The ILX Animated Series Poll Results Thread is part of this complete breakfast

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Here they are! The 77 animated series which received the most points from you, the voters! It's my second day of a new job so I'm too tired to make a good post, honestly! But that's OK, because Leee and the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall are here to actually create and post the rollout, for which I'm grateful. OK!

Zim!

yay!

thx for doing this silby + co :) looking forward to seeing the results!

this poll got me watching a bunch of anime again so my ballot is already out of date

here's to the European stuff getting a good look-in!

A lot of you slobs are irredeemable Gen Xers it turns out, whod’ve thunk

I’m on my phone right now so I’ll just kick things off with a taste.

77. Critic, The
33 points, 2 votes, 0 firsts

not a fan of this taste

not a stellar start but only 2 votes hoping that means most of my ballot placed lol

the episode of the simpsons where the critic shows up is good (not really because of the critic, but whatever), never seen an ep of the actual show

The episode with Sickle and Ebert was funny. Don't remember much else about the series beyond that.

*Siskel

xxp that's all I've seen too, seemed like too much of a one-note character to bother investigating further

ah man if 2 votes gets you placed then...well you know the drill #doublingup

76. Rugrats
34 points, 3 votes, 0 firsts

yay!

my first favorite tv show.

How many ballots were there in the end?

just missed my ballot but almost voted for it based on a combination of childhood affection and it being one of the few animated shows that had very visible jewish characters + narratives (including passover + channukah specials)

The Simpsons being the other one?

i rewatched most of the critic recently. largely holds up, rich characters, two of the greatest orson welles gags in pop culture history

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i7ycxiog40

oh what luck, there's a french fry stuck in my beard

Thought I'd voted for Rugrats but it didn't survive my main-poll chopping. Definitely childhood affection but I'm sure it would stand up relatively well.

(including passover + channukah specials)

― Mordy, Tuesday, September 10, 2019 12:05 PM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

love both of these, still can quote some of it.

are we not doing graphics or anything for the entries?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wfl3u7SXKMU

Mordy - top 50 is getting the treatment.

Rugrats Passover and Rugrats Chanukah are v important to me

75. Town Called Panic, A
35 points, 2 votes, 0 firsts

the imago/tt bloc alone on that one I see

well, watch it. and watch the film. actually there might be two films. watch it all. it's so good. inventive madcap stop-motion has never been this wild, funny or uplifting

74. Astro Boy (1980-1981)
35 points, 3 votes, 0 firsts

72T. Willo the Wisp
36 points, 2 votes, 1 firsts

72T. Justice League
36 points, 2 votes, 0 firsts

In this lovely assistant's opinion TWO VOTES for Justice League is unconscionable. Where my nerds at??

i haven't seen any of the last 4 :(

Aw, who was the first-placer for Willo the Wisp? It was on my ballot but I didn't get around to re-watching so it was totally a vote from kid-me. But even the character designs totally rule:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c9/d8/6a/c9d86a8de1252ec7dbd43be66a141e4b.jpg

The Moog

My first place vote, huge part of my childhood and still stands up

need to see that yes

71. Death Note
37 points, 3 votes, 0 firsts

A bit of Willo for the unacquainted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnWhYSg3wwI

ok i would have absolutely voted for this

didn't quite reach 'w' in my alphabetical survey of the nominations :(

i saw all of death note and it's a great ride. can't imagine ever rewatching it though, sorta like breaking bad

70. Mr Benn
38 points, 3 votes, 0 firsts

I’m curious, did anyone not stick to the nomination list or just me?

i stayed away from death note for so long bc the premise sounded stupid i was like "how could this show about high schoolers writing names in a death book be any good and not just mopey unrealistic hs drama" but they do a very good job of exploring what such a scenario would actually look like and at least for the first half of the show the cat + mouse stuff is really engaging and interesting. the supernatural element never really gets satisfactorily explored and after the [SPOILER] original antagonist dies his replacement just feels like a knock-off and the whole plot sorta loses the thread at that point. but the first chunk of the show is v compelling. (don't think this was on my final ballot.)

death note kinda lives in that space of widely popular thing that no one i know is particularly evangelical about so i've never gotten the push to watch it

I voted for a fair amount of Ye Olde Englishe animation but Mr Benn didn't make my cut. Death Note did, though, and I'm kind of surprised it got so few votes.

Not sure why I italicised one title and not the other there. ¯\ _(ツ)_/¯

HOOOLY SHIT! i didn't not realize what Willow the Wisp was until i saw that image. i watched it as a kid and kid entirely lost the memory of it!

Voted for Mr Benn lower down on my ballot, basically just for the incidental music in this episode, especially about 7 minutes in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrSeSQ5rm4k

69. Hey Dugee
39 points, 3 votes, 0 firsts

sadly my daughter has abandoned hey duggee in favour of paw patrol or the even more unbearable pj masks.

All my votes in the 60-77 bracket eh? guess that's better than not placing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=K05N2jqFHc8

never thought I'd see an apocalypse now homage in a pre-school animated tv show.

are we doing a theme songs rollout?

Yes, at some point! But in the meantime, enjoy some pizza!

68. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1987-1996)
40 points, 3 votes, 0 firsts

Theme songs I haven't even tallied yet, I will probably put something together in one fell swoop after the main rollout goes through

unbearable pj masks

fuckin amen, how I hate that show

ledge, what are your feelings about the go jetters?

i was gonna vote for tmnt, but i realize my main experience with them came through the snes video game, not the series, of which my memory is a lot foggier.

Think I voted for the TMNT (or TMHT) theme song but not the show

Kind of shocking to see that TMNT lasted 10 seasons!

i liked the first tmnt film but wasn't into the tv series as a kid

A Town Called Panic (or Panique au Village) really is worth seeing. I was shown it during an undergraduate lecture on stop-motion and everyone animated toys for their next project. It is surreal and ingenious.

I voted for Death Note too! It just looks unbelievably stylish and full of depth. Also I can always get behind a high school noir, and I agree with Mordy that the earlier part of the season is really compelling.

TMNT...I think that got a nostalgia vote from me too. It was more my older brother’s thing, but that made it seem even cooler, and I got all his old t-shirts and jumpers of the show. He told me the other week that he saw a recent iteration of it and they were like businessmen.

ledge, what are your feelings about the go jetters?

haven't come across it, is it dreadful or diverting?

67. Mysterious Cities of Gold, The
40 points, 4 votes, 0 firsts

66. Doug (Nickelodeon and ABC)
40 points, 5 votes, 0 firsts

doug was my other favorite show as a kid--used to air in a block with rugrats.

doug also missed my ballot but i did vote it in the theme song poll and it holds a warm place in my heart primarily on the strength of musical band The Beats

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7c3bQQmwVE

i have a The Beats fan poster on my wall at the office (may have posted it in the other thread). the problem w/ doug ultimately is that in hindsight it's such a slight show. coming of age about a day-dreamy shy boy. my fave char was the beatnik sister. the love interest (patty mayonnaise) from my memory had no personality at all.

when disney got ahold of it, it lost the zany charm that made it special. flattened the characters and dulled the humor.

tbc i loved doug + rugrats as a child a lot but i tried to make my ballot stuff i might actually want to watch again and there was so much other nostalgia fuel vying for attention.

it still brings me a lot of joy to think about, and i haven't tried re-watching, but there was a lot of fun mythology (nema tode! quailman!) and the cast of characters was pretty vibrant (aside from patty mayonnaise, who is not much besides a great name).

killer tofu is, of course, all time for me

yeah i still get beets songs in my head from time to time.

i need my allowance! yo-de-lay-ee-hooo!

i remember there being a reoccurring character who was obsessed w/ yodeling. the principal maybe? the show def had an off-beat universe

dougrats

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voVY3-Xe8KY

pretty sure the yodeler was the vice-principal Mr. Bone

i remember mr bone -- he sounded like don knotts!

also loved the next-door neighbor who was always bragging that every single thing he owned was "very expensive!"

65. Serial Experiments Lain
41 points, 3 votes, 0 firsts

This was really high in my ballot. Existential philosophy + turn of the century cyber net thriller with flashy psychedelic visuals. Omg it’s amazing

Is it on Netflix?

its on youtube

Ive never seen that but Ive heard people talk about it. I might give it a watch!

This comment in the wiki is bemusing: "Ueda had to answer repeated queries about a statement made in an Animerica interview.[4][6][7] The controversial statement said Lain was "a sort of cultural war against American culture and the American sense of values we [Japan] adopted after World War II".[8] He later explained in numerous interviews that he created Lain with a set of values he took as distinctly Japanese; he hoped Americans would not understand the series as the Japanese would. This would lead to a "war of ideas" over the meaning of the anime, hopefully culminating in new communication between the two cultures. When he discovered that the American audience held the same views on the series as the Japanese, he was disappointed."

