List of 1982 box office number-one films in the United States

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I left E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial and Tootsie, the highest-grossing films of the year, in there.

Poll Results

OptionVotes
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan 17
Conan the Barbarian 9
First Blood 7
E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial 5
Richard Pryor: Live on the Sunset Strip 4
Porky's 3
Creepshow 2
Tootsie 2
Rocky III 1
On Golden Pond 1
The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas 1
Sharkey's Machine 1
The Toy 0
Absence of Malice 0
Amityville II: The Possession 0
An Officer and a Gentleman 0
Friday the 13th Part III 0
Modern Problems 0


hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 June 2025 13:13 (one month ago)

Yeesh

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 23 June 2025 13:15 (one month ago)

Overlapping somewhat with the films on the 1981 box office poll:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBMfMopSj3Q

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 23 June 2025 13:42 (one month ago)

Kinda wild that a (terrific) Richard Pryor concert film would hit #1 at the box office.

cryptosicko, Monday, 23 June 2025 14:25 (one month ago)

right?

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 June 2025 14:36 (one month ago)

Actually gonna vote Khan here — the best Star Trek movie and as such the best single representation of the Star Trek mythos.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Monday, 23 June 2025 14:52 (one month ago)

Thought about first blood and tootsie (a well made movie i never need to see again) but yeah it’s ST2

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 23 June 2025 14:56 (one month ago)

a few i really like, but the richard pryor special contains some of the most transcendent stand-up ever put to tape

gestures broadly at...everything (voodoo chili), Monday, 23 June 2025 14:58 (one month ago)

The Wrath of Khan has one of the great villain performances of all time -- by playing it straight Ricardo Montalban somehow avoids camp and earns the Ahab comparisons -- and I'm tempted to vote for it. First Blood's incoherent politics still results in one of Stallone's best punch-ups.

tootsie (a well made movie i never need to see again)

Tootsie's a well0-made movie I need to see every four days.

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 June 2025 14:58 (one month ago)

E.T. and Tootsie beautifully represent the best of what Hollywood could do in the early 80s.

cryptosicko, Monday, 23 June 2025 15:00 (one month ago)

Thia is a hard choice until the last film on the list, and then it's easy

Josefa, Monday, 23 June 2025 15:02 (one month ago)

Not going to vote for it, but I remember liking Sharkey's Machine a lot. Henry Silva is scary as hell in it.

WmC, Monday, 23 June 2025 15:02 (one month ago)

Btw "Sharkey" looks more correct to me too, but it's "Sharky"

Josefa, Monday, 23 June 2025 15:04 (one month ago)

directed by Burt Reynolds!

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 June 2025 15:05 (one month ago)

E.T. -- Spielberg's best?

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 June 2025 15:06 (one month ago)

I think I saw ET at the exact wrong age to love it — I was 12 and it already felt a little too cute to me. Four years younger or eight years older, I probably would have appreciated it more. But for that reason it's never quite sunk in for me. I do love the way he uses the suburban setting to evoke mystery and menace.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Monday, 23 June 2025 15:09 (one month ago)

I was four. I still have my original ET doll from 1982. It's my all-time favorite movie. I watched it recently and it's still so wonderful.

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 23 June 2025 15:11 (one month ago)

For some reason we had the toy on vhs and I watched it repeatedly as a kid. See also Mr Mom but that's not on the list.

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 23 June 2025 15:12 (one month ago)

wait what the fuck - we also had wrath of khan and best little whorehouse in texas on VHS. Was that the year VCRs came out? Was everyone just copying movies for each other? Weird.

Benson and the Jets (ENBB), Monday, 23 June 2025 15:13 (one month ago)

Oh totally. I remember dubbed copies of Pete's Dragon and a lot of the other early Disney VHS releases making their way into our library via whatever network my parents had set up with friends and relatives. Also, National Lampoon's Vacation, Stroker Ace, Psycho II, and for some reason the 1963 Lord of the Flies.

cryptosicko, Monday, 23 June 2025 15:20 (one month ago)

First Blood's incoherent politics still results in one of Stallone's best punch-ups.

First Blood basically just says America hates the unhoused and the police are its main enforcers. This becomes incoherent if you look at the rah rah sequels or even its scriptwriter's own politics but internally I think it's pretty coherent.

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 23 June 2025 15:25 (one month ago)

Well, no, because the police act as if Rambo's a dirty hippie who loathed the war. Why would they hate a Vietnam vet? This is John Milius we're talking about here, who loves these kinds of stews.

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 June 2025 15:27 (one month ago)

See also Mr Mom but that's not on the list.

1983.

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 June 2025 15:30 (one month ago)

Don't think I could make a choice but kinda delighted to learn Creepshow hit number one -- it's a remarkably effective film (and an anthology film at that, though with just one director in Romero), aiming for and nailing those EC horror comics vibes they explicitly set out to capture. Without overstating the case, it almost felt like the gleeful long term vengeance of the all the fans of those original comics who were kids loving them in the 1950s, even while the gelling of Satanic panic vibes were starting to emerge to start the cycle anew.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 23 June 2025 15:31 (one month ago)

xps i was about 11 when i saw e.t. not long after release (on pirate video, at school!) and, while i remember being into it at the time and had an e.t. plushie, it never stuck with me the way star wars had done.

