US Politics, April 2024: "Are You Better Off Today Than You Were <Checks Notes> Four Years Ago?"

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Four Years Ago:

I can’t believe I have to say this, but please don’t drink bleach.

— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) April 24, 2020

More ppls shd have consumed bleach imo

And aquarium cleaner and horse paste

Slorg is not on the Slerf Team, you idiot, you moron (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 1 April 2024 15:52 (two months ago) link

I’m certainly older

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 1 April 2024 16:45 (two months ago) link

Good afternoon!

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 April 2024 17:00 (two months ago) link

Where’s the rush order of Wendy’s hamberders?

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 1 April 2024 17:13 (two months ago) link

Abortion and marijuana legalization initiatives survived challenges and will be on the ballot in Florida in November.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Monday, 1 April 2024 20:40 (two months ago) link

Although the Florida Legislature has shown what it thinks of ballot measures. If one passes they disagree with, they will fuck with it any way they can.

Great news. We're already strategizing on turnout.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 April 2024 21:10 (two months ago) link

👍🏽

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 1 April 2024 21:13 (two months ago) link

There's gonna be an abortion ballot initiative in Montana this year, too:

#mtpol #mtnews pic.twitter.com/YAS54mlnXA

— Holly Michels (@hollykmichels) April 1, 2024

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Monday, 1 April 2024 22:03 (two months ago) link

For those who can't see it, the language reads:

CI-_____ would amend the Montana Constitution to expressly provide a right to make and carry out decisions about one's own pregnancy, including the right to abortion. It would prohibit the government from denying or burdening the right to abortion before fetal viability. It would also prohibit the government from denying or burdening access to an abortion when a treating healthcare professional determines it is medically indicated to protect the pregnant patient's life or health. CI-_____ prevents the government from penalizing patients, healthcare providers, or anyone who assists someone in exercising their right to make and carry out voluntary decisions about their pregnancy.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Monday, 1 April 2024 22:06 (two months ago) link

Great to see!

Ned Raggett, Monday, 1 April 2024 22:23 (two months ago) link

Not to be too much of a downer, but Mississippians got medical marijuana on the ballot and passed in 2020. Republicans were so outraged at the electorate taking charge of their lives that they ginned up a pretense to throw out the cannabis vote AND the ballot initiative process. The state legislature (GOP supermajority) later passed a more constrained MedMJ law but made it clear all the while that voters are not to be trusted with decision-making.

Ippei's on a bummer now (WmC), Monday, 1 April 2024 23:06 (two months ago) link

Well, there's a good chance we're going to throw our piece of shit governor out in November — he and his cronies basically doubled everyone's property taxes and people are pissed. So if that pissed-offness carries over to other issues... and it's worth bearing in mind that Montana's constitution already contains the following language:

Section 10. RIGHT OF PRIVACY. The right of individual privacy is essential to the well-being of a free society and shall not be infringed without the showing of a compelling state interest.

Because of that section, abortion is already legal in Montana. So the new language is basically a way of pre-empting Gianforte from trying to ban it in the future, should he be re-elected.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Monday, 1 April 2024 23:15 (two months ago) link

he and his cronies basically doubled everyone's property taxes

I don't get it, how does a GOP guy actually go ahead and do that and not think that a slew of his base is immediately going to drag him to hell for it?

Ned Raggett, Monday, 1 April 2024 23:31 (two months ago) link

In the 2018 General Election, Florida voters passed an amendment to the Florida Constitution with 65% of voters (AN AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION) that automatically restored voting rights to felons once they had completed their sentences.

GOP Florida legislators were also so outraged by that they decided to qualify it to include only those who had repaid their "fines and fees", meaning any debts to the state prison system or otherwise.

Dan S, Monday, 1 April 2024 23:34 (two months ago) link

Some bitter as fuck statehouses in this country

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 1 April 2024 23:41 (two months ago) link

Guys, I'm perfectly aware of the stakes. We fight anyway.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 1 April 2024 23:46 (two months ago) link

I don't get it, how does a GOP guy actually go ahead and do that and not think that a slew of his base is immediately going to drag him to hell for it?

It's really a stunning own goal. This article explains it pretty well, including the fact that taxes for business property went up much less than for houses. And I don't know how he's gonna counterbalance it — I mean, this is Montana. There is no "wokeness" to threaten people with, especially not in a year when the entire state is united in its love of Lily Gladstone. Plus, the Democratic candidate is a former gun executive. From my POV, Gianforte's in real danger.

From here:

Gianforte’s approval rating is neutral – 37% approved and disapproved of the job he was doing running Montana – but 41% of respondents said they think Montana is on the wrong track, compared to 31% who said it is on the right track.

Sixteen percent of Republicans disapproved of Gianforte’s performance, while 12% of Democrats approved of it. Among independents, 33% said they approved of the job the governor was doing, while 38% said they disapproved.

Forty-two percent of women said they disapproved of Gianforte’s performance, compared to 31% who approved, while among men, 45% approve and 32% disapprove, per the poll.

On the direction the state is headed, 31% of Republicans and 38% of independents said they felt the state was on the wrong track, along with 61% of Democrats. Just 24% of independents said the state is on the right track, along with 43% of Republicans and 22% of Democrats.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 00:20 (two months ago) link

Yeah I didn't mean my cynicism about the Florida statehouse to sound anti-ballot referendum. Referendums that get people fired up are good, they drive turnout regardless of their outcome.

they could be good, but when the statehouse finds a way to squash them no matter how fired up people are and what the vote is - that's not good, so I'm very cynical

Dan S, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 00:53 (two months ago) link

interesting NJ context (I know nothing, apologies if this is bs)

https://primaries.substack.com/i/143156084/nj-sen

We were going to go long on the last few county party conventions—one of us even made the trip to observe one in person, and another convention made headlines when candidate Patricia Campos-Medina was physically barred from entering by machine henchmen. But several news events have made those entirely irrelevant now.

First, Tammy Murphy dropped out of the race right before the filing deadline. The Murphy camp’s reported reasoning was that they thought victory was too remote a possibility—which we frankly don’t believe, given Murphy had the line in counties home to more than 60% of Democratic primary voters. It seemed more likely that the party bosses who pull the strings in New Jersey had made it clear to the Murphys that they valued the continued existence of the party line system more than they valued the prospect of Senator Tammy Murphy, and they were making a last-ditch effort to escape an unfavorable ruling from federal judge Zahid Quraishi, who is hearing a case challenging the constitutionality of the line brought by Senate candidate Andy Kim and several other candidates. They confirmed as much when they argued to Quraishi that Murphy’s withdrawal reduced the urgency of the lawsuit—and Quraishi confirmed the bosses’ fears when he rejected that argument as “specious at best” and issued a ruling blocking the use of the county line system on New Jersey’s primary ballots this year. (Quraishi later limited the ruling to the Democratic primary because no Republicans joined the initial lawsuit.) While Quraishi has not formally ruled on the merits, granting the injunction required Quraishi to find that Kim and the other plaintiffs had a good likelihood of success on the merits—and the judge who hears the merits will be Zahid Quraishi. In other words, unless the lawyers for New Jersey’s county clerks come up with a new, more convincing argument as to why the state’s system of slate-oriented ballot design is not unconstitutional, the line is likely dead for good. The implications for the Senate race are minimal now that Murphy is out—Kim is the overwhelming favorite against Campos-Medina and former Newark school board member Larry Hamm, and Democratic establishment figures who had been backing Murphy are beginning to come around to Kim’s side. The implications for New Jersey politics beyond the Senate race, however, cannot be overstated.

NJ-08

Nobody benefits more from the apparent demise of the line than Hoboken Mayor Ravi Bhalla. First-term Rep. Rob Menendez Jr., the son of the twice-indicted senator, had the line in all three of NJ-08’s counties. Now, he won’t have it anywhere—which means that rather than getting voters to vote the line from Joe Biden on down, he’ll have to convince voters to seek out the name “Rob Menendez Jr.” and fill in the bubble next to it. The machine is strong enough to deliver for Menendez Jr. without the line in the northern half of Hudson County—but in Jersey City, Newark, Elizabeth, and Bayonne, the machine’s capabilities have atrophied, and no longer being visually associated with bigger-name Democrats on the ballot could cost Menendez Jr. dearly, particularly with Senator Menendez still threatening to run as an independent.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 01:17 (two months ago) link

I can’t believe RFK Jr is being taken seriously enough for CNN to interview him. This man is deeply mentally unwell and stupid.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 02:46 (two months ago) link

Yea I realize we just had a president who also fits that description

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 02:47 (two months ago) link

A HarrisX/Forbes poll taken March 25 found Trump leading Biden in a head-to-head match-up by 3 points, 46 percent to 43 percent. But with Kennedy, West and Stein in the race, Kennedy receives 12 percent and Trump still leads Biden by 3 points.

Meanwhile, other polls have shown some concern for Biden when third-party candidates are factored in. A Quinnipiac University poll taken March 21-25 showed Biden ahead by 3 points when only facing Trump. But Trump took a 1-point lead when Kennedy, who received 13 percent support, West and Stein were included.

President Keyes, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 02:57 (two months ago) link

I keep seeing people say that RFK’s support will collapse when people find out what a crank he is. However attempting to inform people of that will end up giving him greater exposure.

President Keyes, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 03:00 (two months ago) link

that will end up giving him greater exposure.

Realistically speaking, the name RFK Jr. is so widely recognized from RFK Sr. that giving him exposure isn't remotely an issue. Exposing him as a crank who's never held any public office can only help Biden - and Trump won't do it, because there's nothing in it for him.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 03:07 (two months ago) link

How many of these poll respondents know RFK Jr. as:

- a conspiracy nutjob (his Wikipedia page is an absolute horrorshow)
- a former longtime heroin addict
- a serial adulterer whose second ex-wife committed suicide after finding his diary in which he documented 37 different affairs

If he ever becomes a serious threat to Biden, the Democratic Party will rise up as one and burn him to the ground in a weekend.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 03:16 (two months ago) link

Honestly, though, the American public is incredibly superficial, and I don't think more than 1% of voters could stand to hear that voice croaking at them for four years.

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 03:17 (two months ago) link

I wonder what percentage of potential voters even know that RFK is running.

President Keyes, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 03:19 (two months ago) link

yeah was gonna say he's polling as high as he is because no one's heard him talk yet

frogbs, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 03:19 (two months ago) link

Lol at the Democratic Party burning him down in a weekend. Let’s deploy Carville to the Sunday shows!

President Keyes, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 03:20 (two months ago) link

As if all the shit I listed isn't enough, the guy is into falconry, one of the weirdest hobbies of all time. He's a complete fucking joke and his "campaign" is going nowhere. The thing is, he's so insane it might actually not be a scam. He might be a true believer. In which case he'll have to be dealt with the way this country traditionally deals with Kennedys...

Tahuti Watches L&O:SVU Reruns Without His Ape (unperson), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 03:25 (two months ago) link

Let’s deploy Carville to the Sunday shows!

Even better, we could all write sharply-worded letters to the editor of our local newspapers!

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 03:26 (two months ago) link

I think, like what happened to Ron DeSantis, is that the more people are exposed to Junior the less they will like him.

Slorg is not on the Slerf Team, you idiot, you moron (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 03:27 (two months ago) link

The guy is obviously not going to become President, but polling at 13% seven months away from the election is something.

President Keyes, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 03:29 (two months ago) link

If RFK became a danger I think he’d collapse in the same way so many of the 2020-2022 cycle MAGA freaks did - in the abstract people might be open to it but his personal affect is so off-putting he wouldn’t survive serious national exposure. If he got into the debates his support would crumble to 1% immediately afterward.

papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 04:04 (two months ago) link

he's not fake rich enough or fake successful enough to sell it. i'm not even sure he's real asshole enough, he seems more of a legit unwell person type. i was so stupendously wrong more than once in getting to here, i'm so scarred.

schrodingers cat was always cool (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 04:16 (two months ago) link

Doesn’t his vp candidate believe ivf should be illegal (or compulsory, I forget which, something weird though)?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 11:59 (two months ago) link

he's the new Desantis, he's a weirdo freak and the more people learn about him the lower his numbers will go

a (waterface), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 12:18 (two months ago) link

remember everyone in the media creaming their jeans about Florida Ron, a real freak who eats pudding with his fingers

a (waterface), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 12:18 (two months ago) link

I did see my first local (Chicago area) Trump sign, off the highway. Very weird and both self aware and deluded. It was a flag that said something like "Do you miss $1.39 gas and angry tweets? Vote Trump 2024." When was the last time gas (particularly here) was even that cheap? 1995 or something? And this might be the first time I've seen assholery as an explicit selling point.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 12:22 (two months ago) link

xpost Except the media would rather not talk about RFK and his support is driven by Rogan appearances and whatnot.

President Keyes, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 12:41 (two months ago) link

he was on CNN last night

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/01/politics/rfk-jr-cnntv-interview/index.html

a (waterface), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 12:51 (two months ago) link

He really think his cansidacy was propped up by Beltway reporters and consultants like DeSantis’ was?

President Keyes, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 13:15 (two months ago) link

i'm saying he's not going to survive national exposure.

a (waterface), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 13:19 (two months ago) link

trump is going to have to go on the record with how he personally votes in the florida abortion ballot measure.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 15:22 (two months ago) link

Does he actually vote?

tobo73, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 15:38 (two months ago) link

trump knows which side of the abortion issue his bread is buttered on, but I don't think he'll 'have to go on record' with his vote on the florida measure. after delivering on three(!) SCOTUS nominations and the subsequent repeal of Roe v Wade, he can fudge his statements all he wants to and the anti-abortion voters won't mind. they'll mostly hope that his fudging improves his chance of winning a second term.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 17:29 (two months ago) link

“He’s a freak that Florida Ron, a real freak that eats puddin’ with his fingers…”

lost Shock G line

The Artist formerly known as Earlnash, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 17:40 (two months ago) link

"Do you miss $1.39 gas and angry tweets? Vote Trump 2024." When was the last time gas (particularly here) was even that cheap? 1995 or something?

Gas got that low in the early pandemic months of 2020. In Minneapolis the lowest I remember seeing was $1.16, Chicago can't be too far off that. Not that I would give anyone with a Trump anything the credence of critical thought regarding those numbers and why they were low, but still.

RFK is going to crater eventually.

Gary Johnson had a similar trajectory in 2016 being posed as a suitable alternative to two awful candidates, and he even came within two percentage points in the polls of being invited to the debates, hitting a high of 13% in July of that year, hovering between 8-10% after that. Then "uh, what is Aleppo?" happened and he wound up at 3.3% of the national vote.

Which wasn't nothing, in fact, was the most a third party candidate had drawn since Perot. But illustrates that they often poll way higher than they will eventually die to unforced errors, lack of funds, protest poll responses, etc.

Still, Gary was disruptive to the end result in 2016 in several battleground states so I don't wanna downplay it. I'm also not convinced by the narrative that he helps Biden by staying in.

Perhaps if he freefalls enough he might just bow out, but he'd probably have to dip to levels like 1%. And idk that he'll go that low.

What I think is the wildcard is who he loses in support. If the section of his voters that typically lean Democrat are the majority of eventual defectors, and most of them go back to Biden as opposed to another third party or staying home, his dip could be a boon.

But the type that vote RFK aren't going to be "vote Blue no matter who" types so those are a lot of loaded ifs. Think it to be more likely that he loses support proportionately across the aisle.

All's I know is there will probably be a funny smear campaign coming his way

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 18:04 (two months ago) link

lol the chi tribune endorsed Johnson over Clinton and Trump even *after* the Aleppo gaffe.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 18:12 (two months ago) link

lol I totally forgot Gary Johnson ever existed until right now

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 18:15 (two months ago) link

Gas got that low in the early pandemic months of 2020

Even more remarkably, oil futures contracts slipped into negative territory for a couple of weeks around the same time. essentially you could be paid good money if you were willing to take delivery of crude oil because the world had run out of places to store it!

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 18:17 (two months ago) link

Booed by his party for being fine with drivers licenses

papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 18:17 (two months ago) link

Gas got that low in the early pandemic months of 2020. In Minneapolis the lowest I remember seeing was $1.16, Chicago can't be too far off that. Not that I would give anyone with a Trump anything the credence of critical thought regarding those numbers and why they were low, but still.

lowest it's been in chicago the past 10 years is $1.61 in winter 2015/2016. it broke $2 (just) in march 2020. https://www.gasbuddy.com/charts.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 18:23 (two months ago) link

Not that I would give anyone with a Trump anything the credence of critical thought regarding those numbers and why they were low, but still.

Hence this month's thread title.

XP "Cheap gas and a mean tweet" has been a meme dating back to whenever the first fuel price spike during the Biden administration was.

I've seen way more of those sticker in the Chicago area than I would have expected.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 18:35 (two months ago) link

I thought I saw them first pop up when the prices went down actually.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 18:40 (two months ago) link

I saw those all over South Florida.

Gas hovered around $1.80 and $2.20 from March 2020 to about December-January 2021.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 2 April 2024 18:43 (two months ago) link

the migrants who were flown to martha's vineyard as a racist PR stunt for DeSantis are allowed to sue the company that flew them there. the claims against desantis and the horrible people who work from him were dismissed, although there's a possibility that they can be brought back into the lawsuit later*

https://www.npr.org/2024/04/01/1242131130/migrants-lawsuit-flown-marthas-vineyard-texas-florida-governor-ron-desantis

MIAMI — A federal judge in Boston has ruled that migrants flown from Texas to Martha's Vineyard in 2022 can proceed with a lawsuit against the Florida company that took them there.

The judge also dismissed claims against Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and other officials named in the suit.

Three migrants from Venezuela, along with an immigrant rights group, filed the lawsuit. They say that Florida's governor, others in his administration and an air transport company conspired to mislead them and deprive them of their civil rights when they recruited and flew them to Martha's Vineyard in 2022.

In their lawsuit, the migrants, identified as Yanet, Pablo and Jesus say they were told they were going to Massachusetts, but didn't know their final destination was Martha's Vineyard until shortly before landing.

The plaintiffs say a videographer hired by the DeSantis administration recorded them arriving and boarding vans. But apart from the videographer and van drivers, the plaintiffs say no one else in Martha's Vineyard had any advance notice of their arrival.

In her order, U.S. District Judge Allison Burroughs says the case can proceed against the air transport company, Vertol. Judge Burroughs dismissed claims against Gov. DeSantis and other members of his administration out of jurisdictional concerns, but did so "without prejudice." That means the legal team representing the migrants can seek to bring DeSantis and others back into the case as it goes forward.

*yeah right

z_tbd, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 21:02 (two months ago) link

I guess it's just been so long since I saw prices that consistently low that if I did indeed see them just a couple years ago, I immediately forgot about them, because they were covid era outliers.

No doubt if Trump is elected again we will get some other fresh disaster and they will be similarly forced to artificially support the economy.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 2 April 2024 21:07 (two months ago) link

i mean, what are the chances that failing to reform the electoral college or even talk about the issue out loud would come back to burn the democrats again?

z_tbd, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 15:23 (two months ago) link

Electoral college reform is going to end up with the Red States being Winner Take All and the Blue States proportional by district.

President Keyes, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 15:26 (two months ago) link

that NE proposal hasn't even left committee yet and the legislature only has a few more days

a (waterface), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 15:27 (two months ago) link

would be nice to have some electoral college reform tho

a (waterface), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 15:27 (two months ago) link

it is

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 15:43 (two months ago) link

Seems bad man

The fuck? https://t.co/pZsUBB24YN pic.twitter.com/HxRiOWj9LL

— ettingermentum🥥🌴 (@ettingermentum) April 2, 2024

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 15:48 (two months ago) link

Apparently Fetterman went on the radio responding to the murder of aid workers with some whining about Hamas hiding behind civilians. Hope he has another stroke.

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 15:53 (two months ago) link

Fetterman can rot

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 3 April 2024 16:30 (two months ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/zHX7LJ0.jpeg

democracy dies in darkness

z_tbd, Wednesday, 3 April 2024 18:32 (two months ago) link

Good news:

Nebraska legislators on Wednesday night blocked a late effort to change how the state allocates its Electoral College votes, despite public pressure from former President Donald Trump to shift to a winner-take-all system that would likely benefit him in the fall.

The measure fell short, 8-36, in a procedural vote. While it’s possible supporters could take another stab at advancing the proposal, there remain serious hurdles as the legislative session draws to a close, and it’s unclear whether the proposal has enough support to get across the finish line and become law.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 April 2024 13:47 (two months ago) link

8-36 is not close. Good.

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 4 April 2024 13:48 (two months ago) link

It won’t come up for a vote again. I know that’s what was promised, but there are no vehicles on which it could attach. Winner Takes All isn’t moving in 2024.

— Senator Julie Slama (@SenatorSlama) April 4, 2024

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 4 April 2024 13:49 (two months ago) link

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/04/pink-slime-local-news-outlets-erupt-all-over-us-during-election-year/

PINK SLIME!

The number of partisan news outlets in the US masquerading as legitimate journalism now equals genuine local newspaper sites, researchers say, as so-called pink slime operators gear up ahead of November’s presidential election.

Pink slime sites mimic local news providers but are highly partisan and tend to bury their deep ties to dark money, lobbying groups, and special interests.

NewsGuard, which rates the quality and trustworthiness of news sites, has identified 1,197 pink slime sites operating in the US as of April 1—about as many as the estimated 1,200 real news sites operated by daily local newspapers.

z_tbd, Thursday, 4 April 2024 15:54 (two months ago) link

I get my news from traditional blue slime sources only.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Thursday, 4 April 2024 16:12 (two months ago) link

wake up early, clear out the encroaching gray goo from the window sill, delete new emails from pink slime mailing lists i didn't sign up for, then i play with gak all day, and i don't even wash my hands

z_tbd, Thursday, 4 April 2024 16:37 (two months ago) link

… such sites have filled a vacuum left as traditional local news has been decimated by brands moving their advertising dollars into digital spending at Silicon Valley groups such as Meta and Google

I would propose this is the key bit of the dynamic even tho it’s not the focus of the article

Also the phrase “partisan outlet” is doing a lot of work here

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 4 April 2024 16:43 (two months ago) link

Seems like a real professional operation... RFK Jr's campaign has walked back a fundraising email that referred to January 6 insurrectionists as "activists":

In the appeal sent to supporters, signed by "Team Kennedy," the campaign called for the exoneration of "political prisoner Julian Assange," the founder of WikiLeaks, suggesting he and Jan. 6 defendants are victims of prosecutorial abuse.

"This is the reality that every American Citizen faces — from Ed Snowden, to Julian Assange to the J6 activists sitting in a Washington DC jail cell stripped of their Constitutional liberties. Please help our campaign call out the illiberal actions of our very own government," the fundraising email read.

...

After publication of this piece, Kennedy spokesperson Stephanie Spear told NBC News that the language was an "error."

“That statement was an error that does not reflect Mr. Kennedy’s views. It was inserted by a new marketing contractor and slipped through the normal approval process,” she said.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Thursday, 4 April 2024 21:00 (two months ago) link

“All that stuff was a typo”

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 4 April 2024 21:14 (two months ago) link

The two most pertinent questions about RFK Jr's crappy vanity project are how many ballots will he be on in November? and how many of those will be in critical swing states? The process of qualifying for the general election ballot is usually much simpler in the more liberal states than in conservative ones, but every one of the 50 states and multiple territories has a different process for qualifying and his campaign seems far too slapdash to get on more than a dozen or so ballots.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 4 April 2024 21:25 (two months ago) link

I sure hope so, and I hope none of those are in swing states

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Thursday, 4 April 2024 21:41 (two months ago) link

In my (admittedly limited) experience so far, it seems like the only people excited about RFKJ are antivaxx moms and general Qfools who don't like Trump embracing the creation of the COVID vaxx and stuff like that.

He might be able to piggyback onto some ballots via a formal Libertarian Party nomination (or a similar fringe party), but I haven't heard that they or the No Labels scammers have expressed interest in him. If it weren't for his name you'd need an electron microscope to see his campaign.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 4 April 2024 21:58 (two months ago) link

i also don't get why the fuck RFK is even doing this. He has no chance of winning. Does he simply want Biden to lose?

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Thursday, 4 April 2024 21:59 (two months ago) link

money i guess

c u (crüt), Thursday, 4 April 2024 22:00 (two months ago) link

the other day, there was a dude in front of my local post office getting signatures to put RFK jr on the ballot, had to resist the urge to give him shit

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 4 April 2024 22:05 (two months ago) link

he’d probably accept your shit as safer than vaccines

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Thursday, 4 April 2024 22:09 (two months ago) link

lol

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Thursday, 4 April 2024 22:24 (two months ago) link

money i guess


He’s being propped up by Silicon Valley reactionary tech money either because they really believe in him or because they want him to spoil Biden (which is funny since he may just as likely peel off fanatical anti vax votes from Trump—trumps already lost Rob Schneider to him).

Slorg is not on the Slerf Team, you idiot, you moron (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 5 April 2024 12:01 (two months ago) link

good morning!

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 April 2024 12:05 (two months ago) link

Where’s the presidential debate schedule?

