ban nerdstrom poindexter

clearly this experiment has gone on long enough

Surely an atomic wedgie is the more appropriate response in this particular case.

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Throw in esby too

you know this is a bad idea and probably contrary to ilx policy, too?

yeah there's never been a "ban x" thread before

times have changed, aimless

this is a serious thread btw. the politics threads have long been a place of mutual commiseration and it’s accepted by most that the occasional intelligent discussion will be derailed by petty beefs. but there’s no denying that nerdstrom posts with the sole purpose of antagonizing other posters and grinding the thread to a halt. a nice break can at least give him the opportunity to work on a new angle

hit up that button folks

Good luck USA

'Trom

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That’s not true. More often than not I’m the target of unwarranted hostility. There’s not a single moment when my...let’s say “least well received posts” weren’t responding to something objectively more problematic or offensive.

It speaks to the times we live in sadly. Some folks (not everyone thankfully) on here are too attached to their social media bubbles and respond angrily when narratives are questioned.

But here we have teachable moment for all of us. Surrendering to these petty and abusive calls for my removable would be failing the test of this moment.

C-. I can see what you're going for but this needs work.

Also a very telling on yourself post (you're obviously trolling)

“Trolling” doesn’t mean “anything I don’t agree with” Jim.

i understand that but there is no way that this is an earnest thing that a person would write:

But here we have teachable moment for all of us. Surrendering to these petty and abusive calls for my removable would be failing the test of this moment.

― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, February 22, 2019 1:19 PM (seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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nerdstrom is right to challenge the idea that ilx bernie stans need a special positive feels only thread

politics threads used be serious aimless

now its salty fucksticks being shitheads to treeship

I thought that was a dumb thread too, but you and I both know that he’s been shitting up the 2020 thread for a while now

I also suspect whiney may not have had the purest of intentions with starting that thread lol

yeah there's never been a "ban x" thread before

― ( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Friday, February 22, 2019 3:05 PM (thirty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there's like 27 ban l0u1s jagg3r threads but they were in jest

compromise - find luriqua, give him nerdstrom's account

who da fuq is nerdstrom poindexter

ums I support that compromise

nerdstrom is right to challenge the idea that ilx bernie stans need a special positive feels only thread

Oh why not. Bring some joy unto the world.

mod request for after you get hardsonned

wouldn't a temporary threadban make more sense? even then, i don't think he's done anything to warrant that, even though i disagree with every single one of his posts

banning people for being unpopular contributes to the shitty, meanspirited hivemind bullshit ilx often falls into

we're not asking for mods to ban him, we're asking for people to play their part and hit that FP button.

banning people for being unpopular contributes to the shitty, meanspirited hivemind bullshit ilx often falls into

― Trϵϵship, Friday, February 22, 2019 1:41 PM (nineteen seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

fp'd for milquetoast self-parody

an actually "milquetoast" person would just let people get their kicks in and hope they don't turn on him next. you're using the word wrong.

ban him why don't you

you know this is a bad idea and probably contrary to ilx policy, too?

― A is for (Aimless), 22. februar 2019 22:03 (twenty-five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

It is. It's basically against ilx policy to make threads about other users, though if np is okay with it, then who cares.

what about ask threads?

i have no issue with criticism or debate on the bernie thread I'd just like it to not have bad faith warmed over bullshit copped from David Brock's twitter farm, i.e. nerdstrom posts

it definitely sucks but i don't think it's a good precedent to ban someone for that

even you’re not naive enough to not see that he’s trolling, treeship

It's basically against ilx policy to make threads about other users

ha ha what is this assertion based on?

presumably the FAQ

Personal threads. If a thread is started discussing a registered user or their actions, that user has the right to ask for it to be deleted or locked. The thread does not have to be an attack on the user. This does not apply to threads users start themselves and later regret.

that doesn't say you aren't allowed to make threads about other posters but ok. i have no idea where the faq is

https://www.ilxor.com/faq.html

Bumping a thread merely because it makes you laugh, or you wish to bring it to other users' attention, is bad form, generally speaking.

i am mortified

what about ask threads?

― Trϵϵship, 22. februar 2019 22:50 (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You could get the 'Ask Treeship' thread locked down, but we would have to ask you what you felt about it first, and where would we do that if it's locked down? It's impossible, which is why these kinds of threads shouldn't exist in the first place.

nerdstrom posts with the sole purpose of antagonizing other posters and grinding the thread to a halt

this. i'm glad other people are hitting the button. nerdstrom is an objectively awful poster, and not because he keeps being a complete shithead about my house fire. which by the way, he does with nearly word-for-word retreads of gabbneb's last life as "moo vaughn." so if he's not a sock gabbo set up years ago and recently revived, he's someone else trying to imitate aspects of gabbnism which doesn't strike me as a good-faith attempt to participate in anything. the only reason he hasn't been 51'ed is that 51 is too high a number and a lot of his shit is so boring to read that i think a lot of people just skim past it and aren't registering how intentionally trolly it all is.

