ukilxors arent u posh?

theory: uk ilx used be very posh, now the poshos dont wanna be seen as poshos and the wannabe poshos just want bits of it

nb prod = posh

what

we look fwd to an era of poshos feigning confusion when they dont like the question now that bojo is in

this is just the sort of doggerel we expect from the lower orders

poshspice.jpg

squire as long as ye are paying a sou for it me and mine are here and willing to churn it

tis said at home that at the height of devs catholic-mandated censorship four ships full of dirty jokes were leaving irish ports for consumption in workingmens clubs oop north

'Posh' is the nickname of football team Peterborough Utd, can we work that in somehow

i like that you included an option for me

might still vote top-hole tho

not voting because I'm not scum nor do I want your fiver altho if you're going to the bar

the idea that being posh has anything to do with hard work is absolutely absurd

No 'posh tankie' option?

I'll put it this way, the reason I've never been called for jury service isn't because of the "criminal records" I listen to.

the idea that being posh has anything to do with hard work is absolutely absurd

― ogmor, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 09:53 (twenty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

its delivered in the voice of that purported voter obv

voting 'im posh and its simply top-hole'

*adjusts monocle, beats servant*

the new poshos beat civil servants iirc

No 'posh tankie' option?

― pomenitul, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 09:56 (thirty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

smdh "im posh its beastly" lads i cant do all the work for youse

^ two cardinal sins in that last sentence, note

smdh "im posh its beastly" lads i cant do all the work for youse

Apologies, as a filthy foreigner I can't help but scan 'beastly' as potentially positive.

To wit:

https://www.pcgamer.com/intel-just-unveiled-a-beastly-56-core-112-thread-cpu-but-its-not-for-gaming-yet/

I'll put it this way, the reason I've never been called for jury service isn't because of the "criminal records" I listen to.

― calzino, Wednesday, July 24, 2019 10:06 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

calzino, are you on 77? I was looking for advice about spiking tires yesterday and posted a question for you in a thread there, but now see that you don't have any 77 posts.

not posh enough to meet the entry requirements obv

xp

no I'm not on there peace, and don't do exclusive clubs. But I would recommenced a pocketful of inch and a half 8's screws and a decent pozi driver. Then just simply screw them in to burst the tyres or get smaller (maybe some 1/2 inch 8's?) screws and angle them into the tread low down as possible so it hopefully the driver won't notice them and it won't burst the tyre until the car moves .. ho ho ho!

Just the sort of advice I was hoping for. Cheers!

obv knacking up the tyres with a pistol drill fitted with a good sharp hole saw would be much quicker and more destructive, but will make noise.

I'm middle class, which I would say isn't posh, but as I'm also crappy poor and incapable of being an adult, I voted "im descending from a life of childhood posh and confronting my new reality it will probably be good for me". My grandparents were pretty posh tbh, so it works out.

the reason i've never been called for jury service is that no one in court will be able to see past my gold top hat

I feel like "middle class" has posher connotations in the UK than it does in most European countries.

Is 'lower middle class' a thing outside of the UK? It's where I've always rested my peaky blinder.

I always felt like middle class had a bunch of gradations and *somewhere in there* is pretty definitely where I am, each tempered by elements increasing or decreasing poshness.

emil.y i think that you have read that eminently correctly and i commend your honesty

a few could follow yr example itt tbh

rory stewart thinks he's 'lower upper middle class' bc prince charles teased him about his tweeds being too new

'nb prod = posh'

huh

my family of three are currently living a fairly typical middle-class lifestyle, not that much different to the typical middle-class lifestyle that i had growing up

a key difference tho is that my current middle-class life requires the income of both my wife and i to maintain, while when i was a kid my dad could support a family of three on his income alone while earning probably about the same as i am today

Obvs in a UK context there's distinction between being materially middle-class and being culturally middle-class and nobody will agree on where the lines are. As BG notes above, the materially middle class lifestyle is highly dependent on multiple incomes or great jobs that are, one way or another, much more precarious than they might have been in the past. You can be materially middle class and not posh, i guess you can be posh and not materially middle class.

Poshness is relative, though. I am probably perceived as posh in Chatham, not posh elsewhere.

just put down posh and its beastly lads we understand

too late, i've already voted 'top-hole'

i will never not tell the truth in the thread abt my enormous gold top hat, it's good not bad, you love to see it

ah you

gold top hats are frightfully vulgar, dear

I have two girls at uni, one doing English lit, the other doing Song composition.

Mentioning this, prob means we're midcl

who's posher beethoven or goethe

Def. Goethe.

