 when Michael Cohen and National Enquirer publisher David Pecker discussed ways Pecker could help counter negative stories about Trump's relationships with women, @NBCNews has confirmed. https://t.co/MG85CRHEE2

— NBC News (@NBCNews) December 13, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 13 December 2018 21:38 (six years ago)

it's like an animated fractal generator but with shit

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 13 December 2018 21:40 (six years ago)

more on the inauguration thing

The Manhattan U.S. attorney's office is probing whether donors gave money to Trump's inaugural committee in exchange for access to the Trump administration, policy concessions or to influence administration positions in violation of anti-corruption laws.https://t.co/FVekGLk6pK

— andrew kaczynski (@KFILE) December 13, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 13 December 2018 21:41 (six years ago)

xp three guys in a room just getting back to basics, falling in love with payoffs all over again

mookieproof, Thursday, 13 December 2018 21:42 (six years ago)

well, that's it

i can no longer keep track of all of these investigations

holy shit

Karl Malone, Thursday, 13 December 2018 21:46 (six years ago)

is there a @Taniel esque person who keeps a giant spreadsheet with all of the investigations and their current status?

Karl Malone, Thursday, 13 December 2018 21:47 (six years ago)

I guess that’s the thing with a guy like Cohen working in the territory he was in, he was capable of violating probably more laws at any given time and he even knew.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 13 December 2018 21:47 (six years ago)

Than he even knew

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 13 December 2018 21:48 (six years ago)

I wonder if after all this stuff is served up and sorted out we'll still get a pee tape

like a kind of digestif

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 13 December 2018 21:50 (six years ago)

is there a @Taniel esque person who keeps a giant spreadsheet with all of the investigations and their current status?

Robert Mueller iirc

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 13 December 2018 21:54 (six years ago)

trumpmc.xls

No Smockin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 December 2018 21:58 (six years ago)

Yemen vote seems like a big deal even if it doesn’t get to the floor

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 13 December 2018 22:01 (six years ago)

yessss

NEW: Trump considering Jared Kushner for chief of staff, @svdate reports https://t.co/4QxSVw4zm1

— Igor Bobic (@igorbobic) December 13, 2018

mookieproof, Thursday, 13 December 2018 22:05 (six years ago)

Telling ya, have it both him and Newt, let them argue.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 13 December 2018 22:08 (six years ago)

in space

Karl Malone, Thursday, 13 December 2018 22:09 (six years ago)

Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO) this week got frank about President Donald Trump’s decision to send troops down to the US-Mexico border, calling it “made-for-television bullshit.”

In an interview with the New Yorker, the outgoing Democrat discussed the migrant caravan Trump had used repeatedly as a talking point against immigration during election season.

“I do think that the caravan presented a problem,” McCaskill said. “It just wasn’t a problem that was presented to the American people that, somehow, we needed to have the military on the border to—what? Mow ’em down as they came across the border? Shoot ’em?”

“I mean, that was made-for-television bullshit,” she scoffed.

i could be misreading missouri politics, but i think she would have done better had she adopted this tone from the beginning of the 2018 campaign

Karl Malone, Thursday, 13 December 2018 22:21 (six years ago)

Missourians like cursing, right?

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 December 2018 22:31 (six years ago)

to the point of not even noticing it

Karl Malone, Thursday, 13 December 2018 22:34 (six years ago)

Is Jared going to have clearance after January

Stevolende, Thursday, 13 December 2018 23:39 (six years ago)

so assuming the current Congress doesn't arrive at a deal (looks likely) and the gov't shuts down until January 1st... what happens when the new congress comes in? Pelosi isn't gonna give Trump his $5 billion, does 25% of the gov't just shut down indefinitely?

Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 December 2018 23:47 (six years ago)

feel like a lot of major western imperial powers are holding a gun to their own heads rn and muttering threats to shoot

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 14 December 2018 00:13 (six years ago)

fire away sez I

Οὖτις, Friday, 14 December 2018 00:17 (six years ago)

Genius!

Kevin McCarthy, when I asked about Trump being implicated in two crimes and his campaign allegedly working with AMI to conceal hush-money payments before elections, blamed Michael Cohen.

"If you hire an attorney to solve a problem, do you expect the attorney to do it legally?"

— Manu Raju (@mkraju) December 13, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 December 2018 00:22 (six years ago)

great excuse

Dan S, Friday, 14 December 2018 03:01 (six years ago)

tbf there is no way to know that paying hush money to a porn star for silence during a presidential election campaign is iffy

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Friday, 14 December 2018 03:56 (six years ago)

It was done in my name, by my paid personal representative, after close consultation, at my behest, but I have nothing to do with it.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 14 December 2018 03:58 (six years ago)

i kind of believe them when they say it was just a business as usual pay-off, though. i mean they should have known better because of the campaign, but this was probably like the 25th person cohen had paid off, the 10th time national enquirer was involved. just making those numbers up but i long ago learned to just assume the worst happened with this fucking guy

Karl Malone, Friday, 14 December 2018 03:59 (six years ago)

What happened with Florida's Amendment 4 , just saw last night's Samantha Bee after not thinking about it since i heard it passed and it sounds like the Republican party have tried to sweep it under the rug. Put it on deep backburner etc. Is it too early to say or have they actively tried to suppress it.

She had a feature on Republican attempts to derail popular election results.

Stevolende, Friday, 14 December 2018 12:34 (six years ago)

Our governor-elect!

https://www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2018/12/04/confusion-and-uncertainty-cloud-restoration-of-felons-voting-rights/

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 December 2018 12:47 (six years ago)

Here's another story, and I saw it coming. No way would the Florida GOP allow almost a million former felons, most of whom are people of color, back on the voting rolls without a fight:

All this talk about the legislature is baffling to elections supervisors and civil rights groups, who say the amendment was designed to be self-executing. The state Supreme Court unanimously approved the amendment’s language as clear and specific, saying voters could understand that the point was to “automatically” restore the affected population’s voting rights.

“I don’t think you need the legislature,” Manatee County election supervisor Mike Bennett told TPM.

A self-described “strong Republican” who tried to enact felon rights restoration during his 12 years in the state Senate, Bennett called himself an “advocate” for Amendment 4. As Bennett noted, the Senate Ethics & Elections Committee won’t have its first meeting until March, and any proposed measures will then have to pass the House, the Senate, and be approved by DeSantis.

“That process will take more time whereas if the secretary of state’s office handled it and came up with the definitions and clarifications, they could do it much faster,” he said.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 December 2018 12:49 (six years ago)

Did Maine ever implement Medicare for all or whatever the voters voted for? Isn't their asshole gov. refusing to implement the will of the voters as well? That kind of shit seems ... unconstitutional.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 14 December 2018 12:52 (six years ago)

"unconstitutional" means a democRAT did it. what republicans do is constitutional by definition iirc

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 14 December 2018 13:01 (six years ago)

republicraps imo ty good night

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 14 December 2018 13:52 (six years ago)

ZOMG, voices on the right are starting to ring the alarm on the deficit! Congress should get right on that ... in January ... when the Democrats take charge ...

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 14 December 2018 13:55 (six years ago)

https://www.npr.org/2018/12/14/676686304/7-year-old-girl-dies-in-u-s-border-patrol-custody

DHS's statement is effectively "shouldn't have come here..."

tell me again how this is not a concentration camp

frogbs, Friday, 14 December 2018 14:58 (six years ago)

"nobody got killed, nobody got robbed" would be an excellent title for the january thread, though I'm sure a billion more options will present themselves before 2019 rolls in

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 14 December 2018 15:17 (six years ago)

This is just incredibly heartbreaking

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 14 December 2018 15:36 (six years ago)

Beyond question.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 December 2018 15:45 (six years ago)

Meanwhile -- the Great Big Mystery Case proceeds

The DC Circuit is about to hear arguments in the sealed grand jury matter. They've sealed not only the courtroom, but the whole floor, so we've been moved away. Haven't recognized anyone going in earlier as being connected to Mueller's office, now we won't be able to see

— Zoe Tillman (@ZoeTillman) December 14, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 December 2018 15:45 (six years ago)

Are those kinds of precautions unusual? I don't see why they would take such extreme privacy/security measures unless it was either the president or they were discussing classified information. And they wouldn't be discussing the latter in this context, so it must be Trump stuff. Right?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 14 December 2018 16:10 (six years ago)

15,000 children in custody. fifteen fucking thousand

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 14 December 2018 16:10 (six years ago)

so who are the top 5 chief of staff candidates - Jared, Newt, Christie? lol

Οὖτις, Friday, 14 December 2018 16:29 (six years ago)

Only heard Jared's voice once and it was hilarious.

nashwan, Friday, 14 December 2018 16:31 (six years ago)

Kyl out as placeholder in AZ-Sen. by end of month.

WmC, Friday, 14 December 2018 16:33 (six years ago)

On the one hand, you need a high enough profile to have caught Trump's eye. On the other, you need some degree of awareness (conscious or not) that you have no real future in the public sector beyond maybe a Fox News talking head gig and/or 'writer' of right-wing historical fiction.

Home Despot (Old Lunch), Friday, 14 December 2018 16:33 (six years ago)

I mean, why not Hannity, man?

Home Despot (Old Lunch), Friday, 14 December 2018 16:34 (six years ago)

Gorka-Miller tag team.

WmC, Friday, 14 December 2018 16:35 (six years ago)

christie's never getting in as long as jared's around

mookieproof, Friday, 14 December 2018 16:36 (six years ago)

"Yesterday Belongs To Me" xxxpost

Mark G, Friday, 14 December 2018 16:36 (six years ago)

Miller is in charge right now, he wouldn’t give up power for a more prominent, shit job from which he would soon be fired.

sans lep (sic), Friday, 14 December 2018 16:41 (six years ago)

Also, credit where it's due, he does seem to recognize how much he benefits from hiding his nuclear-grade repellence from the general public.

Home Despot (Old Lunch), Friday, 14 December 2018 16:45 (six years ago)

christie's never getting in as long as jared's around

― mookieproof, Friday, December 14, 2018 4:36 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

round two of him being brought in for a job and then ultimately humiliated. they literally threw his work on the transition in a fucking trash can. christie deserves all the shit they give him.

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 14 December 2018 16:48 (six years ago)

iirc from one of those insider books-- Trump is still pissed at Christie for turning down the Attorney General job

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Friday, 14 December 2018 16:55 (six years ago)

Christie is a turd but I don't think he would be craven enough to do what Trump wants his AG to do

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 14 December 2018 17:12 (six years ago)

yeah Christie is used to trying to keep his nose clean for instance

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Friday, 14 December 2018 17:15 (six years ago)

at least cf. Bridgegate; it's wild he was not indicted over that

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Friday, 14 December 2018 17:16 (six years ago)

Ah yes

CORRECTION: I didn’t say payments were not a big crime. I have said consistently that the Daniels and McDougall payments are not crimes and tweeted a great article yesterday making that point . If it isn’t a witch-hunt why are they pursuing a non-crime.

— Rudy Giuliani (@RudyGiuliani) December 14, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 December 2018 17:19 (six years ago)

so Cohen was convicted of something that is not a crime, eh? how does that work, Mr. Mayor

Οὖτις, Friday, 14 December 2018 17:21 (six years ago)

man, if Cohen had just held out until Rudy tweeted that article!

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Friday, 14 December 2018 17:26 (six years ago)

Really enjoyed this thread that simultaneously notes how the system can be stacked and how Flynn and his defenders/enablers are opportunistic sacks of shit:

Yesterday I ridiculed a subset of Flynn defenders -- those who misrepresent the law and the way the system works. These are the fair-weather-friends of criminal defense.

But there is a principled argument that what happened to Flynn is wrong. /1 https://t.co/q2pwGzKkk4

— BigCrimeHat (@Popehat) December 14, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 December 2018 17:30 (six years ago)

As a member of the bar, Rudy is still considered to be "an officer of the court", isn't he? Publically undermining the legitimacy of the court's authority is a serious ethics violation.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 14 December 2018 17:34 (six years ago)

you need some degree of awareness (conscious or not) that you have no real future in the public sector

As with W's people, all but the most abject will be reinstated, probably to manage climate-change refugee camps. Wait and see.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 14 December 2018 17:41 (six years ago)

If it isn’t a witch-hunt why are they pursuing a non-crime.

rollsafe.gif

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 14 December 2018 17:43 (six years ago)

As with W's people

lol who are you talking about

Οὖτις, Friday, 14 December 2018 17:44 (six years ago)

Wolfowitz? Cheney? Rumsfeld? Harriet Meyers? Gonzalez? Any members of the Bush family?

Οὖτις, Friday, 14 December 2018 17:45 (six years ago)

my alma mater had ashcroft speak there last month

maura, Friday, 14 December 2018 17:55 (six years ago)

awww

Christie declines the chief of staff role. His statement: pic.twitter.com/DiZb5r01z0

— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) December 14, 2018

mookieproof, Friday, 14 December 2018 17:57 (six years ago)

idk if making the college lecture circuit counts as "reinstated"

it's certainly not a position of power

xp

Οὖτις, Friday, 14 December 2018 17:59 (six years ago)

lol burn.

also

WH spokesman Gidley "said he expects a decision soon but also suggested Trump could decide to “extend” his current deal with John Kelly," per pool.

— Annie Karni (@anniekarni) December 14, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 14 December 2018 18:01 (six years ago)

loooooool at christie turning it down

internationally recognized indicator of "this is pathetic"

Karl Malone, Friday, 14 December 2018 18:01 (six years ago)

so...if christie 'turned it down', this officially means that he was more desirable for the role than newt or jared? OUCH

Karl Malone, Friday, 14 December 2018 18:02 (six years ago)

mooch for CoS!

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 14 December 2018 18:03 (six years ago)

And again deleting clarifying earlier post, right statement this time - Christie was not offered the job, took himself out of running. pic.twitter.com/hIRUyIcHwh

— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) December 14, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 December 2018 18:06 (six years ago)

Shakey, the positions we were presented with were a Fox News talking head gig and/or 'writer' of right-wing historical fiction

John Yoo isn't either

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 14 December 2018 18:07 (six years ago)

so many family considerations for republicans this year, very odd timing

Karl Malone, Friday, 14 December 2018 18:07 (six years ago)

they have always been super pro-family tho

j., Friday, 14 December 2018 18:10 (six years ago)

White House aides/advisers told us this morning that Christie was a leading contender for chief of staff. @PhilipRucker & I had just finished astory. And now Christie puts out statement saying he's declining. So that's how this week has gone.

— Josh Dawsey (@jdawsey1) December 14, 2018

well-oiled machine

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 14 December 2018 18:10 (six years ago)

the positions we were presented with were a Fox News talking head gig and/or 'writer' of right-wing historical fiction

no, this is not what was posted. what was posted was in direct reference to a "future in the public sector" (Fox News is not the public sector) and you literally said they would be "reinstated" just like "W's people", the direct implication being that a) Trump's cronies will have a future employed by a government entity and b) this has happened with Dubya's staff. The latter is just totally incorrect, the former remains to be seen but the outlook isn't good.

xp

Οὖτις, Friday, 14 December 2018 18:10 (six years ago)

it's the same lizards, different skin

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Friday, 14 December 2018 18:13 (six years ago)

Apologies for sharing my own tweet but

IF EVER THERE WAS THE DEFINITION OF *NOT* BREAKING NEWS. pic.twitter.com/GWScbzWDAC

— Ned Raggett (@NedRaggett) December 14, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 December 2018 18:17 (six years ago)

hahahaha

No Smockin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 December 2018 18:20 (six years ago)

Entire floor at D.C. federal courthouse sealed off for mystery case:

https://www.ajc.com/news/national-govt--politics/entire-floor-federal-courthouse-sealed-off-for-mystery-case/JyerATnO5wL4gJKcS6nVJP/

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, 14 December 2018 18:28 (six years ago)

Probably has to do with the new Avengers movie.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 14 December 2018 18:30 (six years ago)

fingers crossed they're finally ready to indict crooked hillary

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 14 December 2018 18:34 (six years ago)

White House aides/advisers told us this morning that Christie was a leading contender for chief of staff. @PhilipRucker & I had just finished astory. And now Christie puts out statement saying he's declining. So that's how this week has gone.

i don't doubt that the trump white house is a chaotic confusing piece of shit, and i'm just totally speculating here, BUT

we don't know the identity of the anonymous "aides/advisers" who populate so many of these stories. we don't know how many there are, or what qualifies one as an official white house aide. but there is an incentive for people in the white house to refer to themselves as one, in terms of career building. there is also an incentive for "aides" to leak details to the press - it helps establish relationships that will probably benefit them later on in their career. so in the white house, you have an amorphous blob of "aides", some of whom are probably actually not that close to the decision-making (sorry alfred) process, who are eager for some reporter to listen to their version of events so that their status as "WH insider" can be codified.

on the other side, the press have corresponding motives for reaching out to people who are actually on the periphery of internal discussions and may have information that is out of date.

i don't doubt that the trump white house is a fucking mess, and all of the motives in play for leaking didn't seem to be such a problem for the obama's white house. it just seems like it's difficult to pinpoint when accounts of sudden reversals on key decisions from anonymous aides are real and when they're just a sign of one or more uninformed aides/reporters.

Karl Malone, Friday, 14 December 2018 18:38 (six years ago)

EXCLUSIVE: Russian agent Maria Butina claimed she had a "signed cooperation agreement" with the NRA https://t.co/nCjIGtNP5a via @MotherJones

— David Corn (@DavidCornDC) December 14, 2018

"The NRA would not confirm whether or not it had entered into a cooperation agreement with Butina’s group. 'The NRA says it is not aware of any such agreement,' a spokesperson for the gun lobbying group said in an emailed statement." https://t.co/xheHMnhnI5

— Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) December 14, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 December 2018 18:44 (six years ago)

KM, totally: whoever told the WP that Christie was in the lead had some kind of agenda. but whatever their motivation, it's difficult to come up with a way a completely false story about the identity of the next COS comes close to publication without the whitehouse being incredibly messed up and badly run.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 14 December 2018 18:50 (six years ago)

'The NRA says it is not aware of any such agreement,' a spokesperson for the gun lobbying group said

I love the grammatical distance at which the NRA spokesperson places the NRA's statement from themselves.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 14 December 2018 18:53 (six years ago)

i'm sure W's people fill the Deep State.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 14 December 2018 18:55 (six years ago)

really? you think Paul Wolfowitz is sorting mail at the DoD right or something?

Οὖτις, Friday, 14 December 2018 18:58 (six years ago)

we were talking about people in Trump and W's cabinet - Chief of Staff, etc. - not random low-level bureaucrats

Οὖτις, Friday, 14 December 2018 18:59 (six years ago)

xxxxxpost
I think people leak shit so Trump will see it on tv.

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Friday, 14 December 2018 19:01 (six years ago)

anyway, this subponae thing going on w Mueller has to be Trump, right? I can't imagine any other figure that would warrant this

Οὖτις, Friday, 14 December 2018 19:01 (six years ago)

xpost wut about Bolton

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Friday, 14 December 2018 19:02 (six years ago)

anyway, this subponae thing going on w Mueller has to be Trump, right? I can't imagine any other figure that would warrant this

Could be Kelly. Could be something else.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 December 2018 19:04 (six years ago)

Problems, problems.

New: @NYDailyNews reports that the New Jersey Attorney General’s office is investigating Trump’s golf club in Bedminster for “widespread harassment and immigration fraud” https://t.co/S6UjeEBKnT

— Scott Stedman (@ScottMStedman) December 14, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 December 2018 19:04 (six years ago)

Also

While Paul Manafort was the subject of a federal criminal investigation, he advised the Trump Administration to publicly attack the FBI, to falsely allege that Ukraine colluded with the DNC, and to attack Hillary Clinton and the Steele dossier, per @vox.https://t.co/yQHM6wHEub

— Renato Mariotti (@renato_mariotti) December 14, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 December 2018 19:05 (six years ago)

what was posted was in direct reference to a "future in the public sector" (Fox News is not the public sector) and you literally said they would be "reinstated" just like "W's people", the direct implication being that a) Trump's cronies will have a future employed by a government entity and b) this has happened with Dubya's staff. The latter is just totally incorrect, the former remains to be seen but the outlook isn't good.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiIsJnKgqDfAhVImuAKHZayC8QQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.politico.com%2Fstory%2F2018%2F08%2F20%2Fbrett-kavanaugh-bill-clinton-explicit-questions-lewinsky-789599&psig=AOvVaw3SiAVbTzehtuQiy65JmZGn&ust=1544900911553121

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Friday, 14 December 2018 19:09 (six years ago)

Kavanaugh wasn't in Dubya's cabinet

(actually neither was Bolton, technically speaking)

Οὖτις, Friday, 14 December 2018 19:11 (six years ago)

Bolton obviously higher profile than Kavanaugh at the time due to the fact that he couldn't get Senate approval and barely lasted a year

Οὖτις, Friday, 14 December 2018 19:11 (six years ago)

I see W's "people" and Trump's "cronies" now it's just cabinet members ok

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Friday, 14 December 2018 19:12 (six years ago)

jfc scroll up and read the exchange, idk why yr so eager to carry water for Morbz ahistorical bullshit

Οὖτις, Friday, 14 December 2018 19:13 (six years ago)

you think Paul Wolfowitz is sorting mail at the DoD right or something?

― Οὖτις, Friday, December 14, 2018 6:58 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is better than he deserves tbh

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Friday, 14 December 2018 19:13 (six years ago)

Harriet Myers, mentioned earlier, had the same job as Kav

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Friday, 14 December 2018 19:13 (six years ago)

As with W's people, all but the most abject will be reinstated,

like, this has NOT fucking happened

Οὖτις, Friday, 14 December 2018 19:13 (six years ago)

ha i forgot about the steele dossier?!

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 14 December 2018 19:15 (six years ago)

Wrt the ongoing shakes/morbs argument itt, I misspoke when I wrote 'a future in the public sector' when what I actually meant was the broader 'a future where they are in any way in the public eye'.

Home Despot (Old Lunch), Friday, 14 December 2018 19:15 (six years ago)

Harriet Meiers WAS the White House Counsel. Kavanaugh was *hired* as an associate BY the White House Counsel (Gonzalez). These are not the same position.
why am I bothering.

xp

Οὖτις, Friday, 14 December 2018 19:15 (six years ago)

and then there was this FBI director who rounded up Muslims

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Friday, 14 December 2018 19:16 (six years ago)

to Old Lunch's post - well I can't argue with that if that's what you meant, since anyone involved with this administration will be notorious and thereby worth eyeballs in the future

xp

Οὖτις, Friday, 14 December 2018 19:16 (six years ago)

Like no one who accepts the CoS poison pill at this point can have any hope of subsequently being a public figure outside of the right-wing fringe-osphere.

Home Despot (Old Lunch), Friday, 14 December 2018 19:17 (six years ago)

right wing fringe-osphere is v lucrative, let's ask John Ashcroft how much his speaking fees are

Οὖτις, Friday, 14 December 2018 19:17 (six years ago)

the only reason I can imagine them sealing off an entire floor of a federal courthouse for grand jury testimony other than Trump would be some sort of high-profile Russian who doesn't want to get killed. something like that. and even then, I can't imagine they wouldn't have found a less conspicuous approach.

the cavalcade of trump criminality coming home to roost makes perfect sense. he has probably been operating in the gray area margins of rich people behavior for so long he doesn't even realize how many crimes he's committed.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 14 December 2018 19:19 (six years ago)

Oh yeah, I don't at all mean to suggest that they'll be hurting for having sacrificed their humanity and very soul.

Home Despot (Old Lunch), Friday, 14 December 2018 19:19 (six years ago)

xpost

Home Despot (Old Lunch), Friday, 14 December 2018 19:20 (six years ago)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/politics/michael-flynn-partisan-warrior/

Things did not go well, nearly from the start.

A DIA officer who regularly attended meetings with Flynn said the top brass welcomed him because “he was a legend to us, coming in as the shake-up artist.”

But soon after Flynn’s arrival, the officer said, “he started doing weird things, like bring his unsecured BlackBerry into the secure space, and he became unabashed about his beliefs. In meetings, he sounded like he was reading Breitbart and Alex Jones and random bloggers, alt-right stuff, and he’d just say, ‘Well, I heard this . . .’ ”

“We saw a serious cognitive erosion,” another agency staffer said, “like he couldn’t inhibit himself from saying things, like the filters were off.”

“He lost control of the building very quickly,” Benjamin said.

Some officials began to call his forays into speculative or conspiratorial thinking “Flynn facts.” When he decided to go to Moscow in 2013 to speak to officers at Russia’s military intelligence agency, some top advisers told their boss the move was naive, even dangerous. Flynn insisted that the battle against Islamist terrorism made it urgent to seek common ground with the Russians.

j., Friday, 14 December 2018 19:20 (six years ago)

afaics, the main punishment suffered by high-ranking members of Dubya's administration has been demotion to 'elder statesmen' status, occupying sinecures in think tanks, corporate boards, law firms, or academia, and being sought out occasionally to dispense dubious wisdom by television news organizations. Any one of them could command op-ed space in the NYT at the drop of a hat. This may not be so heady as running the DoD, but it's lucrative and the hours are great.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 14 December 2018 19:21 (six years ago)

The main punishment suffered by high-ranking members of Trump's administration (including Trump himself) is full-blown dementia, apparently.

Home Despot (Old Lunch), Friday, 14 December 2018 19:31 (six years ago)

boner pill brain worms

maura, Friday, 14 December 2018 19:31 (six years ago)

no argument on any of those points lol

Οὖτις, Friday, 14 December 2018 19:31 (six years ago)

I meant to say 'will be' rather than 'is' but...the degradation is pretty much unfolding right before our eyes.

Home Despot (Old Lunch), Friday, 14 December 2018 19:35 (six years ago)

HATCH: "I don’t believe the President broke the law, but one of the core principles of our country is that no one is above the law. That means anyone who does break the law should face appropriate consequences."

— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) December 14, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 14 December 2018 19:35 (six years ago)

all these old white idiots have been huffing for fox news for the last 20 years and have been driven insane. the new AG nominee is in the same boat.

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 14 December 2018 19:38 (six years ago)

full statement

Earlier this week, Sen. Hatch shrugged off President Trump being implicated by prosecutors in two crimes committed by Michael Cohen, telling @mkraju, "I don't care, all I can say is he's doing a good job as President." Now he says he regrets the remark. https://t.co/0XNOq4G5zU pic.twitter.com/SVn3zyklgH

— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) December 14, 2018

doesn't mean anything on it's own, unless it's the first of many from him and others, but who knows.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 14 December 2018 19:38 (six years ago)

wish these guys could find some courage before they retired

Karl Malone, Friday, 14 December 2018 19:39 (six years ago)

re: Hatch. "broke the law" is a very flexible term that applies equally to jaywalking and treason. "appropriate" consequences leaves one hell of a lot of wiggle room.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 14 December 2018 19:40 (six years ago)

Nearly every one of these always-Trumpers (there are, I'm sure, at least another 2-3 Cohens in the bunch) is going to stick to their guns and hope a death bed conversion is enough to stave off eternal damnation (Narrator: It won't be.)

Home Despot (Old Lunch), Friday, 14 December 2018 19:49 (six years ago)

wish Hatch would just die tbh

Οὖτις, Friday, 14 December 2018 19:50 (six years ago)

Calling it now: by the time his hair has gone stark white, Miller will have a Trump tat between his shoulderblades.

Home Despot (Old Lunch), Friday, 14 December 2018 19:50 (six years ago)

Another day...

NEW: Trump’s inauguration paid Trump’s company -- with Ivanka in the middle. And internal concerns were raised that Trump hotel was over-charging for event space.

The inaugural is now reportedly under criminal investigation. https://t.co/7tTvQuXxtt

w/ @ilyamarritz

— Justin Elliott (@JustinElliott) December 14, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 December 2018 19:52 (six years ago)

The amazing thing about all this new information is that it's difficult to figure out what the sketchiest part is!

For example, here's Rick Gates suggesting that vendors just take their fees directly from the donors because the inaugural didn't want to report its full revenue! pic.twitter.com/bsU68tQvng

— Robert Maguire (@RobertMaguire_) December 14, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 December 2018 20:03 (six years ago)

this is the kind of honest graft i can comprehend

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 14 December 2018 20:06 (six years ago)

nowwww what happened?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 14 December 2018 20:10 (six years ago)

a lawyer close to the inaugural committee told the Journal, “We are not aware of any evidence the investigation the Journal is reporting actually exists.”

translation: we thought we got rid of all the evidence.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 14 December 2018 20:15 (six years ago)

so we're back to the heady days of Harding and Grant.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 December 2018 20:16 (six years ago)

As with W's people, all but the most abject will be reinstated, probably to manage climate-change refugee camps. Wait and see.