^^^ cosign 100%

that FAQ hasn't been updated in 12 years. though the rule about people wanting threads about them locked is still enforced, but they have to ask. the thread itself isn't banned.

I dispute the idea that nerdstrom is trolling. I don't care much for his attitude on the politics thread, but that's not trolling. He's not acting like gabbneb, who I feel was harmless as well and shouldn't have been 51'd. treeship otm. this type of shit is ilx at its worst.

is NP baddnebb

I used to think he was gabbneb but i don’t anymore. Gabbneb would explicitly insult people for being “lower class”

The broad inability to consider that posters might legitimately disagree with the consensus on here is so crazy. Everyone is a trolling sockpuppet of that one dude who said something shitty fifteen years ago.

ban fred too

fred is nude spock

Xp. You're living proof that's not true. You're a terrible poster,but it's from the heart

I used to think NP probably wasn't gabbneb but I'm increasingly certain that we do in fact have a bifurcated benbbag resurgence on our hands.

Mordy made a good point upthread (not solely because it’s a partial and honestly brave defense of me). A thread for one political candidate where no criticism is allowed? I hadn’t considered how problematic that aspect of it was before.

However that thread was worth it for a slept on moment that I hope you guys didn’t miss in which Whiney assuaged people’s concerns about Bernie’s age by reminding us that Queen Elizabeth is 92 years old.

Now that was an enjoyable moment that only came about as a consequence of a concern I happen to have voiced and would we really want to erase that?

there are tons of posters whose political opinions constantly baffle me and with whom i regularly disagree. you do not see me calling them trolls.

go read through the 2020 dem primary thread. if you really come away thinking NP is just a sincere sharer of unpopular opinions and the critics are unfairly ganging up on him, i don't know what to tell you.

Nerdstrom Poindexter is bad and should be banned for wasting all our time

ilx is governed by a secretive cabal of moderators without publicly documented rules and that's fine tbh

The abuse thread just received upthread is unwarranted, I’ve seen treat everyone with nothing but respect and effectively undermines the case many of you are trying to make here.

Also what’s seen as “trolling” is often just ways of phrasing and tenors that are uniformly spread throughout the board if we are being honest, something seeped into the dna of the place.

We are being arbitrary and unwilling to elevate ourselves if we pretend it’s justifiable to isolate blame in the direction of one guy.

*abuse Fred just received

It was so upsetting to see it caused me to mistype

fred has certainly not always treated me with respect— but that is OK i'd never want him to be banned

nerdstrom your only positive contribution to this place is to make Fred, Morbs, and Simon seem much more palatable by comparison in uspol threads

you don't have to be banned just never post

NP is not half the asshole some (plenty) of other posters are. Hell, he's even less of an asshole than me, I think. I can think of at least a half dozen people I'd kick out before him.

your opinion is of no consequence

*abuse Fred just received

It was so upsetting to see it caused me to mistype

― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, February 22, 2019 2:51 PM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

hahahahaha

Simon? Lol, where did that come from?

Silby is low key one of ilx’s most mischievous posters

Thanks I think??

love silby love everyone bar yknow the obv untouchables buzzz buzzzz 👑 but nerdstrom needs a ban firstly for denying gabbnebbship secondly for denying trolling thirdly for seasoning will welcome back with open arms obv

If he's going to be let back in, we need to hold off on the ban, better to still be rid of him when the primaries are actually happening.

go read through the 2020 dem primary thread. if you really come away thinking NP is just a sincere sharer of unpopular opinions and the critics are unfairly ganging up on him, i don't know what to tell you.

― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Friday, February 22, 2019 10:41 PM (thirty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I do, for the most part. I skimmed through posts from past few months, the person I saw him in conflict with the most was Simon H., who is an absolute nugget.

The one thing I definitely take exception to, and hadn't noticed before, is his reference to your house. That was super shitty, NP. Doctor Casino, I'm really sorry he said that.

I agree. I fp’d him for it at the time.

hey an ilxor made a dig about my house catching fire once i dont remember this outrage

tbf the house fire comment followed dismissive flippancy over the idea that the Trump admin has been dangerous. The “how dare you!” isn’t really earned there. Two way street boys, it’s not hard!

he's done it multiple times. the most recent one is the most obvious bit of hackneyed aint-i-a-stinker trying-to-get-a-rise shit, particularly given as he'd already been called out for the earlier shit comment on the subject. i seriously don't get how anybody could read that, and then his sweet innocent put-upon act over in this thread, and not immediately go "oh yeah this guy is on this board just to fuck with it." thanks to y'all for FPing it. we just need 48 more of you!

xpost stfu

tbf the house fire comment followed dismissive flippancy over the idea that the Trump admin has been dangerous. The “how dare you!” isn’t really earned there. Two way street boys, it’s not hard!

― Nerdstrom Poindexter, Friday, February 22, 2019 11:33 PM (ten minutes ago)

making shitty remarks about something bad that happened to another poster is never ok. it's really not hard!

Yeah, personal attacks are never ok. But again, if every poster that uses personal attacks was a troll...

