takashi miike

Ichi made me feel really gross, but I'm still glad I saw it. Actually, I have the feeling this can be said for most of his films. I still haven't seen Audition though...

(The soundtrack to Ichi is also good.)

how were the other films you've seen so far martin?

I've enjoyed 7 out of 8 (the other was my girlfriend's choice, an okay Argentine flick), mostly Oriental films, which is my big specialist interest. The two I've looked forward to most are tomorrow and Tuesday, A Chinese Odyssey (which sounds utterly crazed) and Lilya-4-Ever, the new Lukas Moodysson.

ha my girlf wants me to come see polissons et galipettes, that old porn one. she's paying, natch

don't suppose you saw russian ark?

yes. got to see all of them.

just saw the first DoA. my favorite so far in the line of Miike's more over-the-top ultraviolent manga films (Ichi, Fudoh, etc). haven't had this kind of fun since the first time i saw "Fist of the North Star" as a young teen. i want to see the sequels now but have no idea how to find them....

I love that series (the movie was terrible tho').

Takashi Miike is obviously a director with huge amounts of energy and innovative thoughts, but he seems to have trouble controlling that energy to make coherent, flawless movies. The more of of his films I see, the more I begin to suspect he'll never something as good as Audition, the one film of his which is coherent from the beginning to the very end.

Diego OTM (as per usual).

Is it worth struggling through the last 1:40 if I'm already squicked?

its rad btw

re: miike, ive onyl seen happiness of the katakiris and it was off the chain, the zombie dancing is awesome. dont want to watch audition and ichi etc cos i am a wimp

Nope. The film is kinda formless, and there aren't that many funnily macabre scenes, even less than in Visitor Q. Audition and Happiness of the Katakuris are the only ones of his films I'd recommend wholeheartedly (see myst post uphtread). Dead or Alive is worth seeing too, I guess, if only for what is one of the most jaw-dropping endings in the history of cinema.

It sorta feels like Miike is a victim of the fanboy syndrome; he's talented, sure, but he just keeps on feeding his core audience hungry for gore and shock values. There's nothing wrong with blood and the macabre per se, obviously (Audition proves he can make a good film using them), but in films like Ichi there's nothing more.

SO THERE.

is there going to be a BFI short book about it? can anybody direct me to any good writing about the film?

which of the gangster movies should i watch next, "graveyard of honor" or "dead or alive"?

"Dead or Alive" is pretty fun, haven't seen any of the sequels.

The next person who says Miike is a genius must sit through all the "Young Thugs" films.

And who the heck's saying that Visitor Q isn't a comedy until the final 3rd? It's a comedy the minute Q whacks Dad w/ a brick!

Izo is quite numbingly depressing save for a couple great scenes. It's very well made, but my brain just turned off midway through. He sure loves birthing scenes and lactation.

http://monkeytownhq.com/horrorweek.html

http://imdb.com/title/tt0257885/

Holy crap - Miike is IN Hostel (directed by that Cabin Fever guy)!

http://www.kaijushakedown.com/2006/11/weirdness_ho_mi.html

oh man.... awesome!!!!!

This will rock my socks.

Audition: His best. I don't care if he never tops it, it's a bit like complaining Coppola never topped The Godfather; there are plenty of other goodies in Miike's swollen corpus.

Box: This is his segment of Three: Extremes, and its probably my favorite after Audition. At first you'll say "oh noes scary Asian girl w/ long straight hair again" but then Miike goes so far in 3 different directions that your eyes start to gently cross. There's a poetic fairy tale simplicity to the way the story unfolds, and the final shot both surprises and makes perfect dream-logic sense.

Graveyard of Honor: This is quite good, and those who complain that Miike is incapable of maintaining mood need to absorb this 2+ hour straight forward character study of a gangster careening his way into an early grave. If you need to empathize with a character's actions in order to enjoy a film then this probably isn't for you, but as an unblinking study in self-destructive sociopathy it's hard to beat.