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 5 April 2024 12:31 (two months ago) link

yeah but the vibes are off

Slorg is not on the Slerf Team, you idiot, you moron (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 5 April 2024 13:00 (two months ago) link

Unemployment vibe rate up 4.5%

President Keyes, Friday, 5 April 2024 13:18 (two months ago) link

i got hired for a part time job, which makes teaching three classes and working 25 hours a week at the gym front desk. “the economy is great” my ass— if i have to work as much as i am to reach a modest standard of living, then the economy is shit. period.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Friday, 5 April 2024 13:35 (two months ago) link

like, i know my experience isn’t universal, obviously, but truly find it bizarre that a bunch of people with pretty decent jobs on a message board would essentially mock those who don’t feel like they’re doing that well, despite the figures from economists. it might not be meant that way but that is the way it appears!

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Friday, 5 April 2024 13:52 (two months ago) link

Table, I apologize, I wasn't thinking of people in your situation. I think it's obscene you literally need five part-time jobs just to keep your head above water. I know I'm lucky in the job situation (it's certainly not due to my tact or charm).

Slorg is not on the Slerf Team, you idiot, you moron (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 5 April 2024 13:57 (two months ago) link

I've learned that the general state of the economy has little to do with my personal situation. I was at my lowest during the "boom years" on the late 90s, and I basically doubled my income in the middle of the economic collapse of 2009. Of course I don't deny that that was generally a bad time for a lot of other people.

President Keyes, Friday, 5 April 2024 14:01 (two months ago) link

The biggest income jump of my life coincided with the Trump years.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 April 2024 14:08 (two months ago) link

Most of my friends seem to be doing OK in their various fields, but I know at least a couple of them (especially in media and marketing/advertising) have been wrestling with some serious worries that their ride could end with no warning. Kind of like when the Coyote launches himself off a cliff at high speed but doesn't actually fall until he looks down.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 5 April 2024 14:17 (two months ago) link

My media friends, yeah, are the most unstable.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 April 2024 14:19 (two months ago) link

I think academia and particularly teaching are undervalued but I don't see that as a function of the current economy as much as I see it as a decay and reconfiguration of the social structures of our society.

I was in college 20 years ago and back then, the main trend was the hiring of adjunct professors and instructors who had no real path to a permanent job position or a decent salary. Partly due to the devaluation of education, more so the burgeoning number of students and emphasis on postsecondary education as a path to a majority of jobs in the labor market. Teaching should be a valued position with a livable wage.

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Friday, 5 April 2024 16:03 (two months ago) link

There is lots of shifting sands out there. In the past week I've had conversations with two different physicians bemoaning the state of their profession in the corporate era. They feel undervalued and under-appreciated, just cogs in a machine that more or less looks at them interchangeably, as a set quantity that can be replaced with little to no though, there just to say yes or no to things. Woah is me, right? They are of course doing fine financially, but they work really hard, and if the standard-bearer of education and success is feeling the squeeze and stress in the fight against burnout, it does not bode well.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 5 April 2024 16:14 (two months ago) link

Which is wild, because (at least when I was coming up), education and healthcare had a patina of reliability and sustainment. Like, get into those careers and you’ll be OK.

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 5 April 2024 16:15 (two months ago) link

well, the more people who go into attractive professions, the greater the leverage of the employers becomes

President Keyes, Friday, 5 April 2024 16:17 (two months ago) link

after 30 years as a translator Maria has to make ends meet working in a cruddy used record store in Western Mass. the robots took all her work. thanks, obama!

scott seward, Friday, 5 April 2024 16:18 (two months ago) link

xxpost Exactly. As I understand it, part of the shift hinges on a bigger focus on nurses, PAs, etc. (who in turn have themselves seen, yes, higher wages and more or less 100% employment, but with more than their own share of burnout).

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 5 April 2024 16:18 (two months ago) link

but seriously she was just getting jobs proofreading machine translations for no money and for a highly-skilled human that was too depressing for words. i kinda wonder about all those medical documents getting translated by AI now. maria will tell you. they make tons of mistakes.

scott seward, Friday, 5 April 2024 16:23 (two months ago) link

Did I or someone post the news piece about doctors using AI to dumb down medical results and instructions, to match the average level of reading comprehension in this country?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 5 April 2024 16:26 (two months ago) link

☹️

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 5 April 2024 16:36 (two months ago) link

Biden’s been great for govt employees. Two of the biggest standard of living increases since the 80’s

Comfortably numbnuts (Heez), Friday, 5 April 2024 17:00 (two months ago) link

xps - Corporation-controlled medicine is a great example of how information aggregation is devaluing individual training and experience. My primary care physician is required to work from a what amounts to an imposed script designed to deliver statistically-approved 'care'. According to this script my therapeutic needs are adequately defined by a few neat categories that correspond to the categories that were defined within published studies. Whatever the peer-reviewed study discovered within those confines, it must be applied to my case or else the doctor becomes a renegade who exposes the corporation to the dreaded risk of malpractice litigation.

The only avenue open to her for using her years of specialized training consists of deciding which script best fits the symptoms I'm "presenting" during my exam. Because I'm pretty healthy, my major symptoms are that I'm a white male, 69 years old, and whatever my BMI and BP happens to be on the day of my annual exam (hint: my BMI & BP are fine). But the script spits out its recommendations anyway, which she duly recites to me.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 5 April 2024 17:19 (two months ago) link

Hey, remember how 24 hours ago RFK's campaign was swearing they didn't mean to defend January 6 rioters? Well, today the candidate announced he'd appoint a special counsel to investigate how their rights may have been violated.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Friday, 5 April 2024 20:06 (two months ago) link

that's literally 'defending' them

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Friday, 5 April 2024 20:08 (two months ago) link

He's going to get to the bottom of everything

President Keyes, Friday, 5 April 2024 20:09 (two months ago) link

posted in another thread:

Entirely reasonable description of January 6 as an event in which 'many of the...protesters broke the law in what may have started as a protest but turned into a riot.' Especially so in light of absence of DOJ insurrection charges against anyone involved. https://t.co/FfQfKTjYet

— Byron York (@ByronYork) April 5, 2024

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 5 April 2024 20:13 (two months ago) link

Maybe he *is* a Dem plant, to draw votes from Trump.

nickn, Friday, 5 April 2024 20:17 (two months ago) link

RFK is almost Trump-like in that the constant tripping over his own dick doesn't seem to change his numbers. Like you'd think he'd have been done after that "Oh I didn't just hang out with Epstein, but also Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, OJ Simpson, etc." thing. He just has a new gaffe a few days later and keeps on going.

President Keyes, Friday, 5 April 2024 20:18 (two months ago) link

OK, well "carried no weapons" is a lie, and "had no plans or ability to seize the reins of government" does not mean they lacked the intention to do those things — their lack of plans or ability to carry out any hypothetical plan is more due to their own stupidity and insanity than anything else, and is thus not at all exculpatory. (Plus, we all saw the video of a subset of the rioters moving in a very disciplined and militaristic fashion through the mob. Those motherfuckers had a plan, you can bet on it.

Also, "an individual respected by all sides" doesn't exist.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Friday, 5 April 2024 20:19 (two months ago) link

does not mean they lacked the intention to do those things — their lack of plans or ability to carry out any hypothetical plan is more due to their own stupidity and insanity than anything else, and is thus not at all exculpatory.

otm, colossally fucking up an attempt to kidnap and murder someone doesn't magically absolve one of all crimes.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 5 April 2024 20:21 (two months ago) link

when a woke person breaks a window at a CVS, they should be shot and hung in a town square.

when a right-wing MAGA dick kills a cop en route to breaking into the Capitol building, he was just exercising his First Amendment rights

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Friday, 5 April 2024 20:22 (two months ago) link

Woken window theory?

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 5 April 2024 20:59 (two months ago) link

omg

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Friday, 5 April 2024 21:07 (two months ago) link

when a right-wing MAGA dick kills a cop en route to breaking into the Capitol building, he was just exercising his First Amendment rights

I'm sorry, you mean his 2A rights. The First Amendment is so you can hate people with your sincerely held religious beliefs. For killing Deep State thugs, you need your trusty 2A.

no, no, I meant the murder was simply their artistic expression

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Friday, 5 April 2024 21:26 (two months ago) link

(All) These Fuckin Guys. Like, wtf at this story ...

Montana GOP Senate candidate says he lied to ranger about gunshot wound in 2015. Tim Sheehy was cited for illegally discharging a weapon in a national park but says he made up the gunshot to cover up a bullet wound he received as a Navy SEAL in Afghanistan that he never reported to superiors

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/04/06/tim-sheehy-montana-senate-gunshot-wound-national-park

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 6 April 2024 18:59 (two months ago) link

That does not make any sense at all

Slorg is not on the Slerf Team, you idiot, you moron (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 6 April 2024 19:18 (two months ago) link

He's lying desperately, in the hope of covering up the real truth: that his gunshot wound was actually received at the hands of former Vice President Cheney.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 6 April 2024 19:25 (two months ago) link

As noted by someone:

"In case you’re wondering, no, reading the whole thing doesn’t help it make sense.

A genuine decorated veteran fakes being clumsy and irresponsible to cover up being wounded in combat?"

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 6 April 2024 19:57 (two months ago) link

Sheehy seems like a real asshole, above and beyond the baseline level of assholism required to be a Republican Senate candidate.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Saturday, 6 April 2024 20:24 (two months ago) link

kennedy: "I have not examined the evidence in detail..."

they had fucking live hearings on television, dipshit. you can read the report online!

i hate these assholes with names that allow them to spew crap that people actually hear and believe. so dangerous. trump is more than enough when it comes to batshit stupid. this guy needs to go far far away. when is cheryl hines gonna divorce this creep?

scott seward, Saturday, 6 April 2024 22:29 (two months ago) link

I’m cool with Kennedy trying to peel away Trump votes.

Slorg is not on the Slerf Team, you idiot, you moron (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 6 April 2024 22:54 (two months ago) link

Kennedy's not consciously trying to peel away Trump votes, or Biden votes, any more than when a dog makes a noise that resembles "I love you" he's actually telling you he loves you. Kennedy is totally insane, and attempting to put anything he says or does into a conventional political framework makes you, the sane person, the sucker at the table. He's going to self-immolate in a completely and permanently humiliating manner, and a year from now people are going to care what he thinks exactly as much as they care what Dennis Kucinich or Vermin Supreme thinks. He's going to be the answer to a particularly uninteresting trivia question.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Saturday, 6 April 2024 23:49 (two months ago) link

^ha ha, agree!

Dan S, Saturday, 6 April 2024 23:54 (two months ago) link

I laughed when RFK said we shouldn’t write off somebody just because they say an election was stolen because I believe the 2000 and 2004 elections were stolen.

President Keyes, Sunday, 7 April 2024 01:03 (two months ago) link

xxpost I think this “self-immolation” stuff is wishful thinking. People have thought RFK was a crack for a long time. When his support collapses it will just be people running back to Trump.

President Keyes, Sunday, 7 April 2024 01:07 (two months ago) link

People have thought RFK was a crack for a long time. When his support collapses it will just be people running back to Trump.

Before he started running for president people would take his phone calls. When this campaign ends, no one of any influence will ever be seen with him in public again, because there will be nothing to gain from it.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Sunday, 7 April 2024 01:30 (two months ago) link

Good afternoon!

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 8 April 2024 17:06 (two months ago) link

wow, two whole days!

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Monday, 8 April 2024 17:06 (two months ago) link

https://i.imgflip.com/23ja0p.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 8 April 2024 17:09 (two months ago) link

*snort*

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 8 April 2024 17:12 (two months ago) link

I feel like this exchange from the DJT thread should go here, plus I have a postscript/chaser

abortion is a huge election winner for dems right now, not hard to see how it could hand trump a loss, which is nice for national dems who did nothing to protect it talked about safe legal and rare and in fact wouldnt even say the word, sometimes its good to be the lesser of two evils

― lag∞n, Monday, April 8, 2024 1:08 PM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I've already gotten two fundraising emails/texts since the Trump "news."

― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, April 8, 2024 1:09 PM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

and it should be noted are still doing nothing, state level people passing constitutional amendments thats whats up xp self

― lag∞n, Monday, April 8, 2024 1:10 PM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

betting markets and polls shifting slightly to Biden in the last week.

― CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, April 8, 2024 1:15 PM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

An Emerson College poll of 1,438 registered voters, conducted from April 2 to 3, put Trump at 43 percent against 42 percent for Biden and 8 percent for independent candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. In a straight head-to-head with all other candidates and undecided voters removed, the Republican challenger had 51 percent of the vote against 49 percent for the Democratic incumbent. However, among very likely voters, Biden is ahead 51 to 49, said Spencer Kimball, executive director of Emerson College Polling.

A YouGov survey, conducted for The Economist, had Trump and Biden tied at 43 percent each with Kennedy Jr. third at 2 percent. This survey of 1,601 registered voters took place between March 30 and April 2.

still way too close

― President Keyes, Monday, April 8, 2024 1:17 PM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

if theres any bright side to the whole fucked situation of roe getting axed its that it might teach dems to talk about abortion as healthcare instead of choice, and maybe healthcare as a right idk

― lag∞n, Monday, April 8, 2024 1:19 PM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

likely as opposed to very likely

― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, April 8, 2024 1:20 PM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I remember this 2021 bill

(1) Abortion services are essential to health care and access to those services is central to people’s ability to participate equally in the economic and social life of the United States. Abortion access allows people who are pregnant to make their own decisions about their pregnancies, their families, and their lives.

― poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, April 8, 2024 1:23 PM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

this is a weird cycle its a rematch with no meaningful primaries, feels like it hasnt started yet when usually wed be deep in "election season"

― lag∞n, Monday, April 8, 2024 1:24 PM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 01:33 (two months ago) link

and I just saw this posted by the ACLU:

"Every single abortion rights initiative that has been on the ballot since Roe was overturned has passed."

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 01:34 (two months ago) link

Trump betrayed his deeply held personal principle of being staunchly pro-life?

President Keyes, Tuesday, 9 April 2024 14:31 (two months ago) link

wtf is the word "principles" doing in a headline of a story about Trump, that just seems politically illiterate.

I loved it, got hard just staring at the headline

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 14:39 (two months ago) link

quiddities and hard-ons of the NYT

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 14:40 (two months ago) link

how many abortions do we think Trump has paid for

frogbs, Tuesday, 9 April 2024 14:52 (two months ago) link

well, how many did he say he would pay for but never did?

President Keyes, Tuesday, 9 April 2024 14:54 (two months ago) link

five hundred twenty five thousands six hundred 'bortions

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 15:10 (two months ago) link

...and yet Eric & DJTJ made it through.

Yep first of many “Trump is really a moderate on abortion” articles written by people who just fell off the turnip truck.

Slorg is not on the Slerf Team, you idiot, you moron (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 15:18 (two months ago) link

xpost so maybe it didn't take?

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 15:21 (two months ago) link

lol, was gonna say. They both have a decided air of non-viable fetus about them.

Great-Tasting Burger Perceptions (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 16:13 (two months ago) link

Will the nyt crack new analyzers put the "states decide" position in real perspective?

https://www.npr.org/2024/04/09/1243679136/arizona-abortion-court-decision-ban

rob, Tuesday, 9 April 2024 17:50 (two months ago) link

outside of the general awfulness of that ruling, it's gonna light a political fire in the suburbs that the GOP won't be able to extinguish

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 9 April 2024 18:07 (two months ago) link

Looks similar to what happened in Florida.

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 18:17 (two months ago) link

since the SCOTUS ruling, every time that restoring reproductive rights have been put to the voters, they've won

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 9 April 2024 18:23 (two months ago) link

Apparently Arizonans need 400k signatures by July to get it on the ballot, but already have over 500k, and it just needs a simple majority to pass.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 April 2024 18:31 (two months ago) link

I won’t let Kari Lake distort the record.

She called this law a “great law” - even though it will ban nearly all abortions, including in cases of rape or incest. pic.twitter.com/lXmtShrtSG

— Ruben Gallego (@RubenGallego) April 9, 2024

President Keyes, Tuesday, 9 April 2024 18:37 (two months ago) link

they are continuing to run up the score on signatures to drive turnout iiuc, which seems smart.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 18:38 (two months ago) link

I like to see the Dems immediately tying the GOP to this law

President Keyes, Tuesday, 9 April 2024 18:39 (two months ago) link

As in, literally yesterday Trump endorsed leaving these decisions up to the states. Well, there you go.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 9 April 2024 18:41 (two months ago) link

they should start calling Kari Lake 'pro-incest'

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 9 April 2024 18:56 (two months ago) link

Ol' Incest Lake

The Arizona AG has announced that she will not enforce the ban.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 19:03 (two months ago) link

Lake 2024: You're My Present This Year

frogbs, Tuesday, 9 April 2024 19:04 (two months ago) link

Incest, Lake & Trumper

lol

poppers fueled buttsex crescendo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 19:14 (two months ago) link

Pictures At An Atrocity Exhibition

nickn, Tuesday, 9 April 2024 19:59 (two months ago) link

A lot of online right-wingers think the inbred-as-fuck Habsburgs and Romanovs were the peak of Aryan genetic purity.

Slorg is not on the Slerf Team, you idiot, you moron (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 20:38 (two months ago) link

Their blood was so pure it did not clot!

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 20:39 (two months ago) link

seems like pure aryans should be out singing Wagner on an icy crag, not hanging out in a chatroom idk

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 9 April 2024 20:45 (two months ago) link

Jamelle Bouie on Trump's abortion speech (gift link)

The Man Who Snuffed Out Abortion Rights Is Here to Tell You He Is a Moderate

Donald Trump does not speak from conviction. He does not speak from belief or at least any belief other than self-obsession. He certainly does not speak from anything we might recognize as reason; when he’s holding forth from a podium, even the most careful students of Trump the rhetorician will struggle to find the light of complex thought.

You should think of Trump instead as a purely instrumental speaker. It does not matter to him whether a statement is true or false. It does not matter if one statement contradicts another, in the same speech or in the same paragraph or in the same sentence. What matters to Trump is whether the words serve the purpose at hand. He will say anything if it’s what he feels an audience wants to hear or if it moves him one step closer to a personal or political goal.

Trump’s fundamental disinterest in the truth value of his words is the only context that matters for his comments on abortion Monday morning. In a direct-to-camera statement on Truth Social, the former president told his audience that he does not support a national ban on abortion. “My view is now that we have abortion where everybody wanted it from a legal standpoint,” Trump said. “The states will determine by vote or legislation or perhaps both, and whatever they decide must be the law of the land. In this case, the law of the state.”

...

If you’re not inclined to put Trump’s abortion comments in the context of his habitual disregard for the truth, then you should at least put them in the context of his political coalition, which is dominated by forces and constituencies that want nothing less than the criminalization of abortion, the constitutional protection of fetal life and state regulation of bodily autonomy for the sake of patriarchal gender norms.

Trump embraced this movement and its demands as president, and there’s every reason to believe he’ll do the same with another four years in office. Put another way, when has Trump ever bucked anyone who defends him, supports him and showers him with praise?

We do not have to speculate about Trump’s relationship to abortion and reproductive rights as leader of the Republican Party. He is, after all, a former president of the United States. We already know what he wants, what he’ll do and what he’ll sign. Trump landed a major blow against legal abortion during his first term. If given a second, he will land another.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 21:48 (two months ago) link

Arizona Republican Reps. Juan Ciscomani and David Schweikert react to the Arizona Supreme Court ruling reviving an abortion ban that traces back to the 1800s. Both represent swing districts up for grabs this fall. pic.twitter.com/0G5Ry5oxws

— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) April 9, 2024

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 23:26 (two months ago) link

yeah, this is a big 'dog catches bus' moment and it's fun to watch them squirm

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 9 April 2024 23:33 (two months ago) link

was thinking that exact thing earlier today

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 23:37 (two months ago) link

The man will say anything to stay out of prison, and could care less what the consequences are.

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 9 April 2024 23:41 (two months ago) link

David Schweikert and Juan Ciscomani are abortion extremists who are now masquerading as moderates

And Kari Lake, who praised the 1864 law in her race for Governor in 2022 (it's on video), has done an about-face now that it is in effect. Like them she has no principles, the position will be whatever gets her elected

Dan S, Tuesday, 9 April 2024 23:44 (two months ago) link

Life in Texas? Kinda shitty! (Rick Perlstein interviews an unnamed TX journalist.)

I was having beers with another guy and...We’re both Democrats, and we were both saying we figured we’d stay here until, you know, Texas decided to change on us. I’m not resigned yet, but I don’t feel very good about it. Watching this last election, and watching the final guardrails come off the system was not uplifting. And then, honestly, I think fellow Democrats’ refusal to really recognize how bad things are about to get is in its own way kind of depressing. Talking to a lot of people, and hearing them say, “Well, we didn’t do well in this election, we’ll keep coalition-building and hope for better in the future!” It’s like, we might be about to see public education as we know it not exist anymore—it feels like we ought to have more alarm bells ringing than we do.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Wednesday, 10 April 2024 21:32 (two months ago) link

Arizona GOP just voted unanimously to block Dem attempt to repeal the abortion law. And assholes like Joni Ernst going all in on supporting it, too: "I am a mom; I am a brand-new grandma. and I support life. Senate Republicans, the GOP, and President Trump really worked hard to overturn Roe v Wade. So, we returned that back to the states. That is the law of the land with that Supreme Court decision. So, the states are handling that. But again, we worked very hard to get this result." These goons can't help themselves. Very "he admit it!" meme.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 21:43 (two months ago) link

How far away are we from one of these States just full on voting to say "Democrats can't have any say in government at all"?

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 10 April 2024 21:47 (two months ago) link

Hi from Florida!

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 April 2024 21:55 (two months ago) link

lol (but not really), I just meant even more openly and blatantly than the barely disguised ways they've been doing so far!

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 10 April 2024 21:59 (two months ago) link

The situation in TN: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2024-04-05/tennessee-legislature-s-2024-session-is-a-lesson-in-extremist-politics

With a Republican governor and a supermajority in the state House and Senate, the party’s near-absolute control of the state allows lawmakers to pretend they are the patriarchs in a long-ago revolution. They act as if they need only listen to those who sound and look like them.

On a more personal level, two of my friends were on a Facebook thread today glumly talking about plans to leave the state with their kids because they don't want to bring them up surrounded by all this terrible shit.

I read those comments, tipsy. Grim.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 10 April 2024 22:05 (two months ago) link

Damn, that American Prospect piece.

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 10 April 2024 22:17 (two months ago) link

Yeah, fucking bleak.

Another: “I also just finished a story about how domestic violence homicides are through the roof in Texas (even as overall homicide rates have declined), but we don’t have the infrastructure to really know how bad conditions have become. It turns out when you turn women into second-class citizens and make guns easily accessible, that doesn’t go well.”

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 10 April 2024 22:30 (two months ago) link

Ha, I'm loving this new dance: The Arizona Squirm

“I oppose today’s ruling,” added Kari Lake, a Republican running to represent Arizona in the US Senate and a Donald Trump loyalist. Lake called on the state legislature to “come up with an immediate commonsense solution that Arizonans can support

“This is an earthquake that has never been seen in Arizona politics,” said Barrett Marson, a Republican consultant in Arizona, of the decision. “This will shake the ground under every Republican candidate, even those in safe legislative or congressional seats.”

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 10 April 2024 23:06 (two months ago) link

truly, who among us is perfect

symsymsym, Thursday, 11 April 2024 00:39 (two months ago) link

We need an abortionist president

President Keyes, Thursday, 11 April 2024 00:47 (two months ago) link

Trump Modifies Abortion Messaging - and Why This is Bad for Biden

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 11 April 2024 00:52 (two months ago) link

no offense to any NYC ilxors but I am hoping for another earthquake or meteor or something at this point

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Thursday, 11 April 2024 01:02 (two months ago) link

O.J. Simpson Dead, Bringing New Concerns About Biden

President Keyes, Thursday, 11 April 2024 14:57 (two months ago) link

Until this second it never occurred to me that Biden might kill OJ, but now that you mention it, open the investigation now.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 April 2024 14:58 (two months ago) link

How long before Trump pays tribute

Just sayin', OJ was still alive under Trump ...

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 April 2024 14:59 (two months ago) link

Tbf, OJ was definitely better off four years ago.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 11 April 2024 14:59 (two months ago) link

Trump scratching O.J. off of his Veep list

President Keyes, Thursday, 11 April 2024 15:00 (two months ago) link

ten years ago we had hope, jobs, and OJ

symsymsym, Thursday, 11 April 2024 15:02 (two months ago) link

I’d figure next GOP moves is to start bringing back indentured servitude laws from pre-1860 to start filling those open jobs they cannot fill.

The Artist formerly known as Earlnash, Thursday, 11 April 2024 16:33 (two months ago) link

That too cynical, they’ve only just started bringing back child labor.

Slorg is not on the Slerf Team, you idiot, you moron (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 11 April 2024 17:18 (two months ago) link

...they should use child labor laws to fill those positions

m0stly clean (Slowsquatch), Thursday, 11 April 2024 17:52 (two months ago) link

Children building Teslas

It takes a village

President Keyes, Thursday, 11 April 2024 18:17 (two months ago) link

it takes a pillage

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 11 April 2024 18:18 (two months ago) link

Meanwhile, Jan. 6 penalties continue apace. This is one of my recent faves, a guy who must pay $32,000 to a German media company for destroying their equipment. Included in the evidence that led to the decision:

Haynes documented his activities in text messages he sent to associates. Alongside a photo
of himself standing in front of the debris, he wrote that “(w)e attacked the CNN reporters and the
fake news and destroyed tens of thousands of dollars of their video and television equipment here’s
a picture of me behind the pile we made out of it.”