Mockingly referencing a personal tragedy is a different category

... that would make you one (xp)

NP what’s the deal with @agraybee? He seems to have dumb and bad takes a lot but has no particular notability, isn’t published anywhere, etc? I’m just curious as to why he’s your Dennis Perrin.

I don’t know? Tweets he made seemed to be commenting on cliches that some posts on here were manifesting in these cringey unselfaware ways.

I’ve gotten more into Dennis Perrin lately though.

this thread is going to die slowly as everyone goes out for some good ol' fashioned friday night partying!!!!

oh wayyyyy ahead of u

NP gleefully mocking someone's personal tragedy insinuates you probably weren't spurned on by feeling wronged. That just how you tried to legitimize it

Everybody post what yr eating rn

a mini o'henry

Dark chocolate caramel wedges from Trader Joe's.

poke

babybel cheese

i'm not eating anything but i made myself a quesadilla with mushrooms and leftover grilled chicken breast

later i may or may not have a bubble tea

A bite of some gluten-free 'chocolate' 'muffin' thing the gf was eating, not bad, not bad

starting oppositional threads is traditional, like squelching "Israel to world: suck it" with "MENA" (which no one ever heard of)

Friday, February 22, 2019 7:56 PM Site Nerdstrom Poindexter has been banned permanently. 51
Friday, February 22, 2019 7:04 PM Site Nerdstrom Poindexter has been banned permanently. 51

the SYSTEM works

Making it all the way to 51 in this era of ILX is noteworthy. I’m sympathize to Dr casino’s arguments that 51 is too high to be useful, but it does ensure that whoever crosses the threshold is inner circle hall of fame

we'll all be deprived of his posts about how many conference calls he's going on now

messi's feats are actually more impressively than the actual figures when taken in context, and this is like that

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Lol. I was against it but congratulatins kevin

this was a bad move, guys

peace, man and treeship are on the right track here

to add to it, another issue is that ilx rules are applied extremely inconsistently so the ruling is unfair whichever way you slice it

on the receiving end of the banned user, it appears as if ilx is cliquey and hive-minded, which is actually just an illusion that even some ilx'ers buy into, but it nevertheless feeds into that corrupt ideology

we are better than this

being 51d is not a rule

the logic that at 51 a user is banned is a rule that is actually written into the code of this message board

we all live in the matrix at some level mannnnn

I know your name is my name too but who the fuck are you

i urge you to stop overdosing on red pills, neo

besides i quite like the tribute to american politics that had him a candidate for president right up until he was nuked.

xp v clever, v clever. welcome btw!

happy to be here

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ah glem

I like you guys, but this is a bad thread

The ends justified the means.

i say let justice be done though the heavens fall

John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt don't take this the wrong way but are you gabbneb

I do like that name, it was one of the jokey songs of my childhood

his name is my name too

i'm just another john smith

just as average, just as plain

The ciiiiiiiircle of life.

Than you to all my fellow 51ers

can we move on to banning fred now?

Fred's been banned previously, let it happen organically if it must happen. He's not trolling at least

I am generally against banning posters and don’t think fred and nerdstrom are really of the same fiber. fred infuriates me on a daily basis, but he’s clearly a thoughtful person, and, agree or disagree with him, there is at least some semblance of humanity in whatever he’s saying. nerdstrom posted here solely to get a rise out of other posters and never displayed anything resembling original, considered thought. he was a troll and no one will miss him.

I really like Frederik. if you all would ban him I'm thinking I would want to be a part of this message board

*NOT want

amazed I could fuck up a statement so simple

freddian slip

Fred is real. Fred doesn't have 24 phone conferences today but will be posting donut twitter posts passim, no matter the lack of context

lol

If people are going to rise to NP's bait then threads will turn into insult trading and nonsense. No point killfiling because threads will still be full of other peoples insults and retorts back, which means you have to killfile them too, and even then the topic is derailed because the energy is sucked out of topic and into this, thread becomes unusable anyway.

As narcissism lives off validation and attention, only real answer is "is the post I'm about to respond to, actually worth responding to, or am I being had?".

ban me too pls

love an old-fashioned tar and feathering, but anvil is right, alas

the problem with these type of threads is that for the miscreant of the title it probably enables their swilling brandy + cackling like a bond villain/jizzathon stage of attention seeking. Yet here I am irresistibly feeding the garbage fire!

It is a necessary part of the ritual

it probably enables their swilling brandy + cackling like a bond villain/jizzathon stage of attention seeking

not necessarily a problem with this, having a person dedicated thread where the person can do battle with their opponents can be another way of taking that out of whichever thread happens to be hosting it at the time. Nested threads like on reddit would fix the issue better as it wouldn't derail from the content related parts of a thread and could easily be collapsed for people who didn't want to participate

i just want to note for the record that though the message says "banned permanently" as long as i've known it a 51 isn't actually a permaban and will expire (though maybe this has changed and i don't know what i'm talking about)

and i don't think that one disliked poster getting 51'd is in any way a wider commentary on the fairness or not of "the system" any more than a guilty person getting convicted is a commentary on the fairness of the justice system

that said i do think the "system" works, because the mods are pretty diligent here about issuing permabans to the most egregious shitposters

the problem with these type of threads is that for the miscreant of the title it probably enables their swilling brandy + cackling like a bond villain/jizzathon stage of attention seeking. Yet here I am irresistibly feeding the garbage fire!

