Rolling Thread on Race 2020

Let's start this thread right: http://lanthorn.com/73049/sports/inside-the-mind-of-gvsus-newest-offensive-coordinator/

KV: So you graduated from Drury with a degree in History, you’re a history guy. If you could have dinner with three historical figures, living or dead, who would they be? And I’m ruling out football figures.

MB: This is probably not going to get a good review, but I’m going to say Adolf Hitler. It was obviously very sad and he had bad motives, but the way he was able to lead was second-to-none. How he rallied a group and a following, I want to know how he did that. Bad intentions of course, but you can’t deny he wasn’t a great leader.

Stealing this joke from elsewhere and paraphasing: I think this guy has misunderstood his job title

lol

I just realized from reading the comments that today is International Holocaust Remembrance Day, which

this might not be the most sober or serious content for the race thread, but that quote reminds me: I used to live with a Mexican guy with an edgy sense of humor, and he liked to throw one-liners like "why do we always focus on the bad things Hitler did?" around. Some time later I was working as a treeplanter deep in northern BC, and when you're stuck with younger people doing manual labor for hours at a time in the hot sun you find yourself just aimlessly blabbing. So I unthinkingly used the line on a Quebecois co-worker who immediately replied with "I know, right?!" Not my best summer.

Imagine being able to have dinner with Hitler and that that's what you ask him

Adolf, who are your guys?

"I studied history, and-"
"Go study some more."

it's true, how come no one ever talks about how nice he was to Geli Raubal

xps

https://www.theroot.com/high-school-student-expelled-for-smelling-like-weed-des-1841332204

https://www.classicfm.com/music-news/santa-cecilia-bans-oriental-students-coronavirus/

It's not just the US that's fucked

Also, an update from GVSU: http://lanthorn.com/73412/news/gv-suspends-football-offensive-coordinator-following-comments-about-hitler/

Hitler was a shitty leader imo

from the comments:

Coach Berger did not give a wrong answer. Hitler was a great leader. 100% wrong. But almost a whole country followed this lunatic. I find it intriguing Hitlers idea of The Great Race that so many were on the band wagon to join him. How can people now not wonder about that. Hitler was not a Guru or a Self proclaimed prophet just a guy with an idea. Although once Hitlers ball got rolling…. it was hard to get off and rebel.

A leader with an idea and everyone followed. That is the basic answer I think for Coach Berger answer

This is why the existence of "leadership" degrees and programs is a travesty.

Although once Hitlers ball got rolling…. it was hard to get off and rebel

endless lols

just a guy with an idea

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-31/sanders-rivals-biden-for-top-spot-nationally-campaign-update

I guess Booker could have gotten that rule change if he'd been an old white billionaire

Although once Hitlers ball got rolling…. it was hard to get off and rebel

He did as best he could considering he only had one (the other was in the Albert Hall, I believe)

getting a bunch of people to do a thing = great leadership.

Other great leaders include Jim Jones, Charles Manson...

even if you're a morally reprehensible scumbag and worship at the altar of "leadership" like he made tons of dumbass decisions and left Germany in ruins! how hard is it for these dickheads

Shot his dog and then shot himself, that's something to aspire to.

got the order wrong even then

Leadership through pervasive fear and brutal coercion has always been a favorite among aspiring leaders.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/02/03/magazine/henry-louis-gates-jr-interview.html

Then when you actually had the “beer summit,” did President Obama say anything helpful, or was that whole thing pro forma? Oh, that’s interesting. I was at Martha’s Vineyard, and I had been getting instructions from the White House, through Glenn Hutchins. They told me not to wear a bespoke suit. “We don’t want it to be about class.” All of the sudden I was the upper-class black person against the working class. I go, “I’m the victim!” They go, “No, don’t wear one of those suits.” I go: “These are the only suits I have. I’m not going out to Sears and Roebuck and buying a suit.” Then they go, “Do not fly down in a private plane.” Glenn Hutchins owns a private plane. Glenn’s a billionaire. He’s one of my best friends. The only way we could get to Washington was on Glenn’s plane, because there was fog. Anyway, we got to the White House, and we and Sgt. Crowley’s family all got to the library at the same time. I walked over to Sgt. Crowley. He had his kids there, and I said to them: “Hi, I’m Professor Gates. Hope you come to Harvard one day. Maybe you’ll take one of my classes.” Then I said to him, “Can I have a word with you?” He and I went off and did the beer summit ourselves. I said, “Look, I don’t know about you, man, but I just want this to go away.” He goes, “This is a nightmare.” I said to him: “The president has come under attack. Racism’s coming out of the floor. I’m sure you’re a decent person. I forgive you. Let’s move on.” He goes, “That would be the best thing that could happen.” I said, “Maybe we could find a way to lecture about it.” He laughed and said, “Anything I can do to get off the beat.” I realized he was funny. I think that gay people have a sense of who’s homophobic. I think that Jewish people have a sense of who’s anti-Semitic. I definitely think black people — I could walk out there and tell you, “That [ expletive ] is a racist.”

And you’re saying you didn’t get that vibe from Sgt. Crowley? I didn’t get that vibe from him. When we were called into the Oval Office, I said to the president, “Mr. President, we had a great conversation in the library.” He said, “Oh, it sounds like it’s all settled.” The actual beer summit was us doing small talk. And the reason Joe Biden was there is that the Cambridge police had insisted that because there were going to be two black guys at the table, they wanted two white guys at the table! They had sent somebody involved in the Cambridge police structure to be there. As we were walking out to the Rose Garden, somehow that guy got pushed to the side, and Joe Biden jumped in the line. That’s what nobody ever figured out: Why is Biden at the table? He was there to be the second white guy.

man I would LOVE to talk to Professor Gates about this whole shitshow

also biden

kinda not even kidding

Greyhound bus driver otm

Witnesses said a bus driver told an ICE agent to “gargle [his] balls” when the latter requested to enter the bus https://t.co/N1QnEuBLXk

— corpse (@thefurrow) February 22, 2020

I feel like this tweet needs some love

On Wednesday, Camille Gallo, the regional press secretary for the National Republican Congressional Committee, which works to elect Republicans to the House of Representatives, tweeted out that the NRCC was trolling McBath over Bloomberg's comments. To drive home that they believed her seat was bought and paid for, Gallo apparently sent McBath a "For Sale" sign with her name on it.

(Lucy McBath is a black Dem representative from GA whose son was murdered via gun violence)

These people are scabrous

Classic projection. Where is the anti-2A funder that could POSSIBLY pay as much as the NRA already routinely does?

that's Bloomberg tbh

https://blavity.com/a-black-georgia-man-going-for-a-run-was-followed-and-killed-by-two-white-men-who-thought-he-was-a-burglary-suspect

What’s so fucked about it, alongside everythingeverything else, is that there evidently needs to be minute-by-minute video of his assassination before there’s enough hackles raised to ... what? Eventually convene a grand jury?

fuck if there were no video they probably would have treated these guys like hero crime stoppers or some shit.

the contrast between this innocent man getting chased down and murdered because he "fit a description" of a burglar to the armed racist storming state capitals with no repercussions is fucking insane.

To me, this case speaks so baldly about the inequitable burdens of evidence required to achieve justice a racist system.

The injustice against Arbury, and the fact of innocence, is only made semi-credible when a (mostly white) audience has consumed videos of his violent and unprovoked murder. (Which, like, why?)

Meanwhile, the McMichaels father/son who hopped in a pickup truck to hunt him down during quarantine, wielding multiple weapons, weren't arrested due to an ostensible lack of probable cause, and are now entitled to a Grand Fucking Jury being convened to offer them all possible fairnesses.

Oh, and the lead BBC, USA Today, and Fox articles on the case have JOSEPH BIDEN as the photo at the top of their story.

fuck if there were no video they probably would have treated these guys like hero crime stoppers or some shit.

― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, May 6, 2020 11:09 AM (forty-six minutes ago)

they were; the atty general initially said it was a clear case of self-defense

that's horrifying.

fucking awful. RIP Ahmaud Arbery. and it's awful having no confidence that justice will be served.

infuriating:

The DA that charged this black woman for felony voter fraud and took her to trial TWICE is the same DA that chose NOT to arrest the McMichaels for murdering Ahmaud Arbery, despite seeing the video of his death. https://t.co/2cor4ezvEJ

— josie duffy rice (@jduffyrice) May 7, 2020

the DA is George Barnhill, why does nobody in the thread name him? He recused himself but damn.
https://georgiarecorder.com/2020/05/07/bookman-waycross-das-judgment-of-brunswick-shooting-video-insane/
https://georgiarecorder.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Barnhill-letter-Brunswick-shooting.pdf

what an absolute piece of shit.

https://www.runwithmaud.com

That's run by Shaun King, isn't it?

A friend of mine wrote this on FB, which is one of the best things I've read this week. (He's not big on paragraph breaks, jsyk.) It's infuriating but it connects and illuminates a lot of things.

https://www.facebook.com/muziqkal/posts/10108399157812305

NEW: 40 People Were Arrested on Social Distancing Violations. 35 Were Black.https://t.co/U7J9X1RNLr
Scoop by @AshleyAtTimes

— Cliff Levy (@cliffordlevy) May 7, 2020

That's run by Shaun King, isn't it?

― DJP, Thursday, May 7, 2020 12:19 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

oh, I hadn't realized that, can see that is the case from his twitter

I'm not finished reading this (it's lllllooooonnnnnggggg) but I'm sharing the link because it's fascinating.

The McMichaels have been arrested and charged with murder: https://www.ajc.com/news/local/father-son-charged-with-murder-brunswick-shooting/tWjmSXAeWlD2LKIN1dSmfK/

https://www.theroot.com/anti-lockdown-demonstrators-walk-into-north-carolina-su-1843390241

"trash people" is a pretty good evocation of that shitshow

Hope someone pushes them in front of an actual train

props for the joke at the end of that lol

omg lol

I hadn't watched the video, loooooooooooool

Since about a year before Trump was elected, I've been working (professionally) with a narrowing focus on DEI issues in public education. It's been a hard road, at times, but some of the work my team has been doing was finally starting to pay-off. And then came Covid, and then ... people got locked down with their own families, and most people got trapped in places where they found themselves surrounded by people who looked like them, reflected their values back to them, and shared class/race characteristics with them. Shared spaces / spaces where you can't choose your co-users were diminished, and will be re-defined at their eventual openings. And I can't help but think that this country's social and racial problems are going to take an enormous step backward because of the echo-chamber effect, and that NC shit is the first of many impending violences.

ffs

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/black-woman-shot-killed-after-kentucky-police-entered-her-home-n1205651

charging the boyfriend for attempted murder of the cop is extra fucked.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/oklahoma-delivery-man-blocked-homeowner-group-president-thinks-it-was-n1207221

wow!

https://abcnews.go.com/US/man-filmed-shooting-ahmaud-arbery-charged-murder/story?id=70820910

that's very confusing. so the guy who shot the video is also now an accomplice to the murder?

yeah, because he appeared to be aware of the pursuit from the beginning (since he was able to join the pursuit at a moment's notice, and was filming from the very beginning), and he purposefully recorded it to absolve his friends (the McMichaels) of the murder, cos he inexplicably thought it would.

he's as big a piece of garbage as they are.

jesus.

quite a day for amy cooper

Amy Cooper told NBC New York she overreacted during the incident, but said she felt threatened and did not know what was in the dog treats.

this, linked off one of the many tweets on the incident in question, bears a read:
https://sociology.yale.edu/sites/default/files/pages_from_sre-11_rev5_printer_files.pdf

fuck Amy Cooper and I hope she loses her job and goes to jail over this.

(but of course the latter won't happen)

2020, where a white person can consciously and confidently weaponize the racial politics of "I felt threatened" while *knowing they are being recorded* and know the worst that will happen is they're given a 10 day timeout from their job and a scolding from the cops.

her apology is much better than many. i don't see a single 'if'

'I sincerely and humbly apologize to everyone, especially to that man, his family.

'It was unacceptable and I humbly and fully apologize to everyone who's seen that video, everyone that's been offended…everyone who thinks of me in a lower light and I understand why they do.

'When I think about the police, I'm such a blessed person. I've come to realize especially today that I think of [the police] as a protection agency, and unfortunately, this has caused me to realize that there are so many people in this country that don't have that luxury.'

It's horrible that without thinking she just knows how much of a threat it is to him to say she'll call the cops and mention his race. Not "I'm calling the cops" but "I'm calling the cops and telling them you're a black man and we both know how that story might end for you"

In reading about this, I found a white-presenting Twitter socialist proudly and triumphantly telling a right-wing troll that she found Never Trumpers more reprehensible than pro-Trumpers, which I think tells you almost everything you need to know about race in 2020

Also, the number of white people saying "and did you see how she treated that dog? man I hope the dog is okay, I'm really concerned about it"

I've been seeing some bulltshit spin this morning that essentially boils down to "she was a woman alone in Central Park, of course she would feel threatened".

