Oscars 2020

Supporting Actress frontrunner Laura Dern (“Marriage Story”) and her “Blue Velvet” costars Isabella Rossellini and Kyle MacLachlan lauded their director Lynch. “You have to let his quiet guide you,” said Rossellini. “He tries to capture the mysteries of our emotions, passions, and our lives.” Dern recalled first meeting with MacLachlan and Lynch, who doodled cartoons in ketchup at Bob’s Big Boy, and the first of many night shoots as Lynch blared Shostakovich over loudspeakers. Enigmatic to the end, Lynch took the stage to say only: “To the Academy and everyone who helped me along the way, thanks.” Turning to his Oscar, he added: “You have a very nice face. Good night.”

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/10/governors-awards-stars-honorary-oscars-1202185437/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqxwoNUZZNM&fbclid=IwAR2t6iaJILxQBnCrKQ6Wjr6sOKGMyAHTOMMQAtSolZE3n7duFcu5Fny4-8g

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEW5vZ9hZMg

Parasite?

http://thefilmexperience.net/best-picture/

I've gotten two different JoJo Rabbit packages in as many days. What a goddamn push.

https://www.ocregister.com/wp-content/uploads/migration/min/minm4n-b781069452z.120130222193305000gie1cddnv.1.jpg?w=620

I don't keep up with Oscar minutiae as much as I used to, but I'm surprised that KNIVES OUT isn't on any of Nathaniel's Best Picture tiers. It's a critically acclaimed box-office hit that's not just a fun genre movie but also has some sociopolitical currency.

I won't believe Parasite in the top categories until nominations morning.

FINALLY!

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/race/academy-favoring-consolidation-sound-editing-sound-mixing-oscars-1259773

Now, get to work consolidating best actor & best actress, and best supporting actor and best supporting actress.

lol, men would never win again.

Knives Out looks like a sliiiightly hipper Murder By Death.

I still can’t believe there’s not a Best Trailer or a Best Opening Credits.

lol 1917 to go the distance

ideal Hollywood Foreign Press fare

foreign hoes

Green Book + war

What the world absolutely wanted was another Sam Mendes Oscar juggernaut in a year that ends with "9"

1917 is absolutely better than American Beauty, at least.

to be followed by a presidential election that goes to the Supreme Court

xp

i'm on the Stop T*r*ntino bandwagon

You're on the Start Scorsese bandwagon, really.

possibly not even in my top 5 of the year

but too good for the Oscars, as is Marriage Story

1917 is absolutely better than American Beauty, at least.

― temporarily embarrassed thousandaire (Eric H.),

"A C+ means you don't have to retake the course," I tell students.

No host, again.

seeing new cw is 1917 and Parasite are ahead of the pack for BP, Tarantella dark horse. Netflix films dismissed.

I feel like an idiot for not thinking 1917 would win the whole time.

Well, and for many other reasons.

I've a colleague who's insisted since mid December that 1917 is exactly the kind of colorless-in-every-sense BP winner that'll get Academy voters excited (he hates 1917).

colleague otm

Had I actually watched The Irishman in mid-December, when I saw 1917, I might have been more likely to agree with that take.

I think it's fine, but I don't trust anyone who thinks they really understood the horror of what is going on in that story. The technique limits the film so much.

and 1917?

idg why anyone wants to see 1917

well, it's Important and not that bloody and "adult," hence a Friday night movie before dinner.

a WWI battlefield film that's not that bloody... okay

fuckin Sam Mendes, I hate that guy

you can say that (legitimately) about The King's Speech, Argo, Green Book, etc.

idg why anyone wants to see 1917

― Οὖτις, Friday, January 10, 2020 1:05 PM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

They want to see what became of the beloved characters from the smash hit 1916, a-doy

more like sham mendes imo

the only Mendes I don't wanna see in bathing suit shots

Not bloody? There are literally corpses everywhere in the first 15 minutes.

not "that" bloody, I said, and the CGI is a wonderful cauterizer, isn't it

my son seems to want to see 1917; he also really liked Dunkirk so I think maybe he just likes period war films or something out of the blue.

show him Saving Pvt Ryan

yeah I should watch that myself actually.

then show him that other great period war movie, Starship Troopers

paths of glory

i discovered the other day that the only mayor pete guy i know is also the only academy voter i know

I have a great idea for a drone strike

Come and See is getting a theatrical release this year. That's good for boys of all ages.

Voter Pete.

Finally watched the Farewell and Awkwafina seems likely to win best actress for this, but what do I know.

lol yeah no

If the Oscars follow the Golden Globes as slavishly this year as they did last, it’ll either be Awkwafina or Zellweger. My money’s on the latter.

I know not a single critic excited about Zellweger or 1917 but they ended up as finalists in my film critics circle.

It's as if the point is not to get excited.

Excitement is bad for many critics' blood.

Green Book winning last year, and the Best Actor trophy being the Best Celebrity Imitation award more often than not in recent years, have trained me to expect no surprises this year. I fully expect Sam Mendes, Taron Egerton and Rene Zellweger to go home happy on Oscar night.

agree with best actor being the 'celebrity imitation award' although best actress is maybe as bad - The Iron Lady, Walk the Line, La Vie en Rose, The Queen

from what I've read the consensus prediction this year seems to be that Joaquin Phoenix will win best actor

he was pretty good, whatever you think of the movie.

