What Are Zohran Mamdani's Flaws?

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Have at it.

jaymc, Tuesday, 8 July 2025 17:43 (seven months ago)

https://mamdanitimes.com/

sleeve, Tuesday, 8 July 2025 17:45 (seven months ago)

Hasn't become mayor yet.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Tuesday, 8 July 2025 17:49 (seven months ago)

He gives off a short-guy vibe. But plenty of mayors are short. I think he'll be a good mayor of NYC, and everyone who hates him (thus far) is a gaping asshole. That can't be a coincidence.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 8 July 2025 17:53 (seven months ago)

sharp knees

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 8 July 2025 17:57 (seven months ago)

Let's save this for when he becomes and Mayor and calls in the cops anyway...

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 8 July 2025 18:03 (seven months ago)

I can’t wait for the titch-off when he meets Sadiq Khan.

einstürzende louboutin (suzy), Tuesday, 8 July 2025 18:04 (seven months ago)

NYC mayor's effectiveness, for better or worse, is reversely proportional to their height, so maybe that's for the best.

dan selzer, Tuesday, 8 July 2025 18:13 (seven months ago)

convinced his mom to not direct a harry potter film, potentially costing her life-changing money.

then again, he was probably playing 4d chess and already thinking about fending off nepo baby allegations

gestures broadly at...everything (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 8 July 2025 18:40 (seven months ago)

He's never once appeared nude.

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 July 2025 18:47 (seven months ago)

November seems like a long ways off, but that isn’t his fault.

Clever Message Board User Name (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 8 July 2025 18:47 (seven months ago)

OR IS IT

sleeve, Tuesday, 8 July 2025 18:48 (seven months ago)

😂

Clever Message Board User Name (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 8 July 2025 18:48 (seven months ago)

not my husband

Murgatroid, Tuesday, 8 July 2025 19:00 (seven months ago)

Let's save this for when he becomes and Mayor and calls in the cops anyway...

This is the real answer — Mamdani's biggest flaw is that he's running for mayor of a gigantic city, and that job comes with built-in constraints. He will absolutely still use the police for a lot of things, even if he manages to create his Department of Community Safety and disband the protest-response squad (both of which he's promised). A lot of people want the cops to come when they call. You can argue that they shouldn't want that, but a lot of them do.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 8 July 2025 19:16 (seven months ago)

Also of course NYPD will try to make his life miserable. That's not a flaw, but it's a reality.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 8 July 2025 19:17 (seven months ago)

Textbook example being the full-fledged riot led by Rudy Giuliani against Dinkins.

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 July 2025 19:18 (seven months ago)

Gives off a bit of a Lin Manuel Miranda vibe

Iza Duffus Hardy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 8 July 2025 19:28 (seven months ago)

too handsome.

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 8 July 2025 19:44 (seven months ago)

max read had a quote in one of his recent newsletters about the police issue from a Matthew Guariglia:

THERE ARE A FEW LESSONS that Mamdani can learn from how the NYPD stymied de Blasio. People on the right are going to blast him for being soft on crime no matter what he does. But Mamdani has the ability to flip the script on them. Advocates of the status quo, unwilling to try innovative methods of community safety and crime prevention, are the ones who permit the persistence of crime. After all, the failed ways of “fighting crime” are about putting people in jail after committing crimes. A new public-safety paradigm centers on preventing it in the first place.
Mamdani can also emphasize officer well-being and workloads by creating agencies willing to take some of the “burden” away by taking on tasks armed police should not be doing in the first place. He can be proactive about copaganda: police will be eager to link crime to a progressive mayor even if they have to manufacture a “crime wave” to do it. The future mayor’s office should be constantly vocal about how low crime is, what the city is doing to make people feel safe and prevent crime, and should not be afraid to say when police are engaged in creating a politically-motivated narrative of fear.
Another lesson is for New Yorkers, not Mamdani. That's to refuse to panic.

I think making it a value proposition for the police is canny, but it's an uphill battle and this analysis is mostly right. It's not that left-wing policies are causing supposed crime waves, it's selective policing done in the purpose of discrediting a mayor that the police union views as their adversary. Maybe getting ahead of that helps, maybe it backfires and the PD demands you kiss the ring and continue giving them unlimited overtime pay. This problem isn't specific to large cities, and I feel like that levy has to break at some point.

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Tuesday, 8 July 2025 19:44 (seven months ago)

if you just execute one cop in front of the rest of them theyll fall in line

lag∞n, Tuesday, 8 July 2025 21:19 (seven months ago)

They are scavenging his twitter and its truth nukes day and night back in the day.

The West is defined by its most powerful while the rest by our most vulnerable. This shit pisses me off.

— Zohran Kwame Mamdani (@ZohranKMamdani) July 16, 2014

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 8 July 2025 21:49 (seven months ago)

that's my guy

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 8 July 2025 22:47 (seven months ago)

I want to marry him

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 July 2025 22:48 (seven months ago)

will this doom his chances

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 8 July 2025 22:48 (seven months ago)

https://t.co/SWOuKnn88O pic.twitter.com/ad7zvamviE

— Franklin Leonard (@franklinleonard) July 8, 2025

Iza Duffus Hardy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 8 July 2025 22:54 (seven months ago)

So weird!

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 10 July 2025 21:20 (seven months ago)

So basically the problem is that they're are too many rock solid, logical reasons why people should vote for him and not one of the brazenly corrupt assholes that are running against him.

birdistheword, Thursday, 10 July 2025 23:27 (seven months ago)

*there are

birdistheword, Thursday, 10 July 2025 23:27 (seven months ago)

https://archive.ph/sYAOl

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 13 July 2025 20:56 (seven months ago)

New Data for Progress poll:

Mamdani 40
Cuomo 24
Adams 15
Sliwa 14

https://www.filesforprogress.org/datasets/2025/7/dfp_nyc_mayoral_ge_traditional_crosstabs.pdf

jaymc, Monday, 14 July 2025 14:43 (seven months ago)

Sickos.jpg

Even Trump’s team was smart enough to realize he had to co-opt RFK jr. in order not to split his vote.

Black Sabaoth (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 14 July 2025 14:48 (seven months ago)

not excited to see how low the Democratic Party is willing to go to sideline Mamdani

fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Monday, 14 July 2025 15:01 (seven months ago)

incredible opportunity to tee off on the very unpopular dem establishment send this nasty old man to hell

Cuomo said he would make affordability a cornerstone of his general-election campaign but would run on the notion that he will actually be able to make the city more affordable while Mamdani will only talk about it. “It’s about not just connecting with the perception of the problem. It’s finding the real solution and then having the ability to do it. You don’t want someone who just connects. That’s step one. What you really want is the problem-solver, and I can actually do that.”

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/nyc-mayor-race-andrew-cuomo-on-rematch-with-zohran-mamdani.html

lag∞n, Tuesday, 15 July 2025 12:33 (six months ago)

No means no, amirite

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 15 July 2025 12:40 (six months ago)

A "No Means No, Andrew" campaign is a good thought. Instead of engaging with him directly, just brand him as a loser who also happens to be a sex pest.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 15 July 2025 14:07 (six months ago)

The ads the Cuomo campaign used to recruit the actors used in the ad are already showing up on social media.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 15 July 2025 14:30 (six months ago)

The Democratic Party always reminds me of Brecht’s joke after some East German apparatchik said the government had lost confidence in the people: “we should dissolve the people and elect another, then.”

Black Sabaoth (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 15 July 2025 14:31 (six months ago)

When I was in Chicago, I tried to do a news story on Scott Waguespack for my school. This would've been my first time writing a political news story and he was running against Theodore Matlak, a complete waste of space hand-picked by Mayor Daley for the 32nd ward. These were both white males, but nonetheless the dynamic had strong similarities to Mamdani vs. Cuomo. A faculty member helping me out showed me how to look up campaign finances, and he immediately said "oh man, this poor guy's going to get creamed" when the data came up because Matlak had an enormous amount of money compared to Waguespack. Matlak was supposed to have a safe seat but this was a year when a lot of people had enough - Waguespack was clearly the grass roots upstart, so Daley's machine quickly put together the kind of campaign you're seeing with Cuomo, albeit circa 2007 (i.e. before technology re-shaped the tactics). I could go more into details but it was a sobering, thorough lesson in how unrepentantly corrupt local politics can be, in the way they operated and the way they campaigned. It wasn't even that sophisticated, so much of it was stupidly and blatantly dishonest, and the attitude was sort of "yeah, it's obvious, but it works." Anyway, I eventually went to Matlak's office, which had some of the nicest and sweetest people working there, all in their early 20's (visually not unlike Obama's campaign which was defined by youthful optimism) and I was naive to think "man, these people may actually believe in this guy and I'm actually working on a story about his blatant dishonesty." The "interview" turned out to be shit - after making cordial, pleasant conversation with the campaign manager, as soon as I started recording, she turned into a fucking robot and would only repeat pre-scripted lines trying to push the same false information they put out in a press release (that Waguespack was under investigation) and completely ignoring any question I asked. When I left, a campaign worked offered to give me a ride, and during our chat, it turned out everyone in that office was hired virtually overnight to work in that office - none of them had any personal connection to Matlak, they were all hired from a firm that just does these things. It was a stark contrast to people I spoke to campaigning for Waguespack who were clearly neighborhood locals who would be directly impacted by the election. The guy who told me this was just really green about what he was doing - he was still figuring out what to do after college and took this job with the firm to make some money in the interim. (FWIW, the investigation scam worked like this: Matlak had strong ties to someone on Berwyn's city council, and Waguepsack had been the city administrator and chief of staff to Berwyn. To open an investigation, or really initiate a process to determine whether an investigation was needed, the council just needs one person to put that motion forward, not vote or explanation needed - you can guess who put that motion forward. When I asked him for more details, he went into ridiculous circles, and I just flat out said, "tbh, it doesn't sound like there's anything going on here" to which he replied with a straight face "that's why we need an investigation!")

The happy ending I didn't expect: Waguespack won, by a measly 121 votes, a reflection of how bad things were for Daley that year, relatively speaking. Waguespack's still there today and still the guy you expect him to be - he was actually one of the very few people who vote against that shitty parking deal that was Daley's parting shot to the city.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 15 July 2025 17:52 (six months ago)

*no vote or explanation needed

Should add one important detail: I never got the story published because I couldn't get an interview with Waguespack's campaign, even though the story was clearly in their favor. I'm guessing it was because they had a small operation that was stretched very thin (again, they had very little money compared to Matlak's campaign) and granting an interview with a school newspaper wasn't considered a good use of their time, but it was frustrating as hell. They kept referring to a statement they already put out a week prior, thinking that was enough - I think I got only 2, maybe 3 emails from them and they amounted to one sentence each - but I kept explaining it wasn't.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 15 July 2025 18:29 (six months ago)

Reminds me of the infamous phrase "We don't want nobody nobody sent".

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 15 July 2025 18:41 (six months ago)

incredible opportunity to tee off on the very unpopular dem establishment send this nasty old man to hell

Cuomo said he would make affordability a cornerstone of his general-election campaign but would run on the notion that he will actually be able to make the city more affordable while Mamdani will only talk about it. “It’s about not just connecting with the perception of the problem. It’s finding the real solution and then having the ability to do it. You don’t want someone who just connects. That’s step one. What you really want is the problem-solver, and I can actually do that.”

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/nyc-mayor-race-andrew-cuomo-on-rematch-with-zohran-mamdani.html🕸

realized i omitted the punchline

So what would he do on housing affordability? “There is no real answer,” he said.

lag∞n, Tuesday, 15 July 2025 20:57 (six months ago)

A Reformer with Results

Iza Duffus Hardy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 15 July 2025 21:03 (six months ago)

....bad ones!

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 15 July 2025 21:29 (six months ago)

our lad is on it have no fear

https://bsky.app/profile/zohrankmamdani.bsky.social/post/3ltz2bot2pc2u

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 15 July 2025 22:27 (six months ago)

My brother's union endorsed him today.

If you have IG, you can see him in this story with the hat and orange glasses.

https://www.instagram.com/stories/dc37nyc/3677482450139167667

whimsical skeedaddler (Moodles), Wednesday, 16 July 2025 05:07 (six months ago)

https://i.imgur.com/DyxcBqQ.png

adamt (abanana), Wednesday, 16 July 2025 05:36 (six months ago)

By the time I saw that, the parenthetical had been changed to "if You Want a Foil for Republicans." And I was like, "sure, sounds good!" Had to read the article to see that Stephens thought it was a bad thing.

jaymc, Wednesday, 16 July 2025 15:24 (six months ago)

if you wanna help Republicans
gotta hang with Zohran
make it last forever
friendship never ends

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 16 July 2025 15:28 (six months ago)

Ziga Ziga Zohran

Iza Duffus Hardy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 16 July 2025 15:39 (six months ago)

i like how the Democrats and the Labour Party are in competition for who can make their party name the most grimly ironic

baka mitai guy (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 16 July 2025 15:54 (six months ago)

Among the many obnoxious things about the anti-Zohran rhetoric is that it tends to ignore or brush past that in order to NOT vote for him, you're asking people to vote for a sexual harasser, an indicted crook, or lol Curtis Sliwa. His popularity does not exist in a vacuum! It's insulting to ask people to support anyone else on the ballot.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 16 July 2025 18:49 (six months ago)

true

lag∞n, Wednesday, 16 July 2025 20:10 (six months ago)

https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2025/07/JULY16.P1_LCF.jpg

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 16 July 2025 22:50 (six months ago)

lol
Give me more

Black Sabaoth (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 16 July 2025 22:53 (six months ago)

this is good as well... via Salon

Arizona’s 7th Congressional District is nearly 2,400 miles from New York City. Still, the New York Times found a way to take shots at NYC mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani over a recent primary election in the border-hugging district.

Like Mamdani, Adelita Grijalva won the Democratic nomination for an upcoming election in the district. The seat in the House was previously held by her late father, Raul Grijalva. Tuesday’s primary pitted the younger Grijalva against progressive activist Deja Foxx. Grijalva won the endorsement of left-of-center stars like Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y. and Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt. Foxx garnered the support of former DNC Vice Chair David Hogg.

Foxx raked in just 21% of the vote, compared to Grijalva’s 62%. The Grey Lady painted Grijalva’s victory as an establishment victory.

“The Mamdani momentum withered in the deserts of southern Arizona on Tuesday night,” Jack Healy, the Times’ national correspondent, wrote.

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 16 July 2025 22:55 (six months ago)

Ha ha yeah they did a story on that race a few weeks ago that was framed like—is this the next Mamdani race? Uh no. Raul Grijalva was the kind of congressman who showed up on Democracy Now all the time.

Iza Duffus Hardy (President Keyes), Wednesday, 16 July 2025 23:45 (six months ago)

trying to frame it as “voters pick legacy name over upstarts” is super funny. do politicians have policy stances or not?

ɥɯ ︵ (°□°) (mh), Thursday, 17 July 2025 02:03 (six months ago)

lol this video is great
https://bsky.app/profile/cassiewillson.bsky.social/post/3lekyenmt7k2l

jaymc, Friday, 18 July 2025 14:18 (six months ago)

Wu-Tang brought Zohran onstage at MSG last nigth.

Iza Duffus Hardy (President Keyes), Friday, 18 July 2025 14:21 (six months ago)

uh, night

Iza Duffus Hardy (President Keyes), Friday, 18 July 2025 14:21 (six months ago)

Number one spice baby

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Friday, 18 July 2025 14:44 (six months ago)

Post-pillow company getting Hogg certified is an anti-endorsement IMO.

Lady Sovereign (Citizen) (milo z), Friday, 18 July 2025 15:04 (six months ago)

wut

Iza Duffus Hardy (President Keyes), Friday, 18 July 2025 15:05 (six months ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQVsVNPkPmE

Cos I'm 85 years old
85 years gold
85 years with my family on my back so
Outlast everybody, all my fuckin haters
Don't know me now then you'll never know me later

I fucking love this so much.

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Friday, 18 July 2025 15:14 (six months ago)

trolling the NY Post about his trip to Uganda >>>

that's not my post, Sunday, 20 July 2025 15:14 (six months ago)

https://bsky.app/profile/zohrankmamdani.bsky.social/post/3lufp7ztaes2z

that's not my post, Sunday, 20 July 2025 15:17 (six months ago)

lol

Yes it sure is a mystery how this likable, smart guy who’s objectively good at politics has performed better than expected.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 20 July 2025 15:31 (six months ago)

*ned flanders voice* Isn't this a lot like that movie 8 Mile?

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 20 July 2025 15:38 (six months ago)

https://bsky.app/profile/zohrankmamdani.bsky.social/post/3lufp7ztaes2z

― that's not my post, Sunday, July 20, 2025 11:17 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

hes too good man

lag∞n, Sunday, 20 July 2025 17:18 (six months ago)

you can tell hes a true new yorker because he loves to make up his own post headlines

lag∞n, Sunday, 20 July 2025 17:19 (six months ago)

WU-TANG FOREVER 👐🏽 pic.twitter.com/tEKXnSPmBp

— Zohran Kwame Mamdani (@ZohranKMamdani) July 24, 2025

Iza Duffus Hardy (President Keyes), Friday, 25 July 2025 02:29 (six months ago)

lol i love how rza needs to repeat everything zohran just said to the rest of the room as if he's translating from a foreign language, even though it's basically the same words

Tracer Hand, Friday, 25 July 2025 11:28 (six months ago)

two weeks pass...

Mamdani 44
Cuomo 25
Sliwa 12
Adams 7

https://patch.com/new-york/washington-heights-inwood/s/jjc29/mamdani-leading-nyc-mayor-race-by-nearly-20-points-new-poll-finds

lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 August 2025 11:56 (six months ago)

City voters under 35 are overwhelmingly supporting Mamdani, as are a plurality of voters 35-54 percent, however, voters 55 and older back Cuomo over Mamdani, 38-32 percent.

I don't remember the results of the last poll, but is he closing the gap with the over 55's?

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 August 2025 12:07 (six months ago)

wild that the guy who is mayor can only get 7% thats a really bad mayor

lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 August 2025 13:05 (six months ago)

His haters are his waiters — waiting for him to leave.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 13 August 2025 13:10 (six months ago)

At times I’m a studio conveyer
Eric Adams was a shifty fucking Mayor

New Jack Cutie (President Keyes), Wednesday, 13 August 2025 13:27 (six months ago)

he’s the worst mayor. he’s the best mayor in some kind of surreal comedy sketch show

ivy., Wednesday, 13 August 2025 13:31 (six months ago)

lol "shifty" spellcheck

New Jack Cutie (President Keyes), Wednesday, 13 August 2025 14:22 (six months ago)

Honestly Adams is certainly the funniest mayor NYC has had in my lifetime. It’s like he’s a cartoon of weirdness and corruption

czech hunter biden's laptop (the table is the table), Wednesday, 13 August 2025 14:43 (six months ago)

he really is

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 13 August 2025 14:45 (six months ago)

yeah they should give him some pretend government job so he can continue to go on tv to make bizarre pronouncements

lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 August 2025 19:04 (six months ago)

I saw some liberal on twitter pushing all this conspiracy stuff about Zohran's property in Uganda. Seems like the anti-Mamdani forces are going with: a) He says he's a socialist but he's rich b) he's African c) But not African enough to check a box on an admission form d) globalize the intifada yada yada don dadda

New Jack Cutie (President Keyes), Wednesday, 13 August 2025 19:46 (six months ago)

This is very po-faced but I am very anti “let’s hold up this buffoonish Black person as an endless target of mockery”* primarily because my experience as a Black American tell me it’s eventually going to make someone think it’s okay to treat me the same way

* unless it’s Terrence Howard, fuck that guy

my favorite herbs are fennel and Drake (DJP), Wednesday, 13 August 2025 19:46 (six months ago)

lol doc c

Nancy Makes Posts (sic), Wednesday, 13 August 2025 19:54 (six months ago)

fwiw DJP, I don’t think of Adams as an endless target of mockery, i actually genuinely think he is hilarious and a total weirdo, but he is also corrupt as hell and bad for the city.

czech hunter biden's laptop (the table is the table), Wednesday, 13 August 2025 22:13 (six months ago)

Similar to Trump, he’s shitty but in a slightly more interesting way

Crispy Ambulance Chaser (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 13 August 2025 22:56 (six months ago)

like this is fucking hysterical imho

https://www.facebook.com/share/v/17791TUpdK/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

czech hunter biden's laptop (the table is the table), Wednesday, 13 August 2025 23:00 (six months ago)

i mean hes def a buffoon held up for mockery but yeah it is high level buffoonery

lag∞n, Wednesday, 13 August 2025 23:51 (six months ago)

skin-tight buffoonery, as they say

czech hunter biden's laptop (the table is the table), Thursday, 14 August 2025 01:07 (six months ago)

It's not a real Eric Adams press conference video if they don't show him walking out to his intro Alicia Keys/Jay Z theme

kind of tempted to rewatch the one where he unveils the new NYC garbage receptacles -- that can be picked up by an automated truck! that one's kind of a "lol, NYC" one underneath the special sauce

slowly imploding (mh), Thursday, 14 August 2025 13:52 (six months ago)

nyc losing its core identity "trash city usa", sad

lag∞n, Thursday, 14 August 2025 13:55 (six months ago)

my friends took a trip to NYC recently and had told their daughter about how they had rats there. apparently if you have the hawk-like eyes of a child, you might spot 1 - 2 rats per subway station! she was thrilled by this "spot the rats" game. she was also shown the pizza rat video and was very enthusiastic

slowly imploding (mh), Thursday, 14 August 2025 13:57 (six months ago)

I didn't see any subway rats the last couple times I was in the city but I wasn't looking and lack child-like perception. sad.

slowly imploding (mh), Thursday, 14 August 2025 13:58 (six months ago)

pizza rat local hero

lag∞n, Thursday, 14 August 2025 13:58 (six months ago)

my niece from california is obsessed with pizza rat. and pigeons. was very excited to see both on her visit. on her second visit managed to win a pizza rat stuffy at pt pleasant boardwalk.

dan selzer, Thursday, 14 August 2025 13:59 (six months ago)

omg pizza rat stuffy

slowly imploding (mh), Thursday, 14 August 2025 14:00 (six months ago)

wonder how many pizza rat tattoos there are out there

lag∞n, Thursday, 14 August 2025 14:01 (six months ago)

One of my favorite NYC experiences was being in a station (I think 96th and Broadway) when suddenly one young woman yelled really loudly in alarm. Everyone in the station turned to look toward her to see what was wrong. She was pointing down at the tracks and yelped, "A RAT!" Everyone started cracking up. It was kind of sweet, like seeing someone's baptism. Welcome to New York!

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 14 August 2025 14:02 (six months ago)

https://i.imgur.com/PYtT0hl.jpeg

lag∞n, Thursday, 14 August 2025 14:02 (six months ago)

What other city would invent “the trash can” but New York baybeeee let’s go Mets

Crispy Ambulance Chaser (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 14 August 2025 14:03 (six months ago)

i've seen more rats in Boston's subway stations than NYC

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Thursday, 14 August 2025 14:23 (six months ago)

I've seen more rats at a Miami-Dade commission meeting.

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 14 August 2025 14:25 (six months ago)

real walking down 2nd st in manhattan on trash day and the bags were shaking with rat activity

lag∞n, Thursday, 14 August 2025 14:34 (six months ago)

also accidentally kicking a rat classic ny experience

lag∞n, Thursday, 14 August 2025 14:35 (six months ago)

saw you in a rag
kicking a rat

New Jack Cutie (President Keyes), Thursday, 14 August 2025 14:36 (six months ago)

1-2-PIZ-ZA

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 14 August 2025 14:41 (six months ago)

I will say NY rats don’t fear people. When I saw a rat in the Watergate parking garage in DC it was more scared of me as I was of it.

Crispy Ambulance Chaser (Boring, Maryland), Thursday, 14 August 2025 14:42 (six months ago)

https://i.ibb.co/fdt2ZQXg/Gy-Qw5-Dx-W0-AENCo-P.jpg

glumdalclitch, Thursday, 14 August 2025 15:14 (six months ago)

oh

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 14 August 2025 15:16 (six months ago)

1. lol
2. yeah, no

sleeve, Thursday, 14 August 2025 15:18 (six months ago)

classic new york city exceptionalism not knowing that almost all mayors are bad

lag∞n, Thursday, 14 August 2025 15:20 (six months ago)

new yorker: nothin like getting a famous bacon egg and cheese sandwich and enjoying my weird bad mayor in the only place its possible to do that

lag∞n, Thursday, 14 August 2025 15:22 (six months ago)

real walking down 2nd st in manhattan on trash day and the bags were shaking with rat activity

I used to ride the F train home after working evening shifts. Because of where I was going to get off, I always lined up to be in the front car. That meant when we pulled into 49th Street, the doors opened onto the very end of the platform, where all the trash bags from the whole day (from the station and surroundings, I guess) were piled up to be picked up by the garbage train. The door would open and that whole pile of bags was just feet away from me, and they were just alive with activity, like a whole village of rats in there tumbling around. Had a sort of Lovecraft vibe.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 14 August 2025 15:24 (six months ago)

yeah the rats are goin nuts in there

lag∞n, Thursday, 14 August 2025 15:25 (six months ago)

btw nothin like waiting a while for the subway late at night one approaches and its the fuckin trash train, just throw me in there baby

lag∞n, Thursday, 14 August 2025 15:27 (six months ago)

For real, always such a letdown.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 14 August 2025 15:30 (six months ago)

you know, many do not realize that the creator of the term Pizza Rat posts on this very message board

Stage 1: The post

SEPT 21, 1 a.m.: M4tt L1ttl3, an actor and comedian in New York, films a rat carrying a piece of pizza down the stairs in a Manhattan subway station.

1 p.m.: Twelve hours later, L1ttl3 posts a clip of the video to Instagram and tweets a link, which racks up an unusual number of faves. Realizing that people really like this dumb rat, he uploads a copy to YouTube, too.

Pizza Rat takes over the Internet

2:40 p.m.: The video is spotted by Gawker’s J0rd4n S4rg3nt, who writes a post about it. (Headline: “Pizza Rat, Pizza Rat, I Love You.”)

to be fair, i didn't "spot" it -- the guy sent it to the gawker tips email. however i was the first one online to post it and did coin the phrase Pizza Rat. this is by far the thing about my career that delights strangers the most.

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 14 August 2025 16:25 (six months ago)

!

jaymc, Thursday, 14 August 2025 16:28 (six months ago)

!!!

also, great headline, shame that didn't travel with the meme

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 14 August 2025 16:30 (six months ago)

damn legends do walk among us

lag∞n, Thursday, 14 August 2025 16:35 (six months ago)

good claim to fame, hope you're considering "birthed pizza rat" for an epitaph

she freaks, she speaks (map), Thursday, 14 August 2025 16:39 (six months ago)

also, great headline, shame that didn't travel with the meme

― Doctor Casino, Thursday, August 14, 2025 12:30 PM (twenty minutes ago)

thank you doctor casino. the thing i'm actually most proud of is framing the post as something other than the "this rat is so us!!" type humor that was big at the time and inevitably came in the wake of its virality

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 14 August 2025 16:53 (six months ago)

indeed!

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 14 August 2025 18:07 (six months ago)

I used to ride the F train home after working evening shifts. Because of where I was going to get off, I always lined up to be in the front car.

---

btw nothin like waiting a while for the subway late at night one approaches and its the fuckin trash train, just throw me in there baby

same and same. spent a lot of time at jay street at 2:30am just watching the rats

mookieproof, Friday, 15 August 2025 00:41 (five months ago)

Rats are way down, in my estimation, from three years ago. I think the various garbage collecting initiatives have worked. On the other hand I saw two raccoons on my back patio last week, and that's a new issue. I will write a letter to Mr. Mamdami about that.

Josefa, Friday, 15 August 2025 00:55 (five months ago)

I opened this thread expecting drama and instead was greeted with so much delightful rat intel

J Edgar Noothgrush (Joan Crawford Loves Chachi), Friday, 15 August 2025 01:36 (five months ago)

I recently told my partner that I felt like the rat issue on our block had subsided a bit, just in terms of not having felt the need to shake my keys at any bags of trash recently, and they looked at me like I had lost all ability to perceive the world around me. So jury's still out, I think.

Doctor Casino, Friday, 15 August 2025 02:01 (five months ago)

sick j0rdan lore

brony james (k3vin k.), Friday, 15 August 2025 02:26 (five months ago)

confession - i've never seen the pizza rat video

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Friday, 15 August 2025 04:45 (five months ago)

fucked up that j0rdan failed to provide a headshot to defector btw

the world needs a lil circular j0rd.png

mookieproof, Friday, 15 August 2025 04:54 (five months ago)

SOCIALISM THREAT

BITCOIN

sleeve, Friday, 15 August 2025 17:57 (five months ago)

Sliwa wears a beret eh

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 August 2025 17:59 (five months ago)

Has for decades, he was a “guardian angel” in the 80s, they all wore kicky berets.

Crispy Ambulance Chaser (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 15 August 2025 18:15 (five months ago)

Yeah I think it's surgically attached to his scalp at this point.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Friday, 15 August 2025 18:16 (five months ago)

xxp Alfred, if you aren't aware of Sliwa's gig as a respectable street gang leader, read up on the so-called 'Guardian Angels' he started. The beret is their gang sign.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardian_Angels

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 15 August 2025 18:17 (five months ago)

he looks like the villain in a Police Academy film

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 15 August 2025 18:19 (five months ago)

The Guardian Angels organization was founded on February 14, 1979, in New York City, by Curtis Sliwa.

Kim Kimberly, Friday, 15 August 2025 18:33 (five months ago)

They used to invent muggings for the press. Cool guys.

dan selzer, Friday, 15 August 2025 18:34 (five months ago)

In 1992, Guardian Angels founder Curtis Sliwa issued a public apology for faking several subway rescues in the 1980s in order to get publicity for the group.[30]
In October 2020, various individuals running for the New York City Council expressed concerns that the presence of the Guardian Angels might bring tensions to their neighborhoods.[31]
In February 2021, Patrick Bobilin, a candidate for the New York State Assembly, posted a video to Twitter showing members of the Guardian Angels allegedly harassing and attacking protesters, including Bobilin, as they returned from a Stonewall Inn protest.[32]
In February 2024, several members of the Guardian Angels shoved a man to the sidewalk and put him in a headlock during a live interview with Sliwa at Times Square. During the interview, which came a week after a widely publicized brawl between several migrants and NYPD officers, Sliwa stated that the man was a migrant. He also stated that the man had been caught shoplifting. In a later segment, he added "[...] Let's just say we gave him a little pain compliance, his mother back in Venezuela felt the vibrations. He's sucking concrete, the cops scraped him off the asphalt[...]" The NYPD later said the man was actually from the Bronx, and they did not provide evidence of the man shoplifting. Sliwa told The Associated Press he believed the man was a migrant because he spoke Spanish and had been encountered with other Spanish speakers on patrols. The man was issued a summons for disorderly conduct.[33]

my favorite herbs are fennel and Drake (DJP), Friday, 15 August 2025 18:37 (five months ago)

Guardian Angels somewhat bizarrely hyped by the Clash (who I'm guessing liked their look and didn't read past the headlines).

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Friday, 15 August 2025 18:39 (five months ago)

The Guardian Angels showed up in my city back in the 90s and then were run out of there after one of them raped a girl.