City of Lost Souls: Embodies many Miike tendencies that I don't like (hyperactivity, shallow characterization, cheap action) but this one works for some reason. Don't laugh, but the light touch + forward pitch used to tell the tale of doomed criminal lovers trapped in a postmodern funhouse reminds of me of early Godard stuff like À bout de souffle, Band à parte, and Pierrot le fou (though this may be received-Godard by way of Tarantino/Scott's True Romance). Lots of replay value, and anytime I put it on I find myself sucked into its ridiculous web.

Ichii The Killer: Manga made flesh, think X-men Go Salò, and a very potent rumination on sadism, masochism, and vengeance. A lot of people are put off by the misogyny, and they should be. It's not a pretty movie, and I'd fault it more if the film weren't so successful at creating a fantasy world that operates by its own twisted rules. By rights it shouldn't be as funny or as effective as it is, but it is. Like Cronenberg's Crash on crank. I wish they had kept the original name, though: Killer #1.

Happiness of the Katakuris: You must have a very sensitive funny bone to be amused by most of what goes on here, and George Landis and Michael Jackson did dancing zombies much better a long time ago. But it is tres wacky, and there are several numbers worth the price of admission, mainly the first love song and the final number.

Visitor Q: If it were half as involving as it were shocking, it would be a success, but I didn't care a) what happened to any of these characters, or b) where it was going. The song playing over the final credits is fantastic, though.

Dead Or Alive: I just couldn't get with this. Yes, it's hyperactive and the ending is mind-blowing. So what? Maybe it'd be different in a theatre with 100 brahs throwing popcorn at the screen, but as a movie there was not a lot of substance there for me to grab hold of. I've heard DOA 2: Birds is better, though.

Still want to see: Black Society Trilogy (Shinjuku Triad Society, Ley Lines, Rainy Dog), DOA 2, DOA Final, Blues Harp, Bird People of China, Gozu, Sabu, Great Yokai War and Imprint

Not very interested in (should I be?): Fudoh, Nostalgia, Innocent Blood, Full Metal Gokudo, Salaryman Kintaro, The Guys From Paradise, MPD Psycho, Zebraman, Family, Yakuza Demon, Agitator, Andromedia, Violent Fire, One Missed Call, Izo

On a final DVD nerd note, Miike's films are available in varying quality. All the US DVDs of Audition are crap (get the UK R2), and Ichii The Killer's best incarnation I believe is still the Dutch version (US has a soft transfer and UK is cut). Graveyard of Honor isn't available in the US, but I think there's a release coming in 2007. The German DVD has no English subs, but does have a great cover:

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Singing and dancing zombies. Insane lactating mothers. Incestuous killer sisters. A son rebuilt by mad science from pieces of a father figure. A minotaur-licking loser. Two daughters literally joined at the hip. Images that mix literal, metaphoric and just plain bizarre Oedipal nightmares. Others that gush over-the-top gore and sentimentality in equal parts. In the course of films that shift from abject horror to slapstick comedy, one can easily miss the fact that Japanese filmmaker Takashi Miike is a family guy.

Best known in the U.S. as director of the mega-disturbo Audition, Japan’s mad dog of pan-genre disturbance is as obsessed with family as Steven Spielberg is, with comparable technical chops but more honesty and a way better sense of humor.

Sometimes it’s a “normal” family under siege by outside forces (The Happiness of the Katakuris). Sometimes, the nuclear family fragments on contact with spiritually void consumer culture (Visitor Q). More often, that “family” is a substitute unit — the Japanese yakuza crime families that fill many of his films. (If this seems a stretch, note that Miike has a yakuza franchise called Family.)

In the most extreme instances — and when talking Miike, “extreme” takes on new meaning — you get something like Gozu, in which a lonely yakuza separated from his crime family gives birth to himself via a lover’s birth canal, which makes her his default Mom. Or something.

Miike’s family thing is a prime reason why, despite the cultural details lost in translation, his films sink deep claws into a Westerner’s back brain. Viewers can depend on nothing but knowing that the unexpected is the rule. Like an early Brian de Palma on amphetamines, even his most horrid nightmares exist cheek by jowl with tenderness. Or as Eye Weekly’s Jason Anderson smartly summarized, “Takashi Miike is not just some sick bastard — he’s a sick bastard with heart.”