Kim Kimberly, Monday, 23 June 2025 15:32 (one month ago)

The last segment of Creepshow remains one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen in a movie.

cryptosicko, Monday, 23 June 2025 15:34 (one month ago)

Well, no, because the police act as if Rambo's a dirty hippie who loathed the war. Why would they hate a Vietnam vet?

As I said, he's an unhoused person with possible mental health issues, you think the cops are gonna worry about his service record?? That's buying into the right's propaganda imo.

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 23 June 2025 15:37 (one month ago)

wild to see how the addiction to sequels had already started, way back then

sleeve, Monday, 23 June 2025 15:38 (one month ago)

Brian Dennehy and his squad code as right wing cops, so their instant revulsion towards Rambo is implausible to me. We'll just disagree.

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 June 2025 15:40 (one month ago)

This is John Milius we're talking about here, who loves these kinds of stews.

Not a Milius movie?

Kim Kimberly, Monday, 23 June 2025 15:44 (one month ago)

Was that the year VCRs came out?

VHS was officially launched in 1977 (IIRC), but really took off in the early '80s when cheaper players hit the market and catalogue titles on tape started having lower MSRPs--plus the sudden ubiquity of paperback movie guides by critics like Ebert, Maltin etc.

Lithium Just Madison (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 23 June 2025 15:45 (one month ago)

Not a Milius movie?

― Kim Kimberly,

Yeah, oops! I don't know why I thought he co-wrote it with Sly.

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 June 2025 15:46 (one month ago)

Absolutely could be a Milius movie.

Kim Kimberly, Monday, 23 June 2025 15:49 (one month ago)

Ted Kotcheff also directed the following year's Uncommon Valor, a decent Vietnam film starring Gene Hackman.

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 June 2025 15:57 (one month ago)

Creepshow for me. Ned’s choice of efficient is exactly right - I saw it with a packed audience on its first run and we all had a blast. Still one of the few comic book movies that does actually feel like a comic - and having a Berni Wrightson graphic novel adaptation to go with it was a real coup at the time.

In the UK there was a pretty long wait to see ET after its US release and it was probably the most anticipated blockbuster since Star Wars. It was also at the start of video rental culture in Britain so soon every dodgy Brit video shop had a bootleg copy under the counter. So my memory of it is tied up with Fulci, Argento and all the other video nasties I was renting at the time. It was never the same seeing it visually unblemished. And because of all the piracy I think it was quite a while before there was a legit video issue here.

Ward Fowler, Monday, 23 June 2025 16:53 (one month ago)

Per wikipedia, seems crazy today:

E.T. was eventually released on VHS and LaserDisc on October 27, 1988.

visiting, Monday, 23 June 2025 17:35 (one month ago)

The VHS cassette was also rented over six million times during its first two weeks in 1988, a record it held until the VHS release of Batman the following year.[97]

visiting, Monday, 23 June 2025 17:38 (one month ago)

Most of these titles I remember from gazing longingly at the video box in the rental store in the early 80s, but my parents would never let me rent the rated R ones, which seems to be the majority of these. I guess I must have seen ET in the theater though, because I definitely saw it before 1988.

o. nate, Monday, 23 June 2025 19:50 (one month ago)

E.T. might have been the last film I saw at our neighbourhood big-screen theatre, the Odeon Weston, a screen apparently then and probably always without stereo sound:

https://photos.cinematreasures.org/production/photos/422753/1697762312/large.JPG?1697762312

Halfway there but for you, Monday, 23 June 2025 20:23 (one month ago)

I def saw Conan, ET, and Tootsie in the theaters, we went a lot. maybe a few others but I don't think so. def none of the horror stuff or Porky's, and for some reason I was not into ST at that time, just D&D so I did not see Khan.

sleeve, Monday, 23 June 2025 20:26 (one month ago)

Brian Dennehy and his squad code as right wing cops, so their instant revulsion towards Rambo is implausible to me. We'll just disagree.

― hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, June 23, 2025 11:40 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

You don't think this serves as a pretty on-the-nose metaphor for how the American bureaucratic system treats veterans after they return?

gioia thoing (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 23 June 2025 20:30 (one month ago)

I'd think so NOW. Also: Rambo's the guy every police force in America would be proud to hire as a hippie killer.

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 June 2025 20:32 (one month ago)

In the book the cops think Rambo is hippie.

Iza Duffus Hardy (President Keyes), Monday, 23 June 2025 20:34 (one month ago)

My first reaction to E.T. is not that it's cute: shit is *relentless* in that middle section. I'm still bruised by it, tbh.

First Blood's politics are confusing. I think Dennehy is a small-minded cop, protecting his town; he's worried about hippie vagrants and Rambo's veteran status means little to him. Overall, it's pro-military; Troutman's pride is played straight, and Rambo's whole schtick is 'can we do it again so we can win this time?'. The series picks up that thread and runs with it.