New Jack Cutie (President Keyes), Friday, 15 August 2025 18:50 (five months ago)

They tried it in London too.

einstürzende louboutin (suzy), Friday, 15 August 2025 18:54 (five months ago)

It really says something about the state of the Republican Party in New York that its mayoral candidate (for the second election in a row!) is a literal subway vigilante from the 1980s.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Friday, 15 August 2025 19:07 (five months ago)

wow is hakeem jeffries a dead-eyed piece of shit

mookieproof, Saturday, 16 August 2025 05:01 (five months ago)

The numbers suggest Jeffries could lose a primary.

einstürzende louboutin (suzy), Saturday, 16 August 2025 07:06 (five months ago)

he looks like the villain in a Police Academy film

This sent me into a pretty godawful rabbit hole. How the hell were those movies so popular in the '80s? Not to mention the soul-killing "creative" arguments between the producer (who likely had final say) and director (who wanted to make a genuinely good movie).

birdistheword, Saturday, 16 August 2025 18:41 (five months ago)

Comedy is popular!

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 16 August 2025 18:45 (five months ago)

The raw sexuality of Steve Gutenberg

Crispy Ambulance Chaser (Boring, Maryland), Saturday, 16 August 2025 18:58 (five months ago)

The Bedroom Window takes care of that.

hungover beet poo (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 16 August 2025 19:21 (five months ago)

he looks like the villain in a Police Academy film

This sent me into a pretty godawful rabbit hole. How the hell were those movies so popular in the '80s?

― birdistheword, Saturday, August 16, 2025 2:41 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

i loved the police academys when i was a kid, couldnt tell you why, obvs the guy makes the sounds is awesome but besides that idk what was going on there

lag∞n, Saturday, 16 August 2025 20:38 (five months ago)

Mamdani tells the press that Cuomo is still running because “Andrew Cuomo is someone who doesn’t understand that no means no” pic.twitter.com/BLslWWTspE

— David Freedlander (@freedlander) August 20, 2025

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Wednesday, 20 August 2025 16:32 (five months ago)

LOL solid zing

sleeve, Wednesday, 20 August 2025 16:37 (five months ago)

A "No Means No, Andrew" campaign is a good thought. Instead of engaging with him directly, just brand him as a loser who also happens to be a sex pest.

― paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, July 15, 2025 2:07 PM (one month ago) bookmarkflaglink

I'll expect my consulting check any day now.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 20 August 2025 16:44 (five months ago)

(to be fair I was responding to xyzzzz__, so I'll settle for a half share)

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 20 August 2025 16:45 (five months ago)

Why Do They Call Me Mr. Fredo?

New Jack Cutie (President Keyes), Wednesday, 20 August 2025 17:39 (five months ago)

The posters write themselves, really: ‘no means no’

― einstürzende louboutin (suzy), Monday, 14 July 2025 19:52 (one month ago)

HABIBI

einstürzende louboutin (suzy), Wednesday, 20 August 2025 19:07 (five months ago)

but "Cuomo Means No" is right there

New Jack Cutie (President Keyes), Wednesday, 20 August 2025 19:12 (five months ago)

#NoCuomo

Lithium Just Madison (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 20 August 2025 20:08 (five months ago)

pause

(your campaign)

Nancy Makes Posts (sic), Wednesday, 20 August 2025 20:20 (five months ago)

oop fair play Suzy, you were there first. You can be CEO of ILX Campaign Solutions.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 20 August 2025 20:45 (five months ago)

Frank Serpico is Team Mamdani apparently

rainbow calx (lukas), Wednesday, 20 August 2025 22:36 (five months ago)

two weeks pass...

Mamdani: Why should I debate Trump's puppet when I could debate Trump himself? If Trump is serious about this, he should come to New York City. We can have as many debates as he wants about why he is cutting snap benefits for hungry New Yorkers just to fund tax cuts for his… pic.twitter.com/nyHNHzAR6R

— Acyn (@Acyn) September 5, 2025

Wounded Insulter (President Keyes), Friday, 5 September 2025 14:32 (five months ago)

LMAO, Adams managing to exceed Mamdani's total donations on the basis of huge donations alone. The most blatantly corrupt shit.

birdistheword, Saturday, 6 September 2025 02:27 (five months ago)

Though he posted a very funny video where he's only asking for ppl's canvassing time not donations, which is beautiful to see.

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 6 September 2025 11:01 (five months ago)

I saw his video on McGuinness, and at least in the Greenpoint neighborhood, I kind of know that area pretty well because it's between a whole spread of concert venues I used to frequent. I did a quick search and immediately came up with this - again, another example of how blatantly corrupt Adams is and how all these other candidates are all about serving the wealthier and more privileged side of this city.

birdistheword, Sunday, 7 September 2025 22:43 (five months ago)

no flaws, no notes

https://bsky.app/profile/zohrankmamdani.bsky.social/post/3lyech7chqs2q

sleeve, Tuesday, 9 September 2025 00:13 (five months ago)

"How Are the Very Rich Feeling About New York’s Next Mayor?"

A Dramatic Reading of The Recent New York Times Dispatch from the Hamptons.

Presented by The Gilded Age's Morgan Spector.

sleeve, Tuesday, 9 September 2025 00:14 (five months ago)

Love that shot after they play the clip of Mamdani saying, "I don't think we should have billionaires . . . "

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Tuesday, 9 September 2025 00:30 (five months ago)

its crazy how popular a no billionaires party could be

lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 September 2025 00:37 (five months ago)

You're going to lose the billionaires or the about-to-be-billionaires with that kind of talk.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Tuesday, 9 September 2025 00:44 (five months ago)

im willing to drop my demands, for one billion dollars

lag∞n, Tuesday, 9 September 2025 00:49 (five months ago)

I would give out one shiny dollar every day to an unhoused neighbor just to stay under the threshold

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 9 September 2025 00:56 (five months ago)

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:mx4nzus45ho7dciimoyozkjp/bafkreidv7kb3odrj2l7oe6k7etpvwqemzvbu2uvkvwzjnefwsvzlemm4f4@jpeg

He really has the best enemies.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Thursday, 18 September 2025 02:14 (four months ago)

Pulling out of a WABC televised town hall.

Democratic mayoral nominee Zohran Mamdani will announce Monday that he is cancelling a televised town hall with WABC News planned for Sept. 25 in the wake of the network suspending comedian Jimmy Kimmel’s late-night show last week, amNewYork has learned.

Mamdani, his campaign exclusively told amNewYork ahead of the announcement, is making the move in defense of freedom of speech rights, which he says are under attack by President Trump. He is bowing out of the ABC event specifically because the network shelved Kimmel’s show following threats from the Federal Communications Commission over comments the comedian made last week about the assassination of conservative figure Charlie Kirk.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Monday, 22 September 2025 16:06 (four months ago)

i mean they were just going to ask him about israel anyway

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 22 September 2025 17:14 (four months ago)

I’m hoping it’s also a sign of confidence that he’s got this

Mr. T's Ballroom (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 22 September 2025 17:28 (four months ago)

fuck ABC ihibidtace

Tracer Hand, Monday, 22 September 2025 18:28 (four months ago)

Adams is gonna drop out of the race today. Good news for Mamdani? Bad news for Mamdani?

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Sunday, 28 September 2025 17:22 (four months ago)

"here's why that's bad news for Mamdani"

- NYT Pitchbot

sleeve, Sunday, 28 September 2025 17:32 (four months ago)

I dug into the crosstabs of a recent NYT/Siena poll, and people who preferred Adams were almost equally split between Republican-leaning and Democrat-leaning but voted for Trump in 2024 by a 2-to-1 margin. Guessing Cuomo picks up most of the Adams voters, but Mamdani still wins by double digits.

jaymc, Sunday, 28 September 2025 17:51 (four months ago)

Tracer, what the hell does "ihibidtace" signify. The only search results I found for it was you using the same acronym one time on ILH. other than that, nada

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 28 September 2025 17:56 (four months ago)

"is how i break it down to a certain extent" but if u say it out loud it rhymes with "liberace"

petey, pablo & mary (m bison), Sunday, 28 September 2025 18:03 (four months ago)

Adams is gonna drop out of the race today. Good news for Mamdani? Bad news for Mamdani?

How much was he bribed by Trump?

Mr. T's Ballroom (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 28 September 2025 18:05 (four months ago)

A lot

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, 28 September 2025 18:23 (four months ago)

Not good.

My statement on the two year anniversary of October 7, 2023. pic.twitter.com/JlsXUeAeYd

— Zohran Kwame Mamdani (@ZohranKMamdani) October 7, 2025

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 7 October 2025 20:59 (four months ago)

Nah that’s all accurate

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 7 October 2025 21:46 (four months ago)

Yeah, no objections on factual or rhetorical grounds. The mirrored language - "I mourn these lives" - is nicely done.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 7 October 2025 21:55 (four months ago)

The actions of the International Criminal Court of Justice both corroborate and justify every part of that statement.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 7 October 2025 21:56 (four months ago)

Thought bump was gonna be about this: https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2025/10/democratic-candidate-zohran-mamdani-smiles-in-photo-with-key-the-gays-lawmaker/

She's the Tariff (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 7 October 2025 22:05 (four months ago)

I see no issue with his statement? Hamas fucking suck, too.

Mr. T's Ballroom (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 7 October 2025 22:16 (four months ago)

You don't have to pretend this started on the 7th October. Saying nothing was best.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 7 October 2025 22:24 (four months ago)

Whatever man

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 7 October 2025 22:28 (four months ago)

Yes man

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 7 October 2025 22:30 (four months ago)

xxpost Unless he’s running for office or something.

Tight steel. Alien forces. Megamachine vs. the sleazers. (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 October 2025 22:42 (four months ago)

When he says “the occupation and apartheid must end” he’s clearly speaking more than the past two years.

Tight steel. Alien forces. Megamachine vs. the sleazers. (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 October 2025 22:44 (four months ago)

Hamas fucking suck and Palestinian lives mean nothing to them and of course none of this would happen without Israel ultimately causing all this.

Mr. T's Ballroom (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 7 October 2025 23:11 (four months ago)

Love to hear Westerners and those who directly contribute to the war on Palestinian lives saying that Palestinian lives mean nothing to actual Palestinians.

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Tuesday, 7 October 2025 23:19 (four months ago)

(That said, I don't think that Mamdani could have done anything differently in his statement— not mentioning hostages would have caused an uproar, not mentioning the anniversary would have caused an uproar, and his statement is firmly in the pro-Palestine and anti-apartheid camp).

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Tuesday, 7 October 2025 23:20 (four months ago)

What Prez Keyes said.. the mention of 'apartheid' clearly connotes a much longer issue

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 7 October 2025 23:34 (four months ago)

using this anniversary to talk about israeli apartheid is provocative, and correct

lag∞n, Wednesday, 8 October 2025 00:29 (four months ago)

Table otm

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 8 October 2025 00:31 (four months ago)

If there is any one lesson that can be carried away from the past couple of years in Gaza, it is that the most powerful Western nations won't remotely back up the lip service they've paid to the idea that they are united to oppose war crimes and genocide, until the victims of war crimes and genocide are almost past helping.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 8 October 2025 02:47 (four months ago)

those who directly contribute to the war on Palestinian lives

poster Boring, Maryland contributes to the the war on Palestinian lives?

budo jeru, Wednesday, 8 October 2025 03:14 (four months ago)

"Hamas fucking suck and Palestinian lives mean nothing to them"

They are Palestinians. Many of the leaders have grown in these prison camps, their families have been assassinated, their lives have only been this. Don't be a dick.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 8 October 2025 07:36 (four months ago)

Hamas kill and torture Palestinians, which may or may not count as sucking but I think surely counts as being a dick

anvil, Wednesday, 8 October 2025 07:47 (four months ago)

They fight the IDF, which is one for the positive side column.

And again, they are Palestinians.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 8 October 2025 07:49 (four months ago)

In conclusion hamas is a land of contrasts

GY!BP (wins), Wednesday, 8 October 2025 08:12 (four months ago)

You take the rough with the smooth sometimes

anvil, Wednesday, 8 October 2025 08:39 (four months ago)

Speaking of provocative I saw a video on Tiktok yesterday from a Palestinian American who had somehow been invited onto a radio talkshow called "The Patriot" and the host asked him how peace can be achieved, and he said "I'm not interested in peace." It had the desired effect because I, and presumably all the listeners to this station suddenly was like. wtf is he talking about. He said I'm not interested in peace, I'm interested in liberation. We tried peace for decades. We got killed, bombed and tortured. Now we have to try to liberate ourselves with violence because we have no other options. The host was aghast. "Yes, but both sides have to lay down their weapons" and he's like no - the idea that Israel will lay down its weapons is ridiculous. So we have to fight. And the host says, you'll die. And he says we're dying already. We'd rather die fighting for liberation than on our knees. Your great patriots, he said, your founding fathers - they said give me liberty or give me death. That's what we're doing. It's a hard point of view, but put in this way it's understandable. I went down a rabbit hole on this theme and there is a rich history of Palestinians as well as Black Americans in the 1960s with exactly this point of view. That "peace" is NOT the goal. That "peace" is a figleaf for domination. "Peace" is simply capitulation.

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 8 October 2025 09:56 (four months ago)

Probably better for the other thread

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 8 October 2025 09:57 (four months ago)

Its good here too.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 8 October 2025 11:26 (four months ago)

_those who directly contribute to the war on Palestinian lives_

poster Boring, Maryland contributes to the the war on Palestinian lives?

If you pay US taxes, like I do, we kinda do. I hate it!

Mr. T's Ballroom (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 8 October 2025 11:55 (four months ago)

_those who directly contribute to the war on Palestinian lives_

poster Boring, Maryland contributes to the the war on Palestinian lives?

If you pay taxes in the US, yes. I do, too.

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Wednesday, 8 October 2025 11:56 (four months ago)

Anyway just so we’re perfectly clear whose side I’m on I protested outside Senator Mark Warner’s house last Sunday with Jewish Voice for Peace.

Mr. T's Ballroom (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 8 October 2025 13:07 (four months ago)

I don’t doubt you, fwiw, Boring— I just don’t think that people in the US setting the terms for how a subjugated people should react to their subjugation is ever a good look, especially given that we are one of the main perpetrators of that subjugation. See the point that Tracer relates above.

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Wednesday, 8 October 2025 13:51 (four months ago)

Tracer’s post was pretty good, yes.

Mr. T's Ballroom (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 8 October 2025 14:01 (four months ago)

it seems to that paying taxes would be an indirect contribution, but what do i know!

budo jeru, Wednesday, 8 October 2025 18:18 (four months ago)

I just don’t think that people in the US setting the terms for how a subjugated people should react to their subjugation is ever a good look

far as i can tell, nobody on this thread is interested in "setting the terms" for how Palestinians should react to anything. there's a reason we use the term "dehumanizing" for situations of extreme oppression: people tend to be robbed of their humanity. recognizing this, and being honest about this, and not being afraid to admit that it has ugly consequences is part of the recognition of Palestinians as fully human, with all the good and bad that entails. reducing things to hollow moralizing only exacerbates the problem

budo jeru, Wednesday, 8 October 2025 18:26 (four months ago)

i wasn’t doing anything of the sort, but whatever

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Wednesday, 8 October 2025 19:23 (four months ago)

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2025/10/20/zohran-mamdani-profile

Before he got involved in politics, Mamdani tried to make a career as a rapper, tutoring high-school kids to pay for studio time.He recorded multilingual songs under the name Young Cardamom, rapping in Luganda and Hindi, as well as in English, and filmed puckish, elaborate music videos. (The best one is for “Wabula Naawe,” in which Mamdani and his collaborator HAB play feuding guerrilla leaders.) But, eventually, Mamdani recalled in a podcast interview this spring,“there was a point at which my dad said, ‘I think it’s time for a real job.’ ” When I recently asked Mamdani if his mayoral run was a complex ploy to boost his Spotify streams, he shook his head. “I can tell you—they’re not up,” he assured me.

I listened to some of his stuff on Tidal but I am so rap-unschooled that I couldn't tell if it was any good or not. Didn't seem very exciting.

Noob Layman (WmC), Thursday, 9 October 2025 18:57 (four months ago)

ladies and gentlemen, we have located a flaw!

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 9 October 2025 19:01 (four months ago)

The Nani video got a lot of play when it came out because Z got Madhur Jeffrey to be in the video.

einstürzende louboutin (suzy), Thursday, 9 October 2025 19:05 (four months ago)

come on. this is fire:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQVsVNPkPmE

Tight steel. Alien forces. Megamachine vs. the sleazers. (President Keyes), Thursday, 9 October 2025 19:06 (four months ago)

I love Nani so so much and have posted it here multiple times and been ingnored as far as I can tell but please everyone rave about it!!!

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Saturday, 11 October 2025 23:33 (four months ago)

ha https://bsky.app/profile/zohrankmamdani.bsky.social/post/3m2x7uofda223

lag∞n, Saturday, 11 October 2025 23:47 (four months ago)

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/14/magazine/zohran-mamdani-mayor-new-york.html

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 October 2025 14:01 (four months ago)

Seems to be an Arsenal fan :(

Maggy Scraggle, Tuesday, 14 October 2025 14:12 (four months ago)

Sports fandom is a flaw in my book

Tight steel. Alien forces. Megamachine vs. the sleazers. (President Keyes), Tuesday, 14 October 2025 14:29 (four months ago)

So the Times has resigned itself to his victory?

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 14 October 2025 14:51 (four months ago)

They see the train leaving the station

Tight steel. Alien forces. Megamachine vs. the sleazers. (President Keyes), Tuesday, 14 October 2025 14:52 (four months ago)

looks like Cuomo picked up most of Adams' supporters, but that still doesn't get him within 13 points of Mamdani.

Tight steel. Alien forces. Megamachine vs. the sleazers. (President Keyes), Tuesday, 14 October 2025 14:54 (four months ago)

wow this debate

sleeve, Friday, 17 October 2025 00:21 (three months ago)

endless meme fodder/quotability

sleeve, Friday, 17 October 2025 00:21 (three months ago)

Peter Sterne‬
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“I knew Mario Cuomo. You’re no Mario Cuomo, Andrew Cuomo.” - Sliwa

sleeve, Friday, 17 October 2025 00:22 (three months ago)

lol oh man

lag∞n, Friday, 17 October 2025 00:23 (three months ago)

‪Joshua J. Friedman‬
✧@joshuajfried✧✧✧.c✧✧‬
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For those keeping score, that's the second time Cuomo has said "bona fide" (BOH-nuh FIE-dee)

sleeve, Friday, 17 October 2025 00:23 (three months ago)

well he is a lawyer

lag∞n, Friday, 17 October 2025 00:25 (three months ago)

Sliwa: You think 911 is a joke? Public enemy? 311 is a joke

lag∞n, Friday, 17 October 2025 00:33 (three months ago)

I knew Mario Cuomo. You’re no Mario Cuomo, Andrew Cuomo.

This feels like this would be the climax if Oliver Stone made a movie called Cuomo.

birdistheword, Friday, 17 October 2025 00:48 (three months ago)

Cue montage shot on different film stocks.

birdistheword, Friday, 17 October 2025 00:49 (three months ago)

lol what

“It was a mistake to put so many migrants in New York City.” - Cuomo

sleeve, Friday, 17 October 2025 00:58 (three months ago)

very satisfying to see cuomo eating shit like this

lag∞n, Friday, 17 October 2025 01:23 (three months ago)

There was a darkly hilarious article on Politico the other day about how there was apparently real risk for Mamdani going into this debate, that he had to avoid "catastrophic errors"... come the night of, and he's up there beating Cuomo like a piñata, only stopping when Sliwa says, "Hey, let me get a turn."

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Friday, 17 October 2025 01:59 (three months ago)

Moderator: If you need to get somewhere in a hurry and you can use the train, where do you go?

Sliwa: I never use a cab. I was shot in a cab in 1992 by Gambino goombas.

jbn, Friday, 17 October 2025 02:23 (three months ago)

oh man I gotta track this down. I actually
missed my city council member knocking on my door, campaigning recently, because I was watching the nyc democrat mayoral debate lol

mh, Friday, 17 October 2025 04:07 (three months ago)

(my city council guy is running unopposed nbd)

mh, Friday, 17 October 2025 04:07 (three months ago)

he needs a better barber

My homies buttthole surfers' record sounds like a f (Western® with Bacon Flavor), Friday, 17 October 2025 05:07 (three months ago)

watching this and he's a complete [prove me wrong] tommy carcetti

My homies buttthole surfers' record sounds like a f (Western® with Bacon Flavor), Friday, 17 October 2025 05:50 (three months ago)

This Curtis Sliwa answer is very entertaining.

https://bsky.app/profile/yasharali.bsky.social/post/3m3irvk2q5k2i

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Sunday, 19 October 2025 00:54 (three months ago)

completely wrecked their asses

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Sunday, 19 October 2025 01:25 (three months ago)

Lol, everyone hates Andrew Cuomo except the billionaires.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Sunday, 19 October 2025 01:32 (three months ago)

That's the part that I feel like just doesn't get emphasized enough, it's crazy to talk about this as "upstart socialist vs. former governor" when it's actually "guy who seems pretty smart and pretty cool vs. loathsome sex pest toad king."

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 19 October 2025 01:35 (three months ago)

even the billionaires don't like cuomo; they just think he's their best bet

fucking guy has anti-charisma

mookieproof, Sunday, 19 October 2025 01:40 (three months ago)

and now the latest attack lol: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/18/nyregion/cuomo-mamdani-imam.html

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 19 October 2025 23:40 (three months ago)

i have to figure that cuomo no longer hopes to win, but he will settle for doing whatever damage he can do to mamdani before he loses and everyone starts to ignore him. it's the least he can do for his big donors.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 20 October 2025 03:38 (three months ago)

enjoy that, if we must take the legend of mario cuomo at face value, he would completely reject every single thing his sons have done

just absolutely garbage human beings and failures

mookieproof, Monday, 20 October 2025 04:17 (three months ago)

the fact cuomo thought this was a venture worth pursuing was the funniest part. "eric adams sucks! let me and my baggage be a better alternate!"

My homies buttthole surfers' record sounds like a f (Western® with Bacon Flavor), Monday, 20 October 2025 06:12 (three months ago)

my god https://bsky.app/profile/premthakker.bsky.social/post/3m3t2yfppjk2f

lag∞n, Thursday, 23 October 2025 00:26 (three months ago)

jfc

Hiphoptimus Rhyme (Doctor Casino), Thursday, 23 October 2025 00:35 (three months ago)

no doubt a mistake that doesn't reflect andrew cuomo's values

mookieproof, Thursday, 23 October 2025 00:43 (three months ago)

idk seems more like he's a fight and deliver candidate

mookieproof, Thursday, 23 October 2025 00:44 (three months ago)

Any opinions on the Ballot Proposals 2, 3, and 4 - the ones about affordable housing fast tracking? My friends are arguing over these.

Josefa, Thursday, 23 October 2025 01:02 (three months ago)

https://i.imgur.com/anwmuyN.png

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 October 2025 01:54 (three months ago)

Re ballot proposals, I often look toward what SoftPowerVote has to say.. their doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tInkfYso96EHqeoZDE0Q9loxrOHMLaMvhsF--LUmYeo/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.a9uu07gfw61x

pitted (blue6ave), Thursday, 23 October 2025 03:04 (three months ago)

Bret Stephens and Cuomo just doing this clip
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK1GI8oBh8o

mh, Thursday, 23 October 2025 16:55 (three months ago)

https://bsky.app/profile/zohrankmamdani.bsky.social/post/3m3ulpudrks26

Zohran would cheer on another 9/11

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 23 October 2025 22:57 (three months ago)

Thanks for that link, pitted. Leaning "no" on those proposals thanks to those explications.

Josefa, Thursday, 23 October 2025 23:08 (three months ago)

I think I posted this upthread, but the most disgusting show of Islamophobia I saw after he won the primary was two competing tweets shared simultaneously by two connections on social media: one claimed he was an anti-American nut that believed 9/11 was actually an inside job, the other claimed he celebrated the attacks.

birdistheword, Thursday, 23 October 2025 23:35 (three months ago)

It’s a bit suspicious though that when the WTC fell, Zohran was 10– the number between 9 and 11.

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Friday, 24 October 2025 01:10 (three months ago)

makes u think bc why did he stop at 11? bc fuck 12 (he hates cops)

petey, pablo & mary (m bison), Friday, 24 October 2025 01:27 (three months ago)

I missed the integrity/experience line.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iW4B4Iy7n0

Elvis Telecom, Friday, 24 October 2025 09:08 (three months ago)

This is HUGE! Surely will shake up the race!

“Zohran Mamdani has relentlessly focused on addressing the affordability crisis and explicitly committed to being a mayor for all New Yorkers, including those who do not support his candidacy,” Jeffries said in the statement.

“In that spirit, I support him and the entire citywide Democratic ticket in the general election,” Jeffries added.

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Friday, 24 October 2025 18:57 (three months ago)

I guess it’s never too late, huh

Clever Message Board User Name (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 24 October 2025 19:09 (three months ago)

Dem leadership is deathly afraid of doing anything that might justify the "socialists!!!" label because they believe it is the kiss of death. Being fear-driven is the opposite of leadership.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 24 October 2025 19:14 (three months ago)

I mean, that's just the debt owed to power. Jeffries has done the math and figures it's better to be on the right side of the leader of the city he represents part of than not. Fine, whatever.

Meanwhile I got rage-baited into clicking on an Andrew Sullivan piece lamenting the rise of Mamdani, but even rage couldn't carry me past the paragraph that started by calling him "a critical-theory racist."

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Friday, 24 October 2025 19:36 (three months ago)

a good future policy would be never to click on anything written by Andrew Sullivan or any publication that would publish him

budo jeru, Friday, 24 October 2025 19:38 (three months ago)

Andrew Sullivan or any publication that would publish him

I don't think there are any. He's a Substacker now.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Friday, 24 October 2025 19:39 (three months ago)

Substackin' across the universe
Funded by American Enterprise, canonizin' Charlie Kirk

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Friday, 24 October 2025 19:49 (three months ago)

Jai Guru MAGA, Om

budo jeru, Friday, 24 October 2025 19:56 (three months ago)

sullivan loves self-publishing as he never needs to report conflicts of interest

adam t (dat), Saturday, 25 October 2025 00:33 (three months ago)

incredible how TNC's success fully broke him

mookieproof, Saturday, 25 October 2025 00:35 (three months ago)

I guess it’s never too late, huh

He should've waited until the election was called, it would've made a perfect Onion moment.

birdistheword, Saturday, 25 October 2025 15:07 (three months ago)

"Congratulations to Zohran Mamdani, who I have always supported."

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Saturday, 25 October 2025 16:11 (three months ago)

this is good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGBQwCsIhn0

lag∞n, Saturday, 25 October 2025 17:35 (three months ago)

Yes, very good

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Saturday, 25 October 2025 17:49 (three months ago)

Voted for our man; there was an old white woman in front of me muttering “hes probaby going to win; yung people… how will he pay for free busses?”

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Saturday, 25 October 2025 19:41 (three months ago)

Incredible speech

Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 25 October 2025 20:13 (three months ago)

lfg

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 25 October 2025 21:07 (three months ago)

Ryan Broderick ryanhatesthis.bsky.social‬

Wow this is rough. Gov Kathy Hochul is speaking the Zohran rally. She's listing examples of Trump admin overreach in NY and the crowd is heckling her loudly, chanting, "do something, you're the governor." Taking forever for her to get through her speech.

https://bsky.app/profile/ryanhatesthis.bsky.social/post/3m452ifqoys2h

lag∞n, Monday, 27 October 2025 00:14 (three months ago)

did he win yet

budo jeru, Monday, 27 October 2025 01:06 (three months ago)

Seriously when will this be over

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 27 October 2025 01:23 (three months ago)

Is the NY mayor race always this exhausting? Especially for all the parts of the country and the world that are not NY?

whimsical skeedaddler (Moodles), Monday, 27 October 2025 01:53 (three months ago)

The only thing worse than not getting the Hochul endorsement is getting the Hochul endorsement.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Monday, 27 October 2025 02:43 (three months ago)

And no, I don't think any NY mayor races of recent decades at least have had this kind of drama or reach. I remember Dinkins' election was kind of a big deal, and then Giuliani beating him got a lot of attention as a conservative backlash. It's always somewhat news who runs NYC, but this year is way more visible.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Monday, 27 October 2025 02:47 (three months ago)

And no, I don't think any NY mayor races of recent decades at least have had this kind of drama or reach.

I feel Iike Mamdani cldn’t have gotten even vaguely close if not for Adams’ post-primary campaign

fall of the house of urrsher (sic), Monday, 27 October 2025 09:21 (three months ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omstN14glhA

pack it in, he's a linkin park fan - can't have that kind of edgy recklessness running NYC.

My homies buttthole surfers' record sounds like a f (Western® with Bacon Flavor), Tuesday, 28 October 2025 03:55 (three months ago)

getting nervous

jaymc, Tuesday, 28 October 2025 14:38 (three months ago)

Everything was perfect
Always made me nervous
Knowing you would burn it
Just to watch it burn

Cut the bridge we're on
Cut it down, cut it down, down, cut it, cut it down

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 28 October 2025 14:42 (three months ago)

I don't know what to take
Thought I was focused, but I'm scared
I'm not prepared
I hyperventilate
Looking for help somehow, somewhere
And no one cares

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 28 October 2025 14:43 (three months ago)

jfc CNN is running a story about how Mamdani's aunt isn't actually his aunt it's his dad's cousin

frogbs, Tuesday, 28 October 2025 19:45 (three months ago)

wow! CNN dropping a bombshell!

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 28 October 2025 19:51 (three months ago)

Atomized affluent Americans not understanding "auntie" culture.

I run into it plenty in Appalachia — everybody's an aunt, an uncle or a cousin, but when you ask about actual family connections they're complex and sometimes people are just like, "I don't know, they're on my momma's side."

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 28 October 2025 19:59 (three months ago)

Meanwhile, all the NRIs I know are explaining the “cousin-uncle”/“cousin-auntie” phenomenon.

einstürzende louboutin (suzy), Tuesday, 28 October 2025 20:00 (three months ago)

Amazing, this is a total non story at a moment when there are a zillion worthy stories to cover

Clever Message Board User Name (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 28 October 2025 20:07 (three months ago)

The media is completely auntie-Mamdani

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Tuesday, 28 October 2025 20:13 (three months ago)

everybody's an aunt, an uncle or a cousin

Definitely a thing in Native culture too... I also had it explained to me that 'cousin' in Mexico/Central America is often someone associated with the place you're from or grew up, and may not be a blood relative at all

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 28 October 2025 20:21 (three months ago)

I call every actual cousin on my dad's side of the family aunt or uncle because they're the closer to my dad's age than mine, this is 100% media nonsense

fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Tuesday, 28 October 2025 20:22 (three months ago)

yeah it's dumb as hell. see also "he eats with his hands!!" antique racism in the city that never shuts up about pizza

rob, Tuesday, 28 October 2025 20:26 (three months ago)

the "Cuban cousin" aka the godson or the kid of a good neighbor your parents knew in Habana is a thing in Miami

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 October 2025 20:31 (three months ago)

Even I, who grew up an overwhelming superfluity of 'real' aunts, uncles, and cousins, know that there are tons of people who are given those unofficial titles due purely to love and affinity. Our family has an 'aunt susan' who is just as much a member of our family as any blood relative or in-law.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 28 October 2025 20:32 (three months ago)

Speaking only of the white side of my family, my granny’s sister is my auntie, my mum’s cousin is my auntie, her best friend growing up is my auntie. Pretty sure this is just how normal people do things, “no it’s actually your fifth cousin twice shy, leg before wicket” ok petunia mitford but fuck off actually

fact checking suz (wins), Tuesday, 28 October 2025 20:35 (three months ago)

An *auntie* from Kilbrew in Ireland moved into our house when I was a kid. I later found out she was my older sister. This stuff happens!