I'm having trouble taking her apology seriously. Any VEEP at a major firm like she is is trained at work in the art of writing apologies, right down to what phrasing to use, what to exclude/include. The fact that her apology seemed more genuine is likely due to her years of experience crafting apology letters to clients.

But to acknowledge you are intentionally weaponizing your white privilege in an attempt to blackmail the other party into doing what you say...all while YOU KNOW YOU'RE BEING filmed...is not only racist af, but it's basically a death threat.

She purposefully included "African American" in the descriptor she claimed she would use on the 911 call, knowing the other party would interpret that as the possibility he'd be shot by police.

She's sorry cos she doesn't want to lose her cushy job or be "@"ed on Twitter

it would be cool if there was a reasonable expectation she'd actually be charged with false reporting, which last I checked is a crime, so people would feel less compelled to crowdsource some strange form of justice online

As I told a friend last night, people won't stop weaponizing 911 until they actually are hit with a major penalty for doing so.

True, a Veep who doesn't want her career destroyed might take pause before doing it again, but the average person who does this doesn't have a great job (or a job at all), or might be self-employed. Not gonna deter people like them.

Jail time might not phase some, but the average person we've seen do this doesn't seem like they could last 5 minutes in a cell.

Really wish she'd serve time. Even a weekend in jail

Totally agree with all that, I was just struck by the disconnect in the reprehensible behavior that was filmed and the self-awareness and consideration her apology seems to demonstrate. Not that her apology does much good to anybody but herself at this point

so She was strangling the dog.

Autocorrect, damnit! xp not so.

"I'm not a racist. I did not mean to harm that man in any way," she said, adding that she also didn't mean any harm to the African American community.

fuck this person

franklin templeton has canned her

no doubt tucker c. is booking her right now

what good would tucker get from her? she already admitted to being in the wrong. this story is too straight-forward imo to make good culture war kindling

Don't underestimate the ability of Fox to turn her into the real victim here.

Just had a split-second flashback to the MAGA-hatted teen smirking at a Native American activist near the Lincoln Memorial back in January 2019, i.e. several galactic eons ago. The intensity of the outrage is directly proportional to the depth of the oblivion into which it evaporates, almost immediately.

four mpls cops fired

that's good but i hope there is further accountability

what good would tucker get from her? she already admitted to being in the wrong. this story is too straight-forward imo to make good culture war kindling

― Mordy, Tuesday, May 26, 2020 2:44 PM (fifty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

unfortunately you are already starting to see the jackasses come out with "he was carrying those dog treats, clearly he is looking for confrontation" as if a) that makes any sense whatsoever b) that has any bearing on anything at all

they'll find out the bird-watching man got a parking ticket in 1982

it's so cut and dried the nazis on 4chan have resorted to speculating that cooper is jewish

glad those cops were fired but this is straight up murder

four mpls cops fired at, with guns

fixed it

(tbc I don't actually want anyone dead but it is horrible that firings are all that ever seem to come of these things, when we're "lucky")

unfortunately you are already starting to see the jackasses come out with "he was carrying those dog treats, clearly he is looking for confrontation" as if a) that makes any sense whatsoever b) that has any bearing on anything at all

dude said "When I try to give unleashed dogs a treat, their owners leash them, which is what I wanted in the first place" which is 100% genius behavior-hacking

fucked up story of course, but I also found that bit inspiring

it's a smart response honestly

this guy has made birdwatching cool again, and thus deserves to be Time's person of the year

glad those cops were fired but this is straight up murder

― frogbs, Tuesday, May 26, 2020 3:49 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I'm hoping this will make any ensuing FBI investigation and charges easier, as they will no longer have the police union's protection.

I rarely (never?) post on this thread, so I don't know if this would be considered frivolous.

http://www.cnn.com/2020/05/26/entertainment/jimmy-fallon-apology/index.html

if you're wondering why "make whites great again" is trending on twitter,

Here is Derek Chauvin, the racist cop who kept his knee on #GeorgeFloyd’s neck, cut off his air passage and murdered him, wearing a “Make Whites Great Again” hat, a clear sign that this piece of excrement should’ve been taken off the streets a long time ago.#JusticeForFloyd pic.twitter.com/KxGxHAIzlH

— Bishop Talbert Swan (@TalbertSwan) May 27, 2020

Just had a split-second flashback to the MAGA-hatted teen smirking at a Native American activist near the Lincoln Memorial back in January 2019, i.e. several galactic eons ago

If you remember correctly, the commentariat decided it was OK for him to be up in the face of an old guy because elsewhere on the National Mall and the Black Hebrews had yelled at him several minutes earlier

apparently that's not actually him. seem to be some pics of him front & center at a Trump rally though

I rarely (never?) post on this thread, so I don't know if this would be considered frivolous.
http://www.cnn.com/2020/05/26/entertainment/jimmy-fallon-apology/index.html

fwiw Fallon (who I assume was a 1st year cast member at the time?) probably isn't the person to be upset at for this, a bunch of writers & Lorne Michaels had to sign off on that

If you remember correctly, the commentariat decided it was OK for him to be up in the face of an old guy because elsewhere on the National Mall and the Black Hebrews had yelled at him several minutes earlier.

iirc the old guy came up to the kid and the internet libs went crazy about a minor making a face that reminded them of bullies in high school. that incident imo was shameful + has v little to do with cooper or the minneapolis killing which were serious crimes and not the fever dreams of angry twitterers.

that's... one reading of it

maybe none of us rc

The man on the right isn’t Derek Chauvin. He isn’t a cop. He is Jonathan Lee Riches, a notorious con man, troll and prankster, not to mention the "world's most litigious man." Riches injects himself, indefensibly, into tragic news events, even if it means going to prison. https://t.co/Y66mXihrYB

— Luke O'Brien (@lukeobrien) May 27, 2020

sorry for introducing that into the thread. shit is bad enough without introducing whatever the hell is going on with that dude

(but thank you to symsymsym and frogbs for pointing it out)

iirc the old guy came up to the kid and the internet libs went crazy about a minor making a face that reminded them of bullies in high school. that incident imo was shameful

what the fuck is wrong with you

just credulously (I hope) repeating the 4chan/fox news line here

oh no don't cancel me plz mister

too late

did you get outraged over that scary muslim woman yelling at poor pregnant chelsea too

on a lighter (?) note, here's Christian Cooper's measured response following Amy Cooper's firing
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/26/nyregion/amy-cooper-dog-central-park.html

“I am one of the few male African-Americans who birds the Ramble regularly,” he said. “And I have always been aware that if I am crawling around behind a shrub trying to catch a glimpse of that rare bird, holding a metal object in my hands, I will be perceived differently than a white man if police come across that scene. I didn’t want to kowtow to that, I didn’t want to give it any power,” he added. “I am pretty adamant about not being a participant in my own dehumanization.”

“It’s a little bit of a frenzy, and I am uncomfortable with that,” he said. “If our goal is to change the underlying factors, I am not sure that this young woman having her life completely torn apart serves that goal.”

or, alternately, Damon Young's brief meditation on forgiveness

https://verysmartbrothas.theroot.com/thoughts-on-forgiving-amy-cooper-aka-darth-karen-who-1843701476

^^^v thought-provoking and dignified piece

I have to admit I'm almost convinced by that.

enjoyed that quite a bit

https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/29/us/black-parents-children-safety-talk-blake/index.html

WNYC putting David Brooks on to talk about moral leadership is odious

feel like wnyc has lost their way a bit

And I’ll just leave this here.

And not one of these other actors spoke up for me and the fact I was not on here, being as well known as most of them. pic.twitter.com/z3t3rXPBNy

— Noel Clarke (@NoelClarke) May 29, 2020

poor Mickey!
naw really that is lame

FYI: I’m not impressed with the violence. I’m not impressed with the looting… I am Fn Happy as Hell!! That the people finally Stood Up Nationally to the BS..

— ICE T (@FINALLEVEL) May 31, 2020

Meanwhile, in Britain:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/01/uk-police-accused-of-targeting-black-people-during-lockdown

xp: I have never been so uncomfortable surrounded by NYPD as when I attended Ice-T's Body Count show in the '90s, which brought out extra "Cop Killer" Blue Wall ... not until OWS. It sort of crystallized my contempt for cops.

and i share that, but now is when the world needs cops like you would be, because still, imo.

Skai Jackson is spending the day on Twitter ruining the lives of racist high schoolers by identifying them along with their online racism and it's kind of hilarious

In more direct news, one of my coworkers is fundraising for the Black Lives Matter Foundation

https://www.gofundme.com/f/zdku77-black-lives-matter

Here is a weird one. my friend (who is white), just posted a graphic today of an exchange with a business owner, calling for boycott. one of his employees has a picture of a license plate that says Florida Cracker, and the friend claims that cracker means "slave owner", and thus this employee is bragging about being a slave owner. when she reported it tot he owner, he was confused, so she posted the conversation and asked us to boycott the business since he didn't terminate or discipline the employee.

I can't find any corroboration on the idea of cracker meaning "slave owner", as it was usually used to describe poor white people, plus it runs counter to what I've always been told about what 'cracker' mean, and I've always understood "Florida cracker" to be something completely different. Am I missing something?

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2013/07/01/197644761/word-watch-on-crackers

https://tampamagazines.com/florida-cracker-cowboys-history/

Yeah I think your friend is confused. They will feel pretty bad when they figure it out

In Florida, we don't leave crackers on the counter for fear of ants and roaches iirc

on the plus side, though, last week she did get an unrepentant, virulent FB racist who was saying some really vile shit fired from a local eatery after going to the owner and sharing the employee's dirty work with him so....I commend her for that.

lol Alfred

I always thought cracker = whip-cracker and def associated with slavery in that sense, like enforcer if not owner

in fact I never really gave it this much thought before but I wonder if it has an even more nuanced meaning, like the "cracker" is not the rich white slave owner, but the lower status white who takes the job as enforcer and deserves special contempt for taking the side of the oppressor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cracker_(term)

sounds like maybe all of the above

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cracker_(term)

xp lol, sorry man alive

just saw that.

compounding things even more is this person's plate clearly said Florida Cracker, which....is apparently its own separate thing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_cracker

ugh slang is so confusing

I suppose I assumed “cracker” came from crackers the food being uh. White-ish. And dry.

Good craic.

xpost i like that reading.

I think it's a good example of how multi-layered language can be. Like it may well be that certain southern whites were referred to as "crackers" for reasons having nothing to do with whip-cracking or being white and dry like a cracker, and that the same term was also repurposed for its double entendre.

ftr although I am white I am not dry, I’m quite oily

my pores are terrible lately.

pore whites

Cautiously optimistic.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/20/us/lynching-federal-hate-crime.html?smid=fb-share&fbclid=IwAR2TwOoJvvDHnyTejdeEq63cmIje3J0DcYQX4uESG1_lYduE5c55srfWCjk

that story's from 2018, I won't spoil things for you if you're not caught up yet

a point answered on another thread:

Raymond that appears to be from 2018?

― sleeve, Sunday, June 7, 2020 10:39 PM (fifty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah there was a Lynching bill that passed the Senate unanimously in 2018, but it expired because the House didn't pass it by the time Congress ended, and that's what the article is talking about. the current bill is a revised version of the 2018 bill, which is why Kamala Harris was incredulous that Rand Paul was objecting to it now.

― I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Sunday, June 7, 2020 10:43 PM (forty-six minutes ago)

It's been really fascinating to watch my (soon to be former) neighborhood fb group wrestle with black lives matter and the protests. My neighborhood is sort of the crossroads of mainstream liberal professional nyc and conservative queens, with a small streak of leftism there as well, and it is also strikingly white and asian - it's about 15% hispanic and only 3% black. Someone today, a white BLM supporter who I think is new to the area, started a thread to ask about why the neighborhood has so few black people, and it was sort of refreshing to have someone just come right out and ask that question. Some people posted very good sources on historical discrimination, neighborhood opposition to low income housing, but of course many, many people tried to avoid the question -- most typically either by bringing up some *other* form of discrimination ("____ used to exclude Jews" "I got called [asian slur] by a lady on the bus") or with the classic "our neighborhood is diverse!" -- meaning it has white people, asians, and a slightly visible minority of hispanic people and a significant number of foreign born residents, but of course that wasn't the question, the question was why are there so few black people.

The lynching bill is a perfect example of Mitch McConnell using someone else as a shield to cover his own bullshit. If they stopped trying for a unanimous vote and just put it on the floor, it would pass and Paul's objection would be meaningless. However, because of the symbolism involved in getting a unanimous vote, McConnell can now just shrug and go "oh well, there's a holdout; let's see if we can change his mind, wink wink nudge nudge" and just let the bill die.