I initially misread this as referring to Cheney and Rumsfeld's reinstatement by W. You guys are clobbering Morbs for a bad example but the precedent exists. Is it that much of a stretch to imagine these scumbags (or the ones who don't get indicted) in a Tom Cotton administration in 2028? Seems more likely than not....

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 14 December 2018 20:18 (six years ago)

uh W's people are all on MSNBC, beginning at 4 p.m. this afternoon.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 December 2018 20:22 (six years ago)

yeoman's work

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 14 December 2018 20:23 (six years ago)

NEW: Prosecutors have filed a reply re: Michael Flynn's sentencing and attached notes and redacted docs related to the Jan. 2017 interview where Flynn admitted lying to the FBI. The govt says Flynn was lying before he talked to the FBI https://t.co/nKtpzQ4Zlq pic.twitter.com/wd10Ohv1Ou

— Zoe Tillman (@ZoeTillman) December 14, 2018

"The seriousness of the defendant’s offense cannot be called into question, and the Court should reject his attempt to minimize it." pic.twitter.com/agdfV15qCK

— Andrew deGrandpre (@adegrandpre) December 14, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 December 2018 20:24 (six years ago)

every time I read "very legal, very cool" I get "Love It If We Made It" stuck in my head again

resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 14 December 2018 20:25 (six years ago)

xxxxpost yeah that's why this argument is so weird to me. Does anyone think Condoleeza Rice wouldn't be welcomed back into public office by the establishment press? Obama even kept on some of the Bush detritus like Gates and Petraeus.

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Friday, 14 December 2018 20:27 (six years ago)

y'all you are NOT going to believe this.....Trump....is becoming increasingly isolated!!!!

https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-isolation-investigations-20181213-story.html

No Smockin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 December 2018 20:28 (six years ago)

Rice hasn't been on MSNBC because she's back in Stanford instead of in irons.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 December 2018 20:28 (six years ago)

A challenger emerges.

It is true. I will be running for Congress in 2020, and I will win. Stay tuned.

— George Papadopoulos (@GeorgePapa19) December 14, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 14 December 2018 21:00 (six years ago)

Webster must be so proud.

Home Despot (Old Lunch), Friday, 14 December 2018 21:03 (six years ago)

I think if you are taken seriously as a pundit, that poisons the dialogue as much as many guvmint posts

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 14 December 2018 21:10 (six years ago)

LOL

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Inauguration_of_Donald_Trump&action=history

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 14 December 2018 21:53 (six years ago)

Mick Mulvaney named acting WH chief of staff.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 December 2018 22:22 (six years ago)

Kelly's eager to get gone.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 14 December 2018 22:25 (six years ago)

He has a nine days to finish his Xmas shopping.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 December 2018 22:34 (six years ago)

https://i.imgur.com/WDYOvpY.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 14 December 2018 22:41 (six years ago)

The good thing about Mulvaney's appointment is that I have a late friend named John Kelly, who was a good guy, and I hated seeing his name in that context every day.

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Friday, 14 December 2018 23:17 (six years ago)

Condi Rice is being rumored to become an NFL coach? ... Is there any stronger indicator of being in the ruling class?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 15 December 2018 02:06 (six years ago)

btw I suspect if he's still rich when he dies, Trump's Tomb will be built across Riverside Drive from Grant's Tomb.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 15 December 2018 02:09 (six years ago)

ObamaCare struck down? didn't the Supreme Court already settle that shit?

akm, Saturday, 15 December 2018 02:18 (six years ago)

This is the lawsuit all the GOP state AGs brought arguing that w out the individual mandate, the whole thing is invalid

Οὖτις, Saturday, 15 December 2018 02:22 (six years ago)

blech

this also kept me from posting about George Conway going after Trump like, minutes after his wife defends Trump on TV. What is this couple's homelife like? After Trump is imprisoned will she write some tell-all? Will it get turned into a miniseries? This isn't like a James Carville/Mary Matalin situation, this guy spends every second undermining his wife's awful boss.

akm, Saturday, 15 December 2018 02:26 (six years ago)

The interview with George Conway on Michael isakoffs podcast Skullduggery was buck wild. George outed himself as the Newsweek source from the Starr investigation

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Saturday, 15 December 2018 02:39 (six years ago)

How about a video of Mick Mulvaney calling Trump a "terrible human being"?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-next-chief-of-staff-called-him-a-terrible-human-being-just-before-he-was-elected-president

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 15 December 2018 03:51 (six years ago)

I'm getting a lot of questions about when the judge's opinion takes effect. Bottom line: nothing changes for now, and nothing will change for some time to come. Here's why.

— Nicholas Bagley (@nicholas_bagley) December 15, 2018

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 15 December 2018 04:13 (six years ago)

Would be nice if the media actually bothered to put the ruling in context. Social media is freaking out thinking as of midnight, they have no insurance or something.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 15 December 2018 05:18 (six years ago)

Invalidating the entire ACA because the personal mandate's tax penalty was eliminated is certifiably insane adjudication. That is an enormous law, touching on everything from the creating and regulating the internet marketplaces, to minimum coverage required for all policies, to nullifying pre-existing conditions in setting premiums. That judge is huffing something.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 15 December 2018 05:26 (six years ago)

xp to be fair, this is the front page of the washington post right now:

Citing change in tax law, judge rules entire health-care law unconstitutional
White House officials said they expect the ruling to be appealed to the Supreme Court, so the law remains in place for now.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 15 December 2018 05:33 (six years ago)

The idea that this ruling can withstand legal review seems... improbable.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 15 December 2018 05:38 (six years ago)

Brett is organising a kegger the night before the review tho

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Saturday, 15 December 2018 09:32 (six years ago)

And Roberts might decide that since they didn't strike down the law the last time, they have to do so now to seem impartial.

Frederik B, Saturday, 15 December 2018 11:05 (six years ago)

If you're placing bets on what precipitating event might finally catalyze mass revolt among the populace, you could do worse than 'the unceremonious barring of access to health care they've had nearly a decade to accept as a given'.

Home Despot (Old Lunch), Saturday, 15 December 2018 13:14 (six years ago)

some of us will be too weak to revolt

bring a gun to my bed

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 15 December 2018 13:25 (six years ago)

https://youtu.be/u7ASFcnxC_k

We talked about Roth but I'd submit the other great chronicler of the Trump Era is Vic Berger

https://youtu.be/u7ASFcnxC_k

No Smockin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 15 December 2018 14:10 (six years ago)

some of us will be too weak to revolt
bring a gun to my bed
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, December 15, 2018 8:25 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

don't wanna kink shame but

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 15 December 2018 14:27 (six years ago)

Zinke out at Interior

WmC, Saturday, 15 December 2018 14:29 (six years ago)

Excellent

Οὖτις, Saturday, 15 December 2018 14:55 (six years ago)

I’m hearing Mulvaney for interior

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 15 December 2018 15:11 (six years ago)

So he's now the secretary of the exterior?

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 15 December 2018 15:11 (six years ago)

That would be my political burn.

Congratulations, you are now the secretary of the exterior. (opens door) Get out!

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 15 December 2018 15:12 (six years ago)

also lol

Senior WH people were telling reporters this morning that Christie was likely choice. Then he said no. POTUS angry about rejections and notion that no one wants job. Mulvaney had unrelated meeting in West Wing this PM. And then he was chief of staff. https://t.co/cjRueTUUg6

— Josh Dawsey (@jdawsey1) December 15, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 15 December 2018 17:32 (six years ago)

Lots of friends still freaking out about ACA decision. I wish news networks wouldn't issue breaking news with dubious headlines just CV os they know they can fix them in 3 seconds later. Nobody views the amended bylines.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 15 December 2018 17:33 (six years ago)

folks he's more isolated

I know this sort of story is just as robotic and predictable as the "day he finally became president" or "he's coming unhinged" stories, but it is probably true that his political capital is running at low ebb after the midterms, and because he's never held office before his political connections to other power centers in DC have always been shallow. Add to this the steady pressure of indictments, guilty pleas and convictions coming out of Mueller's investigation and the balance of fear is slowly shifting from fear of Trump's power to an even greater fear of Trump's bringing down his party with him.

In fine, for DC insiders he's got "one-term disaster" written all over him atm. Unless he can pull another rabbit out of his hat that revitalizes the fear of his power among Republicans, he'll be slowly set adrift, still holding office, but losing much of his leverage over real power as the party elites try to protect themselves from his 'dead man walking' stank.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 15 December 2018 18:19 (six years ago)

Right -- I mean, the newest inner circle person on board is Cipollone, and he's clearly a damage control person at best who knows he's working with a pretty bad hand. Mulvaney moved sideways, Barr hasn't faced the Senate, etc. It's a bit of a dull churn of usual suspects (literally) and grizzled apparatchiks.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 15 December 2018 18:39 (six years ago)

Up Schiff's creek:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/12/24/adam-schiffs-plans-to-obliterate-trumps-red-line

Though I've got to admit, the red line shit bugs me. I remember when that Times interview took place (about 122 years ago, iirc). It was totally at their prompting. They were like, what if Mueller looked into your personal business, would that be a red line? And he's all, yes. And ever since then it's been "omg, Trump said looking into his family business is a red line!" But has Trump said anything about a red line since that first interview? Though I've got to admit I'm surprised he hasn't taken credit for inventing the term "red line."

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 15 December 2018 19:47 (six years ago)

Anyway, this is a headline:

With nearly every organization Trump has led under investigation, legal threats could dominate his third year in office

That's a good way to put it. "With nearly every organization Trump has led under investigation." It's the singularity.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 15 December 2018 19:59 (six years ago)

Trump Elected President in Elaborate Sting Operation

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 15 December 2018 21:02 (six years ago)

The stories saying he’s more isolated than ever before are not wrong

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 15 December 2018 22:53 (six years ago)

They need to hold off on those stories until he's literally the only person in the White House, weeping in some corner.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 15 December 2018 23:15 (six years ago)

Donald Trump.....otm

The pathetic and dishonest Weekly Standard, run by failed prognosticator Bill Kristol (who, like many others, never had a clue), is flat broke and out of business. Too bad. May it rest in peace!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 15, 2018

No Smockin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Sunday, 16 December 2018 00:29 (six years ago)

"Prognosticator" seems like a new vocabulary entry

Scape: Goat-fired like a dog! (Myonga Vön Bontee), Sunday, 16 December 2018 00:52 (six years ago)

he doesn't like to read, but he hangs out with college graduates and picks things up from them.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 16 December 2018 01:03 (six years ago)

Lobbyist pleads guilty to funneling foreign money to Trump inauguration.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 16 December 2018 01:49 (six years ago)

? Link?

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 16 December 2018 02:04 (six years ago)

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/31/us/politics/patten-fara-manafort.amp.html?__twitter_impression=true

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 16 December 2018 02:10 (six years ago)

Well, pled guilty — that’s from August.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 16 December 2018 06:39 (six years ago)

How did Scott Walker come up with the brain power to pull off a power grab when he doesn't even know how Venn diagrams work?

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/12/14/18141221/scott-walker-gop-power-grab-venn-diagram

The Boorish Manners of a Yaleee (Leee), Sunday, 16 December 2018 09:50 (six years ago)

That is certainly the face of someone who misunderstands Venn diagrams. Can't wait to see what people do with this photo.

Home Despot (Old Lunch), Sunday, 16 December 2018 13:54 (six years ago)

Good morning!

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 16 December 2018 14:13 (six years ago)

xpost Weird, I wonder why it didn't ring a bell or that I didn't come across it earlier?

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 16 December 2018 14:21 (six years ago)

I think the president just had a stroke

A REAL scandal is the one sided coverage, hour by hour, of networks like NBC & Democrat spin machines like Saturday Night Live. It is all nothing less than unfair news coverage and Dem commercials. Should be tested in courts, can’t be legal? Only defame & belittle! Collusion?

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 16, 2018

frogbs, Sunday, 16 December 2018 14:49 (six years ago)

How could he possibly still not understand what 'collusion' means.

Home Despot (Old Lunch), Sunday, 16 December 2018 14:56 (six years ago)

He feels belittled. Sad.

jmm, Sunday, 16 December 2018 14:58 (six years ago)

dem dry commercials

nashwan, Sunday, 16 December 2018 15:00 (six years ago)

Well, here it comes
Here comes the sound
The sound of collusion

Evan, Sunday, 16 December 2018 15:02 (six years ago)

Up next for pardon, a war criminal?

At the request of many, I will be reviewing the case of a “U.S. Military hero,” Major Matt Golsteyn, who is charged with murder. He could face the death penalty from our own government after he admitted to killing a Terrorist bomb maker while overseas. @PeteHegseth @FoxNews

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 16, 2018

jmm, Sunday, 16 December 2018 15:17 (six years ago)

I'm just reading about this case and it's insane that this guy hasn't been charged already.

jmm, Sunday, 16 December 2018 15:18 (six years ago)

*hadn't, rather

jmm, Sunday, 16 December 2018 15:19 (six years ago)

lol @ Trump of all people wanting the Fairness Doctrine back.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Sunday, 16 December 2018 15:44 (six years ago)

Trump otm

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 16 December 2018 15:46 (six years ago)

yo prognosticator! xps

Trϵϵship, Sunday, 16 December 2018 16:33 (six years ago)

that's some word. day he became president imo.

Trϵϵship, Sunday, 16 December 2018 16:34 (six years ago)

Oct. 3, 2016: Wikileaks DM to Don Jr. ‘great if you could.. push this story’.
Oct. 3. Don Jr. to WL: “Already did that earlier today,” 1/

— Laura Rozen (@lrozen) December 16, 2018

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 16 December 2018 17:06 (six years ago)

all i want for christmas is you don jr to go to jail

21st savagery fox (m bison), Sunday, 16 December 2018 17:08 (six years ago)

A very low-level son, who despite his loyalty is a great disappointment to me. I beat him like a dog in front of his friends!

sans lep (sic), Sunday, 16 December 2018 19:10 (six years ago)

probably accurate

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 16 December 2018 19:25 (six years ago)

literally accurate, iirc sic is referring to an eyewitness account of an incident from when Don Jr was in college

sleeve, Sunday, 16 December 2018 19:32 (six years ago)

I knew it had the ring of truth

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Sunday, 16 December 2018 20:16 (six years ago)

I was hanging out in a freshman dorm with some friends, next door to Donald Jr.'s room. I walked out of the room to find Donald Trump at his son's door, there to pick him up for a baseball game. There were quite a few students standing around watching, trying to catch a glimpse of the famed real estate magnate. Don Jr. opened the door, wearing a Yankee jersey. Without saying a word, his father slapped him across the face, knocking him to the floor in front of all of his classmates. He simply said "put on a suit and meet me outside," and closed the door.

and

Donald Jr. was a drunk in college. Every memory I have of him is of him stumbling around campus falling over or passing out in public, with his arm in a sling from injuring himself while drinking. He absolutely despised his father, and hated the attention that his last name afforded him. His nickname was "Diaper Don," because of his tendency to fall asleep drunk in other people's beds and urinate. I always felt terrible for him.

sans lep (sic), Sunday, 16 December 2018 21:26 (six years ago)

jesus christ

hard to believe thats whats in store for ye after chelsea

gabbnebulous (darraghmac), Sunday, 16 December 2018 23:32 (six years ago)

I kinda love that for all the chest-beating the GOP may not simply have enough people in town to do anything.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/16/us/politics/congress-trump-shutdown.html

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 16 December 2018 23:54 (six years ago)

i missed this important photo from back in february

I saw this image of Rep. Mike Bost delivering Trump a bag of 'thoughts and prayers' and thought it was satire or The Onion.

Nope, this really happened. pic.twitter.com/bYWgwsnGiW

— Austin Braun (@AustinOnSocial) February 19, 2018

Karl Malone, Monday, 17 December 2018 00:17 (six years ago)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2018/12/16/new-report-russian-disinformation-prepared-senate-shows-operations-scale-sweep/

A report prepared for the Senate that provides the most sweeping analysis yet of Russia’s disinformation campaign around the 2016 election found the operation used every major social media platform to deliver words, images and videos tailored to voters’ interests to help elect President Trump — and worked even harder to support him while in office.

The report, a draft of which was obtained by The Washington Post, is the first to study the millions of posts provided by major technology firms to the Senate Intelligence Committee, led by Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.), its chairman, and Sen. Mark Warner (Va.), its ranking Democrat. The bipartisan panel hasn’t said whether it endorses the findings. It plans to release it publicly along with another study later this week.

The research — by Oxford University’s Computational Propaganda Project and Graphika, a network analysis firm — offers new details of how Russians working at the Internet Research Agency, which U.S. officials have charged with criminal offenses for interfering in the 2016 campaign, sliced Americans into key interest groups for targeted messaging. These efforts shifted over time, peaking at key political moments, such as presidential debates or party conventions, the report found.

j., Monday, 17 December 2018 02:46 (six years ago)

it’s pretty impressive tbh

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 17 December 2018 02:57 (six years ago)

They’ve done a great job out there

Karl Malone, Monday, 17 December 2018 03:52 (six years ago)

Yeah, just imagine all of that effort and strategy and manpower being put into something beneficent, or even just something not actively malignant. Imagine that world for a minute, won't you.

Home Despot (Old Lunch), Monday, 17 December 2018 03:59 (six years ago)

some interesting stuff with giuliani tonight:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/16/politics/rudy-giuliani-trump-tower/index.html

(CNN)President Donald Trump's lawyer Rudy Giuliani suggested on Sunday that Trump had spoken with his former attorney Michael Cohen past January 2016 about a Trump Tower in Moscow.

On ABC's "This Week," Giuliani seemed to reference Trump's written responses to special counsel Robert Mueller, saying the conversations about the proposed Moscow project might have gone as far as the tail end of the general election period.

"According to the answer that he gave, it would have covered all the way up to November of -- covered all the way up to November 2016," Giuliani said. "Said he had conversations with him -- but the President didn't hide this."

Asked about the difference between that comment and the previous claim that Trump's discussions about the project ended in January 2016, Giuliani said, "Until you actually sit down and answer the questions and you go back and you look at the papers and you look at ... you're not going to know what happened."

so, trump told mueller the trump tower/moscow shit could have kept continuing a long time, until election day. which is already quite a bit later than people were thinking. but then,

CNN has previously reported that Trump's lawyers balked at answering any questions that ran past the election because they believed they could argue the transition period after Trump's victory was covered by executive privilege.

so that means they indicate the discussions might have kept going all the way to election day, but that the only reason they give that as an end date it's because they're not answering questions about after the election, period. so, uh...if the whole executive privilege gambit doesn't work this could get interesting

Karl Malone, Monday, 17 December 2018 05:17 (six years ago)

not only does 33-year-old stephen miller share the views of brainwormed white men twice his age, he also shares their love of home shopping network hair-in-a-can

Stephen Miller went on @FaceTheNation with spray on hair and looks ridiculous. (I suspect the make-up person hates him.) pic.twitter.com/B3ut9TmsbQ

— Cornelia (@PaladinCornelia) December 16, 2018

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 17 December 2018 11:48 (six years ago)

It's not the crime, it's the cover-up.

(not my joke but A+)

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 17 December 2018 13:05 (six years ago)

baldness is not a crime

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 17 December 2018 13:07 (six years ago)

*balding-man defensiveness intensifies*

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 17 December 2018 13:07 (six years ago)

Re: baldness, the cover-up is almost always a crime.

(Adjusts very normal-looking toupee man hair.)

Home Despot (Old Lunch), Monday, 17 December 2018 13:10 (six years ago)

I also heard his fake hairline described as a nest of angry ants.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 17 December 2018 13:10 (six years ago)

That whole twitter thread above is actually full of good stuff.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 17 December 2018 13:10 (six years ago)

The first thing I thought of:

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/simpsons/images/5/5a/Black.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20071203233349

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 17 December 2018 13:14 (six years ago)

https://freeform.azureedge.net/showms/2018/10/00373eb9-02da-404d-98de-781e480f6c70.jpg

Home Despot (Old Lunch), Monday, 17 December 2018 13:16 (six years ago)

jesus god wtf is that

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 17 December 2018 13:21 (six years ago)

pointillist hair, what a time to be alive

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 17 December 2018 13:21 (six years ago)

good morning!

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 17 December 2018 13:22 (six years ago)

Joey Lawrence's forthcoming work: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_v._Wade_(film)

Bênoit Balls (stevie), Monday, 17 December 2018 15:07 (six years ago)

He has been married to Chandie Yawn-Nelson since July 3, 2005

chandie... yawn-nelson

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 17 December 2018 15:14 (six years ago)

THat's the old Sabrina grown up innit?

Stevolende, Monday, 17 December 2018 15:23 (six years ago)

Or taht is to say Melissa is.

Stevolende, Monday, 17 December 2018 15:23 (six years ago)

It is.

So glad I could help nudge the US politics thread in this direction, towards the important issues.

Loggins and Rogers and G are...K3NNY (Old Lunch), Monday, 17 December 2018 15:49 (six years ago)

yea on one hand talking about Stephen Miller's hair is yet another dumb dIsTrAcTiOn like typos or Melania's jacket but on the other hand holy shit how do you go on national TV looking like that

frogbs, Monday, 17 December 2018 15:53 (six years ago)

I'm just a dumb Canadian, but if you're an American of similar ilk to me - big on Gillibrand, down on Harris or Booker, somehow unable to buy into Warren or Sanders - I'd point you to Pete Buttigieg, who just announced that he won't run for re-election as mayor of South Bend. (IE, he's probably running for president.) I was really impressed by his appearance on The Axe Files, and when it comes to ideas and vision, he's by far my favourite of the portended "progressive white guy" candidates. (Sorry Beto.)

sean gramophone, Monday, 17 December 2018 16:01 (six years ago)

xpost It's trivial, sure, but I often try to imagine how people who didn't live through it will view this era, and tiny details that seem like NBD in the moment might well present themselves down the road as glaringly obvious signs that some profoundly unwell people once ran the country. Imagine the horror of a young child in 2023 getting their first glimpse of Steve Bannon in their social studies textbook.

Loggins and Rogers and G are...K3NNY (Old Lunch), Monday, 17 December 2018 16:07 (six years ago)

or the necronomicon

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 17 December 2018 16:11 (six years ago)

However you first encounter him, I suppose reckoning with the concept of Tsathoggua is a rite of passage all children must eventually experience.

Loggins and Rogers and G are...K3NNY (Old Lunch), Monday, 17 December 2018 16:17 (six years ago)

Lmao

One indirect cause of no-shows for House votes: Many have nowhere to live during lame duck.
Nearly 100 members are retiring, probably a couple dozen who slept in their offices. They lost those offices a few weeks ago. No bed, no DC, no vote.https://t.co/MX7TTz4dMR

— Paul Kane (@pkcapitol) December 17, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 17 December 2018 16:33 (six years ago)

An entire subset of people who have no ability to exist on their own in the Real World and yet we can’t speak of eugenics in polite company, no.

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 17 December 2018 16:36 (six years ago)

i wonder how many of those transients were snide about AOC's housing woes

maura, Monday, 17 December 2018 16:39 (six years ago)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/12/17/i-voted-trump-now-his-wall-may-destroy-my-butterfly-paradise/

this kind of story is never not hilarious

j., Monday, 17 December 2018 17:38 (six years ago)

I don’t need more than the URL slug for that one

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Monday, 17 December 2018 17:40 (six years ago)

I agreed to let a sewage disposal company empty a septic truck into my home, now my house is ruined. Halp.

Loggins and Rogers and G are...K3NNY (Old Lunch), Monday, 17 December 2018 17:43 (six years ago)

People have asked me, “Didn’t you listen to Trump when he said that he would build a wall?” I didn’t take the idea seriously during the campaign. I knew he couldn’t get Mexico to pay it — that’d be like asking Hurricane Harvey to foot the bill for rebuilding Houston

hmm is it now

Οὖτις, Monday, 17 December 2018 17:43 (six years ago)

"And let's be honest, if he does build a wall, well...I'm already here"

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 17 December 2018 17:45 (six years ago)

"I mean all politicians lie, whereas Trump tells the truth. He tells it like it is. Except for the Wall, I totally didn't think he meant that. Or the Muslim ban."

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 17 December 2018 17:46 (six years ago)

USA Today reports:

After roughly a quarter century in elected office, Sen. Lamar Alexander of Tennessee will retire after 2020. The former Republican governor, who has served in the Senate since first being elected in 2002, said Monday that he will not seek a fourth term in the upper chamber.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 17 December 2018 18:03 (six years ago)

I mean he’s 78 he might not last that long

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 17 December 2018 18:05 (six years ago)

I'd point you to Pete Buttigieg, who just announced that he won't run for re-election as mayor of South Bend. (IE, he's probably running for president.)

lol whut

louise ck (milo z), Monday, 17 December 2018 18:06 (six years ago)

Well, I suppose so. https://t.co/gaY1qLIfXp

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) December 14, 2018

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 17 December 2018 18:18 (six years ago)

Trump only needs to call that guy Pete Buttplug once and he's toast xp

resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 17 December 2018 18:20 (six years ago)

Lamar! rest in retirement big man. heaven needed a spineless turd. i hope you choke on a school voucher

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 17 December 2018 18:29 (six years ago)

Never forget

http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/campaign-k-12/Lamar-Alexander-red-plaid-1996-blog.jpg

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 17 December 2018 19:48 (six years ago)

lamar's red plaid was the santorum sweater vest of 1996. enuff said.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 17 December 2018 19:52 (six years ago)

That's where Jeb! got the idea for the exclamation point.

nickn, Monday, 17 December 2018 20:05 (six years ago)

nah. in 1992, the extremely flaccid personality of the Republican Oregon governor running for re-election chose the slogan of "Atiyeh!" for all his bumper stickers and lawn signs. The political 'hype-ostrophe' has to predate this use, because consultants steal these ideas far more often than they originate them

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 17 December 2018 20:11 (six years ago)

Oh yeah BTW

This will be big.
Judge in Flynn case says that the memo, written by FBI agents following their interview with Michael Flynn at the White House, should be made public, with some redactions allowed, and will be relevant at his sentencing. This memo had only been filed under seal.

— Shimon Prokupecz (@ShimonPro) December 17, 2018

Ned Raggett, Monday, 17 December 2018 23:54 (six years ago)

Per judge's order tonight, prosecutors have now filed the redacted 302 (FBI interview notes) prepared after agents sat down with Michael Flynn on 1/24/17. Here it is: https://t.co/c3tX2Rz8wf pic.twitter.com/n8W1Vg1vqG

— Zoe Tillman (@ZoeTillman) December 17, 2018

Flynn began by talking about his first trip to Russia in 2013 when he was director of the Defense Intelligence Agency. Flynn then describes several contacts in 2016 with now-former Russian ambassador Sergey Kislyak — post-election convos + condolence calls pic.twitter.com/IZVBIQ5lcT

— Zoe Tillman (@ZoeTillman) December 17, 2018

Ned Raggett, Monday, 17 December 2018 23:55 (six years ago)

Gotta say, Flynn really did himself no favors

https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/12/17/mike-flynn-steps-in-it-in-a-bid-to-feed-the-frothy-right-he-leads-to-damning-new-details-showing-he-lied-to-protect-trump/

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 03:00 (six years ago)

Some people somehow never learned that there’s no such thing as just giving a friendly and nonadversarial interview to the cops

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 03:04 (six years ago)

Roger Stone is selling ‘Roger’ stones https://t.co/rsMfGf5Sym pic.twitter.com/Kb5qzzDwqK

— Talking Points Memo (@TPM) December 17, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 03:47 (six years ago)

"Come get Rogered."

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 03:48 (six years ago)

People in high positions of wealth or power often assume that police are their natural allies, who exist almost exclusively to serve them and protect them.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 03:48 (six years ago)

not only are these people evil, they’re also insanely tacky

Mueller is a CORRUPT COP and his SC investigation is POLITICALLY MOTIVATED and CRIMINAL in its METHODS -- I can give testimony to this from my personal experience with Mueller as I detail in my eBook https://t.co/Pm1xPi1ynV SILENT NO MORE - With the HELP of GOD we will WIN! pic.twitter.com/cGClgWCW9b

— Jerome R. Corsi, Ph.D. ⭐️⭐️⭐️ (@jerome_corsi) December 17, 2018

global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 08:18 (six years ago)

how come he's only got three stars, guy like him you'd think he'd throw at least another couple two or three on there

j., Tuesday, 18 December 2018 08:34 (six years ago)

Listening back through episodes of Mueller she wrote talking about cases coming against Whittaker about legitimacy of role. Has anything come of that or does it get sidestepped by nomination of Barr who himself seems problematic.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 10:14 (six years ago)

Woof. That seems like ... the wrong way to counter the special counsel.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 13:08 (six years ago)

xpost

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 13:08 (six years ago)

Not for the first time, the behavior of people in this administration and in its orbit reminds me of Rhodes wasting his last breath on a vituperative 'CHOKE ON EM! CHOKE ON EM!' while he's being ripped apart by the living dead.