Awkwafina may not even get nominated. She was passed over by the SAG Awards, which lately tends to be the best Oscar predictor. On the other hand, I'd say only Zellweger and ScarJo are locks.

Am I a bad person for only caring about the cinematography and production design noms?

Who the fuck is interested in watching another war movie. UGH. ( i discovered the existence of 1917 during the GG).

they just need to give a participation award to a war film and biopic every year.

yeah Phoenix will likely win

play the Joker, die or don't die, win an Oscar

*Nicholson barks at moon*

Phoenix was hammy but I'm hard pressed to think of many other standout performances by male actors in anything else this year; I'm sure De Niro will get nominated but he was frankly better in Joker too than he was in Irishman (I like Irishman but it's by-the-books Scorcese); Taron Egerton was extremely good though.

Antonio Banderas – Pain and Glory
Adam Sandler – Uncut Gems
Franz Rogowski - Transit

There!

Adam Driver will be nominated.

Predicting a total shutout for Uncut Gems.

Nathaniel Rogers is predicting it for original screenplay, though he seems to be in the minority.

Saw 1917 this afternoon. It's more entertaining and engrossing than Dunkirk or other recent war pics, but it didn't leave a strong impression either. Found myself suspending lots of disbelief as the poor lead gets pummeled in various ways. Was hoping to hear Daniel Powter's "Bad Day" during the ending credits.

Irishman "by-the-book" -- smdh

can't believe voters are on fire for Ford v Ferrari if Damon and Bale don't strip and fuck each other

Damon looked as worn as your grandma's handbag in F v. F

De Niro will get nominated but he was frankly better in Joker too

Frankly this is nonsense

Dolemite being nominated only for costumes wd be gruesomely typical

http://thefilmexperience.net/prediction-index/

good luck, America

well, Kathy Bates is in. So is ScarJo for her mystifying accent in Jojo Rabbit.

Honeyland nominated for foreign film

wow, I'd forgotten the Academy has the temerity to take a commercial break before the second round of nominations.

Is this the first time a doc has made it into that category?

Possibly?

Uncut Gems shut out of writing

de Niro snubbed... abominable

I thought it might be the first Macedonian nominee too, but apparently not (Before the Rain, 1994) xps

Banderas in, though.

Jonathan Pryce in too, ugh.

"Congratulations to these men" -- OUCH

lol that was a good one

Film Experience (and many others i'm sure) went 9/9 on BP nominees

Nominating Pacino but not DeNiro is some true smdh shit

MOST acting...

Joanna Hogg robbed

Oscar nominations 2020: ‘Joker’ leads with 11

I'd like very much for that to be the most depressing headline in 2020.

Tom Burke in The Souvenir robbed.
No Sandler!

Can't wait for the Anonymous Oscar Asshole column where he complains about not being able to tell the Parasite characters apart

Hogg and the film never stood a chance.

Sandler had more of a chance.

nothin for uncut gems at all?

No reason to watch this year. I'll be silently rooting for Parasite while I do something more enjoyable. Maybe I'll give the bathroom a scrub.

Come over. It needs work behind the toilet

I was, of course, joking about Souvenir, which the Academy has mostly never heard of

Pryce's first ever nod; i assumed he'd been nom'd for something else at some point.

Pryce rules but you couldn't pay me to watch that

I watched it free and am waiting for my singed nose hair to grow back.

Little Women gets noms for Best Pic, Actress, Adapted Screenplay and Supporting Actress but not Best Director?! This is now officially known as The 'Argo' Phenomenon.

Great to see Florence Pugh nominated, she was great every second she was on screen.

Funny, only a couple months ago I was thinking that they might not be total shit this year thanks to the above-average number of good-to-great movies of relative prominence kicking around. They actually managed to fuck it up way worse than I imagined possible.

and some critics will agree, congratulating the nods for Parasite and Joker

I'll be pleasantly surprised if Parasite takes anything except Foreign Film and maybe Screenplay.

Little Women gets noms for Best Pic, Actress, Adapted Screenplay and Supporting Actress but not Best Director?! This is now officially known as The 'Argo' Phenomenon.

Substitute Actor for Actress (x2) and this also describes Green Book.

gerwig deserved a nomination, and LW deserved a nom for editing

Obv. I was wrong about Awkwafina but IMO she deserved not only a nomination but to win. And that film should have gotten a best picture nod.

Disappointed but not surprised to see Last Black Man in San Francisco completely overlooked.

I'll be pleasantly surprised if Parasite takes anything except Foreign Film and maybe Screenplay.

xxp ah interesting, i'd forgotten Green Book.

Don't think LBMiSF had any precursor traction anywhere besides Best First Feature at the Independent Spirit Awards.

the best picture nominees this year are wild pic.twitter.com/UtyFO71nIq

— Lee Dawson (@LeeDawsonPT) January 13, 2020

Can't wait for the Anonymous Oscar Asshole column where he complains about not being able to tell the Parasite characters apart

Oh god, I can not wait for this either.