He’s also insanely prolific. Miike has finished two movies this year and is filming his third, while this month will see the DVD release of 2005’s The Great Yokai War. So, rather than attempt to be comprehensive, the following is a list of representative titles that might help you get a grip on a sizable filmography.

Miike masterpieces

The Bird People in China (1998) — Magical realism, tragedy and comedy blend as a salaryman and a yakuza travel on a Herzog-like upriver search for a mystery tribe. An amazing underwater CGI shot of a flock of turtles powering a boat and a strobe-lit gangster gunfight nightmare are early indications of Miike’s febrile invention, while a character sums up the director’s career-long modus operandi, “It’s a metaphor, dummy!”

Three Extremes (2004) — After two feh shorts by Chan-wook Park and Fruit Chan, this anthology becomes essential because of Miike’s Box, the tale of a woman novelist whose increasingly surreal/frightening memories of patriarchal incest are causing her reality to break into sad, conflicting bits. Elegiac and visually gorgeous in a way suggestive of an Asian Bergman, it’s a meditative, mature look at identity.

The Great Yokai War (2005) — Miike shocks by doing a Jim Henson-y, super-cute kid’s movie involving a boy from a broken family ending up in a supernatural battle between some supernatural creatures of Japanese mythology.

The Happiness of the Katakuris (2001) — The aforementioned zombie musical. What else can be said? OK — it’s a deeply spiritual, family zombie musical. With jokes.

Audition(1999) — Widowed patriarch systematically seeks new wife, finds sexually traumatized girl his daughter’s age. Multileveled hallucinations, mangled desire, acupuncture needles and knives meet body parts in less-than-conventional ways.

Visitor Q (2001) — An emasculated TV reporter tries to reconnect with his family via the creation of a documentary on family; incest, interfamilial lactation, necrophilia and worse follows. In the end, it’s actually an affirmation of familial happiness. Really.

Flawed but freakishly fab

Ichi the Killer (2001) — Thought Peter Jackson’s Dead/Alive was the last word in operatic gore? Think again. With one main character into lacerating S&M (when not blowing away roomfuls of yakuzas) and a meek programmed “assassin” who slices people sideways with his knife-enhanced Reeboks, Ichi is a reprehensible piece of manga slaughter that also manages to be, well, quite funny.

Gozu (2003) — A mystery woman indulges Miike’s lactation fetish, a character gives slimy birth to himself through his girlfriend’s birth canal and a minotaur haunts the director’s incomprehensible but hilarious idea of a road movie.

MPD Psycho (2000) — So there’s this detective suffering from multiple personality disorder. He goes after a cult with bar codes on their eyes and a killer who cuts off the tops of people’s skulls and plants sculptures in their exposed brains. Then Miike’s TV series gets weird.

Zebraman (2004) — This film is Miike in full-on adorable mode: A failed dad gets to “be” his favorite superhero. Despite or because of the loopy premise, it’s a sappy delight.

Fudoh: The New Generation (1996) — In his efforts to avenge the killing of his brother by his yakuza dad, a boy enlists the help of other teen malcontents, including a herm-aphrodite whose vagina shoots poison darts. While boasting unique set pieces and feverish, inventive style, Miike hadn’t yet perfected the mashing of melancholy, gore and comedy.

Other nonessential but fascinating offerings include 1999’s N-Girls vs. Vampire (virgin models become vampires), 2000’s The City of Lost Souls (a moody interracial gangster love story highlighted by a Matrix-style CGI cockfight) and Shangri-La (2002) a comedy that deals with, um, homelessness.

Miike misses

Look, the guy makes a lot of movies; some duffers are inevitable. These are titles you might want to skip. A good deal of these lesser efforts are yakuza films aimed to fill Japan’s ravenous direct-to-video appetite. The best (i.e., most perverse) of the lot is Deadly Outlaw: Rekka (2002), a gang turf–war/inter–crime family soap opera that is alternately dull and almost unbearably hyperviolent.