Loggins and Rogers and G are...K3NNY (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 13:12 (six years ago)

on tax returns?

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 13:17 (six years ago)

That's the implication, yes.

Loggins and Rogers and G are...K3NNY (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 13:22 (six years ago)

gotta say "Twitter is biased for deleting all my Russian bot followers" is my favorite genre of chud-tweet

Facebook, Twitter and Google are so biased toward the Dems it is ridiculous! Twitter, in fact, has made it much more difficult for people to join @realDonaldTrump. They have removed many names & greatly slowed the level and speed of increase. They have acknowledged-done NOTHING!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 18, 2018

frogbs, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 14:54 (six years ago)

It's a long list with many strong contenders, but few things make me want to give Trump a megaswirlie quite as much as his whining about Twitter's obvious bias against him. Although I suppose it's in keeping with his tendency of eventually turning on every ally he's ever had.

Loggins and Rogers and G are...K3NNY (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 15:03 (six years ago)

love when i lose aobut 100 followers immediately after making a beautiful post. the weak shriveling up into dust. Thats called darwin

— wint (@dril) January 23, 2018

No Smockin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 15:13 (six years ago)

donald trump is the mirror-universe dril

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 15:31 (six years ago)

"White House says it wants to avoid government shutdown, will find other ways to fund border wall"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/white-house-signals-its-backing-down-in-shutdown-dispute-will-find-other-ways-to-fund-border-wall/2018/12/18/159994dc-02d9-11e9-9122-82e98f91ee6f_story.html?utm_term=.64eac33544f8

I'm sure Trump is trashing the Oval Office right now.

WmC, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 16:02 (six years ago)

"God DAMN it, you're all against me! YOU! Secret Service! Kill yourself right now to prove you're an American!"

WmC, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 16:03 (six years ago)

Test

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 16:05 (six years ago)

Also:

President Trump has agreed to shut down his embattled personal charity and give away its remaining funds amid allegations that he used it for his personal and political benefit, the New York attorney general announced Tuesday.

New York Attorney General Barbara Underwood announced that the Donald J. Trump Foundation is dissolving as her office pursues its lawsuit against the charity, Trump and his three eldest children.

WmC, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 16:06 (six years ago)

good morning1

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 16:07 (six years ago)

Lol

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 16:07 (six years ago)

he really is facing unprecedented legal "exposure" for a president right now, on so many different fronts. it feels like at any moment the house of cards could come down. but yet, we will continue like this for months and months to come.

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 16:11 (six years ago)

I assume dissolving the “charity” doesnt stop the lawsuit from moving forward...?

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 16:14 (six years ago)

Jerome Corsi blocked me on Twitter :(

No Smockin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 16:15 (six years ago)

Yeah, I don't think it works like that. If you're caught doing something criminal and stop doing that criminal thing, it's not like it wipes the slate clean.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 16:15 (six years ago)

xpost

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 16:15 (six years ago)

Yeah, it's like that time I used that shell company to launder money for years and then quickly shut it down when it seemed like the authorities were starting to catch on and yet I'm still currently posting from federal prison. So unfair!

Loggins and Rogers and G are...K3NNY (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 16:17 (six years ago)

I stopped doing it, guys! I stopped!

Loggins and Rogers and G are...K3NNY (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 16:18 (six years ago)

Can Trump be dissolved next?

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 16:18 (six years ago)

if you dissolve a company, then technically nothing that company did ever happened, that's the law iirc

No Smockin' (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 16:20 (six years ago)

The phrase "impotent rage" comes to mind...

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 16:20 (six years ago)

The settlement with Underwood’s office represents a concession by Trump to a state investigation he decried as a partisan attack. The case is one of numerous legal inquiries into Trump organizations that have proliferated during his White House tenure.

"Settlement" implies the matter will be closed...?

WmC, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 16:20 (six years ago)

Yeah idgi

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 16:22 (six years ago)

A good day to be David Fahrenthold.

Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 16:23 (six years ago)

Is the settlement that he has to shut it down and pay penalties and admit guilt?

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 16:23 (six years ago)

They are demanding 2.8 million, penalties, and none of the Trump family can serve on any other New York boards.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 16:23 (six years ago)

by the way, autocorrect tried to change family can serve to family cancer, which would have worked even better.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 16:24 (six years ago)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-agrees-to-shut-down-his-charity-amid-allegations-he-used-it-for-personal-and-political-benefit/2018/12/18/dd3f5030-021b-11e9-9122-82e98f91ee6f_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2160579457e9

The largest donation in the foundation’s history — a $264,231 gift to the Central Park Conservancy in 1989 — appeared to benefit Trump’s business: it paid to restore a fountain outside Trump’s Plaza Hotel. The smallest, a $7 foundation gift to the Boy Scouts that same year, appeared to benefit Trump’s family. It matched the amount required to enroll a boy in the Scouts the year that his son Donald Trump Jr. was 11.

imagine the grift infiltrating every single aspect of your daily life

frogbs, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 16:27 (six years ago)

it’s easy if you try

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 16:31 (six years ago)

*waits for renato mariotti to tell us what this means*

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 16:33 (six years ago)

*Mariotti instead shills his podcast where it will be discussed ~1h50m in*

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 16:36 (six years ago)

Man oh man, the Flynn sentencing is hilarious.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 16:57 (six years ago)

Judge essentially forces Flynn to admit in court that he's claiming no misconduct, that he was aware lying to the FBI was a crime, then this

Judge Sullivan: Is Mr. Flynn still cooperating?

Gov: It “remains a possibility” that he’s still cooperating.

— Ryan J. Reilly (@ryanjreilly) December 18, 2018

Gov says the decision to proceed to sentencing is based on the totality of Flynn's assistance. Has already provided “vast majority” of his potential cooperation. Highlights indictment unsealed yesterday against Flynn’s business partner.

— Ryan J. Reilly (@ryanjreilly) December 18, 2018

Judge Sullivan: So Flynn could’ve also been charged in that indictment unsealed in Virginia yesterday, right? Gov: Yes.

Judge Sullivan: “Exposure to Mr. Flynn would have been significant?” Gov: Yes.

— Ryan J. Reilly (@ryanjreilly) December 18, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 16:58 (six years ago)

Judge Sullivan: “I’m not hiding my disgust, my distain for this criminal offense.”

Says he can’t guarantee he’s going to avoid incarceration. Gives Flynn yet another opportunity to speak with his lawyers.

— Ryan J. Reilly (@ryanjreilly) December 18, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 16:59 (six years ago)

he's pretty fucked but I'm sure the OSC is anxious about their key witness being fuckin pissed at them for this whole thing blowing up. in spite of the fact that flynn is there for, you know, crimes. many crimes.

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 17:24 (six years ago)

What this all really feels like is the unwinding of a pyramid scheme, the last days of Bernie Madoff. Not just the foundation but everything, he got away with so many things for so long it's like he forgot he was actually a con man.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 17:41 (six years ago)

xpost -- not unrelated, I think.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/mueller-ready-to-pounce-on-trumpworld-concessions-to-moscow

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 17:46 (six years ago)

Whomp whomp

FLYNN LAWYER NOW SEEKS TO DELAY SENTENCING.

— Ryan J. Reilly (@ryanjreilly) December 18, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 17:53 (six years ago)

This:

BREAKING: Flynn's attorneys say they are now taking the judge up on his offer to delay today's sentencing because he's still cooperating with prosecutors.

— Steven Portnoy (@stevenportnoy) December 18, 2018

...makes sense given other commentary I've seen, plus an observation from the SCO prosecutor earlier.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 17:54 (six years ago)

Wants a sentencing delay to get the "last modicum" of cooperation benefit from EDVA case.

— Andrew Prokop (@awprokop) December 18, 2018

Flynn's lawyers hearing the judge loud and clear, scrambling for way out.https://t.co/tOSb7yOldP

— BigCrimeHat (@Popehat) December 18, 2018

A status report on whether Flynn is ready for sentencing will be due by March 13 at noon

— Zoe Tillman (@ZoeTillman) December 18, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 17:58 (six years ago)

Works to Mueller's advantage, right? Flynn's gonna need to cooperate and cooperate and cooperate, or he's looking down the barrel of an angry judge.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 17:59 (six years ago)

Pretty much, yes. Also, the attempt to claim misconduct/manipulation is now a played card and taken back in court. Further thoughts:

Re Flynn's delay: Note Kelner just took responsibility for that clear fuck-up on claiming he wasn't warned about lying. One reason Flynn wanted sentencing now was so he could go back to sleazy influence peddling so he could pay his legal fees.

— emptywheel (@emptywheel) December 18, 2018

It's not clear what Flynn stands to gain delaying sentencing -- it's not even clear EDVA *wants* him to testify in that case.

It's POSSIBLE however, he has something else he thinks he can give Mueller.

Or, maybe they just figure a stall might delay long enough for pardon.

— emptywheel (@emptywheel) December 18, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 18:00 (six years ago)

I seriously hope that this train wreck wasn't a complete surprise to General Flynn -- that SOMEBODY warned him that it might go this way, and that the signs were that the judge was mad. A client getting blindsided because nobody told him the truth is unacceptable.

— BigCrimeHat (@Popehat) December 18, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 18:04 (six years ago)

If you're caught doing something criminal and stop doing that criminal thing, it's not like it wipes the slate clean.

Prosecutors have a lot of latitude for wiping slates clean and they use it in widely varying ways and for varying reasons, including their perception of the politics involved.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 18:10 (six years ago)

Can Trump be dissolved next?


maybe bannon has some dregs of that acid he used in the hot tub

maura, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 18:34 (six years ago)

Sullivan also asked a prosecutor with the special counsel’s office whether Flynn could be charged with “treason.”

damn, son

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 18:59 (six years ago)

treason has a very specific definition and I don't think it applies if we're not actually at war with anyone

that said Flynn is absolutely a traitor to this nation and it sucks that he's gonna get like, a quarter of the jail time as a poor dude with 1/8 oz of marijuana

frogbs, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 19:04 (six years ago)

well fwiw the special counsel agrees w you and said no, treason was not a likely charge

nonetheless it's striking that the judge even suggested it. Flynn is not gonna get leniency from this guy.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 19:09 (six years ago)

LOCK HIM UP

fans annoyed as emily atack screams over nick knowles' kumquat (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 19:24 (six years ago)

Because I don't watch Fox, my first exposure to Flynn was him going all crazy-red-race screaming "Lock her up" at the convention. I thought he was deranged and ridiculous, but of course at the time I had no thought that Trump would get elected so Flynn just seemed like a bottom-feeder weirdo with anger issues. What a time it has been.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 19:31 (six years ago)

Just rewatched and ok he wasn't exactly screaming. Still.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 19:34 (six years ago)

Walt Jr. is almost assuredly rethinking his nickname rn.

Loggins and Rogers and G are...K3NNY (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 19:40 (six years ago)

should have gone with Fletch

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 19:42 (six years ago)

good guy Michael Flynn:

"This is Islamism, it is a vicious cancer inside the body of 1.7 billion people on this planet and it has to be excised."

- August 2016

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 19:43 (six years ago)

I've posted this like twice but I haven't forgotten this NPR interview that came out right after Flynn was named as NatSec Advisor

INSKEEP: Which is interesting because one of the jobs of a national security adviser, of course, is to keep things orderly and make sure that the president gets information in an orderly fashion. Any sense of what he was like as a manager?

CHAYES: Orderly, he was not.

(LAUGHTER)

INSKEEP: No? You're saying that - what do you mean by that?

CHAYES: Anything but. I mean, remember Linus in the Snoopy and the Charlie Brown cartoons? Something like that.

INSKEEP: I'll give - do you mean to say Pig-Pen?

CHAYES: The one - Pig-Pen, Pig-Pen (laughter). right.

INSKEEP: OK, the kid who was a little dirty, OK. So you're saying that things were a little chaotic around General Flynn. But you found this guy to be extraordinarily enthusiastic.

Let me ask another thing - because of some of General Flyn statements about Muslims, people are going to be asked if he is prejudiced in some way. There you are with him in Afghanistan. He's with American troops, few of whom would be Muslim. He's in an overwhelmingly Muslim country. How did he handle that?

CHAYES: I never found him in his personal dealings to be prejudiced, either in terms of religion, race or, in particular, gender. I mean, interestingly, the intelligence community within the Army is one of the ones where women really can rise to the top. And Flynn always surrounded himself with women and often said, look, it's just - diversity isn't even an issue because there's too much talent. I can't afford to lose the potential talent. So on a personal level, I never saw him behave in discriminatory ways.

INSKEEP: In just a few seconds, as someone who knows General Flynn, when you heard news of his selection, were you reassured, happy, disturbed, troubled, many questions - how would you phrase it?

CHAYES: My heart sank.

INSKEEP: Really? Why?

CHAYES: Everything I just said. The NSA is an institution that, first of all, has to keep the trains running. That's the first job of the national security adviser - is to make that National Security Council run.

INSKEEP: OK.

CHAYES: Flynn can't make anything run.

https://www.npr.org/2016/11/18/502568434/trump-offers-key-posts-to-sen-sessions-rep-pompeo-retired-lt-gen-flynn

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 19:53 (six years ago)

I bet Flynn wishes he ran.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 20:19 (six years ago)

imagine being so dumb that you all but commit treason by accident and then blithely admit to it

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 20:25 (six years ago)

It's called Creutzfeldt-Jacob and it's nothing to be ashamed of

Loggins and Rogers and G are...K3NNY (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 20:30 (six years ago)

Honestly surprised Flynn's lawyers aren't gunning for a senility defense. It's pretty supportable, by all accounts.

Loggins and Rogers and G are...K3NNY (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 20:31 (six years ago)

Do you mean Dunning-Kruger?

Siouxie Sioux Vide (Leee), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 20:55 (six years ago)

A sliver of good news..

The Trump administration on Tuesday issued a new rule banning bump stocks, the attachments that enable semiautomatic rifles to fire in sustained, rapid bursts and that a gunman used to massacre 58 people and wound hundreds of others at a Las Vegas concert in October 2017.

The new regulation, which had been expected, would ban the sale or possession of the devices under a new interpretation of existing law. Americans who own bump stocks would have 90 days to destroy their devices or to turn them in to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. The Justice Department said A.T.F. would post destruction instructions on its website.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 21:33 (six years ago)

I misread that as "bumper stickers"

Evan, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 21:38 (six years ago)

I was wondering if that bump stock announcement was the admin trying to change the conversation from the nonstop bad news

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 21:44 (six years ago)

Like that they there isn't some BS grandfather clause on this one.

DJI, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 21:46 (six years ago)

So does that mean that the Trump administration ... is literally coming to take your gun (accessory) away?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 21:48 (six years ago)

Honestly surprised Flynn's lawyers aren't gunning for a senility defense.

Gnerally, a lawyer can't submit a defense that his client is unwilling to subscribe to.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 22:08 (six years ago)

Hm hm hm

NEW: Remember that mystery grand jury subpoena case argued last week in the DC Circuit? A decision is out, and it's public, sort of — it's about a company (unnamed) owned by a country (unnamed). Court upheld the denial of a motion to quash the subpoena https://t.co/y091zXa6kU pic.twitter.com/5CzjpLY1cb

— Zoe Tillman (@ZoeTillman) December 18, 2018

There is *no* reference in today's judgment to Mueller's office. But there's no reference at all to who is prosecuting this case, so we don't have any new, concrete info on that front

— Zoe Tillman (@ZoeTillman) December 18, 2018

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 22:21 (six years ago)

Deutschbank?

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 22:22 (six years ago)

hm wait no they are not owned by a country

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 22:23 (six years ago)

Something something Saudi Arabia something?

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 22:26 (six years ago)

Plenty of people living in socialist countries WISH they had a job from which they could take a break. The arrogance and ignorance of this Congresswoman-elect is stunning: https://t.co/dhdgq826dn

— Matt Rooney (@MattRooneyNJ) December 18, 2018

how dare she take a break from a job she won't have for 3 weeks

frogbs, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 22:32 (six years ago)

It seems unfair to the civil service to call all executive rulemaking actions those of “the Trump administration”, even more so than when they were “the Bush administration”

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 22:33 (six years ago)

that stupid ass matt rooney tweet doesnt even make sense? pretty sure most countries that aren't america give their employees plenty of time off? or is his assertion that there's teeming hordes of socialist workers who don't have jobs to take breaks from?

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 22:50 (six years ago)

Matt Rooney's a nobody outside of New Jersey, perhaps not even a somebody there. ratioed as fuck too

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 22:53 (six years ago)

the latter. e.g. unemployment is very bad in Spain atm. but the idea that a person with a job must never take time off because there are unemployed people is right about as reasonable as telling children they must lick their plates because there are starving children in Africa.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 22:56 (six years ago)

"Matt Rooney" retweets James Woods.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 23:03 (six years ago)

Yeah I went to the source and regretted it

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Tuesday, 18 December 2018 23:04 (six years ago)

I'm kinda all for this demonization of AOC. Gives her a loudspeaker, and distracts the wingnuts from calumnies against anyone running in 2020.

Sanpaku, Tuesday, 18 December 2018 23:34 (six years ago)

Yeah, GOP is gonna be so far gone by 2020 they'll wind up doing a fair bit of our campaigning for us. '(Democratic candidate) is on record as someone who cares about you and wants to improve your life. Can we afford four years with (Democratic candidate) in the White House? Vote (Republican who proudly urinated on a homeless man in front of news cameras) in 2020!'

Loggins and Rogers and G are...K3NNY (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 01:08 (six years ago)

#draftloganpaulGOP2020

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 02:18 (six years ago)

So does anyone know if this criminal justice reform bill is any good or what?

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 03:55 (six years ago)

Yeah, GOP is gonna be so far gone by 2020

just hear to remind us there's actually no bottom and when you think there's a bottom, a few years later it's like the john birch society or nazis are back.

Hunt3r, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 03:58 (six years ago)

The most-publicized provisions, such as greater judicial discretion during sentencing, seem like an improvement over current law. How well-suited it might be to reduce the shocking over-representation of minorities in prison remains to be seen.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 03:58 (six years ago)

Details, details.

“A newly obtained document shows President Donald Trump signed a letter of intent to move forward with negotiations to build a Trump Tower in Russia, despite his attorney Rudy Giuliani claiming on Sunday the document was never signed.” https://t.co/UdEf1vfqGQ

— andrew kaczynski (@KFILE) December 19, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 06:16 (six years ago)

"I signed it with the wrong hand!"

Mark G, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 10:33 (six years ago)

There is one difference between Trump and every other right-wing leader of the past 100 years.

He doesn't want to lead. He wants everyone to follow him though.

Mark G, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 10:34 (six years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JRQMD7rmEk

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 14:58 (six years ago)

Well, good morning!

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 15:00 (six years ago)

big if true

We have defeated ISIS in Syria, my only reason for being there during the Trump Presidency.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 19, 2018

H00kup with Jaundice Singles!! (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 15:25 (six years ago)

He should go over there and wander around by himself for a little while to show us how safe things are now.

Loggins and Rogers and G are...K3NNY (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 15:30 (six years ago)

Gee, I wonder how Russia would feel about the US withdrawing from Syria

I’m all for gtfo Syria, but do it as part of a larger plan of peace coordinated with other countries and with international support, not as some unilateral dumbass tweet that we’ll later learn was not discussed with key members of Congress, administration, and Jared

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 15:46 (six years ago)

tweet makes me wonder what he was doing in Syria before the Trump presidency

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 15:48 (six years ago)

hotel deal

golf course

dental plan

j., Wednesday, 19 December 2018 15:50 (six years ago)

Looking for future mistresses/wives, iirc.

Infidels, Like Dylan In The Eighties (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 15:50 (six years ago)

"do they still have -- whattayacallit -- harems there?"

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 15:51 (six years ago)

hotel deal

golf course

dental plan

― j., Wednesday, December 19, 2018

I CAN'T TAKE IT ANYMOOOOOAH

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BOWI3ODY4YmYtNDlkZi00MDk0LWJmNzgtYjg3M2RjMWMzMjQyXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMjA3NDg2Mzg@._V1_.jpg

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 15:53 (six years ago)

Lindsey Graham on Trump’s Syria move: “If these media reports are true, it will be an Obama-like mistake made by the Trump Administration. While American patience in confronting radical Islam may wane, the radical Islamists’ passion to kill Americans and our allies never wavers.”

— Manu Raju (@mkraju) December 19, 2018

j., Wednesday, 19 December 2018 15:55 (six years ago)

A relief that Huckleberry still places a premium on killing brown lives over loyalty to Trump.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 15:57 (six years ago)

I had wondered how Rania Khalek would react to this

1/ Even when the US withdraws from areas it is occupying it finds a stupid way to do it.

— Rania Khalek (@RaniaKhalek) December 19, 2018

resident hack (Simon H.), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 16:13 (six years ago)

xp he never really changed and never really will

j., Wednesday, 19 December 2018 16:16 (six years ago)

love to spend a trillion+ dollars 'protecting' americans from terrorists because they killed a fraction of those killed by guns domestically

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 16:33 (six years ago)

hotel deal

golf course

dental plan

― j., Wednesday, December 19, 2018 10:50 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Lisa needs braces

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 16:59 (six years ago)

IS claimed an attack in Raqqa 30 minutes ago, but okay pic.twitter.com/wzYWJ4t8to

— Aaron Y. Zelin (@azelin) December 19, 2018

Sanpaku, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 17:14 (six years ago)

Hillary did it

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 17:21 (six years ago)

Trump probably just killed Aaron Turner

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 17:31 (six years ago)

if ISIS is on the wane (and it seems to be but what do I know, I onlyu know what the news reports and they've shifted focus elsewhere) it's likely due to other forces, not the US. Syria though is almost certainly still a motherfucking shitshow and Assad is still in power and I assume Trump loves him.

akm, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 17:37 (six years ago)

There was a phone call between Trump and Ergodan on Friday, possibly to encourage Ergodan to go easy on the Saudi prince MBS. Trump got a sale of $3.5 B in Patriot air-defense missles, Ergodan got a noncommital willingness to extradite opposition cleric Gulen, and a go-ahead for Turks to move against the Kurd held parts of Eastern Syria (which were under US military protection).

Bloomberg: US Backs Patriot Missile Sale to Turkey in Breakthrough
Reuters: Trump willing to look at extraditing Turkish cleric, but noncommittal
Reuters: Erdogan says Trump positive on Turkish military plan to push east in Syria
Daily Sabah: Erdoğan - Trump agreement results in US withdrawal from Syria

Poor Kurds. The YPG is the only Mid-east faction who deserves our admiration.

Sanpaku, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 17:44 (six years ago)

If Trump signs off on extradition, I hope that he shares in whatever fate he will have pointlessly condemned Gulen to suffer.

Loggins and Rogers and G are...K3NNY (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 17:48 (six years ago)

I bet the US military, esp SOCOM, is pissed about this deal. There was genuine mutual admiration with our Kurd allies, and I bet there are going to be some tearful, apologetic departures.

Meanwhile, Blind amphibian that buries its head in the sand named after US President Donald Trump

Dermophis donaldtrumpi, 10 centimetres in length and belonging to group of snakelike animals called caecilians, was recently found in Panama by a group of scientists.

Sanpaku, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 17:57 (six years ago)

What did caecilians do to deserve that

jmm, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 18:00 (six years ago)

Bad enough that they can't eat gluten.

Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 18:01 (six years ago)

these caecilians are breaking my heart

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 18:03 (six years ago)

all of this assumes that somehow trump’s tweet will translate to actual movement or policy change. Sometimes he just likes to tweet stuff without checking into how it’s done.

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 18:04 (six years ago)

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/19/trump-policy-domestic-violence-victims-asylum-1069107

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 18:08 (six years ago)

These little victories haven't felt quite as victorious since the beer connoisseur's confirmation.

Loggins and Rogers and G are...K3NNY (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 18:11 (six years ago)

well bear in mind that they have immediate and clear impacts on actual people currently at the border, so there's that. same goes for the court rulings that delayed his muslim ban. while it was on appeal and before it was overturned, people got in and out of the country.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 18:13 (six years ago)

</debbiedowner>Right. Worth emphasizing that it is still a victory.

<debbiedowner>

Loggins and Rogers and G are...K3NNY (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 18:15 (six years ago)

xp Karl:

He's CinC. If Turks want to occupy the 20 km nearest their border, he just orders an immediate withdrawal. The 2000 green berets, forward air controllers etc. stationed with the Kurds don't have much of a logistical footprint, they can loadup and move to forward operating bases deeper in Syria within days. The heavy stuff can be left behind.

It's not like Trump has ever said a kind word about Kurds, Yazidis, Assyrians etc.

Sanpaku, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 18:15 (six years ago)

that's cuz they're all losers iirc

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 18:20 (six years ago)

"He's Assyrian you say? Assad's a Syrian too, so what's the problem?"

It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christ (Tom D.), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 18:37 (six years ago)

Manafort's patron Deripaska still has friends in high places:

The U.S. Treasury Department is removing Russian aluminum giant Rusal from the sanctions list https://t.co/vFRx6tk5na

— The Wall Street Journal (@WSJ) December 19, 2018

Sanpaku, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 18:56 (six years ago)

Smooth move, great timing.

Loggins and Rogers and G are...K3NNY (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 19:18 (six years ago)

i'm surprised there hasn't been more chatter about the recent reveal that hackers downloaded a bunch of EU diplomatic cables over a period of 3 years, and also:

The cyberintruders also infiltrated the networks of the United Nations, the A.F.L.-C.I.O., and ministries of foreign affairs and finance worldwide.

...Some of the more than 100 organizations and institutions were targeted years ago. But many were not aware of the breach until a few days ago, when some were alerted by Area 1, a firm founded by three former officials of the National Security Agency.

the hackers released the cables to the nyt, and of course there's lots of juicy stuff in there. but also seems like an issue that an insanely large number of politically-oriented organizations are dealing with this week? holy shit 2018

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/18/us/politics/european-diplomats-cables-hacked.html

Karl Malone, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 19:18 (six years ago)

it wasn't the hackers that released the cables to the nyt:

The cables were copied from the secure network and posted to an open internet site that the hackers set up in the course of their attack, according to Area 1, the firm that discovered the breach.

Area 1 made more than 1,100 of the hacked European Union cables available to The New York Times

love this detail:

In this case, the cables were exposed after a run-of-the-mill phishing campaign aimed at diplomats in Cyprus pierced the island nation’s systems, said Oren Falkowitz, the chief executive of Area 1.

“People talk about sophisticated hackers, but there was nothing really sophisticated about this,” Mr. Falkowitz said. After getting into the Cyprus system, the hackers had access to passwords that were needed to connect to the European Union’s entire database of exchanges.

don't let boomers check their own emails if they have access to sensitive information imo

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 19:42 (six years ago)

very dumb that any of these systems are even connected to the internet

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 19:44 (six years ago)

like the clinton emails hack happening because podesta is a fucking boomer idiot and their IT guy emailed back "it's ok to open" instead of "it's not ok to open" when he got an email like "PleAse mr podestt to enter password thank yous. i am bank" is a maddeningly stupid thing for history to hinge on

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 19:49 (six years ago)

If not this one, what series of tubes would you recommend they use?

Loggins and Rogers and G are...K3NNY (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 19:49 (six years ago)

News! Surely!

https://www.clickhole.com/legal-bombshell-mueller-flipped-trump-s-confidant-s-la-1830939751

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 20:14 (six years ago)

Aw I was going to post that to trump-Russia collusion thread

JoeStork, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 20:21 (six years ago)

That Clickhole post seems to have been pulled for some reason.

resident hack (Simon H.), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 20:24 (six years ago)

It was...TOO real.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 20:27 (six years ago)

"PleAse mr podestt to enter password thank yous. i am bank"

loolllllllll

j., Wednesday, 19 December 2018 20:35 (six years ago)

If a bank asks for your password you have to give it to them. It's the law.

Loggins and Rogers and G are...K3NNY (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 20:38 (six years ago)

Yeah what was the clickhole all about, and why was it likely pulled?

Evan, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 21:09 (six years ago)

Basically best Seth Abramson parody yet.

Anyway, clarity!

A White House official who just briefed reporters on the decision to withdraw U.S. troops from Syria could not say how many have come home, what the timeline is or when others will be leaving. The official referred several questions to DOD, who is referring questions to the WH.

— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) December 19, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 21:13 (six years ago)

Oh my etc

DOJ has asked a court to keep a gag order in place in the case of accused Russian agent Mariia Butina, partly in case her "cooperation may lead to any other arrests." https://t.co/ioi8Iyy6rS

— Brad Heath (@bradheath) December 19, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 21:55 (six years ago)

plz plz Oliver North plz plz

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 22:02 (six years ago)

Ha, tempting.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 22:08 (six years ago)

Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.), under pressure from groups on the left, will not agree to a customary year-end package of judicial nominees, according to a Senate Democratic aide.