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 12 April 2024 13:26 (two months ago) link

lol

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 12 April 2024 13:43 (two months ago) link

"Hey, come and take a picture of my crime, while I boast about it and provide further corroborrating detail."

alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 12 April 2024 14:44 (two months ago) link

The Supreme Court's third AND FINAL opinion of the day in Bissonnette v. LePage Bakeries. Per Roberts, a transportation worker need not work in the formal transportation industry to be exempt from the Federal Arbitration Act. It's unanimous! https://t.co/9XvyrzcuNi pic.twitter.com/RrDwfnsBOZ

— Mark Joseph Stern (@mjs_DC) April 12, 2024

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 12 April 2024 14:59 (two months ago) link

Is that good, I genuinely do not know. I guess MJS is not expressing dismay at it.

Slorg is not on the Slerf Team, you idiot, you moron (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 12 April 2024 15:58 (two months ago) link

He's got a follow up text calling it a victory for workers whose jobs involve transportation of goods

curmudgeon, Friday, 12 April 2024 19:46 (two months ago) link

Amendment to Section 702 of FISA that would require the FBI to secure warrants before searching lawfully collected NSA foreign intelligence data for references to Americans, fell one vote short from passing.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 13 April 2024 05:31 (two months ago) link

FISA as a whole got extended for 2 years.

curmudgeon, Saturday, 13 April 2024 05:32 (two months ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/qekkh2S.png

z_tbd, Saturday, 13 April 2024 15:41 (two months ago) link

lololol never change NYT

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Saturday, 13 April 2024 15:43 (two months ago) link

That's WaPo!

Ippei's on a bummer now (WmC), Saturday, 13 April 2024 15:44 (two months ago) link

oh no, it's contagious

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Saturday, 13 April 2024 15:45 (two months ago) link

tasty hot dogs arrive at just the wrong time for hot dog vendor

z_tbd, Saturday, 13 April 2024 15:46 (two months ago) link

I'd usually support clowning on these headlines, but I do think the economy is heading in a direction that will be a problem for Biden. Inflation is remaining stubbornly high, interest rates are too high, stocks recently peaked but are showing signs of shakiness. It might all improve but it might not.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Saturday, 13 April 2024 15:53 (two months ago) link

rents have gone completely nuts for people. if they can even find a place to live that is decent since everyone wants to turn their rental into an air B&B. so high everywhere. and that's huge. as far as how people feel about the economy.

scott seward, Saturday, 13 April 2024 15:57 (two months ago) link

agreed

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Saturday, 13 April 2024 15:59 (two months ago) link

Yep, and mortgages are also impossible because rates are too high, you're basically gambling on the opportunity to refinance at some unknown point in the future.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Saturday, 13 April 2024 16:01 (two months ago) link

I guess I don't understand that part, when we bought our house in 2001 it was 9%! now it's what, 5?

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Saturday, 13 April 2024 16:02 (two months ago) link

Also gas prices. My colleagues at work have been complaining about them lately so there’s a data point for you.

Slorg is not on the Slerf Team, you idiot, you moron (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 13 April 2024 16:02 (two months ago) link

People paid double digit mortgage interest rates in the

Slorg is not on the Slerf Team, you idiot, you moron (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 13 April 2024 16:03 (two months ago) link

Oh fudge..

I meant to conclude with: in the early 1980s. I’d be curious for a comparison between housing costs then and now, adjusted for inflation.

Slorg is not on the Slerf Team, you idiot, you moron (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 13 April 2024 16:04 (two months ago) link

Avg rate for 30 year is around 7%, which is the highest it's been in over 20 years.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Saturday, 13 April 2024 16:15 (two months ago) link

Sounds right, our first house (bought in 2003) I think had a 6% 15-year ARM. Mortgage rates have been practically nonexistent for a while now, or at least sub 3%. I think a lot of people got used to cheap money.

My parents bought my childhood home in 1980 with like a 16% mortgage rate, or something like that. Crazy.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 13 April 2024 16:27 (two months ago) link

yeah I think the problem is more about lagging wages than higher rates

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Saturday, 13 April 2024 16:29 (two months ago) link

mortgage rate is 7% right now for a 30 year mortgage.

scott seward, Saturday, 13 April 2024 16:35 (two months ago) link

oh didn't see moodles post

scott seward, Saturday, 13 April 2024 16:35 (two months ago) link

i think we pay...4% for our house? something like that. we bought it 12 years ago. 13 years ago. something like that.

scott seward, Saturday, 13 April 2024 16:37 (two months ago) link

same, except it was a refi, probably the same time period

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Saturday, 13 April 2024 16:39 (two months ago) link

The base problem isn't mortgage rates, but housing costs overall. Houses are too expensive, largely because near-zero interest rates have fueled the hoarding of houses as investments by the wealthy. The entire housing market has been badly warped by the refusal of Congress to supply sufficient spending stimulus after the financial crisis in 2008-09, leading the Fed to compensate via a give-away monetary policy of 'quantitative easing' combined with a zero interest rate.

The reason mortgage rates are a bigger political problem for Biden than the high cost of the house itself is mainly psychological. If you buy a house for $500,000 (that sold for $250,000 just a few years ago), the sales price feels like it equates to its intrinsic value, so you think you're getting $500,000 worth of house for your money. Paying a higher mortgage rate feel like money thrown into a bonfire.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 13 April 2024 17:04 (two months ago) link

there are very few rentals at any given time where i am and when there is they are 1500/2000 a month for 1br/2br and the pleasure of living in someone's converted attic or hundred year old duplex apartment. its too much. people don't make enough here. i would be so stressed if i had to find an apartment now where i live.

scott seward, Saturday, 13 April 2024 17:11 (two months ago) link

yeah same here, we are one of the worst rental markets in the country for our size

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Saturday, 13 April 2024 17:14 (two months ago) link

A realtor friend of ours broke some of it down like this:

-house prices got super high because those low interest rates allowed people to get more house for their money
-house prices remain super high in a lot of places because inventory is pretty low, which increases demand, despite the higher rates
-demand is being further inflated by millennials now settling down, starting families and buying homes, while at the same time boomers and retirees (because of those high prices) are sitting on their homes rather than downsizing (and freeing up inventory) because the value keeps going up (and yet, for the same reason, often not investing in upgrades, because the value of their properties is not linked to their condition)
-those relatively new to the job and housing market (Gen Z) face low inventory and high rates, making home ownership pretty unobtainable

I think those are some of the points she made.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 13 April 2024 17:15 (two months ago) link

I'd say that's an accurate description of our badly warped housing market.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 13 April 2024 17:18 (two months ago) link

hello from Miami!

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 13 April 2024 18:32 (two months ago) link

-demand is being further inflated by millennials now settling down, starting families and buying homes, while at the same time boomers and retirees (because of those high prices) are sitting on their homes rather than downsizing (and freeing up inventory) because the value keeps going up (and yet, for the same reason, often not investing in upgrades, because the value of their properties is not linked to their condition)

Also because if you can't retire and move to Florida, there's no downgrading path to free up those houses. If you've still got to work there's nothing to buy in the same area if you sell your unnecessarily large raising a family house even if you want to get out from under the upkeep/property taxes.

papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 13 April 2024 18:45 (two months ago) link

Monthly rent in my area, even for older slightly tired apartment complexes, for the same type of dwelling unit with the same amenities, is frequently more than the mortgage my wife and I are paying for our condominium.

Slorg is not on the Slerf Team, you idiot, you moron (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 13 April 2024 18:45 (two months ago) link

xxp my in-laws are doing exactly that. They have their second house just sitting on the market and are in no rush to sell until they get the amount they think it’s worth. It is completely impractical for them at their current health but they’re dead set at the moment.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Saturday, 13 April 2024 18:46 (two months ago) link

Monthly rent in my area, even for older slightly tired apartment complexes, for the same type of dwelling unit with the same amenities, is frequently more than the mortgage my wife and I are paying for our condominium.

The average rent in Miami is about 150% higher than my mortgage

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 13 April 2024 18:53 (two months ago) link

yeah, speaking of Florida, older people here in the east are not selling their house and getting that sweet condo in Boca. they can't afford to! so they sit in their big pile that is starting to fall apart and they don't fix it up because...they old? why bother? in the not that long ago past those people either moved down south, moved to a smaller place or condo, or died. now they live forever? which is nice. but there is nothing for people younger to buy. i mean, they own these houses. they can live in them forever. but there used to be some natural turnover in housing.

scott seward, Saturday, 13 April 2024 20:43 (two months ago) link

is that harsh? nothing against the olds. its not their fault. i'm sure they would rather be hanging at the beach playing pinochle.

scott seward, Saturday, 13 April 2024 20:44 (two months ago) link

i can't believe the prices here now. double. more than double. houses were so cheap. its nuts. its not exactly the lap of luxury here. it is for a certain kind of person though. someone who likes mud. and kombucha.

scott seward, Saturday, 13 April 2024 20:47 (two months ago) link

Houses are too expensive, largely because near-zero interest rates have fueled the hoarding of houses as investments by the wealthy.

This is a huge problem in Atlanta. These investment funds are pricing lower-income buyers out of the market. And, of course, rents are going up.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 13 April 2024 21:01 (two months ago) link

I looked up my house on Zillow and they have it estimated at nearly double what we bought it for. And even back then it was way too expensive for a house of its size.

President Keyes, Saturday, 13 April 2024 21:43 (two months ago) link

My friend lost the midcentury bungalow she'd been renting for 15 years because a guy who was into commercial real estate came along and made cash offers to every house on her street - 2/3 sold out to him including her landlord. He slapped some paint on the houses, spruced up the yards and doubled rent.

papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 13 April 2024 21:48 (two months ago) link

is that harsh? nothing against the olds. its not their fault. i'm sure they would rather be hanging at the beach playing pinochle.

― scott seward, Saturday, April 13, 2024 4:44 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

boomers pretty much ransacked the country so you're not off the mark.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Saturday, 13 April 2024 21:57 (two months ago) link

Here in Australia a series of boomer governments have devised and then protected a thing called "negative gearing" where if someone buys an investment property, all of the interest payments can be deducted from their taxable income. It is now a normal middle class thing for that generation to own 2 or 3 properties since it's so cheap to do that. I can't imagine why the Aus housing market is overinflated and undersupplied, and people under 40 have no chance of owning.
Also - after that generation aged past 55 which used to be the earliest age where you can access your retirement fund, they then jacked it up to 65 so that my generation stays in the workforce to pay boomer pensions and healthcare costs.

assert (matttkkkk), Saturday, 13 April 2024 23:05 (two months ago) link

I think mortgage interest is tax deductible in the US too. Can't say for sure; I would never want to own a house.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Sunday, 14 April 2024 01:55 (two months ago) link

it is!

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Sunday, 14 April 2024 02:18 (two months ago) link

It’s deductible to a point (along with property tax), the max amount was significant reduced several years ago and it sucks

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Sunday, 14 April 2024 02:31 (two months ago) link

Pretty sure here in the US you cannot deduct the interest payments on the mortgage for an investment property, unlike what seems to be the deal in Australia.

Slorg is not on the Slerf Team, you idiot, you moron (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 14 April 2024 03:04 (two months ago) link

If you have enough money to own investment property, you're guaranteed to be running some kind of tax avoidance scam, or having your accountant run one on your behalf, so it all washes out.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Sunday, 14 April 2024 03:09 (two months ago) link

the amt of shit locked down by investment properties and second+ homes is an atrocity

schrodingers cat was always cool (Hunt3r), Sunday, 14 April 2024 04:39 (two months ago) link

I'd think the amount of very rich buying houses both direct and via funds for rentals is a huge part of the housing crunch in the US. You also have the whole culture of house flipping that has run rampant for the dream to be more wealthy for a couple of decades. This in many markets with the VRBO and AirBNB taking lots of properties out of the pool for people who need to live somewhere adding to the problem. Another one that I think is rampant here is that the very rich own up huge partials of 'farm land' which don't really have to actually do that much rich farming and yet get a huge discount on their property tax bill.

The ultra rich that own all these gargantuan horse farms and bourbon businesses have to be laughing their asses off at the peons while they pay pennies on the dollar for their land in KY. No wonder the schools and services are shit across this state. I am sure this type of rich scum legal tax dodging is probably rampant everywhere in the US, even more so the redder the state.

earlnash, Sunday, 14 April 2024 11:55 (two months ago) link

Pretty sure here in the US you cannot deduct the interest payments on the mortgage for an investment property, unlike what seems to be the deal in Australia.


Interest deduction on a rental is more generous than on a primary residence. It counts as an expense of the business so it’s deductible against revenue. ie provided the rental is profitable there is no limit on how much interest you can deduct for a rental property.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 14 April 2024 12:49 (two months ago) link

Yeah. The Aus difference is that if the property makes a loss, the loss comes off the individual’s taxable income - so you can borrow a massive proportion of the property cost more easily, so the market gets inflated.

assert (matttkkkk), Sunday, 14 April 2024 12:55 (two months ago) link

You can deduct rental losses here too but not directly from other income. You have to carry it over and deduct it against future profits from the same property IIUC.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 14 April 2024 13:21 (two months ago) link

If you have enough money to own investment property, you're guaranteed to be running some kind of tax avoidance scam, or having your accountant run one on your behalf, so it all washes out.

Lol, or you just live in the Midwest.

Jordan s/t (Jordan), Sunday, 14 April 2024 13:22 (two months ago) link

Xp: Trump limited the SALT (state and local tax) deduction and mortgage interest deduction, which was a big impact in many higher tax blue states where even a middle income person can easily go over the new limit, especially if they own a home and pay property tax. The SALT limit is only $10,000 and property taxes alone can be higher than that even on a very modest house, not to mention any state or local income tax you might pay. Trump also lowered the mortgage interest deduction cap from $1m in debt to $750k in debt, which is still relatively high even in blue states. Families buying homes that are $800k plus in price are still usually pretty well off, even if not automatically the 1%. The SALT deduction is the bigger problem.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 14 April 2024 14:05 (two months ago) link

This interview with the author of the new book Coming Out Republican: A History of the Gay Right may be of interest to some.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Sunday, 14 April 2024 16:15 (two months ago) link

Thanks. A helluva read.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 14 April 2024 17:59 (two months ago) link

Totally unrelated, for those wondering where some politic poll numbers come from these days, check out this insanity (which imo affirms their uselessness):

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:iwjcgn5pt2krm2lmav2mdcyz/bafkreihsnod7tgv2sdpf5egtvbomyqd5jh7nbhadqdiqf2cvcv6h2zbd4u@jpeg

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 14 April 2024 18:18 (two months ago) link

Yeah, I've pointed out the absurdity of that poll on Twitter. If you're getting a 1% response rate, just give up already.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Sunday, 14 April 2024 19:07 (two months ago) link

About 28% of all U.S. homes with three or more bedrooms are owned by people between the ages of 60 and 78 living by themselves or with another adult, according to a Redfin analysis of 2022 census data. Millennials living with children own just 14% of these bigger homes. A recent Fannie Mae survey found that most Americans 60 and older don’t intend to ever move.

https://www.wsj.com/economy/housing/baby-boomers-big-homes-real-estate-inventory-3a047cb6

scott seward, Sunday, 14 April 2024 20:02 (two months ago) link

timely!

scott seward, Sunday, 14 April 2024 20:02 (two months ago) link

Boomers own half of all of the $32 trillion in home equity in the U.S., according to a Redfin analysis of Federal Reserve data.

scott seward, Sunday, 14 April 2024 20:03 (two months ago) link

I'd forgotten about Trump chipping away at the mortgage interest deduction. No wonder I've owed money the last couple years. Thanks, Trump!

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 14 April 2024 20:08 (two months ago) link

Not a Boomer here but I guess I'm a part of the problem, as someone in the "owns, but can't afford to move" trap. Can't even afford much fixing, so I'm sitting here watching 86-year-old plumbing leak onto ancient carpets. Once the kids are out we can reassess.

alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 14 April 2024 20:55 (two months ago) link

I mean it’s kind of inevitable that people who have owned their homes longer are going to have most of the equity, especially with the way equity works in the typical fixed mortgage (you build very little in the first several years and it accelerates as you own longer)

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 14 April 2024 21:35 (two months ago) link

Yeah, I've pointed out the absurdity of that poll on Twitter. If you're getting a 1% response rate, just give up already.

That's pretty much standard these days, isn't it? When NYT/Siena did those "real-time" polls in 2018, the response rate was even lower than that: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/upshot/elections-polls.html

jaymc, Sunday, 14 April 2024 22:22 (two months ago) link

The mortgage interest deduction also of course disproportionately benefits people with more valuable property, because their interest payments are higher. The first year after we bought our house (cheap, at low 2014 interest rates), I ran the math and it was hilarious how far it was from being worth closing. Never bothered since, we just take the standard deduction.

"The mortgage interest deduction also of course disproportionately benefits people with more valuable property, because their interest payments are higher."

I don't understand this post. It is not really true anymore.

the Trump "tax reform", while giving big tax breaks to corporations and the super rich, did away with mortgage interest and state and local income tax deductions beyond a limit of $10,000. As man alive said, that has had a big impact for even middle class folks in blue states

Dan S, Sunday, 14 April 2024 23:04 (two months ago) link

You’re confusing the mortgage interest deduction (allowed on interest on a principal up to 750,000, untouched by trump) and the SALT deduction on local sales and property taxes (capped at 10k by trump).

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 14 April 2024 23:14 (two months ago) link

The mortgage interest deduction became less common to take under trump because he increased the standard deduction, which made itemizing less common. But the deduction is the same. All completely separate from the SALT cap changes.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 14 April 2024 23:16 (two months ago) link

Also many of us live modestly in very expensive places cause that’s where our jobs/family are. I may get the mortgage interest deduction yes, but I also live in a condo and will never be able to afford a detached home with a yard in this area.

Slorg is not on the Slerf Team, you idiot, you moron (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 14 April 2024 23:16 (two months ago) link

xp, oh I see

Dan S, Sunday, 14 April 2024 23:19 (two months ago) link

In Ghostbusters, Dan Ackroyd gets a mortgage at 19% interest

President Keyes, Sunday, 14 April 2024 23:47 (two months ago) link

The SALT changes disproportionately hit people in states with high income taxes, mostly blue states, it was a total partisan fuck-you. (People in my income-taxless state not affected.)

One part of the Trump tax bill I never saw fully explored: In addition to removing the SALT deduction and lowering the mortgage deduction cap, I think it raised the standard deduction.

Which should have reduced incentives for people to donate to charities and (yes) religious organizations.

But did that happen?

(Although thr mortgage thing was a partisan fuck you that hit me hard, on balance it wasn't bad policy)

fajita seas, Monday, 15 April 2024 01:48 (two months ago) link

xp that happened to us - bought our house in 2015 so we had a year or two of enjoying the SALT benefits before all that blue state middle fingering happened. It was hilarious to me because our republican congressman even took heat for voting for it.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Monday, 15 April 2024 02:11 (two months ago) link

The increase in the standard deduction did lessen the blow for some people. It’s now almost $28000 for married filing jointly. That said, it’s really easy for a family in the northeast or California to go over that in state and local taxes alone. Eg two experienced teachers making about $100k each could be paying around $12,000 in total state income tax and could easily have 18000 in property taxes on a small house. They can only deduct 10k out of that 30. Maybe they have 15k in mortgage interest and made 3000 in charitable contributions. That’s about equal to the standard deduction, they can deduct 28k. Under the old system they could deduct 48k. So you have to assume they’re losing thousands of dollars a year that they would have gotten in their rebates.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 15 April 2024 02:27 (two months ago) link

Fwiw lowering the salt cap also hurt a lot of rich homeowners in Texas because even though they pay not state income tax they pay surprisingly high property taxes.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 15 April 2024 02:33 (two months ago) link

Shame.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 15 April 2024 02:33 (two months ago) link

96% of a SALT cap repeal goes to the top 20%

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/how-dems-can-get-out-of-the-salt-mess-and-save-1-trillion-dollars/

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 15 April 2024 02:59 (two months ago) link

... 18000 in property taxes on a small house ...

This would not be small house in LA/SF/SD, unless it's in a really desirable area. That's a $1.5M house, at least.

nickn, Monday, 15 April 2024 03:27 (two months ago) link

In my area that would be common for a $750k house, and if it was bought ten years ago it was probably bought for a lot less than that.

Top 20% is really not rich for a family, especially if you’re talking about nationally but the people live in a high COL state.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Monday, 15 April 2024 05:02 (two months ago) link

Fwiw lowering the salt cap also hurt a lot of rich homeowners in Texas because even though they pay not state income tax they pay surprisingly high property taxes.

It'll probably never actually happen, but Dan Patrick and other prominent Texas Republicans have floated the idea of abolishing (or at least greatly reducing) the property because of (quiet part) shit like that.

<PROPERTY TAX>

“only the little people pay taxes” — some .01% tax cheat

schrodingers cat was always cool (Hunt3r), Monday, 15 April 2024 05:59 (two months ago) link

Top 20% is really not rich for a family

You’re adding ‘rich’ but it’s literally the upper quintile of incomes. The very least you can call that is “upper middle class” and beyond that 96% like 80% would go to the top 5%.

It was one of the most insane issue for liberals like Pelosi to obsess over. The only way to go further is to tie it to subsidies for Sub Zero refrigerators or something.

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 15 April 2024 07:00 (two months ago) link

The salt cap decrease had a much smaller impact on CA than on like NJ or CT. One upside of its suicidal approach to property tax.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 15 April 2024 11:17 (two months ago) link

Jury selection begins today in Trump hush money trial, meanwhile in Trump documents case being presided over by Trump appointed federal judge Aileen Cannon-

Special counsel Smith urges Judge Cannon to reject Trump's latest bid for delay in classified docs case. "Each time the Court sets a new deadline in this case...the defendants reflexively ask for an adjournment. That must stop."

curmudgeon, Monday, 15 April 2024 13:07 (two months ago) link

Good morning!

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 April 2024 13:08 (two months ago) link

Here we go: Judge Merchan has entered the courtroom.

“Good morning, Mr Trump,” Merchan said after the lawyers introduced themselves.

— Hugo Lowell (@hugolowell) April 15, 2024

By all accounts jury selection could take days to weeks. Does Don-Don have to be there the whole time?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 April 2024 14:04 (two months ago) link

As a criminal defendant, Trump is required to attend proceedings each day of the trial unless he applies for a waiver.

Kim Kimberly, Monday, 15 April 2024 14:11 (two months ago) link

But does that include jury selection?

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 April 2024 14:14 (two months ago) link

It's part of the trial. Why would it be excluded?

Ippei's on a bummer now (WmC), Monday, 15 April 2024 14:18 (two months ago) link

The American people must decide…

again

z_tbd, Monday, 15 April 2024 14:19 (two months ago) link

kind of funny dynamic going on with things like this, the way rightwing media covers the Jan 6th stuff has apparently convinced the hardcore Trumpers that all these things are now traps laid by the FBI

A totally pathetic turnout of pro-Trump demonstrators outside the NYC courtroom. pic.twitter.com/aQrrdlR8cB

— David Corn (@DavidCornDC) April 15, 2024

frogbs, Monday, 15 April 2024 14:20 (two months ago) link

lmao @ Google It

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 15 April 2024 14:25 (two months ago) link

Apparently Trump stock (literal, not figurative) is already down another 16% today. Buy on the dip!

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 April 2024 14:29 (two months ago) link

As someone who was almost seated on a murder trial last week (no joke, check the jury duty thread on here), I can very much confirm that a defendant does have to be there for jury selection.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 15 April 2024 14:29 (two months ago) link

yeah but he was the preznit!

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 April 2024 14:32 (two months ago) link

lol so he has to sit there and stew. I love it.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 April 2024 14:41 (two months ago) link

How is he going to stop himself from attacking individual jurors?

President Keyes, Monday, 15 April 2024 14:42 (two months ago) link

It would probably benefit him to cause a mistrial
More delays

President Keyes, Monday, 15 April 2024 14:43 (two months ago) link

its a pretty funny situation because obviously he needs to be out there campaigning but he can't because finding people impartial to him is nearly impossible

frogbs, Monday, 15 April 2024 14:45 (two months ago) link

it's not stopping him from denouncing the judge.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 April 2024 14:45 (two months ago) link

oh shit that guy with the huge fucking crucifix around his neck is a massive Trad Cath anti-Semite who tried marching with pro-Gaza protestors (and was rightly shunned by them).

Slorg is not on the Slerf Team, you idiot, you moron (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 15 April 2024 14:52 (two months ago) link

its a pretty funny situation because obviously he needs to be out there campaigning but he can't because finding people impartial to him is nearly impossible

Election interference!

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 April 2024 14:53 (two months ago) link

I thought the more campaigning he does in-person, the worse he has been polling

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Monday, 15 April 2024 14:56 (two months ago) link

haha I wouldn't doubt it!

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Monday, 15 April 2024 14:57 (two months ago) link

He's being widely ridiculed for his speech at/about Gettysburg, which has the vibe of an eighth-grader bullshitting their way through after reading exactly none of the material.

President Trump recounts Gettysburg as only he can. pic.twitter.com/dYW9a9PY5h

— Citizen Free Press (@CitizenFreePres) April 15, 2024

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Monday, 15 April 2024 15:00 (two months ago) link

The audience laughter reminds me of when I watched the later desultory Zucker-Abraham-Zucker movies where I laughed because the scene coded as funny or because it's a ZAZ film and I'm supposed to laugh.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 April 2024 15:02 (two months ago) link

They're laughing because they don't give a shit, either.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 April 2024 15:13 (two months ago) link

the people at these rallies truly do not give a shit about the content, only the vibes

Alfred otm

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Monday, 15 April 2024 15:20 (two months ago) link

Wait, was Robert E. Lee cancelled?

