I'm thinking that ILX will not observe a moment of silence.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 1 June 2022 17:10 (three years ago)
Slow Burn have just started a new series based on the Roe v Wade case. I'm just listening to the first episode.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 1 June 2022 18:06 (three years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6MDhtBEmCs
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 June 2022 18:12 (three years ago)
what a world we live in
Jesus Christ https://t.co/xuu2SYX5MQ— Taylor Lorenz (@TaylorLorenz) June 1, 2022
― in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 1 June 2022 20:07 (three years ago)
I mean
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 1 June 2022 20:24 (three years ago)
I'd take issue with "not really political" but these two tweets get at *something*
I've been dreading this ambient crystallization of forces for years, and it's really coming together. A kind of super right-wing that's not really political, but a disparate group united by misogyny, transphobia, racism and, crucially, the equation of criticism with censorship.— Ashley Clark (@_Ash_Clark) June 1, 2022
As @yu_whoooo said years ago, in a Tweet that I copied and pasted for future reference: "The right is diversifying quicker than liberals have the language for". We're in a nihilistic troll economy with brutal real-life effects. pic.twitter.com/eupfIsDjBk— Ashley Clark (@_Ash_Clark) June 1, 2022
"alt-right" as a term was trying to capture this with its roots in gamergate. You could say it's simply the continuation of movement conservatism or white supremacy or colonialism or the patriarchy or all the above and of course you'd be right, but idk, there is something about the combo of nihilism and fervent, vicious belief in those things and the attendant impunity for supporting them that still manages to catch me off guard
― rob, Wednesday, 1 June 2022 20:34 (three years ago)
not the right thread since this is extremely global though
― rob, Wednesday, 1 June 2022 20:35 (three years ago)
in other news-
The GOP’s bid to thwart the Medicaid initiative in South Dakota adds to a series of moves by the party to weaken direct democracy. In many states that Republicans dominate, progressive organizers have successfully appealed to voters with measures like Medicaid expansion that conservative legislatures have blocked, triggering intense backlash by Republican politicians against procedures of direct democracy that they are failing to control. In Idaho and Utah, the GOP’s new restrictions on ballot initiatives also closely followed Medicaid referendums.
The erosion of direct democracy resonates deeply in South Dakota, which was the first state in the nation to set-up a popular initiative process. Inspired by Progressive Era demands for new checks on politicians, the state’s 1898 reform empowered ordinary citizens to initiate ballot initiatives and it has been used expansively ever since.
Just over the past decade, South Dakotans have approved initiatives to raise the minimum wage, create an independent ethics commission, and legalize cannabis.
Republican politicians have responded by gradually restricting the initiative process. In 2016, voters adopted the South Dakota Accountability and Anti-Corruption Act, which set new ethics rules and created a system for public financing of political campaigns. Republican politicians repealed the measure, arguing that voters didn’t understand what was in it when they passed it.
https://boltsmag.org/amendment-c-south-dakota-medicaid/?utm_campaign=wp_the_trailer&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&wpisrc=nl_thetrailer#.YpWR_sgyPhc.twitter
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 1 June 2022 23:43 (three years ago)
Republican politicians repealed the measure, arguing that voters didn’t understand what was in it when they passed it.
Republicans suddenly concerned about the intelligence of voters.
Also predictable: I clicked a link in that article which lead to a NYT piece "South Dakota Legislators Seek Hasty Repeal of Ethics Law Voters Passed." Of course, it was actually South Dakota Republican legislators. But hey, why name names? (Yes, the body of the article clarifies, but still.)
― blatherskite, Thursday, 2 June 2022 00:34 (three years ago)
Kyle Rittenhouse says the Johnny Depp verdict has motivated him to start filing his own defamation lawsuits. pic.twitter.com/fw6RbXnSHW— Ron Filipkowski 🇺🇦 (@RonFilipkowski) June 1, 2022
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Thursday, 2 June 2022 16:43 (three years ago)
Don't know what the opinion is around here of Brynn Tannehill. She's definitely doomy (literal Twitter tag is "Harbinger of doom"), but plenty smart. Anyway, nothing about this tweet thread is surprising but it ain't heartwarming either.
I have a friend, whose husband is a retired Marine special forces guy. He spent better part of a year at the siege of Khe Sanh. After he retired, he was a police officer (SWAT) and medical first responder. He's vaguely conservative on some things, but not nuts. 1/n— Brynn Tannehill (@BrynnTannehill) June 1, 2022
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 2 June 2022 17:03 (three years ago)
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/biden-deliver-prime-time-address-guns/story?id=85139497
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 2 June 2022 22:14 (three years ago)
"I remember when me and Cornpop used to shoot cans off our fence with a .22. You don't need an RA-15 to shoot cans, my friend."
― life is a highway to the danger zone (PBKR), Thursday, 2 June 2022 22:53 (three years ago)
Yang takes brainless centrism to its logical end, gets burned by John Legend.
Thinking about this amazing tweet this morning pic.twitter.com/N1BTHgSJqW— Daniel Kuehn (@D_Kuehn) June 2, 2022
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 2 June 2022 23:39 (three years ago)
lol
― Dan S, Thursday, 2 June 2022 23:41 (three years ago)
hard-hitting Washington Post piece on Susan Collins, hitting the press. I have a feeling this article is going to ruffle some feathers in Washington. There are two eras - before and after this article. Defcon 1.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/02/susan-collins-supreme-court-kavanaugh-truth/
get ready to dip your toes in this excerpt of molten, red hot journalism
Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) has never been known for being angry, or animated, or really any adjective more charged than “concerned.” Once or twice, she has gone so far as to declare herself “disappointed.”You might imagine, nonetheless, that the leaked draft of a Supreme Court opinion overturning Roe v. Wade would have been enough to expand her measured vocabulary. You’d be wrong.“If this … is the final decision and this reporting is accurate, it would be completely inconsistent with what Justice Gorsuch and Justice Kavanaugh said in their hearings and in our meetings in my office,” said the statement the senator released after the story broke. “Obviously, we won’t know each Justice’s decision and reasoning until the Supreme Court officially announces its opinion in this case.”This is about as fiery as it gets for a fifth-term moderate dedicated, above all else, to dealmaking and decorum. By comparison, Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska), hardly hot-tempered, said the opinion “rocks my confidence in the court right now.”All the same, you have to wonder whether Collins is less serene under the surface.She made a spectacular bet on Brett M. Kavanaugh during his nomination hearings in 2018: saying that she believed him when he said that Roe was settled law — much like the bet she made on Neil M. Gorsuch in 2017 when he said precedent was “the anchor of the law.”These justices, of course, might yet come through for Collins by the time the court finally rules — even if only to preserve some portion of the precedent that has enshrined the right to abortion for almost half a century. But the February draft that has much of the nation on fire boasted five conservative votes to bulldoze the rulings that have defined the status quo for decades.(Section Break)Susan Collins is as neat as her tailored skirt sets and monogrammed suitcase. She shows up early, shakes every hand, knows every name. She studies, and studies, and studies some more. She might not need to work this hard, and yet she does anyway. In politics, seasons and tastes change — but a fourth-generation Maine politician might be one of the few people in either party who doesn’t have to worry about them changing very much....
You might imagine, nonetheless, that the leaked draft of a Supreme Court opinion overturning Roe v. Wade would have been enough to expand her measured vocabulary. You’d be wrong.
“If this … is the final decision and this reporting is accurate, it would be completely inconsistent with what Justice Gorsuch and Justice Kavanaugh said in their hearings and in our meetings in my office,” said the statement the senator released after the story broke. “Obviously, we won’t know each Justice’s decision and reasoning until the Supreme Court officially announces its opinion in this case.”
This is about as fiery as it gets for a fifth-term moderate dedicated, above all else, to dealmaking and decorum. By comparison, Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska), hardly hot-tempered, said the opinion “rocks my confidence in the court right now.”
All the same, you have to wonder whether Collins is less serene under the surface.
She made a spectacular bet on Brett M. Kavanaugh during his nomination hearings in 2018: saying that she believed him when he said that Roe was settled law — much like the bet she made on Neil M. Gorsuch in 2017 when he said precedent was “the anchor of the law.”
These justices, of course, might yet come through for Collins by the time the court finally rules — even if only to preserve some portion of the precedent that has enshrined the right to abortion for almost half a century. But the February draft that has much of the nation on fire boasted five conservative votes to bulldoze the rulings that have defined the status quo for decades.
(Section Break)
Susan Collins is as neat as her tailored skirt sets and monogrammed suitcase. She shows up early, shakes every hand, knows every name. She studies, and studies, and studies some more. She might not need to work this hard, and yet she does anyway. In politics, seasons and tastes change — but a fourth-generation Maine politician might be one of the few people in either party who doesn’t have to worry about them changing very much.
...
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 2 June 2022 23:43 (three years ago)
jesus
Molly Roberts can fuck right off
― Dan S, Thursday, 2 June 2022 23:53 (three years ago)
why are we still drowning in this shit
― Dan S, Thursday, 2 June 2022 23:56 (three years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wl1B7DPegc
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 June 2022 00:24 (three years ago)
that is a great video
― Dan S, Friday, 3 June 2022 00:39 (three years ago)
even the corny dance sequences in the alley
― Dan S, Friday, 3 June 2022 00:43 (three years ago)
sorry that is off topic
― Dan S, Friday, 3 June 2022 00:49 (three years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMV-fenGP1g
― rare lipstick or mohawks that somehow make them more valuable (President Keyes), Friday, 3 June 2022 15:07 (three years ago)
Jesus that Tannehill thread is depressing, but after being forced to spend time with my Trumper uncle and cousin, both EMTs, over the holiday weekend, I buy absolutely every word.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 3 June 2022 15:21 (three years ago)
And they always repeat what they said a second time after you tell them the truth.
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Friday, 3 June 2022 15:30 (three years ago)
here is a second opinion on how susan collins mysteriously ended up voting for supreme court justices that everyone knew were lying
When the Supreme Court’s draft decision to overturn Roe v. Wade leaked, Sen. Susan Collins said she was flabbergasted, deeply troubled, even shocked. After all, soon-to-be-Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh had promised her in 2018 that Roe was a matter of settled law — despite his deeply conservative track record on abortion.Turns out, Collins wasn’t just wrong about Kavanaugh. She was deliberately manipulated by Trump administration officials — and a future Supreme Court Justice — who viewed her as an easy mark.Two former senior Trump White House officials tell Rolling Stone that the pro-choice Collins wasn’t even considered a serious threat to the devoutly conservative Kavanaugh. Instead, the team predicted she’d need only a vague assurance that the nominee would uphold the half-century-old ruling defending abortion rights.And they were right.“The thinking from Trump … and everybody else who worked to make this happen was that, as long as his nominees didn’t say anything stupid [on abortion] and let the Susan Collins-es of the world think what they needed to think and hear what they needed to hear, then it would get done,” said one of the ex-officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the team’s hearing preparations.
Turns out, Collins wasn’t just wrong about Kavanaugh. She was deliberately manipulated by Trump administration officials — and a future Supreme Court Justice — who viewed her as an easy mark.
Two former senior Trump White House officials tell Rolling Stone that the pro-choice Collins wasn’t even considered a serious threat to the devoutly conservative Kavanaugh. Instead, the team predicted she’d need only a vague assurance that the nominee would uphold the half-century-old ruling defending abortion rights.
And they were right.
“The thinking from Trump … and everybody else who worked to make this happen was that, as long as his nominees didn’t say anything stupid [on abortion] and let the Susan Collins-es of the world think what they needed to think and hear what they needed to hear, then it would get done,” said one of the ex-officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the team’s hearing preparations.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/abortion-susan-collins-brett-kavanaugh-trump-roe-1357183/
weird, this seems to contrast with the Washington Post version where Susan Collins is a hero and she was lied to and she is going to have to straighten her back and stand tall and listen really hard and just be braver and prouder after that one if she's going to deserve that 2143rd 6-year term as much as we want her to deserve it, let's go Susan!!!
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, 3 June 2022 15:31 (three years ago)
susan collins is a good leader
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, 3 June 2022 15:32 (three years ago)
Adding this to the list of good stuff he’s done
Biden responds to @elonmusk cutting production/staff listing companies expanding production. "Lots of luck on his trip to the moon, I guess," he said.— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) June 3, 2022
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 3 June 2022 15:36 (three years ago)
hey, that's pretty fun as far as Biden joeks go
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 June 2022 15:40 (three years ago)
it's a good burn from biden
this article's fun
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/02/politics/joe-biden-messaging-struggles/index.html
(Covid News Network (CNN))Being familiar never makes the feeling less dreadful: White House aides emailing each other during one of President Joe Biden's stops on the road, tracking who's covering what he's saying, which TV channels are taking the speech live -- and realizing a number of times that the answer was none."You are thinking," said one person familiar, "why are we doing this?"Biden and his inner circle get weekly readouts of the metrics on local newspaper coverage of his speeches, how long and for what he was covered on cable, but also videos that staff post on Twitter and other social media interactions. Those reports go on the piles with internal memos from pollsters saying Biden isn't breaking through in traditional news outlets and that the people who are engaged are mostly voters who've already made up their minds.But beneath this struggle to break through is a deeper dysfunction calcified among aides who largely started working together only through Zoom screens and still struggle to get in rhythm. They're still finding it hard to grasp how much their political standing has changed over the last year, and there's a divide between most of the White House staff and the inner circle who have been around Biden for longer than most of the rest of that staff has been alive. In an email to CNN, White House spokesman Andrew Bates said, "That is not the dynamic in the White House."At the center is a president still trying to calibrate himself to the office. The country is pulling itself apart, pandemic infections keep coming, inflation keeps rising, a new crisis on top of new crisis arrives daily and Biden can't see a way to address that while also being the looser, happier, more sympathetic, lovingly Onion-parody inspiring, aviator-wearing, vanilla chip cone-licking guy -- an image that was the core of why he got elected in the first place."He has to speak to very serious things," explained one White House aide, "and you can't do that getting ice cream.".........They'll say he's answering reporters' questions whenever he's asked, while nixing interview requests to avoid the hours of prep and possible clean-up. They'll acknowledge that Biden himself feels shut off enough that he's quietly had a half-dozen sessions with favored writers since the fall, like last month's lunch with the New York Times' Tom Friedman, in which the columnist shared his own impressions of Biden's off-the-record thoughts, with only the tuna sandwich, fruit bowl and milkshake approved for publication.
"You are thinking," said one person familiar, "why are we doing this?"
Biden and his inner circle get weekly readouts of the metrics on local newspaper coverage of his speeches, how long and for what he was covered on cable, but also videos that staff post on Twitter and other social media interactions. Those reports go on the piles with internal memos from pollsters saying Biden isn't breaking through in traditional news outlets and that the people who are engaged are mostly voters who've already made up their minds.
But beneath this struggle to break through is a deeper dysfunction calcified among aides who largely started working together only through Zoom screens and still struggle to get in rhythm. They're still finding it hard to grasp how much their political standing has changed over the last year, and there's a divide between most of the White House staff and the inner circle who have been around Biden for longer than most of the rest of that staff has been alive. In an email to CNN, White House spokesman Andrew Bates said, "That is not the dynamic in the White House."
At the center is a president still trying to calibrate himself to the office. The country is pulling itself apart, pandemic infections keep coming, inflation keeps rising, a new crisis on top of new crisis arrives daily and Biden can't see a way to address that while also being the looser, happier, more sympathetic, lovingly Onion-parody inspiring, aviator-wearing, vanilla chip cone-licking guy -- an image that was the core of why he got elected in the first place."He has to speak to very serious things," explained one White House aide, "and you can't do that getting ice cream."
They'll say he's answering reporters' questions whenever he's asked, while nixing interview requests to avoid the hours of prep and possible clean-up. They'll acknowledge that Biden himself feels shut off enough that he's quietly had a half-dozen sessions with favored writers since the fall, like last month's lunch with the New York Times' Tom Friedman, in which the columnist shared his own impressions of Biden's off-the-record thoughts, with only the tuna sandwich, fruit bowl and milkshake approved for publication.
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, 3 June 2022 15:45 (three years ago)
only the tuna sandwich, fruit bowl and milkshake approved for publication.
i haven't drank in 20 days now, but this makes me want to go harry nilsson 1975
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, 3 June 2022 15:47 (three years ago)
“You put the tuna sandwich in the fruit bowl milkshake…”
― THE VEIVET UIUERABOUIU (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 3 June 2022 16:36 (three years ago)
imagine being in a room with a tuna sandwich and Tom Friedman's hot air.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 June 2022 16:39 (three years ago)
the mind of joe biden is on a ride now, a passenger on a comfortable food journey that he no longer controls so much as influences
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, 3 June 2022 16:42 (three years ago)
someone mentions that retirement companies are going to allow people to put 20% of their income directly into crypto retirement accounts.
joe biden blinks. all of his aides are on zoom, muted.
joe biden tears into his tuna sandwich with renewed vigor
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, 3 June 2022 16:45 (three years ago)
what the fuck
“It’s inappropriate to ... subsidize political activism of a private corporation.”— Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL) defends vetoing funds for a Tampa Bay Rays practice facility after the team tweeted about gun control pic.twitter.com/8owFo7G1A8— The Recount (@therecount) June 3, 2022
― frogbs, Friday, 3 June 2022 17:28 (three years ago)
if incoherent ranting about "woke capitalism" puts an end to using public funds for sports bullshit...hooray?
― rob, Friday, 3 June 2022 17:33 (three years ago)
Some good news:
Univision is selling many of its Spanish-language radio stations — including Miami's ultraconservative Radio Mambí — to a group led by Democrats.Creating a beachhead in a broadcast market often dominated by conservative or right-wing programming, a newly formed, Latino-owned and bipartisan media group is announcing Friday it has purchased 18 major Spanish-language radio stations owned by the TelevisaUnivision network — including Miami's Radio Mambí.
WLRN has learned that the Latino Media Network, or LMN — headed by Stephanie Valencia, a Latino community outreach director for former President Barack Obama, and Democratic activist Jessica Morales Rocketto — has bought the stations for $60 million.
The AM and FM stations are located in 10 of the country's largest Latino markets, including Miami, New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Dallas, San Francisco, Houston and Las Vegas.
LMN says it has secured financing from "leading Latino investors" as well as Lakestar Finance, an investment group associated with businessman-philanthropist George Soros.
Other prominent LMN investors and advisers include Hollywood actress Eva Longoria, former Florida Republican Party chair Al Cárdenas, former Miami-Dade College President Eduardo Padrón and radio entrepreneur Tom Castro.
The purchase comes amid years of accusations that Spanish-language radio, especially in Miami, has become one of the most prominent sources of right-wing disinformation in the U.S.
Democrats have long chafed at much of it, particularly in 2020 when talk show hosts at stations like Mambí labeled then-presidential candidate Joe Biden a "socialista" who would turn the U.S. into a left-wing dictatorship like Venezuela's.
But until now, Democrats and Latino liberals and moderates had focused their efforts and resources on monitoring Spanish-language radio outlets instead of trying to own stations themselves.
https://www.wlrn.org/news/2022-06-03/a-new-latino-media-group-is-buying-up-and-shaking-up-spanish-language-radio
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 June 2022 17:36 (three years ago)
The ripple effect from that alone could be legitimately huge.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 3 June 2022 18:23 (three years ago)
It's hard to explain how big AM radio is in Miami even for men and women you'd think are too young to listen.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 3 June 2022 18:33 (three years ago)
“It’s inappropriate to ... subsidize political activism of a private corporation.”
Gov. DeSantis, Hobby Lobby is on line one. Chik-Fil-A is on line Two. They'd like a talk with you.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 3 June 2022 18:40 (three years ago)
Condemning homosexuals isn't political activism. BEING a homosexual is!
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Friday, 3 June 2022 19:12 (three years ago)
sometimes i'll just lean my head back at my desk and daydream about a politician or party that would have the balls to say something like this in the interest of doing something actually good. silly, i know. but what would that look like. would people like it? would cable news give it much air? would Claire McCaskill or David Axelrod come on to tell us that this is Bad, Actually?
― OG Bob Sacamano (will), Friday, 3 June 2022 19:22 (three years ago)
there's been an influx of competition in the past few years, but i think this joker is still the dumbest guy in congress
Rep Louie Gohmert on Navarro indictment: "If you're a Republican, you can't even lie to Congress or lie to an FBI agent or they're coming after you" pic.twitter.com/8eIkkycukd— Jason Campbell (@JasonSCampbell) June 3, 2022
― in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Friday, 3 June 2022 20:09 (three years ago)
Well I mean that does violate the holy writ of IOKIYAR. Sad times.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 3 June 2022 20:10 (three years ago)
"If you're a Republican, you can't even skip two to ten years of paying taxes or the IRS comes after you, it ain't fair!"
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 3 June 2022 20:13 (three years ago)
""South Dakota Legislators Seek Hasty Repeal of Ethics Law Voters Passed." Of course, it was actually South Dakota Republican legislators"
I was just in SD for the past week and if there is a non-republican state legislator, I'd like to know, because that place is 100% non stop Republican candidate advertising across the board. On top of that, from what I can tell, they don't even mail out voter information packets, which I cannot believe. My mother said "oh in california we'd get a booklet that told us what we were voting on" and I said "uh, yeah?" she's never received one.
― akm, Friday, 3 June 2022 21:16 (three years ago)
"no big deal to lie to the FBI?""yeah, exactly."
Dems gotta use that in an ad!!
― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 3 June 2022 21:24 (three years ago)
Louie Gohmert used to be a judge.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 3 June 2022 21:28 (three years ago)
that information alone undoes any sort of legitimacy of the US legal system
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Friday, 3 June 2022 21:49 (three years ago)
Checks and balances ... or the shell game writ large?
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Friday, 3 June 2022 21:50 (three years ago)
the contents of my colostomy bag have more of a sense of ethics and intelligence than Gohmert on a good day when he was young.
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Friday, 3 June 2022 22:05 (three years ago)
In my mond he talks like Gomer Pyle. I'm not clicking on that to check, though.
― THE VEIVET UIUERABOUIU (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 4 June 2022 00:47 (three years ago)
~mind~
― THE VEIVET UIUERABOUIU (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 4 June 2022 00:48 (three years ago)
Thanks for nothing Merrick Garland per Guardian reporter (although NPR reporter Carrie Johnson says "Not a surprise given their partial cooperation and their roles close to then President Trump."
Two sources confirm DOJ told Jan. 6 committee this morning that it would not pursue contempt of Congress charges against Trump aides Mark Meadows and Dan Scavino
New: Two sources confirm DOJ told Jan. 6 committee this morning that it would not pursue contempt of Congress charges against Trump aides Mark Meadows and Dan Scavino — matching scoop by @alanfeuer and @lukebroadwater— Hugo Lowell (@hugolowell) June 4, 2022
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 4 June 2022 15:47 (three years ago)
Garland wimps out thanks to "partial cooperation" and fear of litigation over exec privilege
― curmudgeon, Saturday, 4 June 2022 15:49 (three years ago)
https://i.imgur.com/UKPFMwm.png
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Sunday, 5 June 2022 18:05 (three years ago)
oof
Briahna Joy Gray: Fox News is more inclined to have a leftist on than MSNBC and CNN. (MSNBC regularly hosts members of the squad)Kim Iversen: "I used to hate Tucker Carlson... but I've grown to appreciate him... he's so anti-establishment"Briahna Joy Gray: That's exactly right. pic.twitter.com/wtB6TvvPcI— Matthew Dimitri 🐍🧪 (@themattdimitri) June 4, 2022
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 5 June 2022 23:26 (three years ago)
Briahna Joy Gray is a nonsense grifter who is full of shit and should be ignored
― akm, Sunday, 5 June 2022 23:57 (three years ago)
bernie's campaign retroactively tainted by association with her frankly
― akm, Sunday, 5 June 2022 23:58 (three years ago)
i read the thread and wow what an unpleasant conversation they're all having
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 6 June 2022 00:55 (three years ago)
never read the thread
― towards fungal computer (harbl), Monday, 6 June 2022 01:35 (three years ago)
It's amazing how BJG has not tried to finesse the grift at all, just went from zero to sixty on the Tucker kiss-ass career path after the Virgil Texas debacle.
― Chris L, Monday, 6 June 2022 01:54 (three years ago)
she and matt christman have definitely dipped the toe into populist white grievance messaging many months ago. on one of her chapo guest appearances she lamented that covid lockdowns separated white people from their churches and families so who could blame them for their anger. to enthusiastic agreement, natch!
― bamcquern, Monday, 6 June 2022 02:07 (three years ago)
Members of the failed People's Convoy, now '1776 Restoration Movement', were told that locals would donate a "100 foot long" Subway sandwich for their encampment. But, it turns out, it was all a hoax, as convoy members now claim "antifa extremists" were behind the sandwich scam.— Zachary Petrizzo (@ZTPetrizzo) June 5, 2022
― papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 6 June 2022 04:11 (three years ago)
Worth noting that not a single member questioned the length of the sandwich, despite a 100-foot-long sub being insanely long for a group of 20 or so people!
Questioned it hell, they were excited about those 5 feet of sandwich each. The 1776 Restoration Movement marches on its belly.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 6 June 2022 04:18 (three years ago)
Interesting that John Oliver exposed the/a Subway scam in his last episode 2 weeks ago. How prescient.
― Stevolende, Monday, 6 June 2022 18:53 (three years ago)
Sounds like Antifa.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 6 June 2022 19:06 (three years ago)
what would a 1776 Subway sandwich include? Oxen, horseradish, mincemeat & molasses on a whole rye bun
― Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 6 June 2022 19:08 (three years ago)
preserved rations from valley forge
― in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Monday, 6 June 2022 19:09 (three years ago)
NEW: Far-right provocateur and former Breitbart editor Milo Yiannopoulos has found a new gig: Capitol Hill intern for MAGA firebrand Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene. https://t.co/6PH35NABnv— The Daily Beast (@thedailybeast) June 6, 2022
i hate this reality
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 June 2022 19:34 (three years ago)
I don't know, I think that's kinda perfect. There is no higher office to which Marjorie Taylor Greene can realistically aspire. She's stuck in that House seat for a few more years, getting on Fox News on the regular but pushing through absolutely no legislation, and...that's...it. That's her life, summed up. She'll be a political troll for a little while longer, until someone shoots her or she gets indicted for something or she just gets bored and decides to run for Senate or governor, in which case she'll get demolished. So Milo, who self-immolated beautifully once already, is currently "working" as an *intern* for a political dead-ender. Good for him. I hope he overstays his visa and gets deported and banned from the country, but in the meantime, he's got a dead-end job that might (but probably won't) get him on Tucker Carlson's show once. The stench of loser-dom in that office must be enough to make people want to cover their faces with a rag soaked in Vick's.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 6 June 2022 19:51 (three years ago)
wasn't milo hawking catholic curios on a shopping network recently? I guess any gig is better than that, even being MTG's office boy
― Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 6 June 2022 19:58 (three years ago)
Eh, Greene is one thing, I just hate that anyone is giving Milo a chance at laundering his image at this point in time. Fuck that guy forever.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 June 2022 20:03 (three years ago)
Not least because he is now claiming to be an "ex gay" and is pushing conversion therapy.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 6 June 2022 20:05 (three years ago)
the shit thing is even if she is a political albatross it's still useful for the GOP to keep her around, since every time she says something idiotic it gets a ton of media coverage and leads to people donating to unseat her, despite being in a Trump +99 district
― frogbs, Monday, 6 June 2022 20:10 (three years ago)
i stumbled across a radio interview with an old high school friend today. i used to be facebook friends with him, back when i had facebook, and unfortunately he'd turned into a real classic white dude right wing / libertarian anger machine since the days i knew him. he and i had been really close. we started a band together. he was two years older than me. his name was herbie and he literally drove a beige beetle. he loved fugazi and ministry. we went to hardcore and metal shows together. i watched all kinds of "edgy" vhs tapes in his parents' rec room. clockwork orange, the wall. we both smoked camel filters. he loved to quote alastair crowley's "do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law". i always added "as long as it doesn't stop somebody else doing what they wilt" and he thought that was funny and agreed with it.
anyway, it turns out he ended up enlisting and going to somalia. when he came back he had ptsd. in the radio interview he said that his job was to get food and supplies to villages in somalia, and what would happen is that warlords would figure out where the drops were happening, and just clean up behind the us military, killing whoever they needed to in order to steal all the stuff. so it felt to him like his unit was basically responsible for wiping out village after village indirectly. i thought this was pretty insightful, so i looked him up on instagram. his handle is "synapticleftist" and he is now in the psychology department at the university of tennessee and specializing in PTSD and drug addiction!!! so like.. people can change. for the worse, maybe, and then for the better. i think in herbie's case it sounds like it took a lot of very hard personal experience - and then seeing exactly how republican politicians actually treat veterans - to get to a better place.
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 6 June 2022 20:11 (three years ago)
Interesting, I found out today that someone with whom I went to nerd camp as a teenager is now Curtis Yarvin’s fiancée. She even wrote a long, neoliberal Facebook post about how she was being attacked and how couples should be able to get past their political differences. That and one of my teenage mentors ending up being a lead editor and writer for The Federalist is pretty, uh, jarring.
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Monday, 6 June 2022 20:19 (three years ago)
Great story, Tracer. Thanks.
― sleep, that's where I'm the cousin of death (PBKR), Monday, 6 June 2022 20:20 (three years ago)
(I should note, too, that the guy who started Facebook also went to this nerd camp at the same time as me, but i did not know him) ( Not a great record for this nerd camp)
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Monday, 6 June 2022 20:20 (three years ago)
Tracer! Wow.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 6 June 2022 20:21 (three years ago)
Thanks for sharing.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 6 June 2022 20:22 (three years ago)
You know, it's ironic. If @SenTedCruz put half as much effort into building a better future for all Americans as he does shitposting on Twitter, maybe his constituents wouldn't be paying so much to get around. Let's take this latest lie apart, shall we? 1/ https://t.co/4HqJqtFjoj— Stonekettle (@Stonekettle) June 6, 2022
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 6 June 2022 22:59 (three years ago)
Today I’m investigating Twitter for potentially misleading Texans on the number of its “bot” users. I have a duty to protect Texans if Twitter is misrepresenting how many accounts are fake to drive up their revenue.https://t.co/OZbwdV3pnY— Texas Attorney General (@TXAG) June 6, 2022
please show me one Texan who gives one single fuck about whether Twitter misrepresents its bot count and how that hurts anyone who lives in Texas. Goddamnit fuck that whole fucking state.
― akm, Monday, 6 June 2022 23:52 (three years ago)
please show me one Texan who gives one single fuck about whether Twitter misrepresents its bot count and how that hurts anyone who lives in Texas.
https://the-hollywood-gossip-res.cloudinary.com/iu/s---4aPFOD---/t_full/cs_srgb,f_auto,fl_strip_profile.lossy,q_auto:420/v1650904312/elon-musk-in-a-cowboy-hat.jpg
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 00:24 (three years ago)
Musk has the Texas Government/GOP in his pocket.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 00:25 (three years ago)
Elon's apparent concern with the bot count is solely him seeking an exit strategy
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 7 June 2022 00:31 (three years ago)
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Wai0KpzGIPQ/SCCO3TqI8OI/AAAAAAAAAy8/0NDL9PxoRMI/s400/rick-louie-gambling.jpg
"You can't back out! On what grounds?"
"I am shocked, shocked to discover there are bots on your platform!"
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 02:05 (three years ago)
Musk was recently identified as the wealthiest human alive and probably remains within spitting distance of that status. The Texas AG, in common with the vast majority of the Texas executive and legislature, is both ambitious as hell and venal in proportion to his ambition. It isn't hard to connect the bots dots.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 02:50 (three years ago)
31k likes for someone straight up harassing this drag queen. Cool. https://t.co/yRhQ5w6gLx— Tyler Dinucci!! (@TylerDinucci) June 6, 2022
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 13:43 (three years ago)
Also in gay news:
Showing up to work on my first day & remembering at the last minute to delete my “kill all my new coworkers” tweet https://t.co/9DS8mKuh1i— Christopher Mathias (@letsgomathias) June 7, 2022
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 13:48 (three years ago)
Surely he'll keep his head down and his nose to the grindstone, doing important work for people
― rare lipstick or mohawks that somehow make them more valuable (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 14:18 (three years ago)
is that code for "blowjobs"
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 14:19 (three years ago)
he’s execrable but will always prefer to see more of him and the Boeberts and the Greenes and the Cawthornes (RIP) making asses of themselves, as opposed to the Vance and Hawley types
― OG Bob Sacamano (will), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 14:23 (three years ago)
Is the grindstone where the cocaine is?
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 14:24 (three years ago)
xp would happily take neither
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 15:14 (three years ago)
would happily take launching into the sun
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 15:42 (three years ago)
why would you purposely cause our star to go nova, tabes??
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 15:44 (three years ago)
I'm also all for blowing up the sun, fwiw.
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 15:45 (three years ago)
Wellllll, not before this afternoon's Negroni.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 15:49 (three years ago)
i assume greene is just preparing for her post-elected politics career, where she gets paid to make dumb speeches in both real life and television for the next 10 years, at least. milo is a pro troll, he has connections and his friends and pals are the kind of people who would watch her show
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 15:57 (three years ago)
But she's already getting paid to make dumb speeches in her pre-post-elected politics career.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 15:59 (three years ago)
yeah, but that's not going to last forever. need to start shoring up the grift for her next 10 years. she has a family to feed, and they only eat money and fresh maggots
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 16:05 (three years ago)
I mentally spoonerized "fresh maggots" and understood why she hired on Milo.
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 16:08 (three years ago)
:-o
what has milo even been doing the last few years?
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 16:13 (three years ago)
gay conversion therapy (grifting)
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 16:15 (three years ago)
normal shit:
In 2017, Y14nnopoulos was a U.S. resident alien on O-1 visa status. He reportedly married his long-term boyfriend in Hawaii in September 2017. In March 2021, during an interview with right-wing publication LifeSiteNews, Y14nnopoulos claimed to be "ex-gay" and stated his husband had been "demoted to housemate".In August 2021, Y14nnopoulos claimed that he tested positive for COVID-19 and implied that he used ivermectin to treat himself, despite the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and medical professionals warning against using the medication as a treatment for COVID-19.In March 2021, Y14nnopoulos declared to the LifeSiteNews website that he was an ex-gay and would begin advocating on behalf of improving the public image of gay conversion therapy. In June 2021, Y14nnopoulos announced that he was fundraising for a gay conversion therapy centre in Florida.
In August 2021, Y14nnopoulos claimed that he tested positive for COVID-19 and implied that he used ivermectin to treat himself, despite the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and medical professionals warning against using the medication as a treatment for COVID-19.
In March 2021, Y14nnopoulos declared to the LifeSiteNews website that he was an ex-gay and would begin advocating on behalf of improving the public image of gay conversion therapy. In June 2021, Y14nnopoulos announced that he was fundraising for a gay conversion therapy centre in Florida.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 16:16 (three years ago)
Of course.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 16:18 (three years ago)
i'm sorry, but i refused to believe "LifeSiteNews website" is real. again, despite evidence to the contrary, i cannot live in a world where someone thinks "i am going to read LifeSiteNews now!"
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 16:27 (three years ago)
hmmm, THIS looks like a good source of information! it's got life, site, AND news!
*immediately walks into telephone pole*
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 16:28 (three years ago)
top lifesitenews story right now:
(LifeSiteNews) — Five Tampa Bay Rays pitchers declined to wear rainbow-themed insignias on their hats and jerseys during the team’s “Pride Night” celebration on Saturday, citing their Christian faith. The five pitchers — Jason Adam, Jalen Beeks, Brooks Raley, Jeffrey Springs, and Ryan Thompson — took a stand against the pressure being exerted within all major league sports to “celebrate” and “welcome” sodomy and gender confusion during the month of June.
The five pitchers — Jason Adam, Jalen Beeks, Brooks Raley, Jeffrey Springs, and Ryan Thompson — took a stand against the pressure being exerted within all major league sports to “celebrate” and “welcome” sodomy and gender confusion during the month of June.
i have to say, this is actually useful news, fuck those guys
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 16:29 (three years ago)
"Sodomy & Gender Confusion" sounds like an outtake from Billion Dollar Babies
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 7 June 2022 16:50 (three years ago)
Of course they're all "pitchers."
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 17:17 (three years ago)
of course they're all "bitches"
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 17:34 (three years ago)
97% of white guys who play pro sports are just the biggest fucking doofuses
― OG Bob Sacamano (will), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 17:44 (three years ago)
um, I’m not trying to be a total dick, but most guys who play professional sports are incredible doofuses.
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 17:55 (three years ago)
i'm always curious how these bozos like Milo and Baked Alaska survive. how are they paying their bills? I see Milo has a job now but are they basically funded by donations from horrible people?
― akm, Tuesday, 7 June 2022 18:55 (three years ago)
Rewrite as statement.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 19:00 (three years ago)
Most of them started out as do-nothings with parents that paid their bills.
― Jaime Pressly and America (f. hazel), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 19:04 (three years ago)
xp i have no evidence for this and i'm not going to look for it but i have a hunch that many of these proud boy types have support from mom and dad. you don't bootstrap yourself into being an incompetent hatemonger. i'm willing to bet that being already bootstrapped by mom and dad is part of the reason one becomes an incompetent hatemonger in the first place.
― the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 19:06 (three years ago)
Milo was hawking Virgin Mother statues fairly recently:
https://s31242.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/milo-yiannopolous-1536x923.jpg
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 7 June 2022 19:06 (three years ago)
“There are some Marys where the face is unfortunate, they haven’t put in the work to make sure that she’s got just the right expression and features,” he says in a clip.
“This on the other hand, you can see at home it’s just, it’s just beautiful.”
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 7 June 2022 19:07 (three years ago)
He looks like Johnny Depp playing Milo.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 19:10 (three years ago)
Ped Wood
― rare lipstick or mohawks that somehow make them more valuable (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 19:11 (three years ago)
I thought Baked had rich parents, Milo's basically spent half his life begging for money
― frogbs, Tuesday, 7 June 2022 19:13 (three years ago)
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/07/us/politics/jan-6-hearings-tv-democrats.html
Jan. 6 Hearings Give Democrats a Chance to Recast Midterm MessageWith their majority at stake, Democrats plan to use the six high-profile hearings to refocus voters’ attention on Republicans’ role in the attack.
I'm sure this will be highly effective!
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 23:35 (three years ago)
Ehh, it might sway some 'undecided independents, whoever they are
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 7 June 2022 23:38 (three years ago)
NYT being NYT.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 7 June 2022 23:38 (three years ago)
Milo is essentially all the desperation of the producers in The Producers made glossy flesh.
― politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Wednesday, 8 June 2022 12:43 (three years ago)
Got to congratulate the Bubbas, their war on higher education is close to being won in KY. Let us see, the Bubbas first got rooked by a bunch of Wall Street slickers basically blowing state pension funds. They then separated off the cops' union from the teachers, as you cannot go after the cops. They then basically blamed the teachers for their pension funding mess and pretty much forced cuts on people that don't really get paid that f'n much in the first place, especially in the back hollers of KY. They pretty much then tried to arrest them or fire them for complaining. Then you have COVID and the Bubba law makers pretty much similulatanously blamed the teachers for not wanting to get back into the schools and then turns around and stated they were brainwashing children with CRT.
https://www.weku.org/education/2022-06-07/nearly-three-quarters-of-ky-teachers-are-at-risk-of-leaving-the-profession-top-ed-official-says
F'n dumba$$ Bubbas each and every one, maybe they should make take some campaign pictures with some assault rifles, that will impress them.
― The Artist formerly known as Earlnash, Wednesday, 8 June 2022 23:28 (three years ago)
Some committee members have hinted they will aim to prove Trump’s culpability for Jan. 6 in a couple of respects: that he incited the attack on the Capitol, and that he broke federal law by trying to stop lawmakers from certifying Joe Biden’s win. It is a crime to obstruct an official proceeding of Congress. They’ve interviewed former aides and administration officials — including the No. 1 and No. 2 officials at the Justice Department at the time, Jeffrey Rosen and Richard Donoghue — who testified that they told Trump, in no uncertain terms, that he lost the 2020 election. But to build the case that he committed a crime, the committee would need to demonstrate that Trump and his allies specifically planned to disrupt the congressional counting of electoral votes.
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 June 2022 13:52 (three years ago)
Anyone watch Chris Haye's two-hour special last night? Rather good and crisp.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 June 2022 14:02 (three years ago)
*Hayes'
I did not. Did anyone make the point about it being so long after the initial events happened that it no longer matters? The original shock of watching that day unfold, knowing where it was going, has been replaced with.....????
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 June 2022 14:20 (three years ago)
idk even as someone who has followed the adjudication since the beginning it clarified.
How fast would you have wanted it to go given the number of witnesses?
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 June 2022 14:25 (three years ago)
The government should have re-launched America's Most Wanted and done a nightly profile of each insurrectionist. That might have held people's interest. Everyone loves the chance to rat out their neighbor.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 9 June 2022 14:42 (three years ago)
Ooh, juicy.
BREAKING: The FBI has arrested Republican candidate for governor Ryan Kelley at his home and taken him into custody.— David Eggert (@DavidEggert00) June 9, 2022
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Thursday, 9 June 2022 14:46 (three years ago)
double the pace! half the rations!
once the investigation took the form that it took, it was always going to take a year and a half, with the big finale set for the months leading up to the midterms. and maybe i'm just being supremely naive, because maybe that's the only form it could have taken. it's certainly the one that works out the best for elected officials, because it works out for everyone except for the people and future of the country they represent.
on the republicans side, they get to get away with it. everything. they might lose a couple fringe staffers (? probably not?), but compare it to the day of and the day after january 6, when they were running scared. they were calling trump and yelling at him, freaking out, probably about their own wellbeing, life if they might go to prison for what they did. within a couple days, though, everything had changed. within a month you were a complete bozo to republicans if you saw january 6 in any way that resembled what actually happened. and now, if the jan 6 hearings happens to call out one of them in particular, they will be a national hero.
on the democrats side, they get to show that they investigated and were very thorough and deliver a real knock out blow (/sarcasm) to groups like the proud boys. nothing of consequence will happen, which is what everyone expects at this point. they've lowered the standards for themselves so far that if anything of any consequence happens, it will be a fucking miracle and i'll be typing stuff like "well i didn't expect that! wow!". but the expectation is that nothing will happen. still, democrats can take all of this great political ammunition to the mid-terms and...get their ass kicked because they're feeble cowards, just as their reputation has been my entire life.
Was there another way? is there any other possible way that "justice" could be delivered? beats the fuck out of me. i think it would have been cool to do something during those first terrible hours and days and weeks after the incident, when the memory still had a certain form for many people. at this point, that national memory is formless for so many reasons. maybe doing something in the short term, before our memories became twisted and decayed, would have required focusing on one group or another rather than _everyone_, or just focusing on elected officials and their staff, or maybe just a handful of the most obvious offenders.
who knows. maybe this is a symptom of the slide into authoritarianism and fascism - one can no longer see the alternatives to the thing that is clearly wrong and ineffective
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 June 2022 14:48 (three years ago)
"idk even as someone who has followed the adjudication since the beginning it clarified."
been a lot of narrative building over friendly channels the past two weeks, it's quite apparent. preaching to the choir. clarifying, i agree, but the bully pulpit is fucking useless so far. imo. xp
― Warning: Choking Hazard (Hunt3r), Thursday, 9 June 2022 14:52 (three years ago)
actually, here's another way to look at it.
if, in bizarro world, january 6 was led by left-wing groups, and was an effort to reverse the results of the recent presidential election so that the democratic candidate who blatantly, clearly, lost got to keep on being president....
what would the investigation look like then? basically, just switch everything around so republicans hold the levers of government, and it's clearly "antifa" or whatever trying to steal the election?
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 June 2022 15:04 (three years ago)
i do that in my head a bit. and contrast to benghazi. i was just before this post trying to find out the obedience to subpeonas in benghazi, didn't find.
