2k20 worst social media platform (facebook, twitter, instagram)

well, that was an unclean start.

https://nplusonemag.com/issue-36/essays/my-instagram/

Twitter for not banning Trump

you missed the obligatory "ILX" option

i quit facebook 2 years ago this month. feels great! i wish everyone i knew would quit, but i understand it's a good way to find out about events and keep track of how many children your relatives have.

twitter can be ok but you have to remind yourself that it is slowly warping you and everyone else who uses it into a conglomerate of sentient turds.

instagram's badness is more insidious. i have a dumb idea about the insidious nature of google image search and other image search engines - the "algorithm" (uh oh - i learned on twitter recently that i'm a piece of shit for using that word in a vague way!) results in pristine, glossy catalog platonic ideals of even mundane objects. when you google image search for Living Room, you won't see what a living room typically looks like. you will an infinite series of perfect living rooms that will always be beyond your reach. your own living room does not belong with these living rooms. it's like that with pretty much anything you search for. you will only see beautiful advertisement people, model home furniture and accessories, things that are for sale, and then a bunch of low-resolution 3D model assets that some company is selling. what does all that have to do with instagram? i'm not sure, but it feels like the people and places i see on instagram are being sucked into the same weird thing. we all post the best version of our lives, and as we see each other irl less and less, these selective images are what's left to form mental pictures of each other. the third image down is an advertisement, and it's related to something you bought using a credit card last week. how did they know that? children have thousands of published images of them before they hit kindergarten, and embedded in each of those images is psychographic data that is then sold to other companies.

anyway, i vote for instagram but i understand it's more of an "up-and-comer" in this rivalry

Depends on if it's "worst company" or "worst for you"

Facebook gets a lot of flack for their nefarious deeds, and rightly so, but tbh mine is just pictures of my friends' kids and people posting songs they like.

Twitter, otoh, is an absolute cesspit and I need to stop looking at it because it's really bad for my health

One afternoon, Dr. Phil was playing on the monitor above the elliptical. The sound was off, but closed captions were on. I pulled out my phone to take a picture, just in time to catch

WHEN SHE DIED IMMEDIATELY AFTER

GETTING A BRAZILIAN BUTT LIFT.

Frozen under the text was a selfie of a woman wearing a paper hospital gown and a blue hairnet. Instantly I knew that the picture I’d taken, of image and caption, was too dark for Instagram, too dark even for Stories, the feature that lets you post images and videos that autodelete after twenty-four hours. This woman died, I think. Died.

Facebook for people over 55, Twitter for people under

Instagram is the only one I don't instinctively hate but the worst aspects aren't targeted at me - I just see friends, bands/music-related stuff, architecture and puppies.

Facebook probably in the lead overall since they added the in-app local news aggregator that seems designed entirely to make people even more scared of the world outside their door.

Twitter is the terriblest and people who like it are part of the problem

d all of the above

Twitter is absolutely the worst for my own mental health. I have almost no exposure to Facebook anymore, and Instagram doesn't seem to get into my head in the same way.

'Twitter = anxiety, Youtube = depression' is sort of how I think about it.

d all of the above

― american bradass (BradNelson)

I hate facebook and twitter for sucking the life out of forums.

I hate twitter for the way it turns people into cliquish shits trying to be super-cool all the time. I realize that sometimes there is value in making ethical statements that are obvious to most of your audience, but I see some really intelligent people being reduced to saying things like "I think bigotry is wrong, but that's just me being me, that's the way I roll *nonchalant mic drop*"

Instagram is the only one I'm a member on. The dashboard is rubbish (they need an inbox instead). The scroll for all the people you follow is rubbish. You cant save or re-size images.

instagram’s terribleness touches me the least so i’m still active there but it’s becoming “twitter but only images” more and more every day

I hate facebook and twitter for sucking the life out of forums.

Feels like Reddit is the real supervillain on this front.

All bad. My twitter is useful to me bc I use it mostly for friendship rather than content but if it shut down I wouldn’t shed a tear.

I can only judge indirectly. Twitter is the vehicle of choice for the vile shit that drips from our POTUS in addition to tens of thousands of lesser lights. Facebook has been complicit in inciting ethnic cleansing and its management lies almost as much as the POTUS does. Weighing these against one another I voted Facebook.

Twitter is definitely gonna shut down first, they can’t possibly retool the product enough to entice a buyer

The n+1 article has a bit about rue Crémieux in Paris, which led me to this.

Feels like Reddit is the real supervillain on this front.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Sunday, January 19, 2020 7:00 PM

Really? I know reddit isn't always the MRA stereotype but I didn't really notice people going to there specifically. It is a forum and I did consider going there because other forums were dying but it just wasn't active enough in my interests to justify that.

Reddit covering every possible topic ate away at bbs-style forums pretty hard but it has all the terrible qualities of Twitter - the liking/upvoting rush of getting good Twitter numbers but no topic really lasts more than a few hours. ILX has conversations spanning decades now, nothing like that can ever exist on Reddit because of the system.

instagram is p great

Facebook is terrible

Twitter seems to give people trauma and/or brain damage but also it has da Share Z0ne

I mean I don’t know anything about Instagram, I just like posting my photos there and looking at pics of synths and old ads and new releases from my local record stores

I hate twitter for the way it turns people into cliquish shits trying to be super-cool all the time.

Instagram bores me now. Might change. I go from Insta to FB and back again. I quit FB for a long time but decided to return. Lemmy’s breeder told me she posted pics of her puppies. So I decided to come back.

Twitter is vile. Just pure cesspool.

twitter and instagram both still pretty great. facebook plumbing new depths

PEOPLE YOU CAN FILTER POLITICAL TWEETS AND SOCIAL ISSUES TWEETS (well mostly)

That would leave like three people to follow, though. Four if you count dril as more comedy than politics.

nonsense

twitter is the most easily curatable and therefore the most usable

feel like people who say that are usually 1-2 years away from abandoning the site

I use Twitter like a message board; I only follow about 200 accounts, many of which just post images, or are linked to magazines and websites I read regularly. The few actual people I follow are people I can have interesting (to me) conversations with.

On Instagram, I hardly follow anybody; I post pictures of CDs I'm listening to, or live shows I go to, and that's pretty much it.

I use Facebook more like LinkedIn, in a way. Almost all my Facebook friends are actually professional contacts. Musicians, other writers, publicists, record industry people, etc.

If I was to keep just one, it'd be Twitter. Facebook is the worst of the three, but I don't feel like it's actually harming my brain (yet).

i use twitter like the back half the local news: traffic and weather together! your local sports teams!

very rarely do i bump into the horror twitter can be. the only downside is i follow so few accts twitter always tries to get me to use ‘home’ instead of ‘latest tweets.’

ive been using twitter for 12 years i doubt im gonna suddenly abandon it unless they make changes that make it not usable in the way i want

PEOPLE YOU CAN FILTER POLITICAL TWEETS AND SOCIAL ISSUES TWEETS (well mostly)

― I have not yet begun to fart (rip van wanko)

PEOPLE YOU CAN USE TECHNOLOGY TO PRETEND ALL OF THE TERRIBLE STUFF THAT IS MAKING LIFE IN 2020 UNBEARABLE DOESN'T EXIST

i'm going to go "twitter" because nobody i talk to ever tries to seriously defend facebook

youtube probably worse than all of the options above, though

came here to post more or less what wanko, ciderpress and unperson have posted. if your twitter feed is a cesspool just unfollow the cess

I mean it is still kind of dreadful but it has a slightly substantial purpose when used well

otoh it annoys me that I have to maintain a skeleton presence on fb to touch base with ilxors offboard. let's start our own private messaging platform and we can all leave for good

otm (although I’m really just there for meme pages)

^^ otm

[a]Ilxbook
[b]Ilxtagram
[c]ilx0r

a live chat with various rooms wouldn't be too hard to implement to the ilx site surely

same login, same username

or... an ilx discord lol

not the worst idea I’ve ever heard

but wouldn’t here just die?

instagram's badness is more insidious. i have a dumb idea about the insidious nature of google image search and other image search engines - the "algorithm" (uh oh - i learned on twitter recently that i'm a piece of shit for using that word in a vague way!) results in pristine, glossy catalog platonic ideals of even mundane objects. when you google image search for Living Room, you won't see what a living room typically looks like. you will an infinite series of perfect living rooms that will always be beyond your reach. your own living room does not belong with these living rooms. it's like that with pretty much anything you search for. you will only see beautiful advertisement people, model home furniture and accessories, things that are for sale, and then a bunch of low-resolution 3D model assets that some company is selling. what does all that have to do with instagram? i'm not sure, but it feels like the people and places i see on instagram are being sucked into the same weird thing. we all post the best version of our lives, and as we see each other irl less and less, these selective images are what's left to form mental pictures of each other. the third image down is an advertisement, and it's related to something you bought using a credit card last week. how did they know that? children have thousands of published images of them before they hit kindergarten, and embedded in each of those images is psychographic data that is then sold to other companies.

anyway, i vote for instagram but i understand it's more of an "up-and-comer" in this rivalry

I've been doing a social media campaign for a fostering organisation to get more people into fostering. Of course, for security reasons we couldn't use real images of foster families, but trying to get suitable stock images was nigh impossible. All these photos of squeaky-clean kids in backwards baseball caps in picture-postcard familial settings were unrealistic and would have idealised the fostering experience. It ended up being a serious headache for us and our client.