This also spares the other Republicans from voting for something antithetical to their Stormtrooper platform.

last night i watched a video of mcconnell's senate competitor in KY (Charles Booker) for the first time:

I literally almost jumped out of my seat when I watched this. It physically made me react. This is leadership. @Booker4KY #BookerBeatsMitch pic.twitter.com/3dK74xQj6l

— Dave 🌹 (@nodank_) June 7, 2020

he seems really solid. now that Steve King (Lt. Stormtrooper - IA) is on his way to hell, i will my meager amount of out of state political donations to Booker.

i will ^be sending^

Late to the convo, but I grew up in Virginia and cracker was a highly used term to refer to someone perceived as a “poor white” person. I never knew that it was exactly wrong to label people this way until I went to college. Redneck was another highly used term, but referred to a “poor white” who was thought to be “country.” I heard a lot of racist terms against blacks that I knew were wrong and would never, nor did I have any desire, to repeat, but these terms seemed unproblematic to me at the time as they referred to white people. Seems so strange to think about it now.

mark me down as another white southerner who considered "cracker" to be synonymous with "ofay" and only (infrequently) used by older black men and women when i was growing up. "Redneck" or "good ol boy" was generally more charged but was actively reclaimed by, well, by all the rednecks i knew. Distinct memory of having a group of high school seniors take me aside when i was a sophomore and dressing me down for "acting like i was better than a redneck"... I think they meant well by it, sadly. These days "cracker" only brings to mind the Chris Rock routine which I will skip linking to.

I was just thinking that I can't see the word "cracker" without immediately thinking "CRACKER ASS CRACKER" thanks to Chris Rock

fun with wikipedia

Etymology
The exact origins of the word are generally unknown and postulations about the subject vary.

Hungarian
Honky may be a variant of hunky, which was a derivative of Bohunk, a slur for various Slavic and Hungarian immigrants who moved to America from the Austro-Hungarian Empire in the early 1900s.

Wolof
Honky may also derive from the term "xonq nopp" which, in the West African language Wolof, literally means "red-eared person". The term may have originated with Wolof-speaking people brought to the U.S. It has been used by black Americans as a pejorative for white people.

Other
The phrase honky-tonk refers to a particular type of country music, most commonly provided at bars for its patrons, or more commonly, may even refer to the bar itself.

Honky may have come from coal miners in Oak Hill, West Virginia. The miners were segregated; blacks in one section, Anglo-whites in another. Foreigners who could not speak English, mostly whites, were separated from both groups into an area known as "Hunk Hill". These male laborers were known as "Hunkies".

The term may have begun in the meat packing plants of Chicago. According to Robert Hendrickson, author of the Encyclopedia of Word and Phrase Origins, black workers in Chicago meatpacking plants picked up the term from white workers and began applying it indiscriminately to all whites.

alternately, here's Dick Gregory's take
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFq_guCZPys

missed this when it happened but good god

https://www.syracuse.com/tv/2020/06/fox-news-apologizes-for-graphic-comparing-stock-market-gains-to-deaths-of-mlk-george-floyd.html

They had a graphic and everything.

Big story in Canada at the moment. (The American equivalent of Mesley might be Katie Couric, at least in terms of stature/tenure.)

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/wendy-mesley-suspended-hosting-1.5604973

"You see, Chris Rock has this illuminating bit about the war between black people and n-"
"WENDY NO"

'the sheriff is near!'

NASCAR bans confederate flags. I can only imagine the Facebook groups in my old hometown exploding in pure frothing rage this afternoon.

not only that, they lowercased 'confederate' in the statement lololol

Looking forward to 'the c will rise again!' as the new rallying cry.

Rolling Stone has an article on racism in the porn industry.

Related: An interesting (SFW) 90-minute conversation among a dozen black porn performers about the state of race in the industry:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE6DdeoZrTk

Somebody needs to get to Barrington, Rhode Island with a truck and a chain. This is worse than any Confederate monument. pic.twitter.com/oFfP70Ecwe

— 20Debt Peon20 🐐🌮 (@DebtPeon) June 11, 2020

idiots on Confederate monuments/statues: history is important!! we must not forget it, no matter if it's unpleasant
idiots on slavery: that's ancient history! you all need to forget it!

Everybody knows that statues are the sole substantial markers of historical memory and that historians would be utterly incapable of carrying out their work without the continued monumental presence of murderous, slave-owning fascists in public spaces.

These same preserve-our-history types are always really big on cutting school budgets, too. Weird, that.

Who was king of England during the American Revolution? There aren't statues, so I cannot figure it out HELP PLZ

Here you go, bud, it was this guy:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/80/Somerset_House-Strand-Statue_Of_George_III_%26_Neptune.jpg

following up on the NYC birdwatching incident, this NYT profile provides lots of rubbernecking of interest
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/14/nyregion/central-park-amy-cooper-christian-racism.html

“‘The X-Men’ was a perfect parable for the gay experience,” he told Wired Magazine in an interview in 1998. “The X-Men looked like everyone else, but they learned a deep secret in adolescence that made them different.”

In the late 1980s, Mr. Cooper served on the board of directors of GLAAD, formerly the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation, and set up his own political action committee to support Democrats for the New York Senate, according to a biography on “Gay USA,” a televised news show about gay issues, which Mr. Cooper occasionally hosts.

In 1998 he launched “Queer Nation,” a pioneering gay web comic that envisioned L.G.B.T.Q. superheroes fighting the scourge of a right-wing world order. It was partly inspired by his parents, he told Wired, who were active in the civil rights movement.

“From what I saw, she was very devoted to her animals,” said Maria Meade, 60, who lives in a nearby building. “The only thing I’ll tell you is she never spoke directly to a person. She always spoke through her dog, and in a baby voice. It was really bizarre.”

Alison Faircloth, 37, a neighbor and dog owner, recalled that last winter, she came upon Ms. Cooper on the verge of tears outside the building’s lobby. A doorman had cursed at her for no reason, Ms. Cooper told her. Ms. Cooper vowed to get the doorman fired, Ms. Faircloth said.

But when Ms. Faircloth asked the doorman what had happened, he told her that Ms. Cooper had complained about a broken elevator, then cursed at him after she barged into a security booth and had to be removed by a guard.

the stuff about her lawsuit against her married lover is just sad.

this woman sounds like a walking nightmare

I know that this is a story that is being shaped to a particular narrative etc but she really gave the author a lot of source material

The depth of their respective characters are certainly one of the reasons why this story sticks around. You'd be hard pressed to randomly pick a more intelligent, compassionate, considerate and media savvy person than Chris Cooper for the target of this bullshit.

When I saw the picture at the top of the article, I was surprised Amy Cooper agreed to pose for a photo for this article. Then I realized the credit for the photo belongs to a neighbor who is quoted later in the article... hm.

Pastor Louie Giglio, rapper Lecrae and Chick-fil-A CEO Dan Cathy "had an honest conversation about race and the Church" on June 14.

Here's an example of why words and their meanings matter.

"White Privilege" vs. "White Blessings" pic.twitter.com/VkSP6RP0t1

— Nicola A. Menzie (@namenzie) June 16, 2020

fuck outta here with this

ah so the issue is simply gently assuaging the ruling class with delicate language and then the empowered white masses will wholeheartedly embrace disenfranchising themselves of centuries of economic, political and policing power, why didn't you SAY so; if only we could've tried this earlier

The standard take in France at the moment is pure galaxy brain material: ‘to speak of racism is itself racist; true non racism is absolute obliviousness to racism because race doesn’t exist; QED’.

I really wish I could find a primary link to the study where they compared the racial attitudes of toddlers raised in colorblind houses compared to houses where race was discussed where the allegedly colorblind kids showed extreme bias against black people

is it this one / does the link work?
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0956797610384741

I think that’s it! Thank you!

it shouldn't be difficult to grok that ignoring racism or racial difference, either in individual circumstances or within larger demographic groups, is not the goal. IMO the road worth traveling for anyone not immediately under fire is actively acknowledging racism as the all-pervasive and pernicious thing it is and then striving for greater change on a daily basis through respect, equity, acceptance, inclusion and appreciation while simultaneously vocally and financially supporting political change to a corrupt system, not co-opting or presuming lived experience, not applying singular traits to any group and just generally not being an asshole when you can help it.

https://www.cjr.org/analysis/capital-b-black-styleguide.php

Aunt Jemima is over, only took 130 years
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/aunt-jemima-brand-will-change-name-remove-image-quaker-says-n1231260

hooray, now i can stop arguing with my hidebound colleagues

AP’s style is now to capitalize Black in a racial, ethnic or cultural sense, conveying an essential and shared sense of history, identity and community among people who identify as Black, including those in the African diaspora and within Africa.

— APStylebook (@APStylebook) June 19, 2020

on the other hand

The NYPD initially said they had no record of anything matching this description. When we showed them a photo of cops at the scene, they said a commanding officer had closed the case.

"It's clear what this is," one of the witnesses responded. "Someone knew what they were doing." https://t.co/dNJmd0QRmX

— Jake Offenhartz (@jangelooff) June 19, 2020

How very reassuring

it appears one of the suicides that was being reinvestigated for possible lynching is closed, as video was found showing the man committing suicide: https://www.sbsun.com/2020/06/19/video-shows-malcolm-harsch-hung-himself/

hardly a solace as it's still a tragedy, and the rest still need thorough investigation. and fucking Rand Paul needs to quit stalling the lynching bill.

This is of course something the Black Panthers did in the late '60s in the Bay Area, and prompted Reagan to enact some form of gun restrictions. I'm not sure that will be the outcome in Oklahoma now.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/19/oklahoma-city-black-gun-owners-2nd-amendment-walk-trump-rally/3221046001/

fucking Rand Paul needs to quit stalling the lynching bill.

fucking mitch mcconnell needs to quit stalling. he could bring up the bill at any moment and pass it 99-1.

but he's working with rand paul to stall it in order to...save rand paul dignity? i have no idea. i know i should have a "want to die" list, but they are both near the top of it

yeah basically both of them need to fuck off and choke on peanuts

sorry, i meant "i know i should NOT have"

but despite knowing i shouldn't have that list, yeah a peanut death would be great, i'll take that

I just saw someone on Twitter call Shaun King "Chalka Con" and I am beside myself

!!! There's a whole list of jabs at him! "Talcum X" is a personal fave.

I am also partial to "Martin Luther Cream"

Shilli Vanilli lol

haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Nicknames for Shaun King:
Talcum X.
Martin Luther Cream.
Pale Revere.
Tupac Sugar.
Alexander Scamilton.
Chaka Con.
Snow J. Simpson.
W.E.B. Defraud.

— Martin Luther Kang Jr. (@memeballcards) August 22, 2019

is shaun king bad now? i thought he was a big blm activist?

"now"

he's been sorta shady ever since i've been aware of him

i always assumed the "shaun king is fake black" thing was an alt-right meme but maybe not?

I haven't been on twitter in a while but back when I was ppl tended to treat him as incredibly shady compared to his peers, I never actually learned why though

Well it was Breitbart that was behind the expose, so....

But as bad as they are, his birth certificate does list his father as a white man. He claims that isn't his birth father.

He's also been accused of hoarding charity money for himself which probably is why it's easier to believe he's Dolezaling.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/shaun-king-keeps-raising-money-and-questions-about-where-it-goes-3

Kali serves up all the tea.

as usual, bossip said it best

Shaun King aka Scammie Lou Paymer aka Barter G. Woodson aka Rob Moses aka Mos Theft Got Exposed (Again) With Receipts (Again) For ALLEGEDLY Stealing Money (Again) And Got Dragged To The GoFundMe In The Sky (Again)

[Getty]https://t.co/RwBktQwm4Q pic.twitter.com/ixcUDZBH3h

— Bossip (@Bossip) May 26, 2020

re the aunt jemima thing - the character was invented by a black performer and esp in recent years since they updated the character it's hard [for me but i could be wrong] to see anything racist about its current manifestation. and i wonder maybe it isn't doing harm to black ppl having a nice normal materteral black woman as the spokescharacter for a prominent supermarket item. and maybe it's even counter productive to remove images of black faces from supermarket aisles. (nb i have never had aunt jemima pancakes anything afaik and have no personal affection for the character or brand.)

yeah, you're wrong.

like i don't know where you're getting your information, but it's ahistorical. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aunt_Jemima

Also, what is "nice normal maternal black woman"? What the fuck does that even mean?

Might just be easier to say, "It's easier to continue the mammy stereotype because those blacks need good role models on their fucking pancake mix."

seriously GTFOH

The "character" was invented by a white guy who had bought the Aunt Jemima trademark from two other white guys (who got the name Aunt Jemima from attending a white minstrel show and hearing "old Aunt Jemima").

They hired Nancy Green, and made loads of money off of her

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/aunt-jemima-millionaire/

The "character" was invented by a white guy who had bought the Aunt Jemima trademark from two other white guys

Rutt's inspiration for Aunt Jemima was Billy Kersands' American-style minstrelsy/vaudeville song "Old Aunt Jemima", written in 1875.