President Keyes, Monday, 15 April 2024 15:26 (two months ago) link

yah, he was dropped from his label. and he lost his under armour endorsement deal.

scott seward, Monday, 15 April 2024 15:28 (two months ago) link

JUST IN: Prosecutors plan to ask for Trump to be held in contempt for attacking witnesses.

Earlier:https://t.co/Ts09OPjp9T pic.twitter.com/Rpb2RscJMK

— Kyle Cheney (@kyledcheney) April 15, 2024

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 April 2024 15:36 (two months ago) link

xpost traded off of many Madden teams

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 15 April 2024 15:37 (two months ago) link

Gettysburg was a battle of contrasts.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Monday, 15 April 2024 16:26 (two months ago) link

Prosecutor wants Trump to delete the posts on Truth Social — Apr 10 repost on Stormy Daniels and Michael Cohen, another post on Daniels and another post on Cohen — and be told that further violations will result in jail time.

— Hugo Lowell (@hugolowell) April 15, 2024

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 April 2024 16:35 (two months ago) link

Don't Threaten Me with a Good Time!

Trump: "In the words of General Robert E. Lee, kiss my grits."

scott seward, Monday, 15 April 2024 16:48 (two months ago) link

never fight uphill me boys

Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 15 April 2024 16:52 (two months ago) link

Looks like things are going to get … even more interesting, I suppose.

Hopefully we’re on our way to things getting boring.

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 15 April 2024 16:57 (two months ago) link

The worst thing for this country ever was that the leading Confederates were not executed

Slorg is not on the Slerf Team, you idiot, you moron (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 15 April 2024 17:00 (two months ago) link

(I know that was an extremely basic statement to make.)

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 15 April 2024 17:00 (two months ago) link

Trump apparently snoozing during session this morning acc to Maggie Habes

Is he allowed to bring a MyPillow to court?

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 15 April 2024 17:08 (two months ago) link

He brings in Lindell and uses him for a pillow.

rip

Haberman: Trump appeared to be asleep. His head would fall down… He didn’t pay attention to a note his lawyer passed him. His jaw kept falling on his chest and his mouth kept going slack. pic.twitter.com/Y9niQfZc3W

— Acyn (@Acyn) April 15, 2024

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 15 April 2024 17:35 (two months ago) link

my fave direct quote: "Trump appears to be sleeping. His head keeps dropping down and his mouth goes slack."

scott seward, Monday, 15 April 2024 17:36 (two months ago) link

Let's bore him to death

President Keyes, Monday, 15 April 2024 17:36 (two months ago) link

They suffer so:

Hello from court where this afternoon, we’re expecting the trial to actually start. We’re refreshed after lunch from the courthouse cafeteria, including their usual selection of plastic-wrapped cream-cheese bagels of questionable age.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 15 April 2024 17:37 (two months ago) link

The trick will be if Trump just eats one with the wrapping and falls asleep.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 15 April 2024 17:37 (two months ago) link

"it's bleu cheese, it's supposed to be blue"

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Monday, 15 April 2024 17:37 (two months ago) link

Very low energy

Will he get botulism from three-day-old schmear

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 15 April 2024 17:50 (two months ago) link

https://i.imgflip.com/8mv5tg.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 April 2024 18:11 (two months ago) link

The pro-Trump crowd inside Collect Pond Park across the street from the courthouse dissipated as morning turned to afternoon. The crowd, which at its peak was around 150 people, has mostly left, with many pro-Trump protesters in MAGA and KAG (Keep America Great) hats sitting on benches in the shade. About six American flags (and one "Trump or Death" banner) are rippling in the gentle breeze.

scott seward, Monday, 15 April 2024 18:27 (two months ago) link

When our union was saved by the immortal heroes at Gettysburg, Gettysburg, what an unbelievable battle that was, the battle of Gettysburg, what an unbelievable, I mean it was so much and so interesting, and so vicious and horrible and... so beautiful in so many different ways. It represented such a big portion of the success of this country. Gettysburg, wow... I go to Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, to look and to watch, and uh, the statement of Robert E. Lee, who's no longer in favor, did you ever notice that? No longer in favor. "Never fight up hill o' me, boys, never fight uphill." They were fighting uphill, he said, "Wow..." That was a big mistake, he lost his great general, and uh, they were fighting --- "Never fight uphill 'o me, boys!" But it was too late.

versus

Four score and seven years ago - so many years. It's incredible. Think about that, it's just an incredible number of years - our fathers, and specifically my father, who was a great man, my father, he built a great company, and he brought forth on America... (applause) It's great, America. You know. (applause) America. A new nation, a great nation, conceived in liberty, and dedicated - - - can you believe what they're saying in the media? The media, these guys, the worst guys I have ever seen. Just horrible. Horrible. And this new nation, we're gonna make it great again.

Folks, you know, we're engaged in a civil war. A civil war. Believe me. Crooked Hillary (crowd booing)... oh, my goodness. Crooked Hillary, she thinks America can't endure! (more boos) But you know, without the wall, no nation can endure, (applause) and we're gonna build the wall. (crowd chanting, 'Build the wall!') It's gonna happen and today we're on a battlefield. A great battlefield. I think - and you can ask people. People know this, that this is the greatest battlefield, of this war and maybe even the greatest battlefield of all time, and we're gonna measure that because I think this is a really terrific battlefield. We're about out of time so I'm gonna take a few questions and we're gonna make America great again.

― Silence, followed by unintelligible stammering. (Doctor Casino), Wednesday, August 17, 2016 2:50 PM bookmarkflaglink

not the one who's tryin' to dub your anime (Doctor Casino), Monday, 15 April 2024 18:48 (two months ago) link

Despot, The Insult Comic Bore

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 15 April 2024 18:51 (two months ago) link

Wow.

"More than half of prospective jurors in the first panel of 96 people have been excused after saying they could not be fair and impartial. At least 50 were let go for that reason"

— per @GrahamKates in the press pool

— Adam Klasfeld (@KlasfeldReports) April 15, 2024

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 April 2024 19:20 (two months ago) link

Fox News currently torn between mentioning Trump fell asleep at his trial or claiming he's actually woke

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 April 2024 19:25 (two months ago) link

What’s the usual rate of excusal in that venue/court for that apparent that reason

schrodingers cat was always cool (Hunt3r), Monday, 15 April 2024 19:27 (two months ago) link

It's a quick way to get out of serving on a long trial

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Monday, 15 April 2024 19:29 (two months ago) link

What has his life been but a long trial. For everyone.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 April 2024 19:29 (two months ago) link

The third prospective juror, asked about her hobbies, said she likes to “go to the club.” She said it in a playful voice, prompting a big laugh from reporters in the overflow room.

scott seward, Monday, 15 April 2024 19:50 (two months ago) link

"Never Fight A Pill!" for May Thread Title.

It's a beautiful day, so I walked to the library to pick up a cookbook (Jason Hammel's "Lula Cafe Cookbook"). On the way there I passed a man who looked like a Mormon missionary that had been out in the sun a bit too long. He smiled at me, so I smiled back, and then he held out a clipboard. I took out my earbuds (Big Star's "Radio City," literally timeless in that it never gets old) and asked him what's up. He asked me if I would sign a petition. "What's it for?" I asked. I could have sworn he subtly tilted the clipboard closer to him, to make it harder to read.

"I'm not asking for any money," he said.

"I get that," I said. "What's the petition for?"

And then I see the bold courier type at the top: "Robert Kennedy Jr." I tap the top of the clipboard, twice, hard. "No, not that guy."

The man visibly deflated and looked at me, desperate. "Third party?" he asked, with some exhaustion, as if those words alone would open some magical door.

"I'm fine with third parties," I said. "But I don't like his politics, and I don't like his anti-science beliefs." I saluted. "Good luck, Kennedy-guy." And then I walked off.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 April 2024 20:21 (two months ago) link

JUST SIGN THE FUCKING PETITION WILL YOU??

Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 15 April 2024 20:27 (two months ago) link

please clap

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Monday, 15 April 2024 20:28 (two months ago) link

I hope you did a jump, with a heel click!

(More seriously, thank you.)

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Monday, 15 April 2024 20:28 (two months ago) link

I mostly wanted to immediately wash my hands.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 April 2024 20:30 (two months ago) link

What would have been listening to when you were washing your hands?

Probably Big Star, "September Gurls" had just started by the time I got home.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 15 April 2024 20:38 (two months ago) link

lol

https://t.co/a12PUkIa4k pic.twitter.com/Swan4rIvjP

— Biden-Harris HQ (@BidenHQ) April 15, 2024

frogbs, Monday, 15 April 2024 20:43 (two months ago) link

damn that's next level troll

Andy the Grasshopper, Monday, 15 April 2024 20:46 (two months ago) link

Sleeping in court again?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfQFq8jMMsY

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Monday, 15 April 2024 20:49 (two months ago) link

what kind of socialist hellhole is this that a man of mr. trump's stature is sitting in witch-hunt court instead of golfing at one of his country clubs?

jesus wept :(

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 15 April 2024 20:55 (two months ago) link

Reclaim
Fucking
Klanland

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4595085-rfk-jr-trump-vp-2024-campaign/

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 15 April 2024 21:04 (two months ago) link

Reclaim
Fucking
Klanland

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4595085-rfk-jr-trump-vp-2024-campaign🕸/


That’s exactly the kind of fresh, out of the box thinking from a bright eyed go getter like Donald Trump.

Slorg is not on the Slerf Team, you idiot, you moron (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 15 April 2024 22:28 (two months ago) link

Hey, remember Madison Cawthorn? Asshole right-wing House member? Wheelchair? Well, apparently he rear-ended a cop in a fit of road rage today:

#breakingnew 🚨🚨Former Republican Congressman Madison Cawthorne who was tailgating me, just rear ended a FL State Trooper‼️ Im SHOOK 🤯😡😳 I was driving on i75S towards Miami in the left lane and this black tinted sports car was tailgating me relentlessly. I accelerated ahead… pic.twitter.com/IfS2EUg1oC

— Alethea⸆⸉ (@Women2Dc) April 15, 2024

If that tweet doesn't load for you, here's the text:

Former Republican Congressman Madison Cawthorne who was tailgating me, just rear ended a FL State Trooper‼️ Im SHOOK 🤯😡😳 I was driving on i75S towards Miami in the left lane and this black tinted sports car was tailgating me relentlessly. I accelerated ahead and moved to the right lane in front of a tractor trailer to let the car by. 5 mins later the highway comes to a complete stop, I swerve to the side so no one rear ends me and slow to a halt. Suddenly the car door opens and a man in a wheelchair rolls out. At the same moment I have to navigate around his car and I look ahead to see the officer exiting from his rear ended vehicle holding his neck in the left lane as well. I pulled over to the right shoulder lane and stopped to ask if everyone was ok and to offer assistance. I couldnt believe my eyes. It occured to me that former CONGRESSMAN CAWTHORNE from NC was the black CAR that stormed by me in an angry road rage tantrum. I spoke to the cop to see if he was ok as he was quite stunned & kept reaching for his neck. He said he was ok, asked if I was a witness, (I wasnt, I must have been 30 seconds behind) and I gave them water as i didnt know what else to do after he thanked me for stopping.

As I drove away & replayed the surreal scene in my head I realized it was the same car who was erratically & aggressively driving behind & then around me. Unbelievably scary & upsetting to see 🥺

(Happened at 4:32pm heading South on i75 towards Miami around the Big Cypress Reservation)

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 00:58 (two months ago) link

I was wondering what became of him (but not enough to google it)

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 00:59 (two months ago) link

And him being an asshole driver is about right.

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 01:01 (two months ago) link

His eyepatch didn't help.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 01:06 (two months ago) link

That’s a jock strap

Slorg is not on the Slerf Team, you idiot, you moron (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 01:18 (two months ago) link

Florida Wheelchair Man

lol checking court records to see if he was cited

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 01:32 (two months ago) link

lol the Broward County clerk of court is supposedly "exceeding reCAPTCHA quota"

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 01:36 (two months ago) link

BREAKING: Clarence Thomas was in the car with Cawthorne, current whereabouts unknown

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 01:45 (two months ago) link

21st Century OJ & AC

do chaired ppl drive cars from their chairs, so can just roll out when you stop

schrodingers cat was always cool (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 04:03 (two months ago) link

Jeez, brilliant move:

I'd completely missed this new completely cynical alliance in the making https://t.co/IkJEVE99su

— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) April 16, 2024

paisley got boring (Eazy), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 04:27 (two months ago) link

(Saying that about whoever coordinated it, not the guy saying it)

paisley got boring (Eazy), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 04:27 (two months ago) link

take the last train to schnecksville

schrodingers cat was always cool (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 04:36 (two months ago) link

"Genocide Joe" scans nicely with "Suicide Blonde."

alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 11:57 (two months ago) link

Seeking leniency at sentencing, Jan 6 defendant Israel Easterday’s attorney argues Easterday “did not fully understand” the Confederate flag he carried amid mob. And he acknowledges Easterday deployed chemical spray at police

Yeah, they should totally show leniency, based on the legal premise of "my bad."

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 12:13 (two months ago) link

Over a year old but still lol: Capitol rioter's lawyer cites work as his 'family's primary cow milker' as proof he's not a threat.

https://www.rawstory.com/capitol-rioter-2659208256/

Requiem for a Dream: The Musical! (Dan Peterson), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 12:46 (two months ago) link

I have had two people today wonder aloud why traffic is so bad in lower manhattan and if there is an “event” so we’re all doomed is what im saying

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 12:56 (two months ago) link

“That’s TODAY?” They ask, amazed.

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 12:59 (two months ago) link

Well, we're the only nerds following this shit.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 13:18 (two months ago) link

didn't realize the trial was gonna be around 6 weeks long and that Trump is required to stay for all of it...even if nothing comes of this that's pretty significant and is gonna turn him into more of a whiny bitch than he already is

frogbs, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 13:32 (two months ago) link

and it allows the Biden campaign to keep attacking him

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 13:34 (two months ago) link

I don't even want to link it directly, but cool to see a sitting senator (Tom Cotton) openly advocating for vehicular manslaughter against protestors on X.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 13:49 (two months ago) link

The coward went back and edited the tweet.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 13:56 (two months ago) link

He's such a dick. Road rage by proxy. (Not that they needed the prompting, getting stuck in gridlock traffic and missing flights tends to raise the temperature even more than usual.)

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 13:58 (two months ago) link

lmao they're really gonna try to do this again

https://i.imgur.com/wUTjKAV.png

frogbs, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 14:17 (two months ago) link

Maybe this time they will elect Trump Speaker, just so he has an excuse not to show up in court.

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 14:18 (two months ago) link

he'll be the Sleeper of the House

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 14:20 (two months ago) link

Serious question: is there any other point to removing another speaker besides a few members of congress drawing attention to themselves? It doesn’t seem like it’s helping anyone’s cause aside from that.

tobo73, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 16:49 (two months ago) link

The point is these people dont want government to work at all, so anything they can do to make that happen is good

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 16:55 (two months ago) link

^^ otm

When they don't have power, the entire point is for them to grind things to a halt so they can screech to their base about the failed and ineffective Dems in power.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 17:13 (two months ago) link

That's been the strategy since at least Dubya.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 17:13 (two months ago) link

was it ken buck that recently said something like 'Give me one thing I can take to my voters, one thing that we've actually done?' and everybody just looked at their fingernails

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 17:48 (two months ago) link

The voters want the chaos too; it's why they elected these moron nihilists.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 17:59 (two months ago) link

Republicans are as miserable as leftists and centrists are, their lives suck just as bad, they just have convinced themselves that these problems they have are caused by liberalism and not the policies they themselves voted for.

like the idiots who say things like "if you didn't have to pay Social Security/Medicare taxes, the money you saved would allow you to retire more comfortably and you'd be able to afford healthcare without insurance"

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 18:07 (two months ago) link

The voters want the chaos too; it's why they elected these moron nihilists.


Not sure I buy this. I’d guess that MAGA ppl want Trump to rise to power and all their political bad guys to be vanquished and pwned. That’s not the same thing as chaos.

tobo73, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 18:12 (two months ago) link

.@RepThomasMassie promises there are MORE GOP votes to remove Mike Johnson now than there were with McCarthy.

And if Dems save him? “He goes further in the hole with Republicans. He becomes toxic to the conference. For every Democrat who comes to his aid he’ll lose 2-3 more Rs.”

— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) April 16, 2024


Rep. Massie says he won’t trigger the motion to vacate but he’ll vote for it when it comes up. He’s “pretty certain” more Rs will vote to oust Johnson than McCarthy. “This will get called and he will lose the vote.”

“There’s no sustainable solution where Democrats save him.”

— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) April 16, 2024

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 18:29 (two months ago) link

And why would they?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 18:31 (two months ago) link

Hmm, what would happen, constitutionally, if half of congress just quit or died? Would nothing get done until they refilled their ranks?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 18:32 (two months ago) link

Not sure I buy this. I’d guess that MAGA ppl want Trump to rise to power and all their political bad guys to be vanquished and pwned. That’s not the same thing as chaos.
― tobo73,

It's not zero-sum; it can be both. We can go back to 2010 where the NYT and other publications interviewed voters who wanted legislators to gum up the works.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 18:39 (two months ago) link

xp - The constitution leaves it to the congress to devise the rules under which it operates, so it depends on what rules have been adopted. They can change.

fyi, usually at the start of each new congress the proposed rules are brought to the floor as the first order of business after electing a house speaker and a senate majority leader. The rules were drawn up by the Rules committees of each chamber and whichever party controls each chamber controls that committee and gets to tailor them to suit themselves.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 18:45 (two months ago) link

So even if there were, say, 20 members of congress left, they could change the rules to say that 20 members of congress is all that is needed to pass laws?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 18:51 (two months ago) link

The rules are always going to define a quorum, so (theoretically) if the membership of congress somehow fell to the point where a quorum was no longer possible, then voting on legislation would (theoretically) be suspended until a quorum was achieved. But I doubt this problem will ever arise outside of imagining it.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 18:58 (two months ago) link

So if a congress, for example, constantly churned through speakers and barely participated in its constitutional duties, while wasting time on bullshit and theater, there's no remedy or way around it until the next election?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 19:02 (two months ago) link

bingo!

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 19:04 (two months ago) link

I nominate myself for speaker

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 19:09 (two months ago) link

lmao

Biden says if Trump's Truth Social stock 'drops any lower he might do better under my tax plan than his'

— Danny Kemp (@dannyctkemp) April 16, 2024

frogbs, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 19:09 (two months ago) link

oh snap

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 19:41 (two months ago) link

Relatedly, this is amazing.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 19:47 (two months ago) link

"Spooning dogs" is exactly how I imagine Trump's sex life.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 19:48 (two months ago) link

Not sure I buy this. I’d guess that MAGA ppl want Trump to rise to power and all their political bad guys to be vanquished and pwned. That’s not the same thing as chaos.

Not 'chaos' but an ineffectual federal government because the feds in their view only obstruct their goals. If you're the local car lot magnate, in your view the damn regulatin' feds can only stand in your way (and lock up your dear leader and possibly you if you didn't wear a mask on a certain day in January).

Up to 2016 Republican politicians could walk the line of capitalism needing structure and a functional state and their hooting masses of primary voters who played tapes of Reagan saying "I'm from the government and I'm here to help" to help them sleep but the hooting reactionaries got too much power.

papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 19:51 (two months ago) link

xpost This probably explains that image:

And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
--Matthew 15:27

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 19:51 (two months ago) link

"Jesus Fed My Designer Dog"

Up the Irish:

The foreperson who was just selected — that’s juror one, the de facto leader of the group who will likely help steer deliberations — works in sales and enjoys the outdoors. He is originally from Ireland, but will help decide the former American president’s fate.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 20:02 (two months ago) link

there's enough detail about that guy that his name will be published before end of day

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 20:03 (two months ago) link

My first thought was 'AI-generated comedy image'. But then I looked at the hands and must conclude that it was lovingly painted by a true believer.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 20:03 (two months ago) link

yeah why are they publishing so much info

a (waterface), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 20:05 (two months ago) link

treating it like a game show

a (waterface), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 20:05 (two months ago) link

"Works in sales and enjoys the outdoors"
Swipes right

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 20:08 (two months ago) link

I read that New York law is not like other states in terms of juror privacy, so it can vary.

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 20:08 (two months ago) link

I was listening to a former AUSA who basically said all these jurors will be known to the public (if you look for it) within the next few days.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 20:25 (two months ago) link

Quite a media diet:

The first six jurors have been selected for Trump's hush money trial.

The foreperson is a man originally from Ireland who now lives in West Harlem and works in sales. He gets his news from The New York Times, the Daily Mail, Fox News and MSNBC.

— Zach Schonfeld (@ZachASchonfeld) April 16, 2024

jaymc, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 21:03 (two months ago) link

That sounds suspiciously like someone who wants to be on that jury.

clemenza, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 21:06 (two months ago) link

"Good information on both sides ..."

nickn, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 21:07 (two months ago) link

Mr. Bothsides

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 21:08 (two months ago) link

Now I’m falling asleep
And I’m going to trial

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 21:12 (two months ago) link

Looks like they’ve got Matt Drudge on the jury

paisley got boring (Eazy), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 21:33 (two months ago) link

The amount of info provided re: each juror just to goose the engagement that poster gets is a great way to set up invalidating the entire trial to those in the losing side to bang on about

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 22:33 (two months ago) link

wtf kind of irish gets his news from the daily mail

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 23:30 (two months ago) link

kingfish otm, this is gonna be a mistrial and the fascist takeover will continue as intended

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 23:41 (two months ago) link

trump will be made speaker of the house and mike johnson's head will be put on the end of a stick and trump will declare all trials officially phony and very bad. end of movie.

scott seward, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 23:55 (two months ago) link

If the Tarzan Yell Freedom!!!! Caucus bozos keep up their hijinks all through this election year they might manage to get themselves so widely hated by the nation at large that the Republicans lose control of the House.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 00:49 (two months ago) link

it only takes, what, three seats lost? we can do it!

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 00:56 (two months ago) link

Thomas Massie is such a total ding dong. Between him and James Comer, they must have to use a bunch of sippy cups at House Ky GOP meetings.

The Artist formerly known as Earlnash, Wednesday, 17 April 2024 07:14 (two months ago) link

Dems massively outraising Republicans. even in Texas (!) it's close. is this because a bunch of R donations are getting gobbled up by the Trump campaign or are they just not getting donors?

https://i.imgur.com/QE7Ovf8.jpeg

frogbs, Wednesday, 17 April 2024 14:46 (two months ago) link

whoa @ Sherrod Brown's figures

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 14:48 (two months ago) link

Rick Perlstein was interviewed for a new PBS documentary on William F. Buckley, and he's not happy with the final product. (Surprising footnote: he's apparently a Henry Rollins fan!)

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 15:10 (two months ago) link

Great piece.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 15:10 (two months ago) link

Made me want to know more about Willis Carto, who is only familiar to me as a reference (William Gibson named a character in Neuromancer after him).

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 15:18 (two months ago) link

That Rick Perlstein post is nice, and matches up with Danny Bessner says in this conversation on “Time to Say Goodbye” last week, that American liberalism from the post-war onwards has to continually prop up respective reactionary types because it can’t function without some position or some cohort to be _against_.

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 16:12 (two months ago) link

"We need a functioning Republican Party."

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 16:17 (two months ago) link

we need a Republican Party and its convention needs to be held on NY Subway train tracks

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 16:18 (two months ago) link

all kinds of hilarity in the House Oversight committee today

Wow Raskin and Comer are going at it pic.twitter.com/JalLGlLiF4

— Acyn (@Acyn) April 17, 2024

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 16:39 (two months ago) link

Comer is like smooth(er) brained Newt

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 16:48 (two months ago) link

there's a bunch of other clips out there that are equally entertaining

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 16:48 (two months ago) link

it's wild, they're acting like 4th graders. but Raskin is right! they have nothing!

frogbs, Wednesday, 17 April 2024 17:17 (two months ago) link

I recall a time when even the biggest fools in Congress knew enough not to act like three-year-olds throwing mashed potatoes at the dinner table.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 17:26 (two months ago) link

re: fundraising...are actblue and the DNC doing a good job raising out of state funds for these contests? I've removed myself from every single dem mailing list so now I don't know how much they are pestering people.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 17:27 (two months ago) link

Joe Biden emailed me this morning to tell me that he respects me

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 17 April 2024 17:31 (two months ago) link

lol

I will say that I get at least 5-10 donation request texts per day

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 17:32 (two months ago) link

Easily 25 begging emails daily.

steely flan (suzy), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 17:41 (two months ago) link

Instead of emails I get begging letters in my mailbox from the DNC and candidates in out-of-state races. After decades of thinking strategically about this stuff, we concentrate our donations on in-state candidates and measures, plus we give a bit to the Democratic party for our local county, which is chronically cash-starved, just to encourage the unpaid officers not to quit. We also regularly give small amounts to a wide variety of progressive/environmental organizations that do lobbying on the theory that swelling the ranks of their membership gives them better visibility and more clout.