― Warning: Choking Hazard (Hunt3r), Thursday, 9 June 2022 15:06 (three years ago)
you don't even have to imagine, the conclusion of the J6 committee is gonna be "antifa did it"
― frogbs, Thursday, 9 June 2022 15:11 (three years ago)
Before he was obediently helping ex-President Donald Trump stonewall the House Jan. 6 Committee’s investigation into the Capitol insurrection, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) was privately stressing the need for an investigation in the days after the attack.On Thursday night, New York Times reporters Jonathan Martin and Alex Burns released new audio of one of McCarthy’s calls with fellow Republicans on Jan. 11 last year, during which the GOP leader declared that it was essential to get to the bottom of the insurrection.“We cannot just sweep this under the rug. We need to know why it happened, who did it, and people need to be held accountable for it,” he said. “And I’m committed to making sure that happens.”
On Thursday night, New York Times reporters Jonathan Martin and Alex Burns released new audio of one of McCarthy’s calls with fellow Republicans on Jan. 11 last year, during which the GOP leader declared that it was essential to get to the bottom of the insurrection.
“We cannot just sweep this under the rug. We need to know why it happened, who did it, and people need to be held accountable for it,” he said. “And I’m committed to making sure that happens.”
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 9 June 2022 15:32 (three years ago)
Every single day that they've spent on this, all the usual high profile assholes have been out and about, fearlessly, freely, openly and explicitly laying the groundwork and advocating for a more successful repeat. From the local state level to prominent national politicians. The DOJ, by not enforcing subpoenas against Meadows and Scavino, has shown that it will likely not do anything serious with anyone else high up on the food chain, either, give or take a Proud Boy or Oath Keeper. The committee will very proudly lay out its meticulous work and proof, Trump Inc. will continue to clog the justice toilet for years, voters will either forget about it or further entrench, and the march toward the end of democracy will continue unabated.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 June 2022 15:47 (three years ago)
Given the outlet, this history is not terrible https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/06/supreme-court-power-overrule-congress/661212/
― Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 9 June 2022 15:47 (three years ago)
I heard Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein on the PBS News Hour yesterday, promoting a new edition of All the President's Men with a new forward about the parallels with Trump.
When asked who was worse, they were both unequivocal: Trump. Nixon's crimes were political, but not seditious - and he resigned when nearly all the Republicans turned against him, while Trump is floating the idea of another run, which is likely supported by the GOP lackeys
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 9 June 2022 16:45 (three years ago)
I feel like Republicans turned against Nixon because the news reporting would be too damning for them. Now, with Fox, Newsmax, OANN etc. they've created their own alternate reality where Trump (and the party) have done no wrong. Also Trump is their charismatic leader now, and all the DeSantises and Cruzes trying to suck up to that power don't really have "it" as far as I can see, so the lackeys will support him until enough of the country has turned against him.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 9 June 2022 17:56 (three years ago)
Yes. Also their own voters. This would change after 1980.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 June 2022 18:01 (three years ago)
I've said a million times, all the "moderate" once-Republicans are now Democrats.
― Antifa Sandwich Artist (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 9 June 2022 19:49 (three years ago)
Nah, they're either dead (because they were born in 1907) or fascists now. Moderate Republicans didn't move to the Democrats, they just stopped being moderate.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 9 June 2022 20:06 (three years ago)
We all have our good former Republicans.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 June 2022 20:10 (three years ago)
Yeah, but Romney & Murkowski have some misgivings and decidely mixed feelings about the fascism
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 9 June 2022 20:11 (three years ago)
even Goldwater's rep has been rehabilitated through the prism of today's GOP shitshow
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 9 June 2022 20:12 (three years ago)
He was the first rehab case I remember because he wasn't quite as insane as the rest of the party but only about gay people serving in the military.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 9 June 2022 20:15 (three years ago)
Also looked genuinely pissed off about Nixon's felonies and didn't retreat into "Well, we won't let Democrat senators do THAT to us again."
He's still heinous.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 June 2022 20:20 (three years ago)
idk I think there are a lot of people who were yuppie Reagan/ Bush I voters in the 80s living in blue metros/ states with no ties to the religious right, find MAGA “tacky” and vote Democratic now. which sort of seems like the primary project of Democratic Party since Carter: ie replace union voters with lettered suburbanites convinced that low or no corporate taxes, financial deregulation, and big military budgets are The Way
― OG Bob Sacamano (will), Thursday, 9 June 2022 20:21 (three years ago)
eg my 50 something NoVa cousin who was basically Alex P Keaton in the 80s
― OG Bob Sacamano (will), Thursday, 9 June 2022 20:22 (three years ago)
My best friend's in-laws! The dad was a bottom-feeding Cuban conservative radio personality, just awful, whose brain was broken by Dubya. Hated the Iraq War. Voted for Obama twice, Clinton, Biden. He ain't going back.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 9 June 2022 20:22 (three years ago)
here's the quote that libs love to float:
A woman has a right to an abortion. That's a decision that's up to the pregnant woman, not up to the pope or some do-gooders or the Religious Right.-Barry Goldwater
I guess he'd be more of a libertarian in today's spectrum
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 9 June 2022 20:23 (three years ago)
groomers pic.twitter.com/ALKSMZ2wIZ— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) June 9, 2022
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 9 June 2022 20:42 (three years ago)
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Thursday, 9 June 2022 21:04 (three years ago)
My mom, who just turned 77, nicely laid out her politics in a recent email, which I found interesting:
My politics have been fairly consistent throughout my adult life. I tend to be socially liberal and fiscally somewhat conservative, but being socially liberal means spending on social programs. When I first started voting, I nearly always voted Democratic. If I really did not like a Democrat candidate, I did occasionally vote for the Republican. I have never missed voting in a presidential election. I supported JFK in 1960, and LBJ in 1964, but I could not vote until the 1968 election because the voting age was 21 until 1971.When I moved to Pennsylvania, I was required to pick a party. My township was almost 100% Republican. The same candidate, a Republican, would either be listed on both tickets, or would be unopposed. So I registered as an Independent. This meant I could not vote in primary elections. Some of the mid-term elections included Governor or US Senator, so I voted in them. Eventually I increased my votes to include all elections except primaries. After Donald Trump won the 2016 presidential election, I changed my registration to Democrat so that I could finally vote in primaries. I will now vote for anyone opposed to Trump. I believe he set the country back in so many ways that it may never fully recover.I am pro-choice, pro-equality, pro-voting rights. I want real tax reform where everyone pays their fair share. I want more money spent on education. I want affordable or free-tuition college options. I want the US to support democracy around the world, I want United Nations reform, I want other nations to pay their share and stop criticizing Israel’s right to exist. And of course I want peace.
When I moved to Pennsylvania, I was required to pick a party. My township was almost 100% Republican. The same candidate, a Republican, would either be listed on both tickets, or would be unopposed. So I registered as an Independent. This meant I could not vote in primary elections. Some of the mid-term elections included Governor or US Senator, so I voted in them. Eventually I increased my votes to include all elections except primaries. After Donald Trump won the 2016 presidential election, I changed my registration to Democrat so that I could finally vote in primaries. I will now vote for anyone opposed to Trump. I believe he set the country back in so many ways that it may never fully recover.
I am pro-choice, pro-equality, pro-voting rights. I want real tax reform where everyone pays their fair share. I want more money spent on education. I want affordable or free-tuition college options. I want the US to support democracy around the world, I want United Nations reform, I want other nations to pay their share and stop criticizing Israel’s right to exist. And of course I want peace.
Tbf, her whole family has always leaned Democratic. My dad's family, working class Philly, all lean more or less the opposite, and his side of the family is where I've discovered all the open and secret Trumpers.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 June 2022 21:11 (three years ago)
JiC I love your mom! Those are pretty much my mom's views as well.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 9 June 2022 21:14 (three years ago)
stop criticizing Israel’s right to exist.
okay, she lost me here lol
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 9 June 2022 21:17 (three years ago)
Similar upbringing and perspective as my mom. My dad grew up a red diaper baby but his dad was a teacher at Andover, so he rubbed elbows with a lot of scions growing up and was extremely conservative until Bush 2, when he began to rapidly mellow into the Bernie type politics guy he is now. Tbh I am proud of him.
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Thursday, 9 June 2022 21:17 (three years ago)
It seems any thoughtful criticism of Israeli policy gets recast as opposing their very right to exist, or anti-semitism
I doubt your mom feels this way, but nonetheless
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 9 June 2022 21:19 (three years ago)
A former colleague of mine, an orthodox Jew, told me Jimmy Carter was antisemitic, which was news to me. I asked her why, and her basic answer was that he was critical of Israel.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 9 June 2022 22:04 (three years ago)
There are so many better reasons to dislike Jimmy Carter.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 9 June 2022 22:10 (three years ago)
Based on reported news, leaks and rumors, I'm beginning to suspect that the Jan. 6 committee may finally demonstrate, after all its investigating, that the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys, two openly seditious right wing groups whose leaders are currently in jail, indicted for seditious conspiracy related to Jan. 6, may in fact have had something to do with Jan. 6, possibly something seditious. Hopefully the Jan. 6 committee will present ample facts so people can come to their own conclusions. Maybe one day in the near future they'll even be convicted and sentenced - perhaps for sedition? - in time for the next GOP president to pardon them.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 June 2022 22:38 (three years ago)
Why are they doing this in prime time? Do they think people are going to tune into this shit?
― sleep, that's where I'm the cousin of death (PBKR), Thursday, 9 June 2022 22:42 (three years ago)
Put it on Netflix, call it Stranger Things 5, slap some Kate Bush on top.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 9 June 2022 22:44 (three years ago)
I don't think I'll be around tonite to watch this dog & pony show, but I look forward to any really damaging stuff that comes out, fully realizing that diehard trumplings won't give a shit about anything that's revealed
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 9 June 2022 22:45 (three years ago)
Seeing "Top Gun" tonight, at least I know that will get results.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 June 2022 23:12 (three years ago)
The people most likely to respond to 30 e-mails a day asking for just five more dollars will be glued to the screen?
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 9 June 2022 23:13 (three years ago)
Ugh those locker room scenes in Top Gun are torture
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Thursday, 9 June 2022 23:13 (three years ago)
No spoilers!
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 9 June 2022 23:14 (three years ago)
(Are there planes?)
Planes wearing precariously balanced towels around their midsections?
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Thursday, 9 June 2022 23:14 (three years ago)
Sensual Aircraft
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 9 June 2022 23:47 (three years ago)
Here we go
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 9 June 2022 23:59 (three years ago)
I can't watch this, it'll dredge up too much. Will gladly read the highlights
― Gymnopédie Pablo (Neanderthal), Friday, 10 June 2022 00:02 (three years ago)
Fuckfuckityfuck.The audio was so far out of sync in that Bill Barr clip, I could practically smell the deepfake conspiracies developing in real time...
― m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Friday, 10 June 2022 00:17 (three years ago)
Lynne Cheney is kind of amazing in this hearing, she is not reading from any script but is speaking in the moment and is very articulate
― Dan S, Friday, 10 June 2022 00:33 (three years ago)
Like most Republicans, she knows how to hate.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 June 2022 00:35 (three years ago)
I think she probably memorized this performance but it is pretty intricate and is an amazing monologue
― Dan S, Friday, 10 June 2022 00:38 (three years ago)
“Be there. Will be wild!”
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 10 June 2022 00:38 (three years ago)
I'm only listening on radio, she's not reading from a teleprompter or something? pretty amazing
― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 10 June 2022 00:49 (three years ago)
Jan 6 footage.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 10 June 2022 00:52 (three years ago)
“there will come a day when Donald Trump will be gone, and you will be dishonored”
I would like to believe that will be true!
― Dan S, Friday, 10 June 2022 00:58 (three years ago)
I’m still so angry that these assholes weren’t arrested right then and there.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 10 June 2022 00:58 (three years ago)
this fucking video
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 June 2022 01:01 (three years ago)
Oof, that final sound bite & image combo.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 10 June 2022 01:03 (three years ago)
lol @ Tarrio and other Proud Boys admitting they sold more merch after Trump's comments at the debate.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 June 2022 01:24 (three years ago)
I feel like it's my responsibility as a citizen to watch this and yet I know it will send me careening into hopelessness (I'm not watching it)
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 10 June 2022 01:25 (three years ago)
It’s a lot to watch.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 10 June 2022 01:26 (three years ago)
it's better stitched together than expected
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 10 June 2022 01:27 (three years ago)
The documentary filmmaker talking about the Proud Boy/Oath Keeper meeting the night before was something.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 10 June 2022 01:38 (three years ago)
There’s some canny stagecraft at work here that I appreciate - a white, female representative in split screen interviewing a white Capitol police officer and this awful day.
One was trying to defend the other and was assaulted for it.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 10 June 2022 01:43 (three years ago)
I missed a word or two in that post but you get what I’m saying.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 10 June 2022 01:44 (three years ago)
“I was slipping in people’s blood.”
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 10 June 2022 01:48 (three years ago)
Just heard that not only did Fox not broadcast this, they didn't even air any commercials that would risk their audience changing the channel and tuning in. That's pretty despicable, even for them.
(Top Gun was silly but very entertaining, btw.)
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 10 June 2022 03:00 (three years ago)
The Newsmax lower third during the hearings has been completely unhinged. pic.twitter.com/eBS5oRXEcw— trapezoid of discovery (@get_innocuous) June 10, 2022
Jesus christ pic.twitter.com/05xjUQe5YD— trapezoid of discovery (@get_innocuous) June 10, 2022
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 10 June 2022 03:27 (three years ago)
.@TuckerCarlson: The truth of what happened on Jan. 6 is still unknown https://t.co/FLBpB9uGtq— Fox News (@FoxNews) June 10, 2022
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, 10 June 2022 03:28 (three years ago)
xposts there's your answer for why fox didn't broadcast the hearings: they'll get better ratings with tucker carlson, who will also, simultaneously, provide a different version of events for his viewers. why wouldn't they? everyone rolled their eyes when fox news was called "propaganda" during the bush administration. that's because they used to keep most of the more overt propaganda stuff on the "opinion" shows after the "news" hours were over. that line between news and propaganda was completely obliterated at some point, long before hannity was onstage with trump
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, 10 June 2022 03:31 (three years ago)
and yes, i know, faithful ilx readers, that none of YOU rolled your eyes at fox being called propaganda in the 2000s!
just saying, there is a difference between really bad and reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally bad, and although they're on the spectrum and all of this could be seen coming a long time ago, well, a long time has passed, and yes, this time has come
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, 10 June 2022 03:32 (three years ago)
"on the spectrum" should be "on the same spectrum", i'm not trying to say anything about autism.
saying things on ilx while making a bunch of typos is the most stressful
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, 10 June 2022 03:33 (three years ago)
they didn't even air any commercials that would risk their audience changing the channel and tuning in.
goddam they really do just want it more
― OG Bob Sacamano (will), Friday, 10 June 2022 03:38 (three years ago)
i used way too many words to make a point that didn't make any sense. i'm sorry, i'd delete if i could, not because fox isn't propaganda, but because i'm not saying anything anyone doesn't know.
i watched the new cronenberg tonight and then i came home and watched a youtube of the hearings. i'm a mess right now ok, this is more than a person should have to face in one day
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, 10 June 2022 03:42 (three years ago)
yesterday's hearing was upped as a podcast by MSNBC as a Rachel Maddow show. Not sre if they'll keep it permanentlyhttps://open.spotify.com/episode/6DDbS7lZ9tPF43ZvZl48hp?si=9ecdf971b2654854
― Stevolende, Friday, 10 June 2022 18:49 (three years ago)
so far the hearings are about as good as they could be, i guess. if nothing else, i agree with the view that it is very important to document what actually happened. even if documenting is not enough, even if these hearings don't even reach most of the country and never will, other than in heavily distorted form, interpreted by people who are against the language.
if nothing else, we got our cover of Dystopia 2022
https://i.imgur.com/jnTQupK.png
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 11 June 2022 15:22 (three years ago)
BIG IVANKA IS WATCHING YOU
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 11 June 2022 15:29 (three years ago)
it really is a good photo, i think. ivanka's testimony makes it pretty clear that she knew early on (likely before Barr told her it was "bullshit") that what her father was saying was complete bullshit. none of that matters. what matters is that she is large and hangs above the panel designated to investigate her family's blatant, ongoing crimes. her words go away, if they were ever there, her facial expression is blank, there's nothing in there. it's awfulness it its most pure and awful form, the banality that hannah arendt wrote about.
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 11 June 2022 15:43 (three years ago)
it's possible she never developed real expressions because she has never needed them, once
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 11 June 2022 15:44 (three years ago)
I like the idea of many of these assholes never being seen in person ever again, just appearing now and then from giant video screens, under duress, with pained expressions.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 June 2022 15:55 (three years ago)
“My lawyer said I had to be here, so” *blank, almost AI-generated expression of indifference*
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 11 June 2022 16:00 (three years ago)
You're angered because they're making information as available as possible to the nation and the world that counters the relentlessly repeated stolen-election narrative? Is it because you're missing something else in prime time that got pre-empted? Get over it.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 11 June 2022 16:49 (three years ago)
Holy shit at this making the rounds:
Why was there no backup on January 6th?pic.twitter.com/SzQdQauOd7— Fifty Shades of Whey (@davenewworld_2) June 10, 2022
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 June 2022 16:53 (three years ago)
The MAGA hat is a good touch. Why do I instantly think he was a non-MAGA plant who was there for reasons other than protesting the "stolen election"?
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 11 June 2022 17:02 (three years ago)
I guess I don’t understand about that tweet. I thought it was pretty clear that officials were trying to get the DC National Guard called up and were stymied cause the DC National Guard is controlled by the President. And that there were delays because other local law enforcement weren’t on standby, ‘cause no one planned for this thing to turn into a pudgy white riot (you can bet if it was a BLM protest every cop in the world would have been there.) Also backup did come, I personally saw a caravan of Virginia State Police zoom down Interstate 66.
― Antifa Sandwich Artist (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 11 June 2022 17:13 (three years ago)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/interactive/2021/capitol-insurrection-visual-timeline/Although the backup came really late, after Trump already did his “we love you” speech.
― Antifa Sandwich Artist (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 11 June 2022 17:19 (three years ago)
I guess I don’t understand about that tweet.
That video clip is meant to confuse the narrative. It "proves" MAGA people at the "rally" were sympathetic to the Capitol police and shocked by the violence of "these people" who wanted blood!
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 11 June 2022 17:24 (three years ago)
I don't think it's that nefarious at all. I think the gist of the clip is that even some protestors who were there recognized the situation was out of control in real time, and that the cops were doing nothing. Like, this is a guy that dressed up and showed up but soon saw that this was not what he signed up for, that the crowd was violent/out for blood. Which yeah, we all knew/know that. But to see that contemporaneous perspective from the inside, from a person who (assuming his validity) at least started on the side of the protests and was shocked no one seemed prepared for this inevitable turn, it's useful to have, imo. Doesn't absolve him of any complicity or anything, just emphasizes how chaotic and violent the situation was even to someone sympathetic to the cause, and how Trump was just letting it happen.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 11 June 2022 17:30 (three years ago)
Josh OTM
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 11 June 2022 19:25 (three years ago)
Grimace! No!Source: https://t.co/0ms9enEzpK pic.twitter.com/ytIL2ZpVJe— Parker Molloy (@ParkerMolloy) June 11, 2022
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 11 June 2022 20:11 (three years ago)
i'm not sure where to put this, right now, but it seems like something bad was prevented from happening today
BREAKING: Authorities have stopped this Uhaul and detained approximately 20 people. They all have the same type of clothing on. Truck was stopped about 1/8th mile from the pride event. We’re working to get more info from police. @KREM2 pic.twitter.com/bez1msBz45— Kyle Simchuk (@KyleSimchuk) June 11, 2022
https://www.krem.com/article/news/local/police-detain-group-found-inside-uhaul-coeur-dalene/293-aa1593a5-5fd2-4ce4-b0c1-bf8edaedcfe6
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 11 June 2022 22:56 (three years ago)
according to this person, they're from patriot front, which SPLC describes as "a white nationalist hate group that broke off from Vanguard America in the aftermath of the deadly “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, of August 12, 2017. "
holy shit. patriot front detained pic.twitter.com/uIIZeXn6Ci— alissa azar (@AlissaAzar) June 11, 2022
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 11 June 2022 23:00 (three years ago)
twitter thread here from local eyewitnessscuttlebutt is that they got sprung bc there was a fed in their group chat & they were possibly arrested for conspiracy to riot but idk veracity of that
Patriot front arrested. they have a uhaul filled with shields and idk what else https://t.co/c8pCyd0xGW pic.twitter.com/omQuLyPpoe— alissa azar (@AlissaAzar) June 11, 2022
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 11 June 2022 23:02 (three years ago)
lol jinx <3
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 11 June 2022 23:03 (three years ago)
it doesn't look like they had any guns, at least (?), but still, never a good sign when you're riding as a group in the back of a uhaul, wtf
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 11 June 2022 23:10 (three years ago)
she (the twitter person) got detained not long after :(
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, 11 June 2022 23:19 (three years ago)
Hmmmm
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 11 June 2022 23:31 (three years ago)
UPDATE: Police say 31 people arrested, charged with conspiracy to riot. Chief Lee White says the group appears to be Patriot Front based on patches, clothing and documents found during the search of the uhaul. Police found shields, shin guards and 1 smoke grenade.— Kyle Simchuk (@KyleSimchuk) June 11, 2022
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 12 June 2022 00:29 (three years ago)
Every Pride parade in America just gained a whole new battalion of police security whether they want it or not.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 12 June 2022 00:52 (three years ago)
love that these dimbulbs are being BUSSED IN to start shit. every spooky scary conservative talking point is just accusing the opposition this thing that they’re actually doing/ going to do
― OG Bob Sacamano (will), Sunday, 12 June 2022 01:20 (three years ago)
Well, yeah.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 12 June 2022 01:30 (three years ago)
one of the arrested dudes was wearing a hat w the betsy ross flag on it, dont these mfers have enough symbolism already ffs
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 12 June 2022 01:56 (three years ago)
the goddamn nazis collected symbolism like a velour sofa collects dog hair. it's like cheap hooch for populist-nationalist-authoritarian-besotted movements.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 12 June 2022 02:35 (three years ago)
i know its trite to say but i really hate it
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 12 June 2022 03:30 (three years ago)
I know that part of the country pretty well and the most shocking thing about this to me is that the cops actually arrested the fascists
― joygoat, Sunday, 12 June 2022 04:39 (three years ago)
yeah 100%
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 12 June 2022 05:17 (three years ago)
Although the more I think about it arresting people for threatening a pride parade is much more plausible than if they had been threatening a BLM parade.
― joygoat, Sunday, 12 June 2022 05:34 (three years ago)
love that these dimbulbs are being BUSSED IN to start shit.
This was in Coeur D'Alene, Idaho, which is kind of becoming a mecca for white nationalists (again!), who apparently regarded a pride parade happening there as a "declaration of war"
― made entirely of styrofoam (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 12 June 2022 09:15 (three years ago)
The white nationalists are pretty openly trying to take over Idaho at this point.
― made entirely of styrofoam (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Sunday, 12 June 2022 09:16 (three years ago)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/12/senate-gun-deal-framework/
Will 10 Republicans eventually vote for this baby steps bipartisan "gun" deal --would encourage states to establish “red flag” laws that allow authorities to keep guns away from people found by a judge to represent a potential threat to themselves or others, while federal criminal background checks for gun buyers under 21 would include a mandatory search of juvenile justice records for the first time....Other provisions could funnel billions of new federal dollars into mental health care and school security programs, funding new campus infrastructure and armed officers. Several senators last week said they expected one cornerstone of the deal would be legislation sponsored by Sens. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) and Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.) to establish a nationwide network of “community behavioral health clinics.”
NOT in bill-- ban on assault weapons, high-capacity ammunition magazine restrictions and broad background check expansions, raise the minimum age for the purchase of at least some rifles from 18 to 21.
A House bill that passed includes background check expansions, and raising age but Senate Republicans won't consider this bill
― curmudgeon, Sunday, 12 June 2022 16:48 (three years ago)
― OG Bob Sacamano (will), Sunday, 12 June 2022 16:54 (three years ago)
guns don't kill people, senators kill people xp
― thinkmanship (sleeve), Sunday, 12 June 2022 16:56 (three years ago)
Will 10 Republicans eventually vote for this
I seriously doubt it. By now they are petrified of being labeled as 'anti-gun' and they will run away screaming in terror rather than vote for any restrictions, no matter how trivial.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 12 June 2022 17:04 (three years ago)
I see no reason that they won’t. The senate bill, as I’ve seen summarized, does virtually to curtail gun ownership. It has a voluntary “red flag” grant program that is easy to imagine becoming completely useless, and another tool for systematic racism in some states. It doesn’t do anything to prevent an angry person from going to a store and legally buying enough weapons and ammo to kill hundreds of people. At the same time, a vast majority of people, when many conservatives, want something done. They’ll be able to get 10 votes because this is a way for them to appear to do something while actually doing nothing at all
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Sunday, 12 June 2022 17:38 (three years ago)
Permanently typing on phone, many typos
here is the optimistic view of what's in the bill:
🚨NEWS: We have a deal. Today a bipartisan group of 20 Senators (10 D and 10 R) is announcing a breakthrough agreement on gun violence - the first in 30 years - that will save lives. I think you’ll be surprised at the scope of our framework. 1/ Here’s what it includes:— Chris Murphy (@ChrisMurphyCT) June 12, 2022
haven't seen the full list of 10 republicans, but here are some:
9/ So grateful to @JohnCornyn @kyrstensinema @SenThomTillis @SenToomey @Sen_JoeManchin @SenBlumenthal @SenatorCollins @LindseyGrahamSC @ChrisCoons @TeamHeinrich @BillCassidy and others for their amazing work to get us this far.— Chris Murphy (@ChrisMurphyCT) June 12, 2022
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Sunday, 12 June 2022 17:43 (three years ago)
The list
In addition to the core four negotiators, the legislation is backed by Sens. Susan Collins (R-Maine), Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.), Bill Cassidy (R-La.), Chris Coons (D-Del.), Martin Heinrich (D-N.M.), Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.), Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), Pat Toomey (R-Pa.), Roy Blunt (R-Mo.), Cory Booker (D-N.J.), Richard Burr (R-N.C.), Mark Kelly (D-Ariz.), Angus King (I-Maine), Rob Portman (R-Ohio), Mitt Romney (R-Utah) and Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.). Portman, Toomey, Blunt and Burr are all retiring at the end of the year.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 12 June 2022 17:47 (three years ago)
Funding for mental health clinics is good. It has nothing to do with limiting gun violence, but it is good anyway. Allowing it to be labeled as a gun violence limiting measure plays into the false Republican narrative, which whitewashes their nonsense, but at least it salvages something positive before the sense of crisis abates.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 12 June 2022 17:50 (three years ago)
Funding for mental health clinics is good. It has nothing to do with limiting gun violence, but it is good anyway.
While the available research points to the obvious fact that most gun violence is not committed by those with a mental health diagnosis, programs in conflict resolution, mental health awareness, and community building have had a decent track record in steering people away from violence. Just saying.
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Sunday, 12 June 2022 18:01 (three years ago)
yeah, i didn't realize that uhaul had people from across the country in it. Two of them were from near St. Louis (one of them hails from the patriotic town of FREEBURG)
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Sunday, 12 June 2022 18:01 (three years ago)
Every school gets a SWAT team so that fights between fourth graders can be stopped with flashbangs and rubber bullets.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 12 June 2022 18:08 (three years ago)
11. Provides the Republican's a fig leaf to protect against attacks that they haven't done anything on gun control.
― sleep, that's where I'm the cousin of death (PBKR), Sunday, 12 June 2022 18:10 (three years ago)
10 AM ET, let’s get it crackin’.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 13 June 2022 10:43 (three years ago)
lol Bill Stepien is no longer testifying because his wife just went into labor. Good timing.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 13 June 2022 13:36 (three years ago)
Send some federak marshals over to check her dilation
― made entirely of styrofoam (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Monday, 13 June 2022 14:25 (three years ago)
*federal
Stepien is also the campaign advisor for Liz Cheney's opponent in the Wyoming house election (only one seat). and of course, her opponent is all-in on Stolen Election shit
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Monday, 13 June 2022 15:25 (three years ago)
.@Liz_Cheney: “You will also hear testimony President Trump rejected the advice of his campaign experts on election night, and instead followed the course recommended by an apparently inebriated Rudy Giuliani, to just claim he won.” pic.twitter.com/3mUfxkcBYx— The Republican Accountability Project (@AccountableGOP) June 13, 2022
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 13 June 2022 15:28 (three years ago)
the still image of Bill Stepien is hilarious
― Gymnopédie Pablo (Neanderthal), Monday, 13 June 2022 15:29 (three years ago)
"Just another day."
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 June 2022 15:29 (three years ago)
xpost was just about to post that neanderthal. love that they went with this one, excellent shot
https://i.imgur.com/cZ1eYAk.png
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Monday, 13 June 2022 15:30 (three years ago)
What do you mean, "apparently," Congresswoman?
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 13 June 2022 15:31 (three years ago)
hilarious to listen to kushner try to recount, out loud, what he thought about the stolen election claims. it was very hard for him. very hard.
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Monday, 13 June 2022 15:36 (three years ago)
why is it never mentioned, in the context of the big lie/stolen election stuff, that trump claimed widespread voter fraud in the 2016 election? remember? "3 million votes"? he won by 3 million votes if you really counted...something?
i know it's big and dumb and obvious, but isn't the existence of a very similar lie, 4 years earlier, deployed almost on accident, as if he expected to lose (which he did, by the popular vote, by millions of vote) and planned beforehand to allege election fraud? in 2016? and he did it anyway?
this is all so fucking dumb i can't breathe
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Monday, 13 June 2022 15:46 (three years ago)
could trump have possibly been involved in perpetuating a gigantic lie about election fraud to the american public, to the point of cheering on henchmen to murder mike pence (who really, really deserves to be murdered more than almost anyone)?
geeeeeee i don't know!!!!
*puckers lips out and and drags index finger rapidly up and down across it to make cartoon noises*
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Monday, 13 June 2022 15:48 (three years ago)
Good point Karl
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 13 June 2022 15:53 (three years ago)
I know that this is acting as some sort of cathartic exercise for you, KM, but it might actually be a good idea to *stop* following what's going on in this horse and pony show.
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Monday, 13 June 2022 15:56 (three years ago)
i've actually barely been following the news this year
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Monday, 13 June 2022 16:05 (three years ago)
I had watched/listened to none of this until this morning for a few minutes. I think they're laying out the (very obvious) allegations calmly, rationally, and logically, with none of the grandstanding you sometimes see in these things. Numerous people telling Trump his fraud allegations were bullshit, juxtaposed with audio clips of him ranting on Fox about "DUMPS! THEY CALL THEM DUMPS! MASSIVE... DUMPS! IT'S... A VERY TERRIBLE THING..." in the weeks after the election makes it clear to me how he could convince a bunch of his most brain dead minions to storm the capitol. But I would think that, I guess...
PS: Just having to hear that fucker's voice again made me turn it off.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Monday, 13 June 2022 16:17 (three years ago)
"An apparently inebriated Rudy Giuliani" is the new "30 to 50 feral hogs". https://t.co/PGYJQ5EKCI— Andrew Mueller (@andrew_mueller) June 13, 2022
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 13 June 2022 16:22 (three years ago)
I was thinking about that too Karl - it was so obvious that no matter how badly he lost he was going to call fraud and create some real problems. Sometimes you have to give the way a wide latitude but sometimes he’s the most predictable man on the planet. The entire run up to the election he was blatantly fucking with the mail for no reason other than to manufacture the “red mirage” that literally every election pundit knew was gonna happen! How is there any question to this at all??
― frogbs, Monday, 13 June 2022 16:34 (three years ago)
I think we should borrow from the Brits phrase "tired and emotional" in place of "stinking drunk."
― Antifa Sandwich Artist (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 13 June 2022 16:35 (three years ago)
i remember telling a family member, over a year before the election, that he was going to lose and never, ever shut up about how it was stolen. even then, a year before the election, he was already saying it was going to be stolen. i remember because i think i made a joke here (and elsewhere) that he was telling the truth, it really was going to be stolen, and he was going to try to steal it, the classic trump/conservative projection, etc
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Monday, 13 June 2022 16:45 (three years ago)
the hearings are essential because they put together a picture of what actually happened, all in one place. there's been a lot of reporting on the whole thing, of course, before it happened, the day it happened, and ever since. but so much of what we've learned since 1/6/21 has been related to testimony/evidence collected via this committee's investigation. so it is unquestionably (i think) a good thing for this to happen, to lay out what they know, even if we already know a lot about it.
however, there are 3 separate groups of people involved here. a big one is anyone who paid attention to what happened around that time and isn't a complete liar. a second are the maga people, republicans, conservatives, people who tune out this kind of hearing in order to hear fox instead, on purpose.
the third is all the people who have absolutely no idea what is going on and will never care. this won't get to them, either.
so, yes, all of this is pointless on some level. it's essential on one level that counts and completely meaningless on another which also, brutally, counts
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Monday, 13 June 2022 16:49 (three years ago)
In some ways, it’s the third group that scares me most.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 13 June 2022 17:15 (three years ago)
The neighbor across the alley is a Trump supporter who is rocking a Trump hat right now as he coaches some kid and their parent in baseball. I'm going to guess he is in category two or three. I mean, he has a Ben Carson for pres sticker on his (electric!) car, so he's clearly some sort of kook.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 13 June 2022 17:18 (three years ago)
Agreed, this is important for reasons beyond what's being generated from the typical punditbrain right now: i.e. "how many Republicans will be convinced by this" & "how will this affect midterms", etc. etc. The greatest grift the Republicans have going right now is that they have lowered the bar so much that everyone expects them to be lying scumbags. Biden is by no means a great president, but had Trump accomplished half of what he did he'd be trumpeted by the media as the best president since Lincoln. The guy got entire days worth of positive press because he got through a fucking SOTU speech on teleprompter. Their party contains some of the dumbest, most nakedly corrupt politicians alive, along with actual pedophiles and criminals. And they get away with it because as far as both the media & public opinion is concerned, this is Just How Things Are. Of course Republicans are gonna back massively unpopular shit like criminalizing abortion and letting your PE teacher molest 14 year old girls who are "too good at sports". Of course Democrats are gonna be taken to task when gas prices are high, even though literally every Republican voted No on a bill that would bring prices down. Of course the GOP is going to campaign on the benefits of the bills they voted against. Everyone expects that of them. And that is how they've gotten to this position where they are still a very dominant and dangerous force in American politicians despite the fact that everything they do is a predictable trainwreck. You have to do shit like this 1/6 commission. If you give up because it's not gonna move the needle then it opens the door for even more horrible shit to come!
― frogbs, Monday, 13 June 2022 17:24 (three years ago)
Not sure if this is the right thread for it
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2022/jun/12/sheriffs-office-releases-names-of-31-patriot-front/?fbclid=IwAR0TiauC1t7Nm0bQLXEM02GC3SAK78TKMr5Me5kWgABNTW4wN3P6ecOfjNw
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 13 June 2022 19:36 (three years ago)
Fully half those mugshots indicate some level of fetal alcohol syndrome
― Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 13 June 2022 19:43 (three years ago)
meanwhile, here in the ultra-tolerant Bay Area:
Hate crime investigation underway after alleged Proud Boys storm Drag Queen Story Hour at Bay Area library
https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Proud-boys-storm-Bay-Area-Drag-Queen-story-hour-17236693.php
― Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 13 June 2022 19:56 (three years ago)
so this one seems directly attributable to the Libs of Tiktok account
― frogbs, Monday, 13 June 2022 19:58 (three years ago)
The Proudly Latent Boys
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 13 June 2022 19:58 (three years ago)
Seriously, every one of these cunts needs to have their balls stomped, and hard.
― politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Monday, 13 June 2022 20:38 (three years ago)
"The big lie was also a big rip-off"
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 13 June 2022 21:44 (three years ago)
Of all the facts highlighted in today's hearing, the fact that Trump raised $250M for a "official legal defense fund" that didn't even exist should be the headline story, because lying about money gets people's attention in ways that lying about the election doesn't.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 13 June 2022 21:55 (three years ago)
yeah but he's a super successful businessman, that's why we voted for him... when it comes to money, he knows best
― Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 13 June 2022 21:56 (three years ago)
remember, his 'free' offer during Thursday's hearing was only accessible via a $50 donation, so everything is relative
― Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 13 June 2022 21:58 (three years ago)
Always Money In The Covfefe!
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 13 June 2022 22:00 (three years ago)
oh well, we should probably all just start drinking to forget our hopeless predicament. The Man's too big. The Man's too strong.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 13 June 2022 22:02 (three years ago)
The thing about that $250 million is if whether there's not some weird buried legal language basically saying "We can do whatever we want with this and you agree to that by sending it to us." What I'm wondering more is what was exactly done with the money beyond the snippets given.
― Ned Raggett, Monday, 13 June 2022 22:08 (three years ago)
Toilet paper, in bulk, stored in a Ft. Knox-like vault. You roll your eyes now ...
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 13 June 2022 22:20 (three years ago)
Interest payments on his loans from the Russian mob.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 13 June 2022 22:22 (three years ago)
Rudy Giuliani looks loony in every clip here
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 13 June 2022 22:23 (three years ago)
they think at least some of the money went to Trump hotels
Like maybe those coin-operated mattress massagers
― Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 13 June 2022 22:32 (three years ago)
The Magic Fingers! Those were a highlight of childhood travels.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Monday, 13 June 2022 22:33 (three years ago)
Trump's Tiny Magic Fingers
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 13 June 2022 22:37 (three years ago)
Nearing the end, the Al Schmidt section. The committee would do well to dedicate more time to the threats directed at people in the path of this insanity.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 13 June 2022 23:25 (three years ago)
Pretty rad how many of these witnesses are Republicans
― Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 13 June 2022 23:30 (three years ago)
All of them, isn't it?
― politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Tuesday, 14 June 2022 09:56 (three years ago)
Well I'm convinced.
I am disgusted and outraged at the out right lie by Jason Miller and Bill Steppien. I was upset that they were not prepared for the massive cheating (as well as other lawyers around the President) I REFUSED all alcohol that evening. My favorite drink..Diet Pepsi— Rudy W. Giuliani (@RudyGiuliani) June 14, 2022
The follow-up might be even better
Is the false testimony from Miller and Steppien because I yelled at them? Are they being paid to lie?— Rudy W. Giuliani (@RudyGiuliani) June 14, 2022
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 June 2022 14:47 (three years ago)
Well, are they?!?
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 June 2022 14:48 (three years ago)
I'll have to ask, they're all noticeably shy and retiring.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 June 2022 14:53 (three years ago)
Meantime I'd strongly recommend reading this.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/14/inside-explosive-oval-office-confrontation-three-days-before-jan-6/
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 14 June 2022 15:03 (three years ago)
About a third of the way through the 2022 primaries, voters have nominated scores of Republican candidates for state and federal office who say the 2020 election was rigged, according to a new analysis by The Washington Post.District by district, state by state, voters in places that cast ballots through the end of May have chosen at least 108 candidates for statewide office or Congress who have repeated Trump’s lies. The number jumps to at least 149 winning candidates — out of more than 170 races — when it includes those who have campaigned on a platform of tightening voting rules or more stringently enforcing those already on the books, despite the lack of evidence of widespread fraud.
District by district, state by state, voters in places that cast ballots through the end of May have chosen at least 108 candidates for statewide office or Congress who have repeated Trump’s lies. The number jumps to at least 149 winning candidates — out of more than 170 races — when it includes those who have campaigned on a platform of tightening voting rules or more stringently enforcing those already on the books, despite the lack of evidence of widespread fraud.
well, here we go, this year. there's an optimistic version of how this plays out that, fittingly for democratic leadership, resembles something that happened about 70 years ago. maybe these hearings go relatively well, and suddenly all the republicans across the country are shamed that they not only supported white nationalism in the past but that they are still supporting it, and many of 108-149 proud fascists running for office are defeated in November. it could be the 21st century version of "at long last, have you left no decency?" (only, perhaps, we would omit "at long last" and also the word "left", as the history channel's website does). we will all say, "well, we stepped right up to the brink, but you know that Americans, when it really comes down to it, we really stand up for what's right in the end, when it counts!"
either that or it will be as effective as saying that an orc has gross mud stain all over its butt
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 14 June 2022 16:02 (three years ago)
'HAVE YOU NO SENSE OF DECENCY, SIR, AT LONG LAST, HAVE YOU LEFT NO SENSE OF DECENCY' is the quote. i messed it up too. Welch should have been more pithy
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 14 June 2022 16:05 (three years ago)
HAVE YOU NO SENSE OF REALITY more like
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 14 June 2022 16:42 (three years ago)
Sobriety
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 14 June 2022 17:01 (three years ago)
Instructive.
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/14/how-trump-radicalized-tom-rice-00039287
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 14 June 2022 17:32 (three years ago)
Lol Giuliani deleted both tweets
― Gymnopédie Pablo (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 14 June 2022 17:38 (three years ago)
Rudy is Renfield to Trump's Dracula.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 14 June 2022 18:43 (three years ago)
I think this op-ed from the LA Times does an excellent job of spelling out some of the thornier consequences of overturning Roe v Wade:
Leave abortion law to the states? Just look at the Fugitive Slave Act to see how that will goRonald J. GranieriWhy not leave abortion to the states?One of the most common arguments made by those who want to downplay the significance of Supreme Court Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr.’s leaked draft opinion in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health is that it would not make abortion illegal. Rather, it would merely return the abortion debate to the legislative sphere, where it belongs. Individual states would pass their own abortion laws, as restrictive or nonrestrictive as their electorate wants them to be.There is a certain soothing quality to that argument. But issues of individual rights bearing such heavy moral weight cannot be contained within state boundaries. “Let’s leave it up to the states” will quickly become “we expect other states to comply with our laws and will demand federal action to guarantee it” — and one only needs to look at the Fugitive Slave Act to highlight the very real constitutional challenge before us.Slavery remains a moral stain on the history of the republic. It demonstrated the weaknesses of American federalism when faced with fundamental issues of human rights. Even as individual states chose different paths on slavery, the question of how to manage relations between slave and free states, and what to do about people who traveled across state lines, became a persistent problem. The Fugitive Slave Act, a revision of a 1793 statute enacted as part of the Compromise of 1850, aimed to offer a legal solution. It allowed California to enter the Union as a free state, but required all states, even those that did not allow slavery within their boundaries, to cooperate with the forcible return of escaped enslaved people.Moral and legal complexities multiplied. There was the internal warfare of “bleeding Kansas” where pro- and anti-slavery militias fought for control of the territory, and the barbarity of the Dred Scott decision, which denied enslaved people human rights even if they lived in free states. Allowing slavery anywhere required protecting it everywhere. Subsequent compromises that favored popular sovereignty, allowing local majorities to endorse or reject slavery, never satisfied pro-slavery factions if they lost out, and anti-slavery states proved reluctant to help slave catchers.Federalism did more to exacerbate regional divisions on slavery than solve them. This is the context for Abraham Lincoln’s proclamation that the nation could not continue “half slave and half free.” Indeed, when South Carolina announced its decision to secede in December 1860, its grievances included the charge that the federal government had not done enough to ensure that all states enforced the Fugitive Slave Act. Denouncing “an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the Institution of Slavery,” which “led to a disregard of their obligations,” South Carolinians claimed the northern states had essentially canceled the Constitution. By this logic, there could be no guarantee of any state’s rights unless other states respected and supported them. Enforcement of state laws could not end at the state line.State legislation of abortion could easily create similar paradoxes, especially considering the mobility of people, ideas and goods in our globally linked world. Citizens in a state that bans abortion could travel to other states for the procedure, if they have the means. Gov. Gavin Newsom has made it clear that California will welcome out-of-state patients and Connecticut has already passed a new law protecting medical providers who treat patients from other states. Some large employers, such as Tesla, have recently signaled their willingness to support employees who need to travel to another state for medical care.Yet the drafters of Mississippi’s abortion law did not go to all this trouble to overturn Roe v. Wade just see it persist elsewhere. Texas’ anti-abortion law already criminalizes aid to women who want an abortion — does that include those who provide travel assistance to a more permissive state? What if a resident of a state that allows abortion has a medical emergency while visiting a restrictive state and cannot travel home?Florida’s recent struggle with Walt Disney Co. after its leadership spoke out against the so-called “Don’t say gay” bill indicates how states might deal with businesses that challenge their abortion legislation. Furthermore, in an era when medication abortions already make up more than half of the U.S. total, what happens when a state forbids its citizens from ordering such drugs by mail or seeking consultations by telemedicine with a practitioner in a permissive state?The paradox of states eventually demanding federal recognition and support for their particular laws applies to more than just abortion. In the 20th century, locale-by-locale alcohol prohibition led to a constitutional amendment (and then to its repeal); marijuana laws and gun rights raise similar problems today. States struggle to manage different local laws on issues with which people deeply disagree, as do citizens, especially if they regularly travel from one jurisdiction to another.Federalism, which allows individual states to become laboratories of democracy by experimenting with different approaches to public problems, is one of the great strengths of our constitutional order. But the republic has to guarantee some baseline rights shared by all citizens, which imposes limitations on how widely states can diverge.There are few options for resolving conflicts among state laws. The Constitution can be amended, which takes time and requires a great deal of consensus. Or Congress can pass national legislation. If neither happens the issue lands at the Supreme Court.That was the reality that led to Roe in the first place, and it has not changed. Tossing the issue back to the states, as the Alito draft proposes, will not bring the country any closer to a resolution on abortion rights — it will just open up 50 new fronts in the fight. The formal decision on Dobbs will not be the last federal word on abortion. This isn’t the end of the controversy; we’re barely at the start.Ronald J. Granieri is a history professor at the U.S. Army War College and a fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute.