Beethoven was def

i'm thinking about the famous making way/barging through the austrian empress & her entourage, trying to work out the role of self-regard/disdain in this, but i think that's mostly down to the difference between early modern courtly manners and modern romantic individualist manners

Goethe outposhes Beethoven with one hand tied behind his back.

van < von

Goethe was ennobled, Beethoven was not. Case closed.

posh digression

slightly complex this one. which means "sort of posh"

mum's parents: born in the 1920s in the gorbals and parkhead, 11 people in a room and half flat, losing siblings to tuberculosis and that sort of patter. think frank mccourt but in glasgow. grandad was a roofer and made a good living in construction, built his own house, twice. granny did odd jobs like store detective and cleaning. mum grew up in nice enough suburbs for the glasgow area - barrhead and garrowhill. mum did well on that exam you did when you were 11 and went to the academic high school and her friend group was very middle-class - her 3 siblings didn't do well at school and all went into construction (with a detour to jail for fraud for 2 of them in their late teens/early 20s). mum got a degree when i was a young boy and was the first person in her family to go to university. became a high school teacher.

dad's parents: middle-class mum (rakish genovese father squandered inherited wealth by time he died, but comfortable upbringing for my gran), dad born to a widowed washerwoman, so not so opulent. grandad became a civil engineer, gran worked as a nurse for a bit. middle-class chilean upbringing for my dad. he went to a boarding school whose alumni include the guy who wrote pinochet's constitution for him and the current president of chile sebastián piñera. being exiled ended my dad's middle-class existence and he did different menial jobs for a few years until he got a degree in economics, he then worked in international development for a charity and then became a middle-manager in non-profits.

when i came into the picture my parents were broke and living in a flat above a bookies (mecca bingo used to have bookies apparently?) in riddrie (working-class neighbourhood in glasgow). when i was a baby we moved to a further out, nicer suburb. was working class but the homes were not former council housing and neighbours occupations included plumber, factory foreman, firefighter, butcher, accountant. when i was a toddler my mum had to go back to work because interest rates went up so they could no longer afford to live on just my dad's salary. my mum was then a student full-time for a bit. so broke often. culturally middle-class though. eating avocados and shit. both parents had a degree (most of my friend's parents didn't have one). mum became a teacher and dad rose up in work and we became materially middle-class by my late teens. my friends were pretty much all working class. if i lived in scotland i could afford to live in the house i lived in til i was 12, but I'm not on course to being potentially able to buy the house my parents bought when i was 12, so i am definitely doing the downward mobility thing.

Voted Bobby Gillespie.

pvmic

My dad was from a sort of middle class background - albeit a Kerry one where he could have stuck about in Tralee and had a stake in a well connected but small family construction business. I think the main force behind his racism was the bitterness he felt at moving to England and living in downwardly mobile circumstances in a poor part of town with loads of Caribbean/Asian immigrants who he didn't want to be marginalised with and felt superior to.

Definitely posh enough to get lined up against the wall by comrade alphabet when the revolution comes.

However I got there because of the efforts of my parents, both first in their families to go to university in the 70s and both coming from middle class shop owning families (dad’s family a bike store and mum’s a pharmacy). Further back there are jeweish refugees, yorkshire miners and bus drivers.

I don't know how to answer this other than Voted Bobby Gillespie because 90% of the people I grew up with were the same. They lived in council houses. They went to Blackpool for their holidays (to quote Ray Davies) at the Glasgow Fair or the Paisley Fair. There were some people who were poorer, and they lived on Dundonald Road or, the real unfortunates, out in Feegie Park. They were some who were richer, they lived in 'bought houses' on Clydesdale Avenue or somewhere like that. There were even richer ones who lived in Ralston or Oldhall, but I never met them or anyone like them till I went to university. Dads went out and got pished and lost money on the gee gees, Mums worked but earned less money and 'made do', Grannies gave you a piece 'n' squared sliced sausage and digestive biscuits and drank their tea from a saucer when it was too hot and shouted at Mick McManus every Saturday morning. So, not really scum then.

one thing that really pisses me off about my upbringing was that my parents both thought it was perfectly acceptable that my "bed" was a foam sheet laid on the floor in a box room with my brother and half-sister above floor level on the bunk beds for years of my formative era. Watching mice scurrying about at head level was so fucking nice for all that time you fucking tossers! Partly the reason I didn't speak to my dad for decades and didn't give a flying shit when he was dying of throat cancer a few years back.

"Definitely posh enough to get lined up against the wall by comrade alphabet when the revolution comes."