Reddit is good but not good not bad.

I only really use Facebook. I know it's terrible, but it's one of the only ways I can keep in touch with friends, promote my events, find out what's going on in my locale. It also works as a nice extension of ILX to discuss current affairs and culture with people I only know through the internet.

I have Instagram and Twitter accounts, but rarely use them.

I find Twitter bewildering and never got used to the idea of how threads and replies work. I hate the character limit. I hate the 'Now I am going to say something important and you are going to listen because I am a very smart person' tone of a lot of the posts. I'm also concerned about how open and public it all is.

Having little to no interest in what famous people are tweeting about, I have even less interest in what they're promoting for breakfast. Instagram just feels like a big promotional platform (and yes I know that goes for all social platforms, but still). Why anyone would willingly want to follow an influencer who's paid to pose with various products is just bizarre to me. As for photos, yeah I get people like to take photos of their holidays - but why would I be interested in looking at these on a tiny square-shaped screen? I think I'm missing the point of it perhaps as many of my friends are super invested.

I hate the character limit. I hate the 'Now I am going to say something important and you are going to listen because I am a very smart person' tone of a lot of the posts.

Combined, these two factors result in smarmy 'threads' that read like cramped manifestos. Burn it all down.

There's been talk of ILK moving to platforms over the years*, but part of the secret of ILX's success cockroach-like tenacity over the years is that a plain black-on-white site doesn't obviously look like not working.

*Arguably LiveJournal worked!

*ILX - I Love the Klukluxklan was eventually moved off to become Spiked

Yeah I loved Livejournal for years but then it fell off massively. I have a dreamwidth now but it’s not the same.

I don't think an ilx discord would kill ilx

Amended - might kill some of the participants. I’m part of two servers and have both muted for a good reason most of the time.

(genuinely surprised that a whole 15 seconds of research indicates that Dom never wrote for Spiked)

Discord's relative instantaneousness strikes me as less of a blessing than a curse. I, for one, appreciate the delay in posting to ILX, as it helps mitigate some of the more extreme consequences of procrastination.

I hate facebook as much as I have done for years, unfortunately it's my only channel of communication to lots of friends around the world.

I have made peace with twitter by using selective following, blocks and muted words, I like it more than I did

Cannot get to grips with instagram, it looks better than facebook but i hate how it walls off its own content and won't let me link anything

Discord's relative instantaneousness strikes me as less of a blessing than a curse. I, for one, appreciate the delay in posting to ILX, as it helps mitigate some of the more extreme consequences of procrastination.

― pomenitul, Monday, January 20, 2020 1:25 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Absolutely otm. Discord might not 'kill ilx', but I can't see what it would add, or rather what need it would fulfill.

one *particularly* wrong and wrongheaded post itt, the rest is noise

If I nuke my FB, does it kill/otherwise fuck with my Messenger acct? I have FB deactivated and I'd love to just get rid of it but I still use Messenger a lot.

Yeah it should (and messenger is awful, what’s the appeal)?

Twitter is the most fun, but that also means it's the worst for my mental health. I've been taking a break from it since the beginning of the year, and I feel like I just have more space to think and to do other things that aren't compulsively looking at Twitter whenever I have a spare moment.

Yeah it should (and messenger is awful, what’s the appeal)?

I just have ppl on there it would be a pain to migrate over to Whatsapp/Telegram/whatever.

what if I said I loved them all

This is why reddit is good btw:

https://www.reddit.com/r/awfuleverything/comments/er6p9d/worst_hold_music_ever/

reddit is better than facebook but worse than everything else

If I nuke my FB, does it kill/otherwise fuck with my Messenger acct? I have FB deactivated and I'd love to just get rid of it but I still use Messenger a lot.

― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Monday, January 20, 2020 12:59 PM (forty-six minutes ago)

When I last deactivated my FB account, I couldnt log into Spotify as it was in tandem with my FB. I couldnt find any way around it either

That's how they get ya.

Absolutely otm. Discord might not 'kill ilx', but I can't see what it would add, or rather what need it would fulfill.

otm - all ilx content must be archived here on the borad in perpeuity so that i can dig up people's bad takes 15 years later and clown them

I think Discord archives in perpetuity too? You just need to do a lot of scrolling

i don't have that kind of physical stamina

my spotify was connected to my FB and when i killed my FB my spotify acct still existed it just turned the login name into like a random 12-digit string of numbers

i don't know that an ilx discord would "kill ilx" but it might have some effect on 77

i think it says something about how damn old we all are that there isn't an ilx discord already

other forums ive been on the spinoff discords are for specific topics rather than just a general 'this is the discord for the forum' since the latter creates weird social stratifications

what i'm saying is ilx and discord are my two preferred social platforms but i would not join an ilx discord

idk what discord is and i refuse to learn

groupchat that autoembeds, that's all

This is why reddit is good btw:

https://www.reddit.com/r/awfuleverything/comments/er6p9d/worst_hold_music_ever/

― pomenitul, Monday, January 20, 2020 7:16 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

lmao that's incredible, reminds me a lot of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBDAytqFrUk

anyway I've told this story in another thread but one day after the work Christmas party FB's facial recognition bot spotted me way in the background of someone else's photo, even though I didn't know any of the people in it and don't have any mutual friends, that freaked me out enough to consider just dropping it wholesale

unfortunately my monthly poker game is run through there so I kinda have to keep it for something

xp amazing, I hadn't seen that one yet.

Further back in time:

https://youtu.be/i6LAVk1sHW8

coincidentally this all sounds like music that's been recommended to me by this message board

The shitty hold music is this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuFTCirwmoM

why they chose it is another matter

xxp ooh tasty!

discord is pretty identical to slack if you know what that is. but targeted at nerds/gamers instead of workplaces

and i refuse to learn

― american bradass (BradNelson), Monday, January 20, 2020 7:48 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

I hate that facebook and twitter are basically a necessity re: putting out music but I otherwise don't engage with them. not sure which is worse on the terrible-impacts-on-society scale.

never been on instagram.

I know which has had the more terrible impact on ILX, that's for sure.

i use twitter the most but it's probably the worst of all of these. something about the format encourages the worst side of humanity. even a lot of ppl i would normally find funny seem vaguely sociopathic on twitter. that said it is great for following unfolding events, way easier than just refreshing a news site over and over again.

facebook is the least fun of these to use. i think the only reason i haven't deleted my account is that it's easier to keep up with local events if you have it.

i actually enjoy instagram a lot but it is kind of a frustratingly limited platform to use, not being able to save images is especially annoying.

i'm curious why anyone would think youtube is worse than any of these, the awfulness of youtube comments aside.

Twitter can suck but it's also the only time I ever see things from strangers that are genuinely funny or insightful.

Instagram is the most pleasant but part of me thinks it might the most insidious and worst for me mentally

YouTube has been pushing extreme content and far right stuff on people for ages, is probably why. That and all the weird disturbing content targeted at children and the paedo-magnet videos that are clearly catering to some sort of fetish audience but are just barely on the side of legality.

facebook is going to win trump the election again so probably that? twitter was worse for my mental health. i now only use instagram and mainly to look at the old friends senior dog sanctuary account and the kangaroo sanctuary account

idk what discord is and i refuse to learn

― american bradass (BradNelson)

it's where all the genderqueer people on the internet are

hey, random question, is there a button i can push to make firefox stop virtue signaling at me?

YouTube’s highs (live music performances) are higher than any other service’s, its lows are lower.

The only one I use of the 3 is fb. I was a relatively late joiner and it took me a couple of years to realize I was supposed to check it on a consistent basis. Instagram is fluff.commercials and twitter is fucking terrible. How do most people engage with that shit and think it's the real world. UGH. Maybe I hate it more for how often it's forced onto ilx.

I just started reading reddit in 2019. I really like it, but I also don't have login to post which might be best use. I find it very informative.