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Tuesday, 28 October 2025 20:45 (three months ago)

my my my once kindred twice shy

fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Tuesday, 28 October 2025 20:46 (three months ago)

you guys are all doing this stavros bit

Most insightful thinker of race and ethnicity this side of Barbara Fields pic.twitter.com/IjbDg16xO9

— Matthew Zeitlin (@MattZeitlin) October 27, 2024

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 28 October 2025 20:49 (three months ago)

yeah i was encouraged to call the old lady up the hill “aunt foster” and the old couple across the road “uncle ritchie” and “aunt ritchie” no relation obv

Tracer Hand, Tuesday, 28 October 2025 20:52 (three months ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKVlMfH8yEk

fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Tuesday, 28 October 2025 20:53 (three months ago)

you guys are all doing this stavros bit

🐦[Most insightful thinker of race and ethnicity this side of Barbara Fields pic.twitter.com/IjbDg16xO9🕸
— Matthew Zeitlin (@MattZeitlin) October 27, 2024🕸]🐦


Yeah totally, this like lots of normal behaviour isn’t an “ethnic” thing so much as a not a posh freak thing

fact checking suz (wins), Tuesday, 28 October 2025 21:07 (three months ago)

The real divide isn’t WASPs, it’s 3rd-4th-5th generation college grads whose families have scattered over the decades and so often don’t grow up around extended family. And WASPs are of course overrepresented in that demographic. But probably does include a lot of New York media people.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 28 October 2025 21:07 (three months ago)

The racist/islamophobic campaigning from Cuomo is just appalling. I hope Mamdani crushes him in the election

c u (crüt), Tuesday, 28 October 2025 21:17 (three months ago)

excited to very shortly do my part towards that end!

Hiphoptimus Rhyme (Doctor Casino), Tuesday, 28 October 2025 21:25 (three months ago)

Revolutionary Rebar 🦇‬
✧@revolutionaryre✧✧✧.b✧✧✧.soc✧✧✧‬
· 2h
Gotta start calling people by their actual titles "Hey Moms First Boyfriend from Middle School Her Parents Never Let Go and Still Love and Now I Call Uncle Pat because He's A Family Friend, pass the butter?"

sleeve, Tuesday, 28 October 2025 21:42 (three months ago)

This is getting nuts. The London Times just making up anti-Zohran quotes from DiBlasio.

I want to be 100% clear:
The story in the Times of London is entirely false and fabricated.
It was just brought to my attention and I’m appalled.
I never spoke to that reporter and never said those things.
Those quotes aren’t mine, don’t reflect my views. https://t.co/I65e8UV6tm

— Bill de Blasio (@BilldeBlasio) October 28, 2025

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Tuesday, 28 October 2025 23:08 (three months ago)

And London has had a Pakistan-born, Muslim mayor for almost a decade

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 28 October 2025 23:15 (three months ago)

(I take it back - he was born in London)

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 28 October 2025 23:16 (three months ago)

and anybody thinks Bill de Blasio's opinion is going to sway voters?

dan selzer, Wednesday, 29 October 2025 01:18 (three months ago)

(anyway)

dan selzer, Wednesday, 29 October 2025 01:18 (three months ago)

not many Londoners vote in NYC anyway

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 29 October 2025 04:11 (three months ago)

"if I don't win I'm getting the hell out" is an insane thing for Cuomo to say, that's the sort of line you'd use in a political comedy that would completely tank the bad guy's career

frogbs, Wednesday, 29 October 2025 04:19 (three months ago)

And London has had a Pakistan-born, Muslim mayor for almost a decade

Not only that but when a onetime future Tory PM hopeful went full on islamophobe as Khan’s mayoral opponent he got absolutely spanked back into the dark ages.

meat-based daughter-based unwellness (stevie), Wednesday, 29 October 2025 11:35 (three months ago)

London mayor Sir Sadiq Khan has been given permission to slash the amount of affordable homes in new developments from 35 per cent to 20 per cent.

unfortunately Khan is a career-pol melt of the UK Labour Party, who shows the limits of just representation without the transformative politics that Mamdani is campaigning on.

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Wednesday, 29 October 2025 12:04 (three months ago)

Cuomo really outing himself as a total piece of shit this morning. Here's a clip of him appearing on Maria Bartiromo's show that's just breathtakingly racist and Islamophobic and fucked up:

https://bsky.app/profile/justinbaragona.bsky.social/post/3m4dsewdzok2b

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Wednesday, 29 October 2025 16:26 (three months ago)

Christ, this latest NYT story. I mean even just the headline and subhed: "How a Small Elite College in Maine Influenced Mamdani’s World View:
The mayoral candidate has said his education at Bowdoin College was formative. But critics say that his degree exemplifies how colleges steep students in leftist dogma."

O rly "critics say"? And who are these critics? JD Vance and the right-wing National Association of Scholars, which has been attacking women's studies and ethnic studies programs for 30-odd years. Meanwhile Mamdani and every one of his professors they talk to talk about how wide-ranging — and deeply rooted in American history — his actual studies were.

They really have done everything they can to "other" him.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 29 October 2025 17:43 (three months ago)

xp Maria Bartiromo coming off as a total piece of shit as well, but I guess that's par for the course.

birdistheword, Wednesday, 29 October 2025 17:46 (three months ago)

xpost I hear they have Nazis in Maine too

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Wednesday, 29 October 2025 17:47 (three months ago)

I missed the auntie conversation earlier so I have to chime in to say my relatively insular, not-many-siblings family tree mysteriously had Aunt Esther, who was the ex-wife of my great-grandfather’s half brother.

She was family!

mh, Wednesday, 29 October 2025 23:21 (three months ago)

xp https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obZ7_c4BrDc

birdistheword, Thursday, 30 October 2025 02:53 (three months ago)

Maria Bartiromo coming off as a total piece of shit as well, but I guess that's par for the course.

Joey lost another one to Johnny.

Lithium Just Madison (C. Grisso/McCain), Thursday, 30 October 2025 03:13 (three months ago)

my god

“I’m Bill DeBlasio. I’ve always been Bill DeBlasio,” DeBlasio said in an interview conducted Wednesday evening through his Ring doorbell in Huntington Station, Long Island, from his current location in Florida.

“I never once said I was the mayor. He never addressed me as the mayor,” DeBlasio told Semafor Wednesday evening. “So I just gave him my opinion.”

https://www.semafor.com/article/10/29/2025/british-newspaper-spoke-to-the-wrong-deblasio-not-an-imposter

lag∞n, Thursday, 30 October 2025 13:23 (three months ago)

The episode began earlier this week when a reporter for the quality British newspaper, Bevan Hurley, sent a polite email to an email address containing the full name belonging both to the wine seller and the two-term New York mayor, who spells “de” with a lowercase “d” and inserts a space between the two parts of his surname. (In DeBlasio’s view, “low-class Italians use a little d.“)

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Thursday, 30 October 2025 13:35 (three months ago)

That guy is a prize huh

colonic interrogation (gyac), Thursday, 30 October 2025 13:49 (three months ago)

I thought only US journalism was dead.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Thursday, 30 October 2025 14:02 (three months ago)

Also, Long Island represent.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Thursday, 30 October 2025 14:02 (three months ago)

Big De energy

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Thursday, 30 October 2025 14:03 (three months ago)

lmao holy shit: https://www.hamiltonnolan.com/p/local-paper-opines-on-mayors-race

(compilation of every WSJ opinion piece on ZM since June 18)

rob, Thursday, 30 October 2025 16:32 (three months ago)

I thought only US journalism was dead.

what did you base this on

fall of the house of urrsher (sic), Thursday, 30 October 2025 16:41 (three months ago)

I reviewed many academic journals on the topic, conducted in person interviews, subscribed to every newspaper and magazine in the world, quit my job to get a second career in journalism, and became a stringer for a foreign news service. This took a very long time and only then did I make a poor throwaway joke on the Internet.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Thursday, 30 October 2025 17:40 (three months ago)

Probably the most batshit insane paranoia I've seen about this election:

From Wall Street Journal Opinion: Zohran Mamdani’s victory would imperil Jews and embolden totalitarians everywhere in the world. If New York falls, the entire free world may again totter on its foundations, writes Bernard-Henri Lévy.

birdistheword, Friday, 31 October 2025 00:28 (three months ago)

wow

lag∞n, Friday, 31 October 2025 00:29 (three months ago)

The Apple has Fallen

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Friday, 31 October 2025 00:39 (three months ago)

who is this fuckchop?

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 31 October 2025 00:46 (three months ago)

Long history of controversy, this guy...

birdistheword, Friday, 31 October 2025 00:49 (three months ago)

didn't realize that the fate of the entire free world rests on my mayoral vote

nice

mookieproof, Friday, 31 October 2025 00:58 (three months ago)

get your cheese slice now, it might be your last

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 31 October 2025 01:04 (three months ago)

what the fuck

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Friday, 31 October 2025 01:05 (three months ago)

(compilation of every WSJ opinion piece on ZM since June 18)

thanks for posting this... it's insane.

visiting, Friday, 31 October 2025 02:13 (three months ago)

you know I've heard "the establishment fears me" many times but I think this is the one guy where it's actually true

frogbs, Friday, 31 October 2025 03:00 (three months ago)

i don't think anyone who uses 'embolden' can be trusted

mookieproof, Friday, 31 October 2025 03:11 (three months ago)

that's an odd metric to pace so much weight on, but sure, why not?

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 31 October 2025 03:28 (three months ago)

find me a recent political example in which its use does not involve trying to scare people about 'those (other/different) people'

(generally in service of restricting the rights of those other/different people)

mookieproof, Friday, 31 October 2025 03:51 (three months ago)

i suppose there are democrats like chuck schumer who have whined about All This Trump Stuff Emboldening Fascists . . . but tbh they've earned no trust either

mookieproof, Friday, 31 October 2025 03:59 (three months ago)

Haha Bernard-Henri Lévy still on his grift. The French right truly hurting for passable public intellectuals in the last 50 or so years.

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Friday, 31 October 2025 07:22 (three months ago)

I feel like these guys are setting up unrealistic expectations. If Zohran doesn't singlehandedly destroy Western Civilization I'm going to be a little disappointed now.

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Friday, 31 October 2025 15:27 (three months ago)

while i will celebrate zohrans election should it come to pass the idea that he will personally destroy the current order is just more of that old great man theory of history the reality is we all need to do our part to bring about the collapse of western civilization

lag∞n, Friday, 31 October 2025 15:35 (three months ago)

we all need to do our part (to contribute to the fall of the west)

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Friday, 31 October 2025 15:36 (three months ago)

Great photos on Bluesky of him hanging out with night-shift workers (nurses, cab drivers, etc.) last night.

https://bsky.app/profile/zohrankmamdani.bsky.social/post/3m4hju7zmf22a

https://bsky.app/profile/zohrankmamdani.bsky.social/post/3m4ht527a7s2t

https://bsky.app/profile/zohrankmamdani.bsky.social/post/3m4ht7y67u22t

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Friday, 31 October 2025 15:43 (three months ago)

yeah that should do it

Chris Sommerfeldt c-sommerfeldt.bsky.social‬

Defend NYC, a pro-Cuomo super PAC operated by Trump adviser Jason Meister, is spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on sending out this text message to NYC voters, hoping it'll convince them to vote Cuomo for mayor, new filings show.

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:eof64py7gulrj4drvmp52scd/bafkreihyebh4uwuh5eynki7lkkaxfyvtmghwncyktfe6gan6rfr63ot6lm@jpeg

https://bsky.app/profile/c-sommerfeldt.bsky.social/post/3m4ixnhhlqc2z

lag∞n, Friday, 31 October 2025 18:10 (three months ago)

How is that not a New York Times headline?

This dark glowing bohemian coffeehouse (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 31 October 2025 18:20 (three months ago)

I kinda wonder if Mamdani should really be cycling around and jumping into random crowds

It's good politicking but I really wonder if it's safe... these are weird times

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 31 October 2025 18:28 (three months ago)

https://scontent-ord5-3.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/561789422_1356185845861806_677688077886817370_n.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 31 October 2025 18:29 (three months ago)

I kinda wonder if Mamdani should really be cycling around and jumping into random crowds

It's good politicking but I really wonder if it's safe... these are weird times

― Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, October 31, 2025 2:28 PM (eleven seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

hes kinda gotta do it retail politics is his thing, did notice hes got big body guards with him

lag∞n, Friday, 31 October 2025 18:30 (three months ago)

If a Mamdani win could *guarantee* all these assholes threatening to leave NYC would actually do so, he would get every vote save this handful of real assholes.

I do love when rich dickheads threaten to leave cities, but go silent when their bluff is called and someone reminds them that, you know, you could move to Alabama* tomorrow and live like a true king, with absolutely no regulations, low taxes, low cost of living and decades of institutionalized authoritarianism that works in your favor.

(*Alabama is actually quite nice!)

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 31 October 2025 18:34 (three months ago)

i looked up the "cuomo murdered my husband" woman.

My husband was living in a NYC nursing home when Cuomo forced them to accept COVID patients. Immediately, residents began dying and my husband became deathly ill. I managed to get him taken to a hospital where he was given a 5 day regimen of hydroxychloroquine. He completely…

— Stella Paul (@StellaPaulNY) February 19, 2025

jaymc, Friday, 31 October 2025 18:38 (three months ago)

hmm

lag∞n, Friday, 31 October 2025 18:39 (three months ago)

(sorry for the twitter link.)

My husband was living in a NYC nursing home when Cuomo forced them to accept COVID patients. Immediately, residents began dying and my husband became deathly ill. I managed to get him taken to a hospital where he was given a 5 day regimen of hydroxychloroquine. He completely recovered and went back to the nursing home. Shortly thereafter, Cuomo signed an executive order forbidding use of hydroxychloroquine.

Aftermath: my husband died alone in the nursing home after almost a year of brutal isolation. When I finally saw him in his coffin, he was a skeleton covered with bed sores. He died 8 days after getting the vaccine.

Also Aftermath: Cuomo is now the big favorite to be the next mayor of New York.

I WANT JUSTICE.
7:49 AM · Feb 19, 2025

jaymc, Friday, 31 October 2025 18:39 (three months ago)

with respect, i don't think somebody who's going on the epoch times is a reliable source

budo jeru, Friday, 31 October 2025 18:41 (three months ago)

In tales of “never fucking happened,” that lady’s story

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Friday, 31 October 2025 18:42 (three months ago)

I BELIEVE CUOMO IS A LIZARD PERSON AND I'M VOTING FOR HIM ANYWAY

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Friday, 31 October 2025 18:43 (three months ago)

yeah, she's a complete nut. which i now understand is what jaymc was implying

budo jeru, Friday, 31 October 2025 18:44 (three months ago)

https://i.imgur.com/ZLKXpbc.jpeg

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 31 October 2025 18:44 (three months ago)

xxp why doesn't she vote for Sliwa, he didn't murder her husband

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 31 October 2025 18:44 (three months ago)

maybe she respects that cuomo did it, leaders need to make tough decisions

lag∞n, Friday, 31 October 2025 18:47 (three months ago)

The funniest part of the pro-Cuomo text message is "We know what she means." You do?

jaymc, Friday, 31 October 2025 18:49 (three months ago)

A lot of people hate their husbands, I guess.

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Friday, 31 October 2025 18:50 (three months ago)

A lot of people hate their husbands, I guess.

kerrykennedy.jpg

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Friday, 31 October 2025 19:06 (three months ago)

"A vote for Cuomo is a vote to kill the husband you hate!"

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 31 October 2025 19:10 (three months ago)

"Cuomo murdered my husband and I am voting for him. Because there is no requirement under New York State law that write-in candidates must still be alive."

Hiphoptimus Rhyme (Doctor Casino), Friday, 31 October 2025 21:37 (three months ago)

There's video on Bluesky of Cuomo saying NYC hasn't had a competent mayor since Bloomberg... with Adams standing right behind him.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Saturday, 1 November 2025 00:54 (three months ago)

already posted in the "Is NYC Dead" thread but this is a fascinating article particularly for those of us not versed in the city's rent stabilisation history. lays out who all the players are and what's at stake. near the end it touches on mamdani's ascent and outlines how the city can be a more muscular player

It is true that a rent freeze, without additional intervention, risks deepening the crises within the market. Owners of rent-stabilized buildings may choose not to invest in their properties. If conflict between the city and the large real estate firms intensifies, and building conditions continue to deteriorate, the question of new construction could be politically pinned on the rent freeze. What would effectively be a capital strike could then be construed as the effect of this progressive housing reform.

What impact will the rent freeze have, then, on the current impasse? Already, the centrality of the demand to city politics has opened up a new chapter in the struggle for a sane housing policy. A long-due conversation about housing conditions can make possible new housing politics—if paired with an effective code enforcement program and public investment in housing affordability, the proposed freeze will place the Mayor’s office squarely on the side of habitability, in defense of the quality of life for hundreds of thousands of New Yorkers.

But investment in enforcement is not in itself enough. With its multi-billion-dollar capital budget, the City has the capacity to act as a non-speculative market actor: purchasing buildings where the landlord is no longer interested in ownership. Thanks to its scale, its lack of a profit motive, and its taxing power, the City can intervene to stabilize volatile markets and act as a counter-cyclical force that puts housing quality first and property values second. It can use this power—to acquire rent stabilized housing as a market actor—to drive down costs for operators and improve housing quality across New York.

As a long-term owner, meanwhile, the City can act as something like a quasi-community land trust: holding land in a city-wide portfolio and leasing out the right to collect rents, while using its position as landowner to pursue asset management at scale. As its portfolio grows, it could use rents from higher-income buildings to fund operations and lower-income buildings in other parts of New York. This type of portfolio-wide asset-management approach would help New York avoid some of the challenges of private-sector-led affordable housing deals of the past, where individual operators sought building-by-building deals with the City and many projects ended up facing cash-flow issues.

To ensure quality housing for renters in a market where the tools of real estate speculation are suppressed, we need to combine the power to enforce housing standards and the power to finance and acquire rental housing—two capacities the City already has.

https://www.phenomenalworld.org/analysis/stabilization-and-speculation/

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 1 November 2025 11:39 (three months ago)

via Mark Harris on Bsky:

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:zknk3rjsatent75sdbbopown/bafkreidk6j7j3felrbp4u3ukvaxh6tgr47em2k4h6jgre2bb75nzifszyi@jpeg

meat-based daughter-based unwellness (stevie), Saturday, 1 November 2025 17:06 (three months ago)

this guy

lag∞n, Saturday, 1 November 2025 17:09 (three months ago)

Says the guy running a disgustingly divisive anti-Muslim campaign

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 1 November 2025 18:18 (three months ago)

the first level of subtext there is that it's the muslims who are harboring the antipathy toward other NYers. the next level down is that NY muslims are sympathetic to terrorists.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 1 November 2025 18:42 (three months ago)

canvassing for @ZohranKMamdani in the east village today and the actor who plays dr. strugis in young sheldon is in my canvassing group!! pic.twitter.com/WVQNC7skGB

— ella devi (@HOUSEOFDEVI) November 2, 2025

the way out of (Eazy), Sunday, 2 November 2025 21:40 (three months ago)

Good lord has Princess Bride fallen that far off the Gen Alpha radar?

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 2 November 2025 21:47 (three months ago)

😩

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 2 November 2025 21:50 (three months ago)

I first saw Wallace in his breakout film role in My Dinner with Andre. This film is now ancient history.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 2 November 2025 21:58 (three months ago)

He'll always be the "oversexed brilliant kind of animal" from Manhattan to me

meat-based daughter-based unwellness (stevie), Sunday, 2 November 2025 22:15 (three months ago)

good to see i'm still not missing anything by not having a twitter

budo jeru, Sunday, 2 November 2025 22:19 (three months ago)

she's very good
https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:nrh7ngbqmdfdxowtxn6dazec/bafkreihwbrswa6fdhlig5sd25nox3u5bfuvlzzdgsxztyzbirjjjrkpsx4@jpeg

meat-based daughter-based unwellness (stevie), Sunday, 2 November 2025 22:28 (three months ago)

haa

lag∞n, Sunday, 2 November 2025 22:37 (three months ago)

I mean, when I was her age, Orson Welles would be "the guy from the wine commercial."

the way out of (Eazy), Sunday, 2 November 2025 22:41 (three months ago)

lol

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 2 November 2025 22:44 (three months ago)

is that some kind of filter or does she truly have enormous eyes

mookieproof, Sunday, 2 November 2025 22:49 (three months ago)

get em

https://i.imgur.com/bqkwDlV.png

lag∞n, Sunday, 2 November 2025 23:07 (three months ago)

haaaa

sleeve, Sunday, 2 November 2025 23:12 (three months ago)

yesss

fall of the house of urrsher (sic), Sunday, 2 November 2025 23:14 (three months ago)

Love the “old people” zing being Clueless

fall of the house of urrsher (sic), Sunday, 2 November 2025 23:14 (three months ago)

What is it? Imgur blocked in the UK.

einstürzende louboutin (suzy), Sunday, 2 November 2025 23:15 (three months ago)

that’s the joke sic

lag8n that content is unfortunately not viewable in my region

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 2 November 2025 23:16 (three months ago)

Even millennials don’t really care about Princess Bride. X becometh Boomer.

Lady Sovereign (Citizen) (milo z), Sunday, 2 November 2025 23:16 (three months ago)

weird its just a twitter screenshot posted imgur im not logged into imgur so theres no settings or anything, anyway its just her own replies to the first tweet upthread click through and you will see them xp

lag∞n, Sunday, 2 November 2025 23:19 (three months ago)

that’s the joke sic

yes I am applauding it

(especially in the context of the follow-up that you haven’t seen)

fall of the house of urrsher (sic), Sunday, 2 November 2025 23:23 (three months ago)

i will never see it because i don’t have a twitter account so can’t see replies, and imgur is blocked in the uk. my internet life is truly a shambles

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 2 November 2025 23:24 (three months ago)

ella devi HOUSEOFDEVI

“put some respect on wallace shawn” i am only 18 and have only seen him in young sheldon i’m sorry!!!

ella devi HOUSEOFDEVI

old people! if you have time to yell at me to go watch the princess bride you have time to canvass or phone bank: (link to mamdanis site)

lag∞n, Sunday, 2 November 2025 23:35 (three months ago)

nice

Tracer Hand, Monday, 3 November 2025 00:41 (three months ago)

weird its just a twitter screenshot posted imgur

imgur seems to be banned to UKers, in my recent experience. It's a bummer!

meat-based daughter-based unwellness (stevie), Monday, 3 November 2025 08:19 (three months ago)

https://bsky.app/profile/astroericl.bsky.social/post/3m4odkbw5lc2q

Tracer Hand, Monday, 3 November 2025 12:43 (three months ago)

Currently his main flaw is his social media team has decided I should be bombarded with clips. Not that I mind, but I can't actually vote in NYC.

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 3 November 2025 13:23 (three months ago)

ella devi HOUSEOFDEVI

“put some respect on wallace shawn” i am only 18 and have only seen him in young sheldon i’m sorry!!!

ella devi HOUSEOFDEVI

old people! if you have time to yell at me to go watch the princess bride you have time to canvass or phone bank: (link to mamdanis site)

Wallace Shawn age test

Gen X: The Princess Bride
Millennials: Cyrus Rose in Gossip Girl
Gen Z: Young Sheldon

colonic interrogation (gyac), Monday, 3 November 2025 13:25 (three months ago)

Baby Boomers (?): My Dinner with Andre

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 3 November 2025 13:35 (three months ago)

Baby Boomers are My Dinner with Andre

a (waterface), Monday, 3 November 2025 13:36 (three months ago)

ha jinx

a (waterface), Monday, 3 November 2025 13:36 (three months ago)

Boomers: “Didn’t his dad edit the New Yorker?”/Manhattan/Andre
Older Gen X: Andre
Younger X: Princess Bride

einstürzende louboutin (suzy), Monday, 3 November 2025 13:50 (three months ago)

Xennial: Clueless

jaymc, Monday, 3 November 2025 14:12 (three months ago)

Wow, the Grand Nagus sure did a lot of side projects.

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 3 November 2025 14:14 (three months ago)

The madness on twitter once the results are out will be something to treasure

xyzzzz__, Monday, 3 November 2025 14:48 (three months ago)

I saw my dinner with Andre for the first time with some friends the other week and we all laughed when wally says that something is inconceivable

I’ve never actually seen the princess bride but I’m pretty sure I get the gist (inconceivable)

fact checking suz (wins), Monday, 3 November 2025 14:53 (three months ago)

Princess Bride is American Things.

I have a friend from Sweden who did high school in the US and he says literally the first day the teacher made a PB reference and everyone in the class laughed except him.

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 3 November 2025 14:58 (three months ago)

I've noticed several accounts that I once thought were fairly left turn to full time anti-Zohran posting.

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Monday, 3 November 2025 14:59 (three months ago)

I saw it once as a kid but it left no real impression on me, so I was unprepared for how often I would encounter references to it as I got older. Same with Star Wars and Goonies and a few other movies of thst era. Feel like these were movies that people my age watched repeatedly on VHS, whereas I rarely saw something more than once.

jaymc, Monday, 3 November 2025 15:11 (three months ago)

I’d put Ferris Bueller in that category.

My homies buttthole surfers' record sounds like a f (Western® with Bacon Flavor), Monday, 3 November 2025 15:16 (three months ago)

I've noticed several accounts that I once thought were fairly left turn to full time anti-Zohran posting

Huh, that's interesting. I've noticed some mainstream dem celebs, the kind who wouldn't have supported Bernie, turning out for him.

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 3 November 2025 15:17 (three months ago)

goonies bueller more of tv movies imo, star wars people were more devoted to theyd put the tape in and it was barely played on tv wasnt made available i guess, princess bride i feel like is more niche not that its obscure or anything theres lines that are very well known but generally its popularity is deeper than it is wide its some peoples very favorite movie

lag∞n, Monday, 3 November 2025 15:17 (three months ago)

Sub TPB for Clash of the Titans and it's Casa Soto 1985-1990.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 November 2025 15:18 (three months ago)

i've still never seen princess bride

c u (crüt), Monday, 3 November 2025 15:19 (three months ago)

its pretty good check it out, its very wholesome but not prissy and its funny, i think that mix is why people love it so much

lag∞n, Monday, 3 November 2025 15:24 (three months ago)

Andre the Giant's finest role.

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Monday, 3 November 2025 15:25 (three months ago)

Anyway, the whole "I can't be expected to know about culture because I'm 18" thing is wack. I'd seen tons of movies that came out before I was born by the time I was 18.

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Monday, 3 November 2025 15:28 (three months ago)

I had the Princess Bride novel as a kid and it was kind of a mindfuck in a fun way

fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Monday, 3 November 2025 15:29 (three months ago)

the girl should not be required to know who wallace shawn is regardless of her age who gives a shit man watching movies is not an accomplishment

lag∞n, Monday, 3 November 2025 15:31 (three months ago)

yeah Princess Bride is one of those rare movies that actually is funny for all ages, it pulls off a balance that's apparently very hard to get right. amazing casting too, feels like one of those movies where all the characters were rewritten a bit to account for the actors strengths

frogbs, Monday, 3 November 2025 15:32 (three months ago)

Huh, that's interesting. I've noticed some mainstream dem celebs, the kind who wouldn't have supported Bernie, turning out for him.

― a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Monday, November 3, 2025 10:17 AM (thirteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I'm thinking of people like this. Not a super lefty, but she was Alan Grayson's campaign manager, so not exactly establishment. Her feed for the past few months is just attack after attack on ZM to the point that I think it may be a paid gig:

Very Trumpian. See how that gels with Trump. https://t.co/QUdRkiL7T0

— Tina Dupuy (@TinaDupuy) November 2, 2025

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Monday, 3 November 2025 15:33 (three months ago)

Alan Grayson's campaign manager

pulls deeply of a cigarette while gazing into the distance

lag∞n, Monday, 3 November 2025 15:35 (three months ago)

She was also one of the people who accused Al Franken of groping her, so it's a bit ironic that she's supporting Cuomo.

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Monday, 3 November 2025 15:39 (three months ago)

I've noticed several accounts that I once thought were fairly left turn to full time anti-Zohran posting.

White supremacy is a hell of a drug

colonic interrogation (gyac), Monday, 3 November 2025 15:44 (three months ago)

So is anyone worried about any potential (illegal of course) Federal action to block him from taking office? Sending in the “rapid response” national guard to occupy City Hall?

This dark glowing bohemian coffeehouse (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 3 November 2025 15:52 (three months ago)

yes

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 3 November 2025 15:58 (three months ago)

not sure why they would want to shine a bright spotlight on the Democratic Socialist who just got elected mayor of the biggest city in the US, but anyway they can occupy City Hall if they want but this isn't the Republican-controlled Congress we're talking about here, the NYC government can swear him in whenever and wherever they feel like doing so

fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Monday, 3 November 2025 15:59 (three months ago)

obama doesnt have better politics than the general dem establishment, but he is smarter

Former President Barack Obama called New York City mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani on Saturday, praising his campaign and offering to be a “sounding board” into the future.

...

Mr. Obama spoke admiringly about how Mr. Mamdani has run his campaign, making light of his own past political missteps and noting how few Mr. Mamdani had made under such a bright spotlight.

“Your campaign has been impressive to watch,” Mr. Obama told Mr. Mamdani, according to the people.

...

Mr. Obama first called Mr. Mamdani in late June, shortly after his primary victory. Patrick Gaspard, an adviser to Mr. Mamdani who had also served as political director on Mr. Obama’s 2008 campaign and in his White House, said that initial call came “unsolicited, unprompted” from the former president.

https://archive.ph/n4y1r

lag∞n, Monday, 3 November 2025 16:00 (three months ago)

So is anyone worried about any potential (illegal of course) Federal action to block him from taking office?

More concerned that they'll make him one of the first outspoken non-native citizens they try booting out of the country, if they start really going that route.

the way out of (Eazy), Monday, 3 November 2025 16:42 (three months ago)

obama doesnt have better politics than the general dem establishment, but he is smarter

Yeah I think that's a game-recognize-game situation. Obama knows and can admit when he sees good politickin'.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Monday, 3 November 2025 16:47 (three months ago)

He also knows Mamdani can't run for President, so he won't have to kneecap him in a future primary campaign.

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Monday, 3 November 2025 16:49 (three months ago)

that obama quote sounds like a blurb from Archive of Our Own tbrr

Tracer Hand, Monday, 3 November 2025 16:49 (three months ago)

Yeah I think that's a game-recognize-game situation. Obama knows and can admit when he sees good politickin'.