I haven't seen Joker yet, but beyond that I haven't seen anything I outright hated in the Best Picture category. Jojo Rabbit is obviously not good and 1917 one big empty void, but neither are exactly Vice or Dallas Buyers Club-level awful. Banderas, unlike Ethan Hawke, got in. Honeyland is a double feature nominee (doc/international). Parasite got nominations for production design, editing. There are actually good things this morning.

But it's the Oscars, and so obviously it sucks.

2020: Academy Award nominee Todd Phillips
2025: Academy Award nominee Raja Gosnell

I'm more pleased than I should be for the Banderas nod.

Same.

Beyond the headline outrage over all-male director slate and nearly all-white acting slates, I have settled on 1917 for screenplay as the most egregious nomination of the morning.

I was wrong about Awkwafina but IMO she deserved not only a nomination but to win. And that film should have gotten a best picture nod.

She was fine, but my main surprise is that the film was certainly inoffensively bland enough for Oscar. It was a nice, gossamer family tearjerker that didn't even want to jerk tears too much.

I wasn't at all a fan precisely because it hit too many beats familiar to Academy voters....

Based on the four movies that were Oscar's top draws this year, this isn't that Academy.

will u say the same when 1917 wins?

Pugh aside, the Best Supporting Actress nominees are fine/mediocre to horrid #J-Lo

given the precedent of Magic Mikes, you don't get nominated for playing an ecdysiast.

you've waited your adult life to use that word

Hardly! Just since I saw it applied to Gypsy.

I am putting a flaming bag of poop on the porch of everyone greeting Schoonmaker's nomination with "The Irishman wasn't edited."

(good to see the Tarentella pile passed over there, as his films fit that accusation much better)

Sandler at least is being a good sport in public:

Bad news: Sandman gets no love from the Academy.
Good news: Sandman can stop wearing suits.
Congrats to all my friends who got nominated, especially Mama. pic.twitter.com/o1Ep3E7GRB

— Adam Sandler (@AdamSandler) January 13, 2020

so if Tom Hanks was a supporting actor in the Mister Rogers movie, who was the lead? Daniel Tiger?

Matthew Rhys, for his role as the film's protagonist

will u say the same when 1917 wins?

It missed in editing, so no, I won't have to say that. Didn't remember Tarantino's movie also missed out there, tho, so I guess that leaves the following contenders with editing/directing/screenplay nominations:

The Irishman
Joker
Parasite

weak field of noms can be redeemed if parasite somehow wins BP

I'm all in on Joker taking it, now. (Could see maybe Bong stealing best director.)

Joker's going to be this generation's Gandhi. It's somehow going to win best costume design and then steamroll its way to 8 wins overall.

you know, *eventually* a film not nominated for editing will win. (like maybe now)

Portrait of a Lady on Fire was really screwed over, first by Centre national de la cinématographie, and then by the Academy (in cinematography, production design, and original score). Guess there's just one foreign language film allowed to leak into the other categories each year.

and Pain and Glory?

/Joker/'s going to be this generation's /Gandhi/. It's somehow going to win best costume design and then steamroll its way to 8 wins overall.

Guess there's just one foreign language film allowed to leak into the other categories each year.

Was Neon actively campaigning for Portrait of a Lady on Fire to the extent that it did for Parasite?

Nope. And they dropped Clemency like a lead balloon.

And will have the same long term impact on pop culture
― steer karma (gyac), Monday, January 13, 2020

Don't get your hopes up. In the film class I teach, I asked students last week which film most impressed them in the last month. Joker was the runaway favorite for male and female respondents.

you know, *eventually* a film not nominated for editing will win. (like maybe now)

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, January 13, 2020 11:31 AM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

birdman in 2014

i thought there was one recently, thx

yes i see "serious" comic-book villain films as the next Golden Age

come Armageddon, come

I mean 1917 missed in editing because it’s “one shot” right?

that's also why birdman missed, probably

yes lol, bcz theyre not

always a good idea to replace "best" with "most" in front of all the technical categories if you want to figure out where the academy's collective head is at.

/And will have the same long term impact on pop culture
― steer karma (gyac), Monday, January 13, 2020/

Don't get your hopes up. In the film class I teach, I asked students last week which film most impressed them in the last month. /Joker/ was the runaway favorite for male and female respondents.

xp: I missed "technical" in that post and was giggling at "Most Supporting Actor/Actress"

Long term though - how many of them will be talking or thinking about it in ten or even five years?
― steer karma (gyac),

How many will talk or think about Miami after the next hurricane?

this marks me as a huge doc nerd but - while the snubs of hustlers, book smart, diane, transit, bird of passion, aquarela, last black man in SF, and the farewell are all insane - not nominating Apollo 11 is a special level of somebody not paying attention.

moon program too white

In the film class I teach, I asked students last week which film most impressed them in the last month. Joker was the runaway favorite for male and female respondents.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, January 13, 2020 10:40 AM (thirteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Sorry to hear about your abrupt unemployment, Alfred, but I don't think anyone would take issue with your decision under those circumstances.