― calzino, Saturday, February 23, 2019 8:46 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Telling tales out of school here, but oone of the things I hated worst about modding was seeing good people like Fredrik get 51'd twice while you only accrue a handful of FP's, despite your mewling, telephone toughguy posting style.

FP'd you for that appalling lapse of taste, regretfully

Keeping my opinions about various posters private, I will say that I would most like to ban people who engage with the people they want to 51, instead of ignoring them. My killfile does quite well at blocking the incomprehensibles, the imbeciles, the assholes, the attention-seekers. But then there are decent posters who engage with those I've blocked, and this is what really ruins threads. Just ignore the bad posts! If that means quitting ILX then so be it. But it is unlikely you will change consistency lousy posters.

xp It's ok. I can take the heat.

I'm just off to order some pizzas (in a threatening manner) .

I like Fred too but and I'm betting most of FPs he collects he deserves and the one time (I think?) he was banned he deserved that too.

fred is a good poster and a lot of the digs are based on historical performance and look i was fuckin harsh on the guy back then

peace, man and calz good eggs both, probably a style clash there

how's life/peace, man innit?

I prefer my trolls angry to snidey

I've only been banned once. So far. It'll definitely happen again once the cult of Bernie gets back at it.

good mourning!!

(just kidding, most of my fp's are from discussions about racism)

good job all, thank you.

re: not feeding the trolls/"just ignore him": this is easy to say but the result can be threads full of trolly and/or hateful shit that just sits there unremarked. what does this say to the casual poster or lurker about what kind of discussion space this is? what does it say to those whose hardships are being mocked for trolLOLz if the community at large were to conclude "this doesn't bother me much"? getting shed of bad-faith posters like NP actually boosts my faith in ilx a bit.

Not much hateful shit here and trolling requires response to be trolling no?

I mean the us politics threads have so many bad posts already that the only difference I see between ones branded as trolling and not are that the “trolling” ones spur “discussion”.

Do you include your own posts as bad ones?

Anyway well done on this I was aware of Nerdstrom for one week and having Fred around is enough.

hap-py days are here a-gain...

ban the tankie

Yeah, personal attacks are never ok. But again, if every poster that uses personal attacks was a troll...

― Frederik B, Friday, 22 February 2019 23:47 (yesterday)Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Saying a guy who constantly repeats the tankie talkpoints is a tankie is not a personal attack, that's like calling Nerdstrom a centrist. Constantly attacking other posters over what they do for a living, that's a personal attack.

What about calling someone 'deranged'?

ah cmon

Poor Fred.

I admire your brass neck, Fred, but you've attacked people personally on plenty of occasions.

fred took his lumps and imo has only generally given as good as he has gotten since his ban

Fred has attacked plenty of ppl who are really civil and somehow manage to maintain it. There are plenty of saints in this board.

let he without sin

I've only been banned once. So far. It'll definitely happen again once the cult of Bernie gets back at it.

― Frederik B, Saturday, February 23, 2019 12:39 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Are you sure? Maybe you just got extremely close the other time then.

how's life/peace, man innit?

― calzino, Saturday, February 23, 2019 12:38 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ay.

I'm not bothered especially, but maybe get off the high horse on that one, Fred. Amusing spectacle though it is.

Fred is not the only one that can talk tough. Here is an example from the real world:

Corbyn has limited time to stop a new tranche of MPs choosing to sit as an separate Labour group. He has been told to change, requiring him to back a People’s Vote, set up a credibly-run inquiry into anti-semitism, and reorganise his office. Purify or mollify. His choice.

— Patrick Wintour (@patrickwintour) February 22, 2019

I'm not saying ban the tankie because he is mean. I'm saying there's never going to be anything of value in the ramblings of a cognitively impaired stalinist, so just get rid of him. That he's also deranged and an asshole, that's just icing on the cake.

(How's that for dismounting? But seriously, he started ranting that people like me were the reason North Korea had to have nukes. Utterly deranged)

Fred:

me when someone badmouths the filet o fish pic.twitter.com/zvLfl5RSRl

— a a dril (@demarionunn) February 13, 2019

i would ask that the court discharge me from my duties and appoint new counsel

lol

If the court wants a compromise you could ban the British instead?

I'm not British I just live here.

xyz returning to politics threads sucks

my other opinion is that nerdstrom had it coming bc he was being a huge asshole

They are good, civil opinions <-- and that is my first opinion on Brad.

"I've only been banned once. So far. It'll definitely happen again once the cult of Bernie gets back at it.