― paper plans (tipsy mothra), Monday, November 3, 2025 11:47 AM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

also just basic willingness to read the writing on the wall

lag∞n, Monday, 3 November 2025 16:51 (three months ago)

An amazing quote from a Washington Post editorial:

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:3ezphbcb74zrirki5w3ql3ce/bafkreibp4sr6xotsgett7w3yhvq43oknhds2y4ac6skavrud5dgiuipndy@jpeg

If the image doesn't show up, it reads "One of the most notable aspects of Mamdani's political success is that voters know what they're getting. The young politician was born into a life of wealth and privilege, and from that perch he adopted a worldview centered around destroying the economic system that made his adopted country thrive."

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Monday, 3 November 2025 16:58 (three months ago)

the thrive market is strong this month

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Monday, 3 November 2025 17:05 (three months ago)

pretty sure if you polled Americans a majority would be 100% onboard with destroying the current economic system

fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Monday, 3 November 2025 17:10 (three months ago)

wtf @ that quote!?? is the post ed staff basically the wsj at this point??

Tracer Hand, Monday, 3 November 2025 17:13 (three months ago)

ya

lag∞n, Monday, 3 November 2025 17:13 (three months ago)

Class traitor, sounds good not bad to me

This dark glowing bohemian coffeehouse (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 3 November 2025 17:14 (three months ago)

uh what

our beloved RIFF LORD (DJP), Monday, 3 November 2025 17:17 (three months ago)

Sorry that was for the original quote

our beloved RIFF LORD (DJP), Monday, 3 November 2025 17:18 (three months ago)

yeah reminds me of when right wing idiots are like "here's the secret about Greta Thurnberg, she was born rich and all this activism is on her parents' dime", it doesn't occur to them that some privileged people might actually want to make the world better for other people, it's such a foreign concept to them

frogbs, Monday, 3 November 2025 17:24 (three months ago)

Yeah Bezos is getting the WaPo editorial page he wanted. Pro-“markets” and anti-“socialist.”

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Monday, 3 November 2025 17:27 (three months ago)

The top opinion editor at WaPo, Adam O'Neal, came from The Economist and previously worked at the Wall Street Journal and The Dispatch.

He recently did an interview with Fox News:

O'Neal calls the current state of the editorial pages a "work in progress" and that reshaping them will take time. That includes redefining the voice of the editorial board, which he says is still developing.

"So one day we might be saying, ‘Hey, you know, the president has a good point about Bagram Air Base,’ right? At the other time, we might praise Democrats who are standing up to [New York City mayoral candidate Zohran] Mamdani and his radicalism. And at the same time, we'll criticize the Trump administration when we think they get it wrong. So, if anyone thinks that our project here is about one president or just tactical partisan moves, I think that's really short-sighted, and they're just not reading or watching or listening to us very closely, frankly," O'Neal said.

jaymc, Monday, 3 November 2025 17:27 (three months ago)

so, a moron

Tracer Hand, Monday, 3 November 2025 17:31 (three months ago)

So is anyone worried about any potential (illegal of course) Federal action to block him from taking office? Sending in the “rapid response” national guard to occupy City Hall?

― This dark glowing bohemian coffeehouse (Boring, Maryland), Monday, November 3, 2025 10:52 AM (one hour ago)

as far as occupation by force goes i'm far more worried about what the response from the NYPD is going to be, because not only will they be dealing w/ a DSA mayor with a mandate to de-cop the city but it will be immediately on the hills of a literal cop mayor who has pushed cop visibility and cop privilege to heights that haven't been seen here since at least the end of stop and frisk a decade ago. and we know from what the NYPD did to de blasio that they will make public efforts to humiliate zohran and strip him of power, and in our current state of things we can't rule out i.e. the NYPD occupying or patrolling some parts of the city in direct defiance of zohran's orders as mayor, and you don't have to travel very far from that place to some scenario where the NYPD is trying to take further control of the city from zohran via force

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Monday, 3 November 2025 17:33 (three months ago)

Tbh, the attitudes toward Mamdani from the center-left political and media establishment, ranging from skepticism to outright disdain, have been rather eye-opening. He is clearly a rare political talent who is able to appeal to some of the demographic groups that Democrats have been trying to win back, and even just on the surface he seems like an enormously likeable guy -- and yet he is being painted like an angry extremist who wants to set fire to the city. I probably shouldn't be so surprised, but I am.

jaymc, Monday, 3 November 2025 17:38 (three months ago)

destroying the economic system that made his adopted country thrive

does that mean Mamdani opposes chattel slavery, child labor, or the military-industrial complex?

rob, Monday, 3 November 2025 17:39 (three months ago)

Tbh, the attitudes toward Mamdani from the center-left political and media establishment, ranging from skepticism to outright disdain, have been rather eye-opening. He is clearly a rare political talent who is able to appeal to some of the demographic groups that Democrats have been trying to win back, and even just on the surface he seems like an enormously likeable guy -- and yet he is being painted like an angry extremist who wants to set fire to the city. I probably shouldn't be so surprised, but I am.

― jaymc, Monday, November 3, 2025

^^ copy and paste that quote into an Obama '08 thread and it would make just as much sense -- other than that Mamdani is lefter than Obama.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 November 2025 17:39 (three months ago)

theyre desperately trying to maintain the jig, but unfortunately for them it is in fact up

lag∞n, Monday, 3 November 2025 17:40 (three months ago)

i do think this is different than the reaction to obama which imo was a lot driven by the fact that hillary already had the establishment in her corner and even then some heavy hitters came out for obama early eg ted kennedy and that was also for the presidency which is something youd except every single weirdo dem party creation to ooze out of the woodwork for, all these national figures taking extreme positions against the dem nominee for an nyc mayoral race is just odd and indicative of the fact that the politics mamdani represents are a threat to their livelihoods

lag∞n, Monday, 3 November 2025 17:51 (three months ago)

its funny they dont see that theyre just giving him more air and that everyone hates them

lag∞n, Monday, 3 November 2025 17:52 (three months ago)

this shit is just fuckin loony

Mehdi Hasan‬ mehdirhasan.bsky.social‬

The Democratic gubernatorial nominee in VA is effectively calling the Democratic mayoral nominee in NYC a liar on the eve of close, contentious, and crucial elections for both of them. What a joke this party often is. No wonder Republicans win so much.

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_thumbnail/plain/did:plc:4k6dakv7cskxttdvfpzadq7e/bafkreict4pp7crefv2vjnqrw5ekx5gt4to5evesiieqivmbbdtky3qy2ui@jpeg

https://bsky.app/profile/mehdirhasan.bsky.social/post/3m4qlnqqsgc25

lag∞n, Monday, 3 November 2025 18:01 (three months ago)

wtf @ that quote!?? is the post ed staff basically the wsj at this point??

If there was any doubt over Bezos's vow to introduce right-wing (really Trumpian) viewpoints into the Post, no one should have them at this point.

birdistheword, Monday, 3 November 2025 18:02 (three months ago)

(that wasn't intended as criticism, it was a statement of agreement)

birdistheword, Monday, 3 November 2025 18:02 (three months ago)

one thing that is analogous with obama and mamdani obvs is the easy bigotry of the supposedly enlightened multicultural party

lag∞n, Monday, 3 November 2025 18:03 (three months ago)

lol @ the example of why are leftists turning on him being someone with Israel brain worms and Atlantic bylines.

Lady Sovereign (Citizen) (milo z), Monday, 3 November 2025 18:05 (three months ago)

There was definitely an establishment vs. upstart divide in 2008 between Clinton and Obama during the primary, and there were also a lot of ugly attacks against Obama from the right during the entire campaign. But I feel like once Obama won the nomination, the Democratic Party and the mainstream liberal media were squarely behind him and excited about the historic nature of the candidacy. That's different from, for instance, the reluctance of Jeffries and Schumer to support the Democrat running for mayor of their own city.

jaymc, Monday, 3 November 2025 18:06 (three months ago)

yup

lag∞n, Monday, 3 November 2025 18:07 (three months ago)

i think when confronted with a leftish nonwhite opponent with roots that are partially in other countries, the right wing can't help themselves and they go to far, they call them actively radical terrorists and meanwhile you've got Zamdani reminiscing about the Strokes' debut album on someone's TikTok.

omar little, Monday, 3 November 2025 18:09 (three months ago)

it helps that these guys are obviously easy to like, you'd think the Dems would go all-in on this dude 100% instead of waffling between him and a sex-pest crustacean like Cuomo.

omar little, Monday, 3 November 2025 18:11 (three months ago)

GOP also devoid of ideas and energy by summer '08 until Sarah Palin made starbursts come out of Rich Lowry's eyes briefly.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 November 2025 18:11 (three months ago)

that's gonna bother me so --

xxp "they go too far"

omar little, Monday, 3 November 2025 18:15 (three months ago)

as jaymc alludes to it's worth noting that there is a coincidence of sorts where the top ranking senator and representative for the democratic party are both from new york city. so not only is it natural for them, in interviews with national visibility, to be questioned about the mayoral race here, but there is also a threatening of their political capital on a direct personal level that transcends the existential questions about "the future of the party," and which i think has further entrenched those people, and thus the party they lead, against zohran. it has created a vacuum into which kathy hochul has stepped, which is sorta interesting bcuz for people who actually live here a united governor + mayor working towards progressive political goals is actually more important than the mayor having the institutional backing of the national party apparatus

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Monday, 3 November 2025 18:16 (three months ago)

and i do think it's true that hochul has been downplayed as a national figure bcuz she supports zohran, if she was in lockstep w/ schumer and jefferies she would get to be on TV all the time too

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Monday, 3 November 2025 18:18 (three months ago)

lol @ the example of why are leftists turning on him being someone with Israel brain worms and Atlantic bylines.

― Lady Sovereign (Citizen) (milo z), Monday, November 3, 2025 1:05 PM (seventeen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I guess it would be lol if I had said leftists were turning on him. Which I didn't.

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Monday, 3 November 2025 18:26 (three months ago)

I just remembered Dupuy because she used to appear on the Majority Report, so I was kind of surprised that her twitter had become a full-on Mamdami hate account.

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Monday, 3 November 2025 18:29 (three months ago)

there is also a threatening of their political capital on a direct personal level that transcends the existential questions about "the future of the party,"

Yeah and I think for Schumer and Jeffries those things are also inextricable. They very much want the future of the party to remain heavily under the influence of their major donors (Wall Street and AIPAC), which is what those major donors are paying them for. They rise and fall together.

One thing the whole episode illustrates is how absolutely beholden New York Democrats in particular are to those forces, which is why they're mostly terrible and should not be in national party leadership positions.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Monday, 3 November 2025 18:37 (three months ago)

She was also one of the people who accused Al Franken of groping her, so it's a bit ironic that she's supporting Cuomo.

― A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Monday, November 3, 2025 7:39 AM (two hours ago)

this is kind of mind-bending

In New York City, Mamdani is leading the polls in the mayoral election by large margins, including women overall. But among likely voters, 45% of women over 50 plan to vote for Cuomo compared with 34% for Mamdani, according to a Quinnipiac poll released Oct. 9. That’s more women in that age bracket than men, with 32% supporting Cuomo and 40% for Mamdani.

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Monday, 3 November 2025 18:39 (three months ago)

the reluctance of Jeffries and Schumer to support the Democrat running for mayor of their own city

their reluctance is understandable, but completely inexcusable.

real leaders don't get to excuse themselves on the grounds of the weakness, disunity, and vulnerability of the party. that's the quickest way to ensure the continuance of weakness, disunity, and vulnerability.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 3 November 2025 18:44 (three months ago)

It's hard to exaggerate the degree to which Mamdani is the incarnation of the strawman figure centrist Dems invented to explain why they lost in 2024: immigrant, Muslim, pro-Palestine, college-educated, activist, socialist. It's why Platner is splitting things in a way that is puzzling from a policy angle, but obvious in an identity politics one.

rob, Monday, 3 November 2025 18:46 (three months ago)

If Mamdani were trans I think the DNC might actually have had him killed

rob, Monday, 3 November 2025 18:47 (three months ago)

and i do think it's true that hochul has been downplayed as a national figure bcuz she supports zohran, if she was in lockstep w/ schumer and jefferies she would get to be on TV all the time too

― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Monday, November 3, 2025 10:18 AM (twenty-one minutes ago)

interesting -- I don't follow NY state politics as closely any more, but isn't she considered part of that establishment crew? I've heard a lot of calls for her to be primaried, and I don't think zohran's more fervent supporters found her tepid embrace of him all that convincing

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Monday, 3 November 2025 18:54 (three months ago)

yeah reminds me of when right wing idiots are like "here's the secret about Greta Thurnberg, she was born rich and all this activism is on her parents' dime", it doesn't occur to them that some privileged people might actually want to make the world better for other people, it's such a foreign concept to them

That’s just them calling her a class traitor though

colonic interrogation (gyac), Monday, 3 November 2025 18:58 (three months ago)

I've heard a lot of calls for her to be primaried, and I don't think zohran's more fervent supporters found her tepid embrace of him all that convincing

― comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Monday, November 3, 2025 1:54 PM (fifty-four seconds ago)

i don't think her embrace of him has been tepid, i also don't think DSA people are all of a sudden going to embrace zohran, however neither of those things are my point...

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Monday, 3 November 2025 18:59 (three months ago)

Mamdani is going to win. He's run a fantastic, positive campaign and campaign. People are excited to vote for him. And here?

If Mamdani were trans I think the DNC might actually have had him killed

?

bulb after bulb, Monday, 3 November 2025 19:21 (three months ago)

FDR was a class traitor, too, thank god

This dark glowing bohemian coffeehouse (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 3 November 2025 19:27 (three months ago)

The Dem establishment/Billionaire freakout over Mamdami has been a thing to behold. If I didn't know anything about him, I'd just assume he was okay because of the quality of the people who throw fits about him.

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Monday, 3 November 2025 19:29 (three months ago)

xpost not sure what exactly you're confused about, but my point is that centrist Dems are also blaming losing in 2024 on not being anti-trans enough

rob, Monday, 3 November 2025 19:30 (three months ago)

NYC is the absolute center of the universe for multi-billionaires, even if they don't live there, because all the money in the world flows through it, including their own money. They're worried Mandami will siphon some off to help the millions of ordinary working stiffs and their kids.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Monday, 3 November 2025 19:35 (three months ago)

xp I am absolutely not confused about your post.

bulb after bulb, Monday, 3 November 2025 19:45 (three months ago)

i don't think the dem establishment actually cares about zohran's identity they just know identity-related attacks are easy to wield when appropriate (ofc the hypocrisy of this goes without saying). going to put it out there that referencing killing trans people right now in whatever context is overly harsh at best.

fwiw this is why the establishment cares:

the politics mamdani represents are a threat to their livelihoods

she freaks, she speaks (map), Monday, 3 November 2025 19:51 (three months ago)

i'm pretty sure how this all plays out is once mamdani is elected and hits the 9-5 the entire crushing apparatus around him slowly churns him into something along the lines of another aoc. just a hunch, i haven't followed this at all so i may be showing a lot of ass.

she freaks, she speaks (map), Monday, 3 November 2025 19:53 (three months ago)

I mean AOC requires 220 other people to do anything; the mayor of NYC has levers he can actually pull to make things happen

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 3 November 2025 19:56 (three months ago)

aoc is pretty good compared to those other chumps

lag∞n, Monday, 3 November 2025 19:56 (three months ago)

yeah i was gonna say, "another AOC" as Mayor of New York, after Eric fucking Adams sounds like a miracle to me

Hiphoptimus Rhyme (Doctor Casino), Monday, 3 November 2025 19:58 (three months ago)

the entire crushing apparatus around him slowly churns him into something along the lines of another aoc

can’t tell from context if this is intended to be a good or bad thing lol

still early to tell but i actually think mamdani is more skilled than aoc as a campaigner and communicator. feels more like an obama level once-in-a-generation talent

flopson, Monday, 3 November 2025 19:58 (three months ago)

zohran "becoming AOC" -- aka having his stated policy positions sanded down by the realities of governance -- is baked into the system, and you can already seeing this straining his coalition if you peer into the right places

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Monday, 3 November 2025 19:59 (three months ago)

An institution like the House is designed to make you compromise if you want to do anything other than make speeches.

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Monday, 3 November 2025 20:00 (three months ago)

going to put it out there that referencing killing trans people right now in whatever context is overly harsh at best.

good point map, I'm sorry all

rob, Monday, 3 November 2025 20:01 (three months ago)

An institution like the House is designed to make you compromise if you want to do anything other than make speeches.

― A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Monday, November 3, 2025 3:00 PM (one minute ago)

so is being the mayor, though

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Monday, 3 November 2025 20:02 (three months ago)

Being mayor of New York is a heckuva job, there are things for people to get mad about every single day, the city's finances aren't great, and there will be a lot of dedicated media out there amplifying every screw-up, inconvenience, petty scandal, you name it. He's not gonna get a honeymoon from the national media or the entire right-wing industrial complex. He's obviously smart enough to know that, I hope he has good people around him because he'll need them.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Monday, 3 November 2025 20:03 (three months ago)

xpost Sure, but when you win the election for mayor there are not a bunch of other mayors you have to court the favor of to get placed on a powerful committee.

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Monday, 3 November 2025 20:09 (three months ago)

there could be other mayors, secret mayors

lag∞n, Monday, 3 November 2025 20:09 (three months ago)

Sure, but when you win the election for mayor there are not a bunch of other mayors you have to court the favor of to get placed on a powerful committee.

― A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Monday, November 3, 2025 3:09 PM (one minute ago)

well you're doing a very strict reading here when the reality is that there's plenty of interests mayors have to court favor with to get things done, including the interests of other specific politicians

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Monday, 3 November 2025 20:12 (three months ago)

to me the NYPD stuff is the canary in the coalmine w/ zohran because he has said defund the police a bunch of times, he probably believes that defunding the police is a good idea. but you can't govern new york city and be a sworn enemy of the nypd. police forces in america are too independently powerful for any mayor to govern that way. and already zohran has offered some public olive branches to the nypd, because how else is he going to govern the city? you can find tweets of people saying this means that he's gonna sell out like the rest of them, and the establishment will absolutely try and break zohran's coalition over time by pointing out all the ways he didn't live up to the dream he sold us, i.e. telling us we elected a defund the police mayor who is now doing xyz things w/ the police. the details of all this will matter but there is also an existential question of... how you can acknowledge and accept that a governing politician from the left is going to have to naturally drift towards the center to get things done

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Monday, 3 November 2025 20:15 (three months ago)

the entire crushing apparatus around him slowly churns him into something along the lines of another aoc

The name I've heard more often is Chicago mayor Brandon Johnson. He won largely because people liked the idea of *him*, as much as his ideas, but in practice he's been a bit of a mess.

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 3 November 2025 20:19 (three months ago)

yeah i don't think it's possible to be antagonistic to the police and actually do anything as a mayor, in most u.s. cities. been watching a local, relatively progressive mayor here in the slc area. lots of police back-patting along with securing funds for a new library etc.

she freaks, she speaks (map), Monday, 3 November 2025 20:34 (three months ago)

at least he displayed the lgbtq flag on his desk after the state banned it from public buildings.

she freaks, she speaks (map), Monday, 3 November 2025 20:36 (three months ago)

Having worked in a liberal city administration and dealt with the cops, yes, it's a very tricky relationship. They are pretty much everywhere the largest department in city government — in our case, they were about 1/3 of the workforce — and they are such fucking crybabies about every single thing, they are institutionally averse to any kind of criticism or accountability, they are founts of rumors and conspiracy theories about what the mayor's up to ... Just an administrative nightmare, basically. And every now and again they'll kill somebody or (in our case) beat up a homeless man in broad daylight with a whole neighborhood watching.

BUT also, they are by far the most in demand city service, people call 911 all the time for everything, and believe it or not most voters even in a fairly liberal city are pretty pro-cop and generally want to more of them rather than fewer.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Monday, 3 November 2025 20:52 (three months ago)

every video I see on bsky of ICE doing something horrible in Chicago or LA or the SLC airport, there's at least one reply where someone asks why the bystanders don't call the police

rob, Monday, 3 November 2025 21:06 (three months ago)

(I left a word out there, they generally want to see more cops rather than fewer.)

The flipside of this is that the two times I've served on juries, I was surprised and impressed by how skeptical the other jurors were of cops in general. I think the difference is, when you're calling 911 you see them as an aid — but if you're on the receiving end, it feels different. And enough people have had enough bad real-world experiences with cops, or know people who have, that there's a lot of suspicion of them too.

So I don't think police accountability is necessarily a political loser, lots of people would actually like the police to be accountable. They don't want to abolish them, but they're open keeping an eye on them.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Monday, 3 November 2025 22:06 (three months ago)

I was surprised and impressed by how skeptical the other jurors were of cops in general

Yeah... when I was up for jury duty a couple of years ago, during the course of being questioned for jury selection it was notable how much they wanted to get our opinions of and/or relationships with the police. The case didn't even directly involve the police.

Kim Kimberly, Monday, 3 November 2025 23:13 (three months ago)

it seems like cognitive dissonance to think both "cops can't be trusted" and " we need more cops" but when they're the go-to response for any 911 call you're going to need to do a lot of reworking of the system, which... the cops don't want, even if it means they'd have help in situations they're not really trained for

mh, Monday, 3 November 2025 23:31 (three months ago)

to me the NYPD stuff is the canary in the coalmine

Initially read this as 'the canary in the cocaine' for whatever reason.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 3 November 2025 23:35 (three months ago)

why not

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 November 2025 23:49 (three months ago)

believe it or not most voters even in a fairly liberal city are pretty pro-cop and generally want to more of them rather than fewer

Mamdani's argument for several months now has been "we need to let cops be cops, and get more social workers and mental health workers out there to respond to people in crisis," and both halves of that seem to be very popular. Also the fact that he's not getting rid of the current police commissioner seems to be viewed as a good thing in cop circles.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Monday, 3 November 2025 23:57 (three months ago)

and believe it or not most voters even in a fairly liberal city are pretty pro-cop and generally want to more of them rather than fewer.

― paper plans (tipsy mothra), Monday, November 3, 2025 3:52 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

polling is showing these numbers dropping precipitously, for obvious reasons, and as part of a general trend in liberals losing their religion for our nice corporate/military/police/surveillance state

lag∞n, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 00:13 (three months ago)

A welcome and overdue development if so.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 00:14 (three months ago)

read a good piece on it recently see if i can dig it up, its interesting too cause its happening with basically zero support from any establishment anything, basically anyone with any power or megaphone is enthusiastically pro cop but theres something bubbling up from the underground, reminds me of the surge in popularity for medicare for all except with even less institutional support

lag∞n, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 00:18 (three months ago)

dis is it

https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/no-kings-is-about-more-than-trump

lag∞n, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 00:22 (three months ago)

That fucking guy has an incredible publicist. I've seen at least three major profiles of him in the last two weeks, having never heard of him before October.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 00:40 (three months ago)

i heard about him a little bit before that

lag∞n, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 00:45 (three months ago)

i mean he is in a major movie that just came out

jaymc, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 00:46 (three months ago)

re a shift in liberal sentiment facebook wine moms have gone fuckin feral https://bsky.app/profile/fullslack.bsky.social/post/3m46sce42uk2n

lag∞n, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 00:46 (three months ago)

that's fucking awesome

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 00:53 (three months ago)

my stepmom is a pretty run-of-the-mill wine mom and she fucking *hates* trump & his slack jawed minions

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 00:54 (three months ago)

so much antidotal evidence out there of normal people saying shit they wouldnt have dreamed not too long ago, klippenstein points out in his piece that its a huge contrast with trumps first term where people were dreaming of james comey swooping in to save them

lag∞n, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 00:57 (three months ago)

footage out of chicago of 60 y/o white guys in golf shirts yelling in ice thugs faces

lag∞n, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 00:59 (three months ago)

Kasie Hunt (CNN): If he does run the city as a communist, are you going to have any regrets?

Curtis Sliwa: Why should I have regrets? I trust people. People are going to make the choice. I'll live with the choice. I'd like them to choose me. But if perchance I lose on November 4th, I will improve, not move. I was born in this city. I was almost killed in this city. I'll die in this city. I'll be buried in this city.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 03:09 (three months ago)

Oh rifle girl who shit her pants is still doing her schtick? I thought she retired to a bunker in 2020.

Lady Sovereign (Citizen) (milo z), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 03:20 (three months ago)

stavvy has about a half dozen things going on right now. he's flooding the zone

mh, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 03:24 (three months ago)

my stepmom is a pretty run-of-the-mill wine mom and she fucking *hates* trump & his slack jawed minions

my comfortably retired Midwest lawyer aunt's take: "someone should just kill him"

disco stabbing horror (lukas), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 03:29 (three months ago)

lmao https://bsky.app/profile/c-sommerfeldt.bsky.social/post/3m4sm73ibkk2s

lag∞n, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 14:39 (three months ago)

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:4xaad7thmc4uqdhefbq6vizm/bafkreibjzziq6dqoe5ibybrvvuljpppu6pxo22cnagfj6hczfjbfuklgxy@jpeg

meat-based daughter-based unwellness (stevie), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 14:44 (three months ago)

lmao

mh, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 14:54 (three months ago)

Kasie Hunt (CNN): If he does run the city as a communist, are you going to have any regrets?

eat shit, hack

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 14:57 (three months ago)

Amazing that Sliwa’s answer is…right on?

This dark glowing bohemian coffeehouse (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 15:04 (three months ago)

What does running the city as a Communist entail? Putting nukes on Staten Island?

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 15:06 (three months ago)

i can only hope that Hunt was parroting back something Sliwa said. otherwise seems pretty irresponsible to call Mamdani a communist!

jaymc, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 15:12 (three months ago)

ya sliwa has repeatedly called mamdani a communist, even though he doesn't wear a red beret

harper valley paul thomas anderson (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 15:47 (three months ago)

What was the last American city to have a mayor that identified as anything other than Democrat, Republican or Independent? I know Milwaukee had a few Socialist mayors, but that was ages ago.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 16:14 (three months ago)

https://i.imgur.com/RAxSYMC.png

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 16:20 (three months ago)

That's a whole lotta words for 'we got nothing.'

Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 16:21 (three months ago)

The Republicans are going to call every Democrat or Democratic policy Communist or Marxist or Socialist anyway, so who gives a shit?

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 16:23 (three months ago)

it's so funny how clearly Sliwa prefers Mamdani to Cuomo, or maybe more accurately his particular, intense hatred of Cuomo is striking

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 16:23 (three months ago)

@Josh: The mayor of Wichita is a Libertarian:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lily_Wu

jaymc, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 16:23 (three months ago)

Good to know! Is she the only one?

Anyway, I have no idea why so many (allegedly) went from Bernie Sanders to Trump, but there must be something there.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 16:24 (three months ago)

"A Mamdani victory is a serious political problem for those in the party who have been driving the strategies that have led to us absolutely eating shit on a national level"

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 16:25 (three months ago)

To be fair, Mamdani actually is a Democrat. He ran and serves as a Democrat in the legislature, and he's on the Democratic line today.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 16:25 (three months ago)

There are a few other Libertarian mayors, but in much smaller cities.

jaymc, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 16:26 (three months ago)

Anyway, I have no idea why so many (allegedly) went from Bernie Sanders to Trump, but there must be something there.

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, November 4, 2025 11:24 AM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

that always seemed pretty clear cut for me

My homies buttthole surfers' record sounds like a f (Western® with Bacon Flavor), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 16:30 (three months ago)

Yeah, but I don't know where the Venn diagram intersects, exactly.

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 16:32 (three months ago)

A Facebook friend (someone I went to high school with but haven't seen since) made the Sanders-to-Trump move. But his pro-Sanders posts in 2016 seemed to be mostly about attacking Hillary Clinton as a corrupt criminal and member of the elite/establishment, so it didn't seem like much of a leap when he boarded the MAGA train.

jaymc, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 16:38 (three months ago)

The connection is both say the system is rigged. Guess what? They’re both right, for different reasons.

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 16:41 (three months ago)

extremely otm

sleeve, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 16:41 (three months ago)

Yeah the vent diagram is just “anti-establishment, doesn’t matter who”

This dark glowing bohemian coffeehouse (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 16:42 (three months ago)

And Sanders and Trump give Honest Tough Talk.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 16:43 (three months ago)

more voters went from hillary to mccain than from bernie to trump as far as elections go, think the whole bernie to trump story is prob just some bs cooked up by the usual suspects

lag∞n, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 16:46 (three months ago)

I was a Bernie guy who would sooner be publicly castrated than vote for Trump or anyone like Trump (obviously), but I think that one of the obvious reasons for that particular pipeline is simply pure vengeance against the DNC. I'm not saying this is good, and I'm not saying this is mature, but I definitely had a few friends who swore they'd never vote Dem again after the DNC basically torpedoed what many believed was the last possible offramp from absolute chaos. Incidentally, none of those friends voted for Trump either, so I dunno. The "let it burn, that'll show 'em" approach seems a bit shortsighted, counterproductive and selfish to me, but I do identify with the disillusionment.

Paul Ponzi, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 16:49 (three months ago)

A Facebook friend (someone I went to high school with but haven't seen since) made the Sanders-to-Trump move. But his pro-Sanders posts in 2016 seemed to be mostly about attacking Hillary Clinton as a corrupt criminal and member of the elite/establishment, so it didn't seem like much of a leap when he boarded the MAGA train.

― jaymc, Tuesday, November 4, 2025 10:38 AM (thirteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I know a few IRL examples of Rand Paul to Bernie as well

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 16:53 (three months ago)

I either want one thing, or the exact opposite!

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 16:53 (three months ago)

A friend had someone in his law school who was big into Zizek, Jordan Peterson and Bernie. Dude just liked big ideas!

Agreed with lagoon tho that this supposed pipeline is overhyped.

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 16:55 (three months ago)

I know someone who did the Obama to Trump thing, and then really became an absolutely horrific human being with unfortunately a decent sized following

omar little, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 17:03 (three months ago)

What's going on with NYC right now makes me wonder if, had Bernie won the nomination in 2016 or 2020, some moderate Democrat would have run a third party campaign that was tacitly supported by the Dem establishment.

