Oscars 2019

Oscar VFX finalists:

Ant-Man and the Wasp
Aquaman
Avengers: Infinity War
Black Panther
Bumblebee
Christopher Robin
Fantastic Beasts: The Crimes of Grindelwald
First Man
Incredibles 2
Isle of Dog
Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom
Mary Poppins Returns
Mission: Impossible – Fallout
Mortal Engines
The Nutcracker and the Four Realms
Paddington 2
A Quiet Place
Ready Player One
Solo: A Star Wars Story
Welcome to Marwen

― I Never Promised You A Hose Harden (Eric H.), Wednesday, December 5, 2018 7:33 PM

To save Eric from himself. (These aren't finalists. Nominees are finalists.)

oh, Kevin Hart is hosting?

not anymore https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/06/arts/kevin-hart-homophobic-tweets.html

what a time to be alive

disney, wb, disney, disney, paramount, disney, wb, universal, disney, fox, universal, disney, paramount, universal, disney, wb, paramount, wb, disney, universal

disney keeping those animators of lousy cg employed. no sony.

Cher or gtfo

The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy. Martin Luther King, Jr.

— Kevin Hart (@KevinHart4real) December 7, 2018

at least three of those vfx oscars noms aren't released yet afaict - does that usually happen?

don't think oscar noms usually happen before the end of the year

not gonna lie, it would kinda rule if bumblebee won an oscar

tbqh i think ive seen ~5 minutes of Mr Hart's work, and he may not be remotely funny

that is the shortlist from which 3-5 (?) VFX nominations will be drawn

the relevant branch has presumably seen all the year-end films before the unwashed masses do

Kevin Hart is not funny in the slightest, he’s fucking terrible. Glad he’s not hosting for that reason alone.

Haddish or bust

yeah she'd probably be pretty good. so would someone like John Mulaney although maybe he's too weird.

Haddish and Maya Rudolph.

no one wants to host the Oscars because it's a shit job, everyone either gets mad at you or says nothing if you did OK, it's a ton of work and clearly being the host is like running for President (or, does anyone at the Academy use Google?)

Dwayne Johnson seems like the obvious pick, he'd be a good host, but I'm sure they courted him months ago.

also he is in every movie now

consistently good too, he made Rampage bearable

Central Intelligence is really good, him and Hart work well together

A Billy Crystal-style montage but with Dwayne Johnson

no one should host the Oscars. shit, just cancel the whole thing

Mulaney or Haddish are best-case scenarios I think

yeah they should just go with no host, helps with that fucking running time "problem"

mulaney unfortunately very not funny

you are insane

maybe they should hire a non-comedian. Like some dour downer to host the entire thing without jokes. Noam Chomsky.

Mueller obv

Morbz

Žižek has been auditioning for this for well over a decade.

Morbz could complain about Apatow and Hillary the entire time

all the bits are always terrible and they take up time, it's wild that they're going to cut some of the actual awards instead of shit like the tour bus being surreptitiously led to the front of the Kodak

I'd second Mulaney, who made the best stand-up special that I saw this year, but a little too alt.comedy for the Oscars (while not at all the same thing, I'm thinking they learned their lesson with Seth MacFarlane).

Dwayne Johnson would be bearable.

lol Žižek

Kroll & Mulaney

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w2TBJd1Wvo

that shit is fucking hysterical. the oscars would never let them do that.

Heidecker/Turkington doing their On Cinema bit

jordan peterson or gtfo

heidecker/turkington hosting the oscars would be the cultural pinnacle of the united states of america

ok that I would watch

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2018/dec/11/oscars-consider-having-no-host-after-kevin-hart-quits

how about no ceremony too lol

i thought that kroll/mulaney was dreadful

agree

a grizzled Letterman wdn't fly after MeToo

bring back Franco then

I hear the oscars are struggling to find a host that can save the show so plz allow me to make a Humble Suggestion pic.twitter.com/6jXMpBLn3c

— KT NELSON (@KrangTNelson) December 11, 2018

shortlists for shorts, documentary, foreign language film, makeup, song, score: https://www.oscars.org/oscars/91st-oscars-shortlists

here's foreign language film:
Colombia, “Birds of Passage”
Denmark, “The Guilty”
Germany, “Never Look Away”
Japan, “Shoplifters”
Kazakhstan, “Ayka”
Lebanon, “Capernaum”
Mexico, “Roma”
Poland, “Cold War”
South Korea, “Burning”

isn't the absence of the Aretha doc Amazing Grace an upset? even given their fickle whims?

hoping the Coup make it in if only for the performance

no Mandy or Hereditary in the score shortlist is criminal

no best doc nomination for They Shall Not Grow Old ?
that is insane.

That is one of the stronger fields of Foreign Language Films in a long time. Cold War, Burning, Roma and Shoplifters should all be nominated, hope The Guilty can get the final one.

wait was Transit not Germany's submission? madness.

of course they were powerless to resist Teen Choice Awards nominee Florian Henckel von Donnersmarck

Transit didn't really have a chance for a nomination, though?

Technically Poland should have nominated 'Mug' and Mexico should have nominated 'Museo', but... That's not how it works.

Petzold was a previous submission for "Barbara" so it's not really an out-there choice

anyway none of this matters because it's Roma fever all the time forever for some goddamn reason

Maybe Transit isn’t eligible until next year?

They submitted him before for a more populist work, and it didn't get nominated. While von Donnersmarck has won before. I get their reasoning, and it seems to have worked. Petzold will have to console himself with having made a freaking great film.

Also, Roman wins Best Film, Cold War wins Best Foreign Language?

Nah, I'm sure it's still A Star is Born and Cuaron wins Best Director and Foreign Language.

Yeah, the combination of Green Book and Vice underwhelming + the likelihood of Bohemian Rhapsody being in the BP line-up making A Star is Born look better in comparison = that dumb movie winning, marking the worst BP since, what, The Artist?

Birdman, surely. It can't possibly be worse than Birdman?

Vice isn't playing widely yet -- the embargo lifted yesterday -- and it's just getting notices, so don't discount its box office. I forget that The Big Short made over a $100 million.

ASIB >>>>>>> The Artist >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Birdman

I can imagine GDT's evangelism getting Roma all the way tbh

i think "worst winner since The Shape of Water" is damning enough

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Crash

Yeah, what was I thinking. The Artist, Argo, Birdman, The Shape of Water and The King's Speech are all equally as awful as A Star is Born. Which, to be clear, is awful.

They just gave it to a good movie so they've filled their quota for the decade

Moonlight is a once-ever-25-years kind of thing.

The King's Speech and A Star is Born are C movies, mundanities. We have to be like Minos in Inferno, wrapping our tails around our bodies judging which circle in hell to cast these movies.

Argo wasn't terribly offensive, by virtue of not trying to be terribly important, unlike most of the rest of those

the shape of water was good. burn the rest

Argo made the CIA heroic and Ben Affleck into a Serious Director. That's important.

yeah i bet the hostages loved that shit

Jimmy Carter was all "lol, that didnt happen"

what 1969-relevant elders can they get to present Best Picture? Hoffman and Voight are kinda pariahs... Redford and Katharine Ross?

Birdman soundtrack was smoking.

XP Peter Fonda & Jack

...riding onstage on a chopper.

Argo is by far the worst of the movies in that list you are crazy

does Nicholson still go out? haven't seen him since that last Jim Brooks movie.

He was gonna be in the Toni Erdmann remake.

not if there's a god

the likelihood of Bohemian Rhapsody being in the BP line-up

wait...waht

There were only 3 maybe 4 non-franchise hits this whole year. You better believe the Oscars are going to try to jam as many as possible in the top category.

Bohemian and Crazy Rich Asians could complete their transformation into the People's Choice Awards.

Or undo their transformation into the Indie Spirit Awards.

Full list of eligible films: https://www.oscars.org/sites/oscars/files/91st_reminder_list.pdf

the Venom campaign starts now

really was hoping for some Welles action, but then again no eligibility for the Fassbinder miniseries

d'souza robbed

Robin Hood is eligible. 24 Frames is not.

Glad to see Madeline's Madeline still in the running. Fingers crossed!

not too late for Zamarama

Or for 12 Strong Bing Bong

lol, there is still no host?

Apparently they couldn't find anyone else and are now begging Kevin Hart to reconsider?

Given this will clearly be the last Oscars ever, what a way to go out.

what, is sea level rise affecting California too?

Oscar will be exposed as a serial flasher

so 'no host' is the plan, it seems

https://variety.com/2019/film/news/oscars-no-host-2019-kevin-hart-1203103010/

Good idea tbh, if only because it might tighten things up

they had 'rotating hosts' one year, don't think it went over that well

Apparently they did it all the time in the '70s.

i didn't watch til '76, but earlier in the decade, yeah probably.

then Carson did it for awhile when Bob Hope got too old.

Maybe the one your thinking of was the Gandhi ceremony that had Liza Minnelli, Dudley Moore, Richard Pryor, and Walter Matthau?

sounds like it! i thought Chevy Chase was involved in one. I remember him starting with "Good evening, Hollywood phonies."

