US Politics May 2019: " If I was burned at the stake, I would ask for a mirror"

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recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:04 (six years ago)

so the Corpse of Grassley returns to a familiar right wing fever swamp talking point.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:07 (six years ago)

reptile Grassley: are you looking into whether Steele dossier is russian disinfo?

if the senate had an 8chan caucus

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:08 (six years ago)

it's fucking maddening !! omg!!

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:09 (six years ago)

destroy the senate imo

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:10 (six years ago)

Feinstein and Leahy sound like they are recapping yesterday's bingo game over soft food

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:12 (six years ago)

did Leahy have his voice box removed ?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:15 (six years ago)

Leahy's got a voice box

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:16 (six years ago)

wow what a petulant disingenuous piece of shit this guy is

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:18 (six years ago)

thanks obama

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:19 (six years ago)

well surely all thanks need to go McConnell's way.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:21 (six years ago)

lol it's someones elses fault for not warning Trump about Russia ! omg this is despicable

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:25 (six years ago)

Thank you, @atrupar!

Lindsey Graham saying "Trump is a fucking idiot" on loop.🤣🤣🤣#BarrLied #barrhearing #wednesdaywisdom pic.twitter.com/CBNJ5Q7jfK

— Holly Figueroa O'Reilly (@AynRandPaulRyan) May 1, 2019

Tiltin' My Lens Photography (stevie), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:44 (six years ago)

Subject header of White House Email sent minutes ago might apply to our country as well:

Don’t Call it a Coup. Venezuelans Have a Right to Replace an Oppressive, Toxic Regime.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:48 (six years ago)

Venezuelans are Clapping Back at Maduro’s Toxic Masculinity and We Are Here For It.

JoeStork, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:54 (six years ago)

oh, good morning!

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 15:56 (six years ago)

https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/bj87x0/im_will_witt_political_influencer_for_prageru_ask/?sort=top

lmao this is awesome

frogbs, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 16:23 (six years ago)

Hi Will, thanks for doing this AMA! My wife's boyfriend and I are huge fans of yours!

Simon H., Wednesday, 1 May 2019 16:25 (six years ago)

March 5: The Special Counsel meets with Barr and informs him that “the introductions and executive summaries of our two-volume report accurately summarize this Office’s work and conclusions.”

March 24, early afternoon: The Special Counsel reiterates the purpose of the Mueller report’s executive summaries and introductions.

March 24, late afternoon: Barr sends his now-notorious letter to Congress, which was made public immediately, purporting to outline the Mueller report’s top-line conclusions.

March 25, morning: The Special Counsel’s office informs the Justice Department that his letter to Congress “did not fully capture the context, nature, and substance of this Office’s work and conclusions.” It’s not clear who communicated with whom in this instance, or in what form.

March 27: Mueller sends a letter to Barr complaining about the March 24 letter and urging him to release the executive summaries.

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 16:25 (six years ago)

Favourite flavour of boot?

Lars Ulriac Quintet (Leee), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 17:21 (six years ago)

Ben Sasse going rogue

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 17:22 (six years ago)

Hirono killin it

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 18:03 (six years ago)

Well its all being recorded and at some point in the future people will be able to look back and see who's trying to pass themselves off as the voice of conscience.
Cruz bleurrgh. & everybody else here who thinks that being a stooge is a noble pursuit.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 18:45 (six years ago)

in the future these people will all be in crypts made of gold

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 18:50 (six years ago)

it ith over.

can't believe that. BS.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 19:19 (six years ago)

If Mueller was so concerned about this shit maybe he should have come to a real conclusion instead of concluding with " Maaaaaaybe? What do you think?"

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 19:43 (six years ago)

the report concluded that there was insufficient evidence to lay charges regarding any treasonous stuff with russia and washed its hands of making judgements about obstruction.

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 19:45 (six years ago)

so it was conclusive in its own way.

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 19:46 (six years ago)

If Mueller was so concerned about this shit maybe he should have come to a real conclusion instead of concluding with " Maaaaaaybe? What do you think?"


Not if he intended to follow the law and his charge—that’s the idea. In fact, Barr’s treatment of the material after the fact was the big fuck up in terms of what the DOJ can and can’t do.

Mueller didn’t charge obstruction out of fairness TO the president, based on current DOJ policy—not to make things look more damning than they were.

unashamed and trash (Unctious), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 19:52 (six years ago)

Constitutional crisis yet?
Or has it been like that for the last while.
I don't think history is going to be overly kind to senator Graham, probably not the Hon Major Barr neither.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 1 May 2019 19:52 (six years ago)

Bruh we be in constitutional crisis mode for a while

unashamed and trash (Unctious), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 19:56 (six years ago)

Taibbi and Greenwald's tweets p much all "im not owned! im not owned!" at this point

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 1 May 2019 20:27 (six years ago)

every day or so I have that stark realization that OMG this government is really deeply corrupt

akm, Thursday, 2 May 2019 00:43 (six years ago)

Until I have proof that Greenwald wasn't involved in outing Reality Winner, he's in the shitbox for me.

nonsense upon stilts (Sanpaku), Thursday, 2 May 2019 01:28 (six years ago)

Yeah this is fun seeing checks and balances crumbling before our eyes. And knowing that the damage this administration is doing could last a generation or until the end of the USA as we once knew it. Another check mark in the “don’t have children” column.

Still seeing effects of Reagan manifesting, can’t imagine what long term pain Trump will deliver us.

circa1916, Thursday, 2 May 2019 01:56 (six years ago)

Yeah this is fun seeing checks and balances crumbling before our eyes. And knowing that the damage this administration is doing could last a generation or until the end of the USA as we once knew it. Another check mark in the “don’t have children” column.

Still seeing effects of Reagan manifesting, can’t imagine what long term pain Trump will deliver us.

If you’re still seeing the Gipper, kids were probably moot anyway, right?

lion in winter, Thursday, 2 May 2019 06:20 (six years ago)

There was one thing that it appears they are trying to taken as a given, that there was heavy Russian interference in the 2016 election. Not sure to what extent GOP were admitting that previously. But that was the point of the Marsha Blackburn spiel wasn't it?
Apart from that bizarro take on who was behaving in an unprecedented way. That actually sounded like if taken outof context she might have had a point, sounded like it would apply to Barr's behaviour and it took me a moment to realise she was actually talking about the Dems. I was hoping it might be a sign of some GOP discontent with the current farcical state. But they do seem to be turning into a monolithic whole don't they?

Stevolende, Thursday, 2 May 2019 08:39 (six years ago)

power is power

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 2 May 2019 08:48 (six years ago)

It is astonishing in retrospect how quickly we went from “Iran-Contra is no big deal” to “the Clintons secretly murdered a bunch of their political opponents!” in the space of about five years back in the 1990s.

— David Walsh (@DavidAstinWalsh) May 2, 2019

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 May 2019 12:24 (six years ago)

is it, though?

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 2 May 2019 14:01 (six years ago)

uhhh so Barr was subpoenaed didn't show up for his hearing

time to find out if the executive branch is going to have any oversight whatsoever

frogbs, Thursday, 2 May 2019 14:03 (six years ago)

Legislative, that is

I love a good constitutional crisis in the morning

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 2 May 2019 14:10 (six years ago)

Begin the impeachment process now

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Thursday, 2 May 2019 14:12 (six years ago)

Jerry Nadler to reporters: "We will make one more good faith attempt to negotiate and to get the access to the report that we need, and then, if we don't get that, we will proceed to hold the attorney general in contempt and we'll go from there."

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) May 2, 2019

why do you keep giving these people chances. arrest him now

frogbs, Thursday, 2 May 2019 14:25 (six years ago)

Impeachment needed on at least 2 people.
Anybody else need a nice bit of impeachment?
Kavanagh? Do you get a better rate for multiples?

Stevolende, Thursday, 2 May 2019 14:26 (six years ago)

like for once can you spineless idiots just do what the majority of the country that voted you in wants you to do

frogbs, Thursday, 2 May 2019 14:26 (six years ago)

Democrats ain’t going to do a thing. Wake me up when a single WH staff member or agency executive is sitting in jail for contempt.

The law is a grand, mutual delusion. It requires at least 51% to believe in it for it to work. Republicans no longer believe in it, so Dems are only talking to themselves with this rule of law nonsense.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Thursday, 2 May 2019 14:28 (six years ago)

Gilead!

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Thursday, 2 May 2019 14:35 (six years ago)

Dems are just doing the same shit I do to my 4 year old

Last chance!!!
This is your last warning!!!
I'm gonna count to 5...
If you don't testify right this instant, I'm holding you in contempt!
I'm warning you!!!
bUddy yOuR on THin IcE

frogbs, Thursday, 2 May 2019 14:37 (six years ago)

Sarah Sanders went out on the WH lawn this morning talking some serious shit abt Nadler, clearly provoking him.

I do think they will hold Barr in contempt, whether or not they have the stones to fine much less jail anybody is obv a different matter

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 2 May 2019 15:15 (six years ago)

ooh perhaps he will be censured! that'll show him!

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Thursday, 2 May 2019 15:25 (six years ago)

it's kind of gutsy for sarah sanders to not hold a press conference for a couple months (except for a group of children on bring your kids to work day - i wish that was a joke) and still step out on the lawn to talk shit on a congressmen who is mad about the whole constitutional crisis thing

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 2 May 2019 15:30 (six years ago)

she sucks so much

maura, Thursday, 2 May 2019 15:34 (six years ago)

Adam Serwer: Barr is a fanatic

Barr’s involvement in the Iran-Contra scandal helps illuminate his conduct today. The administration of President Ronald Reagan had defied federal law by selling arms to Iran in order to fund right-wing guerrillas in Central America, a scandal that led to the appointment of an independent counsel and the convictions of several high-ranking administration officials. When George H.W. Bush took office, he pardoned six officials implicated by the investigation at Barr’s urging.

The Iran-Contra scandal itself speaks to the conception of executive power to which Barr subscribes: that a president can do whatever he wants, even if Congress bars him from doing so, particularly if he is acting in what he believes to be the interests of the country—Trump is famously incapable of distinguishing between national interests and personal ones, between loyalty to him and loyalty to the nation. As Reagan’s former national-security adviser, Robert McFarlane, put it, Reagan “just didn’t believe that it was a legitimate authority of the Congress to say that, that he, rather than the Congress, determined how he would conduct, in this case, the support of the freedom fighters.”

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 May 2019 15:35 (six years ago)

man i wish i could just stop doing huge parts of my job without any repercussions

michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 2 May 2019 15:35 (six years ago)

I know they stopped caring what anybody thinks a looooong time ago but (shame on me) Sanders still(!) surprises w/ the extent to which they do not give a single fuck

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 2 May 2019 15:40 (six years ago)

The not-giving-a-fuck is the point.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 2 May 2019 15:44 (six years ago)

It's about the fucks they don't give, man.

Ce Ce Penistongs (Old Lunch), Thursday, 2 May 2019 15:48 (six years ago)

but i was informed by thousands of memes and t-shirts and really bad jokes by the water cooler that it is cool to not give a fuck, and i was encouraged to try to count the number of fucks that various people give, and i counted zero in the picture that was provided and realized that in fact they were proud that i could not find any fucks, and it was supposed to be funny

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 2 May 2019 15:56 (six years ago)

and the office cool guy made every finger except for the middle one slowly go down by using a fake hand-crank device, and i heard someone say "amazeballs" from the other room

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 2 May 2019 15:58 (six years ago)

Serwer is so good

Frederik B, Thursday, 2 May 2019 16:02 (six years ago)

The not-giving-a-fuck is the point.


this being the supreme dgaf

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 2 May 2019 16:14 (six years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzHLTy33qWM

Hunt3r, Thursday, 2 May 2019 16:22 (six years ago)

not sure who needed to hear this today, but it’s ok not to be happy all the time. all that matters is that you #FeelYourWay. https://t.co/vPmy1sT0cC pic.twitter.com/XmF0GvMjCg

— Burger King (@BurgerKing) May 1, 2019


get your dgaf meal now

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 2 May 2019 16:36 (six years ago)

the return of Good Pelosi?

“What is deadly serious about it is the attorney general of the United States of America was not telling the truth to the Congress of the United States,” Speaker Nancy Pelosi told reporters on Thursday, referring to a House hearing in which he said he was unaware that the special counsel had protested his portrayal of his conclusions. “That’s a crime.”

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 2 May 2019 16:37 (six years ago)

stephen moore out

mookieproof, Thursday, 2 May 2019 16:38 (six years ago)

Damn, misread that as Miller for half a tick and felt an endorphin rush like you wouldn't believe.

Ce Ce Penistongs (Old Lunch), Thursday, 2 May 2019 16:51 (six years ago)

me too

the late great, Thursday, 2 May 2019 16:54 (six years ago)

same

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 2 May 2019 16:56 (six years ago)

Democrats need to give fewer fucks.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Thursday, 2 May 2019 16:57 (six years ago)

stephen miller out

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 2 May 2019 17:01 (six years ago)

sorry, just wanted to provide that endorphin rush again for everyone

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 2 May 2019 17:01 (six years ago)

haven't been able to unsee this

Barr is ABSOLUTELY Baby from Dinosaurs—duh, of course, it’s uncanny, you’re blind if you don’t see it—but it’s some pungent mix of hilarious and horrific that the Attorney General is just openly being a criminal and I’m just like “lmao he’s Baby from Dinosaurs.”

— bobby finger (@bobbyfinger) May 2, 2019

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 2 May 2019 17:05 (six years ago)

does anyone care about pelosi calling barr's actions a crime? seems kind of notable

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 2 May 2019 17:05 (six years ago)

lol caek

>Barr is ABSOLUTELY Baby from Dinosaurs—
Checks out pic.twitter.com/wEz91wmXut

— k kthxbye (@K_kthxbye) May 2, 2019

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 2 May 2019 17:07 (six years ago)

Here we go, here we fucking go

NEWS: Facebook has banned Louis Farrakhan, Alex Jones, InfoWars, Milo Yiannopoulos, Paul Joseph Watson, Laura Loomer and Paul Nehlen from its platforms after designating them "dangerous" https://t.co/Vpd6SEd9h7

— Oliver Darcy (@oliverdarcy) May 2, 2019

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 2 May 2019 18:25 (six years ago)

facebook is fucking shit

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 2 May 2019 18:29 (six years ago)

lol like any of those accounts are more dangerous than the president's

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 2 May 2019 18:54 (six years ago)

What do you call a bunch of assholes at the bottom of the garbage dump? A good start.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 May 2019 19:00 (six years ago)

i look forward to laura loomer handcuffing herself to the front door of facebook hq and live-streaming her protest via the only social media channel left open to her: two tin cans connected by a length of string

michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 2 May 2019 19:00 (six years ago)

Very diverse bunch of assholes, tbf. Progressive.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 2 May 2019 19:01 (six years ago)

lol like any of those accounts are more dangerous than the president's

what does Trump do on Facebook?

blokes you can't rust (sic), Thursday, 2 May 2019 20:00 (six years ago)

sell thirty dollar COLLUSION DELUSION t shirts

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 2 May 2019 20:05 (six years ago)

Also Posts Endgame Spoilers

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 2 May 2019 20:07 (six years ago)

...all of which involve fat-shaming Thor.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 2 May 2019 20:10 (six years ago)

what does Trump do on Facebook?
― blokes you can't rust (sic), Thursday, May 2, 2019 4:00 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh yeah I have no idea, I was conflating w twitter

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 2 May 2019 21:22 (six years ago)

What do people think of the Democratic questioning of Barr.
Heard criticism of method earlier including Maisie Hirono asking Barr if he thought the President's actions were ok.
I thought that if he answered it would at least have his position documented for history as an act of intentionality at least.
Seemed to be trying to dodge most responsibility.

Stevolende, Friday, 3 May 2019 11:57 (six years ago)

i meant to mention yesterday, re: complaints that democrats aren't immediately holding barr in contempt and launching a lawsuit:

In previous legal battles over the ambiguous line where Congress’s subpoena power ends and the president’s executive-privilege power begins, courts have said that the Constitution requires both sides to negotiate in good faith to find a solution. If nothing else, Mr. Nadler is establishing a record that House lawyers can point to in any such litigation as they urge a judge to find that the administration’s position is unreasonable.

i've seen that line of reasoning elsewhere recently - that they're taking their sweet time to ask barr politely, over and over, to provide the subpoenaed documents, because they'll need to be able to fully demonstrate later on that they gave them every reasonable opportunity to comply

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Friday, 3 May 2019 17:00 (six years ago)

btw, gotta admire the chutzpah of the barr/GOP argument that Barr shouldn't have shown up to yesterday's House Judiciary Committee meeting because it's not fair that Democrats would use an attorney to question him

https://i.imgur.com/SMpb0fb.jpg?1

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Friday, 3 May 2019 17:28 (six years ago)

you do not, under any circumstances, gotta admire the chutzpah

mookieproof, Friday, 3 May 2019 17:34 (six years ago)

Actually Trump is scheduled to announce an executive order this afternoon insisting that we all admire the chutzpah, sorry.

Ce Ce Penistongs (Old Lunch), Friday, 3 May 2019 17:36 (six years ago)

rubberneck the chutzpuh

Evan, Friday, 3 May 2019 17:36 (six years ago)

But that chutzpah, it is extraordinary

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Friday, 3 May 2019 17:37 (six years ago)

the Shareef don't like it

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 3 May 2019 17:37 (six years ago)

There is no point to him testifying anyway

Trϵϵship, Friday, 3 May 2019 17:38 (six years ago)

I want to hear from mueller

Trϵϵship, Friday, 3 May 2019 17:39 (six years ago)

there's no point to him testifying about the report, but there's definitely value in his testifying about the process, his cahoots w/ WH etc.

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 3 May 2019 17:40 (six years ago)

Right. And his earlier testimony in front of the house (apr 9) provides the moment that could eventually remove him from office (when he said he wasn’t aware that mueller had any issues with the Barr’s 4-pager, even though mueller had sent a letter and had a phone call about it with him)

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Friday, 3 May 2019 17:44 (six years ago)

President Donald Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin spoke Friday and both agreed "there was no collusion" between Moscow and Trump's 2016 presidential campaign, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said.

Sanders said that the two briefly discussed special counsel Robert Mueller's report "essentially in the context of that it's over and there was no collusion." She added that she was "pretty sure both leaders were very well aware of (the Mueller report's finding) long before this call took place" because it was "something we've said for the better part of two and a half years."

maura, Friday, 3 May 2019 19:40 (six years ago)

Reporters ask @realDonaldTrump about his call with #Putin, and specifically about #Putin's reaction to discussion of the #MuellerReport. "He smiled," Trump said.

— Mike Eckel (@Mike_Eckel) May 3, 2019

interesting/terrifying to see this guy's lifelong commitment to lying about literally everything clash with the fact that he's gone senile

frogbs, Friday, 3 May 2019 19:50 (six years ago)

"He smiled," Trump said.

So it was a Skype call? A Google Hangout?

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Friday, 3 May 2019 20:12 (six years ago)

bush could see putin's soul through his eyes
trump can sense his smile through the telephone

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Friday, 3 May 2019 20:14 (six years ago)

they were face-timing

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Friday, 3 May 2019 20:15 (six years ago)

Boys, I think America might be done for.

unashamed and trash (Unctious), Friday, 3 May 2019 20:28 (six years ago)

"This administration, unlike the previous one, takes election meddling seriously," she said

just on sheer audacity this is the tops

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 3 May 2019 20:40 (six years ago)

That 'taking meddling seriously' can be taken in several ways.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 3 May 2019 20:42 (six years ago)

at least we take it seriously enough to collaborate! Obama wouldn't even share voter data!

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 3 May 2019 20:43 (six years ago)

Who is the thread title quote from?

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 3 May 2019 21:03 (six years ago)

And wtf does it even mean?

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 3 May 2019 21:12 (six years ago)

I quoted somebody in the April thread. WTF does anything mean anymore?

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 May 2019 21:16 (six years ago)

I believe it's from "The Quotable Karl Malone", 2019 edition

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Friday, 3 May 2019 21:18 (six years ago)

pretty dumb quote imo

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Friday, 3 May 2019 21:19 (six years ago)

i think it was re: the way i was feeling when spending my wednesday morning listening to bill barr lie to everyone while GOP senators pressed him on how the fbi needs to be investigated for spying on trump

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Friday, 3 May 2019 21:20 (six years ago)

the homepage of the washington post has a trump photo that looks like what would happen if alfred e. neuman became a third string mobster

maura, Friday, 3 May 2019 21:24 (six years ago)

You want a constitutional crisis, what happens if a state like CA or NY or whomever successfully manages to keep Trump off a presidential ballot if he doesn't release his tax returns (or whatever else they require of potential candidates)? Would that withstand legal scrutiny?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 3 May 2019 22:20 (six years ago)

there's no legal requirement for a president to release their tax returns so no

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Friday, 3 May 2019 22:27 (six years ago)

Purely as a guess, I don't think that a state can compel a presidential candidate to release information that is regarded as private and privileged under all other circumstances. I'd guess that making ballot access contingent on releasing personal tax records would be struck down under the 'implied privacy rights' in the constitution, but I'd be interested in hearing the legal theory that would allow this.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 3 May 2019 22:31 (six years ago)

given the deep love of implied privacy rights on the right wing of the court

j., Saturday, 4 May 2019 00:53 (six years ago)

never kid yourself that, if a precedent of a more liberal court suits the present right wing of the court, they'll give it big ups in their opinion, but try to narrow the application if they can.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 4 May 2019 02:52 (six years ago)

er... don't kid yourself that they won't. (I probably shouldn't have gone for the double negative that time.)

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 4 May 2019 02:53 (six years ago)

all the Dems in CA need to do is tie up the lawsuit about tax returns in court until they say “sorry, ballots have been done for 2020 and it’s too late” a tactic Republicans use constantly to game elections

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Saturday, 4 May 2019 17:40 (six years ago)

But Trump hasn't a prayer of winning CA anyway, so it would be a lot of work for nothing.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 4 May 2019 18:45 (six years ago)

Lmao

Despite ridiculously loaded wording, the Harvard-Harris poll finds most Americans opt for "massive funding, taxation, and retooling of the American economy including eliminating the use of oil, coal, natural gas and all fossil fuels" to address climate change. pic.twitter.com/j8Xmi3hKzz

— Geoff Garin (@geoffgarin) May 4, 2019

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 4 May 2019 20:58 (six years ago)

Sitting in her office with its panoramic view of the National Mall, Ms. Pelosi — the de facto head of the Democratic Party until a presidential nominee is selected in 2020 — offered Democrats her “coldblooded” plan for decisively ridding themselves of Mr. Trump: Do not get dragged into a protracted impeachment bid that will ultimately get crushed in the Republican-controlled Senate, and do not risk alienating the moderate voters who flocked to the party in 2018 by drifting too far to the left.
“Own the center left, own the mainstream,” Ms. Pelosi, 79, said.
“Our passions were for health care, bigger paychecks, cleaner government — a simple message,” Ms. Pelosi said of the 40-seat Democratic pickup last year that resulted in her second ascent to the speakership. “We did not engage in some of the other exuberances that exist in our party” — a reference to some of the most ambitious plans advocated by the left wing of her party and some 2020 candidates, including “Medicare for all” and the Green New Deal, which she has declined to support.

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Saturday, 4 May 2019 23:00 (six years ago)

Sitting in her office with its panoramic view of the National Mall, Ms. Pelosi — the de facto head of the Democratic Party until a presidential nominee is selected in 2020 — offered Democrats her “coldblooded” plan for decisively ridding themselves of Mr. Trump: Do not get dragged into a protracted impeachment bid that will ultimately get crushed in the Republican-controlled Senate, and do not risk alienating the moderate voters who flocked to the party in 2018 by drifting too far to the left.
“Own the center left, own the mainstream,” Ms. Pelosi, 79, said.
“Our passions were for health care, bigger paychecks, cleaner government — a simple message,” Ms. Pelosi said of the 40-seat Democratic pickup last year that resulted in her second ascent to the speakership. “We did not engage in some of the other exuberances that exist in our party” — a reference to some of the most ambitious plans advocated by the left wing of her party and some 2020 candidates, including “Medicare for all” and the Green New Deal, which she has declined to support.

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Saturday, 4 May 2019 23:00 (six years ago)

Sitting in her office with its panoramic view of the National Mall, Ms. Pelosi — the de facto head of the Democratic Party until a presidential nominee is selected in 2020 — offered Democrats her “coldblooded” plan for decisively ridding themselves of Mr. Trump: Do not get dragged into a protracted impeachment bid that will ultimately get crushed in the Republican-controlled Senate, and do not risk alienating the moderate voters who flocked to the party in 2018 by drifting too far to the left.
“Own the center left, own the mainstream,” Ms. Pelosi, 79, said.
“Our passions were for health care, bigger paychecks, cleaner government — a simple message,” Ms. Pelosi said of the 40-seat Democratic pickup last year that resulted in her second ascent to the speakership. “We did not engage in some of the other exuberances that exist in our party” — a reference to some of the most ambitious plans advocated by the left wing of her party and some 2020 candidates, including “Medicare for all” and the Green New Deal, which she has declined to support.

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Saturday, 4 May 2019 23:00 (six years ago)

I read it a few hours ago, giving her credit for "exuberances."

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 4 May 2019 23:11 (six years ago)

y'know if the entire GOP and like 92% of dems are so hellbent on full-on corporatocracy i feel like we should at least follow the private sector in one respect and implement some sort of enforced retirement policy

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Saturday, 4 May 2019 23:27 (six years ago)

(age based, not "term limits" obv)

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Saturday, 4 May 2019 23:27 (six years ago)

she's coldblooded aright

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Sunday, 5 May 2019 00:23 (six years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7aShcmEksw

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 May 2019 00:34 (six years ago)

"own the centre" gtfo. look at what has happened to every centre-left party in the West. they've either radicalised or become irrelevant. "clean message" equates to "nothing too challenging" and that just ain't it chief

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 5 May 2019 10:03 (six years ago)

Good morning!

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 May 2019 10:59 (six years ago)

My God, flipping through the channels, Sebastian Gorka on Washington Journal right now, I'd forgetten this clown still existed tbh.