I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Monday, 23 June 2025 20:43 (one month ago)

Assuming Pryor will get plenty of votes, I'm leaning towards the trash here; I need to decide between First Blood, Conan, and Rocky III.

I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Monday, 23 June 2025 20:46 (one month ago)

First Blood is the only one I've rewatched recently. I thought it held up pretty well as an action thriller. It feels kind of morally and politically ambiguous by design. I'm not even sure how much we are supposed to sympathize with Rambo unleashing hell on that little town because the cops were assholes.

o. nate, Monday, 23 June 2025 20:48 (one month ago)

Per wikipedia, seems crazy today:

E.T. was eventually released on VHS and LaserDisc on October 27, 1988.


Also kind of crazy that if you didn't catch it in the cinema, your first exposure to some of these movies would likely have been a flickering VHS copy, watched on a 21" screen (or maybe even 14")

groovypanda, Monday, 23 June 2025 21:14 (one month ago)

What a different era. A bunch of comedies, a few trashy horror movies, a few oscar-bait pictures, and the closest thing to a special effects blockbuster is a Star Trek movie. I remember the 80s being action movies aimed at children (Conan, Rambo) but a lot of other shit was still popular.

adamt (abanana), Monday, 23 June 2025 21:25 (one month ago)

I'd think so NOW. Also: Rambo's the guy every police force in America would be proud to hire as a hippie killer.

Hmmm yeah, exact opposite for me: Rambo is a veteran of the Vietnam war, during which there was a draft, so the cops can't automatically assume he's a true believer or ideologically aligned with them. Today the same plot wouldn't work as well I don't think.

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 23 June 2025 21:27 (one month ago)

E.T. was eventually released on VHS and LaserDisc on October 27, 1988.

Also kind of crazy that if you didn't catch it in the cinema, your first exposure to some of these movies would likely have been a flickering VHS copy, watched on a 21" screen (or maybe even 14")


or seeing it on tv when eventually broadcast in... 1990 (in the uk).

visiting, Monday, 23 June 2025 21:47 (one month ago)

First Blood's politics are confusing. I think Dennehy is a small-minded cop, protecting his town; he's worried about hippie vagrants and Rambo's veteran status means little to him. Overall, it's pro-military; Troutman's pride is played straight, and Rambo's whole schtick is 'can we do it again so we can win this time?'. The series picks up that thread and runs with it.

― I would prefer not to. (Chinaski),

Glad I'm not crazy.

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 23 June 2025 22:12 (one month ago)

I read the novelizations of ET and Creepshow, but never bothered to see the movies. ET because the novel is lame, Creepshow because there’s no way a movie could outdo Wrightson doing EC.

oder doch?, Tuesday, 24 June 2025 13:08 (one month ago)

That's a terrible reason not to watch E.T.!

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 13:10 (one month ago)

The Spielberg pizzazz was not on the page.

oder doch?, Tuesday, 24 June 2025 13:16 (one month ago)

There was even a sequel to the E.T. novelization, where E.T. goes back to his home planet and gets treated like shit for having Earth cooties.

Iza Duffus Hardy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 15:48 (one month ago)

!!

sleeve, Tuesday, 24 June 2025 15:50 (one month ago)

E.T. novelisation and sequel are by William Kotzwinkle, a not uninteresting writer and one of the more 'literary' names associated with the movie tie-in form (sorry Alan Dean Foster..)

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 24 June 2025 15:51 (one month ago)

First Blood's politics are confusing

Based on a novel started in 1968, published in 1972, and finally filmed in 1982... yep

You could probably remake First Blood now, America doesn't have a draft in the traditional sense but you could have Rambo a Gulf War veteran from South Texas that only enlisted so he could go to college and doesn't have any particular love for cops, he could go to war with some small Texas town sheriff and it would be both a military battle and a PR battle

fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 16:07 (one month ago)

Is that Rebel Ridge, sort of?

UK resident, so not claiming any special expertise, but I think First Blood needs the emotive wallop of Vietnam to succeed.

I would prefer not to. (Chinaski), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 16:17 (one month ago)

yall Rambo-confused are overlooking the significance of Rambo's hair, which would 100% have been enough to draw the ire of small town cops, and in that context his status as a vet would just make them more mad: a vet who didnt present as permanently crewcut and ready for parade was lower than a hippie to rightwingers like that, more traitor than comrade. antiwar/antiestablishment veterans occupied a much bigger space in US discourse back then in a way they never have since. guys like Dennehy's character would have seen plenty of vets with the hair & affect of Rambo on tv spitting on the flag, denouncing the military, etc. his reaction to seeing one sulking down the street makes total sense.

waste of compute (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 16:18 (one month ago)

I'm gonna take that Congressional Medal of Honor and PIN IT TO HIS LIVER

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 16:20 (one month ago)

Yeah, a lot of WWII vets and proto-MAGA types blamed the loss of the Vietnam on drugged out undisciplined draftees.

Iza Duffus Hardy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 16:49 (one month ago)

First Blood set in 1993: Falling Down

imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 16:55 (one month ago)

First Blood needs the emotive wallop of Vietnam to succeed.