Liza as host THIS year would be unimaginably entertaining. Or, just unimaginable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Academy_Awards_ceremonies

Chevy did the Last Emperor one.

man, Chevy hosted solo in '88! I definitely don't recall that. xp

also, Whoopi Goldberg's ran over FOUR hours. And seemed longer.

Those ceremonies had a talent for length, like Prince.

The Chevy-Goldie-Paul Hogan one I was thinking of. Def didn't realize Robert Shaw parlayed playing Captain Quint into a co-hosting role.

That's a crazy ratings drop from 2014 to 2018.

One that I think you can find across the board with network TV shows.

Although, maybe not ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Bowl_television_ratings

they really couldn't find a funny hollywood-adjacent person to host the show? very weird.

as someone pointed out, Jim Carrey was by far the funniest person on the GGs

too unpredictable though, and more a TV guy now

after his run as an ensemble player on a TV show c. 1990-93, he did 27 movies, then did one TV lead in 2018. not sure he's fully outweighed the last 25 years by doing a show that 166,000 people watched.

Green Book has gone, in three days, from recrudescent Oscar frontrunner to the movie written by the guy who tweeted at Trump about personally witnessing Muslims dancing in the street on 9/11, directed by the guy fond of flashing his penis to co-workers as a "joke." I'm fully entertained.

This is the Trump era where everything up is down, so its momentum might be unstoppable now.

directed by the man who made Bill Murray's hair a wonder in Kingpin.

carrey is mainly a twitter guy now

between the announcers and the different presenters for every award, all the oscar host gets to do is waste time.

i thought glenn close was overdoing it at the GGs, but i looked it up and she's never won a movie globe or an oscar before.

between the announcers and the different presenters for every award, all the oscar host gets to do is waste time

absolutely, if this had actually been planned and written on purpose, it would be a great idea

have missed any and all recent Green Book eruptions

however, since I am banned from Jeffrey Wells' site, plz feel free to engage him

http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2019/01/green-skeleton/

Hosts seemed to have had the shit kicked out of them online by everyone so you can see why it’s a poisoned chalice. Ellen was by far the best this last 10 years or so, does she not want it this time? Haven’t been keeping up with all the hoo-ha.

The only ones I've truly liked in the last 25 years have been Steve Martin and Whoopi (just the first time)

https://www.vulture.com/2019/01/the-oscars-green-book-and-bohemian-rhapsody-controversy.html

Though the answer to "How Green Book and Bohemian Rhapsody Became This Year’s Oscar Villains" is "they won the top two Golden Globes."

Here is who I would like to see host The 2019 Oscars Awards:

Whoopy Goldburg, Marky Mark Wallburg, Steve Guttenburg, Steve Carrel, Michael J. Fox, Cardi B, Michael B. Jordan, regular Michael Jordan, Kate Micucci and Aubrey Plaza, John Cho and Kal Penn, Cindy Williams and Hologram Penny Marshall, Hologram Penny Marshall and Hologram Jerry Van Dyke, John Stewart and Steven Colbert and an otter, just an otter by itself, Gabriel Iglesias, Elle Fanning, Steve Aoki, chainsmoking Sean Penn connected to an I.V. that is never acknowledged or explained, Willow Smith carrying Jada Pinkett Smith on his shoulders, Hologram Patricia Schneider (ex-wife of Rob Schneider), a roomba with an otter on it, Drake and Judy Dench, Billy Bush and Fellicia Rashad, Zöe Kravitz, Billy Crystel, Martin Shorts, Will Shortz and Lulu Garcia-Navarro, Lisa Desjardin and Yamiche Alcindor, Manuel Lin-Maranda, Amy Schumer riding inside of a comically large roomba, Charles Barkley, Kirk Douglas, Patti LeBelle, Skrillax, Ta-Nehisi Coates, Dwight Yoackam, Lizz Winstead, Ron Funchs, Peter O'Toole, Paula Poundstone, Jair Bolsonaro, Seth Myers.

skrillax ftw

if vulture's right in its predictions, these are gonna be the least interesting possible noms from a great year in film

https://www.vulture.com/2019/01/oscars-2019-predictions-who-will-be-nominated.html

At least they, unlike me, think Vice is getting snubbed for the big one.

Here we go. God rest our souls.

if Hawke and Schrader are dissed I can skip the show w/ enthusiasm

Did anyone predict Roma for supporting actress? If so, bravo

Nope.

Morbs, you can get enthused. Schrader did get in, though.

Fat Viggo and Fat Bale over Hawke is pretty bad.

Hawke not being nominated invalidates the entire thing for me.

Richard E Grant! Can You Ever Forgive Me? totally passed me by, anyone seen it?

Hasn't been released in the UK yet

Good for Driver, Schrader and the Coens (sneaking in to the Adapted Screenplay category on a technicality), though. Also, "When a Cowboy Trades His Spurs For Wings" for Best Song made me smile (though I prefer "Surly Joe").

xp ah that explains it.

First Reformed getting its only nomination in one of its least deserving categories is classic Oscars.

Still, Spike Lee gets his first directing nomination and for a brief moment, I'm fine saying that's all that matters in the Oscar world.

'Best Director' never makes any sense; some years the actual Best Film doesn't even get a Best Director nom, i still don't know how the F that works.

Bright spots:
- Lee gets director
- 2 foreign films in director/cinematography
- HALE CO. in doc feature!
- Terence Blanchard in score
- foreign slate is about as good as it gets, given this is the Oscars

Toughest to swallow:
- Hawke/Washington both axed
- Vice gets all the key nods it needs to win
- First Man not in score

'Best Director' never makes any sense; some years the actual Best Film doesn't even get a Best Director nom, i still don't know how the F that works.

― piscesx, Tuesday, January 22, 2019 9:01 AM

nah, it's easy: for the Academy, you can make one of the year's five to ten best movies without necessarily standing out as a director. It shouldn't ever totally line up, even in critics awards.

Is it really Cooper vs. Bale? I had no idea Bale had any strength other than inevitability behind the nomination.

- HALE CO. in doc feature!

Actually, RBG aside, doc feature's about as good as that category gets too.

Reform the actors branch!

The Favourite - 10
ROMA - 10
A Star Is Born - 8
Vice - 8
Black Panther - 7
BlacKkKlansman - 6
Bohemian Rhapsody - 5
Green Book - 5
Ballad of Buster Scruggs - 4
First Man - 4
Mary Poppins Returns - 4

The only best picture nominees with the directing/editing/screenplay/acting nominations quadfecta are VICE, THE FAVOURITE and BLACKKKLANSMAN.

BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY missed screenplay and director.
ROMA missed editing.
BLACK PANTHER missed acting.
A STAR IS BORN and GREEN BOOK missed directing (biggest silver lining of the morning).

I guess I'm on Team Favourite.

I'd say I listed those three in descending order of win likelihood. Though at this point I'm predicting ROMA to win.

Hawke is so up his own arse these days on the born-artiste tip, hard to root for him

Hawke is so up his own arse these days on the born-artiste tip, hard to root for him

How often has a film been nominated for both BP and Foreign Language Film?

Hawke and First Reformed for BP were robbed, boo.

xp Ethan Hawke's a two-time-nom post, two-time-nom post

Isle of Dogs feels like it came out 5 years ago.

To say nothing of Black Panther.

How often has a film been nominated for both BP and Foreign Language Film?

this has happened a few times - Life is Beautiful for starters

Did Stan And Ollie come out too late?

- 2 foreign films in director/cinematography

Check that. Three foreign-language films in cinematography. That has to be a new record for a tech category.

Amour

just realized Colette got snubbed. that sucks.

I never thought she had a chance th

that is, until I realized last week that Aparicio was in

I would've thought she was a shoo-in on the "most acting" principle alone

you can make one of the year's five to ten best movies without necessarily standing out as a director

I don't at all mind directors getting awards, but I still find this odd. How do you isolate for the skill of the director in a film except by taking the film as a whole?

Why is the title of ROMA in all caps, everywhere? Is the neighborhood's name an acronym?

"When a Cowboy Trades His Spurs For Wings" for Best Song made me smile

I just found out the other day that's Gillian Welch/Dave Rawlings.

Did Stan And Ollie come out too late?

About 3% of the Academy has any idea who Laurel & Hardy were.

you can make one of the year's five to ten best movies without necessarily standing out as a director

This isn't it at all. The directors' branch likely votes for the directors of what THEY, a small subset of the members, think are the 5 best films.

Hawke is so up his own arse these days on the born-artiste tip, hard to root for him

Do you know Spike Lee?

xp: If the primary job of a director (not auteur) is tone control, there's plenty of great direction in mediocre films.

I haven't seen Vice, but according to its critical reception, its principal failing is its all over the map, tonally. Which makes its nomination galling.

Just saw a morning news show graphic of all five best directors' mugs alongside each other and Adam MmKay just looks like a dolt next to the rest of them.

Mr Rogers' corpse snubbed for Best Doc Feature! Amazing that “Hale County This Morning, This Evening" might've displaced it. I assume Justice Ginsburg's cult will carry the day.