― Frederik B"

because god forbid one takes the message from being 51'd that "hey maybe i should take it down a notch" or that one exercises self-control in one's posting behaviour

"Keeping my opinions about various posters private, I will say that I would most like to ban people who engage with the people they want to 51, instead of ignoring them. My killfile does quite well at blocking the incomprehensibles, the imbeciles, the assholes, the attention-seekers. But then there are decent posters who engage with those I've blocked, and this is what really ruins threads. Just ignore the bad posts! If that means quitting ILX then so be it. But it is unlikely you will change consistency lousy posters.

― L'assie (Euler)"

i understand the frustration but killfiling is an individual solution to a social problem. it's like trying to address global warming by buying more energy efficient lightbulbs.

a general comment: i think humanity has a bias in these sorts of situations, where we perceive the potential loss of a poster, even a shitposter, more strongly than the potential gain from posters who are being marginalized and excluded by the shitposter's fractious and belligerent style (i'm not talking about myself, the main politics threads aren't anything i'd touch with a ten foot pole these days). over time i've come to understand how much of an obstacle to open discourse abusive people are (not talking about nerdstrom specifically because i didn't touch the politics threads with a ten-foot pole)

I will say that I would most like to ban people who engage with the people they want to 51, instead of ignoring them.

What a ludicrous opinion. As if anyone is going to read your brain on who is a "lousy poster" and do what you want just because they are 'liked' by you.

If you're trying to test whether I've killfiled you yet, xyzzzzz, no, I haven't, yet.

At the risk of breaking my own suggestion, though, my thought was that discourse here suffers more from people responding to bad posts than it does from the bad posts themselves. Would Geir have stayed here so long had people just passed over his small-minded posts? I doubt it. He enjoyed the attention, and thought that engagement indicated that his opinions could be shared by others. We are not talking about Holocaust denial here: these bad posts aren't hate speech. I need no agreement on what constitutes a bad post: simply that the tendency here (and elsewhere) to respond to bad posts is (for me) more aggravating than the bad posts themselves.

Euler, that's fine for you but if it results in threads full of bad, mean, small-minded posts then it means the only good posters here would also be the ones with extra thick skins and the energy to sift through that. and also with enough perspective to conclude that when posters pass over someone who keeps mean-spiritedly mocking you, that it's probably because they have them killfiled, not because they support or accept it. it's better to be a community that actually polices this stuff and gets rotten posters out the door.

I wasn't checking Euler (I've been here for too long to worry about who reads what I post on here).

I'd rather people held each other accountable too - that is more likely to be the better option.

Geir is like an odd example. To you he is small-minded but iirc people were interested in what he was coming up with - it wasn't that he was bad or good, just not something you run to everyday. That did wear people down over time. Did he leave or was he banned?

he posted last week

I doubt Geir was ever banned, was he here in the FP era anyway?

Cool I don't read ILM as much anymore. xp = he was here before FP I think

Geir is an interesting and endearing eccentric who sometimes drives you nuts with his hobby horse but isn't a troll imo

the day he turned up was lolz and tom had to post that Geir was really who he said he was

after being a bogey man to those from the usenet group who knew him in tht 90s

I think he left.

Doctor Casino I don't think there is a single community on the politics threads, and so I'm not sure how to think about community policing. Some view the threads as mere news, a place to dumb tweets without their own take; others, as a place for political advocacy; others, as a place to express their political discontent; and so on. The latter two ends don't mesh together well, and indeed neither constitutes a single outlook; so what counts as needing policing varies. I suppose if 51 people want someone gone then there's enough collective will to push someone out; but it's cases with less support that annoy (i.e. when people complain about Morbius for instance).

Not everyone agrees who the bad posters are—ignoring is not a good option.

I think banning nerdstrom for his posts to dr c is appropriate, but if the ban was for general obtuseness that’s a little weirder. I think thr board benefits from “divisive” posters like xyzz and fred more than from people who go along with consensus like *redacted* or *redacted*, especially as there is a very real tendency here for each thread to become a chorus of the same five people saying the same five familiar things with increasing moral stridency.

meant "dump tweets" but my slip also works

"there is a very real tendency here for each thread to become a chorus of the same five people saying the same five familiar things with increasing moral stridency"

yes this is why the us politics threads are so bad (not being sarcastic, I genuinely agree!)

And like geir is a perfect example of annoying but valuable poster. I wasn’t here for his heyday but he had a totally weird but consistent viewpoint that was definitely his own.

his consistency though was what made him useless. he said the same...one thing with...the same but high stridency.

I think we have to accept there will be people like that. The posters who everyone can agree on as being Ok are generally people who echo the consensus and tend not to say anything new.

When you start rooting out people because they are misfits it’s a step toward homogeneity. There are too many other places that are self selecting echo chambers.

I doubt Geir's more outré theorizing on race, class and music could survive in the FP era of ILX tbh.

Employment of killfiling on ILX, of all the spaces on the internet, makes me wonder how people even get through a day irl. And I'm speaking as someone with a somewhat delicate constitution here.

Idk abt that side of geir lol. I knew the “melody” vs “rhythm”
thing could get dodgy lol.