Schumer and his Democratic colleagues are in no mood to agree to a year-end deal after a federal judge in Texas struck down the entire Affordable Care Act last week, including protections for people with pre-existing conditions.

https://splinternews.com/looks-like-yelling-at-chuck-schumer-actually-worked-1831213554

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 22:13 (six years ago)

More of a little detail but anyway

NEW: Trump indicated in a 1988 sworn affidavit that he has a deep understanding of campaign-finance laws.

To bring a campaign-finance case, prosecutors have to show someone knew the rules and violated them willfully.

via @rebeccaballhaus @joe_palazzolo https://t.co/Ecc5xUPv7e

— Nicole Hong (@nicole_hong) December 19, 2018

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 22:17 (six years ago)

it doesn't matter, the DOJ will never allow indictment of him while he's in office

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 22:20 (six years ago)

seems like best case scenario is he loses re-election in 2020 and is promptly indicted for felony campaign finance violations but at that point it will be little more than schaudenfreude

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 22:21 (six years ago)

lol @ Morbz continuing to link to splinter news articles that are just the news from other sites but w overheated partisan rhetoric inserted in every paragraph

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 22:23 (six years ago)

if an ex-president were found guilty of a felony it would be a little more than schadenfreude.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 22:42 (six years ago)

i mean i know it's exhausting and everything is a big deal which means nothing is, but come on.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 22:42 (six years ago)

bipartisan carbon dividend bill similar to the House bill is introduced in the Senate: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/115/hr7173

Tell your Senators to support it: https://www2.citizensclimatelobby.org/acton/ct/17897/s-094f-1812/Bct/q-006c/l-sf-contact-0052:2b15b/ct2_0/1?sid=TV2%3ALI8HbJz2F

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 22:43 (six years ago)

oh it would totally be a huge deal, no doubt

at the same time the immediate goal is removing Trump from power
xp

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 22:44 (six years ago)

For weeks, the special counsel’s office has had access to an unofficial copy of Stone’s closed-door September 2017 interview, according to people with knowledge of the process. Mueller’s request of the official copy signals the special counsel could now be pursuing an indictment, several legal experts said.

“That suggests prosecutors are getting ready to bring a charge,” said former federal prosecutor Glenn Kirschner. “Prosecutors can’t bring a charge without an original certified copy of the transcript that shows the witness lied.”

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:22 (six years ago)

Nunes looking at the calendar in despair.

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:30 (six years ago)

Why he's a sensitive fellow, he is.

https://twitter.com/frankthorp/status/1075533375065202689

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:31 (six years ago)

Weird that didn't work. From NBC News reporter Frank Thorp:

Pres Trump says the soldiers who died fighting against ISIS would want the US to pull our troops out of Syria. Pres Trump: "We won, and that's the way we want it, and that's the way they (*points to the sky*) want it."

Ned Raggett, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:32 (six years ago)

Was he pointing at a UFO?

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:35 (six years ago)

clouds

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:36 (six years ago)

a russian satellite

omar little, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:38 (six years ago)

otm

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:40 (six years ago)

Bipartisan statement from Senators Burr and Warner, chair and ranking member of Senate Intel, on lifting of Deripaska company sanctions: “This deal will require constant monitoring to ensure that neither Mr. Deripaska nor the Russian government violate the terms of the agreement” pic.twitter.com/HIvsMZsEqf

— Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) December 19, 2018

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 19 December 2018 23:47 (six years ago)

Erick Erickson is having a breakdown. Good.

The President is regularly his own worst enemy. He cuts a deal -- the best deals we are told -- to give Central America 0 billion without a wall. Then he flees Syria against the advice of everyone. Then he ends sanctions on Russian oligarchs.

— Erick Erickson (@EWErickson) December 20, 2018

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 December 2018 00:22 (six years ago)

Pobrecito.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 December 2018 00:23 (six years ago)

wasn't he a nevertrumper

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Thursday, 20 December 2018 01:11 (six years ago)

he's an imbecile

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 December 2018 01:39 (six years ago)

Well yeah

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Thursday, 20 December 2018 01:39 (six years ago)

The enemy of my enemy is my president (and still my enemy) (and not actually my goddamn president if I goddamn say he isn't).

Loggins and Rogers and G are...K3NNY (Old Lunch), Thursday, 20 December 2018 03:04 (six years ago)

calling him "his own worst enemy" is a way to suggest he actually has the right ideas, he just fumbles them sometimes, vs him having actively terrible ideas almost 100% of the time.

omar little, Thursday, 20 December 2018 03:17 (six years ago)

depending on how the winds shift he can pretend he meant it one way or the other

omar little, Thursday, 20 December 2018 03:18 (six years ago)

calling him "his own worst enemy" is a way to suggest he is actively and significantly screwing up, too. that seems like a conclusion I can cautiously agree to.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 20 December 2018 04:15 (six years ago)

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/19/us/alabama-senate-roy-jones-russia.html

The project’s operators created a Facebook page on which they posed as conservative Alabamians, using it to try to divide Republicans and even to endorse a write-in candidate to draw votes from Mr. Moore. It involved a scheme to link the Moore campaign to thousands of Russian accounts that suddenly began following the Republican candidate on Twitter, a development that drew national media attention.

“We orchestrated an elaborate ‘false flag’ operation that planted the idea that the Moore campaign was amplified on social media by a Russian botnet,” the report says.

j., Thursday, 20 December 2018 06:52 (six years ago)

it sucks that i feel like i finally found my natural calling and it's coming up with schemes to abuse social media platforms to influence elections. i just feel like i could do a much better job

Karl Malone, Thursday, 20 December 2018 07:09 (six years ago)

Why even make the effort? You could have pasted Clinton's face on a hippo with the word "hippocrit" under it and gotten results. Flynn and his son (and both Don Trumps) would have retweeted it.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 December 2018 13:02 (six years ago)

good morning!

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 December 2018 13:03 (six years ago)

A few sharp Hill hands remind me that Pelosi as speaker could decide to invite Trump for SOTU on the day on or after shutdown deadline... timing will be at her discretion and she could make it quite a rough week for POTUS to head to Cap

— Robert Costa (@costareports) December 20, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 20 December 2018 14:52 (six years ago)

that would be delightful

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 20 December 2018 15:23 (six years ago)

so Trump otm about pulling troops out of Syria? I know a little about geopolitics, I guess, hence my disgust at seeing The Bipartisan Foreign Policy Community tearing him a new one.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 December 2018 15:31 (six years ago)

Not otm. It's a betrayal of the Kurds. Yet again.

lbi's life of limitless european glamour (Le Bateau Ivre), Thursday, 20 December 2018 15:35 (six years ago)

Meantime, mild surprise here

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/12/house-intelligence-committee-votes-unanimously-give-mueller-documents-trump-ally-roger-stone/

In that I would have thought Nunes would be all "NOOOOO!" But.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 December 2018 15:38 (six years ago)

loooooool

When I begrudgingly signed the Omnibus Bill, I was promised the Wall and Border Security by leadership. Would be done by end of year (NOW). It didn’t happen! We foolishly fight for Border Security for other countries - but not for our beloved U.S.A. Not good!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 20, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 20 December 2018 15:41 (six years ago)

surprised he didn't write "US of A."

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 December 2018 15:44 (six years ago)

Will he be able to go to Mar-a-lago, the pain, the pain...

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 December 2018 15:48 (six years ago)

hoho

Ryan’s press conference has suddenly been canceled or postponed. Trump sent this tweet after speaking with Ryan. https://t.co/kUJrIRfAWb

— Erica Werner (@ericawerner) December 20, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 20 December 2018 15:52 (six years ago)

Like P.G. Wodehouse said, "to find a man's true character, play golf with him."

Would love to play a round with the Orange One and call him on BS. "Mr. President, I had you for an eight, before the 8 foot putt you gave yourself."

Guessing one or two holes of honest golf, he'd spin into a rage and lose control for the rest of the round.

Honestly, part of the fun of golf is the (thankfully rare) double-hitting a simple chip, feeling that flash of disappointment/rage/impotence, and then calling myself for an extra stroke.

the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Thursday, 20 December 2018 16:05 (six years ago)

If only Trump's documented golfing transgressions could turn the golfing community against him.

Sanpaku, Thursday, 20 December 2018 16:15 (six years ago)

And here I'd been under the impression that golf was one of the like two skills (along with flimflammery natch) in the known universe at which Trump wasn't an unmitigated flop.

Loggins and Rogers and G are...K3NNY (Old Lunch), Thursday, 20 December 2018 16:30 (six years ago)

shutdown/border wall flare-up in the House GOP caucus is hilarious, proving Pelosi right yet again

Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 December 2018 16:49 (six years ago)

is the shutdown a possibility again? just got a nyt alert that trump shit the bed

Karl Malone, Thursday, 20 December 2018 16:54 (six years ago)

guess we'll know more after he gets out of this meeting with republican house members at noon ET

Karl Malone, Thursday, 20 December 2018 16:54 (six years ago)

republicans are psyched out. too much 13th floor elevators on thanksgiving break

Karl Malone, Thursday, 20 December 2018 16:58 (six years ago)

Freedom Caucus is doing their usual shit and ran an endgame around Ryan direct to Trump, saying they would support a $5 billion wall bill. Of course, there's no guarantee a majority of the GOP caucus would even produce the necessary votes, and such a bill is DOA in the Senate so... same as it ever was. Ryan gets to go out on one last humiliating, totally unnecessary defeat.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 December 2018 17:03 (six years ago)

this will be a good meeting

I am now told that the following people are going to the White House:

Paul Ryan
Kevin McCarthy
Mark Meadows
Jim Jordan

— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) December 20, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 20 December 2018 17:05 (six years ago)

lol

Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 December 2018 17:06 (six years ago)

enjoy your flameout into minority status, assholes!

Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 December 2018 17:06 (six years ago)

summoned to the principal's office, where they'll find Ed Rooney covered in diarrhea and KFC

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 December 2018 17:09 (six years ago)

Yesterday:

We have defeated ISIS in Syria, my only reason for being there during the Trump Presidency.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 19, 2018

& Today:

....Russia, Iran, Syria & many others are not happy about the U.S. leaving, despite what the Fake News says, because now they will have to fight ISIS and others, who they hate, without us. I am building by far the most powerful military in the world. ISIS hits us they are doomed!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 20, 2018

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 20 December 2018 17:32 (six years ago)

we defeated ISIS and the next day they came back as the New Order

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Thursday, 20 December 2018 18:01 (six years ago)

make that the First Order

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Thursday, 20 December 2018 18:01 (six years ago)

we defeated ISIS and the next day they came back as the New Order

I thought they changed their name to Celestial.

https://2fnwas1oea9y31r31yme9a19-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/unnamed-3-820x1179.jpg

grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 20 December 2018 18:13 (six years ago)

I assume the GOP can't wait until January 2021 when they can oppose a Dem prez like old times.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 December 2018 18:16 (six years ago)

oh definitely. that will also be a month when they suddenly remember the national deficit and demand spending cuts

Karl Malone, Thursday, 20 December 2018 18:22 (six years ago)

Yay I mean whuh?

a truly bonkers story from @JasonLeopold & @a_cormier_ about how officials at the highest levels of US Treasury in 2016 agreed to use a secret Gmail account to backchannel w/Russian agents seeking financial info on Clinton backers & other US citizens https://t.co/TqyZy4mumv

— Azeen Ghorayshi (@azeen) December 20, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 December 2018 18:27 (six years ago)

Now there's a pose

BREAKING Ryan says Trump won’t sign Senate passed CR: “He will not sign this bill” pic.twitter.com/mFT6p64fMw

— Seung Min Kim (@seungminkim) December 20, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 December 2018 18:28 (six years ago)

I would think if ur dems it’s “better” this happen now w all branches in R control right? Stopgap spending bill would end during D House and let DT claim they’re being obstructionist or whatevrr

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 20 December 2018 18:29 (six years ago)

NPR did an exit profile this morning in which Paul Ryan said "I'm the same person I was when I got here"

lowest bar ever

yet in that photo he's posing as Eustace Tilley

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 December 2018 18:42 (six years ago)

When I told Sen. Collins about the CR: “You’re ruining my life.”

— Jordain Carney (@jordainc) December 20, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 20 December 2018 18:42 (six years ago)

i'm sure she's joking, but i hope she's not

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 20 December 2018 18:42 (six years ago)

Indeed.

Rush Limbaugh just stated @realDonaldTrump notified him personally that he is either getting money for the border, or he is shutting the government down.

— Chris Stigall (@ChrisStigall) December 20, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 December 2018 18:51 (six years ago)

Trump should quit in protest.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 December 2018 18:51 (six years ago)

he went straight to the Dalai Rush

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 December 2018 18:55 (six years ago)

am I understanding this right or was Trump all ready to sign the CR until FOX ran a headline that said "Trump caves on wall" or something

frogbs, Thursday, 20 December 2018 18:56 (six years ago)

He was ready to sign it until jordan and meadows got in his ear

Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:00 (six years ago)

How long has trump been directly consulting with rush fucking limbaugh?

Karl Malone, Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:02 (six years ago)

I think Ann Coulter got under Yam's peel this week?

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:09 (six years ago)

frogbs, id bet on it

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:10 (six years ago)

Doing a little math here.

We had 380 members vote this morning. A two-thirds majority to override the veto would be 255. We have 171 Dems here, and could probably get another four. (Call it 175.)

You'd need 80 Republicans to override the veto. Not impossible.

— Matt Fuller (@MEPFuller) December 20, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:11 (six years ago)

CORKER: “Mitch is on the phone with Paul now, so....” *corker starts laughing*

Q: Why are you laughing?

Corker: “Well, why not?”
///
Corker: “Ya’ll have fun! I may not see ya’ll again for a while...”

Q: You’re not going to come back from TN for votes?

Corker: “I doubt it.”

— Frank Thorp V (@frankthorp) December 20, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:22 (six years ago)

Haha

Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:23 (six years ago)

yet in that photo he's posing as Eustace Tilley

nah, p sure its
https://bilder.buecher.de/zusatz/41/41138/41138144_deta_4.jpg

Bênoit Balls (stevie), Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:24 (six years ago)

Q: What’s going to happen?

CORKER: “Who knows? Does the person sitting beside him at the WH know?”

*Ted Cruz walks by and says to a reporter: “I think we need to follow through and fund the wall.”*

*Corker starts laughing again.”

CORKER: “You can’t make this stuff up!”

— Frank Thorp V (@frankthorp) December 20, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:25 (six years ago)

no dark sarcasm in the Dome

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:26 (six years ago)

lmao of course

Oh my god the Wall Go Fund Me is a money laundering scheme. What a close out to the year https://t.co/DMsWz7LclZ

— American Propagandist (@ArmyStrang) December 20, 2018

frogbs, Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:28 (six years ago)

woooowww my boy, defeated congressmen Carlos Curbelo, is livid on MSNBC.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:40 (six years ago)

Is there anyone outside the talker class who thinks Trump and Rs can "win" the shutdown here?

— Noah Rothman (@NoahCRothman) December 20, 2018

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:45 (six years ago)

this is totally a self-inflicted wound and they are really gonna do their damnedest on it so let's popcorn.gif this motherfucker

Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:48 (six years ago)

A happy day!

DON YOUNG, the dean of the House, just went up to the house well and SCREAMED at Doug Collins, who is presiding over the vote, to close voting.

— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) December 20, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:49 (six years ago)

"There, there."

Meadows just approached McCarthy in the front of the chamber, shook his hand and patted him on the elbow.

— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) December 20, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:50 (six years ago)

this is also, hilariously, going to totally overshadow their one significant legislative accomplishment this year - one which might even appeal to non-death cultist voters - the criminal justice reform bill

xp

Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:51 (six years ago)

Who knew he was such an aesthete? https://t.co/LH72ISEJMX

— Doug Henwood (@DougHenwood) December 19, 2018

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:53 (six years ago)

btw, it looks like stock market is clearing the way for the Green New Deal to gather more support in the next Congress. my preference would be to pass the spending for it asap, because if the business sector is frightened of recession it will back a big economic stimulus package. repealing most the 2017 tax cut can wait until after the GND is secured.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:55 (six years ago)

hm I hadn't thought of that, that's a good point - in the event of a downturn the argument for the GND as a stimulus package is way more attractive than trying to, say, raise taxes

Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 December 2018 19:57 (six years ago)

Assuming that even most of the Freedom Caucus don't really believe "the wall" is essential to national security, what's their angle on all this? Just that it plays well at home? Seems so self-defeating, it's not going to go well for them politically.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 20 December 2018 20:12 (six years ago)

All is well. Um.

Farm Bill signing in 15 minutes! #Emmys #TBT pic.twitter.com/KtSS17xvIn

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 20, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 December 2018 20:20 (six years ago)

this is also, hilariously, going to totally overshadow their one significant legislative accomplishment this year - one which might even appeal to non-death cultist voters - the criminal justice reform bill

otm

just this morning i was thinking about how the criminal justice bill was a raaaare bright spot for this administration (putting aside that there's much more to be done), and they just obliterated any positive coverage they might have gotten on that

Karl Malone, Thursday, 20 December 2018 20:21 (six years ago)

My guess is that most members of the Freedom Caucus are no more sophisticated or sensible than their constituencies. They probably accept the idea that a border wall will successfully interdict undocumented immigrants, just because, wow, that's a big wall and how could they get past it? All we have to do is apply some sure-fire American know-how and spend a little money. Problem solved!

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 20 December 2018 20:24 (six years ago)

the freedom caucus is acting this way because they represent the most right-leaning terrible people in the entire country. they were voted in to vote for racist things and oppose the federal government as much as possible. it makes sense that they're voting this way and advocating for the things they do.

meanwhile, the GOP lacks a pelosi-type figure to make everyone get in line, or at least count votes and twist arms and make sure they can pass a bill. and Trump doesn't know what the fuck is going on and can't read.

so this is the GOP's leadership fault. they can't control their stupid children

Karl Malone, Thursday, 20 December 2018 20:29 (six years ago)

Freedom Caucus continually under the delusion that they have leverage over the Senate (and their own caucus in the House), which they do not.

Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 December 2018 20:39 (six years ago)

The culmination of two years with absolute power over the federal government, ladies and gentlemen. It's a glorious, glorious sight to behold.

Loggins and Rogers and G are...K3NNY (Old Lunch), Thursday, 20 December 2018 20:45 (six years ago)

Meantime

The Georgia "deportation bus" candidate has been indicted over an incident where he says servers were stolen form his office; his former campaign manager said they were being used to mine cryptocurrency https://t.co/whQu0rxRsV

— Terri Rupar (@terri_rupar) December 20, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 December 2018 20:56 (six years ago)

Follow Me to Mexico Prison

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 20 December 2018 21:13 (six years ago)

It's a dark day when this bimbo is otm:

What this shutdown farce will do is make sure Republican legislators really hate Trump, even as they fear him far less

— John Podhoretz (@jpodhoretz) December 20, 2018

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 December 2018 21:15 (six years ago)

How to win friends and influence people

Rep. Meadows tells federal employees who won’t get paid during shutdown: You signed up for this https://t.co/XaLuP5cVCj

— Post Politics (@postpolitics) December 20, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:00 (six years ago)

cool dudes all

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:02 (six years ago)

apparently now talking up an Afghanistan withdrawal

resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:04 (six years ago)

err, take that with a huge grain of salt for now I guess

Big. @jaketapper reports that Trump administration officials are now bracing for the president to announce the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Afghanistan soon. No final decision has been made by Trump, the sources warned.

— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) December 20, 2018

resident hack (Simon H.), Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:05 (six years ago)

whoa

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:06 (six years ago)

gotta reassign them to construction duty on the beautiful fence

sans lep (sic), Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:09 (six years ago)

tbf, unlike in Syria where I feel like protecting the Kurds and YPG is an admirable goal, idk wtf we've accomplished in Afghanistan (apart from chasing OBL out of it)

Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:10 (six years ago)

could've sworn we already withdrew from Afghanistan several times. Was it Iraq?

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:16 (six years ago)

No timeline on Syria makes it as worthless as any of his other declarations.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:17 (six years ago)

BTW, I wonder how much of Trump's fabled master negotiator rep over the years, however self-promoted, was really no more than this bullshit no-compromise, my way or the highway anti-negotiation? Probably a lot of it. Maybe all of it.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:19 (six years ago)

well duh, only pussies compromise

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:22 (six years ago)

Mattis gone at the end of February, Trump tweets

Karl Malone, Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:23 (six years ago)

so long Moderate Dog

Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:25 (six years ago)

Yeah, who's going to want THAT job.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:26 (six years ago)

i already turned it down

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:26 (six years ago)

lindsey graham? but now he's in trouble because he made his dad mad yesterday on twitter

Karl Malone, Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:27 (six years ago)

so the house is going to try to pass a CR with border funding, just to show mean old nancy pelosi that they can do it (during her smackdown of trump earlier this week she said that the house didn't have the votes to pass it in the first place). wouldn't it be kind of satisfying if it didn't pass because it didn't get the votes of GOP members who were criticized by trump after the midterms for not "embracing" trump? i'm sure they would relish an opportunity to say "fuck you" on the way out the door

Karl Malone, Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:28 (six years ago)

lindsey graham? but now he's in trouble because he made his dad mad yesterday on twitter

It would be amusing to see Graham try.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:31 (six years ago)

so the house is going to try to pass a CR with border funding

I look forward to their failure

Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:32 (six years ago)

bracing for the president to announce the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Afghanistan soon

This would be wholly in character for Trump and seems extremely plausible, given how badly the news cycles have been treating him lately. he's looking for something, anything, he can use to change the conversation and make his crackpot base happy, without needing direct congressional approval. in the process, he's just burning more bridges to all his non-crackpot allies.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:34 (six years ago)

and many of them aren't even there because they're bummed about losing their election, have been kicked out of their offices already, are mad at trump and the world, never understood the meaning of public service, or some combination of those things

xp

Karl Malone, Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:34 (six years ago)

What are words for

! This line of Mattis resignation letter (h/t @Elizabeth_McLau): “Because you have the right to have a Secretary of Defense whose views are better aligned with yours on these and other subjects, I believe it is right for me to step down from my position.” pic.twitter.com/S1z75wotsK

— Katherine Faulders (@KFaulders) December 20, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:37 (six years ago)

he probably is withdrawing from afghanistan then

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:38 (six years ago)

and also the paragraph before that, where he talks about "treating allies with respect"

wonder if this is in protest of the syria decision, then

Karl Malone, Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:38 (six years ago)

xp

Karl Malone, Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:38 (six years ago)

hey, a silver lining from the goldplated grifter

...if it happens

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:39 (six years ago)

seems kind of fucked up. wouldn't the taliban just regain a bunch of ground if US troops weren't there to support the afghan forces?

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:39 (six years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OO9LloDSJo

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:40 (six years ago)

BREAKING: Mulvaney to be new acting Secretary of Defense, as well as Chief of Staff, Director of OMB, and head of Consumer Finance Protection Agency.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:40 (six years ago)

Bring On Sargeant Slaughter!

Infidels, Like Dylan In The Eighties (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:40 (six years ago)

Gonna be an interesting 2019.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:45 (six years ago)

well well well, looks like Don is more isolated than ever

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:47 (six years ago)

Why is anyone surprised at Trump's normal negotiating mode?

David Brin: The Failed Art of the Deal

Time and again, Donald Trump tries the same pattern: break something the other party wants, threaten copious pain, then watch them scramble 90% toward what you want. It worked for Trump against Merv Griffin and dozens of real estate development ‘partners’ and shivved contractors. It worked when he got his (very clever!) 1980s tax break deal with New York City. It reliably worked on his television show, The Apprentice.

Sanpaku, Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:48 (six years ago)

remember that NYT op-ed from inside the white house?!

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:51 (six years ago)

written by Barron iirc

Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:52 (six years ago)

weigel breaks it down correctly here imo

Why does Congress keep ending up here? Simple: The base of the Republican Party, amplified on conservative media, has both endorsed the wall as a must-pass litmus test issue and insisted that a shutdown that ends with wall funding will be an incredible win for the president.

The second part of that is true, but not as some conservative talkers understand it. Early this year, the president briefly entertained a deal that would have secured $25 billion of border security funding, which he interpreted as money for the wall, in exchange for a Dream Act. Without rehashing the drama, we know two things: It could have passed, and it would have divided Democratic politicians from an activist base that rallied around a "Clean Dream Act" with no wall money. Trump had, and squandered, an opportunity to weaken his opponents and get what he wanted.

That's not an option anymore, but there's a large amount of conservative commentary that insists it is — or that the polls are wrong, and getting money for a wall would set the president up for 2020. There's a real risk of the president being talked into a series of confrontations, across 2019 and 2020, that shore up a base too small to reelect him. It's hard to find any Democrat worried about this.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:52 (six years ago)

Not inaccurate.

Let's not forget that Mattis chose to carry water for a lot of grubby, unethical, destructive and downright cruel stuff for Trump. His resignation letter a strong defense of NATO, but far too late. 3,000 troops in Syria was his breaking pt, not shooting at refugees in Mexico.

— Dan Murphy (@bungdan) December 20, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:53 (six years ago)

this is from the givesmart newsletter (a thing about state politics). it maybe belongs on a left wing drift thread.

To me the most important story of the week came out of Kansas, where Republican state senator Barbara Bollier changed parties because she agreed with Democrats on Medicaid expansion and school funding https://shawneemissionpost.com/2018/12/12/sen-barbara-bollier-changes-party-affiliation-to-democrat-says-republican-party-morally-not-going-where-my-compass-resides-75694. Bollier had openly mused about joining some type of centrist third party so she’d have a chance to continue representing a district that went from supporting Obama by less than 500 votes to one that supported Clinton by 20%, but decided that Democrats were the only viable home for people like her. But Bollier’s move was later followed by a pair of additional switches from Dinah Sykes and Stephanie Clayton, both of whom represent more marginal districts that voted for Romney but flipped to Clinton.

Kansas still has a solidly Republican legislature and Democrats could’ve won those three seats in 2020 regardless. So why is this so important? Well, there’s been some hand-wringing on the left that the Democrats’ increasing reliance on suburban voters will end up transforming them into a socially liberal but pro-austerity centrist party. But Bollier cited expanding health care and all three cited increasing education funding as their reasons for flipping. And they all consider these positions to be centrist. Democrats may rely on the centrist suburbs, but the center and the suburbs are both moving left.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 20 December 2018 22:57 (six years ago)

. wouldn't it be kind of satisfying if it didn't pass because it didn't get the votes of GOP members who were criticized by trump after the midterms for not "embracing" trump? i'm sure they would relish an opportunity to say "fuck you" on the way out the door

― Karl Malone

Curbelo hinted as much a couple hours ago

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 December 2018 23:12 (six years ago)

The Mattis legacy is SUPER complicated. The one narrow claim I can make confidently: We would've bombed North Korea last year (or early this year) if instead of him we had a Secretary Graham, Rich, Cotton, Bolton, or [insert conservative doormat] #OntheBrink

— Van Jackson (@WonkVJ) December 20, 2018

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 20 December 2018 23:23 (six years ago)

So we’re probably getting SecDef Cotton ... who wants to start laying money on the over-under for wars with Iran and North Korea?

— Lindsay P Cohn (@lindsaypcohn) December 20, 2018

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 20 December 2018 23:28 (six years ago)

we will not go to war with either Iran or North Korea for the simple fact that the Pentagon and the military don't want to do it/know the only options are no-win scenarios

Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 December 2018 23:32 (six years ago)

I assume Maddis is going to be the good soldier up until the very end, and despite resigning in protest won't say a bad word about the president from his perch in the private sector.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 20 December 2018 23:33 (six years ago)

“Officials said Mr. Mattis went to the White House on Thursday afternoon in a last attempt to convince Mr. Trump to keep American troops in Syria. He was rebuffed, and told the president that he was resigning as a result” via ⁦@helenecooper⁩ - https://t.co/dM4OeZvRRe

— Eliana Johnson (@elianayjohnson) December 20, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 20 December 2018 23:33 (six years ago)

I suspect that Trump doesn't actually want to start a new foreign war. So while he may blunder into one, I worry more about the destruction of US alliances for the next two years, particularly with South Korea. https://t.co/o7pdFNeVM8

— (((James Acton))) (@james_acton32) December 20, 2018

That’s true, but he can be talked into a limited strike—a “bloody nose,” if you will—that spirals into a war.

— Ankit Panda (@nktpnd) December 20, 2018

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Thursday, 20 December 2018 23:36 (six years ago)

Setting aside the guy without spray on hair check out that chyron ... pic.twitter.com/BCADW9XVHO

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) December 20, 2018

maura, Thursday, 20 December 2018 23:42 (six years ago)

so much winning!