It's worth creating an account just so you can subscribe to the subreddits you're interested in and tune out the dregs that consistently make it to the top (e.g. /r/PewdiepieSubmissions).

Twitter is the most actively harmful

Facebook is the most inept at doing anything that is any use to anyone in 2020

Instagram is the most wholesome but has pretty annoying ads. Lately I've been getting ads for all these magnificently shit urban fantasy novels written by weird dads with like 8 likes tho, which is fine

the amount of clicks it takes to view the posts you've liked in Insta does strike me as sinister though, like “oh that feature wasn't there for *you* but sure ok“

The problem I had with twitter wasn't that I couldn't filter out all the gross/negative/stupid shit, it's that all the funny good people I liked were driving themselves and each other insane about the negative shit, unintentionally aggregating it

I do appreciate that Reddit has usually supplanted annoying Youtube videos in being the first Google result for queries about tricky bits of video games, often as part of some extremely comprehensive FAQ stickied by eager to help youths

RIP gamefaqs tho

if you carefully curate what you follow on insta it can be a beautiful thing, just follow music / art / photography stuff and keep all the other bullshit on the other platforms. i mostly just oogle it though, hardly ever post

I really only follow like 60 odd accounts on insta, mostly family & friends. But because I follow Tokyu Hands’s cat cafe (nekobukuro_official), I keep getting recommendations like <cat account with Japanese name> has just joined. I like it for stories and posting interesting art and things I see, but I accept that’s not most people’s experience, especially those who use it more.

I've been doing a social media campaign for a fostering organisation to get more people into fostering. Of course, for security reasons we couldn't use real images of foster families, but trying to get suitable stock images was nigh impossible. All these photos of squeaky-clean kids in backwards baseball caps in picture-postcard familial settings were unrealistic and would have idealised the fostering experience. It ended up being a serious headache for us and our client.

― doorstep jetski (dog latin), Monday, January 20, 2020 5:33 AM

I've mentioned this before elsewhere, but some acquaintances were fostering a brother and a sister. They knew the rules, but couldn't keep from posting events on Instagram anyway. They did a remarkable job of keeping the children out of the photographs, but everything was set up like:

https://i.imgur.com/MnahaLs.png

Except replace "friends" with "family" and "Nathan Fielder" with "their dog".

The girl had a birthday party and the picture was taken from behind a group of adults standing behind the children who were between the adults and the birthday cake. You could kinda see the glow of the flames behind the shadows.

Why go through all this? I dunno. Gotta get them likes somehow.

The problem I had with twitter wasn't that I couldn't filter out all the gross/negative/stupid shit, it's that all the funny good people I liked were driving themselves and each other insane about the negative shit, unintentionally aggregating it

yea this is very true, case in point the Kent State gun girl who basically built a career out of getting yelled at on Twitter

Reddit has its own problems but it's at least pretty easy to curate your experience on. If nothing else it's pretty good for niche/conceptual humor, stuff like r/wheredidthesodago, r/restofthefuckingowl, r/bonehurtingjuice, etc. Also the NBA sub is surprisingly great, as it seems to be populated by a bunch of people with a lot of time on their hands

Facebook is awful and useless. Twitter is great. I don’t understand the appeal of Instagram at all.

honestly, none; there is this widespread perception that people on social media aren't real people, and that the hostility there also isn't real, which (bots/trolls aside, but there are so many false positives) is obviously false. which is why, I think, people blame "social media" as uniquely toxic, because the alternative would be really grappling with the idea that people are just like this and maybe just hid it better

ello is relatively harmless

haven't read all of this thread yet but imo: twitter >>>>> instagram > facebook

Worst thing about Facebook is that it attracts a never-ending shitstream of fuckwitted bellends who think their algorithmically-target feed is just the way things are, and vote for Trump/Brexit/Hitler as a result.

Worst thing about Twitter is obnoxiously political Americans who Punctuate. Their. Tweets. For Emphasis. Like. This. It's like being poked in the chest while someone's yelling at you for no reason. e.g. "Listen. Up. Y'all. Gotta. Do. Better." or whatever. Fuck all that.

Myspace seems so innocent in retrospect, also it was occasionally useful.

there is much opportunity for continually changing your experience on twitter if you are free about following/unfollowing

honestly, none; there is this widespread perception that people on social media aren't real people, and that the hostility there also isn't real, which (bots/trolls aside, but there are so many false positives) is obviously false. which is why, I think, people blame "social media" as uniquely toxic, because the alternative would be really grappling with the idea that people are just like this and maybe just hid it better

― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine)

i mean it's _real_, anybody who works in healthcare knows how nasty people can be in person (and i personally suspect that they don't, particularly, hide it better offline), but social media does have this uniquely distancing effect of shielding people from the consequences of their actions. it feels good to be an asshole to someone on the internet in a way that it usually doesn't in person.

Somehow the relentless negativity on Twitter is more palatable and less exhausting to me than the relentless positivity on Instagram

Social media encourages people to be assholes for attention because of the distancing - in real life the Ohio State gun girl gets isolated and eventually ignored, with social media she gets an InfoWars contract.

Social media encourages people to be assholes for attention because of the distancing - in real life the Ohio State gun girl gets isolated and eventually ignored, with social media she gets an InfoWars contract.

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, January 20, 2020 11:42 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

maybe this is a growing up in the south vs. not growing up in the south thing but in real life the ohio state gun girl absolutely does not get isolated or ignored

I grew up in Texas - she definitely does. You can be a reactionary evangelical psycho all you want but politeness is still expected (I mean, especially from a young woman...).

Twitter (and way before that Usenet/forum flame wars, etc.) encourages you to own people for the little dopamine rush of a bunch of likes/community status/etc.. The person yelling in the bar is cold shouldered by everyone, the person who is relentlessly negative about others finds themself wondering why they have no friends.

that... really isn't how things work in the real world; bullies tend to be quite popular, it's generally the people they're relentlessly negative toward who wonder why they have no friends

Sociopaths generally can find an endless supply of people who haven’t been inoculated against sociopaths yet.

Sociopaths are not the same thing as what happens on Twitter - I've yet to see people flock to the person screaming insults at someone in public.

No one can punch you in the face on Twitter.

if somebody I've been following tweets or retweets things that really irritate me, I unfollow them. I can decide if I want to see their account again later, but there is always new interesting stuff to see

I'm the same way I'm not doing 'dry January', but I am being more conscious of the amount of alcohol I put into my body on a weekend, I'm trying to do the same with social media.

December's election and Brexit-fuelled mania pretty much broke me and I ended up having a mini breakdown on results day. I'd spent weeks and months debating the ins and outs of it online, and it had made me cross-eyed and downcast and I just couldn't think about it any more.

So while I'm still on Facebook, it's nice to consciously scroll past 'interesting-looking' news stories which I would have previously leapt on and reposted and ended up in an upsetting 50 post bunfight with that otherwise nice ex boyfriend of someone I knew back home over.

I don't give a shit about the Royals. I don't give a shit about Boris Johnson. I don't give a shit about Europe. It's becoming a rather soothing mantra.

Of course it's hard not to feel like I'm burying my head in the sand, or just lying down in front of the bulldozers and letting them run all over me.

But ignorance is bliss, as they say, and right now I can't deal with the stress. For my own sanity, I'm detoxing from political social media, and it feels good.

*first word is 'in', not 'I'm'. typing on the phone

facebook (and its subsidiary instagram) is worst for society.
twitter is worst for my mental health (since i quit facebook and find instagram to be pleasant).

I never messed with Facebook - from the get-go I sensed something sinister about it, all the cult-like insistence that you HAD to get on it

FB definitely has an extra layer of creepiness to it

I have a woman on there who is the same age as me, we were neighbors and hung out a lot as kids and were still pretty friendly to each other until the Trump thing happened and she turned into a turbo-chud, like all in on Pizzagate/QAnon shit. and since shes a stay at home mom she posts this shit all day long, which is easy because FB makes it so easy to amplify insane conspiracy theories (while of course at the same time complaining that FB censors all her insane conspiracy theories)

anyway along the way she added hundreds and hundreds of QAnon "friends". the father of her child left and now she posts about that, which inevitably is followed by several 70 year old guys with profile pictures of them standing in front of a TV with Trump on it saying "what state do you live in. I love kids". this lady has become absolutely awful of course but I still get nauseous seeing it

I realize this shit happens on other social media sites but something about Facebook makes it seem a lot more dangerous - she's got a ton of personal info on there, pictures of her family, her house, everything

that... really isn't how things work in the real world; bullies tend to be quite popular, it's generally the people they're relentlessly negative toward who wonder why they have no friends

― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine)

idk. that's not my experience? one does of course see many prominent bullies and abusers in positions of power... is that "popularity"? i wouldn't like to be "popular" in the way those people are "popular" (though mind you i would not mind at all wielding the power such people do).

all i can tell you is myself, my own experience being a rude and arrogant bully on usenet in the '90s, the awful things i said that i wouldn't have dared to tell anybody to their face, and while i hope that i have changed at least a little since then, i don't really see evidence the larger internet has gotten any better.