(and it was, tho i remember seeing mission controllers of color) xp

Most Short Film might be an interesting competition

the sheer technical achievement of making Apollo 11 merits its inclusion

https://soundandpicture.com/2019/06/apollo-11-sound/

“None of the footage from any part of the film had sound whatsoever,” says Eric Milano, Apollo 11 sound designer/Foley artist/re-recording mixer. “All of that had to be re-created or re-synced, such as the voices from Mission Control that were synced by hand. The moments where you see lip-sync were not because the camera had audio. It’s because ‘space nerd’ Ben Feist spent a lot of time digitizing and organizing the Mission Control audio while developing a custom algorithm to remove tape wow and flutter from all 11,000 hours. And Stephen Slater spent a lot of time syncing that to picture.”

most acting is def a thing, tho i liked Pacino cuz playing Hoffa is no time for subtlety

oh can they plz boot Elton and his doppelganger off the show now?

now there's a candidate for Most Acting

Oscar Nomination Correction pic.twitter.com/ruGn8fEJPC

— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) January 13, 2020

anyway i'm glad a baseball scandal has knocked the Oscars off the top of the news, bcz Eight Men Out is one of John Sayles' lesser efforts.

Bill Chambers' incisive take on this years noms:

https://www.filmfreakcentral.net/ffc/2020/01/annual-professional-commentary-on-the-oscar-nominations-2020-edition.html

otm

I'm not going to subscribe to Film Freak Central to get Bill Chambers' opinion

really liked Apollo 11, thought it should have been nominated

Scarlett Johannson's two acting nominations is the first since Blanchett more than a decade ago

and she'll lose both like Blanchett, Emma Thompson, and Sigourney Weaver.

it's interesting that she's just now been nominated for the first time

well Under the Skin way too chilly to garner gold

Julie Strain, Statuesque Star of B-Movies, Dies at 57.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/julie-strain-dead-statuesque-star-b-movies-was-57-1168492

will not make the death reel

FLORENCE PUGH, Little Women = fuck Trump

Almost want to make that my next screenname.

https://www.criterion.com/current/posts/6772-oscar-shut-outs-and-silver-linings

haha, that link makes it clear that Julie Strain is not in fact dead.

E & E are back with their prognostickery

https://www.slantmagazine.com/category/awards/

I still suspect best doc feature will go to the Obamas' prod co (American Factory)

Yeah, that was my initial hunch but Ed won me over.

that Ed! ;)

Honestly the Baseball HoF method wouldn’t be a bad way to approach Best Picture for the Oscars. 10 year wait after release, films remain eligible for 10 years and then after they are null, films have to get 70% of the vote in order to join the Oscar Pantheon.

— Peter Labuza (@labuzamovies) January 24, 2020

Nah, by the time they start marketing, Disney will have already pulled the movie from release in order to replace it with the remake.

A movie hall of fame somehow seems to make more sense to me than a rock & roll hall of fame, somebody should get on that

and by movie hall of fame, I mean a hall of fame for movies, not for actors, directors, etc.

I guess the closest equivalent would be the National Film Registry.

The Academy museum will serve the space function once it opens.

I mean, there's always the Victorville Film Archive.

2019's Oscar Nominees

I liked Uncut Gems as much as any movie I saw last year, but I love Uhlich slashing and burning even more.

https://letterboxd.com/keithuhlich/list/for-whom-the-zell-tolls-or-i-ren-i-ren-so/

was gonna post for the Tarantella take

...but not in this thread

Feel free to lard up as many threads with it as you can.

There's a lot of ham in that post.

he's right about that last shot in OUATIH.

That's kind of who/how he is IRL too, and I dig it.

Shutout for Little Women, The Irishman and Marriage Story? won't watch

Respectively: costumes, nada bing nada boom, and Dern.

oh yeah her

"Duplasses on amphetamines" is only accurate as a description of the Safdies in that they are both sets of brothers who make movies.

yeah, based on uncut gems, safdies are infinity more talented

I think even the Duplasses would admit it.

not sure how much of his argument about the Africa prologue i concur with -- but wd be good to post in UG thread

This line is dreadful too:

The film's sins are legion, though high on my personal list of offenses is the Brothers's hiring of one of the great modern DPs, Darius Khondji, to do what effectively amounts to a Sean Price Williams impersonation.

because...? I don't happen to agree, but I don't think it's dreadful.

An anonymous actress weighs in...

Little Women was badly acted and confusing, and I have no idea why they cast four British actresses to play American girls. [Emma Watson and Florence Pugh are British, but Saoirse Ronan is Irish-American, and Eliza Scanlen is Australian.] And every time they said they were poor, I gagged — they're living in a beautiful two-story house, and they have a cook.

Oh my god...

And they're not very little!

of course she's a big Inglourious Mansons fan

now now

So for me, it was between [Pain and Glory's] Antonio Banderas and [Joker's] Joaquin Phoenix, and I had to go with Joaquin because that is a performance that sticks in your mind. Antonio's was much more subtle and poignant; Joaquin hit it out of the park.

There you go, she decided me.

de Niro (subtle) and Sandler (not) robbed by this floozie

I've now come to accept "Brutally Honest Oscar Voter" as "Shouldn't Be Allowed To Vote On Dog Catcher."