Haha that's great

It's a very quick watch. I don't remember many details anymore but I recall being swept up in the mood of the whole thing. fairly different from Ghost in the Shell, which explores some similar areas

64. Sailor Moon
42 points, 3 votes, 0 firsts

I'll always have a soft spot for Sailor Moon, which was an important show for me growing up. The plot of the English dub was enough to hook me, but it was watching some of the subbed Japanese episodes (borrowed from a friend) that really opened my eyes. One, I realized there was this secret wealth of great shows that were never aired in the US. I absolutely loved the tape trading culture of anime and how everything was so hard to find. Two, it was the first time I paid attention to cultural differences, which eventually bloomed into a love of travel

That said, near zero desire to go back and rewatch it

62T. Gumby
44 points, 3 votes, 1 firsts

62T. Xavier: Renegade Angel
44 points, 3 votes, 0 firsts

61. Liquid Television
47 points, 3 votes, 0 firsts

60. She-Ra and the Princesses of Power
49 points, 4 votes, 0 firsts

I watched this because the internet seems to adore it, but I except for the episode the introduced us to Bo’s dads (which is genuinely excellent episode and easily the funniest of the series), I had a hard time enjoying it. I still contend that Catra is the protagonist in a Lucifer/Paradise Lost register.

77. The Critic
rewatched a few episodes for this poll. the first episode involves jay dating an actress who viciously dumps him when he gives a bad review of her acting. the other episode i watched ended with a parody of the crying game revelation scene with the woman secretly being barney the dinosaur. yeah, this hasn't held up. i remember the Shockwave™ episodes being even worse.

76. Rugrats
i remember some parents of young children being superfans of this in rec.arts.tv. i thought it was just ok. good theme song.

74. Astro Boy
one of my votes. one of my first experiences with serial storytelling. the circus episode is engrained in my mind -- i guess my parents had it on tape.

68. TMNT
this was a pleasant comedy show for kid me. i grew out of it before it ended.

64. Sailor Moon
another one popular on usenet, especially among people who knew little about anime but thought they were experts. "some noobs think sailor moon is for adults because it's anime, but it's not REAL anime", etc. i liked the episode where a bunch of main characters died before being brought back. it was a combination of several episodes into one for the english market.

59. Magic Roundabout, The (1965-1977)
49 points, 5 votes, 0 firsts

58. X-Men (Fox Kids, 1992-1997)
49 points, 5 votes, 0 firsts

I voted for this though I'm pretty sure it was a nostalgia trip for me. I wlll say that it was my first sustained exposure to the Phoenix/Dark Phoenix saga (I only read the Claremont comics much later into adulthood), and I ate it up like a kid eating glue.

57. Ulysses 31
50 points, 4 votes, 0 firsts

56. DuckTales (1987-1990)
51 points, 6 votes, 0 firsts

I watched the hell out of DT as a kid. I still remember the episode where the British butler screws up the triplets' baseball game because he doesn't understand the rules. The episodes with Gizmoduck were probably my favorite because I expect he was the Poochie of the era and I didn't know better.

55. Rocko's Modern Life
51 points, 6 votes, 0 firsts

54. Sealab 2021
52 points, 4 votes, 0 firsts

i liked the episode where a bunch of main characters died before being brought back. it was a combination of several episodes into one for the english market.

just two! the last two of the season. they're heartbreaking :(

53. Dr. Katz, Professional Therapist
52 points, 5 votes, 0 firsts

That said, near zero desire to go back and rewatch it

vinnie! it's worth it! ok there are many not-great sailor moon episodes but idk i also just love to watch it. the villain designs, the outfits, the infinitely recurring transformation scenes, the increasing queerness from season to season. it's like gay comfort food for me.

52. Ivor the Engine
53 points, 3 votes, 1 firsts

also sailor moon has a really compelling narrative about friendship and eternal love and time travel and interdimensional beings and utopian moon kingdoms, it kicks goddamn ass

i love the look of mr benn and ivor. never seen them before today.

51. Hey Arnold!
53 points, 4 votes, 0 firsts

That's the last one for today! Tomorrow, we'll get 50-41, and get to see the handiwork of Lovely Assistant Thermo!

Sealab TOO LOW

Hey Arnold is all-time for me purely on the basis of the episode where Helga goes to therapy

Noteworthy for being a show set in a city (forget if it’s literally New York or just extremely New York-like) when I feel like the suburbs, or at least detached single family housing, were the predominant setting for kid and family shows.

60. She-Ra and the Princesses of Power
After the initial arc of adora leaving the horde, there's a series of episodes that are so inconsequential that they could have been 80s she-ra episodes. it does improve once the story kicks back in. haven't made it to season 2 yet. by the way, the first two volumes of noelle stevenson's lumberjanes are well worth seeking out.

57. Ulysses 31
watched an episode for the poll. fascinating SF/F setting, with some surprisingly good animation, but then the need for kid-friendly sidekicks is a big negative. i am guessing daft punk liked it.

56. DuckTales
i was watching the annotated foodfight on youtube, and one of the notes was "you could be watching ducktales right now". a note to keep always in mind.

53. Dr. Katz, Professional Therapist
i ranked this pretty highly. a highlight is laura the receptionist, a great creation with a perfect voice acting performance. the recent audible podcast episodes are good too.

She-Ra’s most recent batch of episodes really start going places. Catra is the best character and Scorpia is my strong wife.

i think sealab was the first of the williams street adult swim shows i saw and i've never really revisited it but it seemed very funny to me at the time

vinnie! it's worth it! ok there are many not-great sailor moon episodes but idk i also just love to watch it. the villain designs, the outfits, the infinitely recurring transformation scenes, the increasing queerness from season to season. it's like gay comfort food for me.

ugh brad, you are so good at making me want to listen to and watch things, but I don't think you're gonna get me this time. I have a strong desire to go back and rewatch many specific moments, but there's SO much filler in between those moments. maybe someday an AI can figure out exactly what I liked and only show me that stuff

xp

77. The Critic
Orson Welles voiced by the guy who did Pinky kicks serious ass.

Sealab TOO LOW
FOR REAL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uWW--w4SRs

x-men the first from my ballot to place and tho i don't know how the show would hold up now here really the nostalgia was irresistible - not only an animated staple but essentially my introduction to the x-men and still to my mind the core true x-men team (even tho maybe kitty would've been better in the jubilee role...).

Maurice LaMarche is a legend

MOVE IT FOOTBALL HEAD

Tangentially related but have people seen this Youtube series?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ut0MovHdKvY

The Garfield installment is truly epic.

And by epic I mean cursed.

Magic Roundabout and Ivor the Engine way TOO LOW. I’m going to assume people just haven’t seen them. I’d have thought maybe The Magic Roundabout would have had some transatlantic success because of its cult stonery vibe, but perhaps not. It was originally a French show that a British studio wrote completely new scripts and characters for. It is mad and timeless and has the best theme tune ever.

I’ll wait for imago to wake up and eulogise the wonders of Ivor the Engine, which was my second place vote.

Magic Roundabout was my #13 and Ivor the Engine was near the bottom. My ballot was almost entirely based on childhood nostalgia but the placing was somewhat arbitrary.

I should have been gentler in my previous post, as the spirit of the shows would prefer.

In my excitement I didn’t even notice Hey Arnold. As a child I loved it for its depiction of a world that wasn’t resolutely cheerful. Most of the characters are poor and a lot of the games and fun the children have (from memory) are improvised in the streets around fantasy stories. It was a lot about finding hope and lightness in dark places, and not at all in a maudlin or melodramatic way.

Sailor Moon infinitely too low you savages, knew i shd've voted

She-Ra’s most recent batch of episodes really start going places. Catra is the best character and Scorpia is my strong wife.

Agreed. The second part of the second season (which Netflix is calling season 3, but it's quite obvious they just cut season 2 into two halves so they could release the first half earlier) is some really strong stuff, so I would recommend anyone who was lukewarm about first season watching these episodes too, before passing judgment. Scorpia is indeed awesome, and I love how they've made Catra into a three-dimensional character with understandable motivations, while still refusing to give her a clichéd "hidden heart of gold" redemption arc.

Ah shit Cities of Gold, Ulysses 31 and Hey Duggee all would've done a lot better if I'd got round to a ballot.

I’d have thought maybe The Magic Roundabout would have had some transatlantic success because of its cult stonery vibe, but perhaps not. It was originally a French show that a British studio wrote completely new scripts and characters for. It is mad and timeless and has the best theme tune ever.

Otm. Missed voting in this but it would've been high on my ballot (and I never saw it as a child). It really is the best theme tune of all time.

My 1 and 2 have landed outside the top 50 :(

They're about as different as two animated shows could be, but Ivor The Engine is the loveliest thing imaginable and Xavier: Renegade Angel is pure, delirious chaos

Here inside five minutes I hope you can understand why Ivor is, was, and shall always be my #1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfLM5Lt6jOQ

also I was another Magic Roundabout vote obv

I ended up cutting Ivor the Engine but I just remembered Idris the Dragon, who I *adored* as a child. All dragons are called Idris in my brain b/c of that lil guy. Damn.

yeah I could have easily posted the Idris introduction episode

https://i.imgur.com/jHIN9dB.jpg

50. Maxx, The
56 points, 4 votes, 0 firsts

I'd've had Noggin the Nog above Ivor tbh

sorry i didnt vote but i couldnt lean on what i thought was good in 1972

yeah me neither, this whole "I liked it when I was 8" criteria seems deeply stupid to me

in a poll of cartoons, i know

To be clear the whole concept of polling a tiny population of forum posters who are mostly the exact same age about their media preferences is pretty stupid! It’s diverting though.

borad description if ever i heard one

this whole "I liked it when I was 8" criteria seems deeply stupid to me

I voted for some on this basis, and others on what I like as an adult. A lot of cartoons are for kids, and voting for them based on loving them as a kid means that they achieved their goal perfectly. Having said that, I didn't vote for anything that I don't still harbour affection for now - I didn't even think about voting for TMNT b/c I just do not care about it at all, even though I'm sure I was into it back in the day.

yeah, I watched TMNT, Thundercats, He Man, Dungeons & Dragons as a kid, did not even consider voting for any of them.

look, i watched and loved silverhawks and heathcliff and superfriends and all manner of trash but a few things got in my MIND man and became archetypes that I'm still stuck with. so hell yeah i'm gonna vote for voltron. You pick what you consider to be cream and ladle that on. The bulk of my ballot was stuff I still do (or would) watch today.