Ned Caligari (Tom D.), Sunday, 5 May 2019 13:40 (six years ago)

she's -- coldblooded, check it and see
got a fetish for the civility
come on nancy, you can do more than that
she's coldblooded, she's coldblooded

Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, 5 May 2019 16:17 (six years ago)

somehow this will immediately be dismissed and forgotten, but 400 ex-federal prosecutors signed off on a statement that:

Each of us believes that the conduct of President Trump described in Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s report would, in the case of any other person not covered by the Office of Legal Counsel policy against indicting a sitting President, result in multiple felony charges for obstruction of justice.

https://medium.com/@dojalumni/statement-by-former-federal-prosecutors-8ab7691c2aa1

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Monday, 6 May 2019 19:00 (six years ago)

deep state!

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 May 2019 19:01 (six years ago)

the obviously guilty man has been treated so unfairly by holding the one job in the entire world that prevents him from being indicted

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Monday, 6 May 2019 19:03 (six years ago)

we should give him a couple extra years on the job to make up for it

(•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 6 May 2019 19:06 (six years ago)

I'm sure it's an office that he will gracefully exit when his time comes.

Ce Ce Penistongs (Old Lunch), Monday, 6 May 2019 19:07 (six years ago)

For a distracting little demented drama, I offer you the tale of crash and burn of the buff, bearded chief of staff of Tennessee's hard-right speaker of the house: https://www.newschannel5.com/news/newschannel-5-investigates/new-text-messages-detail-drug-use-vulgar-talk-by-speakers-chief-of-staff.

Among the things I love about this story:

-- The guy's name is Cade Cothren. CADE COTHREN. He's not real, he's a living Armie Hammer character.
-- One of the things that came out is a text exchange where Cothren is bragging to Casada that he "fucked (her) in the bathroom" at a restaurant, and Casada says "Only gone for 60 seconds ...R u a minute man???;)”, and Cothren writes back"Yes, I take after you. Like father like son."
-- Cothren bragged about doing coke in his office at the legislative building. Casada was one of the big champions of a bill to drug-test welfare recipients.

Anyway, it's quite a little spectacle.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 20:08 (six years ago)

"In this environment that we live in -- because we as conservatives are winning the intellectual battle -- I'm convinced that some liberal guy living with his mom-and-dad in their basement created this to frame my chief of staff," he told WWTN host Phil Valentine.

lol

mookieproof, Tuesday, 7 May 2019 21:17 (six years ago)

always basements with these people. Who can afford a basement?

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 21:28 (six years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIy-X8-pEoU

difficult listening hour, Tuesday, 7 May 2019 21:43 (six years ago)

https://www.npr.org/2019/05/07/720967513/trump-pardons-former-soldier-convicted-of-killing-iraqi-prisoner

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 22:21 (six years ago)

the degree to which “conservative” accusations are astonishingly actually mere projection seems so consistent that if i was a cop investigating anything, i’d start every one with the conservative accuser. un-insightful non-shockah i guess. xp

Hunt3r, Tuesday, 7 May 2019 22:43 (six years ago)

Thing is, does it even matter anymore?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/05/07/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&fbclid=IwAR3mUlnAba4ZzJiH2pBp5PQNeIVxp9dLC3ETMyZErX-_vZ27BpgkKEolEIQ

Lactose Shaolin Wanker (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 23:10 (six years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_aOIm992qc

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 23:37 (six years ago)

comments are an interesting exploration of how bubbled this kind of propaganda is; no one even knows or cares what the white house is saying anymore because it's all fucking trite nonsense!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 7 May 2019 23:39 (six years ago)

Re that article, like, when the only entities that will “lend” to your are deutschebank and russian oligarchs and you are trying to pad your landing by grifting the fuck out of bk law and the remains of atlantic city, theres a good chance you were _ckmpletly fukd_,nyt. thx for the reminder gray lady.

Hunt3r, Tuesday, 7 May 2019 23:49 (six years ago)

"While The Times did not obtain the president’s actual tax returns, it received the information contained in the returns from someone who had legal access to it. The Times was then able to find matching results in the I.R.S. information on top earners — a publicly available database that each year comprises a one-third sampling of those taxpayers, with identifying details removed."

he was losing money but he was also a top earner? ?

:∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 04:21 (six years ago)

"There is no 'political convenience' exception to the Constitution of the United States of America." fite!

Hunt3r, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 04:26 (six years ago)

Except, when there is. The three branches all operate according to whatever they want to happen and can make stick.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 04:44 (six years ago)

it's like they say u gotta lose money to earn money crüt

j., Wednesday, 8 May 2019 04:45 (six years ago)

xp yeah i agree with you aimless. that's a warren quote from the hayes show today. i could only think "i think if there is one, i don't think this one should be one," but mainly because i see trump and his bros as actually v dangerous tho clownlike.

Hunt3r, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 07:05 (six years ago)

Real estate developers in the 1980’s & 1990’s, more than 30 years ago, were entitled to massive write offs and depreciation which would, if one was actively building, show losses and tax losses in almost all cases. Much was non monetary. Sometimes considered “tax shelter,” ......

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 8, 2019


....you would get it by building, or even buying. You always wanted to show losses for tax purposes....almost all real estate developers did - and often re-negotiate with banks, it was sport. Additionally, the very old information put out is a highly inaccurate Fake News hit job!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 8, 2019

'yeah i committed tax fraud but everyone was doing it and anyway the story is all lies kthxbye'

michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 12:45 (six years ago)

It was sport? That seems like an unfortunate phrase to throw in there.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 12:52 (six years ago)

"for tax purposes"

jmm, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 12:53 (six years ago)

He seems like an unfortunate person to exist xp

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 13:03 (six years ago)

Why would someone want to be president of the government they disdain paying taxes to? Stupid

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 13:04 (six years ago)

Because the scope of his thinking is limited to 'guess I'll take me another bite of that there sammich'.

Ce Ce Penistongs (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 13:08 (six years ago)

Did anyone actually listen to McConnell’s recent senate speech (the “case closed” one)?

The way he actually speaks the words is incredibly evil. Mitch McConnell is an evil fuck. “They’re grieving. (Long pause). They’re grieving.” he says, describing the democrats

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 13:53 (six years ago)

, which would, if one was actively building,

j., Wednesday, 8 May 2019 13:55 (six years ago)

Just listened to The Daily segment on the taxes, recorded before trump’s tweets, and they asked about whether or not it was possible that all the losses were just a very clever accounting trick.

The reporters answered that it could be plausibly be an accounting trick if the losses were only in the low millions, but that the losses (in the billions) were orders of magnitude larger and could only be the result of real, massive losses of money

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 14:02 (six years ago)

I...worked on this story for a year...and...he just...he tweeted it out.

— Jared Yates Sexton (@JYSexton) July 11, 2017

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 14:04 (six years ago)

you can tell how much his business was booming by the fact that he lost more money than any other US taxpayer

:∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 14:04 (six years ago)

he keeps doing this but nothing ever happens so why not ?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 14:04 (six years ago)

Duh. You get more money from your dad.

I never understand why people are impoverished. You just ask dad for money, duh

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 14:10 (six years ago)

Oh, you meant why he keeps telling everybody exactly how bad he sucks. He does that because his supporters don’t care how he got his money. I thought you meant why he kept going bankrupt throughout his life

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 14:12 (six years ago)

Thing is, does it even matter anymore?

not convinced it would ever have mattered tbh

Simon H., Wednesday, 8 May 2019 14:15 (six years ago)

Uber and lyft lost similar amounts of money last year.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 14:20 (six years ago)

Thing is, does it even matter anymore?

It doesn't seem to have brought Qualmsey back so I'm inclined to say no.

Uptown VONC (Le Bateau Ivre), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 14:21 (six years ago)

If he was losing the *most* money of *anyone* how did he not go under?

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 14:26 (six years ago)

Fucking weird

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 14:27 (six years ago)

It does sincerely matter to me to know exactly how much of a charlatan the president of my country is. The value of a piece of information is not tied to how much it affects someone's approval ratings IMO.

:∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 14:28 (six years ago)

meanwhile, this morning as the house judiciary committee meets to hold barr in contempt, trump has asserted full executive privilege over the redacted mueller report

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 14:42 (six years ago)

the case is so closed that they refuse to talk about it ever again

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 14:44 (six years ago)

When given the chance to review the Mueller report before it was publicly released, the White House and the president’s lawyers declined to assert Executive Privilege over any part of it. Once publicly released, it lost any privileged character—the cat is out of the bag. https://t.co/SzcDYhcBNm

— Ted Boutrous (@BoutrousTed) May 8, 2019

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 14:47 (six years ago)

just a continuity error

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 14:49 (six years ago)

even if Trump is the world's shittiest businessman, how is it even possible to lose that much money in real estate in the 90s?

frogbs, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 14:55 (six years ago)

I think they’re fake numbers and he was cheating on his taxes

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 14:57 (six years ago)

NO WAY!

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 14:57 (six years ago)

To an extreme degree. Which he basically admitted to this morning

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 14:57 (six years ago)

It's because he's smrat.

Ce Ce Penistongs (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 14:59 (six years ago)

I've forwarded this theory before but I think for his most ardent fans, Trump has taken on the nature of a GTA avatar. People are living vicariously through his shittiness, watching him sink to depths they themselves could scarcely even imagine (the dude has pissed away more money than I'll see in a lifetime!) and getting away with every last bit of it. He's like a folk hero for people who see no value in life or society.

Ce Ce Penistongs (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 15:03 (six years ago)

That can't be a majority of voters though, can it?

Can it?

Tiltin' My Lens Photography (stevie), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 15:09 (six years ago)

he's got the support of the voters that really count (senate republicans)

hayooooooo! see what i did there

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 15:09 (six years ago)

That can't be a majority of voters though, can it?

Can it?

― Tiltin' My Lens Photography (stevie

It isn't.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 15:10 (six years ago)

here is what his tv friends think:

The hosts of “Fox and Friends” on Wednesday weighed in on a blockbuster New York Times article on Trump’s old tax returns — reporting that showed Trump lost $1 billion over the course of a decade.

The reaction on the Fox couch? Well, it actually makes Trump look good.

“They realize he’s a billionaire,”Ainsley Earhardt said of voters’ possible reaction to the story. “He was campaigning on the trail with his plane behind him that’s as big as a Delta jet, with his name on it. We can’t even fathom that kind of money. So I’m sure — if you have that kind of money you look at tax laws. You buy things to take a loss so that you make more the next year. But that’s not how most of us think.”

She added: “If anything, you read this and you’re like, wow, it’s pretty impressive all the things he has done in his life. It’s beyond what most of could ever achieve.”

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 15:11 (six years ago)

He was campaigning on the trail with his plane behind him that’s as big as a Delta jet, with his name on it.

every time he campaigned with his jet behind him i thought it was the tackiest fucking thing possible, but i guess it's really impressive

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 15:12 (six years ago)

most of us could never achieve the loss of so much, where would we not put it?

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 15:14 (six years ago)

Pretty impressive losses!

Ainsley Earhardt on the NY Times story about Trump's $1 billion+ in business losses: "If anything, you read this and you're like 'wow, it's pretty impressive, all the things that he's done in his life.' It's beyond what most of us could ever achieve." pic.twitter.com/H4QQOWJewm

— Bobby Lewis (@revrrlewis) May 8, 2019

jmm, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 15:14 (six years ago)

fucking bazro world that show is ! it's transmitting from another dimension of hell

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 15:15 (six years ago)

The dude on the far right (heh) looks like he ate too much cauliflower last night.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 15:16 (six years ago)

bizarro fuck

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 15:16 (six years ago)

I mean...it literally is Bizarro World. They're recasting epic failure as monumental achievement. It's like being jealous of someone who stepped on a landmine because you're unlikely to ever lose quite that many limbs.

Ce Ce Penistongs (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 15:20 (six years ago)

i can't even imagine being near a landmine. pretty amazing

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 15:21 (six years ago)

let me see if i can make sense of this "bizarre" take:

- more money more problems
- haters gonna hate

have i missed anything?

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 15:22 (six years ago)

- very old fake information

jmm, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 15:23 (six years ago)

the Piers Morgan line of "he bounced back from this to become Prez, it's inspirational" will probably be the standard one from here on out

Simon H., Wednesday, 8 May 2019 15:23 (six years ago)

the Baltimore Orioles ought to hire some of these guys...."the fact that you even got 62 ABs to go hitless in is actually really impressive...most of us would've been benched"

frogbs, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 15:26 (six years ago)

bizarro fuck

trying not to take this personally

michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 15:27 (six years ago)

lol youre our bizarro fuck tho

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 15:28 (six years ago)

*slowly and dramatically counts the number of fucks he gives*

...well actually, i do give one bizarro fuck

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 15:29 (six years ago)

He's like a folk hero for people who see no value in life or society

this OTM 1000%

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 15:30 (six years ago)

aww stop, you'll make me blush xxp

michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 15:30 (six years ago)

I feel like there's a really choice Horatio Alger/Ragged Dick joke to be made here but I'm off my game this morning, help

Ce Ce Penistongs (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 15:42 (six years ago)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/pelosi-says-trump-is-becoming-self-impeachable/2019/05/08/87464a68-718c-11e9-9f06-5fc2ee80027a_story

what the fucking fuck is this shit ? i mean this shit is a joke it really is . they should just all go on vacation for the rest of the year and fuck off out of my sight

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 16:12 (six years ago)

no worky

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 16:16 (six years ago)

the bulk of the content is in the URL

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 16:17 (six years ago)

“That could be part of an impeachable offense,” Pelosi said of Trump at Tuesday’s event, which was hosted by Cornell University. “Every day, he’s obstructing justice by saying, ‘This one shouldn’t testify, that one shouldn’t testify,’ and the rest. So he’s making a case. But he’s just trying to goad us into impeachment.

like ok good to know Nancy thanks for all your work

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 16:19 (six years ago)

" this thief just keeps stealing from our cash register and vandalising our stuff , we have him on tape doing it even, he really just wants to get caught. Maybe he'll just turn himself in ro something like that"

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 16:22 (six years ago)

oh nancy dont play down this hard, sometimes you gotta make a fucking banker and welp

Hunt3r, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 16:36 (six years ago)

maybe he'll die

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 16:41 (six years ago)

yeah let's just wait it out until he dies . what harm could he even cause in the meantime?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 16:44 (six years ago)

I can see her tactic. She can turn to the moderates elected last November and their constituents and go, "Sigh, see, motherfucker's making us wanna impeach him." But I still dislike it and the modern trend of sticking "self-" where it doesn't belong (I have to deal with "self-introductions" in class).

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 16:45 (six years ago)

I saw focus groups of Trump voters in 2016. They thought the fact he was a hugely successful businessman would make him a successful president. The fact he was a loser in business will hurt him. And that is why he’s kept his taxes secret.

— Neera Tanden (@neeratanden) May 7, 2019

jfc.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 16:45 (six years ago)

(prominent and extremely bad clinton advisor)

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 16:46 (six years ago)

what was neera's reaction to the universal Non-reaction to the earlier NYT story about the trump family's long history of laundering, tax fraud, the trump children getting tens of millions from Fred, etc?

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 16:52 (six years ago)

even after being prepared a bit for his supporters not caring about what he does wrong, i was still kind of shocked by how little that affected him

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 16:53 (six years ago)

he was able to glide past all of it with a pair of "nuh uh, nyt fake, i am a good smart business leader" tweets

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 16:53 (six years ago)

the NYT ran the story during the Kavanaugh hearings iirc, which certainly did't help either.

It would not have changed anyone's minds except given women who turned against the president more reason to stand longer in line in November.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 16:54 (six years ago)

ummm we definitely knew this guy was unambiguously terrible at business in 2016

frogbs, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:23 (six years ago)

We thought we knew but then the inveterate liar who's only interested in protecting his fabricated reputation said otherwise, so now I don't know what to believe.

Ce Ce Penistongs (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:29 (six years ago)

But I saw him being rich.

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:30 (six years ago)

I hope subsequent generations see us for the overly-credulous rubes we are and develop whatever psychological buttressing is necessary to see through the fabrications of serial bullshitters.

Ce Ce Penistongs (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:34 (six years ago)

I mean, we're clearly fucked on that front, but won't somebody please think of the children.

Ce Ce Penistongs (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:35 (six years ago)

god I knew this administration was gonna be a corrupt shitshow but the President of the United States bragging about committing tax fraud on Twitter is a new one for me

frogbs, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:36 (six years ago)

if he was consistently reporting the *biggest* losses for any american, i'm pretty confident that was some kind of outlandishly illegal accounting. why can't he be investigated and tried for tax fraud? they did it to paul manafort.

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:37 (six years ago)

the fact that he is "bad at business" seems like the wrong angle here. the times even flagged that some of these numbers make no sense. like the $59 million in interest income one year, after having negligible interest income for the years surrounding it

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:39 (six years ago)

tax fraud is one of the coolest most badassed things an american can do

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:40 (six years ago)

That’s great but there are laws against it and sentencing guidelines

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:42 (six years ago)

i'm pretty confident that was some kind of outlandishly illegal accounting

our country seems very not on the ball when it comes to things like this

see: Tesla, who after nonstop losses suddenly and mysteriously became the most profitable car company on the planet for two quarters, and then magically turned unprofitable again after all their accounting guys quit

frogbs, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:43 (six years ago)

if he was consistently reporting the *biggest* losses for any american

oh Treeship, so unaware of the ways of the real estate world. see, losses are good to report, everyone does it. the fact that Trump had the most losses of any US citizen just shows that he is the biggest player in the real estate world!

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:43 (six years ago)

Or when zillions of dollars worth of mortgage backed securities vanished suddenly

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:44 (six years ago)

Or turned out to never have really existed

The economy seems somewhat fake to me.

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:44 (six years ago)

He was campaigning on the trail with his plane behind him that’s as big as a Delta jet, with his name on it. We can’t even fathom that kind of money.

I hope subsequent generations see us for the overly-credulous rubes we are and develop whatever psychological buttressing is necessary to see through the fabrications of serial bullshitters.

But I saw him being rich.

lol

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:46 (six years ago)

He never really was a businessman. To be actually good at business you need to sell a product or service people find valuable and be rewarded by the market. He never did anything like that—it was just grifting and bullshit.

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:49 (six years ago)

He would make money by like breaking contracts and threatening lawsuits and shit. Everything he’s ever done has been predatory.

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:51 (six years ago)

some folk peoples love narcos because they kick ass, and other folk peoples love tax fraud grifters. i took a cultural anthropology survey course once i know shit.

Hunt3r, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:51 (six years ago)

Republicans are supposed to like free market economics. The defense of free market economics (which i don’t buy into) is that the market rewards good actors who do things efficiently, creating a wider social benefit. Trump makes a movkery of all of that. He didn’t even pay the contractors who did work for him.

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:53 (six years ago)

That’s what’s so stupid about all of this.

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:54 (six years ago)

That’s great but there are laws against it and sentencing guidelines

apparently if you're a (white, Republican) president they let you do a lot of things that are "against the law".

which make it even more badassed. he's just a lazy whiny vulgar POS like me, and he's doin it to em, by gawd.

truly, the American Dream™

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:55 (six years ago)

its almost as if the entire Republican party ethos is "do as many financial and sex crimes you can get away with"

frogbs, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:55 (six years ago)

Basically by embracing trump they are moving from “the market, however harsh it sometimes seems, is ultimately fair” (an empirically wrong but internally consistent view) to “stealing is good” (weird nihilism)

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:56 (six years ago)

treesh i think you are talking about never-trumpers who immed snapped into line because while they are ~aware~ of principles of accounting, they love winning, money, nice cars, trophy wives, ivied children more especially money.

Hunt3r, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:56 (six years ago)

They’ve always been rewarding grifters on the sly but trump represents an idea of capitalism that is like just about that

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:57 (six years ago)

Why would a voter vote for this?

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 17:58 (six years ago)

bc he’s instrumental in creating conditions for making the wealthy even wealthier.

and for beyond else he’s being cool and racist, owning the libs, breaking laws and not getting busted.

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 18:00 (six years ago)

everyone else*

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 18:00 (six years ago)

Yeah i know. Just being rhetorical

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 18:01 (six years ago)

this financial news is much less news than him exerting executive privilege, isn't it?

akm, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 18:02 (six years ago)

Who cares about the mueller report. I wish I saw the avengers instead of reading it

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 18:07 (six years ago)

Avengers probably had more of a measurable impact on the world tbf.

Ce Ce Penistongs (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 18:09 (six years ago)

the report is important u can still see the FUCKING AVENGERS GROW UP.

Hunt3r, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 18:14 (six years ago)

spoiler

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 18:15 (six years ago)

Good read: https://theintercept.com/2019/05/07/mueller-report-trump-obstruction/

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 18:16 (six years ago)

guessing glenn didn't edit that one

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 18:20 (six years ago)

It will be interesting to look back in 5-10 years and reflect on what the ultimate effects of the Mueller Report were. Whole lotta people got mad, whole lotta people got defensive, WaPo sold a dece number of paperback reprints, etc.

Ce Ce Penistongs (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 18:24 (six years ago)

brb going watch avengers 😐

Hunt3r, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 18:29 (six years ago)

I especially liked the part where people in a position to do something about it kept suggesting we were in the midst of a constitutional crisis and then didn't do anything about it. Man, the Donald Trump Years sure were crazy! Thank goodness we're finally safely in the Era of Ivanka.

Ce Ce Penistongs (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 18:31 (six years ago)

That the president can issue an executive order of this sort is insane to me. I know these things will never change because of the quasi-dystopian cult of the Founding Fathers but boy the executive wing in the US just has so much power.

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 18:35 (six years ago)

Can't wait until he starts wearing a crown and robes of the finest silk.

Ce Ce Penistongs (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 18:38 (six years ago)

Meanwhile dems are doing fucking nothing but getting recked by the GOP. That hearing today was pathetic ! They just get shit on and then come up and talk about the weakest shit instead of calling these assholes out. Why would they anyways might get awkward at happy hour ?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 18:42 (six years ago)

“Chairman Nadler is asking the attorney general of the United States to break the law and commit a crime by releasing information that he knows he has no legal authority to have. It’s truly outrageous and absurd what the chairman is doing and he should be embarrassed that he’s behaving this way.”

It’s the house judiciary committee!

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 18:45 (six years ago)

'If I were the dems, things would be much better, let me tell you'

Van Horn Street, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 18:46 (six years ago)

I guess they just don’t believe congress has an oversight role

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 18:46 (six years ago)

They need to subpoena mueller

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 18:48 (six years ago)

This is dumb

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 18:49 (six years ago)

Or he should give a pop up q and a in washington square park like vampire weekend did

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 18:50 (six years ago)

give yourself a break, ok

WmC, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 18:55 (six years ago)

Please.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 19:15 (six years ago)

i'll take that advice as well. ffs though it's really infuriating

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 19:33 (six years ago)

the Baltimore Orioles ought to hire some of these guys...."the fact that you even got 62 ABs to go hitless in is actually really impressive...most of us would've been benched"

― frogbs, Wednesday, May 8, 2019 11:26 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII) wrote this on thread Nobody Knows Who The Hell Villar: THE 2019 BALTIMORE ORIOLES on board I Love Baseball on Apr 11, 2019

it's kinda cool if you think about it

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 19:46 (six years ago)

oh my god how is this real

I love my wife. I apologize for rage tweeting about how Seth Meyers treated her. I don't like him, I think he's a hack, but I shouldn't have done that. I'm sorry to anyone I offended.

— Ben Domenech (@bdomenech) May 8, 2019

I love my wife. I apologize for rage tweeting about how Seth Meyers treated her. I don't like him, I think he's a hack, but I shouldn't have done that. I'm sorry to anyone I offended.

— Ben Domenech (@bdomenech) May 8, 2019

frogbs, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 19:51 (six years ago)

sorry, second one should be

pic.twitter.com/m3m1gXu6IU

— 17 follower guy whose pinned tweet is a reply (@boring_as_heck) May 8, 2019

frogbs, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 19:51 (six years ago)

i feel great that i had no idea what any of that meant until i spent some time googling

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 20:29 (six years ago)

i refuse to know

american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 20:29 (six years ago)

it's totally cool, you're not missing anything as far as i could tell
i really wish seth myers were funnier or colbert was a better interviewer. can't they just do a show ala conan and richter? Why don't more people have two interviewers?

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 20:32 (six years ago)

brad otm

|Restore| |Restart| |Quit| (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 20:33 (six years ago)

House Judiciary Committee voted 24-16 along party lines to hold AG Bill Barr in contempt

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 20:40 (six years ago)

you know what THAT means

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 20:52 (six years ago)

*crickets*

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 20:53 (six years ago)

How is that dude ever going to get another job with this black mark on his name?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 20:54 (six years ago)

his dad will help him. come on fred, donald needs your help him again, come back from the dead

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 20:56 (six years ago)

oh wait, sorry, you meant bill barr.

come on fred, come back from the dead and help bill barr, donald's good friend

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 20:56 (six years ago)

Roy Cohn, work your dark magic!!

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 20:58 (six years ago)

Nadler's speech was no-nonsense.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 20:58 (six years ago)

did eric holder ever face any consequences after being held in contempt for withholding the Fast & Furious docs?

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 21:01 (six years ago)

None except to his dignity. But the investigation stopped; don't think the Dems are.

This is interesting: GOP-led Senate Intelligence Committee subpoenas Junior.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 May 2019 21:03 (six years ago)

I'd missed this: White House revoked almost every single press pass (including all WaPo beat reporters) on an impossible new standard. Journos now access only under "exceptions" that can be revoked w/o cause anytime -- and some, like @milbank, barred altogether https://t.co/XNMeVUcSDh

— David Burbach (@dburbach) May 8, 2019

mookieproof, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 21:42 (six years ago)

"@milbank eh, be better, bro"

Hunt3r, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 21:45 (six years ago)

a cool move by people who are definitely not doing anything wrong

maura, Wednesday, 8 May 2019 21:57 (six years ago)

Real America

THAT MAN HAS 10 EGGS AND NOTHING ELSE ON HIS PLATE https://t.co/Tt3Yjv1xmt

— 𝕄𝕒𝕥𝕥 𝔾𝕒𝕓𝕣𝕚𝕖𝕝𝕖 (@prof_gabriele) May 8, 2019

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 9 May 2019 00:21 (six years ago)

lol those are prop eggs ! Chris Hayes had a hard hitting exposé just now

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 9 May 2019 00:46 (six years ago)

Sorry don’t even read the linked article

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 9 May 2019 00:47 (six years ago)

It’s hard for me not to be pessimistic about all that is happening. I don’t think we’re ever going to see Trump’s taxes or any financial records from Deutsche Bank or anywhere else, there will be endless delays and then the Supreme Court will protect him. We’re not going to see any of his family members or aides or McGahn testify to congress. Mueller will be dissuaded from testifying somehow by the Justice Department and we won’t understand the full impact of the Mueller report until it’s way too late. SDNY is not going to be our savior. Trump won’t be held accountable on emoluments. Congress is not going to impeach. The press will continue their astonishingly disingenuous reporting, the economy will hold up, and I think Trump will be reelected. By 2024 it will be too late to save this country, we will have gone so far down the path to autocracy

Dan S, Thursday, 9 May 2019 01:11 (six years ago)

those are my darkest thoughts about this. I want to be more hopeful

Dan S, Thursday, 9 May 2019 01:15 (six years ago)

Don Jr. just got subpoenaed.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 9 May 2019 01:17 (six years ago)

get in line, junior

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 May 2019 01:18 (six years ago)

i think Dan S p much otm about everything except Trump getting reelected. i think it'll be ugly but he'll lose.

then the economy tanks like 1 month after the new potus takes office. and that's when the real fun starts.