Presumably Vice is intentionally a tonal patchwork. It's possible to do that well or badly.

yeah, I did not hear of Marina de Tavira until today.

How often has a film been nominated for both BP and Foreign Language Film?

This is the sixth time:

Z (1969)
The Emigrants (Foreign Language Film in 1971, Best Picture in 1972)
Life Is Beautiful (1998)
Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (2000)
Amour (2012)
Roma (2018)

(Cries and Whispers and Il Postino were nominated for BP but didn't receive a Foreign-Language Film nomination because they weren't submitted by their respective countries. And Grand Illusion got a BP nomination before the Foreign-Language category was created.)

Aw. Bao. That made me cry.

The Film Experience guy got 100% on BP, foreign film, and animated film, and I assume he was not alone.

http://thefilmexperience.net/prediction-index/

This isn't it at all. The directors' branch likely votes for the directors of what THEY, a small subset of the members, think are the 5 best films.

This is one of the reasons.

Mr Rogers' corpse snubbed for Best Doc Feature! Amazing that “Hale County This Morning, This Evening" might've displaced it. I assume Justice Ginsburg's cult will carry the day.

A good rule of thumb is that any time you can look at a category and say "with the exception of [title] this is a surprisingly good slate," [title] will always win.

RBG is one of the most [title] movies I've seen this year.

this doc short may win for Trumpian reasons

Congrats to @fieldofvision for the Oscar nomination for “A Night at the Garden” which @Schwarz called the most terrifying movie you can watch at Halloween (or any time) https://t.co/792fdGVm0N #OscarNoms

— Charlotte Greensit (@cgreensit) January 22, 2019

No nom for Won't You Be My Neighbour is a surprise.

these things now exist:
"Oscar nominee Ready Player One"
"Oscar nominee Solo: A Star Wars Story"
"Oscar nominee Kevin Feige"
"Oscar nominee Green Book"

Yalitza Aparicio in Roma gave one of those completely interior performances that the academy voters usually seem to hate. I'm glad she got nominated

Cuaron is gonna bring his actual maid to the ceremony isn't he

lmfao he better!

I wonder whether RBG will be at the ceremony and get a standing ovation.

can she still stand?

lol: the makeup guy who gave rami malek horse teeth got a nomination

have there ever been two nominees in the directing category for foreign language films in a given year?

Oscar nominee Ready Player One

No arguments in my corner.

have there ever been two nominees in the directing category for foreign language films in a given year?

1976 had Ingmar Bergman for Face to Face and Lina Wertmuller for Seven Beauties. I think that's the only precedent, though.

that's the one I was going to post; it's the only one

lol: the makeup guy who gave rami malek horse teeth got a nomination

... Bohemian Rhapsody didn't get nominated for makeup tho?

1976 also had two women in foreign films up for Best Actress.

I would be fine with this member-refreshed directors' branch just doing the nominations for every category tbh.

1976 also had two women in foreign films up for Best Actress

More a reflection of legitimately having no alternatives from stateside product in that era.

Caleb Deschanel DP nom for a film i didnt know had been released

More a reflection of legitimately having no alternatives from stateside product in that era.

― forrest drumpf (Eric H.),

Yep. Your girl won it by default.

interesting article about Never Look Away in the latest New Yorker

xp pssssh, I'm team Spacek that year

Who’s RBG?

^don't ask. stay in bliss

is it that bad?

that article jaymc linked above about Richter and Donnersmarck is fascinating! The ending of The Lives of Others was a little too sentimental for me, and I was disappointed to see that his film Never Look Away was on the foreign language nominees list and not Burning, but now I’m interested in seeing this film.

If Eric’s list is the real best picture nominees: looooooool

Stunned that this is the first time Spike Lee has been nominated for Best Director, but tbf there are only a few of his movies that could've plausibly been nominated: DTRT, Malcolm X, 25th Hour. the rest either sucked, too out there for the Academy (Bamboozled), or flopped (He Got Game). He's surely gotten a Best Doc nom though right?

lol: the makeup guy who gave rami malek horse teeth got a nomination

... Bohemian Rhapsody didn't get nominated for makeup tho?

whoops, I was looking at the TFE list page which was predictions.

as producer of 4 Little Girls, yes xp

I believe the Katrina docs were both made for HBO.

The Academy's bias against Asian ci-ne-mah persists.

Shoplifters got in FLF... I am somewhat relieved by the Steven Yeun omission.

(and by Burning's, truth be told)

People are sharing this about on Twitter, i've no recollection of it at all. It must've been cut from the tv coverage in the UK, they did a next-day highlights package on the BBC in the 80s, until the early 90s when Sky began showing it live.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8bclKPuuE0

Fair dos; Spike's kids going nuts

Spike Lee’s reaction to this morning’s #OscarNoms. #BlacKkKlansman

📹: @sirjacksonlewislee on Instagram pic.twitter.com/0OvhWa3V3n

— BlacKkKlansman (@BlacKkKlansman) January 22, 2019

I believe the Katrina docs were both made for HBO.

Which means, these days, they would've been eligible.

No, didn't they change the rules again after the O.J. debacle?

no Wiseman again is of course a disgrace, but they gave him an honorary last year.

Just looked at the list. Mild rooting interest in Bale--no feelings about anybody else. They should give some kind of an award for the "It's Too Late to Turn Back Now" scene in BlacKkKlansman.

Is this going to be the least watched telecast ever?

If it is, ABC backs out of their contract with the Academy the very next day.

Based on how the ratings have been trending, yes.

uh what

you guys aware that two blockbusters are up for Best Picture? It's gonna do better than the last few broadcasts.

They should give out the Academy Awards as the Super Bowl halftime show.

I said "if it is," ftr, but I also believe that people are probably kidding themselves if they think Black Panther is going to bring the show back to Titanic ratings.

Feels like Black Panther came out three years ago.

I hadn't thought of the blockbuster impact, you're right.

All I wanted was Sade for Widows.

all the little monsters will surely tune in for ASIB

From filmexperience.net Oscar trivia post:

We believe but we don't yet have the clarification that Marina de Tavira is now the ONLY performer ever in the modern era to receive an Oscar nomination without a single notice from critics awards or precursors of any kind. Not a single one. And remember there are 40+ now. There were far fewer precursor awards in 2000 when Marcia Gay Harden stormed toward the Oscar for Pollock out of the blue significant precursor attention but she did have a smidgeon of precursor support. She was a Spirit nominee and she won one major prize: The NYFCC for Supporting Actress.

I said "if it is," ftr, but I also believe that people are probably kidding themselves if they think Black Panther is going to bring the show back to Titanic ratings.

― forrest drumpf (Eric H.), Tuesday, January 22, 2019

never wrote that!

Another out-of-nowhere nom that readers picked up on:

Tommy Lee Jones - In the Valley of Elah

Marina de Tavira nom might be an indicator of how many people have been watching Roma on Netflix just in the last month or so.

I honestly didn't even grok that Black Panther was one of the BP nominees till just now. I pretend it ends around the 75-minute mark. #teamkillmonger

anyway despite the lack of a director nom I'm putting my $$ on ASIB

Absolutely no one likes how long the broadcast is. Putting a firm cap on it (3 hours) and doing only two montages (memoriam and + rando) would probably have more people stay tuned in. Or do they make it so long for commercial dollars?

it's because they love themselves so much I think

No, even the attendees usually talk about how much they hate how long it is.

I was (kind of) joking, I definitely would be stressed out spending 3+ hours in front of cameras

as a viewer I've never minded the length of it, for people on the west coast it doesn't run so late that we have to worry about getting up for work the next day

ok looking it up I'm surprised to see on wikipedia that it's run closer to 4 hours than 3 hours the last six years in a row

I hold the opposing view that people don't care about the results as much as they care how entertaining the broadcast is. People obv. remember the results more than the presenter but if there's no one to host the show that's going to make you laugh, or possibly make you laugh, then no one will care enough to watch with much enthusiasm. Watching Chris Rock presenting in the year of *oscars so white* was a treat, for example.

Also, people talk about how it's too long but the fact that it's too long is the point of it. If it was actually too long then they could just press-release the results. It would make for terrible oscar parties though.

The fact that it's too long is what gives it the little cultural currency that it has. If it lasts two hours and doesn't have a host then it is truly fucked.

I agree, yet I still hold the 2001 telecast with Steve Martin as host was the most fleet of foot.

Steve Martin was the best. I loved his opening line: "800m people around the world are watching us, and they're all thinking the same thing: we're all gay"

ha!

Ugh I don't enjoy there being only one, maybe two awards announced after one hour in.

Absolutely no one likes how long the broadcast is

I do

So does Kyle Buchanan:
https://www.vulture.com/2018/03/my-unpopular-opinion-the-oscars-should-always-be-long.html

Another out-of-nowhere nom that readers picked up on:
Tommy Lee Jones - In the Valley of Elah

why for the love of Douglas Fairbanks would anyone remember this fucking shit

it's a sodding assbackwards trade show

“hosting the oscar is like making love to a beautiful woman, it's something I only get to do when billy crystal was out of town.”

"...Didn't inhale?"