Why not leave abortion to the states?
One of the most common arguments made by those who want to downplay the significance of Supreme Court Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr.’s leaked draft opinion in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health is that it would not make abortion illegal. Rather, it would merely return the abortion debate to the legislative sphere, where it belongs. Individual states would pass their own abortion laws, as restrictive or nonrestrictive as their electorate wants them to be.
There is a certain soothing quality to that argument. But issues of individual rights bearing such heavy moral weight cannot be contained within state boundaries. “Let’s leave it up to the states” will quickly become “we expect other states to comply with our laws and will demand federal action to guarantee it” — and one only needs to look at the Fugitive Slave Act to highlight the very real constitutional challenge before us.
Slavery remains a moral stain on the history of the republic. It demonstrated the weaknesses of American federalism when faced with fundamental issues of human rights. Even as individual states chose different paths on slavery, the question of how to manage relations between slave and free states, and what to do about people who traveled across state lines, became a persistent problem. The Fugitive Slave Act, a revision of a 1793 statute enacted as part of the Compromise of 1850, aimed to offer a legal solution. It allowed California to enter the Union as a free state, but required all states, even those that did not allow slavery within their boundaries, to cooperate with the forcible return of escaped enslaved people.
Moral and legal complexities multiplied. There was the internal warfare of “bleeding Kansas” where pro- and anti-slavery militias fought for control of the territory, and the barbarity of the Dred Scott decision, which denied enslaved people human rights even if they lived in free states. Allowing slavery anywhere required protecting it everywhere. Subsequent compromises that favored popular sovereignty, allowing local majorities to endorse or reject slavery, never satisfied pro-slavery factions if they lost out, and anti-slavery states proved reluctant to help slave catchers.
Federalism did more to exacerbate regional divisions on slavery than solve them. This is the context for Abraham Lincoln’s proclamation that the nation could not continue “half slave and half free.” Indeed, when South Carolina announced its decision to secede in December 1860, its grievances included the charge that the federal government had not done enough to ensure that all states enforced the Fugitive Slave Act. Denouncing “an increasing hostility on the part of the non-slaveholding States to the Institution of Slavery,” which “led to a disregard of their obligations,” South Carolinians claimed the northern states had essentially canceled the Constitution. By this logic, there could be no guarantee of any state’s rights unless other states respected and supported them. Enforcement of state laws could not end at the state line.
State legislation of abortion could easily create similar paradoxes, especially considering the mobility of people, ideas and goods in our globally linked world. Citizens in a state that bans abortion could travel to other states for the procedure, if they have the means. Gov. Gavin Newsom has made it clear that California will welcome out-of-state patients and Connecticut has already passed a new law protecting medical providers who treat patients from other states. Some large employers, such as Tesla, have recently signaled their willingness to support employees who need to travel to another state for medical care.
Yet the drafters of Mississippi’s abortion law did not go to all this trouble to overturn Roe v. Wade just see it persist elsewhere. Texas’ anti-abortion law already criminalizes aid to women who want an abortion — does that include those who provide travel assistance to a more permissive state? What if a resident of a state that allows abortion has a medical emergency while visiting a restrictive state and cannot travel home?
Florida’s recent struggle with Walt Disney Co. after its leadership spoke out against the so-called “Don’t say gay” bill indicates how states might deal with businesses that challenge their abortion legislation. Furthermore, in an era when medication abortions already make up more than half of the U.S. total, what happens when a state forbids its citizens from ordering such drugs by mail or seeking consultations by telemedicine with a practitioner in a permissive state?
The paradox of states eventually demanding federal recognition and support for their particular laws applies to more than just abortion. In the 20th century, locale-by-locale alcohol prohibition led to a constitutional amendment (and then to its repeal); marijuana laws and gun rights raise similar problems today. States struggle to manage different local laws on issues with which people deeply disagree, as do citizens, especially if they regularly travel from one jurisdiction to another.
Federalism, which allows individual states to become laboratories of democracy by experimenting with different approaches to public problems, is one of the great strengths of our constitutional order. But the republic has to guarantee some baseline rights shared by all citizens, which imposes limitations on how widely states can diverge.
There are few options for resolving conflicts among state laws. The Constitution can be amended, which takes time and requires a great deal of consensus. Or Congress can pass national legislation. If neither happens the issue lands at the Supreme Court.
That was the reality that led to Roe in the first place, and it has not changed. Tossing the issue back to the states, as the Alito draft proposes, will not bring the country any closer to a resolution on abortion rights — it will just open up 50 new fronts in the fight. The formal decision on Dobbs will not be the last federal word on abortion. This isn’t the end of the controversy; we’re barely at the start.
Ronald J. Granieri is a history professor at the U.S. Army War College and a fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 14 June 2022 19:03 (three years ago)
yeah p much anybody that thinks 'leaving it to the states' is ok is a fuckin dum-dum.
― Gymnopédie Pablo (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 14 June 2022 19:11 (three years ago)
Most people need to be taken by the hand and gently escorted to this kind of thinking because, if they've ever ever heard of the Fugitive Slave Act or Dred Scott Decision, they've forgotten what they were.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 14 June 2022 19:47 (three years ago)
Yep, we're headed for 50 separate but interlocking fights at the state level, plus a nonstop fight at the federal level. The anti-abortion people will stay active even in places like New York and California, in the same way they've stayed active for the past 40 years of ups and downs in a country where abortion was legal. And in red states that have already or will quickly outlaw abortion, there will be a neverending spiral of tighter and tighter restrictions like those already floated this year in Louisiana and Missouri. Plus of course it will be a rallying cry for both parties at the national level, trying to pass national legislation. It was always a fantasy that overturning Roe would settle anything, but I'm not sure anyone is really prepared for the nonstop hand-to-hand combat this is going to become. (For the rest of the lifetimes of everyone on this board, probably, if not longer.)
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 14 June 2022 21:24 (three years ago)
It's definitely set up a weird situation with interstate prosecutions.. if I go play blackjack in Las Vegas, they can't bust me for gambling when I get back to Little Rock; not yet, at least
But maybe someone in Arkansas can sue me for gambling?
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 14 June 2022 21:45 (three years ago)
I am suing you right now from Missouri for gambling, you need to get your life under control
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 14 June 2022 21:52 (three years ago)
many other lawsuits forthcoming on a variety of topics and to many different people. as i understand from following american politics, what i'm supposed to do is throw a bunch of shit on the wall and see what sticks. at least something will, unless my plan just doesn't make any sense at all, and what are the odds of that? (don't answer that Andy, that's a trick question for the lawsuit)
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 14 June 2022 21:53 (three years ago)
Sometimes I think a fun question for committed culture war MAGAs would be: How many abortions do you think Trump has personally paid for? Between the ex-wives he traded in right before the buzzer, his multiple mistresses, sex-workers etc., it’s got be a lot, right? Then you figure Ivanka’s pre-Jared years must have been an absolute parade of dicks. No judgment, girl. Get your swerve on. And then you *know* those two imbecilic sons did some serial date r*ping in their day. Can’t have evidence of that just out there walking around. Surely Melania’s had her share of boyfriends and the concomitant slips and spills.
I figure it’s gotta be about 4 dozen. 4 dozen abortions that he’s personally financed. Hell let’s call it an even 50. I wonder if he has an earmarked account, just to pay for all the abortions.
― OG Bob Sacamano (will), Tuesday, 14 June 2022 21:55 (three years ago)
he got the Planned Parenthood calendar, mug, AND tote bag.. frequent flyer card
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 14 June 2022 21:57 (three years ago)
they could literally show the receipts on live TV and it would not move the needle one inch. they're allowed to, you aren't. that's the game!
― frogbs, Tuesday, 14 June 2022 21:58 (three years ago)
let's not relitigate the past
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 14 June 2022 22:02 (three years ago)
I wonder if he has an earmarked account, just to pay for all the abortions.
Through the foundation. Only a chump pays for his own abortions.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 14 June 2022 22:20 (three years ago)
“Hey MAGAland, we need $50 from all of The Donald’s biggest supporters to Stop CRT, Restore America, and offset some of these abortions.”
― OG Bob Sacamano (will), Tuesday, 14 June 2022 22:27 (three years ago)
"Cohen, you got this? I, uh, forgot my checkbook."
"Yes, sir."
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 14 June 2022 22:27 (three years ago)
New: Jan. 6 committee teases next hearing with Trump White House lawyer Eric Herschmann telling John Eastman after Jan. 6: “I’m going to give you the best free legal advice you’re ever getting in your life: get a great fucking criminal defense lawyer.”— Hugo Lowell (@hugolowell) June 14, 2022
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 14 June 2022 22:55 (three years ago)
This oughta be fun:
South Florida synagogue sues over Florida’s new 15-week abortion ban
A South Florida Jewish congregation has challenged a new state law that blocks abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy, contending the measure violates privacy and religious-freedom rights. The lawsuit, filed Friday in Leon County circuit court by Congregation L’Dor Va-Dor, seeks to block the law from taking effect July 1. Abortion clinics also filed a lawsuit this month in Leon County challenging the constitutionality of the restriction. Both cases include allegations that the law, signed by Gov. Ron DeSantis in April, violates a privacy right in the Florida Constitution that has long played a pivotal role in abortion cases in the state.But the lawsuit filed Friday by the Boynton Beach congregation also contends that the law violates religious-freedom rights. “For Jews, all life is precious and thus the decision to bring new life into the world is not taken lightly or determined by state fiat,” the lawsuit said. “In Jewish law, abortion is required if necessary to protect the health, mental or physical well-being of the woman, or for many other reasons not permitted under the act [the new law]. As such, the act prohibits Jewish women from practicing their faith free of government intrusion and thus violates their privacy rights and religious freedom.”
The lawsuit, filed Friday in Leon County circuit court by Congregation L’Dor Va-Dor, seeks to block the law from taking effect July 1. Abortion clinics also filed a lawsuit this month in Leon County challenging the constitutionality of the restriction.
Both cases include allegations that the law, signed by Gov. Ron DeSantis in April, violates a privacy right in the Florida Constitution that has long played a pivotal role in abortion cases in the state.
But the lawsuit filed Friday by the Boynton Beach congregation also contends that the law violates religious-freedom rights.
“For Jews, all life is precious and thus the decision to bring new life into the world is not taken lightly or determined by state fiat,” the lawsuit said. “In Jewish law, abortion is required if necessary to protect the health, mental or physical well-being of the woman, or for many other reasons not permitted under the act [the new law]. As such, the act prohibits Jewish women from practicing their faith free of government intrusion and thus violates their privacy rights and religious freedom.”
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 14 June 2022 23:19 (three years ago)
So the same group that targeted Madison Cawthorn is out with a press release saying Lauren Boebert worked as an escort, had two abortions, and met Ted Cruz through one of her escort clients. (Cruz supposedly the one who encouraged her to run for office.)
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 01:19 (three years ago)
Kinda hate the idea of her being bounced because of either escort work or abortions. There are plenty of perfectly good reasons to vote her out.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 01:21 (three years ago)
All I can manage is “wow,” but also, “wow” is all I’ve been saying for the past 6-7 years. With various inflections.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 01:23 (three years ago)
Really fearful we're getting Cruz dick pics very soon.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 01:28 (three years ago)
Every picture of Ted Cruz is a dick pic.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 01:50 (three years ago)
feel like Jacob Wohl would've been so much more successful as a Dem operative - even if you were just making shit up your "investigative journalism" would probably turn up a bunch of shit anyway
― frogbs, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 02:16 (three years ago)
Kinda hate the idea of her being bounced because of either escort work or abortions.
All is fair in love or culture war.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 02:46 (three years ago)
The timeline on this Boebert stuff seems a bit suspect: she was already pretty publicly involved in local politics in late '19, when it's claimed she was (still?) escorting and introduced to Cruz.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 02:48 (three years ago)
Why is that suspicious?
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 02:50 (three years ago)
And--money woes aside--wasn't she already a bit of a local celebrity for having a gun restaurant?
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 02:50 (three years ago)
XP It just seems really weird that she was known in the community AND using her real name on an escort site.
I mean, she's no rocket scientist, but...
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 02:52 (three years ago)
This is one of the oldest and most effective tricks in politics. Every hack in the business has used it in times of trouble, and it has even been elevated to the level of political mythology in a story about one of Lyndon Johnson’s early campaigns in Texas. The race was close and Johnson was getting worried. Finally he told his campaign manager to start a massive rumor campaign about his opponent’s life-long habit of enjoying carnal knowledge of his own barnyard sows.
“Christ, we can’t get a way with calling him a pig-fucker,” the campaign manager protested. “Nobody’s going to believe a thing like that.”
“I know,” Johnson replied. “But let’s make the sonofabitch deny it.” — Hunter Thompson, Fear & Loathing On The Campaign Trail '72
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 02:55 (three years ago)
Don't put it past people with ... less than rocket scientist credentials to act the part. Isn't she a high school drop out, like Cawthorn was? Plus, Beetbort, she's been arrested a few times, right? And so has her husband (for exposing himself to minors?)? Her shittiness precedes this admittedly suspect claim, but at the same time, look at her cohort and their (track) records. Gaetz, Cawthorn, Jordan ... a bunch of sleazebag goons.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 03:14 (three years ago)
Definitely not being reported anywhere reputable, but it's awfully specific. Isn't the group behind it mostly Republicans?
Anyway even the uncontested stuff about Boebert is already high drama reality TV material.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 03:55 (three years ago)
Plenty of high school dropouts are plenty intelligent, fwiw, so not sure what that has to do with anything
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 10:48 (three years ago)
Sure, there are intelligent people who couldn’t fit in with the rigors of school who dropped out, and then educated themselves via reading, museums, galleries etc. Boebert is not that person.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 12:42 (three years ago)
This attack is definitely aimed at Republicans. We already have enough reason to hate Boebert. I have to think someone wants to purge the embarrassments from the party before they take control of Congress again.
― rare lipstick or mohawks that somehow make them more valuable (President Keyes), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 13:18 (three years ago)
But deploying that fact as evidence of anyone’s lack of intelligence is ridiculous, is what Im trying to say, especially in the case of a fascist sociopath like Boebert.
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 13:21 (three years ago)
Don't waste tears on someone who'd point and laugh at your corpse lying in the street.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 13:53 (three years ago)
Yeah, sorry, I'm not going to waste an ounce of sympathy on her.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 13:56 (three years ago)
Police in Idaho said they’ve received death threats after arresting dozens of suspected members of a white supremacist group right before they allegedly planned to riot at an LGBTQ Pride event Saturday.Coeur d’Alene police received about 150 calls in the two days after making the arrests, Chief Lee White told reporters Monday at a news conference. In about half of them, callers identified themselves and praised the police department for stopping the 31 men, who are accused of having ties to Patriot Front, which the Anti-Defamation League identifies as a hate group.“And the other 50 percent — who are completely anonymous and want nothing more than to scream and yell at us and use some really choice words — offered death threats against myself and other members of the police department merely for doing our jobs,” White said, adding that they’ve gotten calls from as far away as Norway.
Coeur d’Alene police received about 150 calls in the two days after making the arrests, Chief Lee White told reporters Monday at a news conference. In about half of them, callers identified themselves and praised the police department for stopping the 31 men, who are accused of having ties to Patriot Front, which the Anti-Defamation League identifies as a hate group.
“And the other 50 percent — who are completely anonymous and want nothing more than to scream and yell at us and use some really choice words — offered death threats against myself and other members of the police department merely for doing our jobs,” White said, adding that they’ve gotten calls from as far away as Norway.
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 15:51 (three years ago)
it's interesting that the police, at least in Idaho, are now being treated as malleable politicians -- people call in, registering their approval or disapproval
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 15:52 (three years ago)
Aren't death threats a crime? Assuming caller ID and calls being recorded, put out warrants for those morons.
― the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 16:19 (three years ago)
adding that they’ve gotten calls from as far away as Norway
*sigh*
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 16:25 (three years ago)
the real news is that Coeur d’Alene had a pride event
― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 16:28 (three years ago)
Varg vikernes has a lot of free time
― Antifa Sandwich Artist (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 16:32 (three years ago)
^^^ Was going to make the same joke about Anders Breivik.
― nickn, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 17:32 (three years ago)
“What up”
https://january6th.house.gov/sites/democrats.january6th.house.gov/files/2022-6-15.BGT%20Letter%20to%20Representative%20Loudermilk%20linked%5b10%5d%5b6%5d.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3uGieJmfzYLP_UuQ2KB16G4hPojVc299op2pIr-qAZiEksKIu2bZopBoc
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 17:38 (three years ago)
https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/election-denier-becomes-gop-nominee-for-nevadas-top-election-official
Nevada Republicans’ nominee to be the state’s next top election officials thinks Donald Trump won the 2020 election and says he would not have certified Joe Biden’s victory in the state, even though the Democrat won with more than a 2% margin.The GOP secretary of state nominee, Jim Marchant, a former state assembly member, lost by an even worse margin in his 2020 bid for the U.S. House of Representatives — nearly 5% — but nonetheless sued to overturn the results, and still claims to be a “victim of election fraud.”The candidate — who told an audience in February that “Your vote hasn’t counted for decades” — called his primary win a “historic night on the road for election integrity.”Marchant was on hand for the signing of a slate of fake Trump electors in 2020, and later told The Guardian that he would support another slate of presidential electors contrary to the actual presidential election results in 2024: “That is very possible, yes,” Marchant said.
The GOP secretary of state nominee, Jim Marchant, a former state assembly member, lost by an even worse margin in his 2020 bid for the U.S. House of Representatives — nearly 5% — but nonetheless sued to overturn the results, and still claims to be a “victim of election fraud.”
The candidate — who told an audience in February that “Your vote hasn’t counted for decades” — called his primary win a “historic night on the road for election integrity.”
Marchant was on hand for the signing of a slate of fake Trump electors in 2020, and later told The Guardian that he would support another slate of presidential electors contrary to the actual presidential election results in 2024: “That is very possible, yes,” Marchant said.
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 17:42 (three years ago)
Oh yeah, I meant no sympathy for her at all. I just don’t like abortion or sex work being treated as disqualifying for office, on principle.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 17:52 (three years ago)
Sex workers can run for office like anyone else. It's failing to win enough votes that is disqualifying. The fact you would consider voting for a sex worker who met your other qualifications for support shows those old prejudices are fading in strength. In the meantime, prejudiced voters are gonna vote their prejudices and elections will swing on those votes.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 18:00 (three years ago)
Aimless, you know very well what tipsy meant, there’s no reason to have written what you just did
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 18:33 (three years ago)
So the same group that targeted Madison Cawthorn is out with a press release saying Lauren Boebert worked as an escort, had two abortions, and met Ted Cruz through one of her escort clients.
I mean I don't have any special insight but something about the Boebert thing feels like an op to get a bunch of excited Democrat-voting social media pointing at a shiny object that turns out to be nothing
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 18:34 (three years ago)
Ya.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 18:34 (three years ago)
There’s a Will Sommer article suggesting it’s fake, people in pictures are misidentified.
― JoeStork, Wednesday, 15 June 2022 18:40 (three years ago)
i agree with joan crawford re. boebert
― treeship., Wednesday, 15 June 2022 18:46 (three years ago)
i also don't really care if boebert was an escort and cruz paid for her services. that would be the least objectionable thing about both of them.
i also don't really care if
Then you're not the target audience, now are you?
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 18:50 (three years ago)
Fwiw it sounds like the photos are probably actually her, but were ones she sent in to some modeling search agency and nothing to do with being an escort.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 19:55 (three years ago)
it’s been a while but I feel like there was something going around about a bunch of these conservative grifter spokesmodels (Tomi Lahren, Candace Owens, Boebert, etc) being listed on some talent scout site they have to pay for
― OG Bob Sacamano (will), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 20:03 (three years ago)
Fwiw: https://www.thedailybeast.com/liberals-rush-to-spread-bogus-lauren-boebert-escort-and-abortion-rumors
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 20:28 (three years ago)
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 20:29 (three years ago)
Lol sorry, phone glitch.
liberals suck
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 20:30 (three years ago)
The allegations against Boebert were echoed by other prominent online liberal Twitter pundits, including some current and former Democratic politicians, such as former House candidate Brianna Wu, Bernie Sanders ally and former House candidate Nina Turner, and current Kentucky Senate hopeful Charles Booker.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 20:36 (three years ago)
Asses: Shown
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 15 June 2022 20:38 (three years ago)
GOP has been serious muck raking for decades, so I feel no problem with them getting the feel of the pig pen.
https://ww2.kqed.org/app/uploads/sites/10/2019/04/gary-hart-national-enquirer-hugh-jackman-4-e1555716700549.jpg
― The Artist formerly known as Earlnash, Thursday, 16 June 2022 00:36 (three years ago)
"Well what does it say about Boebert that I thought it could be true?!"
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 16 June 2022 00:49 (three years ago)
Penguin lust!
https://www.gasolinealleyantiques.com/cartoon/images/opus/bk-ticklish.JPG
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 June 2022 01:01 (three years ago)
🤣
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 16 June 2022 01:02 (three years ago)
URGES, STRAIGHT FROM HELL …
still have my copy of Tales!
― OG Bob Sacamano (will), Thursday, 16 June 2022 01:03 (three years ago)
It looks like the Pigeon Forge one does still have North and South: "Dolly Parton’s Stampede is filled with friendly North and South competition, thrilling horse riding stunts, spectacular special effects, phenomenal musical productions plus a mouth-watering four-course feast complete with a delicious dessert!"
I thought they'd gotten rid of that when they renamed it. Maybe they just toned down the blue and gray stuff, I don't know.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 16 June 2022 01:46 (three years ago)
(I've been to Dollywood plenty of times, but not to the Stampede.)
So Herschel Walker, who acts like he lost a fight with a wall, keeps adding secret children, huh? Family values.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 June 2022 15:43 (three years ago)
https://gizmodo.com/montana-governor-greg-gianforte-floods-yellowstone-floo-1849069035
Montana Gov. Greg Gianforte, a man best known nationally for once body-slamming a reporter, has been missing for the past few days as the state experiences devastating and historic flooding. The governor’s office refuses to say where Gianforte currently is, only stating that he left the country sometime last week, according to the Montana Free Press.
― rare lipstick or mohawks that somehow make them more valuable (President Keyes), Thursday, 16 June 2022 15:52 (three years ago)
maybe he got washed away. fingers crossed!
― in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Thursday, 16 June 2022 15:53 (three years ago)
Appalachian trail redux?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 June 2022 16:00 (three years ago)
seems more like Cancun redux
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 16 June 2022 16:00 (three years ago)
Ted Cruz's GOP Cancun Timeshare.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 16 June 2022 16:20 (three years ago)
1 vote for hiking in the Appalachians.
― Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 16 June 2022 16:50 (three years ago)
Oh I see Josh got there before me, sorry.
I want to be clear that I support the Appalachian trail scenario, too. There are all sorts of ways this guy could be running away
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 16 June 2022 16:55 (three years ago)
maybe he's having an embarrassing 'procedure' at a clinic in Grenada
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 16 June 2022 17:17 (three years ago)
listening to the hearings right now, and even for all I have followed this I'm kind of shocked at how explicit the attempted coup was.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 June 2022 18:41 (three years ago)
I seriously can't believe all these people involved are still out on the streets, not least Trump. it's truly incredible.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 June 2022 19:03 (three years ago)
yeah, they're doing a pretty good job of laying it all out, clear as day
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 16 June 2022 19:06 (three years ago)
Apparently all of Trump's personal attorneys are both unethical and insane, much like their employer.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 16 June 2022 19:21 (three years ago)
Incidentally, Pence comes off both courageous and cowardly, the former for certifying the vote while his boss was trying to get him killed, but a coward for being so mealy mouthed about this whole ordeal, up to and including the fact that he is not testifying in public, where he might have actually rehabilitated himself while perhaps closing the door on these truly frightening lunatics returning to power.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 June 2022 19:26 (three years ago)
To start with, if Eastman does not go to jail then all is lost.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 June 2022 19:29 (three years ago)
That judge's very methodical closing statement was downright chilling.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 June 2022 19:47 (three years ago)
yea I mean this is so well constructed it feels like if there's no accountability for any of this then America is just not a functioning country anymore
― frogbs, Thursday, 16 June 2022 20:00 (three years ago)
I just wish I had any level of confidence that this isn't going to end in a, "but in the interest of healing the divide in our nation, we won't be charging anyone blah blah" bullshit.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 16 June 2022 20:08 (three years ago)
Ha all the newsers saying “now the GOP position reversal after about Jan 15 is INDEFENSIBLE!”sisters, brothers puhleeze. bubbas and bowheads are nowabouts gonna get asking everyone “hold my beer.”
― Warning: Choking Hazard (Hunt3r), Thursday, 16 June 2022 20:29 (three years ago)
Finally watching
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 16 June 2022 21:05 (three years ago)
Nixon got his pardon, but all the other Watergate criminals spent time in prison. The nation survived.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 16 June 2022 21:16 (three years ago)
Man, this judge.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 16 June 2022 21:32 (three years ago)
He felt every word and wanted us to.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 16 June 2022 21:34 (three years ago)
And a Poppy appointee
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 June 2022 22:13 (three years ago)
The money does not care, they have been overthrowing governments all around the world for decades. This crap has been building since Reagan, corporations just want to make money and they don't care who is in charge as long as they lower their taxes and let them do what they want to do. The entire American legal system is just de-evolving into a giant mess. Why believe in the US dollar at this point?
In the end, I think it would have been better if Trumps coup would have gotten further and bloodier, as that shit would have been hammered down and then some real change might have happened. Right now, it is still oh well 'boys will be boys'.
There should be a V wing of B-52s napalming Mar A Lago into the stone age.
― The Artist formerly known as Earlnash, Thursday, 16 June 2022 22:44 (three years ago)
yeah well fuck you.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 June 2022 22:48 (three years ago)
A bloodier coup would've killed people like me
I'll never understand the idea that we need things to get WORSE so that they will finally get BETTER. That literally never works. Just try to make them better now.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 17 June 2022 00:35 (three years ago)
Not clear if you could convict him of attempted murder of the Vice President but not clear you couldn't. This has to be the darkest moment in Presidential history.— Harry Litman (@harrylitman) June 16, 2022
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 17 June 2022 00:35 (three years ago)
https://frinkiac.com/video/S05E14/koXj-rV4ax_0o5_ZQlgJMtlk2HI=.gif
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 17 June 2022 00:49 (three years ago)
I'll never understand the idea that we need things to get WORSE so that they will finally get BETTER
I recall that being Susan Sarandon's reasoning in why she would never vote for Hillary Clinton over Trump
― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 17 June 2022 00:49 (three years ago)
I lost several friends in 2016 because they thought we needed -- this word came up a lot -- "a reckoning."
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 June 2022 00:51 (three years ago)
you got nothing to lose, you don't lose when you lose fake friends! fake friends!
- joan jett
― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 17 June 2022 00:58 (three years ago)
definitely not pro-reckoning but seems like Clinton camp was m/l jumping at the chance to run against Trump, at least initially. one more reason DLC third way types weren’t/ aren’t suited for the moment
― OG Bob Sacamano (will), Friday, 17 June 2022 01:11 (three years ago)
The many things obstructions to "making things better now" that we all point to day after day - the entire line of anti-democratic institutions that ultimately control American politics from the Senate to the Federal Reserve Board to the Supreme Court to the Electoral College - are insurmountable without some kind of breakdown of the state as constituted.
The question is whether the pain of the breakdown is worth it in the long run (and how that compares to the long, slow immiseration we're getting as it is) - I, for one, don't think so because what comes after is unlikely to be better and climate catastrophe is rendering the entire question moot anyway but I don't know if you can say that "that literally never works" - and non-revolutionary examples of making things better without the pain are also lacking.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 17 June 2022 01:33 (three years ago)
Things don’t just … STOP getting worse, is the thing. Once the die is cast, it’s sealed.In other words, Morbs was right all along
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Friday, 17 June 2022 01:48 (three years ago)
For perspective, we as a society likely peaked when this was committed to vinyl:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zE4KowTk0C4
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Friday, 17 June 2022 01:51 (three years ago)
that refers to Dick Nixon
― frogbs, Friday, 17 June 2022 02:26 (three years ago)
Things don’t just … STOP getting worse, is the thing. Once the die is cast, it’s sealed.
In other words, Morbs was right all along
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Thursday, June 16, 2022
There are very few moments in life as good as this. Let's remember ithere are very few moments in life as good as this. Let's remember ithere are very few moments in life as good as this. Let's remember it
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 17 June 2022 02:32 (three years ago)
The question is whether the pain of the breakdown is worth it in the long run
Any kind of breakdown (including the slow grinding one we're probably in the middle of) always hurts the most vulnerable people most, and almost always empowers the worst people with the most guns and money. The "state as constituted" at least has some levers that are somewhat accessible to people without a lot of guns and money and inherited power. They are inadequate and rigged in a lot of ways, but they have afforded space for some real societal changes. The track of violent revolution in improving life for most people is terrible. "Burn it all down" is fun to say but bad to do. I don't think there's any reason to believe that serious societal/political breakdown in the United States will be anything but bad.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 17 June 2022 03:15 (three years ago)
Track record, I mean.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 17 June 2022 03:19 (three years ago)
Like I said, I'm team "the juice is not worth the squeeze" myself (because I'm a pessimist) but I'm not sure it's any less realistic (or humane) than 'making things better now.' The most semi-realistic left-wing viewpoint in American politics is to gently slow national decline and deepening misery while kicking the can of climate change down the road a few more years. Absent technological deus ex machina solving that problem, it's going to be out of our hands in ways we can't really imagine anyway.
That we're a hegemonic (nuclear-powered) liberal democracy is different from successful examples of rapid change (revolution is absolutely not batting .000, I mean we only have the framework we have because of violent struggle), of course, but in and of itself that uniqueness means that we don't have a track record to point to to definitely say what won't work in improving the situation or what will absolutely be worse. I think most of us would agree that we're barely hanging on to the liberal democracy part already - does everyone have to still keep working inside the system after a successful putsch (would things be any different if they hadn't kept working inside the system after 2000)? The same kind of arguments about how a failure at that point would only make things worse apply.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 17 June 2022 05:09 (three years ago)
I agree with most of that, I’m just very wary of the urge to break things. So much of what IS available in terms of ameliorating the worst effects of our assorted deep-rooted inequities depends on functional civic infrastructure — such as it is — that anything that further weakens or erodes that infrastructure seems really dangerous. And also, that infrastructure takes a long time to build or rebuild, even if one were reasonably confident it would be replaced with something better. (Which I’m not at all.)
Also if anyone is successful at not-working-within-the-system in our current circumstances, it’s clearly going to be the neo-Confederate right, not any manifestation of the left. (By successful I mean, destroying it and seizing power.)
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 17 June 2022 18:55 (three years ago)
dropping this teen vogue interview with ruth wilson gilmore here, it's a nice thing to read, somehow positive and realistic at the same time
https://www.teenvogue.com/story/ruth-wilson-gilmore-qa
― the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Friday, 17 June 2022 19:00 (three years ago)
Her new book is out, haven’t cracked it yet but looks fucking awesome
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Friday, 17 June 2022 19:35 (three years ago)
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/17/us/politics/jan-6-committee-transcripts.html
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 17 June 2022 19:50 (three years ago)
(revolution is absolutely not batting .000, I mean we only have the framework we have because of violent struggle)
otm. the present day difficulty in the USA is that the forces of reaction are more numerous, better armed, and better trained for violent struggle than those who seek revolution. afaics, the masses are not prepared and are about as likely to side with the reactionaries as to join the revolution.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 17 June 2022 21:02 (three years ago)
John Cornyn getting booed for agreeing to the most pointless, watered down gun control bill possible is almost as funny as Gary Johnson getting booed for supporting drivers' licenses.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 17 June 2022 22:34 (three years ago)
https://i.imgur.com/iIcBjjP.png
what's especially weird is that, in this story (?) about how colbert's staff did a segment in the capitol and had problems with security, Carlson repeatedly calls it "an insurrection", then admits that he's joking, and then argues that his staff should be held without charge for a year and a half, since the charge of "insurrection" is the same as the charges against the jan 6 people.
i am sorry. i am sorry it had to be this way
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 18 June 2022 01:28 (three years ago)
I’m out of articles (if it’s in today’s paper I’ll look for a physical edition later today) but this seems like it might be an important piece of reporting.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/18/us/firearm-gun-sales.html
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 18 June 2022 12:02 (three years ago)
Good morning!
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 18 June 2022 12:24 (three years ago)
In 2009, a marketing firm hired by Remington to push its Bushmaster AR-15s settled on an ad campaign targeting civilians who “aspired” to be part of law enforcement. The first draft of the new pitch, later obtained by lawyers representing parents of children killed at Sandy Hook, exhorted buyers to use their new rifles to “Clear the Crack House,” “Ice the Perp” and “Save the Hostage.”The company toned down the language but embraced the idea of trafficking in fears of urban crime and mass shootings, the documents showed
― covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 18 June 2022 14:05 (three years ago)
“Would anybody like me to run for president?” Trump asked, as the crowd whistled, cheered and some began chanting “U.S.A.” But he was hardly the only one testing the waters. Sen. Tim Scott (S.C.) who addressed the crowd on Friday morning, walked back and forth across the ballroom stage and predicted that Republicans will win majorities in the House and the Senate in November, and then, holding his hands up he added: “And then in two years — I have a dream,” a reference to the Rev. Martin Luther King. He paused for applause, and then described the dream of GOP control in Washington. “We will show America how you recover after a gut punch,” Scott said.
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 18 June 2022 14:10 (three years ago)
Bushmaster AR-15s settled on an ad campaign targeting civilians
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 18 June 2022 14:14 (three years ago)
Still, hunting accounted for a majority of advertisements in Guns magazine from the 1960s to the late 1990s, according to a survey by Palgrave Communications, an online academic journal. The study found that “the core emphasis” shifted in the 2000s to “armed self-defense,” and that the percentage of hunting-related ads had dropped to about 10 percent by 2019.
― covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 18 June 2022 14:34 (three years ago)
Sorry I guess italics code doesn’t persist across paragraph breaks
― covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Saturday, 18 June 2022 14:35 (three years ago)
You want to see how this shit is marketed, pick up one of several survival/prepper mags at your local Bass Pro/CVS.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 18 June 2022 15:34 (three years ago)
https://thesurvivaljournal.com/survival-magazines/
https://thesurvivaljournal.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/ballistic-magazine.jpg
This magazine is the premier firearms and survival magazine. Well built reputation and high-quality information.It’s a must-read for all firearms and survival enthusiasts. It’s packed full of guns, bigger guns, survival tips, and even beer.
"survival enthusiasts"
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 18 June 2022 15:36 (three years ago)
Nice use of Fraktur there.
― Antifa Sandwich Artist (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 18 June 2022 15:39 (three years ago)
damn, look at that sweet oz gun. i can't wait to get one and survive
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 18 June 2022 15:46 (three years ago)
You'll need at least two to survive all the people that only have one.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 18 June 2022 15:50 (three years ago)
oh, i keep at least three on me whatever i do. what if i see a spot on the ground and want to dig a hole there? you think i'm using my hands? ok, caveman. i use glock to make a divot and then i use the handle of my oz to dig out some more hole, and then i find gold in the hole and sell it for profit
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 18 June 2022 15:53 (three years ago)
and if anyone doesn't like that, i'll go back to my backyard and shoot a bunch of targets with my political enemies on there, then make the spiciest chili you've ever heard of and then pump iron, just to deal with the pain of the criticism
Funny — I was at Walgreen's yesterday and they had an issue of that right by the cash register. I didn't look too closely, but based on the cover art I thought it was a video game magazine.
I went to their website just now looking for the cover I saw, but the site doesn't even advertise the magazine. They did have this story, though, which I thought was hilarious:
VIDEO: Youtube Mega-Celeb Jeffree Star Owns a Custom Pink BerettaFile this story into the old saying: “You can’t judge a book by its cover.” Most folks in the 2A community wouldn’t presume YouTube personality and fashion mogul Jeffree Star to have much in common with them. Actually, most die-hard 2A folks probably don’t even know who Star is. But Star apparently shares much more in common with gun folks than some might give him credit. And the recent Jeffree Star Custom Beretta helps tell that story.Some of out there will likely say “Who cares?,” or “Why does this matter?” Well, in an age where celebrities take the stage seemingly daily to push anti-gun agendas, finding common ground with major stars of any genre remains important. Pro-gun and anti-gun camps are obviously pretty entrenched. But wars on wedge issues take place somewhere in the middle. And Jeffree Star commands a massive audience, one that arguably pushes way left of center. His YouTube page generates 16 million followers. His Beretta video already pushed up to nearly 1 million views to date. Influencers matter these days, and Star looms large in that space.“… Today we’re going to the Beretta factory; if you don’t what Beretta is baby, it’s one of the most iconic manufacturers of firearms in the world, and today we’re going to their factory because there is a one-of-one Jeffree Star Cosmetics pistol,” Star said on his channel. “Yes, Beretta and Jeffree Star has made a collaboration, a one-of one gun, and today we few all the way here to see it for the very first time!”OK, big points here for Star right out of the gate. He clearly knows Beretta’s place in the gun world, showing reverence as one the titans of gunmaking. Better still, he put his name and brand all over the messaging. A star of the more contemporary, pop-culture and often left-leaning world, Star instead leans into gun ownership here in a big way.The next point of common ground for many gun lovers centers on family. So many stories of gun ownership and love of shooting begin with a family member passing down some sort of passion about firearms or shooting. Star’s backstory proves familiar.“… It’s an honor to be here, let’s start there,” Star said. “Today is just really special because my dad, rest in peace, loved Beretta. he loved firearms so much, so I really wish that he could be here to share this special moment with me today. I know he’s looking down at me like ‘Damn, son you really did that!’ So, they’ve made me a gun, and this is so cool, wild, and I can’t wait to see what they come up with.”Honestly, the best part of this entire presentation comes from Star’s reaction. Like a kid on Christmas morning, Star acted completely overwhelmed with the finished project. “Oh my God!,” Star aid. “Holy shit … I literally am shook. It’s the perfect pink, it’s so cool. … I can’t breathe … And we get to shoot it today, that’s the best part.”The custom pistol comes as a 92FSx, built in Beretta’s Italy factory. It features styling pulled straight from the unique branding of Jeffree Stat Cosmetics. The build includes deep pink finishing, a customized, hand-engraved slide and side grips, along with a highly polished barrel and surfaces with gold inlays. The Star logo and customized serial number round out this truly one-of-a-kind pistol build.“The insane level of detail of this special handgun is matched by a tailor handmade leather gun case, created by our in-house Atelier,” Beretta stated in a Facebook post.
File this story into the old saying: “You can’t judge a book by its cover.” Most folks in the 2A community wouldn’t presume YouTube personality and fashion mogul Jeffree Star to have much in common with them. Actually, most die-hard 2A folks probably don’t even know who Star is. But Star apparently shares much more in common with gun folks than some might give him credit. And the recent Jeffree Star Custom Beretta helps tell that story.
Some of out there will likely say “Who cares?,” or “Why does this matter?” Well, in an age where celebrities take the stage seemingly daily to push anti-gun agendas, finding common ground with major stars of any genre remains important. Pro-gun and anti-gun camps are obviously pretty entrenched. But wars on wedge issues take place somewhere in the middle. And Jeffree Star commands a massive audience, one that arguably pushes way left of center. His YouTube page generates 16 million followers. His Beretta video already pushed up to nearly 1 million views to date. Influencers matter these days, and Star looms large in that space.
“… Today we’re going to the Beretta factory; if you don’t what Beretta is baby, it’s one of the most iconic manufacturers of firearms in the world, and today we’re going to their factory because there is a one-of-one Jeffree Star Cosmetics pistol,” Star said on his channel. “Yes, Beretta and Jeffree Star has made a collaboration, a one-of one gun, and today we few all the way here to see it for the very first time!”
OK, big points here for Star right out of the gate. He clearly knows Beretta’s place in the gun world, showing reverence as one the titans of gunmaking. Better still, he put his name and brand all over the messaging. A star of the more contemporary, pop-culture and often left-leaning world, Star instead leans into gun ownership here in a big way.
The next point of common ground for many gun lovers centers on family. So many stories of gun ownership and love of shooting begin with a family member passing down some sort of passion about firearms or shooting. Star’s backstory proves familiar.
“… It’s an honor to be here, let’s start there,” Star said. “Today is just really special because my dad, rest in peace, loved Beretta. he loved firearms so much, so I really wish that he could be here to share this special moment with me today. I know he’s looking down at me like ‘Damn, son you really did that!’ So, they’ve made me a gun, and this is so cool, wild, and I can’t wait to see what they come up with.”
Honestly, the best part of this entire presentation comes from Star’s reaction. Like a kid on Christmas morning, Star acted completely overwhelmed with the finished project. “Oh my God!,” Star aid. “Holy shit … I literally am shook. It’s the perfect pink, it’s so cool. … I can’t breathe … And we get to shoot it today, that’s the best part.”
The custom pistol comes as a 92FSx, built in Beretta’s Italy factory. It features styling pulled straight from the unique branding of Jeffree Stat Cosmetics. The build includes deep pink finishing, a customized, hand-engraved slide and side grips, along with a highly polished barrel and surfaces with gold inlays. The Star logo and customized serial number round out this truly one-of-a-kind pistol build.
“The insane level of detail of this special handgun is matched by a tailor handmade leather gun case, created by our in-house Atelier,” Beretta stated in a Facebook post.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofnLRk6rsys
― but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 18 June 2022 15:54 (three years ago)
https://i.imgur.com/sm1bo0Z.jpg
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 18 June 2022 15:54 (three years ago)
Some of out there will likely say “Who cares?,” or “Why does this matter?” Well, in an age where celebrities take the stage seemingly daily to push anti-gun agendas, finding common ground with major stars of any genre remains important.
this is extremely well-argued
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 18 June 2022 15:55 (three years ago)
i think one of the reasons i've felt so lonely over the past 39 years is because i haven't really made an effort to find common ground with major stars of any genre. really, i think i was being selfish. it was all about me, when it should have been about me and major stars.
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 18 June 2022 15:56 (three years ago)
Wouldn't it be great if some members of "the 2A community" could find themselves on common ground with Jeffree Star on this issue and once that was established, maybe...gradually...over time...realize that they have...other interests in common? Interests they haven't necessarily felt comfortable sharing with their shootin' buddies?
― but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 18 June 2022 16:00 (three years ago)
any major dude could've told you
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 18 June 2022 16:01 (three years ago)
Thank, JNJ. Also, the promotion of weaponry is even grosser than I could’ve imagined
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 18 June 2022 16:12 (three years ago)
I’m gonna just reiterate -
“Well, in an age where celebrities take the stage seemingly daily to push anti-gun agendas, finding common ground with major stars of any genre remains important.”