The most genre-recombinant is Full Metal Yakuza (1997). Equal parts gangster revenge film, RoboCop rip and Frankenstein, it’s a flawed jaw-dropper about an oafish yakuza who is killed trying to protect his father figure, a crime-family boss; a mad scientist “rebuilds” him with spare cyber-stuff and parts from the aforementioned boss.

Graveyard of Honor (2002), Dead or Alive (1999) and Kikoku (2003) prove that even Miike can be generic, and nobody will dis your Miike cred if you skip his competent but inessential J-horror entry One Missed Call and the extended J-pop video Andromeda.

But as career downsides go, and considering his astonishing fecundity, these few off entries are small beer indeed. Especially in light of the fact that Miike is only 46 and just now hitting a new aesthetic peak as his ongoing family “project” is gaining a tighter focus. God only knows what images and ideas we’ll be gasping over when this article is hopelessly obsolete in, say, three months.

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Then get THREE EXTREMES, skip the first two films and dig BOX.

Then BIRD PEOPLE OF CHINA.

*THEN* get VISITOR Q.

heh heh

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http://filmdrunk.uproxx.com/post.phtml?pk=2301

^^^^ that's the trailer for Sukiyaki Western Django starring Q.T.

not sure whether this looks good-bad or actually-bad

mm....I haven't seen a lot of this dude's movies, but loved Audition, liked Ichi the Killer (although this one I REALLY have to be in the mood for)...

relaly disliked Visitor Q. it was too far into left field for me....though no doubt others probably worship it.

saw that preview on G4. why anybody would cast Tarantino in anything (other than to draw people to the theatre) is beyond me. Dude can't act at all, especially in his own movies....

woulda loved the "does my garage say Dead nigger storage" scene a lot more if someone else had been playing the part.

who?

orson welles

nice to see Bird People getting a lot of love up there. That and Visitor Q are really the only movies of his I re-watch.

I have a few of his movies on my netflix queue that I keep pushing back because I've never heard any positive word of mouth from any of my Asian film buff friends. Anyone have thoughts on any of these?

Bang Bang Love: Juvenile A
Neighbor 13: Special Edition
Sabu

Sukiyaki Western Django is a lot of fun, though as you'd expect the Tarantino bits are pretty cringeworthy.

SWD is great even with (or perhaps helped by) laughable Tarantino part. Parts of this reminded me of the awesome Tears of the Black Tiger.

Audition: FUCKIN HELL.

What else is good?

I love The Happiness of the Katakuris, but it's a very different movie.

Katakuris was fun but The Quiet Family is a much better film

i dug great yokai war

had IZO sitting at home for about a month now--worth watching?

Izo's a chore. Yokai War was fun, but I'm getting the impression that the late 90s/early 00s were a creative peak for Miike. His recent work seems to lack the intensity and wildness of the films that really made his rep in the West. Haven't seen everything he's done lately by any means, but Gozu was the last Miike flick to really grab me, and as great as it is, it's still a bit restrained and coherently organized for my tastes. Its excesses feel intentional rather than exploratory. Still a fantastic movie, funny and creepy as hell. Even romantic.

Visitor Q rules.

seventh the rec of bird people in china, it's amazing. first time i watched i was hi and when the girl started singing i was like holy shit.

Just saw Zebraman - can't recommend to it to most people, but man it was indeed sappy and I loved it. A much dryer take on the first Spider-Man and Men in Black movies, and better! Can't wait to be able to get a hold of Yatterman if it's anything like this.

Thank goodness for this thread, there's so much stuff of his it's hard to sort through - as a result I generally see one Miike film more or less by accident every year or so. Loved Audition, tried Ichi the Killer but like a poster early in the thread I had to turn it off in less than 20 minutes, guess I'm just too squeamish. Loved Katakuris, Bird People in China was okay. Guess I'll try Dead or Alive next.