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 17:04 (three months ago)

Hillary only got about 63,000 fewer votes in 2016 than Obama got in 2012, there was not a huge fall-off in Democratic votes even if you think all 63,000 were Bernie supporters. Bernie got about 13.2 million votes in the Democratic primaries, so 63,000 would be like one-half of 1 percent of that. I'm maybe in a minority here in thinking that Bernie's failures were more his own fault than the DNC's, but there's not much evidence of a real defection of his supporters to Trump.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 17:04 (three months ago)

anecdotally, I know three people who moved from Bernie to Trump fwiw

sleeve, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 17:05 (three months ago)

people move from a losing primary candidate to the other party in the general in every election, and its more than you might think, but the data doesnt show an unusually big swing from bernie to trump, now there could be some longer term pattern going but i havent seen anything about it, we are living through weird times tho so all sorts of shifts could be happening

lag∞n, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 17:09 (three months ago)

There are campaign boosters/grifters who are really just trying to get their foot in the door for different jobs in the future and elevate their own public profiles across the board, but wow were there some total stinkers that attached themselves to Sanders 2016. Looking at Tulsi Gabbard specifically, here

mh, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 17:10 (three months ago)

suspect this story has legs because a. some people just want it to be true b. it has a certain logic of bernie and trump both being outsider candidates which tbf i could see it working that way, except that i think youd have to factor in a countervailing force which is that bernie is a pretty far left candidate so that makes his supporters less likely to go hard right

lag∞n, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 17:14 (three months ago)

I have the suspicion that sometimes people who haven't engaged with politics that much get enthusiastic about an outlier candidate and go insane when their candidate doesn't win

mh, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 17:17 (three months ago)

saw it with Sanders in 2016

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 17:19 (three months ago)

I have two acquaintances who still vote Dem b/c Bernie told them to and for whom the 2016 loss was devastating

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 17:20 (three months ago)

The biggest failure of both Bernie and the DNC post-2016 was to find a way to convert the energy of his run into a lasting movement. But the DNC wasn't interested, and Bernie didn't really have a vision or strategy for that.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 17:46 (three months ago)

more voters went from hillary to mccain than from bernie to trump as far as elections go, think the whole bernie to trump story is prob just some bs cooked up by the usual suspects

― lag∞n, Tuesday, November 4, 2025 8:46 AM (fifty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

astroturfed nonsense for sure

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 17:47 (three months ago)

yeah I'm not claiming my anecdotal experience points to any larger pattern, but it's certainly been striking to see multiple people I know go down that road

sleeve, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 17:48 (three months ago)

tl;dr 2016 broke a lot of people's brains

sleeve, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 17:48 (three months ago)

makes me wonder what sort of content the algorithm is serving them

c u (crüt), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 17:50 (three months ago)

New York, here’s a little history on why we’ll win this race—last stretch magic courtesy of the good luck truck!#VoteforCuomo pic.twitter.com/FdWX0Xqos5

— Andrew Cuomo (@andrewcuomo) November 4, 2025

this is, simply, a tim robinson sketch

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 17:55 (three months ago)

lol well, win or lose, at least he's fulfilled his main mission: to make it very clear that that is NOT an OJ Bronco

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 18:04 (three months ago)

the ol good luck oj bronco gotta love it

lag∞n, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 18:05 (three months ago)

I've also been ridiculed quite a bit, people saying oh, that's the OJ bronco, actually it's not the OJ bronco and if you look closer

verbatim

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 18:07 (three months ago)

holy fucking shit at that cuomo video what the fuck

ivy., Tuesday, 4 November 2025 18:09 (three months ago)

folks we're gonna win because of my truck

ivy., Tuesday, 4 November 2025 18:09 (three months ago)

which, i just have to say, is not the bronco that OJ drove. just clarifying this for you all, in case anyone was considering asking

ivy., Tuesday, 4 November 2025 18:10 (three months ago)

that's why it's good luck. OJ didn't drive this truck. i did

ivy., Tuesday, 4 November 2025 18:11 (three months ago)

some automobilia history 4 u

lag∞n, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 18:13 (three months ago)

"yeah I see that!"

jaymc, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 18:14 (three months ago)

many team cuomo people going full tim robinson today

https://bsky.app/profile/wapplehouse.bsky.social/post/3m4szaljp4226

lag∞n, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 18:15 (three months ago)

you can tell that Bronco video idea came from someone born after the Clinton administration

My homies buttthole surfers' record sounds like a f (Western® with Bacon Flavor), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 18:17 (three months ago)

many team cuomo people going full tim robinson today

https://bsky.app/profile/wapplehouse.bsky.social/post/3m4szaljp4226

― lag∞n, Tuesday, November 4, 2025 10:15 AM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Big “Pacino great ass” energy in that delivery

omar little, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 18:19 (three months ago)

Cuomo murdered Nicole Brown Simpson and I am voting for him. That's how bad things are in New York.

jaymc, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 18:20 (three months ago)

she really floors it xp

lag∞n, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 18:20 (three months ago)

Mamdani Votes in Favor of Ballot Proposals 1-5

Labubu phalloplasty (Deflatormouse), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 18:22 (three months ago)

i know the discussion has moved on but there are definitely a lot of men out there in the united states who only want to tick for the dick. whether they can fully admit that's the reason or not. usually it's coded in language.

she freaks, she speaks (map), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 18:26 (three months ago)

lol he's even lying about the car — "Many many years, many good memories, I had the kids in this truck when they were very small."

He bought in 2013 for his 16- and 17-year-old daughters to drive.

https://www.nydailynews.com/2013/01/08/cuomo-chases-down-ebay-deal-on-white-bronco/

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 18:30 (three months ago)

Anyway, I'm going with the conventional political wisdom that if your Election Day social media pitch involves you explaining how you're really not like O.J. Simpson, your campaign is in trouble.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 18:34 (three months ago)

the dinky piano music is killing me

c u (crüt), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 18:36 (three months ago)

lol he's even lying about the car — "Many many years, many good memories, I had the kids in this truck when they were very small."

He bought in 2013 for his 16- and 17-year-old daughters to _drive_.

https://www.nydailynews.com/2013/01/08/cuomo-chases-down-ebay-deal-on-white-bronco🕸/

Were they the ones Jennifer Rubin enthused about how they’ve obviously been “eating their spaghetti and meatballs”?

This dark glowing bohemian coffeehouse (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 18:36 (three months ago)

i know the discussion has moved on but there are definitely a lot of men out there in the united states who only want to tick for the dick. whether they can fully admit that's the reason or not. usually it's coded in language.

― she freaks, she speaks (map), Tuesday, November 4, 2025 10:26 AM (eight minutes ago)

sure, there are lots of dumb reasons people decide to vote or not to vote. we should try to find candidates who can appeal to the most number of people while supporting policies that will actually help everyone. we had someone like that in 2016 and 2020

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 18:37 (three months ago)

"If I Won It"

the way out of (Eazy), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 18:46 (three months ago)

sure, there are lots of dumb reasons people decide to vote or not to vote. we should try to find candidates who can appeal to the most number of people while supporting policies that will actually help everyone. we had someone like that in 2016 and 2020

― comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.),

Never pegged you as a Trump voter.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 18:48 (three months ago)

it’s really the fact that it’s not oj’s bronco that accounts for cuomo’s success. that truck is driving him to victory. because it’s not oj’s truck

ivy., Tuesday, 4 November 2025 18:49 (three months ago)

People keep saying, 'IS that the OJ truck?' No, dummy, it's not the OJ truck. Have you seen the OJ truck? Did it have this stripe? No, it didn't.' And then they say "do you and Chis ever call yourselves the Super Mario Sons?"

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 18:50 (three months ago)

if your Election Day social media pitch involves you explaining how you're really not like O.J. Simpson, your campaign is in trouble.

otm, this is hiliarous

sleeve, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 18:52 (three months ago)

I really hope the NYC voting machines are straight...

the way out of (Eazy), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 18:56 (three months ago)

In the words of Johnnie Cochran:

If you're not in a truck
you must be a cuck

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 19:01 (three months ago)

people are asking me a lot of questions about my "my ford bronco is NOT the OJ truck" shirt

ivy., Tuesday, 4 November 2025 19:04 (three months ago)

It’s almost willfully stupid, it kinda takes your breath away

Clever Message Board User Name (Raymond Cummings), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 19:05 (three months ago)

lol he's even lying about the car — "Many many years, many good memories, I had the kids in this truck when they were very small."

He bought in 2013 for his 16- and 17-year-old daughters to drive.

https://www.nydailynews.com/2013/01/08/cuomo-chases-down-ebay-deal-on-white-bronco/

― paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, November 4, 2025 1:30 PM (thirty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

jfc this guy

lag∞n, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 19:06 (three months ago)

Were they the ones Jennifer Rubin enthused about how they’ve obviously been “eating their spaghetti and meatballs”?

I believe she was referring to a boyfriend of one of those daughters

symsymsym, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 19:23 (three months ago)

the neocons tell the best joeks

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 19:24 (three months ago)

she said the boyfriend looks nice and the girls ate their spaghetti and meat balls (sic), idk why im cursed with this knowledge

lag∞n, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 19:25 (three months ago)

Jennifer Rubin has been a bit of a fascination of mine, having been first on the dead tree Washington Post stanning hard for Mitt Romney in 2012, then exiled to online only where she went the Never Trump route.

This dark glowing bohemian coffeehouse (Boring, Maryland), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 19:35 (three months ago)

meat space balls

fall of the house of urrsher (sic), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 20:48 (three months ago)

the ol good luck oj bronco gotta love it

― lag∞n, Tuesday, November 4, 2025 12:05 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

but does he have triples? triples is best

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 21:49 (three months ago)

lol at this little blurb on the NYTimes homepage:

Mamdani faces questions over a link to Jeremy Corbyn, a U.K. politician who was accused of antisemitism.

surely there's no link Cuomo or Sliwa might have to someone accused of antisemitism!

My homies buttthole surfers' record sounds like a f (Western® with Bacon Flavor), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 21:58 (three months ago)

Nothing says "all outta ideas" like trying to whip up a bit of scandal about a politician facing questions from his opponents about his links to a foreign politician who was accused by his opponents of having moral failings.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 22:09 (three months ago)

Mamdani Votes in Favor of Ballot Proposals 1-5

I was kind of wondering why he hadn't spoken out about this because this could be a pretty big deal. Just to give an example, the Elizabeth Street Garden was saved from destruction after protests led by some high profile residents who use that garden - Patti Smith, for one - but had the relevant proposals already been put into law, Adams would've been able to bulldoze it easily. I don't think Mamdani is going to go after the Elizabeth Street Garden, but it's clear he'll have an easier time building housing if those plans aren't so easily challenged by locals, something that may be unavoidable. We'll have to wait and see if the proposals pass first, but it's just one of those scenarios that nag at me. Politics suck for this reason - when you're at the top, you're always going to make somebody who voted for you unhappy - but I'm hoping for the best.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 22:57 (three months ago)

he has said we shd build over ESG

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 23:18 (three months ago)

"my mom is not in favor of this"

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Tuesday, 4 November 2025 23:18 (three months ago)

oof...missed it but see it now.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 4 November 2025 23:41 (three months ago)

you can't use ESG like that in nyc

mookieproof, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 00:16 (three months ago)

twice as much as last cycle

Decision desk HQ is projecting NYC turnout total around 2.3M

lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 00:33 (three months ago)

best since the Guiliani-Dinkins race

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 00:38 (three months ago)

wonder if that's good for the young good looking dude with popular ideas or the guy who everyone hates

frogbs, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 00:43 (three months ago)

Depends - what's the percentage of masochists in NYC?

birdistheword, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 00:53 (three months ago)

I can mention several Village gay bars.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 00:59 (three months ago)

Every time I've tried to take shelter in the ESG it either isn't open even though the sign says it should be open right now, or there are no more seats available and no one is moving. Therefore I support building affordable senior housing on public land in its place.

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 01:05 (three months ago)

I can't see why they can't compromise like they did with Bugs Bunny.

birdistheword, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 01:16 (three months ago)

no sawing off florida, no credibility

mookieproof, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 01:18 (three months ago)

eat shit tonight!

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The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 01:32 (three months ago)

36% in, Mamdani up 12

jaymc, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 02:06 (three months ago)

lol you're watching MSNBC, jaymc

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 02:07 (three months ago)

no I dont have cable. i am on the NYT site.

jaymc, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 02:08 (three months ago)

Decision desk called it

a (waterface), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 02:10 (three months ago)

woke is back baby woke 2.0 lets gooo

lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 02:11 (three months ago)

what the fuck is Decision Desk

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 02:12 (three months ago)

futures so woke i sold my bed

petey, pablo & mary (m bison), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 02:12 (three months ago)

what the fuck is Decision Desk

― The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, November 4, 2025 8:12 PM (thirty-seven seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

it comes with a free indecision chair at ikea

petey, pablo & mary (m bison), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 02:13 (three months ago)

Decision Desk is legit but they do tend to call races before others do, which makes me anxious.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decision_Desk_HQ

jaymc, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 02:13 (three months ago)

Cuomo is winning Deep Gold Staten Island.

Lady Sovereign (Citizen) (milo z), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 02:15 (three months ago)

what the fuck is Decision Desk

― The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, November 4, 2025 6:12 PM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

it’s where you go before the taking of a toast and tea

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 02:20 (three months ago)

Gonna do an unprecedented thing and mix a Negroni on a school night.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 02:21 (three months ago)

a precedent is being broken

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 02:22 (three months ago)

are there other steps between DECISION DESK and SITUATION ROOM

mookieproof, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 02:24 (three months ago)

are there other steps between DECISION DESK and SITUATION ROOM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UWzW0ZNkT4

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 02:25 (three months ago)

NBC calls it.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 02:33 (three months ago)

Start packing, you New Yorkers. Joe Stalin's the new sheriff.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 02:33 (three months ago)

AP called it too. It's Cuover.

jaymc, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 02:35 (three months ago)

your move, Dershowitz

sleeve, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 02:35 (three months ago)

It is so over. The only question is if Mamdani clears 50 percent — which would be nice symbolically but is otherwise meaningless. Looks like a good night across the board!

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 02:37 (three months ago)

I felt a great disturbance in New York, as if millions of Italians suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced. I fear something hilarious has happened.

Edward Albee Sure (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 02:37 (three months ago)

xpost he did!

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 02:40 (three months ago)

lol I flipped to FOX for a second and DeSantis is explaining with sad face why migration has helped Florida.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 02:40 (three months ago)

Great results today

Edward Albee Sure (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 02:41 (three months ago)

Brendel

Not a fan of Sliwa but I admire that he’s a genuine weirdo who’s gonna go home to his 17 cats and get a good nights sleep and enjoy living in New York for the next four years while Cuomo is snapping 12 pencils in his hands every five seconds and won’t have a moment of inner peace

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 02:42 (three months ago)

His speech ripping Cuomo was amusing. He sounded like Jack Lemmon

Edward Albee Sure (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 02:44 (three months ago)

jfc

https://i.imgur.com/RhhYufc.jpeg

mookieproof, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 02:51 (three months ago)

Let me guess, the article uses the word parasocial.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 02:54 (three months ago)

Maine voting against MAGA-style changes to voting, and in favor of red flag laws.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 02:56 (three months ago)

https://i.imgur.com/dR0tIso.jpeg

mookieproof, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 03:01 (three months ago)

let's gooooooo

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 03:03 (three months ago)

You have to imagine even their subeditors are rolling their eyes when they put up headlines like that.

assert (matttkkkk), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 03:04 (three months ago)

NYP overpromising AGAIN

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 03:04 (three months ago)

Zohran Mamdani’s victory would imperil Jews and embolden totalitarians everywhere in the world. If New York falls, the entire free world may again totter on its foundations, writes Bernard-Henri Lévy.

let's fucking totter

mookieproof, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 03:11 (three months ago)

i need a spidercuh sidetalk video for this

petey, pablo & mary (m bison), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 03:15 (three months ago)

Pardon the embed, but the young men are getting de-Roganified:

Zohran +40 with young men (18-29) is insane https://t.co/GN0xnyu628

— Matthew Sitman (@MatthewSitman) November 5, 2025

the way out of (Eazy), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 03:22 (three months ago)

The NYT immediately drops a pre-written sniffy editorial lecturing Mamdani not to think too big and laying out six specific goals and metrics that they'll be measuring his performance by.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 03:24 (three months ago)

the hellgate staff, bless their hearts, are deadly on camera

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 03:24 (three months ago)

I was hoping the NY Post cover would be the Statue of Liberty holding a copy of the Communist Manifesto.

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 03:28 (three months ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NF75d5GCGXE

petey, pablo & mary (m bison), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 03:28 (three months ago)

ty

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 03:30 (three months ago)

thats from 4 years ago when he lost the gov race but its still relevant

petey, pablo & mary (m bison), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 03:36 (three months ago)

I gotta say that the NY Post feels very confident of its readership's politics.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 03:40 (three months ago)

just thinking about how cuomo was planning on picking up an easy victory to use as a stepping stone back to statewide office, lmao

lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 04:16 (three months ago)

kinda wonder what might have happened had the candidate every single rich new yorker settled on *not* been an asshole sex pest

no matter, they're surely all now moving to miami and becoming alfred's problem

mookieproof, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 04:31 (three months ago)

TURN THE VOLUME UP!

whimsical skeedaddler (Moodles), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 04:49 (three months ago)

fuckin wrecked

Mamdani: "I wish Andrew Cuomo only the best in private life but let tonight be the final time I utter his name."

https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3m4u7c666qd2t

lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 04:51 (three months ago)

hahahahaha

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 05:01 (three months ago)

he started his victory speech with a fuckin eugene debs quote, i fuckin love this guy

petey, pablo & mary (m bison), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 05:23 (three months ago)

Where Next for the Fight and Deliver Party?

mookieproof, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 05:45 (three months ago)

Well this is nice to wake up to

Rory DelayRepay (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 06:15 (three months ago)

watching clips of him verbally murdering the Dem establishment creepazoid Cuomo was probably the most fun I have ever had with US politics.

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 06:55 (three months ago)

During the primary, Mr. Mamdani struggled to win some working-class Black and Latino areas. He overcame those challenges in a major way on Tuesday night.

With almost 90 percent of the votes counted, Mr. Mamdani was winning the Bronx by 11 points, a striking turnaround from the primary when he lost the county to Mr. Cuomo by 18 points.

In working-class neighborhoods like Kingsbridge in the Bronx, Mr. Cuomo beat Mr. Mamdani by almost two points in the primary. On Tuesday night, Mr. Mamdani was winning the neighborhood by 14 points.

In Brownsville, Brooklyn, one of the most economically deprived neighborhoods in the city, Mr. Mamdani was winning by 18 points. Mr. Cuomo had won the neighborhood by 40 points in the primary.

But things changed after the primary. Mr. Mamdani said doors to places in some of those neighborhoods that he lost began to open to him. As the Democratic nominee for mayor, community groups wanted to meet with him, and he suddenly found himself invited into pulpits to speak almost every Sunday.

The campaign also made a point of emphasizing how Mr. Mamdani’s focus on affordability would help a family of four in Brownsville as much as it would a young person who had recently moved to the city.

“It is really without a question an electoral victory that belongs to working-class and middle-class people who are dissatisfied with a political system that tells people who are struggling to just wait or endure,” said Ana María Archila, a co-director of the New York Working Families Party.


hoping this is instructive. democrats want to, and will, vote for democrats if you give them good choices. we should choose the best one to represent the party

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 06:59 (three months ago)

.@ZohranKMamdani, congrats on the win. Now you have a big responsibility. If I can help NYC, just let me know what I can do.

— Bill Ackman (@BillAckman) November 5, 2025

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 07:21 (three months ago)

Look at how short that tweet is.

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 07:22 (three months ago)

this is cool. well done nyc.

LocalGarda, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 07:31 (three months ago)

Just found out he's an Arsenal fan lol

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 08:00 (three months ago)

didn't surprise me, there seem to be shitloads of arsenal fans among nyc us soccerball types

LocalGarda, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 08:02 (three months ago)

the political value of an Obama endorsement is now worth about 12 and a half pence. This is a good day

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 08:10 (three months ago)

just this cringeworthy Obama tweet that dare not even name Mumdani while trying to ride on his coattails

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 08:13 (three months ago)

Honestly it was over from this moment https://t.co/J6HotFqiJ9

— NJ (@NoJusticeMTG) November 5, 2025




"slapping fannies and killing grannies" was an all time killer attack line tbf on the loser with the daft Frank Spencer hat!

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 08:20 (three months ago)

Very funny tweets, this one struggles with numbers:

"Final thoughts on the NYC mayoral race:

Mamdani got 1,026,261

All tolled, others got 1,012,215

If there had been a one-on-one race starting in October, with all the non-Mamdani candidates unifying—which would have avoided all the non-Mamdani candidates attacking each other incessantly for the home stretch—we would have won and beat Mamdani.

My math from July was right. [👇]"

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 10:29 (three months ago)

cool to see that Bill Ackman has agreed to fund ten independent newspapers and 20 years of journalism scholarships for young woc and then ritually set himself on fire in Times Square

fall of the house of urrsher (sic), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 10:42 (three months ago)

xxp that math adds up!

My homies buttthole surfers' record sounds like a f (Western® with Bacon Flavor), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 12:47 (three months ago)

the political value of an Obama endorsement is now worth about 12 and a half pence. This is a good day

― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Wednesday, November 5, 2025 2:10 AM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

just this cringeworthy Obama tweet that dare not even name Mumdani while trying to ride on his coattails

― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Wednesday, November 5, 2025 2:13 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

No idea what you are going on about this. This is what I have read about Obama and Mamdani:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/01/nyregion/zohran-mamdani-barack-obama-election.html

jaymc, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 13:12 (three months ago)

lmao

jaymc, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 13:17 (three months ago)

We need Ella and Wallace Shawn to do a national barnstorming GOTV tour next year.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 13:33 (three months ago)

hell I'd listen to their podcast

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 13:33 (three months ago)

xps

(as far as I know) Bama didn't endorse him and didn't name him in a vague congrats tweet I saw this morning which struck me as a bit oddly perfunctory. That's all I'm talking about. Even if I'm wrong in some my of assumptions here I wouldn't waste as much energy as you do being an apologist for these loathsome ghouls. They are amongst most evil, corrupt ppl in the world ffs!

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 13:38 (three months ago)

This is incredible

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DOXgYpAkXzl/?igsh=MWJ0enRreDU4anBibw==

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 13:39 (three months ago)

not trying to defend the obungler here but he doesnt endorse anyone tries to stay above the fray and so forth

lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 13:42 (three months ago)

wow at that video ums posted

congratulations New York!

rob, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 13:43 (three months ago)

12 and a half. . . pence?????

also had no idea about that taxi medallion stuff, what an awesome dude Mamdani is

a (waterface), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 13:44 (three months ago)

he does endorse drone strikes on weddings iirc

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 13:44 (three months ago)

I wanted to make sure he won before making grand pronouncements, but ZM really does seem like potentially a major figure for the left. I hope his organization can expand effectively

rob, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 13:46 (three months ago)

Chris Sommerfeldt c-sommerfeldt.bsky.social‬

Zohran Mamdani says on NY1 he didn't get a congratulatory call from either Andrew Cuomo or Eric Adams last night.

He says he got a congratulatory call from Curtis Sliwa, though.

https://bsky.app/profile/c-sommerfeldt.bsky.social/post/3m4v5fuccfs2z

lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 13:46 (three months ago)

Sliwa coming out of this looking, relatively speaking, like a real one is hilarious. I mean fuck him he's a racist, but still

rob, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 13:48 (three months ago)

when the subway vigilante looks like a great guy compared to you you know youre a real shithead fuckface

lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 13:49 (three months ago)

xp yeah it is

beige accent rug (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 13:51 (three months ago)

Sliwa reminds me of a lot of the dirtbags I grew up with. Many of them were absolute pieces of shit while also having more innate character than the people pretending to like you.

our beloved RIFF LORD (DJP), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 13:51 (three months ago)

that silly hat and his accent has some natural comedic value that not many standard pols have

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 13:53 (three months ago)

This is also a Problematic Fave, Cuomo could never inspire anything like it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKJ7BgBCuvY

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 14:02 (three months ago)

Never forget

https://d.imgvision.net/bobsondugnutt/Screenshot_2025-11-05_at_8.42.53_AM.png

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 14:03 (three months ago)

Ugh sorry, was trying to use a non-Imgur host. Anyway, it's Nate Silver's tweet from 2022:

It's probably foolish to think a NYC mayor will successfully translate into being a national political figure, but I still think Eric Adams would be in my top 5 for "who will be the next Democratic presidential nominee after Joe Biden?".

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 14:04 (three months ago)

pundits, legacy media are looking so out of touch with reality

lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 14:06 (three months ago)

xp uh my recall of ny 1980 media it was like ‘i guess we need travis bickle and guardian angels to clean up the subway’ it was a time

beige accent rug (Hunt3r), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 14:07 (three months ago)

dont forget bernie goetz

lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 14:09 (three months ago)

What - has imgur been milkshake ducked or something?

peace, man, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 14:11 (three months ago)

its blocked in the uk

lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 14:11 (three months ago)

ah shit. good to know. thanks.

peace, man, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 14:12 (three months ago)

sometimes we pretend to be an autonomous country rather than a US vassal state and just block stuff for the fuck of it!

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 14:14 (three months ago)

wild to reflect on how likely this all was a year ago everyone thought cuomo was gonna walk away with it he was 40 points up on adams and mamdani was polling at 1%

lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 14:39 (three months ago)

the andrew cuomo campaign, where absolutely nothing can go worng

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 15:54 (three months ago)

i guess the good luck truck (that is NOT the OJ Bronco) failed to come through

jaymc, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 15:55 (three months ago)

OJ actually won

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 15:58 (three months ago)

shouldve got the oj bronco

lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 15:59 (three months ago)

lol bye bye bye

New York — FDNY Commissioner Robert S. Tucker has submitted his resignation, effective next month, according to a report published Wednesday by the New York Post. Tucker, described by the Post as a Jewish businessman and philanthropist with longstanding involvement in New York’s Jewish community organizations, has led the department for just over a year. The report said he plans to return to the private sector. No official reason for the resignation was cited.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 16:17 (three months ago)

“No official reason for the resignation was cited.” lol

Clever Message Board User Name (Raymond Cummings), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 16:25 (three months ago)

Tucker was appointed FDNY fire commissioner by New York City Mayor Eric Adams on August 12, 2024. Six weeks before Tucker was appointed FDNY commissioner, eight employees of Tucker’s former business made political contributions to Adams on the same day.[8] Tucker has never been a firefighter or emergency response official. He is a self-described "fire buff" who cites his time as a young boy chasing fire engines as inspiration for his service.[9]

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 16:27 (three months ago)

They put hos in NY into FDNY

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 16:29 (three months ago)

as Aquinas once said, one of the pleasures of heaven is watching the damned burn in hell

Rory DelayRepay (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 16:29 (three months ago)

lol <3 NV

sleeve, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 16:31 (three months ago)

lol president keys

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 16:34 (three months ago)

TIL "fire buff" is the origin of that meaning of "buff"

c u (crüt), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 16:35 (three months ago)

whoa, had to look that up:

origin, originally a person enthusiastic about firefighting and firefighters, allegedly after the buff uniforms once worn by volunteer firefighters in New York City

Kim Kimberly, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 16:39 (three months ago)

https://i.postimg.cc/VLfTkMx5/ab7v5g.jpg

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 16:41 (three months ago)

https://y.yarn.co/139ff084-0d86-4462-b1ed-a79e8f562996_text.gif

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 16:42 (three months ago)

How’s Debra Messing doing

colonic interrogation (gyac), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 16:47 (three months ago)

"She ran out to get her head shaved."

omar little, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 17:06 (three months ago)

i love those numbers in Virginia, those shifts are wild. the GOP has to be frightened of at the prospect of Trump keeling over (or getting keeled over.)

omar little, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 17:07 (three months ago)

nice news, congrats ny!

she freaks, she speaks (map), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 17:21 (three months ago)

one thing i'm stuck on today is the broad and diverse zohran coalition rising up on the same day that kamala harris released a statement mourning dick cheney as a "devoted public servant" who had a "strong sense of dedication." if it hadn't actually happened it would feel too on the nose to be real, but you really could not ask for a better illustration of why one candidate was a historic and disastrous loser and the other is carving a path forward for democratic electoral politics. i've never felt better about my decision to not vote for kamala (or hakeem jefferies for that matter) than i do today, after seeing that statement and getting to elect the kind of politician my non-vote of protest was meant to push the party toward (in my own little one voter way)

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 17:39 (three months ago)

jfc I hadn't seen that abt Harris/Cheney, yep that's the same BS Clinton pulled with Kissinger, I'm over it.

sleeve, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 17:41 (three months ago)

Jay Jones result is unreal given those texts. Triple down!

colonic interrogation (gyac), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 17:44 (three months ago)

Virginia Republicans will now be hunted for sport

This dark glowing bohemian coffeehouse (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 17:55 (three months ago)

Yeah the Jay Jones win is good for lots of reasons but one of them is that maybe Trump's degradation of civic discourse really has reached a point where the lowered standards apply to everyone now. For the last decade the right-wing media has continued to often successfully tone-police Democrats and the left for any perceived extreme rhetoric, even as Trump just says whatever he wants about whoever he wants all the time. The double standard has been showing signs of strain — more Democrats are swearing in public, e.g. — but this is the strongest repudiation of it.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 17:56 (three months ago)

(not that I particularly endorse or encourage the degradation of civic discourse — although letting grown-ups swear like grown-ups is fine by me — but it's just insane that the party of Trump gets to ever get away with being shocked and appalled by intemperate language)

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 17:57 (three months ago)

On a related note, Mamdani's victory shows that a candidate no longer has to bend the knee to Israel in order to be elected.

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 17:58 (three months ago)

^ i noted this in conversation with my husband this morning.

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 18:00 (three months ago)

in the most jewish city outside of israel, too

harper valley paul thomas anderson (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 18:04 (three months ago)

still disgusted by the smear campaign waged against mamdani, and how so many of my jewish relatives refused to see the smears for the nonsense that they are

harper valley paul thomas anderson (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 18:04 (three months ago)

Tom Ewing‬
✧@tomew✧✧✧.b✧✧✧.soc✧✧✧‬
· 58m
I have good news for Americans enjoying freakouts on X - we are now nine years into our most famous city being run by a friendly Muslim guy and the far right are still incapable of being normal about it even for a single day

sleeve, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 18:10 (three months ago)

Just to add another video that may not have gone viral in the UK (but did so here), after the primary in April, someone I know from back home told me point blank that Mamdani would stand by smiling while the Jewish community was "rounded up." Completely overlooked was how there were other people who were indeed being rounded up by the current administration, something I don't recall him ever protesting but our new mayor did and a whole lot more.

birdistheword, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 18:10 (three months ago)

Jay Jones result is unreal given those texts. Triple down!

Yeah the Jay Jones win is good for lots of reasons but one of them is that maybe Trump's degradation of civic discourse really has reached a point where the lowered standards apply to everyone now. For the last decade the right-wing media has continued to often successfully tone-police Democrats and the left for any perceived extreme rhetoric, even as Trump just says whatever he wants about whoever he wants all the time. The double standard has been showing signs of strain — more Democrats are swearing in public, e.g. — but this is the strongest repudiation of it.

Good news for Graham Platner.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 18:16 (three months ago)

all the posts I'm seeing with images of the Twin Towers exploding with the caption "We Forgot" would be disgusting if they weren't so hilarious, I admit I like Mamdani and think his ideas are good it's just hilarious to think a guy so outwardly personable and well-spoken and friendly would be like "9/11 was good actually" especially when 9/11 conspiracy theorists have infested the federal government and the President himself reacted to the news with "well, now my building's the biggest"

frogbs, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 18:20 (three months ago)

it's just hilarious to think a guy so outwardly personable and well-spoken and friendly would be like "9/11 was good actually"

[on the subway]
"So what's your take?"

the way out of (Eazy), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 18:23 (three months ago)

Trying to imagine the director of Mississippi masala raising him to be a sleeper agent for terrorists

omar little, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 18:24 (three months ago)

Something I just found out: the reason why Mamdani was born in Uganda in the first place is because his parents met when his soon-to-be-mother was doing field research for Mississippi Masala.

birdistheword, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 18:40 (three months ago)

all the posts I'm seeing with images of the Twin Towers exploding with the caption "We Forgot" would be disgusting if they weren't so hilarious

It's also funny given how people were acting on 9/11 of this very year.

MarkoP, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 18:48 (three months ago)

I admit I like Mamdani and think his ideas are good it's just hilarious to think a guy so outwardly personable and well-spoken and friendly would be like "9/11 was good actually"

This is why Cuomo was harping on Mamdani not distancing himself from Hasan Piker. The trouble with that is that not all that many people know who Hasan Piker is.