I only voted for NYRB: The Animated Series, as anything less would be...uncivilized.

(j/k, didn't even vote because I was busy last week, but it probably would've been replete with cartoons used to advertise toys because some of them are still fun and, really, WGAF)

reason I didn't vote for Thundercats isn't because it was a toy advert, it's that I checked it out again and it was awful

I've been periodically watching and enjoying G.I. Joe over the past month, probably nearly as much as I did as a kid. It holds up!

I will concede, though, that some (possibly a lot) of those shows are absolute unwatchable trash.

YOU TAKE THAT BACK ABOUT THUNDERCATS

tbf most of the things i might've voted for would be things i got into when my kids watched them or kids I was working for watched them, in the golden age of Chocobots i was too much of a moody teen to watch that shit mostly

i spent many hours detailing complex and (thankfully?) unwritten fanfic episodes of thundercats while walking around a tree outside my house.
it was before the internet!

to be fair about 60% of my reaction to rewatching thundercats was "I have no fucking idea what is going on here"

that is at least 60% of why i have affection for it

that and the Mandora the Evil Chaser episodes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftU5GfORvH8

thread delivers

THAT BLASTED SAMOFLANGE

I had a Thundercats sword when I was a kid but it was another one I was always unlikely to throw a vote at. 25 ended up being fairly difficult to whittle down so ultimately it didn't stand a chance.

Anyway... MOAR TOONS NOW PLZ

You got it emil.y.

https://i.imgur.com/goXtR1Z.jpg

49. Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law
56 points, 6 votes, 0 firsts

unless they're all gen x american wisecrackcore ;) XPOSTS

too low imho! this show was brilliant. xpost

the early episodes of this are very clever use of their access to the HB catalog. i think they brought it back at some point but i didn't watch that

lotsa colbert in this iirc

oh right i forgot that he's the boss

Never saw this one, and even though I heard about it a lot I somehow I missed that the entire premise was based on Hanna-Barbera characters.

https://i.imgur.com/HdzZXmy.jpg

48. Bee and Puppycat
58 points, 4 votes, 0 firsts

This has been on my radar back when I was still on Tumblr because of CUET character design, but I've never gotten around to it. It's on something called VRV?

My wife adores Bee and Puppycat, and she's shown me and episode or two, which seemed quite lovely... I really should watch it all one of these days.

https://i.imgur.com/E5qkfEo.jpg

47. Downtown
59 points, 3 votes, 0 firsts

highly recommend bee and puppycat - all available on youtube and not very long (eps are like 3 min each you can knock out the whole show in an hour)

https://i.imgur.com/3X57kQa.jpg

46. Wacky Races (1968-1969)
59 points, 4 votes, 0 firsts

these imgs are beautiful btw great job on them

my earliest tv memory, other kids at the commune used to come round to my flat to watch it when i was about 4

I had kind of forgotten about Downtown. was a fun enough show i might have been a little too young to fully appreciate. was surprised to see it turn up in the top 50.
will def be one of the shows i circle back on.

xpost (thank you)

Downtown was in my top 10, I have such good memories of it and the time it was on MTV. I was 20, was living my own for the first time, and me and my flatmate watched the show obsessively. We totally identified with the two geeky protagonists, me with the dude and her with the girl. The episode where they consider hooking up with each other, cos their romantic lives is such a failure, so why not, but then realise it just feels too absurd to go through it, was particularly memorable. Too bad MTV cancelled it after just one season, I don't think there was anything quite like it; this was way before it became cool to have geeky protagonists in youth-oriented shows.

I threw loads of points to Downtown - it's smartly written and the animation still feels incredibly creative

Wacky Races was the best. Really lived up to its name.

shit i definitely watched downtown when it was on. completely forgot about it

https://i.imgur.com/pptaEOZ.jpg

45. Trap Door, The
59 points, 4 votes, 0 firsts

Oh globbits.

I probably should have voted for this

Glad to see Downtown and The Maxx make the list. MTV's animation department was pretty short-lived, but they made shows which still feel unique today. I love those scenes in Downtown where the animation followed the characters' imaginations.

Hey Arnold really captured the frequent melancholy of childhood. A lot of that was down to the soundtrack, of course.

Sailor Moon is one of those things I see a lot about on the internet, but have never actually seen on TV. I'm not sure any UK or Irish channel ever even showed it, and I can't remember seeing any merchandise etc. Of course the only time mainstream channels ever really showed anime was Pokemon and Digimon (and Cardcaptors, to a lesser extent) in the late 90s/early 00s.

You really should have, it rules.

xp

also loved the next-door neighbor who was always bragging that every single thing he owned was "very expensive!"

just wanted to enter in the record that in the doug movie this guy let doug try on his very expensive VR headset through which everything appeared exactly as it did in the real world, only more expensive

https://i.imgur.com/5N0Nyij.jpg

44. Justice League Unlimited
60 points, 3 votes, 0 firsts

And now I'm going the scold the lot of you for not voting for JLU (save the other two voters)! It's the culmination of BTAS (exquisitely paying off a lot of moments from the history of the DCAU), with amazing comic episodes ("This Little Piggy" wherein Wonder Woman is transformed into a pig and "Kid Stuff," the requisite "heroes get transformed into children" episode), and amazing multi-episode arcs with all the thrill-power you could want.

Granted, the last season is sort of throwaway, but the stuff in between is IMO on the same level as BTAS.

BTAS, STAS, JLU, and JL are all about equally great, top tier shows imo, and I've watched them multiple times through now that my kids are into them

https://i.imgur.com/2p3RqsD.jpg

43. Samurai Jack
62 points, 3 votes, 1 firsts

I didn't vote for Samurai Jack but it's really only because I haven't seen all that much of the original run. The melancholy conclusion that aired on Adult Swim last year is sublime though.

A shining example of What Animation Can Do, certainly, more so than many other shows that have placed so far.

https://i.imgur.com/yrxhUBr.jpg

42. Aqua Teen Hunger Force
62 points, 6 votes, 0 firsts

highlander was a documentary. the events were filmed in real time

samurai jack was cool

aqua teen was the one early 00s adult swim show that never clicked for me

Remember the Aqua Teen bomb scare?

It got more unpleasant over time, to the point it seemed like it was trying to get cancelled, but it was good for some laughs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2O7KRysCDE8

the foreigner belt episode alone

Last for today:

https://i.imgur.com/Xbghi4k.jpg

41. Metalocalypse
62 points, 7 votes, 0 firsts

True

A lot of these I've just never seen so I can't really join in this bit of the thread. I remember watching a couple of episodes of Samurai Jack while stoned but that's about it.

Did any of you non-UK people get to experience Trap Door? I highly recommend it. There's the cosy domestic horror of a castle full of claymation monsters, but also the wry nod to class politics.

whilst searching for images for this, I discovered a Metalocalypse/Downtown connection:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_waQ3KXQ28NY/ReSfMRRSd_I/AAAAAAAAABM/d69SYOyv3hw/s1600-h/Goat_01.jpg

well here's a link to the page since the image won't work

Remember the Aqua Teen bomb scare?

i was introduced to the girl who caused this at a hawaii lan party a few months before it happened. i think it started like that: in the wind.

lol i forgot about the bomb scare. i definitely saw one or two of them around during the week before whoever called it in as a bomb and they got removed

https://i.imgur.com/HkpdjXf.jpg

40. Science Ninja Team Gatchaman (including Battle of the Planets and G-Force: Guardians of Space)
63 points, 3 votes, 1 firsts

haven't seen this but, yay more results

https://i.imgur.com/wvVggPg.jpg

39. Clangers (1969-1972)
63 points, 4 votes, 0 firsts

Goat from Downtown also appeared in Megas XLR; he's kind of the animated equivalent of Det. John Munch

ha!

amazing how the phrase "G-Force" is lodged in my head after all else is forgotten

the Clangers is of course its own little slice of perfection, could easily argue it's Postgate's best

voted for Clangers, albeit lower than Ivor or one that is yet to place. my third favourite Postgate still makes it one of the most joyful things in the world

haven't seen the original gatchaman but gatchaman crowds is really good and interesting. i don't think it's related beyond carrying forward the brand and general aesthetic though.

https://i.imgur.com/2L0uXxn.jpg

38. Hilda
66 points, 4 votes, 0 firsts

I've praised Hilda already, but I'm glad that 3 other people saw fit to vote for it too!

I love the character designs, and was kind of wondering this style could be influenced by chibi? When did big heads on kids in Western animation/cartooning become a thing?