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 9 May 2019 01:34 (six years ago)

"i think it'll be ugly but he'll lose." I really hope so

Dan S, Thursday, 9 May 2019 01:40 (six years ago)

The economy will not hold up. Lest I'm misunderstood, it's not a wish -- it's an inevitability.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 May 2019 01:42 (six years ago)

yup. and a democratic president, house, and maaaaybe a senate(?) will be left holding the bag.

then a vigorous, nauseating rehab of trump cranks up.

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 9 May 2019 01:54 (six years ago)

I really don't think the senate will ever be in the hands of the democrats again in my lifetime

Dan S, Thursday, 9 May 2019 02:01 (six years ago)

yeah don't know why i even entertained the idea of a 'maybe' in 2020. no way that's happening.

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 9 May 2019 02:05 (six years ago)

This LGM piece resonates strongly with me.

What happens if Donald Trump is president on January 21st, 2021? By “what happens” I mean what follows from that for you personally, both in terms of what political actions and personal life choices you may make.

I realize this is a disturbing and indeed horrifying prospect, but it’s one I’ve been thinking a lot about lately. It goes without saying that all of us will do our best to make sure it doesn’t come to that. But what if does? What then?

Of course a lot depends on how this should come to happen. An at least facially legitimate election is one thing, an apparently stolen one is another. And the possibility exists, even if it’s remote, that the results of the election won’t determine the outcome, and the political situation devolves into something like civil war. (A year ago I would have said the chances of that were so remote as not to be worth considering. I don’t think that’s the case any more).

The reason I’m asking this question is that at some point acceding to creeping fascism becomes collaboration. At what point does an authoritarian takeover become too obvious to be tolerable? At what point does resistance have to become something more than a slogan?

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Thursday, 9 May 2019 02:09 (six years ago)

I really don't think the senate will ever be in the hands of the democrats again in my lifetime

― Dan S, Wednesday, May 8, 2019 10:01 PM (nine minutes ago)

I said this about the House in 2004 and 2014!

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 May 2019 02:12 (six years ago)

There are no certainties except (a) Jake Gyllenhaal (b) death

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 May 2019 02:12 (six years ago)

lol

Dan S, Thursday, 9 May 2019 02:15 (six years ago)

The economy will not hold up. Lest I'm misunderstood, it's not a wish -- it's an inevitability.

You didn’t exactly put a timeline on that, though

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 May 2019 02:24 (six years ago)

Anyone who puts a strict timeline on that is fooling themselves.

Simon H., Thursday, 9 May 2019 02:25 (six years ago)

well, this is ILX.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 May 2019 02:29 (six years ago)

I’m willing to go out on a limb. This economy will not last...36 hours

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 May 2019 02:35 (six years ago)

ok i'll stop looking for a living wage then

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 May 2019 02:44 (six years ago)

this is all such shit, I hope you find a living wage

Dan S, Thursday, 9 May 2019 02:52 (six years ago)

I really don't think the senate will ever be in the hands of the democrats again in my lifetime

― Dan S, Wednesday, May 8, 2019 10:01 PM (nine minutes ago)

I said this about the House in 2004 and 2014!

― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, May 8, 2019 7:12 PM (fifty-eight minutes ago)

but we have too many states that are resolutely republican

Dan S, Thursday, 9 May 2019 03:19 (six years ago)

it's sickening to me

Dan S, Thursday, 9 May 2019 03:22 (six years ago)

how does Congress compel Don Jr, Hope Hicks, Steve Bannon or anyone else to testify. they can't and they won't as far as I can see, we live in a fake democracy

Dan S, Thursday, 9 May 2019 05:25 (six years ago)

i totally get where you're coming from man, i've been there, but maybe time for bed

global tetrahedron, Thursday, 9 May 2019 05:31 (six years ago)

lol yes

Dan S, Thursday, 9 May 2019 05:44 (six years ago)

Demographics favors Dems over the next few decades, at least for the House and Presidency. There's certainly the issue of small population states holding sway over the Senate and holding the threat of filibusters over legislation, and of course a Federalist society packed judiciary.

The Dems were on the defense in the senate in 2018, with some

nonsense upon stilts (Sanpaku), Thursday, 9 May 2019 06:28 (six years ago)

Demographics favors Dems over the next few decades, at least for the House and Presidency. There's certainly the issue of small population states holding sway over the Senate for the foreseeable future and holding the threat of filibusters over legislation, and of course a Federalist Society-packed judiciary for a generation...

The Dems were on the defense in the Senate in 2018, given they had about twice the incumbents up. It's GOPs turn to play defense in 2020.

I really feel there's been a sea change on the climate issue in the general electorate over the past few years. Few are willing to make personal sacrifices to ensure their great grandchildren don't drown, burn, and starve; and it took 40 years too long, but at least there's a majority recognizing the problem. Head in the sand denialism will be NAGL, and I think majorities are going to start holding denialists accountable...

nonsense upon stilts (Sanpaku), Thursday, 9 May 2019 06:40 (six years ago)

Might force you to write something independent and critical for a change. https://t.co/QTD1KOja0o

— Doug Henwood (@DougHenwood) May 8, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 May 2019 12:03 (six years ago)

well, let's not do anything hasty

michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 9 May 2019 12:07 (six years ago)

Op Ed: Only Someone as Wealthy and Handsome and Well-Endowed as Donald Trump is Man Enough to Return my Press Credentials

Ce Ce Penistongs (Old Lunch), Thursday, 9 May 2019 12:12 (six years ago)

milbank's twitter bio reads 'purveyor of fake news', so trump was perfectly justified in revoking his credentials imo

michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 9 May 2019 12:20 (six years ago)

xxxp It took a lot of strength for me not to reply to Milbank, "Yeah, creeping fascism, etc., but you are a pretty shitty journalist."

Plinka Trinka Banga Tink (Eliza D.), Thursday, 9 May 2019 12:36 (six years ago)

https://boston.cbslocal.com/2019/05/09/white-house-website-boston-red-socks-sox-visit-president-trump/

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 9 May 2019 13:34 (six years ago)

'Siri, how you spell socks?'

Ce Ce Penistongs (Old Lunch), Thursday, 9 May 2019 13:38 (six years ago)

anyone have thoughts about the subpoena of don jr, notable because it comes from the GOP-led Senate Intelligence Committee? very conspicuous for any republican, let alone a committee, to do anything but say "case closed" and stonewall the entire thing

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 May 2019 14:49 (six years ago)

i think Burr heads that committee and he's not running for re-election so maybe he's not quite as eager to carry Trump's water as the rest of the gang, but he's hardly joining #resistance either. definitely not a clown on the level of Nunes though.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Thursday, 9 May 2019 14:52 (six years ago)

Psh, Trump just can't get a break. He spells shit wrong and people complain. He spells "socks" right and people still complain! There's just no winning for this guy.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 May 2019 14:53 (six years ago)

xpost Didn't Nunes team with Schiff to support getting the entire Mueller intelligence report?

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 May 2019 14:54 (six years ago)

Karl, I think it rattled the WH a little.

Acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney on Wednesday criticized Republicans on the Senate Intelligence Committee for not informing him that President Trump’s son Donald Trump Jr. would be subpoenaed by the panel as part of its ongoing probe into Russian interference in the 2016 campaign.

In an interview with CBS News, Mulvaney said it was “bad form” for the Republican-led committee to subpoena Trump Jr. without giving him advance notice.

“I have no difficulty with bipartisanship, but to subpoena the president of the United States’s son and not at least get a heads-up, I thought was — let’s say — bad form,” Mulvaney said.

WmC, Thursday, 9 May 2019 14:55 (six years ago)

mulvaney knows that as the chief of staff of the well-oiled machine that is the trump administration, he's in a good position to criticize the "bad form" of others

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 May 2019 15:46 (six years ago)

GOOD MOURNING

WASHINGTON — Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Thursday that the United States was in a “constitutional crisis” and warned that House Democrats might move to hold more Trump administration officials in contempt of Congress if they continued their refusals to comply with committee subpoenas.

Speaking to reporters in the Capitol, Ms. Pelosi said she agreed with Representative Jerrold Nadler, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, who said Wednesday that the nation was in a constitutional crisis after his committee recommended the House hold Attorney General William P. Barr in contempt of Congress for refusing to turn over an unredacted version of the special counsel’s report, along with the report’s underlying evidence.

“The administration has decided they are not going to honor their oath of office,” she said.

Ms. Pelosi said Democrats would bring the contempt citation to the floor for a vote of the full House “when we are ready.”

Democrats have not settled on a precise date for the vote to hold Mr. Barr in contempt of Congress, though Mr. Nadler said after Wednesday’s vote that he wanted it scheduled “rapidly.”

Democratic leaders may wait to pair the Judiciary Committee’s contempt recommendations with another, most likely from the Intelligence Committee should its conflict with the Justice Department get to that point.

The committee’s chairman, Representative Adam B. Schiff, issued a subpoena on Thursday for Mr. Barr to hand over the full Mueller report and evidence, as well as all counterintelligence and foreign intelligence generated by the special counsel’s investigations. He gave the Justice Department until May 15 to comply. If Mr. Barr ignores that deadline, the Intelligence Committee would probably hold its own contempt proceedings and send another recommendation to the House floor.

There are other possible contempt citations in the wings as well, including for Donald F. McGahn II, the former White House counsel who is under subpoena by the Judiciary Committee, and witnesses in unrelated Oversight and Reform Committee investigations.

“In terms of timing, when we’re ready, we’ll come to the floor,” Ms. Pelosi said. “There might be some other contempt of Congress issues that we want to deal with at the same time.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/09/us/politics/pelosi-constitutional-crisis.html

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 May 2019 16:09 (six years ago)

rank these things that have all happened in the last couple hours, in terms of importance:

25% tariffs on $200B of chinese goods starts tomorrow
US just seized a north korean ship in retaliation for missile launches
ongoing constitutional crisis

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 May 2019 16:45 (six years ago)

ok, 2 of the 3 are thing that did not happen in the last 2 hours, but otherwise that was a good description of the list, i thought

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 May 2019 16:45 (six years ago)

hadn't heard about the NK ship! sounds spicy

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 9 May 2019 16:46 (six years ago)

Life over the last couple of years feels kinda like being a tornado chaser who waits until there's like five cyclones whipping through a cornfield and gets out of his jeep to see how long he can leap and dodge between them before being ripped to pieces. Fun, in other words. A lot of fun.

Artisanal Personality Disorder (Old Lunch), Thursday, 9 May 2019 17:01 (six years ago)

so it's not just sanctions on NK, but a blockade? i guess might makes right in these matters, but that doesn't sound 'legal'

mookieproof, Thursday, 9 May 2019 17:06 (six years ago)

Eh, the metaphor I'd use is more like being kidnapped and stuck in the backseat of said tornado chaser, or learning the bus driver on a mountain road is a member of a death cult.

nonsense upon stilts (Sanpaku), Thursday, 9 May 2019 17:10 (six years ago)

https://makeagif.com/gif/christopher-walken-annie-hall-gvf8Pt

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Thursday, 9 May 2019 17:13 (six years ago)

Or rather

https://dz7u9q3vpd4eo.cloudfront.net/wp-content/legacy/posts/d0744f52-b206-49ea-a7c9-27f820968fbf.jpg

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Thursday, 9 May 2019 17:14 (six years ago)

Taken aback by the Senate Intelligence Committee’s subpoena issued to Donald Trump Jr., President Trump on Thursday defended his son, leaning on special counsel Robert Mueller’s report to do so.

...“He’s now testified for 20 hours or something — massive amount of time. The Mueller report came out. That’s the bible. The Mueller report came out and they said he did nothing wrong. The only thing is, it’s oppo research,” Trump continued, arguing that his campaign was simply engaged in a routine search for damaging information on Hillary Clinton.

...“My son is a good person. My son testified for hours and hours. My son was totally exonerated by Mueller, who frankly does not like Donald Trump — me, this Donald Trump,” he said. “And frankly for my son after being exonerated to now get a subpoena to go again and speak again after close to 20 hours of telling everybody that would listen about a nothing meeting, yeah, I’m pretty surprised.”

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/donald-trump-surprised-subpoena-son-don-jr

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 May 2019 17:40 (six years ago)

confirmation that trump did not read the mueller report

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 May 2019 17:40 (six years ago)

or rather, he's read as much of the mueller report as he has the bible

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 May 2019 17:41 (six years ago)

You got it wrong: this Donald Trump.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 May 2019 17:45 (six years ago)

Mueller, who frankly does not like Donald Trump — me, this Donald Trump

omg

WmC, Thursday, 9 May 2019 17:46 (six years ago)

This Donald Trump is the new This Fuckin' Guy.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 May 2019 17:47 (six years ago)

Confirmation that the hole in the front of Donald Trump's head is capable of emitting words that adhere closely enough to the general structure of our language that people still hopefully insist that the sound they hear is anything more than a random collage of words not terribly unlike the utterances of a parrot.

Artisanal Personality Disorder (Old Lunch), Thursday, 9 May 2019 17:47 (six years ago)

i read that as him saying his son didn't like him

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 9 May 2019 18:05 (six years ago)

"According to his first wife, Ivana, Donald Trump was never keen on bequeathing his name to anybody," Julia Ioffe wrote in GQ. "It was Ivana who wanted to call their newborn Donald junior. 'You can't do that!' Trump is quoted as saying in Ivana's memoir, 'Raising Trump.' 'What if he - as in that Donald Trump, not this Donald Trump - turns out to be a loser?'"

frogbs, Thursday, 9 May 2019 18:09 (six years ago)

that would have been embarassing

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Thursday, 9 May 2019 18:10 (six years ago)

That anecdote, in complete isolation, is sufficient justification for the woodchipperizing of its subject imo. Who but an irredeemable POS worries that their unborn/newborn baby might be a loser.

I mean, it was a legitimate worry in this instance, but still.

Artisanal Personality Disorder (Old Lunch), Thursday, 9 May 2019 18:13 (six years ago)

loooooool

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 9 May 2019 18:14 (six years ago)

"I don't know WHAT TO DO!!"

"Look I can prove I'm the real Donald Trump, and that man is an imposter"

"Me, this Donald Trump, is the real one the other is a fake!"

BAM!

"Phew! That was a close one. You almost shot the fake Donald Trump!"

Evan, Thursday, 9 May 2019 18:37 (six years ago)

this guy makes his living by stamping his name on tacky shit

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Thursday, 9 May 2019 18:41 (six years ago)

Look, if you're gonna throw shade, at least wait until Congress is done with the guy so he can defend himself.

Artisanal Personality Disorder (Old Lunch), Thursday, 9 May 2019 18:58 (six years ago)

Personally, I think Tacky Shit Trump has more of a ring to it than Donald Jr., but I can see where it might've made his schooldays rough.

Artisanal Personality Disorder (Old Lunch), Thursday, 9 May 2019 18:59 (six years ago)

Trump's "joke" about shooting migrants last night has inspired a fraction of the blowback that Ilhan Omar's critique of AIPAC did. Which is telling. https://t.co/yZlepmj1Il pic.twitter.com/Kn8IQfYaGW

— Eric Levitz (@EricLevitz) May 9, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 9 May 2019 20:33 (six years ago)

oh for the Left to have one tenth the energy, strategy, and media’s deference of the rightwing outrage machine

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 9 May 2019 20:58 (six years ago)

media’s deference of the rightwing outrage machine

the right wing controls most of the media. the whole myth of a liberal media bias is the product of the right wing and has been propagated through... the media.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 10 May 2019 04:09 (six years ago)

Only someone brainwashed by the liberal media would make such a preposterous assertion.

Artisanal Personality Disorder (Old Lunch), Friday, 10 May 2019 10:26 (six years ago)

well, good morning!

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 May 2019 10:59 (six years ago)

it's kind of amazing how an ideology that's supposedly 'losing the culture war' has done such a thorough job of shaping the narrative of liberal bias, conservative victim mentality, both sides-ism (but always always always the left side *more*) etc

i've got casually engaged liberal friends who've parroted the "librul media" line in the post-Obama era about every mainstream entitiy outside of Fox and i'm just how the fuck are you even for real

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Friday, 10 May 2019 12:37 (six years ago)

I remember a kind of hilarious segment on like On the Media (?) where Ira Glass was saying he didn't hear any bias in NPR's reporting, then they brought on a conservative who thought NPR was a liberal Gomorrah and asked him to point out all the liberal bias he could find. Mostly he was mad that the reporters didn't explicitly spell out conservative dogma, or implied that there was a correlation between taxes and govt. revenue.

We were never Breeting Borting (President Keyes), Friday, 10 May 2019 12:45 (six years ago)

i think there's an idea even among libs that if you're not actively demonizing gays and POCs, or only doing so 'a little', then you're totally in the tank for the liberal agenda.

corporatism & rah rah militarism/ imperialism? nbd

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Friday, 10 May 2019 12:57 (six years ago)

media bias is real, for example I've noticed sports media is very biased against the Miami Marlins these days

frogbs, Friday, 10 May 2019 13:28 (six years ago)

^^We joke, but I saw somewhere that Disney is selling (or trying to sell) Fox Sports Network to Sinclair.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 10 May 2019 15:44 (six years ago)

already did:

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/how-sinclairs-purchase-of-baseball-sports-networks-will-affect-you/

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Friday, 10 May 2019 15:45 (six years ago)

House Ways and Means Committee subpoenas Steve Mnunchin over Trump's taxes.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 May 2019 20:43 (six years ago)

Steve Mnuchin already sadly with the state of his sub poenas

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Friday, 10 May 2019 20:46 (six years ago)

damn, i can't even form a poenas joek properly

tgif

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Friday, 10 May 2019 20:46 (six years ago)

Time to dig up the 10,000 quotes from Republican senators and representatives deploring "the imperial presidency" and extolling the oversight functions of Congress. You could make a one hour supercut of the highlights.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 10 May 2019 20:48 (six years ago)

of course, one effect of their constant obama-era complaints is that now that the democrats are making similar claims, the whole thing comes off to the general public as more partisan bickering - this is just a thing that happens in politics now, the opposing party claims that the president and his administration are corrupt and that the only reasonable reaction is to try to grind what they're doing to a halt. 'republicans had #benghazi, now democrats have russiagate, it's all the same', etc

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Friday, 10 May 2019 20:52 (six years ago)

in other words, it's in the GOP's interest to be outraged over bullshit when they're the minority party, because that way when Democrats are outraged over ACTUAL THINGS when they're the minority party, it all starts to seem the same to an outside observer

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Friday, 10 May 2019 20:54 (six years ago)

i agree - i think it is part of this ongoing, multifaceted, almost rhizomatic nonsensical-ization of public life which has the effect of allowing those in power to perpetuate it

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 10 May 2019 21:02 (six years ago)

just thinking as these subpeonas roll out and are ignored, DNC and the candidates as a chorus should bleat away from here to Nov 2020 a simple refrain w the same frequency and volume as "No Collusion"

WHAT IS THE PRESIDENT HIDING?

over and again ad nauseum. It's dumb but simply demanding the taxes is a rhetorical dead end, it fails to frame GOP's concealment as a tacit admission that something is dirty there

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 10 May 2019 21:05 (six years ago)

yeah but qualmsey did it

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 May 2019 21:07 (six years ago)

I think he got burnt out because it wasn't working

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 10 May 2019 21:08 (six years ago)

All these subpoenas just underscore how boneheaded it was for Mueller and his team not to subpoena Trump. Because, what, they were worried it was going to take too long? Boo hoo. They didn't do it and because of their decision report offered no closure, so here we are more or less back where we started.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 10 May 2019 21:17 (six years ago)

can't the supreme court just unilaterally impeach trump, for "closure"? i mean they unilaterally made george w bush president because of the dangers of uncertainty or whatever. oh... right

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 10 May 2019 21:27 (six years ago)

Looks like Mueller is also not planning to show up to his hearing next week

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 10 May 2019 21:28 (six years ago)

Possibly blocked by DOJ

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 10 May 2019 21:29 (six years ago)

Trump told POLITICO on Friday that it would be “appropriate” for him to speak to Attorney General Bill Barr about launching an investigation into his potential 2020 rival, Joe Bidenhttps://t.co/f3FGEBoRA4

— POLITICO (@politico) May 11, 2019

cool

mookieproof, Saturday, 11 May 2019 03:55 (six years ago)

can't wait for Dems to strongly condemn this and then fully cooperate with the investigation without even being asked

frogbs, Saturday, 11 May 2019 04:03 (six years ago)

The question of whether Trump could pressure Barr to probe Biden is coming under scrutiny after Rudy Giuliani, the president’s personal attorney, said he would be traveling to Ukraine to urge the incoming government there to look at Hunter Biden’s involvement with a Ukrainian energy company that has reportedly been in prosecutors’ crosshairs. The efforts appear to be part of a broader campaign by Trump’s allies to damage the former Democratic vice president’s White House campaign and have raised questions about whether Trump’s team is trying to enlist a foreign government to aid the president’s re-election bid.

questions

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Saturday, 11 May 2019 04:10 (six years ago)

lol why wouldn't you if you were him

frogbs, Saturday, 11 May 2019 04:14 (six years ago)

one tv star is using rudy giuliani, the greatest mind of the 20th and 21st century, to ask another tv star for a favor

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Saturday, 11 May 2019 04:19 (six years ago)

Hunter Biden being hired to ‘work’ for Burisma was clearly an attempt to influence Joe - and reflects badly on all involved - but there is no indication that it worked. Biden sr pressured the Ukrainian government into sacking an anti-corruption prosecutor who had absolutely no interest in prosecuting anyone for corruption, least of all Burisma.

He might have a bit more luck with the other strand - potential election interference by the Ukrainian government / security services.

It doesn’t sound like Zelenskiy is going to meet Giuliani personally, though, and he seems smart enough to not want to bet the house on Trump getting re-elected,

ShariVari, Saturday, 11 May 2019 06:42 (six years ago)

lol, trip cancelled, Giuliani calling the new Ukrainian government ‘enemies of the President”. That went well.

ShariVari, Saturday, 11 May 2019 06:52 (six years ago)

also just changed his mind about being gray, has black hair now, not a weird guy at all

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 11 May 2019 13:30 (six years ago)

what a coincidence that he just so happens to single out the only Muslim congresswomen over and over

Democrat Rep. Tlaib is being slammed for her horrible and highly insensitive statement on the Holocaust. She obviously has tremendous hatred of Israel and the Jewish people. Can you imagine what would happen if I ever said what she said, and says?

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 13, 2019

frogbs, Monday, 13 May 2019 15:45 (six years ago)

can y'all imagine?

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 13 May 2019 15:49 (six years ago)

Can you imagine what would happen if I ever said what she said, and says?

Nothing. As usual.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, 13 May 2019 15:52 (six years ago)

Yes, Mr. Trump, I believe my powers of observation wrt things that have already occurred many times over are such that I can imagine what would happen if you expressed the anti-Semitism you're attributing to Rep. Tlaib.

Have you ever had a dream that you um you had your you you could you (Old Lunch), Monday, 13 May 2019 15:53 (six years ago)

Looking forward to 2020 where dems are running on expanding medicare and tax advantaged job training savings accounts and the gop running on sliming the dems for cheering on the holocaust and practicing infanticide

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Monday, 13 May 2019 16:44 (six years ago)

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/14/steve-bannon-white-house-fbi-trump-meeting

Tiltin' My Lens Photography (stevie), Tuesday, 14 May 2019 14:48 (six years ago)

good morning!

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 May 2019 14:50 (six years ago)

umm, this alabama abortion ban? jesus christ

global tetrahedron, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 03:38 (six years ago)

yes fuck this world

Dan S, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 03:43 (six years ago)

Aggressive abortion laws, increased sabre rattling toward Iran, economy teetering under the weight of pointless tariffs. Things are getting real dark, real quick.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 03:45 (six years ago)

garnish with constitutional crisis

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 03:49 (six years ago)

Yeah, there's this element to Barr and Trump stonewalling and bringing legal challenges to subpoenas, where commentators will insist there's no legal standing to their positions, but we are clearly in a world where the courts are stacked, and a purely political ruling that goes directly against all constitutional precedents is absolutely a possibility.

The goal is to shut down all the standard legal functions of government as a means to consolidate political power forever, and we are already well down that path.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 03:58 (six years ago)

yup

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 04:06 (six years ago)

The US federal government asked the governor of Florida to sign a contract not to disclose which counties had been attacked by Russia https://t.co/E6WX4du9ZK pic.twitter.com/5aPcTPKyqA

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) May 14, 2019

Tiltin' My Lens Photography (stevie), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 06:58 (six years ago)

Folks,

PBS: A cartoon aardvark's teacher just married his husband

Gorka: We are living during the Reign of Terror https://t.co/Mhohjzxwq5 pic.twitter.com/ghikpfYcZK

— Matt Ford (@fordm) May 15, 2019

jaymc, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 14:47 (six years ago)

I had no idea Arthur was an aardvark

silverfish, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 15:07 (six years ago)

I had no idea Arthur was still on TV

frogbs, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 15:16 (six years ago)

pale imitation of the Falwell/Tinky Winky controversy

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 15:21 (six years ago)

bringing cartoons to life always seems to be one of those medical advances that is ten years away

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 15:24 (six years ago)

https://www.rt.com/usa/459344-arthur-gay-marriage-pbs/

well done with that first tweet guys

frogbs, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 15:57 (six years ago)

Quite useful btw

Thread alert!