Trump will only "stumble into" a war if somebody bombs us first tbf

Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 December 2018 23:44 (six years ago)

Oh shit, Mattis. You were our 25th Amendment fall-back line.

There's not going to be a single patriot left on the cabinet to evict Trump when he contests the 2020 results.

Sanpaku, Thursday, 20 December 2018 23:44 (six years ago)

were u really expecting anyone in Trump's cabinet to defy him, come on

Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 December 2018 23:48 (six years ago)

Oh shit, Mattis. You were our 25th Amendment fall-back line.

There's not going to be a single patriot left on the cabinet to evict Trump when he contests the 2020 results.

― Sanpaku, Thursday, December 20, 2018 3:44 PM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is hilarious fan-fiction

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 20 December 2018 23:55 (six years ago)

I feel that way about a lot of Sanpaku's political prognostications tbrr

Οὖτις, Thursday, 20 December 2018 23:58 (six years ago)

Good ol' fashioned corruption

NEW: John Kelly’s closest side devised a plan to “hang out” on the WH complex with pay for six months, then retire early from the Coast Guard with the help of a legislative move to allow such retirements. W ⁦@npfandoshttps://t.co/bx0kIKOUEY

— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) December 21, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 December 2018 00:06 (six years ago)

Should read "side piece"

DJI, Friday, 21 December 2018 00:28 (six years ago)

Wall funding CR passed in the House

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 01:05 (six years ago)

But Pelosi said... :(

Siouxie Sioux Vide (Leee), Friday, 21 December 2018 01:06 (six years ago)

well that's fucked up

sleeve, Friday, 21 December 2018 01:06 (six years ago)

no fucking way

Trϵϵship, Friday, 21 December 2018 01:07 (six years ago)

Kinda feel like they did it just to prove Pelosi wrong. It’s def DOA in the Senate tho.

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 01:10 (six years ago)

Requires 60 votes in the Senate.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 21 December 2018 01:12 (six years ago)

WASHINGTON — The Trump administration is withdrawing roughly 7,000 troops from Afghanistan in the coming months, two defense officials said Thursday, around half of what the American military has there now.

Mr. Trump made the decision at the same time he decided he was pulling American forces out of Syria, one official said. The move is likely one of the first steps to end the United States’ involvement in the 17-year-old war.

The 14,000 American troops currently in Afghanistan are divided between training and advising Afghan forces and a counterterror mission against groups like the Islamic State and Al Qaeda. The reduction, one official said, is in an effort to make Afghan forces more reliant on their own troops and not Western support.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/20/us/politics/afghanistan-troop-withdrawal.html

Karl Malone, Friday, 21 December 2018 01:13 (six years ago)

hell of a day

Karl Malone, Friday, 21 December 2018 01:13 (six years ago)

t’s def DOA in the Senate tho.

what makes you think this?

sleeve, Friday, 21 December 2018 01:15 (six years ago)

There are not 9+ Dem Senators that will vote for it

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 01:19 (six years ago)

It needs 60 votes

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 21 December 2018 01:19 (six years ago)

House republican headbangers convinces trump this was legislative jujitsu to get dems to share the blame for the shutdown. We’re getting a shutdown.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 21 December 2018 01:20 (six years ago)

We definitely don’t have to worry about breakaway dem senators right? I just know how much Schumer sucks at holding together his caucus.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Friday, 21 December 2018 01:23 (six years ago)

he sucks, but not 9 senators sucks. and of course the dems who might flip have mostly lost their seat already, so aren't worried about electoral politics. and trump's "i want a shutdown" means that the GOP plan to share the blame is ... obviously not a very good one, even to the most craven dems.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 21 December 2018 01:25 (six years ago)

BREAKING: The U.S. plans to withdraw 7,000 troops from Afghanistan, about half the number that are currently there, according to a U.S. defense official https://t.co/5AvyS2zrOs

— Bloomberg Politics (@bpolitics) December 21, 2018

stet, Friday, 21 December 2018 01:30 (six years ago)

Sorry, old news

stet, Friday, 21 December 2018 01:30 (six years ago)

This is all so he doesn’t have to visit the troops right?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 21 December 2018 01:34 (six years ago)

lol

resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 21 December 2018 01:36 (six years ago)

Yeah there’s gonna be a shutdown now, maybe all the way until next congress and a bit beyond

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 01:49 (six years ago)

Whoever runs against this guy has their campaign ad

Tonight, I asked Scott Perry (R-Pa.) about effect of fed employees being furloughed. He argued it had no real impact since employees eventually get paid back.

"Who’s living that they’re not going to make it to the next paycheck?"

— Sarah Ferris (@sarahnferris) December 21, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 21 December 2018 01:52 (six years ago)

Yeah there’s gonna be a shutdown now, maybe all the way until next congress and a bit beyond

How Can The Dems Take Over Congress If We Don't Reopen Congress?

https://media.giphy.com/media/d3mlE7uhX8KFgEmY/source.gif

Infidels, Like Dylan In The Eighties (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 21 December 2018 01:58 (six years ago)

scott perry can fuck himself with a hatchet imo

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 21 December 2018 02:25 (six years ago)

Wait -- where is the news that the Dems caved? Looks like a party line vote:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/shutdown-looms-after-house-caves-to-trump-on-funding-bill-with-wall-money

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 December 2018 02:55 (six years ago)

I read “mostly party line” vote which i assumed meant some GOP reps (like yr boy Curbelo) voted no

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 03:18 (six years ago)

https://crooked.com/articles/sheldon-whitehouse-democrats-win/

, Friday, 21 December 2018 03:57 (six years ago)

The time has never been better for someone to write an anonymous OpEd.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 December 2018 04:46 (six years ago)

and despite resigning in protest won't say a bad word about the president from his perch in the private sector.

bbbbut he'll be a pariah! Shakey said so!

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 December 2018 05:43 (six years ago)

You know how crazy this shit is, is that we're already thinking "I hope he can get another clear-headed former general lined up for this role that is specifically and explicitly supposed to have only ever been for civilians".

— Dan Curtis Johnson (@dcurtisj) December 20, 2018

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 21 December 2018 08:57 (six years ago)

Damn. After reading the letter, I noticed that the only kind thing Mattis says to Trump is "Dear Mr. President."

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 December 2018 11:47 (six years ago)

Senator Mitch McConnell should fight for the Wall and Border Security as hard as he fought for anything. He will need Democrat votes, but as shown in the House, good things happen. If enough Dems don’t vote, it will be a Democrat Shutdown! House Republicans were great yesterday!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 21, 2018

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 December 2018 11:55 (six years ago)

no, Dan Curtis Johnson, "we" are not

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 December 2018 12:33 (six years ago)

Yeah I would actually have some Mattis acolyte or career military person than John Bolton

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 21 December 2018 14:11 (six years ago)

dove > hawk who understands war is hell > hawk who has gamed it out on paper

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 21 December 2018 14:15 (six years ago)

Astute observation made by talking head: the biggest difference between Fox and state TV is that in an authoritarian government the head of the state dictates what the TV says, but here the TV dictates what the president says.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 December 2018 14:33 (six years ago)

lol

Loggins and Rogers and G are...K3NNY (Old Lunch), Friday, 21 December 2018 14:58 (six years ago)

when you lose Fox & Friends...

Brian Kilmeade just called out Trump to Sarah Sanders on Syria:

"Sarah, he's giving Russia a big win. Vladimir Putin praised him. He's also doing exactly what he criticized President Obama for doing. He said President Obama was the founder of ISIS. He just refounded ISIS." pic.twitter.com/PC48rTkQ77

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) December 21, 2018

frogbs, Friday, 21 December 2018 15:02 (six years ago)

he said he had a plan to defeat ISIS, he meant once. Balboa didn't keep fighting Ivan Drago!

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 15:04 (six years ago)

Refounded? Is that like being reborn?

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 15:05 (six years ago)

good morning!

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 December 2018 15:05 (six years ago)

lost and refounded

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 15:05 (six years ago)

Smirnoff is currently earning a doctorate btw

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 15:08 (six years ago)

https://apnews.com/ec2ed217357048ff998225a31534df12

jfc !

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 21 December 2018 15:10 (six years ago)

2019 is going to be a terrible year for Trump. and quite probably, us as well.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 15:15 (six years ago)

but we'll have the tax returns

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 December 2018 15:15 (six years ago)

“The talking points were very firm,” said one of the officials, explaining that Trump was advised to clearly oppose a Turkish incursion into northern Syria and suggest the U.S. and Turkey work together to address security concerns. “Everybody said push back and try to offer (Turkey) something that’s a small win, possibly holding territory on the border, something like that.”

Erdogan, though, quickly put Trump on the defensive, reminding him that he had repeatedly said the only reason for U.S. troops to be in Syria was to defeat the Islamic State and that the group had been 99 percent defeated. “Why are you still there?” the second official said Erdogan asked Trump, telling him that the Turks could deal with the remaining IS militants.

With Erdogan on the line, Trump asked national security adviser John Bolton, who was listening in, why American troops remained in Syria if what the Turkish president was saying was true, according to the officials. Erdogan’s point, Bolton was forced to admit, had been backed up by Mattis, Pompeo, U.S. special envoy for Syria Jim Jeffrey andspecial envoy for the anti-ISIS coalition Brett McGurk, who have said that IS retains only 1 percent of its territory, the officials said.

Bolton stressed, however, that the entire national security team agreed that victory over IS had to be enduring, which means more than taking away its territory.

Trump was not dissuaded, according to the officials, who said the president quickly capitulated by pledging to withdraw, shocking both Bolton and Erdogan.

Caught off guard, Erdogan cautioned Trump against a hasty withdrawal, according to one official. While Turkey has made incursions into Syria in the past, it does not have the necessary forces mobilized on the border to move in and hold the large swaths of northeastern Syria where U.S. troops are positioned, the official said.

The call ended with Trump repeating to Erdogan that the U.S. would pull out, but offering no specifics on how it would be done, the officials said.

this is insane !! Erdogan is even taken aback at how fucking stupid this turd is

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 21 December 2018 15:18 (six years ago)

The Democrats now own the shutdown!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 21, 2018

frogbs, Friday, 21 December 2018 15:20 (six years ago)

I mean I know we always say "lol guys nothing is gonna sink this guy" but ignoring decorated military brass and going rogue, refusing to defeat ISIS is something that has even GOP politicians shook.

Not all of them, naturally, like I doubt the Freedom Cockfarmers care, and not necessarily enough to publicly criticize him, but even McConnell seems spooked.

I wouldn't be shocked for Trump to then say "welllll, ok so we're not leaving NOOOOOW, but...". Mattis won't reverse course naturally but I mean bad press, ,esp in Fox News, often causes Trump to change his mind.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 15:20 (six years ago)

oh yes, we own the shutdown, good one

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 15:21 (six years ago)

Dem senators will not cave on this ,right ?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 21 December 2018 15:22 (six years ago)

not 9 of them, no

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 15:24 (six years ago)

Fox News and liberals united on American war policy

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/422426-fox-friends-co-host-trump-just-refounded-isis-by-pulling-troops-out

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 December 2018 15:24 (six years ago)

plus there will be no-shows for the vote

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 15:24 (six years ago)

oh they totally will xp

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 21 December 2018 15:24 (six years ago)

yeah I am not at all optimistic about this Senate vote

sleeve, Friday, 21 December 2018 15:27 (six years ago)

I know it's humorous to pretend that the Democrats are the biggest weenies at every opportunity, but since this is only a partial shutdown, and 75% of the government is funded through September, and this is a move that caused even the GOP consternation, no, there will not be 9 Democrat Senators who vote yes on this shit. they no longer have a midterm election to worry about.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 15:28 (six years ago)

more likely is the Senate takes up the House bill, strips out the 5 billion for the border wall, and sends it back to the House.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 15:31 (six years ago)

HOW IS THIS STILL UP

Since everyone is just now realizing his staffers role in the #RussiaHoax We have been asking questions! John McCain Still Refuses to Answer Questions About His Role in the Dossier https://t.co/acsVdH1GTq

— Katrina Pierson (@KatrinaPierson) December 21, 2018

frogbs, Friday, 21 December 2018 15:31 (six years ago)

feel like that was an accidental repost? if you click the link, it shows the article in question that she wrote was from 11/2/2017.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 15:35 (six years ago)

oh actually what I think she was doing was showing that they'd previously asked questions in the past and stupidly linked to an old article to prove that

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 15:37 (six years ago)

lmao

I’ve done more damage to ISIS than all recent presidents....not even close!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 21, 2018

frogbs, Friday, 21 December 2018 15:43 (six years ago)

"If we don't get what we want ... I will shut down the government. And I am proud to shut down the government for border security.... I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I'm not going to blame you for it."

this should be the only dem response to the shutdown

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 21 December 2018 15:49 (six years ago)

People should post that tweet on the door of every closed government office.

DJI, Friday, 21 December 2018 16:14 (six years ago)

and on the butt of every Senator

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 16:14 (six years ago)

"I’ve long said that eliminating the legislative filibuster would be a mistake," said outgoing Senate Finance Chairman Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) in a string of tweets explaining his position.
"It’s what’s prevented our country for decades from sliding toward liberalism. It’s inconvenient sometimes, but requiring compromise is in the interest of both parties in the long term," Hatch said.

oh fucking drop dead of heart failure already

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 16:16 (six years ago)

"sliding towards liberalism" naturally the thing I am reacting to

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 16:16 (six years ago)

carne asada otm

i put it into a text file and repeated it a thousand times, then took a screenshot and replied to trump with it

let's see what he says to THAT

Karl Malone, Friday, 21 December 2018 16:16 (six years ago)

he is a horrible person, but he is not wrong on that point

xp

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 16:17 (six years ago)

he said "mmmmdafdagh dsh god chrkan" in between bites of KFC crispy strips

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 16:17 (six years ago)

civil rights bills would have passed in the 40s if it wasn't for the filibuster

xp

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 16:18 (six years ago)

he's not wrong on the point of why eliminating the filibuster is bad, I was just objecting to his snide "it's the thing that has stopped us from heading towards godless liberalism!"

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 16:18 (six years ago)

I mean it's true but it's not a virtue obv

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 16:20 (six years ago)

Senate Republicans rejected President Donald Trump's entreaties to eliminate the Senate filibuster to fund his border wall, the latest turn in a fraught battle over funding the government past Friday night's shutdown deadline.

Senators were called back to Washington Friday to vote on the House’s spending bill and its border funding, a futile effort in the face of a Democratic filibuster that will leave the government on the brink of a partial shutdown. Trump called Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) for a White House meeting on Friday to hash it out.

Trump already thought he had a solution: urging McConnell to get rid of the filibuster to fund the border wall, even though McConnell has said repeatedly that would not happen.

“Mitch, use the Nuclear Option and get it done! Our Country is counting on you!” Trump tweeted on Friday morning.

Republicans hold 51 Senate seats and need at least nine Democrats to pass most legislation, including funds for the border wall. Yet changing the filibuster rules in the waning days of GOP unified control would offer limited short-term gain and major long-term pain whenever Democrats take over on Capitol Hill. And conservatives have historically wielded the filibuster to slow down progressive legislation.

But there are insufficient votes to change the Senate voting rules to a simple majority. Sens. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.) and Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) said they won't vote for a rules change, and neither will Sen. Lamar Alexander (R-Tenn.).

"I want to put a stop to this practice of the Senate breaking its rules to change its rules. I will not vote to turn the Senate into a rule-breaking institution and I hope that my colleagues will not," Alexander said in a statement.

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 16:21 (six years ago)

he couldn't have seriously thought Mitch would do the nuclear option. he was just saying that again so that he could have someone else to pin it on when the bill fails.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 16:22 (six years ago)

he is just saying it because he thinks it sounds cool

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 21 December 2018 16:28 (six years ago)

"it's pronounced nucular"

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 16:29 (six years ago)

like he obviously doesn't care to know the implications of it he just loves to say big tough taglines

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 21 December 2018 16:30 (six years ago)

he's got big boy words to go with his big boy pants!

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 16:35 (six years ago)

Nancy Pelosi learned two things today," Rep. Mark Walker (R-N.C.) said in a statement Thursday night. "First, it’s not 2009 anymore. Second, hubris is not the same as leadership – you don’t get to march into the Oval Office and dictate your demands without compromise."

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 16:46 (six years ago)

3) in three weeks you will be her bitch

4) what a Pyrrhic victory is

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 16:47 (six years ago)

some gop house idiot was on npr this morning and his vote was basically a fuck you to pelosi and a show vote to the base. dude had no concept about how law making actually fucking works.

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 21 December 2018 17:17 (six years ago)

I think you could limit the scope of your inquiry to just the last twenty-four hours and still come away with the correct conclusion that Donald Trump is one of the stupidest motherfuckers on the planet.

Loggins and Rogers and G are...K3NNY (Old Lunch), Friday, 21 December 2018 17:25 (six years ago)

yeah, the House GOP crowing about it today makes it abundantly clear that Pelosi's shot across the bow at the Trump meeting really stung, and they were eager to prove her wrong. They still had 8 defections and 11 no shows, but the rest jumped on-board out of party loyalty, a hatred of Pelosi, and probably (at least for some, the non-Freedom Caucus death cultists anyway) some consolation in knowing that it was a show vote doomed to failure.

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 17:27 (six years ago)

xp

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 17:27 (six years ago)

Whoops!

Michael Cohen brokered mysterious .8 million loan to pool boy that Jerry Falwell Jr and his wife befriended https://t.co/UdoTFFb2zC

— Raw Story (@RawStory) December 21, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 December 2018 17:28 (six years ago)

can't help picturing Chris Elliot as "Pool Boy"

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 17:30 (six years ago)

Trump is the pool boy

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 17:34 (six years ago)

wearing cutoff shorts and a tiny white t-shirt

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 17:34 (six years ago)

RBG apparently went under a successful surgery for lung cancer. lord she is badass.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 17:40 (six years ago)

Doesn't the term "pool boy" strike anyone else as demeaning and belittling?

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 21 December 2018 17:41 (six years ago)

pool person

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 17:41 (six years ago)

No xp

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 21 December 2018 17:43 (six years ago)

every time someone congratulates RBG (or any other woman) on their persistently not dying I send shanley five dollars

resident hack (Simon H.), Friday, 21 December 2018 17:44 (six years ago)

What’s the deal with the pool boy story?Feel like they’re hinting at something but I’m too thick to connect the dots.

tobo73, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:49 (six years ago)

A RIGHTWING RELIGIOUS LEADER LAVISHED ATTENTION MONEY AND TRAVEL ON A LITHE, BARELY CLAD YOUNG MAN

THEN A NOTORIOUS BRIBE BROKER PAID THE SHINY, SHIRTLESS BOY A BRIBE

HMM WHAT COULD IT MEAN

sans lep (sic), Friday, 21 December 2018 18:52 (six years ago)

lol

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:54 (six years ago)

you can't pee in the pool without consequences

Karl Malone, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:54 (six years ago)

also lmao at this clusterfuck

A stopgap government funding measure that provides $5.7 billion for President Trump's wall and border security is stuck in Senate limbo.
The Senate began taking an initial procedural vote on the House-passed bill at 12:31 p.m., but quickly ran into problems.

The vote has currently been open for more than an hour with the tally at 43-45, a few votes short of the amount needed to advance it.

Republicans hold a 51-seat majority, meaning if every senator voted they could afford to lose one GOP senator and still let Vice President Pence break a tie. GOP Sen. Jeff Flake (Ariz.), who is retiring, voted against proceeding to the House bill.

The House bill is expected to fail in the Senate, where it will need to overcome a 60-vote filibuster. But failing on the first procedural vote would be a setback for Republicans, and an embarrassment for Trump, showing his preferred plan can't get even a simple majority in the Senate.

It's not clear if every senator will be in Washington, D.C. for the vote.

Scores of senators returned home on Wednesday, after the Senate passed a seven-week bill that didn't include the boost in border funds, though several indicated they would return for a crucial government funding vote.

Several senators including Sens. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), Dean Heller (R-Nev.), Doug Jones (R-Ala.), Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.), Patty Murray (D-Wash.), Rand Paul (R-Ky.), Jim Risch (R-Idaho), Jon Tester (D-Mont.) and Tom Udall (D-Utah) haven't yet voted.

Corker, who is retiring, was spotted chatting with Democrats on the Senate floor. He then left the floor without voting and told reporters as he went to talk with Republicans that he needed "intel."

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:54 (six years ago)

Doug Jones (R-Ala.)

*sigh* journalism, everybody

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:55 (six years ago)

come on corker, flip trump off

Karl Malone, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:55 (six years ago)

he might, this is going to be his final chance after all

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 18:56 (six years ago)

Doug Jones (R-Ala.)

*sigh* journalism, everybody

― Οὖτις, Friday, December 21, 2018 1:55 PM

Maybe this is a strategic error!

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 December 2018 19:03 (six years ago)

sorry to be that guy but I’m kind of like fuck RBG for not getting tf out during Obama’s first term

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Friday, 21 December 2018 19:16 (six years ago)

I don't think its at all common for justices to calculate along those lines. In her view (and it is well-justified by the facts) her presence on the court has had a huge effect on the court's jurisprudence. Voluntarily removing herself from that equation when she felt entirely capable of continuing was never going to be an attractive option for her.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 21 December 2018 19:21 (six years ago)

xpost

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 19:21 (six years ago)

I think Kennedy def calculated along those lines and I’d like to see liberal justices follow suit. too much at stake not to imo.

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Friday, 21 December 2018 19:27 (six years ago)

Oh well!

GOP doesn’t think it can get on this bill regardless of what Corker does

“We don’t have the votes”

— Burgess Everett (@burgessev) December 21, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 December 2018 19:31 (six years ago)

Sen. Kennedy helpfully told us "something" will happen after this vote

— Burgess Everett (@burgessev) December 21, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 December 2018 19:32 (six years ago)

Justice Kennedy loved being important. I hope he gets a fish bone stuck in his throat.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 21 December 2018 19:38 (six years ago)

He's gonna be cranky!

News: Trump's travel to Mar-a-Lago today has been officially canceled, per internal WH e-mail.

— Eliana Johnson (@elianayjohnson) December 21, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 December 2018 19:45 (six years ago)

Look out, international allies...

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Friday, 21 December 2018 19:51 (six years ago)

he's gonna be cranky as all get out

Karl Malone, Friday, 21 December 2018 19:57 (six years ago)

Justice Senator Kennedy loved being important. I hope he gets a fish bone stuck in his throat.

― A is for (Aimless), Friday, December 21, 2018 2:38 PM

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 December 2018 19:58 (six years ago)

extra cranky, traitors blocking him at every step:

The Supreme Court on Friday denied the Trump administration’s request that it be allowed to immediately enforce a new policy of denying asylum to those who illegally cross the U.S.-Mexico border, a change that lower courts declared likely illegal.

WmC, Friday, 21 December 2018 20:02 (six years ago)

Waldman at WaPo hints in today's column that he thinks that recent developments might be signalling the erosion of Trump's power base in the GOP, that he's just going to get weaker from here on out as the scandals pile up and he's able to accomplish less and less. I'm skeptical to say the least but I can kinda see some establishment GOP types making the political calculation that they've gotten everything they're going to get out of Trump, and that sticking by him won't yield any benefits legislatively or electorally.

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 20:36 (six years ago)

I mean it's conceivable that the giant man-baby just keeps the gov't in a perpetual state of shutdown/chaos for the next two years. why wouldn't he?

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 20:37 (six years ago)

he either compromises with Pelosi to pass bills and gets labelled a traitor, or he grinds everything to a halt and looks like a pathetic weakling

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 20:38 (six years ago)

All about that base.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 December 2018 20:38 (six years ago)

would you say they are ... his ace

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 20:39 (six years ago)

The Vice President and acting chief of staff are now meeting with Schumer

— Erik Wasson (@elwasson) December 21, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 21 December 2018 20:40 (six years ago)

"Uh...help?"

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 December 2018 20:40 (six years ago)

hahahahahahahahahahahahah

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 20:41 (six years ago)

I remember an interview with Ace of Base from all those years ago, about the origin of their name, and one of the dummies said that the studio was their base and they are aces of the studio.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 December 2018 20:41 (six years ago)

If they have that moron on his own I don’t like this

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 21 December 2018 20:41 (six years ago)

he better be in there telling them this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-iVPZOfD_g

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 21 December 2018 20:42 (six years ago)

what could they possibly promise Schumer that would make his caucus change their minds at the last minute

xp

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 20:42 (six years ago)

If they mention his imaginary family we’re done for

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 21 December 2018 20:43 (six years ago)

If the Republicans in Congress distance themselves from Trump, it will be very cautiously. It would require some very damning and unmistakable evidence of serious crimes to cause any mass stampede away from him. So far, the campaign finance felonies he committed are the worst openly-proved crimes and they won't shake the party loose from him.

Remember, Nixon and Reagan committed actual treason, Nixon by opening personal negotiations with North Vietnam during the Paris peace talks, and Reagan by negotiating with Iran during the hostage crisis, and both are still lionized by the GOP.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 21 December 2018 20:47 (six years ago)

The fact that they’re visiting when the procedural vote is still open and they haven’t even got to the nut cutting vote is good news I guess, but the fact that Schumer is involved is not

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 21 December 2018 20:48 (six years ago)

Schumer's gonna go where his caucus is, and the Dem caucus has what - zero yea votes for this?

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 20:52 (six years ago)

I mean, maybe Manchin or Donnelly or something but why would they stick their necks out at this particular point

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 20:52 (six years ago)

point being you just can't trust these fuckers

this shit with Schumer is not a good sign, again. I'll be glad when this particular nailbiter is over and I can go back to worrying about NK or whatever

sleeve, Friday, 21 December 2018 20:53 (six years ago)

Schumer should be smart enough to know he can't commit to anything without the approval of his caucus, because he only has one vote on the floor and senators don't like to get whipped for a deal they had no hand in.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 21 December 2018 20:55 (six years ago)

yeah I think you guys are worrying over nothing

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 20:58 (six years ago)

Maybe but I keep coming back to this

This, from a couple of days ago, is the best look at Chuck Schumer's brain I've yet read. I think people missed it because of the midterms. https://t.co/RZw3iHBSEZ pic.twitter.com/9eErb2tN1p

— Osita Nwanevu (@OsitaNwanevu) November 7, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 21 December 2018 21:00 (six years ago)

We're a couple of years into the worst president ever, who despite his best efforts has still managed to achieve plenty that has set the US back decades, I think there's always reason to worry.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 December 2018 21:01 (six years ago)

Are they going to put DACA on the table? Depending on the details that might possibly be worth a few billion for a wall project that will be abandoned as soon as Trump disappears.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 21 December 2018 21:02 (six years ago)

It's the Friday before a holiday weekend, y'all. You should be planning drinks after work!

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 December 2018 21:05 (six years ago)

That's grist for this thread.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 21 December 2018 21:09 (six years ago)

or drinking at work! which i'm about to

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 21 December 2018 21:09 (six years ago)

I had a beer with lunch just now, does that count?

Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 December 2018 21:11 (six years ago)

Schumer's an idiot but he literally doesn't have the votes to deliver to McConnell even if he wanted to. There are not 9 Dem Senators that will vote for the wall, and there's no time to negotiate some kind of other totally new deal/bill that would ostensibly flip votes.

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 21:11 (six years ago)

I had a beer with lunch just now, does that count?

― Ned Raggett,

Sazerac for me!

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 December 2018 21:12 (six years ago)

here we go

Deal to avert shutdown after Schumer huddle with Trump admin?

“I feel the earth moving. I’m feeling better now than I did an hour ago because that meeting occurred,” said Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn of Texas.

— Burgess Everett (@burgessev) December 21, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 21 December 2018 21:14 (six years ago)

Jared saves the day!

Schumer, Flake and Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) could be seen chatting on the Senate floor, trying to work something out. Some Republicans said it was up to Schumer to negotiate directly with Trump and get buy-in from House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) as well as the hard-line House Freedom Caucus, which caused the rebellion against a clean spending bill in the first place.

Vice President Mike Pence, acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney and White House adviser Jared Kushner arrived at the Capitol at 3:30 p.m. and walked into Schumer’s office.

Democrats say they will provide $1.3 billion in funding for fencing, though Republicans believe they might be able to convince Schumer to go up to as much as $1.6 billion, the bipartisan number originally negotiated in the Senate. House Democrats have, so far, rejected that.

Senate spending chief Richard Shelby (R-Ala.), said he directly asked Trump to reconsider the $1.6 billion funding deal in the Thursday afternoon sit down with McConnell and Trump.

“We never reached a number, but the president said to us, he doesn’t want to shut down the government,” Shelby said. He added that Schumer was consulting with Pelosi.