Peanuts started in 1950

george washington carver begs to differ

https://i.imgur.com/ilg8SOO.jpg

37. Rex the Runt
66 points, 5 votes, 0 firsts

Hilda is indeed awesome! Normally I would feel weird voting for a series after just one season, but that one season was already so charming and wonderful and beautifully drawn and animated, I felt confident to say this is one of the best all-ages cartoons of all time.

big heads on cartoon kids in u.s. comics dates back at least to percy crosby's skippy -- possibly even earlier? feels like a magazine cartoon kind of thing.

yay for rex the runt making it this high, it's the best aardman thing

While we're on the subject of big heads...

https://i.imgur.com/VSCdjxk.jpg

36. Powerpuff Girls, The
67 points, 8 votes, 0 firsts

shoulda voted for this one, totally forgot about it

also forgot about it in the theme song ballot, but it's a banger

Powerpuff Girls is a totally anarchic show in a way that's kind of out of vogue right now I think. A fun fact is if you try to watch it now on streaming, you can see how Ms Bellum's neck extends all the way to the edge of the frame in a really creepy way b/c the show was originally made for CRTs with a "safe area" cutoff.

they managed to smuggle in a bunch of deeply weird stuff...like HIM

love him

quick google brought this up, but it really was kinda subversive in the way it hid all this disturbing stuff in the "sugar, spice, and everything nice" framing: http://www.mtv.com/news/2944058/powerpuff-girls-dark-creepy-moments/

40. Science Ninja Team Gatchaman (including Battle of the Planets and G-Force: Guardians of Space) my #1, basically I was just the right age (somewhere under 10) where it had more of a lasting impact than your Magic Roundabouts and Ivor the Engines, but unlike say Ulysses 31 the rosy glow of nostalgia is still stronger than any serious critical re-evaluation. Sorry Shakey! Maybe I'll rewatch an episode or two sometime, lol.

Voted for Clangers, Rex the Runt and Powerpuff Girls. All quite different, but all joyous in their own ways.

I forgot about HIM! I only had Mojo Jojo in mind when I voted for PPG!

https://i.imgur.com/T4En8fH.jpg

35. Garfield and Friends
68 points, 6 votes, 0 firsts

https://media3.giphy.com/media/3Fda05IV7AjEzOYtyJ/giphy.gif?cid=790b7611647315d603c4fc7172696b6d57aa98a6fb31c7db&rid=giphy.gif

excellent image

Lorenzo Music will always be Garfield

Also part of excellent real names HOF.

didn't watch much garfield, but there was a garfield halloween special that scared the shit out of me when i was a kid

When CBS ordered up an entire Garfield special, Davis — not quite happy with the choice that had been made — inaugurated a major casting search for the perfect, permanent sound. Hundreds of actors were heard and re-heard before Lorenzo tried-out and Jim said, almost instantaneously, "That's the one." Thereafter, Lorenzo spoke for Garfield on more than a dozen prime-time animated specials (one of which he co-wrote, and several of which won Emmys) and on the Saturday morning Garfield and Friends show, which was on CBS for seven years.

As the writer (and later, co-producer and voice director) of the Saturday show, I was reunited with Lorenzo and came to truly appreciate his acting abilities. He was a thinking performer who would instantly grasp what had been written and, as often as not, come up with a way to maximize the humor. His suggestions were nearly always good, and contributed to making Garfield a truly memorable animated personality.

During this period, Lorenzo came up with the gimmick of keeping his visage from public view…a notion that flowed from all the curiosity he'd aroused when playing the never-seen Carlton on Rhoda. Thereafter, his publicity photos showed him in silhouette, or with something in front of his face, and he declined all TV interviews that would not present him that way. Although he had appeared occasionally on TV before, the stunt had its intended effect of arousing attention. People began wondering about the face that went with the voice and he often chuckled that he was becoming "semi-famous" for not being seen. He received several lucrative proposals to appear on-camera in movies and TV shows or as a commercial spokesperson and was forever considering them but always opting to wait for a better offer. (He once likened it to a great dramatic actor waiting for the right role before he'd perform without his hairpiece. He'd say, "I'm not showing my face for this one.")

thanks sic. A giant.

https://i.imgur.com/ytCHg3v.jpg

34. Pingu
70 points, 6 votes, 0 firsts

I *will* sell my family's fish for booze and then piss myself everywhere, I *will*.

duckman better place or yall are doing it wrong imo

how can anyone not vote for pingu

rex the runt doing very nicely i must add. i gave it loads of points - that first season is incredible. amazing surreal humour and animation. second season falls off a cliff, apparently due to a changed writing team, but i won't hold that against it too much

Pingu way too low altho the reboot probably loses it a few marks

Reboot?!

They made a couple of series especially for the BBC after the original finished, the later ones are inferior imo

Pingu way too low for sure

there's a more recent Japanese computer-animated reboot that I haven't seen

https://i.imgur.com/mepDtnD.jpg

33. Rocky and Bullwinkle and Friends, The Adventures of
72 points, 4 votes, 1 firsts

https://i.imgur.com/TWfKTQs.jpg

32. Paranoia Agent
77 points, 6 votes, 1 firsts

huh didn't know this was a thing, or at least enough of a thing to show up above e.g. lain

Maromi says TOO LOW
https://rei.animecharactersdatabase.com/uploads/chars/5688-49864703.jpg

Paranoia Agent was my #1, btw.

Sell me/us on it, emil.y!

https://i.imgur.com/m4LHLLa.jpg

31. Big Mouth
80 points, 7 votes, 0 firsts

ya, i'm kinda curious to know more about Paranoia.

maya rudolph deserves some kind of award for her big mouth voice over

i both love AND hate the way she says bubble bath.

Sell me/us on it, emil.y!

― Johnny Grottan from the Skeks Pistols (Leee)

Well, it's Satoshi Kon, and it has all the hallmarks of it - themes exploring the nature of reality, meshing realism and surrealism, great art and music (it's the guy from P-Model, who Kon uses a lot). And unlike a lot of otherwise great shows, it doesn't overrun and have to compensate with filler, it uses its time perfectly and then is gone...

Big Mouth was high on my list, its a tour de force.

In addition to being very cleverly written and funny, Big Mouth gets the absolute most mileage possible out of being animated. It's been such a giddy pleasure to watch them expand out the supernatural (or whatever) world of the hormone monsters. Maya Rudolph wins for best voice acting but David Thewlis' Shane Wizard is <chef's finger kiss>

uh Shame Wizard

Oh yes when Thewlis appeared this season I was absolutely delighted. They even made the shame wizard look sort of like him!

Big Mouth, a show about awkward puberty years.. that description alone is a hard pass for me

i was pretty surprised when i first watched it, that it wasn't just cruel mocking awkward children tbh.

No, it’s actually very sweet and has affection for even the most ridiculous of characters (coach Steve)

i was prepared to utterly loathe it but it's surprisingly good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVagWJhvVbM

This must spoil quite a lot but I'm def sold on Paranoia Agent after seeing this, thanks Emily!

great images
hell yeh 2 trap door

will def check out paranoia agent and trap door yh

big mouth wasn't at all for me based on a brief viewing

^ lived too exuberant an adolescence online to understand the concept of embarrassment

hah

https://i.imgur.com/kusr4oE.jpg

30. Over the Garden Wall
81 points, 8 votes, 1 firsts

<3

need to watch this one at some point it looks appealing

it is appealing!

threw this a vote, it's quite charming and that moment in the frogs episode is something else

I was predisposed to NOT liking Over the Wall, because the character designs are deceptively crude side (for me those noses)... but it's deceptive because the animation is gorgeous.

The world-building is layered and doled out in digestible portions over the course of the series, and the humor (which kind of put me off in the first episode) is for lack of a better word humanistic, flaws and all.

It should be called Over The Cemetery Wall if we're being pedantic tbf (that isn't a spoiler)

https://i.imgur.com/dDGzmKX.jpg

29. Legend of Korra, The
84 points, 5 votes, 0 firsts

Korra improved for me on my rewatch, even though none of my overall opinions of the individual seasons changed (hated 1 and first half of 2, loved second half of 2 and all of 3, bored by 4). I intensely love the Red Lotus, it turns out, and Zaheer is for my money the best antagonist in cartoons.

Yeah, season 3 is by far the best of the series, but I did like how the 4th season built upon everything Korra had gone through in the first four.

Also, I dunno if it was intentional right from the start, but there's a clear balance to the villains and their motivations in each season: 1 - pro-human anti-magic, 2 - pro-magic anti-human, 3 - anarchoprimitivism, 4 - technocratic fascism. Makes for a good overall arc for the series, IMO.

"how the 4th season built upon everything Korra had gone through in the first three"

https://i.imgur.com/BvOKcmy.jpg

28. Gravity Falls
85 points, 5 votes, 0 firsts

Gravity Falls was my biggest discovery from this poll (pending the anime series available on YT). Consistently funny with gradually deepening lore, then turns into a different beast in its finale arc.

(I do think that parts of the ending are a cop-out.)

Are the GF shorts worth tracking down?

i like the "fixin' it with soos" shorts, which are both on youtube.

There's also a tie-in comic book called Lost Legends, with four GF stories that are just like episodes of the show.

https://i.imgur.com/jionXzn.jpg

27. Homestar Runner (inclusive of Strong Bad Emails)
90 points, 6 votes, 0 firsts

Genuinely haven't ever seen any of the last 5. Might check one or two out.

Cool! Just be aware The Legend of Korra is a sequel(ish) of Avatar: The Last Airbender.