🤯 🔫

I could actually write stories like Gorky if I could actually write and wasn't a one dimensional fucking troll!

the point of pondering goethe & beethoven's street clash is bc poshness is not just a q of social status; the same family or institution can produce ppl of varying levels of poshness. even if yr so common that you think the queen is the poshest person in the country you'd have to accept that not every queen/king is of identical poshness and the extent to which they are able to define poshness also varies.

poshness as assigned on the basis of signifiers/etiquette is unreliable and subjective cf. the weird things ppl dismiss as posh (including, according to someone i went to school with, having any interest in yr family tree), rory's new tweeds. you can get these things right and still get it wrong.

slight tangent: at the either end of the class spectrum signifiers are often about positive distinctions: group membership & belonging (altho this works v differently for plebs & proles), but in the middle a lot of the time it's negative: ppl avoiding class signifiers and aiming for classlessness. while it can lead to some weird affectations this attempt at classlessness is more successful than cynics give it credit for - in the post-normcore world it's harder than ever to tell much abt a lot of ppl's status/wealth/bg (hence this thread, to the extent that it's not disingenuous). the idea behind the similar categories of nouveau riche and 'cultural middle class' is that they have basically swapped material/status positions while retaining their ancestral class attitudes to distinction.

the deeper q is why some ppl are more successful at laying down the rules: what makes ppl influencers & determiners of poshness beyond raw wealth, power and status. also: what is all that carefully practiced distinction and schooling and mannered bearing supposed to inculcate? what are posh ppl trying to imitate/fake? i think it comes down to disposition. poshness aims for effortlessness & refinement, for nobility. the power of the noble disposition comes from the delicate mixture of offhand confidence and grace. the comfort w/ flouting norms, w/ understatement (and of men w/ effeminacy) & the ability to pull off or mask being eccentric/amoral all stem from that deep sense of security & facility. so does it show more security, facility and nobility to agreeably defer to the empress' entourage or to disdainfully stride through it? idk.

anyway i'm the only true nobleman on ilx as has been previously established.

Port out, starboard home.

its only another superb thread from meself

as my friend said when teased abt his (incredibly powerful innate) poshness in infant school: "posh is a silly word the children made up"

Educated working class. Earn what would have been a decent wage 20 years ago but which is shit now. Managed to buy a house. Two paycheques away from serious trouble. Don’t know how many peers afford the lifestyles they appear to have. Know how to use posh cutlery in theory but never had to.

darragh u forgot an "im an american and waht is this" option

You can wait in the anteroom until we finally get this sorted out.

the american option is in the title that says its for ukilxors

I know but I’m addicted to voting in polls

nervous tick

Americans all use our forks and knives in a totally insane fashion that the rest of the world can spot a mile off and are therefore ineligible for this poll even if we meet all other criteria

I have been doing it what I was told was the European way since childhood because it is way more logical and fuck passing a fork into my dominant hand

anyway I’m bourgeois down to my bones and at peace with that

Americans all use our forks and knives in a totally insane fashion that the rest of the world can spot a mile off and are therefore ineligible for this poll even if we meet all other criteria

― El Tomboto, Thursday, 25 July 2019 02:53 (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

That would explain a few things...

SO, how is your cutlery ordered in your drawer, UKILXors?

Mine:
<Spoons>, <Forks>, <Knives>
<......teaspoons..........>

<......teaspoons..........>
<Forks>, <Knives>, <Spoons>

Chopsticks in the long section the right of the spoons and teaspoons.

<random mishmash>

^trv p05h m8

xp ah yes, the chopsticks, skewers, free-with-drinks swizzlers and other random implements section

(I was going to say "Pimms swizzlers" but that might have accidentally outed me as posh)

(everyone not from Oxford believes everyone from/in/around Oxford to be posh anyway)

i use a spoon for everything

all other cutlery is a tool of the oppressor

today was a bad day to wear my gold top hat, it has melted to entomb my head

your a bloody trendy steampunk, not a real stovepiper. I was just looking at some online top hat sellers, there seems still a demand for them and some of them cost over £300!

I don't really consider it a genuine top hat unless it's completely saturated with mercuric nitrate.

(everyone not from Oxford believes everyone from/in/around Oxford to be posh anyway)

I lived in Reading for several years and you either got that impression or the opposite where people would say well you think Oxford is posh but Cowley Road is a post-apocalyptic hellscape where you would be stabbed in 5 minutes if you set foot there (which it may be, I have never set foot there, so have not been stabbed)

schrodinger's stabbing

cut ffs

fuck him up deems

My friend who grew up in Blackbird Leys would LOL at this concept (she has a poshish name despite this, or at least one that doesn’t strike instantly as common).

mark it may well be that a gold topper sporting toff can inveigle a sassenach urchin of my approximate means and background to acts of random violence against his middle/upper-middle betters but squire as a gael and therefore essentially unrecognising of your grading system i have to sadly decline

cut ffs

mods pls delete my account

xp and a fine gael u make sir

my god the local knowledge is worrying

I recently found an old cassette from 1976, with 14-year old me doing his own alternative Top Twenty countdown. DAMN I sounded posh back then.

when i was a small child i sounded posh because my mum has a bougie accent despite working class background and my dad is ESL and learned english from a posh english woman. had to amend it when i went to school because id have been bullied otherwise

^ That could almost be me.