Rambo being a Vietnam vet was crucial because it meant he was an immovable moral object for the unstoppable police violence to spectacularly crash into.

fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 17:05 (one month ago)

Also thinking how First Blood came at the tail end of a period when very red state coded entertainment was also anti cop - outlaw country, Smokey & The Bandit

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 17:07 (one month ago)

Super interesting post, One Eye Open.

(Total aside, but First Blood feels like being in the Pacific Northwest / Rockies as much as any movie I've seen, enough that I've looked up the shooting location a number of times and would love to go to British Columbia to visit it.)

the way out of (Eazy), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 17:09 (one month ago)

Its an interesting moment in history, the waning of the era when the mainstream USA idea of “veteran” still allowed for a few different categories of sorting. The era of americans automatically considering all veterans as an untouchable secular-saint class really only began on 9/11.

waste of compute (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 17:12 (one month ago)

@daniel_rf yeah its super interesting how being anti establishment switched from being left- to right-coded in the states during that era.

waste of compute (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 17:17 (one month ago)

First Blood a bit like Dirty Harry in that David Morrell, Rambo novelist/creator, was essentially a liberal, as was Don Siegal, both v much viewing Harry/Rambo as chaotic outsiders battling an entrenched reactionary establishment. Easy enough to see how this could turn Reaganomic with just a slight change of focus/emphasis - especially if you’ve read J Hoberman’s The Dream Life.

Ward Fowler, Tuesday, 24 June 2025 17:18 (one month ago)

Good book, especially on paranoid thrillers.

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 17:23 (one month ago)

yall Rambo-confused are overlooking the significance of Rambo's hair, which would 100% have been enough to draw the ire of small town cops, and in that context his status as a vet would just make them more mad: a vet who didnt present as permanently crewcut and ready for parade was lower than a hippie to rightwingers like that, more traitor than comrade. antiwar/antiestablishment veterans occupied a much bigger space in US discourse back then in a way they never have since. guys like Dennehy's character would have seen plenty of vets with the hair & affect of Rambo on tv spitting on the flag, denouncing the military, etc. his reaction to seeing one sulking down the street makes total sense.

― waste of compute (One Eye Open)

to be blunter, in the 60s people hated guys with longhair because they thought longhaired guys wanted to be girls

in 2025 and probably in 1982 it's fucking idiotic to look at stallone with long hair and ask "are you a boy or are you a girl?" but people _absolutely fucking did_ in 1968

Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 18:44 (one month ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj8UxrnIcMM

sleeve, Tuesday, 24 June 2025 18:45 (one month ago)

to be blunter, in the 60s people hated guys with longhair because they thought longhaired guys wanted to be girls

this was also the dominant mindset in the US at least through the early 90s, possibly longer

fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 18:57 (one month ago)

Got a lot of mothers in a whirl

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 18:59 (one month ago)

The First Blood to Kurt Cobain connection!

the way out of (Eazy), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:00 (one month ago)

then ornaldo bloomps came and changed everything

five six seven, eight nine ten, begin (map), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:01 (one month ago)

there's definitely kind of a pipeline i think to where these kind of liberal ideas get coopted - the robert bly -> jordan peterson pipeline. the bly-era "men's movement" was fucked up and was based on _rampant_ cultural appropriation, and it was also very different from MGTOW.

i do think the evolution of people's thinking about vietnam is important. the punisher was originally created as a critique of mack bolan, the executioner, a right-wing power fantasy, and at the same time there is _still_ legit critique, beyond the left-right view, of how america treated vietnam vets. john kerry, i mean, not a great politician but he did get shit from, i hate to say it, "both sides" for serving and coming back and opposing the war. hugh romney's presidential ambitions cratered when he turned against vietnam.

one of the things i found most interesting about "the body keeps the score" was how it starts out by talking about vietnam vets, that a lot of our understandings of cPTSD is based on clinicians' experience with vietnam vets. the part that most people skip over is how much of vietnam veterans' trauma is about the things they _did_.

these men*, a lot of them were drafted, didn't choose. and they were trained to kill for their country, and they were thrown into this incredibly fucked up situation where it was very easy to do some incredibly fucked up things. i do think sometimes about Nguyễn Ngọc Loan, the police chief of what was then saigon. everyone knew that picture and video, the one of him shooting Nguyễn Văn Lém down like a dog in the street. it's even in the Monkees movie, during "Circle Sky". what strikes me about it is that it looked completely different to Eddie Adams than it did to the people in America. Eddie Adams always said that what Nguyễn Ngọc Loan did was completely justified. that's just how war fucking _is_. kill or be killed. and then he comes to america, he tries to make a life for himself, he opens a pizza parlor in new jersey, and people find out what he did, and there's this huge moral panic, this hate campaign, and he has to close the place down.

of course Nguyễn Ngọc Loan was a bastard. was he more of a bastard than any other cop? how the fuck are people supposed to live their lives after they have to do shitty, awful things to survive? after they have to see the most fucked up shit, shit they can't tell anybody about, shit people who haven't been through it can't possibly understand? when they've had to watch their friends, people they care about, die for no fucking reason, had to _know_ that anybody in their lives could die for no fucking reason, that _they_ could die for no fucking reason, and not be able to do anything about it?