SBEs are super classic, even now theres still a lot of catchphrases from them in general internet parlance

Homestar Runner is 40% of my vocabulary

I say "no probalo" constantly

"my blood hurts"

"Sever your leg please sir."

whenever i read the word "toons" i still get the homestar voice in my head saying "toons...games...downloads...characters" etc. the exact cadence is etched in my brain

same

eeeemail

Matt Chapman, one of the H*R creators and the voice of most of its characters, was also a writer for Gravity Falls.

the email. the email. what what, the email

we had a flickering light in our apartment bathroom and it was an impromptu light switch rave

https://i.imgur.com/xyYf0WG.jpg

26. Venture Bros., The
92 points, 6 votes, 1 firsts

I don’t think I’d ever even heard of Homestar before this poll. Didn’t have a chance to check it out before voting, but sounds like I probably should?

https://i.imgur.com/wjHXUev.jpg

25. Bagpuss
94 points, 5 votes, 0 firsts

xp its a web cartoon from the early 00s, most famous for the strong bad emails where the character Strong Bad would answer a fan-submitted email question every week via an animated skit. was a pretty big part of 00s internet culture

https://i.imgur.com/1sLr8io.jpg

24. FLCL (original run)
98 points, 6 votes, 1 firsts

Homestar Runner was authored and published completely in Flash iirc, so got largely eradicated from history when the world gave up on the software?

they have rendered everything out to YouTube, which isn't perfect fidelity (clickable easter eggs were common, and there were games) http://www.youtube.com/user/homestarrunnerdotcom

but the flash site is still up if you care to install Flash.

FLCL is apparently a pretty straightforward narrative? But I totally got lost in its anarchic mayhem and weird things coming out of the protagonist's head to really pick up the plot!

I love the sound design though, especially when the bass guitar is used as a truncheon.

kind of harsh to give bagpuss, the best animated show of all time*, just ten minutes of poll rundown

*my number 3, but it really is the best

*professor yaffle voice*

yes yes well you see, all these modern American shows are full of existential irony, but Bagpuss...

*cheering mice voice*

wheeeee let us singggg you a sooonggggg

*narrator voice*

BUT EMILY LOVED HIM

*100000 tears*

It's nearing the end of the workday, I wanted to pick up the pace a bit!

(But I'm definitely picking up the pace MORE for obscuro Brit picks.)

(j/k)

https://i.imgur.com/NOoH7pJ.jpg

23. Archer
99 points, 7 votes, 0 firsts

https://i.imgur.com/jDjhV5A.jpg

22. Danger Mouse (1981-1992)
101 points, 8 votes, 0 firsts

lol ftr archer got 40 seconds

frisky dingo was probably better tbh, never saw enough of archer to judge *shrug*

it is very existential and ironic though clearly!!!

My general rule was to only vote for a show if I could remember the plot of at least one episode, but I made one exception for Danger Mouse

Someone tell Top Level!

https://i.imgur.com/uFJBP0v.jpg

21. Aeon Flux
105 points, 6 votes, 1 firsts

I've only seen it once, but the episode where she meets the kid who grants wishes shows her a reality where she's a soccer mom has stayed with me for years.

Someone is going to have to explain Bagpuss to me.

I've heard of the last three

Aw Jeez, how is Bagpuss so low? I thought that would be the consensus Brit-pick. It's certainly better than bloody Dangermouse.

BUT EMILY LOVED HIM

*100000 tears*

My first cat was called Bagpuss. Why? Because I loved him. ;_; ;_; ;_;

I was the number one for Venture Bros. Probably not my all time favorite animated show, but it’s just so lovingly created and whip smart that I thought someone had to rep for it and it might as well be me.

Didn’t realize Homestar was eligible or I def would’ve given it a vote.

I also should have thrown Homestar a vote but when I was voting it felt like a different thing than everything else I voted for. The voices have been burned into my brain. I don't think I'd like it the same now but there was a year when I thought it was the funniest shit in the world

at its best, venture bros is animation at its best: great voices, great music, great writing, great world-building, great animation. also the best and often most obscure callbacks in the biz.

whenever i read the word "toons" i still get the homestar voice in my head saying "toons...games...downloads...characters" etc. the exact cadence is etched in my brain

yes

Bagpuss was my highest Postgate offering at #6 - prob should have put them all a bit higher, since they're all unimprovable.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UfEc9J73BO4

Patrick Warburton is another voiceover hero

Would’ve voted Venture Bros if I liked enough animated shows to do a full ballot.

Major Proustian rush at being reminded again of the opening credits of the Lost Cities of Gold.

Unless or interested observers have strenuous objections, I'll resume the rollout on Monday, i.e TO BE CONTINUED.

BTW, I watched the first episode of Serial Experiments Lain, and is the rest as stringently unnarrative?

I'm at home with a hangover so it might've been fun to have some more results, but a lot of people will be out, and there's usually a general preference for rollouts on weekdays. So yeah, until Monday, then.

BTW, I watched the first episode of Serial Experiments Lain, and is the rest as stringently unnarrative?

― Johnny Grottan from the Skeks Pistols (Leee), Saturday, September 14, 2019 11:44 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

if anything, moreso

Unless or interested observers have strenuous objections, I'll resume the rollout on Monday, i.e TO BE CONTINUED.

― Johnny Grottan from the Skeks Pistols (Leee), Saturday, September 14, 2019 12:27 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

more time to talk about venture bros!

https://i.imgur.com/RjJi6o9.jpg

20. South Park
110 points, 8 votes, 0 firsts

ugh

fuck South Park

Thirded.

very formative show for me just by virtue of it coming out when i was in third grade. i insist the show was very good before it got topical

i didn't vote for it though so i have no horse in this particular race

I hear you but somewhere in between "it was very good once" and the latest "it's good again!" sounds it should've dissolved.

my first experience with it was all the edgy kids being really into it and ICP at the same time in 6th grade so those two things are permanently associated in my mind

it was weird, vulgar, and stupid in a way that seemed to extend beyond even mtv's animated shows, i preferred when it lived in that universe to when it started talking at me. it is also probably responsible for me purchasing disintegration

some of the topical stuff holds up in memory (they took our jobs) but fuck if i'm going back

something i still regularly lol over: towley playing "funkytown" on the keypad

it was immensely important in its moment and i laughed myself sick seeing the movie in theaters when i was in college but i haven't watched an episode in probably a decade and that's okay and here's why

south park was excellent for about 5 seasons (5-10), good for 12 (2-13), and only went up its own ass when the '7 days to air' method became their m.o.

Doubters/haters, go watch this past season. Some of the most astute satire currently being produced.

watched the last season and while it was clever, it wasn't laugh-out-loud funny anymore

the "two princes" hat gag from last season killed me

lol true i forgot about that

'red hot catholic love,' 'awesom-o,' 'fun times with weapons,' 'make love, not warcraft,' 'chef goes nanners,' still some of the funniest eps in tv history.

oh god yeah "awesom-o" is so good

and that christian rock episode, omg

I voted for this. It's still great. Last season was amazing

placed in my top ten, screw the haters i'm going home.

also loved the recent (well, 2010 or so) lovecraftian origin story for kenny's numerous deaths

yeah it's dawning on me that i haven't watched a new episode of it since college 10+ years ago and it was already a legacy show at that point

actually i haven't watched this in nearly TWO decades holy shit i got old

You should go watch 'You're Getting Old'

Screw this, I've got to go watch some Postgate to wash this rancid taste out of my mouth.

when stone and parker put their all into an episode, it still kicks ass. but you can usually tell these days which episodes were mostly made at 2am the day before airing.

the show has def had it's moments ("Awesome-o" is a good example) but it's all buried under a bunch of hideous bullshit.

In a weird way the show is the logical extension of the Simpsons freed from the strictures of broadcast television and James L. Brooks' sacharrine instincts - it just ramped up that approach and then mashed it up with the 4chan-curdled politics of its creators

last episode i remember was the manatees that write family guy.
btw if family guy places, i am going to burn this website down.

Comedy Central eventually aired the episode with a black title card during the Muhammad sequence, censoring the depiction. While the episode's censorship did attract headlines, it received more attention for its lampooning of Family Guy.

if family guy places

come on

i chose a screen grab from the Fishsticks episode because i thought it was one of the goddamn funniest things i'd seen in a long time.

the 4chan-curdled politics of its creators

maybe 4chan is south park-curdled?

sure, I just wanted to draw the connection

I have never seen the next one but I'm willing to stake my life that it's a nice aperitif compared to #20.

https://i.imgur.com/rMPP8Vs.jpg

19. Steven Universe
124 points, 6 votes, 2 firsts

btw if family guy places, i am going to burn this website down.

https://static.businessinsider.com/image/59ad194b2488496a224ea845-750.jpg

it is also probably responsible for me purchasing disintegration

Only good thing to ever have come out of it (and nothing to sneeze at, I admit)

steven universe is great

i've only watched about 15 episodes of steven universe which i didn't think was enough to really vote for it but it is fantastic

The Tom Scharpling connection pretty much guarantees that I will become a fan whenever I finally get to see the show.

Oh going back to Paranoia Agent -- I'm only two episodes in, but I can confidently say that the opening credits is great. Hope that the rest of the series lives up to them!

for those who don't know, the late Satoshi Kon (creator on Paranoia Agent) is also responsible for the outrageously good manga films Millennium Actress, Paprika, Tokyo Godfathers and Perfect Blue.