Hopping mad about dwindling abortion access? Welcome, we've been waiting for you.

Here are some ways you can show up today in your state -- please settle in for the long haul. We need you now, and we need you for the weeks, months, and years to come.

— Steph Herold (@StephHerold) May 15, 2019

JoeStork, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 17:17 (six years ago)

Minnesota has a HOTDISH MILITIA and I am in lurve.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 18:00 (six years ago)

During Wednesday’s 700 Club, televangelist Pat Robertson said that the Alabama legislature has “gone too far,” in its proposed ban on abortion. Robertson is not faulting the state for its attempt to prevent abortions saying “God bless them,” but says its ban could be successfully challenged.

“It’s an extreme law and they want to challenge Roe vs. Wade but my humble view is that this is not the case we want to bring to the Supreme Court because I think this one will lose,” he said.

“The Alabama case, God bless them, they’re trying to do something, but I don’t think that’s the case that I’d want to bring to the Supreme Court,” he later reiterated.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 20:10 (six years ago)

The abortion law that’s too extreme for Pat Robertson. Holy shit

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 20:21 (six years ago)

Seems more for strategic reasons though

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 22:39 (six years ago)

I’m glad mr. ratburn has found happiness. He was alsays a caring if stern teacher but there was a palpable sadness to him too. That’s hopefully over now.

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 23:02 (six years ago)

From what i remember. I watched a lot of tv as a kid.

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 15 May 2019 23:04 (six years ago)

https://www.thedailybeast.com/william-barr-to-pelosi-did-you-bring-your-handcuffs

ha ha ha ha. ha ha ha. ha ha.

Fuck these peope sideways.

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 15 May 2019 23:50 (six years ago)

Seems like the comment of someone who holds your authority in contempt.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 16 May 2019 00:43 (six years ago)

Kinda counting down to the day when the reaction shifts from 'smiled' to 'pulled out a flick knife and sliced off his right ear'.

Independent Living Ass (Old Lunch), Thursday, 16 May 2019 01:27 (six years ago)

We'll be counting our way into the camps

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 16 May 2019 01:36 (six years ago)

Regardless of the likelihood of this guy getting locked up—what the fuck is the purpose of taking it off the table and making a joke out of it?

These people are just greasing the skids.

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 16 May 2019 01:40 (six years ago)

Maybe you need to be Canadian to fully appreciate the evil that is Conrad Black but this is jaw-dropping to me tbh: https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/trump-issues-full-pardon-to-conrad-black-1.4424348?fbclid=IwAR335QVupznWL-6zMZozmFA0TpdW5dByMJ3rHBgBg8ANYcJcHc16GQcvLUY

Is there even any attempt at an argument that Black did not engage in fraud on a large scale or is this just nakedly because he wrote a biography of Trump?

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Thursday, 16 May 2019 01:55 (six years ago)

And I enjoyed Black's huge FDR bio a decade ago

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 May 2019 01:57 (six years ago)

So apparently there was. (Two of three mail fraud convictions were eventually overturned but not the obstruction of justice conviction.)

All along there is the sound of feedback (Sund4r), Thursday, 16 May 2019 02:06 (six years ago)

If the accusation is untrue you are obstructing ~injustice~.
-bob marley

Hunt3r, Thursday, 16 May 2019 02:43 (six years ago)

fbclid=IwAR335QVupznWL-6zMZozmFA0TpdW5dByMJ3rHBgBg8ANYcJcHc16GQcvLUY

blokes you can't rust (sic), Thursday, 16 May 2019 04:06 (six years ago)

In a statement, White House press secretary Sarah Sanders described Black as “an entrepreneur and scholar”
presumably makes reference to the fact that Black was the primary architect of today's rapacious, destructive scientific publishing model - in which public money funds research, from which academics write articles for the journals for free, peer-review for free, pay a $1000ish "publication charge" for largely automated typesetting (or multiple thousands for open access) and then public money is spent on multimillion dollar journal subscriptions to access this publicly-funded content. The most profitable business on the globe, with the net effect of restricting access to scientific findings. Thanks Conrad, enjoy your richly deserved pardon from president fuckstick.

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 16 May 2019 05:17 (six years ago)

What's the American equivalent of "gammon"? pic.twitter.com/b7h9Eh2aaB

— Ana Oppenheim 🌹#LP4MEP (@AnaOpp) May 15, 2019

calzino, Thursday, 16 May 2019 08:11 (six years ago)

country ham

Tiltin' My Lens Photography (stevie), Thursday, 16 May 2019 10:23 (six years ago)

I am starting to blame women that they didn't stab these guys in the dick when they had the chance.

Yerac, Thursday, 16 May 2019 14:01 (six years ago)

Trump will shut that shit down if he's not getting a cut.

WmC, Thursday, 16 May 2019 14:14 (six years ago)

that is fucking horrifying

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 16 May 2019 14:21 (six years ago)

So bizarre I kind of want one.

jmm, Thursday, 16 May 2019 14:23 (six years ago)

Looking forward to the Vic Berger supercut.

nonsense upon stilts (Sanpaku), Thursday, 16 May 2019 14:33 (six years ago)

(Vic Berger's Jim Bakker videos)

nonsense upon stilts (Sanpaku), Thursday, 16 May 2019 14:34 (six years ago)

The fact that Jim Bakker wasn't instantly reduced to a puddle of goo after foisting that into the world is possibly the strongest argument against the existence of god that I've ever encountered.

Independent Living Ass (Old Lunch), Thursday, 16 May 2019 14:36 (six years ago)

time travel
god

We've really been on a roll these last few years.

Independent Living Ass (Old Lunch), Thursday, 16 May 2019 14:37 (six years ago)

One spoonful of cheese slop will restore your faith.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOH37W0jPpA

jmm, Thursday, 16 May 2019 14:53 (six years ago)

there's something weirdly mesmerizing about all those videos. I think Vic is best when he stays away from Trump

frogbs, Thursday, 16 May 2019 15:03 (six years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVz6owGeQX0

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 16 May 2019 15:14 (six years ago)

like how does he manage to make this so hilarious and terrifying at the same time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4h_VXG8xrM&feature=youtu.be&t=4m

frogbs, Thursday, 16 May 2019 15:15 (six years ago)

good morning!

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 May 2019 15:16 (six years ago)

I am pretty much convinced that the Dems are going to do absolutely nothing to hold Trump accountable, fuck around during the primaries with a stage full of morons, then hand Trump a convincing electoral college victory. Only hope now is the economy crashes before Election Day, which is some shit.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Thursday, 16 May 2019 15:59 (six years ago)

catastrophizing itt has always sucked and continues to suck, don't do it

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 May 2019 16:12 (six years ago)

ugh, I was too early for the good morning.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 May 2019 16:12 (six years ago)

.....where are the tax returns?

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 16 May 2019 16:15 (six years ago)

Where are the saxophones

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Thursday, 16 May 2019 16:20 (six years ago)

Do you guys like trump?

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 16 May 2019 16:21 (six years ago)

honestly, not really a big fan

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 16 May 2019 16:27 (six years ago)

Me neither. Glad to have some fellowship on this point.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 16 May 2019 16:29 (six years ago)

PBKR OTM

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 16 May 2019 16:33 (six years ago)

can y'all get your own board

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 May 2019 16:37 (six years ago)

or log off for a while until you calm down

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 May 2019 16:37 (six years ago)

"Alienation is the craze" -- Ric Ocasek

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 May 2019 16:38 (six years ago)

right or wrong. i melt down a lot and i don't think it's the best use of time. but a lot of people feel this way

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 16 May 2019 16:43 (six years ago)

can y'all get your own board

Sorry, I haven’t done a lot of that here, but I’ve been feeling enraged by the House fucking around lately. You are right, it’s not that helpful.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Thursday, 16 May 2019 16:51 (six years ago)

thanks! i understand the impulse to catastrophize v much, which is prob why i have a huge anxiety attack every time it happens

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 May 2019 16:58 (six years ago)

god, why do i want that stupid $45 coin?

(note that i could ask god this directly if i had the coin)

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 16 May 2019 16:59 (six years ago)

i suggest we designate some old thread to post existential meltdowns on. it can be like the area 100 feet away from a campsite that everyone agrees is the place to take a dump (in wilderness campsites that don't have bathrooms, i mean)

this is a really good post

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 16 May 2019 17:07 (six years ago)

talk to the coin

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 16 May 2019 17:14 (six years ago)

Treeship even started a meltdown thread and won't keep it there -- Is Donald J Trump a psychopath?

WmC, Thursday, 16 May 2019 17:24 (six years ago)

re: the mental health article, i was already a little fragile for various reasons prior to trump, so can't say that he's entirely the reason, but having it confirmed that i basically have no future to look forward to and instead will experience a slow-grinding catastrophe for the rest of my (surely and unnecessarily) shortened life upon his election was a nice clincher into some real problems. at least now i know i can live fully in the present as that's all that exists, etc. idk do they really need a study to show that he's bad for people's brains

global tetrahedron, Thursday, 16 May 2019 17:29 (six years ago)

They don’t need a study. But it is worth pointing out that his “disruptive” style that allowed him to hack the news cycle is basically torturing people.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 16 May 2019 17:35 (six years ago)

AMERICA TAKES DRUGS IN PSYCHIC SELF-DEFENSE

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 16 May 2019 17:51 (six years ago)

I must have missed in the thread title that this is supposed to be some kind of repository for optimism.

ffs it’s a politics thread. It’s not “catastrophizing” to assess the bleak prospects right now and acknowledge them. Nor do ilxor posts have fuck all to do with the fate of the nation.

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 16 May 2019 17:59 (six years ago)

“get your own board” is some serious challops

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:02 (six years ago)

thanks

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:03 (six years ago)

well dude seriously

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:04 (six years ago)

i'm gonna do a morbs and abandon the politics thread, enjoy yourself

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:04 (six years ago)

I am pretty much convinced that the Dems are going to do absolutely nothing to hold Trump accountable, fuck around during the primaries with a stage full of morons, then hand Trump a convincing electoral college victory. Only hope now is the economy crashes before Election Day, which is some shit.

^anyway is this really a dramatically pessimistic take?

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:06 (six years ago)

Brad it’s far from enjoyable but it can be a place to commiserate. No need to run off.

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:09 (six years ago)

It’s not “catastrophizing” to assess the bleak prospects right now and acknowledge them.

it is ... if instead of assessing them rationally you assess them through a lens of panic, hopelessness, etc

the late great, Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:12 (six years ago)

Yeah, Brad, don’t leave!

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:13 (six years ago)

i feel like people should be allowed to say pessimistic stuff? pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will and all that

findom haddie (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:13 (six years ago)

everyone is of course allowed to say whatever they want, up to and including pointing out that gallows "humor" like this

We'll be counting our way into the camps

― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII)

isn't really that funny

the late great, Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:14 (six years ago)

catastrophe is not inevitable... but it's the way to bet

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:15 (six years ago)

i'm gonna do a morbs and abandon the politics thread, enjoy yourself

See you in three days!

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:16 (six years ago)

i can play Brad in his absence

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:18 (six years ago)

i can play Brad in his absence


wait you are gonna lobby for optimism?

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:19 (six years ago)

characterizing a second trump victory as an inevitability is catastrophizing, it makes me fucking spiral. if y'all wanna post things that make me spiral, i'd rather not be here

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:20 (six years ago)

anyway I think one can arrive at PBKR’s forecast (and a feeling of hopelessness, I guess?) w/o panicking in the least, but simply by a sober reading of recent developments, autocratic histories, the players involved, the national mood, etc.

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:20 (six years ago)

none of which is exclusive to working to stop it from happening

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:21 (six years ago)

everyone is of course allowed to say whatever they want, up to and including pointing out that gallows "humor" like this

/We'll be counting our way into the camps

― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII)/

isn't really that funny


Yeah I agree, it’s not

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:23 (six years ago)

We just need to be kind and supportive to one another and what we're going through and what ever nutzoid ways the trauma expresses itself, y'all. These are the times that try etc. But in the end it's important to remember

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXGgWf2lacM

Blithering Hayseed (Old Lunch), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:23 (six years ago)

It comes across as a way to abdicate xxpost one of responsibility and needlessly shit on the positive developments that do occasionally crop up

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:24 (six years ago)

xxp But it could only be an attempt at humor because that could never happen here

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:26 (six years ago)

Remember how sure we all were Mueller would be fired? Some of us posted about it but countered with follow-up actions that could be taken if it did happen. Others just said defeatist nonsense, and then logged off for the night.

I see much more of the latter than the former.

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:27 (six years ago)

I'm as guilty of catastrophizing as the next guy but I have to remind myself of who benefits when we flail about in paroxysms of panic. Hint: it ain't us.

Blithering Hayseed (Old Lunch), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:30 (six years ago)

Well, as I remind y'all every six weeks when someone posts croaking of doom, I'm a gay Floridian of color. I don't have time for despair because I've been fighting GOP motherfuckers my whole life, including my own family. I'll keep donating, volunteering, and fighting, thanks.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:34 (six years ago)

sorry for harshing everybody’s mellow I’m sure everything’s gonna be juuuuust fine

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:35 (six years ago)

I guess I was catastrophizing so someone could pick me up and say things maybe aren’t so bad. I sincerely don’t want it to add to anyone else’s load.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:36 (six years ago)

Things are bad. Things have always been bad for many of us. I suppose farting in a message board is preferable to sitting him chewing on the fag ends of one's despair.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:38 (six years ago)

I still think it’s unlikely that Trump wins re-election but if Biden ends up the nominee catastrophic thinking is pretty logical no matter how the election goes. Anyway I don’t think this is the week to castigate people for being overly negative.

JoeStork, Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:41 (six years ago)

But yeah, there are always worthwhile things to do even when feelings of doom are everywhere.

JoeStork, Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:43 (six years ago)

One of the harder lessons about politics is how to pace yourself for the long fight and figure out how that long fight fits into your life's other priorities. Sometimes it is all you can do just to keep a broad sketch of what's happening, without having the attention to take any action beyond maybe voting, but without giving up on politics entirely.

Right now I think that tossing some money into the right channels is about as effective as I can be, but that money can help finance paying a few activists like HOOS enough salary to scrape by, and their passion can be leveraged better than my waning energies.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:44 (six years ago)

Please tell me if there's a better place to put shit like this

Holy crap lmao:

"Just $185 of the roughly $652,000 that House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer raised for his re-election fund from January through March came from [small] contributions." https://t.co/ROpQB6xytn

— Alex Kotch 🔥 (@alexkotch) May 15, 2019

Heez, Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:46 (six years ago)

he shoulda learned to game those numbers like Cuomo does

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:50 (six years ago)

breaking: the $185 in small contributions to Steny Hoyer came from a single mistaken transaction on Venmo, when Pam Jergins, intending to pay an acquaintance for some housepainting work he did over the weekend, accidentally sent money to Steny Hoyer instead of Steny Boyer

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 16 May 2019 18:50 (six years ago)

i'm gonna do a morbs and abandon the politics thread, enjoy yourself

― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, May 17, 2019 4:04 AM

[posts again]

― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, May 17, 2019 4:20 AM

flawless impersonation imo

blokes you can't rust (sic), Thursday, 16 May 2019 21:26 (six years ago)

C'mon

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Thursday, 16 May 2019 23:55 (six years ago)

As tensions between Iran and the United States increase in the Middle East, the Pentagon briefing room is being used to host Gene Simmons of Kiss. pic.twitter.com/NauZ0bfkgm

— Idrees Ali (@idreesali114) May 16, 2019

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Friday, 17 May 2019 17:58 (six years ago)

Ok, I am finally coming around to this all being a simulation.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Friday, 17 May 2019 18:00 (six years ago)

He commands an army iirc

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 17 May 2019 18:07 (six years ago)

House passes Equality act; eight Republicans break party line.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 May 2019 21:51 (six years ago)

every now and again i remember that in the actual world we live in, the president's lawyer was convicted of paying off a porn actress that the president was cheating on his wife with, and went down for it, and the president's response was to talk shit about him on Twitter

extremely cool and very normal and totally not shameful or embarrassing at all for republicans to support someone like that

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 17 May 2019 22:31 (six years ago)

That may be true, but at the same time, who among us does not retain a lawyer who was convicted of paying off a porn actress that we were cheating on our wife with, and went down for it, and then talked shit about him on Twitter?

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Saturday, 18 May 2019 02:04 (six years ago)

I’m still fond of the one where the president was caught on tape bragging about how good he is at sexually assaulting women, and then, to kind of make up for that, he hired all the women his opponent’s husband cheated on her with to sit in the audience at their debate.

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 18 May 2019 04:07 (six years ago)

And then got elected

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Saturday, 18 May 2019 13:46 (six years ago)

The People spoke.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 18 May 2019 16:17 (six years ago)

Sadly, what The People were saying got badly garbled via transmission through a faulty line installed in 1786.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 18 May 2019 16:18 (six years ago)

I’m still fond of the one where the president was caught on tape bragging about how good he is at sexually assaulting women, and then, to kind of make up for that, he hired all the women his opponent’s husband cheated on her with to sit in the audience at their debate.

― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, May 18, 2019 12:07 AM (thirteen hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Believe it or not, I remember this. What a prankster.

Trϵϵship, Saturday, 18 May 2019 17:18 (six years ago)

hey you liberals wanted a sexual revolution and now you got it and you’re complaining idgi

the late great, Saturday, 18 May 2019 17:34 (six years ago)

This Iran thing...

brimstead, Saturday, 18 May 2019 18:14 (six years ago)

Why bother creating a bullshit justification if you’re just gonna bypass congress, just go for it

brimstead, Saturday, 18 May 2019 18:14 (six years ago)

uh yeah

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Saturday, 18 May 2019 18:15 (six years ago)

sic can you post the end of that url for us, thx

brimstead, Saturday, 18 May 2019 18:16 (six years ago)

Aren't they backing away from Iran escalation now?

Weirdly enough, Trump seems to have been a moderating voice in this instance.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 18 May 2019 18:29 (six years ago)

Maybe he's setting up a golf course there.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 18 May 2019 18:41 (six years ago)

Trump's ultra-belligerent talk can distract people from the fact that, instinctively, he knows getting involved in a war is risky, dirty, dangerous, and hard work. Remember, he attended a military academy for a while and the distaste for that experience is evident. He's OK with other people taking those risks, facing those dangers, and doing all that work, so long as he can stay totally uninvolved with it, but now that he is president he'd have to get dragged into any wars he starts. He could blunder and stumble his way into a war, but he won't do it coolly and with forethought.

A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 18 May 2019 18:48 (six years ago)

I'm not entirely sure what this thread from a Republican congressman means, but I'm guessing his twitter account got hacked...

Here are my principal conclusions:
1. Attorney General Barr has deliberately misrepresented Mueller’s report.
2. President Trump has engaged in impeachable conduct.
3. Partisanship has eroded our system of checks and balances.
4. Few members of Congress have read the report.

— Justin Amash (@justinamash) May 18, 2019

Frederik B, Saturday, 18 May 2019 20:58 (six years ago)

Justin Amash was the only republican that didn't come off as a maniac during the Michael Cohen questioning.

Yerac, Saturday, 18 May 2019 21:07 (six years ago)

He sucks 94% of the time but i’ll give him this: he’s the guy that internet libertarians think Rand Paul is

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Saturday, 18 May 2019 21:56 (six years ago)

Reports say he's going to be pardoning legit war criminals on Memorial Day.

I could swear Cobra Commander used to be more subtle than this about his wholesale devotion to evil.

Blithering Hayseed (Old Lunch), Sunday, 19 May 2019 02:17 (six years ago)

sic can you post the end of that url for us, thx

sorry to report that you in fact posted a url, not a secondary piece of code that undermines stet's ability to have the site pay for itself, or that funds a company that actively subverts Western democracy, on this heartbreaking post-election day

blokes you can't rust (sic), Sunday, 19 May 2019 09:42 (six years ago)

As Trump attacks first Republican to call for impeachment, Mitt Romney says: 'The American people are just not there'

mittens, leading from behind

mookieproof, Sunday, 19 May 2019 17:44 (six years ago)

He could blunder and stumble his way into a war, but he won't do it coolly and with forethought.

i think there's a third way (or maybe a subset ounder blundering and stumbling) that involves other people (like john bolton) deliberately steering the US into a massive conflict, just because there's one else speaking with authority in the room. as of a few days ago, trump was saying that he "disagreed" with some of the policies in iran, which is interesting because he's the president, and he can change the policies with iran anytime he wants. so who is in charge? i assume it's people who know things like, i don't know, what the major cities are in the area, or what languages are spoken, or what historical reasons for the conflict. things that donald trump will never know. it's a dangerous situation to be in, especially when the idiot who should be in charge is prone to overreactions like his tweet from 10 minutes ago:

'If Iran wants to fight, that will be the official end of Iran. Never threaten the United States again!'

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Sunday, 19 May 2019 20:35 (six years ago)

Listened to a podcast about this today. War with Iran would be a disaster. The other threat is Iran blowing up Kuwait and Saudi Arabia’s desalinization plants and millions of people dying of thirst.

https://geopoliticsalert.com/millennium-challenge-us-navy-lost-simulated-war-iran

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Sunday, 19 May 2019 22:39 (six years ago)

No posts in two days, huh

Everyone - not just here, but everywhere - is so fucking burned out on the whole having an openly criminal president thing. House leadership is holding closed door meetings about whether to impeach after McGahn’s no show (Pelosi still opposes) and no one gives a shit. We’re all just waiting to cast our vote in November 2020 I guess

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 17:31 (six years ago)

I mean, I get not posting here, too. Just kind of bizarre, like looking back at a 1974 ILX thread and no one’s mentioning the whole Nixon thing

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 17:33 (six years ago)

Hard to stay engaged as a Democrat when the House Democrats prefer smelling their own farts to taking any real action to save us.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 17:41 (six years ago)

*bullshit deleted*

they want the people to lead, it’s fucking nervy and scary, hoping it’s all in my head.

Hunt3r, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 17:43 (six years ago)

and also as the media/pollsters attempt to prenominate someone conceivably a surer loser than Hillary Clinton

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 17:44 (six years ago)

Sorta feels like a 'in case of complete untethering of institutional norms, break glass' sitch at this point tbh, everybody waiting around for someone else to use the little hammer. Except the hammer is rapidly melting so...y'know.

5 favrite kind of animal. jaguar. giraffe. (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 17:45 (six years ago)

I'd rather have silence than howls of despair.

Judge Amit Mehta wrote this yesterday:

hese words, written by President James Buchanan in March 1860, protested a resolution adopted by the U.S. House of Representatives to form a committee—known as the Covode Committee—to investigate whether the President or any other officer of the Executive Branch had sought to influence the actions of Congress by improper means.

Buchanan “cheerfully admitted” that the House of Representatives had the authority to make inquiries “incident to their legislative duties,” as “necessary to enable them to discover and to provide the appropriate legislative remedies for any abuses which may be ascertained.” But he objected to the Covode Committee’s investigation of his conduct. He maintained that the House of Representatives possessed no general powers to investigate him, except when sitting as an impeaching body. Buchanan feared that, if the House were to exercise such authority, it “would establish a precedent dangerous and embarrassing to all my successors, to whatever political party they might be attached.”

Some 160 years later, President Donald J. Trump has taken up the fight of his predecessor.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 17:50 (six years ago)

Everybody's been posting about G.o.T. and Charlie Watts, duh.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 17:52 (six years ago)

some of my deleted bullshit was about need for big performative marches, very aimed at gop. Some dems are sad and scared and soft, need vigorous encouragement on their own platforms. but with a trump given any - even none- results of too much vigor could be bad on the street. so pressure builds.

Hunt3r, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 17:53 (six years ago)

PORTER: Do you know what an REO is?

CARSON: An OREO...

PORTER: No, not an OREO. An REO.

CARSON: Real estate...?

PORTER: What’s the “O” stand for? pic.twitter.com/zGwHfhajJC

— Dan Zak (@MrDanZak) May 21, 2019

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 17:56 (six years ago)

One big reason for the slowdown in the politics thread is that there's not much of anything new coming out of Congress, either legislatively or investigatively. The Mueller report was successfully quashed, mainly because Mueller did not subpoena Trump and failed to make a forthright finding of obstruction, allowing the Republicans to quash it in the media, because the media of 2019 is a far different animal than the media of 1974 and it cooperated fully in the Republican subterfuge.

Talking about the administration policies has become nearly impossible, because this administration has no policies to speak of, only whims. The Iran stuff is so utterly confused and conflicting that you can't say anything about it that fits a detectable pattern of thought or intention. The escalated trade war with China hasn't yet flowed into the economy and the administration regularly contradicts itself on trade policy. It's stagnation on the one hand and chaos on the other and there's not much left to say past that.

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 18:15 (six years ago)

yep, your last sentence there sums it up very nicely. which is why, for instance, I'd put the odds about equal of waking up one day to war with Iran and waking up one day to learn of a "really great, really beautiful deal" with Iran that puts us back in the exact same spot with them as we were in 2016.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 19:33 (six years ago)

As democracies go, it sure seems awful arbitrary.

5 favrite kind of animal. jaguar. giraffe. (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 19:36 (six years ago)

House Judiciary Committee just subpoenaed Hope Hicks

i guess their plan is to hold the entire trump administration in contempt

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 20:12 (six years ago)

they'd better pick up the pace

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 20:32 (six years ago)

countdown to Trump coming up with a complimentary nickname for everyone who has been held in contempt by congress, ie, how 'the deplorables' became a badge of honor for idiots

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 20:39 (six years ago)

the Held in Contempt panel is going to be amazing at CPAC 2019

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 20:42 (six years ago)

contemptibles obv

Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 20:54 (six years ago)

doesn't work; too many letters for trump

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 21:01 (six years ago)

too long; cannot read

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 21:02 (six years ago)

Hey maybe if we all agree to use only words comprised three or more syllables Trump will just start doing that confused head cocking thing that a dog does when it hears a weird sound and then wander off in a haze and accidentally lock himself in a shed that a White House gardener accidentally left open and then because no one would ever think to look for him there he just starves to death. It's a long shot but it's worth a try.

5 favrite kind of animal. jaguar. giraffe. (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 21 May 2019 21:45 (six years ago)

am i counting wrong or is contemptible is only two more letters than deplorable

the late great, Tuesday, 21 May 2019 22:03 (six years ago)

what's this i hear about Pelosi feeling some real heat to do something ?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 13:45 (six years ago)

If you put a lobster in a pot and turn up the heat after it never feels itself die

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 14:12 (six years ago)

good morning!