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 18:48 (three months ago)

wow at that video ums posted

is this available publicly anywhere?

fall of the house of urrsher (sic), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 19:07 (three months ago)

Keep the Meter Running: Ramadan Edition!

I hopped in a taxi to Iftar with Kareem Rahma (@SubwayTakes) and longtime yellow cab driver Mouhamadou, who I went on hunger strike with in 2021 to win historic debt relief.

Special thanks to @DRUMBeatsNYC. pic.twitter.com/hU5UAPZjNg

— Zohran Kwame Mamdani (@ZohranKMamdani) March 27, 2025


https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1716021775962037
https://www.tiktok.com/@keepthemeterrunning/video/7486626426880412958
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VEuPsobr3Q

jaymc, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 19:13 (three months ago)

oops sorry for auto-embeds

jaymc, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 19:13 (three months ago)

Lina Khan on the transition team!
https://www.transition2025.com/

jaymc, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 19:20 (three months ago)

Xxxxxxp to Tipsy re: coarsening of discourse: Jones’ comments were in leaked private texts! It’s not like he said it at a rally or on campaign material!

This dark glowing bohemian coffeehouse (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 19:24 (three months ago)

And it was about killing *a* Republican not everyone.

NB: I would have voted for him if his platform actually was murdering all Republicans

This dark glowing bohemian coffeehouse (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 19:26 (three months ago)

lot of people want to murder republicans these days, im all for the coarsening of discourse if it allows some honest expression instead of like tv weirdos demanding their guests disavow hamas while teachers pet ivy league weirdos run everything

lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 19:30 (three months ago)

Jones’ comments were in leaked private texts! It’s not like he said it at a rally or on campaign material!

Yep but they still went all-in on using it to disqualify him. With some success I guess — he got about 5 percent less of the vote than Spanberger. Tho he was also running against an incumbent and a stronger candidate than Spanberger faced. But I'm glad it didn't work. Not that that'll discourage more totally hypocritical shaming from the right, of course.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 19:33 (three months ago)

the solution is to double down

lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 19:34 (three months ago)

its a bit harder for them to press on this when it keeps getting revealed that Republicans talk this way amongst themselves all the time

frogbs, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 19:35 (three months ago)

some incredible stuff being produced by very normal people today

https://cdn.bsky.app/img/feed_fullsize/plain/did:plc:bumu6s332o24fppobse7j3ms/bafkreidatjorhlg2l2nlhj7ectlbnk5nzg3sjg3dxpu4ul73gzxuzo537m@jpeg

lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 19:41 (three months ago)

Miyares had been trying to run a middle of the road don’t scare the hoes campaign and was neck and neck with Jones even before the texts

This dark glowing bohemian coffeehouse (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 19:44 (three months ago)

nearly everyone is pro-murder (of politicians) these days. The majority of them do deserve to murdered tbf. In the UK they just brought in some bullshit draconian law where you can get a 6 month custodial sentence for just merely protesting near a member of parliaments house.

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 19:45 (three months ago)

Whattttttttttttttt?????????

This dark glowing bohemian coffeehouse (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 19:48 (three months ago)

xxxpost

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6yLQRF-cEU

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 19:50 (three months ago)

A month ago Inwas literally chanting “From the River to the Sea” outside my (Democratic) Senator’s house!

This dark glowing bohemian coffeehouse (Boring, Maryland), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 19:50 (three months ago)

pensioners holding signs with slogan of support for respected anti-genocide (but proscribed) direction action protest group, people peacefully protesting near an MPs house. Lots of Just Stop Oil protesters (currently serving prison sentences), these are some of the most dangerous criminals in the UK!

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 19:56 (three months ago)

when racist rightoids compare Khan to Mamdani, they just have no understanding how much further to the left Zohran is. I don't think Khan is as bigoted the Labour leadership is, but he's certainly a careerist politician with no interest in socialist policies at all. Not even that old canard "affordable housing" most recently.

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 20:01 (three months ago)

Yes, I don't know how left wing Mamdani actually is but Sadiq Khan certainly isn't.

Massage Attack (Tom D.), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 20:09 (three months ago)

He’s pretty left wing man. He wants rent freezes, city run grocery stores, lots of the good stuff

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 20:18 (three months ago)

(Mamdani)

Tracer Hand, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 20:19 (three months ago)

when Khan became London mayor in 2015 he did a horrible speech that used the word "power" a ridiculous amount of times in order to undermine the first left-wing Labour leader since Michael Foot. He was basically crowing that he was in power because he is a sensible adult and NOT left-wing.

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 20:19 (three months ago)

xp

free childcare financed by wealth taxes as well

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 20:20 (three months ago)

Corbyn’s voters got him on the ballot because he was the most viable candidate who as a MP nominated Jeremy for leader.

einstürzende louboutin (suzy), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 20:22 (three months ago)

Margaret Beckett also nominate Corbyn!

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 20:24 (three months ago)

he was telling people to ditch Corbyn for Owen Smith during the chicken coup. I've never been a fan of Khan. But Mamdani is very likable.

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 20:33 (three months ago)

Sadiq’s policies are truly fucking awful but let’s not forget the absolutely demented levels of racism levelled at him too - that affects every Asian in public life regardless of whether you think he’s shit. Let’s not forget that DON’T VOTE SADIQ HE’LL TAKE YOUR GOLD mailout that was targeted to Indian households and the rantings of various fascists about him over the years. Like I said on here before, I’m always having to defend him even though I’m not a fan because the people against him are so much worse.

(I just spent a fruitless 10 minutes looking for a weird formerly widely circulated painting of Khan putting a noose around Tommy Robinson’s neck under a stunning *crescent moon*, but then I realised that it’s likely on my backup and I can’t be fucked looking for it. Truly some special fash art that I wanted to quote lagoon’s post with. If anyone else knows the image I mean, post it!)

colonic interrogation (gyac), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 21:34 (three months ago)

This has been so gratifying as a leftish W that is boiling the piss of the worst pricks around, also it will be good to hear a bit less on a daily basis about who will be mayor of this town in a country I don’t live in

fact checking suz (wins), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 21:58 (three months ago)

we do live in the US empire tbf

there is often just no coherence to the reasons given why most racist morons hate Khan (it's a mystery). But ffs there are so many genuine, non-bigoted arguments
of why he is a complete waste of space that just don't get aired enough imo! I mean yeah, he isn't Zac Goldsmith, that much is confirmed.

Just like seeing the bar raised by people like Zohran. Or at least trying to raise the bar.

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 22:03 (three months ago)

The painting was actually posted by bg on ilx back in 2019 but because it was on imgur I had to send the link to a friend, get her to download it and send it back to me. Ofc this is a pre-AI piece when you had to put your back into it to create deranged racist art

https://i.postimg.cc/WzTRqRcd/1d729f5e-5660-438c-b29b-308cf99953da.jpg

colonic interrogation (gyac), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 22:20 (three months ago)

The world would be so cool if right wing brain worms were actually correct - the UK lead by dangerous socialist Keir Starmer, the US had a communist muslim elected for two terms.

xpost shocked awe at that

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 22:20 (three months ago)

To go back to Mamdani, saw that he was apparently polling 6% at the beginning of the year? That’s frankly unreal.

colonic interrogation (gyac), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 22:21 (three months ago)

look even Khan's henchman is silencing that sad little girl

Andy the Grasshopper, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 22:26 (three months ago)

xp yes it is amazing, also a great example of how pissed of people have become since January

sleeve, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 22:28 (three months ago)

*pissed off

sleeve, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 22:29 (three months ago)

Makes me think the Dems' best hope for '28 may be a name we aren't even talking about right now.

henry s, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 22:44 (three months ago)

Tokyo Sexwhale?

giving you schtick (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 22:47 (three months ago)

it will be good to hear a bit less on a daily basis about who will be mayor of this town in a country I don’t live in

taps the thread title

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 22:51 (three months ago)

👀 Inbox: The Anti-Defamation League announces launch of initiative “to track and monitor policies and personnel appointments of the incoming Mamdani Administration and protect Jewish residents across the five boroughs.” pic.twitter.com/MLMjvRsbig

— Jacob N. Kornbluh (@jacobkornbluh) November 5, 2025

zohran’s already creating jobs

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 22:53 (three months ago)

ADL’s expanding their department of concern trolling

omar little, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 23:26 (three months ago)

Definitely a good and valuable use of ADL resources, while the entire American right is in a civil war over how much to mainstream Nick Fuentes.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 23:29 (three months ago)

I know Eric Adams fucked himself hard in multiple ways, but it is still kind of crazy that the actual incumbent mayor came in dead last

whimsical skeedaddler (Moodles), Wednesday, 5 November 2025 23:55 (three months ago)

To go back to Mamdani, saw that he was apparently polling 6% at the beginning of the year? That’s frankly unreal.

― colonic interrogation (gyac), Wednesday, November 5, 2025 5:21 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah wild stuff, media was talking like cuomo had already won the race, even people who hate him were mostly resigned

lag∞n, Wednesday, 5 November 2025 23:56 (three months ago)

Meanwhile, the current mayor still is normal.

https://bsky.app/profile/carlquintanilla.bsky.social/post/3m4w5vngfys2c

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 November 2025 00:09 (three months ago)

when can we arrest him

lag∞n, Thursday, 6 November 2025 00:12 (three months ago)

To go back to Mamdani, saw that he was apparently polling 6% at the beginning of the year? That’s frankly unreal.

― colonic interrogation (gyac), Wednesday, November 5, 2025 5:21 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah wild stuff, media was talking like cuomo had already won the race, even people who hate him were mostly resigned

― lag∞n, Wednesday, November 5, 2025 5:56 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

This was me. Cuomo was so ahead with the establishment already backing him, it was really difficult to see any of the other candidates - virtually all comparatively unknown - pushing ahead of him. I actually stopped following the election for quite a while until someone was like "hey, this guy could beat Cuomo!"

birdistheword, Thursday, 6 November 2025 01:04 (three months ago)

i believe white sox pope was at 0% on the main predictive markets before his selection

strong year for polling and crowdsourced predictions (i.e., gambling)

mookieproof, Thursday, 6 November 2025 01:27 (three months ago)

crazy there was another ZM in the race

lag∞n, Thursday, 6 November 2025 02:31 (three months ago)

Not sure why the media is burying this but Mamdani got more more votes than any other NYC mayor has since John Lindsay in 1965, and if all the votes are counted, maybe since Robert Wagner in 1961.

Josefa, Thursday, 6 November 2025 02:37 (three months ago)

who is burying it? it was the nyt's top takeaway from the election: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/05/nyregion/nyc-mayor-election-mamdani-takeaways.html

jaymc, Thursday, 6 November 2025 02:40 (three months ago)

All the reports I've seen, including that one, say "most votes since 1969." Actually Mamdani got more votes than Lindsay did in '69 and is somewhere near the number of votes Lindsay got in '65.

Josefa, Thursday, 6 November 2025 02:43 (three months ago)

Michael Blake (at 2% in the poll above) has just announced he's running for Ritchie Torres's House seat.

His announcement reads, in part: "I am ready to fight for you and lower your cost of living while Ritchie fights for a Genocide. I will focus on Affordable Housing and Books as Ritchie will only focus on AIPAC and Bibi."

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Thursday, 6 November 2025 03:36 (three months ago)

hell yeah, Ritchie Torres can get fucked

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Thursday, 6 November 2025 03:37 (three months ago)

get em

lag∞n, Thursday, 6 November 2025 03:38 (three months ago)

lmao just saw the clip of him going "Mr Trump TURN THE VOLUME UP" this guy rules

frogbs, Thursday, 6 November 2025 03:56 (three months ago)

this video was the first introduction I had to Mamdani, it was more resonant on what happened in 2024 than the millions of thinkpieces. I'll admit I did not think the dude doing the insightful street interviews would become the next mayor of NY:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7FcVCYqQNs

symsymsym, Thursday, 6 November 2025 04:11 (three months ago)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G5A-JTOXEAAIPcR?format=jpg&name=large

just had to check if this is real - it's real!

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Thursday, 6 November 2025 05:58 (three months ago)

supposedly the music is ai-generated

mookieproof, Thursday, 6 November 2025 06:07 (three months ago)

oh lol I wondered what that dirge was, It wasn't loading properly on my pc so I just linked the screenshot.

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Thursday, 6 November 2025 06:09 (three months ago)

Rudy did 9/11

symsymsym, Thursday, 6 November 2025 06:09 (three months ago)

i forgot

z_tbd, Thursday, 6 November 2025 06:11 (three months ago)

was watching a vid of some lefty influencer fools celebrating the win, caught on audio of one of them saying something amongst the noise I liked. "This is what they called during the Cold War: The threat of a good example.

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Thursday, 6 November 2025 07:27 (three months ago)

Nice Guardian article here about Mamdani's volunteer campaign operation, with a special bonus for longtime ILXors in one of the photos toward the bottom ...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/nov/06/zohran-mamdani-campaign-new-york-democrats

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 6 November 2025 16:07 (three months ago)

Noize Dudes for Zohran!

jaymc, Thursday, 6 November 2025 16:12 (three months ago)

lol nice

nashwan, Thursday, 6 November 2025 16:20 (three months ago)

Very nice xp

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 6 November 2025 16:21 (three months ago)

yes! hahah YES!!

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 6 November 2025 16:25 (three months ago)

all mamdani dude election season fun board and phone bank

trm (tombotomod), Thursday, 6 November 2025 16:41 (three months ago)

And also in the second photo down!!!

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 6 November 2025 18:31 (three months ago)

Oh I missed that one!

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 6 November 2025 18:38 (three months ago)

lol

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 6 November 2025 18:53 (three months ago)

ILX! We founded Kickstarter and we elected Zohran. (Sorta.)

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 6 November 2025 19:05 (three months ago)

ha richie torres has a second challenger on his ass

"a system where billionaires bribe our politicians (picture of ritchie torres) to fund genocide in gaza"

tell em what you really think

https://bsky.app/profile/fullslack.bsky.social/post/3m4y7fntv6k2y

lag∞n, Thursday, 6 November 2025 19:08 (three months ago)

pic.twitter.com/OP7R2aqshn

— Elects Out of Context (@ElectsOoC) November 5, 2025

xyzzzz__, Thursday, 6 November 2025 19:33 (three months ago)

A Final Indignity: Cuomo's White Ford Bronco Got a Parking Ticket

challopvious (sleeve), Friday, 7 November 2025 16:35 (three months ago)

Thanks to an eagle-eyed New Yorker, who saw the car illegally parked outside of the ex-gov's Sutton Place apartment on Wednesday, and reported it to 311.

ok, we fould a flaw. Zohran's got some snitch supporters.

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Friday, 7 November 2025 16:40 (three months ago)

what good would reporting it to a band do

Edward Albee Sure (Neanderthal), Friday, 7 November 2025 16:41 (three months ago)

Bronco: I'll be here awhile, ain't going nowhere

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Friday, 7 November 2025 16:46 (three months ago)

one of my best and oldest friends is the person who reported Cuomo’s Bronco lmfao

https://hellgatenyc.com/andrew-cuomo-bronco-parking-ticket/

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Friday, 7 November 2025 16:52 (three months ago)

I feel like Cuomo will just keep driving it

Clever Message Board User Name (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 7 November 2025 16:52 (three months ago)

xp haha excellent

challopvious (sleeve), Friday, 7 November 2025 16:53 (three months ago)

She fucking rules, the first time we ever hung out (more than 20 years ago), all our friends were at work, so we got day drunk and took bongrips while listening to Hall & Oates’ discography. We have been besties ever since lol.

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Friday, 7 November 2025 16:55 (three months ago)

Private eyes watching you

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Friday, 7 November 2025 17:01 (three months ago)

no can do

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 7 November 2025 17:01 (three months ago)

I would go for that yes can do

meat-based daughter-based unwellness (stevie), Friday, 7 November 2025 17:01 (three months ago)

xp

meat-based daughter-based unwellness (stevie), Friday, 7 November 2025 17:01 (three months ago)

need a drink and a quick decision

Edward Albee Sure (Neanderthal), Friday, 7 November 2025 17:08 (three months ago)

https://defector.com/lets-check-in-with-people-who-threatened-to-leave-zohran-mamdanis-nyc

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 7 November 2025 17:09 (three months ago)

out on clutch, out of time

nxd, Friday, 7 November 2025 17:10 (three months ago)

xpost Dave Portnoy's response par for the course with that dipshit

Edward Albee Sure (Neanderthal), Friday, 7 November 2025 17:12 (three months ago)

Some things are better left unsaid

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Friday, 7 November 2025 17:16 (three months ago)

Thanks to an eagle-eyed New Yorker, who saw the car illegally parked outside of the ex-gov's Sutton Place apartment on Wednesday, and reported it to 311.

ok, we fould a flaw. Zohran's got some snitch supporters.

― A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Friday, November 7, 2025 8:40 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

weaponizing the state against illegal parkers is a civic duty imo

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Friday, 7 November 2025 17:51 (three months ago)

anyone who drives a car in new york city deserves whatever befalls them

lag∞n, Friday, 7 November 2025 17:53 (three months ago)

And parks in a bike lane!

This dark glowing bohemian coffeehouse (Boring, Maryland), Friday, 7 November 2025 17:59 (three months ago)

Narcing on parking

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Friday, 7 November 2025 18:23 (three months ago)

I narc-d on six (6) cars parking on the sidewalk just now

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 7 November 2025 19:01 (three months ago)

a city is really the worst place to use a car other than the mariana trench

Minty Gum (Latham Green), Friday, 7 November 2025 21:27 (three months ago)

"Honestly I’ve given that a lot of thought—and he’s definitely going to win—going to like Hoboken or Jersey City or something…" Portnoy said

wait until he finds out who the Mayor of Hoboken is

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 7 November 2025 21:49 (three months ago)

lol Daily Show supercut of rich people threatening to leave New York:

https://bsky.app/profile/thedailyshow.com/post/3m52zx37kac2i

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 7 November 2025 22:11 (three months ago)

that's pretty rad

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 7 November 2025 22:18 (three months ago)

(we of course have the same perpetually threatened mass exodus from california... and I'm like 'be my guest!' We have forty fucking million people, please please move to texas, they'll love you there)

Andy the Grasshopper, Friday, 7 November 2025 22:21 (three months ago)

Goddammit some of your asshole MAGA Californians DID move here, and I know it because they come to meetings so they can say “I moved here from COMMIE-for is and let me tell you…”

They’re even worse than our homegrown variety. Please come take them back.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 8 November 2025 01:14 (three months ago)

Sorry COMMIE-fornia

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 8 November 2025 01:15 (three months ago)

the people who moved to russia are incredible, of course

mookieproof, Saturday, 8 November 2025 01:25 (three months ago)

just dumber than dirt

lag∞n, Saturday, 8 November 2025 01:31 (three months ago)

sorry tipsy, they're yours now

Andy the Grasshopper, Saturday, 8 November 2025 01:32 (three months ago)

how many people have actually emigrated TO Russia? A handful?

Andy the Grasshopper, Saturday, 8 November 2025 01:33 (three months ago)

yeah

lag∞n, Saturday, 8 November 2025 01:33 (three months ago)

I heard about one dumb American that 'defected' (no, not lee harvey oswald) and they promptly sent him to the front in the Donbas and now he's dead

Andy the Grasshopper, Saturday, 8 November 2025 01:35 (three months ago)

there was a story the other day about a family that moved there to avoid the woke and were immediately fleeced of their life savings

lag∞n, Saturday, 8 November 2025 01:37 (three months ago)

Please come take them back.

No

octobeard, Saturday, 8 November 2025 01:37 (three months ago)

not really belonging on this thread, but more details:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/8/18/2337788/-Meet-the-MAGA-Americans-who-moved-to-Russia-to-hilarious-results

Andy the Grasshopper, Saturday, 8 November 2025 01:54 (three months ago)

Oh wow—DailyKos still exists

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Saturday, 8 November 2025 02:15 (three months ago)

apparently the guy sent to the front went silent for 6 monthez but has reappeared lately is LOVING IT all, more or less.

beige accent rug (Hunt3r), Saturday, 8 November 2025 02:23 (three months ago)

I skimmed that. So supposedly there's a family from Canada that moved to Russia and didn't know that ... Russia was cold? How is that possible?

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 8 November 2025 02:32 (three months ago)

https://i.imgur.com/3564b84.jpeg

also we are gonna be absolutely inundated with stories about crime in NYC; the only question is whether they wait until Z's sworn in or just say that the criminals were 'emboldened' by his win

mookieproof, Saturday, 8 November 2025 03:15 (three months ago)

That Pritzker thing — they're fishing for immigrants who went to New York to vote for Mamdani?

ICE is completely deranged and needs to be completely dismantled.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 8 November 2025 03:26 (three months ago)

Socialists discussing the NY election, how DSA (NYC and National) relate to it, and where do go from here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1UYlN5EScM

Glower, Disruption & Pies (kingfish), Saturday, 8 November 2025 03:58 (three months ago)

Jeff Monson, anarchist MMA tomato can Jeff Monson moved to Russia years ago, no idea if he got drafted for the Ukraine war.

Lady Sovereign (Citizen) (milo z), Saturday, 8 November 2025 04:08 (three months ago)

Mamdani is a banned subject on Reddit's /r/democrats community.

https://imgur.com/gallery/johulat

StanM, Sunday, 9 November 2025 16:05 (three months ago)

brain on centrism

lag∞n, Sunday, 9 November 2025 16:07 (three months ago)

Wild stuff, also according to the rules you cannot criticise any dem or a dan s type will send you to the cornfield

🤷‍♂️ Cunt Tory Cheese (wins), Sunday, 9 November 2025 16:24 (three months ago)

true dead enders

lag∞n, Sunday, 9 November 2025 16:36 (three months ago)

how many people have actually emigrated TO Russia? A handful?

Tara Reade, the woman who accused Biden of sexual assault.

I? not I! He! He! HIM! (akm), Sunday, 9 November 2025 16:40 (three months ago)

Not quite the same, but Edward Snowden fled for obvious reasons and was finally granted citizenship in Russia in 2022.

birdistheword, Sunday, 9 November 2025 18:59 (three months ago)

Lee Harvey Oswald

A floating crown, but an extremely small one (President Keyes), Sunday, 9 November 2025 19:25 (three months ago)

putting "do not promote purity politics" at the end of that reddit list is pretty funny I have to admit

rob, Sunday, 9 November 2025 19:40 (three months ago)

(it gives the game away on what that phrase actually means, but still p lol)

rob, Sunday, 9 November 2025 19:40 (three months ago)

I think Morbz used to feel like he was on a dems reddit thread at times on ilx

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Sunday, 9 November 2025 21:02 (three months ago)

Morbz was a good corrective a lot of the time. And a peevish crank other times lol, but always a valued voice imo. Miss that guy.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 9 November 2025 21:50 (three months ago)

I think "what would Morbs say?" on film and baseball threads, but almost never on politics threads.

Noob Layman (WmC), Sunday, 9 November 2025 22:09 (three months ago)

if weve learned anything from the last x number of years its that the peevish cranks were right, were living in the time of the crank, were all cranks now

lag∞n, Sunday, 9 November 2025 22:15 (three months ago)

Too handsome

plax (ico), Sunday, 9 November 2025 22:58 (three months ago)

I think Morbz used to feel like he was on a dems reddit thread at times on ilx

― vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Sunday, November 9, 2025 4:02 PM (two hours ago)

if weve learned anything from the last x number of years its that the peevish cranks were right, were living in the time of the crank, were all cranks now

― lag∞n, Sunday, November 9, 2025 5:15 PM (one hour ago)

USpol ilx has moved quite a bit left without anyone acknowledging it much imo — you used to read a lot of centrist and, less often but not nonexistent, conservative stuff here (there's a former poster whose defences of capitalism I sometimes think about and wonder what he thinks now). A mixture of some people leaving and some of the people who remained changing their views, but it's pretty striking if you've followed the board for a long time. I don't know what Dr. Morbius would think now of course, but lagoon is correct that a lot of the issues he was so peevish about have a lot of buy-in here, much of which is down to many ilxors losing their faith in the Democrats as a party

rob, Sunday, 9 November 2025 23:57 (three months ago)

i think ilx and dems as a whole have been drifting left for a while but since trump came back its been supercharged

lag∞n, Monday, 10 November 2025 00:02 (three months ago)

and yeah otm a lot of it has to do with losing faith in the party which is interesting as far as how all that works together

lag∞n, Monday, 10 November 2025 00:03 (three months ago)

I don't remember Obama, much less Biden, gettin' much quarter here.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 November 2025 00:11 (three months ago)

obama got some quarter for sure

lag∞n, Monday, 10 November 2025 00:13 (three months ago)

I never got the sense that Morbs was “left” less than being reflexively contrarian.

This dark glowing bohemian coffeehouse (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 10 November 2025 00:14 (three months ago)

he wasnt left like reading marx he was left as in thinking the dems are sellouts and frauds, the crank left if you will

lag∞n, Monday, 10 November 2025 00:22 (three months ago)

Morbs undercut his message by about 300% with his sub-Trump nicknames for Dem politicians

fall of the house of urrsher (sic), Monday, 10 November 2025 00:30 (three months ago)

I think the general ILX shift left-of-Dems was v gradual over Biden’s term — witness how many posters would get big mad about ppl talking about ways Biden sucked in the “ways Joe Biden sucks” thread during 2020, instead of Tinkerbelling him into actually being really good in those ways — but that the speed-up started with his reëlection campaign.

In the last month I’ve seen multiple ppl expressing antipathy for Pete Buttigieg’s political conduct without anyone else calling for them to be permabanned for homophobia. Vibes have shifted!

fall of the house of urrsher (sic), Monday, 10 November 2025 00:38 (three months ago)

This was the only place I visited in 2019-2020 that thankfully had no patience for Buttigieg.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 10 November 2025 00:43 (three months ago)

Morbz would have had some very funny dismissals for the people on the internet who like joking that Steven Spielberg’s career is a long term psyop. He would have been right, and they’re right, too

hehe

mh, Monday, 10 November 2025 01:11 (three months ago)

I always felt close to Morbs, though coming at things from a slightly different angle, so there was still some friction. I miss him tho.

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Monday, 10 November 2025 02:52 (three months ago)

a lot of morbs' stances involved being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian. nevertheless he was mostly right!

Morbs undercut his message by about 300% with his sub-Trump nicknames for Dem politicians

rip forks etc. carrying on about 'drumpf'

mookieproof, Monday, 10 November 2025 04:37 (three months ago)

Morbs undercut his message by about 300% with his sub-Trump nicknames for Dem politicians

― fall of the house of urrsher (sic), Sunday, November 9, 2025 7:30 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

for Best Show on WFMU fans, Morbs was the Spike

My homies buttthole surfers' record sounds like a f (Western® with Bacon Flavor), Monday, 10 November 2025 04:53 (three months ago)

It probably doesn’t matter, but curious: have they finally finished counting the votes in this election?

On CNN, it looks like the results are for 93% of the votes (which is where it’s been stuck since election night)

Clever Message Board User Name (Raymond Cummings), Friday, 14 November 2025 19:59 (three months ago)

Must be military and provisional ballots?

visiual system cohernent image. . fttf . equivament. for so (President Keyes), Friday, 14 November 2025 20:03 (three months ago)

stop the count

Edward Albee Sure (Neanderthal), Saturday, 15 November 2025 15:55 (two months ago)

Regular pattern happening: progressive runs on progressive ideas, wins big, then is disciplined by party establishment in the guise of “not making the party too progressive.” Afaic Mamdani is just another puppet now.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/10/nyregion/chi-osse-hakeem-jeffries.html?unlocked_article_code=1.2k8.oe8a.P68ySe6oE81r&smid=url-share

He has now publicly expressed that he doesn’t want Ossé to primary Jeffries, as has AOC.

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Thursday, 20 November 2025 16:31 (two months ago)

They might want Lander?

einstürzende louboutin (suzy), Thursday, 20 November 2025 16:39 (two months ago)

Mr. Mamdani has privately tried to discourage his ideological ally from running. The mayor-elect and his team fear that another high-profile challenge from the left might compromise his own bid to push the Democratic establishment to support his affordability agenda.

Mr. Mamdani also may want to avoid the optics of having Mr. Ossé challenge the House Democratic leader, who endorsed Mr. Mamdani in October after months of negotiation.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 November 2025 16:43 (two months ago)

i suppose you think hes going to bend the knee to trump today too

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 20 November 2025 16:43 (two months ago)

I think for my sanity I'm gonna locate my Mamdani criticisms within the context of his moves which fall short of my ideals vs what Cuomo would have done in his place

fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Thursday, 20 November 2025 16:44 (two months ago)

he's also literally not mayor yet

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 20 November 2025 16:45 (two months ago)

xposts Mamdani is now a politician who must balance various interests and priorities and negotiate relationships with other politicians and power brokers. He's presumably decided that it's in his best interest not to immediately make enemies with one of the most powerful people in the Democratic Party, who also happens to be one of his constituents. Which makes sense as realpolitik, so I wouldn't necessarily assume that he has been "disciplined by party establishment."

jaymc, Thursday, 20 November 2025 16:53 (two months ago)

For the party to administer discipline in two weeks would be record time!

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 November 2025 16:56 (two months ago)

lol whatever yall, continue huffing the hopium

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Thursday, 20 November 2025 16:59 (two months ago)

What are you even doing here hoss

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Thursday, 20 November 2025 17:00 (two months ago)

table, maybe allow that your personal overton window is no longer in our solar system

fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Thursday, 20 November 2025 17:00 (two months ago)

I mean, he was elected on the promise that his cadres would immediately execute all the capitalist imperialist running dogs, so yes, this is definitely a disappointment.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Thursday, 20 November 2025 17:00 (two months ago)

lol whatever yall, continue huffing the hopium

― a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table),

You're impossible to figure out sometimes. It's like you post to have posters confirm your biases. One NYT article about intramural conflict b/w the mayor-elect and a colleague = Jeffries pulling this new puppet's strings.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 November 2025 17:02 (two months ago)

table, maybe allow that your personal overton window is no longer in our solar system

how about expecting integrity out of leaders shouldn’t be seen as some sort of hopeless naivete.

if your ideological ally is attempting to run against someone who is very much not your ideological ally, then you should support your ideological ally. this is simple. it might not be the best politics, but perhaps i expect more than DNC dick-sucking from someone hailed as the big progressive hope of the moment.

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Thursday, 20 November 2025 17:04 (two months ago)

jefferis gotta go mamdani wrong on this one and also no fun, he shouldve just parroted jefferies noncommittal routine when everyone was asking him to endorse him, we need a dem politician actually many of them whos going to go whole hog fuck the establishment

lag∞n, Thursday, 20 November 2025 17:04 (two months ago)

come on now, whatever it is it is NOT simple

fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Thursday, 20 November 2025 17:04 (two months ago)

Alfred, i post because this shit enrages me

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Thursday, 20 November 2025 17:05 (two months ago)

Zohran Kwame Mamdani

On this Trans Day of Remembrance, we remember the bright and courageous trans people whose lives were stolen by hatred. Their absence is felt across our city.