"the body keeps the score" starts with vietnam vets, and it doesn't end there.

* i'm gonna generalize vietnam combat troops as men. i _have_ known trans women who served in vietnam before transitioning but the _vast_ majority of people who served were men

Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:07 (one month ago)

Blade Runner kinda tanked upon release, yeah? Probably the most important/influential film of '82

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:10 (one month ago)

The First Blood to Kurt Cobain connection!

― the way out of (Eazy)

you _know_ i have opinions lol

i think the shift was generational. i was born in '76 and i don't remember thinking that people with long hair were girls. an uncle of mine - great guy, just came from a more culturally conservative background - once saw me watching a Yeah Yeah Yeahs concert and asked me if Karen O was a boy or a girl, but that's the only time i actually saw anybody saying that before recently (the gender panic in the US has reached a pitch that longhaired guys are once again sometimes considered suspect).

Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:11 (one month ago)

Point taken, but I had a chuckle over Wavy Gravy's presidential ambitions. George Romney.

Briania, Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:12 (one month ago)

@andy:

fun fact: I was at the revival theater that unknowingly played the Director's Cut of Blade Runner for the first time (the print was considered lost or not even to exist) and we were all blown away by the end. Feel like that was my Woodstock.

imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:14 (one month ago)

but let me check wiki because my memory is known to be a little b0rk'd in the 2025 lol

imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:14 (one month ago)

ok yeah I need the backstory on that plz thx

sleeve, Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:15 (one month ago)

Several versions of Blade Runner have been shown. The original workprint version (1982, 113 minutes) was shown for audience test previews in Denver and Dallas in March 1982. Negative responses to the previews led to the modifications resulting in the U.S. theatrical version.[83][84] The workprint was shown as a director's cut without Scott's approval at the Los Angeles Fairfax Theater in May 1990, at an AMPAS showing in April 1991, and in September and October 1991 at the Los Angeles NuArt Theater and the San Francisco Castro Theatre.[85] Positive responses pushed the studio to approve work on an official director's cut.[86] A San Diego Sneak Preview was shown only once, in May 1982, and was almost identical to the U.S. theatrical version but contained three extra scenes not shown in any other version, including the 2007 Final Cut.[87]

imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:16 (one month ago)

so the theater had no idea beforehand? they just thought it was the regular version and it got sent to them by accident?

sleeve, Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:17 (one month ago)

First Blood >>>> Blade Runner (any version)

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:18 (one month ago)

first film was great, but the idea of 'john rambo' became a joke almost immediately after

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:20 (one month ago)

sleeve, you are talking to an old man who is trying to remember details from 35 years ago.

from what i recall there was absolutely no mention of the showing being an alternate cut and then when the bonus material (esp in the 3rd act) starting showing up that ultimately got trimmed it was evident that this was not the film we were accustomed to.

imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:22 (one month ago)

haha ty! that sounds awesome.

sleeve, Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:25 (one month ago)

first film was great, but the idea of 'john rambo' became a joke almost immediately after

― Andy the Grasshopper,

Imagine Stallone releasing Rambo and Rocky IV during the High Reagan Era.

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:28 (one month ago)

i haven't seen tootsie. idk, maybe i should. early 1980s takes on gender presentation were interesting. particularly the idea of the character hoffman plays being a _straight_ man, which isn't what happens in "la cage aux folles".

reading about it on wikipedia sent me to this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPAat-T1uhE

I HAVE SO MANY FUCKING FEELS. I have ALL the feels. i did go through the same stuff hoffman talks about, wanting to not do this unless i can pass - he's talking about passing as a cis woman. and even though he passes, he also wants to be beautiful and when he finds out he can't be a beautiful woman, he goes home and cries.

i do think i'm a beautiful woman. not, i don't know, in a _conventional_ sense. i pass, i'm not physically unattractive, and i think i'm beautiful. and i know that i'm also 49 years old and i have the body and face of a 49 year old woman. i have friends who've had what's called facial feminization surgery, FFS, for dysphoria, and i thought about it. and i decided against it personally because i don't _want_ to be more "conventionally" beautiful. i want to be treated like a pretty girl, though. even though the patriarchy treats pretty girls like objects, i don't want that specifically. i'm glad to be not treated like an object by default. and if i could have the face and body of a pretty 25-year-old, yeah, i would. a lot of why i'm single... i do have low self-esteem. i know there are lots of people who aren't attracted to me because i'm older, because i'm not as conventionally pretty as a lot of other people. i'm lonely.

and i think getting a perspective on that from dustin hoffman, who's a cisgender man, that's helpful to me.

Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:30 (one month ago)

Michael Dorsey learns to be a better man after playing a woman -- that's the candy-coated message for Academy voters.

The film's a non-stop zinger machine with one of the best supporting casts in a Hollywood comedy.