That is precisely the point of a loooong dining table.

So @theacademy continues to baffle in decision making. This has to be the single worst executed year for the awards body, in a year that they have a great crop of nominees! #JohnBaileyResign https://t.co/30GKSv8k0u via @variety

— Clayton Davis (@AwardsCircuit) January 24, 2019

get rid of that award completely.

but this is still bad.

no, it's a fun award that (in other years) offers an opportunity to add lively variety to the telecast

also the Welch/Rawlings cowboy song parody offered some good performance options

So long as it keeps the Oscars from adding a g-d stunt category, I'm fine with them keeping best song and the other twenty-odd categories.

yes, there should be a separate Stunt Awards, so that they can be awarded retroactively to at least 1918

i'm ok with this, altho the welch song could have been fun.

let's name the 8 awards that will be given out during commercials

best song will obv be live bcz Gaga

There can be a hundred people in the room, and 99 don’t believe in you, but one does.

- from some movie I will not be seeing

it's a thing Gaga says in every. single. interview. about her Oscar possibilities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRxsX_30tjs

99/100 people didn't think Lady Gaga was believable.

but one did.

NARRATOR'S VOICE

bradley cooper looks successively more embarrassed every time she says it

Could care less about the telecast or results, but the revenues from the ceremony fund film preservation efforts. If the Academy wants to add stunts or best popular film or a zillion other categories, have at it.

the Green Book one is funny

www.theshiznit.co.uk/feature/if-2019s-oscar-nominated-movie-posters-told-the-truth.php

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/02/academy-asked-queen-open-oscars-bohemian-rhapsody-success-1202040335/

too bad, cuz i always miss the first 5 minutes

Struggling to understand how Kevin Hart is irreplaceable tbh

Struggling to understand how AMPAS hasn't proactively rescinded all nominations that aren't Black Panther, A Star is Born and Bohemian Rhapsody tbh

And Green Book, shurely?

Nah, that movie didn't make $500 million at the box office which will surely translate to a total ratings rebound.

the show is gonna open with viggo mortensen doing both parts of the green acres theme song

"Viggo, what's your favorite word?"

they are predictin'

https://www.slantmagazine.com/category/awards/

The Two Moods pic.twitter.com/RdmKwB6i47

— Peter Labuza (@labuzamovies) February 5, 2019

Average Academy voter: https://www.thedailybeast.com/anonymous-oscar-voters-blasts-smear-campaigns-against-green-book-and-bohemian-rhapsody

Best Director. In that category, will the winner be Alfonso Cuaron for Roma?

I do not like Roma. I don’t hate it. It’s fine. I just don’t understand the fuss. Some of his films are my favorites of all time, but not this one. I’m going with Peter Farrelly for Green Book.

But it’ll have to be a write-in. He wasn’t nominated.

Oh!

Maybe they didn’t transcend the controversy?

Then Adam McKay for Vice.

Richard E. Grant for Can You Ever Forgive Me? I’ve been a fan of him for years. His performance was such a departure from what I’ve seen him do.

I thought he always played messy gays.

I take it that in Musto's memory, Withnail and Hudson Hawk are the same movie, and he's not seen REG in anything else since.

The queen had all her pet rabbits, but I bet Glenn Close could boil them in no time.

https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--tkEBXiVB--/dbrp9slgdhhvbznzdz27.jpg

Is it weird that for BlacKkKlansman, Adam Driver is nominated (for supporting), but not John David Washington (for lead)?

I didn’t think Denzel Washington’s son deserved to be nominated. He was fine, but not over-the-top spectacular. The thing that made that film work on a bipartisan level was Adam Driver, so I’m not disappointed that he got nominated. Is it problematic that there’s only two supporting nominees, Mahershala Ali (Green Book) and Regina King, as black actors nominated? It could be. We’re always tending to be portrayed as a bunch of racist white people by our own Academy, so the fact that BlacKkKlansman and Black Panther were nominated for Best Picture will subdue that.

Yeah, I’m skipping the show this year.

so many choice bits

Gaga could act and you finally got to see her for who she was, as opposed to the persona she portrays onstage -- so that's how acting works, got it

We’re always tending to be portrayed as a bunch of racist white people by our own Academy, so the fact that BlacKkKlansman and Black Panther were nominated for Best Picture will subdue that.

"Denzel Washington's son"

you know, it's sometimes hard to remember all 3 names of a really bland actor

Those anonymous articles are quickly becoming my favorite part of Oscar season.

So Lady Gaga’s performance in A Star is Born is no competition?

Ugh. I am not a fan of A Star is Born. The one thing I loved is Bradley Cooper’s hair. I don’t know how he got his hair to do that!

anonymous Oscar voter otm

this show could be a magnificent travesty, and it might not even take four hours to watch.

I saw the live-action and animated shorts nominees. Are they always such a grim lot?

I’ve seen all of the animated ones except Weekends. One Small Step is good; the others, meh. Most of the live action ones didn’t sound interesting to me this year; I’ve only seen Fauve (which I liked).

the animated ones are usually about like a rabbit or a sandcastle, I saw the live action shorts today and they were not only terrible but contemptible, emotionally exploitative on top of being aesthetically repulsive.

Take the shitty Bulger murder reenactment out of the mix and live action shorts were the best of the three short categories. Docs were mostly boring and animated were mostly devoid of imagination.

Seriously tho, Detainment may be the worst movie nominated for an Oscar this year, period. No small achievement.

Kinda curious about Skin but only for the Jonathan Tucker factor. Love that guy

I have a Yalitza Aparicio joke I would give to Bob Hope, but I don't think i'll share it here

Skin is so fucked up

Apparently Skin is being expanded into a full-length feature. No thank you.

Live action drama shorts, with the exception of Marguerite, are a trainwreck.

Apparently Skin is being expanded into a full-length feature.

Wth Jame Bell instead of Tucker, which seems like a lateral move at best.

obviously for things to unfold predictably is the surefire bet, but if there is any strangeness at midnight on the 24th it might be

Foreign Film: Roma
Director: Spike
BP: Green Book

Live action drama shorts, with the exception of Marguerite, are a trainwreck.

And Marguerite only looked so good because the other nominated shorts are so repulsive.

I went to the opening night screening of the live action nominated shorts. walkouts throughout the show as people hit their frustration point. Skin was the final short shown and when the dad started getting beaten by skinheads, a dude from the crowd got up and started screaming at the Oscar rep in attendance: "how dare you throw all this garbage at us! why not put cameras in the showers at auschwitz! what the fuck is wrong with you!" and stormed out in a huff. After the kid shot his dad at the end there was honest-to-god sarcastic applause from the crowd. theater employees in the lobby were clearly amused and laughing at the steady stream of walkouts and disgruntled viewers; i overheard one guy say "and this is OPENING NIGHT? we're not going to be able to keep showing these!" total fustercluck of a selection; i agree that Marguerite was only good in comparison to the rest of the drek. Detainment is one of the most pointless and bleak pieces of film I've seen; everyone involved should be embarrassed.

Marguerite may be the least offensive of this group but it still sucked - all of these shorts were the climaxes of movies, and we have no time to get to know the characters before they're hurt, killed, or have some breakthrough moment. Marguerite could make a solid feature.

Cinematographers, editors get the shaft

.@TheAcademy unveils the 4 #Oscars categories to be presented during commercial breaks https://t.co/Ng0bMLxP66 pic.twitter.com/jkhVF5WXCf

— Hollywood Reporter (@THR) February 11, 2019

well, wonderful, a nation has to endure Rami Malek's win.

Yeah, I won't be watching the Oscars this year.

Rami Malek was so botoxed at The Baftas he could barely move his face.

That's just the way he talks.

Fuck that shit!

Roger Deakins really got in under the wire

Leaving out the DP award is an odd choice. I thought they'd leave out the sound twins.

Makeup is a joke category, glad to see it gone. (the oscars always pick the showy ones. and sometimes they reward diva leeches, like streep's iron lady dude.)

Good time to remember that time the Oscars, always a geyser of smart ideas that cut down on time, elected Michael Flatley to demonstrate film editing https://t.co/FuDf6V5b5l

— Matt Prigge (@mattprigge) February 11, 2019

Also seems like 90% of clips shown were single shots from different films edited together. Doesn't say much about the editing in those films...

That may be the least of its problems though.

Not that this clip's aged any better, but at least it's actually theoretically related to the topic it's showing off:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-xYgh6M_Hg

More anonymous voter insight: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/14/movies/best-picture-oscars-voters.html?smid=tw-nytimesarts&smtyp=cur

* Rami Malek is winning best actor by at least 30 points
* Voters know BlacKkKlansman winning would look the best in 20-30 years (and now)
* the two most broadly-liked movies are the ones with the least nominations, Green Book and Bohemian Rhapsody
* simmering white resentment might push Green Book to a win

A few older voters said they had gone back to watch the 1954 version of “A Star Is Born,” with Judy Garland, and come away with the belief that the current version wasn’t as good, especially in its second hour.

yet a couple voters complained about the length of some of the other nominees

Good morning!

Hale County This Morning, This Evening is now streaming on PBS.

what about Mind the Gap?