Steven Universe is wonderful I want everyone to watch it

Steven Universe was my #1 vote. It's amazing how far we've come in that a mainstream US kids' channel can produce such a wonderfully queer, colourful, innovative show that's at the same time a gripping sci-fi yarn, a goofy small-town comedy and a heartfelt musical! I understand the critique towards its über-pacifist stance, where any bad guy can be made to understand the flaws in her actions, and conflicts can be solved by talking, but they're pretty good at setting up those redemption arcs, so it feels earned. And since it still is a kids' show too, IMO that's a pretty good message all in all.

One of my favorite things about it is it is literally set on the Delaware shore, where I went for beach trips many many times.

https://i.imgur.com/LGkfzJM.jpg

18. Animaniacs
124 points, 9 votes, 0 firsts

great show that didn't diminish at all any time i've revisited it

being rebooted this year i think!

every single song from this show is lodged in my brain forever

classic stuff

voted for it very highly!

Come join the Warner brothers
And the Warner sister, Dot!
Just for fun we run around the Warner movie lot
They lock us in the tower
Whenever we get caught
But we break loose and then vamoose
and now you know the plot

pinky & the brain was the best, prob too late for it to place at this point.

wow can't believe we're down to 18 and so much of my ballot still has yet to place

loved animanaics - highest rated show from my youth on my ballot (if you don't include daria which also i'd have to think places??? but maybe i don't know ilx as well as i think i do????)

i watched maybe 10 Steven Universe episodes when this poll first started and i just could not get into it. i didn't connect with any characters, didn't give a shit about any of the emergency d'jours, the writing kind of annoyed me. it felt like a cheap knock off of Adventure Time (i know it was some of the same people). seems to be widely loved here and with some of my irl friends, but i just can't get into it.

many xposts

the emergency of the day/monster of the week gives way in…relatively short order to the overarching plot of the series, which is Good

if you didn't connect to any of the characters idk I guess you might be straight, which isn't your fault, some people are just straight

cookie cat!
HE LEFT HIS FAMILY BEHIND ;_;

^^^ when this happened in the first episode of steven universe i knew it was for me. also when lion appeared

Steven Universe is kinda hard to sell in that the big, series-defining story arc only kicks in the middle of the first season. I loved it right from the start, but I can understand how the first bunch of episodes might feel flimsy to some people. Unless you really hate its style, I would recommend trying to stick it to the season 1 finale. At that point you're either hooked, or if you're not, SU is not for you.

some of the topical stuff holds up in memory (they took our jobs) but fuck if i'm going back

I dropped back in the South Park for the first time in 15+ years for the anti-Amazon 2-parter last year, and they seem to be weathering their senescence 900,232x better than The Simpsons

That's not exactly a ringing endorsement though.

i wanted to say about steven universe that while it is a very queer identity positive show w/ great messaging about not bullying and stuff like that - i normally find that kind of wholesome messaging stuff allergic and the show is still beloved to me. so don't let that turn you off.

It kind of blows my mind that they've coexisted for the majority of the time The Simpsons have been on, but that's probably due to my having viewed the first eight seasons and then catching progressively fewer episodes until I got to the point I've seen one new one in maybe.. fifteen years?

Simpsons is very likely to win and I voted for it very high, but it's true that I am much more likely to dip in to South Park in 2019.

Think I will check out Steven Universe even though I am boringly straight.

great world building, love the setting (the beach town, and the whole crystal mythology) the characters are so sweet and their struggles are generally v relatable, and when the show starts getting weird it's done in a really compelling and consistent way that develops the ideas of the show in a bright + clear way. we finished the last few episodes last week (we haven't seen the movie yet) and it gave me a lot to think about. i do agree that sometimes the "anyone even the prime antagonist can be talked out of being evil" to be a little optimistic and with the final antagonist (WD) i do feel it was rushed and not totally earned. but in general it's such a winsome earnest i do love it. keep beach city weird!

we're going to really tip the hand and show our demographic if the depressed horse show ranks highly

ha wait till the other show ilxors are disgusted by places <3

I am ashamed to admit I enjoy the depressed horse show and would gladly watch another season

we're going to really tip the hand and show our demographic if the depressed horse show ranks highly

― untuned mass damper (mh), Monday, September 16, 2019 2:46 PM (fifty-five seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

mostly zebras here, tho i spot the occasional jackass

Family Guy is either much higher or much lower than I expected

My guess is family guy didn’t placr

i liked depressed horse show about as much as i liked the hormonal kids show – which, aside from being tragically straight, I'm not sure what it says about my demographics.

Loads of my friends love the depressed horse show and I want to watch it, but I have a sneaking suspicion that I won't actually be that into it. Whereas I am fairly sure that if I ever get round to Steven Universe I will dig it.

(I voted for Animaniacs btw)

If Family Guy places I will rage.

the depressed horse show is not for me, a non depressed non horse

I'm a deeply depressed non-horse, so I guess I'll like half of it?

I loved Animaniacs so much

Some Bojack Horsemen elements are definitely horrible, but the occasional dumb jokes have stuck with me. The scene where he's trying to give an alias, but is too constantly lazy/hungover to come up with anything, and ends up saying "Bojack... Horsmack?" still makes me giggle

the depressed horse is all of us, also those who don't realise they are depressed horses yet

the depressed horse show is not for me, a non depressed non horse

― ciderpress, Monday, September 16, 2019 12:53 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

oooh look at the non depressed person

i'm more of a tangled fog of pulsating yearning in the shape of a woman, myself.

rt

"Bojack... Horsmack?"

did you say your name was 'chadwick boseman'?

The thing about Bojack is that it's really clever and funny, to the point that it is really 2 shows in one. The endless stream of anthropomorphized animal jokes in the background and scene transitions hit more often than they miss. And Amy Sedaris constantly reciting intricate tongue twisters! But you have to get with the depressed stuff in order to be a fan, I think. And it has definitely felt for the last few seasons like they want to move the characters and plot forward, but largely fail to do so.

last bad depressive episode I mainly just watched Roy Andersson films, don't know if I could face watching them now, should I watch the horse cartoon y/n?

That's not exactly a ringing endorsement though.

While I personally have no desire to bother watching again this decade, it was funny, sharp, and teaching kids a strong lesson about rapacious capitalism. I figure South Park's demographic has always been 12-22 year olds, and based on that two-ep taste they're still making something worthwhile for those viewers. Any time I've seen two minutes of Simpsons in the last 17 years, I can't tell who would enjoy it at all.

Depressed horse show is great, but I'm several seasons behind bcz I still prefer my Hanawalt on paper.

my post was not meant to be serious, i've watched the first season of bojack and it's alright

lol sorry about that ciderpress

https://i.imgur.com/GZIzByh.jpg

17. Cowboy Bebop
127 points, 7 votes, 0 firsts

definitely need to rewatch bebop now that i'm deeper on anime, i suspect it holds up great

Never caught on for me when I watched it (3 or so years ago).

i rented the first dvd around 2002 and the story seemed to be an excuse for the action scenes. didn't continue.

let's jam

TOO LOW
fuckin' love me some space cowboy

also (nearly in-)arguably the best soundtrack in television cartoon history
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL65E33789AA7052BC

the entire first couple years of the Adult Swim programming block were such a gift

the fact they were able to license Cowboy Bebop, and get Mission Hill after it was ditched by the WB, was just icing on the cake

the best adult swim show is still to come

i would strongly recommend anyone who wrote this off give it another spin; it's got its flaws but for animated sci-fi noir it is upper echelon

the soundtrack is so perfect

I couldn't get into Bebop first time around, then it suddenly clicked years later when I randomly caught an episode marathon on TV. I basically love it all now.

I'm slightly surprised by Animaniacs' high placing. No complaints though!

Cowboy Bebop will be the highest placing non-USA show, yes?

no

fingers x'd for Pat & Mat

For non-US shows, I'm presuming The Adventures of Tintin must still place.

there's still an anime to place - probably in the top 3

gotta catch em all

just kidding

Oh yeah, I know which anime you mean.

I tried to watch it years ago, but couldn't get into tone of the series at all... Maybe I'll retry it one of these days, now that it's all on Netflix.

also unless i miscounted including the simpsons at least 4 more Fox animated shows?

Can't believe I forgot to vote for the Pokemon theme tune in the side poll. I like the cartoon but never got into it properly enough to vote for it (having said that, I could probably still do the whole Team Rocket spiel off the top of my head).

i also forgot to vote for the pokemon theme, dammit

Omg I forgot to vote for Pokemon

you did not catch them all

we failed to pokemon go to the polls

We going down to 11?

xp Relatedly, congrats Ash Ketchum for finally winning the Pokemon League.

i heard it's not a legit championship don't @ me

They're waiting on the results of the b sample is what I've heard.

https://i.imgur.com/bUPph2i.jpg

16. SpongeBob SquarePants
128 points, 9 votes, 0 firsts

i remember watching the first episode of this, as a kid, thinking i had aged out of nicktoons. then i kept with it and i figured out i was wrong

every gag involving them realizing they live underwater is excellent but my fave is when they realize it and the campfire they've been sitting around immediately goes out

oh it's the show from the memes

Another example of knowing more about cultural references shooting off of it than knowing the actual show; i've never seen one full episode.

spongebob is genuinely funny and it deserves to be the cultural touchstone that it became.

though it could never have been #1 because of smitty werbenjagermanjensen. he was #1.

https://i.imgur.com/1BPpQXG.jpg

15. Avatar: The Last Airbender
133 points, 6 votes, 2 firsts

SpongeBob may have entered permanent child culture

AtLA is the best American shonen-style show.

ok this must be the one Mordy thought would be top 3 right? all America from here on out?

oh this is American lol

lj there's this very popular anime series that was recently added to netflix

There's a very big non-US show that's still to come. We talked about it a lot in the noms thread.

xpost ha

np it's clearly anime influenced, and what's additionally exceptional about it (for an American production) is that it's set in an Asian world, with a mythos based on real-life Asian analogues, with people and civilizations of various Asian descent.