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:34 (one month ago)

yeah it's good!

sleeve, Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:35 (one month ago)

generational thinking, I dunno. think it's misleading more than useful. leads us to assume that people are dragged forward into new ways of thinking based on the year they were born when a plurality of them simply are not. the last few elections have shown there are large pockets of American society that have not changed a bit since the 1860s.

my big-city suburban high school in the early 90s I had long hair, and my peers were definitely angry about it. they assumed I was gay, or I wanted to be a girl, or I used long hair to GET girls, but I don't know how invested they were in these theories or if it just pissed them off one some non-verbal level that sometimes got poorly translated into words but usually was expressed by body-checking me in the hallway, pushing me down the stairs, or pouring Coke into my locker vents.

being asked "are you a boy or a girl" was rarely a genuine inquiry unless it was like a 75-year-old lady who was in fact more curious than anything else, it was a way of fucking with you. in simplest terms, long hair was strongly feminine-coded and so any man with long hair was marked - they cannot just have long hair, there had to be a reason. so you cannot leave them alone until you know why. naturally the police response was to treat it as disrespect for authority and be angry about it.

fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:36 (one month ago)

(My hair is curly and grows upward, so my long-haired 80s/90s period drew Eraserhead comparisons.)

the way out of (Eazy), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:40 (one month ago)

Steve Shasta, do you remember if the voiceover was in that BR cut you saw?

Some people thought it was pandering, but I sort of like it as a hardboiled, cornell woolrich kinda vibe

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:50 (one month ago)

I like the voiceover but Harrison Ford clearly did not

fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:51 (one month ago)

Never not great, this scene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnHqiipcw6g

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 24 June 2025 19:59 (one month ago)

SANDY

Well, good night, Michael. It was a wonderful party. My date left with someone else. I had a lot of fun. Do you have any Seconal?

MICHAEL

Come on. I’ll walk you home.

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 20:02 (one month ago)

generational thinking, I dunno. think it's misleading more than useful. leads us to assume that people are dragged forward into new ways of thinking based on the year they were born when a plurality of them simply are not. the last few elections have shown there are large pockets of American society that have not changed a bit since the 1860s.

"generational" i guess is the wrong word. it's more that when someone learns something, right or wrong, it can be difficult to unlearn it, to change those ingrained views. my oldest brother, for instance, who's two years younger than me, he had more internalized homophobia than me, and it's been a struggle for him.

my big-city suburban high school in the early 90s I had long hair, and my peers were definitely angry about it. they assumed I was gay, or I wanted to be a girl, or I used long hair to GET girls, but I don't know how invested they were in these theories or if it just pissed them off one some non-verbal level that sometimes got poorly translated into words but usually was expressed by body-checking me in the hallway, pushing me down the stairs, or pouring Coke into my locker vents.

― fluffy tufts university (f. hazel)

yeah that's the thing that's interesting to me, the whole... they used to call it "the third sex", the idea that homosexual guys were a different _gender_. and the reality is more complicated than that.

what hoffman says connects with me because of the way gender and sexuality are intertwined. in ancient rome the stigma wasn't about being "gay" but about _bottoming_, which you can see if you read catullus 16, and i think a lot of that patriarchal thinking is still with us. gender essentialism is in some way sexual essentialism. there's this division of labor, so to speak, in which men's purpose is to desire, and women's purpose is to be desired. what i like about cis male homosexuality is that it confounds those expectations. if a guy is gay, it's ok for him to be desirable. it's ok for him to be hot. and it makes sense that even if someone's a man, that they might express that through effeminacy.

Michael Dorsey learns to be a better man after playing a woman -- that's the candy-coated message for Academy voters.

― hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn)

i am impressed by that line at the end: "I was a better man with you as a woman than I ever was with a woman as a man." it's not for me so much about the binary, about looking at things from the "other side", but it is about empathy and understanding people different from you. which, because gender _isn't_ presentation, is possible for guys. it's why i'm in favor of guys wearing dresses, not just because a guy can look good, as a guy, in a dress if it's the right style and color for him, but because it's a pretty radical act of opposition to patriarchy, one of the most radical things a guy can actually do. and i understand why guys don't do that, because that has such hugely negative social consequences.

(My hair is curly and grows upward, so my long-haired 80s/90s period drew Eraserhead comparisons.)

― the way out of (Eazy)

lol, my first email handle was literally "eraserhead"... people used to confuse me with david lynch a _lot_.

Kate (rushomancy), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 20:14 (one month ago)

Steve Shasta, do you remember if the voiceover was in that BR cut you saw?

Some people thought it was pandering, but I sort of like it as a hardboiled, cornell woolrich kinda vibe

― Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, June 24, 2025 12:50 PM (one hour ago)

YES! sorry that was the first indication that things were awry.

imperial frfr (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 24 June 2025 21:11 (one month ago)

In 1987, a friend and I were sitting in a theater for the preview of an as-yet-unreleased comedy and talking about the state of film comedy at the time.

We lamented how few really funny comedies had come out in recent years--the last one we could come up with was Tootsie.

Then the light went down and we watched Raising Arizona.