Hulu

All Oscar Categories to Air Live After Hollywood Protest:

https://variety.com/2019/film/news/all-oscar-categories-to-air-live-after-hollywood-protest-1203141496/

Cucked again

I liked what Mark Harris had to say about it:

“This didn't happen bc of an "outrage mob" or anything like it. People who love the tradition of the Oscars are not opposed to the show changing or evolving. But those decisions have to come from a place of affection and respect for what the Oscars are, not fear or contempt.

The proposed changes were all about distaste for the Oscars & to the artists they honor. Songs are boring--dump 'em. Last year's winners? Who cares--get bigger stars. Tech categories? Zzz. They alienate the kids. Best Picture? Snooty. Give a new award to a film REAL people like.

This stems from a conviction that the Oscars are forever "broken" and that the way to "fix" them is to make them appeal to those who hate them--to say, yeah, we think they're kind of awful too.

But the show can produce joy and idiosyncrasy in the most unexpected moments... “

went to the documentary shorts yesterday against my better judgment.

Black Sheep: not bad. generally against dramatic reenactments but I thought this one earned it, feel like I would've had a much stronger negative reaction against the end sequence but idk, it worked. Low bar, but this was one was alright.

End Game: can't handle kids with cancer so I sat in the lobby for 40 minutes.

A Night at the Garden: really great and interesting, had no idea about this rally, fascinating footage, only wish it were longer!

Lifeboat: OK... but I walked out after the bloated, distended corpse.

Didn't stay for the last one.

You skipped the only uplifting one.

who needs short uplift when we got Green Book

so true

nobody ate a whole pizza like a sandwich in any of the shorts

They did in the one you skipped! The Pakistani women manufacturing maxi pads, on their lunch breaks.

lol

who needs uplift when I've got a fresh can of Raid under the kitchen sink?

Got around to watching First Reformed and Hawke would get my vote. I haven't seen everything though

Has there ever been such a fuss about a film not getting a nom like there has been over Eighth Grade this year? Seems they really messed up

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/18/movies/wga-awards-oscars.amp.html

yeah Ethan Hawke not getting nominated

I actually have heard zero fuss about Eighth Grade not getting nominated

I mean God knows it's better than BlackkKlansman but

I don't think any snub since Hoop Dreams failed to land a documentary nomination has compared in terms of how much blowback there was.

Eighth Grade's screenplay snub least of all.

what about Mind the Gap?

Also now streaming on PBS (after airing last night)

https://www.pbs.org/pov/mindingthegap/video-mindingthegap/

left off an -ing

I did, that is

apparently I am blissfully unaware of AA blowback, as others are of the war crimes of Democratic presidents

Yes. Blissfully unaware are we.

also, noms for a first film made by a cis straight white guy? lol

I know it’s getting hard, but do try to make some sense awhile longer

I am. not gonna amplify.

Is Whoopi Goldberg This Year’s Secret Oscar Host?

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/02/whoopi-goldberg-secret-oscars-host-kevin-hart-1202045303/

well they're not gonna announce Whoopi in advance

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/roman-polanski/6245219/Roman-Polanski-backlash-as-Whoopi-Goldberg-says-director-didnt-commit-rape-rape.html

false alarm, according to Joy Behar said Whoopi is recovering from pneumonia so won't be hosting

sorry *joy Behar, Whoopi...

We're calling it for Green Book: https://www.slantmagazine.com/awards/oscar-2019-winner-predictions-picture/

It'd be interesting to see Spike lose to a stodgy race-comfort-food chauffeur movie again.

Roma backlash (in addition to the Netflix one?):

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/02/anonymous-ballot-editing-voter-criticizes-academy-1202045610/

He was only nominated for Original Screenplay in ‘89, where Daisy won for Adapted.

(He definitely doesn’t deserve to win Picture this year, but would have above the field in 1989. Don’t worry, he lost to a towering monument to white privilege anyway.)

I know, but he was sitting there watching DMD win.

it seemed like seething contempt at the time, before we had three decades of photos of him sitting with the same expression at basketball games

was traumatised by Eric's post until I clicked through to be reminded about McDormand winning for some dumb racist nonsense last year

well Green Book would join the list of Best Pictures i will never see (Gump, Gladiator, Beautiful Mind)

covering '89-films to now, I've not seen Miss Daisy, Silence Of The Lambs, Schindler's List, Gump, Braveheart, The English Patient, Titanic, Gladiator, A Beautiful Mind, Million Dollar Baby, Crash, The Departed, Slumdog Millionaire, The King's Speech, The Artist, 12 Years A Slave or Spotlight. There are two in there that I can imagine it's possible I'd ever see.

silence of the lambs and the departed are great. spotlight is good. Burn the rest

spotlight is mediocre. artless. like a made for tv thing. no stellar performances either.

Silence is one of the maybes, if it was on a big screen as part of a Demme retrospective or s/t. I still feel I saw enough of it re-enacted by kids at school, let alone years of parodies, that I've basically watched it three times.

The Departed has DiCaprio and Nicholson and Wahlberg and Baldwin: even if it wasn't a remake of something I've seen, that's too much waddling masculinity in one movie. (DiCaprio alone is usually too much.)

covering '89-films to now, I've not seen Miss Daisy, Silence Of The Lambs, Schindler's List, Gump, Braveheart, The English Patient, Titanic, Gladiator, A Beautiful Mind, Million Dollar Baby, Crash, The Departed, Slumdog Millionaire, The King's Speech, The Artist, 12 Years A Slave or Spotlight. There are two in there that I can imagine it's possible I'd ever see

Just out of morbid curiosity, you clicked on a thread with Oscars in the title why?

Silence Of The Lambs - great flick, it has a singularly creepy vibe to it that goes well beyond the Lecter scenes and has so much to do with Demme's skillful framing even in the most innocuous scenes.
Schindler's List - I still think this is pretty amazing when it's in its peak moments but Spielberg's corny moments towards the end are a bit cheap, and I'm not a fan of a couple of his suspenseful bits in the middle of the horror.
Gump - complete trash
Braveheart - great battle scenes, the best parts beyond those scenes involve Robert the Bruce and his dad. The rest of it is pretty dumb.
The English Patient - I think the performances are all good (Fiennes, Thomas, Binoche, Dafoe, Andrews, Firth) and it's better than its rep as the Fargo-trouncing Oscar bait would have you believe. It's not special or anything however...
Titanic - Good spectacle, decent structure, bad script.
Gladiator - mostly awful, however as a side note Kingdom of Heaven (director's cut) is the real deal when it comes to Ridley Scott's run of medieval/ancient world battle flicks.
A Beautiful Mind - never saw it, why would i
Million Dollar Baby - blah
Crash - fuck this
The Departed - clearly it's not a very personal Scorsese film and Nicholson loses the plot halfway through, but he makes it work. The masculinity shit is there but it's frequently shot down so to speak. It's the best of the Boston movies in recent years. Baldwin is actually funny and Wahlberg is the same, this is maybe the last time these guys were in a film where they were not just tolerable but good.
Slumdog Millionaire - eh
The King's Speech - no
The Artist - I liked the OSS films from this director but this is a hard pass
12 Years A Slave - It's fine
Spotlight - I always forget this won, it's ok.

yah I love Baldwin in 30 Rock, and he was good in the recent Missions Impossible; Wahlberg was great in Boogie Nights, The Big Hit, and Three Kings. they're both terrible humans though and most of their 21st century work is gross

Just out of morbid curiosity, you clicked on a thread with Oscars in the title why?

a friend and I used to watch the Oscars and Globes with pizza and champagne every year bcz they're dumb and fun to not take seriously; I never bothered to get involved in office sweeps, and stopped even paying attention to nominations once they stopped showing the ceremony on free--to-air.

a huge part of what makes the Oscars the Oscars is that the "big" categories are voted on by old dumb rich idiots; what wins best picture usually reflects this more than any marker of inherent must-watch quality. if The Favourite wins this year I'll be very pleased for it. if Roma wins I'll figure that was a reasonable result all things considered. if Green Book wins I'll be appalled for exactly three seconds, and then never care about it again. (if BlackKklansman wins, I'll shit myself with surprise and die. everything else nominated sucks afaict but so do most winners, let alone annual nominations!)

otm about Baldwin, tho I've enjoyed Wahlberg in comedies a lot more than cop procedurals/war porn.

Spotlight is totally a TV movie but it is good. Pretty funny how Michael Keaton picks up the phone at the end and says "Spotlight" like he's getting the fucking bat signal.

i forget Baldwin was in the last couple MI flicks, he's good in those.

i agree with omar's entire rundown, except that Spotlight was quite good not just okay

Spotlight is perfectly fine. I like it better than at least half of the BP winners from '89-present.

spotlight is mediocre. artless. like a made for tv thing. no stellar performances either.

― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, February 22, 2019

Nonsense, and lots of TV movies are excellent in the 2000s.

I ranked the 2010 winners.