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 14:18 (six years ago)

impeachment is trending w/in the Dems it seems

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 15:31 (six years ago)

"We do believe that it is important to follow the facts, we believe that no one is above the law, including the president of the United States, and we believe the president of the United States is engaged in a cover up, in a cover up," Pelosi told reporters on Capitol Hill.

FYI our pres is involved in a cover up nbd tho

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 15:51 (six years ago)

she's gonna get the papers, get the papers

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 15:52 (six years ago)

Nancy Two times has a nice ring

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 15:54 (six years ago)

its a demo its a demo its a demo its a demo

Tiltin' My Lens Photography (stevie), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 16:01 (six years ago)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-takes-aim-at-house-democrats-as-they-prepare-to-discuss-impeachment-calls/2019/05/22/a36ea0d0-7c79-11e9-8bb7-0fc796cf2ec0_story.html?utm_term=.764d9f9f6367

I literally cannot imagine being so dumb as to be impressed by this behaviour

Tiltin' My Lens Photography (stevie), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 16:11 (six years ago)

has anyone asked Trump or his people why the man is so against an investigation into Russian election meddling? it's so bizarre that "leader of the country" is constantly disparaging an investigation into an "attack" on US.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 16:17 (six years ago)

maybe she means the cover up is within another cover up.

Evan, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 16:18 (six years ago)

on a trivial note, this was a silly move ("populism" at its most gratuitous)

https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/444780-warren-ocasio-cortez-rip-game-of-thrones-finale-ugh-this-is

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 16:18 (six years ago)

Trump cites Pelosi's statement this morning on a "cover up." "Instead of walking in happily to a meeting, I walk in to look at people who said I was doing a cover-up. I don't do cover-ups. You people know that probably better than anybody," Trump says to reporters.

lol dude even you dont believe this

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 16:24 (six years ago)

“I hated the last three episodes … my two favorite characters, destroyed,” Gillibrand said.

rip Qyburn and Harry Strickland

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 16:25 (six years ago)

"We do believe that it is important to follow the facts, we believe that no one is above the law, including the president of the United States, and we believe the president of the United States is engaged in a cover up, in a cover up," Pelosi told reporters on Capitol Hill.

♪♫ very thin ice, very thin ice ♫♪

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 16:25 (six years ago)

OMG this sign

Podium set up in the Rose Garden with statistics on the Mueller investigation. pic.twitter.com/cZMytbKbvS

— Rebecca Ballhaus (@rebeccaballhaus) May 22, 2019

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 16:27 (six years ago)

thats some hamfisted popaganda there ffs

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 16:28 (six years ago)

"I don't do cover-ups. You people know that probably better than anybody," Trump says to reporters.

If by this he means his motives and actions are transparent as a six-year-old's, then he is right.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 16:29 (six years ago)

As with so much of the shit he pulls, the content of that WaPo story, in isolation and with no additional context, is really enough to demonstrate how unfit he is for office. Awwww, Pwesident Thinskin McPissypants got a widdle bit of cwiticism and now just can't even with the infrastructure of the country over which he presides? Shut the fuck up and do your fucking job, you mildewed beanbag.

5 favrite kind of animal. jaguar. giraffe. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 16:30 (six years ago)

he is doing his job!! sticking it to the libs!

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 16:31 (six years ago)

Let me just say this, and I want to say this to the television audience: I made my mistakes, but in all of my years of public life, I have never profited, never profited from public service. I have earned every cent. And in all of my years of public life, I have never obstructed justice. And I think, too, that I could say that in my years of public life, that I welcome this kind of examination, because people have got to know whether or not their President does cover-ups. Well, I am not doing a cover-up. I've earned everything I've got.

Good morning, how are you, I'm (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 16:32 (six years ago)

Listen and listen good: if I'm saying words, they must be true.

5 favrite kind of animal. jaguar. giraffe. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 16:34 (six years ago)

The court stenographers are all transcribing Pelosi's statement starting with the words "He just took a pass," but heard in full context it's actually a pretty savage burn...

"The reason, maybe it was a lack of confidence on his part that he really couldn't match the greatness of the challenge that we have, and wasn't really respectful of the Congress and the White House working together - he just took a pass."

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 16:53 (six years ago)

he's also had a chance to hear from his camp since the first meeting and they told him he could never get the money for that Bill and this is an easy way to just blame the dems

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 17:03 (six years ago)

he should have brought candy to the meeting, that always works

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 17:21 (six years ago)

he needed to tell her to relax and give her a shoulder massage, like that time w hit merkel. big power move.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTQY1Aw9zcs

Hunt3r, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 17:38 (six years ago)

when i read the times story on this i kept scrolling back to check the date stamp

maura, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 18:18 (six years ago)

Trump was searching desperately for a way to slither out of an infrastructure deal ever since Mitch told him he'd never move such a thing through the senate. Nancy offered him a way out. Now they're both happy, even though they are pretending to have had a pre-prom breakup.

— Jeffrey St. Clair (@JSCCounterPunch) May 22, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 19:22 (six years ago)

"I don't do coverups", says the man who forces every single person he shakes hands with to sign an NDA

frogbs, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 19:30 (six years ago)

taps head : can't loss a negotiation , if there is no negotiation

fucking geniuses this guy is !let me tell ya

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 19:31 (six years ago)

I don't do coverups", says the man who forces every single person he shakes hands with to sign an NDA tries to cover up his balding scalp daily.

― frogbs, Wednesday, May 22, 2019 3:30 PM (one minute ago)

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 19:32 (six years ago)

Man, they fuck everything up...

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/harriet-tubman-20-bill-no-longer-coming-2020-mnuchin-says-n1008861

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 20:36 (six years ago)

This is so fucking dumb. He had the “no collusion” sign set up before he even stormed out of the meeting.

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 21:26 (six years ago)

i don't do cover ups, says the guy renowned for having his fixer work with national enquirer to purchase the rights of the stories of women he slept with so that his wife won't find out (quite as early as she would have)

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 21:29 (six years ago)

we are all dumber, for having lived through this time

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 21:29 (six years ago)

if you can call this living!

j., Wednesday, 22 May 2019 21:33 (six years ago)

It's just occurring to me that any non-useless human in his position could easily pivot toward more positive endeavors, even an entirely facile and ineffectual and cynical attempt to do good and bring the country together and put all this divisiveness behind us, and get most people (up to and including those parties who might otherwise continue to investigate and possibly even impeach him) to forget all about the shit he's done. But he is just congenitally incapable of being anything other than a debased piece of shit, even to his own detriment.

5 favrite kind of animal. jaguar. giraffe. (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 21:44 (six years ago)

yet the GOP Congress contains so many nihilists that even President Jeb! or President Rubio would pass nothing.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 21:48 (six years ago)

he doesn’t do coverups, what about those giant fuckin coats

maura, Wednesday, 22 May 2019 22:18 (six years ago)

the giant coat, the hair, the makeup

it's like the *only* thing he does

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 22 May 2019 22:24 (six years ago)

Trump notes captured by @jabinbotsford:
“They want to impeach me over acts that they did”
“Dems have no achomlishments [sic]”https://t.co/WUGczy4y2c pic.twitter.com/ealXzJEFJM

— Dan Eggen (@DanEggenWPost) May 22, 2019

j., Thursday, 23 May 2019 01:17 (six years ago)

"intentially"

an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 23 May 2019 02:01 (six years ago)

Autocorrect must really help him out with the tweers

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 03:35 (six years ago)

*tweets

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 03:35 (six years ago)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/while-teaching-elizabeth-warren-worked-on-more-than-50-legal-matters-charging-as-much-as-675-an-hour/2019/05/22/9ce56840-7ce0-11e9-8bb7-0fc796cf2ec0_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f17c02435ad6

really nice WaPo! you can fuck off right away with this shit . she must be really getting under the skin of a lot of powerful people

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 May 2019 13:48 (six years ago)

wapo: markets are good!

also wapo: omg wtf elizabeth warren charged the going rate for her services what a monster

michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 23 May 2019 13:53 (six years ago)

been seeing a lot of articles like that about Bernie too - "he claims to want to redistribute wealth, but he owns 4 houses!! How can this be?!?", it's like conservatives cannot fathom the idea of someone wanting to pass a law that they wouldn't directly benefit from

frogbs, Thursday, 23 May 2019 13:57 (six years ago)

I am paywalled here but is there something wrong with the Post reporting this? It's based on her own disclosures about doing bankruptcy advocacy, right? And for "a lot of powerful people"

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2019/05/22/warren-discloses-past-corporate-legal-work/ZyULPW4IyYcfn6zYaqTrzJ/story.html

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 23 May 2019 14:01 (six years ago)

I mean...it's hardly disqualifying but it's not irrelevant

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 23 May 2019 14:01 (six years ago)

I love EW but I think this context is valuable for voters who are no doubt mistaking her laudable fairness/anti-corruption crusade for a broader objection to the status quo

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 23 May 2019 14:04 (six years ago)

She's a former Republican who once advocated permanent immunity for Travelers Insurance from asbestos-related lawsuits

And I'lll vote for her! But let's not get it twisted.

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 23 May 2019 14:06 (six years ago)

to me it's just the way it is framed especially consider the context of all the other shit going on. idk maybe it's fine

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 May 2019 14:08 (six years ago)

it's not fine, lol

Frederik B, Thursday, 23 May 2019 14:09 (six years ago)

yeah newspapers should bury stories about candidates u like

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 May 2019 14:10 (six years ago)

Rex Tillerson, a man who is “dumb as a rock” and totally ill prepared and ill equipped to be Secretary of State, made up a story (he got fired) that I was out-prepared by Vladimir Putin at a meeting in Hamburg, Germany. I don’t think Putin would agree. Look how the U.S. is doing!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 23, 2019

the master of the self own ! hiring only the best people

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 May 2019 14:17 (six years ago)

Lemieux:

Frankly, I don’t trust people who charge people who can afford it the fair market rate for expert services. She should have inherited $400M illegally shielded from taxes from her daddy, or looted a casino, or refused to pay her bills, like a Real American.

The “best” part is going to be watching pundits who have spent weeks arguing that law professors have an absolute inalienable vested right to having their lucrative contracts as glorified dorm RAs perpetually renewed at their pleasure pivot to pretending to believe there’s something highly disturbing and unusual about prominent legal academics providing legal services.

The time between now and November 2020 will be the longest 100 years of my life.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 May 2019 14:19 (six years ago)

I have chosen one of the truly great business leaders of the world, Rex Tillerson, Chairman and CEO of ExxonMobil, to be Secretary of State.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 13, 2016

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 May 2019 14:19 (six years ago)

tbf the lizards were still in control of tillerson back then

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 May 2019 14:22 (six years ago)

Even when the story itself may be relatively innocuous & fact-based, such headlines are deliberate attempts to stir up a particular kind of #sexist #misogynistic shit. Media’s learnt nothing from ‘16, has it?

As many have pointed out, begun the Hillaryfication of @ewarren has. pic.twitter.com/OvmDoSPeng

— Kausik (@kausikdatta22) May 23, 2019

this otm regarding that article imo

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 May 2019 14:26 (six years ago)

because *every* presidential candidate doesn’t have his/her professional past scrutinized

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 23 May 2019 14:50 (six years ago)

it's not about the content of the article so much especially in a time where a lot of people don't even read the thing they just see a shady looking headline

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 May 2019 14:54 (six years ago)

But *all* headlines around these candidates are written to provoke.

“While teaching, Elizabeth Warren worked on more than 50 legal matters, charging as much as $675 an hour”

Clear misogyny!

The problem is that actual misogyny going to come hard and heavy...doing this now over the most standard-fare candidate vetting is going to inure ppl to the real deal, and alienate supporters of other candidates who resent the assertion

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:01 (six years ago)

doing this now over the most standard-fare candidate vetting is going to inure ppl to the real deal

can't say i can see how this is true

american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:05 (six years ago)

I think we're more likely to see similar headlines about Bernie (This fact seemingly goes against candidate's anti-corporate image) than about the other female candidates

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:07 (six years ago)

The problem is that actual misogyny going to come hard and heavy...doing this now over the most standard-fare candidate vetting is going to inure ppl to the real deal, and alienate supporters of other candidates who resent the assertion

― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, May 23, 2019 11:01 AM (five minutes ago)

or you can look at it as planting the seeds in the minds of voters before the hard and heavy stuff

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:08 (six years ago)

stop saying hard and heavy, it's turning me on

michael keaton IS jim thirlwell IN ‘foetaljuice’ (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:10 (six years ago)

basically is this is indicative of more things to come what is wrong with pointing it out now ? or just let us know when exactly it is ok to be offended

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:11 (six years ago)

first they came for the capitalists, and i said something

:∵·∴·∵: (crüt), Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:14 (six years ago)

In the world of billable hours $650 isn't shocking at all

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:17 (six years ago)

I think that high figure came from when she was working with a law firm too. That whole article with headline is a mess.

Yerac, Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:18 (six years ago)

I wonder if Obama ever made those Cantor Fitzgerald speeches that everyone got into such a huff about.

Yerac, Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:20 (six years ago)

The Apocalypse News, August 2023 Edition

BREAKING: Lawyers Routinely Make $650/hour and More, Analysts Say

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:20 (six years ago)

and some of these "lawyers" end up in positions of great authority. Sources say that some lawyers have even become president of the united states

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:21 (six years ago)

not lady lawyers

Yerac, Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:23 (six years ago)

re: Kausic^ the Post article is as indicative of the “Hillarification” (ugh) of EW as his tweet is reminiscent of the DNC playbook that helped stick us with a shit candidate: Responding to any callout on her corporate sympathies/warmongering/race demagoguing with accusations of misogyny in order to blunt the contrast with her opponent in the primaries.

Agreed, it’s gonna be a long season.

ftr I love Liz Warren, she’s my senator, she’s brilliant, she’s definitely no HRC, and I’d be very happy if she were president

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:23 (six years ago)

I honestly don't even understand how calling out a politician on any behavior whatsoever is an efficacious maneuver at this point. It feels like the ship of holding them to any ethical standard has definitively sailed.

5 favrite kind of animal. jaguar. giraffe. (Old Lunch), Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:30 (six years ago)

yeah newspapers should send out one lonely reporter to write down what the candidates say once in awhile

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:34 (six years ago)

The story is that a person took normal rates for doing normal hours, and it's framed as if it's deeply nefarious, and it only works because of sexism.

Frederik B, Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:34 (six years ago)

ok

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:38 (six years ago)

Ah I see a ton of people pushing back on how terribly written that Wapo thing is. Good.

Yerac, Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:40 (six years ago)

i cannot figure out what is newsworthy about the warren story and since the writers didn't bother to explain what was newsworthy either people are going to make up motivations/intent to fill that gap

Mordy, Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:41 (six years ago)

Also, Hilary got torpedoed by a scandal over her doing the same stuff with her emails that everyone else did, and in the end the freaking leader of the FBI involved himself a few weeks before the election. That was such a gigantic unprecedented thing, and it's an essential part of her legacy, and if anyone objects to the term 'Hilarification' to be used on stuff like that, then they're basically full of shit.

Nobody objects to 'Watergate' being used as a term because they hate the hotel so much...

Frederik B, Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:43 (six years ago)

I’m not low

The story is that a person took normal rates for doing normal hours, and it's framed as if it's deeply nefarious, and it only works because of sexism.
The story is that a person took normal rates for doing normal hours, and it's framed as if it's deeply nefarious, and it only works because of sexism.


what was the “story” on Bernie’s book profits? Ageism? Antisemitism? jfc

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:44 (six years ago)

That he refused to publish his tax returns. Then basically nothing happened.

Frederik B, Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:47 (six years ago)

Wasn't the story that he dragged his heels on releasing his taxes forever, caused people to speculate on a reason and the book profits sent him over the million mark?

ha xpost

Yerac, Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:47 (six years ago)

Also, it was Bernie himself who did a presser and said he'd become a millionaire because he wrote a good book.

Frederik B, Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:47 (six years ago)

Fred you are truly a font of illogic

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:49 (six years ago)

maybe an idiot could argue that bernie is critical of capitalism and wealth and so his earning lots of money and owning lots of houses represents hypocrisy. warren however calls herself a capitalist so what's even the dumb person's argument?

Mordy, Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:49 (six years ago)

Xps

Until like a week later when he released them: https://berniesanders.com/tax-returns/

DJI, Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:50 (six years ago)

she wants to end finance speculation, corruption, protect consumers, etc therefore her earning money as a lawyer is...???

Mordy, Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:50 (six years ago)

#buthersalary

Frederik B, Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:53 (six years ago)

It was bullshit to make a stink about a guy making money on his book. It is also bullshit to make a stink about a corporate lawyer making money on corporate law.

What is decidedly *not* bullshit when evaluating candidates for the presidency is acknowledging these respective histories in order to gain insight into where they come from.

Skins are papery thin up in here

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:54 (six years ago)

It doesn't really matter, but lol at saying Bernie published his tax returns a week later. He'd been running for president for four years at that point...

Frederik B, Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:55 (six years ago)

all those Fire Island parties have fried Josh Barro's brain:

People have gotten so used to formats where news is used to Make A Point that they can't read an article about a candidate's professional history without finding an implied attack in it. Putting her hourly rate in the headline was not an ideal choice, but the news inside is news. https://t.co/ASYCIiUWah

— Josh Barro (@jbarro) May 23, 2019

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:56 (six years ago)

Dude, nobody made a stink about the book. Bernie preemptively defended himself about it, then people shook their heads a little. It's not the same thing.

Frederik B, Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:56 (six years ago)

You’re never going to get over that time he let BLM activists speak at his rally, huh?

DJI, Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:57 (six years ago)

It was bullshit to make a stink about a guy making money on his book. It is also bullshit to make a stink about a corporate lawyer making money on corporate law.

What is decidedly *not* bullshit when evaluating candidates for the presidency is acknowledging these respective histories in order to gain insight into where they come from.

Skins are papery thin up in here

― d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII)

The story is okay -- it's the headline and framing that make what she did sound unusual if not nefarious, and this is how we got to #butheremails in 2016.

Skins sure are papery!

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:57 (six years ago)

surely this story will still be relevant an hour from now

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:58 (six years ago)

Good thread:

🗣 WHO FUCKING CARES.

This is the going rate for elite legal services. I was being billed out at $575 when I was a fucking fifth year associate because that’s what BigLaw charges.

This is infuriating. https://t.co/Le3vBH81Y4

— Imani Gandy (@AngryBlackLady) May 23, 2019

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 May 2019 15:59 (six years ago)

This is clearly dumb. Journalists think it’s similar to like hillary’s speaking fees but it’s not because the latter was a roundabout way of allowing corporations to buy influence.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 16:01 (six years ago)

Dude, nobody made a stink about the book. Bernie preemptively defended himself about it, then people shook their heads a little. It's not the same thing.


That he refused to publish his tax returns. Then basically nothing happened.


This is such disingenuous bullshit. If you don’t understand that the issue was a specious argument about hypocrisy wrt his 1% message I don’t know what to tell ya

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 23 May 2019 16:04 (six years ago)

when you publish a news story you are implicitly arguing "this is important and newsworthy" - it is the job of the journalist to explain what is newsworthy about the story.

Mordy, Thursday, 23 May 2019 16:05 (six years ago)

Hadrian, Bernie was the one who told the story himself. So you think he was being a hypocrite, or what is your point?

Frederik B, Thursday, 23 May 2019 16:07 (six years ago)

I think Hadrian's right in that this seems much more like an effort to puncture Warren's progressive bona fides than a sexist slam. Either way though everyone else is also right that there doesn't really seem to be a newsworthy story here.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Thursday, 23 May 2019 16:08 (six years ago)

Fair^

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 23 May 2019 16:14 (six years ago)

xp This is not complicated, but ok. Republicans were champing at the bit to cry “hypocrite!” because “duh but how could a member of the 1% be against the 1%?”

That’s what the controversy was and why he felt compelled to defend that income. lol it had little to do w him dragging his feet on his tax returns

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 23 May 2019 16:15 (six years ago)

the story itself is more like "In 2012 EW released a list of 13 cases she worked on, now she's released a list of 54. Here's some info about them." The headline, presumably not written by the reporters (Elise Viebeck and Annie Linskey) is the problem

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 May 2019 16:16 (six years ago)

Ok Hadrian, but right now you're comparing Republican behaviour to the Washington Post, as if that's the same thing...

Frederik B, Thursday, 23 May 2019 16:20 (six years ago)

.@GOPLeader on SpeakerPelosi: "This is irresponsible. This is not a way to be – to govern." pic.twitter.com/pSstGJfMYt

— CSPAN (@cspan) May 23, 2019

hahaha ok buddy

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 May 2019 16:22 (six years ago)

the EW thing and the reaction..

social media has officially fried everyone's brainz

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 May 2019 16:28 (six years ago)

xxp I am arguing that 1) the article’s headline misses its point and is sensationalistic, but to call it misogynistic fails to see how it is consistent with treatment of other candidates and is typical of newspapers to boot, and 2) that per evol^ inasmuch as a candidate’s progressive cred is of interest to voters in a primary it is newsworthy

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 23 May 2019 16:31 (six years ago)

<3 EW

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 23 May 2019 16:32 (six years ago)

Pelosi low key slaying Trump at her presser today

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 May 2019 16:51 (six years ago)

so low-key that you probably missed it

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 May 2019 16:55 (six years ago)

Here it is:

.@SpeakerPelosi: "I wish that his family or his administration or his staff would have an intervention for the good of the country." pic.twitter.com/SmFxvxTanv

— CSPAN (@cspan) May 23, 2019

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Thursday, 23 May 2019 17:06 (six years ago)

i prefer action to sick burns

Who says Dems don’t have a strategy for fighting Trump politically (i.e., aside from investigations)? Pelosi: "I pray for the president of the United States, and I pray for the United States of America."

— Doug Henwood (@DougHenwood) May 22, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 May 2019 17:07 (six years ago)

The idea that Nancy Pelosi only operates at the surface level on this shit is so stupid.

by the light of the burning Citroën, Thursday, 23 May 2019 17:16 (six years ago)

we have reports of what she's said in meetings

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 May 2019 17:23 (six years ago)

The most basic problem is that her actions are not visible to ordinary observers, and that invisibility ensures they have no political effect outside of the back rooms of the House of Representatives. we do not know what the strategy is regarding the Trump administration's non-compliance with Congressional subpoenas, because that strategy has not had any visible effects. this makes it, for the moment, ineffective.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 23 May 2019 17:31 (six years ago)

So, subpoenas, hearings, court wins, new congress members calling for impeachment inquiry every day (including 1 Republican), and, yes, increasing public impatience and calls for impeachment = no action/no visible effect?

There's one shot at this and it's a process. I may be naive, but I see things moving and Nancy Pelosi knows the game.

by the light of the burning Citroën, Thursday, 23 May 2019 17:35 (six years ago)

everybody thinks we live in a shitty wish-fulfillment movie now, unless she personally handcuffs Trump to the podium on live TV while screaming FULL COMMUNISM NOW!!! she's obviously doing nothing

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 23 May 2019 18:04 (six years ago)

nah there is a middle ground where Democrats develop a messaging strategy above the fifth grade level

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Thursday, 23 May 2019 18:06 (six years ago)

the electorate has proven that its preferred discursive mode is right about fifth grade level iirc

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 23 May 2019 18:11 (six years ago)

Posted this in the primary thread (insofar as differences exist):

It's obv she's playing the FDR game of letting partisans like us gnash our teeth while she waits for the moment, then says, with fake regret, that they must pursue impeachment because the president Leaves Us No Choice, etc. Schumer doesn't get it. That's why she discusses infrastructure: she's insulating herself for the sake of voters so that she can say to them, "Well, sigh, we tried with this guy..."

― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, May 23, 2019

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 May 2019 18:21 (six years ago)

Would be inspiring to see more than a handful of dems aiming a little higher than the general discursive preference of a disengaged/disillusioned/nihilistic electorate.

5 favrite kind of animal. jaguar. giraffe. (Old Lunch), Thursday, 23 May 2019 18:23 (six years ago)

Schumer doesn't get a lot of things it's true

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 May 2019 18:24 (six years ago)

honest Q: how many voters fit into the category that pelosi is accommodating (people who won't accept impeachment unless trump is given another 10-100 weeks of second chances to stop acting like a guilty man)?

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 May 2019 18:26 (six years ago)

JCLC I hope u know the "full communism"/AOC wing is, like, five people

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 May 2019 18:26 (six years ago)

The odds are she's made up her mind that this turd is a menace but is waiting for Trump to keep stepping on the rakes she lays in public. She's a vote counter. It's possible she doesn't have the numbers (yet) beyond the progressive wing to start proceedings.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 May 2019 18:27 (six years ago)

honest Q: how many voters fit into the category that pelosi is accommodating (people who won't accept impeachment unless trump is given another 10-100 weeks of second chances to stop acting like a guilty man)?

― these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, May 23, 2019

I suspect she's thinking of their reps more than the voters

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 May 2019 18:27 (six years ago)

She's a vote counter. It's possible she doesn't have the numbers (yet) beyond the progressive wing to start proceedings.

yeah, i think this is right. and don't get me wrong, i can understand why she's pumping the brakes on impeachment until she at least has full support in her party.

but i have trouble imagining how trump can possibly be more obviously guilty than he already is. he has stepped on every single rake, so many times.

someone please post a sideshow bob image

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 May 2019 18:29 (six years ago)

A friend last weekend posited a third option: a Senate trial won't begin until the House finishes impeachment proceedings, which can take as long as the House wants, possibly until November 2020?

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 May 2019 18:31 (six years ago)

"I was extremely calm yesterday" for June pol thread title

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 May 2019 18:31 (six years ago)

meanwhile, political journalists on twitter are always mentioning how infrequently the topic of impeachment comes up at democratic campaign events. or maybe it's just david weigel making that point over and over again. but i have no reason to distrust him on that. Pelosi is waiting on the the Reps. to force her hand on impeachment, and the Reps. are apparently waiting for the people to force their hand, and the people are fucking exhausted over the whole thing and most of us are depressed and just want to retire and have health care without going broke

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 May 2019 18:32 (six years ago)

But, yeah, Pelosi can't be seen as leading the charge towards impeachment. She has to create the impression that events pull her, "reluctantly," beyond her control.