Hideous Lump, Tuesday, 24 June 2025 21:47 (one month ago)

Between 1982 and 1987, my favorite comedies (or what could be classified as comedies) would've been:

Local Hero
It's a Good Life (from the Twilight Zone movie)
Stranger Than Paradise
Sherman's March
Lost in America
After Hours
Down by Law

Except for It's a Good Life and maybe Lost in America, I'm not sure if any of these would've been distributed outside of arthouse cinemas (e.g. the local multiplex, shopping malls, etc).

birdistheword, Tuesday, 24 June 2025 21:58 (one month ago)

I guess you're not a John Hughes fan? Those years cover his imperial phase.

o. nate, Friday, 27 June 2025 13:42 (one month ago)

Some key Woody Allen in there too (Broadway Danny Rose, Purple Rose of Cairo, Hannah & Her Sisters).

Lithium Just Madison (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 27 June 2025 13:45 (one month ago)

...and, ya know, Repo Man.

Lithium Just Madison (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 27 June 2025 13:46 (one month ago)

And continuing with Woody (and I understand not wanting to) Zelig is also in that window.

Lithium Just Madison (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 27 June 2025 13:52 (one month ago)

This looks like a good thread!

One of the things I miss most about this era is when especially blockbusters were re-released, so movies like ET, Raiders, at least the first two Star Wars movies, I remember seeing them multiple times in the theater, months apart.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 27 June 2025 13:54 (one month ago)

Stranger Than Paradise was my favorite then too, but Trading Places and Ruthless People were the all-out comedies I loved.

the way out of (Eazy), Friday, 27 June 2025 14:00 (one month ago)

Bill Pullman is a hoot in that one, iirc

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 27 June 2025 14:02 (one month ago)

I think we already discussed this a bit upthread, but E.T. really did take its time making its way to home video. I think I first saw it during one of its several theatrical re-issues, around '86 or '87.

Disney took advantage of this as well: I saw Snow White, The Jungle Book, Lady and the Tramp, and 101 Dalmations in theatres, back when (I think) they were still unavailable on VHS, plus I saw Song of the South during which I'm almost certain was its last official release in '86.

cryptosicko, Friday, 27 June 2025 14:02 (one month ago)

Trading Places and Ruthless People were the all-out comedies I loved.

^^Fantastic examples of two rising '80s trends: the ZAZ team and the SNL extended family.

Lithium Just Madison (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 27 June 2025 14:06 (one month ago)

I'm still amazed my parents took us to see Ruthless People in theatres.

cryptosicko, Friday, 27 June 2025 14:07 (one month ago)

I'm still amazed Mick Jagger, Daryl Hall, and Dave Stewart coughed this out:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cohCR3rUh0

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 June 2025 14:08 (one month ago)

Are animated opening credit sequences another thing that died with the 80s?

cryptosicko, Friday, 27 June 2025 14:11 (one month ago)

The whole Ruthless People soundtrack is prime coke-era CBS Records deal-making: Jagger solo theme; exclusives from Springsteen & Joel etc.

Lithium Just Madison (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 27 June 2025 14:13 (one month ago)

^^Apparently the Joel wasn't an exclusive, but it's single release was tied into the film.

Lithium Just Madison (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 27 June 2025 14:20 (one month ago)

lolz at the quaintness of the wealth lusted after in Ruthless People:

Beverly Hills fashion tycoon Sam Stone despises his wife, Barbara, having married her for her family wealth, and plans to murder her so he can inherit her $15 million fortune and retire with his mistress Carol.

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...Ken and Sandy to take revenge by blackmailing him for his entire personal fortune worth over $2.2 million.

Lithium Just Madison (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 27 June 2025 14:35 (one month ago)

https://i.imgur.com/J2LiAeh.png

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 June 2025 14:40 (one month ago)

unironically believe Rocky iii to be the best movie that ive seen from these

tootsie is actually bad-bad once he starts playing tootsie tbh

tuah dé danann (darraghmac), Friday, 27 June 2025 22:35 (one month ago)

luckily nobody has ever done a crime for a figure as paltry as 15 mill

i got bao-yu babe (Noodle Vague), Friday, 27 June 2025 22:36 (one month ago)

tootsie is actually bad-bad once he starts playing tootsie tbh

― tuah dé danann (darraghmac),

Alright, you just shut your mouth. When you talk to me, you talk to me professionally. I’m very proud of being a woman. But I’m also proud of this hospital.

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 27 June 2025 22:42 (one month ago)

Missed the above but I do like Broadway Danny Rose, one of Allen’s best. The others from then are okay, but not favorites for me.

I was never a big fan of John Hughes but some I think are okay.

birdistheword, Friday, 27 June 2025 23:10 (one month ago)

Actually looking at Hughes’s filmography now, I can’t say I’m a fan at all. After he stopped directing, he went on to write one dismal film after another.

birdistheword, Friday, 27 June 2025 23:15 (one month ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.

System, Sunday, 29 June 2025 00:01 (one month ago)

No one's even mentioned the big prestige Oscar bait drama and critical favorite of that year, On Golden Pond. Now that I mention it, it wasn't very memorable or compelling.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 29 June 2025 00:06 (one month ago)

One of the things I miss most about this era is when especially blockbusters were re-released, so movies like ET, Raiders, at least the first two Star Wars movies, I remember seeing them multiple times in the theater, months apart.