I saw The Silence of the Lambs again last week. Otm about Demme's framing and editing choices even when the introduction of Lecter and his fellow prisoners in hell is way overstated (the music, the antics). There are a couple car sequences with Starling and Jack Crawford that are small treasures of sexual and professional tension.

spotlight is mediocre. artless. like a made for tv thing. no stellar performances either.

― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, February 22, 2019

Nonsense, and lots of TV movies are excellent in the 2000s.

― a Stalin Stale Ale for me, please (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, February 22, 2019 12:31 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

like a bad one from the 90s then

Nah. The procedural grind of journalism was caught without sentimentality. If Mark Ruffalo hadn't been allowed to huff and puff and blow the newspaper down, it'd be a minor masterpiece.

ruffalo is bad, but so is the script

No one needs to watch any of these, but ...

Worth The Watch
The Silence Of The Lambs
Schindler's List
Titanic
The Departed

No Need To Watch But Up To You
Forrest Gump
The English Patient
Million Dollar Baby
Slumdog Millionaire
12 Years A Slave
Spotlight

Do Not Watch
Braveheart
Gladiator
A Beautiful Mind
The King's Speech
The Artist

Burn
Crash

Burn
Crash

I see what you did there

http://i.imgur.com/1tFLZMR.gif

Spotlight really is a very good film.

too...brute for singing

^another inscrutable Alfred post ;)

of the Best Picture awards of the last 30 years, Silence of the Lambs and Moonlight were the ones I really enjoyed seeing win

see the above gif for the answer

ok lol. I remember liking Amadeus in 1985. I wonder what I would think about it today

Alfred's obsession with the biggest, fattest fuck from Amadeus is one of his selling points that I'm here for.

of the Best Picture awards of the last 30 years, Silence of the Lambs and Moonlight were the ones I really enjoyed seeing win

I loved seeing the thin-gruel noir of L.A. Confidential and especially the no-homo emo bullshit of Good Will Hunting stand absolutely no chance against Titanic.

The worst noir (which L.A. Confidential isn't) is better than the best disaster flick (which Titanic isn't).

Alfred's obsession with the biggest, fattest fuck from Amadeus is one of his selling points that I'm here for.

― zama roma ding dong (Eric H.), Friday, February 22, 2019 9:16 PM

https://media1.giphy.com/media/2lNJQ6Q3DK7hC/source.gif

lol

someone important to me was thrilled by Titanic, my love for him made me love the film

biggest disappointment was Crash. after Ang Lee won best director I was really hoping that Brokeback Mountain would win. even Jack Nicholson looked dismayed when he announced the winner

Yup.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ConfusedDimpledAlbatross-size_restricted.gif

Ca-poh-tay

At the very least, I'm happy that Crash's entire legacy, only a decade-and-a-half later, boils down to "Worst Best Picture Winner Ever."

I liked Phillip Seymour Hoffman's humility in his acceptance speech, that he recognized it was the role of his life and was grateful he got the opportunity

ok watching the clip again it doesn't seem at all like I remembered it, not that great, why can't these people keep it short?

ultimately I was disappointed that Heath Ledger didn't win for one of my favorite performances ever

Good Will Hunting was much more frightening than The Silence of the Lambs

Alfred's obsession with the biggest, fattest fuck from Amadeus is one of his selling points that I'm here for.

That's not Elizabeth Berridge! BANG

Good Will Hunting was much more frightening than The Silence of the Lambs

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, February 22, 2019 7:35 PM (three minutes ago)

lol

certainly Matt Damon and Robin Williams seemed more like cannibals than that squishy little Welshman

The best/worst thing I can say about GWH, 20 years later, is that I remember so little of it.

http://metrograph.com/uploads/films/image-1-1528474415-726x388.jpg

"A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some mashed potatoes and a nice feckin' Guinness."

I just read the new Williams bio, and I believe he throttled Damon so hard in one scene he drew blood. Oscar for that!

Well, no, he didnt finish the job

Also:

Matt Damon after 2002 >>>>>>> Robin Williams film career

one of the friends I watch films with thinks that Matt Damon is completely personality-free, but in my opinion his Brett Kavanaugh impersonation on SNL disproves that.

I think that distinction goes to Ryan Gosling. As much as I like his musical talent I'm still waiting for him to show us who he is. I know the role called for it to some extent, but he was such a zombie in First Man

very strange cutoff, Alfred, as the best performance Damon ever gave was in Gerry (2002). Only his Scott Thorson comes close. (I didn't see any of that Bourne shit.)

I include Gerry, Morbs. There and in the Bourne films he learned to use his blankness for comic or creepy effect.

Time to drop Stanley Donen into the end of that obit reel and piss off all the Burt Reynolds fans.

ah yes, the core audience for stuntman and alligator-wrestling movies from 40 years ago have been clutching their hankies to their faces for six months, waiting breathlessly to see an photo of an old man in a thick salt & pepper wig appear for 0.8 seconds, three hours into a TV show of people they’ve never heard of giving speeches about their children

Damon’s blankness is totally weaponised in The Informant! btw. The entire film is built on his endless layers of affectless cover being peeled away to reveal even greater inscrutability beneath.

i'd really like to snog him.

sic, have u heard Oscar fallout before, cuz that's all true

I guess I'm comfortable with these predictions, and god have mercy on our souls.

all to be blessedly forgotten by Thursday

Just when will it be Amy Adams's year?!

She's pretty good. Why is she entitled to win when Garbo never did?

she should've won in 2005 and that's that

it’s true, 2005 was garbo’s year and everyone knew it

really need to see Minding the Gap. the trailer tripped me out, seeing Rockford and all these places and parks I know. Rooting for it.

Interesting that this will (likely) be the first decade since the '50s with multiple b&w Best Picture winners. Not that it means much.

and intended for a white & white audience

I'm still betting Roma is going to take BP

Why is Black Panther not nominated for visual effects?

The only things I’m sure of about tonight is that Cuaron will get Director, Glenn Close will get her Lifetime Achievment Best Actress, and that Dick Cheney horror show will get Makeup. Everything else is up for grabs.

Oh, and “Shallow” is a lock, too.

a phenomenon that will change how comic books get conceived and written

ha ha what

adaptations, I should've written

last year my friends @MatthewKBegbie @MorganPaigeLove & I made muppet versions of Oscar nominees and i hung them up around my house, and this year the tradition continues pic.twitter.com/vgTVk8vE7c

— demi adejuyigbe (@electrolemon) February 24, 2019

ah, that makes more sense

we've already seen how willing Disney is to adopt Phil Lord's methods though

I'd be 1000% more likely to watch My Friend Dahmer: Into The Dahmer-Verse though

though

The only Oscar tweets you need.

Billy Porter just set the bar impossibly high for #Oscars fashion. pic.twitter.com/GFj4qAETg6

— Jarett Wieselman (@JarettSays) February 24, 2019

Drag queens are at the #Oscars because a movie they’re in is nominated for Best Picture. That is so fucking epic. So proud of Shangela and Willam 💕 pic.twitter.com/8oiwKn6UdM

— Jarett Wieselman (@JarettSays) February 24, 2019

Amazed at that Billy Porter outfit, highlight of the night and it hasn’t even started.

outfits, zzzzzzzzzzzz

who's billy porter? why is he at the oscars? what film are drag race people in?

they're in A Star is Born

ah, i see. sadly not Roma.

drag is now equiv to "Drag Race" huh

billy porter is a broadway guy who's doing the red carpet interviews. not in a movie this year.

ah, thanks.

Oscar… celebrating movies with ppl who have nothing to do with them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEW5vZ9hZMg

"we have a big opening number we'd like you to take your seats"

Tribute to oldies for an incredibly old voter pool

Usa today jokes. Member the 90s?

"Roma's on Netflix? What's next, my microwave makes a movie?"

I guess bruce vilanch is still writing.

Wtf was with that netflix line? Do they think netflix is an appliance?

A+ mic cut on makeup bores.

here's a decent free stream fwiw

http://ustvgo.net/abc-live-streaming-free/

Well, the makeup winners did all they could to justify the decision not to air their category

Has anyone won Best Cinematography for shooting a film they directed before?

Oscars so not white :DDDDDD

delighted.

Alfonso Cuarón won best cinematography for “Roma,” making him the first director to win for shooting his own film.

isn't obvious that the only white people who are going to win Oscars for awhile are veteran actors for bad movies, eg Glenn Close? Really something to get excited about.

def not winning the Poor Stuart contest this year, bcz I followed Slant.

Is The Wife bad?

everyone says so

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51LVSUhMp8L.jpg

I'm guessing Kasey Musgraves is doing the In Memoriam?

Have any of the Rhapsody winners thanked Bryan Singer?

they probably don't want to become the Main Character of twitter, so no

Rhapsody wins are slowly making us hate Queen

Also, what happened to last years Best Supporting Actress winner handing out Supporting Actor, and so forth?

one of the Academy's torchings of tradition that survived

reminder: Queen was the worst band ever

btw re this year's dumb rumor of "unpredictability": in the interweb's Can You Beat the Crowd contest, the Crowd has called all 11 awards correctly.

someone just texted me about Boho winning a bunch. it's all technicals right? I think Malek will win BA but no way Boho gets BP, it's gonna be Green Book.