Might just be easier to say, "It's easier to continue the mammy stereotype because those blacks need good role models on their fucking pancake mix."

I never said anything about creating good role models for black people and honestly that sounds like your own shit that you projected. There are positive reasons to have black faces in the supermarket that have nothing to do with creating good role models for black people.

Aunt Jemima outright mammy-type offensive. Mrs. Butterworth surprising to me. I didn't know she was supposed to be Black. To be honest, I thought she was supposed to be just "grandma." I didn't know the bottle-glass color was part of her identity, and I thought it was a cheap plastic approximation of amber glass.

Actually, you did, since you used the words "normal" and "maternal" to refer to a racist stereotype rather than dealing with the obvious racism of your stupid fucking opinion.

have you seen the logo in recent years? the history of the logo def used Mammy imagery but the current logo she looks like a normal black woman

also i didn't use the word maternal

There are positive reasons to have black faces in the supermarket

I can't even believe I just read this

Like sit back and think for a second why else you'd be wringing your hands about the removal of a racist stereotype from packaging.

Rutt's inspiration for Aunt Jemima was Billy Kersands' American-style minstrelsy/vaudeville song "Old Aunt Jemima", written in 1875.

― Mordy, Tuesday, June 23, 2020 10:19 AM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

idk i feel like this doesn't make it any better

and i wonder maybe it isn't doing harm to black ppl having a nice normal materteral black woman as the spokescharacter for a prominent supermarket item

I don't know what the fuck "materteral" means, but the closest words of any sense are "material" and "maternal."

So you might not have used it, but I was taking a stab at deconstructing the stupidity of that sentence.

do you know what google is

materteral, sorta like avuncular

Also, what is "nice normal maternal black woman"? What the fuck does that even mean?

Might just be easier to say, "It's easier to continue the mammy stereotype because those blacks need good role models on their fucking pancake mix."

seriously GTFOH

^^^
Mordy, posting through a wormhole from the green room of the McLaughlin Group in 1992.

Aunt Jemima was certainly better after she got a perm but very few Black people aware of the history would deny the link between the current "kindly old grandma" iconography and the previous "maximum mammy" iconography

I teach English composition and poetry. I read more than 100+ books last year. I have never, ever come across that word before. Don't pretend like it's some sort of common parlance, because it isn't.

you still know how to use google tho right? you could've googled the current logo and the history of the character too before answering my question not to mention ditching the bad faith reading of what i wrote but you'd obv rather shadowbox with fb relatives.

if a depiction of a POC is not offensive and you eliminate that depiction then you're reducing the presence of POC faces in national spaces. that you assumed the problem with reducing those faces was because of some paternalistic "the blacks need role models" is an indictment of you imo and the brainworms in yr head.

I'm not friends with any of my relatives on Facebook.

And actually, what you wrote is ridiculously racist, as many others here have pointed out, so I don't need to read what you wrote with good faith. What you wrote, your musings, are racist horseshit.

Ma Terteral

https://jolynpeng.com/wp-content/uploads/grandma-turtle.jpg

The current depiction is less offensive. It's not "not offensive", precisely because it's a softening of a horrible caricature and still tied directly to the history of the terrible caricature.

Also, who's going to go down swinging over a corporate logo? There are literally no victims caused by changing it.

If this was a yarmulke wearing jewish stereotype on a Manischewitz box created by two goyim and then at some point they remove the yarmulke I think this conversation might be different.

Or Mordy's takes might be less hot.

i know you guys like to reduce any question with ambiguity to "well why do you care so much" (as now two of you have) but as i wrote in my op i actually don't care at all i have no attachment to the brand or character and afaik have never eaten the product. djp i take yr point that it still has a problematic history - what made me think to mention it actually was the conversation on the 30 rock thread and i was reminded of another example of a black entertainer whose comedic work has taken on racist dimensions that they're didn't intend.

uh

if you have no investment then why post

But the issue is that it is/was offensive! It might not be offensive to you, but you're assuming that yours is a universal opinion.

Going from there, your wondering about whether it might be harmful to Black people to not have a racist mammy stereotype staring back at them in the breakfast aisle...that's absurd! You realize that not all representation is good representation, right?

if you have no investment then why post

why not?

another example of a black entertainer whose comedic work has taken on racist dimensions that they're didn't intend

Congratulations.

the table is the table you really should google the current logo you sound like a moron

at least i don't sound like a racist

a black entertainer whose comedic work has taken on racist dimensions that they're didn't intend.

― Mordy, Tuesday, June 23, 2020 10:38 AM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

man... "aunt jemima" may have been invented by a black songwriter but that has shit to do with the brand, for which white ppl appropriated the character, stamped it on pancake mix, and illustrated her as a racist caricature. when i think about it this way, it's almost more racist!!!!

also the black entertainer was making minstrelsy and knew the work had racist dimensions

The monkey dressed in soldier clothes,
Old Aunt Jemima, oh! oh! oh!
Went out in the woods for to drill some crows,
Old Aunt Jemima, oh! oh! oh!
The jay bird hung on the swinging limb,
Old Aunt Jemima, oh! oh! oh!
I up with a stone and hit him on the shin,
Old Aunt Jemima, oh! oh! oh!

Kersands's comedy act centered on his enormous mouth, which he exuberantly contorted into countless shapes. He peppered his songs with these movements and their accompanying noises. One observer remarked, "The slightest curl of his lip or opening of that yawning chasm termed his mouth was of itself sufficient to convulse the audience."[5] He could even fit several billiard balls or a cup and saucer into his mouth and still perform a dance routine or fill the theater with boisterous laughter. Tom Fletcher wrote that while touring in England, Kersands told Queen Victoria that if his mouth was any bigger, his ears would have to be moved.[6]

This physical feature fit well into racist white-created stereotypes of blacks having large lips and mouths. Kersands further embraced such disparaging caricatures by affecting the stage persona of a slow and ignorant Sambo. He also sang songs that reinforced these racist views. In his "Mary's Gone with a Coon", he sang of a black man "lamenting" his daughter's impending marriage to a black man: "De chile dat I bore, should tink ob me no more / Den to run away wid a big black coon."[7] His "Old Aunt Jemima" lent its name to the stereotyped mammy Aunt Jemima that later was developed into an iconic trademark for a brand of pancakes.

Despite Kersands's reinforcement of negative black stereotypes, very few African Americans disdained his act. Part of his appeal for them lay in his mixing of elements of African American folklore into his show in a way that would appeal to his black audience but be ignored or derided by whites. "Old Aunt Jemima", one of his signature songs, serves as a good example. The song exists in three texts, two published 1875 and one in 1880, suggesting that Kersands made up verses as he sang. All three versions begin in a church, a locale that white minstrels tended to avoid. The 1875 texts describe charismatic black worship practices, but the 1880 edition begins with a black character fleeing a white church because they "prayed so long".[8] Verses from the song soon entered the African American tradition and appeared in later collections of folklore. Other songs Kersands performed featured African American elements like talking animals and weak-versus-strong match-ups. His popularity led many theatre owners to relax rules limiting black patrons to specific sections of the playhouse.

None of this strikes me as an account of someone whose work was devoid of racist dimensions.

Rutt's inspiration for Aunt Jemima was Billy Kersands' American-style minstrelsy/vaudeville song "Old Aunt Jemima", written in 1875.

― Mordy, Tuesday, June 23, 2020 1:19 PM bookmarkflaglink

I literally just said this

i'm taking seriously the counterfactual that a jewish actor doing jewface made a character that a gentile organization used to sell gefilte fish with like a huge nose and side locks and a yarmulke and then later out of sensitivity turned him into a pretty normal looking jewish guy without any of the jewface stereotypes i really do not think i would gaf about them continuing to use the image. if black ppl are offended by the current depiction i am not telling them they have no right to be - but i noticed that the corporation did this on their own initiative without any clamor for it to happen and it's pretty obviously corporate ass-covering.

xp Neanderthal you said it was invented by white guys??

None of this strikes me as an account of someone whose work was devoid of racist dimensions.

ok fair enough. to me these works have different resonances depending on who is performing them. i think the last paragraph you posted at least complicates the question a little.

From 2015: https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2015/06/24/besides-the-confederate-flag-what-other-symbols-should-go/can-we-please-finally-get-rid-of-aunt-jemima

xp: mixing non-racist material in with your racist material does not make your racist material any less racist

Mordy, you edited out this parenthetical from my post deliberately:

(who got the name Aunt Jemima from attending a white minstrel show and hearing "old Aunt Jemima")

Come on.

You called it a white minstrel show what am I missing??

also the black entertainer was making minstrelsy and knew the work had racist dimensions

Yeah, it's not like black entertainers had lots of options on their approaches at that time. The entire thing is racism all the way down and continuing to insist that you can sanitize that history by removing the most obviously racist elements is some bullshit.

From 2007: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/247739524_Aunt_Jemima_is_Alive_and_Cookin'_An_Advertiser's_Dilemma_of_Competing_Collective_Memories

The two white guys were at a white minstrel show where a white person in Blackface sang the song in question. It was written by a Black man, but the white dudes were inspired by hearing it that night.

i thought aunt jemima was racist before but mordy's argument has made me realize it's more like a vortex of racism, wheels within wheels

I guess we won't be polling the new brand name

I vote for Uncle Mordy's High Fructose Corn Syrup (Now with 50% Less Racism).

who the fuck buys pancake syrup

I don't understand pancakes

I only buy tia nopales' agave

https://i.imgur.com/HYprj5U.png

At least Mordy taught us a new word today.

but what are they like? what are their favorite movies and tv shows?

Ah yes, showing us graphs of who is buying the syrup to say what?

Go into any (corner store/deli/whatever you call it) in any poor, predominantly Black and POC neighborhood in the US, and you'll find one type of pancake syrup: Aunt Jemima. It's not like there's a whole lot of choice. So that poll doesn't mean much.

The thing boggling my mind is that in my world, I have been making snarky jokes about Aunt Jemima getting a perm for 30 years with Black friends while apparently the White people around me were going "finally we have a Black person on our pancakes and syrup that we can feel proud of; yay representation!" without even the slightest bit of irony

Ah yes, showing us graphs of who is buying the syrup to say what?

alfred literally asked?

seemed rhetorical, idk

we're all gonna have a good healthy laugh about this in fifty years when we reminisce about the days when we allowed companies to market their products to us using smiley cartoon characters on their food labels like we were toddlers

my limited understanding of american history leads me to the conclusion that when what consumers consider broadly racist changes, the repercussions tend to happen quickly and loudly and are almost always long overdue.

the bottom line with aunt jemima is that the brand had no meaningful resonance with the majority of its buyers and lots of attached disreputability; it's an outdated corporate logo with no value and was long overdue to be chucked. I hope whatever VP of marketing in charge of the property gets fired for their sheer ineptness at not dealing with this issue the instant they were hired.

(and just to make the point myself before someone else does: sure, it's the bestselling brand of syrup but I would put that up to Quaker's reach and distribution and not the logo... more to the point, if it was a logo of any value, Quaker would have fought harder to keep it, qed they've already determined internally that the risk/reward isn't worth it.)

i'm pretty sure the first question during a job interview for the VP of marketing at Aunt Jemima's is "you're not going to change Aunt Jemima, right? because we made a blood pact with the owner of the washington redskins to never, ever change or learn"

xp

i'm not sure i'm following your logic on this one, ulysses.

people have been asking them to change their racist logo for many years. so clearly they DO think it has value

i'm saying it did have value for a considerable period, then it ceased to have meaningful value for quite some time but its negative symbolism was considered manageable enough to make it not worth rebranding and now they think the value is less than the risk.
NB: i am not an expert on corn syrup

i mean, hey, maybe someone at pepsico had an ethical epiphany that a logo founded on a racist caricature with a name that has become historically synonymous with racially charged servitude is inexcusable and decided that taking a business loss is the right thing to do but maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan, I doubt it.

Lost in all this is that fake syrup sucks.

and is pointedly marketed people with disproportionate risk of diabetes!