I was 7 the first time I saw Star Wars, and subsequently went to see it again (all in theaters) for both my 8th and 9th birthdays.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 29 June 2025 02:30 (one month ago)

From what I remember - I too have read First Blood's Wikipedia article - the backstory is that Brian Dennehy's character was a veteran of the Korean War, who despised Rambo for being a slovenly, self-pitying waste of space. He was also annoyed that Korea had completely forgotten. It's one of those classic 1980s-but-not-quite-the-1980s films, like Videodrome.

ET was the first film I saw at the cinema. I was six! It's one of those films that burned brightly for a while but seemed to fade out of the collective cultural consciousness after a while. There was a sequel novel, from what I remember. But no franchise. The next time I saw it was in 1990, when it was first shown on UK television. It was the BBC's big Christmas film that year. I remember thinking that the film still held up but wasn't as good as Robocop (which had squibs) or The Hunger (which had pubic hair).

Unbelievably the BBC's 1990 showing was apparently the world television premiere. It wasn't show on television in the United States until 1991. Obviously by that time everybody had seen it on videotape, but the thought of a film taking nine years to go from the cinema to home viewing is strange. Imagine if Captain America: Civil War was making its TV debut this year.

I have to admit that I lost touch with mainstream terrestrial television many years ago. I have no idea if terrestrial film premieres are still a thing or not. Presumably mainstream TV still gets millions of viewers, but the thought of people waiting nine years to watch Avengers: Endgame at home is mind-boggling.

Ashley Pomeroy, Sunday, 29 June 2025 20:34 (one month ago)

Went for First Blood, just ahead of Conan..

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 29 June 2025 20:35 (one month ago)

1982 was right around the time my parents separated, so we went to a lot of movies with my dad on the weekends. I definitely saw Conan the Barbarian, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial, First Blood and Tootsie in theaters. Also The Road Warrior, which I guess wasn't a #1 hit but which was the greatest thing an 11-year-old could ever imagine.

Conan and First Blood are the two from this list that I would willingly re-watch right now, so I'm torn between them.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Sunday, 29 June 2025 20:51 (one month ago)

Nice discussion of First Blood's politics:

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First Blood's politics are confusing. I think Dennehy is a small-minded cop, protecting his town; he's worried about hippie vagrants and Rambo's veteran status means little to him. Overall, it's pro-military; Troutman's pride is played straight, and Rambo's whole schtick is 'can we do it again so we can win this time?'. The series picks up that thread and runs with it.

― I would prefer not to. (Chinaski)

True, though in First Blood its a v diff product. You have the finest military product, made with US tax dollars, totally breaking down to waging war on its own people. That's what marks this film as really interesting. He was never going to kill any civilians, but there's a few hours of terror, which feels anti-military. Might be a watch at a time when the National Guard and military is called in and you see the prospect of serious violence between the government and the people.

Dennehy ofc didn't know Rambo was an ex-military war hero until Rambo escaped and ended up killing a cop. They would never have checked unless their own brand of small town brutality backfired xp

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 29 June 2025 20:52 (one month ago)

Conan and Modern Problems are the only two on the list I haven't seen. Tempted to amend that right now, but neither are streaming anywhere I can access at the moment.

cryptosicko, Sunday, 29 June 2025 21:20 (one month ago)

the dreamlike incoherency of conan adds an awful lot to it imo

tuah dé danann (darraghmac), Sunday, 29 June 2025 22:04 (one month ago)

the dreamlike incoherence of modern problems doesn't add as much to it iirc

the way out of (Eazy), Sunday, 29 June 2025 22:07 (one month ago)

Nell Carter does tho

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 29 June 2025 22:08 (one month ago)

Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.

System, Monday, 30 June 2025 00:01 (one month ago)

We didn't discuss Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan enough.

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 June 2025 00:37 (one month ago)

aka Star Trek II: Ricardo's Pectorals

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 30 June 2025 00:53 (one month ago)

love this interview

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxxSzt49cYw

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 30 June 2025 00:56 (one month ago)

Power to the three stealth Porky's voters

winter light controversy (Matt #2), Monday, 30 June 2025 01:15 (one month ago)

xp Nice interview. Good shout-out there to Nicholas Meyer too. He had a pretty good little run from writing The 7 Percent Solution to writing/directing Time After Time and then making STII.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Monday, 30 June 2025 01:20 (one month ago)

I like Khan well enough, but better than E.T. or Tootise?!

cryptosicko, Monday, 30 June 2025 02:19 (one month ago)

I think I forgot to vote in this. I was stuck between ET and Sunset Strip. Probably would have gone for ET.

I've seen it with both kids as they turned 7 and it's the perfect movie. There's not a whole lot of cuteness in there, almost everything is suffused with some sort of dread or awkwardness. ET is not conventionally attractive in any universe; it blows my mind how much merchandising was centered around a cross between a ham and a vermicious knid.

Cow_Art, Monday, 30 June 2025 02:48 (one month ago)


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