People should use killfile instead of writing “post less” to people who they simply disagree with, which is nasty and the kind of attitude that leads to a stupidly constricting atmosphere.

Class etc. Pt. 3 - why does African American audiences completely ignore indie, prog etc?

talking abt this in terms of conformity or maintaining a bubble with no disagreement is muddying the waters imo - nobody has ever got to 51 just for being a "misfit" or having controversial opinions. it's very hard to get people there even when they're being egregious assholes!

i really don't get why this is so weird. every worthwhile group i was ever a part of online had mods and ban powers, and usually an faq saying things like "don't flame" "don't be a troll," etc.

Saying xyzzz is valuable is like saying Sean Hannity is valuable. Otherwise, the coverage of Seth Rich is just too homogenous.

Is that true? What did fred do to get banned?

xp

Technically, I complained to loudly about deems calling me a cunt...

Oh yeah. That was culturally insensitive though because in ireland and the Uk it’s a very lightly used term. In america if you say that though, you get shunned by everyone immediately and forever

Once a uk ilxor called me that on my facebook wall and my girlfriend at the time demanded to know who this misogynist was i was friends with

Sure, I was being a right cunt about it.

Frederik where do you stand on americans doing danish or accents for comedic effect? This is one of my most popular party tricks—i picked it up when doing a semester in copenhagen.

Danish accents are atrocious, whether comedic or not. Banbanban.

It’s a very affectionate impression but still

https://medias.nova-cinema.org/local/cache-vignettes/L500xH333/thekingdom-0d273.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm_MklkxweY

banbanbanbanban

When you start rooting out people because they are misfits it’s a step toward homogeneity. There are too many other places that are self selecting echo chambers.

― Trϵϵship

"misfit" does not equal "loud, obnoxious asshole". my experience is that the chief effect of "rooting out" loud, obnoxious assholes is to provide opportunities for people who aren't loud, obnoxious assholes, with a side order of encouraging people with a slight tendency to behave like loud, obnoxious assholes to rein it in a little.

as for "echo chamber" i guess we could be spending all our time here yelling at each other over whether global warming is a vast scientific conspiracy. some shit just isn't worth arguing about!

I agree that bad posters should be banned before multiple threads devolve into clowning on them but the unelected ilx moderators in brussels are not very proactive about issuing, say, increasingly lengthy timeouts to disruptive posters, which would be a better corrective imo than having to collect a mob to 51 them out on a rail when things hit a tipping point. It truly has nothing to do with dissenting opinions

It’s a balance

Like come on if we didn’t tolerate dissenting opinions there’s be ban Mordy threads! But as it is only like eight people want to ban Mordy

xp

me reading THIS thread:
http://www.brushflicks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/ugly-medieval-cats-art-105-5aafb04871c4f__700.jpg

Disclaimer: That’s an estimate I don’t have a list of people who want to ban Mordy and I’m not a moderator

Mordy’s opinions are only slightly different from y’all’s though. Also he is intelligent so people don’t want to get rid of him. That’s too much to ask of people

"i really don't get why this is so weird. every worthwhile group i was ever a part of online had mods and ban powers, and usually an faq saying things like "don't flame" "don't be a troll," etc."

the problem again is what makes someone a troll? I'm gonna quit the us politics threads so that I don't burn out on ILX entirely, so I acknowledge there's a problem, but I guess I didn't see why nerdstrom was any worse than other posters I'm not gonna name who post a lot in those threads. I felt the same way about gabbnebb tbh (who I agree is the same person). he had his agenda, but so do the other heavy posters there. is it chiefly that his agenda is at odds with the "acceptable" agenda there? given that you tolerate Morbius' spew it doesn't seem that it was his unpleasantness that singled him out.

gabbneb and nerdstrom were different for the purpose of discussion. gabbneb was like, creepy and patrician. I pictured a skeleton with a wig and ruffled collar.

a weird thing about ilx is how some of the most frequent and recognizable posters are also the ones who often describe the place in terms of hiveminds, homogeneity, etc., like they don't recognize their own existence within ilx

Treesh we all treasure u but it won’t profit you any to stand up for the brick-throwing losers who have a painful addiction to coming in and shutting down threads with their dismal thoughtlording. This isn’t the agora of Athens, by god

To me it is kinda lol.

I suggest you take an undergraduate philosophy seminar instead in that case

lots of ppl want rid of dangerous influence mordy

some very threatened ppl around the place

someone upthread wrote a very good and clear post about why gabbnerd was different to xyz or fred or, god forbid, me

and we've got a litany of excellent threads about why community-voted bans are good i highly recommend reading them they are some peak ilx lawyering

its true that it should now be 31 tho

Oh, have the mechanics and philosophy of bannings been discussed previously? I must have missed that. Weird!

its never the wrong time and the board has changed a lot since (it was good then)

gabbneb and nerdstrom were different for the purpose of discussion. gabbneb was like, creepy and patrician. I pictured a skeleton with a wig and ruffled collar.

lol

Nobody wants to ban Mordy. Unlike Fred, xyz has never been banned or, as far as I'm aware, come close to being banned - but Fred is right and everyone else is wrong and that provokes ill feeling.

nerdstrom's entire posting style was out of the troll playbook, down to his dodges and subject changes and attempted judo flips when he got called out for it, and repeated refusal to address the substance of the objections to his posting style. if he didn't read that way to you, all i can say is that he got 51'ed, and as evidenced by the survival of morbz, you don't get to 51 if just a few people perceive you as a troll.