Cue my post about corner stores and delis in primarily Black and POC neighborhoods above

i feel like anyone who has ever heard burn, hollywood, burn kind of knows what has needed to happen to this “brand”

i was trying to think of where we’d had this conversation before and i was like OH YEAH

OMG I WANT THIS AMAZING RONALDINHO BOTTLE OPENER

whole wheat mix is pretty good

and James "We're Not Defunding the Police" Clyburn is a bigger problem

In September 2012, The Guardian posted a story on its facebook page regarding models wearing Aunt Jemima earrings on a catwalk at Dolce and Gabbana during Milan fashion week. As the article points out, ‘some might argue that they’re harmless, even cute, but there’s nothing cute about two white men selling minstrel earrings to a majority non-black audience. There wasn’t a single black model in Dolce and Gabbana’s show, and it’s hard not to be appalled by the transparent exoticism in sending the only black faces down the runway in the form of earrings.’Aunt Jemima is still our feminist issue because she stands for the continued silencing of black women’s exploitation around the world. As one of the most recognizable images of black women globally, why aren’t more people enraged by the fact that she remains frozen in time? As The Guardian aptly concludes, ‘when you’re explicitly pandering to such a shameful era of western racism and colonialism, it’s time to move on to the future.’I could not agree more. As Patricia Hill Collins argues, we need to place the ‘diverse patterns of Black women’s activism within the border zone of Black feminist nationalism/ Black nationalist feminism … as well as within a broader, global framework of feminist nationalism...in order to create space for much needed dialogue among Black women activists … as well as alliances with other groups of racial ethnic women.’58 Aunt Jemima is not a Black feminist issue; she must be the issue of this generation of feminists, artists, and activists, and then perhaps we will finally be able to wipe that smile off her stereotyped and fictional face.

https://www.drcherylthompson.com/aunt-jemima/2020/6/23/contesting-the-aunt-jemima-trademark-through-feminist-art-why-is-she-still-smiling

are POC who aren’t black or indigenous included in BIPOC?

never heard 'BIPOC' until a month ago, now the term is everywhere and I guess it has replaced POC??? what was wrong with saying POC? is this referring to a different group of ppl? is it B and I POC or is it B or I POC or what? does anyone see BIPOC and not think 'bisexual POC'?... for real who is in charge of changing these terms every few months?? its getting a liiiiittle silly no?

https://www.rd.com/article/what-does-bipoc-stand-for/

I was familiar with it for a few years now, from academia and academia-adjacent social media, as a term meaning "Black and/or Indigenous People of Color." Specifically used in postcolonial contexts, on the assumption that there are shared axes of oppression and histories of contestation. Never really seemed like a problematic concept to me, but if people are using it as a one-to-one replacement for "POC" in their vocabulary then they're obviously missing the point entirely.

The couple of times I've seen it, it was used as an ostensibly more exact replacement for POC, to mean "black, indigenous, AND people of colour", like Neanderthal's link says.

Yeah I'm doing some google scholar searches now ("bipoc" appears a few times within articles citing Lawrence & Dua's influential 2005 paper, but no earlier than 2017) and it's looking like my interpretation of it as a term specifically coined to push for a rapprochement between Indigenous and Black antiracist movements is not the majority understanding!

are Jews bipoc

xp Neanderthal i had heard some conflicting accounts but this is what i understood (from the link you sent), thx

BIPOC stands for “Black, Indigenous, and People of Color.” It seeks to highlight the Black and Indigenous communities and, as the BIPOC Project explains, the “unique relationship to whiteness that Indigenous and Black (African Americans) people have, which shapes the experiences of and relationship to white supremacy for all people of color within a United States context.”

why isn't it IBPOC

never heard 'BIPOC' until a month ago, now the term is everywhere

I never heard people saying 'never heard 'BIPOC' until a month ago' until a couple of years ago, now the sentiment is everywhere

are Jews bipoc

in most cases no, we are not

why isn't it IBPOC

fwiw in Canada, I've seen a push to order it this way

xp sorry to belabor but this is actually pertinent to me and i would like clarification...

do you mean by 'in most cases no' that most jews themselves aren't BIPOC but some are (i.e. darker skinned sephardi), or that certain people would consider jews 'POC' and certain people would not? i have heard differing views on the latter point.

What is a context where it would be necessary to use this term, i.e. where you need to refer to all people of colour as a group but also need to highly the distinctiveness of two sub-groups?

fwiw in Canada, I've seen a push to order it this way

What is the argument for using this term in Canada? What is the unique relationship to white supremacy held by black Canadians vs all other people of colour? I understand that slavery existed in the Canadian colonies until a few decades prior to Confederation, but I don't think the majority of black Canadians are descendants of slaves or that anti-black policy plays the same kind of foundational role in Canadian nationhood?

*highlight

xpost I am not an expert on Canada or Canadian histsory, but I was under the impression that the majority of Black Canadians trace their ancestry to Black communities throughout the New World (Jamaica, Haiti, Guyana, Trinidad, etc) that were originally established as slave colonies.

I can't speak to the specific legal or policy challenges those groups have encountered as Canadians; but I don't think it's like, wildly intellectually dishonest to characterize them as "Canadian Descendants of Slavery" just because the 'slavery' part was historically and geographically distant from the 'Canadian' part.

xpost to esby— from my understanding, only Jews that are racialized (as Black, Latino, etc) would be considered BIPOC.

xposts to Sund4r and bernard— Bernard's got it right— many who escaped the colonies made their way to Canada because the US was such an obvious shitshow, what with the whole slavery into Jim Crow thing.

xpost just to Sund4r: I think that the highlighting of distinctiveness comes from the fact that these discourses often originate in academic and left circles in the US, which rightly view the US as being founded on dual original sins, namely the genocide of the Indigenous population and chattel slavery. Thus, these two groups get highlighted as a way of bringing forth the ways in which those histories have continued unabated.

That's fair, bernard. I wasn't being accurate: "descendants of Canadian slaves" is closer to what I meant. I do think there's a difference from the American 'original sin' in this regard but idk, insofar as we are still subjects of the Crown, maybe there isn't?

I can't do it justice right now, but the first chapter of Robin Maynard's book Policing Black Lives is a good historical summary of anti-blackness in Canada. One thing that struck me was how extensive formal segregation was (e.g., in the military during both world wars, in schools, orphanages).

OK, I'll look into it, thanks for the recommendation. I was thinking of e.g. the history of the Chinese in Canada, with differential pay on the railroad, the head tax, the inability to vote.

tbc I think the questions you asked are worth raising. My knowledge of Canadian history is extremely patchy, so I found the chapter I mentioned illuminating but I didn't raise it as a counterpoint.

Take some protests right now in Van around BLM and the city's destruction of Hogan's Alley— and that's just more recent history, too. The Maynard book is good.

btw it's Robyn Maynard (not Robin)

https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/segregation-of-asian-canadians
xps

I never heard people saying 'never heard 'BIPOC' until a month ago' until a couple of years ago, now the sentiment is everywhere

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Sunday, June 28, 2020 12:25 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

1st use on ilx is less than 3 weeks ago... do you work in the laboratory that invents these terms???? what do you ppl do exactly???

esby shut the fuck up

^^^^
This.

I mean, he replied to snark with snark. I don't think "BIPOC" has been a widely used and understood term for ages among the general population.

what do you ppl do exactly?

I am authentically surprised that "BIPOC" only appears on ILX so recently, I don't think of it as brand-new!

I think I am a BIPOC, being a Latino, but I don't know for sure. I'd never heard the term until recently.

I mean, he replied to snark with snark. I don't think "BIPOC" has been a widely used and understood term for ages among the general population.

― Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Monday, June 29, 2020 1:09 PM bookmarkflaglink

this is a dude who's done nothing but troll for the last year and just decided to have real conversations in the last week, so hence the harsh reaction.

hey, dumb question: can anyone recommend a place to get Black Lives Matter apparel online that benefits black-owned businesses? The BLM webshop doesn't have much.

I've never heard of BIPOC until the last month and it sounds like some kind of expressway ("A tractor-trailer accident at the I-95 merge has traffic backing up all the way to the BIPOC this afternoon.") or ancient monster ("BEWARE THE BIPOC!"). I'll probably just say Black or First Nations or whatever instead.

I mean, he replied to snark with snark. I don't think "BIPOC" has been a widely used and understood term for ages among the general population.

― Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Monday, June 29, 2020 11:09 AM (thirty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

for real. thank you. some of you can actually fix your tone. + no, it demonstrably hasn't been in use among the near entirety of the general public for more than about a month.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=today%205-y&q=bipoc

if you have been using the word "BIPOC" so long in your peer group that it is passe, there's a good chance you either know or are yourself the originator of the term.

i work with arts organizations who focus on inclusivity and moving the culture forward, what do you do exactly?
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, June 29, 2020 11:18 AM (twenty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i am a private individual who has no singular or group interest in workshopping what words are ok for people to use or what thoughts are ok for people to think. if your mission is to move the culture forward i would strongly suggest avoiding dehumanizing jargon terms like "BIPOC".

again, what was wrong with "POC"? at least when you pronounce "P" "O" "C" it is easy to remember that you are talking about "P"eople.... with BIPOC you are just talking about 'BIPOC'. i don't want to speak for any of my friends but i don't think suddenly becoming BIPOC is helpful to them in any way.

this is a dude who's done nothing but troll for the last year and just decided to have real conversations in the last week, so hence the harsh reaction.

― I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Monday, June 29, 2020 11:39 AM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

i am not a troll, my opinions quite often differ from the groupthink of this board and i don't often have the energy to get in a big citation battle about it, but that doesn't mean i'm wrong and any of you guys are right lol. it's always the opposite. i'm ahead of my time. in years 'BIPOC' will undoubtedly itself become outdated and racist and i will be hipsterring loudly about how i was against adopting the term from the very start.

See, this is why Brad's response was the correct one: engaging with this disingenuous fuck is always a bad move.

my opinions quite often differ from the groupthink of this board

popular troll belief

Also popular troll move to not be interested in the least of learning about why this particular term might be gaining traction. No curiosity at all.

Black people who don't like/want to use POC just tend to call themselves "Black", in my experience

i am a private individual who has no singular or group interest in workshopping what words are ok for people to use or what thoughts are ok for people to think. if your mission is to move the culture forward i would strongly suggest avoiding dehumanizing jargon terms like "BIPOC".

anyway, where do i buy a shirt?

expect the thoughtpolice shortly

*refreshes site new answers* 😎

now who's ready to abolish the police

again, what was wrong with "POC"? at least when you pronounce "P" "O" "C" it is easy to remember that you are talking about "P"eople.... with BIPOC you are just talking about 'BIPOC'. i don't want to speak for any of my friends but i don't think suddenly becoming BIPOC is helpful to them in any way.

I don't like POC but I use POC when talking to white allies, because it seems to be the most palatable to white sensibilities. I recognize that POC is a loaded and problematic term... To misquote W. Kamau Bell, it's just an 'of' away from colored people. But: fragility shit. I use 'brown' when I'm with other brown people, although some white people have lately decided to inform me that I shouldn't be doing that.

I think that POC/BIPOC discussion is a kind of insidery correctness-policing and has been appropriated a woke-signal and symbolic argument among allies. When POC/BIPOC activists have the discussion about inclusive terms, it's generally about determining the contours of shared experiences and affinities; when white people have it, it's about controlling the language others should use in referring to themselves.

yeah BIPOC seems very "white people saying Latinx" to me

I can't speak for anyone else's experience or use of the word, but when I first learned about BIPOC the important thing I took away from it is how it's meant to include indigenous groups that might otherwise get left out of a given discussion.

i see mostly the black-led activist orgs i follow on instagram using "BIPOC" so idk

it's just an 'of' away from colored people.

Yes. I actually still prefer "non-white" or "visible minorities" bc they actually identify the reason we are putting all these people into one category. (It's not because we 'have colour'.)

what do you do exactly?

pwns libtards

Also popular troll move to not be interested in the least of learning about why this particular term might be gaining traction. No curiosity at all.

― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, June 29, 2020 11:58 AM (forty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

no curiosity? I've done nothing but ask questions about this word and have read all the replies, articles, bipoc project web site, etc. since inquiring... doesn't mean I have to adopt these virws for myself, I'm not allowed my skepticism or my own opinion? honestly, some of the posts you guys are directing at me are so misguided

i see mostly the black-led activist orgs i follow on instagram using "BIPOC" so idk

not really bothered one way or another but it does seem to be used almost exclusively online so this tracks

honestly,

Awwww, lonely guy just thinking baout things

Black people who don't like/want to use POC just tend to call themselves "Black", in my experience

This sort of gets at what I was asking about earlier. I can see contexts where it's important to specifically talk about black or indigenous people and can see contexts where it's important to discuss non-white people as a whole. I have trouble imagining actual irl situations where you need to refer to non-white people as a whole but also need to distinguish subgroups within the group that you are discussing as a whole.

To summarize from yesterday, it occurs to me that the core distinction between African-American and indigenous people vs other people of colour in the US context is that the first two groups did not choose to be American but had it forced on them via settler colonialism or slavery. In the Canadian context, where the majority of the black population did arrive via immigration (even by bernard's and table's descriptions), I'm less convinced of the necessary distinction vs other groups of immigrant minorities (who have often also experienced substantial segregation, violence, and discrimination, cf link on segregation of Asians). No question that the situation of First Nations is very different. (Only reason I raised the question was ron's comment on the suggested reordering in Canada; I haven't actually seen it anywhere except a couple of social media posts myself.) Anyway, I did note the name of the Maynard book and will look into it.

I haven't actually seen it anywhere except a couple of social media posts myself

True for me as well, in case that wasn't clear.

sorry for setting this off, my original q was out of genuine curiosity!