My mum very convincingly dropped her Irish accent for something like RP when she got to the UK and I enjoyed trying to speak proper so got called posh a bit when I got to secondary school. Hasn't happened since.

Despite a facility for languages my dad has never come close to losing his European accent.

Occurs to me I actually haven’t got much of a sense of how many ilxors are actually posh - not in this thread’s sense of having gone to school up to age 16 or whatever but actually meaningfully posh. You could all be a load of fleabag-sounding fuckers for all I know (nb I do not know how fleabag sounds)

posh iirc

They’re showing the play it’s based on at the cinema. I’d go but theatre is for poshos iirc

i think you’re allowed to go to see it at the cinema as long as you get a ticket for something else then sneak in once the film you paid for is finished

I'm the anti-jim - had (fairly mild tbh) regional accent as a child until I went to public school (assume this automatically makes me posh for the purposes of this thread, despite any protestations I might make) but had to lose it because I was bullied for it. not that losing my accent stopped them calling me common scum on a regular basis because I still lived in a council house no matter how I talked

Occurs to me I actually haven’t got much of a sense of how many ilxors are actually posh

got to keep a bit of ambiguity in case need arises to poor mouth it to win an online argument in future

absolute facts

my favourite bit of poor mouthing is that lauren lauverne wiki entry where it mentions her grandparents were shipbuilders and coalminers or fucking cheese scraping factory trolleyboys that lived in a hole in the road or whatever first. And then it mentions her dad was a sociology lecturer and her mum was a teacher!

i had a posh classmate at uni. so posh that he sounded english despite being from perthshire or some shit. about a year into hanging out he dropped that he assumed i was a working class person who grew up in the east end of the city and it was funny for me to realize that i just assumed that everyone could completely hone in on your social class based on your accent because everyone i knew who was local could.

like i can hear a scottish woman talk and mentally be like "working class, university educated"

I used to have this posh Belgium friend at school who I felt sorry for because he did get bullied a lot. But I ditched him when he coldly admitted to me that his mother had told him to avoid "anyone from that appalling Irish family" and it was causing him angst. I got the last laugh on his posh bigoted mum when his older brother (who was quite well known in W Yorkshire because he was the model on the Opera North poster) was taken to hospital then prison after a huge condom of coke split open in his stomach on flight from Indonesia or somewhere like that. tossers!

True or False: Only in UK would one's degree of poshness be gauged solely in terms of one's accent, regardless of one's present class or social standing?

False, I would say.

Lauren Laverne’s mum was a Sunderland councillor for Labour for 15 years and was once shortlisted as a PPC to take over Chris Mullin’s seat.

I wouldn't judge people on accents at all and there is often a gulf between culturally middle class and financially middle class, but i don't think there is widespread awareness of this. There were points in my glittering career as an electrician when I was probably earning more than some middle class people.

xp

what is a PPC?

Prospective Parliamentary Candidate

Proper Proletarian Comrade, eeeeeeeeh.

I wouldn't judge people on accents at all and there is often a gulf between culturally middle class and financially middle class, but i don't think there is widespread awareness of this. There were points in my glittering career as an electrician when I was probably earning more than some middle class people.

― calzino, Thursday, July 25, 2019 4:02 PM (fourteen minutes ago)

i think that's pretty common. my uncle - some man so he is - is a bit of a stereotypical working class east end glaswegian and left school at 14 and became a joiner and he is worth like ten times what my bougie parents are

most wood butchers end up with serious respiratory system diseases from breathing in all that MDF dust tho!

If only i was able to get a driving license, that would have been my turning point and full transformation into fiscal middle classness. But alas here I am, in the gutter... again!

I could have been the next Charlie Mullins ... will have to take that bitterness with me to the grave :(

I got the last laugh on his posh bigoted mum when his older brother (who was quite well known in W Yorkshire because he was the model on the Opera North poster) was taken to hospital then prison after a huge condom of coke split open in his stomach on flight from Indonesia or somewhere like that. tossers!

I... am not quite seeing how this constitutes u getting the last laugh tbh

because she described my family as appalling and her son was a fucking drug mule!

sorry an upper middle-class drug mule.

and his mum was quite a big voice in what you could fairly call the posh catholic mafia. Involved in the local PTA and all that shite that your own parents wouldn't be let anywhere near!