But the biggest amounts we give go toward electing politicians who will be sympathetic to and cooperative with those organizations when they come around to lobby them, because it's they who will be sponsoring the necessary legislation and voting on public policy, which is the most critical step in the whole process.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 17:42 (two months ago) link

I went through a phase where I was throwing very modest amounts of money around at smaller races. I started to get kind of cynical about the whole thing though, feeling like I was just tilting at windmills and giving money to consultants. I haven't given a dime for at least several years and my inbox is absolutely overflowing with emails that start out like "Man Alive, my son Bobby needs your help." And "Bobby" turns out to be running for Idaho state house or w/e

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 17:53 (two months ago) link

I gave some dough and wrote some postcards for swing seat candidates in Virginia last fall. Felt good when my adopted guy won.

President of the Canadian Council of Bassoonists (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 17:59 (two months ago) link

The one out-of-state recipient I've indulged in repeatedly is throwing a sawbuck to Fair Fight in Georgia so they can battle on and GOTV. Every crack in the solid South must be prised. (<< a bit of a treat for the word mavens)

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 18:11 (two months ago) link

re: fundraising...are actblue and the DNC doing a good job raising out of state funds for these contests? I've removed myself from every single dem mailing list so now I don't know how much they are pestering people.

― I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm),

Quite easily about five texts a day and countless emails. I've never seen anything like it.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 18:12 (two months ago) link

I think I (somehow) managed to slay most of the email mailing list demons over the last couple years, but the texts seem to be multiplying

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 18:14 (two months ago) link

ok, well, it sounds like fundraising is working, despite it being annoying!

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 18:18 (two months ago) link

and it's hyperlocal too

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 18:20 (two months ago) link

Just got one!

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 18:20 (two months ago) link

Oh, for sure. If a deluge of political texts is the price I have to pay for Trump and his party taking a beating this year… then bring it on

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 18:20 (two months ago) link

hey ILX, it's....it's Joe.

Look, I know I said I wouldn't ask again....

I know, I know...you have every right to be mad at me.

I'M mad at me.

but....I have to ask.

can I get $5?

I know what you're thinking but it's important. I can't win without it.

I know I've said this before. but I won last time, didn't I?

look you don't even need it. it's $5. what were you going to do with that anyway?

....I mean can't you reuse diapers?

look...I promise if you give me $5 this time, this will be the last.

hey look....when your kid is grown up, and he's living in a totalitarian dictatorship, and he asks you how this happened...

are you going to be able to explain to him that you chose keeping your $5 over DEMOCRACY?

so think about it...it's either $5 now....or your life later.

CEO Greedwagon (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 18:24 (two months ago) link

“It’s Joe. Lemme hold a fiver”

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 18:25 (two months ago) link

I don't get any texts. I used to get a ton from campaigns in Wisconsin, for some reason, all addressed to someone named Eugene. But that was at my old phone number. My new Montana number remains invisible to scammers and beggars. I get an email or two a day from Jon Tester's campaign, and was getting others from other campaigns (Sherrod Brown, Tammy Baldwin) but I immediately hit unsubscribe on those.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 18:42 (two months ago) link

This is the first year in a while I got texts for local races, usually I get hit up for out of state stuff.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 April 2024 18:45 (two months ago) link

The Tim Kaine emails are reaching my .co.uk account at the rate of three a day. The wheedling subject headers attached to alllllll of them create a frisson of delight when I hit delete.

steely flan (suzy), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 18:47 (two months ago) link

wow I am feeling very lucky rn

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 18:55 (two months ago) link

My cell phone number is apparently listed somewhere under someone else's name - every election cycle I get so many texts from PACs that think I'm this other guy. It almost seems like an invasion of this dude's privacy because he has a very unique first name and the texts let me know what county he lives in. I keep telling them to lose my number but it never works.

c u (crüt), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 19:01 (two months ago) link

Hey, ilx. It's James Carville.
I'm fucking terrified.

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 19:07 (two months ago) link

Neanderthal pretty much nails what these emails and texts actually read like, they sound insane to me but I guess it works

frogbs, Wednesday, 17 April 2024 19:08 (two months ago) link

I guess it works

Marketers in the 20th century learned a ton from doing direct mail. Now that they have detailed demographic info on everyone, cheap access to everyone via texts & emails, and computers to do all the number crunching they can test out dozens of pitches, measure exactly which work best with whom, and constantly tweak them to create 'bespoke' texts and emails for niche demographics. So, it works pretty well.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 19:16 (two months ago) link

Add: the begging letters I get aren't nearly as refined as the texts I just described. they're basically pitched at generic 'doddering liberals' and lean hard on the "give me money or the bogeyman will get you" pitch.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 19:22 (two months ago) link

Subject line: I’m asking

Response: I’m deleting

Subject line: It’s our most important deadline!

Response: that sounds like a You problem (deletes)

steely flan (suzy), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 19:25 (two months ago) link

Someone I know used to get the occasional automated spam call in Chinese. I thought, that's weird, randomly calling numbers in hopes that they speak Chinese. So I did a little googling and what do you know, that's exactly what's up, a Chinese language scam just scattershot reaching out to thousands of random numbers in the off chance they find someone that a) speaks Chinese and b) falls for whatever scam it is. Is it efficient? Hell no. Does it cost them much? Probably not. Do they do it because every once in a while it works? No doubt.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 17 April 2024 19:40 (two months ago) link

I live in Virginia and I don't get anything from Tim Kaine. He'll do fine without my money anyway. Swing districts, that's where it's at, me lads!

President of the Canadian Council of Bassoonists (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 20:18 (two months ago) link

I have only received texts and mail for local races. The texts all come from our reprehensible state rep who is a corrupt, crime and punishment loving dude with the easily recognizable name, Amen Brown. I doubt he will be beat given the demographics of where I live, but I would truly love for Cass Green (his primary opponent) to win.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 20:36 (two months ago) link

I live in a US House swing district and we'll be directing the bulk of our contributions toward taking back from an R who ran as a non-MAGA moderate, but ofc voted straight party line 98% of the time once seated.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 20:41 (two months ago) link

The e-mails have stopped but I get 1-2 spammy texts every week from Democrats begging for money. It's a step up from when I'd get mailers that looked like bills or collection notices but only a small one.

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 20:52 (two months ago) link

okay, off and running... I would have chosen an American pistol manufacturer

Far-right US Senate candidate tells crowd to ‘strap on a Glock’ before elections

Lake told the crowd: “We need to send people to Washington DC that the swamp does not want there. And I can think of a couple people they don’t want there. First on that list is Donald J Trump; second is Kari Lake.

“He’s willing to sacrifice everything I am. That’s why they’re coming after us with ‘lawfare’,” Lake said, referencing the ex-president’s many legal troubles as he stands trial in New York.

“They’re going to come after us with everything. That’s why the next six months is going to be intense. And we need to strap on our … ”

Lake briefly paused before deciding on the item her supporters should strap on. After suggesting a “seatbelt”, a “helmet” and “the armor of God”, she said: “And maybe strap on a Glock on the side of us just in case.”

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 17 April 2024 22:15 (two months ago) link

"Kari Lake" + "Strap On" getting alot GOP incognito mode action rn

choose your own strap-on

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 17 April 2024 22:47 (two months ago) link

If you strap me on I'll never stop

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 22:53 (two months ago) link

I'll bet she has only a dim idea of what a Glock actually is, but knows it'll get headlines... I don't really see her as an outdoorswoman

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 17 April 2024 22:58 (two months ago) link

um, Glocks aren’t typically used in outdoor shooting sports or hunting, fwiw.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 23:01 (two months ago) link

I know, I just mean she's a TV newscaster, not a firearms enthusiast

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 17 April 2024 23:12 (two months ago) link

oh i see

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 17 April 2024 23:15 (two months ago) link

Cops use Glocks tho.

Don't Strap On Me

nickn, Wednesday, 17 April 2024 23:39 (two months ago) link

Glock around the clock

I think I know her favorite Steely Dan song

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Thursday, 18 April 2024 00:52 (one month ago) link

What a shock Johnson's also a neocon in addition to every other bad thing he is.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/10/27/mike-johnson-breathes-some-hope-into-ukraine-funding/

I'm sorry but you are impinging upon my bubble

Luna: Furthermore, remember, Ukraine chose to not join NATO.

Berman: It was NATO and the US and others who didn't want Ukraine to enter

Luna: I’m going to have to respectfully push back on that because I disagree pic.twitter.com/AhldwdrnRI

— Acyn (@Acyn) April 18, 2024

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Thursday, 18 April 2024 14:37 (one month ago) link

Johnson is terrible but I'm getting the sense Dems don't view him as a dishonest backstabber like McCarthy, so they at least seem willing to work with him

frogbs, Thursday, 18 April 2024 14:39 (one month ago) link

He can't stab them in the back -- he needs their backs.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 April 2024 14:40 (one month ago) link

Johnson, has been, well, not better, but something different I guess.

President of the Canadian Council of Bassoonists (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 18 April 2024 15:06 (one month ago) link

Things got heated on the House floor. DVO called Gaetz “tubby” in fiery scrum

GOP Rep. Derrick Van Orden entered the 20 minute heated floor conversation as it was ongoing and dared his right-wing colleagues to move on the motion to oust Johnson

W/ @AnnieGrayerCNN

— Haley Talbot (@haleytalbotcnn) April 18, 2024

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 18 April 2024 17:31 (one month ago) link

"tubby" in fiery scum = Best Dub Album

irl lol

Requiem for a Dream: The Musical! (Dan Peterson), Thursday, 18 April 2024 17:36 (one month ago) link

Rockers Meets King Tubby In A Fiery House Scrum

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Thursday, 18 April 2024 17:37 (one month ago) link

lol here from me too

Are you addicted to struggling with your horse? (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 18 April 2024 17:39 (one month ago) link

I'm just curious -- what happens if we don't get a Farm Bill?

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 18 April 2024 17:42 (one month ago) link

van Orden is an angry drunk

underminer of twenty years of excellent contribution to this borad (dan m), Thursday, 18 April 2024 17:46 (one month ago) link

what happens if we don't get a Farm Bill?

something involving pitchforks and torches I think

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 18 April 2024 17:47 (one month ago) link

Anyway, adding to overall totals, a GOP baby is leaving the House (allegedly because of his own kids but come on, this guy's what, 15?)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 April 2024 17:59 (one month ago) link

Separately, oh my fucking god:

Conservatives in the House Freedom Caucus are signing up to take shifts to monitor the chamber floor in order to prevent their own party leaders from making unilateral moves that could curb their power.

The Freedom Caucus’ Floor Action Response Team, shorthanded as “FART,” aims to guard against an unannounced request to pass resolutions that would stealthily limit their leverage against leadership, according to two Republicans with direct knowledge, who were granted anonymity to speak candidly.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 April 2024 17:59 (one month ago) link

The idea stinks.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 18 April 2024 18:00 (one month ago) link

The last thing you want skulking around a crowded chamber floor is a stealthy FART.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 18 April 2024 18:03 (one month ago) link

Rotten, unwanted, causes upset unless expelled, gaseous, I'd say it's a good sign of self-awareness.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 April 2024 18:03 (one month ago) link

I mean, is this new or different or something? They object to every fucking thing

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 18 April 2024 18:08 (one month ago) link

not a big surprise, but Kerry Kennedy, RFK Jr.'s sister, is doing a big endorsement for Joe Biden on behalf of the Kennedy family

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Thursday, 18 April 2024 18:08 (one month ago) link

xpost Per the story, it's pretty clear that a lot of other GOP types are increasingly fed up with them, so I suspect this IS new in a sense of 'we may be getting shanked here.'

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 April 2024 18:12 (one month ago) link

Then again -- hilariously -- their majority is so small and everything so down to the wire that, as Gaetz rather correctly was quoted as saying, "Talking about changing the threshold to the motion to vacate [the speakership] is likely to induce the motion to vacate."

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 April 2024 18:13 (one month ago) link

Imagine going up to your colleagues and asking “do you want to be on the FART”

Cemetry Gaetz (DJP), Thursday, 18 April 2024 19:09 (one month ago) link

Well, I think we all know what the proper response is (either way)

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 18 April 2024 19:11 (one month ago) link

Ice Spice for Speaker

Third in line after President Swift and VP Del Rey.

nah Vice Spice all the way

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Thursday, 18 April 2024 19:26 (one month ago) link

come on right the FART
and ride it
(pew, pew)

ain't nothin but a brie thing, baby (Neanderthal), Thursday, 18 April 2024 19:54 (one month ago) link

*ride

ain't nothin but a brie thing, baby (Neanderthal), Thursday, 18 April 2024 19:54 (one month ago) link

RIGHT THE FART STOP THE STEAL

Leave the fart, take the cannoli, etc.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 April 2024 20:02 (one month ago) link

Meanwhile via WaPo, more on this whole thing:

A verbal altercation erupted on the House floor Thursday morning when Rep. Derrick Van Orden (R-Wis.) got into a heated argument, aggressively daring members of the Freedom Caucus to introduce their measure to oust Johnson and calling Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) “tubby,” according to a person who witnessed the argument. Gaetz responded by asking Van Orden if he has an I.Q. over 40, a Gaetz spokesperson said.

Van Orden was at the Jan. 6 “Save America “rally and recently reamed out high school interns for laying on the floor of the Capitol rotunda to take in the frescos.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 18 April 2024 20:44 (one month ago) link

I love the smell of GOP infighting in the morning

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 18 April 2024 20:48 (one month ago) link

incredibly, the second time the acronym FART made an appearance in conservative politics since 2018: https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-draft-bill-to-abandon-wto-rules-dubbed-the-fart-act-2018-7

ain't nothin but a brie thing, baby (Neanderthal), Thursday, 18 April 2024 20:59 (one month ago) link

It ain’t infighting you’re smelling

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Thursday, 18 April 2024 21:09 (one month ago) link

I seem to recall the Fresno Area Rapid Transit getting pretty far along in the acronym process for the sides of the buses before someone noticed

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 18 April 2024 21:14 (one month ago) link

I feel like when the campaign to name MARTA popped up, my dad was reading through a lot of the public suggestions from the newspaper and one of them was one like From Atlanta Right Through

ain't nothin but a brie thing, baby (Neanderthal), Thursday, 18 April 2024 21:16 (one month ago) link

A friend has written an interesting essay grappling with "what if Trump wins?". This is the meat of it, but there's more:

We are being sold an image of the future that comes from people who have no experience of the kind of tyranny they assure us Trump intends to inflict on us, unless it is as enthusiastic cheerleaders of the United States inflicting it on other countries. The narrative is that we will wake up the morning after the election to find jackbooted thugs roaming the streets, executing dissidents, throwing minorities into concentration camps, calling off elections, punishing political enemies with jail or death, and ignoring or overturning the law willy-nilly. We will go from zero to Hitler in the space of a single day.

The problem with this narrative isn’t that Trump isn’t a genuine authoritarian threat; he is. The problem isn’t that fascism isn’t on the rise both at home and abroad; it is. The problem isn’t even that a lot of Americans would be perfectly happy to vote a strongman into power; they are (though the Democrats have a lot less interest in actual democracy than they lay claim to). The problem is that this isn’t how fascism happens. It didn’t happen this way anywhere genuine fascism arose; it didn’t happen in Spain, it didn’t happen in Japan, it didn’t happen in Italy, and it didn’t happen in Germany, which is the one historical fascism liberals ever talk about. And it won’t happen that way here, either, no matter who wins the next election.

Those of us on the left with an actual material analysis know that the wishes of the voting public are largely irrelevant in America. While Trump is willing to push the country towards fascism, is he able? It’s a serious question, and it deserves serious thought and analysis instead of a worst-case scenario meant to do nothing but preserve an already-rotten status quo. Much more of it than most people are willing to contemplate will come down to what the people with real power — the moneymen — decide to do. They don’t really like Trump, for a number of reasons. For one thing, they can spot a phony a mile off, especially when it’s one of their own. For another, they were willing to put up with him for years as long as he was good for business and he let them operate in peace. But while light authoritarianism is generally good for business, full-blown fascism is not.

With his base shrinking and becoming more extremist — and, crucially, less likely to ally with wealthy elites — the split between the wealthy corporate interests and the less class-loyal true believers in the Republican Party becomes more pronounced. The bosses and the CEO class will have to do what they have always done in times of growing right-wing reaction: They have to make a bet on fascism being worth it. That is, they have to decide if the hassles they think Trump will spare them (taxation, labor troubles, government regulation, bad attention from the press, foreign entanglements) will outweigh the hassles Trump will cause them (widespread social unease, trade issues, mass violence that isn’t easily ignored, a lack of legal redress if things go sideways, and the constant worry that the bribed won’t stay bribed). This is particularly true if Trump — who they are canny enough to know is a world-class grudge-holder — really does intend to upend the legal system that they have so painstakingly learned to bend to their own advantage.

They have good reason to believe that Trump will become nakedly corrupt rather than merely generally well-disposed to big capital; they are listening to what he says just as much as liberals are. (Many of them are liberals themselves, of course.) They don’t relish the idea of being cut out of the sweetheart deals they rely on in favor of Trump’s chosen cronies. This isn’t a new phenomenon; capital always places these wagers when authoritarianism is on the rise, but they don’t always make the right bet. It’s hard to guess which way they’ll go, particularly now that some of the big-money operators are tech people who have become true believers to the hindrance of the bottom line.

So it’s not just a question of how, say, Clarence Thomas will roll if Trump manages to make the Supreme Court the ultimate arbiter of his presidential chances. It’s likely he’ll dance with the ones that brung him; he’s constitutionally inclined towards authoritarianism. He also won’t live much longer, certainly not long enough to face any consequences if Trump’s reign falls short of the thousand-year mark the way fascist regimes usually do. But he does have a keen sense of self-preservation, and he has to have wondered how much pull he’d really have if Trump — or a Trump-adjacent brute who takes racism a lot more seriously than he does — just decides to be done with him once and for all. We might even wonder what the people paying his bills think he should do, and if their answer differs from his own.

It’s also a question of how many disparate elements of the American machine will react if an open authoritarian wins. We are often led to assume that when such a leader comes to power, a switch labeled FASCISM gets flipped and we wake up the next morning in 1939 Berlin. But a lot of people with a lot of power — none of whom, it should go without saying, include us or, likely, anyone we know or care about — are going to have to make some tough decisions if Trump wins the presidency and his cronies try to functionally end the nominal democratic system we have in America.

He obviously can’t govern by force; we have seen the kind of people who are willing to do violence on his behalf, and they are few in number and low in competence. It is by no means certain that the military would support him wholesale; the rank and file soldiers will have lots of conflicted feelings if they are given the charge of domestic repression, particularly if — as is likely — it will be directed at Spanish-speaking populations, while the brass has seen how quickly he’s willing to sell them out if they don’t toe the line. Cops tend to like him institutionally, but our police aren’t federalized and it would take a lot of doing to make them so, which means we have a lot of unconnected, disjointed communities with no effective coordination and plenty of reasons not to take on heavier duties than just locking up more minorities than usual.

We’ve already talked about the moneymen. The church isn’t the power it used to be, and there’s a lot of uncertainty about him in those ranks as well, given the varying cultural and ethical issues in a country that has no single dominant religious sect. Trump’s constant bitching about the Deep State suggests he doesn’t have the national security apparatus entirely sewn up, and every elected official, judge, bureaucrat, and government employee will be making their own bets that he’ll both return their loyalty and never lose in a way that will make them face any consequences. The fact that judges in two states — neither of which are particularly liberal — have issued rulings finding him ineligible to run again suggests that maybe the whole country isn’t willing to sacrifice the system for the sake of one pissy old blowhard.

The only cohort he has set in stone is the exurban white bourgeois, and while they are the north star of post-war America, they may not be enough to support and maintain a mass reshaping of the way the country functions. Even a lot of elements of the Republican right want a government that basically doesn’t work, not one that’s been given the maximum of unaccountable power. None of this is to say that a worst-case-scenario Trump win wouldn’t be awful, or that it wouldn’t result in unspeakable misery, or won’t lead to something even worse; what would harm the country more — an authoritarian Trump presidency, or a military coup meant to prevent an authoritarian Trump presidency? It is only to say that the assumption that Trump’s victory is both inevitable and sure to result in an immediate fascist turn that will irrevocably disrupt American society, the American state, and the way America works is a faulty assumption that relies on the belief that it’s a lot easier to wreak massive change in this country than it is.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Thursday, 18 April 2024 22:53 (one month ago) link

He's one of those leftists whose greatest enemy is the Democratic Party, but he makes some points nonetheless.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Thursday, 18 April 2024 22:57 (one month ago) link

I agree with a lot of that but also don't see any of it as a reason to either a.) not vote, or b.) not vote for Biden, particularly in any kind of swing state. I think it's totally accurate to say that a Biden victory does not equal "good guys win." But obviously a Trump victory unequivocally means "bad guys win." We might hate that choice on principle, but it's still the choice.

Better than doing another "Bush vs. Gore: what's the difference?".

paisley got boring (Eazy), Thursday, 18 April 2024 23:10 (one month ago) link

yeah, with trump - you get miller, maybe bannon, a whole bunch true villains. Not the case with Biden

Andy the Grasshopper, Thursday, 18 April 2024 23:14 (one month ago) link

Biden has offered me way much more to vote for than Clinton did at this point.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 April 2024 00:00 (one month ago) link

Hard to overstate how rare it is for the House minority to vote to rescue an otherwise failing RULE in committee. Unheard of in modern times. Rules are typically partisan affairs tied to majority party control of the chamber. This has the hallmarks of a coalition government. https://t.co/kyxFb6HCKf

— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) April 19, 2024

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 19 April 2024 12:45 (one month ago) link

Gotta keep those guns running

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Friday, 19 April 2024 13:50 (one month ago) link

The Biden administration expanded federal protections across millions of acres of Alaskan wilderness on Friday, blocking oil, gas and mining operations in some of the most unspoiled land in the country.

The Interior Department said it would deny a permit for an industrial road that the state of Alaska had wanted to build through the Gates of the Arctic National Park and Preserve in order to reach a large copper deposit with an estimated value of $7.5 billion. It also announced it would ban drilling in more than half of the 23-million-acre National Petroleum Reserve-Alaska, an ecologically sensitive expanse north of the Arctic Circle.

Together, the two moves amount to one of biggest efforts in history to shield Alaskan land from drilling and mining. They are expected to face challenges from industry as well as from elected leaders in Alaska, where oil and gas revenues make up much of the state’s budget and where mining is a main driver of the economy.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 April 2024 15:01 (one month ago) link

Rep. Eric Burlison: “Johnson has become - his reputation, his history, his legacy, will be the Speaker who got things done with Democrats. Unfortunately, that’s a fact. I don’t even recognize the person that I once called a friend.” pic.twitter.com/NpDlptY37m

— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) April 19, 2024

pretty wild how the GOP is just openly more disposed towards hostile nations and terrorist groups than they are the Democrats

frogbs, Friday, 19 April 2024 16:38 (one month ago) link

They see Democrats as 'the enemy within the gates' instead of as their more liberal-minded neighbors.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 19 April 2024 16:56 (one month ago) link

Ol' Newt has thoughts! (I am amused at how clearly he loathes Gaetz, who is as much his descendant as anyone.)

Ned Raggett, Friday, 19 April 2024 17:37 (one month ago) link

Newt sorta 'gets' it (as far as it is possible for Newt to 'get' anything):

"He has 30 or 40 members who ideologically wake up every morning knowing that they’re gonna vote no — they’re not sure what the issue is, but they know they’re going to vote no. And then he’s got this last 30 or 40 [members] who need to do something to go on TV and send out fundraising emails, and they don’t frankly care if they screw up our party or the country, if that’s what it takes for them to be so important."

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 19 April 2024 17:46 (one month ago) link

If you are an elected official lamenting the fact that government is functioning on some level, please just go ahead and feed yourself into a meat grinder so no one else has to do it for you.

I'm so utterly sick of people responding to petulance as if it's a valid method of expression for adults to employ rather than just telling these puling pieces of shit to shut the fuck up as many times as it takes until they actually shut the fuck up. Broadening indulgence of adult babies is Trump's most pernicious legacy imo.

Great-Tasting Burger Perceptions (Old Lunch), Friday, 19 April 2024 17:51 (one month ago) link

apparently someone self immolated in front of the (Trump trial) courthouse in New York

just like Christopher Wray said (brownie), Friday, 19 April 2024 17:53 (one month ago) link

What are you going to do? Are we going to run around every day, stick your finger up in the air and see whether or not Matt Gaetz blows on it?