And every time they said they were poor, I gagged — they're living in a beautiful two-story house, and they have a cook.

All that statement proves is that America is actually worse now than when young girls regularly died of scarlet fever.

Parasite is beautifully done, but it didn't hold up the second time, and I don't think foreign films should be nominated with the regular films.

I liked 1917 and Sam Mendes' direction, but I thought Quentin did a great job, and I want an American director to win.

I won't vote for [Harriet's] Cynthia Erivo because I think that they should have gotten an American actress to play Harriet [Tubman], not an English actress.

I didn't know Hedda Hopper was still alive.

MOGA

this could be Jeff Wells in drag

I’ve come to terms with the fact that I will never understand the preoccupation with Manson etc.

way to break precedent by not bumping this thread

haven't seen a minute of this

so nothing major aside from Pitt lambasting the impeachment verdict, eh

Wow (director)

oh, Bong for directing

They say when you've lost Brad Pitt, you've lost Mr. and Mrs. Middle America.

Hah! Just kidding. Wake me up when Pat Sajak publically roasts the Senate for not removing Trump from office.

I guess Parasite could win BP maaaybe

I still suspect best doc feature will go to the Obamas' prod co (American Factory)
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, January 20, 2020

Yeah, that was my initial hunch but Ed won me over.
― temporarily embarrassed thousandaire (Eric H.), Monday, January 20, 2020

Who ya gonna call?

I only lightly taunted him over that.

THESE PEOPLE ARE INSANE

omg Parasite!

Awesome

Congrats to the Academy for giving it to a pretty good film w/ kind of a boringly violent last 20 minutes

better than they usually do!

holy shit

First foreign language film to win Best Picture, not to mention Best Director

I did not expect either of those. wow.

something else to trigger the MAGAts. nice.

I started to suspect this after the second win but I’m surprised none the less

My suspicion is despite 1917’s alleged momentum no one really cared much about that film and it just seemed like an empty choice of a default agreed upon generic best pic even for the historically low standards of the academy in that regard.

It's amazing that a rather good film won the top two categories.

Best Best Picture winner since No Country for Old Men?

everybody I know talked about wanting to see it. not a single one did see it (1917)

xpost I think so.

I honestly thought this might happen in terms of 1917 not taking it (it’s not a film that has anything to cling onto for this group of voters imo) but I thought OUATIH might be the one to sneak in and grab it. But parasite really had a lot of quiet momentum too.

xxxp exactly what i was thinking (best since NCFOM)

i would have been angry and disturbed had Parasite not won

Best Best Picture winner since No Country for Old Men?

I prefer 12 Years a Slave and The Hurt Locker to Parasite, meself. But it's better than shit like Argo and The Shape of Water, obviously.

and Birdman, fucking Birdman

PARASITE

hell yeah

I thought Guðnadóttir's speech was the highlight of the night.

The Hurt Locker is a really fine best picture choice. The worst of the post-NCFOM run is probably ARGO imo, it was just such a dumbed-down, amped-up version of what is I'm sure a fairly interesting story. The tone felt like the fake film at the end of The Player.

tonight's winner is significantly inferior to Little Women and The Irishman btw

(not to mention, say, Ash Is Purest White)

King’s Speech was the worst IMO especially since that was an otherwise really good set of nominees.

King's Speech was leagues worse than Argo, up there with Crash in worst-to-win

Watched about a third, heard another third--about normal. I was glad Joker won score; not a category I take much notice of, but that was an exception. I was glad Phoenix won--until his speech started, when I fled pronto. Bong Joon-Ho's speech was excellent; honestly, I liked it better than his film (which was okay, I guess). Martin and Rock were pretty good.

(His best director speech, that is--he was up there a few times.)

tonight's winner is significantly inferior to Little Women and The Irishman btw

(not to mention, say, Ash Is Purest White)

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius)

Well, your last movie, which I liked, doesn't count

i don't understand the appeal of The Irishman at all

It was well acted and had a good story?

Had a good beat, danced to it

Lost almost every bet I made and other than *********** I feel like Howard R rn

Such an awesome BD speech by Bong, incredible that Parasite won BP

A great year for movies, no?

Jojo Rabbit winning anything let alone SCREENPLAY is infuriating, that's when I stopped watching. I was lucky enough to go downstairs right before BD and BP were announced.

Greta G should've been nominated for BD

i’ve watched it 600 times pic.twitter.com/evQ4waw1H1

— Shea Serrano (@SheaSerrano) February 10, 2020

i didnt like the #MilkLecture ie Joaquin’s speech but i forgave him when he choked up quoting River <3

kinda unhappy with him after learning about his flippant behavior regarding respecting fight choreography

thats so beautiful

xxp

Link on the fight choreography story?

here: https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/joaquin-phoenix-stunt-improvisation-made-joker-all-the-more-dangerous

the article itself curiously presents it as a virtue, but my local fight choreographer friend was livid when he read this.

opposing view: https://allagesofgeek.com/this-just-in/joaquin-phoenixs-unpredictable-fighting-improv-is-literally-a-danger-to-everyone-on-set/

sorry for derail!

no, that's helpful. I did two courses of stage combat in undergrad and saw at least one guy get his bell rung onstage when somebody thought "being in the moment" was cool. It's obviously not. If that extra were an inseminated cow, I'm sure he would have been much more respectful.

lol re: cow.

yeah I don't have a ton of stage combat experience but we did a "Rube Goldberg"-esque swordfight in my last production where there were lots of chain reactions and we were all freaked out about people missing their marks cos many of us were new to combat.

had someone decided to improv I'd have peaced, lol. perhaps figuratively and literally.