I hope that bit of consummate and shameless poor mouthing clears it up for ya!

admirably, calz, admirably

have ye all voted lads

As an American, confusion over class identity is my proud birthright.

to answer an aimless q upthread: it's not an accident that the "four self-made yorkshiremen" sketch was first performed by three cambridge graduates "doing" a yorkshire accent, plus marty feldman (east end london jewish working-class)* as the fourth (in its original pre-python form). jokes abt the observable fact made by ppl not really from the background mocked -- and moreover jokes that land -- are as ukanian as the original posh-or-not question. (

a LOT of code-shifting goes on the UK, in all directions, amplifying elements of yr accent to suit where you are. some ppl are so good at this that no one spots and judgments re "where yr coming from" are wildly awry; other ppl are bad at it. everyone laughs at the bad ones, but the good ones are probably the danger

we are living thru a a glut of fancy foax pedal-to-the-metal on "being working class" by citing what parents or even grandparents did: which is to say relatively achieved-posh foax playing at the opposite. but this is not new either (chesterton had a lot of fun with this same phenom in the 1910s).

anyway: tldr posh is a shifting cultural marker for a class reality, which as often as not obscures the reality bcz everyday life is for everyone a weave of difft performances in difft contexts, and strong performance will always be admired and mimicked

*feldman also co-wrote the famous "class" sketch for the frost report, which featured cleese, ronnie barker and ronnie corbett

jokes abt the observable fact made by ppl not really from the background mocked -- and moreover jokes that land -- are as ukanian as the original posh-or-not question.

took me a while to work out the relevance of ukraine to this thread

ukania: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Nairn#Outline_of_his_arguments

insania: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vu2LjdaLOMc

Four Yorkshiremen sketch is possibly more about Yorkshire than class?

in my judgment no, given its original writer and performers: it's abt the performance of a specific kind of yorkshireness as a class weapon (upwards and downwards)

but yes it's abt both -- and actually i'm not sure what metric you'd bring to measure "more about" and "less about"?

"how can we know the dancer from the dance?" as some non-ukanian once asked

I'm not sure either.

The Gammon Phenomena was instructive as you had a bunch of middle class media wankers, who hate and fear the working classes, rushing to the defence of the Gammoners on the assumption that, because the original Gammon 9 had Yorkshire accents, they must be w/c and, as such, being unfairly attacked by middle class media wankers like themselves. This despite the fact that the G9 were obviously golf club/ Rotary Club Northern Tory types. I saw one of the leading Gammoners on another discussion show not long after and he was a farmer who, surprise surprise, employed dozens of EU workers to pick whatever crops they grow in Yorkshire.

Tea, mostly

comedy marmalade is britain's future iirc

Peas, if this advert is to be believed... which it isn't...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qT39e68G48

when I look at a piece o' dog shit it reminds me of me fatha! ee by gum

I see barley, caulies, cabbages, rapeseed ... and erm other stuff as well, but I only see peas in the supermarket - where we have to queue for them because of shortages. Ah those rarefied green gems are always worth waiting 3 hours for.

mmm peas and gammon.

Mushy or gtfo

let's not litigate this again, it nearly tore the board apart the last time

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/31/54/38/31543857e5d8733ed5597b9b381d0581.jpg

I love my mushy peas quite unhealthy i.e. with a few spoons of sugar, a baby handful of salt and a decent sized lump of butter melted in them.

(example, a man eating peas with the idea that they will improve his virility shoves them straight up his urethra)

"how do you like your mushy peas in the morning, baby?"

is probably one of the most underrated chat-up lines ever.

see how I subtly code-shifted the conversation, I'm just disguises all the way down is my answer to the poll

let's not litigate this again, it nearly tore the board apart the last time

― another no-holds-barred Tokey Wedge adventure for men (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 30 July 2019 13:13 (twenty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

no do let's

it might tear the board apart this time

actually yeah you're right

fuck mushy peas and anyone who likes them

*smashes a bottle of Sarson's on the bar*

great thread to watch from the nosebleed seats

oh there'll be nosebleeds alright

saw a pea signal in the sky summoning me.. I'm ready to fight this war again and again.

MUSHY PEAS ALL THE WAY, ALL THE TIME.

this is good but can we find a way to work in ronaldinho bottle openers, tipping and poptimism too

A lot of what mark s is describing regarding "my granny grew up in a shed" sounds like upper-middle-class to me, IE not posh - none of Monty Python afaik were proper posh, posh is the citadel which no-one enters and no-one leaves. Which is one of the reasons why the difference of the reactions to Kate Middleton and Meghan Markle are fascinating (in very small doses).

posh is the citadel which no-one enters and no-one leaves:

Catherine Elizabeth Middleton was born at the Royal Berkshire Hospital in Reading on 9 January 1982 into an upper-middle-class family.[13][14][15][16][17]

(oops i might have ital-ed the thread there)

(ok i didn't)

Hot peas in vinegar >>>>>>>>>> mushy peas

Good enough for Jimmy...