"Fred is right and everyone else is wrong"

tom do you want to go back and check the other two names you just typed?

i like

i like all three of em but they each go for long runs under that banner bytimes

Nah, if Mordy thought he was 100% right about something he'd disagree with himself just for the sake of it.

nerdstrom got to 51 because there was a thread that turned the floodlight on him xp

A compelling argument for ban threads

^^^

I don’t think morbius is a troll

neither do i (tho he's riding the line, often). so the system works.

morbs is among the most idealistic and sincere of ilxors. he just has a pungent way of showing it.

morbs is good, np is a troll, glad to see the back of him but this thread was a bad idea imo

Is that true? What did fred do to get banned?

― Trϵϵship, Saturday, 23 February 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

xp

― Trϵϵship, Saturday, 23 February 2019 Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

You mean you didn't notice the sanity that took over the film threads for that month?

not "victim"-blaming but if you think someone is a troll or a creep do not engage, do not reply, do not acknowledge.

fwiw, when Nerdstrom entered this thread and posted his response, ending with:

But here we have teachable moment for all of us. Surrendering to these petty and abusive calls for my removable would be failing the test of this moment.

he pretty much tattooed "I'm as phony as a three dollar bill" on his face.

nerdstrom got to 51 because there was a thread that turned the floodlight on him xp

― Trϵϵship

For the sake of clarity, he was at around 48 before the thread even got started.

But that's my one contribution to this thread, you guys have fun clusterfucking some more <3

Nice

nerdstrom's entire posting style was out of the troll playbook, down to his dodges and subject changes and attempted judo flips when he got called out for it, and repeated refusal to address the substance of the objections to his posting style. if he didn't read that way to you, all i can say is that he got 51'ed, and as evidenced by the survival of morbz, you don't get to 51 if just a few people perceive you as a troll.

― |Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Saturday, February 23, 2019 12:37 PM (eighteen minutes ago)

exactly, and other than treeship, who is just too kind a soul for his own good, it's pretty clear that most of the objections are coming from people who haven't really interacted with the guy. the comparisons to people like fred and mordy are frankly ridiculous -- sure, they are frequent dissenters on those threads, and ok, in fred's case especially, he seems to delight in the attention that receives, but there is a basic intelligence, humor, and humanity there that makes them valuable members of the community. nerdstrom, in addition to barely being able write in complete sentences, existed on those threads solely to inflame other posters. he was a textbook troll. there is no redeeming quality to his existence that needs to be defended, no slippery slope to worry about. the board is better without him

not "victim"-blaming but if you think someone is a troll or a creep do not engage, do not reply, do not acknowledge.

― omar little

how long before this approach is conclusively debunked? if you ignore a troll they don't go away, they escalate.

In all honesty NP mostly posted tweets about stupid stuff Nina Turner was doing?

i don't really agree tbh, trolls like attention.

I mean I went to pretty extreme lengths a decade or so ago, in my early twenties, arguing against suggest ban or banning pretty much anyone with something, ANYTHING, valuable to contribute to this board. it was a long time ago, but I still feel the same.

and honestly the fact that doctor casino, one of the soberest, most easygoing, and thoughtful posters on the politics threads or any threads wants this guy gone should be a pretty obvious clue

absolutely ban trolls btw, but also don't actively engage with them.

and ok, in fred's case especially, he seems to delight in the attention that receives, but there is a basic intelligence, humor, and humanity there that makes them valuable members of the community.

I'm sorry but how much have you interacted with this guy?

He has been told that Nerdstrom laughed at Doctor Casino's terrible misfortune and he is still defending him.

I said personal attacks were never okay, you lying sack of shit.

i don't really agree tbh, trolls like attention.

― omar little

which is why they escalate if they're ignored, yes

And no, that's not at all a paradoxical sentence...

haha no I take that back you are funny every now and then

I said personal attacks were never okay, you lying sack of shit.

Classic post.

i've never seen an ILX troll post on a thread where they're totally ignored and continue to escalate on that thread if they're continuously ignored. the problem is most of the time they're not ignored, so it does keep going.

His comments on DC were bad. Doesn't make him a troll. People on this thread are defending Morbs as well, so, y'know. You're a fucking piece of shit.

you are so thoughtful trying to see nuance for Nerdstrom we are lucky to have you.

#banthetankie

look what ye made me do

i've never seen an ILX troll post on a thread where they're totally ignored and continue to escalate on that thread if they're continuously ignored.