I liked phoenix's speech

People are saying this is all mea culpa because they didn’t give it to Roma last year.

People will say lots of things to undermine achievements.

Especially if the winner is part of a group they don’t care about.

A great year for movies, no?

Pretty good as usual... just not (mostly) these movies.

Have only seen about 3 clips, but I think my highlight wd've been Diane Ladd's reaction shot during LD's speech.

xxp yes very true.

Best year for movies since some time in the 90s. The sheer amount of snubs alone seems extraordinary.

there is a whole cinematic world beyond Oscar Movies, and claiming to have enough of a handle on it to declare "good years" would be difficult

but this was a good one bcz of The Souvenir, Little Women, and The Image Book (belatedly released) in particular

I feel like the lone Jojo Rabbit defender here but I was really glad Taika won screenplay for that. I wouldn't have picked it for anything else it was nominate for, particularly, but I'm glad it got something. I'm quite sure he did not expect to win at all, he seemed rather overwhelmed.

i agree that Greta should have been nominated for director though, leaving her out was stupid

1975 was a good year for movies.

I dozed off, is Joaquin still speaking?

good morning!

Have Joaquin and Renee deliver their acceptance speeches on a city street corner and watch as pedestrians cut a wiiiiide berth.

Just Joaq away

Renee

I'm not sure I'll live long enough to personally witness the day, but I can say with near certainty that some future best actor slate will feature a minimum of two competing Jokers.

xpost lol, btw

The Jokescars

By 2051 we will have seen Martha Wayne getting shot and dropping her pearls 37 different ways

I don't think I'll ever watch the awards again but I'm glad a genuinely defensible movie won for a change. That happens maybe once a decade on average?

Moonlight was a good winner but Parasite a much better one

tonight's winner is significantly inferior to Little Women and The Irishman btw

I even agree with this except for the "significantly" part but ... Jesus, a movie wins the Palme d'Or, tops the most authoritative critics' polls, and still somehow pulls out the best picture Oscar despite being in a foreign language and not even a little piece of you is heartened?

When was the last time a movie took both? iirc Marty was the first.

Parasite is the second.

So far as awful winners since they expanded the field, nothing quite matches the uselessness of the string from The King's Speech to The Artist to Argo.

Four decent to good pictures winning the top award in the last six years (12 Years a Slave, Spotlight, Moonlight, Parasite) strikes me as the best string of my life.

It happens every now and then that a film wins both Palm and Foreign Film Oscar. Amour in 12, Pelle the Conqueror in 89, The Tin Drum 79, A Man and a Woman 66, Black Orpheus 59, Gate of Hell 54. Think that's it.

I watched The Search yesterday and it honestly improves my impression of The Artist a bit, because at least it's not that joyless self-serious pile of crap. Still, Hazanavicius will never again make anything as good as the OSS 117 films.

not even a little piece of you is heartened?

No dear, bcz fuck the Oscars, now and forever.

The decisive factor, I suspect, was "own Trump." So, y'know, fine, I'm sure it will prevent his reelection.

I like the movie! I just have no idea what it was trying to say about class war.

What matters is what you take from it. I learned that from some of my colleagues while dancing the hokey pokey.

I like the movie! I just have no idea what it was trying to say about class war.

that true class war is impossible while the working class fight each other for scraps from the master's table and while the only better life they can visualise for themselves is becoming the master is basically how i break it down to an extent

agreed

surprised to see Morbs coming down on the side of movies with clear messages that are conveyed directly to the audience, aka classic oscars bait :)

OK, but i think the climactic ultraviolence muddled that, if so. xp

I watched the last award clip, and Bong and a female producer were credited onscreen. Who was the other woman who spoke?

you know about Western Union and messages, mh

imo the stabbing did not undermine or muddle it but reinforced it, then again i am always watching a movie hoping someone gets stabbed

it's hard to end a movie i've noticed. interesting first act then slide into oblivion is how 80% of movies go for me

"I watched the last award clip, and Bong and a female producer were credited onscreen. Who was the other woman who spoke?" the translator?

the climactic ultraviolence works on a story level as an inevitable eruption of the tension that's built up across the film between the three camps of characters

i think it also works on the more macro level of a story about class war because, while the causes of the violence seem obvious to us as an audience, they are treated by the media in the movie as basically an inexplicable novelty, to be covered in the news for a day or two and then completely forgotten, absorbed and neutralised by the dominant ideology - random acts of violence against the ruling class are absolutely not going to change the system in their own right

the ending lacked the cohesion of the setup, but the shot that made Parasite for me was the cut from that final nose-wrinkling sniff to the murder

to me it's just a simple progression. the allegory is never subtle, but it becomes a sledgehammer with the sewage leak and murderous mayhem is the next logical stop

akm, no, the first woman (who I assumed was the co-producer) had a translator, but the second woman spoke in English.