https://culturedarm.com/food-in-fiction-hot-peas-and-vinegar-in-two-gallants/

You could do a whole Joyce cookbook and somebody probably has

at least the peas are hot, only poshos eat cold ones!

https://cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/1015047-green-pea-guacamole

when I think of Gammon I suppose if they came from generations of farming, their ancestors might have felt their noses put out of joint by the rise in status and rights and importance of the urban working classes (that's all gone now) - especially in the days when allegedly farmers were dirt poor and not recipients of huge subsidies for every time they say "this moi land" or batter a badger to death. Hence why they are such bloated, angry, tory kulak bastardos who are loyal to landed gentry only. I occasionally walk past this farmer and the murderous contempt in his eyes and complete lack of civility when I say alright to him just encourages me to wang the odd empty can into his field.

farmers have a different relationship to human society than do others ime.

an inch or less behind their greedy, resentful pig eyes is the ingrained knowledge that slaughter is an option in any disagreement.

some dark belief system that plugs easily into that wicker man, brutal-be-nature certainty that we're just another animal.

and the land, that thing about the land.

cash poor, land rich

also they smell like silage

unsure if uk silage is the same, but that was true of my grandfather in these lands

“The creatures outside looked from ilxor to farmer, and from farmer to ilxor, and from ilxor to farmer again; but already it was impossible to say which was which”

I don't think you can be cash poor and land rich with the current system of EU subsidies over here and it will be interesting to see if our current gov will match the generosity of that current system (well not really cos obv they won't!). But these bloody minded fuckers want brexit first (even though it could destroy their business), then thermonuclear war on Iran 2nd.. tbf some of the farmers i hear on Farming Today are quite rational and realistic about brexit and the damage it could do to them - they must be neophyte fucking townies!

blowing my mind that the isle of britain still has farms

surely there's no room for more than four or so

Dude "our royal family" still owns whole fucking counties

the highlands are the most sparsely populated area of western europe iirc (most of the land isn't that good for farming mind you, and what is has been plundered for fucking deerstalking)

Was about to say.

This was a good article from a couple of years back. Most land in the UK is farmland, and the only nation of the UK where that isn't the case is Scotland.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41901294

surprising! feels like u could be building on more of it

comedy marmalade already indicated smdh

This was the one I actually wanted to post but the other one has a nice big green map on it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41901297

the northern, geologically very old as fuck part of Scotland was a bit of New York that broke off continental America iirc.

Peat bog covers almost seven times as much land as all Britain's buildings.

all of it a sink for old carbon dioxide just waiting to be released and fuck the planet even harder

We'll need it all for fuel after Brexit.

this lrb essay (sub only sadly) by james meek is v good on farmers and brexit and the sheer tangle of thinking it involved: https://www.lrb.co.uk/v38/n12/james-meek/how-to-grow-a-weetabix

i am also rereading a much earlier essay (2001) by ilx-punchbag andrew o'hagan abt farming in the UK (it was published as a little booklet and i gave it to me mum as a present, as this was a topic that greatly interested her) (she lived in rural shropshire, which is very full of farming)

anyway the reread is slow bcz it is VERY ANNOYINGLY WRITTEN, which lol i don't think i noticed before (sorry mum): aoh's status as a punchbag is WELL EARNED

it us

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the northern, geologically very old as fuck part of Scotland was a bit of New York that broke off continental America iirc.

― calzino, Tuesday, July 30, 2019 10:44 AM (seven minutes ago)

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i'm taking a wee dauner here by the way, ya cunt ye

Avalonia was a microcontinent in the Paleozoic era. Crustal fragments of this former microcontinent underlie south-west Great Britain, southern Ireland, and the eastern coast of North America. It is the source of many of the older rocks of Western Europe, Atlantic Canada, and parts of the coastal United States.

Lool, this is what I was talking about.

all of it a sink for old carbon dioxide just waiting to be released and fuck the planet even harder

AVALONIA.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/54905025449afb7f809a35647c2ff38d/tenor.gif

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2018/sep/14/cornwall-and-south-devon-originally-belonged-to-europe

it literally was the british riviera, hence the abundance of tungsten and tin + identical rock types of france.

lol jim

have ye all voted lads

Checks out

voting is mainly for rich old ppl iirc

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Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

gosh these results will make for wonderful fap talk

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

bullshit

just about a 52/48 ratio sounds about right

wins otm

*pops monocle*

bullshit

Not to worry, you'll be able to sniff the poshness out in person, Faking It-style.

idk how to say this without saying it

but

all british ppl look the same to me

And they all have names like Lyonetta Edith Regina Valentine Myra Polwarth Avelina Phillipa Violantha de Orellana Plantagenet Tollemache-Tollemache.

guilty as charged

*changes surname to "pie&mash-pie&mash" to celebrate yorkshire day*

im posh but yknow its beastly 4

How did this lose?!?!?!