After a GOP lunch on Friday, Republicans said that in a private meeting with senators, Trump took a hard-line but did not give a specific number on what amount of border wall funding might satisfy him.

"I don’t believe a strong sense came out of the meeting," said Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.). “Mostly a nuclear option and shutdown is acceptable to him, would be the two takeaway points, I think. And the wall matters and will be beautiful when built."

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 21:15 (six years ago)

idgaf about $1.6 billion for fencing if that's what it ends up being

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 21:16 (six years ago)

Everyone just wants to go home. Fencing probably happens.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 December 2018 21:16 (six years ago)

So, it looks like this could end up at 1.6 for border security. Which is ..... exactly where it started.

— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) December 21, 2018

i guess flake and corker were ready to vote it down, so we're back here, and trump gets to go to florida tonight

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 21 December 2018 21:16 (six years ago)

is Blunt doing indirect quotation there or

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 December 2018 21:17 (six years ago)

the wall matters and will be beautiful when built

what song is that from ?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 21 December 2018 21:19 (six years ago)

these would have to be reconciled, right? but I guess the idea being the House will re-pass it and then the Pres will sign it with a shit-taking smirk....

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 21:21 (six years ago)

Money for that wall is setting that money on fire. Is the KLF filming?

Yerac, Friday, 21 December 2018 21:22 (six years ago)

if the Senate passes a $1.6B for fencing bill yeah it will go to the House for an up or down vote

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 21:23 (six years ago)

Flake is pushing a deal that would reauthorize the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program in exchange for border-wall funding.

Flake voted against a motion to proceed to the House-passed stopgap because Democrats have vowed to defeat it and he wants to find a resolution sooner instead of later.

“I don’t see any reason to proceed to a bill that can’t pass,” said Flake told reporters after meeting with GOP colleagues on how to proceed.

He said he wants to “find a bill that can pass.”

“I think one that could — if we’re going to reopen this thing to add more money for a wall or steel slats, or whatever you want to call it, then throw DACA in too,” Flake said, adding that several colleagues support his position.

lol when are they going to write this bill, tonight?

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 21:28 (six years ago)

gotta love how they're just rehashing previously rejected ideas at the last minute as if that's genius deal-making or something

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 21:30 (six years ago)

I can't see re-authorizing DACA passing the House, frankly

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 21:31 (six years ago)

Freedom Caucus *hates* that shit

interesting that they have Schumer in touch with Pelosi but nobody mentions talking to Ryan lol

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 21:31 (six years ago)

Yeah. Unless DACA reinstatement is in the same bill as the wall funding and Trump must sign them together, I wouldn't accept any promise Trump makes about his future actions. He lies.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 21 December 2018 21:32 (six years ago)

Corker says Schumer and McConnell struck an agreement with him and Flake. He then met with Pence and Kushner and Mulvaney to get sign off. Schumer and McConnell will announce on floor within 30 minutes he says

— Burgess Everett (@burgessev) December 21, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 21 December 2018 21:51 (six years ago)

the agreement is for the funding measure bill to be a giant photocopy of Schumer's ass

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 21:52 (six years ago)

Corker cautioned that it’s an agreement on process only, but expressed hope it could ultimately lead to a deal to avoid a partial government shutdown set to begin at the end of the day Friday.

McConnell and Senate Democratic Leader Charles Schumer (N.Y.) are expected to enter into the agreement on the Senate floor.
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“This is will be an agreement between McConnell and Schumer about what next happens on the Senate floor. You’ll see them to enter into a little discussion,” Corker said. “It charts the course forward that gives us the best chance of actually coming to a solution.”

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 21:53 (six years ago)

the "fence" IS the wall, not sure why y'all are shrugging it off, gonna have hugely negative local impacts whether it's 1.6B or 5B.

sleeve, Friday, 21 December 2018 21:54 (six years ago)

so glad they're working out Senate processes at the last minute lol

"process only" = there's no bill, no one's talked to the House GOP leadership, and Schumer didn't commit any votes for passage of non-existent bill?

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 21:55 (six years ago)

the "fence" IS the wall,

not exactly, iirc the $1.6 billion was to repair existing fencing, not construct anything new

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 21:56 (six years ago)

yeah they didn't say 1.6 billion for artisanal steel slats

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 21:57 (six years ago)

xp ah, thanks, that is a genuine relief.

I can't figure out what the hell is going on and I don't think the legislators know either as you point out

sleeve, Friday, 21 December 2018 21:57 (six years ago)

are the tax returns stapled to the artisanal steel slats with the Camebert and elk foie gras

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 December 2018 21:58 (six years ago)

they are covered in ketchup from McD's packets

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 21:59 (six years ago)

maybe they're just going to slap DACA reinstatement onto the House bill and see what votes that gets in the Senate.

whether that would pass the House once it's passed back seems like a bit of a gamble. If I was Pelosi I wouldn't take that deal, but really it would be up to the Freedom Caucus I suppose

yeah who knows what's happening

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:03 (six years ago)

Kasie Hunt of MSNBC just acknowledge that Democrats have all the cards.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 December 2018 22:03 (six years ago)

btw RBG voted from her hospital bed to fuck Trump over today

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 22:04 (six years ago)

We're back to the original $1.6 billion offer.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 December 2018 22:04 (six years ago)

lmao

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:06 (six years ago)

hahaha

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 22:06 (six years ago)

master negotiator!

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 22:06 (six years ago)

Trump will just lie, say this was the plan all along, and btw lots of the wall is already built and now he has money to build more of it

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:08 (six years ago)

and Rush Limbaugh will still be upset!

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 December 2018 22:08 (six years ago)

and ann coulter, who somehow seems to have been very influential in this debacle

Karl Malone, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:12 (six years ago)

the wall's a stealth wall, so you can't see it

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 22:12 (six years ago)

wall is stealth wall

Karl Malone, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:13 (six years ago)

I've said all along that everyone should just tell Trump that the wall is built but only the very, very most highly intelligent people can see it

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:13 (six years ago)

only the best people

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:13 (six years ago)

Coulter said in a podcast interview on Tuesday with the Daily Caller that she would not vote for Trump in 2020 "if the wall wasn't built."

“Why would you [vote for him again]?” the provocative author asked. “To make sure, I don’t know, Ivanka [Trump] and Jared [Kushner] can make money? That seems to be the main point of the presidency at this point,” Coulter responded.

“They’re about to have a country where no Republican will ever be elected president again,” she added. “Trump will just have been a joke presidency who scammed the American people, amused the populists for a while, but he’ll have no legacy whatsoever."

Coulter not entirely wrong tbh

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:15 (six years ago)

no offense everyone but there are TONS of typos on this page, let me just correct them:

Are they going to put DACA on the table? Depending on the details that might possibly be worth a few billion for wall that will be abandoned as soon as Trump disappears.

― A is for (Aimless)

Schumer's an idiot but he literally doesn't have the votes to deliver to McConnell even if he wanted to. There are not 9 Dem Senators that will vote for wall, and there's no time to negotiate some kind of other totally new deal/bill that would ostensibly flip votes.

― Οὖτις

After a GOP lunch on Friday, Republicans said that in a private meeting with senators, Trump took a hard-line but did not give a specific number on what amount of wall might satisfy him.

"I don’t believe a strong sense came out of the meeting," said Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.). “Mostly a nuclear option and shutdown is acceptable to him, would be the two takeaway points, I think. And wall matters and will be beautiful when built."


wall matters and will be beautiful when built

what song is that from ?

― (•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, December 21, 2018 3:19 PM (fifty-three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Money for wall is setting that money on fire. Is the KLF filming?

― Yerac

Yeah. Unless DACA reinstatement is in the same bill as wall and Trump must sign them together, I wouldn't accept any promise Trump makes about his future actions. He lies.

― A is for (Aimless)

the "fence" IS wall, not sure why y'all are shrugging it off, gonna have hugely negative local impacts whether it's 1.6B or 5B.

― sleeve

Trump will just lie, say this was the plan all along, and btw lots of wall is already built and now he has money to build more of it

― Οὖτις

Karl Malone, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:16 (six years ago)

His legacy will be (I hate to say it) three SC justices that will remind us of him for the next 30 years.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:16 (six years ago)

I've said all along that everyone should just tell Trump that wall is built but only the very, very most highly intelligent people can see it

― Οὖτις

Karl Malone, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:16 (six years ago)

Tell him they used the most modern technology to put the wall underground.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:17 (six years ago)

wall

Karl Malone, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:18 (six years ago)

I see wall u did there

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:18 (six years ago)

lol, sorry.

this year is the silliest, stupidest year

Karl Malone, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:18 (six years ago)

2019 promises to surpass it

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 December 2018 22:20 (six years ago)

Yeah, we're nowhere near rock bottom.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:21 (six years ago)

And right on cue, he just tweeted a picture of the proposed wall, which looks like Barron designed it 5 years ago.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:24 (six years ago)

including a closeup of the spikes on the top of it

wall is sharp

Karl Malone, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:25 (six years ago)

the better to impale moose and squirrel

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 21 December 2018 22:26 (six years ago)

no spikes, no credibility

sleeve, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:26 (six years ago)

wanna pee through wall tbh

Karl Malone, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:27 (six years ago)

the little patrol car 😂

Squeaky Fromage (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 21 December 2018 22:27 (six years ago)

wall is sharp WALL

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:27 (six years ago)

Stop illegal urination!

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:27 (six years ago)

wall, pictured below

http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2013/05/16/1226644/764356-riverton-car-crash.jpg

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 22:28 (six years ago)

http://www.walldrug.com/media/historic/wall-drug-1980s.jpg/thumb/1000/0/fill

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:29 (six years ago)

every year can be stupider

every wall can be brickier

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 21 December 2018 22:29 (six years ago)

omg how did they get the drugs in wall, wall was supposed to keep drugs out

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:29 (six years ago)

https://www.metro.us/sites/default/files/main/articles/2015/01/05/time-bandits-4_2.png

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:30 (six years ago)

http://www.retroland.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Breakout.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:33 (six years ago)

lmao this is not a joke account

A design of our Steel Slat Barrier which is totally effective while at the same time beautiful! pic.twitter.com/sGltXh0cu9

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 21, 2018

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 December 2018 22:34 (six years ago)

House conservatives are not for the .6 bn deal that Pence, Mulvaney and Kushner were pitching. Government shuts down in six hours and forty minutes.

— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) December 21, 2018

Probably not a good sign … SPOTTED: @RepCurbelo on a flight to Miami tonight.

— Jake Sherman (@JakeSherman) December 21, 2018

McCarthy says he'll give House members "ample" warning before there is a vote on funding the government.

Right now, the House will have another series to vote on flood insurance, and then members will leave.

Guys, face it, they're shutting it down.

— Matt Fuller (@MEPFuller) December 21, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 21 December 2018 22:35 (six years ago)

made a derp wall pic

https://i.imgur.com/gJY9hKj.jpg

Karl Malone, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:36 (six years ago)

I'd approve a giant spiked wall to keep out even bigger dinosaurs, but *only* to keep out dinosaurs.

Maybe Trump thinks there are dinosaurs? Didn't I see him express surprise that there were coyotes coming over the border, with the implication he thought they were actual coyotes?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:38 (six years ago)

“A nation without borders is not a nation at all,” Trump said. “Without borders, we have the reign of chaos, crime, and — believe it or not — coyotes.”

That's a real quote. From Thursday, which was a year ago, iirc.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:39 (six years ago)

don't blame me I voted for coyote

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:40 (six years ago)

If this vote stays open until at least 5:47 p.m. — it’ll be the longest Senate vote in the modern history of the chamber

— Seung Min Kim (@seungminkim) December 21, 2018

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:41 (six years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvR86EwYNGU

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:41 (six years ago)

Trump E. Coyote

Infidels, Like Dylan In The Eighties (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 21 December 2018 22:42 (six years ago)

a coyote pooped in front of our door at work a couple of weeks ago, if only there had been a wall

sleeve, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:43 (six years ago)

so, would a government shutdown mean that USPS isn't delivering presents tomorrow or monday? because trump literally ruining xmas would be a fitting end to such a cartoonishly bad year

gbx, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:43 (six years ago)

oh shit, good question!

sleeve, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:44 (six years ago)

USPS is continuing as normal. since it's only a partial shutdown some things will still remain.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/12/20/18136667/partial-government-shutdown-post-office-military-passports

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 22:46 (six years ago)

apparently they're never impacted by shutdowns

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 22:46 (six years ago)

fall of rome type shit. we're shutting down govt and possibly spending billions for a childish ridiculous solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 21 December 2018 22:47 (six years ago)

it's only 25% of the govt, and mostly means a lot of gov't employees will effectively be working without pay/losing a paycheck (temporarily), but services like the parks and post office are not affected.

xp

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:48 (six years ago)

departments affected include the IRS, some other stuff most ppl don't deal with regularly iirc

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:48 (six years ago)

departments affected include the IRS

A-HA!

Infidels, Like Dylan In The Eighties (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 21 December 2018 22:52 (six years ago)

Corker and Flake speaking on the floor now, trying to show that they too have big boy pants

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:54 (six years ago)

Corker explains that there will not be a single other vote in the Senate until there's a deal between Congressional Ds, Rs and the White House. Says if there's a shutdown, it will only be brief

— Burgess Everett (@burgessev) December 21, 2018

Ned Raggett, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:55 (six years ago)

departments affected include the IRS

A-HA!
― Infidels, Like Dylan In The Eighties (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, December 21, 2018 5:52 PM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

LOL

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 22:57 (six years ago)

Corker delusional as usual

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 22:59 (six years ago)

one must use their illusions

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 December 2018 23:04 (six years ago)

Sit on it, you imbecile. https://t.co/R4jOyjxsqv

— John Dingell (@JohnDingell) December 21, 2018

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 23:11 (six years ago)

Every time I think Brexit is the stupidest thing ever I just look over at whatever Trump is doing.

mistletoe and whine (snoball), Friday, 21 December 2018 23:15 (six years ago)

^^ truth bomb

sleeve, Friday, 21 December 2018 23:18 (six years ago)

There's no scale on that picture - maybe the SUV is a toy, meaning that the wall itself is only a foot high? Wouldn't reduce it's (complete lack of) effectiveness any.

mistletoe and whine (snoball), Friday, 21 December 2018 23:21 (six years ago)

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Senators agreed to advance a House-passed government funding bill on Friday evening as part of a last-ditch effort to make room for negotiations about how to prevent a partial shutdown that is scheduled to start at midnight.

Senators say they agreed to take up the House bill not because they have a deal on how to avert a partial shutdown but to allow talks to continue in good faith.

The Senate will not vote again on a funding bill unless it's on a bill that Democrats and the White House can agree on, senators said.

“The Senate has voted to proceed to legislation before us in order, in order to preserve maximum flexibility for productive conversations to continue between the White House and our Democratic colleagues,” Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said from the Senate floor.
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The decision came after a vote on taking up the House bill, which includes $5.7 billion for the border, was held open for hours as senators scrambled to reach a deal moving forward.

But the agreement to take up the House bill doesn’t guarantee senators will be able to craft a deal by the midnight deadline.

Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) added that the struggle for Senate Republicans to take up the House bill makes it “clear” that President Trump’s U.S.-Mexico border wall can’t get 60 votes, or even a simple majority, in the Senate.

But he added that he was willing to keep talking about how to fund approximately 25 percent of the government, including the Department of Homeland Security.

“We are willing to continue discussions on those proposals with the leader, the president, the speaker of the House and the Democratic leader of the House. All five are necessary to get something done,” Schumer said.

McConnell and Schumer’s announcement came after the chamber voted 50-50 to take up the stopgap bill, which passed the House on Thursday night. Vice President Pence broke the tie in the Senate.

The House bill will still need to overcome a 60-vote filibuster if it is to be able to clear the Senate and Democrats have said they will not support the seven-week continuing resolution (CR) with funding for the border wall.

Where the Senate goes next is unclear, with neither Schumer nor McConnell offering a path to how they get to an actual agreement or if they can reach one on Friday night.

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 23:23 (six years ago)

still can’t get over ‘i know tech better than anyone’

mookieproof, Friday, 21 December 2018 23:23 (six years ago)

The House bill will still need to overcome a 60-vote filibuster if it is to be able to clear the Senate and Democrats have said they will not support the seven-week continuing resolution (CR) with funding for the border wall.

Where the Senate goes next is unclear, with neither Schumer nor McConnell offering a path to how they get to an actual agreement or if they can reach one on Friday night.

so basically the shutdown is on and negotiations will continue while that is happening

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 23:24 (six years ago)

Funny post from Chris Hayes not long ago wherein he recounts talking to a congress person who didn't even remember the last government shutdown.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 December 2018 23:37 (six years ago)

You know what shutdown would be awesome? If the staff of Trump's resorts went on strike.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 21 December 2018 23:37 (six years ago)

he would just enslave some illegal immigrants currently in detention

Οὖτις, Friday, 21 December 2018 23:38 (six years ago)

pic.twitter.com/3rl0Gz81nr

— Rick Mylectum (@rickmylectum) December 21, 2018

(•̪●) (carne asada), Saturday, 22 December 2018 00:15 (six years ago)

how long will this last

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 22 December 2018 00:20 (six years ago)

it's hard to see either side compromising without losing face

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 22 December 2018 00:20 (six years ago)

My guess is through jan 3rd

Οὖτις, Saturday, 22 December 2018 00:25 (six years ago)

sweet

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 22 December 2018 00:26 (six years ago)

Poor boy

Breaking: The President lashed out at the Acting Attorney General for letting Federal prosecutors file charges against Cohen that made Trump look bad. https://t.co/E4mg2kLqP6

— Jim Sciutto (@jimsciutto) December 22, 2018

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 22 December 2018 01:14 (six years ago)

Man it's a shame nobody will let Trump do his job

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 22 December 2018 01:25 (six years ago)

what stands out to me is how unfairly he's being treated

Karl Malone, Saturday, 22 December 2018 01:26 (six years ago)

very very poorly

j., Saturday, 22 December 2018 01:51 (six years ago)

Did the court cases against Whittaker from a few weeks ago regarding his legitimacy actually come to court yet.
Just trying to work out if that's imminent or past. Thought he had very little credibility.
I know one was from Dems others had to do with then current cases defendants asking how they could be tried if AG not fully legit.

Stevolende, Saturday, 22 December 2018 02:09 (six years ago)

trumps border wall just looks like mueller's indictments on its side lmao pic.twitter.com/V2IlXoMkeG

— m i t h (@ManInTheHoody) December 22, 2018

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 22 December 2018 03:26 (six years ago)

Ah, of course

BREAKING: Trump has discussed firing Federal Reserve chief Jerome Powell as his frustration has intensified after this week’s interest-rate increase and months of stock-market losses.

Advisers close to Trump aren’t convinced he will try to do it, but say he wants to.

— Jennifer Jacobs (@JenniferJJacobs) December 22, 2018

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 22 December 2018 05:15 (six years ago)

He may try it, but to the best of my knowledge he doesn't have the authority to fire a Fed chairperson who was approved by the Senate and whose term hasn't expired. There might be a side door somewhere for removing him, but even then I greatly doubt it is in his sole power. There would be a statutory process he'd have to follow.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 22 December 2018 05:22 (six years ago)

Heh

A short story about the fall of conservatism— pic.twitter.com/LOswJXva8R

— Justin Amash (@justinamash) December 22, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 22 December 2018 05:27 (six years ago)

xp - All Wikipedia has to say on the question is:

The law provides for the removal of a member of the board by the president "for cause".

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 22 December 2018 05:27 (six years ago)

https://spectator.org/28276_could-gingrich-fire-bernanke/

Accordingly, the president nominates candidates for the Board of Governors, but, once approved by the Senate, the governors are granted 14-year terms that can’t be cut short by the executive branch. The chairman of the Board of Governors, also nominated by the president, is limited to four-year terms, but after he’s confirmed the president has no authority to remove him unilaterally. Furthermore, the chairman is also a member of the Board of Governors, so even if President Gingrich were to replace Bernanke when Bernanke’s term expires in 2014, Bernanke could choose to fill out the remainder of his 14-year term as a governor.

Traditionally, Fed chairs and presidents act in concert and without partisanship, and it’s believable that Bernanke would simply step down if Gingrich were elected with a mandate to fire him. But if Gingrich wanted Bernanke gone and Bernanke refused, Gingrich would be faced with two options. The first would be to initiate legal action against Bernanke. The Federal Reserve Act, in section 10.2, stipulates that a governor can only be “removed for cause,” or for some malfeasance. Removing Bernanke for cause, however, would involve proving wrongdoing of some kind, and the process would ultimately be decided by employment lawyers and the legal system, not by Gingrich alone. A spokesman for the Federal Reserve declined to specify which causes might prove grounds for removing a Fed chair, but stated that the “for cause” provision of the Federal Reserve Act is the only means by which a president could end a Fed governor’s term prematurely.

The other option available to Gingrich would be, simply, to amend the Federal Reserve Act to allow the president to fire the Fed chairman at his discretion. Indeed, Gingrich appears to have realized that this would be the best option available. Just yesterday, he hinted at such a strategy, telling a New Hampshire town hall that “if he has not resigned by the time I am sworn in, I will ask Congress to fire Ben Bernanke.” Of course, moving legislation through Congress is vastly more complicated than simply firing an underling.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 22 December 2018 05:32 (six years ago)

I forgot who Gingrich was when I was reading that excerpt and was thinking of Alan Greenspan. And I was like “who wanted Alan Greenspan for President??”

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Saturday, 22 December 2018 05:54 (six years ago)

About the same number of people who wanted Newt Gingrich, minus Chris Carter.

Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 22 December 2018 09:54 (six years ago)

it's kind of amazing how the media outlets are focusing so much on his desire to fire and less on the legality of it. CNBC said it's "unclear" if he has the authority to do so, then posted this snippet in the article:

Powell became Fed chair in just February of this year after Trump nominated him to take over for Janet Yellen. He was easily confirmed in the Senate and has a four-year term.
While the president appoints the Fed's board of governors, including the chairman, the central bank "derives its authority from the Congress, which created the System in 1913 with the enactment of the Federal Reserve Act," according to the Fed's website.

"The Board reports to and is directly accountable to the Congress but, unlike many other public agencies, it is not funded by congressional appropriations," the site says

"The President can nominate a chair but once the chair is confirmed, the president is out of it and the only way you can remove a chair from office is literally if they broke the law. Congress will have to find a cause to remove them from office through a vote and a procedure," Ellen Zentner, Morgan Stanley's chief U.S. economist, told CNBC in October.

But Trump has already broken with precedent through his repeated criticism in the second half of this year of the Fed and the chairman to the press and via Twitter, including this week before the central bank hiked rates. Other presidents privately tried to influence the Fed, but none did so in such a public and forceful matter.

What the fuck is unclear about that?

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 22 December 2018 15:43 (six years ago)

still though, I'm glad the story is being run which basically calls his bluff in the press.

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 22 December 2018 15:43 (six years ago)

WORKING HARD...ON TWEETS!

Some of the many Bills that I am signing in the Oval Office right now. Cancelled my trip on Air Force One to Florida while we wait to see if the Democrats will help us to protect America’s Southern Border! pic.twitter.com/ws6LYhKcKl

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 21, 2018

I am in the White House, working hard. News reports concerning the Shutdown and Syria are mostly FAKE. We are negotiating with the Democrats on desperately needed Border Security (Gangs, Drugs, Human Trafficking & more) but it could be a long stay. On Syria, we were originally...

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 22, 2018

Infidels, Like Dylan In The Eighties (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 22 December 2018 16:28 (six years ago)

god damn I really wish you wouldn't post those

sleeve, Saturday, 22 December 2018 16:31 (six years ago)

NOBODY CARES

sleeve, Saturday, 22 December 2018 16:31 (six years ago)

please tell me he died midsentence

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 22 December 2018 16:32 (six years ago)

the always empty desk -- with maybe a stack of prop documents -- is the best. it looks nothing like an actual, working desk.

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 22 December 2018 16:32 (six years ago)

It reminded me of this gem.

Writing my inaugural address at the Winter White House, Mar-a-Lago, three weeks ago. Looking forward to Friday. #Inauguration pic.twitter.com/S701FdTCQu

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) January 18, 2017

jaymc, Saturday, 22 December 2018 16:44 (six years ago)

is that a wax figure

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 22 December 2018 16:46 (six years ago)

The White House intends to send surrogates on television to hammer Democrats and to accuse them of wanting drugs, terror, and ‘trafficking’ pouring over the southern border.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-plan-to-win-the-shutdown-a-noun-a-verb-and-caravan

sleeve, Saturday, 22 December 2018 16:47 (six years ago)

it looks nothing like an actual, working desk.

Fitting, because he looks nothing like an actual, working president.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 22 December 2018 16:48 (six years ago)

exactly

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 22 December 2018 16:50 (six years ago)

of course we want drugs, only way to get through the next two years amirite

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 22 December 2018 16:53 (six years ago)

Good morning!

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 22 December 2018 17:00 (six years ago)

Good MOOOOOOR-niiiiing

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 22 December 2018 17:01 (six years ago)

Mr. Mattis was among the few who made clear his differences with the president. Inside the White House, several aides said that while they recognized that the situation there is fraught, they have remained quiet to maximize their own ability to help manage a destabilized situation.

pfffffffffffffffffffffffft

Others have adopted the president’s view that any bad coverage is the fault of the Democrats or the news media.

“Democrats are playing political games,” Sarah Huckabee Sanders, the White House press secretary, said on Thursday, “and they have to decide whether or not they hate the president more than they love this country.”

i hate this president more than i love this country

Karl Malone, Saturday, 22 December 2018 17:30 (six years ago)

yeah that's an easy one

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 22 December 2018 17:32 (six years ago)

Yeah, duh. My way or the highway? The highway, dude.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 22 December 2018 17:39 (six years ago)

Brett McGurk, top U.S. envoy in ISIS fight, resigns

Sanpaku, Saturday, 22 December 2018 17:54 (six years ago)

he's just jealous of how cool mr. putin thinks mr. trump is

reggie (qualmsley), Saturday, 22 December 2018 18:03 (six years ago)

lol Trump is mad weak right now . Chuck just spoke and there is no backing down by the dems in the wall funding

(•̪●) (carne asada), Saturday, 22 December 2018 18:06 (six years ago)

According to a report way upthread, Erdogan asked Trump during a phone call why US troops were still in Syria now that ISIS was defeated? Trump, being completely uninterested in the briefings that might have informed him about the situation, was completely flummoxed for an answer. So, Erdogan won the argument just because Trump is incapable of absorbing any information that can't be summed up in three simple sentences.

If knowledge is power, Trump is a wind-up toy.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 22 December 2018 18:15 (six years ago)

Dems hold all the cards here, and their leverage only gets better after Jan 3rd

Οὖτις, Saturday, 22 December 2018 18:19 (six years ago)

Something that strikes me about the border wall fight is the lack of public pressure. Walked into Capitol today and there were no protesters, no Wall supporters, etc; just a vast contrast from the Tea Party shutdown days when there'd be rallies outside for Obamacare repeal.

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) December 22, 2018



Ah, the classic negotiating tactic of [checks notes] informing the other side that they can win if they wait for a few days https://t.co/IXoSuIrVC8

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) December 22, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 22 December 2018 18:55 (six years ago)

Only MAGA chuds care about the wall now, and their idea of protesting is posting in comment sections and pledging money that they'll never have to actually cough up to the wall GoFundMe.

Infidels, Like Dylan In The Eighties (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 22 December 2018 19:20 (six years ago)

that gofundme is not a kickstarter! the money changes hands immediately!

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 22 December 2018 19:45 (six years ago)

There is a vetting process w/GoFundMe before the funds are handed over (don't ask how I know). I guess the money is held in escrow, but I'll bet dollars to donuts that money won't be collected, and if it is, I'll further wager that it ain't paying for no wall. But then chuds loved to be scammed so...

Infidels, Like Dylan In The Eighties (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 22 December 2018 20:02 (six years ago)

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/22/us/politics/trump-two-years.html

more isolated than ever

j., Saturday, 22 December 2018 20:15 (six years ago)

Again.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 22 December 2018 20:33 (six years ago)

Senate adjourned until Thursday. Merry christmas!

Οὖτις, Saturday, 22 December 2018 21:05 (six years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Mz5AEgE24o

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Saturday, 22 December 2018 21:23 (six years ago)

I feel like the nyt is just trolling us with these articles .

(•̪●) (carne asada), Saturday, 22 December 2018 21:38 (six years ago)

Lonely Trump Is The New Interviews With Red Hatters In Diners.