https://www.firstpost.com/entertainment/from-parasite-to-bts-all-you-need-to-know-about-miky-lee-south-korean-entertainments-greatest-mogul-8025381.html

A violent climax of some kind was justified, but that was not my favourite part of the movie. I think of the violent endings of some of Edward Yang's movies in comparison, which are shocking and wrenching but without being lurid.

bg otm

rvw too

I'm legitimately surprised how popular Parasite became amongst the general populace. Most of my friends saw it before me and loved it. Even my boss. Nobody bitching about subtitles or being confused or the usual bullshit lobbed against "tham fahreign feelms". The showing I saw at a Regal months after it had first come out was pretty well attended.

Like stated upthread, I think audiences just needed exposure to SK cinema

Years of hyping Hong Sang-soo finally paying off

SK cinema has for awhile now been in such a golden age. Obviously filmmakers like Park Chan-wook and Bong, but others like Park Hoon-jung (New World) or Yoon Jong-bin (Nameless Gangster), among many others. Those two films are worth seeking out, the former a genuinely thrilling twist on the Infernal Affairs/Departed type of story, except arguably better than either of those. The latter is maybe more in the Bong style, vacillating between comedy and grim gangster drama fairly easily.

Well now you have my attention re: the first one you listed

i watched it on Netflix streaming a few years ago, a few others (VG maybe) also enjoyed it. It's pretty cheap to rent on Amazon Prime now.

the other woman who spoke was Lee Jung Eun, who played the housekeeper in Parasite

I saw that somewhere else! She glammed up nice. Thanks.

A truly cross generational moment as both Scorsese and his daughter have no clue what to make of Eminem pic.twitter.com/NS2QIfDAiP

— Peter Labuza (@labuzamovies) February 10, 2020

i was confused and then i muted it.

they had to lose themselves

Guessed right 21 out of 24 categories last night - sound editing, director and best doc were the ones I got wrong - I should have placed a bet online.

I am so happy Parasite won.The only other winner from the past decade that was a personal favorite of mine was Birdman. But I think almost no-one else I know in real life cares about it or was as excited about it as I was. Parasite, on the other hand, is one of those weird instances were the movie can somewhat qualify as an 'art film' but the script is entertaining enough for the general public to appreciate it without going into the craft that casual moviegoers only enjoy passively - production design, cinematography, editing, etc... - I think this is the first Oscar winner in years that I've heard praise from both my family and friends that are least interested in cinema and my most cinephile friends.

It's seriously such a well crafted movie, even if you don't care for the overall script I will ignore your opinion if you can't find a single good thing to say about this film. Even the most purist movie lover should find something to like in that Hitchcock-inspired peach scene, which was worth the edition nomination for that scene alone.

I think it's a masterpiece and the exact good will that was needed from the academy after that Green Book win. All is forgiven.

I had 20/24 in an online contest. The winner had 23 (obv a Parasite rider).

i mean, i didn't even try THAT hard

I'm sorry, Eminem performed at the Oscars last night? Eminem the rap music man?

I like Rob Sheffield's line on Eminem: "It was the Oscars’ equivalent of giving a Presidential Medal of Freedom to Rush Limbaugh."

I spent a couple minutes this morning trying to guess what he'd have performed and the most relevant thing was the ending credits song from Venom

i'm a softie i guess but the standing o for eminem was the co-highlight of the night for me (alongside Parasite win). you gotta think eminem's fade from glory to basically a punching bag has sucked for him. this was a nice gesture

the 8 Mile single won best song, right?

Yeah. Kind of a repeat of "Purple Rain," with Eminem getting an Oscar while also starring in a huge film and selling millions of records, though iirc Prince got some sort of special Oscar.

I liked how after every performance the performer just sort of awkwardly stands there for a while. Maybe it's always like that? Anyway, I wasn't watching at the time, but when I heard the Eminem song keep going I thought, wait, is Eminem performing? Why? I went downstairs to where the rest of the fam was watching and caught the rest of it and still don't know why.

I didn't see the movie, but I guess Elton John recorded a new song for his biopic? Isn't that a bit like tacking a new track on to a greatest hits collection?

Prince won Best Music, Original Song Score which was a regular category at the time.

xpost I have to assume it was an end credits number or something. Like the Harriet Tubman tune, presumably. Unless I missed the fact that Harriet is a musical.

Prince beat The Muppets Take Manhattan and Songwriter (a Kristofferson project)

xp

Eminem didn't attend the ceremony in 2003 when "Lose Yourself" won, so he never actually performed it at the Oscars until last night.

well thank god the academy saw fit to finally right that historical wrong

remember when he made fun of moby for being 36?

basically em has a new album out is my thinking

"I didn't see the movie, but I guess Elton John recorded a new song for his biopic?"

yes. it's a pretty good song too, IMO. but off the top of my head I can't remember where it was in the movie (not over the closing credits, that was I'm Still Standing).