We will honor them by building a New York where every trans person can live safely, fully and freely.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 November 2025 17:08 (two months ago)

Great, then he should also support his colleague who is running to make things more affordable for trans people and all people, aka Chi Osse

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Thursday, 20 November 2025 17:10 (two months ago)

this is simple. it might not be the best politics, but

so it's not simple then

jaymc, Thursday, 20 November 2025 17:14 (two months ago)

Wow didn't expect the Mamadani milkshake ducking so soon

This Thrilling Saga is the Top Show on Netflix Right Now (President Keyes), Thursday, 20 November 2025 17:18 (two months ago)

i have been saying for years that he can't be trusted, can't believe all you sheep were so easily fooled

budo jeru, Thursday, 20 November 2025 17:20 (two months ago)

what's wrong with dick-sucking

hey man, smell my finger, then another finger, then cigarette (WmC), Thursday, 20 November 2025 17:28 (two months ago)

nothing, i am well known for it myself. dicksucking the DNC? yeah, not cool

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Thursday, 20 November 2025 17:47 (two months ago)

Is it insane that he might just want Osse to stay on city council?? Idk who else is in line for his district but it could EASILY go back to a centrist Dem machine candidate who wouldn't pursue any progressive policies. That district is literally across the street from me (sadly I'm cut off by one block) and it's far from guaranteed that there's someone else ready to succeed Chi.

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 20 November 2025 17:51 (two months ago)

Actually in reaction to Mamdani some people might even be more likely to vote for a moderate machine-approved candidate because they feel like the city has "gone far enough already."

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 20 November 2025 17:52 (two months ago)

Actually in reaction to Mamdani some people might even be more likely to vote for a moderate machine-approved candidate because they feel like the city has "gone far enough already."

I know several people like this, including a guy who alternates voting between Democrats and Republicans for various offices and never picks all the candidates from a single party in any given election because of “checks and balances”

I find the thought process fascinating

our beloved RIFF LORD (DJP), Thursday, 20 November 2025 17:54 (two months ago)

mamdani prob wants to turn the temp down and get to work, but still hes wrong jeffries has to go, maybe he thinks osse cant win idk

lag∞n, Thursday, 20 November 2025 17:56 (two months ago)

maybe he thinks osse cant win idk

for people genuinely interested in what's going on here i'd recommend reading this piece by michael lange who was one of the best voter data people covering the mayoral race about why it would likely be extremely difficult for chi to beat jefferies and the reasons why you can't just map zohran's victory onto other politicians/races in the state

https://www.michaellange.nyc/p/can-chi-osse-beat-hakeem-jeffries

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 20 November 2025 18:00 (two months ago)

This is interesting:

Comparing Mamdani–Cuomo to Ossé–Jeffries is a natural impulse, but one that should be exercised with nuance. Jeffries, for all of the concern over his lackluster response to President Trump’s authoritarian administration (narratives that are, in my estimation, largely confined to white-collar media), remains scandal-free (unlike Cuomo) and broadly popular with his working-class Black constituents. While not a wartime consigliere, Jeffries remains difficult to negatively define (as opposed to the perpetually stumbling Chuck Schumer), even for Republicans.

I was gonna ask how his constituents regard Jeffries.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 November 2025 18:03 (two months ago)

thing about these situations is you never really know unless you try

lag∞n, Thursday, 20 November 2025 18:07 (two months ago)

Oh boy Dan that person sounds like an advanced case of brain rot. At this moment especially before Mamdani takes office he hasn't had the chance yet to show that he can accomplish his policies and that they're good for New Yorkers...it'll be harder to whip people into a frenzy once it starts working but it's not that hard right now. Chi is a gifted speaker & leader & probably has his district on lock (although he could pay a little more attention to constituent services, several people I know have complaints) but there's plenty of pro-charter school, pro-Zionist, pro-AirBnB, anti-renter and pro-landlord, etc etc Dems ready to run just truly terrible campaigns.

xxx thanks, Jordan. One thing I have heard about Jeffries over and over is that he's a gifted politician and game player who always knows where the power is. Chi is young and--I think it's at least a little bit fair to say brash?--and I'm excited to see what he does but I don't think he's quite there yet.

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 20 November 2025 18:07 (two months ago)

would guess that jefferies would be pretty tough to beat, but dem leadership is so wildly unpopular right now that there is prob an opening too

lag∞n, Thursday, 20 November 2025 18:13 (two months ago)

There was some year or couple of years when I was still a dues-paying member of political advocacy groups that get asked for their endorsement in Democratic races and I sat on SO MANY zoom interviews with people that were...to say that a bunch of them weren't ready for prime time would be...a generous understatement. But if that seat opens, it will be a flood of whoever can get their foot in the door.

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 20 November 2025 18:16 (two months ago)

As much as national left dems would like to dump Jefferies, I would guess that people in his district might think that having one of the Minority Leader/Possible Future SotH position staffed by someone who represents them is a positive for them.

This Thrilling Saga is the Top Show on Netflix Right Now (President Keyes), Thursday, 20 November 2025 18:41 (two months ago)

strike "one of"

This Thrilling Saga is the Top Show on Netflix Right Now (President Keyes), Thursday, 20 November 2025 18:41 (two months ago)

as someone who lives in chi's district and has voted for him several times (and sees him around at gay events and such from time to time), i feel like i have some actual skin in the game here as opposed to the other people posting itt... and so as much as it's fuck hakeem jefferies from sunrise to sundown (i did not vote for him in 2024 along with not voting for kamala harris) my thinking over the last several several months has been "wow i wonder what chi and zohran can accomplish together to make this neighborhood better" and not "i wonder if chi can unseat hakeem jefferies and defeat AIPAC." you know what i'm saying? there is actually more to consider here for the people he represents than simply viewing this thru the lens of the national dem establishment and just being like "hey might as well take your shot you never know what could happen!" chi has been successful at getting legislation passed that addresses the lives of his constituents (FARE act most notably) and if he is risking the ability to further do that by launching a long shot campaign for the house of representatives then i don't think it's wrong for some of his allies to be pumping the brakes a bit. maybe he dreams big and slays the dragon -- and if he does run i will campaign for him -- but there are risks to this that transcend the parameters of the discussion currently being had itt

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 20 November 2025 18:43 (two months ago)

100x yes thank you.

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Thursday, 20 November 2025 18:47 (two months ago)

someone has to run against jeffries right now is the exactly the time primary all of them, hopefully someone good steps in to fill his shoes but knocking the national dem establishment down is so crucial really for the whole world

lag∞n, Thursday, 20 November 2025 18:53 (two months ago)

someone has to run against jeffries right now is the exactly the time primary all of them, hopefully someone good steps in to fill his shoes but knocking the national dem establishment down is so crucial really for the whole world

I think it's more important to have good people in local offices doing good things for their constituents. National politicians can't actually accomplish that much, especially when their party is the minority in a binary system. New York needs good leadership, and demanding that those people pursue national office mostly on the advice of social media dwellers who don't even live in the district or understand what would be lost seems extremely short-sighted.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Thursday, 20 November 2025 18:57 (two months ago)

totally thats why im always saying that an alderman is more powerful than the president, in contrast to what all those social media dwelling will have you believe

lag∞n, Thursday, 20 November 2025 19:01 (two months ago)

someone has to run against jeffries right now is the exactly the time primary all of them, hopefully someone good steps in to fill his shoes but knocking the national dem establishment down is so crucial really for the whole world

yeah, maybe. but as someone repped by chi i think it would be fair for me to ask him how him running for that seat and even potentially winning it would materially effect my life, as opposed to a different path where he continues to work in and up through local politics. apologies to the rest of you who live in other places but chi has to answer a different set of questions for the people he reps

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 20 November 2025 19:05 (two months ago)

sure thats fair and if you feel like it you should ask him and report back id be curious what he has to say

lag∞n, Thursday, 20 November 2025 19:07 (two months ago)

same!

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 20 November 2025 19:08 (two months ago)

i also think part of the calculation here is that AOC, zohran etc feel like they can strip jefferies of his power by changing the guard at the top of the dem establishment -- i.e. AOC ascending to power -- which could go a long way to accomplishing the goals that people have regarding the state of the party w/o engaging in an election that could harm zohran's ability to govern and put chi's political career at risk. maybe they're wrong in believing that possibility but i think the political maneuvering happening here is "let us shank this guy in private" and not "we are protecting hakeem to get closer to the dem establishment"

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 20 November 2025 19:16 (two months ago)

could be hard for a pleb to know, i do think that every establishment/centrist type should be primaried anyway tho

lag∞n, Thursday, 20 November 2025 19:20 (two months ago)

This is interesting:

Comparing Mamdani–Cuomo to Ossé–Jeffries is a natural impulse, but one that should be exercised with nuance. Jeffries, for all of the concern over his lackluster response to President Trump’s authoritarian administration (narratives that are, in my estimation, largely confined to white-collar media), remains scandal-free (unlike Cuomo) and broadly popular with his working-class Black constituents. While not a wartime consigliere, Jeffries remains difficult to negatively define (as opposed to the perpetually stumbling Chuck Schumer), even for Republicans.

I was gonna ask how his constituents regard Jeffries.

― The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, November 20, 2025 10:03 AM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

thing about these situations is you never really know unless you try

― lag∞n, Thursday, November 20, 2025 10:07 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

cuomo was overwhelmingly popular with working class black voters too. don't really think that’s a dispositive argument in favor of not trying to have nice things

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Thursday, 20 November 2025 21:09 (two months ago)

I'm willing to leave this up to the voters in Jeffries' district.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Thursday, 20 November 2025 21:17 (two months ago)

good posts from jordan though. there are plenty of reasons something like this could backfire of course, and you could see things somewhat differently depending on the lens (non-locals wanting jeffries gone, locals prioritizing their local governance more etc). zoltan to his credit I believe hasn’t actually publicly discouraged him afaik, it’s just been leaks

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Thursday, 20 November 2025 21:17 (two months ago)

That's how I see it. The NYT's editorial page and the slant of its news articles made clear they regarded Mamdani as a threat, so articles like this based on leaks don't have much substance.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 20 November 2025 21:22 (two months ago)

cuomo was overwhelmingly popular with working class black voters too. don't really think that’s a dispositive argument in favor of not trying to have nice things

― comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Thursday, November 20, 2025 4:09 PM (eight minutes ago)

well the point is that jeffries district is majority black. zohran won largely because he was able to turn out huge amounts of voters in ethnic communities all across the city -- that dynamic is irrelevant to chi vs jeffries

from what i can see on the census, the make up of jeffries district is 43% black. as a part of the whole city black people are only around 20% of the population (differing information on this)

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 20 November 2025 21:31 (two months ago)

zohran to his credit I believe hasn’t actually publicly discouraged him afaik, it’s just been leaks

― comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Thursday, November 20, 2025 4:17 PM (thirteen minutes ago)

he spoke at a DSA meeting last night against endorsing chi

“The choice is not whether to vote for Chi or Hakeem at the ballot box, the choice is how to spend the next year. Do we want to spend it defending caricatures of our movement, or do we want to spend it fulfilling the agenda at the heart of that very same movement?” Mamdani said, per the sources, who spoke with the Daily News on condition of anonymity.

“I believe that endorsing [Osse] makes it more difficult to do the latter, more difficult to deliver on the life-changing policies that more than 1 million New Yorkers voted for just two weeks ago,” Mamdani continued, the sources said. “I know how I want to spend the next year, and I urge you all to join me in voting no on this endorsement, not because our dreams are too small, but because they are as big as the entire city.”

https://www.nydailynews.com/2025/11/19/mamdani-pleads-directly-with-nyc-dsa-to-not-back-chi-osses-run-against-hakeem-jeffries/

i think what has only been leaks is the specific reason(s) why zohran doesn't want to endorse him

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 20 November 2025 21:36 (two months ago)

once you get closer to, and then actually in office, your job is as much horse trading and negotiating how much you can get while not letting too much of the stuff you don't want out there

it's funny, because working for a large organization that is not political in nature, there are internal politics that are much the same. I have some coworkers I love working with who get some crazy projects done, but they both: 1. Have strong opinions about the right way, or right ways to do things and bristle at groups going down paths they feel are bad and 2. are not interested in becoming leaders/managers making those decisions themselves

you just have to make the decent calls most of the time and give people leeway, because when it's your turn to pitch something, you'll get the same treatment

obviously you have to determine which type of person you're negotiating with, and have some hard lines of your own. I think at the national level this is broken because of the number of politicians who have nothing but hard lines, and others thinking they can negotiate with those people. They're not horse traders, they're horse thieves.

mh, Thursday, 20 November 2025 22:00 (two months ago)

I do think left-wing insurgent politicians operating within centre-right parties are all doomed. If not to get done in by the machine. They end being corrupted in other ways, they take on elements of the party's anti-democratic institutional corruption, whether they are aware of it or not is a mystery, maybe.

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Thursday, 20 November 2025 22:03 (two months ago)

Maybe Mamdani won't endorse because he knows Chi would become just another puppet after getting elected

symsymsym, Friday, 21 November 2025 00:01 (two months ago)

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSykNnySy1YQm0mF75LFuIcwjxbMnjzID-vMQ&s

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Friday, 21 November 2025 02:19 (two months ago)

table, maybe allow that your personal overton window is no longer in our solar system

scrolled past this on the way up in zing and thought “I wonder if tabes is merely 1 point beyond otm as usual when decried” and lol no (but ♥️)

good stuff from j0rd, io and jho

fall of the house of urrsher (sic), Friday, 21 November 2025 07:45 (two months ago)

i was all geared up for a classic jh0 Jordan beef, what the shit is this

Tracer Hand, Friday, 21 November 2025 08:00 (two months ago)

do they ever really beef? unless it's some NBA shit

mookieproof, Friday, 21 November 2025 08:04 (two months ago)

zohran should hire spoelstra to Establish a Culture in NYC

mookieproof, Friday, 21 November 2025 08:08 (two months ago)

wow shots fired in the EC, this is neutral territory mookie

Tracer Hand, Friday, 21 November 2025 08:17 (two months ago)

i would never beef with jordan

lag∞n, Friday, 21 November 2025 13:11 (two months ago)

On one hand Mamdani doesn't owe the Democratic establishment or Jeffries anything — they actively tried to sabotage him, and Jeffries' last-minute endorsement was more a CYA move for Jeffries than a boost for Mamdani. If it made even a point's worth of difference in the results I'd be surprised. Not owing people anything is a good spot to be in, politically. But it doesn't mean that Mamdani can therefore just say or do anything he wants and be successful. He's about to become mayor of New York! That's a gigantic and complicated job. There are lots of good reasons already articulated here from a political strategy standpoint to not add the extra complication of getting involved in a primary challenge to Jeffries.

Not least of which is that Mamdani is actually in a good position to lean on Jeffries now — and it's a potentially useful thing to have the minority leader/possible future Speaker of the House both in your city and in your political debt. However satisfying an Ossé win would surely be (probably to Mamdani himself as much as anyone), trading Jeffries' clout for a backbencher isn't something you'd do casually. I know that this kind of political talk drives some people crazy, but if you're not willing to countenance it then you're more of an activist than a politician. Mamdani is more of a politician than an activist.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Friday, 21 November 2025 14:45 (two months ago)

activists are infinitely better and more effective than politicians literally every good political thing we have is the work of activists and a lot of the bad things are visionless politicians horse trading amongst their corporate controlled selves, for example in this particular scenario you could have the speaker of the house in your political debt (worthless) or you could have a cleaning primary wave washing out the corrupt establishment and putting the fear of god in those that remain

lag∞n, Friday, 21 November 2025 14:55 (two months ago)

I dunno, there are a lot of bad and ineffective activists too! Just being an activist doesn't mean you'll get anything done.

I just think of them as different roles, and if you want to get things done you typically need both. There are people (Mamdani being one of them) who can successfully transition from one to the other, it's not so much that you're one kind of person or another as that you need somewhat different skills to succeed at both. That doesn't mean of course that you should just excuse or wave away any action or lack of action by a politician as "well, they're just doing politics." But I think it does require understanding things within a context of political strategy rather than just on some absolute moral index of what you wish someone would say at any given moment about any given thing.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Friday, 21 November 2025 15:01 (two months ago)

Also the question isn't whether or not Mamdani would personally prefer Jeffries to lose. I have no idea whether he would or not, and I don't think you can assume he doesn't just because that's not a fight he thinks is worth diverting energy and resources to right now. If Ossé wins it's not like Mamdani won't support him post-primary.

On the other hand, this being the "what are Mamdani's flaws" thread, people should definitely be ready to be disappointed by any number of things he's going to say or do or not say or not do. That is also politics.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Friday, 21 November 2025 15:04 (two months ago)

the right political move is to amass power so as to implement your agenda, buddying up to your more powerful political adversaries doesnt accomplish that, look at aoc out there being a good soldier literally the #1 fundraiser for dems, all she asks is a committee chair dems give it to a literal dying man instead, what a farce

lag∞n, Friday, 21 November 2025 15:06 (two months ago)

Mamdani's trying to form a government to take over administration of a city of 8 million people and deliver on the things he promised them. He already won his campaign, and it took a tremendous amount of work and effort to do it. To expect him to immediately turn around and pump energy and attention into an intraparty fight — to effectively remain in combative campaign mode, but not even on his own behalf — while he's already got a gigantic job to do is I think not just unrealistic but counterproductive. His mandate is not "take out Hakeem Jeffries," his mandate is to make life in New York City better for people who live there.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Friday, 21 November 2025 15:11 (two months ago)

And assuming Jeffries gets reelected, he'll be up for reelection again in two years! If Mamdani's dissatisfied with his representation at that point, and he's managed to sustain some level of popularity, he'll be in a far better position to try to engineer a challenge then than he is now.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Friday, 21 November 2025 15:12 (two months ago)

Politics may be one battle after another, but it's generally best for it to not be every battle at once.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Friday, 21 November 2025 15:14 (two months ago)

all that is fine i dont think its the wisest outlook but the fact of the matter is he is actively discouraging a jeffries primary which does very much constitute getting into the intraparty fight

lag∞n, Friday, 21 November 2025 15:14 (two months ago)

Jord has been very otm. Chi could do so much that has a real-life every-day impact on his district. That seat has been captured by charter school and developer interests for so long.

I'm getting emails right now in the district next door asking community associations to sign onto a proposed bill that would allow owner-occupied buildings to put their extra apartment units on Air BnB instead of on the rental housing market, and it's EXTREMELY obviously written to trigger people's very reasonable fears of deed theft, tax liens, and all the ways that Black homeowners have been conned and stolen from BUT IT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE ACTUAL THEFTS AT ALL. It just preys on their valid fears and concerns to open the door to AirBnB which is horrible for communities. This is the kind of messaging that Chi's team is good at and can tell the truth about, and we need that so badly.

xxxxp this is very Brooklyn centric but I started writing like 10 posts ago so

Also agree w tipsy that this is a bad use of political capital for Mamdani right now irrespective of all the compromises of governing that I'm sure we'll see and argue about later.

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Friday, 21 November 2025 15:17 (two months ago)

political capital isnt a real thing

lag∞n, Friday, 21 November 2025 15:34 (two months ago)

It absolutely 100 percent for sure very much is! You might not like the idea, but not liking it doesn't make it not real. No politician can do everything they want, a lot of them are lucky to do even some of the things they want, and understanding how to use a whole bunch of different kinds of political levers is crucial to accomplishing anything. The way you use levers is through leverage. The way you get leverage is political power or capital, and nobody ever is gifted with an unlimited supply of that.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Friday, 21 November 2025 15:38 (two months ago)

you think you have x number of politics bucks and you get to spend them, its an absurd idea how do you get them whats the issuer who is keeping track of how many youve spent

lag∞n, Friday, 21 November 2025 15:40 (two months ago)

one way you dont get them apparently is by being the #1 fundraiser for your party

lag∞n, Friday, 21 November 2025 15:40 (two months ago)

its an absurd idea how do you get them whats the issuer who is keeping track of how many youve spent

it's a metaphor ;)

a (waterface), Friday, 21 November 2025 15:42 (two months ago)

And it's not just a matter of political capital, it's also time and energy, which are valuable and limited resources for any political leader. For Mamdani at the moment, backing a Jeffries challenge would be a huge distraction. He didn't spend the last two years talking all day every day about taking down Hakeem Jeffries, it's not something he even said once, and it's definitely not what he was elected to do. I think what he's trying to do is focus on the things that his campaign was about, which are big enough challenges on their own.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Friday, 21 November 2025 15:43 (two months ago)

its a bad metaphor specifically designed to obscure the true nature of power and for pundits to chin scratch over xp

lag∞n, Friday, 21 November 2025 15:44 (two months ago)

ok fine we can use LBJ's idea of maximizing momentum

a (waterface), Friday, 21 November 2025 15:48 (two months ago)

firstly as already addressed mamdani isnt just standing on the sidelines here hes actively discouraging a challenge staying out of it would be more defensible, but it still wouldnt be buidling whats really needed which is a movement of people like him, capitulating to the powers that be is just self defeating behavior because they dont want the things you do

lag∞n, Friday, 21 November 2025 15:50 (two months ago)

No, it's a good metaphor that recognizes the fundamentally transactional nature of politics and the reality that everyone within a political system has different levels of power that can be used in different ways at different times, but cannot be used in all ways at all times. Effective political leaders are among other things good at judging when and how applications of power can be most effective, and when they will be ineffective or distracting.

But anyway, Mamdani never promised to take down Hakeem Jeffries and acting offended that he's not doing something he never said he would do is kind of silly. Might as well be mad that he's not expropriating Trump Tower while we're at it. Reading any of this as a "capitulation" at this point is imo just ... not understanding politics.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Friday, 21 November 2025 15:50 (two months ago)

should also be said that immediately jumping in with jefferies after he played in your face for months just looks sad

lag∞n, Friday, 21 November 2025 15:51 (two months ago)

No, it's a good metaphor that recognizes the fundamentally transactional nature of politics and the reality that everyone within a political system has different levels of power that can be used in different ways at different times

― paper plans (tipsy mothra), Friday, November 21, 2025 10:50 AM (twenty seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

its wild to me that people are still talking like this given the times were living through, pure ideology

lag∞n, Friday, 21 November 2025 15:52 (two months ago)

but it still wouldnt be buidling whats really needed which is a movement of people like him,

isn't he literally saying he thinks Chi should stay in NYC to work on NYC local problems vs. be in Congress and get involved in that shit. he's building still he's just building what for you is the wrong building

a (waterface), Friday, 21 November 2025 15:53 (two months ago)

you really think thats the reason just a coincidence that one of the most powerful people in the country is being challenged

lag∞n, Friday, 21 November 2025 15:55 (two months ago)

not to even mention the fact that osse wants to do this

lag∞n, Friday, 21 November 2025 15:56 (two months ago)

tipsy instead of "the political capital" you gotta say "the juice"

c u (crüt), Friday, 21 November 2025 15:57 (two months ago)

its wild to me that people are still talking like this given the times were living through, pure ideology

The times we're living in are a very good illustration of political dynamics and the realities of political capital.

If you don't think there's any such as political capital (or juice lol), how do you think politics works? That whoever says the best words wins? Wizards waving wands? It works through accumulating power (winning elections is a good way to do this) and then by using it judiciously and effectively — or failing to, in which case you pay a price and your agenda suffers.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Friday, 21 November 2025 15:57 (two months ago)

yeah totally wizards people who dont believe in the received pundit wisdom of political capital and judicious levers must be thinking magical thoughts

lag∞n, Friday, 21 November 2025 16:05 (two months ago)

the juice it should be mentioned is a quite different concept to political capital, you dont spend the juice you have it

lag∞n, Friday, 21 November 2025 16:06 (two months ago)

it's even in the pledge of allegiance

with liberty and juices for all

Edward Albee Sure (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 November 2025 16:18 (two months ago)

Here's a real-world example (a little long, I apologize): I worked for 7 years for a liberal mayor in a moderately liberal city in a super conservative county and state. She was the first woman elected to the position, and the first Democrat in nearly 30 years. She had a background as a labor activist, and came in with huge expectations, especially from the typically underrepresented left-wing groups in the region. And within a month of taking office, she had to decide whether to sign on to a declaration by some members of the U.S. Conference of Mayors in support of gay marriage. This was in early 2012.

Gay marriage per se hadn't come up at all in the campaign, which was mostly focused on local issues. But she did often talk about — and to — the local LGBTQ community as part of her vision of who the city was (also her campaign manager was gay). So local gay activists certainly had reasons to expect support from her. At the same time, she couldn't really claim a mandate on the issue of gay marriage or say that that's what people had elected her to take a stand on.

So she talked to local gay leaders about it. Her concern was that signing on to the declaration had the potential to become a big political controversy right out of the gate and distract from her administration trying to get its feet on the ground and get a handle on governing the city, while not actually delivering anything beyond a symbolic gesture. And this wasn't timing she chose, it only came up right then because the Conference of Mayors has its annual meeting in January. (In the same way that Ossé's challenge isn't timing that Mamdani chose.)

What everybody agreed to instead was this: She made a statement that she personally supported marriage equality and would work to support it, but that she didn't think she could sign the declaration on behalf of the entire city, because she knew it was a divisive issue. She also promised to immediately start work on what she could do locally — which was to add anti-discrimination protections for sexual orientation and gender identity for city employees, and create same-sex partner benefits for city employees under the city healthcare plan, which did not at that point exist.

She did both of those things, getting them through City Council with unanimous approval. And when we saw that we not only got no real community pushback on either of those but actually got overwhelming support, that meant that she now had some accumulated political clout that she could use to push further. When the Obergefell case went to the Supreme Court, one of the affiliated cases was actually from our city, two women who had married in another state and then moved to Tennessee, where their marriage was void. The mayor invited them into her office, we did a big public photo op with them, and she was the only mayor in the whole state to sign onto a mayors' brief in support of marriage equality in the case.

Now, somebody very easily in her first month in office could have called her compromise in not signing the declaration a betrayal. But she wasn't betraying anything she'd actually promised to do, she made clear where her own personal commitments were, and she followed through on them with solid and practical rather than symbolic action. So ... at a minimum, I'd say give Mamdani a little time to do the actual things that he said he's going to do.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Friday, 21 November 2025 16:21 (two months ago)

Meanwhile, to give a counterexample, our current mayor here just lost an effort to pass a sales-tax increase, which was partly because of an unrelated cock-up she made in handling an issue with a local park — which made lots of people mad who would have otherwise tended to support her and the tax increase. She lost on the park issue, and in the process greatly diminished her standing with constituencies who she really needed in order to pass the tax increase. i.e. She lost political capital, at exactly a time when she most needed it. "Capital" is votes, it's volunteers, it's people willing to work with you rather than against you, it's the support of your other governmental partners (in this case City Council, which torpedoed the park deal).

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Friday, 21 November 2025 16:26 (two months ago)

thats all good obviously you have to do politics but i must nitpick a lil just because incrementalists live to accuse their detractors of being hopelessly unbound from the real hard work of fixing potholes and what not

this is symbolic action

The mayor invited them into her office, we did a big public photo op with them, and she was the only mayor in the whole state to sign onto a mayors' brief in support of marriage equality in the case.

...

she followed through on them with solid and practical rather than symbolic action.

lag∞n, Friday, 21 November 2025 16:29 (two months ago)

Oh for sure! It's not that there's anything wrong with symbolic action, sometimes it's valuable and necessary. But by the time she did that, it followed easily from other things she'd already done and had built significant local political support for. The solid and practical steps that preceded that put her in a position to make that broader symbolic gesture — and also the not-only-symbolic act of signing onto a brief in the case, which national gay-rights leaders really wanted to have some red-state names on to bolster their argument at SCOTUS.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Friday, 21 November 2025 16:32 (two months ago)

And also this isn't necessarily "incrementalism," it's also just a practical matter of how do you most effectively get from point A to point B. If there are 5 necessary steps, taking each of those steps is an increment, but often there are not magic ways to just skip over the steps.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Friday, 21 November 2025 16:34 (two months ago)

for sure. symbolic action leads to practical action which is how you get things done!

a (waterface), Friday, 21 November 2025 16:36 (two months ago)

capital is just the wrong metaphor here, and its wrong on purpose, so the people can say x politician cant afford to spend their capital here, but as you yourself said many actions will get you more capital, so what are we dealing with here is it a casino, an investment, is it something thats spent at all doesnt seem like it, from a wider pov it looks a lot like an attempt to impose a deterministic framework on an inherently chaotic situation, which no disrespect to the mayors office i think gets more true the further up the halls of power one goes

lag∞n, Friday, 21 November 2025 16:36 (two months ago)

I mean, you can call it whatever you want, but political power is very real and also always finite. Using it well and effectively will increase your ability to continue to do so, using it poorly and ineffectually will decrease your ability to do the things you want to do.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Friday, 21 November 2025 16:41 (two months ago)

One might view running against Jeffries as symbolic action that might get something done (get rid of Jeffries, who sucks).

xxps

il lavoro mi rovina la giornata (PBKR), Friday, 21 November 2025 16:43 (two months ago)

running against Jeffries would be a practical action in my humble opinion

a (waterface), Friday, 21 November 2025 16:46 (two months ago)

political power is very real and also always finite. Using it well and effectively will increase your ability to continue to do so,

if you get more for using it well then its not really finite

lag∞n, Friday, 21 November 2025 16:50 (two months ago)

LBJ quote for the win.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 November 2025 16:52 (two months ago)

"Power is where power goes".

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 November 2025 16:52 (two months ago)

i’m with lagoon, i think that these way tipsy is describing political power is outmoded and also has little to do with what actual constituents need, want, and deserve. if power is not there to serve people, then it exists for its own sake, and is simply a corrupting force. i concede that Mamdani could think that Osse might be better off serving as councilman in his particular district, but the optics point more toward him bowing to external pressures from the levers of power above him, and to that i say, ‘you are not reading the leaves properly’

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Friday, 21 November 2025 16:53 (two months ago)

running against Jeffries would be a practical action in my humble opinion

And/or an impractical one, if you challenge him and lose. If you come for the king etc. You have to keep in mind that part of Mamdani's calculation I'm sure is whether he thinks Ossé could win even with his support. You back him and lose, you've not only gained nothing, you've solidified Jeffries as an enemy and you start out your mayoral term looking weak, like you have no clout or coattails. It's a sizable risk with a big downside.

if you get more for using it well then its not really finite

Solar energy isn't infinite just because you can replenish it. Which is to say, LBJ otm.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Friday, 21 November 2025 16:53 (two months ago)

if youre comparing power to the sun then its def not capital, it is effectively infinite tho

lag∞n, Friday, 21 November 2025 16:54 (two months ago)

the reason mamdani supporting jefferies is such a bad move politically is hes going to have a very hard time implementing his agenda in large part due to people like jefferies, i get it and i sympathize with him but i cannot condone it

lag∞n, Friday, 21 November 2025 16:55 (two months ago)

Mamdani's not "bowing down," he's making political calculations. Again, if you don't like politicians making political calculations, then you just don't like politics — and that's fine, but imo it misunderstands the way anything actually happens. I see him being frustrated at being pulled to the side, into a fight he didn't pick, right when he's trying to do the thing that he's been 100 percent focused on for the last two years.

if youre comparing power to the sun then its def not capital, it is effectively infinite tho

Usable solar power for human purposes is not in any way infinite. It depends on having the means to collect and distribute it.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Friday, 21 November 2025 16:59 (two months ago)

Again, if you don't like politicians making political calculations, then you just don't like politics — and that's fine, but imo it misunderstands the way anything actually happens.