Some of us played the top-hole modesty double-bluff

tapping_temple_wisely.gif except it's my gold top hat i'm tapping

― mark s, Friday, July 26, 2019 12:13 PM (six days ago) bookmarkflaglink

can't help but think a working definition of poshness lies somewhere between darragh's "you are a Brit who lives in some kind of roofed building" and AF's "you are within 4 places of the throne of somewhere"

also it's a cultural-political term subject to significant variation in use, as determined by regional, community and class factors

"posh" signifiers when I was a schoolkid included wearing glasses, being able to spell

today i learned nv went to a khmer rouge school

The West Midlands was full of them.

*jello biafra voice* "pol! posh! pol! posh! pol! posh!"

can't help but think a working definition of poshness lies somewhere between darragh's "you are a Brit who lives in some kind of roofed building" and AF's "you are within 4 places of the throne of somewhere"

― seven against feebs (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 1 August 2019 12:10 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

also it's a cultural-political term subject to significant variation in use, as determined by regional, community and class factors

― mark s, Thursday, 1 August 2019 12:16 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

i think tbh lads yeve marked it out nicely by these two posts

one of the things ye

yes, ye

struggle with is the lack of a term that signifies the reachiness of a relative attempt at posh that takes into account yr natal, environmental, economic etc factors

ie ye dont have #notions like we do. covers a gamut.

We give ourselves airs sometimes, which might be something like the same thing.

yes actually thats a fair rejoinder

fuck ive to start this thesis again, again

Growing up I always thought a sign that someone was posh was that they had the radio times instead of one of the cheapo TV guides, daft maybe but so are a lot of the ways poshness is defined - I think some of the area covered by these poll options if I understand them is like posh in the same way that walkers sensations are posh

I grew up on a council estate and today I still live in social housing in the same postcode so I’m not displaying much in the way of mobility upward or down. My dad was a builder and now works in a Tesco, mum worked nights at an old folks home but got a degree when I was in secondary school and moved into the middle class profession of teaching at an fe college (we still never had any money tho). Dad comes from an Afro-Caribbean immigrant family in east London - he’s never really talked much about it but I think he had a rough childhood before joining the army. Mum’s folks come from the Glasgow tenements - to hear them talk, growing up poor but happy chugging mince n tatties in an open midden - and my grandparents came to Cambridge to look for jobs with nothing but the mattress on their backs, and the rest of the clan (a lot of them, they’re catholics) eventually followed them down. Underclass cred side note btw, that side of the family has some dodgy crims and I could tell some calzian stories about the degenerate fucking villains and thugs in my extended family!

Having said all that my current job is the first one I’ve ever had where the pay was expressed to me as an annual rather than hourly figure - it’s just another drone job really and doesn’t pay that well but it’s undeniably a more middle class industry, most of my coworkers are university educated (unlike me). And I don’t feel “culturally working class” I don’t think, I’m pretty sure I eat whatever the wealthy columnists have decided the middle class foods are now, plus I do the guardian xword.

tldr it is stupid to pretend that posh means the same as “a bit middle class in some respects; I’ve no doubt most ilxors are the latter; if I’d voted in this I’d have hovered between not posh honest and scum but like, crème de la scum

Growing up I always thought a sign that someone was posh was that they had the radio times instead of one of the cheapo TV guides

fuckin truth bomb right here

xp Anyway these matters are programmed so deep into us that wrong-feeling* class signifiers often produce a fathomless disgust deeper by far than mere language, one that manifests as different kinds of contempt.

*I know what I mean. Somewhere between unnatural and undeserved but the word I first wanted to use was unearned.

a very fine answer

the poll is ofc to be taken in as light or as accusatory (heh its a pun in context look) a tone as one prefers to habitually ascribe to the starter

love to ask ukilxors about class and money obv

politics just makes ye seethe and i get nervy for whomever is the current mayor of cork or whatever

(additional wrinkle in the truthbomb digression: radio times ONLY carried BBC-related info before 1991)

well yeah, nothing of any worth on the other channels

wait the circulation of the radio times for the first half of 2018 was 577,087?!

what the fuck

of course, any former 80's paperboy knows the TV Times was the dedicated Itv/Ch4 guide, then the berlin wall came and down and peace broke out between them or something. Many of the poshos I delivered to got both!

I did about 8 paper-rounds to feed my addiction to comics amphetamines. I'm probably still carrying back injuries from when the Sunday papers suddenly got fucking massive in '87 or something.

My granny got TV Times AND Radio Times, don't remember the BBC being on in her house much though.