Thanks for this image, Newt.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 April 2024 17:54 (one month ago) link

The great love they have for each other, demonstrated.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 19 April 2024 17:58 (one month ago) link

Anna Paulina Luna says she has been told that as soon as a Motion to Vacate is brought to the floor, at least two moderate Republicans will resign immediately rather than wait until end of their term to flip the House to the Democrats. pic.twitter.com/DyXNDTXrJu

— Ron Filipkowski (@RonFilipkowski) April 19, 2024

fwiw

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Friday, 19 April 2024 18:45 (one month ago) link

Interesting form of threat to keep Gaetz, Greene & Co immobilized.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 19 April 2024 18:49 (one month ago) link

Huh

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 19 April 2024 19:17 (one month ago) link

I mean, cool, just I’ve become so numb about politics that I can’t even be that giddy about this

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 19 April 2024 19:17 (one month ago) link

I'm pretty happy with it, people are finally starting to call bluff on these losers

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Friday, 19 April 2024 19:56 (one month ago) link

Eh, I don’t believe it but tbh I think a lot of GOP reps prefer being in the minority, and will be like “don’t threaten me with a good time”

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 19 April 2024 20:13 (one month ago) link

Guy who set himself on fire wrote a lengthy substack that starts off pretty good (crypto is a ponzi scheme, Theil is a shit) and then starts to nosedive pretty quickly once he gets to Kitty Dukakis. By the time he starts enumerating Simpsons episodes and making HOmer and Marge complicit, you simply have to applaud his manic energy.

https://theponzipapers.substack.com/p/i-have-set-myself-on-fire-outside

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 19 April 2024 20:21 (one month ago) link

Dipshit Secrets of our Rotten World for May thread title

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Friday, 19 April 2024 20:38 (one month ago) link

i always feel bad for these secret conspiracy people. but they also bug the hell out of me. the united states military goes into the middle east FOR NO REASON OTHER THAN REVENGE and commits wholesale slaughter for 20 years killing....who knows how many people? a million? more? nobody will ever know. destroys entire regions with bombs, missiles, seriously toxic shit. but people are always looking for a *secret* plan to destroy the world!
its a little maddening.

scott seward, Friday, 19 April 2024 22:20 (one month ago) link

or, you know, pick your own example of extremely shady and hateful shit that big governments do right out in public. i've been reading about what china is doing in africa and there is a whole world of hurt there.

scott seward, Friday, 19 April 2024 22:24 (one month ago) link

this is the latest horror show that i have read about. china needs millions of donkey hides every year for their donkey gelatin trade. it is causing problems around the world. who needs peter theil and lisa simpson?

https://www.reuters.com/graphics/AFRICA-CHINA/DONKEYS/xmpjrdgbxpr/

scott seward, Friday, 19 April 2024 22:30 (one month ago) link

Did not expect “Bill Clinton blackmailed Rob Lowe”….

paisley got boring (Eazy), Friday, 19 April 2024 22:34 (one month ago) link

The Mena connection!

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 19 April 2024 22:51 (one month ago) link

A VW plant in Chattanooga, Tennessee just voted 73-27 to join the UAW. A Mercedes plant in Alabama is up next.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Saturday, 20 April 2024 04:43 (one month ago) link

a big fuckin' deal

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 April 2024 09:11 (one month ago) link

Tennessee Republicans have been terrified of that plant organizing ever since VW opened it. It’s a huge win for the UAW and for labor more broadly here.

And yeah that Bouie column is great, connects lots of dots. It’s so important to understand slavery and segregation in the context of labor rights, people tend so much to see them in terms of just racism — but the racism was all about economics obv.

Here's where I recommend a Katznelson's Fear Itself: The New Deal and the Origins of Our Time, a fantastic analysis of the compromises FDR had to cut with the Solid Racist South to keep the New Deal.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 April 2024 12:58 (one month ago) link

*Ira

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 April 2024 12:58 (one month ago) link

It’s so important to understand slavery and segregation in the context of labor rights, people tend so much to see them in terms of just racism — but the racism was all about economics obv.

I would replace that “all” with “also”

Cemetry Gaetz (DJP), Saturday, 20 April 2024 14:17 (one month ago) link

i been meaning to read that katznelson book forever- thx for reminder. i almost feel like i’ve read it i’ve been so exposed to extracts or cites

schrodingers cat was always cool (Hunt3r), Saturday, 20 April 2024 15:12 (one month ago) link

yeah it's become the touchstone for this area of research even though it's only 11 years old

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 April 2024 15:12 (one month ago) link

Thanks for that book recommendation

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 20 April 2024 15:16 (one month ago) link

An excerpt.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 April 2024 15:18 (one month ago) link

Meantime in House roffles today per WaPo:

If you’ve been watching the debate on the House floor today, you probably haven’t seen any far-right members present their perspective against the plan presented by Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.). That’s by design.

According to several Republicans, those members have been prevented from receiving “floor time” to speak because of overwhelming opposition from the conference.

These members have been consistent in their opposition, and it has irritated many Republicans who, while they respect their opinions, are upset they blocked debate and prevent regular order. Others are mad that these members are on the wrong side of history and don’t want them to dominate the debate on serious matters.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 20 April 2024 15:36 (one month ago) link

A lovely piece on the late Bob Graham:

Lots of politicians talk about “the dignity of work.” Not so many back it up by picking tomatoes and shoveling manure.

Graham always put in a full day on whatever job he was doing, and his genuine respect for his co-workers and their craft comes across on every page. He spent his day at the nursing home feeding and bathing patients and changing their soiled bedsheets with Johnny Denton, “a 33-year-old Black man of Santa Claus shape and ebullience” who earned $2.45 an hour. He was clearly moved by Denton’s dedication to his patients, by his belief that “these old folks must be good, because God let them live so long,” by the care he took to fold the seams in the sheets under the bed so nobody would get sores.

The first part of this excerpt has become political boilerplate; the second part widened my eyes:

You don’t have to be fascinated by people to be effective in the political arena, but it helps. I happen to believe, and I’m not alone, that Al Gore could have won Florida and changed history in 2000 if he had chosen Graham as his running mate. I also believe, and on this I may be alone, that if Graham hadn’t suffered some heart issues in 2003, he might have beaten John Kerry for the Democratic nomination and ousted George W. Bush. He was a centrist swing-state Intelligence Committee chair who opposed the war in Iraq on the grounds that it was crippling the war on terror.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 20 April 2024 15:38 (one month ago) link

I would replace that “all” with “also”

Sure, it’s impossible to disentangle racism from economics, but I think most historians of slavery agree that the South’s complex racial order was devised to serve its economic interests rather than the other way around. Slavery was primarily an economic model — and when it was abolished, the white supremacist economic order was maintained through continued disenfranchisement that preserved an economic hierarchy with a built-in class of cheap labor.

I just think that emphasis is really important as part of pushing back on the conservative narrative that, to whatever degree racism ever existed in America, it was primarily a matter of individual prejudice rather than a calculated system for economic exploitation.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/20/trump-trial-presidential-campaign-costs-00153446

“To his supporters, part of Trump’s appeal as a politician has always been the show he puts on. And in that respect, the court spectacle was not a total loser for him. He drew nearly nonstop press, as cameras and reporters chronicled his every step to and from the courthouse. News coverage of Trump and his trial easily surpassed that of Biden and his campaign stops this week.

But another part of Trump’s strength has traditionally been the impression that he was in command, performing on his own terms. What became obvious in New York this week was that is no longer the case, with Trump confined to the courtroom and, on trial days, campaign events restricted to New York and its environs. At a minimum, that is limiting Trump’s ability to respond to the unfolding presidential campaign.”

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 20 April 2024 17:32 (one month ago) link

🔥 @RepTonyGonzales on CNN SOTU: “It's my absolute honor to be in Congress but I serve with some real scumbags. Look, Matt Gaetz — he paid minors to have sex with him at drug parties. Bob Good endorsed my opponent, a known neo-Nazi. These people used to walk around with white…

— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) April 21, 2024

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Sunday, 21 April 2024 18:15 (one month ago) link

rep gonzales is a republican from san antonio and used to have a dogfight toss-up district before the 2021 redistricting that turned it into a p safe gop seat

polyamerie "it's more than this 1 thing" (m bison), Sunday, 21 April 2024 18:28 (one month ago) link

It’s all breaking open, isn’t it?

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Sunday, 21 April 2024 18:33 (one month ago) link

Can anyone explain why the MTG Johnson stuff in a way that makes sense? Whats different about the Ukraine funding from 2 months ago that prompted Johnson to change his mind.

anvil, Sunday, 21 April 2024 18:43 (one month ago) link

I think he realized he doesn't want to be the person who causes Ukraine to lose the war. Also, they had been insisting that Ukraine aid had to go hand-in-hand with a border bill, but then they tanked the border bill, now they can't make that same play again.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Sunday, 21 April 2024 18:50 (one month ago) link

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/21/politics/ukraine-aid-mike-johnson-house-speaker-israel-taiwan/index.html

fwiw:

And more recently, Johnson received a key intelligence briefing from CIA Director Bill Burns, who painted a picture of the dire situation on the battlefield in Ukraine and the global consequences of inaction, according to multiple sources with knowledge of the situation. The briefing left a lasting impression, and Johnson became increasingly convinced the fate of Western democracy was on his shoulders, sources close to him said.

Another factor that sources say weighed heavily on his decision-making: Johnson’s oldest son was recently accepted into the Naval Academy.

“To put it bluntly, I would rather send bullets to Ukraine than American boys. My son is going to begin in the Naval Academy this fall. This is a live-fire exercise for me as it is so many American families,” Johnson told reporters. “This is not a game, this is not a joke.”

symsymsym, Sunday, 21 April 2024 18:57 (one month ago) link

It feels like that sort of makes sense but not quite enough, presumably he also knew two months ago about his son applying to the naval academy, and it feels weird that he didn't get a briefing from Burns earlier too. I can't tell what it is that is true today but not true two months ago (also is Trump kind of going easy on Johnson or is that a misreading?)

Will Massey/Greene go after him now as threatened, seems like maybe not after all?

anvil, Sunday, 21 April 2024 19:04 (one month ago) link

must be tough to live in a world where nothing ever makes sense to you

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Sunday, 21 April 2024 19:11 (one month ago) link

He may also be getting reassurances that the Dems will save him if his speakership is in danger.

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Sunday, 21 April 2024 19:12 (one month ago) link

That makes sense but wouldn't they have also given those reassurances two months ago too? (if he agreed to greenlight Ukraine)

anvil, Sunday, 21 April 2024 19:18 (one month ago) link

greene will still go after him but I think Johnson believes dems will help save his position and/or he doesn't care at this point and he made what he believes to be a principled stand

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Sunday, 21 April 2024 19:19 (one month ago) link

wouldn't they have also given those reassurances two months ago too

i admit to not following Ukraine very closely anymore but I think things have gotten worse there in the past two months.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Sunday, 21 April 2024 19:19 (one month ago) link

They've been very bad. This will absolutely help.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 21 April 2024 19:27 (one month ago) link

Things have certainly deteriorated in the last two months, and a relatively significant factor in that has been the holdup in funding. I feel like the Democrats were cogniscent of this at the time, and certainly Burns would have been, and would have given Johnson assurances early doors and not waited this long

anvil, Sunday, 21 April 2024 19:29 (one month ago) link

Whatever the other reasons/excuses/details Johnson's been giving about finally acting -- he's at least said the equivalent of "I didn't know anywhere near as much then as I do now" a few times -- it's worth noting that an effective backchannel has apparently been a number of his general evangelical cohort, both American and Ukrainian, telling him directly "Yeah the Russians have been fucking us up over there BIG time." (Which they have been.)

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 21 April 2024 19:30 (one month ago) link

Basically, become third in line to the presidency, learn a lot more about what's happening at the top of government then you knew being some backseat rando, who could have guessed!

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 21 April 2024 19:32 (one month ago) link

He's been using Mitch McConnell's "axis of evil" rhetoric for months about Russia-Iran-China being an existential threat, he's got some neocon in him (with bonus evangelical apocalyptic flavoring). So, the Ukraine funding seems like a good step but it's still part of a terrible worldview.

Oh I'm not thrilled about him at all, but any port in a storm here.

Ned Raggett, Sunday, 21 April 2024 19:47 (one month ago) link

I have to say that the fashies have one thing right and that is that funding the war in Ukraine is fucking bogus, the left just has different reasons for not wanting to fund it

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Sunday, 21 April 2024 23:04 (one month ago) link

you'd rather NATO war?

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Sunday, 21 April 2024 23:12 (one month ago) link

I am thoroughly unconvinced that a war that needs to be won for the cause of Western Ukrainian ultranationalist fascists is one that is worth fighting, and no amount of western handwringing about Russia will change my mind about that.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Sunday, 21 April 2024 23:36 (one month ago) link

huh.

c u (crüt), Sunday, 21 April 2024 23:41 (one month ago) link

OK then.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Sunday, 21 April 2024 23:42 (one month ago) link

yeah, the neo-Nazi problem in Ukraine is real, and the Iraq War was the last and most devastating blow to my sense that the United States needs extracurricular adventures; but it's generally, I think, not a good idea to allow the even worse Putin regime a foothold in Eastern Europe. I mildly support the funding because as yet we've committed no U.S. armed forces, but I'm willing to have my minds changed.

Also, generally speaking, fashes aligning with international fashes doesn't sit right with me.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 21 April 2024 23:44 (one month ago) link

also: any kind of Orbán-Putin alliance would have severe repercussions on our domestic policy, no question.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 21 April 2024 23:47 (one month ago) link

otm

Dan S, Sunday, 21 April 2024 23:52 (one month ago) link

yah as a pragmatic anarchist I'm with Alfred here, reluctantly, and ftr I opposed the Kosovo intervention in the late 90s.

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Monday, 22 April 2024 00:50 (one month ago) link

a war that needs to be won for the cause of Western Ukrainian ultranationalist fascists

weird how so many fashies are on the other side

symsymsym, Monday, 22 April 2024 00:58 (one month ago) link

Not sure what that’s supposed to mean

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Monday, 22 April 2024 01:42 (one month ago) link

Whats the situation with the funding now, or likely roadmap? ie how much time does this actually buy Ukraine?
Presuming the situation post-election is unknowable

And do MTG and/or Massey still have cards to play re:Johnson and carrying out the threat?

anvil, Monday, 22 April 2024 02:10 (one month ago) link

Lol @ how the targets will be missed no matter what.

What's at stake for our climate in this November's elections?

Absolutely everything. https://t.co/mnBjVGTlzR pic.twitter.com/mzpsSrJiPr

— Hillary Clinton (@HillaryClinton) April 22, 2024

xyzzzz__, Monday, 22 April 2024 16:28 (one month ago) link

"I am thoroughly unconvinced that a war that needs to be won for the cause of Western Ukrainian ultranationalist fascists is one that is worth fighting"

my kid said the same thing to me. he's also very pro-palestine/anti-israel/israel shouldn't exist/etc like lots of his kids his age. i didn't know that ukraine = nazis was even a thing but i don't go on tiktok or X where a lot of kids get their news.

scott seward, Monday, 22 April 2024 16:34 (one month ago) link

On one hand yes there are Ukrainian far-right nationalists, it’s true. But also every right- and left-wing media space has been packed full of Russian propagandists spreading that line, so it’s not like it’s exactly just bubbled up through people “doing their own research.”

And I'll repeat: allowing an even more powerful and militarily unassailable Putin in cahoots with Orbán to give overs to American conservative sycophants in Congress strikes me as a bad idea.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 April 2024 16:49 (one month ago) link

*orders

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 April 2024 16:50 (one month ago) link

yeah, i mean, i know my kid does not read magazines, newspapers, or watch the news. its all tiktok/X.

scott seward, Monday, 22 April 2024 16:50 (one month ago) link

which scares me but what are ya gonna do? they have to find their own truth. i just tell them to read read read. that's all i can do.

scott seward, Monday, 22 April 2024 16:51 (one month ago) link

and you can't tell them to look out for memebots and phony headlines because of course THEY would never fall for stuff like that...

scott seward, Monday, 22 April 2024 16:56 (one month ago) link

to think, the only BS rumors we obsessed over growing up is whether Mountain Dew decreased your sperm count, or whether KFC was actually growing headless chickens

ain't nothin but a brie thing, baby (Neanderthal), Monday, 22 April 2024 16:58 (one month ago) link

and pop rocks would kill ya.

scott seward, Monday, 22 April 2024 17:05 (one month ago) link

Don't forget the gay-panic rumors about Rod Stewart and Richard Gere.

hell, I panicked for the sake of the poor gerbil

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 April 2024 17:06 (one month ago) link

i still get e-mails from my kids old middle school and i just got one showing concern about the kindergarten class chanting anti-israel slogans and from the ocean to the sea type things. a pocket full of posies indeed!

scott seward, Monday, 22 April 2024 17:09 (one month ago) link

Libs of Kidz Bop

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Monday, 22 April 2024 17:14 (one month ago) link

feel like Biden should mention this guy more

pic.twitter.com/irro9nVWm3

— Robert F. Kennedy Jr (@RobertKennedyJr) April 22, 2024

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 22 April 2024 17:29 (one month ago) link

feel like Biden should mention this guy more

Why? Every poll indicates that he's siphoning votes away from Trump. Better to just let him pinwheel across the landscape until the final humiliating meltdown.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Monday, 22 April 2024 17:34 (one month ago) link

does every Kennedy get spasmodic dysphonia - still up for grabs as a death metal name just saying... - when they get older? is it like a family curse or something? reminds me of diane rehm. #NPR #onethread

scott seward, Monday, 22 April 2024 17:41 (one month ago) link

i don't actually know if he has that. or if his sister who sounds like him has. or other old kennedys i have heard had that... they sure do get creaky though.

scott seward, Monday, 22 April 2024 17:43 (one month ago) link

xpost Hard to tell. They usually don't live long enough.

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Monday, 22 April 2024 17:43 (one month ago) link

lol

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Monday, 22 April 2024 17:45 (one month ago) link

MSNBC chyron: "Trump worried about Pecker leaking"

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Monday, 22 April 2024 17:46 (one month ago) link

eunice shriver still my favorite stephen king villain by the way.

https://www.irishcentral.com/uploads/article/125653/eunice_kennedy_shriver___getty.jpg?t=1562758914

scott seward, Monday, 22 April 2024 17:49 (one month ago) link

xp to myself - I knew it was too good to be true

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/msnbc-pecker-chyron/

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Monday, 22 April 2024 18:07 (one month ago) link

Why? Every poll indicates that he's siphoning votes away from Trump. Better to just let him pinwheel across the landscape until the final humiliating meltdown.

you missed my point. Biden should mention him more to siphon more votes way from trump.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 22 April 2024 18:18 (one month ago) link

Getting into the quality of internal Ukraine factions is completely unnecessary IMO and just opens criticism of US involvement to claims of simping for Putin. Neo-Nazis bad Putin bad invasions bad.

The problem with pumping more weapons into Ukraine is that we’re prolonging an unwinnable proxy war, feeding people into a meat grinder for our own ends but rapping Ukraine’s knuckles when they go after energy infrastructure in an election year.

Upthread someone mockingly said Putin believes the US was behind Maidan and I mean… it’s not a secret that we were using Ukraine as a staging point for spying on Russia for years.

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 22 April 2024 18:19 (one month ago) link

xxp i.e. Biden should run "Kennedy is a dangerous pro-gun anti-goverment radical" adverts in trumpy media markets in swing states.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 22 April 2024 18:22 (one month ago) link

CW is that you leave the attack stuff to independent PACs.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 22 April 2024 18:46 (one month ago) link

milo, I agree with you, but I'm not a simp for Putin, and people can insult me that way if they want— nearly all of my Russian friends have left the country because they're queer and they've found asylum elsewhere. I'm not a fan of Putin.

Also, scott, with all respect, I'm not your kid, I'm a 39 year-old leftist who disagrees with a lot of people on here about politics and tHe nEeD tO pReSeRVe NATO and western hegemony in eastern Europe.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Monday, 22 April 2024 19:03 (one month ago) link

eh, details.

“Kennedy is antivax” is a great advert.

https://bsky.app/profile/mtsw.bsky.social/post/3kqqk4uauol2c

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 22 April 2024 19:04 (one month ago) link

I disagree with both Milo and The table is the table on this issue, but I prefer not to insult or make insinuations about anybody supporting Putin, which I think is a mistake.

I think collectively we're losing the ability to have people with different viewpoints in the same spaces, which can lead to a form of circling the wagons and self-selection, which ultimately just increases polarization. I think we all need to hear opinions with which we disagree. Opinions aren't, or at least shouldn't be considered as immutable

anvil, Monday, 22 April 2024 19:14 (one month ago) link

I have no problem with hearing opinions different from my own, but I also reserve the right to argue with people about how RONG their opinions are :-)

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Monday, 22 April 2024 19:18 (one month ago) link

I think collectively we're losing the ability to have people with different viewpoints in the same spaces, which can lead to a form of circling the wagons and self-selection, which ultimately just increases polarization. I think we all need to hear opinions with which we disagree. Opinions aren't, or at least shouldn't be considered as immutable

Who's "we"? I share spaces with people with whose opinions I disagree all day long, ILX included. (ILM especially, where people trumpet their terrible taste in art in the most hyperbolic language they can muster, but ILE too, where people are militantly full of shit all day long.)

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Monday, 22 April 2024 19:24 (one month ago) link

i'm sorry i know you aren't my kid i was just shocked that that was their reaction to the war. ukraine is corrupt + nazis. it sounded like a defense of russia. i just hadn't heard that and then i heard it a lot from younger folks/online stuff. it felt like it came out of nowhere and i wasn't hearing any sympathy for the people of ukraine. hell, i wasn't hearing any sympathy for any of the young russian people being dragged onto battlefields to die by the russian military. the whole thing just seems terrible. but i didn't know there were non-russian people who weren't sympathetic to ukraine. now of course i do.

x-post

scott seward, Monday, 22 April 2024 19:27 (one month ago) link

xpost must be lonely to be so right

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Monday, 22 April 2024 19:27 (one month ago) link

xpost must be lonely to be so right

I just tell myself that you'll all come around eventually.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Monday, 22 April 2024 19:33 (one month ago) link

scott, I have a ton of empathy for the people of Ukraine and for the people of Russia, particularly the young men being used as cannon fodder by a craven lunatic like Putin. But I also have read enough about the conflict to be pretty firm in my stance that Ukraine is being used as a proxy for western European economic interests, and the Nazi shit— just look up Stepan Bandera and the cult around him in Ukraine— sort of seals the deal for me. What we have is essentially two ultranationalist forces fighting each other other, and I am against them both.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Monday, 22 April 2024 19:53 (one month ago) link

well sheesh now it just seems hopeless. is there any solution/answer to all the horribleness?

scott seward, Monday, 22 April 2024 19:58 (one month ago) link

I wonder if sending more guns will help?

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Monday, 22 April 2024 20:01 (one month ago) link

well, yes, it might, is the thing

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Monday, 22 April 2024 20:09 (one month ago) link

sadly I am with silby here, not quite ready to subscribe to milo's nihilism

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Monday, 22 April 2024 20:20 (one month ago) link

as a cold hearted net calculation, the Ukraine fascists will have a better regime for humanity overall than the Russian fascists, lol this is the same reason I vote for Democrats

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Monday, 22 April 2024 20:22 (one month ago) link

And does Ukraine have territorial ambitions?

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 22 April 2024 20:24 (one month ago) link

i didn't know there were non-russian people who weren't sympathetic to ukraine. now of course i do.

I think everyone is sympathetic to the people of Ukraine. People have different opinions about what they will think will happen next with different courses of action, or what will or won't help, and navigating that difference of opinion can be difficult but I don't think anyone thinks they deserve what is happening to them

anvil, Monday, 22 April 2024 20:28 (one month ago) link

yeah, anyone who thinks they are all Nazis is taking in seriously damaged info

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Monday, 22 April 2024 20:32 (one month ago) link

the Jewish president of Ukraine probably isn't for example

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Monday, 22 April 2024 20:33 (one month ago) link

C'mon guys, 'corrupt + Nazis' is a lot of places.

nashwan, Monday, 22 April 2024 20:51 (one month ago) link

white nationalists basically run Texas so I'm a little nonplussed to see that being used a reason to let Ukraine fall to the wolves

the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Monday, 22 April 2024 20:53 (one month ago) link

Putin can have Texas if he can make it over here.

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Monday, 22 April 2024 20:56 (one month ago) link

lol the infamous nihilism of 'proxy wars are bad' and 'I would prefer that we not feed human bodies into the sausage maker'

Ukraine is at best a stalemate that will see tens of thousands more people killed in the near future without any realistic chance of the Ukrainian military pushing Russia back. Our government is happy to sacrifice more Ukrainians for the chance to continue bleeding Russia economically (but not too much, see knuckle rapping for targeting energy infrastructure) and of international support.

If US involvement in Ukraine is a moral necessity and if the goal is to return Ukraine to even its post-Crimean Invasion borders, shouldn't we be putting boots on the ground and planes in the air in order to actually accomplish that?

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 22 April 2024 21:06 (one month ago) link

Today's "LOL this fucking asshole" update:

RFK Jr.: 'I'm gonna put the entire US budget on blockchain'

Independent presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr. said he wants to put the “U.S. budget on blockchain,” a ledger of transactions typically associated with bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies.

“I’m going to put the entire U.S. budget on blockchain so that any American — every American can look at every budget item in the entire budget anytime they want 24 hours a day,” Kennedy said Sunday during a rally in Michigan.

The public accounting of spending would theoretically allow more transparency and accountability into how the government spends taxpayer dollars, although getting every government transaction onto the blockchain would be a Herculean task.

Federal spending is also controlled through legislation, which is available to the public, and federal departments are often audited by government watchdogs such as the Government Accountability Office and their own inspectors general.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Monday, 22 April 2024 21:12 (one month ago) link

Man's running a 2020 campaign, he should have promised to put an AI in charge of the federal budget.

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 22 April 2024 21:19 (one month ago) link

sure, because all Americans know how to read blockchains

ain't nothin but a brie thing, baby (Neanderthal), Monday, 22 April 2024 21:19 (one month ago) link

Love how support for Ukraine means “seeing as many Ukrainian men die as possible so that Western Europe can continue mining the east for resources”

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Monday, 22 April 2024 21:22 (one month ago) link

If US involvement in Ukraine is a moral necessity and if the goal is to return Ukraine to even its post-Crimean Invasion borders, shouldn't we be putting boots on the ground and planes in the air in order to actually accomplish that?