Infidels, Like Dylan In The Eighties (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 22 December 2018 21:47 (six years ago)

that would imply they stopped doing the diner interviews

Jeff Bathos (symsymsym), Saturday, 22 December 2018 22:31 (six years ago)

thought this was good:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/outlook/2018/12/22/terms-fighting-trumps-turf-lets-make-shutdown-last-straw/?__twitter_impression=true

basically, time to stop fighting on the idiot's terms. he no longer gets to set the agenda.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 22 December 2018 22:42 (six years ago)

Next time we have a gov shutdown, Congressional salaries should be furloughed as well.

It’s completely unacceptable that members of Congress can force a government shutdown on partisan lines & then have Congressional salaries exempt from that decision.

Have some integrity. https://t.co/BgueNNjf0f

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@Ocasio2018) December 22, 2018

sleeve, Saturday, 22 December 2018 23:02 (six years ago)

He's at it again on Twitter...

Infidels, Like Dylan In The Eighties (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 23 December 2018 02:07 (six years ago)

https://i.imgur.com/UIq7Cod.jpg

Infidels, Like Dylan In The Eighties (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 23 December 2018 02:10 (six years ago)

He's rallying the troops, who are probably busily slurping spiked eggnog and in no mood to be rallied.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 23 December 2018 02:10 (six years ago)

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/17/magazine/democrats-trump-investigation.html

At noon on Jan. 3, the 435 members of the House of Representatives of the 116th Congress will convene for the first time in the Capitol. The chaplain will offer a prayer, the clerk will lead the chamber in the Pledge of Allegiance and a roll-call vote will be held to elect Nancy Pelosi speaker of the House. Then the new speaker will grasp the gavel and swear in the representatives-elect — their right hands raised, some of them clutching Bibles or Torahs or Qurans in their left. There will be speeches and family photos and, among the Democrats, who will now be in the majority, much celebration. But before any of that happens, Representative Elijah Cummings will have sent out letters.

aw yeaaaah LETTERS

j., Sunday, 23 December 2018 02:59 (six years ago)

Favorite zings I've seen lately: 1) That 5th avenue should be renamed Barack Obama Ave. so that Trump will have to use that as his mailing address for the rest of his life and 2) the observation that Trump might be the first person to have *fewer* things named after him after becoming president.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 23 December 2018 03:32 (six years ago)

Representative Elijah Cummings will have sent out letters.

One step at a time, j. Letters requesting documents and information are the first step. The next step is sending out subpoenas.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 23 December 2018 04:20 (six years ago)

My sources in the White House describe Trump as "watching television harder than they've ever seen him do it before" and "damp to the point that, when he moves, it makes a sound like a dish sponge being squeezed."

— David Roth (@david_j_roth) December 22, 2018

Number None, Sunday, 23 December 2018 14:43 (six years ago)

hot

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Sunday, 23 December 2018 14:55 (six years ago)

damp?

Frederik B, Sunday, 23 December 2018 15:04 (six years ago)

what is "it"

"it rubs the lotion"?

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 23 December 2018 15:08 (six years ago)

Damp the torpedoes, full speed ahead!

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 23 December 2018 15:18 (six years ago)

It's it

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Sunday, 23 December 2018 15:18 (six years ago)

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DirectNegligibleHackee-max-1mb.gif

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 23 December 2018 15:20 (six years ago)

https://www.itsiticecream.com/products

YouTube_-_funy_cats.flv (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 23 December 2018 15:30 (six years ago)

So mattis out Jan 1 instead of sticking around through the month like first planned

(•̪●) (carne asada), Sunday, 23 December 2018 17:25 (six years ago)

do we have a january thread title yet because "a dish sponge being squeezed" feels right

BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Sunday, 23 December 2018 17:40 (six years ago)

Patrick Shanahan name acting defense secretary.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 23 December 2018 17:44 (six years ago)

Trump already had the resignation letter when he tweeted a few days ago praising Mattis on his departure. He either never read it or understood what a sick burn it was until foxy news people told him so. Now he is firing Mattis lol

(•̪●) (carne asada), Sunday, 23 December 2018 18:08 (six years ago)

trump's like "wait, mattis is mad about syria?!?!"

Karl Malone, Sunday, 23 December 2018 18:22 (six years ago)

Has Webster's or whoever put out their annual list of new words for 2018 yet? There should be a spot on there for aflurryofangrytweets.

clemenza, Sunday, 23 December 2018 18:22 (six years ago)

do we have a january thread title yet because "a dish sponge being squeezed" feels right

― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver

Not sure I want to think about Trump's dampness for a month.

nickn, Sunday, 23 December 2018 18:55 (six years ago)

My dubious contribution is
"SHUTDOWN FOR WALL" by Lil' D Jon T (featuring Steel Slats and Spikes)

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Sunday, 23 December 2018 20:00 (six years ago)

Amy D Sorkin’s NYer editorial was about how Trump should get primaried and now a promo for Titan Games is airing behind me in this burger restaurant so imo The Rock should primary Trump

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Monday, 24 December 2018 02:55 (six years ago)

I dread the prospect tbh

Οὖτις, Monday, 24 December 2018 04:02 (six years ago)

I dread any editorial whose byline is "Sorkin"

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 24 December 2018 04:04 (six years ago)

no relation afaict

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Monday, 24 December 2018 04:51 (six years ago)

Trump obviously not reading and/or understanding that Mattis letter until Fox broke it down for him is fucking... ugh, not remotely surprising but... yeah, Jesus Christ.

circa1916, Monday, 24 December 2018 05:13 (six years ago)

the Mattis letter was altogether too polite for Trump to understand the underlying contempt

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 24 December 2018 05:20 (six years ago)

I don’t know why he wrote it so diplomatically.

Trϵϵship, Monday, 24 December 2018 05:24 (six years ago)

Also it used written words, a blind spot for Trump.

Karl Malone, Monday, 24 December 2018 05:24 (six years ago)

It’s fucking dumb that these people refuse to actually criticize him. You can’t “respect the office” when it’s occupied by someone who has no respect for anything.

Trϵϵship, Monday, 24 December 2018 05:25 (six years ago)

Treeship sometimes superficial politeness is the most powerful own of all

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Monday, 24 December 2018 05:26 (six years ago)

Look how far it got Obama!

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Monday, 24 December 2018 07:14 (six years ago)

i am constantly owning everyone on ilx all day long

Trϵϵship, Monday, 24 December 2018 17:27 (six years ago)

oh to be a fly on the wall for this closed-doors convo

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/12/23/mulvaney-trump-now-realizes-he-cant-fire-fed-chief-jerome-powell/2403176002/

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 24 December 2018 17:28 (six years ago)

Mnunchin’s gonna get fired next

Οὖτις, Monday, 24 December 2018 17:34 (six years ago)

"don't be telling people I can't fire people!"

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 24 December 2018 17:36 (six years ago)

Worst day of trading ever for a Christmas eve

(•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 24 December 2018 17:42 (six years ago)

i hope the stock market dies

💫 (Trϵϵship), Monday, 24 December 2018 17:43 (six years ago)

i kinda like the bars around wall street though. those low-ceilinged colonial era buildings.

💫 (Trϵϵship), Monday, 24 December 2018 17:43 (six years ago)

This is awesome

I am all alone (poor me) in the White House waiting for the Democrats to come back and make a deal on desperately needed Border Security. At some point the Democrats not wanting to make a deal will cost our Country more money than the Border Wall we are all talking about. Crazy!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 24, 2018

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 24 December 2018 17:55 (six years ago)

He's become isolated

Scape: Goat-fired like a dog! (Myonga Vön Bontee), Monday, 24 December 2018 17:56 (six years ago)

Speaking of "crazy," I just came to post that "poor me" tweet. The Border Wall all the people in my head are talking about.

Hakuna Mutato (Dan Peterson), Monday, 24 December 2018 18:00 (six years ago)

this feels like the unfilmed lead up to Michael Corleone falling from his chair dead in Godfather 3

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 24 December 2018 18:14 (six years ago)

"All Alone (Poor Me) In The White House" for next thread.

Infidels, Like Dylan In The Eighties (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 24 December 2018 20:30 (six years ago)

Trump, more isolated than ever, sits alone in White House as "opinion: the walls are closing in on Trump" (C&P from Oct 2017 etc)

omar little, Monday, 24 December 2018 20:33 (six years ago)

stuck in the middle with.. hey where'd everybody go

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 25 December 2018 00:44 (six years ago)

Grisso otm

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 25 December 2018 00:50 (six years ago)

here's your thread title

Per pool, Trump to the first child who called in tonight to talk to Santa: “Are you still a believer in Santa?"

— Dafna Linzer (@DafnaLinzer) December 25, 2018

j., Tuesday, 25 December 2018 01:23 (six years ago)

This made me laugh really hard.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DvKnMzWUYAAxAuL.jpg

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 25 December 2018 02:23 (six years ago)

Stop. Hammer time.

koogs, Tuesday, 25 December 2018 08:36 (six years ago)

that's a shop, right? i saw vic berger share it, it can't be real

Bênoit Balls (stevie), Tuesday, 25 December 2018 13:23 (six years ago)

yeah, there’s no way his hands are that big

H00kup with Jaundice Singles!! (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 25 December 2018 13:37 (six years ago)

OMG the video is amazing

Donald Trump, answering phone call from 7-year-old on Christmas Eve: "Are you still a believer in Santa? Because at seven it's marginal, right?" pic.twitter.com/VHexvFSbQ1

— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) December 25, 2018

Ae$op Rocky (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 25 December 2018 13:43 (six years ago)

He looks like a Kyle Baker drawing in that photo I posted.

grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 25 December 2018 14:03 (six years ago)

"Are you still a believer in Santa? Because at seven it's marginal, right?"

For a Trumpism, this is a masterpiece.

jmm, Tuesday, 25 December 2018 14:23 (six years ago)

every day is somehow weirder!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 25 December 2018 15:45 (six years ago)

Honestly - I cannot believe he said that. I’ve believed easily many of the stupid, stupid things he saidin the past. But that “marginal” comment reads like 100% parody. My fucking god.

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 25 December 2018 15:47 (six years ago)

The guy who thinks you couldn't say Merry Christmas anymore just redpilled all under-8s.

nashwan, Tuesday, 25 December 2018 15:51 (six years ago)

if you were to write a Lifetime movie script and the bad guy were to tell a child Santa wasn't real it would be too on-the-nose

boxedjoy, Tuesday, 25 December 2018 16:09 (six years ago)

Santa is bullshit. Trump otm.

💫 (Trϵϵship), Tuesday, 25 December 2018 16:32 (six years ago)

Both sides of the Santa debate deserve to be heard.

jmm, Tuesday, 25 December 2018 16:37 (six years ago)

Teach the Santa controversy.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 25 December 2018 16:38 (six years ago)

‘at seven it’s marginal’ is honestly hilarious

mookieproof, Tuesday, 25 December 2018 16:42 (six years ago)

Maybe he's subtly encouraging American kids to believe in Ded Moroz instead.

pomenitul, Tuesday, 25 December 2018 16:44 (six years ago)

I cracked a smile, sure. Regardless of the situation, the president thinks he's a fifth-rate Catskills stand-up comedian.

Groove(box) Denied (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 25 December 2018 16:44 (six years ago)

lol treesh

k3vin k., Wednesday, 26 December 2018 06:27 (six years ago)

How do you have 5 kids of your own and yet say something like that to a 7 yr old? Oh right, by being a shitty father who never engages with your kids until they're adults and can be of service to you.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 26 December 2018 16:36 (six years ago)

"What other lies have your parents told you? That anyone can be president?"

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 December 2018 16:52 (six years ago)

People keep asking me about the nuclear launch process and the President's power to use nuclear weapons, so I put everything you need to know in this helpful chart. #NoRedButton pic.twitter.com/NQFkGAVbCX

— Derek Johnson (@derekjGZ) November 27, 2017

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 December 2018 17:32 (six years ago)

I’ve seen a lot of smart people be in denial about how unilateral process is. More democrats should be publicly getting behind that “no first use” bill.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 26 December 2018 19:43 (six years ago)

*the process is

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Wednesday, 26 December 2018 19:43 (six years ago)

News is reporting that Trump and Melania went to Iraq to visit the troops. I say bullshit; they filmed it in the same studio where they filmed the moon landing, just put up a tent and brought in some extras in camo.

grawlix (unperson), Wednesday, 26 December 2018 19:49 (six years ago)

New also reporting that Iraq is a “war zone” which will be news to the DOD and the Iraqi government.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 26 December 2018 19:51 (six years ago)

I think there are areas of western Iraq, near Syria, that could still be considered war zones. I have no idea where the Trumps' visit took place.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 26 December 2018 20:44 (six years ago)

Al Asad.

New York Times:

The place Mr. Trump chose to visit is the one theater of war where he has not promised a rapid drawdown of forces — and it is where he claims his greatest military victory, the defeat of the Islamic State in Mosul, the Iraqi city where the group’s leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi declared the beginning of its self-proclaimed caliphate. The assault on Mosul by Iraqi forces, backed by Americans, began under President Barack Obama but culminated in the summer of 2017 under Mr. Trump.

Infidels, Like Dylan In The Eighties (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 26 December 2018 20:56 (six years ago)

Presidential!

President Donald Trump and the White House communications team revealed that a U.S. Navy SEAL team was deployed to Iraq after the president secretly traveled to the region to meet with American forces serving in a combat zone for the first time since being elected to office.

...

Trump flew to Iraq late Christmas Day after facing a barrage of negative headlines over the holiday season amid a partial government shutdown. The president and first lady Melania Trump posed for pictures with U.S. service members at al-Asad air base in Iraq.

...

A pool report during Trump’s visit said the details of the trip were embargoed until the president finished giving his remarks to a group of about 100 mostly U.S. special operation troops engaged in combat operations in Iraq and Syria.

The pool report went on to say that Trump paused to take a selfie with U.S. Navy Lieutenant Commander Kyu Lee, who said he was the chaplain for SEAL Team Five, based out of Coronado, California. The chaplain said Trump told him: “Hey, in that case, let’s take a picture.”

After Trump left Iraqi airspace, the president posted a video to his Twitter account of his time spent with American forces during his visit to Iraq. Lee Greenwood’s “God Bless the USA,” plays over the video and shows the president and the first lady posing for pictures with service members that appear to be from SEAL Team Five. The special warfare operators are dressed in full battle gear and wearing night vision goggles.

The video cuts to team members shaking the president’s hand before cutting to other special operations personnel and support troops.

...

"The deployments of special operation forces, including Navy SEALs are almost classified events, as to protect those men and women that are on the front lines of every overt and covert conflict the United States is involved in,” a Defense Department official told Newsweek on condition of anonymity.

“Even during special operation demonstrations for congressional delegations or for the president or vice president, personnel either have their faces covered or their face is digitally blurred prior to a release to the general public,” the official said.

The president’s video did not blur the faces of special operation forces.

grawlix (unperson), Thursday, 27 December 2018 00:12 (six years ago)

Naturally.

Groove(box) Denied (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 27 December 2018 00:29 (six years ago)

Mark Meadows will probably say "they knew what they signed up for!"

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Thursday, 27 December 2018 00:36 (six years ago)

Is Trump an asset. Or is it a detriment.

Stevolende, Thursday, 27 December 2018 08:08 (six years ago)

Whoops!

MCCLATCHY SCOOP: Cell phone signal puts Michael Cohen in Prague area in late summer 2016, via Peter Stone & @GregGordon2 https://t.co/ysz7bbmckG

— Ben Wieder (@benbwieder) December 27, 2018

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 27 December 2018 16:15 (six years ago)

good morning!

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 27 December 2018 16:29 (six years ago)

lol is he *still* denying that meeting? what a clown

Οὖτις, Thursday, 27 December 2018 16:39 (six years ago)

Well Davis is denying it, but:

Davis, however, is no longer part of Cohen’s legal team. He acknowledged that he has not been fully briefed on what Cohen has told Mueller’s investigative staff in some 70 hours of interviews dating to last August, when Cohen pleaded guilty. Earlier this month, Mueller advised Cohen’s sentencing judge that Cohen has provided substantial assistance in four areas, including in “core” areas of the Russia inquiry. Mueller did not elaborate.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 27 December 2018 17:02 (six years ago)

countdown to Trump tweeting about this in 10, 9, 8, 7...

https://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article/The-Latest-Sheriff-says-officer-s-killer-is-in-13493719.php

Οὖτις, Thursday, 27 December 2018 20:37 (six years ago)

Also, apparently, among the millions of pages of records Mueller's has collected on Russian election interference is a "nude selfie." pic.twitter.com/E8eh3i0jxV

— Brad Heath (@bradheath) December 27, 2018

maura, Thursday, 27 December 2018 21:21 (six years ago)

countdown to Trump tweeting about this in 10, 9, 8, 7...

okay so it took him an hour and a half

Οὖτις, Thursday, 27 December 2018 22:14 (six years ago)

<sigh of relief> he tweeted about the dead cop and not the selfie.

Infidels, Like Dylan In The Eighties (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 27 December 2018 22:19 (six years ago)

is it normal for court filings to end in rhetorical questions?

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Thursday, 27 December 2018 22:21 (six years ago)

NEWS ANALYSIS

Trump Unites the Left and Right, Against His Plans in Syria and Afghanistan

yes, the pro-war, imperialist "left"

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/27/us/politics/trump-syria-afghanistan-withdraw.html

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 27 December 2018 22:24 (six years ago)

what happens when an illegal immigrant commits a crime after big beautiful wall is built

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 27 December 2018 22:44 (six years ago)

happy christmas

my second time this week being rejected from an apartment/house in dc bc i worked at fox pic.twitter.com/rybqT52A5O

— Pardes Seleh (@PardesSeleh) December 27, 2018

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 27 December 2018 23:06 (six years ago)

Seems that our correspondent there was looking at a roommate sitch not a private apartment which like yeah I wouldn’t want to share space with a republican either

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Thursday, 27 December 2018 23:21 (six years ago)

why would a conservative need to live with roommates anyway

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Thursday, 27 December 2018 23:23 (six years ago)

Wouldn't wanna share a house with people who not only actually write you back to reject you but tell you why.

nashwan, Thursday, 27 December 2018 23:26 (six years ago)

Definitely got a future with Fox with this kind of acumen
https://www.gofundme.com/help-pardes-seleh-get-an-apartment

nashwan, Thursday, 27 December 2018 23:50 (six years ago)

oh, she's a treat

me trying to fit in at a bernie rally #DNCinPHL pic.twitter.com/F09zlNiHfM

— Pardes Seleh (@PardesSeleh) July 24, 2016

louise ck (milo z), Friday, 28 December 2018 00:21 (six years ago)

1. conservative media person (cmp) sees a craigslist ad for people looking for a roommate, sees that description literally reads "We are *very liberal* and active in social justice/pro-environment/immigrant rights issues."

— Parker Molloy (@ParkerMolloy) December 28, 2018

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 28 December 2018 00:49 (six years ago)

The part that needs more emphasis here is not that she tried to trick some liberals and make them look bad, because she didn't come close to doing either of these things in real life. The real people she is trolling and abusing are her conservative audience, who she is tricking into believing in her good faith and trustworthiness, and whom she's hitting up for money on the basis of self-evident lies and distortions.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 28 December 2018 01:03 (six years ago)

Cohen is doubling down on his Prague denial - at this stage of the game, I can't see why he'd be doing this unless he was literally telling the truth. Although my brain is hurting at the concept of a trumpworld figure "literally telling the truth"

Zelda Zonk, Friday, 28 December 2018 01:05 (six years ago)

the free market extends to ideas. she needs to suck it up

maura, Friday, 28 December 2018 04:14 (six years ago)

80% of the right wing consists of grifters. its baked in. a literal con man is president fergawdsakes. they deserve the be separated from their money.

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 28 December 2018 16:21 (six years ago)

Conor Friedersdorf:

"Still, many now say that the United States would be betraying our allies if we leave. It’s reasonable to ask, given the positions of Congress, the president, and the public: Who took on that ostensible obligation on the nation’s behalf? What gave them the right to do so? What other checks are they writing? And is there anything that the public can do to stop them?"

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/12/syria-kurds/578956/

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 December 2018 16:37 (six years ago)

further:

Susan Rice, who served as a national-security adviser in Barack Obama’s administration, wrote: “The president couldn’t care less about facts, intelligence, military analysis or the national interest. He refuses to take seriously the views of his advisers, announces decisions on impulse and disregards the consequences of his actions. In abandoning the role of a responsible commander in chief, Mr. Trump today does more to undermine American national security than any foreign adversary.”

Wouldn’t it be better for a guy like that to preside over troops who are stateside with their families rather than deployed in a volatile war zone that he doesn’t understand, even as he shows a new willingness to micromanage?

The stance many foreign-policy hawks are taking is akin to granting that a reckless incompetent has temporarily taken over as on-duty surgeon and insisting that the hospital proceed with its brain operations anyway.

Now, it may be that there’s a persuasive case for staying in Syria a bit longer, until some specific, achievable, near-term goal is accomplished that improves the prospects of America’s Kurdish allies without incurring a greater risk of a world war or doing more damage to the rule of law or the democratic will or unduly endangering the lives of American troops. If so, let’s hear that plan.

Instead, most Syria hawks offer no alternative withdrawal date or evidence that the Kurds will be safer if our forces withdrew in one or five years. And there is good reason to think that part of the reason some hawks want to stay is to thwart Iran’s ambitions for the foreseeable future.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 December 2018 16:42 (six years ago)

omigod

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emJyl6UfJqo

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 December 2018 17:17 (six years ago)

well we don't have mob rule in MAGAland

at least just one mob at a time

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 December 2018 17:55 (six years ago)

beto is the candidate that (white) pr people at non-profits are excited about

macropuente (map), Friday, 28 December 2018 18:02 (six years ago)

White people love to cache Docker layers on serverless build hosts with multi-stage builds

— Patriot Snopes (@patriot_snopes) November 28, 2018

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 28 December 2018 18:17 (six years ago)

haha that's so true

j., Friday, 28 December 2018 18:26 (six years ago)

hahahahahaha I'm white and can definitely attest to that totally relatable tweet

k3vin k., Friday, 28 December 2018 18:29 (six years ago)

oh no i got zinged by nerdstrom poindexter whatever shall i do

macropuente (map), Friday, 28 December 2018 18:32 (six years ago)

I think NP is outclassing Morbius at posting non sequitur tweets from obscure internet personalities nobody cares about

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Friday, 28 December 2018 18:36 (six years ago)

wah he made fun of the “white people” trope

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 28 December 2018 18:40 (six years ago)

your entire posting history is an infinitely more tiresome trope

macropuente (map), Friday, 28 December 2018 18:49 (six years ago)

Relax guy

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 28 December 2018 18:50 (six years ago)

at first I thought you weren't gabbneb but

Οὖτις, Friday, 28 December 2018 18:51 (six years ago)

The guy who you guys remember and still talk about from 20 years ago? Okay.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 28 December 2018 18:53 (six years ago)

"whom"

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 December 2018 18:54 (six years ago)

15 years, to be precise

Οὖτις, Friday, 28 December 2018 18:56 (six years ago)

gabbneb was last seen as Moo Vaughn. btw, Nerdstrom's premiere preceded Moo's by several years.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 28 December 2018 18:58 (six years ago)

ah, right. I forgot about that.

Οὖτις, Friday, 28 December 2018 19:02 (six years ago)

Now he was banned for crossing a line w Dr Morbius, correct? I assume he’s the only one who was banned under those circumstances.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, 28 December 2018 19:04 (six years ago)

more than anything else, Moo was banned for being someone who has already been perma-banned several times, and who keeps trying to sneak back in, despite not being willing to change his ways.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 28 December 2018 19:11 (six years ago)

ilx needs a wall

H00kup with Jaundice Singles!! (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 28 December 2018 19:19 (six years ago)

I don't usually wade into this thread except as a mute witness to its wonders, but wtf is @patriotsnopes?

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 28 December 2018 19:21 (six years ago)

I assume he’s the only one who was banned under those circumstances.

more to come

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 December 2018 19:33 (six years ago)

^terrifying!

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Friday, 28 December 2018 19:38 (six years ago)

gabbneb posted paragraphs and not tweets and for that nerdstrom is an infinitely preferable variation

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Friday, 28 December 2018 19:48 (six years ago)

i mean i hate tweets too but

jolene club remix (BradNelson), Friday, 28 December 2018 19:48 (six years ago)

like this?

As a white man, I cannot in good conscience throw rotting garbage at Joe Biden and Beto O'Rourke, whose unique whiteness puts my pale, garbage throwing ass to shame. I may piss in their drinks, but only to get closer to the magic.

— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) December 27, 2018

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 December 2018 19:55 (six years ago)

I looked up Moo Vaughn’s pre-ban posts and maybe he’s ok in person but he seriously had the most repellent online persona.

JoeStork, Friday, 28 December 2018 19:59 (six years ago)

ban tweets

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 28 December 2018 20:05 (six years ago)

xpost tbf he was no better or worse than all the other gabbnebs

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Friday, 28 December 2018 20:06 (six years ago)

cant make this up

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/12/27/government-shutdown-feds-could-do-carpentry-pay-rent-agency-says/2428078002/

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 28 December 2018 20:27 (six years ago)

more than anything else, Moo was banned for being someone who has already been perma-banned several times, and who keeps trying to sneak back in, despite not being willing to change his ways.

― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 28 December 2018 19:11 (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

so like i have a question

gabbnebulous (darraghmac), Friday, 28 December 2018 20:31 (six years ago)

Huh I am surprised Nerdstrom isn’t gabbneb after all. Best wishes to you

💫 (Trϵϵship), Friday, 28 December 2018 22:48 (six years ago)

that's exactly what gabbneb would want us to think

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Friday, 28 December 2018 22:55 (six years ago)

imo, if gabbneb ever manages to sustain an account where he is so ungabbnebby as to be undetectable, he is welcome to stay

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 28 December 2018 23:01 (six years ago)

But I detected this guy as gabbneb. In any case, gabbneb should be allowed back too

💫 (Trϵϵship), Friday, 28 December 2018 23:06 (six years ago)

Release all the prisoners I say

💫 (Trϵϵship), Friday, 28 December 2018 23:07 (six years ago)

in what way do you now detect Nerdstrom as being “not gabbneb,” Treeship

sans lep (sic), Friday, 28 December 2018 23:10 (six years ago)

Someone said that nerdstrom registered before moo vaughn, and it was moo vaughn not nerdstrom that angered everyone, especially me iirc

💫 (Trϵϵship), Friday, 28 December 2018 23:12 (six years ago)

Also he says he’s not gabbneb. Gotta trust people out here on the internet.

💫 (Trϵϵship), Friday, 28 December 2018 23:13 (six years ago)

It’s what separates us from the animals iirc

Οὖτις, Friday, 28 December 2018 23:24 (six years ago)

If you're indistinguishable from gabbneb in a gabbneb turing test you might as well be gabbneb

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Friday, 28 December 2018 23:25 (six years ago)

Someone said that nerdstrom registered before moo vaughn, and it was moo vaughn not nerdstrom that angered everyone, especially me iirc

this reasoning that gabbneb never got banned and thus never had to register sock puppets seems to have a flaw or two in it

Also he says he’s not gabbneb.

ctrl+f

sans lep (sic), Friday, 28 December 2018 23:25 (six years ago)

this remake of The Usual Suspects is mediocre

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Friday, 28 December 2018 23:34 (six years ago)

cmon nerdstrom might be more centrist than the avg ilxor on this thread but he doesn’t post shit like this:

there's no reason to assume goodwill on moo's part

― WilliamC, Tuesday, April 3, 2018 6:14 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Goodwill toward whom? I don't know you or anyone else posting here.

― Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, April 3, 2018 11:25 AM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you are a total cunt

― Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, April 3, 2018 6:38 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I enjoy "cunts" on occasion so I'll accept your lower-class, sexist dismissal (to the degree a widespread term among your culture, expressive of its lower-class, sexist character) with mild amusement.

― Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, April 3, 2018 11:45 AM (eight months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

JoeStork, Friday, 28 December 2018 23:54 (six years ago)

does gabbneb fuck y/n

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Friday, 28 December 2018 23:58 (six years ago)

This is the right way for this month’s thread to climax

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 28 December 2018 23:59 (six years ago)

Hey guys, what did I miss?!

Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 29 December 2018 00:03 (six years ago)

hot sock action

Οὖτις, Saturday, 29 December 2018 00:03 (six years ago)

As it were

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Saturday, 29 December 2018 00:18 (six years ago)

I don't find that moo vaughn post offensive. I probably need mookie here to tell me if gabbneb was really that bad.

Yerac, Saturday, 29 December 2018 00:26 (six years ago)

gabbneb got banned in 2016 for taunting Morbs with "how'd you like that mass shooting this morning?" i.e., the Orlando nightclub shooting

zwei dunkel jungen (crüt), Saturday, 29 December 2018 00:30 (six years ago)

ah I see. i remember gabbneb was.is a lawyer so most of things I saw just seemed like how lawyers like to talk.