Also, what happened to last years Best Supporting Actress winner handing out Supporting Actor, and so forth?

― Timothée Charalambides (cryptosicko), Sunday, February 24, 2019 9:22 PM (eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

one of the Academy's torchings of tradition that survived

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, February 24, 2019 9:23 PM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah wtf? I loved this tradition. I'm glad they restored cinematography and editing obviously, but what was the reasoning behind this? Casey Affleck won two years ago, guys.

anyone have a better stream? that last one upthread has teh glitches.

Michelle yeoh and pharrell being played on with Let it go... hm

I have a bud who's there I just hope he wins, I don't care about the rest at all. That's how cool I am.

I understand Spider-Man won animated so the only thing I could possibly care about here went justly

I saw a dude with a tuxedo dress thing and that was fuckin great.

I've already lost twenty bucks but I think I made it back with Mahershala Ali winning

I shoulda guessed that Musgraves was introducing Buster Scruggs. I still like "Surly Joe" better.

Mahershala to win 3 out of five of the next supporting actor awards.

John Mulaney!

please god there's no Wayne's World 3.

I thought they were introducing Best Picture in four hours, which would've chilled me.

when is In Memoriam and does anyone want to put money down on them excluding Jonas Mekas

Is this the first genuine backstage footage there's ever been?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D0N_jCTWwAE9oeN.jpg

should have kept editing off the show if they were going to give it to BoRhap

I think they will include Jonas. George Kuchar and other a/g people have made it in recent years.

This terrible mid-song screaming wtf it's only Gaga.

yeah that duet was hideous

Twitter is so bad tonight

is Green Book doing a bit of a sweep here? who's keeping score?

well, i guess green book is winning BP.

This terrible mid-song screaming wtf it's only Gaga.

― piscesx, Sunday, February 24, 2019 10:03 PM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah that duet was hideous

― El Tomboto, Sunday, February 24, 2019 10:07 PM

I liked the duet

no way Viggo wins though, it's gonna be Malek

Pleasantly surprised by BlacKkKlansman win, disappointed but not surprised Paul Schrader was snubbed

finally sold that terrible blowzy ballad

the duet was great, you could-hearted bastards

Why no Black Panther song performance?

The men's outfits have really come on these last few years; it used to be everyone was identical.

Mark Ronson!

why does Gaga make such terrible speeches, I think she's trolling

shallow isn’t even a song. it only works in 20-second snippets.

Gaga owes Kendrick a Macklemore txt.

No donen on the death reel

turning this bullshit off and finishing True Detective

I love Bradley Cooper's hair and beard. He looks like he smells of lavender unicorn.

Sudden lump in my throat at that shot from 'Butch..'

oh in memoriam is on now? will Nicolas Roeg get a clip or just a pic

ALL RISE

Barbra Streisand has entered the building.

Can't watch this live, but the surprises are Black Panther for costumes and production design, First Man over Infinity War for visual FX, and anything (Green Book) over The Favourite for original screenplay. Doesn't bode well for Olivia Coleman.

Babs!

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/62/c5/ae/62c5ae3a800a83e0f9999c0aea93f8f3.jpg

I can believe Streisand buys books for the color scheme of their spines.

i know right?

6 of the last 7 Best Actor wins have been for biographical roles. Something broken.

I can also believe Streisand collects self-portraits.

xpost

Must be why I've only seen one of the last 7 best actor wins!

All is forgiven if its Olivia Coleman or Melissa McCarthy. If its Gaga, you're dead to me, Academy.

Olivia coleman for actress is the first pleasant surprise of the night.

Now We Know!

Just when will it be Glenn Close's year?

OK, she's delightful.

Best speech of the night.

HOLY SHIT

Glenn Close proves what a good actress she is by smiling and clapping.

And one of the two shit nominees wins BP.

Re:Donen & The Death Montage: I saw somewhere once that they have to have it prepared a couple weeks in advance (due to timing and clearing the clips), so anyone who dies prior to the ceremony has to wait until next year.

That said, wasn't a big exception made for Whitney Houston or somebody else this decade?

Olivia Colman is our Favourite: https://t.co/jTMmKVhINj pic.twitter.com/yFJan1BhlX

— The New Yorker (@NewYorker) February 25, 2019

You were saying, about Slant’s predictions, Morbs? Not sure many others got 7 of the top 8.

I walk into the living room, where my wife out of sheer desperation has the Awards turned on. I hear the producer of Green Book sating "This was a movie about love." My reaction: well, it's about time!

lol Peter Farrelly

Farrelly winning for a segratation film in front of Coogler and Lee's face is just straight evil mise en scène and why would one continue watching this dumb ceremony after that.

I assume he was listing names so the son couldn't have time to say something stupid (see his Globes speech), or at least that was the intended joke.

great job New Yorker spelling Coleman's name and face wrongly.

what should I watch tonight: OF FATHERS AND SONS or FREE SOLO?

(I've seen MINDING THE GAP and loved it)

Free Solo is terrific. If only for the relationship between character and filmmakers!

I want to watch Free Solo, but only if I can tie a safety line to my bedframe.

yeah I am personally terrified of heights so...

there is remarkably little discussion of OF FATHERS AND SONS that I can really find anywhere

Watch MERU before you watch FREE SOLO imho

Also this guy turned in his words impressively fast imo
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-mn-oscars-green-book-worst-best-picture-winner-20190224-story.html

Jesus, Olivia Colman. Would love to be her mate.

GET SOMEONE WHO LOOKS AT YOU THE WAY EMMA STONE LOOKS AT OLIVIA COLEMAN! #Oscars pic.twitter.com/HJBvZUu8bl

— 9Honey Celebrity (@9HoneyCelebrity) February 25, 2019

I haven’t seen many of the other nominated film but the favourite is a great movie and the performances by the three leads are really excellent. Well deserved win by Olivia Coleman.

great job New Yorker spelling Coleman's name and face wrongly.

― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK),

uh

OMG how embarrassing, I will just die over in the corner

A Quiet Place was really robbed.

Watched the Olivia Colman speech, and it will be the only thing I watch from these Oscars. Glenn Close steaming worth it alone, but most wild to see Yorgos Lanthimos crying at the Oscars. Awesome.

On the other hand,

Spike Lee: "Every time somebody's driving somebody, I lose."

Full #Oscars coverage: https://t.co/Ncl3rswCbd pic.twitter.com/7kQWgWAoW7

— AP Entertainment (@APEntertainment) February 25, 2019

"This time, the racist is in the front" etc etc.

yeah you woulda lost anyway, Shelton.

Kudos on Green Book I suppose, Eric, you know to expect the worst.

6 of the last 7 Best Actor wins have been for biographical roles. Something broken.

True, they used to split with the physically and developmentally challenged.

I saw about 10 minutes early on, and it feels so good.

https://media.giphy.com/media/2m0rqJZ0vQ0IhTCyRp/giphy.gif

frankly amazed RBG lost

If you wonder what a "champion of Green Book" sounds like, well, here is renowned liberal racist awards blogger Jeffrey Wells.

Alas, the p.c. left tried to kill Green Book over and over. Ask anyone in the Oscar-strategizing business — it was one of the ugliest attempted takedown campaigns in Hollywood history.

But Academy members, to their eternal credit, told the haters to stuff it. It’s not that I think Green Book is an especially brilliant or mesmerizimg film, or that it delivers a profoundly meaningful subcurrent or after-vibe or what-have-you, but the tears of joy that came to my eyes when it won are about the glorious decision by Academy voters to tell the Stalinist lefties and p.c. virtue-signallers to go fuck themselves…that they like or love what Green Book is about and how it made them feel, and to hell with the snooties.

http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2019/02/a-fairly-wonderful-thing/

as soon as I see "virtue-signallers" is when I know I'm definitely reading a well-informed and nuanced correspondent.

Doesn’t this guy know you’re not supposed to cry when you’re enjoying a delicious mug of lib tears? The tears are gonna get all mixed up and where does that leave you?

he considers himself a lib (unsurprisingly)

Wells has always been a crank, now he can join the Intellectual Dark Web

I kind of hovered for the first half--DVD going, No Country for Old Men on TV (seemed apropos: "that colossal goat-fuck out in the desert"), some computer time in the adjacent room--caught as much of the second half as I could stand. Highlight was Lady Gaga's Lola Heatherton speech ("Bradley Cooper, I want to BEAR YOUR CHILD!") about how tough she's got it. Disappointed that Jonas Mekas was left off the death roll.

there is now a place on the Oscar website for obituary also-rans

https://oscar.go.com/photos/2019/oscars-in-memoriam-2019-photos/582573fb44deb48f463bb74c0f186dff8601a960cd036f397cefa2558c1f1969

Deleted Green Book scene where Don Shirley learns about the birth of rock n' roll from Chuck's cousin Marvin Berry.