― papal hotwife (milo z)

yes

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Monday, 22 April 2024 21:24 (one month ago) link

Oooh, get an AI to audit the federal reserve on the blockhain. Throw in some thinly veiled race science and you can lasso in all of the worst people in the country at once (and then we can ship them off to a FEMA camp).

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 22 April 2024 21:24 (one month ago) link

Love how support for Ukraine means “seeing as many Ukrainian men die as possible so that Western Europe can continue mining the east for resources”

While you may or may not be correct in that assessment its unlikely supporters of aid to Ukraine see it that way, and I think there's a danger of falling into the same trap as those who accuse people who prefer not to send aid to Ukraine as being closet Putin supporters. I think these types of characterisations are mostly counter-productive and contribute towards polarization

anvil, Monday, 22 April 2024 21:28 (one month ago) link

Fwiw in both cases I don't think there's any merit to those characterisations

anvil, Monday, 22 April 2024 21:29 (one month ago) link

imagine the tweetstorms from people who misread the data on the blockchain

"WE'RE 3.87 GIGATRILLION IN DEBT. HERE'S WHAT THAT MEANS, AND HOW MANY DOGE THE GOVERNMENT WILL NEED TO SELL TO REDUCE THE DEFICIT"

ain't nothin but a brie thing, baby (Neanderthal), Monday, 22 April 2024 21:41 (one month ago) link

RFK, Jr, 2028 - Buy the dip!

ain't nothin but a brie thing, baby (Neanderthal), Monday, 22 April 2024 21:41 (one month ago) link

I know it sucks that Ukraine doesn’t want to be ruled by Russia

Are you addicted to struggling with your horse? (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 22 April 2024 21:57 (one month ago) link

Taking a hopefully good faith (tho still bleak af) approach to this argument here but cutting support is hardly game over...likely tens of thousands of deaths in the next few years either way, probably at a much slower rate than in Palestine and a couple of areas in Africa.

nashwan, Monday, 22 April 2024 22:25 (one month ago) link

If you stop sending weapons that doesn't mean you pretend Eastern Europe doesn't exist. You could work on brokering a ceasefire or peace deal.

That would not re-establish Ukraine's pre-2022 or pre-2014 territory but that's not happening anyway (absent an actual NATO intervention and probably not even then) but it might stop years of needless slaughter until the west gets bored or Ukraine runs out of bodies for the grinder. If the people of Ukraine don't want a ceasefire or peace deal, that is their right - the various insurgencies that have kicked our ass for 60 years can send them some good advisors - but we don't have to prolong it while it serves our desires and aims.

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 22 April 2024 23:02 (one month ago) link

I guarantee RFK doesn't even know what a blockchain is

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, 22 April 2024 23:05 (one month ago) link

sunlight on government spending is an admirable goal but it can be done without resorting to blockchain

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Monday, 22 April 2024 23:05 (one month ago) link

How many apes can you get for a trillion dollars?

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Monday, 22 April 2024 23:14 (one month ago) link

221, but I'll cut you a deal and throw in another 100

A Rep can use two slurp juices to automatically pass one pork barrel project for their district.

papal hotwife (milo z), Monday, 22 April 2024 23:52 (one month ago) link

Ukraine is at best a stalemate that will see tens of thousands more people killed in the near future Our government is happy to sacrifice more Ukrainians for the chance to continue bleeding Russia economically (but not too much, see knuckle rapping for targeting energy infrastructure) and of international support.
?


Part of Putin’s strategy is to continue bleeding the US economically in order to destabilize the political equilibrium… just idk something to consider

sarahell, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 01:16 (one month ago) link

A Rep can use two slurp juices to automatically pass one pork barrel project for their district.

― papal hotwife (milo z)

USA has gone down hill since they clamped down on earmarks! Bring back $2 billion post offices in shitty towns

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 01:18 (one month ago) link

xp when did Putin become the Fed Chairman?

Dedollarization would certainly destabilize the US economy and political system (even more than we already do on our own) but similar to the eye rolling about Putin’s delusions about the CIA on his doorstep, that urge doesn’t come out of nowhere or require a deranged fascist ideology.

papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 01:26 (one month ago) link

xp Good idea. Passing legislation used to be a matter of making sure everyone with any seniority could wet their beak when the budget bills were finalized. It was how the sausage got made. Now Congress can't even pass a transportation bill without the threat of a government shutdown or the speaker being deposed.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 01:31 (one month ago) link

Returning to the question of what happens next

a) How much time does this actually buy Ukraine? When is the next time that will all happen again?
b) Are MTG/Massey able/willing to follow through on threats against Johnson and is there a window of opportunity on that or its open ended

anvil, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 02:22 (one month ago) link

xp when did Putin become the Fed Chairman?

Dedollarization would certainly destabilize the US economy and political system (even more than we already do on our own) but similar to the eye rolling about Putin’s delusions about the CIA on his doorstep, that urge doesn’t come out of nowhere or require a deranged fascist ideology.


Lol this has nothing to do with the Fed and is related to the old Leninist concept of vanguardism and creating the conditions for proletarian uprising… of course Putin doesn’t think that the US proles will become comrades, but there will be enough conflict to weaken the US government… it is similar to how sanctions are used, and tactics that both the US and Soviets used on proxy countries during the cold war.

But basically, when I sit here in my US city that has almost all the negative consequences of bad US history/policy (racism, the carceral state, the war on drugs, no real social safety net, crumbling infrastructure, etc) … the thought of all that money that theoretically could be used HERE … the isolationist impulse grows … so my thought would be to also do major domestic spending on programs to reduce poverty and suffering in the US.

sarahell, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 02:40 (one month ago) link

At the very least something like adjusting the maximum deduction for student loan interest to inflation (it has not been raised in over 20 years) and removing the marriage penalty from that deduction (a married couple has the same maximum deduction as a single person)…

sarahell, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 02:45 (one month ago) link

I have absolutely no idea what that vanguardist line is supposed to mean. Putin is secretly pulling the strings of revolutionary MAGA cadres? God knows white nationalism and reactionary politics were unknown to Americans…

papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 02:51 (one month ago) link

Putin is secretly pulling the strings of revolutionary MAGA cadres?

This was my idea for a remake of Red Dawn a few years ago, with a bunch of Russian ops infiltrating and training American right-wing militias.

This is interesting; it comes from Heather Cox Richardson's Substack:

Today, on Earth Day, Biden also honored the idea of a government that works for the people when he spoke at the Prince William Forest Park in Triangle, Virginia, a national park developed in the 1930s by the government’s Works Progress Administration under the New Deal.

Biden called attention to the country’s historic investment in addressing climate change under his administration. He noted that that investment has created a clean-energy manufacturing boom that has attracted hundreds of billions of dollars in private-sector investment and created more than 270,000 new jobs.

In Virginia, Biden announced $7 billion in federal grants for solar projects for more than 900,000 low- and middle-income households, saying those projects would save those households about $400 a year annually, more than $350 million total. The projects will also create nearly 200,000 jobs.

Biden also announced the launch of the website to apply to join the American Climate Corps (ACC), an initiative modeled after New Deal president Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s Civilian Conservation Corps (CCC). Over its nine-year existence, the CCC employed more than three million young men improving the nation’s public lands, forests, and parks, many of whom earned their high school diplomas thanks to the educational opportunities connected to the program.

When the administration unveiled the American Climate Corps program last year, more than 42,000 young people expressed interest within weeks. The first ACC jobs will start in June. Beginning this summer, ACC members will have access to training in trades, thanks to a partnership between the program and the North America’s Building Trades Unions’ nonprofit partner TradesFutures.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 03:37 (one month ago) link

I have absolutely no idea what that vanguardist line is supposed to mean. Putin is secretly pulling the strings of revolutionary MAGA cadres? God knows white nationalism and reactionary politics were unknown to Americans…


He certainly made DT his pawn … the election interference… I mean seriously, the Cold War featured so many petty dirty tricks and shit-stirring… it’s an old game that Putin grew up with

sarahell, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 03:49 (one month ago) link

That is one positive thing about Biden … he was around for the Cold War and is familiar with the games

sarahell, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 03:52 (one month ago) link

Putin was a minor KGB functionary, not exactly Karla.

papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 04:15 (one month ago) link

xpost “the thought of all that money that theoretically could be used HERE”

lies, damnable lies, and theoreticallies, as i recall

schrodingers cat was always cool (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 04:17 (one month ago) link

Putin is secretly pulling the strings of revolutionary MAGA cadres?

How else would you explain MAGA support for Russia and please show your work

a (waterface), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 12:02 (one month ago) link

"pulling the strings" here is code for "funding fifth columnists who shit out content on Twitter all day"

a (waterface), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 12:03 (one month ago) link

Putin was a minor KGB functionary, not exactly Karla.


Putin is the dictator of Russia and has even more power than Karla, and Karla rose up through the ranks as did Putin …

sarahell, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 12:08 (one month ago) link

that the money could be used here also passes my mind.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 12:36 (one month ago) link

Think of the tax cuts we could have had

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 13:27 (one month ago) link

Foreign aid is peanuts compared to the overall bloated military budget
Israel should absolutely be cut off from our largesse

Are you addicted to struggling with your horse? (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 13:33 (one month ago) link

Israel should absolutely be cut off from our largesse

Now we're talking

anvil, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 13:38 (one month ago) link

otm

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 13:39 (one month ago) link

If our government could agree on investing that same amount of money domestically, they just would, regardless of whether this money goes to Ukraine. This is not what’s stopping us.

epistantophus, Tuesday, 23 April 2024 13:40 (one month ago) link

Yeah I mean come on the US government can make more money for almost free that’s the famous thing about it

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 15:23 (one month ago) link

How else would you explain MAGA support for Russia and please show your work

"Why are a bunch of reactionary nationalists, supporters of a reactionary nationalist wannabe straongman excited by a reactionary nationalist actual strongman?"

I dunno man, it's really hard to wrap my mind around this.

papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 19:09 (one month ago) link

This fuckin guy

As an alumnus of Harvard, and after this mad season of antisemitism at Columbia, I co-sign.

This former Governor of Massachusetts doesn't need a paycheck, but Harvard and its academic peers needs to recalibrate from far-left orthodoxy. pic.twitter.com/eaT0F5VaiR

— Senator John Fetterman (@SenFettermanPA) April 22, 2024

papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 21:58 (one month ago) link

He should start getting fashion tips from Sinema.

papal hotwife (milo z), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 21:59 (one month ago) link

Mitt? Some of Kyrsten's outfit choices might clash with the Garment.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 22:08 (one month ago) link

Fetterman is such a piece of shit

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Tuesday, 23 April 2024 22:28 (one month ago) link

Senator Thom Tillis on Marjorie Taylor Greene: I think she’s uninformed, she is a total waste of time. She is a horrible leader. She is dragging our brand down… pic.twitter.com/CoUAoWO5gK

— Acyn (@Acyn) April 23, 2024

looks like the GOP is really starting to turn on MTG. possibly because her motion to vacate would be a total disaster for the GOP and might actually result in them losing the house via sudden retirements. but it also seems like they may be getting some internal data that the lunatic fringe is really unpopular now.

frogbs, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 14:24 (one month ago) link

Have we talked about the Tik Tok bill? Real "this country is a fucking joke" shit

rob, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 14:30 (one month ago) link

Good line by Biden. Open ridicule is absolutely the way to go.

Wow. Biden in Tampa on Trump: "He said there has to be punishment for women exercising their reproductive freedom ... maybe it's coming from that bible he's trying to sell. I almost wanted to buy one just to see what the hell is in it." pic.twitter.com/DbBkOI5lWH

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) April 23, 2024

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 14:44 (one month ago) link

Biden knows all about reproductive freedom since he became pro-choice in 2019.

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 14:53 (one month ago) link

Good thing it happened before he appointed all those judges, huh?

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 14:58 (one month ago) link

I keep thinking about how Biden is inexplicably the best president of my (shortish) lifetime and it’s not close, frustrating.

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 15:32 (one month ago) link

looks like the GOP is really starting to turn on MTG

Doesn't look like she has Trumps backing either, pretty muted on Johnson, even lightly praising him

anvil, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 15:36 (one month ago) link

I keep thinking about how Biden is inexplicably the best president of my (shortish) lifetime and it’s not close, frustrating.

I have seen this kid sports movie. The dork whom no one ever wanted on the team, but who just kept showing up, until all other options were exhausted, wins the game.

alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 15:43 (one month ago) link

it turns out the tortoise and the hare was actually a parable about biden and obama

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 15:45 (one month ago) link

I keep thinking about how Biden is inexplicably the best president of my (shortish) lifetime and it’s not close, frustrating.


I have thought about this too. It’s sort of how an occasional turd smells like roses, really, but it is still a turd.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 15:46 (one month ago) link

this is a world's fastest snail situation

rob, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 15:51 (one month ago) link

this is totally off-topic but i've been thinking about the tortoise and the hare a lot recently, for whatever reason. i think as a child the tortoise was held up as an exemplar of good character. but i identify much, much, much more strongly with the hare. not everyone goes slow and steady and wins the race - it's just find to sprint and work and bursts and take naps. they both got to the finish line at about the same time

z_tbd, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 15:52 (one month ago) link

Idk about a turd, but maybe like… febreeze that is used to mask even worse smells?

sarahell, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 15:53 (one month ago) link

xp
ime the tortoise's good character was in comparison to the arrogant hare, whose smug overconfidence in his own abilities leads directly to failure, not so much a parable about work styles

I don't agree that this maps partic well onto Obama and Biden lol

rob, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 15:55 (one month ago) link

yeah, if the hare had just run full out against a turtle he would be kind of an asshole

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 15:56 (one month ago) link

let's not get into The Incredibles again

Biden is like when my cat pukes on the hardwood floor instead of his usual choice our nicest rug

rob, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 15:57 (one month ago) link

Hare's tasty.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 16:05 (one month ago) link

the airline refund thing today is cool--don't know specifics, hope they're not too barfy. but how sensible!

a (waterface), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 16:10 (one month ago) link

I keep thinking about how Biden is inexplicably the best president of my (shortish) lifetime

Maybe because he comes from an era so ancient that he retains some of the instincts of the New Deal democratic party. I think another part of it is he's a savvy enough politician to see the enthusiasm that progressives showed for Bernie in the form of millions of votes and small donations and understand the need to pull those voters toward him. And the way to do that is to back substantive policies that they value, like student loan forgiveness and reproductive freedom. He's trying his damnedest to run a policy-based campaign, but it's an uphill pull against a troll like Trump.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 16:29 (one month ago) link

I think it may be even simpler, he's an old fashioned politician in the sense he knows he has to come through for his voters every so often.

Are you addicted to struggling with your horse? (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 16:35 (one month ago) link

i think about how the pandemic allowed the government/biden to give tons of people/businesses money and without the pandemic they never would have been able to do that in a million years. money talks. if i recall correctly.

scott seward, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 16:40 (one month ago) link

He's too young for the New Deal. He was elected to the Senate in 1974 in that year's huge Democratic wave. All this hack knows is where the wind blows, and for 30 years, through Gerald Ford and WIN and Carter and deregulation and Democratic Leadership Council and Atari Democrats and Clinton and Clarence Thomas, the winds blew toward accommodation, "centrism," defensive crouches. If he'd been president in 1989 or 2009 he would've been a disaster. This was his moment.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 16:41 (one month ago) link

Money doesnt sing or dance or walk tho xp

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 16:42 (one month ago) link

I gotta give Steve Mnuchin and Nancy Pelosi credit for the free $$: the best demonstration ever that some kind of UBI does not sap "initiative" or whatever.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 16:43 (one month ago) link

Let's not give too much credit to the guy who's aiding and abetting genocide.

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 16:44 (one month ago) link

yes, milo, we know

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 16:46 (one month ago) link

You simply have got to hand it to him

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 16:49 (one month ago) link

How gauche of me

papal hotwife (milo z), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 16:51 (one month ago) link

I think they should go back to giving struggling people free money

sarahell, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 16:54 (one month ago) link

love how people just don’t want to discuss the fact that he’s aiding and abetting a genocide. the party of “but”

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 16:57 (one month ago) link

If by "people" you mean ILX, we do -- all the time! And I agree with you #dialectics

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 17:00 (one month ago) link

We already have at least 3 threads where these things are discussed? The only thing we need now is a “Why Is There No Thread for the Palestinian Genocide?” Thread

sarahell, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 17:03 (one month ago) link

But did you know the president responsible for the most progressive legislation since the New Deal also sent more than 50,000 boys to their deaths?

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 17:08 (one month ago) link

in table's defense, the main headline about Biden today is the military aid bill, seems fair to mention while discussing Biden's relative merit

rob, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 17:15 (one month ago) link

the airline refund thing today is cool--don't know specifics, hope they're not too barfy. but how sensible!

― a (waterface), Wednesday, April 24, 2024 11:10 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah I hate to admit it but Mayor Pete may actually be a good politician

frogbs, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 17:19 (one month ago) link

in table's defense, the main headline about Biden today is the military aid bill, seems fair to mention while discussing Biden's relative merit

― rob, Wednesday, April 24, 2024

You'll notice that when he referred to "his" legislation he barely mentioned Israel. Here's your cynical politics at work.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 17:20 (one month ago) link

also in table's defense, Biden is committing incomprehensively huge amounts of money to genocide that could be given to struggling people or dedicated to social infrastructure

bae (sic), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 17:23 (one month ago) link

xp
I didn't notice that, but given that he called it "A good day for world peace" he'd basically have to leave out Israel or look demented

rob, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 17:24 (one month ago) link

ah but now I'm seeing he also said: “My commitment to Israel,” Mr. Biden said, “is ironclad.” Alas

I hadn't realized the theatrical TikTok thing was part of this package too

rob, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 17:27 (one month ago) link

that could be given to struggling people or dedicated to social infrastructure

I seem to recall a bill Biden proposed with a bunch of domestic spending in it. Whatever happened to that one?

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 17:28 (one month ago) link

we should have a macro that adds "he's contributing to genocide you know" in parentheses every time someone types the word Biden in a post

the absence of bikes (f. hazel), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 17:30 (one month ago) link

in the voice of Foghorn Leghorn

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 17:31 (one month ago) link

xpost - but then what would milo have left to post about?

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 17:33 (one month ago) link

Biden is committing incomprehensively huge amounts of money to genocide that could be given to struggling people or dedicated to social infrastructure

― bae (sic)

US government spending isn’t a zero sum game, all of the government’s money is ultimately free

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 17:40 (one month ago) link

*federal government spending

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 17:41 (one month ago) link

In addition to the incomprehensible amounts of money given to pay for Israel's genocide, he's also given incomprehensible amounts of money since 2021 to broadband, rural hospitals and clinics, reducing the price of insulin, and tax breaks for electrical vehicles.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 17:48 (one month ago) link

Don't you guys see? If you admit someone has done something good, it's like you're minimizing their evil!

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 17:49 (one month ago) link

I'm not zinging anyone. I love the lot of you. I regard these exchanges in the same spirit as volleying one-liners and one-ups over beer and many cigarettes in a backyard.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 17:52 (one month ago) link

are you all under the impression that "Biden is pretty good" is an opinion that has gone unaired on ILX?

rob, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 17:53 (one month ago) link

Let's get some cutting edge opinions in here

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 17:54 (one month ago) link

what's the worst that could happen

rob, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 17:57 (one month ago) link

why the Biden admin is issuing so many executive branch rules this week:

https://prospect.org/politics/2024-04-23-biden-administration-regulations-congressional-review-act/

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 18:00 (one month ago) link

iirc this was the kind of thing the Obama admin was pretty terrible about

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 18:03 (one month ago) link

thanks, Newt!

Democratic Congresses are unlikely to overturn rules from Democratic presidents, and the same with Republicans. So the CRA is only useful when a president from the opposite party comes into power with a unified Congress to reverse their predecessors’ rules. During their presidencies, Bush and Obama showed little interest in using that power.

It took Donald Trump to break this reluctance. As president, Trump signed 16 CRA resolutions overturning Obama administration rules, 15 of them in his first year in office. “This is Newt Gingrich’s knife against the throat of the administrative state that Trump weaponized,” said Segall.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 18:06 (one month ago) link

i'm still mad about the old genocide that nobody here gave a shit about. i'm not on to the new genocide yet but i'll get there!

"Brown University researchers, in a report released Monday, draw on U.N. data and expert analyses to attempt to calculate the minimum number of excess deaths attributable to the war on terrorism, across conflicts in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Somalia and Yemen — impacts “so vast and complex that” ultimately, “they are unquantifiable,” the researchers acknowledge.

The accounting, so far as it can be measured, puts the toll at 4.5 million to 4.6 million — a figure that continues to mount as the effects of conflict reverberate. Of those fatalities, the report estimates, some 3.6 million to 3.7 million were “‘indirect deaths” caused by the deterioration of economic, environmental, psychological and health condition s. Brown University researchers, in a report released Monday, draw on U.N. data and expert analyses to attempt to calculate the minimum number of excess deaths attributable to the war on terrorism, across conflicts in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Somalia and Yemen — impacts “so vast and complex that” ultimately, “they are unquantifiable,” the researchers acknowledge."

scott seward, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 18:13 (one month ago) link

but sorry new news only from now on promise! just ignore that above. heck, everyone else did.

scott seward, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 18:14 (one month ago) link

also ignore my pathetic cut & paste abilities. heck, everyone else did!

scott seward, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 18:15 (one month ago) link

but more currently:

"More than 355,000 Russian personnel have been killed and wounded in the Ukraine war, according to the UK MoD."

https://www.euronews.com/2024/03/03/russia-likely-suffered-at-least-355000-casualties-in-ukraine-war-uk-mod

#lockheedmartinforpresident

scott seward, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 18:22 (one month ago) link

Nah Scott yr good… go Bears!

sarahell, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 18:22 (one month ago) link

Nah Scott yr good… go Bears!

sarahell, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 18:22 (one month ago) link

I was talking with my brother this morning, who's very online and furious about Gaza and the general apathy about it in the public. I had to give him a whole lil TED talk about how American voters have shown over and over they do not give a shit about foreign affairs except/unless/until American lives are directly implicated on a daily basis, and even then it's variable. (By "don't give a shit" I mostly mean it's not a vote-swaying issue for them.)

I don't think Americans are unique in this, although our sense of separation from most of the rest of the world is probably more pronounced thanks to the oceans and all.

People have been pulling up the old pro-Iraq War writings of pro-Israel libs like Josh Marshall. They just wait for their bad takes to be forgotten and then claim they were on the correct side all along.

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 18:26 (one month ago) link

of course it's not vote swaying. Dems are horrible on this issue but Republicans are way worse.

frogbs, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 18:27 (one month ago) link

I'd say that's a little backward, the parties can be/are horrible on it because most voters don't give a shit. To the degree Biden has moved rhetorically at all, it probably has mostly to do with there happening to be an important bloc of Arab-American voters in Michigan, which for this year anyway is an important state.

People on the right also mostly don't care about any of this, but they are happy to hate on anti-war Ivy League longhairs because that's in their DNA.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/04/24/us/elections/nikki-haley-trump-zombie-votes.html

Ballots cast for candidates who have suspended their campaigns are sometimes called zombie votes. This phenomenon is hardly new.

In fact, a review of contested primaries since 2000 reveals that sizable shares of the electorate routinely chose someone other than the eventual nominee, even after all other serious contenders had dropped out. ...

The zombie vote in this year’s Republican primary has actually been low by historical standards. In Democratic and Republican primaries going back to 2000, roughly a quarter of voters picked a candidate other than the eventual nominee even after all the other serious contenders had exited the race.

jaymc, Wednesday, 24 April 2024 19:52 (one month ago) link

Write-in votes not counted yet in PA but there are signs of an Uncommitted showing:

But the spike in write-ins on the Democratic side greatly overshadows GOP write-ins, likely reflecting, at least in part, the work of the Uncommitted Pennsylvania movement. The group had set a goal of getting 40,000 “uncommitted” votes statewide. Biden won Pennsylvania by a little more than 80,000 votes in 2020.

By Wednesday Uncommitted Pa., by its own calculations, said the 67 counties across the state had reported 57,951 Democratic write-in votes for President, which would represent 5.7% of the total vote and nearly three times the number of write-ins cast in the 2020 presidential primary.

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 19:57 (one month ago) link

i was one of them

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 20:52 (one month ago) link

Worthwhile pod ep from two leftist academics with Columbia/NYU history:

https://goodbye.substack.com/p/campus-crackdown-and-an-assessment

Today, we talk about everything that’s happening on campus from Columbia to NYU to Berkeley. Tyler talks about the responsibilities of faculty in these moments and what he thinks is driving a surprisingly strong faculty response to the arrests in New York City. We also talk about how to process the instances of antisemitism at these protests and Jay talks about some of the difficulties that have arisen with the leaderless activism model over the past decade or so

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 22:28 (one month ago) link

Oops, wrong thread.

Sorta

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 22:29 (one month ago) link

no def not, those antisemite wingnuts have been a fringe issue forever, they are never going away, I remember them at abortion protests in the 80s and Iraq protest in the 90s, shunning/ostracization/disavowal is the only answer to their trolling

I painted my teeth (sleeve), Wednesday, 24 April 2024 22:33 (one month ago) link

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/25/israel-gaza-ceasefire-adam-smith

Protesters calling for Israel to cease fire in its war with Hamas who have disrupted US public events and infrastructure are practicing “leftwing fascism” or “leftwing totalitarianism”, a senior US House Democrat said, adding that such protesters are “challenging representative democracy” and should be arrested.