My experience is that people who stick close to bullies are cowards and enablers who live in fear of eventually being targeted themselves. People who participate in that toxic social dynamic, both bullies and enablers, are not well or happy people.

I think FB is the worst of the three on a selfish level, because I find it such a hopeless and depressing "place" to be with its shitty blue color scheme, ugly ass ads, and constant reminders that people you love are tacky and or stupid.

that last line makes you sound like a bit of a bully

Bullying only a relevant concept if he (gonna assume beard papa is a he) starts shouting the odds and trying to make the lamers feel bad. Quiet disdain is arguably the opposite of bullying <strokes chin ruminatively>

i mean i see it, yeah

but bullying just so often used to mean whatever it needs to

had a good thread once iirc we bullied everyone in it

That thread's name? ilxor.com

Twitter is the terriblest and people who like it are part of the problem

― juntos pedemos (Euler), Sunday, 19 January 2020 bookmarkflaglink

Can you expand on this? For the lolz

Twitter is pretty good, but like people are saying it needs to be carefully curated.

I think a lot of people I follow are either on here or posters that I often think would've ended up here, so in that sense there is a bit of hatred towards it.

I spent five mins on Mastodon and if twitter goes it looks like a lot of people will move there.

Never been on FB but it has been pretty terrible if you believe it has had an effect on the last batch of elections. From the US to Brazil to India to the UK. I don't buy it whole, lots of different factors at play.

I think a lot of people I follow are either on here or posters that I often think would've ended up here, so in that sense there is a bit of hatred towards it.

What do you mean?

xyzzzzzzzzzz if you are just going to laugh at me, why should I engage with you?

and maybe that is why I hate twitter

there are plenty of coherent expansions on why twitter sucks itt

People don't laugh at other people on ilx? Doesn't this place get argumentative and difficult? What is so much better about this place that makes you post on it but not on twitter?

What do you mean?

― Frozen Mug (Tom D.), Saturday, 25 January 2020 bookmarkflaglink

Lots of people I have found through twitter and are not ilx ppl could've ended up on ilx if twitter didn't exist.

Loving the new Gucci Mickey Mouse collection, featuring a vintage looking Disney Mickey. Jeans, sweatshirts, tee shirts, sweaters, jackets, and accessories. The Mickey craze is on!!!

— Danielle Steel (@daniellesteel) January 23, 2020

Change your life – one happy thought at a time!

— The Secret (@thesecret) January 25, 2020

lol

Lots of people I have found through twitter and are not ilx ppl could've ended up on ilx if twitter didn't exist.

Where does hatred come into the equation?

Envy iirc.

We hate the fact that all these wonderful people who could be on ILX are on Twitter?

https://www.shortlist.com/media/images/2019/05/923fb68fea6fa36cb4c58afbe92548c8-1556687180-msXP-column-width-inline.jpg

We can’t bring anything to us unless we are grateful for what we already have.

— The Secret (@thesecret) January 25, 2020

Where does hatred come into the equation?

― Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Saturday, 25 January 2020 bookmarkflaglink

Hatred is a bit strong. More like mixed feelings as less people post here these days..although there is something to be said for quieter mode ilx

I'm almost 100% certain that has absolutely no bearing on what people on ILX think about Twitter! Maybe other people's brains work differently to mine though.

Funnily enough, I was just looking at Facebook and noticed that one of my friends was talking to one of his (FB) friends, who happened to be Graham Lewis of Wire, who seems to post on FB all the time - he's the right age group apparently. Should I hate, or have mixed feelings about, Facebook now for keeping Graham Lewis (and Colin Newman, he's on there too) from posting on ILX?

xxxxyyyy you were baiting me to write something here so that you could laugh at me, but I don't want to be bullied. I'm happy this place isn't like twitter, that's why I post here and not there. I came and have stayed here because it was a thoughtful place (and when I stay on ILM it still is)

My experience is that people who stick close to bullies are cowards and enablers who live in fear of eventually being targeted themselves. People who participate in that toxic social dynamic, both bullies and enablers, are not well or happy people.

― beard papa, Saturday, January 25, 2020 7:11 AM

I always wonder why those people take a risk like that because they must know that bullies and enablers are likely to get shown for what they are eventually. Especially bullies who like to present themselves as the cutting edge of social justice.

That's ok Euler. Post as you want, you do you.

Twitter is the terriblest and people who like it are part of the problem

― juntos pedemos (Euler), Sunday, 19 January 2020

Can you expand on this? For the lolz

― xyzzzz__

PEOPLE YOU CAN USE TECHNOLOGY TO PRETEND ALL OF THE TERRIBLE STUFF THAT IS MAKING LIFE IN 2020 UNBEARABLE DOESN'T EXIST

― revenge of the jawn (rushomancy)

twitter most actively harmful to my mental health

reddit the worst for the internet in general in terms of how it subsumed any actually interesting unique little corner of the internet. not to mention the actual interface is almost unusable, the comment threading makes no sense at all. forums are/were much better. reddit’s worst offense though is that it’s insanely boring

facebook the most concretely toxic in terms of real world effects

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

gotta go w Facebook. outside of Fox I suspect it’s had the biggest influence on turning aging whites’ brains into spoiled mayonnaise

yeah agree

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

41strange got suspended?! wtf

Funnily enough, I was just looking at Facebook and noticed that one of my friends was talking to one of his (FB) friends, who happened to be Graham Lewis of Wire, who seems to post on FB all the time - he's the right age group apparently. Should I hate, or have mixed feelings about, Facebook now for keeping Graham Lewis (and Colin Newman, he's on there too) from posting on ILX?

Maybe its a perception of being way more public here? Which would be right? One can filter and lock and so on on FB at least. I mean I spent 6 months talking on the regular to Ian Crause a few years back on FB/email, but he almost never showed up here.

I haven't updated WhatsApp in ages, and now I've got a new phone so everything's installing again, and it's now 'WhatsApp Messenger' 'from Facebook' - was it always like this and/or has anything changed? Old news articles say Facebook wants to merge WhatsApp & FB Messenger, and I hate FB Messenger with the passion of a thousand firey suns, so would like to know before I install WA if it's gone to shit.

I'm getting tired of seeing people I like on twitter seeming to seriously advocate murder and other extremely violent solutions. Most of the time I imagine they were just extremely angry and wouldn't stick to it if you asked about it seriously but then there's all these "not even joking" tweets. For fucks sake.

Losing respect for almost everyone but still need to get along.

Moving the Overton on choppy bois might be the only good sociological effect of twitter.

otm

Say what you like about Instagram, at least no-one's commandeered it to encourage genocide (unless you're counting Fyre Festival).

I should maybe check more often if these people delete those tweets later on, but I never see anyone apologize.

Also: massive sweeping statements about groups of people that have nothing to do with any serious thinking about privilege.

Very few people seem to have learned that "it's just a joke" shouldn't fly anymore.

people shouldn't joke about having tory scum executed like vermin, it's a serious business is liquidating scum of the earth!

liquidate power, not voters tbh

I've said "they probably don't mean that and are probably nice" too many times for people in my social circles. Benefit of the doubt is important but I don't know why I gave it to strangers so often.

have concluded social media was invented by harry harlow

my mum insists on referring to video conference calls, to which she has recently been exposed by me and my brothers, as social media. i mean i can see the logic, but “i know people complain about social media but i think it’s *wonderful*” takes some unpicking.

Why would anyone apologize for joking (“joking”) about guillotining billionaires?

Too much violent fantasies give a sense that any real change is hopeless and we're reduced to childishness that won't gain us any advantage, might turn lots of people away. Comes across creepy too. Joking about executing the royal family might have been funny for a moment but when it persists it's just sounds the joker has a serious problem.

I'm someone who regularly fantasizes about taking a hot bath affixed to the top of the world's slowest steamroller, everyone I dislike is tied down in front of the steamroller and I can listen to the music of them being turned to mush and the screams of the hundreds who are ahead.
But I try not to and I know it's not good for me.

...