Ime "BIPOC" is usually shorthand in print vs writing out the whole thing? As far as I can remember hearing it in person, it's usually all pronounced out of respect. I don't think I've ever heard anyone in a movement/activism space say "BIPOC" but that's just my experience.

"QTPOC" on the other hand is pronounced "cutie-pok" and is--forgive me--cute!

yeah. to clarify, I don't want to shut down conversation about POC and BIPOC and say 'white people can't talk about this word that suddenly hit broader usage and may/may not be the correct word to use in varied contexts,' but instead to steer away from a really tedious correctness conversation

esby, the problem isn't that you're not curious. It's that your motives for being resistant to changes in language and terminology are murky at best. Why is it such a big deal to you?

(sorry to continue the tedious conversation)

this might give you a clue as to esby's inner workings:
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Jake from State farm is b-b-black now??? Drake from State farm?????? excuse me, no. this is ridiculous. change a character beloved by millions for years for no reason other than wokeness. what is this world coming to

― lumen (esby), Wednesday, May 6, 2020 4:26 AM bookmarkflaglink

oof, you found my SNL audition, so embarrassing to look back at now. I've grown so much as a person since then! I apologize to Jake from State farm and anyone else who I may have hurt. thanks neanderthal, I always appreciate your support.

I know there might not be 51 unique people posting rn but can we all do our part here

ilx is too paranoid

I don't see what he has done in this discussion to deserve a FP, to be honest. If it's over something he did previously, the FPs should have been given for that imo.

ftr it's more the latter than the former, but this disingenuous "what do I did, contradict the hivemind" schtick has been part of his greatest hits for the last few years.

esby, the problem isn't that you're not curious. It's that your motives for being resistant to changes in language and terminology are murky at best. Why is it such a big deal to you?

― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Monday, June 29, 2020 3:09 PM (thirty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i wouldn't call it 'a big deal' exactly but it is something i would particularly want to ask ilx about because i spend zero time in the academic/activist/ppl-who-use-words-like-BIPOC-irl sphere and this place is my closest connection to people who would (and, seemingly, do) care enough about this to explain it or weigh in or just have a conversation about this at all.

i'm not trying to change anyone's opinion, if it's a useful word it will stick around, but i am just a little floored by it's zero-to-sixty adoption (from my perspective: george floyd dies, 1 week later black ppl are "BIPOC"s now.... what?), and as i earlier said, i find it to be an alienating and dehumanizing piece of academic language, and i'm not sure it doesn't just mean the same thing as 'POC' or 'non-white' but trendy and ultra-jargony for no reason?. BUT i'm not going to start a committee to combat the adoption of the term BIPOC, say it and call people that if it is useful to you.

table told you two days ago

xpost just to Sund4r: I think that the highlighting of distinctiveness comes from the fact that these discourses often originate in academic and left circles in the US, which rightly view the US as being founded on dual original sins, namely the genocide of the Indigenous population and chattel slavery. Thus, these two groups get highlighted as a way of bringing forth the ways in which those histories have continued unabated.

― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Sunday, June 28, 2020 8:50 PM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah but he wants to hear from someone who affirms what he already believes

Just want to pop in and complain about the tendency on this board to pile on people whose ideas may be merely a few degrees different from theirs. They are so often immediately jumped on as "arguing in bad faith" or "trolling" when that poster may be making a simple inquiry, or holding up a mirror to a particular idea. That this defensive posturing sometimes includes some of my favorite, and indeed truly beloved, posters is always such a letdown. esby isn't a troll and he's not the fash. He's been with us for nearly 15 years and I've always liked him. I'm sure this post of mine will earn derision as well, but fuck it.

ppl who have been 'with us' for nearly 15 years should be past butthurt posturing about how iconoclastic they are, no?

I sometimes think people fixate on terminology because fixing the whole system of oppression is such an enormous job which can seem too big and hopeless ever to grab ahold of or change, while terminology is much, much easier to address and by addressing it, it looks like you are doing something positive.

esby isn't a troll

this has not been my experience of most of esby's posts, sorry peace man

really good points being made on both sides here

posting that on a thread about race is straight-up shitty. there's your s.b., esby

go for it. I made my point already. if it's trolling then I guess Im trolling, no clue

peace_man, I respectfully disagree, esby's been doing this repetitive "I am better than you other pseudo-woke libs" for like two years. he talks more about how unpopular his opinions are than actually sharing any in the politics threads, just shows up to dunk on people weakly. I ain't gonna front like I ain't posted some trash threads/posts during COVID, but he has a habit of showing up just to mock earnest discussion. or create polls that point out how above everybody he is.

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this movie should be called "I WAS CUCKED BY A TEENAGE ROBOT!!!"

― lumen (esby), Thursday, June 18, 2020 9:31 PM bookmarkflaglink
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OFFICIAL WORLDWIDE !! COVID-19 IS OVER !! PARTY THREAD
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I think my favorite part of pizza is the cum

― lumen (esby), Wednesday, May 27, 2020 1:55 PM bookmarkflaglink
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the slaves trump would have owned also would have had covid!!!!!!!!!

― lumen (esby), Tuesday, May 19, 2020 2:27 PM bookmarkflaglink

important not to forget this vital point and I can't believe ppl are disregarding it!!!!!

― lumen (esby), Tuesday, May 19, 2020 2:28 PM bookmarkflaglink
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Being a socialist, a radical, or an anarchist is not the same as 'bitching loudly on the internet every day'.
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undo/lift curse?
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one easy trick to end the nonstop overwrought political direness: ban the leftists

― lumen (esby), Saturday, April 11, 2020 5:15 PM bookmarkflaglink

i agree we need more women here, I would like to tell them that their taste in music is wrong

― lumen (esby), Sunday, April 12, 2020 12:03 AM bookmarkflaglink
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hey comrades, how many millions of $ were we supposed to give to wealthy white brooklynites before we start saving all the marginalized and at risk ppl again? i forgot..

― lumen (esby), Tuesday, March 10, 2020 4:30 PM bookmarkflaglink
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IF YOU DO THAT YOU CONDONE MULTIPLE NOTORIOUS GENOCIDES BEEP BLOOP B ERNIE SANDERS BORP

― lumen (esby), Thursday, March 5, 2020 10:48 PM bookmarkflaglink
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should other people have different opinions?
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but let's hope CORONAVIRUS only kills the bad olds and not Bernie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

― lumen (esby), Wednesday, February 26, 2020 9:54 PM bookmarkflaglink
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hot ppl are just better, sorry

― lumen (esby), Tuesday, February 11, 2020 1:49 PM bookmarkflaglink
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this board deserves so much more trolling than it gets tbh... y'all are, like, the bougiest ppl in the world

― lumen (esby), Tuesday, February 4, 2020 11:54 AM bookmarkflaglink
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Bernie saves woman's life by yelling at her
Bernie solves billionaires by yelling at them
Bernie fixes health care by yelling at it
Bernie escapes death's clutches by yelling at death
Bernie lifts off into space by yelling at the ground

― lumen (esby), Monday, January 27, 2020 3:53 PM bookmarkflaglink
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i feel like i have read this article a million times.

you surely have, it's pt. 34985859340293849494 in the 'men (bad) should be women (good)' series. there's nothing wrong with these kids. teenagers are horny??? men laugh at jokes their friends make instead of chastising them for being inappropriate???? my stars, it all just makes me want to cry

― lumen (esby), Monday, December 16, 2019 10:52 PM bookmarkflaglink
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• ^^ all these conservative opinions are boring
• trump is alive and he is your president and that's ok, having a decade long emotional response to this is nagl imo
• socialism is incel economics
• whoever said boomers and gen x are indistinguishable was otm you guys watch snl and listen to the eagles
• thank you for loving esby

― lumen (esby), Monday, November 18, 2019 4:11 PM bookmarkflaglink
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lol. a Fancy White in his 2nd year of college is what I meant yeah, but you know, whatever fills yr bag

― lumen (esby), Thursday, October 17, 2019 5:17 PM bookmarkflaglink

don't worry, grampa's gonna start the revolution any day now and then it's off to the re-education camps for me

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what is the most woke body of water?
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so when trump wins reëlection and the civil war starts are y'all actually gonna take up arms and fight or are you just going to post the same horseshit here for yet another 4 years?
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TRUMP
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I mean it’s also the progressive version of owning the libs

― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, September 20, 2019 5:45 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

once again i ask: what exactly is it you guys think you do here all day?

― lumen (esby), Friday, September 20, 2019 9:09 PM bookmarkflaglink
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change thread title to 'Rutger Hauer is a DEAD'

― lumen (esby), Wednesday, July 24, 2019 3:02 PM bookmarkflaglink
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from the "Homophobia - Why?" thread:

str8 so apols for the ignorance but... what, exactly, do you guys do with the jizzboards

― lumen (esby), Monday, July 15, 2019 3:51 PM bookmarkflaglink
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there is one alternate universe out of billions where ivanka is a really cool and nice person despite her upbringing, and i feel sorry for her because she's placed in these insane situations where she has be around political leaders and pretend like she belongs. must be excruciating for her, in that alternative universe. in this one, though, she fakes it til she makes it and later is like 'i architected the fuck out of that greet and meet, j kush'

― i will never make a typo ever again (Karl Malone), Sunday, June 30, 2019 12:17 PM bookmarkflaglink

i guess she'll just have to settle for this universe, where she's smoking hot and her dad is the president :(

― lumen (esby), Sunday, June 30, 2019 12:23 PM bookmarkflaglink

Time4FiftyOne

― Got your butt drank (Neanderthal), Sunday, June 30, 2019 12:57 PM bookmarkflaglink

esby's not so much out-of-bounds as just annoying and inane. it would be like killing a flea.

― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, June 30, 2019 1:06 PM bookmarkflaglink

annoying and inane

Oh, and I forgot to say "pointless and without redeeming value".

― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, June 30, 2019 1:08 PM bookmarkflaglink

go screw, you dusty farmer's almanac

― lumen (esby), Sunday, June 30, 2019 1:13 PM bookmarkflaglink
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all 'indie' music is just an absolute affront

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can you imagine being a normie, just making blithe observations about trump then going on to discuss pop culture? leaving us ilxors have to fight the war against trump w. hitler on our own, one chapo ep at a time? beyond fucked.

― lumen (esby), Friday, May 10, 2019 3:56 PM bookmarkflaglink

He's been with us for nearly 15 years

Why has he been with us for 15 years? What's he getting out of it? The chance to be The Guy Who Dares To Say The Unsayable, what a fucking pathetic waste of 15 years of his time.

i've been here 16 years and I've been SBed twice, told to go fuck myself, and shot at by other ilxors

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W99n083E0IA

Why has he been with us for 15 years? What's he getting out of it? The chance to be The Guy Who Dares To Say The Unsayable, what a fucking pathetic waste of 15 years of his time.

We have several of these and esby > Morbius all day every day until the heat death of the universe.

<3 morbs

i read Morbs more as angst from decades of frustration vs "I'm better than you", though he infuriates me now and then, I value his opinions on many things, which is more than I can say for esby

No fucking way, Morbz is a legend, this esby character isn't fit to tie his shoelaces.

Forming opinions about the relative worth of ilxors is unavoidable. Rating ilxors on ilx is not a good habit. I don't encourage it.

Somee of those are funny and ILE could use a ribbing at times imo. There's been a lot worse on the noise board.

I like esby's contributions to IMM and the ILM comp.

None of it was funny except for the 'dusty farmer's almanac' jibe - Aimless obv. brings out the best in satirists.

I live to serve.

Did esby's username change? I was here for like five years (06-11), then back on and off with some notable longer absences. I don't remember esby at all.

sleepingbag iirc?

oh, beloved user sleepingbag

Also burt stanton, Spectrum, and larry appleton, no?

nah the latter two were likely the same, burt's a lawyer who doesn't wipe his ass and GRIM REAPAH

less esby, more gilmore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CS627aKrJI&t=24s

aw boo try this

Why are you guys doing this on this thread

Gilmore is amazing, teaching her work is always an incredible experience.

xpost good point, this was not the thread to be heading up this diversion on, so I apologize

Straw/camel's back.

I'm bookmarking that video for later

many of you need to spend less time on the internet or at least ILX

Will happily send PDF of Gilmore's work if you message me

I’d love a pdf, table. Email in profile works.

Yeah, that Gilmore video is great and an excellent primer

https://www.laopera.org/discover/laoathome/lift-every-voice/
https://www.instagram.com/operaisracist/

appreciate this convo. I've been personally internally chewing on the utility or inutility of "BIPOC" from a few directions--its political utility, descriptive utility (neither of which i'm convinced of at the moment) as well as who seems to be using it.https://t.co/M2J4BvnVoE

— wikipedia brown is behind the fireworks. surprise (@eveewing) June 30, 2020

i can understand the frustration with BIPOC in its flattening use as "not white."