Eminem performance was unnecessary even if he was good; I just kept thinking "this seems like a retreat from the nominal nods toward diversity and women that they're trying to make in this show". I was rather surprised by the standing ovation he got.

what's more diverse than rap tho, such a brave decision from the academy

the nonstop pandering about supporting women in film against an uncaring and sexist industry read quite a bit like the presenters were fighting back against... the show they were on?

have to say now that Parasite won so many Oscars I'm.... less excited to get around to watching it

including jeffrey epstein in the 'in memoriam' segment seemed like a misstep too tbqh xp

trust your gut imo (but see it anyway) xp

yeah there's no way you're going to dislike it shakey.

"the nonstop pandering about supporting women in film against an uncaring and sexist industry read quite a bit like the presenters were fighting back against... the show they were on?"

yes which is funny considering none of it was unscripted

the bullshit about how no, they really do get it, actually, is why parasite won

maya and kristen's were mad lol j/k wasn't a dismissal of sexism so much as fuck the oscars

we're

but off the top of my head I can't remember where it was in the movie (not over the closing credits, that was I'm Still Standing).

The credits are long enough that both songs were featured.

Oof, I just saw that they didn't include Luke Perry in the in memoriam. And he's even in one of the top nominated films!!

Btw, every time they cut to Sam Mendes I thought it was bearded Mark Ruffalo and that the cameraman was making a mistake.

ppl should understand that if the deceased isn't *best known* for the medium of film, not TV or stage, they may not be included.

of course an exception was made for Kobe

Kobe won an Oscar.

I didn't know Anna Karina had died until last night. :(

yes, Kobe won an Oscar; so did Dorothy Malone, and they left her out last year

... possibly sparing us seeing her stroke the oil derrick again.

one of the great shots in '50s cinema

Well, yeah.

Tim Conway fans need to know Apple Dumpling Gang doesnt get him in; the Emmys, yes

did they show Kobe? I don't recall that.

ppl can always click thru the 163 photos here (they have Barbara Hammer AND Arte Johnson)

Kobe was first, Kirk Douglas was last, some non-rapists were in-between.

Probably some rapists.

I noticed there was some audible reaction during the death montage. I thought they'd gone silent on that for a few years.

seriously, shove the unsubstantiated "rapist" shit in the case of Douglas

The decisive factor, I suspect, was "own Trump." So, y'know, fine, I'm sure it will prevent his reelection.

I like the movie! I just have no idea what it was trying to say about class war.

Maybe that the victims are always human beings? (And the rest of the natural world, to floods.) (But that humans are incapable of saving themselves in the end.)

douglas was certainly a philanderer but I've never heard him accused of rape.

I hadn't, either, until he died, and Natalie Wood was suddenly trending on Twitter.

https://www.wonkette.com/are-we-seriously-going-to-accuse-someone-of-rape-based-on-one-comment-on-a-shady-gossip-blog

this all seems to be harkening back to...GAwker?

unless the "some non-rapists in between" was used for an easy joek above, which I'm....sure hoping not.

I have a hard time condemning Douglas without something other than an anonymous source and assurances that "these rumors have persisted for years". I don't have a hard time believing Natalie Wood was brutally raped,as she confided this in her surviving sister Lana. But the identity of her rapist was not publicly provided by Natalie, nor has it been provided by surviving family, but rather some anonymous internet handle whose identity has never been authenticated, who is choosing to speak on behalf of Natalie and her surviving family, without any comments from the family endorsing the statement?

choosing to speak *eight years ago* at that

Fine, sorry for being flip.

when did this happen, at best director?

Bong and Spike inciting a standing ovation for Scorsese made this whole ordeal worth it. Verklempt.

— Sean Burns (@SeanMBurns) February 10, 2020

yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyW-APoy_9A

C'mon, you gotta throw Morbs a bone and mention that Bong also pointedly gave a kind shout-out to QT...who sadly did not receive a standing o.

I think many will agree that while QT may not be so "likable" or exciting to talk about, the man is a giant

a giant douche

Speaking at the podium in front of his supporters, Trump asked, “How bad were the Academy Awards this year?” He went on to say, “And the winner is… a movie from South Korea! What the hell was that all that about? We’ve got enough problems with South Korea, with trade. On top of that, they give them the best movie of the year. Was it good? I don’t know. Let’s get Gone With the Wind back, please? Sunset Boulevard. So many great movies.”

Trump later brought up another Oscar winner from this year’s awards ceremony, which took place earlier this month. Referring to best supporting actor winner Brad Pitt of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, Trump said, “And then you have Brad Pitt, I was never a big fan of his. He got up, said a little wise guy thing. He’s a little wise guy.” As he continued his speech, Trump held up pages from news outlets that covered the 2016 election, mostly with poll results from the primaries where he was leading.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/trump-takes-aim-at-parasite-oscars-win-brad-pitt-colorado-rally-rant-1280306

I look forward to his non-inclusion in next year's "in memoriam" segment.

Maybe they can use his moldering corpse like a puppet to give out the foreign language awards.

I know we are all exhausted with this shit, but the potus just called brad pitt “a little wise guy” at a political rally.

thought he was Joe Pesci