I also have an unhealthy fixation with kicking Family Guy fans out windows and shutting down Marvel and DC and jerking off while everyone affected cries. These are the less political ones.

twitter is bad now that everyones on it 24/7

I'm someone who regularly fantasizes about taking a hot bath affixed to the top of the world's slowest steamroller, everyone I dislike is tied down in front of the steamroller and I can listen to the music of them being turned to mush and the screams of the hundreds who are ahead.

that sounds like a 'you' problem rather than something afflicting the person with a guillotine avatar

I'm sure there's all sorts of violent fantasies for all sorts of angry people.

milo you’re almost as much of an asshole as me, kudos

ugh I regret that sorry.

Most people don’t have extremely detailed violent fantasies, even people who joke about putting Jeff Bezos’s head on a pike outside the city gates.

online: guillotines!! eat the rich!
offline: plain cheeseburger no onions please. afraid to pee in the shower

— @rogerclark (@rogerclark) December 19, 2017

Peeing in the shower does not feel good, the lack of contrast between my urine and the water is unsettling.

I'll say it again: it's amazing how poor twitter and instagram are for browsing. I'm irritated within a short time of being there.

great revive

ffs

The pictures on the instagram dashboard are way too big and the list of people you follow is this silly little list when a whole page would have worked better.

do you pee in the shower on desktop, or mobile?

sorry, i meant browse ig and twitter

instagram desktop is useless, it seems fine on a phone

I also used it on a tablet (which uses mobile mode) and I didn't like it but maybe it's great on an actual phone.

one of the worst things now is people who performatively quit facebook for political or privacy reasons then remain on instagram (think emoji)

then proceed to shit up instagram with screenshots of the same shit they used to post on facebook on their notes app

and none of them seem to have any awareness that instagram is owned by facebook

yep!

otm but also

one of the worst things now is people who performatively quit facebook for political or privacy reasons then remain on instagram (think emoji)

then proceed to shit up instagram with screenshots of the same shit they used to post on facebook on their notes app

and none of them seem to have any awareness that instagram is owned by facebook

...And then rejoin soon after.

I deactivated my Facebook account July 1. Should I go back August 1?

— burning ambulance (@burn_amb) July 27, 2020

Instagram “Reels” is pretty bleak. If i wanted a subscription to maxim magazine i would have ordered one back when that still existed.

it still does: https://www.simplecirc.com/subscribe/maxim/I9AA01

sincerely the worst thing ive ever seen pic.twitter.com/O1HRvfVFSK

— jack wagner (@jackdwagner) September 6, 2020

lol treesh

the annoying thing, so much content was already being imported from TikTok and showing up in the regular search feed; i'll be glad if all the strip teases just get moved to Reels

xp oof i almost wanna believe that TikTok house video is parody

BREAKING: In a secret 2019 meeting, Mark Zuckerberg reportedly struck an agreement with Jared Kushner that Facebook would not fact-check political speech during the 2020 election — in exchange, the Trump administration would avoid significantly regulating Facebook. (per @chafkin)

— No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen (@NoLieWithBTC) September 20, 2021

Mildly terrifying

https://www.tampabay.com/news/crime/2021/08/05/cameron-herrin-went-to-prison-for-a-tampa-crash-were-the-tweets-that-followed-real/

https://www.politicalorphans.com/something-weird-is-happening-on-facebook/

^That’s the best article I’ve seen on this phenomenon yet. Nice find.

yeah I posted it here but the more the better

Envy is one of those unavoidable human traits I nevertheless consciously try to avoid. I don't find it useful, productive or endearing to be envious of people or to compare myself to others: We all walk our own paths, right? We all have our good and bad days, our pros and cons. If someone is doing well for themselves and it doesn't affect my own or anyone else's wellbeing, then why should I feel anything but gladness and pride for them?

But since I've started to promote nights again, I've had to use Instagram a lot more. I'm telling you, it takes only about five minutes of scrolling before I start to feel preternaturally low about myself and, I dare say, a small amount of resentment towards the people making me feel this way.

It's almost... as if... social media is an opiate designed to make people feel tremendously insecure about themselves while also hooking them in like a drug. Now there's an original thought.

I've recently been on Twitter a bit too and man, that place doesn't really make me feel 'envious' in the same way but it does make me feel like I ought to have strong opinions on topics and matters I otherwise wouldn't necessarily consider. And then presently I feel like less of a person because I haven't got a hot take about the new Ghostbusters movie, or what some judge in Texas has decreed, or what some rightwing loudmouth has to say about gender pronouns. It's a bombardment of information and opinions and arguments and it makes the world seem even more bonkers and noisy and horrid than it already is. It makes me feel small, worthless, clueless: less of a person for not getting stuck into these endless discussions.

This might sound strange coming from someone who has spent more than half his life on ILX and is an obsessive Facebooker. But on those platforms I don't really get these feelings of self-loathing, envy, or a push-pull desire to participate in a dog-race I'll never win.

I don't personally understand why someone would leave Facebook but stay on Instagram. Whatever floats your boat ofc, but for all its faults, with FB I feel like I'm in a fairly safe, relatively private space where I talk just to people I know or visit groups that discuss topics I'm interested in; whereas I feel like the other two big platforms seem to be more about surreptitious self promotion: With Insta it's about what a wonderful life you live, Twitter it's how clever and informed you are. Those two seem to be about guerilla oneupmanship, and that's why I can't really enjoy them too much

Art instagram is pretty great. Follow a shitload of cartoonists imo

I’m not on Twitter much and Facebook not at all, but insta is great if you have (or stumble upon) niche interests, like miniatures, or Japanese storefront photography, or pixel art, and so on.

Insta also frustrates me in that it's finicky about almost everything. The images have to be a certain size; you can't link to external things; you can't copy/download images or reshare them if you like them. Plus the UI is so fiddly. It tells me a while bunch of people liked a video I uploaded but I can't seem to be able to get a list of those users when I click. Also it often tela me I have notifications when I don't... That's all by the by though

dog Latin, I use an website called Later for work that solves a lot of what might bug you and makes insta a lot easier to use. Is £25 a month though

ooh yikes! thanks for the tip though

I presume there are cheaper alternatives around too. Instagram is a garbage fire but unfortunately I need it for work so whatchagonnado

www.picuki.com/profile/USERNAME

is useful for grabbing instagram images.

dog Latin, I use an website called Later for work that solves a lot of what might bug you and makes insta a lot easier to use. Is £25 a month though

― a hoy hoy, Wednesday, October 20, 2021 8:50 AM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

the fact that you actually have to get and pay for separate services to actually use instagram as a website is fucking nuts tbh.

i completely agree that instagram is worse than facebook. just a nightmare to use and so much more staring-into-the-abyss than facebook. n.b. i've been pretty hardcore about only being friends with people who aren't annoying in what they post on fb, no family of origin allowed, no randoms from work or school, and it's actually not terrible? no one in the dj world in my town uses facebook anymore though, so i'm stuck with the devolution that is instagram.

Instagram is for images. That’s how it started. It doesn’t work well for anything that isn’t based around an image

Instagram as a restaurant's only website is my pet peeve.

Insta also frustrates me in that it's finicky about almost everything. The images have to be a certain size; you can't link to external things; you can't copy/download images or reshare them if you like them. Plus the UI is so fiddly. It tells me a while bunch of people liked a video I uploaded but I can't seem to be able to get a list of those users when I click. Also it often tela me I have notifications when I don't... That's all by the by though

xpost lol yeah. "hopefully they have taken a picture of their store hours, and also their allergen menu"

Links not allowed in the post drives me mad. Poking about on the bio then going to a linktree page then finding what you're after. I agree, Insta is infuriating.
Hope you're ok DL, I use IG superficially and tend to just be shown nice stuff that's nice to look at but I can see nonsense trying to get in at the edges.

xxp I get MAD when shops/restaurants update opening hours/ relevant practical information on Insta and not their actual website!

map, it's weird that all the music and dj people have emigrated to Instagram considering it's not really made for sharing music or events. I'm constantly having to adjust and refigure my flyers to fit to Instagram's fussy aspect ratios.

music is awful for instagram. i use it with sound off almost exclusively. i'm so out of touch that i've never used tik tok, but if i were doing sound/music stuff i would migrate to one where "sound on" is the default expectation, not something you have to ask people to do

cheers kinder - yes i'm good. i was just a bit surprised with myself for these strange uncharacteristic feelings I was getting from using Insta for only a short while. I don't like to compare myself to other people, as I say. But it does concern me that it's something I've noticed in people close to me who are much heavier Insta users, just in the way they speak and act IRL; for example one person I know who uses Insta primarily does this ironic-but-not-really thing of saying "Don't judge me" or even "I feel like people are judging me" and for a while I wondered where they were getting this from, and how serious they were being.

xp
i feel sorry for friends of mine that try to promote their music on instagram. because it's either going to come in the form of a post that can only have 1 minute of audio (or whatever it is), along with a giant square box that is an image. and they have to figure out what to put in that giant square box for a minute to give the person listening to a sample of their music something to look at while they listen. and that's really hard. and if the promoter REALLY succeeds, perhaps the instagram user will click on the bonus "reels" option to see the longer version of the song, which will also need an interesting video or image to go with it. and if all that somehow works, maybe the person will click a series of links (in the bio) to get to the bandcamp link. it's just very, very bad for musicians imo

Instagram as a restaurant's only website is my pet peeve.