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 18 June 2022 16:13 (three years ago)
Anywhere else, “anti-gun” could’ve been profitably replaced by “woke socialist mob,” I guess
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 18 June 2022 16:14 (three years ago)
I've buried guns all over my backyard, like a squirrel, so when the shit goes down and they've taken all the guns I can just start digging randomly and hopefully find a stash, because I am a survival enthusiast. Just squirrels.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 18 June 2022 16:22 (three years ago)
*adds item to do-do list*
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 18 June 2022 16:22 (three years ago)
Or you could just shoot a couple of people at a protest and then *you* become the star.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 18 June 2022 16:23 (three years ago)
weird how badly they need to be accepted by Hollywood Sickos
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Saturday, 18 June 2022 16:28 (three years ago)
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna34012
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 18 June 2022 17:06 (three years ago)
Now we just need to prosecute about half a million more gun nuts who make a habit out of threatening to kill public officials. If we can peg a felony on them lots of states will keep them from legally buying or owning guns. Win-win!
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 18 June 2022 18:01 (three years ago)
Some interesting positive changes, from a newsletter I subscribe to:
A year ago, Lina Khan became Chair at the Federal Trade Commission, followed a few months later by Jonathan Kanter taking the helm at the Department of Justice’s Antitrust Division. Khan and Kanter are perhaps the most aggressive proponents of antitrust enforcement in decades, returning competition policy to the basic view that when it comes to corporate power, big is usually bad.This week, three actions will help flesh out what this new enforcement regime looks like practically. First, Jonathan Kanter at the Antitrust Division filed a statement of interest on a court case asking for the narrowing of the antitrust exemption for Major League Baseball. MLB is embroiled in litigation over its choice to eliminate 40 minor league teams, and has been heavily criticized for mistreating minor league players. It was trying to use its antitrust exemption to get the lawsuit dismissed. With this statement of interest, as well as a series of others, Kanter is using his posture as the chief antitrust enforcer at DOJ to shape the law in a more assertive direction.Second, on Thursday, the FTC voted to resurrect the Robinson-Patman Act, a bill prohibiting corporate bribery and price discrimination by middlemen that hasn’t been meaningfully enforced since the 1970s. I wrote several chapters in my book on the titanic fight in the 1930s to tame chain stores with this law, and the equally vicious conflict in the 1970s to stop enforcing it. The end of RPA enforcement is why chain stores like Walmart and Amazon took over our retail space, and why dominant middlemen control every area of our economy at this point. It’s worth noting that Robert Bork’s most hated statute was the Robinson-Patman Act, and he considered it a tremendous victory that he helped end the enforcement of the law.So what happened at the FTC? All five commissioners voted on a policy statement saying that the use of rebates by dominant middlemen in the insulin market were a potential violation of different laws under the jurisdiction of the FTC, including the Robinson-Patman Act. This vote is a signal to every private antitrust lawyer, state attorney general, and judge, that the Robinson-Patman Act can once again be dusted off and used.Insulin is a great test case for this law, because everyone knows how unfair and inefficient the insulin market truly is. It’s a medication that has been around since 1922, and yet it has been increasing in cost every year for decades. And while the three main producers engage in all sorts of schemes to push up cost, most of the high cost of insulin is actually a result the middlemen named pharmacy benefits managers - CVS Caremark, Cigna (Express Scripts), and United Healthcare (OptumRx) - who manage and control how medicine is priced and sold. PBMs demand rebates of up to 70% for the right to have an insulin company sell their product to patients. These rebates in turn massively drive up the price of insulin.PBMs are increasingly hated by both parties. Last week, in a separate but related action, the FTC voted 5-0 for an investigation into PBMs, which Republicans like Senator James Lankford cheered on. And now this week, the FTC revealed that the Robinson-Patman Act is coming back. But while PBMs are the immediate focus, there are many other dominant middlemen who are vulnerable to the resurrection of the Robinson Patman Act. Last November, for instance, the FTC launched an investigation into price discrimination by, among other firms, Amazon. Amazon knows it is vulnerable; a few years ago, FTC alums Tim Muris and Jonathan E. Nuechterlein wrote a paper financed by the online giant on why the use of Robinson-Patman to go after a grocery chain in the 1930s was bad for consumers. Their attempt to control the historical narrative is a tell that keeping this law dormant is an important corporate priority.Even more surprisingly, the vote was not partisan. Christine Wilson and Noah Phillips, the two Republicans on the commission, voted to resurrect this law, and even praised Lina Khan for doing so. So if I’m a middleman who uses rebates, aka corporate bribery, to control a market, I’m very unhappy by what the FTC just did.The third big policy action was also at the FTC. The commission forced some significant restrictions on private equity firm JAB, which is seeking to roll-up veterinary care clinics nationwide. Under this decree, JAB must get the FTC’s permission to buy up a specialty or emergency veterinary clinic within 25 miles of any JAB-owned clinic in Texas and California. This is the use of an authority called ‘prior approval’ that Khan dusted off last year, and it begins fulfilling a pledge Khan made to address the roll of private equity in monopolization of industries nationwide. The Republicans on the commission, Christine Wilson and Noah Phillips, voted for the decree, but with a statement asserting they think private equity is good. Alas.What these actions show is that there is a fundamental reorientation of the law happening. In her strategic memo last September, Khan outlined a number of different priorities. She wants to get at root causes of consolidation, address dominant middlemen, and the business trend of private equity and its impact on competitive markets. And Kanter has discussed the need to use his enforcement tools to push the law in useful directions. They are both following through on their pledges. Neither the FTC or DOJ has operationalized the use of these new tools, but that is the next step.It takes a while to stop a giant ship, turn it around, and get it going in the opposite direction. That’s where we are with antitrust. We started this journey in 2013 or so, and finally got the ship stopped by the end of the Trump administration. Well, the ship has turned around, and it is beginning to move in the right direction. Slowly. But it’s speeding up.
This week, three actions will help flesh out what this new enforcement regime looks like practically. First, Jonathan Kanter at the Antitrust Division filed a statement of interest on a court case asking for the narrowing of the antitrust exemption for Major League Baseball. MLB is embroiled in litigation over its choice to eliminate 40 minor league teams, and has been heavily criticized for mistreating minor league players. It was trying to use its antitrust exemption to get the lawsuit dismissed. With this statement of interest, as well as a series of others, Kanter is using his posture as the chief antitrust enforcer at DOJ to shape the law in a more assertive direction.
Second, on Thursday, the FTC voted to resurrect the Robinson-Patman Act, a bill prohibiting corporate bribery and price discrimination by middlemen that hasn’t been meaningfully enforced since the 1970s. I wrote several chapters in my book on the titanic fight in the 1930s to tame chain stores with this law, and the equally vicious conflict in the 1970s to stop enforcing it. The end of RPA enforcement is why chain stores like Walmart and Amazon took over our retail space, and why dominant middlemen control every area of our economy at this point. It’s worth noting that Robert Bork’s most hated statute was the Robinson-Patman Act, and he considered it a tremendous victory that he helped end the enforcement of the law.
So what happened at the FTC? All five commissioners voted on a policy statement saying that the use of rebates by dominant middlemen in the insulin market were a potential violation of different laws under the jurisdiction of the FTC, including the Robinson-Patman Act. This vote is a signal to every private antitrust lawyer, state attorney general, and judge, that the Robinson-Patman Act can once again be dusted off and used.
Insulin is a great test case for this law, because everyone knows how unfair and inefficient the insulin market truly is. It’s a medication that has been around since 1922, and yet it has been increasing in cost every year for decades. And while the three main producers engage in all sorts of schemes to push up cost, most of the high cost of insulin is actually a result the middlemen named pharmacy benefits managers - CVS Caremark, Cigna (Express Scripts), and United Healthcare (OptumRx) - who manage and control how medicine is priced and sold. PBMs demand rebates of up to 70% for the right to have an insulin company sell their product to patients. These rebates in turn massively drive up the price of insulin.
PBMs are increasingly hated by both parties. Last week, in a separate but related action, the FTC voted 5-0 for an investigation into PBMs, which Republicans like Senator James Lankford cheered on. And now this week, the FTC revealed that the Robinson-Patman Act is coming back. But while PBMs are the immediate focus, there are many other dominant middlemen who are vulnerable to the resurrection of the Robinson Patman Act. Last November, for instance, the FTC launched an investigation into price discrimination by, among other firms, Amazon. Amazon knows it is vulnerable; a few years ago, FTC alums Tim Muris and Jonathan E. Nuechterlein wrote a paper financed by the online giant on why the use of Robinson-Patman to go after a grocery chain in the 1930s was bad for consumers. Their attempt to control the historical narrative is a tell that keeping this law dormant is an important corporate priority.
Even more surprisingly, the vote was not partisan. Christine Wilson and Noah Phillips, the two Republicans on the commission, voted to resurrect this law, and even praised Lina Khan for doing so. So if I’m a middleman who uses rebates, aka corporate bribery, to control a market, I’m very unhappy by what the FTC just did.
The third big policy action was also at the FTC. The commission forced some significant restrictions on private equity firm JAB, which is seeking to roll-up veterinary care clinics nationwide. Under this decree, JAB must get the FTC’s permission to buy up a specialty or emergency veterinary clinic within 25 miles of any JAB-owned clinic in Texas and California. This is the use of an authority called ‘prior approval’ that Khan dusted off last year, and it begins fulfilling a pledge Khan made to address the roll of private equity in monopolization of industries nationwide. The Republicans on the commission, Christine Wilson and Noah Phillips, voted for the decree, but with a statement asserting they think private equity is good. Alas.
What these actions show is that there is a fundamental reorientation of the law happening. In her strategic memo last September, Khan outlined a number of different priorities. She wants to get at root causes of consolidation, address dominant middlemen, and the business trend of private equity and its impact on competitive markets. And Kanter has discussed the need to use his enforcement tools to push the law in useful directions. They are both following through on their pledges. Neither the FTC or DOJ has operationalized the use of these new tools, but that is the next step.
It takes a while to stop a giant ship, turn it around, and get it going in the opposite direction. That’s where we are with antitrust. We started this journey in 2013 or so, and finally got the ship stopped by the end of the Trump administration. Well, the ship has turned around, and it is beginning to move in the right direction. Slowly. But it’s speeding up.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 18 June 2022 18:11 (three years ago)
Thought that photo of Merrick Garland was the 42-year old for a second. Conservatives do age poorly.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 18 June 2022 18:11 (three years ago)
this video is worth burning a free article for:
https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000008392796/rile-up-the-normies-how-proud-boys-breached-the-capitol.html
it's an 18-minute video using countless sources of footage to outline the proud boys' actions throughout jan 6, and demonstrating how effective they were in overcoming the capitol. at least five different entrances, including the huge, key ones, were breached under their direction and influence. In areas where crowds had been standing for hours, they would arrive and within minutes, confront the capitol cops, distract them, remove the barricades, rile up the crowd (with just the dumbest, sportsy "LET'S GOOOOOOO! USSAAAAA!!" kind of bullshit you've ever heard, which is very effective for crowds of authoritarians), then lead the physical confrontation and breach the entrance, now supported by hundreds of very pumped up "normies" (as the proud boys call them) among their number.
all of us have probably seen a version of this or read about most of this a million times, but this puts it all together in a very coherent way. also, watching, it really drills in that whole regrettable issue where absolutely everyone except for trump and his paramilitary supporters were begging for backup for the cops, and trump very conspicuously just did whatever he did for several hours until he was pretty much forced to tape a (very transparently hostage-like) message asking his goons to back away, congratulating them for being such fine patriots standing up against evil. or whatever the fuck he said. watching the video above, and then remembering what he did, it just makes your fucking blood boil. i am not a fan of the usa but holy shit, fuck all of these people forever and anyone who ever supported them, for a single moment, i still feel that just as much as i did in 2016 when trump won by negative millions of votes
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 18 June 2022 18:42 (three years ago)
also, knowing that as recently as 2020, the proud boys were the allies of the police, in countless confrontations and assaults on black lives matter protesters. the proud boys openly collaborated with the police, across the country, and everyone that was there knew it. the police refused to wear masks and collaborated with the proud boys. in that summer, there was no one fighting against the proud boys except BLM. the capitol police were likely overwhelmed by the proud boys and their summoned mob of "normies" because they assumed that they were still allies with the idiotic racists they were allied with the previous summer
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 18 June 2022 18:44 (three years ago)
Interesting, unperson; I had no clue about any of that!
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 18 June 2022 19:00 (three years ago)
Karl, hopefully that video gets more attention.
Not to diminish their danger, but I amuse myself by thinking of all these American nazis as “the Oath Boys” after an elderly professor from my college fumbled the two groups’ names at a brunch months ago
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 18 June 2022 19:03 (three years ago)
proud keeping oath believing bitter-clinging right-winging clingers of guns god and liberty
right-winging, bitter-clinging proud clingers of our guns, our God, and our religions, and our Constitution
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 18 June 2022 19:07 (three years ago)
oops, I forgot to delete my reference notes for that important post
religions and constitution with "liberty", just to make it rhyme. Sarah Palin did not make it rhyme.
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 18 June 2022 19:08 (three years ago)
Rep. Dan Crenshaw and his staff were violently confronted at the Republican Party of Texas convention a short time ago, when far-right social media activist Alex Stein and others whom witnesses described as Proud Boys began shouting “eyepatch McCain” at him – an attempted insult coined by Fox News Channel’s Tucker Carlson.
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Saturday, 18 June 2022 23:57 (three years ago)
sorry, but lol.
is he going to make a marvel movie commercial about this? like he did with aNtiFa? or nah
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Sunday, 19 June 2022 00:20 (three years ago)
The Dark MAGA gang is really developing a hate-on for Crenshaw.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 19 June 2022 00:23 (three years ago)
The guy I went to high school with who tried to primary DC was easily beaten, and he's been issuing Cawthorn-esque attack statements on the reg ever since.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 19 June 2022 00:27 (three years ago)
I gotta admit “eyepatch McCain” as a shouted taunt just cracked me up
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 19 June 2022 00:59 (three years ago)
They booed Cronyn on Friday because of that limp gun control bill that wasn't limp enough for their tastes.
https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/politics/2022/06/17/427222/john-cornyn-booed-at-texas-gop-convention-in-houston/
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 19 June 2022 16:20 (three years ago)
jfc
Truly monstrous stuff here 👇🏽— (scandal-plagued) GOP Missouri Senate candidate @EricGreitens says “join the MAGA crew, get a RINO hunting permit” (Republicans In Name Only) as they break into a house…presumably to murder Republicans he disagrees with. pic.twitter.com/YLUSSIlm6k— The Tennessee Holler (@TheTNHoller) June 20, 2022
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 20 June 2022 15:25 (three years ago)
Wow. GOP would lose 38 electoral votes and a net 13 lost seats in the House and 2 Senators lost. TX would stop getting Medicaid, any federal funding whatsoever, and couldn't use the $ anymore. Sounds good to me.— Christopher Boyd (@CJBear71) June 19, 2022
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Monday, 20 June 2022 15:37 (three years ago)
(in response to this)
Texas GOP Platform also calls for full repeal of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 as well as for the state to hold a referendum on whether Texas should secede pic.twitter.com/oeiGjB0nys— Ben Jacobs (@Bencjacobs) June 19, 2022
I really don't want to be put into a situation where I have to move to different part of the country
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 20 June 2022 15:40 (three years ago)
twitter thread full of the usual cheerleading the downfall of Texas as if millions of amazing people horrified by their Governor/GOP Platform don't live there.
― Slowzy LOLtidore (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2022 15:41 (three years ago)
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 June 2022 15:52 (three years ago)
How the fuck does Grietens still have a career
― frogbs, Monday, 20 June 2022 15:52 (three years ago)
Latest Senate polls, @FiveThirtyEight: PA Fetterman 46-37 OzNC Beasley 44-40 BuddGA Warnock 47-47 WalkerCO Bennett +13UT Lee 41-37 McMullinOH Ryan 44-41 VanceWA Murray 51-40 SmileyNV Cortez Masto 48-27 LaxaltNo red wave to be found here.— Simon Rosenberg (@SimonWDC) June 16, 2022
huh
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 20 June 2022 15:56 (three years ago)
he's dominating the GOP primary here, too.
conservatives in Missouri are creepy as fuck, that's all i can say. look at this article from March: https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-campaigns-eric-greitens-missouri-texas-5cb2c458155b4f611b0e9a3377d9d970
whose story sounds more plausible here? background: "COLUMBIA, Mo. (AP) — Former Missouri Gov. Eric Greitens, now a leading Republican Senate candidate, was physically abusive and demonstrated such “unstable and coercive behavior” that steps were taken to limit his access to firearms, according to new allegations from his ex-wife revealed in court records on Monday.”
his ex-wife’s position:
In the affidavit, Sheena Greitens casts her ex-husband as someone who threatened to use his political connections and influence in order to destroy her reputation to win custody of the children.“Prior to our divorce, during an argument in late April 2018, Eric knocked me down and confiscated my cell phone, wallet and keys so that I was unable to call for help or extricate myself and our children from our home,” Sheena Greitens wrote in the filing. “I became afraid for my safety and that of our children at our home,” later adding that his “behavior included physical violence toward our children, such as cuffing our then-3-year-old son across the face at the dinner table in front of me and yanking him around by his hair.”In 2019, one of her sons came home from a visit with his dad “with a swollen face, bleeding gums and loose tooth,” she said.“He said Dad had hit him; however, Eric said they were roughhousing and it had been an accident,” Sheena Greitens wrote, adding that the tooth eventually had to be removed.
“Prior to our divorce, during an argument in late April 2018, Eric knocked me down and confiscated my cell phone, wallet and keys so that I was unable to call for help or extricate myself and our children from our home,” Sheena Greitens wrote in the filing. “I became afraid for my safety and that of our children at our home,” later adding that his “behavior included physical violence toward our children, such as cuffing our then-3-year-old son across the face at the dinner table in front of me and yanking him around by his hair.”
In 2019, one of her sons came home from a visit with his dad “with a swollen face, bleeding gums and loose tooth,” she said.
“He said Dad had hit him; however, Eric said they were roughhousing and it had been an accident,” Sheena Greitens wrote, adding that the tooth eventually had to be removed.
Greiten’s position:
“I am seeking full custody of my sons, and for their sake, I will continue to pray for their mother and hope that she gets the help that she needs,” he said in a statement issued from his Twitter account.
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Monday, 20 June 2022 15:58 (three years ago)
man, if ever I wanted someone to drive into the ocean and somehow have a shark break into his submerged vehicle and eat him....
― Slowzy LOLtidore (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2022 16:10 (three years ago)
i'm glad that about the update in Caek's post, that things don't look as bleak in battleground states.
here, it's going to be senior fascist hawley and junior fascist grietens. it is bleak as fuck
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Monday, 20 June 2022 16:16 (three years ago)
looking dire in FL for Governor. but there haven't been any major polls for months.
can't believe our 'best' option is a guy who already governed our state as a Republican and switched parties.
― Slowzy LOLtidore (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2022 16:23 (three years ago)
also haven't had our primary yet for D
― Slowzy LOLtidore (Neanderthal), Monday, 20 June 2022 16:24 (three years ago)
hoping Walker’s very obvious CTE keeps Warnock competitive there but I don’t feel great about it but holy lord pls let Vance eat shit.
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Monday, 20 June 2022 16:27 (three years ago)
― Slowzy LOLtidore (Neanderthal),
South Florida market bombarded with Val Demings Senate ads this weekend. She is alas going hard on opposing defunding the police ("That's just crazy!!") and her cred as sheriff.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 June 2022 16:30 (three years ago)
Also: Annette Taddeo, the best candidate in the governor's race, dropping out to run against Salazar in FL-27 looks like the smart play.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 20 June 2022 16:31 (three years ago)
God, everything about that Texas GOP convention was bleak as fuck.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, 20 June 2022 16:47 (three years ago)
It’s a state that I would steer far clear of if I didn’t have to go there.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 20 June 2022 16:52 (three years ago)
Greitens is such an obvious MAGA grifter, the rubes buying in would be hilarious if it wasn’t so tragic. He flipped a coin deciding which party to join when he went from being a corrupt SEAL to a corrupt politician.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 20 June 2022 17:02 (three years ago)
Does the Navy (or Navy SEALS) have any position on military people using their training to break into the homes of Americans and murder them? it seems like they would care about that, but probably not
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Monday, 20 June 2022 17:03 (three years ago)
i guess that's what cops do anyway, so now it's just getting normalized through the branches of the military as well
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Monday, 20 June 2022 17:04 (three years ago)
Larry Summers -- who the president said he spoke with today -- publicly saying a 5% unemployment rate is necessary to combat inflation. To state the obvious, a 5% unemployment rate would mean devastating joblessness for millions of poor American workers pic.twitter.com/wsSB9zmBy9— Jeff Stein (@JStein_WaPo) June 20, 2022
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 21 June 2022 00:26 (three years ago)
Coincidentally it would also change the worker-friendly dynamic of the past year, where everyone was raising wages to try to attract people.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 21 June 2022 00:35 (three years ago)
(Which I'm sure would break Larry Summers' heart.)
it's wild that these people are just out walking around in public and no one's (redacted) them
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Tuesday, 21 June 2022 00:55 (three years ago)
I don't have a PhD from wherever Larry went to school but I'm still unclear on how Great Recession levels of unemployment are going to stop the Ukraine war, end pandemic lockdowns in China or keep Saudi Arabia from collaborating with Russia to keep oil prices high.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 21 June 2022 01:17 (three years ago)
these fuckin captains of industry have been spouting variations of this hideous shit for centuries & we are still have not reached a point where they are silenced with a wellplaced right-hook to the jaw, or even an airhorn
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 21 June 2022 01:27 (three years ago)
now now everybody be cool the adults are in charge
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Tuesday, 21 June 2022 01:29 (three years ago)
Georgia, on my mind
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 21 June 2022 17:07 (three years ago)
i guess it was probably already known that the "lie" at the heart of the big lie was that it was illegal immigrant voting (along with a smattering of dead people) that was the "fraud" in the "stolen election". but it's just gross to hear all these different instances of giuliani and jenna ellis calling the AZ and GA officials (among others) and just plainly making that the centerpiece of their allegations, the oldest fascist trick in the book, was that it was outsiders, people of color, speaking different languages, scary people, trying to take over the country. trump would be on the phone too, supporting all this and asking giuliani to give the state legislators the "evidence". it's such an obvious throughline to trump's life before 2015-16, when he had just spent half a decade promoting a racist lie about obama not being a true american, that he was actually an outsider, possibly an evil one with malign intentions. and then, of course, all the times he defrauded throughout the rest of his life. so fucking pathetic that all of this was so plainly obvious when those first little op-eds popped up in spring 2015 suggesting that trump would run for president
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 21 June 2022 17:49 (three years ago)
but he's mean on tv and he's rich!
unforgivable dipshits
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 21 June 2022 17:51 (three years ago)
KM otm
None is so blind as s/he who will not see
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 21 June 2022 17:56 (three years ago)
outsiders, people of color, speaking different languages, scary people, trying to take over the country
I mean, this has been the nativist/white supremacist platform in this country from the very beginning. This is all just the same fight we've been having forever.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 21 June 2022 18:07 (three years ago)
And Germany.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 21 June 2022 18:09 (three years ago)
Each hearing is even more harrowing than the last, in new ways.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 21 June 2022 18:10 (three years ago)
Yeah, was just talking about this with someone. They've structured it all brilliantly. "Oh, you thought that was fucked-up and evil? Wait until tomorrow."
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 21 June 2022 18:21 (three years ago)
At the very least they've made a very strong case for his impeachment.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 21 June 2022 18:53 (three years ago)
Ms. Moss is an _excellent_ witness.
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 21 June 2022 19:11 (three years ago)
She’s so nervous. It’s so important that she’s part of this.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 21 June 2022 19:12 (three years ago)
She's a GA election worker, for the last 10 years, who is going to testify on the threats she received. she loved her job and said she especially liked helping the older folks, the ones who like to call on the phone and do things in person rather than online and mobile like young people, and that she liked being there for them in multiple elections, helping some of the same people year after year.
she was also nervous as hell, as any of us would be. very relatable. then it switches to a video clip of Rudy being rudy. it's just disgusting, and it throws into stark relief how baldly corrupt and scummy trump and his cronies are
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 21 June 2022 19:13 (three years ago)
xp
yes, the nervousness is key and so relatable. it's just like, how in the hell did we get in a situation where this person has to testify on this bullshit
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 21 June 2022 19:14 (three years ago)
“A ginger mint.”
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 21 June 2022 19:18 (three years ago)
jesus. it's enough to make you cry, it really is. i can never forgive anyone who supported trump and all of his very obviously racist and corrupt cronies. there is too much suspension of disbelief, for way too many people, that they just couldn't tell that trump was lying and that they just didn't know that. nope. fuck that, no forgiveness.
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 21 June 2022 19:18 (three years ago)
yeah, this is pretty powerful stuff
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 21 June 2022 19:19 (three years ago)
how has it her affected her life:
"i don't go the grocery store at all. i haven't been anywhere at all. i gained about 60 pounds. i don't want to go anywhere, it affects everything i do. it's affected in my life in a major way, in every way. all because of lies."
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 21 June 2022 19:22 (three years ago)
It would be great if this 20 minutes (at least) were played incessantly in prime time.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 21 June 2022 19:24 (three years ago)
AMERICAN HORROR STORY: ELECTION
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 21 June 2022 19:39 (three years ago)
"The call is coming from inside the polling place!!"
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 21 June 2022 19:40 (three years ago)
January 6 committee has obtained previously unknown film of Trump and family at time of riotFilmmaker Alex Holder will sit for a deposition on Thursday and has provided the select committee ‘raw footage’ taken on the day of the Capitol attack
Filmmaker Alex Holder will sit for a deposition on Thursday and has provided the select committee ‘raw footage’ taken on the day of the Capitol attack
thursday.
― I'm ANTIFA and I vote. (Austin), Tuesday, 21 June 2022 20:16 (three years ago)
Wasn’t it already known that he was watching the coverage on TV all day and guffawing?Please let it be something like footage of Junior and Roger Stone doing rails.
― Antifa Sandwich Artist (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 21 June 2022 22:21 (three years ago)
Serious question: how are we just finding out about this filmmaker now?
― tobo73, Tuesday, 21 June 2022 22:34 (three years ago)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/06/21/jan-6-committee-hearings-live-updates-day-4/#link-XH7CJMEFFNCG7G4HJGZPI2WXLI
A spokesperson for Sen. Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) has disputed accusations from the committee that the senator was directly involved with a conspiracy to overturn the 2020 election. At the Tuesday hearing, the committee published transcripts of text messages that investigators say show a Johnson staffer asking a staffer for Vice President Mike Pence if the senator could present fake elector certifications during a joint session of Congress on Jan. 6, 2021.“The senator had no involvement in the creation of an alternate slate of electors and had no foreknowledge that it was going to be delivered to our office. This was a staff to staff exchange. His new Chief of Staff contacted the Vice President’s office,” Johnson press secretary Alexa Henning wrote in a tweet Tuesday afternoon.Henning did not contest the authenticity of the text messages, saying instead that Johnson was not involved in the “creation” of the fake elector certificates themselves. Henning’s statement does not contest the committee’s core claim, which is that Johnson lobbied the vice president to accept fake elector certificates in an effort to subvert the 2020 election.
“The senator had no involvement in the creation of an alternate slate of electors and had no foreknowledge that it was going to be delivered to our office. This was a staff to staff exchange. His new Chief of Staff contacted the Vice President’s office,” Johnson press secretary Alexa Henning wrote in a tweet Tuesday afternoon.
Henning did not contest the authenticity of the text messages, saying instead that Johnson was not involved in the “creation” of the fake elector certificates themselves. Henning’s statement does not contest the committee’s core claim, which is that Johnson lobbied the vice president to accept fake elector certificates in an effort to subvert the 2020 election.
wow, gonna be some big consequences for Johnson for THIS one!!!!
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 21 June 2022 23:25 (three years ago)
This might be the most unhinged tweet of the year
I spent Juneteenth all day in the hot sun hoeing and pulling weeds and thinking about what it would have been like to have been a slave. At the end of the day, I thought about what it would be like to be an aborted baby. I got to see the sunrise and the sunset.— Steve King (@SteveKingIA) June 21, 2022
― frogbs, Tuesday, 21 June 2022 23:48 (three years ago)
hey look i've spent my fair share of time wondering what it would be like if Steve King had been a aborted
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 00:22 (three years ago)
https://frinkiac.com/video/S04E21/Ddi26wG-kx8zE4TFor4GLgk0iYk=.gif
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 00:26 (three years ago)
It's not too late for someone to abort Steve King.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 00:33 (three years ago)
https://i.imgur.com/3vap2Ge.png
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 03:11 (three years ago)
Worst vs. Worst Lean Into AL Senate Race:
The Alabama election pitted one of Donald Trump’s loyalists against the candidate the former president actually endorsed.
― dow, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 03:44 (three years ago)
And today's testimony by conservative officials who are still threatened, and so are their families, for not backing the coup---the Arizona Speaker of the House ffs---should be a reminder to Senator-elect Britt, who used to seem smart when she worked her ass off for Senator Shelby and his later generations of constituents, that it isn't enough to "support" Trump, unless that means going allll the way, babe.
― dow, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 04:10 (three years ago)
(Although obvs lots of ppl have no prob w that.)
― dow, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 04:14 (three years ago)
Just lose yourself, as the planet dies, jump in and looose yourself.
― dow, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 04:15 (three years ago)
Too obs on the internet again, sorry.
― dow, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 04:16 (three years ago)
From the guy who literally wrote the book on where the GOP bodies are buried:
Okay is no one goes to jail behind this shit I'm renouncing my citizenship.— Rick Perlstein (@rickperlstein) June 22, 2022
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 14:01 (three years ago)
Narrator: No one is going to jail behind this shit.
― Cabernet Frank (PBKR), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 14:26 (three years ago)
At this rate no one's even going to trial.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 14:48 (three years ago)
Regardless of whether a few people here or there face any kind of sanction, the party behind the whole thing is going to be rewarded in November with control of one or both houses of Congress and will promptly resume dismantling the constitutional order (such as it is). And there’s literally nothing we can do about that in the near term.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 14:54 (three years ago)
And then the answer to any lingering questions about January 6 will be, “the people have spoken.” (GOP being big fans of electoral legitimacy when they win.)
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 14:55 (three years ago)
“If he is the nominee, if he was up against Biden, I’d vote for him again” — Rusty Bowers on Trump, who he also said orchestrated an illegal and unconstitutional scheme to steal the last election. https://t.co/i5R4yTSP2K— Sam Stein (@samstein) June 22, 2022
Yeah so this is the whole problem
― frogbs, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 14:55 (three years ago)
Guys, Susan Collins is preparing a vigorous head-shaking in the general direction of the worst of these guys, what more punishment could they possibly deserve you monsters?
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 14:56 (three years ago)
This is one of those instances where I type 3-4 thoughts and then immediately delete them.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 14:58 (three years ago)
I don't know, being flip is about all I have in my tank right now without dipping into pure pessimism, so I think that's the more healthy route for now.
It's just massively depressing to know this is what we all saw happening in real time but also hearing the horrifying new little details like what the electors have faced, but still feeling so fucking doubtful that a single consequence of note will result. Not to mention, as frogbs points out, even the most horrified Rs this week will still vote for him again in a heartbeat, because power.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 15:08 (three years ago)
let's hear Rusty Bowers full explanation
“If he is the nominee, if he was up against Biden, I’d vote for him again,” Bowers said. “Simply because what he did the first time, before COVID, was so good for the county. In my view it was great.”
oh
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 15:33 (three years ago)
wait...sorry, i was c+p'ing that from the article. because Trump was so good for the ..county? one of those horrible things where it really could be a typo, or it really could just be Rusty Bowers putting "the county" (i'm assuming he'd be talking about Maricopa, where more than 60% of Arizona Tea drinkers live) above the entire country
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 15:36 (three years ago)
he means Trump was so great at delivering a massive tax cut for rich people, not much can beat that
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 15:40 (three years ago)
also these clowns know that if they stray from MAGA their voters might actually hunt them imagine if there were that kind of abject fear among our elites over idk universal healthcare or raising the minimum wage
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 15:41 (three years ago)
It's not that Trump was so good, don't you see, it's that if he were up against Biden, a demented Communist that eats the few babies he does not allow to be aborted or trafficked, then really, what choice is there?
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 15:43 (three years ago)
when the US has been a hybrid fascist-feudal entity for a century, at least there will be a pretty patient and thorough time capsule of what the fuck happened for people on other continents to consult... is how i break it down to an extent
― covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 15:43 (three years ago)
in a century, there won't be countries, just 'discs' of land that haven't yet become uninhabitable
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 15:46 (three years ago)
small discs, so you could call them "compact discs"
we were hoping for flying cars and a robot that automatically makes toast when we wake up. instead we got compact discs that we live on
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 15:47 (three years ago)
sorry, onethread
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 15:48 (three years ago)
even after my cynicism reached peak levels in the first couple of years of the Trump admin, i’d comfort myself with the notion that once boomers cease to be the primary political force in this country that they’d take a lot of the poison with them. demographics, destiny, etc. not really sure about that these days tbh
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 15:51 (three years ago)
ditto. Self-absorption, hatred, and lack of accountability will just rally around a more youthful avatar.
― the body of a spider... (scampering alpaca), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 15:54 (three years ago)
MAGA really revealed that there are a sufficient number of death-cult conservative hatemongers in young age groups to sustain future generations
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 15:56 (three years ago)
Our university's student government association reeks with the presence of neo-Trumpers, Trump wannabes, and who, according to one of our reporters who has a poli-sci class with this winner, want an SGA executive branch that's "benevolently authoritarian."
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 15:59 (three years ago)
not to bring crypto into this but there's going to be a generation of young angry people who were ripped off but also love joe rogan, and they are not about to be leftists
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 16:02 (three years ago)
still feeling so fucking doubtful that a single consequence of note will result.
This, plus the fact that a sizable chunk of the US population thinks that that is the proper outcome.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 16:04 (three years ago)
gop and their money/media networks have (perhaps correctly) surmised that anything with a whiff of capitulation on this is going to damage their brand among their replacement voters
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 16:11 (three years ago)
I felt this too, and yes it's completely wrong. the shitlord/assholes at the back of the schoolbus/hollow earth approach of the new GOP ensures new blood for their ranks forever, unless somehow the internet stops working
― covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 16:12 (three years ago)
i hope i don't come off as flip. the desolation of this moment is so so so deep tbh
― covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 16:13 (three years ago)
i just spent 3 weeks with my WSJ reading dad who always reminds me that he voted for Kasich and this is exactly where they all are. all he cares about are environmental regulations and trump was his perfect vessel for that
― Heez, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 16:18 (three years ago)
Look, I hate to take Perlstein's implication a step further, but really, there *ARE* things that people of sound mind could do. We don't talk about them much on here, and it seems frowned upon to even mention them, so I restrain myself.
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 16:22 (three years ago)
Instead of despair, canvass for your local politicians, y'all.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 16:22 (three years ago)
^^^
otm, and if you are in a solid blue area, donate to help other races.
(I mean, lol @ me being one to talk about not despairing, but one hard won lesson of the last few years is that despair is never a useful tool, no matter how alluring)
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 16:26 (three years ago)
Moreover, I got a beard trim and haircut this morning. I got no time for despair.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 16:28 (three years ago)
I desperately need a beard trim, my place is still not doing them. Going to have to suck it up and go to the not so great place. I may be a man of very few talents, but trimming my own beard in an aesthetically satisfactory fashion is not one of them.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 16:31 (three years ago)
I’m fighting off the despair, too, everyone. And Alfred OTM.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 16:31 (three years ago)
One of the only jokes I remember from the most recent Hannibal Buress special: "Ever feel depressed and it turns out all you needed was a haircut?"
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 16:32 (three years ago)
I am planning on attending Greiten’s next public appearance near me. Despite all the outrage, he is dominating the primary here. Luckily, I know how to make a very large, very tall sign that fits in my hatchback
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 16:32 (three years ago)
https://assets3.thrillist.com/v1/image/2801128/1200x630/flatten;crop_down;webp=auto;jpeg_quality=70
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 16:33 (three years ago)
I like to set realistic, attainable goals. So my goal is to completely ruin him and his entire career with one sign
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 16:35 (three years ago)
Honestly I think I’m done supporting politicians. Just gonna focus on issues I care about
― Heez, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 16:35 (three years ago)
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0
I still mask at the salon but remove it and hold my breath during the trim. It's painful.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 16:42 (three years ago)
Trimmed my own beard and mustache last night. 5mm clipper setting, took two minutes. On the other hand, I haven't had a haircut since November. My hair is now longer than my mom's (she's got an "old lady on the golf course" haircut).
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 16:50 (three years ago)
I need a haircut, I'm looking very much like a hippie.
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 16:53 (three years ago)
I've been giving myself a haircut since March 2020. Do I do a good job? Sometimes, but it's good preparation for when I'm forced to live on the run.
Always trimmed my own beard, though. That's why I had clippers in the first place.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 16:55 (three years ago)
I've trimmed my beard since 2013 but suck at it.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 17:00 (three years ago)
I go to the barber in a mask, but probably didn’t do that for the first 8-12 months of the pandemic. Which sucked because my scalp gets itchy and dry over time, and I really need a haircut every 4-6 weeks or so.
As for shaving, I just shave my whole face every few days.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 17:01 (three years ago)
hey everyone, the topic of this thread is US POLITICS. let's keep it serious.
now, i do want to draw attention to how ted cruz is one of those gamers who buys the premium items so he can have an advantage over people without money.
Ted says he is “a gamer,” and reveals his strategy: “You can buy in-game items and make your character stronger or get advantages. I’ll confess, I buy it because it’s a lot more fun if suddenly your character has a lot of great stuff that would take you 6-12 months to build up.” pic.twitter.com/qECn4OvBjT— Ron Filipkowski 🇺🇦 (@RonFilipkowski) June 21, 2022
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 17:03 (three years ago)
Xpost My beard only began graying during the first few months of pandemic.
Still overwhelmingly brown but more gray strands by the day.
I let it go for a while and had everybody telling me to clean up cos I looked rough. Just started regularly keeping it up this month.
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 17:04 (three years ago)
I'm definitely seeing a lot more gray in my beard lately, and some at the temple/sideburns area, but not enough that it's super noticeable, especially since now that my hair is long it seems blonder than when I kept it short, too.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 17:28 (three years ago)
I get that there's a lot to despair about but I have noticed that the teenagers of today are way more educated & savvy when it comes to political issues than my generation was
― frogbs, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 17:35 (three years ago)
xpost - my salon still just flat out won't do beard trims at all, breath holding or no. They wouldn't even trim under the beard if I left the mask on, lol. I've gone twice to the other place in town that I like a lot less to get it trimmed, lest I start to look too unkempt.
Thankfully, so far, all of my gray is in the beard and not on the top of the head. I don't mind that at all.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 17:36 (three years ago)
I think what we all need is for reporters to start asking Ted Cruz about his beard regimen.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 17:42 (three years ago)
“Any grooming tips for your fans, Rollie?”
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 17:44 (three years ago)
Pretty sure I'm good without ever knowing more about any of the Zodiac's regimens.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 17:50 (three years ago)
I've seen people suggest that Biden should grow a beard. He'd be the first since Benjamin Harrison, and the first with any facial hair since Taft.
Biden should grow a beard. It's been a century since a president sported any facial hair. The time is now. pic.twitter.com/rM6VSjUMn1— Mitchell Nagy (@mryannagy) November 12, 2020
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 19:02 (three years ago)
lol just imagining all the Duck Dynasty people immediately shaving
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 19:04 (three years ago)
Nah, all those assholes are rocking the Stonewall Jackson. Biden would have a tidy U.S. Grant beard.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 19:07 (three years ago)
https://media-cldnry.s-nbcnews.com/image/upload/t_fit-760w,f_auto,q_auto:best/streams/2013/October/131017/8C9410060-131017-ent-duckdynasty-hmed.jpg
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 19:10 (three years ago)
"You can bang the gavel all you want but I don't really care" -- Republicans are turning the Washington Commanders hearing into a circus. I guess we shouldn't be surprised they're doing the bidding of toxic men. pic.twitter.com/JSsfrZpOs0— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) June 22, 2022
"You can bang the gavel all you want but I don't really care"* for July thread title.
*or maybe "A TAMPON CRISIS!"
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 20:38 (three years ago)
I think the first option is a really good one!
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 20:43 (three years ago)
How about we end all this cutsie bs and just say, "I knew it was going to be bad, but it was worse than even that." Then we don't need a new fucking title every month is where my heads at right about now.
― Cabernet Frank (PBKR), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 22:08 (three years ago)
Sorry, that video just triggered me or something. Carry on.
― Cabernet Frank (PBKR), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 22:12 (three years ago)
Biden's approval among the youngest voters is 25% in the latest Quinnipiac poll, the lowest of any group but Republicans, and 30 points underwater. Somehow his obliteration among this huge, progressive group has merited scarcely a word of press coverage. https://t.co/SXvgziHL15 pic.twitter.com/0h6NI70Mqi— Will Stancil (@whstancil) June 22, 2022
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 22:22 (three years ago)
i wonder why, what an absolute mystery
― the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 22:25 (three years ago)
They should hang out in diners more often.
― Cabernet Frank (PBKR), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 22:49 (three years ago)
This is going to be great. We're going to get an uncontrolled experiment in how well "who else are you going to vote for" actually works.
― Cabernet Frank (PBKR), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 22:57 (three years ago)
Not fucking Biden
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 23:01 (three years ago)
Well, this is the segment I gotta canvass in November and in 2024. Wish me luck. Rattle the ice in your Negronis!
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 23:04 (three years ago)
Imagine being 24 years old right now, being told that you need to vote for a racist fossil human stand-in for a corporation in order to “save democracy.”
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 23:07 (three years ago)
racist fossil human stand-in for a corporation vs.racist fossil human stand-in that is a corporation
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 23:10 (three years ago)
What A World
World, hell, ymmv
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 23:12 (three years ago)
"Vote for us or else gas is going to be $5 a gallon and rent will increase 25% year over year."
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 23:16 (three years ago)
(yes, gas prices are not Biden or Democrats' fault - but we all know that doesn't actually matter)
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 23:17 (three years ago)
A great point that got lost in yesterday's hearing was that a big part of why there appeared to be discrepancy in the Georgia ballots was that many voters voted for every office and measure EXCEPT for President. And people's takeaway was fraud instead of both candidates sucking.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 23:18 (three years ago)
we all know that doesn't actually matter
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81NZ+SaFGTL.jpg
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 23:19 (three years ago)
Breaking news: The Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled today that boycotts are not protected by the First Amendment. @ACLU has confirmed it'll take the case to the Supreme Court, with huge implications for free speech in America.🧵— Julia Bacha (@juliabacha) June 22, 2022
heeeeey I wonder how this Supreme Court will rule
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 23:21 (three years ago)
Thanks for the confidence, all!
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 23:24 (three years ago)
If I was a Floridian I'd start working on personhood and citizenship for aquatic life and hope that can swing the state back to purple by 2050.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 23:26 (three years ago)
Manatees are definitely libs.
Quite helpful.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 23:29 (three years ago)
But but but Conservatives LOVE Boycotts!
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 23:29 (three years ago)
too little, too late for the Botha government
― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 22 June 2022 23:40 (three years ago)
Sorry, Alfred— the power of local elections is really important, much respect for your canvassing.But let’s be real: there’s no way to deny that the lack of enthusiasm for the guy in charge trickles down to local elections, too, and while that’s unfortunate, I also don’t blame the youth for feeling as they do.
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 23:44 (three years ago)
I don't either, and I had drinks last night with a 25-year-old who repeated some of these points; but to realize my age motivates me to say, "Biden's a doddering old man, but I've lived with GOP majorities in Congress, and shit's gonna get bad without the doddering old man and his Congress" is shattering, and to be paralyzed thinking this is my own old man shit is sobering.