Watching MPD Psycho again at the mo, easier to keep up with a second time.

finally got around to visitor Q and it is def my favorite miike. still think audition is boring and ichii doesnt do it for me, but this and happiness of the katakuris are just so much fun (an odd word for the experience, but accurate i think)

wow, totally opposite reaction to those 4 movies

have you seen imprint?

was that the masters of horror one about the brothel demon or whatever?

if so, yeah, ive seen it, and it was a gleaming treasure compared to the rest of masters of horror, but that kind of like being the shiniest piece of corn in the toilet bowl tbh.

just watched visitor q, actually. whoa.

can't really say I enjoyed it but more power to ya.

jjjusten have you seen gozu

kinda with you, jjjustin, on the value of the miikes. love happiness & visitor q, not so fond of ichii. do like audition, though. slow but really well done. dead or alive, gozu & zebraman are good, too. really should fill in some gaps, as it's been a long time since i watched a miike flick.

Love Audition and Imprint. Seems like he hasn't done anything *amazing* in a while, though, huh?

I like gozu a bunch. been on a mini miike kick and I re-watched it the other day. definitely overlong but lots of memorable scenes... esp that ending! @__@

audition, gozu, and doa 2 are my faves from what I've seen. ichii didn't do much for me and imprint was too rough for me to handle.

i started gozu but was distracted at the time so i stopped, def intend to go back to it soon.

watched audition for the first time now. first 2/3 are neat, last 1/3 is gratuitous, huh?

gratuitously awesome

dialogue during torture scene is great, love asami's philosophy lessons

the last third is so effective because of the stark difference!

^^

He's coming to NYC for his Lincoln Center retro.

http://subwaycinemanews.com/archives/1581

Yokai war is either batshit awesome or batshit awful and honestly I kinda flip back and forth every time I see it

13 Assassins was really something.

In a good way?

Definitely. Strictly for the ultraviolence crowd though.

Brilliant, I'm there.

One of the better remakes I've seen. tremendous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSJxRbrvmUM

13 Assassins was pretty great. Not ground-breaking in any way, but just a lot of fun, pretty self-aware of samurai movie tropes, with a dash of really out-of-place Miike ultraviolence extremities. I love how the final battle more or less drops the pretense of realism that the movie had been following for the most part. A wonderful slow burn build up to that phenomenal set piece.

It was really strange how in parts it was remarkably restrained in its graphic violence (i.e. the opening harakiri, though just the sound effects might have been even worse!), the surprising lack of arterial blood spray - I'm guessing in reverence to its sources, and yet other times it was totally over-the-top (that woman early in the film).

dying to see this on a big screen

i think i enjoyed the build up more than the battle itself. especially the part with 'that woman'

13 asses was kewl - has pretty much everything you'd want from a bloody samurai flick. i didnt think the build up was that great - lots of scenes of stern men going 'nng!' and 'hmm!' while talking about duty and honor - but at the same time it was just right for the payoff you get (the battle). the japanese version is longer but it's mostly just draggy exposition from what i understand and not miike craziness - stick with the intl vers

I like some of some of them.

the japanese version is longer but it's mostly just draggy exposition from what i understand and not miike craziness - stick with the intl vers

Interesting...obviously it's a great action film but few of the characters were developed satisfactorily (about half of the assassins were 100% interchangeable/disposable), which detracted from its emotional impact for me.

Thought the opening shot was extremely effective (those sound effects!!!).

yeah, i honestly could only remember Shinzaemon's name and the rest were just 'types' - probably the biggest thing holding the movie back from being really great.

one weird thing i noticed was that upashi was played by the same actress who played the wife of the nephew samurai... and only he and the mysterious immortal hunter survived hmmmm

I was going to mention that but thought it might count as a spoiler...assuming it's intentional I can't think of any explanation that isn't totally wtf and nonsensical in the context of the rest of the film.

yeah, i didn't understand what was going on there

I am stupidly excited about the Phoenix Wright movie he's supposedly working on.

i saw "gozu" recently. amazing demented film. id forgotten about this guy in the last few years but film 4 have shown a couple of his movies this week. i have "13 assasins" dvr'd as well so im looking forward to seeing that.

exploring some obscurities (96 films!)

http://www.filmcomment.com/entry/kaiju-shakedown-takashi-miike

i used to dismiss this guy but i don't think he's dismissable (miike that is)

96 films!