Also it is the greatest show, only 6 votes????

I thought Avatar was supposed to be bad, or was that just the film version?

(By which I do mean the Avatar the Last Airbender film, and not the film Avatar)

xps

oh yeah

yeah

that one

ok

itt i realized y'all are much younger than me

i was a few years 'too old' for spongebob but i watched the heck out of the first couple seasons anyway, it was clearly a step above everything else on non-adult-swim cartoon network at the time

and yeah it's the main cultural touchstone cartoon-wise for like everyone whos in their 20s now

dude it was a nicktoon!

The Last Airbender film by Shyamalan is by all accounts an abomination, especially as it cast a bunch of white actors as the heroes while leaving the villains as Asians.

But the source cartoon is all the way on the other end of the spectrum.

oh right it was nick whoops

trying to think now of what cartoon network's flagship show was in 2001-2

powerpuff girls, maybe?

I sorted this by date, and the only one I've heard of that debuted in 2001 was Samurai Jack: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_programs_broadcast_by_Cartoon_Network#Animated_series

im 35 and watched spongebob when it came out because i was a stoner doofus and like 15

The Last Airbender film by Shyamalan is by all accounts an abomination, especially as it cast a bunch of white actors as the heroes while leaving the villains as Asians.

But the source cartoon is all the way on the other end of the spectrum.

― Johnny Grottan from the Skeks Pistols (Leee)

Ahhhh, I see. I forgot it was Shyamalan, so unlikely to be good from the start. I know this is a slightly different case, but it irks me a lot when US/UK productions take an Asian product and just make the main characters white, leaving the setting and minor/bad characters Asian. It seems like it would actually be less whitewashing to move the whole thing to the US, rather than simultaneously rejecting and fetishising the origin of the story. Does this make sense? It's like "yeah, you're great window dressing but of course we can't allow you to be fully rounded autonomous characters".

Like if The Departed was set in HK but still starred Leo, yeah, I can see that.

So, while we're on the subject of problematics...

https://i.imgur.com/JwSGuYn.jpg

14. Ren & Stimpy Show, The
141 points, 8 votes, 0 firsts

Avatar truly is brilliant; it was pretty interesting and absorbing from the beginning, but by the midway point of Season 2 I was genuinely gobsmacked. I honestly couldn't believe a Nickelodeon kid's show could be so damn good.

Ren and Stimpy was never my cup of tea, sadly; I genuinely can't see what's great about it. I'm from the cartoon-geek generation that mostly knows John K as that guy who's always complaining about other people's cartoons on his blog.

R&S = amazing show, terrible man.

I was specifically thinking of films like The Grudge above - I get that with Japanese ghost stories there are often quite specific types of ghost, but I found it really gross that they just decided to go ahead and stick some white protagonists in Japan getting menaced by Japanese ghosts.

along with being a terrible human being, john k was probably the most ridiculous cult leader ever -- just post after post trying to convince his followers of the genius of the guy who did the background designs on "yogi bear."

I thought Avatar would place in the top ten, it was my #1. It has basically everything I want in an animated TV show: beautiful, imaginative world, memorable characters, fantastic story that is incredibly well-paced across the 3 seasons, and it's genuinely funny for a kid's show. It culminates in one of the best endings to any show ever. I saw it in my late twenties, well after my peak nostalgia years, much older than the intended viewer age, but it's such a gem. I rewatched it last year and it's still one of my favorite shows of all time

I've never seen any R&S beyond the clip that was on The Simpsons, so let me wax more about ATLA.

* Its sense of realpolitik is well thought out -- not just for a kids' show, but any TV series.
* It humanizes all of its main characters, including (most) its antagonists, and gives them real psychologies.
* It's hilarious.
* It actively critiques toxic masculinity.
* Uncle Iroh is the best character ever.
* CABBAGES.

xp Vinnie OTM

https://i.imgur.com/c54TTmC.jpg

13. Batman: The Animated Series
144 points, 10 votes, 0 firsts

- Mark Hamill's portrayal of the Joker = best.
- Created Harley.
- Gave all non-Joker rogues pathos.
- Dr. Freeze was designed by Mike Mignola!
- Ground zero for DCAU. (Also led directly to the best Batman film.)

Am I missing anything?

I very nearly gave R&S my 1st, but held off because Fuck U JOhn K :(

I voted for BTAS and love it, but it has the big downside of having some of the worst animation yet on this list.

What's your best Batman film Leee?

Mask of the Phantasm!

Kevin Conroy! Efraim Zimbalist Jr.! Dana Delany!

The animation does get dodgy (it's better when it becomes The Adventures of Batman & Robin), but I think that's a consequence of being an early '90s cartoon.

https://i.imgur.com/BMbhPqI.jpg

12. King of the Hill
149 points, 12 votes, 0 firsts

Yup

Clayface eps are the peak imo

Yep.

One of the Clayface episodes gave me nightmares as a kid

still my favorite animated sitcom by a mile

i honestly expected this one to go in the top 10.

I tried out the "So is he Chinese or Japanese?" line once on ILX and nobody got the reference, which is kind of indicative.

y'all i started watching avatar and it is so fuckin sick

https://i.imgur.com/RmXwnMR.jpg

11. Space Ghost Coast to Coast
151 points, 10 votes, 0 firsts

king of the hill one of the best shows ever

oh hell yeah space ghost

that is old kentucky shark, and he has been there

Dont think I even voted for Space Ghost! I like it fine, but found it a bit ... I dunno, it'd sag sometimes? Depended who the guest was I spose. Preferred Brak Show.

season 7 is when it goes full tilt, williams street weirdness perfection

cf. "kentucky nightmare," which i am watching now and every part of which is hilarious

old kentucky shark episode was one of the best for sure

a shark on whiskey is mighty risky
a shark on beer is a beer engineer

Is Space Ghost an Adult Swim show? We never really got those over here

cartoon network originally but it migrated to adult swim for its last seasons

i thought king of the hill was too 90s-generic-sitcom, kind of like grace under fire as a cartoon. i hear that fox meddled with mike judge's conception of the show, cutting out more political stuff.

Monsignor Martinez is the greatest show within a show in TV history

VAYA

CON DIOS

I could never really get into KOTH. It was very very... American.

Unlike the Simpsons.

Haha North American I guess

Oh shit nm for some dumb ass reason I thought you were talking about kids in the hall, forgot what thread I was in

y'all i started watching avatar and it is so fuckin sick

One of the only criticisms of the show I can make is that early S1 episodes after the pilot are not as tightly written or integrated into the overall plot, so if you like it that early, you're in for a ride, cause it gets much better

Sorry Trayce, I didn’t mean to be truculent!

Ha its all good! Maybe its because its more a southern/hick thing? I dunno, that seems dumb cos we have people like that here too. I just didnt get into it anyway.

The Simpsons deliberately obscured the state Springfield resided in, whereas KotH was much more specific. Trayce otm.

'flipmode' is my favorite space ghost ep, the one with busta rhymes

really inventive show in those last few seasons after it moved to adult swim

great visual for space ghost, kudos

also even if pamela adlon wins an oscar, a tony, the indy 500 and the presidency, this will _still_ be the thing I remember her for forever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u4oXXL1a5A

The episode where Chuck Mangione hides from his ridiculous contract with Mega Lo Mart (he had to appear at every store opening, not realizing they'd be opening a gazillion stores) by hiding in a Mega Lo Mart is still one of my faves

There are too many great moments to mention, but it's a show that successfully showed the dynamic between kids and that between adults separately while being able to blend the two realms.

Insanely good voice cast, too! Boomhauer always otm

guessing beavis and butthead is out, but this story crosses both animated worlds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd_rty0ovgQ

I hope Beavis & Butthead isn't out. Like Beck's early work, my initial opinion of 'this is really effing stupid' swung all the way to 'oh no wait, this is actually effing genius' once I gave it a fair shake.

beavis & butthead owns but i highly doubt it'd place above king of the hill

I had a look earlier at my ballot earlier, to post something about the ones who won't make it, and realised that I have no idea what's in and out, I can only think of four or five that are to come - Beavis and Butthead wasn't on the list, but now that you mention it, it makes a lot of sense.

Can we get a recap of what's placed going into the Top 10?