Not only did my grandmother take the Radio Times (and never the TV Times) she had a special leather-bound folder thing to keep it in. (She also took the Birmingham Post (broadsheet) and never the Evening Mail (tabloid). These things mattered to her.)

Saturday morning/afternoon was Western/gangster movie, the wrestling, World of Sport.

... boring horseracing on for hours at a time.

the in-joke in our house used to be about how my dad was a typically thick as fuck Kerryman, because his justification for not getting a coloured tv was that he only watches the snooker on it!

keeps u guessin tbf

early Saturday memories = round the back of my nan's sofa wreathed in her cig smoke, also wrestling, World of Sport, possibly an old movie

Oh God, yes, my Granny smoked 80 a day.

... didn't do her any harm too... apart from going blind, as good as.

my Gran from Tralee use to give me booze and fags from the age of 14, she used to be a chainsmoker with this exotic looking cigarette holder - well I'd seen one before. She was the only family on my dad's side I had much affection for. I can still remember playing her the pet shop boys Disco album and she was saying: this is real grand music is this. I think lots of people had inspirational chainsmoking grans back then.

My gran: that, but posh - retired fashion buyer, cigarette in deco holder, very good at mixed drinks and after-dinner schnapps in tiny red glasses.

(additional wrinkle in the truthbomb digression: radio times ONLY carried BBC-related info before 1991)

This is true – and the TV Times ONLY had ITV/Channel 4. What's more, before that year no other magazines (or newspapers) could print a whole week's worth of TV – only that day's. So more or less everyone in 70s/80s Britain who had a TV bought bought Radio/TV Times if they wanted to know what was coming up. It was amazing when the papers suddenly could print their own TV guides – a big tabloid hullabaloo.

It was obligatory, you had to buy both, every week.

When they got to publish each other's schedule, most people (I believe) went Radio Times. TV Times was more about Soap Opera coverage. Mind you, the RT definitely got more gentrified, particularly when you get an indication of the target market via the adverts : Statuettes, ceramic plates, commemorative gold coins of 3 mm wide from obscure islands with suitably "ROyal Minte" type names. (I think it's like this now, innit?)

So, it got to only buying the Christmas edition, then not even that.

Yeah, we only had them at christmas, can't remember what we'd do the rest of the year if we wanted to know what was on a few days in advance... use ceefax maybe?

But you tell young people today about the TV Times/Radio Times closed shop, they won't believe you (at least, that's how I interpret the glazed, bored look in their eye)

At what point did those trailers between shows of what was coming up that evening/tomorrow/later that week, stop?

a special leather-bound folder thing to keep it in

I remember seeing an advert for this in the Radio Times and thinking that it was pretentious wannabe posh posturing.

POSHturing!

basically calz the only one sure enough in not being posh to answer directly, rly

darragh u forgot an "im an american and waht is this" option

― president of deluded fruitcakes anonymous (silby), Wednesday, 24 July 2019 22:37 (three weeks ago) bookmarkflaglink

You can wait in the anteroom until we finally get this sorted out.

― Andrew Farrell, Wednesday, 24 July 2019 22:47 (three weeks ago) bookmarkflaglink

antebellum shurely

got to keep a bit of ambiguity in case need arises to poor mouth it to win an online argument in future

― Aston "Family Court" Barrett (Bananaman Begins), Thursday, 25 July 2019 22:06 (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink

absolute facts

― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Thursday, 25 July 2019 22:13 (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink

Last good thread on ilx imo

No way ye answered honestly neither

i answered 'top-hole' ffs what more do you want, blood

*keeps eye out nervously for guillotines*

I'm happy with sweat, but im an awful easygoin type

never behead ban l0u1s jagg3r

For a period of time after its invention, the guillotine was called a louisette

louis' 'ead

dance! and drink and! screw!

ogmor
Posted: 24 July 2019 at 09:40:01
what

Only otm comment itt

gosh these results will make for wonderful fap talk

― phil neville jacket (darraghmac), Wednesday, July 31, 2019 2:16 AM (one year ago) bookmarkflaglink

This one's otm too, tbf

I voted Bobby Gillespie, that was very honest.

Tbh I have lived here over a decade and the intricacies of the UK class system are still a mystery to me, the one thing I can say is that they’re really really into it.

by current social standards I was dragged up but my mum says my upbringing was soft as shit compared to hers, her mum's parenting motto was "a bit of neglect does them no harm" lol.

i'm upper lower-middle class scum

top work from me up and down this thread tbrr

Sorry did you say toff or toff

Pop your top toff love I've got an idea

Lol

i'm actually the poshest brit on this message board fwiw

Whatever PRINCE HARRY

The Windsors are not really considered posh by real posh people, of course. There was that thing about how some people thought Lady Diana was marrying beneath her by marrying into the Royal Family.

we shant kid ourselves they said