— 𝕿𝖗𝖔𝖚𝖇𝖑𝖊 𝕰𝖛𝖊𝖗𝖞 𝕯𝖆𝖞 (@NickPinkerton) February 25, 2019

Prediction: the star of the Elton John biopic wins Best Actor next year.

a world where taron egerton has an oscar would be final definitive proof that we are living in a simulation

and not a good one

When I saw that trailer for the Elton John movie, my thoughts were basically just "I guess we're going to get one of these every year now"

I saw the trailer and thought, "Well, I guess that's why they call it the blues."

i for one am psyched for the bee gees biopic starring the jonas brothers

I have had tiny dancer stuck in my head since last night. I get why these movies are made.

lol the Elton John was directed by the guy who finished Boh Rhapsody

really taking chances

shallow isn’t even a song. it only works in 20-second snippets.

what a horribly formed "song"

and BCoop was just atrocious on that duet!

Be nice if Spike Lee could read his notes, or better yet not have to use notes at all, when doing his racist hit on your President, who has done more for African Americans (Criminal Justice Reform, Lowest Unemployment numbers in History, Tax Cuts,etc.) than almost any other Pres!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 25, 2019

I'm v happy for Colman as her performance was phenomenal but can anyone explain the rationale behind her being in the Best Actress category and Stone and Weisz being nominated for Best Supporting Actress? If anything it felt like the hierarchy of the character focus was Stone>Weisz>Colman (personally I'd put them all in the Best Actress category).

"I always have tremendous success when I go off the teleprompter--my staff loves it, and I say great things."

I'm v happy for Colman as her performance was phenomenal but can anyone explain the rationale behind her being in the Best Actress category and Stone and Weisz being nominated for Best Supporting Actress? If anything it felt like the hierarchy of the character focus was Stone>Weisz>Colman (personally I'd put them all in the Best Actress category).

― Fetchboy

The politics of securing a nomination. Mahershala Ali and Viggo Mortenson had equal screen time.

xp Colman's character is the focal point of The Favourite, and even though they were all leading actresses, they can't put all three of them in the same category. It would've also looked weird to put Stone & Weisz in different categories, obviously fitting to have them competing in the same category as they do in the movie. in other words, arbitrary bs

what alfred said. this happens almost every year.

she was the queen

Stone>Weisz>Colman

This is correct, and they should have shared one prize, but the split meant we got a solo Colman speech

there is no sharing in Awardsland

except for

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/2/23/Snow_white_oscars.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070514184105

and Ving Rhames

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QUacU0I4yU

green book sequel gotta be viggo mortensen & mahershala ali driving thru the south to collect all the other colored books to complete the infinity gauntlet

— Desus Nice (@desusnice) February 25, 2019

Trevor Noah told a joke to South Africa

https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/oscars/the-best-joke-at-this-years-oscars-was-a-hidden-one/

I've met Olivia Colman and she is indeed lovely btw

(I never get to name-drop; let me have this one)

it is a good one

the ones you usually see are not but this is

im fine w green book winning best pic tho also the oscars are trash overall~

A Quiet Place was really robbed.

― piscesx, Monday, February 25, 2019 5:46 AM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

And Hereditary!!!

yes Hereditary deserved recognition

A Quiet Place would sweep the Razzies in a just world

So, does anyone actually like Green Book? I don't mean on ILX, but rather anyone, anywhere? To date, I've seen only one semi-positive review, and the reviewer was very upfront about how the movie is a schmaltzy, likely problematic white liberal fantasy that he found sorta entertaining despite his better instincts. Like, if Roma or Bohemian Rhapsody or A Star is Born had one, I'd get it; the former is a critical hit and the latter two were big crowd pleasers that clicked with audiences (particularly ones of a certain age). I don't even know who the audience for Green Book is supposed to be.

*had WON

i havent seen a anything about whether its good or bad thats not how we grade movies now

David Edelstein's review is basically positive.

http://www.vulture.com/2018/11/green-book-spoon-feeds-you-but-it-goes-down-easy.html

The thing that's really interesting there is the update at the end--before his Bertolucci controversy.

Pretty sure I won't ever see Green Book, much as I like Ali. Just not my kind of film--if I ever do, it'll be solely because of him. (I was going to say that "not my kind of film" applied to most of the winners this century, but, checking, turns out I've seen all but five or six--including The Artist, where I should have trusted the loud voice in my head screaming stay away.)

Ali is the only reason I'd ever see it as well (though I likely won't). It certainly isn't because I want a lecture on race relations from the director of Dumb and Dumber.

green book has a few good jokes that i laughed at, but its take on race relations is cringeworthy

Driving Miss Daisy, which gets shit for winning, is a far better picture.

This seemed calculated to annoy people

what, ILX?

My understanding is that the move to more than 5 Best Picture nominees created a ranked choice type situation where the "least objectionable" movie had a good shot at winning, even if it was no one's favorite movie. Basically it's a consensus pick. There is also a narrative that there was an anti-Roma (the front runner going into the ceremony) insurgency because of its Netflix affiliation.

^sounds right to me (although it surprises me that Green Book was the least objectionable)

that last paragraph of edelstein's review was really bad

and the first part of the review didn't seem like a convincing endorsement of the movie, either

So, does anyone actually like Green Book? I don't mean on ILX, but rather anyone, anywhere?

― Timothée Charalambides (cryptosicko)

old white people

hmmm i wonder how it won best picture

AV Club post-Oscars take seems to be relatively common:

To these eyes, Green Book isn’t an awful film. Both of the lead performances, by Viggo Mortensen and newly minted two-time Best Supporting Actor winner Mahershala Ali, are more nuanced than they had to be. And as a longtime Farrelly brothers fan, I’ll personally admit that I found it a little amusing to see a standard, self-congratulatory Hollywood social-issues movie with a main character broad and goofy enough to have appeared in, say, Kingpin. Hell, it’s probably not even the bottom of the 2019 Best Picture barrel; that dishonor is reserved for Bohemian Rhapsody, a glorified parody of biopic clichés—an accidental Walk Hard—trying to pass itself off as the real thing. But if Green Book wasn’t the worst of the eight films up, it was almost certainly the most retrograde, in its ideas and filmmaking. You watch it and think, “I thought we had moved past this sort of thing”—a dismayingly common sentiment in 2019.

"You watch it and think, “I thought we had moved past this sort of thing”—a dismayingly common sentiment in 2019" sums it up

I liked The Root's take on it.

https://thegrapevine.theroot.com/green-book-has-great-acting-a-misleading-title-and-pa-1830572839

I think it's very well shot, very funny, has a lot of great dialogue and acting and reminds me of a good odd-couple buddy flick. I also think that a lot of the racial stuff is well-meaning but deeply flawed. You can't really make a HotTakeable opinion out of that so it gets lost in the noise

There's a huge gulf between "oh-so-important racial justice tearjerker" and "white savior garbage shitshow" and the movie definitely exists in it, imo!

My 60+ coworker who is v sweet but a total ditz LOVED it said i HAD to see it and i was like sure 🙄

My Mum saw it and her review aside from generally liking it was “you’d enjoy the music”

old white ppl, basically

Whiney, what are examples of fine dialogue in GB?

huge gulf is right

thought that the screenplay was kind of ham-handed but that the acting was really good

The fifth time in six years a Mexican director has won best director. That's some kind of progress at least. Or lack of progress?

I wish Roma had won best picture

Olivia Colman's speech was so much better than the rest of the show

“My kids, if you’re home and watching — well, if not, well done! But I sort of hope you are. This is not going to happen again!”

Green Book was a big crowd pleaser. I saw it opening weekend, packed matinee full of older white people, all of them in stitches throughout. I agree with comments above about it being an enjoyable, perfectly fine broad comedy very clearly from the minds that brought you There's Something About Mary and Me, Myself, and Irene. Its racial outlook is retrograde. I didn't see Boho, but I assume Green Book is better. A Star is Born is anodyne but fine for what it is, the thing about Green Book is it's a blinkered, immature comedy positioning itself as a message movie, and it fails for obvious reasons. It won BP because old white Academy voters, like the audience I saw it with, resented being made to feel bad about liking it, and voted for it out of "rage" (quoting one anonymous Academy voter) and as a response to what they would call "SJW outrage culture." This embrace of the movie for nasty reasons (that email from the producer to the journalist is infuriatingly stupid) doesn't prevent it from sitting in the same canon as Road Trip, American Pie, Dude Where's My Car?, Drop Dead Gorgeous, Harold & Kumar, and all of the previous Farrelly brothers movies. But to see it used as a cudgel for white resentment by the Academy is upsetting, especially considering the circumstance of Spike Lee sitting there 29 years later lose to another Driving Miss Daisy.

The irony is that Black Klansman (which I didn't think was that good) was, at its most basic, about a black guy in the south ... enlisting the help of a white guy to overcome racism.

also ironic that Netflix, the champion of small screen home comfort film-watching, put forth a film that was really best-appreciated in theaters with good sound systems and big screens

xp agree that the Green Book win may have been about a backlash to the backlash

I def thought Green Book would have been a lot better if it just went full Blazing Saddles/Putney Swope instead

Like especially after Get Out and Black Panther proved you can do real, deep criticism of racism in hugely popular genre movies

Vallelonga jr. is now making a romcom about pizzeria worker meeting a woman named Patti Amore. It's titled That's Amore!