― Typo? Negative! (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, October 20, 2021 4:24 PM (twenty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I have a friend who is an amazing chef and deals mainly with pop-up kitchens which do take-out and delivery but the only way you can order is through Instagram and I'm like, I'm way too out of touch for this

xp
i feel sorry for friends of mine that try to promote their music on instagram. because it's either going to come in the form of a post that can only have 1 minute of audio (or whatever it is), along with a giant square box that is an image. and they have to figure out what to put in that giant square box for a minute to give the person listening to a sample of their music something to look at while they listen. and that's really hard. and if the promoter REALLY succeeds, perhaps the instagram user will click on the bonus "reels" option to see the longer version of the song, which will also need an interesting video or image to go with it. and if all that somehow works, maybe the person will click a series of links (in the bio) to get to the bandcamp link. it's just very, very bad for musicians imo

― John Stockton buying a used car from (Karl Malone), Wednesday, October 20, 2021 4:48 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yup, OTM. I maintain we need a social network for music. One that really works well and lets artists, DJs and fans share and collaborate with each other, share events and new music aetc; possibly with a primitive DAW or four track built into it or something. Bandcamp is fine as an ecommerce site and Soundcloud is.... well, it serves a purpose, but I would love an audio equivalent of Instagram.

i'd be surprised if bandcamp doesn't start building out some kind of social network at some point for just this purpose, something that crosses what they do with what myspace used to offer for musicians.

who knows what bandcamp is going to 'do next' but my money is on 'being made much shittier so it can go up in market cap' as by far the most likely option. they don't seem to be screwing it up yet though.

i'm kind of amazed that soundcloud still allows people to post mixes. remember the era when it would take down any dj mix because of copyright? i wonder what backroom shit they had to do in order to work around that. seems like they're trying to go the spotify route with all the channels and so forth. and the subscription model i guess. their mobile app is one of the worst i've ever used, practically worthless.

i basically get off a new technology train with anything complicated that you can only do on your phone. je refuse.

i think by the time any social network has grown to the point where i'm on it, it already sucks badly

i haven't posted a new Soundcloud recording in like two years, but every so often I get an email that one of my songs violated an existing copyright and has been taken down. still! most of them covers.

my little tip for instagram is that you can post from chrome if you select developer tools and then select the mobile interface. can't select multiple images though...

i hate typing on my phone sooooo much, i refuse to learn how to do it correctly because life is too short for that bullshit.

Facebook is absolutely the worst, and people who think Instagram is worse just don't understand how to use it properly.

Facebook and Twitter make me hate humanity. (I've been on Facebook since February of 2005, fwiw, so have seen it develop into the absolute abyss it is now).

Instagram gives me some glimmers of laughter and insight, on occasion.

The one thing I really like instagram for is tattoos - you can follow artists or shops and get a real sense of what kind of work they do and the general vibe of the places. A lot of good tattooers now seem to be able to pick and choose what they work on in terms of having limited bookings for custom work or offering up flash they really want to do. Like I found a person in Chicago to do one I've wanted for ages because her work would show up in my feed and always caught my eye; there must be hundreds of shops there so other than word of mouth you'd have to visit them all in person to find someone.

It felt kind of pretentious at first to see people announcing when their books would be open to get appointments with them and listing what they were interested in doing or not doing, but it's so much better than wandering into a shop, hoping the one guy who used to work there that you heard about is still there, and then realizing he's a huge asshole while you're getting worked on.

i use Instagram 20 minutes a week to look at (and exchange forwards of) sheebs, alpacas, and guinea pigs eating bananas. The other day i clicked on the search button and i saw an enormous snail thing running on a treadmill. Fuck instagram!

i like insta for art, thirst, interior design

twitter for the takes, i mostly read tho i don't really engage

fb i don't use anymore, my network was mostly family and high school people so i ducked out 5 years ago

insta really sucks tho how it exists isolated from the rest of the web

Apparently Facebook's changing its name - any guesses?

forkbork

mindbook

I Face Everything

MyFace

Megacorp

it's gotta be something both twee and impossibly arrogant, like 'alphabet'

'townsquare' or some such

imagine telling the writers of 'terminator' in 1985 that actually cyberdyne systems will be called .... "google" as in google eyes

in the distant year of 2042, the remaining scraps of humanity has united together to try to survive against the evil corporation...Spaghetti Soup?

I don't understand the Instagram hatred, but I know I'm using Instagram "wrong" in that basically everyone I follow is either a jazz musician or someone posting pictures of jazz records. Or dogs. And I never watch anyone's "stories".

the nice thing about stories is that they go away. i do all my work in progress stuff on there and then use the normal posts for things that are "finished" (or when i'm "extremely drunk")

Mailchimp begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.

I follow a lot of people on IG— old friends from high school and college, poets, musicians, visual artists, chefs, mycologists, geologists, rock climbers, leftist shitposting accounts, rare booksellers, literary presses, magazines, etc. I take breaks a few times a year, but for the most part, I find it to be a pretty decent place for communicating with people and such.

facerovi

I find Instagram to be a nice middle ground between Facebook and Twitter in terms of absorbable content, and there's less pressure to interact at all in general which I like

I drew the line at Twitter and IG came after that so

FB is a garbage fire as well, just a matter of time

my takeaway: have a text or email contact for anyone you might wanna talk to online and/or IRL

I used to use Instagram to post photos of cocktails that I made at home, and most of the accounts that I followed were bars, bartenders, and other home mixologists, and then a small handful of friends. So it was all fairly tolerable, though when I lost interest in the cocktail-photo project, I lost interest in the platform altogether.

Yup, OTM. I maintain we need a social network for music. One that really works well and lets artists, DJs and fans share and collaborate with each other, share events and new music aetc; possibly with a primitive DAW or four track built into it or something. Bandcamp is fine as an ecommerce site and Soundcloud is.... well, it serves a purpose, but I would love an audio equivalent of Instagram.

― Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Thursday, 21 October 2021 00:52 (thirteen hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

it's been well over a decade and still nothing has filled the void that myspace left. despite its multifarious issues it really was the best and most fun space for sharing music and potentially building up a following

soundcloud had promise but once it became clear that the devs were unwilling to seriously control the proliferation of bot profiles i deleted my account

insta is p popular among more conventional instrumentalists and performers, i think. so like you get guitar players or whomever uploading 30 second video clips of some raw shreddage or whatevs

twitter is really good atm especially since so much stuff migrated over from tumblr. annoying that they now force you to have an account in order to read threads, really testing my impulse control not to start posting

As I've complained about ad nauseam in the Twitter C/D thread, you can get rid of the login popup by clearing your Twitter cookies regularly

On that note I haven't been able to view anyone's Instagram in a long time because they now seem to require a login that i don't have. I get hit with a login screen no matter what. If a restaurant used it as their website I guess I would not go to that reataurant

www.picuki.com/profile/USERNAME

is useful for grabbing instagram images.

― Kim Kimberly, Wednesday, 20 October 2021 23:33 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

usually works, if not google username + "insta viewer" or similar

my takeaway: have a text or email contact for anyone you might wanna talk to online and/or IRL

This x1000.

Grocerygroin at ilx.com

I follow a few people on Bandcamp, including our very own Ned Raggett.

If anything, Bandcamp is exactly the sort of not-social social music site I want— people will send me their profiles, I share mine, and if one gets notifications and such, it's pretty easy to put filters on the email so 99% of the emails go to a Bandcamp folder. I check it every week or so....

I don't see much lifestyle stuff on Instagram that would make me jealous. The closest to a bad feeling on there is a little sadness at seeing friends who moved to different parts of the country over the years so we can't hang out regularly except via messages. OTOH, without some kind of social media we'd be in even less contact and I wouldn't see video of them taking up competitive sailing or sonogram photos or etc..

instagram: "now you can create and share posts directly from your computer"

omg

It's weird that you can't reshare other people's posts on your Insta but you can in Facebook and you can't like or react to people''s stories in Insta but you can in Facebook. There's so much you can't do in Insta unless you have a separate app.