Yerac, Saturday, 29 December 2018 00:37 (six years ago)

Ok i take back my suggestion he be unbanned. That is vile. I thought it was just about him calling people plebians and stuff.

💫 (Trϵϵship), Saturday, 29 December 2018 00:44 (six years ago)

I would rather have him here than Morbius. I guess I'm alone on that score.

grawlix (unperson), Saturday, 29 December 2018 00:49 (six years ago)

i kind of thought morbs and gabbnec knew each other in real life but I could be wrong.

Yerac, Saturday, 29 December 2018 00:50 (six years ago)

I think the idea of a world where “most lawyers” tak like gabbneb—demeaning people because of class and education with this cartoon rich guy affect—is hilarious and i nominate yerac for post of the year

💫 (Trϵϵship), Saturday, 29 December 2018 00:52 (six years ago)

xxp definitely

sleeve, Saturday, 29 December 2018 00:53 (six years ago)

does gabbneb fuck y/n

― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Friday, December 28, 2018 5:58 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Heigl/Logan girl iirc

jaymc, Saturday, 29 December 2018 01:51 (six years ago)

mod chg title to ILX Politics thx

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 29 December 2018 02:24 (six years ago)

srsly tho about this question i have

gabbnebulous (darraghmac), Saturday, 29 December 2018 02:28 (six years ago)

yes?

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 29 December 2018 03:09 (six years ago)

is this a precedent we can look upon as holding generally true in the legal sense is essentially what im wondering

gabbnebulous (darraghmac), Saturday, 29 December 2018 03:11 (six years ago)

ILX has no duly constituted legislative body, no Uniform Code of Statutes that we may consult, and no body of case law defining the limits of those statutes. We have only the Flag Post mechanism, the moderators and our collective human frailty to fall back upon. This has been true for all of recorded ilx history.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 29 December 2018 03:26 (six years ago)

It’s a popularity contest that’s the problem. We need more creepy snobs for diversity.

💫 (Trϵϵship), Saturday, 29 December 2018 03:28 (six years ago)

Could you clarify the nature of this "problem"?

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 29 December 2018 03:31 (six years ago)

Ilx too pleasant

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Saturday, 29 December 2018 04:00 (six years ago)

does gabbneb fuck y/n
― I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Friday, December 28, 2018 5:58 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Heigl/Logan girl iirc

― jaymc, Friday, December 28, 2018 8:51 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

the god

k3vin k., Saturday, 29 December 2018 04:03 (six years ago)

We could spawn an "I Love Unpleasantness" board for you and those who favor more unpleasantness.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 29 December 2018 04:06 (six years ago)

lol @ kev

gbx, Saturday, 29 December 2018 04:45 (six years ago)

guys take it elsewhere thanks - it’s of no interest to anyone else

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Saturday, 29 December 2018 04:47 (six years ago)

jaymc is slipping.... gabbneb's GF posted here!

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Saturday, 29 December 2018 05:34 (six years ago)

oh i always presumed that was a sock

gabbnebulous (darraghmac), Saturday, 29 December 2018 06:11 (six years ago)

cmon nerdstrom might be more centrist than the avg ilxor on this thread but he doesn’t post shit like this:

there's no reason to assume goodwill on moo's part

― WilliamC, Tuesday, April 3, 2018 6:14 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Goodwill toward whom? I don't know you or anyone else posting here.

― Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, April 3, 2018 11:25 AM (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you are a total cunt

― Louis Jägermeister (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, April 3, 2018 6:38 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I enjoy "cunts" on occasion so I'll accept your lower-class, sexist dismissal (to the degree a widespread term among your culture, expressive of its lower-class, sexist character) with mild amusement.

― Moo Vaughn, Tuesday, April 3, 2018 11:45 AM (eight months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

― JoeStork, Friday, December 28, 2018 3:54 PM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Fuck up

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 29 December 2018 07:21 (six years ago)

Moo Vaughn is Nerdstrom

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 29 December 2018 07:22 (six years ago)

the call is coming from inside the sock

resident hack (Simon H.), Saturday, 29 December 2018 07:30 (six years ago)

jaymc is slipping.... gabbneb's GF posted here!

― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Friday, December 28, 2018 9:34 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh i always presumed that was a sock

― gabbnebulous (darraghmac), Friday, December 28, 2018 10:11 PM

lol

nickn, Saturday, 29 December 2018 07:41 (six years ago)

Wow -- things are so slow in politics that we've debated these points for 24 hours.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 29 December 2018 12:20 (six years ago)

Points?

Mark G, Saturday, 29 December 2018 13:29 (six years ago)

ok fine -- 'absurdities'

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 29 December 2018 13:45 (six years ago)

Can’t the mods tell who posters really are? With ip addresses or the little cameras on macbooks or whatever.

💫 (Trϵϵship), Saturday, 29 December 2018 14:36 (six years ago)

they have DNA evidence

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 29 December 2018 14:58 (six years ago)

we've known youre luna this whole time but have humored you, treesh

k3vin k., Saturday, 29 December 2018 15:46 (six years ago)

Trump still alone & tweeting in the White House.

Infidels, Like Dylan In The Eighties (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 29 December 2018 15:56 (six years ago)

can someone hack into Fox's feed and say Democrats want to stop people from making toast in the bathtub

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Saturday, 29 December 2018 15:57 (six years ago)

i kind of thought morbs and gabbnec knew each other in real life but I could be wrong.

I've kind of wasted my life but not to this degree

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 29 December 2018 16:05 (six years ago)

Ha! I could've sworn we have all been in the same bar at the same time, but maybe it was just the same other people.

Yerac, Saturday, 29 December 2018 17:00 (six years ago)

If you meet the gabbneb on the road, kill him.

ian, Saturday, 29 December 2018 19:21 (six years ago)

Just to put the matter to rest, if this gabbneb guy comes back, please someone let me know so I can be the one who deals w it. I’ll set him straight and you guys won’t have to be distressed about it.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Saturday, 29 December 2018 19:34 (six years ago)

Let me talk to him, is all I’m asking.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Saturday, 29 December 2018 19:40 (six years ago)

hack into Fox's feed and say Democrats want to stop people from making toast in the bathtub

underrated post

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 29 December 2018 20:26 (six years ago)

I lold

macropuente (map), Saturday, 29 December 2018 20:44 (six years ago)

vg+

Mark G, Saturday, 29 December 2018 21:50 (six years ago)

Going To Hell With Gasoline Drawers On...

Any deaths of children or others at the Border are strictly the fault of the Democrats and their pathetic immigration policies that allow people to make the long trek thinking they can enter our country illegally. They can’t. If we had a Wall, they wouldn’t even try! The two.....

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 29, 2018

...children in question were very sick before they were given over to Border Patrol. The father of the young girl said it was not their fault, he hadn’t given her water in days. Border Patrol needs the Wall and it will all end. They are working so hard & getting so little credit!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 29, 2018

Infidels, Like Dylan In The Eighties (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 29 December 2018 22:28 (six years ago)

Some lies are more heinous than others. These are beyond disgusting.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 29 December 2018 23:11 (six years ago)

The worm turns

If you’re not following Roger Stone’s Instagram, you’re missing out on some insane bitterness. pic.twitter.com/W4kqbEgyCW

— Molly Jong-Fast (@MollyJongFast) December 30, 2018

Ned Raggett, Monday, 31 December 2018 00:02 (six years ago)

too much face

Scam jam, thank you ma’am (Sparkle Motion), Monday, 31 December 2018 01:38 (six years ago)

So has Corsi flipped? This was never clear to me

Οὖτις, Monday, 31 December 2018 02:44 (six years ago)

i missed that the washington post has introduced a change to their fact checking scale. no, they didn't change it from something other than the infantile pinnochio system. instead they doubled down and added the "bottomless pinnochio" rating for a lie that has been repeated at least 20 times.

Trump’s willingness to constantly repeat false claims has posed a unique challenge to fact-checkers. Most politicians quickly drop a Four-Pinocchio claim, either out of a duty to be accurate or concern that spreading false information could be politically damaging.

Not Trump. The president keeps going long after the facts are clear, in what appears to be a deliberate effort to replace the truth with his own, far more favorable, version of it. He is not merely making gaffes or misstating things, he is purposely injecting false information into the national conversation.

To accurately reflect this phenomenon, The Washington Post Fact Checker is introducing a new category — the Bottomless Pinocchio. That dubious distinction will be awarded to politicians who repeat a false claim so many times that they are, in effect, engaging in campaigns of disinformation.

as of today, all 15 bottomless pinnochios are from donald trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/12/10/meet-bottomless-pinocchio-new-rating-false-claim-repeated-over-over-again

Karl Malone, Monday, 31 December 2018 03:21 (six years ago)

here's a 25K greg sargent tweet thread pointing out, for the billionth time, he lies on purpose

1) As Trump ends the year with a flood of lies about his wall, we need to recapture a core truth about this presidency.

Trump isn't “twisting the truth” or “stubbornly refusing to admit error.”

Trump is engaged in *disinformation.*

This is a different thing entirely.

*THREAD*

— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) December 30, 2018

Karl Malone, Monday, 31 December 2018 03:23 (six years ago)

bottomless pinnochio

I saw a porn movie called this once.

nickn, Monday, 31 December 2018 05:03 (six years ago)

must not have been very good if he was bottomless

fuck the NRA (Neanderthal), Monday, 31 December 2018 05:12 (six years ago)

another reason they should change their lie rating system mascot.

how about a pitchfork style system, decimal points, best new lie, best reissued lie. october for lies magazine is just straight up real estate listings

Karl Malone, Monday, 31 December 2018 05:20 (six years ago)

Snail Mail picks her favorite lies.

Infidels, Like Dylan In The Eighties (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 31 December 2018 05:31 (six years ago)

Federal prosecutors have requested records related to a https://twitter.com/CREWcrew/status/94610863933671424085 million loan that Deutsche Bank gave Jared Kushner’s family real estate company one month before Election Day https://t.co/l7gw4cxkFL

— Citizens for Ethics (@CREWcrew) December 27, 2017

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 31 December 2018 05:45 (six years ago)

lol ILX code is like debugging a one hour undergrad hackathon. Why comes a dollar sign in a twitter embed turns into some recursive re-render?

Should read:

Federal prosecutors have requested records related to a $285 million loan that Deutsche Bank gave Jared Kushner’s family real estate company one month before Election Day

(remember that Deutsche Bank HQ in Frankfurt was raided a month ago by digital forensic agents)

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 31 December 2018 05:51 (six years ago)

That tweet is from a year ago but the news is on a loop so really how could we even tell

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Monday, 31 December 2018 05:54 (six years ago)

There's an old saying in Tennessee... I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee... that says, fool me once, shame on... uh, shame on you. Fool me... uh... you can't get fooled again.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Monday, 31 December 2018 05:56 (six years ago)

I don't know where else to post this incredible piece about life in America.

resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 31 December 2018 06:10 (six years ago)

The wife begging her to restore her husband's fox news was fucking brutal.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 31 December 2018 06:58 (six years ago)

That is an amazing article.

So, the US Secretary of Defense, Secretary of the Interior, Ambassador to the UN, and Chief of Staff are all on their last day.

Andrew Farrell, Monday, 31 December 2018 11:46 (six years ago)

2019 is gonna be fuckin lit

H00kup with Jaundice Singles!! (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 31 December 2018 12:03 (six years ago)

good morning!

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 December 2018 12:23 (six years ago)

good riddance, 2018!

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 31 December 2018 12:33 (six years ago)

So, the US Secretary of Defense, Secretary of the Interior, Ambassador to the UN, and Chief of Staff are all on their last day.


2019 is gonna be fuckin lit


lit like a fyre festival, the “let’s just do it & be legends” of a government is upon us

sans lep (sic), Monday, 31 December 2018 13:33 (six years ago)

otm

H00kup with Jaundice Singles!! (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 31 December 2018 13:33 (six years ago)

Warren's War On The Moron Is More On

nashwan, Monday, 31 December 2018 14:18 (six years ago)

presidential harassment!

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 31 December 2018 14:20 (six years ago)

I don't know where else to post this incredible piece🕸 about life in America.


Followed the author on Twitter for some time now; great to see her getting attention for this new piece.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 31 December 2018 14:56 (six years ago)

XP Grab 'Em By The #SchumerShutdown

Infidels, Like Dylan In The Eighties (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 31 December 2018 15:02 (six years ago)

Year-end gripe: I am so sick of hearing Trump apologists talk about how we have "the lowest African-American and Hispanic unemployment rates in history." It's creepy. I know that the talking point is supposed to signal "See, we ARE good for them even if they always vote for Democrats." But what it really signals is, "See, we got their lazy asses to work." And a bunch of other weird coded racist stuff.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 31 December 2018 15:09 (six years ago)

they arbeit so hard they done got macht frei!

Dan I., Monday, 31 December 2018 16:28 (six years ago)

No they are just super concerned about the plight of minorities in US, I don't know how once could ascribe an ulterior motive there

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 31 December 2018 16:29 (six years ago)

Hmm

Interesting. Government just filed a joint status report under seal for Sam Patten, a Manafort/Kilimnik associate who pleaded guilty in August to failing to register as a foreign agent and admitted to steering foreign funds to Trump's inaugural. He's been cooperating ever since. pic.twitter.com/pgedX5KtcE

— Natasha Bertrand (@NatashaBertrand) December 31, 2018

Ned Raggett, Monday, 31 December 2018 16:59 (six years ago)

SHE’S RUNNING

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbH0RU4GcVo

an erotic picnic with Ming (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 31 December 2018 17:18 (six years ago)

Squad, assume circular formation and commence firing!

Rhine Jive Click Bait (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 31 December 2018 17:52 (six years ago)

good. she'd be a good president.

💫 (Trϵϵship), Monday, 31 December 2018 17:52 (six years ago)

my thinking since early 2017 was that the 2020 Dem ticket would be Biden/Warren but i guess Beto/Harris is the new fashionable bet

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 31 December 2018 18:12 (six years ago)

good luck usa

an erotic picnic with Ming (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 31 December 2018 18:13 (six years ago)

i mean biden would be 82 at the end of his first term but maybe that's an actual selling point for the right

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 31 December 2018 18:14 (six years ago)

I don’t think either of those are more likely than Harris/A White Man

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Monday, 31 December 2018 18:14 (six years ago)

i have a hard time believing the dems are going to double down on a female nominee in the face of a second term of Trump
but of course, I (and everyone else) don't know anything about anything in this brave new world and every assumption that was bedrock crumbles in unexpected new ways virtually every day
happy new year

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 31 December 2018 18:23 (six years ago)

If Biden runs, he'll crash and burn after the first wave of primaries, like he always does. He's the only person who wants him to be president. Well, except for journalists, and they only want him because he's fun to hang around with, so fuck what they think.

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 31 December 2018 18:25 (six years ago)

i'd happily vote for professor warren, just like i did hillary. but they'd crooked-hillarize witch hunt the shit out of "pocahontas" in a way that would give "conservatives" cover for voting donnie 'lesser of two evils' moscow

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 31 December 2018 18:27 (six years ago)

men should be banned from running for president

21st savagery fox (m bison), Monday, 31 December 2018 18:28 (six years ago)

worth a shot tbh

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 31 December 2018 18:28 (six years ago)

The right wing noise machine doesn’t have the decades of history poisoning the well for Warren or Harris or Gillebrand or whomever like they did for HRC. Her negatives weren’t the result of two years of campaigning.

I have measured out my life in coffee shop loyalty cards (silby), Monday, 31 December 2018 18:30 (six years ago)

but they'd crooked-hillarize witch hunt the shit out of "pocahontas" in a way that would give "conservatives" cover for voting donnie 'lesser of two evils' moscow

they'd do this to anyone. warren has one of the cleanest records, seemingly.

she is a completely different kind of figure than hillary, who had been around for like 20 years and for that entire time had been one of the leading devils in the conservative fever dream.

💫 (Trϵϵship), Monday, 31 December 2018 18:32 (six years ago)

or silby otm

💫 (Trϵϵship), Monday, 31 December 2018 18:32 (six years ago)

i predict warren carries all 50 states in the general

💫 (Trϵϵship), Monday, 31 December 2018 18:33 (six years ago)

men should be banned from running for president


Tan, rested and ready! Palin in ‘20

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 31 December 2018 19:11 (six years ago)

rogermexico should be banned from this thread

21st savagery fox (m bison), Monday, 31 December 2018 19:47 (six years ago)

favorite deleted presidential tweet of the day. l=e=a=d=e=r=s=h=i=p

realDonaldTrump: I'm in the Oval Office. Democrats, come back from vacation now and give us the votes necessary for Border Security, including the Wall. You voted yes in 2006 and 3013. One more yes, but with me in office, I'll get it built, and Fast!

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 31 December 2018 20:03 (six years ago)

it's the year 3030, and here at the corporate institutional bank of time

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 31 December 2018 20:04 (six years ago)

deltrump 3030

21st savagery fox (m bison), Monday, 31 December 2018 20:06 (six years ago)

People will be shocked how quickly and easily Warren effectively becomes the new Hillary in terms of being a reviled figure but ultimately she could still carry it. A slightly less unpopular figure could have won in 2016

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 31 December 2018 20:07 (six years ago)

We Americans have a talent for making women unpopular quickly.

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 31 December 2018 20:08 (six years ago)

http://i63.tinypic.com/1570zy8.png

((O))_____((O)) (esby), Monday, 31 December 2018 20:12 (six years ago)

100th anniversary of women 'earning' the right to vote in the US of A. don't blow this, democrats!

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 31 December 2018 20:15 (six years ago)

she ain't running on bipartisanship and is actually naming specific issues so whatever, she's got my support

frogbs, Monday, 31 December 2018 20:18 (six years ago)

i don't think the candidate needs to be a woman. however, if liberals back away from a candidate like warren because they are afraid of how easily she could be demonized by sexists, then they are making a decision based on cowardice.

💫 (Trϵϵship), Monday, 31 December 2018 20:19 (six years ago)

you can't let these people define what an acceptable persona is for a presidential candidate. it's enough.

💫 (Trϵϵship), Monday, 31 December 2018 20:19 (six years ago)

Kerry is a completely different kind of figure than Gore, who had been around for like 10 years and for that entire time had been one of the leading devils in the conservative fever dream.

sovereignty flight, Monday, 31 December 2018 20:27 (six years ago)

Next year will be the 45th anniversary of US women being allowed credit cards and mortgages on their own. Let's not go asking for too much too fast, ya'll.

Yerac, Monday, 31 December 2018 20:28 (six years ago)

Agreed but I’m sympathetic to that nervousness since no one really knows how much of it is a liability plus (though anecdotal) I’ve heard from a couple of women who just would rather not have to deal w it in that discourse of a presidential race again.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 31 December 2018 20:29 (six years ago)

Xpost Treesh’s post

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 31 December 2018 20:29 (six years ago)

thing is, warren has a claim to being the most qualified candidate in the race plus she is a popular senator in her state

💫 (Trϵϵship), Monday, 31 December 2018 20:40 (six years ago)

being 'qualified' means nothing now, if it ever did

mookieproof, Monday, 31 December 2018 20:42 (six years ago)

Being a truly post Obama figure helps too compared to the optics of running the person he beat.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 31 December 2018 20:42 (six years ago)

i don't see her as being at all similar to hillary or john kerry

💫 (Trϵϵship), Monday, 31 December 2018 20:44 (six years ago)

hate to be that guy but there's a whole thread for this

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 31 December 2018 20:45 (six years ago)

There was some skepticism over “qualified” having objective value in 2016 that has since been field tested

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 31 December 2018 20:47 (six years ago)

rogermexico should be banned from this thread


go on...

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Monday, 31 December 2018 21:04 (six years ago)

if liberals back away from a candidate like warren because they are afraid of how easily she could be demonized by sexists, then they are making a decision based on cowardice.

Absolutely! Cowardice is a large part of the contemporary Dem brand!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 31 December 2018 21:18 (six years ago)

I would LOVE to be proven wrong about that though! I would pour champagne!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 31 December 2018 21:19 (six years ago)

cowardice is the american brand.

Yerac, Monday, 31 December 2018 21:33 (six years ago)

it shouldn't be though. she should run and do it her way without listening to the focus-group types.

💫 (Trϵϵship), Monday, 31 December 2018 21:40 (six years ago)

An interesting Twitter thread (which will apparently be deleted tomorrow, so read now):

1. I would just add one thing to this very good thread. (Check out Greg's book!) The question regularly comes up: how conscious is this on Trump's part? To what extent is it a strategy, something he is choosing? Is he trying to deceive us or has he just deceived himself? https://t.co/oVAznNr55o

— David Roberts (@drvox) December 30, 2018

grawlix (unperson), Monday, 31 December 2018 21:46 (six years ago)

Yes, thread is good. We the people need to own the fact that we let this happen.

Loggins and Rogers and G are...K3NNY (Old Lunch), Monday, 31 December 2018 22:08 (six years ago)

if there’s one thing america is good at, it’s honest self-reflection about national shortcomings and taking rational action to address those issues

an erotic picnic with Ming (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 31 December 2018 22:21 (six years ago)

There should be a national conversation about it. Preferably taking place entirely on social media.

Karl Malone, Monday, 31 December 2018 22:24 (six years ago)

We the people need to own the fact that we let this happen.

to repeat myself: having never watched presidential debates before, and watching every 2016 one live, I felt the bottom drop out of reality when there were "moderators" who just allowed him to spew nonsense and bullshit unchecked, not to mention float about the stage like a predatory, narcissistic balloon when the camera wasn't on him.

Jeremy Paxman should moderate all 2020 debates, with Daniel Dale in his earpiece.

sans lep (sic), Monday, 31 December 2018 22:30 (six years ago)

Scare quotes very appropriately employed.

Loggins and Rogers and G are...K3NNY (Old Lunch), Monday, 31 December 2018 22:35 (six years ago)

whoever the democratic candidate is should refuse to debate him unless some new, real-time fact-checking procedure is installed. not because i think it will make a difference to trump supporters, just because there is no real reason to repeat the farce of the 2016 debates.

💫 (Trϵϵship), Monday, 31 December 2018 22:38 (six years ago)

he isn't actually debating

💫 (Trϵϵship), Monday, 31 December 2018 22:38 (six years ago)

I actually agree. There is nothing to be gained in pretending to debate him. Refusing to acknowledge him at all is probably the best strategy a dem candidate could take.

Loggins and Rogers and G are...K3NNY (Old Lunch), Monday, 31 December 2018 22:41 (six years ago)

debates are largely pointless anyway and they're always riddled with inaccuracies and spin, but there was something really degrading about that st. louis experience, not just to hillary but to the nation

💫 (Trϵϵship), Monday, 31 December 2018 22:49 (six years ago)

sometimes i think presidential debates were always a bad idea

think where our country might be today if reagan hadn't impressed a lot of television viewers by saying "there you go again!"

(The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 31 December 2018 22:53 (six years ago)

idk I imagine refusing to debate him outright backfiring pretty badly. better to just use the debates as an opportunity to present your case and just engage w/ him as little as possible imho

resident hack (Simon H.), Monday, 31 December 2018 22:58 (six years ago)

Well if he's not going to debate anyway, the dem could just do their best to "fact check" (AKA prepared responses to any of his greatest hits) in real time and jim face at the camera. Maybe put on a lab coat and refer to him as "the subject" throughout.

Evan, Monday, 31 December 2018 23:03 (six years ago)

I love y’all but refusing to debate would be the worst decision of all time

Karl Malone, Monday, 31 December 2018 23:04 (six years ago)

evan's idea is realistic

💫 (Trϵϵship), Monday, 31 December 2018 23:05 (six years ago)

I felt the bottom drop out of reality when there were "moderators" who just allowed him to spew nonsense and bullshit unchecked, not to mention float about the stage like a predatory, narcissistic balloon when the camera wasn't on him.

this was pretty bad but tbh I thought the way they handled the Republican debates was worse, giving Trump 3x the time of anyone else, pausing for applause after all his dumb zingers, and then airing them nonstop as a means to get people to watch the next one

frogbs, Monday, 31 December 2018 23:15 (six years ago)

luckily I didn't have to deal with that, but after a year in America I can aver that television news here overall is absolutely and completely shitfucked

sans lep (sic), Monday, 31 December 2018 23:45 (six years ago)

I felt the bottom drop out of reality when there were "moderators" who just allowed him to spew nonsense and bullshit unchecked, not to mention float about the stage like a predatory, narcissistic balloon when the camera wasn't on him.

welcome to every corporate meeting as a non-white man ever. welcome, welcome, and welcome. This is an everyday reality that we made.

Yerac, Monday, 31 December 2018 23:54 (six years ago)

imo the only reason debates feel important is that they are literally the only time during an american presidential campaign that a significant chunk of people sit down to listen to "the issues" being discussed outside their own personal facebook bubbles. if our fourth estate functioned properly they would feel much less essential - just another podium on which to bloviate

illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 01:30 (six years ago)

hai americans, just checking in from the future here... not even going to tell you who is president now or how bad climate change has got cause u'll think i'm doing some extremely heavy handed satire, but y'all enjoy new year

Master Humphrey's Cock (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 01:45 (six years ago)

Good morning!

Your sweetie-pie-coo-coo I love ya (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 02:16 (six years ago)

idk I imagine refusing to debate him outright backfiring pretty badly.

I think a blunt description of why it is impossible to "debate" Trump would resonate with a lot of voters who aren't guaranteed Trump devotees. To wit...

"I won't debate him, because, face it, our president lies. A lot. And when he doesn't lie he exaggerates. And when he isn't lying or exaggerating, he raises red herrings and then he lies or exaggerates some more. Listen, the only way properly 'debate' Trump is to completely ignore whatever he says. But it's way simpler to do that by not debating him at all, because a 'debate' just gives him gives him a big, free stage for his lying antics, but doesn't gain me anything in return. I refuse to do it. With Trump it's just stupid to even attempt it. Now, got it? Good. Because that's my answer every time you ask me about 'debates'."

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 04:45 (six years ago)

Wait, do people think he won the debates against Hillary?

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 1 January 2019 05:47 (six years ago)

People seemed to think it at the time.
Won debates, beat her, handed her her relevant body part.
But it seemed to be on a more emotive level than factual. People still sit through his rallies for enjoyment despite all the lies.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 1 January 2019 05:54 (six years ago)

Pretty sure you can find people who think just about anything.

sans lep (sic), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 07:15 (six years ago)

"I won't debate him, because, face it, our president lies. A lot. And when he doesn't lie he exaggerates. And when he isn't lying or exaggerating, he raises red herrings and then he lies or exaggerates some more. Listen, the only way properly 'debate' Trump is to completely ignore whatever he says. But it's way simpler to do that by not debating him at all, because a 'debate' just gives him gives him a big, free stage for his lying antics, but doesn't gain me anything in return. I refuse to do it. With Trump it's just stupid to even attempt it. Now, got it? Good. Because that's my answer every time you ask me about 'debates'."

you're dreaming if you think this doesn't read like one long chickenshit waffle. (I'm not saying it's incorrect.)

resident hack (Simon H.), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 08:04 (six years ago)

Wait, do people think he won the debates against Hillary?

― Nerdstrom Poindexter,

Depends what you measure it in? If you measure it in 'did enough in them to secure an election victory" then yes

anvil, Tuesday, 1 January 2019 08:16 (six years ago)

If you have to 'debate' Trump, you use the opportunity to just lay out your platform without ever directly acknowledging him or anything he says. Don't refute, don't respond, don't react. He doesn't fucking exist. Steamroll over every dumb fucking phoneme that burbles from his face anus and make yourself the adult in the room.

The Mandal Brah Set (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 09:01 (six years ago)

Every poll showed Hilary winning the debates, iirc?

Frederik B, Tuesday, 1 January 2019 09:22 (six years ago)

Yes of course Trump people thought Trump won the debates. That’s not a thing I doubted.

Remembering that Kerry kind of made Bush look stupid in 3 debates. Feeling like 16 was a similar thing and it didn’t really matter

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 1 January 2019 09:24 (six years ago)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/ahead-times-square-ball-drop-u-s-strategic-command-jokes-n953416

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 12:43 (six years ago)

If you have to 'debate' Trump, you use the opportunity to just lay out your platform without ever directly acknowledging him or anything

Absolutely! Make use of all airtime to lay out your platform and not get into nonsense

anvil, Tuesday, 1 January 2019 13:09 (six years ago)

Every poll showed Hilary winning the debates, iirc?

― Frederik B,

All except the big one!

anvil, Tuesday, 1 January 2019 13:09 (six years ago)

US Politics January 2019: we are #ready to drop something much, much bigger

zwei dunkel jungen (crüt), Tuesday, 1 January 2019 13:17 (six years ago)


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