To my mind Biden's done good, he would've done better with a Senate majority he didn't expect but nevertheless dominated by two jackanapes and their cowardly silent colleagues, but I think y'all forget how flash is the 21st century presidential mode. Obama was always glamorous, whatever his flaws, and my boy voted for him; Trump was loud, all the time, on Twitter or whatever. Biden owns being an fossil. That doesn't matter to me, not when the alternative was worse. My job is to persuade.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 June 2022 23:55 (three years ago)
On that 8th Circuit ruling: I'm not a lawyer, just a guy reading Twitter, but this seems like it's kind of at odds with the whole idea that "money is speech" undergirding Citizens United etc. Not that a wily strict constructionist can't find a way around it, of course.
The ruling, by Judge Kobes (a Trump appointee who received a “not qualified” ABA rating) claims that a boycott is simply economic activity, without expressive qualities. Kobes used to be the General Counsel for Senator Mike Rounds (SD), a co-sponsor of the federal anti-BDS law.— Julia Bacha (@juliabacha) June 22, 2022
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 23 June 2022 00:12 (three years ago)
xpost My job Yes indeed. Also, I've heard several interviews with this author, speaking of local initiative:
WasteOne Woman’s Fight Against America’s Dirty SecretCatherine Coleman FlowersWith a foreword by Bryan StevensonThe MacArthur grant–winning environmental justice activist’s riveting memoir of a life fighting for a cleaner future for America’s most vulnerable“To Flowers, the neglect of the sanitation problem in Lowndes County is as obvious an environmental injustice as the contamination of drinking water in Flint, Michigan.” —The New YorkerOne of Smithsonian magazine's Ten Best Science Books of 2020Catherine Coleman Flowers, a 2020 MacArthur “genius,” grew up in Lowndes County, Alabama, a place that’s been called “Bloody Lowndes” because of its violent, racist history. Once the epicenter of the voting rights struggle, today it’s Ground Zero for a new movement that is also Flowers’s life’s work—a fight to ensure human dignity through a right most Americans take for granted: basic sanitation. Too many people, especially the rural poor, lack an affordable means of disposing cleanly of the waste from their toilets and, as a consequence, live amid filth. Flowers calls this America’s dirty secret. In this “powerful and moving book” (Booklist), she tells the story of systemic class, racial, and geographic prejudice that foster Third World conditions not just in Alabama, but across America, in Appalachia, Central California, coastal Florida, Alaska, the urban Midwest, and on Native American reservations in the West.In this inspiring story of the evolution of an activist, from country girl to student civil rights organizer to environmental justice champion at Bryan Stevenson’s Equal Justice Initiative, Flowers shows how sanitation is becoming too big a problem to ignore as climate change brings sewage to more backyards—not only those of poor minorities.
The MacArthur grant–winning environmental justice activist’s riveting memoir of a life fighting for a cleaner future for America’s most vulnerable
“To Flowers, the neglect of the sanitation problem in Lowndes County is as obvious an environmental injustice as the contamination of drinking water in Flint, Michigan.” —The New Yorker
One of Smithsonian magazine's Ten Best Science Books of 2020
Catherine Coleman Flowers, a 2020 MacArthur “genius,” grew up in Lowndes County, Alabama, a place that’s been called “Bloody Lowndes” because of its violent, racist history. Once the epicenter of the voting rights struggle, today it’s Ground Zero for a new movement that is also Flowers’s life’s work—a fight to ensure human dignity through a right most Americans take for granted: basic sanitation. Too many people, especially the rural poor, lack an affordable means of disposing cleanly of the waste from their toilets and, as a consequence, live amid filth. Flowers calls this America’s dirty secret. In this “powerful and moving book” (Booklist), she tells the story of systemic class, racial, and geographic prejudice that foster Third World conditions not just in Alabama, but across America, in Appalachia, Central California, coastal Florida, Alaska, the urban Midwest, and on Native American reservations in the West.
In this inspiring story of the evolution of an activist, from country girl to student civil rights organizer to environmental justice champion at Bryan Stevenson’s Equal Justice Initiative, Flowers shows how sanitation is becoming too big a problem to ignore as climate change brings sewage to more backyards—not only those of poor minorities.
― dow, Thursday, 23 June 2022 00:16 (three years ago)
So, not hopeful, but some shit did just happen. FBI search warranted and seized the cell phone of Nevada's top GOP asshole (which implies evidence of criminality), DOJ subpoenaed the top GOP asshole in Georgia (same), Mo Brooks (having lost his Alabama race and supposedly retired from politics) reportedly *now* is open to cooperating with the J6 committee ...
Still, all these assholes, so close to jail, yet so far. Like, the Texas AG, hasn't he been under indictment for years? Literally seven years ago?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 23 June 2022 11:32 (three years ago)
Good news on a dark day:
On the 50th anniversary of Title IX, the Biden administration proposed sweeping changes to the landmark law that would bar schools, colleges and universities from discriminating against transgender students, a move that comes as the battle over transgender rights moves to the front lines of the culture war.
The proposal would extend the protections of Title IX, which prohibits schools that get federal funds from discriminating on the basis of sex, to transgender students, compelling schools to accommodate and protect them. This includes permitting them to use bathrooms that align with their gender identity, using their correct pronouns and addressing bullying based on their gender identity.
It would also amend the rules that govern how schools, colleges and universities investigate and resolve claims of sexual assault and sexual harassment. Over concerns that people were being wrongfully punished, President Donald Trump’s education secretary, Betsy DeVos, revised the rules to make them more accommodating to the accused. Critics assailed the changes, saying they would discourage sexual assault survivors from coming forward to report assaults or harassment.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 June 2022 15:15 (three years ago)
Where is my tiny violin?
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/23/trump-aides-book-00041620
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 23 June 2022 15:25 (three years ago)
Those Title IX rules are good, but how easily can they be thrown out by the next administration? (The whole administrative rule-making process baffles me.)
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 23 June 2022 15:27 (three years ago)
The memoir of Deborah Birx, the Covid response coordinator under Trump, has sold fewer than 6,000 copies;
i have made a pledge to stop typing or thinking "FUCK YOU!" in situations like this. yes, i have made that pledge and i am just noting that right now.
Ffffffffffriggin
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 June 2022 15:28 (three years ago)
Publishing companies will soon require a billionaire bulk-buyer to be on-board before publishing a political memoir
― rare lipstick or mohawks that somehow make them more valuable (President Keyes), Thursday, 23 June 2022 15:55 (three years ago)
Lol
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 23 June 2022 16:07 (three years ago)
A lot of this is down to timing, I think. Many of these books, if published while Trump was still president, would’ve done better.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 23 June 2022 16:08 (three years ago)
https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/22/gop-senator-considering-blocking-school-meal-funding-deal-over-transgender-policy-fight-00041366
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 23 June 2022 16:29 (three years ago)
There's a veiled implication that most of these anti-trans laws are there to 'protect the children' or 'stop grooming' or whatever, but this guy is ready to have all children go without free or reduced-price lunch to uphold his values... at least he's consistently anti-child
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 23 June 2022 16:49 (three years ago)
The fact that there are maybe 1000 real people who genuinely wanted to read Birx’s memoir is incomprehensible.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 23 June 2022 18:01 (three years ago)
https://c.tenor.com/eGd9bbtxjQ4AAAAd/dr-birx-stare.gif
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 June 2022 18:06 (three years ago)
that was one of the hardest moments of her life. having to stand there. watching that happen. struggling with whether to do say something publicly at the moment, or to keep it back for that best selling memoir
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 June 2022 18:22 (three years ago)
Hence the book, Karl. Buy it already!
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 June 2022 18:33 (three years ago)
Feds searched the home of Jeffrey Clark. Whole lotta searchin' goin' on.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 23 June 2022 18:41 (three years ago)
But could it not be said that we are all searching, Josh?
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 23 June 2022 18:57 (three years ago)
keeping the eye on the ball
New: The Biden administration plans to pay some "Havana Syndrome" victims roughly $100,000 to $200,000 each in compensation. US government still doesn't know the underlying cause of the mysterious ailments. W/ @John_Hudson https://t.co/n9BrFIqH9n— Shane Harris (@shaneharris) June 23, 2022
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Thursday, 23 June 2022 19:04 (three years ago)
my whole family suffers from Havana Syndrome, Mr Biden
-Neanderthal
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Thursday, 23 June 2022 19:07 (three years ago)
Someone should really do a Perlstein project about the democrats because my fucking god
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Thursday, 23 June 2022 19:09 (three years ago)
I'm havana syndrome right now
― Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Thursday, 23 June 2022 19:10 (three years ago)
Ooh na-na
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 23 June 2022 19:21 (three years ago)
Cicadas made it hard to sleep last night, can I get $5k?
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 23 June 2022 19:25 (three years ago)
Anyway, there’s a hearing on right now
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 23 June 2022 19:26 (three years ago)
Pun intended?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 23 June 2022 19:33 (three years ago)
Lol no (but I get it)
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 23 June 2022 19:41 (three years ago)
the names of the congress members who requested pardons WILL be REVEALED in today's hearing...
COMING UP!!
Committee vice chair Rep. Liz Cheney (R-WY) said that viewers can expect video testimony by three former Trump White House staffers at the close of today’s hearing.The video testimony, Cheney said, will identify members of Congress who contacted the Trump White House after Jan. 6 to seek presidential pardons.
The video testimony, Cheney said, will identify members of Congress who contacted the Trump White House after Jan. 6 to seek presidential pardons.
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 June 2022 19:45 (three years ago)
lol Rudy literally was looking to recruit an AG that was "not worried about his reputation."
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 23 June 2022 19:53 (three years ago)
Former Trump acting attorney general Richard Donoghue and former White House lawyer Eric Herschmann claimed in video testimony that they did not mince words when they spoke to Jeffrey Clark.“I said, good fucking — excuse me, sorry, fucking a-hole, congratulations, you just admitted your first step or act you would take as attorney general would be committing a felony and violating Rule 6(e),” Herschmann recalled telling Clark.Donoghue claimed that he pointed out Clark is “not even competent” to serve as attorney general, citing Clark’s lack of experience as a criminal attorney and in conducting a criminal investigations.Donoghue went on to claim that former White House counsel Pat Cipolllone called Clark’s never-sent draft letter that falsely declared the DOJ had found fraud a “murder-suicide pact” and said that he wanted nothing to do with
“I said, good fucking — excuse me, sorry, fucking a-hole, congratulations, you just admitted your first step or act you would take as attorney general would be committing a felony and violating Rule 6(e),” Herschmann recalled telling Clark.
Donoghue claimed that he pointed out Clark is “not even competent” to serve as attorney general, citing Clark’s lack of experience as a criminal attorney and in conducting a criminal investigations.
Donoghue went on to claim that former White House counsel Pat Cipolllone called Clark’s never-sent draft letter that falsely declared the DOJ had found fraud a “murder-suicide pact” and said that he wanted nothing to do with
it was a very even argument, good arguments on all sides, practically a tie
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 June 2022 19:56 (three years ago)
Acceptance of a pardon is a de facto admission of guilt - if somebody is innocent, there's no reason to pardon them
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 23 June 2022 19:59 (three years ago)
Yeah, you can't be pardoned for nothing. There has to be a there there.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 23 June 2022 20:00 (three years ago)
yeah, but they were just asking for them pardons, just throwing that out there as an idea. no big deal, just nice to have the promise of a pardon. you know. just in case...someone thinks you did some crimes and can prove that, somehow
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 June 2022 20:01 (three years ago)
who among does not have a couple pardons in their back pockets? when i meet important people i try to get them pretty much immediately. they'll be like "bla bla bla bla, i'm rich and important!" and i'll say, "beg your pardon?". 9 times out of 10 they heed my request, which i interpret as granting of a pardon, if that comes up in my life for some reason.
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 June 2022 20:03 (three years ago)
"excuse me, sorry, fucking a-hole, congratulations" for July thread title.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 23 June 2022 20:03 (three years ago)
Must be so weird to be all these behind the scenes career politicians and lawyers who spent their entire lives leading up to this moment where all these crooks and liars and idiots just swooped in and knee-capped their aspirations.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 23 June 2022 20:03 (three years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwOAGRWDnGc
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 23 June 2022 20:04 (three years ago)
Former acting deputy attorney General Richard Donoghue testified that he wanted to “cut through the noise” during a Dec. 27, 2020 meeting with Trump by being “very blunt” that the then-President’s bogus claims of election fraud were “simply not true.”After reiterating that Trump’s claims of massive election fraud lacked credibility, Donoghue noted that although there were “isolated incidents” of fraud, none of them were enough to question the results in any state.Donoghue then claimed that Trump told him: “Just say it was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republican congressmen.”
After reiterating that Trump’s claims of massive election fraud lacked credibility, Donoghue noted that although there were “isolated incidents” of fraud, none of them were enough to question the results in any state.
Donoghue then claimed that Trump told him: “Just say it was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republican congressmen.”
these would likely be some of the same republican congressmen who were asking for pardons, and later today will be telling everyone that they had no idea that their names were connected with a pardon and had nothing to do with it
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 June 2022 20:07 (three years ago)
“Someone broke into my account and sent an email asking for a pardon”
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 23 June 2022 20:08 (three years ago)
All these seditious dorks, isn't this spitball approach of just trying all sorts of stupid shit to see what sticks proof that they knew they didn't have a legal basis? Which is proof of criminal intent?
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 23 June 2022 20:08 (three years ago)
"If we didn't succeed, how can it possibly be a crime?"
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 23 June 2022 20:12 (three years ago)
whoa.. Sean Penn is attending the hearing
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 23 June 2022 20:15 (three years ago)
https://movie-fanatic-res.cloudinary.com/iu/s--5ejdNj7B--/t_full/cs_srgb,f_auto,fl_strip_profile.lossy,q_auto:420/v1364990932/jeff-spicoli.jpg
"You dick!"
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 23 June 2022 20:16 (three years ago)
some of the cronies outside of DOJ, outside of government entirely, I think, drafted a memo that they hoped to have DOJ send out, under DOJ's letterhead.
I know that happens constantly at a state level. ALEC basically writes the legislation of many red states, verbatim.
is that common at all within DOJ, to have an outside source draft a memo for them? The guy testifying now says that was "very unusual", but how "very unusual" is that? hopefully "very, very very unusual", perhaps 4 or 5 verys
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 June 2022 20:27 (three years ago)
looooooool remember when Trump wanted Barr to establish a special counsel to investigate the "stolen election", and barr refused to do it? trump had promised SIDNEY POWELL she would be that special counsel! this is sooooooooo duuuuuumb lol jfc
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 June 2022 20:29 (three years ago)
imagine putting sidney powell in charge of anything!!! anything at all!!!
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 June 2022 20:30 (three years ago)
is that common at all within DOJ, to have an outside source draft a memo for them?
In a word, no.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 June 2022 20:32 (three years ago)
it's satisfying to see them exposed and humiliated (for now), but really, all of this is a giant warning sign. you have to be THIS bad in order to finally face any accountability whatsoever for trying to steal the election in plain sight. and even then, it takes thousands of people storming a capitol and a bunch of white nationalists trying to murder pence before it even gets close to the point where they might be caught. this is a giant "do whatever the fuck you want, it's barely impossible to get caught" warning sign
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 June 2022 20:33 (three years ago)
is it barley possible to get caught or barely impossible to get caught? the typo speaks to how unlikely it is
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 June 2022 20:34 (three years ago)
barley possible = Best Brew Pub
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 23 June 2022 20:38 (three years ago)
"you guys may not be following the internet the same way i do" is my vote for next thread title. the worst person in the entire world said it
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 June 2022 20:42 (three years ago)
Yeah, my first thought was that was a quote for the ages.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 23 June 2022 20:44 (three years ago)
that's the primary role of the Commander in Chief, keeping his eyes on the World Wide Web to make sure there's no funny business
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 23 June 2022 20:50 (three years ago)
one thing I'm appreciating about these hearings is it's at least dismantling the usual Trump defense: "he's just a dumb asshole who doesn't know what laws he's breaking", seems like everyone told him this was idiotic and highly illegal and he's just like "yeah so what"
― frogbs, Thursday, 23 June 2022 20:51 (three years ago)
This is … really something.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 23 June 2022 20:53 (three years ago)
https://i.imgur.com/lth3LN9.png
it's just a minor thing, but Trump's team was so sure that Clark (a complete fool, getting clowned by everyone because he was so obviously incompetent) was going to replace Rosen at DOJ that they indicated so on the call log
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 June 2022 20:54 (three years ago)
World War 2 was going very badly for the allies. Suddenly, FDR noticed a theory on the internet about how the italians had tampered with the election in the united states. somehow, no one in the world had taken this theory secretly, until FDR noticed and brought it to the attention of his subordinates. he truly was the smartest, best man in the entire world
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 June 2022 20:56 (three years ago)
notice the timing of that call from Clark. this shit is why marijuana gets a bad name
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 June 2022 20:58 (three years ago)
I went from morning drive-thru cashier to CEO of McDonalds... it can happen
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 23 June 2022 21:00 (three years ago)
“I believe I should be on the pardon list, if …”
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 23 June 2022 21:14 (three years ago)
the list just came out. so SHOCKING to see names like Gaetz, Brooks, MJT, Gohmert, Biggs asking for everyone!
Wow, no one would ever suspect those other people because they have such good reputations
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 June 2022 21:18 (three years ago)
Tbf, Gaetz thought the pardon would be for other stuff too...
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 23 June 2022 21:20 (three years ago)
it feels like there should be an avalanche, any minute. a bunch of consequences, gears in motion. something happening, people leaving congress, whatever. something.
somehow, i think that tomorrow we'll wake up and it will be more of the same
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 June 2022 21:21 (three years ago)
xp yeah, they said he was asking about it back in Dec. guy needs a blanket pardon more than most
that little soundbite of Clark pleading the 5th, but also asserting 'executive privilege'? that was insane
Basically admitting he was working as personal counsel for the President, rather than DOJ
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 23 June 2022 21:22 (three years ago)
everyone in trump's orbit made that decision on some level. they all chose to serve trump and seek personal gain at the expense of the rest of the country
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 June 2022 21:24 (three years ago)
also Scott Perry (R-PA, up and comer whose name i don't recognize yet)
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 June 2022 21:26 (three years ago)
here's how it went down, for those who missed it:
White House officials testified that Matt Gaetz, Mo Brooks, Andy Biggs, Gohmert, and Perry wanted pardons, and Jordan and Greene were curious about them as well. pic.twitter.com/qzRpwCbVaB— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) June 23, 2022
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 June 2022 21:27 (three years ago)
'pardon curious'
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 23 June 2022 21:32 (three years ago)
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 23 June 2022 21:33 (three years ago)
Clark pled the 5th more than 125 times during his deposition
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 23 June 2022 21:34 (three years ago)
politicians will look up and shout 'PARDON US!'...and I'll look down and whisper 'Lol'.
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Thursday, 23 June 2022 22:23 (three years ago)
When someone on the ‘left’ side of the Democratic party is publicly making pronouncements like this, you know that the Overton Window has moved so far right that the party is completely irredeemable. Imho.
Law enforcement are often paid less than a living wage, and that is wrong.We must raise pay for officers and address violent crime as we work to build community trust and foster law enforcement accountability.— Stacey Abrams (@staceyabrams) June 23, 2022
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Friday, 24 June 2022 01:11 (three years ago)
hey cool if we raise their pay will they stop robbing civilians via civil forfeitures?
lol no of course not, only now instead of paying rent it will pay for racing stripes
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 June 2022 01:17 (three years ago)
you hate to see it, but that is a hard needle to thread in Georgia (v much incl Atlanta)
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Friday, 24 June 2022 01:18 (three years ago)
Yeah, Atlantans (especially, let's say, north of I-20) are squawking mightily about crime. Kemp is making it a campaign issue and, of course, branding the Democrats as "soft on crime."
A thoughtful approach would not default to "more police," but this is politics.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 24 June 2022 01:21 (three years ago)
I get it. It’s still shameful.
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Friday, 24 June 2022 01:26 (three years ago)
Countering "soft on crime" with "we love cops, don't we folks" is an incredibly ineffective strategy.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 24 June 2022 01:27 (three years ago)
She did have the wherewithal to pair better pay with community trust and police accountability.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 24 June 2022 01:28 (three years ago)
should have known that when the left managed a few victories in the Obama era (legalized gay marriage, "kinda" universal health care), that in exchange everything would turn into a John Milius movie a decade later.
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 June 2022 01:29 (three years ago)
cops get paid an enormous amount of money, that’s part of why it’s so frustrating: the basic premise is an absolute lie.
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Friday, 24 June 2022 01:30 (three years ago)
good reaction to 'soft on crime' would be "HEY COULD MAYBE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE CURRENTLY COPS ACTUALLY COP AT AN ACTIVE SHOOTER SCENARIO TARGETING AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL? or maybe quit leaving a domestic dispute by telling the battered woman "figure it out"? or not laugh at a rape victim? hmm? are these big asks?"
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 June 2022 01:31 (three years ago)
“Let me state a policy position based on an absolute lie, that ought to restore faith in me and my party.”
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Friday, 24 June 2022 01:33 (three years ago)
The bulk of the Georgia electorate does not care about these finer points. They see headlines about people getting shot in Buckhead in broad daylight and conclude that Something Must Be Done.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 24 June 2022 01:36 (three years ago)
I was a bit blind to how pervasive cop fetishism was in this country in my 20s.
then two years ago, the father of this kid defriended me over my criticisms of the police: https://www.mynews13.com/fl/orlando/news/2021/05/29/seminole-county-boy-runs-900-miles-in-honor-of-fallen-officers
we'd been very friendly previously, as he was a sweet man, but dude went down a thin blue line rabbit hole. and him indoctrinating his kid into this, well fuck
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 June 2022 01:36 (three years ago)
Yes, but the problem is that playing into that doesn't work for Democrats. Kinda like nominating a 'war hero' against a 'draft dodger' didn't matter.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 24 June 2022 01:44 (three years ago)
I agree, it makes the Democrats look like weak sauce Republicans. Not sure what the alternative is, though.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 24 June 2022 01:48 (three years ago)
A political party that didn't give up on ideas for improving the lives of citizens in 1977.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 24 June 2022 01:58 (three years ago)
In 2022, such a party would be doomed to obscurity.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 24 June 2022 02:00 (three years ago)
Biden, in a statement on the Supreme Court guns decision sent to reporters by email: "I call on Americans across the country to make their voices heard on gun safety. Lives are on the line."— Edward-Isaac Dovere (@IsaacDovere) June 23, 2022
You Guys Should Definitely Do Something About It is a bold midterm strategy.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 24 June 2022 02:10 (three years ago)
OK, I won't do something about it.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 June 2022 02:16 (three years ago)
Alfred, you must admit that there is something funny about the President of the United States saying “someone should do something about all the problems.”
― Antifa Sandwich Artist (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 24 June 2022 03:06 (three years ago)
look buddy you took the damn job
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 24 June 2022 03:48 (three years ago)
gonna have to convince God to smite down 2 Supreme Court justices
― frogbs, Friday, 24 June 2022 03:54 (three years ago)
i think we should all know by now that you have to be really specific when you make requests like that to god. now he's going to kill two more liberal wing justices, just to make a point about that, great
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, 24 June 2022 03:57 (three years ago)
this holiday season, every decision is 8-1
well that's assuming Biden nominates right wing judges which...I mean, it's not written in stone
― frogbs, Friday, 24 June 2022 03:58 (three years ago)
Have Americans across the country made their voices heard on any other issues ibe
― Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Friday, 24 June 2022 04:51 (three years ago)
“someone should do something about all the problems.”
I'm not saying he's remotely doing as much as he should or even nearly enough, but is he not in this instance asking the non-gun-o-sexual majority of America to voice its fear and disgust of these weapons to drown the NRA-funded and amplified pro-gun minority? The bully pulpit is one thing but it's also helpful and important for the congregation to speak as well.
― politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Friday, 24 June 2022 09:47 (three years ago)
Like surely there are enough things to argue over what he actually says without thoroughly mistranslating/misquoting what he says for another murderously cynical ILX post?
People have been making their voices heard on the issue for years, and little has been done, so his statement is a platitude.Acting as if our cynicism hasn’t been earned is a neat trick, but it won’t work.
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Friday, 24 June 2022 11:20 (three years ago)
That's precisely why it doesn't offend me. Platitudes be platitudes.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 June 2022 11:54 (three years ago)
oops I just posted that same Abrams tweet to the dem party direction thread. what's especially galling/remarkable imo is the contrast in detail & quantification in here two "plans."
Plan to give cops more budget:
Here’s how I plan to do this:✅ Raise base salary for state officers to $50k/year✅ Provide grants to localities to support increased salary for local law enforcement✅ Secure mental health support for law enforcement✅ Invest in expanded training and collaborative support
✅ Raise base salary for state officers to $50k/year✅ Provide grants to localities to support increased salary for local law enforcement✅ Secure mental health support for law enforcement✅ Invest in expanded training and collaborative support
Plan for accountability:
Here’s how I plan to do this (1/2):✅ Develop guidelines for police department policies that govern community relations and transparency✅ Partner with the Georgia Peace Officers Standards and Training Program to fortify training standards✅ Require accountability for unlawful violence and misconduct ✅ Provide and maintain a statewide database of officers dismissed for violation of standards to help other law enforcement agencies make informed hiring decisions
✅ Develop guidelines for police department policies that govern community relations and transparency✅ Partner with the Georgia Peace Officers Standards and Training Program to fortify training standards✅ Require accountability for unlawful violence and misconduct ✅ Provide and maintain a statewide database of officers dismissed for violation of standards to help other law enforcement agencies make informed hiring decisions
So cops get material support and the people they terrorize get bureaucracy. I understand the electoral political situation (it's been a while but I lived in GA for 6 years), but comparing these two plans it's clearly not the deciding factor. These plans communicate values, if it was political theater masking an actual critique of the police, the former would be the symbolic plan and the latter the material one.
― rob, Friday, 24 June 2022 12:42 (three years ago)
the (I would have thought obvious) problem with Biden's tweet is that people have already been doing that to no avail
― rob, Friday, 24 June 2022 12:43 (three years ago)
And Roe has fallen.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 June 2022 14:16 (three years ago)
In a solo concurring opinion, Thomas says the court should reconsider rulings that protect contraception, same-sex relationships, and same-sex marriage. pic.twitter.com/zcQNko6NVR— Matt Ford (@fordm) June 24, 2022
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Friday, 24 June 2022 14:17 (three years ago)
so are we the first country to ever take abortion rights away or what
― frogbs, Friday, 24 June 2022 14:24 (three years ago)
What's the tipping point at which international corporations pull out of the US because their employees can't get proper medical care and there are guns everywhere?
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 24 June 2022 14:31 (three years ago)
Poland and Nicaragua xp
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 24 June 2022 14:43 (three years ago)
I forget what are Manchinema's abortion views. The House and Senate could pass a bill this weekend and get it to the president's desk ensuring abortion is federally protected. Right?
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 June 2022 14:46 (three years ago)
they support a woman's right to choose, but also acknowledge that a senator's sacred right to a filibuster is even more important to protect
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Friday, 24 June 2022 14:47 (three years ago)
it's more important that the filibuster is protected, very sorry
― in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Friday, 24 June 2022 14:48 (three years ago)
I keep thinking about how, with two months notice that this ruling was coming, the democratic-controlled congress not only *didn't* codify abortion rights, but overwhelmingly passed a security bill protecting these SCOTUS justices— The Beverly of Cheverly (@NickoGallo) June 24, 2022
― frogbs, Friday, 24 June 2022 14:48 (three years ago)
very important to ensure their security, also very important that everyone can conceal carry
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Friday, 24 June 2022 14:49 (three years ago)
what happens when the ruling court of the land does not represent the majority of its citizens?
― "Why is the voice of reason treated as the unreliable narrator?", asked (Austin), Friday, 24 June 2022 14:56 (three years ago)
― Antifa Sandwich Artist (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 24 June 2022 14:58 (three years ago)
_so are we the first country to ever take abortion rights away or what_Poland, I think.
― Antifa Sandwich Artist (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 24 June 2022 14:59 (three years ago)
anyone know of any orgs that are helping women who need to travel for abortions? i wanna be down.
― "Why is the voice of reason treated as the unreliable narrator?", asked (Austin), Friday, 24 June 2022 14:59 (three years ago)
Yeah. The Warren Court was a historical aberration.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 June 2022 15:01 (three years ago)
you forgot poland
― in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Friday, 24 June 2022 15:02 (three years ago)
Poland is a historical aberration.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 June 2022 15:07 (three years ago)
This is something that @jbouie and @rtraister have both been writing about. The gap between the Democratic leadership, and younger progressives on the question of “How Bad Is It?” is just *enormous*. https://t.co/Y9TIhbH8sN— Chris Hayes (@chrislhayes) June 24, 2022
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 June 2022 15:09 (three years ago)
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Friday, 24 June 2022 15:15 (three years ago)
― gyac, Friday, 24 June 2022 15:17 (three years ago)
be extra careful if you're in a state which has deputized their citizens to sue anyone helping someone get an abortion across state lines. already happened in TX, and there's legislation modeled off of that in other states that will be rubber stamped soon.
not to deter you -- those awful laws make it even _more_ important to help women travel across state lines in their time of desperation
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Friday, 24 June 2022 15:20 (three years ago)
The gap... is just *enormous*
Old people have spent a lifetime adapting themselves to the status quo. As a generality, even when they hate the way things are they tend to be more comfortable with slow change than with the idea of upending the status quo and having to cope with radical changes in their waning years.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 24 June 2022 15:20 (three years ago)
How?― gyac, Friday, June 24, 2022
Terrible joke.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 June 2022 15:22 (three years ago)
tbf, Poland has spent more time not existing than existing.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 24 June 2022 15:23 (three years ago)
my mother's ob/gyn, who also worked at a clinic that provided abortions, was shot to death in his own home after returning from a memorial service for his father. the anti abortion movement responded by holding pro life rallies in the area in the days following his murder. https://t.co/KzQ027u2yl— mark (@kept_simple) June 24, 2022
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 24 June 2022 15:44 (three years ago)
― Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Friday, 24 June 2022 15:46 (three years ago)
― brimstead, Friday, 24 June 2022 15:53 (three years ago)
"If Republicans win the House and Senate and White House in two years, they'll impose a national abortion ban!", said the elected Democrat in the currently Democratic-controlled Senate, without clarifying what he'll do in the next 2 years to try and stop that shit from happening.— Josh Spiegel (@mousterpiece) June 24, 2022
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Friday, 24 June 2022 16:00 (three years ago)
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi reads a poem in reaction to SCOTUS overturning Roe v. Wade. pic.twitter.com/tEFDbgR04M— The Recount (@therecount) June 24, 2022
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 24 June 2022 16:07 (three years ago)
Fucking insane.
― Salvador Dalí Mini-Me (PBKR), Friday, 24 June 2022 16:10 (three years ago)
Insane that she didn't do what? Brandished an AR-15 she purchased hours earlier and promised to "waste their fucking conservative majority asses"?
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 24 June 2022 16:16 (three years ago)
Sorry. I'm just having a hard time keeping up with the changing standards of what's insane and what isn't.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 24 June 2022 16:17 (three years ago)
Yes, we can see that.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 24 June 2022 16:18 (three years ago)
Heartwarming: This woman's political rivals rolled the clock back to 1972 so she wouldn't be disoriented about where in time she thinks she is. https://t.co/gix5fJjLQv— man it’s a hot zone, (@Mobute) June 24, 2022
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Friday, 24 June 2022 16:18 (three years ago)
Let me guess - a poem by Bono.
This just sucks.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 24 June 2022 16:18 (three years ago)
Doesn't have to be full-blown insane to be outrageously inane.
how about: insane that she backed Henry Cuellar over Jessica Cisneros
― rob, Friday, 24 June 2022 16:18 (three years ago)
Can she get Bono to write her a poem about how profoundly she wishes the Republican Party become stronger
― Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Friday, 24 June 2022 16:18 (three years ago)
Joe Manchin: "I trusted Justice Gorsuch and Justice Kavanaugh when they testified under oath that they also believed Roe v. Wade was settled legal precedent and I am alarmed they chose to reject the stability the ruling has provided for two generations of Americans."— Arthur Delaney 🇺🇸 (@ArthurDelaneyHP) June 24, 2022
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 24 June 2022 16:19 (three years ago)
I have … a few choice words for Joe Manchin.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 24 June 2022 16:19 (three years ago)
― Salvador Dalí Mini-Me (PBKR), Friday, June 24, 2022 12:10 PM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, June 24, 2022 12:16 PM (forty seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink
Please shut up.
― Salvador Dalí Mini-Me (PBKR), Friday, 24 June 2022 16:22 (three years ago)
Manchin needs to be spat on at his own home
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 June 2022 16:22 (three years ago)
Manchin needs to be spat on at burned out of his own home
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 24 June 2022 16:26 (three years ago)
Hmm looks like this thread a real contender to take on Twitter for shittiest hot takes. Gotta say “please shut up”, “STFU leftists/libs” or some variation thereof seem like the favorites.
― recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Friday, 24 June 2022 16:30 (three years ago)
You don't have to guess. There's a link.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 24 June 2022 16:30 (three years ago)
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Friday, 24 June 2022 16:33 (three years ago)
these aren't 'hot takes', these are real, emotional reactions.
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 June 2022 16:35 (three years ago)
I just posted a link on my FB to CNN's live Roe v Wade feed with a string of curse words. Seems like the best response to this.
― Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Friday, 24 June 2022 16:41 (three years ago)
I know it's hard to accept rn, but the best solution to shitty democrats is more democrats.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 24 June 2022 16:46 (three years ago)
The best of bad solutions I should say, but still the best option we have.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 24 June 2022 16:47 (three years ago)
Like focusing your ire on Joe Manchin or Nancy Pelosi as though it is their individual shittiness that explains why we are here and not the extremely fragile and weak power that the Democrats tenuously hold right now is a real waste of energy. Give the Democrats a few more seats in the senate and the shittiest ones either matter less or get pulled toward them.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 24 June 2022 16:49 (three years ago)
I don't know how many of you are sitting in offices unable to move.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 June 2022 16:55 (three years ago)
not sure how old you are man alive but some of us have been sold this bullshit story by right wing "liberals" for way too long to believe it any more
― Harry Styles and fashion (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 June 2022 16:57 (three years ago)
To realize I'll leave and see my neighbors and relatives, the enemies who vote based on the assumption that they can sever what I do from what I am.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 June 2022 16:57 (three years ago)
Xp to man alive: As if that individual shittiness is completely unrelated to the extremely fragile and weak power.
― Salvador Dalí Mini-Me (PBKR), Friday, 24 June 2022 16:59 (three years ago)
I have female American friends and right now I’m watching American women on social media panicking that their period tracker apps can be subpoenaed to prosecute them so the “b-b-b-but! Incrementalism!!!!” isn’t cutting much ice with me atm.
― gyac, Friday, 24 June 2022 17:02 (three years ago)
Literally don’t understand how you can be like, this is why voting still matters when people voted to avoid this exact outcome and it still happened even with a months notice.
― gyac, Friday, 24 June 2022 17:04 (three years ago)
Like focusing your ire on Joe Manchin or Nancy Pelosi as though it is their individual shittiness that explains why we are here and not the extremely fragile and weak power that the Democrats tenuously holddo you think Pelosi should have campaigned harder for Cuellar, called more frequently for the Republican Party to be restored and strengthened, briefed more explicitly against Ocasio-Cortez and Jayapal, or that she did these things sufficiently well?
― Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Friday, 24 June 2022 17:09 (three years ago)
even with a months notice.They voted to protect the homes of the Justices with a month’s notice, don’t worry.
― Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Friday, 24 June 2022 17:10 (three years ago)
But don’t be mean to Nancy! I’m sure she’s signing off on a feisty fundraising email rn
― gyac, Friday, 24 June 2022 17:11 (three years ago)
one thing Nancy Pelosi knows: they are about to rake in some $$$
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Friday, 24 June 2022 17:12 (three years ago)
lot of fighting needs to be taken to the state level now, since we've been abandoned at the federal level.
there are only 20 states that have abortion rights codified into state Constitution, 2 of which have already vowed to revisit the issue this year (Alaska and Kansas).
Everywhere else, there's either a trigger law that makes it illegal now (Missouri, who signed their ban into law today), within the next 30 days, or they have heavily restrictive laws on the books that would have been illegal prior to today, or it's technically legal but no right codified into the state Constitution. Abortion rights hanging in the balance in many states.
In my state, it's legal, but there's a 15-week ban that previously wouldn't have been legal that is now on the books and begins in a week, and I have no confidence that they won't revisit and try for an outright ban.
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 June 2022 17:14 (three years ago)
Pelosi is just the young, hungry, energetic leader we need for that fight.
― Salvador Dalí Mini-Me (PBKR), Friday, 24 June 2022 17:16 (three years ago)
― Antifa Sandwich Artist (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 24 June 2022 17:19 (three years ago)
Manchin: I trusted Justice Gorsuch and Justice Kavanaugh when they testified under oath that they also believed Roe v. Wade was settled legal precedent...
you got played, bro
― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 24 June 2022 17:20 (three years ago)
I don’t think the fight is at the state level. Those states are lost. The fight should be against the total federal abortion ban that republicans will introduce and likely pass within the next 2 years.
― Salvador Dalí Mini-Me (PBKR), Friday, 24 June 2022 17:22 (three years ago)
yes, let's not fight the fights that need fighting now, let's solely gear up for the one in the next two years (when we could do both at the same time).
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 June 2022 17:23 (three years ago)
like, people you know may need abortions in the next year.
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 June 2022 17:24 (three years ago)
my friend just had a pregnancy scare and was freaked out this morning (rightfully so). it would have been legal for her to come home and get one, but fast forward half a year and maybe not.
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 June 2022 17:25 (three years ago)
As protesters can be heard in the back chanting outside SCOTUS, House Democrats sing “God Bless America.” pic.twitter.com/MjW0cSZ6nY— Farnoush Amiri (@FarnoushAmiri) June 24, 2022
Cue Curb Your Enthusiasm theme
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 24 June 2022 17:29 (three years ago)
shut the fuck up― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Friday, June 24, 2022 11:33 AM (fifty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
I don’t always agree with table, but today is that day I guess
Shut the fuck up
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 24 June 2022 17:34 (three years ago)
― gyac, Friday, June 24, 2022 1:02 PM (twenty-eight minutes ago)
I just want to highlight this. Every American should delete these apps immediately. Frankly I'd advise anyone anywhere to do the same as they have a history of collecting and selling data they shouldn't, BUT more to the point law enforcement can subpoena your data even if the app company is not itself evil.
If hearing this from a cis man is annoying (fair), listen to Gina Neff:
I say this as someone who writes about the politics and economics of self-tracking: delete those fertility apps now.— Prof Gina Neff (@ginasue) June 24, 2022
― rob, Friday, 24 June 2022 17:36 (three years ago)
I was reading a bit about that - because it was a level of dystopian I hadn’t considered - and clue, I think one of the more popular apps has said that its data cannot be subpoenaed because it’s stored outside the US and subject to GDPR.??? But this thread was horrifying about the scope of such intrusions and where they could go:
If your only advice around cyber security and privacy in the reproductive justice space is to tell ppl to delete their period apps, politely, tap out of the conversation.— Comorienne 🇰🇲 (@_ShamGod) June 24, 2022
― gyac, Friday, 24 June 2022 17:43 (three years ago)
iirc Clue is indeed one of the better of these apps, but IANAL and can't comment on whether US citizen data would be protected or not.
But yes I wouldn't end the conversation at deleting these apps. I have this open in another tab but haven't had the stomach to read it yet: https://www.stopspying.org/pregnancy-panopticon
― rob, Friday, 24 June 2022 17:53 (three years ago)
ot sure how old you are man alive but some of us have been sold this bullshit story by right wing "liberals" for way too long to believe it any more
― Harry Styles and fashion (Noodle Vague), Friday, June 24, 2022 11:57 AM (fifty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
When Democrats had sufficient majorities, they nominated center to liberal justices. When we had a center to liberal majority, we got Roe, Obgerfell, etc. When we lost the majority we got conservative justices. This is just the truth, it's not about whether liberals are "fake" it's what happened.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 24 June 2022 17:59 (three years ago)
Perhaps that should be a lesson on relying on anti-democratic institution rather than legislating and governing.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 24 June 2022 18:00 (three years ago)
institutions
There's a multi billion dollar industry around knowing when women are pregnant. Something related — a package full of baby-related coupons arriving in the mail a few days before his daughter's first birthday — kicked off The Naked Consumer, a book about marketing as surveillance that I read in 1994.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 24 June 2022 18:01 (three years ago)
its such an endlessly frustrating situation. I can't even get too mad at the Dems for all those "the future of democracy is at stake!" emails because you know what? they're right. but they're gonna get killed unless they do something besides recite fucking poems. they had months to prepare for this. if they fumble the ball on something the nation overwhelmingly wants I can't blame the youth for not showing up.
― frogbs, Friday, 24 June 2022 18:08 (three years ago)
My thoughts on the Supreme Court's decision to overturn Roe v. Wade. pic.twitter.com/9ALSbapHDY— Michelle Obama (@MichelleObama) June 24, 2022
apparently this must be a wake up call to young people. great stuff.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 24 June 2022 18:08 (three years ago)
good take on the tracking stuff
Unregulated technology allows many, many ways for law enforcement *or* vigilantes to identify and hunt down women suspected of being pregnant.My new essay explains why avoiding this as an individual—by deleting apps or being careful—will not be feasible.https://t.co/x7JKB0CzRl pic.twitter.com/e75yW9Wtc3— zeynep tufekci (@zeynep) May 19, 2022
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 24 June 2022 18:09 (three years ago)
(i.e. telling people to delete clue is like telling people to delete their facebook account. yes, they should, but that doesn't come close to fixing the problem.)
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 24 June 2022 18:10 (three years ago)
Can I say I identify as a corporation and therefore do not need to obey any laws that threaten my bottom line?
― Infanta Terrible (j.lu), Friday, 24 June 2022 18:12 (three years ago)
I get what you're saying caek (and Tufecki, who has been saying it for a while), but if it's not clear, I a) want people to take whatever small steps *today* that they can do easily and b) don't expect any data privacy or tech regulations to be passed in the US anytime soon...though tbf I may have missed something as I actively try not to follow US political news as closely as I used to. I do know there are a few bills kicking around, I just assume they're all dead in the Senate
― rob, Friday, 24 June 2022 18:21 (three years ago)
if they fumble the ball on something the nation overwhelmingly wants I can't blame the youth for not showing up.
If "the youth" stop voting, I expect direct action. And by that I mean firebombings and assassinations. If the system is a lost cause, then carry that logic to its natural endpoint and show me Clarence and Ginni Thomas decapitated on video. Either participate in the system, or contribute materially to its destruction. Otherwise, you're just making excuses for your own laziness.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 24 June 2022 18:25 (three years ago)
I mean, if this country really is the failed state it shows every indication of being, what's the logic behind continuing to prop it up, other than cowardice and purest self-interest?
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 24 June 2022 18:27 (three years ago)
Two words:
Burner phones
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 24 June 2022 18:29 (three years ago)
not morally opposed to violence but man the libs are not going to win that one. not just because they are massively outgunned on a per citizen basis, but when it pops off the state is always going to side with the right. i mean, it just will. idc which ossified democrat filling his or her depends is sitting in the Oval or reading bono poems on the floor of the House. Anyway, good luck USA
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Friday, 24 June 2022 18:36 (three years ago)
general strike for monday already making the rounds on reddit. i want everyone to participate, regardless of how much you like your place of work. this is wrong and broken and things need to stop for the majority to recognize it.
― "Why is the voice of reason treated as the unreliable narrator?", asked (Austin), Friday, 24 June 2022 18:42 (three years ago)
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, June 24, 2022 1:01 PM
You can't even buy towels at Target without triggering some of this crap.
― pplains, Friday, 24 June 2022 18:43 (three years ago)
A general strike would be a great idea, except I can only dream of a USA that's organized enough to call a general strike that wouldn't call more attention to its weakness than act as a show of strength.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 24 June 2022 18:48 (three years ago)
gen strike would be amazing.sex strike would be p interesting too but then I remember oh yeah a slight majority of white women voted for Trump and that number only edged up in 2020 iirc
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Friday, 24 June 2022 18:55 (three years ago)
The most astonishing thing to me continues to be the women who loudly and publicly and repeatedly announce, "No, I don't think I should be an equal member of society, and I don't think other women should, either."