But over time, miles-hercules says, the term “people of color” lost its political force. “It then became a way to just kind of group all nonwhite people together in ways that weren’t necessarily productive,” they say. “In my own work as a linguist, and from my own perspective as a linguist, I see this as an erasure, which I consider a linguistic violence.”

putting aside my own kneejerk revulsion to claims of things like "linguistic violence" i think miles-hercules just expects too much that all uses of language be productive in every instantiation. the process by which radical political language gets smoothed out is inevitable and ultimately ppl need words that are merely descriptive/pragmatic. if you tell them that X is the right term and not Y they'll gravitate towards X but you'll inevitably lose the radical component. i don't see a way out of this - you can't create language that is radical enough for its imparted politics survive its own mainstreaming and you can't [reasonably] demand that ppl bring political consciousness to every conversation much of which is be purely functional or mundane. if you ever wondered why the terms keep getting updated possibly it's out of a misguided attempt to outrun this process?

Soda, will send later this afternoon. Away from the laptop atm

Apologies if this is the wrong thread, but is there a good article or link that puts more context to the march in front of the crazy armed lawyers' house in STL? I'm seeing a barrage of people defending the couple because "the protesters tore down the fence" (not that even that would have excused two clearly untrained idiots to wave guns around with fingers on triggers and safeties off), but I haven't seen one single angle or video that shows anything of the sort.

ex-St. Louisan here.

1. There is a gate blocking vehicles. Not pedestrians. Pretty sure there is an open entrance for pedestrians and sidewalk is still public. Lots of streets in that neighborhood are that way. You can walk through - and sometimes people do, just to get to another street, but not drive through.

2. I have seen photos of *a* gate bent downwards and partly torn away, but I can't confirm which street gate that is, or when it was bent, etc. It's irrelevant to the pedestrian situation.

3. As you note, Jesus fucking Christ if anyone is more concerned about the gate than the injustice being protested, or more than the sheer fuckedupedness of posing like Rambo in a pink polo shirt.... gah

Thanks, just trying to understand more and sort through the disinformation. There's a lot of morons defending these two, some I'm unfortunately related to, on a lot of grounds and I want to be able to more confidently discredit some of the more obvious bullshit.

Sounds pretty similar to some streets I've seen in north shore suburbs - closed to vehicular traffic, but openings on the sidewalks to allow pedestrians to pass through easily.

https://www.curbed.com/2020/6/29/21306868/st-louis-gun-couple-protest-street

Thanks for that link, in orbit.

This video is instructive

In this video you can see protestors walk right through the gate. It’s not destroyed when they walk onto the street.

You can hear McCloskey, “get the hell out of my neighborhood.” pic.twitter.com/ZbBNP2Xc4v

— Alexis Zotos (@alexiszotos) June 29, 2020

Thanks, hadn't seen that one.

This property is BOTH public and private. The residences are private. (Homes tend to be that way.) The roads and sidewalks are maintained by the city, and therefore... *drumroll*... PUBLIC.

I know this, because zoning is public record. There are like, maps and shit. pic.twitter.com/k7mGmhMS6m

— Shane Morris (@IamShaneMorris) June 29, 2020

Different topic: I thought this was very good
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/the-messy-politics-of-black-voices-and-black-voice-in-american-animation

(I was reminded how shallow the pool of human black characters is, recently, when I attempted to find my cartoon doppelgänger to participate in the “cartoon me” meme circulating on Twitter.)

man, it's this shit. over and over.

i'm old enough to remember sucking on an otter pop and watching Channel 17 reruns of amos and andy on a black-and-white television with a wire hanger antenna

(which is to say, as if it were necessary, this shit is not ancient; it's recent)

This is pretty satisfying to see (long overdue, but still).

https://www.newsleader.com/story/news/2020/07/01/stonewall-jackson-richmond-va-confederate-statues-civil-war-general-us-history/5358621002/

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/us/banking-while-black-racism-trnd/index.html

Benndrick Watson's story is insane

That Sauntore Thomas one I remember as being particularly fucked up. Guy was cashing a settlement check from an anti-discrimination suit, right? And then he had the cops called on him for trying to cash the settlement check. Absurdly racist.

reminds me of this case that happened here in Vancouver late last year https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/indigenous-girl-grandfather-handcuffed-bank-1.5419519

Fucking shameful. Did BMO end up taking action beyond issuing a lame semi-apology?

I don't believe so

https://i.imgur.com/H6FMe1S.gif

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/02/us/banking-while-black-racism-trnd/index.html

Benndrick Watson's story is insane

― shout-out to his family (DJP), Thursday, July 2, 2020 3:57 PM bookmarkflaglink

how does one just "accidentally" say a racial slur in the midst of doing a transaction, and try to play it off like anybody coulda made that "mistake".....

perhaps he was casually quoting The Coup

I think he was nervously looking for a chance to bring out his mixtape and overstepped

Thomas Jefferson Portrait Recreated By His Sixth Great-Grandson

It's fascinating because the chin is there, the cheekbones are there...the second you look at it, you think, "Yep, those two are related."

https://petapixel.com/assets/uploads/2020/07/thomasjefferson_shannonlanier.jpg

https://bloomingtonian.com/2020/07/05/bloomington-man-threatened-with-noose-during-assault-at-lake-monroe/

Terrifying.

was just about to post about that.

that is a terrifying story. the videos...ugh. it makes me so deeply ashamed of my upbringing. i recognize those "kind" of people, which is a rude way to characterize people, i know, but fuck, i KNOW those racist assholes, every single one of them in the video, from the old racist drunk guy to the young racist girl holding a beer can while a man almost gets lynched, to the drunk guy who is sort of trying to help but can't speak, the dumb fucking racist bystander who stands there 10 feet away doing absolutely nothing. etc etc. i fucking hate all of them.

just as i was typing that, an old friend of mine (grew up in the same area) said pretty much the same exact thing to me, unprompted. he said "i feel like i've seen these exact people before in Missouri, even though I obviously haven't".

Fuck, that is scary.

i hope every single one of them is identified

the one time Doxing would be justified and just

multiple people on twitter are fainting about "irregardless" now being a word according to merriam webster. english has a million contradictions in it and prescriptivism, particularly about 'irregardless', is racist and classist.

I'm cool with 'irregardless' but 'I could care less' is indefensible.

irregardless has been a word forever, why do these self appointed language experts refuse to learn how language works or what dictionaries do

I could care less is fine, I’m a huge fan of the non-literal literally

language pedants are the worst

i used to kind of be one and i was kind of the worst

"Can I use the restroom?"

"I don't know, can you?"

"gtfo out of my way you pedantic cockface"

'Literally' is hyperbole whereas 'I could care less' is just a fuck you to meaning, which I guess I should endorse, since I hate it too.

xpost the previous example actually was my linguist friend's biggest bugbear for a while

"i could care less" is just "i don't give a fuck" for uptight people

I say "I could care east"

It works when it's aggressive, i.e. 'I don't give a fuck about getting the expression right either', but it annoys me to no end when it's just 'I've never paid attention to the things that come out of my mouth when I'm speaking'.

It's weird how "I couldn't care less," "irregardless" and "literally" are the three bugbears of popular prescriptivism when English has a million other illogical expressions (literally a million) and those three expressions aren't even used that often

I knew someone that thought the term was "minds a well" instead of "might as well", I'd like to see that adopted

I hole-hardedly agree, but allow me to play doubles advocate here for a moment. For all intensive purposes I think you are wrong. In an age where false morals are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies. We often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granite. So I ask of you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy dog world out there. Although there is some merit to what you are saying it seems like you have a huge ship on your shoulder. In your argument you seem to throw everything in but the kids Nsync, and even though you are having a feel day with this I am here to bring you back into reality. I have a sick sense when it comes to these types of things. It is almost spooky, because I cannot turn a blonde eye to these glaring flaws in your rhetoric. I have zero taller ants when it comes to people spouting out hate in the name of moral righteousness. You just need to remember what comes around is all around, and when supply and command fails you will be the first to go. Make my words, when you get down to brass stacks it doesn't take rocket appliances to get two birds stoned at once. It's clear who makes the pants in this relationship, and sometimes you just have to swallow your prize and accept the facts. You might have to come to this conclusion through denial and error but I swear on my mother's mating name that when you put the petal to the medal you will pass with flying carpets like it’s a peach of cake.

xp which reminds me of one of my favorite stories from the year i spent working as a stocker/register jockey at a rural salvation army
wherein my boss at the time left a note on an armoire informing me that "THESE ARE MY CHESTER DRAWERS"

Roland Barthes: 'language is, quite simply, fascist . . . for fascism does not so much prevent someone from speaking as it forces them to speak.'

"I’m a huge fan of the non-literal literally"

oh i bet

i could care less.... but fuck it

the one time Doxing would be justified and just

I'd say there's considerably more than this one instance

interesting post, pomenitul, but I think you're bugging the question.

I don't literally care, you know. It's all a language-game anyway.

"Can I use the restroom?"

my fav response to this is "i hope so"

Can i use the restroom is the best song off of SSoaSS

proper response to "i hope so" is to piss on the speaker's shoes and say "your prayers are now answered"

feel like this whole discussion would belong in a thread about words and phrases or something.

yeah no kidding

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/08/us/andres-guardado-autopsy/index.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrffW5au8lA

I don't know what's happening in the US but it seems like every sports event in the UK has been 100% behind BLM, kneeling before matches, wearing Black Lives Matter on their shirts, the West Indies cricket team were even wearing single black gloves before the test match with England.

MLS is the only sport back atm and they did a lengthy BLM presentation before first match

Washington Hatcats to announce the retirement of their name tomorrow per WaPo

Washington Hen Fap

Washington Swamp-Asses

all it took was money

it's gonna be the Washington Snyders and have his big grotesque face as the logo

“What a terrible question to ask” — Donald Trump reacts to George Floyd’s killing by suggesting to CBS that systemic racism is a myth because more white people are killed by cops than blacks people (nevermind that a much higher percentage of black people are) pic.twitter.com/dhnHNh4irS

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) July 14, 2020

is this guy trump a racist, or what

let's give him some time and see if any more evidence builds up

yikes Nick Cannon

i will never understand who listens to a podcast by nick cannon

what could he possibly talk about

He's probably got some good Mariah stories.

ain't no podcast like a nick cannon podcast cause a nick cannon podcast doesn't apologize for blatant anti-semitism

He's probably got some good Mariah stories.

If Nick Cannon ever told any "good Mariah stories" he'd be found in multiple trash bags a week later.

The latest big shockwave in the world of sports.

http://www.tsn.ca/edmonton-cfl-franchise-to-drop-eskimos-name-1.1496402

(For what it's worth, the Edmonton franchise is the Packers/Cowboys/Patriots of the CFL; that's where Warren Moon began, and my guess would be they've won far more championships--Grey Cups--than any other CFL team.)

Brief swing back to Nancy Green, the original Aunt Jemima: the Times printed an obituary a century late

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/17/obituaries/nancy-green-aunt-jemima-overlooked.html

Green was buried in an unmarked grave in Oakwood Cemetery in Chicago. That same year, the United Daughters of the Confederacy nearly succeeded in erecting a monument to “faithful colored mammies.” Legislation was approved by the United States Senate, but did not make it past the House.

****

Green's great-great-great nephew, Marcus Hayes, is studying to become a pastor at Oakwood University in Alabama, which is affiliated with the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Hayes said in a phone interview that Green had used her prominence to promote equality and would be disappointed that others had profited from her talent while her family received no recognition or compensation. “She would want the real story to be told of her and the ladies that came after her,” Hayes said. “Aunt Jemima is more than a character. She is Nancy Green, and this is her recipe, and her legacy must be told.”

Sherry Williams, the president of The Bronzeville Historical Society, which preserves African-American culture in Chicago, writes, “History does not simply disappear when you remove the Aunt Jemima image and brand name. Aunt Jemima is representative of the countless Black women who were and are the essential workers. Nancy Green in particular is the ideal woman to salute.”

LOL

https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/20/us/st-louis-couple-weapons-protesters-charges/index.html

buT tHEY sHOUldN't hAve Been "PRotEsTing" iN A PrIVATe neigHbOrHOOd

Oops

https://percolately.com/kkk-member-threatens-protesters-identified/

Hahaha that was glorious

smug to shocked to amused to angry to ashamed, what a buffet

Newly available to the public for streaming:

https://americanarchive.org/catalog?f%5Baccess_types%5D%5B%5D=online&f%5Bseries_titles%5D%5B%5D=Black+Journal&sort=episode_number_sort+asc

In the spring of 1968, the nation was reeling from protests in hundreds of cities in response to the assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., racial inequality and school segregation, and the Vietnam War. Media reports on these issues came from white-dominated network news programs.
It was at this crucial moment that New York City’s National Educational Television (NET), the precursor to WNET and the PBS network, launched the public television series Black Journal, produced by Black talents. Premiering on June 12, 1968, the first episode included the recently widowed Coretta Scott King speaking that very day at Harvard University, a progress report on Dr. Martin Luther King’s Poor People’s Campaign, and a study of the African American political reaction to Robert Kennedy’s assassination, which had occurred that week.