BLADE OF THE IMMORTAL was pretty awesome. Warning - super long, overstuffed, and gratuitous, and that's just I wanted to see.

watching Blade of the Immortal

man and I thought I loved 13 Assassins. This one is even more ott but with an added layer of grotesque fairytale, i am loving it.

better than 13 Assassins?

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maaaaybe? i’m not sure yet

easily on par tho

it’s like 13 Assassins but at operatic levels.
Blade is more complicated & emotional, which i love, but god the simplicity of 13 Assassins was so good it’s hard to beat it. it’s hard to fault either film on their own merits though.

i’m still reeeling from this. the hurt-fight scene chroeography is sooooo crazy-good & the acting is so convincing. and the music! . and the revenge triangle climax is so fkn beautiful & desolate

ugh. love!

^^Just noticed this was on Netflix! it's as tremendously fun, OTT and gory as you'd expect. also appreciated the ridiculous anime fashion/hairstyles (shout out to lady assassin in bright purple yukata and platform sandals) being translated into live action.

Is it a different cut to the UK dvd because that was a 15 and you could see how some shots had been cut early?

(oh, are you talking blade... Or 13 assassins? I'm talking 13 assassins)

Was talking about blade, yeah

My bf was like "hey look Ichi The Killer is getting a re-release" and I said "you like Takeshi Miike?" and he said "I haven't seen any of his films" and I said "omg don't read ANYTHING about Audition, you just have to walk into it cold". That same evening we ordered in food and I turned on Audition and he got really angry when it was over, he said "you're a fucking jerk" and I said "why? you didn't like the movie?" and he said "no, I feel like you're an older kid who is bullying me at school, you do this all the time" and then I spoke the next day with my therapist about larger personality-defects in myself (tendencies toward smugness and sanctimony)

Anyway I'm gonna show him Blade Of The Immortal tonight

Kudos, that's a story

hahaha, i love that story
i kind of have to agree with your BF though as much as I love Audition

Yakuza Apocalypse man

A little long but as nuts as you can hope for.

But you could almost make a normal person watch it!

watched Dead or Alive yesterday. i stood in my living room and applauded upon its conclusion.

I don't think it ever tops the long opening sequence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f-dyjACbB0

https://www.angelikafilmcenter.com/nyc/film/first-love
Monday NYC Q&A with Miike

maybe it's sold out because the 7:10 show doesn't appear for monday or tuesday

whoops, that was weeks ago. mb!

Forty minutes into Blade of the Immortal I am intrigued but hope I don’t fall asleep.

i dont think you will imo

Hmm! Coming this year:

Bad Lieutenant: Tokyo

This sounds a blast. Neon is aboard for the Takashi Miike update of the Bad Lieutenant IP starring Shun Oguri (Godzilla v. Kong), Lily James (Pam and Tommy) and WWE star Liv Morgan. The U.S.-Japan co-pro has partners including Jeremy Thomas for Recorded Picture Company, Sam Pressman for Pressman Film, Naoaki Kitajima for Nippon TV and Misako Saka for OLM. Written by Daisuke Tengan (13 Assassins), the film will follow a corrupt gambler (Oguri) in the Metropolitan Police Force who finds himself thrown into a tangled case after an enigmatic FBI agent (James) arrives in Tokyo to investigate the disappearance of a politician’s daughter (Morgan). Meanwhile, a deviant killer operating in the yakuza underworld seems to be shadowing their moves.

oh HELL yes

Yes

whoa! i thought i’d learned my lesson to not get too excited about new miike movies from the last decade or two but… that’s pretty exciting

I really wish The Bird People in China was more available.

I haven't seen any of his movies since "13 Assassins" (and probably only 5 of the ones before that), which tbf I recall all being really good or at least worthwhile, but the downside of releasing so many films is that I doubt I'll ever even dip into the 20+ he has released since then. I don't even know if this will be his first (reportedly) English language film.

I've seen First Love and Blade of the Immortal, liked both of those

Yakuza Holocaust has been on uk tv. it is... odd. starts like a normal film, ends up in Power Rangers territory

13 Assassins and Harakiri remakes are probably the best of it

Yakuza Apocalypse, sorry