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 24 June 2022 18:59 (three years ago)
ok fuck
People seeking abortions are going to be surveilled through their phones. But when I began researching the issue earlier this year, I realized many pregnant women were being arrested because of something else: a loophole in HIPAA https://t.co/VnJDUQZxfv pic.twitter.com/b5ZLb9EQP4— Louise Matsakis (@lmatsakis) June 24, 2022
― rob, Friday, 24 June 2022 19:04 (three years ago)
at least a lot of people who would have been happy about this choked to death on a ventilator last year while their wife begged for money on facebook— 🦁🐒 (@Lowenaffchen) June 24, 2022
― frogbs, Friday, 24 June 2022 19:05 (three years ago)
this is good. wonder how many other companies will follow suit.
The CEO of Dick’s Sporting Goods on LinkedIn pic.twitter.com/maqYINYSUQ— Matt Lindner (@mattlindner) June 24, 2022
― frogbs, Friday, 24 June 2022 19:19 (three years ago)
Walt Disney World has offered to pay for its employees to go out of state to acquire abortion as of an hour or two ago.
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 June 2022 19:23 (three years ago)
America, where we rely on sporting good stores to help us get healthcare
A general strike would be a great idea, except I can only dream of a USA that's organized enough to call a general strike that wouldn't call more attention to its weakness than act as a show of strength.― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, June 24, 2022 11:48 AM
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, June 24, 2022 11:48 AM
fuck organizing. just don't go to work. when your boss calls to ask what happened, politely explain that a country without basic human rights isn't safe for humans anymore so you're staying home. that simple. no more questions, thanks for understanding, see you when it gets sorted. have a nice day.
would it cause interruptions in day to day comforts? of course it would. but a lot less than sticking in the holding pattern while full fascism slides in and royally fucks us all. expose the weakness. exploit it.
― "Why is the voice of reason treated as the unreliable narrator?", asked (Austin), Friday, 24 June 2022 19:26 (three years ago)
A real post from Donald Trump Jr. on Truth Social, if you're wondering what this is really about to the ex-president's family. pic.twitter.com/ALccPVnUMK— Ben Collins (@oneunderscore__) June 24, 2022
― StanM, Friday, 24 June 2022 19:27 (three years ago)
Roe v. Wade is the law of the land, and we must fight any and all attempts to overturn it. As president, I will codify Roe into law and ensure this choice remains between a woman and her doctor. https://t.co/kaJbYWcYhL— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) October 5, 2019
― Harry Styles and fashion (Noodle Vague), Friday, 24 June 2022 19:32 (three years ago)
Cool I already took Monday off 😎
― Antifa Sandwich Artist (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 24 June 2022 19:34 (three years ago)
seeing video of police in full riot gear rolling up on the capitol building.
fuck this country.
― "Why is the voice of reason treated as the unreliable narrator?", asked (Austin), Friday, 24 June 2022 19:34 (three years ago)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWCpdrJUYAAfFIS?format=png&name=large
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 24 June 2022 19:36 (three years ago)
The follow-up, wow.
He deleted lol pic.twitter.com/36HVg94qvr— cryptid (@cryptid04780551) June 24, 2022
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 24 June 2022 19:42 (three years ago)
chuds w zip ties scale capitol walls and physically assault out precious blue lives - I sleepsaw some mean tweets about the Supremes - riot gear and vans
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Friday, 24 June 2022 19:43 (three years ago)
our precious*
They welcome political violence. They just might get it.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 24 June 2022 19:46 (three years ago)
fuck organizing.
I guess that's the American way of life. good luck with that.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 24 June 2022 20:20 (three years ago)
Oh there's some organizing going on...
Sen. Josh Hawley calls the abortion ruling a watershed moment in American politics. He says he thinks there will be a sorting out in where people live and in voting patterns that he thinks will benefit Republicans with the electoral college.— Daniel Desrochers (@drdesrochers) June 24, 2022
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Friday, 24 June 2022 20:30 (three years ago)
Apparently even Trump himself was privately worried about this firing up the suburban women's vote
― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 24 June 2022 20:36 (three years ago)
I don't think abortion access is going to make California or New York more affordable for people in Kentucky.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Friday, 24 June 2022 20:58 (three years ago)
or, say, Mississippi
― WmC, Friday, 24 June 2022 20:59 (three years ago)
Lubbock, TX, to Tupelo, MS, is nearly 900 miles, and soon there won't be an abortion clinic that whole stretch https://t.co/NdnNyejQxi— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) June 24, 2022
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 24 June 2022 21:00 (three years ago)
And there's no reason to expect that not to stretch all the way to South Carolina, ASAP. (Though I guess Georgia depends on this year's election.)
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 24 June 2022 21:06 (three years ago)
I guess that's the American way of life. good luck with that.― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, June 24, 2022 1:20 PM
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, June 24, 2022 1:20 PM
get what you're saying, but this requires immediate response with impact. signs and shit obviously don't do a damn thing.
don't talk about it, be about it.
(also stay home where the cops can't beat the shit out of you)
― "Why is the voice of reason treated as the unreliable narrator?", asked (Austin), Friday, 24 June 2022 21:07 (three years ago)
what's the lowest cost of living state that is unlikely to outlaw abortion (until it's banned federally the next time we have a republican trifecta)? new mexico?
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 24 June 2022 21:18 (three years ago)
yeah gotta be NM.
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Friday, 24 June 2022 21:21 (three years ago)
it’s definitely the poorest “safe” blue state
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Friday, 24 June 2022 21:22 (three years ago)
Probably not lowest cost of living, but I've been pondering whether Maryland or Delaware may at least be reasonable alternatives to Texas if it becomes time to bail.
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Friday, 24 June 2022 21:25 (three years ago)
i'm just thinking out loud here. i realize moving isn't an option for most people.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 24 June 2022 21:32 (three years ago)
This thread title proved all too accurate.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 24 June 2022 21:34 (three years ago)
That's why I like the silly ones.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 24 June 2022 21:38 (three years ago)
nobody's going to make a dent in Texas, but if a bunch of people did the opposite and moved to less populous red-leaning states, we'd possibly have this shit locked out
then again, maybe people would move and adopt the local politics
― mh, Friday, 24 June 2022 21:44 (three years ago)
not sure mass migration for electoral purposes is a workable strategy, given the American left's less than legendary organizational skills
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 24 June 2022 21:49 (three years ago)
I wonder how many high skill and/or tech-y businesses will just straight up leave these states. Like, with an activist rightwing Supreme Court removing federal protections and red states going hog wild with that, uh, “freedom” I can’t imagine it’s going to be easy attracting talent to an area that seems determined to return to the Stone Age.
― circa1916, Friday, 24 June 2022 21:56 (three years ago)
While I’m loathe to give too much credit to corporations, I do think that a substantial backlash will come from corps. If they try to touch gay marriage, for example, or relegate the issue to the states, there will be mass exoduses of talent and knowledge that corporations cannot survive without, just as they know that they cannot survive if many if their employees cannot access healthcare properly.
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Friday, 24 June 2022 22:00 (three years ago)
agreed
― thinkmanship (sleeve), Friday, 24 June 2022 22:02 (three years ago)
It’s so wild that these fascist fossils are so upset about losing their grip on power that they’re willing to further immiserate their constituents. You think anyone with half a fucking brain will want to visit some of these places now, much less move their skills and families? The hollowing out of the American Heartland started with neoliberal practices and corporate consolidation, and it will continue to be hollowed out by the Christofascist spite of a bunch of small-minded idiots.
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Friday, 24 June 2022 22:07 (three years ago)
sad that relying on corporate interests is like the only thing approaching hope at this point. and honestly whatever mealymouth admonishments or threats or they make in the near term most of these corporations will still be giving money 2022 & 2024 to the very republicans ushering in this hellworld
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Friday, 24 June 2022 22:08 (three years ago)
Hawley's theory sounds like wishful thinking to me. Very few people are just going to pick up and move the second the laws get changed for the shittier, and a lot can happen in state politics before things reach the point of significant migration. In any case, I damn sure hope democrats get that they need to focus on the states more than ever now. Part of why we are in this position is their failure to do that.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 24 June 2022 22:09 (three years ago)
You think anyone with half a fucking brain will want to visit some of these places now, much less move their skills and families?Land votes, ppl don’t.
― Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Friday, 24 June 2022 22:09 (three years ago)
My friend, who is somewhat dopey politically, had an Eeyore moment after same-sex marriage was federally legalized in 2012. He posted how he felt like this was going to be a red line and that conservatives were out for blood, they would eventually get power back and get their revenge and erode a lot of our freedom.
Stopped clock et al but naive me thought we were on a leftward drift and it wouldn't happen.
It started in less than a fucking decade.
I keep remembering the moment I woke up the day after election day, 2016, and has I known the full scope of what was coming, might have wound up comatose. I mean it was obvious it would be bad but the ramifications won't be spent in MY fucking lifetime.
And Manchin still will vote no to end filibuster or expand court after he got easily duped
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 June 2022 22:14 (three years ago)
Few people can AFFORD to move. If you live paycheck to paycheck, even if you have a new job or the same job lined up in the new state, do you have the $1000+ to move all your shit across state lines, miss several days of work, etc
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 June 2022 22:17 (three years ago)
Trust me when I say I know that.
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Friday, 24 June 2022 22:25 (three years ago)
Remember that Gorsuch, Kavanaugh and Browning were lawyers long before they were judges.
"When I said 'Roe is settled law' I didn't lie. I only meant it was settled law at the moment that you asked me. I never said it would remain settled law. Gosh! Nobody knows what the future might hold."
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 24 June 2022 22:28 (three years ago)
after he got easily dupedoh sure, that’s what happened
― Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Friday, 24 June 2022 22:53 (three years ago)
Few people can AFFORD to move. I
Can't be posted enough
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 24 June 2022 22:59 (three years ago)
xpost I gather that there were implied scare quotes in that post.
― When the Pain That You Feel is the Bite of an Eel, That's a Moray (Old Lunch), Friday, 24 June 2022 23:00 (three years ago)
Oh I know tabes, I forgot to write an xpost but my response was to someone upthread.
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Friday, 24 June 2022 23:00 (three years ago)
in downtown Portland for work this month and there are definitely some PBs slinking around downtown this afternoon, sketch as all hell. NOT FEELIN GREAT ABOUT IT
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Saturday, 25 June 2022 00:35 (three years ago)
Can’t say they’re not on top of things
I’ve gotten six fundraising emails from Democrat candidates today. It’s tacky and highlights a real disconnect between many politicians and their constituents that is only growing.— roxane gay (@rgay) June 25, 2022
― papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 25 June 2022 01:12 (three years ago)
Yeah, the texts and emails have ratcheted up, but I’d expected that.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 25 June 2022 01:31 (three years ago)
It’s so wild that these fascist fossils are so upset about losing their grip on power that they’re willing to further immiserate their constituents.
COVID was the eye-opener for me on this, because once you realize they are willing to actually kill their own followers you realize there’s sort of no limit.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 25 June 2022 01:32 (three years ago)
I mean, not the slow grinding death of poverty and shitty healthcare that’s been the norm and would require tax increases to do anything about, but even on something where they didn’t have to raise taxes and could be legitimate life-saving heroes just for telling people to get vaccinated, they actively worked against it.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 25 June 2022 01:35 (three years ago)
they literally want us all to die, it's a suicide cult
― thinkmanship (sleeve), Saturday, 25 June 2022 01:35 (three years ago)
https://medium.com/reluctant-moderation/american-death-drive-6298d617d3b2
― thinkmanship (sleeve), Saturday, 25 June 2022 01:36 (three years ago)
"The president has been very clear -- he is not for expanding the Court," says @PressSec— j.d. durkin (@jd_durkin) June 24, 2022
― papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 25 June 2022 02:15 (three years ago)
look nobody wants to damage the status quo just to prevent a few women from dying
― Harry Styles and fashion (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 25 June 2022 02:22 (three years ago)
xpost literally the only solution to the problem, Joe. the other one is "waiting 12 years until maybe we get the Presidency again AND one or more of these fossils dies AND the Senate isn't a Republican majority set to torpedo every nomination AND then waiting for one of the many psychotic rulings of 2022 to be challenged and get to SCOTUS again AND....." etc etc
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Saturday, 25 June 2022 02:22 (three years ago)
codifying into federal law NOW after this ruling, like, would it even survive a legal challenge.
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Saturday, 25 June 2022 02:24 (three years ago)
meanwhile, in Iowa....
Tonight a truck jumped traffic + plowed into peaceful protestors crossing the pedestrian walkway at the Federal Courthouse. I was walking along side them—the crowd included children alongside me. Thank you for @crpd for responding. The license plate was WRAPTOR in Hawkeye colors. pic.twitter.com/nnYRNFfN45— ashleyvanorny (@ashleyvanorny) June 25, 2022
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Saturday, 25 June 2022 02:40 (three years ago)
dumb fucker did it with a vanity plate and his VIN is being shared all over Twitter so this truck will probably be a burnt out husk by the end of the week.
but this is what they want, they want people to be scared to protest, and frankly, it fucking works on a lot of us. especially on people who have others who depend on them.
just a sick feeling in the stomach, all of this. and a familiar one.
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Saturday, 25 June 2022 02:52 (three years ago)
DHS warns of potential violent extremist activity in response to abortion ruling: https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/24/politics/dhs-warning-abortion-ruling/index.html
― "Why is the voice of reason treated as the unreliable narrator?", asked (Austin), Saturday, 25 June 2022 03:27 (three years ago)
stop scaremongering, they’re on the case
I know there are women out there who are afraid. To those of you who feel alone and scared: I want you to know the President and I are fighting for you and your rights. We are in this fight together. pic.twitter.com/1J54ZY2aYk— Vice President Kamala Harris (@VP) June 24, 2022
― Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Saturday, 25 June 2022 03:29 (three years ago)
https://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/haley-carter-july-4-parade-threats-jesse-kelly-17261619.php?t=1c5cd956cd
― papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 25 June 2022 05:35 (three years ago)
Jesse Kelly's Twitter account is the predicted horror show.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 25 June 2022 06:04 (three years ago)
just going full-on Turner Diaries now
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Saturday, 25 June 2022 06:05 (three years ago)
Big Brain Jesse K(KK). when asked about using Cancel Culture:
Because I’m not a Republican. I’m not “better than that”. I’m a monster. I believe in hitting people who hit me. I already got a DEI director fired in Miami for putting on a drag show for children.This is The New Right. We embrace cancel culture.
I already got a DEI director fired in Miami for putting on a drag show for children.
This is The New Right. We embrace cancel culture.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 25 June 2022 06:14 (three years ago)
a drag show for children
Like...panto?
― nashwan, Saturday, 25 June 2022 10:52 (three years ago)
President Xi, my country yearns for freedom— Blkpnthr☭ (@highbredvenus) June 24, 2022
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 25 June 2022 12:45 (three years ago)
our nation turns its lonely eyes to you
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 25 June 2022 12:49 (three years ago)
FUUUUUUCCCCCKKK
wow. Mask off https://t.co/9pXEYuXyyV— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) June 26, 2022
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 26 June 2022 01:35 (three years ago)
"well see I was trying to say 'right to life' but lol oops said the quiet part loud again!"
― papal hotwife (milo z), Sunday, 26 June 2022 01:42 (three years ago)
"I thought I said 'Night Life'--I do love to boogie!"
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 26 June 2022 02:05 (three years ago)
“My rights should not be a fundraising point for the Democrats.” 💯💯💯 pic.twitter.com/6hNLQ5tZry— GOOGLE LASD GANGS (@PplsCityCouncil) June 26, 2022
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 26 June 2022 11:02 (three years ago)
I wonder how the courts will interpret the attempted extension of the 14th Amendment and what it means in terms of judicial philosophy if there is such a thing. The wrongness of something at one point in time may be unimaginable; it's acceptance at another point in time may be equally unfathomable, viz. slavery. (So what exactly does this undermine?) I think the birth of a child is meaningful in terms of the acceptance of responsibility for human life, not because abortion is murder but because living one's life and living for another (as parents do) involve choices or sacrifices that may be weighed differently. (Rhetorical questions that seem silly to ask: Why has pregnancy been so frequently fictionalized? Why is there so much drama attached to pregnancy?)
― youn, Sunday, 26 June 2022 13:19 (three years ago)
The sweet, sweet mystery of life.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 26 June 2022 13:57 (three years ago)
It's interesting that the 19th Amendment passed in 1919. I think women worked during WWI. No additional rights came to be attached to that amendment. Was that a deliberate choice (i.e., there is a previous amendment that is broader in scope that can be used to adjudicate on consequences deriving from moral relativism, and gender is not yet within the scope of reconsideration by an overwhelming majority that seems unlikely to change simply in terms of numbers and the convenience of power, which always seem to corrupt and which one can never forego)?
― youn, Sunday, 26 June 2022 14:00 (three years ago)
Fascism is here. Out in the open. This Texas Republican lawmaker is describing plans to overrule elected Democratic DAs by allowing Republican DAs from other counties to prosecute and imprison residents outside their jurisdiction. https://t.co/elQ7HTSutU pic.twitter.com/wu0xqpBJ3A— Brandon Friedman (@BFriedmanDC) June 26, 2022
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 26 June 2022 16:12 (three years ago)
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Friday, June 24, 2022 3:17 PM (two days ago)
yes and sometimes they do it anyway? But ... my analytical brain has a tendency to look for patterns, precedents, analogies in order to make sense of new horrors, and the closest I can think of is Jim Crow post-Reconstruction. Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but there wasn't a huge exodus until there was a "boom" elsewhere, a highly promising sense of possibility for masses of people elsewhere.
― sarahell, Sunday, 26 June 2022 17:00 (three years ago)
it's sad that her family let's her keep going out here and doing this
And here's the clip. She said "use this victory to change itself." pic.twitter.com/SDCleEQWxx— Jay Rosen (@jayrosen_nyu) June 26, 2022
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Sunday, 26 June 2022 18:44 (three years ago)
Slipped the surly bonds of her gott damn mind.
― Am I doomposting? I would say you’re not doomposting enough. (PBKR), Sunday, 26 June 2022 18:47 (three years ago)
Surprised Chuck Todd let everyone break the cardinal rule of Meet The Press: "Thou shalt not laugh in Peggy Noonan's face."
― but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 26 June 2022 19:46 (three years ago)
"Keep Ketel One away from Peggy before 10.a.m."
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 26 June 2022 19:48 (three years ago)
A faction of the pro-life movement believes that the logical next step is to dramatically expand the social safety net. I talked to them about their hopes for the movement -- and the likelihood that those hopes become reality. https://t.co/508HL9z19R— Elaine Godfrey (@elainejgodfrey) June 26, 2022
so how many Atlantic writers are this gullible and how many know they're peddling horseshit?
― papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 27 June 2022 00:42 (three years ago)
I mean, the headline is correct.
― WmC, Monday, 27 June 2022 00:59 (three years ago)
Rudy nearly got assassinated today?!??
Rudy on his assault today: “All the sudden, I feel a shot on my back. Like somebody shot me! Lucky I’m a 78 year old who’s in pretty good shape, cause if I wasn’t, I’d have hit the ground and cracked my skull .. Suppose I was a weaker 78 year old and cracked my skull and died?” pic.twitter.com/F0Ut5utsdR— Ron Filipkowski 🇺🇦 (@RonFilipkowski) June 26, 2022
oh.
WATCH Former New York City Mayor @RudyGiuliani, now 78, claimed he was assaulted by a 39-year-old Staten Island supermarket employee who exchanged words with him. pic.twitter.com/jCC01RcG7Y— BNN Newsroom (@BNNBreaking) June 26, 2022
― frogbs, Monday, 27 June 2022 02:36 (three years ago)
Maybe the 10th Amendment should be reconsidered. It may have been and be used to justify more progressive environmental laws in CA, as well as more restrictive laws on abortion in TX and other conservative states, but it seems increasingly untenable with globalization and the internet to think that regional differences are so profound and the United States so large that we cannot agree as a nation upon fundamental values, rights, and obligations. So it seems that states' rights are just an excuse to increase partisanship and skew majority rule without truly protecting any minorities from the two major parties.
― youn, Monday, 27 June 2022 03:11 (three years ago)
Or confess however much you don't like it that the statisticians seem to have the upper hand on you and that no individual agency (or presumption of intelligence or foresight) seems to be the best policy. Just let the mass of votes count.
― youn, Monday, 27 June 2022 03:33 (three years ago)
There are exceptions, like marijuana legalization, but in general "states' rights" is invoked to justify something terrible.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 27 June 2022 04:09 (three years ago)
Lucky I’m a 78 year old who’s in pretty good shape, cause if I wasn’t, I’d have hit the ground and cracked my skull .. Suppose I was a weaker 78 year old and cracked my skull and died?
'Just imagine how bad that could have been' is not a description of anything outside of Rudy's mind and what happens in his imagination is hardly grounds for a prosecution.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 27 June 2022 04:14 (three years ago)
Suppose I was a weaker 78 year old and cracked my skull and died?
Mmmmm keep up this foreplay Rudy
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Monday, 27 June 2022 06:22 (three years ago)
- Restrain judicial review- Expand the court- Clinics on federal lands- Expand education and access to Plan C- Repeal Hyde- Hold floor votes codifying Griswold, Obergefell, Lawrence, Loving, etc- Vote on Escobar’s bill protecting clinicsWe can do it!We can at least TRY— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (@AOC) June 26, 2022
― curmudgeon, Monday, 27 June 2022 11:38 (three years ago)
“We can always least try.”
These are the magic words.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 27 June 2022 12:15 (three years ago)
“We can AT least try.”
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 27 June 2022 12:16 (three years ago)
hoping there's just been a major spurt of energy put into the left for the midterms.Cos Polyyannaing is always a positive innit.Or could just lay back and go well America's a bit over innit.
Optimism is like necessary like or everything just becomes a damp funk.With enough impetus you might eventually get equity or something. Or just outright oppressed.
― Stevolende, Monday, 27 June 2022 13:08 (three years ago)
afaict, the absolute best case scenario for the midterms is an exact continuation of the status quo, so idk
but sure, pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will always sounded wise to me
whether you should spend that energy on national electoral politics is another q though. there's optimism and then there's repeatedly putting your faith in liars
― rob, Monday, 27 June 2022 13:58 (three years ago)
I mean its possible they flip a couple of Senate seats which means they can do stuff without needing Manchin. obviously history dictates the Dems will get destroyed but these aren't exactly normal times
the thing about that is, the Dems need to deliver SOMETHING. pass some concrete laws protecting the right to abortion, get that fucking climate deal done, make some moves to limit the power of the Supreme Court which is now the most unpopular entity in the country. they have got to know this is the case and yet, you know the Democrats, they'll sit on their hands and fundraise and then act all shocked that young people once again didn't turn out
― frogbs, Monday, 27 June 2022 14:07 (three years ago)
Like cruelty for the GOP, I'm beginning to wonder if not at least trying is the whole point of the Dems.
― When the Pain That You Feel is the Bite of an Eel, That's a Moray (Old Lunch), Monday, 27 June 2022 14:37 (three years ago)
Better to not try, than to try and see how you failed
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 June 2022 14:37 (three years ago)
A non-moving apple keeps the cart happy
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 June 2022 14:38 (three years ago)
it is better to vote next year than it is to eat
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 June 2022 14:39 (three years ago)
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/49/43/3a/49433a0dbcdf092ec4f0f99940ec89f9.jpg
― Tracer Hand, Monday, 27 June 2022 14:39 (three years ago)
their utter lack of any recognizable strategy, not just on abortion rights, but on pretty much everything, is extremely demoralizing
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 27 June 2022 14:59 (three years ago)
hoping there's just been a major spurt of energy put into the left for the midterms.Cos Polyyannaing is always a positive innit.One wonders which of the 469 separate, local seats that will be open in November have, in the most Pollyannaish reading, candidates standing on the left.
― Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Monday, 27 June 2022 15:01 (three years ago)
The strategy is called Gone Till November.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 June 2022 15:01 (three years ago)
Before they can do anything they need a strong Republican Party
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 June 2022 15:01 (three years ago)
yeah I mean at this point idk how you can say the Dems aren't complicit, they knew this was coming for months and their only response was to fundraise
― frogbs, Monday, 27 June 2022 15:03 (three years ago)
love that we're having to create a 15-pronged plan to react to this because of Biden/Dem refusal to do the one much more easy thing that everybody knows needs doing. don't have quite the disposal income I had two years ago but the donation machine is firing back up (for funds in states where it is illegal/heavily restricted).
I get the anxiety of Pubs reacting by packing the court similarly or passing insanely authoritarian laws without filibuster but at some point you have to stop making decisions based on what other people might do. they're monsters. of course they're going to react. give em something to react to.
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Monday, 27 June 2022 15:06 (three years ago)
xpost think they were holding onto the naive hope that somehow the leak was going to change the outcome. ha.
they were holding onto the naive hope that somehow the leak was going to change the outcome.
"My most fervent wish is that I will not be replaced until a new president is installed." - RBG
― pplains, Monday, 27 June 2022 15:09 (three years ago)
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Monday, June 27, 2022
When I leak, the outcome changes.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 June 2022 15:11 (three years ago)
what we need is our own Q
pic.twitter.com/FtnT1FCrUg— thedistantdrummer (@thedistantdrums) June 27, 2022
― Heez, Monday, 27 June 2022 16:26 (three years ago)
Per Neanderthal, I don’t really have the disposable income to donate the way I once could (circa 2015-2019).
Postcards To Voters it is again, then
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 27 June 2022 16:56 (three years ago)
just ugh -- are they really going to go after Affirmative Action?
― sarahell, Monday, 27 June 2022 17:24 (three years ago)
I mean, they've been going after affirmative action for decades. All that's left is demolishing the facade.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 27 June 2022 17:29 (three years ago)
wasn't their just a challenge to affirmative action where someone sued Harvard?
― Heez, Monday, 27 June 2022 17:32 (three years ago)
xp - sure - it's just, so many people are on edge, and something that major that reinforces white supremacy (esp. during the summer), and shit will pop off like with George Floyd
― sarahell, Monday, 27 June 2022 17:36 (three years ago)
fucking pissing me off that Clarence is just telegraphing which cases he wants to have sent back up through SCOTUS. even if his colleagues don't all go along with him, I'd rather it be a lot harder for people to know exactly what the dude is going to rule, even if it only slows things down a trickle.
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Monday, 27 June 2022 17:38 (three years ago)
he isn't telegraphing them, he's hired a plane to spell them out in the sky
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 June 2022 17:39 (three years ago)
Honestly, the Democrats in DC are ... a bit of a horribly formed joke, shall we say ... and local/regional political organization and leadership is where there is hope ... idk ... when shit pops off in cities, you often end up with relatively progressive mayors et al siding with cops and you get movement in-fighting, so to speak
― sarahell, Monday, 27 June 2022 17:40 (three years ago)
I can't believe I am actually saying positive things about Gavin Newsom (it's a SF 2000 thing) but ...
― sarahell, Monday, 27 June 2022 17:43 (three years ago)
So the very sober adults who assured us in the pages of the Post and Times et al that Amy C-B, Neil, and Bart are actually intellectual giants and very good boys and girls and love precedent have been p quiet? Or are they working on their columns about how actually Roe being overturned doesn’t mean what you think it does and here’s why
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Monday, 27 June 2022 17:58 (three years ago)
Megan McArdle pumped out a “well akshually the US is still more liberal than Europe on abortion” take just so a thousand people could explain how that was a goddamned lie and she could ignore them and continue to cash checks.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 27 June 2022 18:07 (three years ago)
I have basically come to ignore those people the same way I do Malcolm Gladwell --
― sarahell, Monday, 27 June 2022 18:08 (three years ago)
I mean, I was oblivious to the fact that anyone with intellectual respectability even said that
― sarahell, Monday, 27 June 2022 18:09 (three years ago)
mike pence is just...amazing. i never imagined that i could think of him as anything other than a terrible, horrible, vicious person hiding inside the most boring public-facing personality that has ever existed. but then, watching these january 6 hearings, for once, you start to see some sort of person in there who you can empathize with, who considers the wellbeing of other people. i'm not sure in what other context pence would have been capable of not being a cowardly dick, but it turns out on jan 6 he managed to temporarily grow a spine and he did his fucking job.
but the weight of that, the beginnings of an empathetic personality emerging inside of him -- it was too much. he had to exterminate it
In the wake of the Supreme Court’s decision overturning Roe v. Wade, former vice president Mike Pence says abortion should be banned nationwide and is planning behind the scenes to focus on the issue in the coming weeks, according to advisers.Former president Donald Trump, in contrast, fears the ruling could hurt the GOP’s election chances, his advisers said, even as he hailed the ruling as “victory for life” at a Saturday rally.
Former president Donald Trump, in contrast, fears the ruling could hurt the GOP’s election chances, his advisers said, even as he hailed the ruling as “victory for life” at a Saturday rally.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/06/27/abortion-2024-presidential-candidates/
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 June 2022 18:24 (three years ago)
take the words "planning behind the scenes to focus on the issue", which are just....a complete joke. it really is something i would say as a joke, to indicate that i'm not doing jack shit and everyone knows it. yet mike pence can somehow take this complete joke, this thing that might not cause a lol but might prompt a small internal "hah!", and instead uses it to try to step on the accelerator pedal of being the most misogynistic fucker who has ever called his spouse "mother", and good fucking lord that's a lengthy and terrible list
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 June 2022 18:28 (three years ago)
what a piece of shit he is. i now believe that my original instincts were true - when he did the bare fucking minimum on jan 6, he did it on accident. he must have thought he was in on the plan to be a fucking turd, and only later realized that he had accidentally done a good thing. he's been living in this agony ever since, hence his plans to focus
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 June 2022 18:30 (three years ago)
“It’s been a large part of his career,” said Marc Short, Pence’s former chief of staff, who is currently advising him. “This is who he’s always been.”
Believe him!
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 June 2022 18:36 (three years ago)
Let's bow our heads to shitty political writing too ("is planning behind the scenes to focus on the issue").
mike pence ruins everything
it's also really, really funny that anyone thinks of him as a potential 2024 candidate
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 June 2022 18:49 (three years ago)
his ears will have retracted inside his head by then
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Monday, 27 June 2022 18:53 (three years ago)
I absolutely bet that the guy is a closet case, tbqh
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Monday, 27 June 2022 18:57 (three years ago)
No closet big enough. And he'd insist Mom join him.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 June 2022 19:06 (three years ago)
i never imagined that i could think of him as anything other than a terrible, horrible, vicious person hiding inside the most boring public-facing personality that has ever existed. but then, watching these january 6 hearings, for once, you start to see some sort of person in there who you can empathize with
One more reason to never watch a minute of the 1/6 hearings.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 27 June 2022 19:15 (three years ago)
I can't believe I am actually saying positive things about Gavin Newsom
maybe there should be presidents for different part of the country? i.e. President (West/Pacific), President (Deep South), President (Moribund Rust Belt), etc.
― Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 27 June 2022 19:18 (three years ago)
The January 6 committee made Pence appear sympathetic because his role in the narrative was to provide a necessary counterpoint to Trump's criminality. The moment you view him outside that narrative he reverts to being Mike Pence, bland hyper-conservative tool.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 27 June 2022 19:24 (three years ago)
The fan yelling : Joey Votto :: The Supreme Court : people who don't want to live in a theocracy https://t.co/9JMd3MuEA4— Parker Molloy (@ParkerMolloy) June 27, 2022
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 27 June 2022 19:48 (three years ago)
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 June 2022 19:55 (three years ago)
looks like he's been playing better - almost league average production on the year, and .256/.344/.451 wRC+ 119 since June 1
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 June 2022 19:57 (three years ago)
― papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, June 27, 2022 8:15 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
qft. why would anyone waste their time with this. life is short.
― the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Monday, 27 June 2022 20:21 (three years ago)
i like to know about things, and my short life is mine
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 June 2022 20:26 (three years ago)
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Monday, 27 June 2022 20:27 (three years ago)
Watching the hearings and caring what emerges from the hearings are two different things. I think I've watched 20 minutes total?
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 June 2022 20:32 (three years ago)
i've watched (or listened to on the radio) every single onedo you all think i am a moron for having done this? (do not answer this please)i want to see it with my own eyes and am not a moron for the record.
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 27 June 2022 20:35 (three years ago)
nothing will emerge from the hearings.
xp i don't think you're a moron, i'm completely mystified as to why anyone would want to watch them. i already know what happened, it happened two years ago. absolutely fail to see a reason to watch when i could be doing just about anything else.
― the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Monday, 27 June 2022 20:38 (three years ago)
We've all had to expand our imaginations in the last seven years, man.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 June 2022 20:40 (three years ago)
map OTM - no judgement for watching or listening, I just can't wrap my head around why anyone would. Like going to church twice a week or attending a 20-hour Marvel movie marathon, the concept just baffles me.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 27 June 2022 20:40 (three years ago)
Watching/listening to the hearings adds a dimension that can't be had by simply knowing the substance of the hearings. In the same way you can know all the ingredients in a dish and have eaten that dish before, but looking at a jpeg of the dish on your phone isn't the same as tasting it again.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 27 June 2022 20:42 (three years ago)
You deserve a break today.
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Monday, 27 June 2022 20:43 (three years ago)
i really enjoyed that Bowers guy getting choked up about ronald reagan and the divinely inspired constitution
― Heez, Monday, 27 June 2022 20:44 (three years ago)
whata hero!
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Monday, June 27, 2022
What happens in the next reel? Do I get dragged off screaming to the snake pit?
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 June 2022 20:47 (three years ago)
A shamrock shake.
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Monday, 27 June 2022 20:48 (three years ago)
xp - If you geniunely want to know why: I am watching it so I can see it with my own eyes, witness it. I don't want to ingest someone else's experience watching it and i do believe it's important to witness. It's sometimes boring but so are the levers of government.
I don't believe that any one of us (human beings on earth) knows exactly what will or won't emerge from the hearings. When someone says "nothing will happen" I have to ask what they know that makes them able to see the future? Let it play out, witness the work being done, and absorb the gravity of the moment. That is why I am watching.
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 27 June 2022 20:52 (three years ago)
"Nothing will happen" because the hearings aren't designed to accomplish a goal, though - like there's no endgame here that involves prosecutions or changes to the law or impeaching Trump for a third time (lol). They're Spreading Awareness(TM).
― papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 27 June 2022 20:59 (three years ago)
I've been listening on the radio, and I find it interesting... it's well produced and the sheer volume of Republicans testifying makes it something more than a partisan show trial
― Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 27 June 2022 20:59 (three years ago)
i’m not watching but i’m gonna expend zero effort wondering how anyone could possibly watch it bc that’s a thing dicks do, it’s ok that we’re processing this cultural/political moment differently, maybe post more about how much the democrats suck instead
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 27 June 2022 21:01 (three years ago)
I think it's a very good thing for both the present moment and the future that the hearings are happening and have been as thorough and well orchestrated as they have been. I haven't felt compelled to watch/listen but have been following them with interest via assorted written accounts and social media. I don't know what if anything they change, but I prefer them happening to not.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 27 June 2022 21:01 (three years ago)
"nothing will happen" discounts the effect of Spreading Awareness TM. When done effectively, awareness-raising is an essential component of public education. Whether or not 12 hours of televised hearings will result in any learning is unforeseeable/unmeasurable; even so, that doesn't mean "nothing" has "happened" -- it means the effect isn't measurable immediately with a specific goal or endgame.
also i have to admit it brings me satisfaction to hear people throw DJT under the bus, over and over. it doesn't matter that they are sickening wrong-about-everything pious republicans. i think i find satisfaction in the public airing of the truth.
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 27 June 2022 21:06 (three years ago)
Oh yeah, there's definitely a benefit in just remembering and/or making people more aware of how terrible the whole thing was. I do think it hurts Trump in a lot of ways, maybe or maybe not in the immediate sense of pushing him away from running again, but it has some corrosive effect on his viability I think.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, 27 June 2022 21:12 (three years ago)
Most of what is being testified to was reported in the media at the time. The main thing the hearings accomplish, beyond creating a fluently integrated narrative of Trump's coup attempt, is that the testimony has all been given under oath and any corroborating documents have been assembled according to rules that establish their provenance so they could be used as evidence in court or before a grand jury.
If the Justice Department collected all the same evidence they'd have no venue for presenting it to the public. The Committee isn't bound by the same rules, so they can put all this out there prior to any indictments.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 27 June 2022 21:16 (three years ago)
unfortunately the hearings may be helping DeSantis:
“I think the January 6 hearings are continuation of the exhausting circus that surrounds Trump,” said a close DeSantis adviser granted anonymity to speak freely. “There are of course the lunchbox Republicans who think this is a ‘mass conspiracy,’ but among the donor class many are just tired of this.”
― Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 27 June 2022 21:19 (three years ago)
― the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Monday, June 27, 2022 3:38 PM (thirty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
idk I feel like there's a lot of new info that's come out of this, I'd assumed it was one of those Trumpy things where you can't condemn anyone who's a fan of yours when in reality there appears to have really been an orchestrated plot to overthrow the government, doomed as it may have been
― frogbs, Monday, 27 June 2022 21:22 (three years ago)
If Dems did nothing and didn't have the hearings we just accept all the nefarious bullshit of Jan. 6., and I'm for doing something rather than nothing.
I feel like as long as we have our stupid electoral college system, and presidencies are being decided by a few thousand people in a few key swing states, if there is even a small percentage of viewers whose hearts/minds/votes can be persuaded by these hearings then they are worth having and therefore worth watching, at least in part.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Monday, 27 June 2022 21:23 (three years ago)
XP to aimless's point:Also primary documents like recordings and sworn testimony land very differently from everyday reporting.
Remembering a news story about election workers being harassed is dramatically different from hearing the live testimony of Shaye Moss and (recorded testimony of) her mother Ruby. When I watched it, the truth hit so hard that I felt the malevolence was undeniable and that is what I am here for. Proving, testifying, speaking the truth and witnessing it. Maybe I have felt unheard and ignored myself so I revel in testimony and truth-telling, idk.
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, 27 June 2022 21:25 (three years ago)
I don’t think anything will come out of the hearings, but that’s because one criminal enterprise investigating another criminal enterprise doesn’t really have much to tell me.None of it is legitimate.
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Monday, 27 June 2022 21:26 (three years ago)
If the Justice Department collected all the same evidence they'd have no venue for presenting it to the public. The Committee isn't bound by the same rules, so they can put all this out there prior to any indictmentsthe red wave.
― Am I doomposting? I would say you’re not doomposting enough. (PBKR), Monday, 27 June 2022 21:34 (three years ago)
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, June 27, 2022 10:01 PM (thirty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
fuck off
― the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Monday, 27 June 2022 21:35 (three years ago)
the word cynic is based on the greek word for dog. seems like the dogs are having their day today.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 27 June 2022 21:38 (three years ago)
The Truth and Reconciliation Commission didn't bring one dead Rwandan back to life. I don't know why they bothered.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 27 June 2022 21:40 (three years ago)
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Monday, 27 June 2022 21:43 (three years ago)
you are right, table. identifying dogs with corrosive cynicism is a libel against dogs
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 27 June 2022 21:52 (three years ago)
Good thing my dogs like me corrosive and cynical instead of buying into the idea that the putrid vomitorium of the US government is worth saving. It isn’t. The only thing that will change anything is civil war or revolution, and neither of those options are totally great, for reasons that we’ve gone over here again and again. The fact remains that these two things, and/or total climate collapse, are the only things that would allow for any sort of change at the federal level.
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Monday, 27 June 2022 22:01 (three years ago)
― the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Monday, June 27, 2022 2:35 PM (twenty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
you’re being a dick!! my excuse is i’m jet lagged
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 27 June 2022 22:03 (three years ago)
And if the Dem response to recent events is any indication, when Miami is underwater and the Santa Anas have burned through half of LA and the midwest has totally desertified, the Dems will tweet out “we’re with you on climate justice, which is why we’re wearing green this Thursday and re-working the recycling system in the halls of congress, all while singing a choral version of Marvin Gaye’s “What’s Goin On. Look at Nancy sing, slay queen”
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Monday, 27 June 2022 22:05 (three years ago)
i wasn’t being sarcastic at the end there, i legit would prefer more posts about how the democrats are bad than posts about “how could anybody possibly watch these hearings” a nothing point made by ppl who love the sound of their own voices
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 27 June 2022 22:08 (three years ago)
but instead someone who routinely goes off on other ppl like an asshole here tells me fuck off instead, ok!!! i get how i could’ve been misread i guess
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 27 June 2022 22:09 (three years ago)
― Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Monday, June 27, 2022 3:52 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
OTM.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 27 June 2022 22:14 (three years ago)
earlier in this thread milo posted something meganmcardle said. never in my life would i waste my time paying attention to something megan mcardle said. does it change anything to pay attention to the things she says? does it bring any value to this already shitty life?
did i post any of these thoughts? no
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 27 June 2022 22:16 (three years ago)
tipsy mothra - I included CA environmental laws as an example to try to provide balance. I was trying to make the point that regionalism no longer seems to work in the United States and hasn't for a very long time for whatever reason, perhaps primarily because we were never small enough for interactions of the right sort or had enough common assumptions to start, whereas if we did that might make a difference or at least be a start. There could be or have been a time or place where it makes or made sense as now the EU or Pacific alignment seems to make sense, etc. What one considers a stretch for understanding and what conditions determine that may TBD.
― youn, Monday, 27 June 2022 22:18 (three years ago)
By the year 2040, about 70% of Americans are expected to live in the 15 largest states. They will have 30 senators representing them. The remaining 30% of Americans, in small sparsely populated states, will have 70 senators representing them.— Melissa Ross (@MelissainJax) June 27, 2022
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Monday, 27 June 2022 22:25 (three years ago)
if anyone else has the curse that i do, of reading something like that and wondering "what percentage of americans currently live in the 15 most populous states?", the answer is 66%, as of the 2020 census. it is a problem!
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 June 2022 22:33 (three years ago)
2 out of 3 live in these 15 most populous states.
Massachusetts 7,029,917Arizona 7,151,502Washington 7,705,281Virginia 8,631,393New Jersey 9,288,994Michigan 10,077,331North Carolina 10,439,388Georgia 10,711,908Ohio 11,799,448Illinois 12,812,508Pennsylvania 13,002,700New York 20,201,249Florida 21,538,187Texas 29,145,505California 39,538,223
i object to these 15 states, so i renounced my citizenship from "Big Pop State" and moved to the free state enterprise thought leader of the christian states of america, missouri
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 June 2022 22:37 (three years ago)
(That is probably the worst cause of misrepresentation. One might think there could be better ways to represent certain populations for certain purposes and certain populations for other purposes, e.g., global taxation.)
― youn, Monday, 27 June 2022 22:38 (three years ago)
I mean.. isn't that the way it was set up a couple hundred years ago? House is based on population, and states get two Senators each. You can't jerrymander the Senate, they run statewide
I've heard the 'abolish the Senate' arguments aplenty, but c'mon.. ain't gonna happen anytime soon
― Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 27 June 2022 22:40 (three years ago)
Eat the Senators
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Monday, 27 June 2022 22:42 (three years ago)
So who's pumped up for surprise Jan 6 hearings? Surely this will be something new, right? RIGHT?!?
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 27 June 2022 23:06 (three years ago)
https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/us-supreme-court-wont-consider-lowering-bar-prove-defamation-2022-06-27/
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 27 June 2022 23:11 (three years ago)
agh! oh sorry, the surprise hearing startled me. ha!
The revised schedule comes several days after the committee announced a brief hiatus to assess new evidence and records obtained by the committee, with plans to wait until after the July Fourth holiday for any further public hearings. The sudden change suggested an urgency and sensitivity around Tuesday’s presentation.Last week, British filmmaker Alex Holder met with committee investigators behind closed doors and provided over 10 hours of footage to the panel from interviews with Trump, his adult children, former vice president Mike Pence, and from the attack on the Capitol by a pro-Trump mob. The committee has been in contact with new individuals involved in the efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election, including conservative activist Virginia “Ginni" Thomas, who is Justice Clarence Thomas’s wife, as well as Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.).