Black Journal’s broadcasts spanned 1968 to 1977 and 59 episodes from the series are available to stream for the first time, thanks to The WNET Group’s participation in The American Archive of Public Broadcasting.

https://www.thirteen.org/blog-post/historic-black-journal-streams-for-the-first-time/

excellent, thank you

stfu honky incarcerator

The moment that we're living through is more Kwame Ture than John Lewis. Clinton's remark isn't just historical commentary, but a plea to quell the insurgent Black radicalism we're seeing today. If Bill Clinton approves of your goals and methods, you're not going hard enough https://t.co/lFOeBUVrbF

— abolicious (@telushk) July 30, 2020

Fuck youuuu Bill

https://soundcloud.com/secondcaptains/ep-1825-the-players-chair-with-danny-rose-020820

Danny Rose interview on Second Captains

I thought this was an interesting article that also highlights the devolution of the Republican Party as much as it highlights the evolution of Elizabeth Warren: https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2020/08/03/elizabeth-warrens-journey-on-race-is-a-preview-of-her-partys

that is an interesting article, thank you for sharing it djp

it's definitely good to hear about warren's journey. it makes me think of what i've read of bobby kennedy's journey in the '60s.

and honestly, a lot of it resonates with my own experience. i'm always cautious about how much to center my own experience in any conversation about race, as much as i know that white people need to openly talk about their own prejudices, so i'll just leave it at that for now.

Gun store sends purchase info and cam footage of black customers to state police.

https://www.bluehogreport.com/2020/08/05/wildin-out-local-gun-store-shows-how-systemic-racism-works/

Filed under "jesus fucking christ" and "totally unsurprising". Hope those dudes file a lawsuit and end up owning that gun store.

attended a pretty interesting zoom lecture about the silent march of 1917

https://www.boweryboyshistory.com/2020/07/listening-silent-parade-1917-forgotten-civil-rights-march.html

https://nationalhumanitiescenter.org/pds/maai2/forward/text4/silentprotest.pdf

Ugh.

A White Couple Allegedly Terrorized Their Black Neighbor for 3 Years

In July, Jennifer McLeggan — a 39-year-old Black single mom who lives in Valley Stream, New York — posted a sign in the doorway of her home. On it, she accused her two white neighbors, John McEneaney, 57, and his live-in girlfriend Mindy Canarick, 53, of several abuses, and concluded, “I live in FEAR for my life at home.”

McLeggan, a registered nurse, wrote that she had a recording of her neighbors goading their friends into spitting on her property. She said the couple also walked around the back of her house holding BB guns, took a blowtorch to her house late one night, wore blackface, threw feces on her lawn, left four dead squirrels in her yard, and said that McLeggan could be “erased.” She wrote that when police were contacted, they told her that she needed to be harmed in order for them to proceed with an arrest.

On Monday, police arrested McEneaney and Canarick and charged them with several misdemeanors. The pair have allegedly harassed McLeggan for three years. Canarick was charged with criminal tampering in the third degree, and McEneaney with criminal mischief in the fourth degree and harassment in the first degree. The couple were arraigned at the Hempstead District Court and subsequently released. Sources told CBS2 that McEneaney’s father has been accused of similar harassment, but prosecutors have not found enough evidence to arrest him.

...

Judge Erica Prager has reportedly granted McLeggan an order of protection from her two neighbors, but McLeggan told ABC News she feels even less safe now, especially since they are still living next door. “I just feel like now they’re more dangerous because now they’ve been arrested,” she said.

Thank god they finally prosecuted her neighbors but she's likely correct that they're gonna feel newly energized.
McLeggan and FLOW were recently on Desus and Mero:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3pEuXX1vPQ

jesus what a bunch of shitbags. glad that woman's ok, at least for now

Damn, that's making me misty. Fuck Valley Stream racists.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2020/10/jon-henrys-stranger-fruit-shows-black-mothers-constant-fear-of-loss-and-trauma/

There is a demand put upon you with “Stranger Fruit.” That much is clear. The photographs of mothers and sons, of Black bodies—whole and unpierced, yet still Christ-like in death—do not gently plead with viewers any more than street protesters merely invite police to change. These are Black mothers, sitting, standing, kneeling with their lifeless sons, staring straight at the camera, straight at the viewer, straight at the nation, commanding your attention, and it costs you dearly to see them. But it costs more to look away.

The mothers are seen with their sons of varying ages, posed in the classic pietà, a grieving Mary holding the dead body of Christ. The photos are shot in big cities and other places where you can see a motionless Black body without visible trauma and believe that the person is dead. These places, you understand, are complicit in what you are seeing. Henry, who for 15 years worked as a sexton in Queens, says this project was inspired by Christian iconography and memories of his mother’s incessant worry as he was growing up. Stepping outside always brought exhortations to her only child to be careful, to stay safe, to make it back home.

http://i.imgur.com/U85Ghfp.png
http://i.imgur.com/r1FnZE7.png
http://i.imgur.com/Bzdqyjc.png

Courtesy of France's very own Breitbart:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/29/french-magazine-sorry-portraying-black-mp-slave-danele-obono-valeurs-actuelles

https://blackmusiclibrary.com/Library

Rachel Dolezal Syndrome strikes again:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2020/09/03/white-gwu-professor-admits-she-falsely-claimed-black-identity/

This is the textbook definition of "damned if you do, damned if you don't": https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/11/us/michigan-dearborn-cafes-segregated-trnd/index.html

I'll stand in the doorway of any virtual cafe that promotes segregated conversation!

Meanwhile in Los Angeles, the Center Theatre Group - an entertainment complex that includes the Kirk Douglas Theatre and a bunch of other stuff - apparently instituted something they called "staff affinity spaces."

These staff affinity spaces included one for BIPOC rejuvenation, and a separate one for white learning.

This is from an inside source. I am not aware of much more detail.

when keeping it real goes wrong

Sorry, I had the wording wrong. From their website:

"This summer, we launched two ongoing, facilitated staff affinity spaces—a space for BIPOC healing and activation and a white learning space."

https://www.centertheatregroup.org/about/social-accountability/latest-updates/

I can see the good intentions there, because theater has a ways to go on POC inclusion. But I can also kind of anticipate the inevitable blowback on whether these affinity spaces are able to use the same water fountains etc etc etc.

Are white staff required to spend a minimum amount of time in the "learning space"? And who will be guiding their "learning"? What will the curriculum be?

I don't know. Fortunately, like a lot of live theater companies, they also just made a bunch of layoffs. So at least they are avoiding potential overcrowding in the "white learning space."

misread that multi times as "white leaning"

The white leaning space is just a bunch of lampposts, in a room with no chairs.

White people just say "hey, I'm on break. Gonna go and lean on stuff for a while."

"Oh yeah? Well how come there's no white learning space???"

"It's right over there, second door on the left."

"Oh."

pplains, the more likely complaint is "what about WHITE 'healing and activation'?"

And why no "BIPOC learning space"?

Voting for “uncoerced multiracial fuckspace,” is that in there?

I think it’s more like

Oh yeah? Well how come there's no white learning space???"

"It's right over there, second door on the left."

“What?! You’re the real racist!!!”

https://i.imgur.com/1yCDG4l.jpg

two great tastes together at last, like peanut butter and defibrillator gel

lol

Black lives make America great again? Cool.

I need to save this virtuosic Washington Post headline + stub for posterity:

Allegations of racism have marked Trump’s term, becoming key issue as election nears
There is a substantial record of President Trump’s actions that have compounded the perceptions of racism created by his words.

The Copyeditors & Grammar Fiends thread might be equally appropriate; you'd need 3D modelling software to diagram that sentence.

"Trump is Racist" apparently still not playing in peoria

xp this was the post's leading story (on their website) this morning:

https://i.imgur.com/1RxMeNi.png

that's one way to describe it, i guess

Some allege that Trump's fervent promotion of the re-enslavement of African Americans may in fact be racist, but is it fair for us to assert what really lies in his heart?

ffs

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020/sep/24/investigation-launched-after-black-barrister-mistaken-for-defendant-three-times-in-a-day

I thought this was interesting:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/12/opinions/former-white-supremacist-how-to-tackle-hate-buckley/index.html

Wow

https://www.theroot.com/wyoming-congressman-apologizes-for-tweeting-where-the-1845905063?utm_campaign=The+Root&utm_content=1608237779&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3zov8r4wCZ-s6HAsqZZGyavBEl8wNpjXmeiF7c4IKRAe2uMOHkNd6Bml8

he is very sorry for the joke he made which he did not really fully intend or understand, a joke which was kind of foisted on him actually, and to the extent that this thing that happened to him may have troubled other people, he is sorry.

Have read that Hitler was a chaotic insecure leader who had his staff intentionally in conflict to stop them plotting against him. So a big influence on t I take it.

Also he was totally deluded about what was happening towards the end. Moving around tank units that had long since been destroyed. I guess at least t didn't quite manage to get the US into War try as he might. But the quixoticism is still pretty high and I'm sure he'll find some more fun over the next couple of weeks.

I mean why concentrate on the negative stuff.

One really good resource on Race I read this year was Angela Saini's book Superior which looks at the history of race science and shows the major flaws. I.e. why it should be viewed with extreme scepticism since it was set up to explain why the white man was so superior and threw out all the little details as to why he wasn't.
She was triggered to write it by seeing a rise in similar thought appearing recently. The book came out in the summer this year.
I also read Bruce Pascoe's book Dark Emu which looked into distortion in the Western view of Australian Aboriginal history and culture. Like if one goes into an occupied area in such a way as to destroy the ecosystem and whatever buildings etc are in it one can so easily con oneself that the occupants are rootless nomads. Particularly when it helps your expansionist ideas.

Current read David Olusoga on various ethnicities brought into the First World War and fighting outside Europe.
Input has been all too readily ignored.

We don’t “complain” of racist treatment. WE RECEIVE IT. Amplify her story. Then do something about it. https://t.co/HJKec1W7pi

— Jessica Isom MD MPH (@DrJessIsomMDMPH) December 24, 2020

I don’t advocate for violence in most cases, but ...

https://www.theroot.com/man-dubbed-mr-teako-after-smacking-n-word-spewing-whit-1845976157

yoooooooooooooo this is fantastic

Damn! Nice!

lol @ smacklemore

Honestly this was so gratifying because I've been in line at a convenience store behind "that racist guy" too many times. Dude will always start out by being a garden variety asshole -- wanting attention, flexing his power by holding up the line and trying to "be funny" ... and nobody gives a fuck, people want to get their frozen pizza, their sale beer, ice cream, doritos, cigarettes, tampons, etc. and get the fuck home. Everyone there was probably already thinking, "this guy is an asshole" and I'm sure at least a few of them were also thinking, "I bet this guy is also racist AF. Is he gonna start on some racist shit?" ... and then, because dude wanted attention and power and an audience, yep, racist AF. Meanwhile, everyone there is having their time wasted by this idiot. ... In summary, Mr. TeaKO -- a true hero.

that video has become THE meme for gen z rn

My god, I wasn't prepared for the impact of the Twisted Tea on dude's melon. Epic af.

Glad this fuck took a few more to the head afterwards.

“I called my wife soon as I got in the car,” he said. “By the time I got in the car and started moving and backed out and got on the road, I’m telling my wife, ‘I hit a guy in the face with a can.’ She’s like, ‘I know. I’m watching it.’ The lady had 5,000 views by the time I drove two blocks home.”

Gen Z? Lol everyone I know is posting memes about it, but Twisted Tea is also very popular with aging punks, so that might explain it.

also baltimore's new comptroller

Happy New Year's Eve!! You made it through the year! Keep it up, by staying home. I mean it! pic.twitter.com/g0GW9MBMy2

— Comptroller Bill (@BillforBmore) December 31, 2020

It’s funny because I feel like there was a moment maybe in the Odd Future era where young millennial whites where just gonna push through and start using that word in a friendly manner. I wonder if this dude came up in that era or is just the regular, timeless asshole

*were

dude lol

I guess young millennial whites like getting beat?

or is just the regular, timeless asshole

the vid makes it clear he's an asshole start to finish

And a big weenie

Loled at how he looked shook before he weakly came at Tea-K.O. after he got hit with the tea.

At the tail end of the video he smiles slightly to himself, as if to tell himself, "I fought a black man and I'm able to walk away - that was so badass of me" when the truth is the black guy could have pulped him, but decided to let his pitiful ass off easy.

It was very much full of “I think I can beat Mike Tyson” energy

props to the beater for recovering and giving a great workmanlike performance after dropping the tea in the beginning

I was wondering if that was an intentional feint or not.

Refusing to consider that prolapsed sphincter’s insane, drunken, racist psychodrama is how I try to maintain any feelings of dignity.

But still the soprano “OKAY!! OKAY!!?!” is p next level.

Didnt look ok bud.