Like, I just want to help my friend promote their radio show by reposting the macro they made for it, but I can't actually do that. So basically all Insta content is first-party, is that the idea?

You can absolutely share it by either using a re-post app, screenshotting it and sharing that screenshot, or sharing it in your stories.

you can do that but I understand why it's not built into the platform, that wasn't the original intention of instagram. I imagine they will shove that in at some point though and then instagram will become much worse. what is good about instagram is that it is basically a personal platform; content IS first party; things don't really go 'viral' ON instagram.

your friends must not load up their stories with reposted videos of pottery techniques, wacky houses, "TONIGHT!!!" event postings, TikTok type videos where people send up their parents' old-fashioned ways, astrology content, viral cat videos, viral dog videos,

My Facebook wall has had a picture of a wrench and "Something went wrong. This may be because of a technical error that we're working to get fixed. Try reloading this page" for like a week and a half now.

Even though FB is 98% garbage, and even though I can access friends' pages and see stuff that way, I'd still like to fix it. Has anyone had this problem and fixed it? None of the solutions I've found online work.

akm, things absolutely go viral on instagram. you just don't follow the right meme pages, or follow people that repost them.

i'd say if you don't see things go viral on instagram, you're probably following the right people

otm. god bless my friends but they really love reposting internet stuff in a way i don't think will ever feel natural to me.

it's because you're a poster!

true, I actually don't look at stories at all unless someone tells me to. I find them annoying. Instagram for me is essentially endless photos of dogs.

i treat instagram posts like my public-facing "work" self, finished things, official announcements, pictures of myself where i look ok. i treat stories like my friends are reading, or people who are interested in my art - work in progress stuff, jokes, dumb polls, occasional close-up of things that look like assholes, etc

some days I forget to post on FB, and almost every day, I don't read, and I'm always happier.

essentially using Messenger and using it to keep track of events at this point, as well as communicate with the cast of the show I'm doing now (cos they refuse to use traditional email, meh)

I never read Facebook, and use a plug-in so i don't see the feed at all.

I don't see much lifestyle stuff on Instagram that would make me jealous. The closest to a bad feeling on there is a little sadness at seeing friends who moved to different parts of the country over the years so we can't hang out regularly except via messages. OTOH, without some kind of social media we'd be in even less contact and I wouldn't see video of them taking up competitive sailing or sonogram photos or etc..
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, October 21, 2021 6:01 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

It's weird that you can't reshare other people's posts on your Insta but you can in Facebook and you can't like or react to people''s stories in Insta but you can in Facebook. There's so much you can't do in Insta unless you have a separate app.

― Urbandn hope all ye who enter here (dog latin), Friday, October 22, 2021 4:51 AM (nine hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

https://slate.com/technology/2021/10/horror-of-facebook.html

very cool!

Lmao oh they're doing this now pic.twitter.com/GoVhTKTPyC

— Teddie (@TeddieRedder) February 16, 2022

I don't know where to put this so I'm putting it here.

https://i.imgur.com/FyKAI2q.png

Oh my god

I'm signed up with a couple of ghostwriting companies so occasionally I get offers to pitch projects. This one just landed in my inbox:

Masculine Self Improvement Book Project

We are seeking a writer to work with a tech entrepreneur on a book teaching men to find success in love, life and their careers by tapping into primal masculine instincts.

CLIENT: The client is a former tech entrepreneur

SUBJECT: The client was very successful in tech who sold his social media platform in 2020, and as his next chapter wants to advise other men on how they can find success in their own lives by tapping into and honoring their primal masculine instincts. He's created a concept and outline for a book based around a 3-tiered pyramid system—on the lowest level are fulfilling basic, primitive functions that form the foundation for masculine success (e.g. hunting, fire building, taking care of their cave—all of which he argues have equivalent functions in the modern day), on the second level is building a strong sense of self via self-respect and leadership, and on the third level is putting it all into practice to improve performance on the dating scene, in the bedroom and in the workplace. He's working to work with an experienced writer who can help him turn his vision into a complete book, which he intends to custom or self publish.

SCOPE: The writer will draw on interviews with the client to write a complete manuscript.

BUDGET: In the range of $30k-$60k for bookwriting

WRITER PROFILE: The ideal collaborator for this will: 1) have written successful, well-received self-help books, particularly any intended for male audiences 2) be comfortable writing a book that promotes traditional masculinity as an ideal to aspire to and treats masculinity and femininity as distinct and complementary 3) be available to start immediately

the third level is putting it all into practice to improve performance on the dating scene, in the bedroom and in the workplace.

ok this part is kind of genius

First, let me “take care of my cave”

“Picks up iPhone and adjusts wi-fi lights in the bedroom to ~executive nitez~ custom preset”

would be tempted to accept the job and fill it with insulting acrostics

Apparently parler sucks too

i really wish there was a way to poison tweets

Which is the preferred depilatory to use when taking care of my cave?

"fire building, taking care of their cave"
So, things women do?

hunting, fire building, taking care of their cave—all of which he argues have equivalent functions in the modern day

Hunting: modern-day equivalent is pillow fights
fire-building: slow-cooking a lentil casserole
taking care of their cave: being a team leader for a mortgage provider, who also washes everyone's cups in the workplace kitchen

good cave boundaries make good neighbors

still wondering who uses Signal!

Batman

what's wrong with signal

i hate to ask because i know you already tried, but just in case -- did you try restarting it?

Signal for a time seemed to be "where to buy" "neti pot, kombucha," if you catch my drift

group chat wanted to use telegram, but I said no to any CCCP CP.

so now we're on signal.

Do real people use Slack and discord

I think there's still generally a business/gaming divide between those two

The midjourney Discord is like the world’s worst IRC server because of the volume. I’m suspicious there’s not a Discord middle ground, it’s either dead or thousands of people screaming into the void ala Twitch chat.

I use slack, discord and signal, but I am not a real person.

still wondering who uses Signal!

― | (Latham Green), Tuesday, 18 October 2022 19:16 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Batman

― stank viola (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 18 October 2022 19:22 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

lol

I'm not real either! It is liberating to realize

Batman uses Batbook
Robin is so sick of his shit

Signal is great for u know what

sex?

I don't talk to anyone on signal except for the same eight people, but man, y'all are making me curious.

taking sides - Muskker va Signal

https://www.engadget.com/elon-musk-twitter-signal-000946031.html

Signal has been great for a long-distance relationship, just talking back and forth in an ongoing way (vs. texting, calls, emails, whatever.). Not sure if this is the same as WeChat, other than that it’s encrypted.

sex?

Or the overthrow of the government, either/or.

Why has WhatsApp never taken off in the U.S.? It seems ubiquitous in other countries.

Why has WhatsApp never taken off in the U.S.? It seems ubiquitous in other countries.

It's extremely popular among immigrants from Central and South America, and probably Africa as well (all the African musicians I know contact me via WhatsApp).

My job uses WhatsApp because we have a lot of India/Philippines colleagues

That Budweiser ad campaign. Not enough time has passed to recover

Bud
Weis
Fuel can't melt steel

WhatsApp a Facebook app is why I steer clear.

for group & individual chat in China I used Wechat, in the UK I use WhatsApp, what do people use in the US if not WhatsApp?

two separate threads on ilxor.com

but my mum isn't on ilxor.com (or is she?)

maybe there shoul dbe a thread about Signal

only Signal I care about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqF4Qtz7BkM

https://sourceforge.net/software/compare/Discord-vs-Signal-vs-Slack-vs-WeChat/

only Discord I care about

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiiqVFsz0dE

a very frantic song

don't have any fav songs about wechat or whatsapp but might be able to find one about slack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9xjj4LV6G0

still relevant:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl1CsAdfaLk

Jim Cramer is tearing up over $META

Generational bottom in process pic.twitter.com/3tICGm6qoi

— Inverse Cramer ETF (Not Jim Cramer) (@CramerTracker) October 27, 2022

"Let me say this: I made a mistake here. I was wrong. I trusted this management team. That was ill-advised. The hubris here is extraordinary, and I apologize," Cramer said. "OK," said Faber. "What did you get wrong?"
Cramer explained that he did not expect Meta to spend as much as it had, calling it "almost a rogue situation."
"What did I get wrong?" he said, visibly choking up. "I trusted them, not myself. For that I regret. I've been in this business for 40 years, and I did a bad job. I'm not proud."