Also, I do think she hasn't got the votes in the House (yet). No pundit has floated this possibility.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 May 2019 18:32 (six years ago)

the people are fucking exhausted over the whole thing and most of us are depressed and just want to retire and have health care without going broke

Gonna blast DJ Khaled by the pool tomorrow! Join me.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 May 2019 18:33 (six years ago)

multi-xps

I suppose that constitutes a 'middle road' approach, in that it is perfectly evident that not one Republican senator has showed the slightest inclination to vote to convict Trump on any articles drawn up by the House. The only good alternative is to let Trump convict himself in the eyes of voters through his public, highly visible actions. His throwing a tantrum instead of negotiating an infrastructure bill will certainly increase his popularity.

But some kind of well-crafted Articles of Impeachment need to be brought to a vote in the House before January, imo. By January 1, we will be too deep into the campaign for it to sit well with voters.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 23 May 2019 18:33 (six years ago)

Schumer doesn't get it.

Sometimes I wonder how Pelosi manages to share a podium with that spineless, glad-handing imbecile without shoving a pen through his neck.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Thursday, 23 May 2019 18:34 (six years ago)

The only good alternative is to let Trump convict himself in the eyes of voters through his public, highly visible actions

i think it was around the 84th time he convicted himself through his public, highly visible actions that i completely lost my shit

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 May 2019 18:37 (six years ago)

around the 84th time he convicted himself through his public, highly visible actions that i completely lost my shit

He convicts himself every day of incompetence and inability, but since Mueller screwed the pooch by not making a clear declaration of obstruction of justice, which was a prima facie case in terms of evidence, Trump and Barr have been able to erase or efface that conclusion in the public mind sufficiently that Pelosi and the House democrats now need to rebuild and rehabilitate that case. Certainly, Trump is helping them by refusing to honor subpoenas, but it is not a done deal, yet. The US public can be slow on the uptake.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:02 (six years ago)

It's practically our superpower.

5 favrite kind of animal. jaguar. giraffe. (Old Lunch), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:04 (six years ago)

1) i am prohibited by DOJ policy to say that 2 + 2 = 4.
2) there were 2 objects in the pile
3) 2 more objects were added to the pile
4) in general, 2 + 2 = 4
5) here is the abundant evidence, most of it in the public record, that 2 and 2 were added together to make 4 objects in the pile
6) once again, i am not allowed to say that there are now 4 objects in the pile. but just saying, there were 2, then 2 more were added, and 2 + 2 = 4, so...yeah. god bless america.
7)...

THERE ARE NO OBJECTS IN THE PILE IS WHAT THEY REPORT SAID, many people are saying, print this shit up at FedEx and make a wordboard to glue to my talky trapezoid with the microphone on it

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:09 (six years ago)

8) we need to wait until the american public agrees that 2+2 = 4

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:10 (six years ago)

Karl, you like Campari? I'm mixing Negronis at 5.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:12 (six years ago)

:D

i would truly take you up on that if i was near!

i'm actually not in a rage right now, i'm just procrastinating at work (please don't tell my boss)

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:13 (six years ago)

Fuck robert mueller

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:14 (six years ago)

maybe at 24

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:15 (six years ago)

I’d have more respect for him if he just concluded that he didn’t want to bring obstruction charges due to the lack of an underlying crime. Kicking the conclusion to Baer was ridiculous.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:15 (six years ago)

9) Does 2+2=4? It sure looks like it. But 40% of the public thinks it equals 3. Perhaps we can compromise at 3.75. Or maybe 3.5.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:16 (six years ago)

Mueller, according to people familiar with the matter, would like for any discussions beyond the public contents of his report to be conducted in private. Democrats want to press Mueller in a nationally televised hearing about a host of issues, including whether he thought President Trump could or should be charged with obstruction if he were not the president, and whether Mueller agreed with Attorney General William P. Barr’s handling of the investigation’s findings.

What a loser

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:19 (six years ago)

1) i am prohibited by DOJ policy to say that 2 + 2 = 4.

Um, not really. DOJ policy prevented Mueller in his capacity as a prosecutor from indicting Trump, but how he worded his conclusions was in his control. He deliberately chose not to state something like this:

All the evidence cited herein compels me to conclude that Donald J. Trump clearly and repeatedly attempted to obstruct justice. According to DOJ policy, based on constitutional law, he cannot be indicted for these unlawful activities; the only constitutionally acceptable remedy lies in the hands of Congress, should they choose to use their impeachment powers.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:20 (six years ago)

I don’t expect anything more than what’s in the report but he needs to explain the reasoning behind his conclusions in a more transparent forum.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:20 (six years ago)

Yeah exactly aimless. He needs to exolain why he didn’t recommend that.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:21 (six years ago)

Is it doj policy or prosecutorial discretion due to a lack of underlying crime

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:23 (six years ago)

DOJ policy prohibits impugning an unindicted investigative target. And since DOJ policy says you can't indict a sitting president...

Mueller put the evidence of obstruction in the report, but that policy prevented him from stating the obvious. Which laid the groundwork for Barr's hackery.

by the light of the burning Citroën, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:25 (six years ago)

He wrote that they did not come to a finding on obstruction because there would be no way for Trump to disprove the accusation as he was unindictable--so it would be unfair

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:27 (six years ago)

Which is just a restatement of the logic underlying the DOJ policy.

by the light of the burning Citroën, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:29 (six years ago)

It’s true, poor thing

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:29 (six years ago)

I think he should have said it and taken his chances.

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:30 (six years ago)

I agree with this policy of not impugning people you’re not going to indict in general. But this case is ridiculous. The only reason he can’t be indicted is because of his office—there is a public interest dimension to this.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:31 (six years ago)

Why is mueller acting like an algorithm?

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:31 (six years ago)

Um, not really. DOJ policy prevented Mueller in his capacity as a prosecutor from indicting Trump, but how he worded his conclusions was in his control.

DOJ policy (according to Mueller's interpretation, at least) prevented not only from indicting him, but also from coming to the conclusion that he committed crimes.

we considered whether to evaluate the conduct we investigated under the Justice Manual standards governing prosecution and declination decisions, but we determined not to apply an approach that could potentially result in a judgment that the President committed crimes. The threshold step under the Justice Manual standards is to assess whether a person's conduct "constitutes a federal offense." U.S. Dep't of Justice, Justice Manual § 9-27.220 (2018) (Justice Manual). Fairness concerns counseled against potentially reaching that judgment when no charges can be brought. The ordinary means for an individual to respond to an accusation is through a speedy and public trial, with all the procedural protections that surround a criminal case. An individual who believes he was wrongly accused can use that process to seek to clear his name. In contrast, a prosecutor's judgment that crimes were committed, but that no charges will be brought, affords no such adversarial opportunity for public name-clearing before an impartial adjudicator.

so no, he could not have worded a statement like you suggested, that he "clearly and repeatedly attempted to obstruct justice", because that would be a crime, and they had already determined to use an approach that could potentially come to that conclusion. instead, he used the ambiguous language which was enough to confuse most of the american public because it takes longer than 5 seconds to read: "if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, however, we are unable to reach that judgment."

in other words, mueller is a big fucking asshole, but not for the reasons that you suggest

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:32 (six years ago)

xposts

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:32 (six years ago)

This is like Kafka

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:37 (six years ago)

we determined not to apply an approach

that 'we determined' strongly implies that an alternate approach was possible

A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:38 (six years ago)

possible but maybe illegal

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:40 (six years ago)

but he should have been brave and gone for it. or else allowed someone else to be special prosecutor.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:41 (six years ago)

Not illegal -- contrary to DOJ guidelines.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:48 (six years ago)

this is why we used to have independent prosecutors

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:54 (six years ago)

makes u think

What if Pelosi is trying to goad Trump into doing lots of dumb, unpopular shit by claiming he's trying to goad her into impeachment?

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) May 23, 2019

mookieproof, Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:55 (six years ago)

don't goad a goader

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 May 2019 19:55 (six years ago)

what if trump is trying to goad pelosi into thinking she can try to goad trump into doing lots of dumb unpopular shit by claiming he's trying to goad her into impeachment?

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:00 (six years ago)

https://i.imgur.com/Rddoux5.jpg

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:01 (six years ago)

Oh man can you even imagine if Donald Trump wound up haplessly doing dumb unpopular shit, what a crazy mixed-up world that would be

smrater than all of you (Old Lunch), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:02 (six years ago)

I can already see a stadium full of people chanting "DUMB UNPOPULAR SHIT! DUMB UNPOPULAR SHIT!"

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:16 (six years ago)

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/05/pelosi-move-impeach-trump-premature-divisive-190523154608666.html

"I do think impeachment is a very divisive place to go"

oh piss off

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:17 (six years ago)

you know what else is divisive? losing the Electoral College again

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:18 (six years ago)

yeah but you can just have the loser make a speech about the genius of the founding fathers

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:26 (six years ago)

Here is a 7+ minute video, from ABC, of Trump calling on multiple senior aides to defend him and vouch for his 'calm' demeanor in the infrastructure meeting with Democrats after Nancy Pelosi said that he'd had a temper tantrum. pic.twitter.com/iiLcrjnTe4

— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) May 23, 2019

so pathetic

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:48 (six years ago)

the bootlicking is nauseating

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:50 (six years ago)

never trust a room full of white people.

Yerac, Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:54 (six years ago)

unless you walk in a room and it's Fleetwood Mac standing there

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:56 (six years ago)

they don't even trust each other

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:57 (six years ago)

where is my Negroni btw ?

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:58 (six years ago)

it's almost 5 ffs

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 May 2019 20:59 (six years ago)

shaker's out

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 May 2019 21:12 (six years ago)

the bootlicking is nauseating

come carne asada, let's get's serious. they use horsehair shine brushes

An early look at next week's cover, "The Shining," by Barry Blitt. https://t.co/KVWteOZfAX pic.twitter.com/FsevJqnTq9

— The New Yorker (@NewYorker) May 23, 2019

these are not all of the possible side effects (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 May 2019 21:19 (six years ago)

I’m surprised they can live with themselves. Always surprised.

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 21:20 (six years ago)

hilarious how clueless DT is re: how his behavior esp the whining and doth protesting too much comes off. like dude, thanks for letting us know that Pelosi really got under your skin. thanks for letting us know you're scared shitless about the "whole Russia thing".

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 23 May 2019 21:33 (six years ago)

If you’re blessed at birth by a demon to never suffer lasting consequences for any of your actions I’d imagine it’s hard to learn anything

Trϵϵship, Thursday, 23 May 2019 21:38 (six years ago)

The panicked perpetuation of white supremacy by any means (up to and including the eager debasement of an identity which one's actions are hypothetically intended to preserve but which will in sad reality remain forever compromised by unresolved daddy issues) is a helluva drug.

smrater than all of you (Old Lunch), Thursday, 23 May 2019 21:50 (six years ago)

"It's a good time to be a farmer, we're going to make sure of that," President Trump says, announcing $16 billion in aid to farmers as the trade war with China continues https://t.co/oCbHCg9U2B pic.twitter.com/siPweyokoP

— CNN Business (@CNNBusiness) May 23, 2019



Cool socialism bro

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 May 2019 22:03 (six years ago)

"I was extremely calm yesterday" for June pol thread title

He is extremely calm. Just presidenting as he always does.

tfw you are not easily whelmed (sic), Thursday, 23 May 2019 22:54 (six years ago)

A few quick thoughts about the Assange indictment—this is a worst-case, nightmare, mayday scenario for First Amendment enthusiasts 1/

— Hannah Bloch-Wehba (@HBWHBWHBW) May 23, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 24 May 2019 03:22 (six years ago)

Gonna blast DJ Khaled by the pool

D'USSE'

mitt the hoopla (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 24 May 2019 13:59 (six years ago)

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/may/24/facebook-leaves-fake-nancy-pelosi-video-on-site

this is the same fucked up shit they pulled with HRC and it's fucking disgusting and the organge shit hole is playing it up too.

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 24 May 2019 14:26 (six years ago)

Zuckerberg is fucking noxious garbage.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 24 May 2019 14:30 (six years ago)

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/another-attack-trump-tweets-video-pelosi-tripping-over-words-n1009551

this shit right here is fucking pissing me the hell off .

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 24 May 2019 14:33 (six years ago)

ehh I haven’t seen the vid in question but there are like a million Vic Berger videos on Facebook w a digitally altered Trump

big gym sw0les (crüt), Friday, 24 May 2019 14:34 (six years ago)

xp!

big gym sw0les (crüt), Friday, 24 May 2019 14:35 (six years ago)

I'm fine with getting ride of those Trump altered videos too! It's just Facebook's constant stream of mealy-mouthed apologies while still refusing to change a fucking thing that raise my dander.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 24 May 2019 14:45 (six years ago)

Don't think those videos will convince anyone who isn't watching Tucker Carlson; it won't damage Pelosi like that mainstream media WaPo story might Warren.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 May 2019 14:47 (six years ago)

i wonder what will happen in this do or die moment for twitter

Twitter & @jack face a choice. The President just posted a doctored video to attack a political opponent. His account under their own standards should be suspended or banned. It's a do or die moment for the platform pic.twitter.com/4dPUnyVE0u

— Adam Blickstein (@AdamBlickstein) May 24, 2019

mookieproof, Friday, 24 May 2019 15:26 (six years ago)

i predict jack will say something vapid

maura, Friday, 24 May 2019 15:36 (six years ago)

jack will hand wring and tell us how he meditated on it for hours but in the end... blah blah fucking blah, cash a check, let it ride

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 24 May 2019 15:56 (six years ago)

Actually he's probably planning to point to the Krassensteins permabanning as how Twitter is "working" for the foreseeable future.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 24 May 2019 15:59 (six years ago)

i predict a reference to twitter's user policies, ethics team review, etc etc, followed by nothing

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Friday, 24 May 2019 15:59 (six years ago)

come on jack

Trϵϵship, Friday, 24 May 2019 16:10 (six years ago)

our good friend jack

Trϵϵship, Friday, 24 May 2019 16:10 (six years ago)

really we don't know jack

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 24 May 2019 16:23 (six years ago)

I guess you can't doctor Trump videos to make him sound drunk worse

nashwan, Friday, 24 May 2019 16:29 (six years ago)

some disturbing prognostication from josh marshall this morning:

For everyone who’s been worried about Attorney General Bill Barr’s lawless reign at the Department of Justice last night was the big moment. As you’ve likely already seen President Trump gave Barr blanket authority to access and declassify any and all classified information from the country’s dozen and a half intelligence agencies in his quest to “investigate the investigators” of the Russia scandal.There’s hardly any way to overstate just how big a deal this is or how dangerous it is in the hands of a corrupt official like Bill Barr.

First, this power is totally unprecedented. The President is the ultimate arbiter of what is and is not classified. There are processes in place and guidance he’s supposed to listen to to exercise that authority. But he doesn’t have to. Barr is free to disregard those rules, overrule the heads of the intelligence agencies in question in question or not even tell them what he’s doing.

There’s nothing sacrosanct about the judgment of the heads of these different agencies. The issue is that Barr has an agenda to help the President and punish his perceived enemies. Giving someone like that this kind of power is a recipe for disaster.

Barr has a proven record of selectively disclosing information with the aim of deceiving the public. That was what the Barr Letter was all about and he’s demonstrated that proclivity for deception ever since he took over the DOJ. This is the Barr Letter on steroids. Trump has given him the ability to selectively declassify information to create a narrative of events which supports the President. It goes without saying that if you can choose only the facts you want and sheer them of their context you can create almost any story you want. And that’s what Barr is about to do.

If anyone wants to declassify more information that clarifies the meaning of whatever Barr chose to declassify they won’t be able to. Because that’s up to the President or Bill Barr.

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Friday, 24 May 2019 16:33 (six years ago)

bro

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 24 May 2019 17:00 (six years ago)

Marshall is right about the extreme potential for abuse of power by Barr in this situation. Creating false narratives to influence foreign politics has been part of the stock in trade of the CIA forever. The same goes domestically for both major political parties. We get lied to and fed distortions on the regular. What's different here is the opportunity for merging the rawest kind of partisanship with the mystical prestige of 'official government secrets'. It's an escalation of a familiar process to a new level, one that has been avoided until now, mainly by the tacit agreement among politicians that it would poison the well for all parties.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 24 May 2019 17:17 (six years ago)

It’s been used to further the prerogatives of the national security state not for nakedly partisan reasons as much

Trϵϵship, Friday, 24 May 2019 17:19 (six years ago)

It's a problem when people with power decide to just do whatever they want because they're too fucking stupid to see how setting certain precedents might negatively impact even themselves down the road.

Ted Nougat (Old Lunch), Friday, 24 May 2019 17:37 (six years ago)

As an ornery stinker who likes to sow chaos, I hereby encourage the rampant cutting of brake lines. My enemies are going to be so peeved!

Ted Nougat (Old Lunch), Friday, 24 May 2019 17:38 (six years ago)

Aw man what, my spine just got crushed because I couldn't stop my car from colliding into a 7-11, how did this even happen

Ted Nougat (Old Lunch), Friday, 24 May 2019 17:40 (six years ago)

Albert Burneko had another eruption.

The Big Idiot President Is Not Getting Himself Impeached On Purpose, C'mon

Donald Trump is not trying to get impeached. He does not want to be impeached, and he definitely does not have a sophisticated dastardly plot to turn his impeachment into greater personal power or as a strategy to create a more solidified and motivated political base. He does not have a sophisticated dastardly plot to do anything, or any other kind of plot. The man is not capable of sophistication, or any but the basest sensation-seeking dastardliness; it’s all he can do to get the fast food from its cardboard container to the appropriate face-hole. He is a big stupid idiot, is what I am saying, and he likes things that feel good and wants them right now and doesn’t like things that don’t feel good and doesn’t want them ever, and that is the extent of him.

Donald Trump has been portraying himself, accurately, as a degenerate, penny-ante dullard for his entire life. When he opens his mouth, when he talks about himself: “I am a degenerate, penny-ante dullard” is the only thing he can say. When he insists he is actually a tremendously smart man, he is saying “I’m a degenerate, penny-ante dullard.” When he says Buy these fabulous mail-order steaks, really truly high-class steaks, many people, fabulous, do we love them, you hear them saying Trump—big guys, tough, they’re saying—you know, Trump, does he have the best steaks or what, he is saying “I’m a degenerate, penny-ante dullard.” When he makes business decisions, when he makes dinner orders, when he attempts to stand up as normal humans do, when he combs his hair: he has made of himself and of his life a monument to the smallness of his perspective and intellect and character. Because he is a soft, breathless, foam-boned inheritance baby with a brain like a wet saltine cracker, because he has been crippled and made monstrous by money and endless permission and therefore cannot conceive of there being any truth or morality beyond what he wants right now, he never knows that this is what he’s doing and also never will. That’s exactly why it’s the only thing he has ever done.

None of this is a part of some scheme. There is never a scheme. He is not sandbagging. He is not playing four-dimensional chess. Donald Trump is not capable of four-dimensional chess. Put Donald Trump in a thumb war against a department-store mannequin and he will be lucky to escape with a draw. He will call it victory. What’s infinitely depressing is how many of his nominal political opponents will believe him.

The weirdest, saddest, and most unhelpful people, maybe in all the world, are: boomer liberals (like the leadership of the Democratic party, for example) who look upon Donald Trump’s lifelong track record of failing at petty crook shit—doing petty crook shit and not only getting away with it but in many cases declaring his failure a great success, and then being rewarded with greater fame and stature in turn—and insist they are seeing the work of a mastermind, rather than the tides of American life and culture carrying yet another born-rich shit-for-brains white asshole past and above any and all demands and consequences. The idea of Trump is the sucker-ass belief in meritocracy, in hoary old Great Man bullshit, twisted into its most horrible gargoyle incarnation. He’s rich and famous, he’s the president of the country, and therefore it just simply must be the case that he has earned this station for himself, one way or another, via some expression of traits that make him equal to it. He has to be some kind of genius, even if it’s the evil kind. There is no way that a braying worthless dope, a man with no qualities of any kind to recommend him, could have ended up where Trump has ended up.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Friday, 24 May 2019 18:54 (six years ago)

otm

Pelosi's claim that he is "daring" the House to impeach him is ridiculous. It's either her *own* 4D chess manuever (which I don't understand), or she's claiming as much because it provides her cover for not following through.

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 24 May 2019 19:27 (six years ago)

Pelosi is slipping down to Schumer level since January

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 24 May 2019 19:29 (six years ago)

No one with half a brain is attributing any strategic intent to Trump, regardless of the words coming out of their mouths.

Ted Nougat (Old Lunch), Friday, 24 May 2019 19:34 (six years ago)

imo the establishment dems are terrified that, as with bill clinton, impeachment will lift the president's popularity. i don't think the situations are comparable, but they're always fighting the last war

(also they're scared that when the republican senate saves trump, the media will be all DONALD FULLY VINDICATED IN MASSIVE VICTORY, which is legit)

mookieproof, Friday, 24 May 2019 19:35 (six years ago)

Yeah, the Democrats should take heed of the bitter price the Republicans paid in 2000 and continue to pay to this day due to their partisan impeachment of Bill Clinton.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Friday, 24 May 2019 19:40 (six years ago)

^^^^^^^^

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 24 May 2019 19:43 (six years ago)

meanwhile

Breaking: The Trump administration officially notified US lawmakers that it plans to circumvent normal congressional rules to speed up arms sales to Saudi Arabia and UAE amid rising tensions with Iran. More @WSJ

— Dion Nissenbaum (@DionNissenbaum) May 24, 2019

but yeah let's just let the guy's term play out naturally, beat 'em at the polls etc.

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 24 May 2019 19:47 (six years ago)

Send 'em some planes and box cutters, while you're at it, Don.

Ted Nougat (Old Lunch), Friday, 24 May 2019 19:48 (six years ago)

It's also possible to say the last few posts are otm and Pelosi still doesn't have the votes to impeach.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 May 2019 19:49 (six years ago)

yep that's kinda how it be right now

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 24 May 2019 19:54 (six years ago)

The comparisons to 1998 are bullshit. Clinton before impeachment already enjoyed an approval rating approaching 60 percent.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 May 2019 19:55 (six years ago)

Right. Anyway, the votes are not there in the senate, to convict. But she absolutely has the votes in the house—to impeach—if she wants them.

That would initiate an involved process that she could slow-walk as nexessary for political purposes. It would also mean Trump campaigning while on trial, on television. With sworn testimony putting what we already know on the public record.

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 24 May 2019 20:01 (six years ago)

But she absolutely has the votes in the house—to impeach—if she wants them.

Link?

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 May 2019 20:05 (six years ago)

she's the best speaker since Rayburn, a master whip, but even in the Senate LBJ couldn't whip votes from colleagues whose districts weren't going his way (and he knew when these senators lied).

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 May 2019 20:06 (six years ago)

k3vin k as much as implied in the primary thread that I'm a Pelosi fan boy or something. I want to impeach -- I want Trump in jail. But dudes like Hoyer and the other greybeards in her caucus look more haunted by 1998 than she is -- she has to deal with Trump face-to-face every day, unlike them. Several reps from swing districts were on cable talk shows this morning admitting they weren't moving (yet). What power has she over them?

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 May 2019 20:09 (six years ago)

xxp I mean that's what she does—gets the votes.

I don't believe the relaively small number of house dems who have gone on the record as wanting hearings now relfects anything more than the top-down messaging: "not yet." It seems to me like she and Hoyer are just holding the rank-and-file back.

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 24 May 2019 20:11 (six years ago)

Pelosi's claim that he is "daring" the House to impeach him is ridiculous. It's either her *own* 4D chess manuever (which I don't understand),

It seems to me the simplest explanation is that she wants the impeachment proceedings to start some months from now instead of now, so that it's not already seen as "old news, that's behind us" in November 2020. If Comey does his "wait I found some new HRC emails, oh no wait it was nothing" act in August instead of October, it would have affected the election hardly at all. (I take it as a given that this Senate will never convict their guy no matter what and he will serve out the rest of his term.)

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 24 May 2019 20:13 (six years ago)

Wait -- let's not collapse or conflate "hearings" and "impeachment"

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 May 2019 20:13 (six years ago)

Albert Burneko's rant, above, is like most rants: overdone, hyperbolic, claiming that its emotionally satisfying ridicule is a worthwhile substitute for measured analysis. It overshoots its mark and is just as shallow and reductive as Trump himself. But sometimes emotionally satisfying ridicule is just what your mood demands, like binging on ice cream.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 24 May 2019 20:16 (six years ago)

I don't understand ice cream

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 May 2019 20:17 (six years ago)

his thesis is solid: Trump is a straight moron and can't strategize beyond the next Fox and Friends

d'ILM for Murder (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 24 May 2019 20:19 (six years ago)

fat, sugar, creamy mouth-feel. it fits the basic profile of comfort food.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 24 May 2019 20:20 (six years ago)

of course they did

Supreme Court Temporarily Blocks Rulings Requiring Redrawing Gerrymandered Districts In Ohio And Michigan

Emperor Tonetta Ketchup (sleeve), Friday, 24 May 2019 21:50 (six years ago)

rampant cutting of brake lines

Sticking BBs in valve stems so tires go flat is faster and arguably not a felony.

despondently sipping tomato soup (Sanpaku), Friday, 24 May 2019 22:03 (six years ago)

Going to be a trip to watch Trump purge the security agencies, fill them with meathead authoritarian loyalists, and then watch the next Democratic president respect their Independence by leaving them all there

— 'Weird Alex' Pareene (@pareene) May 25, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 25 May 2019 08:33 (six years ago)

Yup. Can't wait!! :) :)

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 25 May 2019 11:09 (six years ago)

Biden: He's Reaching

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 25 May 2019 11:38 (six years ago)

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/25/us/nsa-hacking-tool-baltimore.html

so, just, like, whatever i guess

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 26 May 2019 00:11 (six years ago)

Trump declares emergency to expedite arms sales to Saudi Arabia and UAE

cool

brimstead, Sunday, 26 May 2019 02:04 (six years ago)

checks out

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 26 May 2019 11:12 (six years ago)

good partners, important stuff

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 26 May 2019 11:12 (six years ago)

i mean i'm pretty sure there are a few Yemenis still alive, there's no time to spare

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 26 May 2019 11:14 (six years ago)

maggie haberman is trending for sucking again

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Sunday, 26 May 2019 15:10 (six years ago)

poor Hope Hicks, trying to find the fortitude to resist subpoenas.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 26 May 2019 15:13 (six years ago)

an emptywheel thread on haberman's article

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Sunday, 26 May 2019 15:23 (six years ago)

Yeah, I read it -- good shit

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 26 May 2019 15:51 (six years ago)

Was there LSD in my eggs and chorizo this morning? https://t.co/oPO4nVcyeb

— Doug Henwood (@DougHenwood) May 26, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 May 2019 13:48 (six years ago)

I wonder if dictators pass a burn book between them.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 27 May 2019 14:30 (six years ago)

good morning!