Last week, British filmmaker Alex Holder met with committee investigators behind closed doors and provided over 10 hours of footage to the panel from interviews with Trump, his adult children, former vice president Mike Pence, and from the attack on the Capitol by a pro-Trump mob. The committee has been in contact with new individuals involved in the efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 election, including conservative activist Virginia “Ginni" Thomas, who is Justice Clarence Thomas’s wife, as well as Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.).
now would be a great time for the hearings to address Ginni Thomas, to illustrate the plain-as-day corruption of the supreme court. seems like a timely issue
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 June 2022 23:12 (three years ago)
maybe Charo is gonna guest star
― Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 27 June 2022 23:15 (three years ago)
I'm gonna post the same thing I wrote in the gay thread two weeks ago, and I see overlap: stop assuming the worst of posters. Have the moral imagination to accept why other people who share your political beliefs might watch the 1/6 hearings.
Neanderthal and I live in Florida. We know what posturing looks and sounds like.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 June 2022 23:19 (three years ago)
I’m the first to say that I respect and like many of you, but I do not hold the same political beliefs as most of you.
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Monday, 27 June 2022 23:24 (three years ago)
In fact, with a few notable exceptions, I like and respect all of you!
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Monday, 27 June 2022 23:25 (three years ago)
You mean you dislike Joe Biden and the Dems more than the rest of us? Do tell!
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 June 2022 23:26 (three years ago)
ok fine, sub in "a desire to see a better world"
― thinkmanship (sleeve), Monday, 27 June 2022 23:27 (three years ago)
sorry that was to tabes
― thinkmanship (sleeve), Monday, 27 June 2022 23:28 (three years ago)
table we totally share the same beliefs
i guess what i’d like is fewer superiority trips itt pls, y’all are like the record store clerks of us politics
― flamenco drop (BradNelson), Monday, 27 June 2022 23:30 (three years ago)
otm
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 June 2022 23:31 (three years ago)
I'd have serious doubts about someone's morality if they confessed to never being surprised. It's not cynicism -- cynicism is a version of sentimentality.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 June 2022 23:32 (three years ago)
“Actually -“
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 27 June 2022 23:32 (three years ago)
this feinstein record keeps skipping, can I return it?
― Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 27 June 2022 23:38 (three years ago)
not unless it's produced by Tony Visconti
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 June 2022 23:42 (three years ago)
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Monday, 27 June 2022 23:50 (three years ago)
I’m not trying to be superior, fwiw, I’m just stating my actual beliefs without veering too far into what I actually believe, because I’d be FPed into oblivion.
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Monday, 27 June 2022 23:51 (three years ago)
it's not a zero sum game, there are plenty of tools in the toolbox, voting is the least that can be done but far from the most/best
― thinkmanship (sleeve), Monday, 27 June 2022 23:52 (three years ago)
(speaking as a fellow anarchist who prefers to look for solidarity rather than dealbreaking differences fwiw)
― thinkmanship (sleeve), Monday, 27 June 2022 23:53 (three years ago)
i agree with that!
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Monday, 27 June 2022 23:54 (three years ago)
<3
― thinkmanship (sleeve), Monday, 27 June 2022 23:54 (three years ago)
yeah I agree
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 June 2022 23:56 (three years ago)
I also never said “don’t vote,” I think local elections are the only place where leftist policy can really be enacted at this point. I just have no faith in the three branches of the federal government, and haven’t for a long time, and tbh don’t give a shit if that makes me a cynic.
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Monday, 27 June 2022 23:56 (three years ago)
vote local, think national (sorry)
me, I'm in the unusual position of holding out faith in the deep state to preserve capital a.k.a. society for the benefit of more than just the oligarchs
― thinkmanship (sleeve), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 00:03 (three years ago)
(b/c yeah the 3 branches aren't really cutting it atm)
― thinkmanship (sleeve), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 00:04 (three years ago)
not sure if people think of the administration of federal regulations as the executive branch, but the supreme court is supposedly about to deliver a punch to the gut when the WV v EPA decision comes
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 00:07 (three years ago)
Do tell how we simply must continue to work with and inside a system that has done nothing but fuck most people over for my entire life
You are addressing an interlocutor here who conveniently fits a mold you'd prefer to dismiss.
The system is there whether we want it to go away or not. No one here likes this system, but our dislike doesn't matter unless it's manifested in action. If you see ways to work around the system to make life better for the rest of us, more power to you. But we'll all still be inside it for the foreseeable. Smashing it at a blow is a fantasy, not an option. Until then, we'll continue to seek the crevices of power we can occupy to some good end.
As for the Jan 6 committee, I see no harm in their making it plain to everyone who cares to see that Jan 6 was a serious attempt by fascists at the violent overthrow of our government. I think we all agree that had it succeeded it would not have been an improvement over the present system.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 00:15 (three years ago)
It is, and the existence of such is a New Deal development that conservatives have wanted to gut xpost
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 00:16 (three years ago)
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 01:52 (three years ago)
NY thankfully did something similar, though I'm not a big Hochul fan
― Nhex, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 02:15 (three years ago)
BREAKING NEWS: Judge Stone GRANTS a temporary restraining order, blocking Utah's abortion ban from being enforced. @fox13 #utpol #Utah— Ben Winslow (@BenWinslow) June 27, 2022
― Mule, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 11:22 (three years ago)
i can't believe there are people on here grandstanding about not watching the 1/6 hearings.
― a (waterface), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 12:23 (three years ago)
It's the I Don't Even Own A Television of the politics threads
― politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 12:30 (three years ago)
I don't even own an insurrection
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 13:19 (three years ago)
"grandstanding" is a bit much. why don't we just move on though?
― rob, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 13:31 (three years ago)
Let's run it up the flagpole and see...
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 13:39 (three years ago)
Politics' weirdest year.
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 13:43 (three years ago)
― rob, Tuesday, June 28, 2022 2:31 PM (eleven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
ok thread cop--was merely just pointing something out, that there are a couple of folks here being tools, but by all means, i'll keep walking officer, sorry i stepped off the sidewalk won't happen again
― a (waterface), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 13:44 (three years ago)
lol ok dude
― rob, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 13:49 (three years ago)
I admit the defeatist attitude is obnoxious, like for years leftists have been trying to warn everyone that the right wing in this country are fascists who may attempt to overthrow our democracy through violence, and that the news needs to cover them as such, and now there is a lengthy, well-argued primetime hearing demonstrating how they tried to do just that, and the reaction is "Meh, won't matter?" I mean what do we really want here?
― frogbs, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 13:49 (three years ago)
‘Why should we hear about insurrections and coups? It’s not relevant. So why should I waste my beautiful mind on something like that?’
― rare lipstick or mohawks that somehow make them more valuable (President Keyes), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 13:50 (three years ago)
You mistake the warnings of leftists about fascism with faith or concern with protecting Empire— it is about protecting people, and no matter what any of you say, the US federal government seems to be much more interested in immiserating or killing people than protecting them.
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 13:53 (three years ago)
“our democracy “ lmfao
i'm allowed to pay attention to the hearings and be informed about it and also agree with those of you on this thread who think that nothing will change, nothing will happen. i think snarkily/sneering at folks who want to be informed is a bad look and makes those folks doing the sneering look and seem petty.
― a (waterface), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 13:57 (three years ago)
Part of the problem is surely timing. This is an unfortunate month to call attention to the failed version of "a small group of undemocratic extremists take over the govt and strip people of their rights" when you're struggling to demonstrate you can do anything about the wildly successful but legal version of the same thing.
That said, if the Ds hadn't done something in response to 1/6, it would be yet another sign of their uselessness.
― rob, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 14:08 (three years ago)
but surely a white saviour on a white horse will turn up before it all goes sideways completely and the day will be saved. Not holding my breath, but surely .
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 14:12 (three years ago)
anyways... for those who do care, the witness at the "suprise" hearing today is Cassidy Hutchison.
― rare lipstick or mohawks that somehow make them more valuable (President Keyes), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 14:15 (three years ago)
would someone just fucking primary Biden in '24
― Heez, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 14:21 (three years ago)
CNN ran a brief and shallow story about how people are asking Manchin to run as a 3rd party candidate lol
― made entirely of styrofoam (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 14:42 (three years ago)
Many people are asking it, you’re hearing it more and more
― Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 14:47 (three years ago)
Best part was they framed it like "people are sick of white men in their 80s running for prez (Manchin is 74)"
― made entirely of styrofoam (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 14:48 (three years ago)
Did these people used to be Veep candidates in the year 2000?
― rare lipstick or mohawks that somehow make them more valuable (President Keyes), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 14:48 (three years ago)
i'm not some fanboy but aoc should primary him. like who has national recognition and doesn't suck
― Heez, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:06 (three years ago)
she's not yet 35 iirc
― rob, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:07 (three years ago)
she will be
― in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:07 (three years ago)
Timing is tight, but she turns 35 in Oct. 2024.
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:08 (three years ago)
ah ok thanks
― rob, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:09 (three years ago)
i can't think of anyone else but matthew mcconaughey
― Heez, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:13 (three years ago)
joking
I've tried to imagine what AOC could do next that would be bigger/more effective but haven't landed on anything. A doomed primary run is kind of demoralizing to contemplate, but I suppose it could help boost her profile
― rob, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:15 (three years ago)
Amazon CEO.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:16 (three years ago)
why not primary Chuck Shumer?
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:16 (three years ago)
xxpost worked for Tulsi
― rare lipstick or mohawks that somehow make them more valuable (President Keyes), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:17 (three years ago)
I’d say run for senate my god the forces arrayed against her (and that’s just her own party and party’s biggest donors) will be off the charts
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:17 (three years ago)
*but my god
I'd like to think AOC would start off with the Bernie base supporting her, but after years of attacks I don't know if she could even count on that.
― rare lipstick or mohawks that somehow make them more valuable (President Keyes), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:19 (three years ago)
don’t think it’s going to be “the base” that will be her main problem
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:21 (three years ago)
― Heez, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:24 (three years ago)
Not a problem, per se. But most Presidential candidates at her level of experience would start out at like .05% in the polls. If she was seen as Bernie's successor she could very well debut in double digits. But even to semi-rational people a candidate who receives relentless negative coverage begins to seem tarnished.
― rare lipstick or mohawks that somehow make them more valuable (President Keyes), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:27 (three years ago)
we're doomed
― Heez, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:31 (three years ago)
i've come to really dislike Biden. in a way i didn't think was possible when i voted for him. the fucking gall of pulling troops out of afghanistan because you want to hit the anniversary of 9/11. fuck
― Heez, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:32 (three years ago)
pulling troops out of Afghanistan is literally the only good thing he’s done imo. anniversary thing is silly but hey whatever it takes to get these leaky brained idiots to do something good
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:40 (three years ago)
yeah, of all the possible things to complain about, that seems like a odd one
― Muad'Doob (Moodles), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:42 (three years ago)
i'm talking about the way it was done. they stranded women and families who have been murdered by the Taliban. he fucking rushed it so we could make it a lil celebratory thing bc our experience as americans is all that matters. my wife literally, to this day, gets plea's from women to help her get out. the last one mentioned that the taliban had sent pictures of her murdered family to her house. so yeah, not really an odd thing to get pissed about
― Heez, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:45 (three years ago)
get them out
― Heez, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:46 (three years ago)
I think there's a lot of good things the Biden administration has done, maybe nothing splashy and certainly not enough to meet the moment, but still...
https://apnews.com/article/climate-biden-and-environment-government-politics-13e5d01c3f43c899e39f337d478c1179
idk if the time is right for someone like AOC just yet, but no one else is stepping up to be the face of the Democrat party. I'm thinking someone like Elizabeth Warren could be successful, but hopefully it's someone several decades younger than she is
― frogbs, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:46 (three years ago)
and sorry but it's a shame more ppl on this board aren't pissed about it
― Heez, Tuesday, June 28, 2022
You had me until the last sentence. A cheap politician's trick, but we're out.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:54 (three years ago)
Did you read anything I wrote after that?
― Heez, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:55 (three years ago)
Biden's been excellent with nominating judges, better than Obama and even Trump.
And his Title IX rules acknowledge and protect trans citizens.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:55 (three years ago)
I’m confused y’all are cool with how we left Afghanistan?
― Heez, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:56 (three years ago)
I’m emphasizing HOW here
I’m mostly not cool with how we ever went there to begin with. And embarrassed to say I bought into Obama’s “good war” narrative early on. what a shitshow, stem to stern and by god we’ll do something just as stupid again
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 15:59 (three years ago)
this is good i guess: https://www.washingtonpost.com/us-policy/2022/06/28/taliban-afghanistan-white-house-money/
― Heez, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 16:00 (three years ago)
and i get that Biden's hands were basically tied due to trump completely removing the afghan govt from negotiations... it's just pathetic the way they evacuated
― Heez, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 16:01 (three years ago)
One of my best friends covered the war as a political reporter, Heez, and as much as he opposed the war and lauded the administration's move he too thought abandoning crucial allies a catastrophe. We did get about, what, 120,000 out iirc?
So I sympathize with you and your wife's positions.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 16:02 (three years ago)
yeah, my wife personally helped get women out so it's a big issue for me. i play basketball with a former afghan soldier (he's terrible). i just don't see how anyone could justify how we left that country and the fact that it was rushed so we could hit an anniversary just makes me think fuck us
― Heez, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 16:04 (three years ago)
Very interesting seeing the John Oliver piece on overcalculating how much water was being tyaken out of teh Colorado river and comparing the non mathematics with the amount of resources taht are going to be taken up by the children who will be forced to be born if nothing chnages here. I'm just listening to America Dissected talking about the results of last week's decision. Which is where teh idea of calculating assumed resources is coming from. Like somebody is living in a fantasy world. & one would hope taht if there is such a thing as a right this could not be conceived of being a thing that was something other than a mistake that somebody would be trying to disown by now. Still hoping for some kind of saviour though I hope it is more public will being strong enough not only to overturn this but to use the opportunity to get to a more permanent more egalitarian end
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 16:06 (three years ago)
good for Biden’s number of judges (seriously, pretty astounding numbers). but I’d like to see some stats on where they’ve worked (I’m going to wager a lot of DLA Piper types), who they’ve defended (probably Exxon) and their records while on the bench. I suspect those stats would show a lot of deference to the worst entities on earth. But tbc, I’m posting from a place of ignorance so very happy to be proven wrong. I just anticipate a lot of future galaxy-brained decisions protecting the powerful and further immiserating the not, and then getting to hear about “well that was a Biden appointment so hey what can you do”
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 16:16 (three years ago)
Kentaji Brown Jackson obv a notable and important exception.
https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2022/06/02/bidens-judicial-appointments-still-very-diverse-but-numbers-may-be-falling-off/
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 16:22 (three years ago)
What happens when all the extra unwanted kids are born and take up space and aren't just a moral abstract that one can beat people around teh head with. & the overstretched finances of parents who didn't want more kids don't stretch to fit things. & the church and the supposedly moral upright don't help fund the lives they have forced into being. How many underclasses are created and where do they live and what do they eat. & how much more waste do they create.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 16:26 (three years ago)
The Afghanistan withdrawal date was negotiated with the Taliban (by Trump) and extended once by Biden. We weren’t in a position to unilaterally extend it again, by late summer we were operating at the indulgence of the Taliban.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 16:35 (three years ago)
"even to semi-rational people a candidate who receives relentless negative coverage begins to seem tarnished"
all good people in politics receive massive negative coverage. You have to maintain your values and understand that these people are good and see them as the opposite of tarnished.
That's from UK experience, anyway.
― the pinefox, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 16:35 (three years ago)
There was no good way to leave that would not have resulted in the Taliban rapidly sweeping into power and much of the panic and chaos we witnessed. The Kabul government was a house of cards. Our leaving removed its only prop and it fell instantly.
You seem to think it was possible to execute a massive airlift of all the Afghanis who wanted to leave. The very fact of organizing such an operation would have been a signal that the Kabul government was doomed to fail.
I try imagining how that could have been arranged with the blessing of the Afghan government and an apparatus for evaluating whose applications for asylum met a politically acceptable set of criteria, when there would have been at least half a million rushing for the exit. My imagination fails to find a version of reality where that could have happened.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 16:36 (three years ago)
i'm sorry am i the only one who has read about how the actual evacuation went down? it was a miserable failure
― Heez, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 16:38 (three years ago)
the Biden admin thought the afghan govt would hold kabul for months
― Heez, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 16:39 (three years ago)
and yeah they had complete control of kabul and could have evaculated a lot more
great imagination, Aimless!
― Heez, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 16:40 (three years ago)
miserable failures really have to be priced in any time we start world copping. like what’s the bar for success? Libya?
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 16:41 (three years ago)
yall i am solely talking about the evacuation. i very much understand that biden had no choice but to pull the troops (which i support!), but it was a failure that fucked so many women. i'm certainly not in support of world copping
― Heez, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 16:44 (three years ago)
It's much easier to imagine if you eliminate from consideration all the missteps and accumulated blunders from 2002 to 2021 of which the withdrawal was the culmination.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 16:47 (three years ago)
I thought people found occupying Afghanistan deeply difficult since Europeans started trying to. & the Brits had been writing about their failure to do so throughout the 19th century and fun things like that. So continuing to try might seen a tad Quixotic but Trump didn't make things nay easier talking openly about actual gain one could expect to take home with him.
― Stevolende, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 16:54 (three years ago)
sounds like today's testimony will be particularly damning
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 17:13 (three years ago)
Very interesting seeing the John Oliver piece on overcalculating how much water was being tyaken out of teh Colorado river and comparing the non mathematics with the amount of resources taht are going to be taken up by the children who will be forced to be born if nothing chnages here.
I liked that piece because it demonstrated how absolutely insane capitalism can be, the issue on its own seems manageable but it's getting complicated by the fact that they're building fucking golf courses and resorts in the desert, it's truly maddening
― frogbs, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 17:31 (three years ago)
Hutchinson testifying that Meadows (and Trump) informed about men armed with AR-15s etc. at the 1/6 rally and had no reaction
― rare lipstick or mohawks that somehow make them more valuable (President Keyes), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 17:33 (three years ago)
Spears at the end of flagpoles even!
Sharks with lasers.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 17:34 (three years ago)
lol again can't believe anyone suggesting we don't pay attention to this
― a (waterface), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 17:40 (three years ago)
the antics of the SA are merely a distraction and we should only confront Herr Hitler in the marketplace of ideas
― bury my heart in wounded kieth (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 17:42 (three years ago)
Thanks for the link Alfred. This looks promising: Over a third of Biden’s 42 2021 appointees had some public defender experience, and almost as many had at least three years’ experience. As a proportion of all appointees, they more than doubled public defenders among Obama’s appointees, and were much more than other predecessors.
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 17:54 (three years ago)
Trump physically attacking his aide in the car--did this come out before?
― rare lipstick or mohawks that somehow make them more valuable (President Keyes), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 17:56 (three years ago)
no
― a (waterface), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 17:57 (three years ago)
fucking crazy
Jfc
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 17:58 (three years ago)
And throwing his lunch against the wall, but that would surprise no one I guess.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 18:01 (three years ago)
I like the pulling off the table cloth and making everything fall on the floor moveVery rich kid
― rare lipstick or mohawks that somehow make them more valuable (President Keyes), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 18:02 (three years ago)
I don't buy that Trump actually used adult people's dishes when eating.
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 18:02 (three years ago)
I have to say, if this is the best response they have...
Just about everything she's saying is HEARSAY. WHO CARES!!!!! Hey Cassidy, you were chosen to be a witness just like the others were. FOR OPTICS. Some "lawyer" and "investigators" like hanging out with you. GO HOME. pic.twitter.com/6XZx4Lhlii— G Raymond Kelly (aka Greg Kelly) (@gregkellyusa) June 28, 2022
― rare lipstick or mohawks that somehow make them more valuable (President Keyes), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 18:07 (three years ago)
Jurors regularly have to evaluate the credibility of witnesses and their testimony. She seemed pretty damned credible to me and was very careful to confine her testimony only to what she had seen or heard.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 18:13 (three years ago)
"I like to angrily throw food at the wall! He's a regular guy, just like us!"
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 18:15 (three years ago)
in Truth Social, Trump dismisses Hutchinson as something akin to a coffee boy pic.twitter.com/D4r7x0xw3M— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) June 28, 2022
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 18:15 (three years ago)
yea this is nuts and I think it's pretty clear that these hearings are revealing quite a bit more than just what we saw
I'm still not convinced anything important is gonna happen but it seems really clear that Trump deserves to be in jail
― frogbs, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 18:15 (three years ago)
TBH trumps fans love this kind of violent baby tantrum shit they think it’s what real manly men do and if they don’t do this themselves in real life they wish they could.
― Antifa Sandwich Artist (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 18:16 (three years ago)
You know, doing something about this could be a positive step for Democrats to show voters they'll actually protect abortion rights before the 78 Senator threshold is met.
Viewer discretion advised. LAPD officers beat a man on the ground at the pro-choice protest and slam his head onto the cement until he shows seizure-like symptoms. I tried to give him water and LAPD smacked the water out of my hand. Then they dragged the man away on the ground. pic.twitter.com/UmXEpQuDHq— Vishal P. Singh (they/he) 🏳️⚧️ (@VPS_Reports) June 25, 2022
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 18:21 (three years ago)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWXANl_UEAExU7a?format=jpg&name=medium
Donald Trump: a strange man, it must be said. Not sure what's going on there.— Osita Nwanevu (@OsitaNwanevu) June 28, 2022
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 18:30 (three years ago)
Unfortunately he missed, and his hand smashed into the tape deck, briefly interrupting the Big and Rich album
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 18:52 (three years ago)
Grisham was the last White House press secretary under Trump, the one who never actually spoke to the press.
pic.twitter.com/PQXLSsv6IJ— Stephanie Grisham (@OMGrisham) June 28, 2022
― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 19:03 (three years ago)
To think we never were given the joyous opportunity to have Melania as press secretary.
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 19:05 (three years ago)
In Trump's 'truth' - "... after my having served a full term in office..."
Why did he feel a need to mention this? so we don't confuse him with Gerald Ford?
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 19:15 (three years ago)
Because the two impeachments still sting. Everything he so obviously tries to minimize cuts him to his little baby soul.
― Three Rings for the Elven Bishop (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 19:20 (three years ago)
Cheney showed samples of these messages, promising much more:
Cheney's closing is stunning: they think they have evidence of witness tampering and obstruction of justice.There is an old maxim: it's never the crime, it's always the coverup.Things went very badly for the former President today. My guess is that it will get worse from here— Mick Mulvaney (@MickMulvaney) June 28, 2022
― deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 19:20 (three years ago)
wasn't Mulvaney in on it?
― politics is about vibes and the vibes are off (stevie), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 19:25 (three years ago)
they shipped him off to Ireland iirc
― rare lipstick or mohawks that somehow make them more valuable (President Keyes), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 19:27 (three years ago)
He’d been moved to special envoy for Northern Ireland at that point.
― deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 19:28 (three years ago)
(On video played at hearings today:Cheney: Do you believe in the peaceful transition of power?Flynn: The Fifth.)At the end, maybe as a preview, they showed so-far uncredited statements about witness-tampering, albeit in the form of "We know you'll do the right thing."Hopefully Hutchinson's testimony will encourage others to come forward, also some of the people she named to get supoenas, oh yeah and FBI has added John Eastman's phone to their collection.
― dow, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 19:34 (three years ago)
what's funny is eastman's phone (iirc) only came up in the news because he made a request to get his phone back from the FBI, who has had it for several days
it's like, buddy
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 19:36 (three years ago)
And I suppose they'll try squeezing one guy to get another, standard practice for Fed criminal investigations.
― dow, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 19:36 (three years ago)
Are these hearings as much to get Garland to fucking do something?
― Antifa Sandwich Artist (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 19:43 (three years ago)
The committee played police radio transmissions describing people carrying weapons, as well as testimony from White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson describing former president Donald Trump’s urging the Secret Service to remove metal detectors rather than turn away people with weapons.
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 19:48 (three years ago)
Today seems really bad.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 19:55 (three years ago)
Brainstem keeps firing:
He continues to offer live reactions: pic.twitter.com/swz5yRRYlL— Colin Campbell (@colincampbell) June 28, 2022
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 19:56 (three years ago)
Why would she have to clean it up, I hardly knew who she was?
― rare lipstick or mohawks that somehow make them more valuable (President Keyes), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 20:01 (three years ago)
Totally not worried
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 20:03 (three years ago)
"Unselect Committee!" Whoa, 'sick' burn, bro
Not sure how I feel about these ending up on twitter
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 20:04 (three years ago)
He only lets his broken dishes be cleaned up by people he knows, the best people.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 20:04 (three years ago)
Normally I don't want to see them end up on Twitter, but when Truth inevitably crashes and burns it might be a worthwhile record of additional lies.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 20:05 (three years ago)
I'm a little heartened by the totally anecdotal instances I'm seeing of MAGAs on social media being like, "Trump was great, but DeSantis is my man." Not that I think DeSantis isn't a threat, but I'm not convinced yet of his national viability. Whatever he has, he doesn't have Trump's star power.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 20:07 (three years ago)
BREAKING - U.S. Supreme Court reinstates Louisiana congressional district map that a lower court had blocked over racial bias concerns— Andrew Chung (@andrew_chung_) June 28, 2022
― papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 20:12 (three years ago)
yea I always assume the worst of Trump but actively trying to get metal detectors removed b/c he knew armed terrorists were coming in is the kind of shit most countries would give you the death penalty for. in this country it's really just free press for your next run for office
― frogbs, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 20:12 (three years ago)
Wondering what he planned to do if they did let him go to the Capitol
― rare lipstick or mohawks that somehow make them more valuable (President Keyes), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 20:15 (three years ago)
Hang Mike Pence, duh.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 20:16 (three years ago)
he would have advised everyone to please wear a mask
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 20:17 (three years ago)
Let's be real, he would have been a hyperventilating mess after 7 seconds in the crowd and had to be dragged back into his car by the nearest agent.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 20:19 (three years ago)
Probably the best, most important way to understand today’s testimony is to realize that all of this and likely much more has been known to numerous high level officials from the beginning. Some of them are purported “good guys,” Vice President Pence, the White House Counsel Pat Cipollone, etc. They all knew all of it from the very beginning. They knew it during the impeachment trial. They knew it during the initial efforts to set up a Jan. 6th Commission. And yet they’ve spent 18 months using every legal and extra-legal means to keep this all secret. Indeed, virtually all of them are refusing to testify down until today.
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 20:22 (three years ago)
I know there are much bigger fish to fry right now, but this seems like a sure move to set up the next "I smell marijuana" defense for cops to harass people of color:
Streets across the state of Florida are set to get much quieter on Friday when a new law goes into effect. Beginning July 1, drivers can receive a fine of up to $114 for blasting music in their cars. The new law allows officers to ticket those playing music audible from a minimum 25-foot distance. For reference, the average car is about 15 feet long, making it within the statute for an officer to ticket the driver in front of them if their music is audible. These regulations become even stricter within close proximity of churches, schools and hospitals.
Fairly certain that even NPR at a reasonable volume can be heard 25 feet away from a car with a cracked window.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 21:00 (three years ago)
But florida is the birthplace of booty bass! this is wrong
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 21:08 (three years ago)
blatantly racist law
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 21:52 (three years ago)
Yeah, I doubt the cops will be pulling over any of the good ol' boys blasting Toby Keith from their pickups.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 21:59 (three years ago)
Morgan Wallen, honey. Toby Keith is so 2006!
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 22:03 (three years ago)
Not honoring that law sorry FL
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 22:03 (three years ago)
I know these may be famous last words but DeSantis is a short ethnic and for nationwide office Republicans love tall Aryans
― Antifa Sandwich Artist (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 22:06 (three years ago)
maybe he just wants to be Trump's new VP, since it's such a respected position
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 22:11 (three years ago)
Morgan Wallen, honey.
I had to Google him.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 22:18 (three years ago)
he had the weird haircut, and then Ted Cruz got the same cut to show his solidarity with racist behavior
― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 28 June 2022 22:38 (three years ago)
dark brandon is the only man who has my back pic.twitter.com/0k4KSLF8yp— ギンコ🐡 (@Ginko_02) June 28, 2022
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 22:51 (three years ago)
Haha Jesus Christ I can’t believe that’s real. Context is better but…not that much?
― Osama bin Chinese (gyac), Tuesday, 28 June 2022 22:57 (three years ago)
shit I thought he was lying about being Irish
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 00:20 (three years ago)
Speaking at a religious service Sunday in Colorado, she told worshipers: “The church is supposed to direct the government. The government is not supposed to direct the church. That is not how our Founding Fathers intended it.”She added: “I’m tired of this separation of church and state junk that’s not in the Constitution. It was in a stinking letter, and it means nothing like what they say it does.” Her comments were first reported by the Denver Post.
She added: “I’m tired of this separation of church and state junk that’s not in the Constitution. It was in a stinking letter, and it means nothing like what they say it does.” Her comments were first reported by the Denver Post.
honestly i find her honesty refreshing, even though she's being honest about being a christian nationalist. the church is supposed to direct the government. and the church is a christian one, right? i assume we're all cool with that
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 01:02 (three years ago)
who is "she", you might be wondering
talkin about Boebert
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 01:03 (three years ago)
Shut yo mouth
― Antifa Sandwich Artist (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 01:13 (three years ago)
wtf was trump planning to do if they let him go to the capitol?
― treeship., Wednesday, 29 June 2022 01:28 (three years ago)
and could he really not overpower the secret service? i don't doubt hutchinson's testimony, but i think he was posturing and bullshitting, a kind of "don't hold me back, bro!" thing
― treeship., Wednesday, 29 June 2022 01:29 (three years ago)
President Bilko
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 01:30 (three years ago)
if only he could have accidentally opened the door, fallen out, and his head rolled down the street like a soccer ball
in any case her testimony illustrate that he approved of the mob and hoped something would come out of that kind of display of force. which is funny, on the one hand, because he didn't realize how impotent that riot made him look, but on the other hand it also shows, once again, that he was willing to try anything to overturn the election. it's absolutely insane that this guy is likely going to be the republican nominee again.
― treeship., Wednesday, 29 June 2022 01:35 (three years ago)
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Tuesday, June 28, 2022 9:30 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
my point is that if he was really serious about going they'd probably stand aside
― treeship., Wednesday, 29 June 2022 01:36 (three years ago)
If the military hadn't told him to pound sand, he might have become President for Life.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 01:36 (three years ago)
but i think he was posturing and bullshitting, a kind of "don't hold me back, bro!" thing
i don't know, seems like more than that. here's the transcript:
So, once the president had gotten into the vehicle with Bobby, he thought that they were going up to the Capitol. And when Bobby had relayed to him we're not, we don't have the assets to do it, it's not secure, we're going back to the West Wing, the president had a very strong, a very angry response to that.Tony described him as being irate. The president said something to the effect of I'm the f'ing president, take me up to the Capitol now, to which Bobby responded, sir, we have to go back to the West Wing. The president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. Mr. Engel grabbed his arm, said, sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel.We're going back to the West Wing. We're not going to the Capitol. Mr. Trump then used his free hand to lunge towards Bobby Engel. And Mr. — when Mr. Ornato had recounted this story to me, he had motioned towards his clavicles.
Tony described him as being irate. The president said something to the effect of I'm the f'ing president, take me up to the Capitol now, to which Bobby responded, sir, we have to go back to the West Wing. The president reached up towards the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. Mr. Engel grabbed his arm, said, sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel.
We're going back to the West Wing. We're not going to the Capitol. Mr. Trump then used his free hand to lunge towards Bobby Engel. And Mr. — when Mr. Ornato had recounted this story to me, he had motioned towards his clavicles.
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 01:37 (three years ago)
yeah
― treeship., Wednesday, 29 June 2022 01:38 (three years ago)
seems insane
― treeship., Wednesday, 29 June 2022 01:39 (three years ago)
"iT's A nOtHiNgBuRgEr!"
so I'm really glad I didn't know any of this shit on 1/6 or I may have passed out
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 01:44 (three years ago)
honestly i think if he could have gotten there he would have stood near his car and waved at them or something, and left shortly after, awkwardly. i'm sure he wanted to storm the capitol in his mind, or whatever. but in reality there would just be a very strange photo of him standing by his armored vehicles, waving at the proud boys and oath keepers trying to murder mike pence, per his instructions, as well as some of the worst people in the united states cheering for him.
all of that sounds really pathetic, but it perfectly fits with his self-image and what's important to him, i think. he had just lost an election, even his own cronies like barr were telling him the stolen election stuff was bullshit, and he must have known, somewhere in his head, that having rudy giulini and that one total fucking idiot, i forgot her name, be the face of his effort to steal the election would not end well. jan 6 was a shit show but it was also maybe his last chance (of that year) to double-down for the billionth time, and maybe it would work. if you always double-down, it just has to work once. and they got pretty close to what they wanted that day! i mean, a good part of the reason things didn't get any worse was _the integrity of mike pence_, and man that has to scare the living shit out of anyone who hears it
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 01:45 (three years ago)
i don't mean it's a nothingburger, it's clearly MORE evidence that he led a criminal conspiracy to overturn the election that resulted, ultimately, in a deadly riot at the capitol.
― treeship., Wednesday, 29 June 2022 01:47 (three years ago)
i just mean it is funny to think about what was going on in his mind at that time. like, was he picturing himself marching into congress while it was in session or something?
― treeship., Wednesday, 29 June 2022 01:49 (three years ago)
remember that scene in the film Rudy where the whole crowd chants "Rudy! Rudy! Rudy! Rudy!" because they were so inspired by his story, caught up in his special moment? basically he wanted that, for him. A crowd of his people, the ones with really tacky taste, all together. they probably would have chanted his name, too, or said something like "we want trump". i mean, people kind of casually accept that trump is a narcissist, but that shit is real and there is no more tailor made narcissistic fantasy than being the president and having a mob of your supporters willing to kill people on your command. i guess
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 01:52 (three years ago)
i think for me it's just the image of meadows on his couch, doomscrolling and doing jackshit about anything when he's the fucking chief of staff. what a towering jackass
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 01:54 (three years ago)
i'm honestly surprised the secret service didn't just let him doddle over there
― treeship., Wednesday, 29 June 2022 01:55 (three years ago)
https://i.imgur.com/kUUQku8.png
i believe this image is the key to the united states of america and the next 250 years
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 01:58 (three years ago)
i wonder if trump knew they wanted to hang mike pence and, if so, if he was planning some stirring brutus-like speech to justify it
― treeship., Wednesday, 29 June 2022 02:00 (three years ago)
what exactly was going on with the metal detectors? he demanded that they be removed from the area near where he was speaking? were they?
― treeship., Wednesday, 29 June 2022 02:01 (three years ago)
Somewhere today I saw that he wanted to go there with the metal detectors down, because of "the visuals": a nice picture, as Karl surmised, with the biggest, most beautiful crowd possible, cheering on his biggest, most beautiful speech possible. And then, and then---aw, whatever happened, happened. But no ketchup on the wall today, buddy.
― dow, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 02:01 (three years ago)
“ honestly i think if he could have gotten there he would have stood near his car and waved at them or something, and left shortly after, awkwardly. i'm sure he wanted to storm the capitol in his mind, or whatever. but in reality there would just be a very strange photo of him standing by his armored vehicles, waving at the proud boys and oath keepers trying to murder mike pence, per his instructions, as well as some of the worst people in the united states cheering for him.”
For whatever reason this gave me the solid laugh I needed today
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 02:02 (three years ago)
I think "the visuals" was supposed to be an alibi or scale-down, and we may hear it on Fox.
― dow, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 02:04 (three years ago)
xposts re: whether trump knew about the hang mike pence stuff
yes, he knew, and he (Trump) said he thought Pence deserved it. from today:
...CASSIDY HUTCHINSON: I'm going to go hand the phone to him and he said, Ok. So I went down. I asked the valet if Mark was in the dining room. The valet said, yes. I opened the door — The dining room, briefly stepped in to get Mark's attention. I showed him the phone, like flipped the phone his way so he could see it said Jim Jordan. He had stepped to where I was standing there holding the door open, took the phone, talking to Jim with the door still propped open, so I took a few steps back.So, I probably was two feet from Mark. He was standing in the doorway going into the Oval Office dining room. They had a brief conversation. And in the crossfires — you know, I heard briefly, like, what they were talking about, but in the background I had heard conversations in the Oval Dining Room with the — at that point talking about the hang Mike Pence chants. [End videotape]LIZ CHENEY: That clip ended, Ms. Hutchinson, with you recalling that you heard the president, Mr. Meadows, and the White House counsel discussing the hang Mike Pence chants, and then you described for us what happened next. [Begin videotape]CASSIDY HUTCHINSON: It wasn't until Mark hung up the phone, handed it back to me. I went back to my desk a couple of minutes later. Him and Pat came back, possibly Eric Herschmann too. I'm pretty sure Eric Herschmann was there, but I'm — I'm confident it was Pat that was there. I remember Pat saying something to the effect of, Mark, we need to do something more.They're literally calling for the vice president to be f'ing hung. And Mark had responded something to the effect of, you heard him, Pat. He thinks Mike deserves it. He doesn't think they're doing anything wrong, to which Pat said something, this is f'ing crazy, we need to be doing something more. Briefly stepped into Mark's office, and when Mark had said something — when Mark had said something to the effect of he doesn't think they're doing anything wrong. Knowing what I had heard briefly in the dining room coupled with Pat discussing the hanging Mike Pence chants in the lobby of our office and then Mark's response, I understood "they're" to be the rioters in the Capitol that were chanting for the vice president to be hung. [End videotape]LIZ CHENEY: Let me pause here on this point. As rioters chanted hang Mike Pence, the president of the United States, Donald Trump, said that "Mike deserves it," and that those rioters were not doing anything wrong. This is a sentiment that he has expressed at other times as well. In an interview with ABC News correspondent Jonathan Karl, President Trump was asked about the supporters chanting hang Mike Pence last year.
So, I probably was two feet from Mark. He was standing in the doorway going into the Oval Office dining room. They had a brief conversation. And in the crossfires — you know, I heard briefly, like, what they were talking about, but in the background I had heard conversations in the Oval Dining Room with the — at that point talking about the hang Mike Pence chants. [End videotape]
LIZ CHENEY: That clip ended, Ms. Hutchinson, with you recalling that you heard the president, Mr. Meadows, and the White House counsel discussing the hang Mike Pence chants, and then you described for us what happened next. [Begin videotape]
CASSIDY HUTCHINSON: It wasn't until Mark hung up the phone, handed it back to me. I went back to my desk a couple of minutes later. Him and Pat came back, possibly Eric Herschmann too. I'm pretty sure Eric Herschmann was there, but I'm — I'm confident it was Pat that was there. I remember Pat saying something to the effect of, Mark, we need to do something more.
They're literally calling for the vice president to be f'ing hung. And Mark had responded something to the effect of, you heard him, Pat. He thinks Mike deserves it. He doesn't think they're doing anything wrong, to which Pat said something, this is f'ing crazy, we need to be doing something more. Briefly stepped into Mark's office, and when Mark had said something — when Mark had said something to the effect of he doesn't think they're doing anything wrong. Knowing what I had heard briefly in the dining room coupled with Pat discussing the hanging Mike Pence chants in the lobby of our office and then Mark's response, I understood "they're" to be the rioters in the Capitol that were chanting for the vice president to be hung. [End videotape]
LIZ CHENEY: Let me pause here on this point. As rioters chanted hang Mike Pence, the president of the United States, Donald Trump, said that "Mike deserves it," and that those rioters were not doing anything wrong. This is a sentiment that he has expressed at other times as well. In an interview with ABC News correspondent Jonathan Karl, President Trump was asked about the supporters chanting hang Mike Pence last year.
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 02:04 (three years ago)
it's really amazing that we had such a truly delusional lunatic as president. we've machiavellian lunatics before, but no one this "out there"
― treeship., Wednesday, 29 June 2022 02:06 (three years ago)
<3 glad to hear that :) truth really is way, way stranger than fiction, it has now been conclusively proven
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 02:06 (three years ago)
Cheers, KM
I appreciated how prone L. Cheney was to reiteration in today’s hearing, like, to underline how completely insane all of this was
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 02:08 (three years ago)
treezy none of my responses are critiquing what you've said btw, I was mocking the commentary on Twitter that was omnipresent today. I pretty much agree with your takes.
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 02:08 (three years ago)
ah gotcha
― treeship., Wednesday, 29 June 2022 02:08 (three years ago)
Yeah, he responded to Jonathan Karl, re hang Mike Pence, "It's common sense, it's common sense"(adding something about "when there's blatant voter fraud").
― dow, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 02:09 (three years ago)
Right, KM? Pretty sure that was it, rhyme and all.
― dow, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 02:10 (three years ago)
lmao and i believe pence is still sort of tepid and circumspect in his criticisms of trump
― treeship., Wednesday, 29 June 2022 02:11 (three years ago)
same as it ever wassame as it ever was
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 02:12 (three years ago)
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 02:13 (three years ago)
"well, see, the president believed due to his reading of, um, the consitution, that i should be hung for treason by a mob. he thought they should flay my skin in the public square, as was done, i believe, to some witches in medieval europe. i happen to have a different view of this issue. but i still respect the great work the president did in passing the largest tax cuts in a generation"
― treeship., Wednesday, 29 June 2022 02:15 (three years ago)
seriously the only public figure I can think of who is as impenetrably strange as him is probably Tommy Wiseau
― frogbs, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 02:16 (three years ago)
Kyrie Irving
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 02:21 (three years ago)
xpost dow
close, i think! according to the transcript it was
JONATHAN KARL: Saying hang Mike Pence.
DONALD TRUMP: Because it's — it's common sense, Jon. It's common sense that you're supposed to protect — how can you — if you know a vote is fraudulent, right, how can you pass on a fraudulent vote to Congress?
pence is a coward, but i do think he truly believes in the evangelical stuff and probably really does see trump as a Cyrus-like figure, a very flawed, perhaps even completely evil man that god is using as part of his plan for mike pence and his friends and family to enjoy celestial heaven while their enemies burn, eternally. which, by the way, is as long as you've been alive, every single second, burning agony for those that are there, only your whole lifetime is but a grain of sand on a beach that is getting more sandy with every passing agonizing burning second
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 02:21 (three years ago)
xp what is odd is that some people don't see trump as weird. like, i remember an old colleague who was a liberal and she said "the appeal of trump makes sense. he is just your classic, straight white alpha male businessman. successful, tall, like ronald reagan or mitt romney." i was amazed someone saw him as a run of the mill rich guy and not like a perverted version of that archetype constructed in a nightmare.
― treeship., Wednesday, 29 June 2022 02:21 (three years ago)
no disrespect to Cyrus by comparing trump to him there, lol
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 02:22 (three years ago)
yea Kyrie is a good comparison but Kyrie at least generally seems to dislike talking to people while both Trump and Wiseau can never stop talking mostly thanks to this weirdly aggressive tendency to lie about every portion of their lives
― frogbs, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 02:23 (three years ago)
they just sit there as the the ketchup goes flying and meadows doomscrolls and people are using american flags to stab people, and they think "god, i hope i'm not expected to kiss mother in public in heaven. that's embarrasking, gee willickers"
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 02:24 (three years ago)
kyrie doesn't seem like he emerged from the lodge in twin peaks though.
― treeship., Wednesday, 29 June 2022 02:24 (three years ago)
way upthread treesh asked:
I'm guessing he intended to further incite the mob to accomplish his most important goal: stopping the certification. I expect he thought his personal presence would sufficiently 'inspire' the mob to ensure that Pence and the Congress could not do their job. Once the process of Biden being officially declared the winner was halted he expected to use the resulting chaos, fear and doubt to buy time, during which he could manipulate the outcome in his favor using lies, threats and intimidation. He probably had no real plan of action beyond that.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 03:06 (three years ago)
Add: He may have hoped that with a bit of luck the whole election could be thrown into the House of Representatives or be settled by appealing to "his" Supreme Court. God knows Justice Thomas would have been on board with that.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 03:13 (three years ago)
secretly hoping Ginni Thomas is the person involved with the witness tampering.