“Intimidation is the tactic,” said Adam Smith of Washington state, the ranking Democrat on the House armed services committee. “Intimidation and an effort to silence opposition … I don’t know if there’s such a thing as leftwing fascism. If you want to just call it leftwing totalitarianism, then that’s what it is. It is a direct challenge to representative democracy now.”

"Adam Smith" is a little much

rob, Thursday, 25 April 2024 12:53 (one month ago) link

I thought he was dead.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 April 2024 12:59 (one month ago) link

These guys have to bark for their AIPAC treats

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Thursday, 25 April 2024 13:31 (one month ago) link

Same people who were calling Vietnam protesters commies, just the same shit over and over.

If we let Tom Cotton handle the problem, presto! No more protestors!

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 April 2024 14:02 (one month ago) link

the best part of that article is when he nearly backs into acknowledging which side he's on:

But he said: “You go back to the civil rights movement, they expected to be arrested, they knew they were violating the law. And also … you have to enforce the law. You have to make clear … that this is about more than just the issue. You know, they can be heard, but then other people get to be heard.

rob, Thursday, 25 April 2024 14:02 (one month ago) link

Other people *have* been heard. That's why they're protesting!

jaymc, Thursday, 25 April 2024 14:04 (one month ago) link

"Sometimes you have to sic the dogs on people--so that everyone's speech is equally audible."

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Thursday, 25 April 2024 14:06 (one month ago) link

“I love that guy,” Biden said of Pitchbot, before a subtle parting shot at the Times on a frequency only Times staffers might hear. “I should do an interview with him.”

c u (crüt), Thursday, 25 April 2024 16:17 (one month ago) link

Considering there is an opinion piece up right fucking now called, "Every Day in Court Improves Trump's Chances in November" and contains like the one below, I'm not sure the Pitchbot even needs to exist any longer.

The Manhattan courtroom will be the setting for Mr. Trump to play the role of a familiar American archetype: the wronged man seeking justice from corrupt, powerful forces. The former president is good in this role, and that’s no small thing.

Maxmillion D. Boosted (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 25 April 2024 16:19 (one month ago) link

Adam Smith, my congressman!

JoeStork, Thursday, 25 April 2024 16:25 (one month ago) link

Maybe I can write Jayapal and request as her constituent that she send goons to break his kneecaps with a tire iron

G. D’Arcy Cheesewright (silby), Thursday, 25 April 2024 16:26 (one month ago) link

Xxp and that is demonstrably untrue with actual facts! His poll numbers are declining!

Are you addicted to struggling with your horse? (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 25 April 2024 16:42 (one month ago) link

The former president is good in this role

This is where it goes off the rails. Trump is whiney, arrogant, sneaky, and a windbag. This only plays well to people who have stayed on the Trump train even after the Jan 6 coup attempt and his daily lies about the 2020 election. He could appear on the courthouse steps, claim to be a combo plate of Jesus and MLK, Jr. and they'd just nod along and buy more DJT stock.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 25 April 2024 17:06 (one month ago) link

Trump is whiney, arrogant, sneaky, and a windbag.

And those are his good points!

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Thursday, 25 April 2024 17:24 (one month ago) link

A leaky windbag by all accounts.

The leaky-ist, many people are saying...

the article about Trump's fundraising talks about this, having him being the center of attention does bring a lot of donations in, but it's not clear how that translates to actual votes. sure this stuff appeals to his base but he still needs a good chunk of moderates and undecideds to win and sitting in court all day for a crime he is clearly guilty of probably isn't helping

frogbs, Thursday, 25 April 2024 19:27 (one month ago) link

Aren't a fair chunk of those donations going directly into his pocket anyways?

Big Bong Theory (stevie), Thursday, 25 April 2024 19:35 (one month ago) link

and his fundraising is puttering this time around 'cause your racist meemaw's bank account was cleaned out from all the previous donations

Are you addicted to struggling with your horse? (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 25 April 2024 20:39 (one month ago) link

sputtering

Are you addicted to struggling with your horse? (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 25 April 2024 20:39 (one month ago) link

That too.

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 25 April 2024 20:43 (one month ago) link

I am kinda curious what observable effects(if any) will come from the RNC using their fundraising apparatus mainly as a legal defense fund for Trump’s cases. I know the crowd they try to soak has near-infinite money, but how does that flow of donations change over the next 6 months? All those funds aren’t being used in any state races, to the extent that those aren’t already locked up in gerrymandering

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Thursday, 25 April 2024 22:05 (one month ago) link

so crazy that they let that big dumb orange fox in the henhouse like that. he is going to bleed the RNC dry and build the biggest mansion in...where do they build big mansions in Russia? Melania would know.

scott seward, Thursday, 25 April 2024 22:10 (one month ago) link

if the RNC just becomes a slush fund to pay Trump's legal fees, the big donor moneybags can always switch to funding super-PACs, where they can wield more influence.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 25 April 2024 22:57 (one month ago) link

ha i was like "how will we know and when" on this rnc issue, and i got rabbit-holed into

https://www.opensecrets.org/political-parties/RNC/2022/expenditures?name=republican-national-cmte

which has been fun to flip through, though i don't know the first thing as to its accuracy/veracity.

schrodingers cat was always cool (Hunt3r), Friday, 26 April 2024 03:34 (one month ago) link

Great stuff, but it only goes up through 2022, so not very up to date.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 26 April 2024 03:38 (one month ago) link

obv- so how do we know and when, because i thought it was fait accompli

schrodingers cat was always cool (Hunt3r), Friday, 26 April 2024 03:40 (one month ago) link

democracy officially ended yesterday

it was on life support before. it was put to bed yesterday.

i expect every know it all to know it all, again, in response, but it's weird that it happened and no one even mentioned it

z_tbd, Friday, 26 April 2024 15:59 (one month ago) link

but then again, it happened and i didn't know what to say either. sometimes you just have to have your oatmeal and continue

z_tbd, Friday, 26 April 2024 16:01 (one month ago) link

Even partial immunity is definitional tyranny so i don’t understand a single trumpist take. anyone who mentions founders republic or constitution—wtf? i mean i do understand that they do not give an actual fuck about any one one of those things, but why nobody with juice says this or gets it mainstreamed, at least in my world, is beyond bizarre.

and for a piece of real human garbage like trump who hasn’t and won’t and cannot ever deliver anything remotely heroic in ANY sense of the word. the objectives are monstrous, and the cause is comically revolting.

i know this is bland basic restatement of like 9 years of trump related hell, but how the fuck are we still here?

schrodingers cat was always cool (Hunt3r), Friday, 26 April 2024 16:23 (one month ago) link

He's still alive.

I admit I wasn't following yesterday too closely but my impression was Kavanaugh was arguing about certain carve outs for which "presidential immunity" might actually apply, I didn't think he was buying that what Trump was doing counted

frogbs, Friday, 26 April 2024 16:37 (one month ago) link

this was a potential VP pick

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/kristi-noem-shoots-puppy-she-hated-book-1235011230/

I say "was" because I actually think animal cruelty is still a career killer even in the modern day GOP

frogbs, Friday, 26 April 2024 17:01 (one month ago) link

Sorry about my dumb post just above about know it alls and not saying anything here. Not directed at anyone at all, just feeling very despondent

z_tbd, Friday, 26 April 2024 17:02 (one month ago) link

Sorry about my dumb post just above about know it alls and not saying anything here. Not directed at anyone at all, just feeling very despondent

z_tbd, Friday, 26 April 2024 17:02 (one month ago) link

Sorry about my dumb post just above about know it alls and not saying anything here. Not directed at anyone at all, just feeling very despondent

z_tbd, Friday, 26 April 2024 17:02 (one month ago) link

X2

z_tbd, Friday, 26 April 2024 17:03 (one month ago) link

I don't know, Ted Cruz is still around.

I think Noem is trying to show she can be tough, and make hard decisions.

nickn, Friday, 26 April 2024 17:26 (one month ago) link

sometimes you just have to shoot the puppy.. she didn't relish the task, but it had to be done

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 26 April 2024 17:32 (one month ago) link

CNN's lead headline right now: Trump's Pecker has no credibility. (Paraphrase.)

https://www.cnn.com/

clemenza, Friday, 26 April 2024 17:42 (one month ago) link

more of this please

Discussing the deaths in a car crash in 1972 of his first wife, Neilia Hunter Biden, and young daughter, Naomi, the president told Stern he then contemplated suicide.

“I used to sit there and just think I’m going to take out a bottle of scotch,” Biden said. “I’m going to just drink it and get drunk.

“I just thought about it, you don’t need to be crazy to commit suicide. I thought, ‘Let me just go to the Delaware Memorial (Bridge) and jump.’”

He also encouraged listeners experiencing mental health issues to seek therapy.

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 26 April 2024 18:51 (one month ago) link

damn

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 26 April 2024 19:01 (one month ago) link

Post a picture with your dog that doesn’t involve shooting them and throwing them in a gravel pit. https://t.co/X5W61xGISd pic.twitter.com/qFQ63FTBQU

— Governor Gretchen Whitmer (@GovWhitmer) April 27, 2024

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Saturday, 27 April 2024 12:26 (one month ago) link

a political genius

We love animals, but tough decisions like this happen all the time on a farm. Sadly, we just had to put down 3 horses a few weeks ago that had been in our family for 25 years.

If you want more real, honest, and politically INcorrect stories that’ll have the media gasping,… pic.twitter.com/bKhpUkchHV

— Kristi Noem (@KristiNoem) April 26, 2024

rob, Saturday, 27 April 2024 12:54 (one month ago) link

Noem ‘24: Fuck Them Animals

Cemetry Gaetz (DJP), Saturday, 27 April 2024 13:05 (one month ago) link

The way I instinctively rested a hand on Widget, who was conked out next to me on the sofa as I read about that horrible murdering bitch.

steely flan (suzy), Saturday, 27 April 2024 13:07 (one month ago) link

What a weird story to latch onto as a way to show your tough decision-making abilities. A.) be an incredibly irresponsible dog owner, and then B.) kill the dog to make up for your own failings. Oh well! That’s just how we do it in Dakota.

"Vote For Me, or and I'll Kill This Dog..."

I've killed a dog
And I've killed a goat
Had my gun right down its throat
SO WHAT
SO WHAT

a fatal dose of irony (Matt #2), Saturday, 27 April 2024 13:55 (one month ago) link

And I won’t think twice to stick this barrel
Straight down Cricket’s throat
Believe me when I say
That I got something for her punk ass

Noemi creating the Checkers 2024 moment.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Saturday, 27 April 2024 14:45 (one month ago) link

trying to one up Mitt.

scott seward, Saturday, 27 April 2024 15:01 (one month ago) link

Trump has famously never had a pet of his own, and doesn't like dogs (he often uses the phrase "...like a dog" in a negative way), so this will not be a liability if she's campaigning to be VP.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Saturday, 27 April 2024 15:15 (one month ago) link

Not with Trump, but with folks in general? You don't mess with man's best friend, as Mike Vick found out.

henry s, Saturday, 27 April 2024 15:26 (one month ago) link

Ah yes, he who :checks notes: got a slap on the wrist and then continued on to a storied career in the NFL.

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Saturday, 27 April 2024 15:32 (one month ago) link

I fully expect Republicans to take this in stride and make a full shift to be the party of pet murder

Muad'Doob (Moodles), Saturday, 27 April 2024 15:37 (one month ago) link

michael vick actually not a bad choice for trump's VP.

scott seward, Saturday, 27 April 2024 15:49 (one month ago) link

it's fucked up but there probably is a small cohort of conservatives who relate to stories about shooting your own animals. when i was a kid i had to listen a loved one shoot my favorite cat, Snuffles, in a garbage can in the woods. snuffles had been bitten by a neighbor dog the day before and was in bad shape. instead of humanely putting him down or taking him to a vet, he was put in a garbage can and dragged to the woods. me and my sister stood outside and heard the gunshot and cried. a week later, snuffles returned home, recovered, and lived for several more years until my family gave him away (...that's what they told me they did, at least) without telling me while i was in college. the story i was told was that he didn't have the heart to shoot snuffles, so he fired a gunshot nearby to "scare him away" instead.

a lot of people treat their animals like scum, and i guess they feel so bad about it that they try to elevate their cruel behavior into some sort of tough guy "well it's gotta be done on a farm" thing. or you know, "sometimes you gotta put your dog on top of your moving vehicle".

z_tbd, Saturday, 27 April 2024 16:13 (one month ago) link

people would put cats in bags and throw them in the river. when they had too many cats. or kittens. no big deal. kinda insane.

i still remember when people would just have a box of kittens or puppies outside the supermarket. just take one if you need one. we have too many.

scott seward, Saturday, 27 April 2024 16:35 (one month ago) link

nah there are a lot of crazy dog folks out there, some of whom seem to value dog lives more than human lives, if *this* is the one thing people know about your VP pick it's pretty bad

frogbs, Saturday, 27 April 2024 16:43 (one month ago) link

oh for sure! yeah i mean i don't think it's a winning move for kristi noem! she's definitely fucked up and she has definitely fucked up

z_tbd, Saturday, 27 April 2024 16:44 (one month ago) link

lmao

Ready for the weekend 💙 🐾 pic.twitter.com/DlD0rf4UOf

— Biden-Harris HQ (@BidenHQ) April 26, 2024

frogbs, Saturday, 27 April 2024 16:46 (one month ago) link

Nice

Marten Broadcloak, mild-mannered GOP congressman (Raymond Cummings), Saturday, 27 April 2024 16:48 (one month ago) link

my uncle, who is a cowboy who lives on a ranch, used to shoot his dogs. he's a big trump fan now. this is a mindset

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Saturday, 27 April 2024 16:50 (one month ago) link

Learning your craft entirely in the context of South Dakota's local politics would be a bad school to graduate from if you want to be a nationally successful politician.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 27 April 2024 16:50 (one month ago) link

Vick did 2 years in the can though. Should have been more, but not exactly a slap on the wrist. Wouldn't mind seeing Noem get at least half that.

henry s, Saturday, 27 April 2024 16:56 (one month ago) link

while I agree all elected Republican officials deserve to be in jail I don't think this is an active investigation just a fun little story she somehow thought would make her look tough

frogbs, Saturday, 27 April 2024 17:02 (one month ago) link

Not with Trump, but with folks in general? You don't mess with man's best friend, as Mike Vick found out.

Yeah, I agree with this. I was just saying it won't hurt her with Trump, but it's just one more thing that is seemingly OK with him (and his ever-shrinking cult) but repellent to normal people.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Saturday, 27 April 2024 17:18 (one month ago) link

how does stuff like that land in a book though? isn't there an editor at some point? you'd think national politicians would have and would want multiple layers of vetting to make sure they don't, you know, brag about killing their pets

z_tbd, Saturday, 27 April 2024 17:23 (one month ago) link

These are people who only talk to each other and to people who think like them. I guarantee the ghostwriter and editor were both quizzed extensively about their political beliefs before they got the gig.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Saturday, 27 April 2024 17:25 (one month ago) link

"Do you shoot dogs or eat them? Do you shoot dogs and eat them?"

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 27 April 2024 17:26 (one month ago) link

Apparently there's a theory circulating that Noem doesn't want to be Trump's VP, but doesn't want to offend him by turning him down, so this is her way of taking herself out of contention and making it seem like it was his idea.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Saturday, 27 April 2024 17:46 (one month ago) link

In order to get her book written and published in time to deter Trump she must have had a clairvoyant for a consultant.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 27 April 2024 18:18 (one month ago) link

I don’t know, I used to think (way back) that school shootings would be THE issue that finally turns people off towards guns and even the GOP at large. And these are children we’re talking about. But all it did was make people double down on how great guns are. If Trump makes Noem his running mate, people will be shooting their dogs left and right like it’s the thing to do.

epistantophus, Saturday, 27 April 2024 18:29 (one month ago) link

I think there is some truth to the idea that a lot of folks in this country care more about dogs than they do people though

frogbs, Saturday, 27 April 2024 18:36 (one month ago) link

oh hell yeah. millions do.

scott seward, Saturday, 27 April 2024 18:53 (one month ago) link

"In 2022, Americans spent $136.8 billion on their pets, up nearly 11% from 2021 ($123.6 billion)."

"The US Dog Food Market size was estimated at USD 46.1 billion in 2023 and is anticipated to reach around USD 55.8 billion by 2032..."

scott seward, Saturday, 27 April 2024 18:56 (one month ago) link

Laura Loomer, a right-wing activist and Trump ally, wrote on X, “You can’t shoot your dog and then be VP.”

Shooting your lawyer, however...

alpaca lips now (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 27 April 2024 21:11 (one month ago) link

it's fucked up but there probably is a small cohort of conservatives who relate to stories about shooting your own animals.

100%, I've encountered them - their attitude toward animals differentiates them from all those weak-ass libs who are soft on animals etc..

That story gets put in the book precisely because she wants to establish bona fides with those people, it's like Sarah Palin shooting wolves from helicopters. (Which also didn't work because they're in too deep to realize people who are cool with this stuff are a distinct minority.)

papal hotwife (milo z), Saturday, 27 April 2024 21:23 (one month ago) link

That’s probably what she was going for, but it’s quite a misfire. Unlike … the one that killed Cricket.

The cruelty is the point, after all.

immodesty blaise (jimbeaux), Saturday, 27 April 2024 21:27 (one month ago) link

Maybe it’s to show a contrast with Biden, who didn’t have what it took to shoot his dog when it kept biting people.

“You can’t shoot your dog and then be VP.” for May Thread Title.

you can shoot your human hunting partner and be a VP

symsymsym, Saturday, 27 April 2024 22:52 (one month ago) link

it's encouraged in fact

symsymsym, Saturday, 27 April 2024 22:52 (one month ago) link

Didn’t Joni Ernst brag about castrating pigs in her campaign ads?

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Saturday, 27 April 2024 22:54 (one month ago) link

Mitt Romney put down many a varmint in his day.

henry s, Saturday, 27 April 2024 23:49 (one month ago) link

gonna watch correspondents' dinner. colin jost. hilarity is ensured!

scott seward, Sunday, 28 April 2024 00:03 (one month ago) link

Didn’t Joni Ernst brag about castrating pigs in her campaign ads?

― Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Saturday, April 27, 2024 6:54 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yup - to make some point about cutting pork barrel spending iirc

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 28 April 2024 00:06 (one month ago) link

“Of course, age is an issue. I’m a grown man, and I’m running against a six-year-old,” President Biden jokes at the White House Correspondents Dinner. “Age is the only thing we have in common…My vice president actually endorses me.”

— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) April 28, 2024

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 28 April 2024 12:31 (one month ago) link

Anyway, everyone in the House GOP hates everyone else. (Gift link.)

Ned Raggett, Monday, 29 April 2024 16:25 (one month ago) link

Maybe it’s to show a contrast with Biden, who didn’t have what it took to shoot his dog when it kept biting people.


Honestly I think Biden’s dog might be my favorite White House occupant

sarahell, Monday, 29 April 2024 16:52 (one month ago) link

Ned's link 404'd me. :(

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 29 April 2024 17:02 (one month ago) link

Here is one that should work

https://wapo.st/3JEkieH

Pontiack-ack-ack-ack (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 29 April 2024 17:09 (one month ago) link

Indeed!

Ned Raggett, Monday, 29 April 2024 17:10 (one month ago) link

The May thread has to have a dog killer title. Possibilities:

"Hey, where's Cricket?"
"grabbing one chicken at a time, crunching it to death with one bite"
"I hated that dog."
"Less than worthless as a hunting dog"
"I dragged him to a gravel pit."
"I hurried back to the gravel pit and put him down”

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Tuesday, 30 April 2024 13:58 (one month ago) link

that last sentence is the story of America.

scott seward, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 14:09 (one month ago) link

Johnny Cash meets Wu Tang

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Tuesday, 30 April 2024 14:15 (one month ago) link

gravel pit of fire collab

schrodingers cat was always cool (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 30 April 2024 14:24 (one month ago) link

love you america...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTRMSfov7l0

scott seward, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 14:26 (one month ago) link

Monroe County District Attorney Sandra Doorley for Vice President!

scott seward, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 14:29 (one month ago) link

though to be fair that kind of fucked up privilege can probably be found anywhere in the world. its just FEELS especially american.

scott seward, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 14:38 (one month ago) link

was really expecting some violence

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Tuesday, 30 April 2024 14:50 (one month ago) link

Repeat after me. "Do you know who I am? Do you know WHO I AM?!"

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 30 April 2024 17:29 (one month ago) link

Why are you so angry?

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Tuesday, 30 April 2024 17:47 (one month ago) link

thought it was MTG at the beginning

bulb after bulb, Tuesday, 30 April 2024 17:55 (one month ago) link

One particular issue is currently working against Biden and Democrats among young voters.

“The Israel/Hamas war in Gaza reflects one of the sharpest policy differences by age we have seen over a 40-year period,” McInturff writes. “President Biden’s support for Israel has collapsed his standing with one of his key and previously most supportive subgroups, 18-to-29-year-old voters.”

McInturff compared data on voters 18 to 34, in two categories: surveys conducted between January and September 2023 ,before the war began, and surveys conducted after it started, between November 2023 and January 2024.

The shift among these young voters is terrible news for the Biden campaign. In the pre-Gaza polling, young voters backed Biden by 29 points, 61-32. In the post-Gaza surveys, Biden’s advantage over Trump fell to four points, 45-41.


If the decline in young peoples’ support for Democrats holds true through Election Day, it will be a major setback for Democratic strategists who, before the outbreak of the Israeli-Hamas war, were banking on what appeared to be a secure partisan commitment by Gen Z and Millennials to the Democratic Party.


According to the Harvard survey, “Young Americans support a permanent cease-fire in Gaza by a five-to-one margin (51 percent support, 10 percent oppose). No major subgroup of young voters opposes such action.”



Edsall on Biden’s troubles with young voters

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 1 May 2024 10:42 (one month ago) link

That column also has interesting, terrible centrist bullshit from the likes of Richard Reeves:

In the centrifugal dynamic of culture-war politics, the more the right goes to one extreme, the more the left must go to the other, and vice versa. The left dismisses biology, the right leans too heavily on it. The left see a war on girls and women; the right see a war on boys and men. The left pathologizes masculinity; the right pathologizes feminism.

#bothsides

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 May 2024 10:53 (one month ago) link

oh yeah, i rolled my eyes heavy at that BS

butt dumb tight my boners got boners (the table is the table), Wednesday, 1 May 2024 10:55 (one month ago) link

The people blathering on about same-sex spaces and the presence of trans service users within are idiots who probably have never needed those services.

steely flan (suzy), Wednesday, 1 May 2024 11:15 (one month ago) link

i did the math and the amount of votes that trump loses to kennedy is the exact same as the amount of votes that biden loses over gaza. i used a calculator.

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/proxy/QHPxRvHEW8LrCghSH8TmEU914ujtq_snvheG2T6Ws8iiMM5_R4atYLBma9Aaql0s0HeEef-v1Cr7ZZWJHkkK-wAj16qKxYELqU_FzsknlcREnve7xVyrf0xZ_mxWG0eK

scott seward, Wednesday, 1 May 2024 12:00 (one month ago) link

meanwhile...

https://i.postimg.cc/MpjVG9HR/IMG-2290.jpg

frogbs, Wednesday, 1 May 2024 12:39 (one month ago) link

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/government/politics-elections/2024/05/01/house-republicans-expand-investigations-campus

In addition to the education committee, leaders of the Ways and Means, Judiciary, Oversight, Energy and Commerce, and Science, Space and Technology committees will be launching or continuing inquiries as part of the House-wide effort. The specifics of their investigations aren’t entirely clear, though lawmakers indicated where they might go. For example, Ways and Means will be looking into the tax-exempt status of institutions while Judiciary wants more information about the role of international students in the protests.

Have we achieved full mccarthyism yet?

rob, Wednesday, 1 May 2024 13:54 (one month ago) link

GOP conveniently eliding that the students are protesting Biden administration policies.

#bipartisanship

the talented mr pimply (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 1 May 2024 14:01 (one month ago) link

xxxpost Wonder if that last name helped

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Wednesday, 1 May 2024 14:02 (one month ago) link

ha ha also:

Mr. Kennedy outspent his Republican opponent, Gary Dickson, by an eye-popping 47 to 1.

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Wednesday, 1 May 2024 14:03 (one month ago) link

That entire Higher Ed article, the words Palestine or Palestinians are never mentioned once.

Requiem for a Dream: The Musical! (Dan Peterson), Wednesday, 1 May 2024 14:16 (one month ago) link

“I’ll leave you all with this: Imagine being a Jewish American, knowing that part of your hard-earned paycheck is going to fund an antisemitic professor’s research while they threaten students and actively indoctrinate and radicalize the next generation.”

The Woke Tax

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Wednesday, 1 May 2024 14:21 (one month ago) link

whoops

“I’ll leave you all with this: Imagine being a Jewish American, knowing that part of your hard-earned paycheck is going to fund an antisemitic professor’s research while they threaten students and actively indoctrinate and radicalize the next generation.”

Never fight uphill 'o me, boys! (President Keyes), Wednesday, 1 May 2024 14:21 (one month ago) link

That quote is from Cathy McMorris Rodgers, an evangelical freak who opposes same-sex marriage and doesn't believe in evolution

rob, Wednesday, 1 May 2024 14:55 (one month ago) link

Scott, I also did the math. The answer came out 2,318,008.

Millennium Falco (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 1 May 2024 17:58 (one month ago) link


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