― omar little

i've never seen a kano transformation

i dont know what a tracker mortgage is

"ignore the troll" is not good advice when u can "help ban the troll"

euler otm, ilx politics threads are full of angry people acting shitty toward each other, kinda surprised anyone thought nerdstrom's behavior was beyond the pale but maybe i just wasn't paying close enough attention

i've never seen an ILX troll post on a thread where they're totally ignored and continue to escalate on that thread if they're continuously ignored.

― omar little

https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-10-2017/jmyENo.gif

xp you mustnt have been, he was horrifically insincere in his movements tbh and im an anti-sincerity advocate but

did i post this already? i think i typed it out and deleted it. but basically, politics threads are messy because politics are messy. there are very few irl conversations about politics that don't devolve into something kind of ugly at some point. i say all this defensively, of course, because i'm all over the politics threads and people shit all over the politics threads

there are very few irl conversations about politics that don't devolve into something kind of ugly at some point

really? i have conversations about politics all the time IRL - daily, honestly - that don't get ugly

if you're talking about the politics conversations on the internet, then i suppose i agree

ilx went another way quite a few years back

Going onto a thread for Sanders supporters and posting stuff like "I pray to God it won't happen but maybe he will die peacefully in his sleep during the campaign; only, then, who will his stans blame?" and "how will we preserve our standing to criticize other candidates when his campaign co-chair said this thing on TV three years ago?" was blatant concern trolling. There might be a valid case to be made that ilx should have never had a fan club thread for a politician in the first place and that trolling was therefore justified but the first comment was still in p poor taste imo and got a rare FP from me.

I'm not even taking a strong pro-banning position here but I do think it makes sense to say NP was trolling.

fwiw, when Nerdstrom entered this thread and posted his response, ending with:

"But here we have teachable moment for all of us. Surrendering to these petty and abusive calls for my removable would be failing the test of this moment."

he pretty much tattooed "I'm as phony as a three dollar bill" on his face.

― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, February 23, 2019 1:29 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

maybe he's just super corny

Lots of ppl on ilx0r dot com are perfectly reasonable and fun, multi-faceted personalities across most threads but flare up into intractable beasts on one topic or bugbear

Also a few who do it vice versa

ha

how dare dare u, there is nothing 'fun' or 'multi-faceted' about me, this is bullshit, this whole place is bullshit I tell u

Going onto a thread for Sanders supporters and posting stuff like "I pray to God it won't happen but maybe he will die peacefully in his sleep during the campaign; only, then, who will his stans blame?"

FTR I said almost the exact same thing a week or so before he did.

your politics thread posts are very similarly useless, meta, and mean, as you well know

can we unban yandex.com and 176.36.21.189 ?

i miss their political wisdom

As with all things, this place is far more agreeable when politics are kept off the table. I've been mulling this over lately, and have come to the conclusion that furiously keeping up with political drama hasn't made me a more ethical person by any stretch of the imagination – once or twice a week is more than enough. That said, I'm pretty sure that nerdstrom was a bona fide troll. Dissenting opinions aren't suppressed by the mods so much as they are drowned out by the eternally self-replicating closet juggalo hivemind.

we used be able to have politics threads it was fine

rancour and trolling were both more generally accepted and more generally present and it was good actually not bad

now nope

and its bad actually not good

i dont think that whats changed is that we now have politics

bizarro's remains the only good and scientific explanation why is he so slept on

So you say, deems, then you go and pick a bone with alter egos.

You may be right, though. When everyone's a troll, no one is.

less that subtle difference between that and what im getting at tbh

I'm tempted to start a thread wherein we discuss subtle resemblances between ILX and 4chan.

thanks for the kind words, k3vin.

drowned out by the eternally self-replicating closet juggalo hivemind.

new board description

'Closet' being the only sticking point. I can't be the only one down with the clown and posting in full greasepaint 24/7.

bizarro's remains the only good and scientific explanation why is he so slept on

Dissenting opinions aren't suppressed by the mods so much as they are drowned out by the eternally self-replicating closet juggalo hivemind.

― pomenitul

that's "fully automated luxury juggalo gay space communist" to you

FTR I said almost the exact same thing a week or so before he did.

Arguably, that might have merited a FP as well. (But I didn't give it one.) I guess it felt less trollish since it was on the "second thoughts" thread in the first place and wasn't presented with a pretence of being a concerned supporter.

Theories have been advanced

who is Gummy Gummy?

P sure GG = amateurist

Theories have been advanced

― moose; squirrel (silby), Tuesday, April 2, 2019 3:09 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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In retrospect, banning seems like it was probably going too far tbh.

He never got unbanned, did he?

no

There was this one time when I lived in a basement apartment and we had like a half dozen friends over on a summer evening and we were just kinda hovering around the open front door gabbing and enjoying some drinks when suddenly this total rando comes from out of nowhere and just like dives over the railing of our steps and struts in like he owns the place, to the baffled stares of everyone in attendance. He thought he was crashing a party but no. I was kinda embarrassed for him and his seeming inability to read social cues. Don't know why I just remembered that anecdote.

He got 51ed i mean