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 04:54 (three years ago)
Yeah in an ideal world the Thomases being directly involved might just automatically invalidate everything they did since. & subsequently the other big thing at the moment would just go bye bye.But would be a bit deus ex machina and not very likely.But god fate of that pair needs to be nasty.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 07:30 (three years ago)
what if there was someone materially responsible for getting Thomas into his position, by gaslighting, excluding, and ostracising his victim, and refusing to allow corroborating witnesses to tesitify
― Vance Vance Devolution (sic), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 07:56 (three years ago)
Actually ideal result is not that overturning Roe vs Wade is undone but that something a lot more coherent is put in isn't it? I have heard people saying that it doesn't really go far enough in any way. Would be good if those working on any further legislation would be end users so not largely men. & if church and state could be like separated or something. Do wonder what an actual Jesus, a swarthy radical jewish guy would think, instead of his ersatz replacement of recent centuries convenient blue eyed white geezer who nicked his name. & handily follows puritanical church creed and stuff.
― Stevolende, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 09:08 (three years ago)
ILX poster Conrad and I saw this Shakespearean play about DJT
https://www.oldvictheatre.com/stage/event/the-47th
which is close to things discussed above.
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 09:59 (three years ago)
oh and Glastonbury is my scene is it
― imago, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 10:25 (three years ago)
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 11:05 (three years ago)
poster Imago: do you, also, like Shakespearean theatre?
― the pinefox, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 11:25 (three years ago)
https://www.thedailybeast.com/mesa-county-clerk-tina-peter-loses-race-for-colorado-secretary-of-state
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 11:58 (three years ago)
Lol “we’re not done fighting” at 15% behind
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 13:26 (three years ago)
I mean, based on the level of fraud, that means she's actually up by about 118 points.
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 13:51 (three years ago)
from a 2018 article in the new yorker about the Fair Housing Act:
Late in President Barack Obama’s second term, in 2015, hud adopted meaningful regulations that put teeth in the Fair Housing Act’s mandate to foster integration. The new rules focussed on enhancing access to good schools, jobs, transportation, recreation, and social services. The regulations had strict time lines, which held both the local jurisdictions and hud accountable. Fair-housing advocates rejoiced. Then came the election of Donald Trump. In January of this year, hud Secretary Ben Carson announced that the department would postpone the Obama-era requirements until at least 2020.
anyone know the status of these regulations?
― Heez, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 17:00 (three years ago)
https://www.hud.gov/AFFH should have links to the relevant rules & regulations, to the extent that they have been written -- AFFH was still very much an idea, not even really a pilot program yet, when Obama left office.
― Attached by piercing jewelry (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 17:11 (three years ago)
Restored last year I think
https://www.hud.gov/press/press_releases_media_advisories/HUD_No_21_098
― rare lipstick or mohawks that somehow make them more valuable (President Keyes), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 17:13 (three years ago)
thanks yall
― Heez, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 17:22 (three years ago)
my nomination for July thread title:
“Bad handwriting, that of a Whacko?”
― rare lipstick or mohawks that somehow make them more valuable (President Keyes), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 17:23 (three years ago)
xpI misspoke -- "affirmatively furthering fair housing" (AFFH) is a provision in the text of the Fair Housing Act that has been in place for a long time, but was always basically handwaved away at the level of enforcement. What changed with the Obama-era regulations was that municipalities were being encouraged to submit an Analysis of Fair Housing (AFH) instead of an Analysis of Impediments (AI), with the understanding that they could be required to develop action plans in the future in order to continue receiving HUD grants, if just "removing impediments" hasn't done enough to achieve meaningful housing integration. But it never actually got to that point (afaik) before Trump took office. I know Philly was one of the metros that was on HUD's radar c.2015-16 for falling short of the AFFH mandate, but I'm quite sure nothing ever came out it.
― Attached by piercing jewelry (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 17:24 (three years ago)
For more on the AFH put together by Philadelphia in 2016 that was read by nobody ever: https://philly.curbed.com/2016/10/28/13440026/philadelphia-assessment-of-fair-housing-report-explainer
― Attached by piercing jewelry (bernard snowy), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 17:27 (three years ago)
xxxxxpost Aimless add re Trump wanting to further inflame the troops on 1/6:
: He may have hoped that with a bit of luck the whole election could be thrown into the House of Representatives
Mo "IT"S TIME FOR KICKIN ASS AND TAKIN NAMES" on 1/6 Brooks and other Reps requested pardons in advance---Mo also made smirking reference to things getting settled in the House when a reporter mentioned the failure of Trump's 69 lawsuits and call to the Supreme Court re fraud. Maybe thinking of the Hayes vs. Tilden "Compromise," which was pretty much the Ted Cruz proposal.
― dow, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 17:44 (three years ago)
gotta say it is frustrating to see the vast majority of media attention being given to Trump reaching for the steering wheel and throwing dinner plates when it was also revealed that he actually made an attempt to get heavily armed people into Capitol grounds, presumably to murder the people they straight up said they wanted to kill. if they wanted to write about that shit they should just go work for Jimmy Fallon
― frogbs, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 19:18 (three years ago)
^^^^
every. fucking. time. the media on all sides latches on to the stupidest fucking detail that can be easily dismissed and allows too many people to just shrug off the whole thing.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 19:21 (three years ago)
We need a meme of the Founding Fathers crying over ketchup oozing down a wall
― rare lipstick or mohawks that somehow make them more valuable (President Keyes), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 19:22 (three years ago)
the steering wheel is of importance because it shows how important being there in person was to him (and casts his sulking afternoon in the white house in a different light).
the ketchup thing (and the stupid headlines) are dumb because it's already well known that he does shit like that
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 19:24 (three years ago)
Not to minimize the very serious stuff that came out of yesterday’s hearing, but the steering wheel thing also links back to the prior Trump steering wheel thing (the fire truck, right?), which made him seem to some like a lovable idiot, an overgrown child pretending to drive a parked vehicle - in marked contrast to what we learned about Tuesday.
But yeah the larger point stands
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 19:27 (three years ago)
I think it’s also getting a lot of attention because it’s a profound and immediate expression of utter and total desperation. It’s small and isolated but it underscores how addled and far gone he is.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 19:29 (three years ago)
And of course Trump's surrogates are already pushing back on that story in the media. It's the weakest point of her testimony, being nothing but pure hearsay (and it was presented as such, she didn't claim to have personal knowledge of the incident).
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 19:29 (three years ago)
For his supporters though, being fought off by secret service while he was trying to join them like he said he would is essentially a heroic act.
― BrianB, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 19:30 (three years ago)
I'm not arguing that these aren't important details to have on the record, I'm expressing disappoint in the outlets that seem to be fixated on those two details in isolation.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 19:31 (three years ago)
I’ll stop talking about this, one last steering wheel point though -
It speaks to the laziness of media and the attention span of media consumers, because it’s so sensationalist and easy. It’s easy!
If someone didn’t bother with this hearing at all, and asked you what happened, and you just wanted to be done with it in 30 seconds, the most simple, direct thing to say is “Trump found out he wasn’t being driven to the protest, freaked out, and attacked his driver, shit was crazy AF.”
Everything else is more significant but everything else demands more context and explanation, maybe even “look, you have to just watch this yourself or search professor Richardson’s summary.”
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 19:34 (three years ago)
But also, what happens if he once again lunges for the wheel of the country in a metaphorical sense...
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 19:34 (three years ago)
Jackass take the wheel
― rare lipstick or mohawks that somehow make them more valuable (President Keyes), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 19:35 (three years ago)
exactly, they're trying to Zapruder the whole thing and use that to argue all the testimony is invalid, which I think kinda works for them because that's the part that's getting covered extensively in the media right now. its got shades of the whole piss tape thing, "look at the desperate lies the left is trying to push", etc.
not saying it's unimportant or necessarily false (no doubt something like this actually did happen), but
the President of the United States literally tried to get metal detectors removed so armed supporters could ambush the Capitol and kill people, including the Vice President! a former general took the fifth when asked if he supported a peaceful transition of power! numerous members of Congress directly asked for pardons, knowing they were committing crimes against the country they took an oath to serve!! I grew up learning that Watergate was the biggest political scandal in history and this seems 5,000 times worse!!!
― frogbs, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 19:37 (three years ago)
The steering wheel anecdote resonates because it's kind of comical and so specific, but I'm not sure it's a superficial or trivial detail. An image like that resonates metaphorically far beyond its literal reality. Other testimony was more damning in terms of the broader circumstances of Jan. 6, but the steering wheel and plate-throwing are such visceral illustrations of both who he is and the MAGA movement at large. I don't think they're insubstantial things.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 20:17 (three years ago)
some good news from GA (https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3851)
warnick is up 10 points on herschel walke
it's the 4th quarter and your team's down, it's 4th and long, and the QB looks at you and says "sir, I'm too tired, you're gonna have to 'carry the ball the rest of the way', it's been the honor of my lifetime to play football with you and get to know you on a personal level as well. the play clock is running low so i have to cut this short, but...maybe you should run for senator some day". i believe running back herschel walker can meet up with coach tuberville and throw a hail mary for american patriots and american football fans across the world
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 20:18 (three years ago)
sorry no Google translator
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 20:25 (three years ago)
I would be surprised if Stacey Abrams won. Warnock, not so much. He is very well regarded here in Georgia, especially among African-Americans, who will be a crucial demographic in a statewide race like this. I don't think the Republican strategy of putting up their own black dude will carry the day, even if that black dude is Herschel Walker.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 20:29 (three years ago)
Herschel Walker may well be the line in the sand of too brain damaged for even 2022 Republicans.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 20:35 (three years ago)
What an awful candidate. The GOP should be embarrassed, but they’re way beyond embarrassment at this point.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 20:35 (three years ago)
I don't think the Republican strategy of putting up their own black dude will carry the day, even if that black dude is Herschel Walker.
Should have gone with Killer Mike. (Yeah, yeah, he was a Bernie guy — you can't fool me, that dude is a Tulsi waiting for the right offer.)
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 20:36 (three years ago)
Brain wormed delusions of grandeur, fine, he's one of us.
CTE-derived delusions of grandeur...
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 20:36 (three years ago)
Most of my Republican friends here are quite upset that he is in the race. They've been predicting an implosion all along.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 20:37 (three years ago)
gonna burn one of those wacky celeb prayer candle feat the visage Paul “Bear” Bryant for this lead to hold
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 20:37 (three years ago)
Should have gone with Killer Mike.
Georgia Republicans are not gonna vote for a rapper.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 20:38 (three years ago)
hoping the Fetterman/Oz race goes the same way, Fetterman is a legitimately good candidate and Oz is some idiot celebrity
he's not literally brain damaged like Herschel is but he does have that same Trumpy thing going on where his concern is his celebrity and not necessarily any political issues and we all know how much damage those guys can do
― frogbs, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 20:49 (three years ago)
I think with both Oz and Walker, Trump et al maybe underestimate the racism of their own base (even as they feed it, of course).
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 20:53 (three years ago)
warnick is up 10 points on herschel walker
biden's approval in the same poll is 33!
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 21:07 (three years ago)
I'm rooting for Fetterman, we need more Carhartt dems
― Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 29 June 2022 21:09 (three years ago)
Oz is really getting hurt by not actually being from PA.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 21:17 (three years ago)
Probably can't name two guys from the Steel Curtain D
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 21:20 (three years ago)
How about Duluth Trading Company Dems?https://www.duluthtrading.com/mens-duluthflex-fire-hose-11-cargo-shorts-36333.html?dwvar_36333_color=BRN&cgid=mens-pants
― Antifa Sandwich Artist (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 21:23 (three years ago)
Fetterman isn't perfect obviously, but he does seem like an ideal PA candidate to me. I went to Penn State and have spent a lot of time in Pennsylvania, its blue-collar identity is a very real thing across the political/cultural spectrum. (With obvious exceptions in the Philly suburbs etc.)
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 21:37 (three years ago)
July 9th.
https://www.womensmarch.com/
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 21:51 (three years ago)
The whole business of Dems supporting far-right candidates...sure hope this doesn't backfire.
Oof, the far-right GOP nominee Darren Bailey is crushing the field so far in the Illinois governor's race. Democrats spent millions to boost him, under the theory he'd be far weaker against Governor J.B. Pritzker in November.— Taniel (@Taniel) June 29, 2022
― deep luminous trombone (Eazy), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 22:25 (three years ago)
that they’re doing this after 2016 is enough reason to never donate to them ever again
― in places all over the world, real stuff be happening (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 22:38 (three years ago)
Let's try something different. pic.twitter.com/uPqCPsPAl2— Jort-Michel Connard 🐘 (@torriangray) June 29, 2022
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 22:45 (three years ago)
^^Not real, BTW.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 22:47 (three years ago)
🤔
― Build My Gallows Hi Hi Hi (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 22:59 (three years ago)
eh, pritzker is going to destroy him.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 23:02 (three years ago)
NEW from me and @adwolfson: President Biden is poised to nominate an anti-abortion Republican attorney for federal judgeship in Kentucky, in apparent deal with Mitch McConnell: https://t.co/nfheQeLVbl via @courierjournal— Joe Sonka 😐 (@joesonka) June 29, 2022
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 23:11 (three years ago)
headbangdesk.gif
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 23:14 (three years ago)
paywall bypassing link
https://archive.ph/mZLpn
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 23:16 (three years ago)
Listen, we could just change the rules of the Senate so that Cocaine Mitch isn't the most powerful politician in the country despite having a minority OR we could give a far-right toddler a lifetime appointment and plan on Mitch keeping his word.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 23:18 (three years ago)
Pritzker will win, but he isn’t going to “destroy” him. It’s going to be close enough to make JB sweat until the end, my guess is one of the suburban ring counties is going tip Bailey’s way to make it way closer than it should be and, hopefully, a major fucking wake up call about how close some of the suburban areas are to becoming decidedly purple.
Even in my super liberal suburban enclave, the “reopen schools” dipshits have moved on to “too much crime” and “something must be done” whistleblowing about the predominantly black and brown schools in the district. It’s gross as fuck and I’ve heard it coming out of the mouths of people who will swear up and down that they are otherwise democrats and progressive. And nearly every one of these dipshits I’ve had to cross paths with (my punishment for volunteering for youth sports I guess) also likes to sprinkle their rants with, “fuck Pritzker”.
JB is going to win, but I think lots of people are going to be surprised by how much closer it gets.
― a superficial sheeb of intelligence (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 23:19 (three years ago)
they are otherwise democrats and progressive
"Ten degrees to the left of center in good times. Ten degrees to the right of center if it affects them personally." IIRC
― papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 29 June 2022 23:22 (three years ago)
Thanks to the Overton shift since 1966 it's now 2/20 though.
fuck, i'm not shocked that it happens, but how widespread is this bullshit this year? it happened in colorado, too:
Colorado’s returns were even more encouraging for the party [GOP]. Businessman Joe O’Dea defeated state Rep. Ron Hanks by nine points in the race to take on Democratic Sen. Michael F. Bennet. Democratic-aligned groups spent big to back Hanks, who they viewed as too extreme for the left-leaning state owing to his attendance at the pro-Trump rally in D.C. on Jan. 6, 2021, and his belief in Trump’s election lies. O’Dea, who is pro-choice, decisively carried the Denver metropolitan area, a sign that suburban Republicans and independents want to take a different course from Trump’s.
what a horrible, horrible idea that is. first, 2016, donald trump. our collective amnesia is always surprising in the way that it...wait, what's going on? anyway, secondly, when democratic groups do this, the best case scenario is that their preferred republican fascist wins the primary and hundreds of thousands of people in the state get the thrill of supporting a fascist that is so legit that they won the primary. and spending millions to do that which could have gone to ANYTHING else. or, instead, they can end up spending millions to support the loser, which then boosts the "moderate" republican's standing in that they triumphed over a democrat-aligned cynical campaign bullshit effort, which obviously shows that the democrats don't think their own candidate is good enough to stand on their own
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 30 June 2022 00:17 (three years ago)
spending a ton of money to fund the craziest opponent is symptomatic of people who spend their ways thinking about how to make money on disasters
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 30 June 2022 00:19 (three years ago)
spending millions of dollars to elevate the profile of far-right candidates is fucking immoral
― rob, Thursday, 30 June 2022 00:27 (three years ago)
Nixon did in 1972 and....it's unbelievable they want to duplicate it.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 June 2022 00:33 (three years ago)
sorry to flood the zone with washington post content, it's just that it's paywalled and that it's on topic and i just noticed it. here's the editorial board today:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/29/democrats-stop-funding-right-wing-candidates/
Democracy itself is on the ballot this election year. The country needs a broad coalition to defeat candidates who would help former president Donald Trump, or another politician in his mold, again attempt a coup in 2024. Which is why it is not just shameless, but dangerous, that Democrats have spent tens of millions this year promoting Republican extremists.By boosting the primary campaigns of right-wing zealots running against more moderate Republicans, Democrats seek to set up favorable races for themselves, against less electable candidates, in the general election. The result is that Democrats have helped Trumpian fanatics move one step closer to offices from which they could directly threaten the nation’s democracy.Tuesday night brought the latest example. State Sen. Darren Bailey (R) won the Illinois GOP gubernatorial nomination after Gov. J.B. Pritzker (D) and the Democratic Governors Association spent $30 million to help him. The Trump-endorsed Mr. Bailey made his name by opposing covid-19 public health measures, pushing to evict Chicago from Illinois and favoring the banning of abortion in the state.Even worse was Democrats’ use of this strategy in key presidential swing state Pennsylvania, where state Sen. Doug Mastriano (R), a leading 2020 election denier, last month won the GOP gubernatorial nomination. He spent a mere $370,000 on television ads. His Democratic opponent, Josh Shapiro, spent more than $840,000 on ads designed to help him win the Republican primary.The democratic process survived 2020 because enough Republicans in positions of responsibility refused to act on Mr. Trump’s lies. Meanwhile, Mr. Mastriano pushed the notion that Pennsylvania’s legislature could appoint its own slate of Trump electors, even though Joe Biden won the state’s popular vote. Should Mr. Mastriano win the governor’s race, he could spark a constitutional crisis in 2024 by trying to prevent the state from sending to Washington a slate of Democratic electors, against the will of the voters. Even if he loses, he will have a high platform from which to spew his poisonous nonsense.True, Republican primary voters might embrace extremists, anyway. But while polls show that a majority of Republicans believe that President Biden is illegitimate, voting patterns suggest that allegiance to the “big lie” only gets candidates so far in GOP primaries. Two Georgia Republicans based their campaigns for statewide office on accusations that the incumbents had failed to act on supposed 2020 election fraud. Mr. Trump strongly backed them. They both lost. On Tuesday, Colorado Republican voters rejected election conspiracist Tina Peters, who was running to be the party’s nominee for secretary of state.Everyone who recognizes that U.S. democracy is in grave danger should do all they can to encourage results such as these — not the opposite. Democrats got what they wished for in 2016, when Mr. Trump captured the GOP presidential nomination. They savored a race against a malign incompetent whom the voters would surely reject. Instead, Mr. Trump won and proceeded to tear the country apart. This year’s midterms will occur in an extremely unfavorable political climate for Democrats; Republicans, even extreme ones, could win all over the map. If Democrats truly believe that Mr. Trump and those who embrace his lies present existential threats to democracy — and there is good reason to — they should join with anyone of any partisan or ideological persuasion to keep them as far as possible from office. Instead, they have enabled the crackpots.
By boosting the primary campaigns of right-wing zealots running against more moderate Republicans, Democrats seek to set up favorable races for themselves, against less electable candidates, in the general election. The result is that Democrats have helped Trumpian fanatics move one step closer to offices from which they could directly threaten the nation’s democracy.
Tuesday night brought the latest example. State Sen. Darren Bailey (R) won the Illinois GOP gubernatorial nomination after Gov. J.B. Pritzker (D) and the Democratic Governors Association spent $30 million to help him. The Trump-endorsed Mr. Bailey made his name by opposing covid-19 public health measures, pushing to evict Chicago from Illinois and favoring the banning of abortion in the state.
Even worse was Democrats’ use of this strategy in key presidential swing state Pennsylvania, where state Sen. Doug Mastriano (R), a leading 2020 election denier, last month won the GOP gubernatorial nomination. He spent a mere $370,000 on television ads. His Democratic opponent, Josh Shapiro, spent more than $840,000 on ads designed to help him win the Republican primary.
The democratic process survived 2020 because enough Republicans in positions of responsibility refused to act on Mr. Trump’s lies. Meanwhile, Mr. Mastriano pushed the notion that Pennsylvania’s legislature could appoint its own slate of Trump electors, even though Joe Biden won the state’s popular vote. Should Mr. Mastriano win the governor’s race, he could spark a constitutional crisis in 2024 by trying to prevent the state from sending to Washington a slate of Democratic electors, against the will of the voters. Even if he loses, he will have a high platform from which to spew his poisonous nonsense.
True, Republican primary voters might embrace extremists, anyway. But while polls show that a majority of Republicans believe that President Biden is illegitimate, voting patterns suggest that allegiance to the “big lie” only gets candidates so far in GOP primaries. Two Georgia Republicans based their campaigns for statewide office on accusations that the incumbents had failed to act on supposed 2020 election fraud. Mr. Trump strongly backed them. They both lost. On Tuesday, Colorado Republican voters rejected election conspiracist Tina Peters, who was running to be the party’s nominee for secretary of state.
Everyone who recognizes that U.S. democracy is in grave danger should do all they can to encourage results such as these — not the opposite. Democrats got what they wished for in 2016, when Mr. Trump captured the GOP presidential nomination. They savored a race against a malign incompetent whom the voters would surely reject. Instead, Mr. Trump won and proceeded to tear the country apart. This year’s midterms will occur in an extremely unfavorable political climate for Democrats; Republicans, even extreme ones, could win all over the map. If Democrats truly believe that Mr. Trump and those who embrace his lies present existential threats to democracy — and there is good reason to — they should join with anyone of any partisan or ideological persuasion to keep them as far as possible from office. Instead, they have enabled the crackpots.
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 30 June 2022 00:40 (three years ago)
i mean? fuck? what the fuck??
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 30 June 2022 00:41 (three years ago)
this is very "counting on RBG to not die" in terms of strategic soundness
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 30 June 2022 00:42 (three years ago)
Ugh
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 30 June 2022 00:51 (three years ago)
Fucking indefensible, this is the kind of shit that makes me wanna never vote again
― frogbs, Thursday, 30 June 2022 00:54 (three years ago)
― Antifa Sandwich Artist (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 30 June 2022 01:11 (three years ago)
yeah it was reported at the time and appalled me then
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 June 2022 01:12 (three years ago)
Her reply to an interviewer back then was along the lines of, "If he couldn't even get Merrick Garland through"--MG having rep of innocuous centrist Repub---how could he replace her with anyone at all similar, but mainly that he wasn't getting anybody past McConnell.
update:
...While officials with the Secret Service as well as close to Trump have not disputed the overall characterization of Hutchinson's testimony, some are rebutting specific claims and descriptions.Unlike Hutchinson's testimony, the limited denials were not made under oath....After the hearing, a Secret Service official familiar with the matter told CNN that Ornato denies telling Hutchinson that the former President grabbed the steering wheel or an agent on his detail.Ornato is known to have a strong relationship with Trump and his team, having been granted an unusual waiver to suspend his time on the US Secret Service to serve as Trump's deputy White House chief of staff.Engel had previously testified before the committee and described the interactions with Trump on January 6, including the former President's desire to travel to the Capitol, but Engel was not asked about an altercation or being assaulted, the official said.he Secret Service, through the Department of Homeland Security Office of Legislative Affairs, notified the committee Tuesday afternoon that it will make the agents involved available to testify under oath, the official said, and that the agents are prepared to say under oath that the incident Hutchinson described did not occur.The committee did not ask Secret Service witnesses to respond to Hutchinson's testimony prior to Tuesday's hearing, Secret Service spokesperson Anthony Guglielmi said in a statement Wednesday.
...After the hearing, a Secret Service official familiar with the matter told CNN that Ornato denies telling Hutchinson that the former President grabbed the steering wheel or an agent on his detail.Ornato is known to have a strong relationship with Trump and his team, having been granted an unusual waiver to suspend his time on the US Secret Service to serve as Trump's deputy White House chief of staff.Engel had previously testified before the committee and described the interactions with Trump on January 6, including the former President's desire to travel to the Capitol, but Engel was not asked about an altercation or being assaulted, the official said.he Secret Service, through the Department of Homeland Security Office of Legislative Affairs, notified the committee Tuesday afternoon that it will make the agents involved available to testify under oath, the official said, and that the agents are prepared to say under oath that the incident Hutchinson described did not occur.The committee did not ask Secret Service witnesses to respond to Hutchinson's testimony prior to Tuesday's hearing, Secret Service spokesperson Anthony Guglielmi said in a statement Wednesday.
― dow, Thursday, 30 June 2022 01:22 (three years ago)
McConnell didn't have the Senate until 2015.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 30 June 2022 01:27 (three years ago)
Anyway, she said Obama couldn't get anybody like her through, pretty sure she did. Whether she was full of old person shit or not, that's it.
― dow, Thursday, 30 June 2022 01:33 (three years ago)
She may have been right but her mistake was maybe in thinking there wasn't an even worse outcome.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 30 June 2022 01:42 (three years ago)
Pretty sure that Harry Reid with 51+1 in 2013-2014 could have gotten someone through who was a carbon copy of Ginsburg.
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 30 June 2022 01:52 (three years ago)
Until all these off the record people countering her testimony go under oath, fuck 'em.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 30 June 2022 01:58 (three years ago)
No reports yet of any disputes of the metal detector thing, or the clavicles, for that matter, or ketchup or "Mike deserves it" or coup plans or evident awareness that a shitstorm was coming on the Hill, and w/o talking to Capitol Police about it, or anything else in there.
― dow, Thursday, 30 June 2022 02:08 (three years ago)
Fuck the steering wheel and ketchup sideshow there is so much criminal shit that is getting buried by that trivial nonsense.
― Antifa Sandwich Artist (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 30 June 2022 02:08 (three years ago)
ketchup is meaningless, steering wheel is a funny story but if trump is ever going to be charged with a criminal act for sedition, things like grabbing the steering wheel in an attempt to go to a seemingly dangerous situation, where the only thing that possibly makes sense is that he wanted for the rioters to see him and cheer for him, will be important
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 30 June 2022 02:13 (three years ago)
(i think there is a 0.00000001% chance trump ever goes to jail)
― Bruce Stingbean (Karl Malone), Thursday, 30 June 2022 02:14 (three years ago)
Goddamnit! I keep trying not to fall into utter despair and keep trying to suck it up and resist the temptation to just trash the democrats in the hope of not tamping down any groundswell of energy that might come from all this shit going on, but fuck, they are so fucking stupid and they never learn!
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 30 June 2022 02:14 (three years ago)
I mean even if these people all lose in the general, the Democrats have just spent a lot of money to further promote and amplify dangerous conspiracy theories and anti-democratc forces
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 30 June 2022 02:20 (three years ago)
I never wanted Trump to win the R nomination even while I believed he had no chance to win. A) didn't want the possibility but B) didn't want a full year of that toxicity.
Glad to see we think this was a feature, not a bug
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Thursday, 30 June 2022 02:36 (three years ago)
from Politico Nightly:
After weeks of publicly calling on former White House Counsel Pat Cipollone to cooperate with the investigation, the Jan. 6 committee subpoenaed him this evening for a deposition scheduled for July 6.During her testimony on Tuesday, White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson described an explosive account in which Cipollone warned of legal culpability if Donald Trump followed his supporters on a march to the White House. Hutchinson has also testified to the committee that Cipollone repeatedly expressed legal misgivings about Trump’s efforts to send false presidential electors to Congress and various other aspects of his bid to stay in power on Jan. 6, when Congress met to count electoral votes, write Betsy Woodruff Swan, Nicholas Wu and Kyle Cheney.
During her testimony on Tuesday, White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson described an explosive account in which Cipollone warned of legal culpability if Donald Trump followed his supporters on a march to the White House. Hutchinson has also testified to the committee that Cipollone repeatedly expressed legal misgivings about Trump’s efforts to send false presidential electors to Congress and various other aspects of his bid to stay in power on Jan. 6, when Congress met to count electoral votes, write Betsy Woodruff Swan, Nicholas Wu and Kyle Cheney.
― dow, Thursday, 30 June 2022 03:47 (three years ago)
More, from ABC:
Cipollone is evaluating the subpoena and his team is involved with the committee on the parameters surrounding an eventual closed-door deposition, sources close to him told ABC News.There is an expectation that he and the committee will reach an agreement on the terms by the requested deposition date of July 6, though sources emphasize the fluid nature of the talks.Sources said that among the topics for testimony about which Cipollone and the committee are negotiating: the actions taken by former top Department of Justice official Jeffrey Clark to use the powers of the DOJ to attempt to overturn the 2020 presidential election; what Cipollone did the day of Jan. 6, 2021, excluding conversations he had directly with former President Trump; interactions he was present for or had with former Trump lawyer John Eastman; and interactions he was present for or had with members of Congress post-2020 election.The information shared with the committee could be impacted by a number of factors, sources familiar with the deliberations said. That includes whether Trump's presence in any of the past meetings could result in potential claims of executive privilege.Cipollone and former deputy White House counsel Pat Philbin met with committee investigators for an informal interview in April. Cipollone and Philbin engaged on these topics during that previous meeting with committee investigators.
There is an expectation that he and the committee will reach an agreement on the terms by the requested deposition date of July 6, though sources emphasize the fluid nature of the talks.
Sources said that among the topics for testimony about which Cipollone and the committee are negotiating: the actions taken by former top Department of Justice official Jeffrey Clark to use the powers of the DOJ to attempt to overturn the 2020 presidential election; what Cipollone did the day of Jan. 6, 2021, excluding conversations he had directly with former President Trump; interactions he was present for or had with former Trump lawyer John Eastman; and interactions he was present for or had with members of Congress post-2020 election.
The information shared with the committee could be impacted by a number of factors, sources familiar with the deliberations said. That includes whether Trump's presence in any of the past meetings could result in potential claims of executive privilege.
Cipollone and former deputy White House counsel Pat Philbin met with committee investigators for an informal interview in April. Cipollone and Philbin engaged on these topics during that previous meeting with committee investigators.
― dow, Thursday, 30 June 2022 04:10 (three years ago)
excluding conversations he had directly with former President Trump
― dow, Thursday, 30 June 2022 04:15 (three years ago)
re Democrats supporting far right candidates:
Emmanuel Macron is now allying with the far right in France, against the left, having repeatedly used the far right as the threat to make people vote for him.
― the pinefox, Thursday, 30 June 2022 11:50 (three years ago)
i saw on twitter that RBG had severe regrets right as she was dying about not retiring at the time, i realize it's gossip and not sourced (can't remember where I saw it either) but it made me feel a little better to entertain the possibility that she realized she had fucked up
― a (waterface), Thursday, 30 June 2022 11:59 (three years ago)
this is great
https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meetthepressblog/warnock-holds-double-digit-lead-walker-new-poll-finds-rcna35985
― Heez, Thursday, 30 June 2022 12:07 (three years ago)
still incredibly mad about the Washington Post piece, the sheer unmitigated gall of Democrats begging for donations as soon as Roe was overturned only to use that money to fund fascists who think women who get abortions should be beheaded
― frogbs, Thursday, 30 June 2022 13:21 (three years ago)
I'm donating to abortion funds only. no candidates. they can eat happy meals for 10 months instead of steak tartare, fuck em
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Thursday, 30 June 2022 13:29 (three years ago)
― frogbs, Thursday, June 30, 2022 8:21 AM (twenty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
yeah I mean saying it again, even if that were an airtight strategy for winning an election, it is insanely dangerous anyway because it's just further amplifying and promoting those ideas. There's not much space between that and just funding nazis.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 30 June 2022 13:48 (three years ago)
Biden's finally on board, though apparently doesn't want to try it until after election cos of Manchin/Sinema et all
https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-says-transatlantic-alliance-adapted-131056769.html
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Thursday, 30 June 2022 13:51 (three years ago)
(my confidence in this happening is still like 20%, but it was 0% prior so, it's movement I guess)
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Thursday, 30 June 2022 13:53 (three years ago)
my confidence is 0% since the inevitable Republican House is not going to pass it
― F'kin Magnetometers, how do they work? (President Keyes), Thursday, 30 June 2022 13:57 (three years ago)
lol goddamn that is some absolute sicko shit. I just…. god damn. boomer centrism going fully accelerationist.
― no one wants to twerk anymore (will), Thursday, 30 June 2022 13:59 (three years ago)
Strange how the AP story has no direct quote of Biden agreeing to scrap filibuster.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 June 2022 14:02 (three years ago)
What is Biden on board with?
― the pinefox, Thursday, 30 June 2022 14:32 (three years ago)
working with Mitch to appoint more conservative judges
― frogbs, Thursday, 30 June 2022 14:33 (three years ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o593zZyfFfc
― Build My Gallows Hi Hi Hi (James Redd and the Blecchs), Thursday, 30 June 2022 15:28 (three years ago)
I’m less able to donate generally than before, but when I do it’s more likely to be directly to causes - hunger, homelessness, women’s productive health, etc.
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 30 June 2022 15:57 (three years ago)
I am kinda beside myself over how much I naively gave to Dems who turned out to have zero shot in 2020
― Doop Snogg (Neanderthal), Thursday, 30 June 2022 15:58 (three years ago)
I got really angry at dems about that too - how much they bulshitted people about candidates who could supposedly beat McConnell or Graham or whoever. It's a grift imo. I sometimes joke now "I'm not giving any more money to political candidates until I'm at the point where I can give enough to get something in return."
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 30 June 2022 16:01 (three years ago)
still incredibly mad about the Washington Post pieceSame, fuckin same. I suddenly have reached the point where I cannot eat one more ounce of shit from these idiots. It’s disgusting.
― covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 30 June 2022 17:17 (three years ago)
I get so many emails from the Democratic Party pleading for cash. So many of them sound absolutely desperate. It's embarrassing, frankly.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 30 June 2022 17:19 (three years ago)
Those emails are the fucking worst. There are two basic strains. The first kind looks like internet 1997 and says shit like "HUMILIATING DEFEAT! Nancy Pelosi needs to raise $10 million by tomorrow or Republicans will win!" I find these not only aggravating but intensely demoralizing and they only increase my association of Democrats with losing. The second are the more Obama-style ones that get overly familiar and come from like "Vicky for Senate!" or start "I'm Dave-o's Mom And I Want To Tell You About My Son"
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 30 June 2022 17:40 (three years ago)
Yes, exactly. Or the ones who say something like "McConnell is FURIOUS!" Referring, not to McConnell actually being furious, but to something he might or should be furious about, e.g., Amy Klobuchar saying on some news show. They all make me want to stop giving money to the party altogether.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 30 June 2022 17:43 (three years ago)
Here's one I just got:
Click here to unsubscribe
James -- This is a hard email to write.
But Democrats are about to lose our shot at winning the Senate Majority... we’re going to hand Mitch McConnell complete control over Joe Biden.
Almost no one -- seriously, NO ONE -- has donated to boost Democratic Voter Turnout in Pennsylvania.
If we miss tonight’s 25,000 donation goal, our campaign in Pennsylvania (THE MOST COMPETITIVE SENATE RACE) is DONE. McConnell wins again. We. Would. CRY.
So this is your FINAL chance to do the right thing! We are BEGGING you to donate. James You Have NOT DONATED to Boost Voter Turnout in Pennsylvania!
CAN YOU DONATE TO HELP SAVE FETTERMAN’S CAMPAIGN AND HUMILIATE MITCH MCCONNELL? →
Donate $5 →
Donate $25 →
Donate $50 →
Donate $100 →
Donate $500 →
Or donate another amount →
James -- if we can help elect Fetterman, Democrats will keep the Senate. It’s that simple.
That’s why we set a lofty fundraising goal of 25,000 donations by midnight tonight. We’ll use that money to SKYROCKET Democratic Voter Turnout and DESTROY the Republicans!
But James, we are still well short of that goal. So we need you to rush $5 to help save John Fetterman. →
We’re not ready to quit. We need you with us.- Progressive Turnout Project
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 30 June 2022 17:59 (three years ago)
The subject line is "We Are Sorry."
We’re not ready to quit.
You sure aren't.
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 June 2022 18:00 (three years ago)
I will say, I am genuinely curious how my $5 donation will SKYROCKET Democratic voter turnout and DESTROY the Republicans.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 30 June 2022 18:03 (three years ago)
Of course!
https://i.gifer.com/MCvC.gif
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 30 June 2022 18:04 (three years ago)
the only consolation I have is that Republican fundraising emails are somehow even worse! it's always shit like "Hey! It's Don Jr.! My Dad noticed the other day that you didn't appear on our MEGA GOLDEN PATRIOT list, and, uh...I kinda vouched for you dude...he said he was really disappointed and wondered if you'd fallen under the spell of the GROOMER DEMOCRATS...anyway...if you could uh, give me 5 dollars..."
― frogbs, Thursday, 30 June 2022 18:06 (three years ago)
I've pulled back so much from keeping up with political news since the beginning of last year but I'm genuinely about to give up altogether. Just assume that vulnerable communities will always be under assault and figure out how best to help them directly, vote locally, and fuck giving one iota of attention to any elected POS in every other level of government because what is even the point of paying attention at this point. It's all such demoralizing pyramid scheme theater.
― When the Pain That You Feel is the Bite of an Eel, That's a Moray (Old Lunch), Thursday, 30 June 2022 18:16 (three years ago)
The worst I've ever gotten was a fundraising mailer that looked like a collections letter, at a time when I was panicking because of actual collections agencies (because a hospital was mad that I didn't pay $5000 for 6 stitches and to be told that I didn't have a concussion).
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 30 June 2022 18:17 (three years ago)
xp that's going to have to be my default mode soon here too, Old Lunch, until they start rounding people up for sexing obv
― Eggs Benedick (Eric H.), Thursday, 30 June 2022 18:19 (three years ago)
we’re going to hand Mitch McConnell complete control over Joe Biden.
Uh oh he's going to make him nominate anti-abortion federal judges
― papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 30 June 2022 18:21 (three years ago)
Lol @ subject line “We Are Sorry”
― covidsbundlertanze op. 6 (Jon not Jon), Thursday, 30 June 2022 18:55 (three years ago)
"Packing Our Bags" is a recurring one.
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 30 June 2022 18:57 (three years ago)
lmao, sounds about right
82-year-old Patrick Leahy needs hip surgery after falling in his Virginia home. Unclear how long he’ll be out in the 50-50 Senate. Senators are on recess next week as well. His office notes he was “born blind in one eye” and “has had a lifelong struggle” with depth perception pic.twitter.com/9JhgypezIi— Manu Raju (@mkraju) June 30, 2022
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 30 June 2022 19:01 (three years ago)
Senate might want to build a residential care home somewhere on the Hill
― Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 30 June 2022 19:10 (three years ago)
We. Would. CRY. for July thread title.
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 30 June 2022 19:12 (three years ago)
I am surprised by Gorsuch's dissent and think this is a good example of the misconstrual by the majority of states' rights: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/29/us/politics/supreme-court-ruling-oklahoma-tribes.html
Indeed, he wrote, “Castro-Huerta’s argument would require this court to treat Indian victims as second-class citizens.”
Justice Gorsuch responded that “the old paternalist overtones are hard to ignore.”
Agreed. (Your government is second-class?)
― youn, Thursday, 30 June 2022 21:00 (three years ago)
I have this one fundraising email that always sticks out in my mind that purported to be from "James Carville" and the header was "[Man Alive] We are SCREWED!" I laugh every time I think about it, hearing it in Carville's voice and picturing his facial expression.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 30 June 2022 21:08 (three years ago)
Cajun Style
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 30 June 2022 21:11 (three years ago)
as I understand it Gorsuch is actually surprisingly good on American Indian rights issues, he consistently rules in their favor
― Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Thursday, 30 June 2022 21:12 (three years ago)
Regarding fundraising (not that I have donated for a long time), I think the politicians are doing what their pollsters are telling them to do, in the hopes that the small power of the masses will outweigh the limited(?) power of the elite. They can't escape the mass channels of influence unless they resort to influencers and have superpowers with respect to social intelligence. I think Obama resigned himself to fundraising as a surrogate for community activism.
― youn, Thursday, 30 June 2022 21:22 (three years ago)
The incessant begging emails are the product of many decades of direct-mail advertising techniques, where different kinds of appeals are tried, the results of each are carefully tabulated and compared, the least successful are eliminated and the most successful are refined. The overall effect is to converge upon approaches that appeal most strongly to the least common denominator. Most potential small dollar donors are totally baffled by the byzantine complexities of US politics.
The collision of the internet, direct mail techniques, and the simple-minded political perspective of the target audience produces the results you see in these emails. It doesn't do any good to feel insulted. The pols are just captive to the need to find the most efficient way to raise money and, for now, this is what works best.
― more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 30 June 2022 21:50 (three years ago)
Does it do good to do anything, Aimless? Sometimes I wonder about who are the cynical and nihilistic ones.
― broccoli rabe thomas (the table is the table), Thursday, 30 June 2022 22:01 (three years ago)
seriously
― thinkmanship (sleeve), Thursday, 30 June 2022 22:03 (three years ago)
he's LDS, Mormons have a whole thing with regard to Native Americans
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 30 June 2022 22:04 (three years ago)
or wait no he's presbyterian??? https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2017/02/01/neil-gorsuch-belongs-to-a-notably-liberal-church-and-would-be-the-first-protestant-on-the-court-in-years/
― J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Thursday, 30 June 2022 22:05 (three years ago)
as I understand it Gorsuch is actually surprisingly good on American Indian rights issues, he consistently rules in their favor― Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Thursday, June 30, 2022 5:12 PM (fifty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Piven After Midnight (The Yellow Kid), Thursday, June 30, 2022 5:12 PM (fifty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
yeah it's his thing
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/05/neil-gorsuch-supreme-court-tribal-rights-sonia-sotomayor.html
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 30 June 2022 22:06 (three years ago)
he must be charles m. russell collector or something
― the cat needs to start paying for its own cbd (map), Thursday, 30 June 2022 22:09 (three years ago)
he is the only western judge on the supreme court right now fwiw
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Thursday, 30 June 2022 22:10 (three years ago)
Sometimes the appeals are for people to show up. Perhaps the pollsters are thinking of disposable income and disposable time and weighing their appeals accordingly. Apathy is hard to escape. Most people don't expect an effect and come to weigh and parcel out their contributions or efforts to when enough people feel the same or they can ride a common sentiment and not stick out. (xpost)
― youn, Thursday, 30 June 2022 22:18 (three years ago)
I think Trump's politics have been described as transactional and the most corrupt governments might be considered the same. There is a notion of giving for a cause or belief that is distinct from a direct payback for survival.
― youn, Thursday, 30 June 2022 22:23 (three years ago)
Is there a sudden spate of decorating walls with dripping ketchup or similar condiment. Is there a specific canonical ketchup one needs to base things on ?
― Stevolende, Friday, 1 July 2022 09:53 (three years ago)
Looks like the hearings are having some effect:
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/30/gop-megadonors-turn-on-trump-look-for-2024-alternatives-after-jan-6-hearings.html
― Malevolent Arugula (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 1 July 2022 09:57 (three years ago)
https://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn83045487/1912-09-23/ed-1/seq-29/?loclr=blogloc
"Commoners' food"; also mustard, with cheese in Ulysses IIRC; ~= false embellishment
― youn, Friday, 1 July 2022 10:22 (three years ago)
Biden stated that he wanted to overturn the filibuster and codify abortion rights.
Is that news?
― the pinefox, Friday, 1 July 2022 10:37 (three years ago)
So what are we calling the July thread?
― Legalize Suburban Benches (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 1 July 2022 12:05 (three years ago)
Orange Jesus Take the Wheel (just kidding)
― Am I doomposting? I would say you’re not doomposting enough. (PBKR), Friday, 1 July 2022 12:17 (three years ago)
"I'm the effing president"
― immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Friday, 1 July 2022 13:21 (three years ago)
so i've been trying to do something with this overwhelming anger i've felt over the last few weeks, months, years and was hoping to do more in local criminal justice. does anyone know of databases that store crime, charges, age of accused etc?
― Heez, Friday, 1 July 2022 13:24 (three years ago)
We. Would. CRY.: US Politics, July 2022
― an icon of a worried-looking, long-haired, bespectacled man (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 1 July 2022 13:42 (three years ago)