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 May 2019 14:31 (six years ago)

(looks at watch. shakes it. looks again. purses lips. shakes head. walks off.)

A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 28 May 2019 00:46 (six years ago)

...what is happening

No really, good job everybody. pic.twitter.com/NgO8G1Pvo8

— Schooley (@Rschooley) May 28, 2019

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 28 May 2019 05:24 (six years ago)

i checked - it's real

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 28 May 2019 05:24 (six years ago)

between that, the fawning Hope Hicks "existential crisis" profile and glamor photo and the front page Trump nicknames chart....

Dan S, Tuesday, 28 May 2019 05:31 (six years ago)

the editors of the NYT and WP can't be that naive, I think Jay Rosen was right in what he said about the NYT, that “they are tempted to look right and see one kind of danger, then look left to spot another, equal and opposite. They want to push off from both sides to clear a space from which the truth can be told. That would make things simpler, but of course things are not that simple. The threat to truth telling - to journalism, democracy, the Times itself - is not symmetrical. They know this.”

Dan S, Tuesday, 28 May 2019 05:44 (six years ago)

US terrorist supporters will always support US terrorists. When I read shit like this, my admiration for the Cuban Revolution increases. The Sandinistas were too democratic; and if US imperialists hate anything, it's democracy. https://t.co/4mV9KIUX5Y

— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) May 28, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 May 2019 18:29 (six years ago)

WASHINGTON — A single House Republican again blocked final passage of a long-delayed emergency aid package, the second Republican in a week to use the power of an individual lawmaker to ensure the delay of relief for communities and farmers still recovering from natural disasters.

House Democrats tried for a second time on Tuesday to use a procedural vote to pass a Senate-approved $19.1 billion package while most lawmakers are spending a weeklong recess outside of Washington. But Representative Thomas Massie, Republican of Kentucky, used the power of a single lawmaker to object to the vote, pushing for the full chamber to be present to vote on legislation.

“If the speaker felt that this was must-pass legislation,” Mr. Massie said, “the speaker should have called a vote before sending members home.”

...
Without lawmakers in town, passage through the House would have to be unanimous. On Friday, Representative Chip Roy, a freshman Republican from Texas, postponed returning to his Texas district to prevent the package’s passage during an identical procedural vote, calling the maneuver “a very swampy thing to do.”

Like Mr. Roy, Mr. Massie outlined his concerns with the vote on the House floor, complaining about a vote during recess. Separately, Mr. Roy had also cited fiscal irresponsibility and the decision to leave out the White House’s request for about $4.5 billion for the southwestern border as reasons to take issue with the legislation.

...Mr. Massie, often a thorn in the side of House leadership regardless of party, lauded Mr. Roy’s decision to block the vote, calling the gesture “Hero level, over 9000” on Twitter.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/28/us/politics/disaster-relief-bill.html

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 28 May 2019 21:06 (six years ago)

delaying aid for a bunch of people whose lives were ruined...and then making a dragonball z joke in praise of the delay.

wtf

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 28 May 2019 21:08 (six years ago)

Holy shit at that Amash town hall. He had support.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 00:12 (six years ago)

McConnell needs to die in the most horrific way possible imo

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 12:22 (six years ago)

Good morning!

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 12:54 (six years ago)

McConnell said if a SC Justice died in 2020, Republicans would hold a vote to confirm a new one, in case anyone is wondering.

This description in the NYT seems rather understated...

Mr. McConnell’s most common explanation for blocking Mr. Garland — that a new president should get to fill a Supreme Court opening that occurs close to an election — struck Democrats as disingenuous at the time, and many said it looked even more so after Tuesday’s comments

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 13:08 (six years ago)

tbh I'm glad he's at least not pretending anymore

frogbs, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 13:09 (six years ago)

like it's not the evilness and the brazen breaking of the rules, it's the longwinded justifications like "well ACTUALLY we've been VERY consistent on this if you look at the late 1800s you will find blah blah blah" that really annoy me honestly

frogbs, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 13:11 (six years ago)

well it's like he said in that long profile - he makes decisions based on whatever will deliver the most "conservative" outcome. this is entirely consistent with that.

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 13:13 (six years ago)

oh NO

not disinGENuousness

j., Wednesday, 29 May 2019 13:17 (six years ago)

I’m starting to think this Mitch McConnell guy is just a straight-up liar!

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 13:20 (six years ago)

McConnell needs to die in the most horrific way possible imo

― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, May 29, 2019 8:22 AM (fifty-eight minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Good morning!

― recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, May 29, 2019 8:54 AM (twenty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

no, GREAT mourning!

rob, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 13:21 (six years ago)

The NYT's eyebrow twitches slightly as though trying to be raised.

jmm, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 13:22 (six years ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGL5dclzjHo&feature=youtu.be

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 13:24 (six years ago)

Try again
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCTMCeSZOYCxORs481iukwXQ

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 13:24 (six years ago)

Huh. Anyway, that's the kickoff ad from Jaime Harrison, former chairman of the South Carolina Democratic Party, who is challenging Lindsey Graham. Don't know anything about Harrison, even after that video, but he's got my support.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 13:26 (six years ago)

Mueller gonna speak at 11?

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 13:45 (six years ago)

oh man this is gonna finally be the end of the trump presidency, i can FEEl it

a promiscuous, flighty art student looking for love (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 13:50 (six years ago)

probably wants to complain about Game of Thrones

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 13:51 (six years ago)

I saw some news/rumor item late last night claiming that mueller had, at one point, prepared an obstruction allegation against Trump. Maybe he’s coming out of his shithole to make sure everyone knows that’s not true. There is too much hope in the world

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 13:53 (six years ago)

while we wait for mueller's pronouncement that mcdonalds should make the mcrib a permanent menu fixture, here's a fun thread on the shocking news that trump's tax cuts enriched the rich and did nothing for wages or the economy

Congressional Research Service—which is nonpartisan, independent, and highly-respected—just published a report that dismantles claims that the GOP tax law is doing much good for the economy. https://t.co/rAkDIbVHjv

Here are some quotes…

— Harry Stein (@HarrySteinDC) May 28, 2019

a promiscuous, flighty art student looking for love (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 13:55 (six years ago)

US Justice Dept. says Mueller's statement will be "on the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 Presidential election. This will be a statement only, no question and answer period to follow."

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 13:56 (six years ago)

I expect this to be deeply disappointing, probably something along the lines of "trust whatever Barr says".

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 14:01 (six years ago)

I saw some news/rumor item late last night claiming that mueller had, at one point, prepared an obstruction allegation against Trump.

yeah, the new Michael Wolff book:

In his chapter on Special Counsel Robert Mueller and the probe of Russian interference in the 2016 election, Wolff says there was a draft version of a three-count criminal indictment against President Donald Trump as early as March 2018. He says the three charges (under Title 18 of the federal code Sections 1505, 1512 and 1513) did not stem from the Russian interference itself but from Trump's efforts to thwart the investigation.

Wolff links this draft to Mueller's deputy Andrew Weissmann and reports that Mueller let it languish for nearly a year while preparing his own report, ultimately deferring to a longstanding Justice Department policy that a president could not be indicted while in office. Wolff says he got a look at the draft, and other related memoranda regarding that no-indictment policy, from "a source close to the Office of Special Counsel."

But the Office of Special Counsel on May 28 released a statement denying that account. "The documents you describe do not exist," said Peter Carr, responding to questions from The Guardian and other media organizations.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 14:05 (six years ago)

what a time for the krassenstein brothers to be banned from twitter

a promiscuous, flighty art student looking for love (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 14:05 (six years ago)

he could at least do a better version of faking it: Giacometti biography, book about African art, Winston Churchill, Gladstone, Jess Phillips...

calzino, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 14:09 (six years ago)

oops wrong thread

calzino, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 14:10 (six years ago)

i have little doubt this won't be totally infuriating

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 14:27 (six years ago)

https://media.wnyc.org/i/800/0/c/85/1/its-the-great-pumpkin-charlie-brown-footbal-gag.png

she carries a torch. two torches, actually (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 14:32 (six years ago)

for forty days and forty nights, we have waited for mueller to speak

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 14:34 (six years ago)

we have eaten normally during this time

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 14:35 (six years ago)

it'd be neat if he coolly took to the stage and delivered an unbroken fifteen-minute series of howls, shrieks and dolphin noises into the mic before adjusting his tie, stepping down from the lectern, walking through the main doors of the department of justice building and disappearing in a dazzling blast of hot pink light, never to be seen again

a promiscuous, flighty art student looking for love (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 14:39 (six years ago)

mueller: LIVE!

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 14:42 (six years ago)

"It's worse than you think!" Claws out eyes.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 14:43 (six years ago)

one minute later, on the internet: "...whoa man...live spelled backward is evil...let's follow the money"

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 14:43 (six years ago)

it'd be neat if he coolly took to the stage and delivered an unbroken fifteen-minute series of howls, shrieks and dolphin noises into the mic before adjusting his tie, stepping down from the lectern, walking through the main doors of the department of justice building and disappearing in a dazzling blast of hot pink light, never to be seen again


https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/snl/images/7/74/Odonoghue.png/revision/latest?cb=20131220094933

Tiltin' My Lens Photography (stevie), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 14:50 (six years ago)

can't believe they're finally gonna lock her up

frogbs, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 14:53 (six years ago)

We begin bombing Russia in five minutes.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 14:55 (six years ago)

Word is going out from within DOJ that Robert Mueller’s statement will be “substantial” and the NYT adds that it will be “lengthy.”

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 14:59 (six years ago)

i am ready to receive the knowledge now

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 14:59 (six years ago)

The fact that this is a statement on behalf of DOJ gives me a very bad feeling about it.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 14:59 (six years ago)

mmm daddy mueller gimme that lengthy, substantial statement pls

a promiscuous, flighty art student looking for love (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:00 (six years ago)

Barr approved it, so...

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:01 (six years ago)

he's basically just saying what the report already said

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:07 (six years ago)

big surprise

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:07 (six years ago)

TOTAL EXONERATION

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:07 (six years ago)

so the President of the United States is allowed to commit unlimited crimes, cool

frogbs, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:07 (six years ago)

what a pile of shit

(•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:10 (six years ago)

jfc

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:10 (six years ago)

That was basically "Listen, you stupid fucks, I wrote the whole fucking thing down for you, I don't know why I have to come out here and tell you the exact same shit again, but here we go."

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:11 (six years ago)

good morning, ladies and gentlemen. since no one in this country can read, i am here to summarize what was already stated in the first pages of my report

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:11 (six years ago)

Lol, what a waste. Hopefully Pelosi and friends caught his not too subtle inference that it is up to Congress to carry this forward.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:12 (six years ago)

yeah i prefer my 'blast of hot pink light' press conference idea tbh

a promiscuous, flighty art student looking for love (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:12 (six years ago)

Why do we have to live in an era when 99% of people with any chutzpah or backbone are also basically demons cast loose from hell to frolic among the doomed mortal populace? Why is that?

John Denver – Led Zeppelin IV (Part II) (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:17 (six years ago)

nothing but love for his good buddy Barr too, assholes of a feather.

Evans on Hammond (evol j), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:17 (six years ago)

Guys what exactly were you expecting from this presser

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:21 (six years ago)

Him to deliver a message that differed from his report, so everyone could ask why it wasn't in the report?

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:22 (six years ago)

i may have missed it, but did he say anything indicating his willingness to testify in front of a committee? it is already ridiculous that his team never interviewed trump as part of his investigation, and it will be just as ridiculous if he never takes any questions from congress on 2 years of work that clearly showed trump covering shit up over and over

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:22 (six years ago)

he doesn't have anything to say to Congress that's not in the report

big gym sw0les (crüt), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:23 (six years ago)

so please don't subpoena him

Dan S, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:25 (six years ago)

I think there's still value in having him testify in public because he could then spoonfeed his findings on camera, which somehow makes them more "real". But he's obviously not revealing anything new that we don't already know.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:26 (six years ago)

I feel like he's probably thinking "I set up a clear case of obstruction for you while being constricted by current DOJ guidelines, ain't my fault if you all bury it"

Him appearing could be helpful if only to throw cold water on GOP Congressmen who try to misappropriate his statements during a hearing or clarify any statements that weren't clear.

But lets face it, when 50 million people read a report that would have ruined anybody else and proclaim EXONERATION, it's a losing battle

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:28 (six years ago)

Congress would have to subpoena him; otherwise, he made clear he's going fishing for the rest of his days.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:28 (six years ago)

Since the report is so dense and detailed, the response from anyone who doesn't want to acknowledge his findings has basically been TLDR, and we have accepted that as a valid position. Putting him on record in front of cameras makes that less tenable.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:29 (six years ago)

should have released the report as a tweetstorm

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:30 (six years ago)

This is more or less what I expected to hear from him today, but Moodles and Neanderthal otm about the infuriating nature of watching this whole thing play out.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:30 (six years ago)

I hope they do subpoena him

Dan S, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:32 (six years ago)

when 50 million people read a report that would have ruined anybody else and proclaim EXONERATION, it's a losing battle

The number of people who actually read the report is closer to 50 than 5,000,000. The people who proclaim EXONERATION wouldn't read it if you put guns to their heads. Their entire worldview depends on never actually taking in information that might force them to consider that their leader is wrong or bad in any way.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:32 (six years ago)

he doesn't have anything to say to Congress that's not in the report

i would like someone to ask him "if DOJ policies didn't prevent the indictment of a sitting president, would you have recommended an obstruction of justice charge?", or something along those lines.

i suppose he would say he wouldn't answer hypotheticals

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:37 (six years ago)

btw, this DOJ policy on not indicting sitting presidents - was that in place during Nixon?

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:38 (six years ago)

i think he should have said that he would have prosecuted obstruction were he not bound by DOJ guidelines. this implication stuff--laying out the evidence but saying it's not his role to come to a conclusion if he can't prosecute--just leaves a ton of room for anyone who wants to claim exoneration

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:39 (six years ago)

It's implied in his statement, though -- unless you want him declaring it forthrightly, which he won't because #GOPpolitician

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:45 (six years ago)

mr rogers was the last good republican

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:45 (six years ago)

I assume so KM, as RMN was famously an "unindicted co-conspirator"

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:45 (six years ago)


i would like someone to ask him "if DOJ policies didn't prevent the indictment of a sitting president, would you have recommended an obstruction of justice charge?", or something along those lines.

i suppose he would say he wouldn't answer hypotheticals

― i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, May 29, 2019 11:37 AM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

exactly.

if he's publishing the report he is already giving the public something that will affect their view of a person he isn't going to charge. he's already in this kind of water--an ordinary prosecutor doesn't publish evidence of a case he won't bring to court. taking that next step just seems like a technicality he made up.

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:46 (six years ago)

I think in the aftermath of the Starr report they changed the special prosecutor law to make it the special counsel, and that change involve the SCO not being permitted to suggest any charges. I also think this is why Mueller is not explicitly stating THIS IS NOW CONGRESSES RESPONSIBILITY TO IMPEACH RIGHT NOW.

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:48 (six years ago)

Hopefully Pelosi and friends caught his not too subtle inference that it is up to Congress to carry this forward.

Except the effect will be the opposite. "Look, people, you got the investigation, you got the report, you've had endless additional partisan investigations, you now have Mueller's public statement. No do-overs. Case closed."

If Trump and Barr's DOJ are allowing this, it's intended to be INSTEAD of testifying. Not a prelude to testimony.

mitt the hoopla (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:50 (six years ago)

would mueller have made this kind of evasive statement if he found evidence of a crime other than obstruction? if the conspiracy was a cut and dry thing--or if trump was actually being blackmailed and it affected his policymaking--would mueller say, "i can not come to the conclusion of whether this is something i can charge, but here is the evidence"? what if trump had ordered the murder of michael cohen?

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:54 (six years ago)

is it just the ambiguity of the charge of obstruction, or would this have been the result WHATEVER he found?

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:55 (six years ago)

i know you lurk, mueller

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:55 (six years ago)

if trump had ordered the murder of michael cohen i'd be okay with it i think tbh

a promiscuous, flighty art student looking for love (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:55 (six years ago)

are you trying to give treezy agita

j., Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:58 (six years ago)

if my post gave treezy agita i'd be okay with it i think tbh

a promiscuous, flighty art student looking for love (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 15:59 (six years ago)

xxp that would be a good question to ask him, if only they could...

was wondering, can the DOJ block him from testifying once he's out of office?

Dan S, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 16:00 (six years ago)

I think it's fair to assert at this point that the only effectual moves are those that accelerate us towards the cliff's edge.

John Denver – Led Zeppelin IV (Part II) (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 16:03 (six years ago)

idk my mind didn't change this morning, but he made it clear that he would've indicted this mook if he weren't POTUS. The quote: "If we had confidence that the President did not commit a crime, we would have said so."

Now it's back to Congress and its foot dragging.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 16:03 (six years ago)

Congress being way more infuriating than Mueller here.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 16:09 (six years ago)

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/445944-booker-calls-for-congress-to-begin-impeachment-proceedings?#_=_

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 16:11 (six years ago)

I can recall stating about a half dozen times prior to the release of Mueller's report that I didn't think Trump could be removed from office over obstruction alone. The House democrats now have to decide if a failed impeachment is worth mobilizing over. They need to push as hard as they can on investigations on every front, but it still seems like passing articles of impeachment would fizzle badly politically.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 16:16 (six years ago)

I know you didn't make the analogy, but comparing Trump in May 2019 to Bill Clinton in December 1998 -- a reelected president with a 60 percent and climbing approval rating -- is an example of overcorrection. And guess what? Clinton and the party were so scarred by impeachment that they didn't use him on the 2000 campaign trail at all.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 16:22 (six years ago)

True, but Trump's crimes are part of what Republicans love about him

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 16:26 (six years ago)

The Starr investigation resulted in Clinton having to publicly apologize for lying to the country for months on end--something I doubt we'll ever see Trump do.

Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 16:37 (six years ago)

He should be impeached to set a precedent for what lind of behavior is acceptable from presidents. He should be impeached even though it won’t lead to his removal from office

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 16:38 (six years ago)

Also it needs to be done as a loud counternarrative to the administration’s notion that he has been “exonerated” by mueller

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 16:38 (six years ago)

he should be impeached because when the dog is shitting all over thanksgiving dinner, someone should at least express the view that it is wrong

(i know i have used that analogy before. i am sorry.)

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 16:39 (six years ago)

how often did Puffy shit on your turkey growing up?

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 16:43 (six years ago)

The Starr investigation resulted in Clinton having to publicly apologize for lying to the country for months on end--something I doubt we'll ever see Trump do.

― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes),

hence why most analogies to the boom-boom '90s are overstated

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 16:44 (six years ago)

how often did Puffy shit on your turkey growing up?

0, but tbh i think i spent a lot of time thinking "if i shit on this dinner, is anyone really going to stop me?" at thanksgiving dinners as a kid. never did it, but even then i knew that someone should have stopped me if i tried it

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 16:47 (six years ago)

What Robert Mueller basically did was return an impeachment referral. Now it is up to Congress to hold this president accountable.

We need to start impeachment proceedings. It's our constitutional obligation.

— Kamala Harris (@KamalaHarris) May 29, 2019

Mueller’s statement makes clear what those who have read his report know: It is an impeachment referral, and it’s up to Congress to act. They should.

— Elizabeth Warren (@ewarren) May 29, 2019

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 17:35 (six years ago)

Ok, now we just need to get a bunch of house reps to run for president so they can agree

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 17:39 (six years ago)

Even Beto agrees...

There must be consequences, accountability, and justice. The only way to ensure that is to begin impeachment proceedings.

— Beto O'Rourke (@BetoORourke) May 29, 2019

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 17:39 (six years ago)

Every time you read "impeached" add "and exonerated" because that's what the Senate is going to do (unjustifiably, but they'll do it).
Impeached and exonerated. The "exonerated" will be timed by McConnell for maximum election impact.
The best option is to slow roll impeachment so that the Senate doesn't have time to exonerate.

Bnad, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 17:45 (six years ago)

what I dont understand about impeachment is that once you decide to impeach on subject matter x (ie russia obstruction) can you add the evidence of all the other fucking crimes thats going to come out in the future or are you locked into x?

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 18:05 (six years ago)

Articles of impeachment are introduced for specific crimes

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 18:08 (six years ago)

Clinton was charged on multiple

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 18:08 (six years ago)

Multiple articles of impeachment were passed in committee vs Nixon. Several were defeated (eg the secret bombing of Cambodia).

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 18:14 (six years ago)

The Dems can hold impeachment hearings in the House and they can last right up to November 2020 if they want them to, just unearthing all kinds of shit. If they have the gumption. Tell the voters that the 2020 election is the de facto impeachment vote since Senate Republicans are guaranteed to torpedo it. Hold the actual impeachment vote in the House the week after the elections.

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 18:17 (six years ago)

Again and again these past couple of years we're reminded that the rules and constrictions of the constitution presume good faith. But we're so far beyond that into total dysfunction that plays right into Trump's hand. If they don't go for impeachment he can say, see, if they had something on me then why didn't they impeach? And if they do impeach and the senate does not convict (or does nothing), he can say, see, total exoneration.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 18:19 (six years ago)

Would that the founder had foreseen the inevitability of turkey-befouling dogs.

John Denver – Led Zeppelin IV (Part II) (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 18:29 (six years ago)

founder-ZUH

John Denver – Led Zeppelin IV (Part II) (Old Lunch), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 18:29 (six years ago)

there is no Dana there is only ZUH

the girl from spirea x (f. hazel), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 18:36 (six years ago)

One positive effect that would come out of tying a House committee's investigation directly to impeachment is that it would nullify the argument that the administration is currently standing on, that they need not honor subpoenas or provide documents, because they serve "no legislative purpose". They'd need to find another excuse for stonewalling.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 18:41 (six years ago)

Apologies if this point has already been made, but it seems to me that beyond the impeachment talk, Mueller’s statements heighten the electoral stakes for Trump. If the only thing that is keeping him from being indicted is being president, and that is sure what Mueller seemed to be saying, then the only way he can continue to not be indicted is to get reelected. It also means that he will try even harder to keep any of the investigative materials from getting into anyone else’s hands, because obviously they could be used for a future criminal prosecution.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 18:54 (six years ago)

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi will deliver remarks hours after former special counsel Robert Mueller made his first public statement on the Russia probe. Pelosi is scheduled to speak at 3 p.m. ET today.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 18:55 (six years ago)

obviously they could be used for a future criminal prosecution.

Gerald Ford took care of that precedent for us. As a consequence of his tender mercy, those national wounds sure as hell healed up lickety-split, didn't they?

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 19:05 (six years ago)

I’m still mad at Tom Brokaw for saying unequivocally , sometime in the 90s on whatever news show I happened to catch, that Ford’s decision to pardon Nixon was a good and necessary one for the nations healing. I was too young to know the truth and surrounded by parental idiots, and it took me years to realize that the while Nixon/Ford pardon thing was actually very controversial and was arguably a really shitty decision

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 19:13 (six years ago)

I was wondering the same thing - if Trump loses in 2020, does he just immediately get arrested? Is it okay to do crimes while in office or does being in office just prevent you from being indicted?

frogbs, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 19:25 (six years ago)

There is a long tradition among the ruling class that the very fact of being kicked out of power in disgrace is such a harrowing and horrible experience for a head of state that the humiliation and loss of reputation by themselves constitute a sufficient punishment. This tradition emerged when heads of state were mainly kings or tyrants. Needless to say that history doesn't say much about how the peasant class viewed these things, except for a few anecdotes, the authenticity of which are vouched for by members of the ruling class or their mouthpieces.

This tradition seems to be alive and well among the US ruling class and its mouthpieces in the media. The fact that a solid majority of US citizens disagreed in 1974 has been swept under the rug.

A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 19:35 (six years ago)

Apologies if this point has already been made, but it seems to me that beyond the impeachment talk, Mueller’s statements heighten the electoral stakes for Trump. If the only thing that is keeping him from being indicted is being president, and that is sure what Mueller seemed to be saying, then the only way he can continue to not be indicted is to get reelected. It also means that he will try even harder to keep any of the investigative materials from getting into anyone else’s hands, because obviously they could be used for a future criminal prosecution.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra),

Heh. I've long thought that this is the only reason Trump seeks reelection. This and to show the world his first election was no fluke.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 19:37 (six years ago)

his election was closer to a lutefisk.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 19:39 (six years ago)

Did Pelosi speak about this at 3pm Eastern?

DJI, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 19:49 (six years ago)

She had a whole press conference about 3am Eternal, didn't know what the fuck she was going on about.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 19:51 (six years ago)

Nadler straining *extremely hard* not to undercut Pelosi or get out ahead of her, but the exertion is palpable.

— Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) May 29, 2019

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 19:53 (six years ago)

I just passed a man shrieking about the Mueller Report to no one in particular at the top of his lungs. Shriek shriek shriek, wait patiently for the light to change, cross the street, shriek some more.

Kindred spirit.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 20:54 (six years ago)

did you at least buy Karl Malone a drink?

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 21:07 (six years ago)

but no one will *glug glug* read the report, *glug* if they would just read it then they would know *trips down the stairs* the truth

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 21:09 (six years ago)

My man.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 21:19 (six years ago)

Pelosi's verbal mush on impeachment: "Many constituents want to impeach the President, but we want to do what is right and we want to get results."

— Jeffrey St. Clair (@JSCCounterPunch) May 29, 2019

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 21:19 (six years ago)

tbf who can argue with results?

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 21:28 (six years ago)

results can be good or bad

Jeff the grown man (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 21:30 (six years ago)

she's defining it as Senate removal

she aint doing it

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 21:39 (six years ago)

she looks forward to working with the president to improve the conditions in the child jails at the border

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 21:43 (six years ago)

if congress does begin impeachment, what's the likelihood they can time the hearings to run into the next election? I know the republicans would be able to do it because they're ruthless, but I have my doubts about the democrats

Dan S, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 21:48 (six years ago)

Congress can take as long as it wants.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 21:53 (six years ago)

if Trump loses in 2020, does he just immediately get arrested?