11. Space Ghost Coast to Coast
12. King of the Hill
13. Batman: The Animated Series
14. Ren & Stimpy Show, The
15. Avatar: The Last Airbender
16. SpongeBob SquarePants
17. Cowboy Bebop
18. Animaniacs
19. Steven Universe
20. South Park
21. Aeon Flux
22. Danger Mouse (1981-1992)
23. Archer
24. FLCL (original run)
25. Bagpuss
26. Venture Bros., The
27. Homestar Runner (inclusive of Strong Bad Emails)
28. Gravity Falls
29. Legend of Korra, The
30. Over the Garden Wall
31. Big Mouth
32. Paranoia Agent
33. Rocky and Bullwinkle and Friends, The Adventures of
34. Pingu
35. Garfield and Friends
36. Powerpuff Girls, The
37. Rex the Runt
38. Hilda
39. Clangers (1969-1972)
40. Science Ninja Team Gatchaman (including Battle of the Planets and G-Force: Guardians of Space)
41. Metalocalypse
42. Aqua Teen Hunger Force
43. Samurai Jack
44. Justice League Unlimited
45. Trap Door, The
46. Wacky Races (1968-1969)
47. Downtown
48. Bee and Puppycat
49. Harvey Birdman: Attorney at Law
50. Maxx, The

51. Hey Arnold!
52. Ivor the Engine
53. Dr. Katz, Professional Therapist
54. Sealab 2021
55. Rocko's Modern Life
56. DuckTales (1987-1990)
57. Ulysses 31
58. X-Men (Fox Kids, 1992-1997)
59. Magic Roundabout, The (1965-1977)
60. She-Ra and the Princesses of Power
61. Liquid Television
62T. Gumby
62T. Xavier: Renegade Angel
64. Sailor Moon
65. Serial Experiments Lain
66. Doug (Nickelodeon and ABC)
67. Mysterious Cities of Gold, The
68. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (1987-1996)
69. Hey Dugee
70. Mr Benn
71. Death Note
72T. Willo the Wisp
72T. Justice League
74. Astro Boy (1980-1981)
75. Town Called Panic, A
76. Rugrats
77. Critic, The

I didn't vote in this, but the idea that Rocky & Bullwinkle is not a top 20 all-time cartoon is baffling to me.

then you should've voted!!

I should start a lot of sock accounts!

no dont

A) REALLY? What was good about it that I'm forgetting?

B) Yeah fair enough, I'm personally amazed at Samurai Jack at 43 instead of at least 30 places higher.

(Both those in response to the same Eliza post, to be clear)

"Free antihistamines? that's nothing to sneeze at!"

"I don't get it"

"Thousands won't!"

classic

Thanks Thermo Thinwall!

beavis and butthead has gotta be in the top 10, surprised it beat koth

assuming Bob's Burgers made the top 10 as well, as it should be.

https://i.imgur.com/ihPbMzz.jpg

10. Home Movies
172 points, 8 votes, 1 firsts

is this streaming anywhere? been meaning to watch

not the best way to experience it, but: https://www.adultswim.com/videos/home-movies
it's a wonderful show but it's cumulative and it's easy to dismiss it early on. Give it time.

i do kind of want to rewatch it. Brendan small is sort of a genius.

Probably the biggest disparity between quality of the product on the whole vs. quality of animation of any of the results. Took me a looooong while to get past the visual 'style', but I'm mighty glad I did.

perfect show. the music alone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_dFpKZo54w

Don’t put marbles in your nose
Put them in there do not put them in there

hmm i should probably check out home movies. looks like the first season is in squigglevision and the other ones just look like shit?

yep that is the case (imo it looks better without squigglevision)

The Home Movies recording booth seems like it must've been one of the most joyous spaces on earth.

a great deal of the first season is almost completely improvised iirc

coach mcguirk remains the greatest jon benjamin role imo

https://i.imgur.com/hndmz4I.jpg

9. Daria
176 points, 10 votes, 1 firsts

lol Leee made it through the blackout

loved this show in middle school (when it was running), loved this show in high school (as it ended), loved this show in college (watching .avis ripped from noggin lol), love this show now

Cha-cha-cha.

I couldn't get into it back in the day, for some reason. Probably should give it another shot, huh.

33. Rocky and Bullwinkle and Friends, The Adventures of

you maniacs

The Daria I've seen (gatecrashing tt's viewing parties-of-one) seems pretty great

so relieved daria made it and top 10 nonetheless. feels like such an ur-text for the sensibilities of our day.

dunno why i said nonetheless when i meant even

i never watched this and was shocked when i saw it come in this high.
guess i've been missing out all these years?!

only 8 spots left either moral orel did way better than i expected or somehow inexplicably got 78'd

if it did finish final 8 i think i know everything left to place and no surprises left except the order of them

theres no way it placed above the williams street shows, i think you're overestimating its reach compared to those

I reckon some classic from the archives like Peanuts or Tom & Jerry could sneak in

not the best way to experience it, but: https://www.adultswim.com/videos/home-movies
it's a wonderful show but it's cumulative and it's easy to dismiss it early on. Give it time.

― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, September 17, 2019 12:03 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

was hoping it wasn't on adult swim dot com, lol. will still give it a shot

Well at the very least, unlike many of the more recent AS shows it has been released in a physical format which you should probably just go ahead and buy. You'll be glad you did.

I reckon some classic from the archives like Peanuts or Tom & Jerry could sneak in

― imago, Tuesday, September 17, 2019 12:28 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Neither Peanuts specials and Tom & Jerry shorts were deemed eligible

maybe it really is Moral Orel then

although given how the voting has gone, the darker AS material hasn't really been favoured so

If I were gonna vote for one of the edgy AS shows it would've been 12 Oz Mouse, which I only saw a couple episodes of but nevertheless haunts me

i didnt have a TV while i was in college which is when AS went through the edgy phase

now there's an animation quality/content disparity xp

i did like what little i saw of superjail though that was long ago

obv legend of the galactic heroes is #1 overall after all ilx had time to binge watch all 110 episodes of the epic political space opera

doubt i'd like it anymore tbh

i've deprioritized anything longer than 40 episodes in my anime catch-up but i look forward to watching LoGH someday

superjail was something i diced with voting for as it was often enjoyable and often funny and had some killer (lol) episodes...ultimately just a bit too unpleasant but i had Xavier at #2 so clearly there's room in my heart for the edge -_-

will also say that superjail's animation was sick in all senses

i thought for sure xavier would be yr #1

i chose postgate, i chose life etc

my top 3 still to come <3

Xavier makes my fucking brain hurt. It's grate.

it's so weird and off-putting. i did enjoy "experiencing" it but i didn't vote for anything that made my brain hurt.

the groenig and mordy show xps

xavier s2 is the most sustained obnoxious chaos any godforsaken surrealist has devised, it is hateful and magnificent shit, everyone must be made to endure it

https://i.imgur.com/aJ2I87m.jpg

8. Beavis and Butt-Head
176 points, 11 votes, 2 firsts

blows my mind these two finished above KoTH.

ah right, we thought this might not have made it but I guess we undervalued ilx's core constituency of american music nerds who grew up in the 1990s

i like B&B a lot but not on the same level as the best KotH

blows my mind these two finished above KoTH.

― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, September 17, 2019 9:58 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

You cannot be serious... Not if you factor in ILX is more than the US. B&B's appeal was worldwide, KotH - though great - quintessential American.

I was going to post a celebratory gif for this placing, but you know what it is

KOTH was basically a very good sitcom that happened to be animated. B&B was goddamn iconic. I'd go over to my best friend's house and we had to sneak-watch it bc I didn't have cable and his mom told him it was verboten.

Beavis and Butthead was super funny to watch as a teenager... I've tried to watch King of the Hill a couple of times, but it just wasn't for me; I guess the Americanness of it had something to do with it, but mostly it was simply the tone of humour that I didn't war m up to.

Daria is awesome, one of those cases where the spinoff surpasses the original.

a friend copied mpegs of the original b&b episodes and they were even better than I remembered. I like koth a lot, but yes, agreed with evol j.

I've never seen Beavis & Butthead

ah right, we thought this might not have made it but I guess we undervalued ilx's core constituency of american music nerds who grew up in the 1990s

― imago, Tuesday, September 17, 2019 12:58 PM (ten minutes ago)

no kiddin' lol

also I mistyped groening as groenig upthread probably because i wanted it to rhyme better, sorry folks, must have been a jarring moment for you all

Come on, it's not just American music nerds... MTV Europe was showing B&B too, and it was huge in here as well. It's not like the characters are or the humour are particularly unrelatable to non-Gringos, their appeal is pretty universal.

Tuomas I hate to break it to you but you are also a gringo

i never saw B&BH either, was it all fart jokes and shrill sophomoric music snobbery or is that all a very unfair assumption

I was gonna post "Mike Judge has never created a bad TV show" but checked and there's something called The Goode Family which looks dire

Daria >>> b&b the movie (ineligable) >>> b&b the show that spawned daria

That said I still like b&b and also forgot to vote even though I half started making a ballot, so my bad.

No, I'm not. Gringo = someone from United States. Extranjero = foreigner.

xxxpost

i never saw B&BH either, was it all fart jokes and shrill sophomoric music snobbery or is that all a very unfair assumption

― imago, Tuesday, September 17, 2019 10:16 PM (thirty-one seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is simply astonishing tbh. You never saw it?!

not once :/

late cut from tt's ballot iirc so it has her recommendation too

Goode Family wasn't great, but it had its moments.

I've tried to watch King of the Hill a couple of times, but it just wasn't for me

with all due respect for taste being a personal thing I FPed you for this and i'll probably do it again in a minute or two

I wouldn't say I understand "gringo" to mean "yanqui" but rather any non-hispanic person