HE MADE A MISTAKE

don't have any fav songs about wechat or whatsapp but might be able to find one about slack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TzdnH3GZ2o

Why has WhatsApp never taken off in the U.S.? It seems ubiquitous in other countries.

there's a huge first mover advantage with this stuff - whatsapp got to a lot of the world before fb or anything else did (before fb acquired it), while fb messenger is still fairly popular (the most popular? idk) in the usa. it's also why line is the most popular in japan/taiwan/thailand, and why kakaotalk is the most popular in south korea.

i remember teaching a class at columbia the day whatsapp was acquired (2013?) and going into the class and saying to 20 students "did you hear how much facebook paid for whatsapp? crazy right?" and the only one who had even heard of whatsapp was from iran.

So you're saying it didn't devolve into a bad "who's on first" routine?

ha!

is whatsapp just a messenger? when i had it, i just used it to message people, but apparently things "go viral" on whatsapp

think of it like something going viral via email forwards

kind of. it has a "forward" feature which boomers use, and the groups can get very large (e.g. conservative MPs famously use it).

maximum group size is 512. (imessage is 32 by comparison.)

The only reason I have WhatsApp is because I don't have an iPhone, so it's the easiest cheap way for me to communicate with family overseas.

like a discord

xp
yeah groups mean you don't have to type out a bunch of people's addresses, but the basic principle is still the same, no? hence the word "forward" enduring. It's much faster and scaled-up ofc, but my point was virality originated in messaging media so it's not surprising or new. I haven't been on it in years though, so maybe I'm missing something

I don't think with Whatsapp that you can join topic-based servers filled with randos like on Discord, but I genuinely don't know if that's right

you can't. it's basically imessage but with a better UX for large groups and no fear that someone with green bubbles will mess things up, and a thing called "broadcast lists" which are groups where only one person can post (schools and daycares like those IIUC).

interesting correction to my "virality originated in messaging media" claim that I just remembered: https://viraltexts.org/

Genuinely had no idea WhatsApp wasn’t popular in America. My account dates back to 2009/2010(?), when I had a blackberry (lol) and WhatsApp was the only app that allowed you to talk cross platform with friends on iPhone and Android.

i use whatsapp for chats with my husband and no one else. i have absolutely no idea or recollection as to how that happened, and i don't care. thanks for listening.

I also use WhatsApp for family chats to include family living overseas.

I have a bunch of different groups on Whatsapp (basically the only social I'm still on if it even counts): family, teacher mates, a group of old-school friends (some of whom are abroad), a bunch of people into cricket, a group specifically for soul music shares, etc. They're all active, some daily, some weekly.

First got WhatsApp when I had a baby and it was a good way of keeping in touch with my NCT group... so nearly 8 years ago. Like kettles, I had no idea Americans don't use it...

it was "sold" to me as phone messaging you can do on Wifi instead of using/ paying for SMS. Something like Facebook messenger has never been as widely used or simple to use imo.

People pay per text???????

PS I am an ignorant American

A long time ago you paid for phone minutes and texts. Now iirc it's more common to have a contract with a set number of minutes and texts allowed and charged per if you go over - but that still might be outdated, I dunno, I think I have unlimited texts now and possibly unlimited minutes - who even texts any more? Things have changed a lot in the last 8 years but WhatsApp still covers most bases.

When I lived in the US you had to pay to RECEIVE a text as well - if you had a pay-as-you-go plan. Never had that in the UK!

I like texting because there is no read receipt functionality, unlike WhatsApp. I like the idea of sending a message out there into the ether and not knowing when or even if it will be picked up and read. Also I turn my 4G off when I'm out of the house so I've trained my family to text me if they want to contact me when I'm out.

otm. Can't believe that "last seen" online business with whatsapp. You can turn that off but not the read receipts.

Text and call minute limits are a not so distant memory in Canada, to the point where every single current plan by every provider boasts "unlimited calling and texting!".. Other than some lower tier ones that might still have a very limited $15 a month rate. It's generally all about the gigos now, $50 a month for 6gb and whatnot on the website rates, with more reasonable prices traded in whispers at kiosks.

I'm picking up a new sim card today. God bless.

You can turn read receipts off in WhatsApp, it's right there in privacy settings. On my version at least.

so there is! done. cheers

I like the idea of sending a message out there into the ether and not knowing when or even if it will be picked up and read.

I've actually just bought a house phone... which will function as a landline pretty much, but without the line rental I refuse to pay. I'll put a PAYG sim in it and just remember to use it twice a year or so so it doesn't expire. Thought it might be useful to have something the kids can use in an emergency etc. It's like an office phone and it receives SMS!

$50 a month for 6GB

Is that a contract where you're also paying for your phone?

Because I pay £8 a month for 20GB and unlimited calls & tets

yep mine is £10 for 30gb, unlimited calls and texts

nope, no contract or phone subsidy

$50 for me for unlimited data, calls and texts. (They apparently throttle you at the 60 gig mark, but I've never used more than 20 in a month.)

US 5-10x more expensive than most of Europe

https://www.cable.co.uk/mobiles/worldwide-data-pricing/

Yeah, gotta love our phone cartels. U-S-A!

Mark Zuckerberg Quietly Buries the Metaverse

There will be no press release, no big announcement, as he would have to acknowledge that he was wrong.

But make no mistake: Mark Zuckerberg just buried the metaverse. The metaverse is dead.

The metaverse was supposed to be the Next Big Thing for the social-media tycoon, who in 2021 went so far as to rename his empire -- created from Facebook, Instagram and WhatsApp -- as Meta Platforms.

Simply put, the metaverse is an immersive virtual world in which we are supposed to interact with each other using specialized glasses and virtual-reality headsets.

It was the future of technology, according to Zuckerberg, whom Tesla CEO Elon Musk dubbed "Zuck the Fourteenth" in an apparent nod to the French king Louis the XIV, famous for his hubris and excess.

...

Zuckerberg has just held the funeral by turning to the next big shiny thing, namely artificial intelligence.

"We're creating a new top-level product group at Meta focused on generative AI to turbocharge our work in this area," Zuckerberg said in a Feb. 27 post on Facebook.

"We're starting by pulling together a lot of the teams working on generative AI across the company into one group focused on building delightful experiences around this technology. ...

"In the short term, we'll focus on building creative and expressive tools," he wrote. "Over the longer term, we'll focus on developing AI personas that can help people in a variety of ways."

The legacy of the metaverse remains because Meta will continue to develop remnants of this virtual world, such as headsets, but it will be more for a target audience, such as videogamers and the crypto world.

Meta will continue to develop remnants of this virtual world, such as headsets, but it will be more for a target audience, such as videogamers and the crypto world.

makes sense for the games - i don't have a VR unit but i think the new gran turismo 7 looks pretty incredible; i think VR games are here to stay.

what is the metaverse use case for crypto, though?

swimming in a virtual money bin a la Uncle Scrooge

it's skins

Fun little read but I don't see much to actually support the headline. No real indication that new "top-level product group" is taking resources from metaverse.

what is the metaverse use case for crypto, though?

nfts originated as part of a virtual world game, so they could try to monetize that approach by running their own roulette crypto table.

yikes: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/oct/20/instagram-palestinian-user-profile-bios-terrorist-added-translation-meta-apology

almost impressed at the baldfacedness of claiming this was a bug

"sometime last night, the core software Instagram runs on became racist"

Facebook is really dead, isn't it? I barely open it anymore. last time I posted a status update, I noticed that over a month had gone by since my prior update. When I scroll through my feed it's 2/3 ads and junk content, 1/3 the same 10 people, none of whom are even close friends or family.

Thought I would see how long it took to see a post from a friend on Facebook. Scrolled past

* 3 posts from groups/pages I follow
* 12 ads
* 5 posts from people I don't know or follow
* 22 posts from groups/pages I don't follow

Before I found my first post from a friend, the 45th post in total, not counting the reels (also not from friends)

(just posted that on fb an hour ago! synchronicity!)

My feed right now

1 post from college friend I haven't seen in 15 years

8 ads/junk posts/media posts in a row

1 post from guy who briefly played in my band and photographed my wedding

9 junk/media/group posts in a row

1 post from college friend I haven't seen in 20 years

10 junk/media/group posts

1 post from dude I only know through facebook, and barely

And it just goes on like that for probably hundreds of posts - in fact I gave up before I found a single update from someone I'd legit call a friend that I've actually seen in the last decade, a family member (other than one from my wife's aunt), or even a neighbor.

It's full of junk unless you go to "menu" and "feeds". Then it's only half-full of junk and people you used to know

it's Facebook

https://bsky.app/profile/mims.bsky.social/post/3lfd4tl2tl22k

billionaires all ended up becoming the same person

"People that aren't tapping into the MetaVerse are obviously virtue signalling..."

*sent while e-wakefoiling on Lake Tahoe*

https://i.imgur.com/77pFcZp.png