By whom and for what? Be specific.

I don't mean to imply he doesn't deserve it, but this fantasy is lacking in detail.

(Anyway he'd still be pres until inauguration, but that's a small point)

Velcromancer (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 22:04 (six years ago)

for obstruction & the myriad of crimes committed while in office (didn't Michael Cohen directly implicate him in a felony?), by...well I dunno. I guess that's the problem, isn't it?

frogbs, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 22:06 (six years ago)

I suppose he refers to the Southern District of New York and its own busy little elves.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 22:15 (six years ago)

i was led to believe throughout 2017 and 2018 that mueller was analyzing trump's finances

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 22:29 (six years ago)

did he push that stuff off to other investigations?

Trϵϵship, Wednesday, 29 May 2019 22:31 (six years ago)

I share the longing. But normally one gets arrested on, like a specific charge, violation of a specific law: say, 18 U.S.C. 1621.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL34303.pdf

And if you're suspected of committing a Federal crime and you happen to be on the grounds of the Capitol, say (as an outgoing president might well be on Inauguration Day), then I guess Capitol Police or perhaps Park Service Police would have jurisdiction. Or FBI agents, I guess.

But presumably a warrant would help, and all Federal judges would have been the President's subordinates until the oath is administered to the new pres. One presumes most of them would not sign such a warrant until the term officially ended.

Trump would presumably get wind of the plan and have some kind of White Bronco waiting somewhere with Bannon at the wheel. A car chase through gridlocked special-event-day DC would be an amusing end for the saga. Fiery crash? Careening into the Potomac? Standing at the railing of Memorial Bridge, screaming "You'll never take me alive, suckas!"

Velcromancer (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 22:47 (six years ago)

screaming "You'll never take me alive, suckas losers!"

quelle sprocket damage (sic), Wednesday, 29 May 2019 23:09 (six years ago)

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/may/29/energy-department-molecules-freedom-fossil-fuel-rebranding

big gym sw0les (crüt), Thursday, 30 May 2019 00:57 (six years ago)

Doling out freedom, one molecule at a time.

nickn, Thursday, 30 May 2019 01:10 (six years ago)

The fascist movements of that time prided themselves on being overtly antidemocratic, and those that came to power in Italy and Germany boasted that their regimes were totalitarian. The most original revelation of the current wave of authoritarians is that the construction of overtly antidemocratic dictatorships aspiring to totalitarianism is unnecessary for holding power. Perhaps the most apt designation of this new authoritarianism is the insidious term “illiberal democracy.” Recep Tayyip Erdoğan in Turkey, Putin in Russia, Rodrigo Duterte in the Philippines, and Viktor Orbán in Hungary have all discovered that opposition parties can be left in existence and elections can be held in order to provide a fig leaf of democratic legitimacy, while in reality elections pose scant challenge to their power. Truly dangerous opposition leaders are neutralized or eliminated one way or another.

Total control of the press and other media is likewise unnecessary, since a flood of managed and fake news so pollutes the flow of information that facts and truth become irrelevant as shapers of public opinion. Once-independent judiciaries are gradually dismantled through selective purging and the appointment of politically reliable loyalists. Crony capitalism opens the way to a symbiosis of corruption and self-enrichment between political and business leaders. Xenophobic nationalism (and in many cases explicitly anti-immigrant white nationalism) as well as the prioritization of “law and order” over individual rights are also crucial to these regimes in mobilizing the popular support of their bases and stigmatizing their enemies.

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2018/10/25/suffocation-of-democracy/

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Thursday, 30 May 2019 01:35 (six years ago)

NEW: The White House wanted the USS John McCain “out of sight” for Trump’s visit to Japan. A tarp was hung over the ship’s name ahead of the trip, and sailors—who wear caps bearing the ship’s name—were given the day off for Trump’s visit. w/@gluboldhttps://t.co/6ugPceCOre pic.twitter.com/KuIoWJK5Kt

— Rebecca Ballhaus (@rebeccaballhaus) May 29, 2019

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 30 May 2019 01:55 (six years ago)

"I was not informed about anything having to do with the Navy Ship USS John S. McCain during my recent visit to Japan."

Mission accomplished, then?

jmm, Thursday, 30 May 2019 02:40 (six years ago)

Anything to torpedo the Legend of John McCain.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 May 2019 02:53 (six years ago)

We might want to change the title of this thread.

Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Thursday, 30 May 2019 04:35 (six years ago)

all the performative handwringing before lil Meggy McCain is “forced” to vote for Trump in 2020 because hurrr durr “anti-Semitic baby-killing” “Left” is going to be so fucking funny

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 30 May 2019 10:58 (six years ago)

good morning!

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 May 2019 11:11 (six years ago)

I had nothing to do with Russia helping me to get elected.

loooool

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 30 May 2019 13:04 (six years ago)

“I don’t see how they can because they’re possibly allowed — I can’t imagine the courts allowing it…I never thought that would even be possible to using that word. To me it’s a dirty word, the word impeach. It’s a dirty, filthy, disgusting word. It had nothing to do with me so I don’t think there was no crime. There was no high crime or there was no misdemeanor? How do you impeach based on that? It came out nothing to do with Russia. The whole thing is a scam. It is a giant presidential harrassment. And honestly, I hope it goes down as one of my greatest achievements, because I have exposed corruption like nobody knew existed.”

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 30 May 2019 13:13 (six years ago)

The Talk to Transformer thread is thataway.

John Denver – Led Zeppelin IV (Part II) (Old Lunch), Thursday, 30 May 2019 13:16 (six years ago)

So when abortion rights go down in Missouri, etc., I propose abortion clinics in other states begin asking for proof of voter registration and refuse to provide services to Republicans.

Mazzy Tsar (PBKR), Thursday, 30 May 2019 13:17 (six years ago)

xxp actually the cleaned-up version, misses him talking about the word 'and', possibly under the impression that he has to be guilty of both high crimes and also of misdemeanours to be impeached.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 30 May 2019 13:18 (six years ago)

It’s a dirty, filthy, disgusting word wtf

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 30 May 2019 13:19 (six years ago)

And honestly, I hope it goes down as one of my greatest achievements, because I have exposed corruption like nobody knew existed

you're right about that

frogbs, Thursday, 30 May 2019 13:20 (six years ago)

was this a big story in the states?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-48457401

"Disney could pull productions from Georgia over abortion law

Bob Iger, the CEO of Disney says Georgia's controversial new anti-abortion law would make it "difficult" for the company to keep filming there.

Blockbusters like Black Panther and Avengers: Endgame, were recently shot in the state, due to its generous tax breaks for film productions.

However, Iger said "many people who work for us will not want to work there" should the law go into effect."

might be one for the 'onion stories' thread

koogs, Thursday, 30 May 2019 13:24 (six years ago)

Her father, she said, was a brilliant cartographer who was deeply committed to traditional conservative principles like free will and limited government. As a child, she said, she was schooled in those same principles, but every successive gerrymandered map he created only solidified her conviction that he had abandoned them in a quest to entrench his party in permanent control.

“He had me with the idea that we are made to be free,” she said. “And then he lost me.”

feeling this

Heez, Thursday, 30 May 2019 13:25 (six years ago)

as the son of a conservative

Heez, Thursday, 30 May 2019 13:25 (six years ago)

Is there any reason why Mueller and team were unable to say at the beginning of the investigation "we have no intention to indict the president regardless of the outcome. If we uncover evidence of serious wrongdoing on the part of the president, it will be up to Congress to take further action"?

Shouldn't take 2 years to come to that conclusion.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 30 May 2019 13:29 (six years ago)

"It's high crimes AND, not with or or, it's high crimes and misdemeanors..."

What on earth is he trying to say here?

jmm, Thursday, 30 May 2019 13:34 (six years ago)

Surprised he didn't point out the plural as well. "One of each isn't enough!"

WmC, Thursday, 30 May 2019 13:39 (six years ago)

Treason AND a parking ticket.

Velcromancer (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 30 May 2019 14:11 (six years ago)

I had nothing to do with Russia helping me to get elected.

loooool

― (•̪●) (carne asada)

that didn't happen. what you read, and what you may have heard, did not happen. *helicopter noise*

Less than an hour later, he contradicted himself in front of a gaggle of reporters on the South Lawn as he left for Colorado.

“No Russia did not get me elected,” he told the scrum. “Do you know who got me elected? I got me elected. Russia didn’t help me at all.”

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Thursday, 30 May 2019 14:20 (six years ago)

Pull his string again and see what comes out this time.

John Denver – Led Zeppelin IV (Part II) (Old Lunch), Thursday, 30 May 2019 14:21 (six years ago)

and if it was true, it was a typo

After President Trump’s admission in a tweet that Russia helped get him elected — which he walked back minutes later — Trump campaign manager Brad Parscale minimized the remark as a mere “typo,” while simultaneously attacking The New York Times for writing about the President’s tweet.

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Thursday, 30 May 2019 14:21 (six years ago)

and if it was true, it was a typo

sorry (redacted), i meant WERE

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Thursday, 30 May 2019 14:24 (six years ago)

These gaslighting motherfuckers trying to tell us we don’t know what a typo is ! Gtfo

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 30 May 2019 14:24 (six years ago)

Treason AND a parking ticket.

Yusuf Islam's cynical reboot of his 1971 classic.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 30 May 2019 14:28 (six years ago)

Is there any reason why Mueller and team were unable to say at the beginning of the investigation "we have no intention to indict the president regardless of the outcome. If we uncover evidence of serious wrongdoing on the part of the president, it will be up to Congress to take further action"?

Shouldn't take 2 years to come to that conclusion.

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles)

this seems like a good question.

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Thursday, 30 May 2019 14:52 (six years ago)

"I got me elected" for June title, or "and if it was true, it was a typo".

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 30 May 2019 14:55 (six years ago)

its almost like a Republican cop doesn't necessarily want to remove a Republican president

frogbs, Thursday, 30 May 2019 14:56 (six years ago)

xp -- 1 vote for the latter

The Bite Game with Jim Lamprey (WmC), Thursday, 30 May 2019 15:01 (six years ago)

was this a big story in the states?

Yes and no. It's a big deal to all the actors and technicians/crew people etc. who've moved to Georgia to work, and are now dealing w/the possibility that Netflix, Disney, and other production companies will be boycotting the state.

a large tuna called “Justice” (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 30 May 2019 15:01 (six years ago)

democrats need to subpoena mueller and make him testify.

to refuse to testify, to claim that everything he has to say is already in the report, is supremely arrogant. it suggests that any possible relevant question has already been addressed and is perfectly unambiguous in the report. and it also suggests that there are no relevant meta-questions about the report - when was the decision made to not recommend any charges based on DOJ policy; did he feel that Barr's "summary" of his report was accurate, etc

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Thursday, 30 May 2019 15:12 (six years ago)

"I got me elected" for June title, or "and if it was true, it was a typo".

please don't feature yet another was/were grammatical fuck-up as the title, it is embarrassing

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Thursday, 30 May 2019 15:13 (six years ago)

xp

One easy question to ask in front of cameras:

"Did you establish that the president is innocent of obstruction?"

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 30 May 2019 15:35 (six years ago)

https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/445983-dershowitz-shame-on-robert-mueller-for-exceeding-his-role

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Thursday, 30 May 2019 15:41 (six years ago)

I mean, he's not completely wrong in identifying Mueller's aim as encouraging impeachment. Of course, he completely skates around the fact that Mueller obviously thinks that's the limit of what he can do with the mass of criminal evidence he documented.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 30 May 2019 15:45 (six years ago)

I thought Mueller would be eager to see his report be acted on. So yeah, finding this refusal to testify any further questionable.
Would have thought that as a lifelong epublican he would want to get rid of the factor that is undermining the party as anything other than a group of enablers. Wonder how he feels about Mitch McConnell who seems to be about as negative for things like the rule of law which I thought he loved.

Stevolende, Thursday, 30 May 2019 15:48 (six years ago)

why is anyone listening to a kid diddler's lawyer who might himself be a kid diddler? harvard can be such a scourge

maura, Thursday, 30 May 2019 15:59 (six years ago)

xp that hofeller story is interesting in the "things you knew had to be true, and.... oh looky there" way

Hunt3r, Thursday, 30 May 2019 16:02 (six years ago)

it's the most infuriating-poignant story I've read this week

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 May 2019 16:03 (six years ago)

Alfred, maybe you can answer the question of whether the Supreme Court can consider those documents even though oral arguments are finished

Heez, Thursday, 30 May 2019 16:07 (six years ago)

My understanding is that SCOTUS can vote to rehear a case, but John Roberts and His Furious Five just ain't gonna do it. Roberts cut his teeth during the Reagan years thinking of delicious ways to gut the VRA.

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 May 2019 16:11 (six years ago)

Ugh

Heez, Thursday, 30 May 2019 16:35 (six years ago)

This is a good roundup of conservative cognitive dissonance in response to Mueller's statement yesterday.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/05/conservatives-stunned-by-mueller-implying-trump-not-innocent.html?utm_campaign=nym&utm_medium=s1&utm_source=tw&__twitter_impression=true

I think it's quite notable that all these commentators are essentially correct in their assessment of Mueller's comments, but are unable to make the logical leap to grasp that yes, the Mueller report is in fact an exhaustive catalog of criminal behavior and that he's making an impeachment referral to Congress. They are too close to the truth to assume that they are straight up lying. I think they really might not understand that the facts are sitting there for anyone willing to put the effort in to see.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 30 May 2019 17:12 (six years ago)

well, they're right-wingers. they have to be told what to do. crave it, even. without instructions they are just inert

Lil' Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 30 May 2019 19:13 (six years ago)

well it's exactly the same as how Lefties get spoonfed their info and beliefs from CNN and HuffPost. EXACTLY THE SAME.

A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 30 May 2019 19:18 (six years ago)

Sure, but it seems like they are suddenly and inadvertently stumbling onto the truth, which strikes me as a significant change.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 30 May 2019 19:39 (six years ago)

it is kind of astonishing that some of them are just NOW realizing what the mueller report actually said and why, even though all Mueller did was literally just repeat what was in the summary of the report. unbelievable.

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Thursday, 30 May 2019 19:44 (six years ago)

i mean, i guess tbf when the #BENGHAZI stuff was going on i didn't pay special attention to what the republicans were saying, because it was pretty clear that there wasn't much there and that it was just a ploy to bring down clinton.

to a conservative, the mueller report probably seems like the same thing - just a partisan witch hunt that has no merit. so maybe they didn't ever read the report. and they're not just in a bubble that keeps inconvenient truths from getting in - they're in a bubble that actively distorts and lies. so some of them just never had heard anything that was truthful about the report. they had to wait until mueller said it live on tv to figure it out.

but wow, holy shit

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Thursday, 30 May 2019 19:50 (six years ago)

Which is why televised impeachment hearings might work to help shift people away from or further away from following trump. Hopefully enough fact would filter through to even the most ardent enabler.

Stevolende, Thursday, 30 May 2019 20:00 (six years ago)

This is basically everything. https://t.co/39ma74yDaK pic.twitter.com/02Sa8IsXcW

— John Glaser (@jwcglaser) May 30, 2019

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 30 May 2019 20:09 (six years ago)

i guess some people are "reading" people, and others are "mouths forming words out loud" people

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Thursday, 30 May 2019 20:19 (six years ago)

“I had nothing to do with Russia helping me to get elected.”

Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 30 May 2019 21:22 (six years ago)

trying to figure out if she's just trolling the reporter there

big gym sw0les (crüt), Friday, 31 May 2019 00:36 (six years ago)

White House officials did not immediately explain how driving up the cost of Mexican goods might stem the flow of migrants. If the tariffs damaged the Mexican economy, more of its citizens would try to cross the border to find work in the United States, experts said.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 31 May 2019 02:16 (six years ago)

Pelosi argued on Jimmy Kimmel that "there's a school of thought" that acquittal in the Senate after impeachment means you can't be tried criminally after leaving office ... what? https://t.co/QVBItiMez4 pic.twitter.com/h5mnrdHGE5

— Quinta Jurecic (@qjurecic) May 31, 2019

wut

Simon H., Friday, 31 May 2019 13:45 (six years ago)

that's a real moment for this gif

https://media1.tenor.com/images/d470329d3016e1491ac301c87d30a72f/tenor.gif?itemid=8555658

Jeff the grown man (voodoo chili), Friday, 31 May 2019 14:24 (six years ago)

more like cathy garn-WHAAAAAAAT am i right

Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 31 May 2019 14:41 (six years ago)

It’s not just Maddow. The Times has come to “prefer,” as sources put it, that its reporters steer clear of any cable-news shows that the masthead perceives as too partisan, and managers have lately been advising people not to go on what they see as highly opinionated programs. It's not clear how many shows fall under that umbrella in the eyes of Times brass, but two others that definitely do are Lawrence O’Donnell’s and Don Lemon’s, according to people familiar with management’s thinking. Hannity’s or Tucker Carlson’s shows would likewise make the cut, but it's not like Times reporters ever do those anyway. I’m told that over the past couple of months, executive editor Dean Baquet has felt that opinionated cable-news show are getting, well, even more opinionated. Baquet and other managers have become increasingly concerned that if a Times reporter were to go on one of these shows, his or her appearance could be perceived as being aligned with that show’s political leanings. “He thinks it’s a real issue,” one of my Times sources said. “Their view,” said another, “is that, intentionally or not, it affiliates the Times reporter with a bias.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/05/the-times-gives-maddow-the-cold-shoulder

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Friday, 31 May 2019 14:53 (six years ago)

Good morning!

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 31 May 2019 14:58 (six years ago)

Peter Baker is on Morning Joe all the time. Is this acceptable?

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 31 May 2019 14:59 (six years ago)

at the moment, it is acceptable

It’s unclear whether they, too, would be encouraged to stay away from Lemon or Maddow or O’Donnell going forward, but the way cable-news contracts work is that contributors are obligated to appear on a network generally, not on this show or that. At the same time, several sources pointed out that political reporters generally gravitate toward shows like Morning Joe and Anderson Cooper 360 anyway. In CNN’s case, according to a network source, the only Times contributors who typically go on CNN Tonight with Don Lemon are the opinion columnists Charles Blow and Frank Bruni, who aren’t bound by the same strictures as Times newsroom staff.

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Friday, 31 May 2019 15:01 (six years ago)

I'm surprised the Times hasn't banned the use of adjectives yet.

John Denver – Led Zeppelin IV (Part II) (Old Lunch), Friday, 31 May 2019 15:11 (six years ago)

oh my god this 5% tariff on Mexican goods until people stop crossing the border is just about the dumbest thing I've ever heard

frogbs, Friday, 31 May 2019 15:16 (six years ago)

he will back off that shit no doubt

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 31 May 2019 15:23 (six years ago)

larry kudlow is low-key one of the dumbest people in the admin

Jeff the grown man (voodoo chili), Friday, 31 May 2019 15:28 (six years ago)

I don't really think those NYT restrictions are unreasonable. Better for the op-ed writers to go on those shows.

a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 31 May 2019 15:36 (six years ago)

Well if the Washington Examiner says it's so...

John Denver – Led Zeppelin IV (Part II) (Old Lunch), Friday, 31 May 2019 15:54 (six years ago)

Trump will do what he did last night.

"Tariffs cancelled as Mexico did a good job last week of stopping migrants. But I was ready!"

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Friday, 31 May 2019 15:54 (six years ago)

for the third time, a lone GOP house rep has heroically stopped a disaster relief bill

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/third-republican-blocks-attempt-pass-disaster-aid-house-n1012031

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Friday, 31 May 2019 16:16 (six years ago)

"there's a school of thought" that acquittal in the Senate after impeachment means you can't be tried criminally after leaving office ... what?

Probably based on the idea that the 'double jeopardy' restriction would apply-- deep waters that have never been judicially explored, so it should not even be a consideration.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 31 May 2019 16:31 (six years ago)

But impeachment isn't technically a "criminal" trial, even though the Senate "convicts" you

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Friday, 31 May 2019 16:49 (six years ago)

Grancy is grasping for excuses

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 31 May 2019 17:14 (six years ago)

Maybe if we quit asking her publicly about it every ten minutes

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Friday, 31 May 2019 17:15 (six years ago)

if she's waiting for some event to happen before starting impeachment proceedings, what is that event?

The president is, of course, a crook. The Speaker of the House declined, once again, to take up Mueller’s implicit invitation to do something about it. The Speaker is still waiting, either for impeachment to somehow ripen further on its own, without the people in charge of impeachment doing anything about it, or for the 2020 election.

There is—still!—a school of thought that says Nancy Pelosi, whose record till now is unquestionably that of a tough and canny politician, has a real plan, and that she is patiently holding out for the right moment to act against Donald Trump. What that right moment may be is a mystery. It’s not the special counsel delivering his report and then declaring his share of the work to be completely finished, because that just happened. It’s not a Republican member of the House breaking ranks and announcing that his colleagues have a duty to impeach Trump, because that already happened, too.

https://hmmdaily.com/2019/05/29/nobody-knows-whats-going-to-happen/

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Friday, 31 May 2019 18:35 (six years ago)

Nancy's Right Moment is the new Obama Long Game

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 31 May 2019 18:47 (six years ago)

I think she's waiting for that pesky red line to stop inching forward at just the moment when Trump would've otherwise stepped over it.

John Denver – Led Zeppelin IV (Part II) (Old Lunch), Friday, 31 May 2019 18:47 (six years ago)

I just don't get what she's supposed to say about it *publicly* at this point.

Telegraph a low moving process to her opponents?

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Friday, 31 May 2019 18:54 (six years ago)

...she is patiently holding out for the right moment to act against Donald Trump. What that right moment may be is a mystery.

If Pelosi is waiting for Trump's poll numbers to drop as a result of his stonewalling the House, she's deluded. But it seems more likely that she is listening to her caucus and hearing too much hesitation, fear and doubt to feel able to charge ahead. I'd say the right moment would be when the timidity of her caucus transforms into some backbone and resolve.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 31 May 2019 18:58 (six years ago)

Oh okay, so we're fucked then.

John Denver – Led Zeppelin IV (Part II) (Old Lunch), Friday, 31 May 2019 18:58 (six years ago)

But we knew that already.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 31 May 2019 19:02 (six years ago)

How marvelous that we end up at the same point every day!

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 31 May 2019 19:05 (six years ago)

Ah, but we'll get a new thread and a fresh start tomorrow!

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 31 May 2019 19:08 (six years ago)

FTR, I don't think we are of necessity fucked, just that hanging our hopes on a sudden tsunami of moxie overtaking our democratic representatives is a bullet train to Fuckedville.

John Denver – Led Zeppelin IV (Part II) (Old Lunch), Friday, 31 May 2019 19:09 (six years ago)

House Dems are the New Mueller!

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 31 May 2019 19:26 (six years ago)

Is this thread also being generated by a neural net

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Friday, 31 May 2019 19:31 (six years ago)

Isn't everything at this point

John Denver – Led Zeppelin IV (Part II) (Old Lunch), Friday, 31 May 2019 19:34 (six years ago)

Is this thread also being generated by a neural net

Of course it is. Except it's neural nets, plural. And they aren't hardware, but wetware.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 31 May 2019 19:37 (six years ago)

speak for yourself, meatbag

naked rollercoaster-riding world record holder (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 31 May 2019 19:37 (six years ago)

sorry, but whatever the bizarro version of the Turing Test would be, you fail it.

A is for (Aimless), Friday, 31 May 2019 19:42 (six years ago)

How marvelous that we end up at the same point every day!

http://i64.tinypic.com/2qbr4gz.gif

difficult listening hour, Friday, 31 May 2019 19:45 (six years ago)

Toilet

Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Friday, 31 May 2019 19:52 (six years ago)

lol

Arthur Laffer is getting the presidential Medal of Freedom, per a WH release.

— Jim Tankersley (@jimtankersley) May 31, 2019

mookieproof, Friday, 31 May 2019 20:21 (six years ago)

It occurred to me the other day that we're still litigating the 2016 election, which has technically been going on since late 2014. Let's see how 2020 goes down.

officer sonny bonds, lytton pd (mayor jingleberries), Friday, 31 May 2019 20:32 (six years ago)

are we? I only thought about it when HRC was inflicted on Hunter College grads yesterday.

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Friday, 31 May 2019 20:36 (six years ago)

Oh now this is funny.

JUST FILED: Transcript of Nov. 22, 2017, voicemail from Trump lawyer John Dowd to Michael Flynn's lawyer pic.twitter.com/GU4RjC1nxT

— David S. Joachim (@davidjoachim) May 31, 2019

Ned Raggett, Friday, 31 May 2019 20:42 (six years ago)

I honestly thought this was a joke at first.

John Dowd has issued a statement on his voicemail. He used Comic Sans. pic.twitter.com/eKdYoCJpAz

— Ryan J. Reilly (@ryanjreilly) May 31, 2019

Ned Raggett, Friday, 31 May 2019 22:21 (six years ago)

good morning!

As we celebrate LGBT Pride Month and recognize the outstanding contributions LGBT people have made to our great Nation, let us also stand in solidarity with the many LGBT people who live in dozens of countries worldwide that punish, imprison, or even execute individuals....

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 31, 2019

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 1 June 2019 14:30 (six years ago)

I started a June thread and hated the title immediately. Somebody else try.

The Bite Game with Jim Lamprey (WmC), Saturday, 1 June 2019 15:10 (six years ago)

From today's White House propaganda email:

Trump Shakes ‘Every Single Hand’ of US Air Force Graduates While Praising Their ‘Noble Road of Service’ -Independent Journal Review
“The president showered the U.S. Air Force Academy’s graduating class with praise and encouragement as they are ‘ready to fly, fight, and win,’” Madison Summers reports. “During the ceremony, Trump announced that he would shake ‘every single hand’ of the nearly [1,000] graduates as they walk across the stage.”

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 1 June 2019 15:14 (six years ago)

our big boy president shaked hands with all of thems peoples, whooza good president yes he is

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 1 June 2019 15:14 (six years ago)

in my clearer moments, i find the key to doing new things is to just not care if it's bad

no, i didn't know that the June 2019 US Politics threads was nasty

i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Saturday, 1 June 2019 15:49 (six years ago)

Let us hope he didn't develop hand spurs partway through

Velcromancer (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 1 June 2019 20:41 (six years ago)

Mods, close thread...?

recriminations from the nitpicking woke (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 1 June 2019 21:01 (six years ago)


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