― paper plans (tipsy mothra), Friday, November 21, 2025 11:59 AM (thirty seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

fart

lag∞n, Friday, 21 November 2025 17:01 (two months ago)

But also if you're in a giant hurry to get right to "this guy sucks" before he's even taken office, you can just go ahead and do it. He'll probably give you even better reasons for that in the not too distant future.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Friday, 21 November 2025 17:01 (two months ago)

youre wilding man

lag∞n, Friday, 21 November 2025 17:02 (two months ago)

not trying to put this jacket on anyone here but i have noticed that educated liberals npr listeners etc are dem dead enders in a time when everyone absolutely hates the dem establishment, and its not because they agree with the dem establishments politics its because they think they know something about how politics works and are willing to excuse them based on the art of the possible or w/e, meanwhile everyone else is just like fuck these guys and that simple sentiment has opened up all sorts of possibilities like the election of mamdani

lag∞n, Friday, 21 November 2025 17:25 (two months ago)

Jeffries was one of 4 Dems who just voted for a GOP resolution to Condemn Socialism lmao

rob, Friday, 21 November 2025 17:27 (two months ago)

these conversations are so tedious

budo jeru, Friday, 21 November 2025 17:32 (two months ago)

damn sorry you had to read all that

lag∞n, Friday, 21 November 2025 17:33 (two months ago)

Dude I think Jeffries is totally useless and I'd be happy for him to lose. Schumer's my first choice for defenestration, but I would shed no tears at all for Jeffries. I also think it's good that he's being challenged! It's good for every establishment Dem to start worrying about being primaried, that would be a hugely healthy development and I hope it happens.

I also think it makes every kind of political sense for this to not be Mamdani's fight right now. He just fought his own fight! He doesn't have to immediately take on everybody else's. If Ossé runs and beats Jeffries without Mamdani's support, good for Ossé (and I think he and Mamdani would not have a hard time mending any rift over it). Let the guy first do the thing he has actually been working his ass off to do before you expect him to solve everything else.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Friday, 21 November 2025 17:34 (two months ago)

feel like the fact that jeffries is pretty uniquely unpopular and powerless for a congressional leader should play some sort of role in the calculus here. doesn’t mean he’s an easy target by any means

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Friday, 21 November 2025 17:36 (two months ago)

ive said this like five times but mamdani put himself in the fight hes not sitting it out hes opposed to jefferies being primaried

lag∞n, Friday, 21 November 2025 17:38 (two months ago)

like he’s not nancy pelosi or something

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Friday, 21 November 2025 17:40 (two months ago)

Sure but it's not a fight he sought out, that's the point. Ossé's the one putting him in this position, that's on him. If he announced without Mamdani's assurance of support, then that's his own political calculation. Nobody's obligated to expend time, effort and resources on you just because you suddenly decide you want to play giant-killer.

Again, think through what happens if Mamdani goes full banner flying behind Ossé and Ossé loses. Six months into his term in office, he immediately looks weak — and now he's still stuck with Jeffries but in an even more adversarial position than before. Meanwhile let's say the normal amount of first-term hiccups happen, and/or any number of bad events or natural disasters occur, and most of the whole political establishment of the country is already sitting around just waiting for an excuse to call him a failure. You already have all of that, and then you take a shot at one of the most powerful political figures in your own party and you lose. Not a great spot to be in! Worth the risk? Obviously he doesn't think so. You are of course free to disagree.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Friday, 21 November 2025 17:46 (two months ago)

Let’s hope he doesn’t get detained by ICE at the White House today 🙃

einstürzende louboutin (suzy), Friday, 21 November 2025 17:47 (two months ago)

also speaking of political capital, should also be mentioned there is probably considerable risk in taking the line mamdani is taking now. taking the explicit step of discouraging osse’s run risks embarrassment and the appearance of appearing weak if the DSA does end up not taking his advice and does endorse him, not to mention potentially creating a rift in his own caucus. just seems like considering the particular target (an irredeemable loser everyone hates) and the moment saying nothing would have been preferable

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Friday, 21 November 2025 17:47 (two months ago)

Sure, there's no risk-free approach to any of it. But he's the one making the assessment, and I think what he's doing to trying to keep his powder dry for things that he has actually set out to do (toppling Jeffries not being one of those things). I know lagoon doesn't believe in keeping powder dry, or that there is powder, or that it needs to be kept dry, but I think Mamdani probably sees it differently.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Friday, 21 November 2025 17:53 (two months ago)

I don’t know if y’all saw, but Jeffries was among four Democrats to vote to condemn socialism today in the house

(•̪●) (carne asada), Friday, 21 November 2025 17:56 (two months ago)

tipsy otm all day in this thread

jaymc, Friday, 21 November 2025 18:05 (two months ago)

How has this thread not been bumped in the past hour?!

the way out of (Eazy), Friday, 21 November 2025 21:27 (two months ago)

being discussed here

“The pathway to human thriving” - U.S. POLITICS NOVEMBER 2025

challopvious (sleeve), Friday, 21 November 2025 21:28 (two months ago)

Oh oh!! I was like ??

the way out of (Eazy), Friday, 21 November 2025 21:32 (two months ago)

you’d have to get up pretty early in the morning to get within breathing distance of the amount of time tipsy mothra has spent next to the actual workings of elected politicians and the bodies they participate in. this not just another dude on the internet who listened to a few podcasts. not that those people can’t be *ahem* trenchant *nervously releases steam from collar* and not that you can’t disagree w him but the idea that tipsy doesn’t understand how politicians acquire and utilise power is not the argument you want to go for imo

Tracer Hand, Friday, 21 November 2025 21:58 (two months ago)

lot of people with more experience than him believe a lot dumber stuff

lag∞n, Friday, 21 November 2025 22:01 (two months ago)

the videos of trump with mamdani in the oval office today are absolutely hilarious

flopson, Friday, 21 November 2025 22:19 (two months ago)

finessed his ass

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Friday, 21 November 2025 22:19 (two months ago)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G6TxZczWEAAFZDj?format=jpg&name=small

flopson, Friday, 21 November 2025 22:20 (two months ago)

Thanks Tracer. And right, no amount of experience is definitive or dispositive. But you learn things just by being around and paying attention. I still get surprised all the time, it's one of the good things about politics really. I love the Mamdani story, it's a great story and one of the most legitimately hopeful things that's happened this year. I also know he's gonna fuck some things up and have everyone on his ass all the time, and he will definitely disappoint people on some things. To be successful at all, he's going to need to be a good politician, a good administrator and a good leader, and all of those things are hard.

In both cases of discouraging Ossé and meeting with Trump, he's making political calculations. I think those calculations aren't very hard to understand, and they have to do with him placing top priority on being mayor of New York — which is the thing that he promised the people who voted for him. At the moment I don't see any reason to assume anything more than that, and that that's what he's trying to do. No idea how successful he'll be at any of it, and maybe it'll turn out he's a shithead in some way, all of these things are possible. But for now it just looks to me like basic politics and governance.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Friday, 21 November 2025 22:35 (two months ago)

God that is such liberal brained hogwash

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Saturday, 22 November 2025 01:01 (two months ago)

Welp I guess it is gonna get ugly in here. :/

Edward Albee Sure (Neanderthal), Saturday, 22 November 2025 01:17 (two months ago)

This afternoon, at last, Zohran Mamdani became president.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 22 November 2025 01:28 (two months ago)

honestly thought it would take a little longer

lag∞n, Saturday, 22 November 2025 01:30 (two months ago)

I have to say I don’t think picking a fight with Trump would serve the people of NYC. I believe Zohran is passionate about enacting as much of his agenda as he can and is making choices to that end.

treeship 2, Saturday, 22 November 2025 01:34 (two months ago)

I am stepping back, I don’t want to engage in the conversation about this any longer.

I admire a lot about you and the work you do, tipsy, and I know I am an irascible piece of shit at times. I just think that we aren’t living in a time where basic politics and governance cut it— we need more from our leaders and we need to demand more from them, and we have to stop playing into the way politics have been done for the past however many years. It hasn’t served any of us well, and it hasn’t served this country well. Boldness is what is winning votes and hearts and minds, and simply going with the flow is losing strategy and as I said before, it doesn’t serve people, but power for its own sake. I know that you’re not here for that, and I certainly am not.

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Saturday, 22 November 2025 01:38 (two months ago)

And with that, unbookmarked, enjoy.

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Saturday, 22 November 2025 01:39 (two months ago)

it would be cool to be able to rebookmark people— ilx impressment gangs

beige accent rug (Hunt3r), Saturday, 22 November 2025 01:57 (two months ago)

jk i wish him peace wherever he go

beige accent rug (Hunt3r), Saturday, 22 November 2025 01:57 (two months ago)

Today's the day that Donald J. Trump embraced FDR's portrait.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 22 November 2025 02:08 (two months ago)

what’s the deal with the trump mamdani stuff, does anyone know? did mamdani concede a bunch of meaningful compromises in the meeting or is trump just trying to rub his stink on him to set his base’s hair on end…

||||||||, Saturday, 22 November 2025 08:57 (two months ago)

or some other third thing like trump being a weird little guy

||||||||, Saturday, 22 November 2025 08:59 (two months ago)

that one

colonic interrogation (gyac), Saturday, 22 November 2025 09:03 (two months ago)

Might just be as simple as Zohran was unflappable and respected Trump but without toadying. He likes a winner and he likes people that act like it

anvil, Saturday, 22 November 2025 09:05 (two months ago)

and Zohran has both of those in spades

anvil, Saturday, 22 November 2025 09:06 (two months ago)

he’s got the juice

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 22 November 2025 09:46 (two months ago)

Cuomo is on the loser step now. Trump just loves that fresh winning smell, it transcends party politics!

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Saturday, 22 November 2025 10:05 (two months ago)

will go on record as saying that I think every billionaire's (and billionaire+'s) head should be chopped off and their assets distributed

jmc are you saying this one is controversial?

fall of the house of urrsher (sic), Saturday, 22 November 2025 10:26 (two months ago)

sorry zing crashed, rong thred

fall of the house of urrsher (sic), Saturday, 22 November 2025 10:28 (two months ago)

Asked to clarify if he thinks Trump is a fascist, before Mamdani can answer, Trump intervenes and laughs it off, saying, “That’s ok. You can just say yes. That’s easier. It’s easier than explaining.” pic.twitter.com/RfKJd6vAs1

— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) November 21, 2025

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Saturday, 22 November 2025 10:30 (two months ago)

"Shoulda heard what Vance called him"

nashwan, Saturday, 22 November 2025 10:36 (two months ago)

Trump is a starfucker, always was.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 22 November 2025 10:51 (two months ago)

it's amusing from a UK perspective, because we had the spectacle of a centre-right Labour Party minister trying to pretend she'd never heard of Mamdani and now Trump is giving him the VIP Whitehouse package.

vodkaitamin effrtvescent (calzino), Saturday, 22 November 2025 11:10 (two months ago)

We have a center-right NY Democratic Party that tried pretending Mamdani didn't exist.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 22 November 2025 11:12 (two months ago)

trump interacting with zohran gives me the same vibe as this https://t.co/P80zYQViKx pic.twitter.com/sKwkwPpGU6

— anna !!! :)) 🇵🇸🌸✨🌸🇵🇸 (@frogs4girls) November 22, 2025

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 22 November 2025 11:22 (two months ago)

I just think that we aren’t living in a time where basic politics and governance cut it— we need more from our leaders and we need to demand more from them, and we have to stop playing into the way politics have been done for the past however many years. It hasn’t served any of us well, and it hasn’t served this country well. Boldness is what is winning votes and hearts and minds, and simply going with the flow is losing strategy and as I said before, it doesn’t serve people, but power for its own sake. I know that you’re not here for that, and I certainly am not.

I know Tables is off the thread but just got to seeing this so fwiw: When I say basic politics and governance I mean just that, like this is the actual way you get things done or at least put yourself in a position to get things done. There is literally no avenue to being a successful mayor of New York that doesn’t involve effective politics and governance, if you want Mamdani to be successful at his stated mission and goals then you have to hope he’s good at politics and governance. You can of course argue about what will or won’t be effective, and we don’t yet know how good his judgment on those things will turn out to be. He’s demonstrably pretty good at politics, this whole year has shown that, so I’m inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt unless/until he fucks things up. I don’t think he lacks boldness! I think he’s pretty bold. But “boldness” doesn’t equal charging around willy-nilly, boldness without strategy can be disastrous.

That said, I know some people just hate the basic mechanics and transactional nature of politics. Even done well it can be pretty grubby and unsatisfying. It’s just, that’s what politicians DO. Politicians mostly aren’t revolutionaries and not many of them are visionaries. That doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have high expectations of them or hold them accountable. But if you don’t want politicians to do politics, maybe you don’t want politicians at all. Which leaves you with I don’t know what.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 22 November 2025 12:39 (two months ago)

what’s the deal with the trump mamdani stuff, does anyone know? did mamdani concede a bunch of meaningful compromises in the meeting or is trump just trying to rub his stink on him to set his base’s hair on end…

think it's basically just an extreme version of the thing where trump is easily impressed by anyone vaguely charismatic. mamdani didn't really concede anything at all and trump's just like 'being the mayor is so so important, i always wanted to be mayor...'

ufo, Saturday, 22 November 2025 12:49 (two months ago)

I think it's pretty simple, if you're surrounded by angry, bad-vibe ghouls 24/7, and the celebrities in your corner are Kid Rock and Scott Baio, you'll take any beam of light to brighten your darkness. That picture, it's one of the few times we've seen Trump legitimately smile.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 22 November 2025 13:18 (two months ago)

Mamdani knows Trump is easily swayed if you’re simply cool and friendly with him, this was all Jedi mind trick stuff. I have no idea why more politicians haven’t seen what an easy mark he is when one approaches him in an ingratiating manner. He knows you can’t “beat” Trump, not the way the corrupt system is set up now at least. But you can disarm him with charm. Optics wise it’s not the same as if he scolded Trump, but where has any of that agitation gotten us? It arguably brought us this brutal revenge tour. Instead, he had DJT playing defense for him. So now the RW media has to contend with that.

omar little, Saturday, 22 November 2025 15:34 (two months ago)

Seeing the likes of Gasparino not know how to react to it has honestly been refreshing.

Ned Raggett, Saturday, 22 November 2025 15:36 (two months ago)

Yeah and if you assume as I do that Mamdani's focus here is trying to create conditions where he can be most effective as mayor, forestalling and hedging against direct confrontation with Trump and the feds is a good move. I'm guessing he doesn't care whether Trump likes him personally — he most assuredly does not like Trump — but he understands that because Trump is Trump it does matter from a governing standpoint. Trump's whole deal is driven to a significant degree by whether he likes or feels respected by people, and entering the mayor's office without the immediate looming threat of a massive federal crackdown will make a lot of things easier. I still expect they'll end up in fights of one kind or another, but this is mostly about Mamdani having a chance to get on his feet before any of that happens.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 22 November 2025 15:47 (two months ago)

“whatever trump has” recognize game

beige accent rug (Hunt3r), Saturday, 22 November 2025 16:50 (two months ago)

In a few weeks' time he'll do something Trump disagrees with and this will all be forgotten.

fetter, Saturday, 22 November 2025 17:39 (two months ago)

https://bsky.app/profile/seantcollins.com/post/3m672ddr6nk2v

Dan Worsley, Saturday, 22 November 2025 18:05 (two months ago)

maga not handling this well

Trump supporters are making shitty AI videos of Trump arresting Mamdani in the Oval Office.

https://bsky.app/profile/paleofuture.bsky.social/post/3m66lonvvuk2z

lag∞n, Saturday, 22 November 2025 18:15 (two months ago)

Interesting article about the whole Chi Ossé situation:

As mayor-elect, one of Zohran Mamdani’s first acts was to squelch an insurgent leftist’s political campaign.

If this, like Mamdani’s chummy meeting with Donald Trump, was obviously jarring, it carried a certain logic. He had been open about the fact that he did not want Chi Ossé, a popular leftist and 27-year-old City Council member, to undertake a primary challenge against House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries next year. To make his point subtly, he had disinvited Ossé from his victory party. Then, to make it more bluntly, he showed up at a meeting of the Democratic Socialists of America and told everybody not to endorse Ossé. Ultimately, DSA listened to its mayor.

Why has Mamdani been acting this way? Why does he seem to be forsaking another young leftist who is attempting, in some form, to do exactly what Mamdani just did: shock the world by defeating a heavily favored creature of the Democratic Establishment?

The answer speaks to Mamdani’s emerging pragmatism and the reality of his position as a 34-year-old democratic-socialist mayor. It’s also, to a degree, an indictment of Ossé himself. The young councilmember joined DSA only this year, and some of the rank and file were skeptical of his commitment to the organization. Though the media has characterized Ossé as a staunch Mamdani supporter, he did not solely back the long-shot assemblyman in the primary. He co-endorsed Brad Lander and became an enthusiastic Mamdani backer only as the primary drew. Among DSA members who voted “no,” there was a feeling that he was not truly committed to Mamdani or his politics. (Disclosure: When I ran for office, Mamdani was my campaign manager.)

There was also the steep challenge of the potential primary against Jeffries. Mamdani did beat Andrew Cuomo within the confines of Jeffries’s Brooklyn congressional district, but his victory was not overwhelming. Unlike Cuomo, Jeffries is not scandal-scarred. And unlike another major Democratic leader who was felled by an upstart leftist, he is not absent from his district; Joe Crowley raised his family in Virginia and took his 2018 race against Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez for granted. Jeffries is well known in central and eastern Brooklyn, especially among the working- and middle-class Black voters who are much more likely to stick with him. In 2027, there’s a strong chance Jeffries could end up House Speaker, and rank-and-file Democrats may be reluctant to toss that seniority aside. And then there’s the money Jeffries can raise now: tens of millions to drown Ossé out.

Jeffries offered only a tepid endorsement of Mamdani, voted for a resolution to condemn socialism on the House floor, and remains an Israel hawk. For many leftists, understandably, this should be enough of a reason to back Ossé and try to drive Jeffries from office. There’s a reasonable argument to make that putting the heat on would force him to the left and give DSA more leverage over him. But Mamdani, a meticulous political operator, must think about his own left-wing agenda next year. Though Jeffries would have little say over whether the state can cough up enough cash to fund a universal-child-care program or make buses free, Kathy Hochul does, and she very much wants Jeffries left alone.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 25 November 2025 15:33 (two months ago)

wow!^^^^

a (waterface), Tuesday, 25 November 2025 15:40 (two months ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsi5C_5HpoY

This Thrilling Saga is the Top Show on Netflix Right Now (President Keyes), Tuesday, 25 November 2025 15:51 (two months ago)

of all the speculation of why mamdani is endorsing jeffries and working to prevent any challenge to him getting in good with hochul makes the most sense, all this noise about whether osse could win is total nonsense tho how many of these people churning out politics expertise thought mamdani could win when he launched, and noting some particular reoccurring talking points there, one thing we can read from the tea leaves is the establishment very much does not want a jeffries challenger, also emerging pragmatism... Mamdani, a meticulous political operator... (Disclosure: When I ran for office, Mamdani was my campaign manager.) come on man

lag∞n, Tuesday, 25 November 2025 15:52 (two months ago)

tho tbf they could just be sonning him and dont really care if someone runs against jeffries, but tbf given the current political environment it does make a lot of sense to not want someone running to your left when youre a corporate centrist genocide participant

lag∞n, Tuesday, 25 November 2025 16:00 (two months ago)

sort of feels like people want Mamdani to dive in but also won't tolerate him getting wet

fluffy tufts university (f. hazel), Tuesday, 25 November 2025 16:01 (two months ago)

In conclusion Mamdani has failed and needs to be primaried

Edward Albee Sure (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 25 November 2025 16:03 (two months ago)

we do all know what they say about fortune favoring the pratical

lag∞n, Tuesday, 25 November 2025 16:06 (two months ago)

im sure we can assume that alienating a bunch of supporters before setting foot in office is practical, would be nice if he gave some explanation of what hes up to tho, that way people who want to support him wont have to just wave their hands while saying politics

lag∞n, Tuesday, 25 November 2025 16:12 (two months ago)

getting in bed with these ny politicians man not like he has any choice it is the state in which he resides but they will absolutely lie to your face and then knife you the minute your back is turned, hope whatever deal he made with hochul pans out cause lord knows nyc needs his agenda to succeed

lag∞n, Tuesday, 25 November 2025 16:20 (two months ago)

The NYT story about him speaking at DSA meeting included a pretty straightforward explanation: “The choice before us is not whether to vote for Chi or Hakeem at the ballot box,” Mr. Mamdani said, according to four people familiar with the matter, including two who attended the meeting. “The choice is how to spend the next year. Do we want to spend it defending caricatures of our movement, or do we want to spend it fulfilling the agenda at the heart of that very same movement?”

You might not agree with his thinking and strategy, but that's not a hard argument to understand. And the NY Mag link gets at something I've thought might be part of it too — it seems like Ossé is very much trying to ride his coattails, in a way that Mamdani perhaps finds aggravating. It's the kind of thing you would typically only do if you first nailed down the support of the person whose tails you're riding on rather than just assuming they'll back you. That's politically impetuous and reckless, and as I said somewhere up above, that's really on Ossé. Mamdani doesn't owe him anything.

Taking out Hakeem Jeffries is the kind of thing you only try to do with a lot of preparation, a good team, and a strong strategy. There's no real evidence Ossé has any of those things, and Mamdani may well think it's an unwinnable race under the circumstances that's just going to further divide New York Democrats at a time when for his own governing purposes he really wants them all behind him.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 25 November 2025 16:23 (two months ago)

i have a hard time seeing that really being his reason, going on tv saying he thinks jeffries should be the speaker of the house, seems like more than just thinking a congressional race will be a distraction to his admin, also its just a weird idea Do we want to spend it defending caricatures of our movement is that how he viewed his race seemed like he saw it more as an opportunity to present his ideas

lag∞n, Tuesday, 25 November 2025 16:30 (two months ago)

Do we want to spend it defending caricatures of our movement

What caricatures is he talking about here?

This Thrilling Saga is the Top Show on Netflix Right Now (President Keyes), Tuesday, 25 November 2025 16:50 (two months ago)

is that how he viewed his race

No but he was in charge of his own race, and he positioned himself really specifically and carefully in what he talked about and how he talked about it, how he presented himself. That was a really focused and well run campaign, and we saw the results of that. I don't know what he thinks about Ossé's political and strategic skills, but in supporting him he would be lending his own hard-earned credibility to somebody who he may not feel so confident in.

What caricatures is he talking about here?

All of the ones he just spent the last year fighting and is I assume eager to disprove by getting to the business of running the city rather than staying in campaign mode on someone else's behalf.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 25 November 2025 16:53 (two months ago)

I know it's out of context, but I read it at first that he was calling Osse a caricature of the movement.

This Thrilling Saga is the Top Show on Netflix Right Now (President Keyes), Tuesday, 25 November 2025 16:58 (two months ago)

Oh, I just read it as another six months of commie-commie-commie stuff.

Also Mamdani is hopefully smart and self-aware enough to understand that as good a campaign as he ran, he also just benefited tremendously from running against truly terrible candidates. An indicted incumbent, a disgraced former governor who was forced to resign the office, that's the other reason he won. Jeffries might be more vulnerable than your typical party potentate just because the party establishment is so broadly unpopular right now, but he's not Adams or Cuomo.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 25 November 2025 17:09 (two months ago)

Jeffries might be more vulnerable than your typical party potentate just because the party establishment is so broadly unpopular right now, but he's not Adams or Cuomo.

It seems like Jeffries' big vulnerabilities are with a) people who watch a whole lot of cable news and are thus subjected to his dead-eyed visage more frequently than is healthy and b) Bluesky ranters. How many of those people are actual voters in his district remains to be seen.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 25 November 2025 17:35 (two months ago)

Yeah for sure

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 25 November 2025 17:36 (two months ago)

you guys should check out how dem leadership is polling

lag∞n, Tuesday, 25 November 2025 17:36 (two months ago)

maybe everyone is just ranting on bluesky idk

lag∞n, Tuesday, 25 November 2025 17:37 (two months ago)

Yeah I literally just said the Dem leadership is deeply unpopular. And for good reasons too, they’re useless.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 25 November 2025 17:39 (two months ago)

you guys should check out how dem leadership is polling

National polls. How is Jeffries polling in his own district? (I don't know the answer.)

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 25 November 2025 17:54 (two months ago)

This is a problem across the country, ftr; people will tell pollsters, "Congress sucks, but my guy, he's all right."

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 25 November 2025 17:55 (two months ago)

From last month:

Internal polling shows that Jeffries is well-liked in his congressional district, and that Ossé is still pretty unknown – despite his social media virality. According to the poll, 74% of voters approve of the job Jeffries is doing, 69% view him favorably and 69% said they would “probably” or “definitely” vote to reelect him. In a head-to-head matchup, the poll found that 72% would vote for Jeffries, while 21% would vote for Ossé. But Ossé has room to grow. Half of voters polled said they had never heard of him.

https://www.cityandstateny.com/politics/2025/10/private-poll-shows-hakeem-jeffries-50-point-lead-over-chi-osse-hypothetical-congressional-primary/408870/

jaymc, Tuesday, 25 November 2025 18:21 (two months ago)

People in Jeffries district might think that having the next Speaker of the House representing them will result in material benefits. Maybe it will, maybe it won't--but it's a rational thought.

This Thrilling Saga is the Top Show on Netflix Right Now (President Keyes), Tuesday, 25 November 2025 18:49 (two months ago)

I think the same rationale has always helped a lot of blatantly shitty Senators and Representatives with seniority and clout - they bring the pork home, which gets enough voters to overlook their shortcomings.

birdistheword, Tuesday, 25 November 2025 19:26 (two months ago)

crazy thing is they dont even really bring the pork home anymore due to reforms the pork barrel is a shadow of itself like so much corruption these days theyve cut out the whole throw the little guy a bone part

lag∞n, Tuesday, 25 November 2025 19:31 (two months ago)

as for whether jeffries district likes having him around the only way to really find out is to have a primary its called democracy baby, pretty funny to see people labeling cuomo as a doomed disgraced loser when a year ago he was the run away favorite and mamdani was polling at 1%

lag∞n, Tuesday, 25 November 2025 19:34 (two months ago)

and congressmen aren't bringing home the pork as much as they used to before they policed themselves more than 20 years ago

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 25 November 2025 19:36 (two months ago)

easy to lose sight of the fact the cuomo was almost certainly planning on using the mayoralty as a stepping stone back to state wide office, it was supposed to be an easy scrimmage in preparation for the real game, lol important to be grateful for our blessings

lag∞n, Tuesday, 25 November 2025 19:40 (two months ago)

Rwandan Uber driver in Cape Town full of love for ZM today, joked that maybe he’d come to NY as an illegal now

bulb after bulb, Tuesday, 25 November 2025 21:37 (two months ago)

if the goal should be to disempower jeffries, the fact that he’s well-liked in his district should be seen as a fact to be overcome, not something to just blindly defer to. whether osse has the juice to be the guy to do it is really the question and it seems like zohran doesn’t really seem like he does, plus the obvious horse trading stuff with other dem leaders. I still think the better play would have been to remain neutral

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 26 November 2025 19:41 (two months ago)

I went to a screening of It Was Just an Accident at MoMA on Sunday - I had already seen it, but I went with a friend who hadn't and it's possibly my favorite film of the year so I had no problem seeing it again.

There were two welcome surprises: first, they added a Q&A with Jafar Panahi after it was announced that he was doing a second tour of the U.S. to promote the film (and making a short film about it at the same time). The second happened right before the film started, when Mira Nair sat down right in front of me, and amazingly it seemed like nobody else around her recognized her. (The big dudes on either side of her looked right at her at different points and clearly had no idea who was sitting next to them.) The one exception was one older man in a hat who sat a few seats over from me, and they clearly knew each other, so at the end of the film, when the credits rolled and everyone between me and him had vacated, I invited him to move over next to me so they could talk. Then the Q&A started - Panahi still has amazing stories to tell about making the film - and when it was over and Nair stood up, I said hello and "congratulations on your son!" She was very nice and sweet, and she also said "oh, his father is right over there too!" and of course she was referring to the older man, so I just laughed, apologized for not recognizing him earlier and congratulated him as well - he looked a little shy, but he was very nice and very gracious.

Anyway, between this, Springsteen's surprise visit two weeks ago and meeting Tilda Swinton at her book talk and, it's been one of those months where I just fucking love MoMA and this city in general.

birdistheword, Monday, 1 December 2025 19:21 (two months ago)

one month passes...

https://bsky.app/profile/missingthept.bsky.social/post/3mbgce7la5w2q

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 January 2026 17:26 (one month ago)

"We will replace the frigidity of rugged individualism with the warmth of collectivism"

great line, great sentiment imo

Father McGammycurry (calzino), Friday, 2 January 2026 18:34 (one month ago)

banaka would disagree

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Friday, 2 January 2026 18:48 (one month ago)

he REALLY missed off conservatives with that line

trm (tombotomod), Friday, 2 January 2026 18:57 (one month ago)

pissed off. fuck you, autocorrect

trm (tombotomod), Friday, 2 January 2026 18:57 (one month ago)

also I think the only warmth at the inauguration block party was definitely coming from collectivism because if you didn’t have taller folks standing around you to serve as a windbreak you were in for it, even my partner who is short and had a big heavy coat with a hood had a reddened face for at least an hour afterwards

worth it tho

trm (tombotomod), Friday, 2 January 2026 19:01 (one month ago)

I like to warm my cold palms by the fire of collectivism.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 2 January 2026 19:11 (one month ago)

was out of town but finally caught this - didn't take much to realize this is a generational talent but damn if he doesn't know when to throw a jadakiss reference at the perfect moment.

My homies buttthole surfers' record sounds like a f (Western® with Bacon Flavor), Saturday, 3 January 2026 08:18 (one month ago)

Last week, we announced a plan to make child care universal. Today, applications are open for pre-K & 3-K. If your child is turning 3 or 4, apply now for the fall at: https://t.co/Ghy11RZNkq pic.twitter.com/VVpByv9x3w

— Mayor Zohran Kwame Mamdani (@NYCMayor) January 14, 2026

xyzzzz__, Friday, 16 January 2026 09:29 (four weeks ago)

If schemes like this become reality he will get to Mugabe levels come re-election time

xyzzzz__, Friday, 16 January 2026 09:30 (four weeks ago)

maybe London should try and elect a democratic socialist mayor with cool universalist policies rather than that Labour Party fraud who even baulks at too much *affordable housing*

calzino, Friday, 16 January 2026 09:41 (four weeks ago)

He's just killing it:

https://bsky.app/profile/jamespmanley.bsky.social/post/3mclqagy3bk2i

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 17 January 2026 12:57 (four weeks ago)

That made me well up!

einstürzende louboutin (suzy), Saturday, 17 January 2026 13:23 (four weeks ago)

he charmed a pitbull! Should be the slogan of his reelection campaign.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 17 January 2026 13:31 (four weeks ago)

um, pitbulls aren’t hard to charm. most of them are wiggle butt house hippos.

He has recently criticized the chants of groups protesting West Bank development companies holding meetings in synagogues. Perhaps it is just me, but protesting crimes against humanity and international law shouldn’t be tone-policed.

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Saturday, 17 January 2026 13:44 (four weeks ago)

When you become Mayor you realize the power of the Tone Police union.

This Thrilling Saga is the Top Show on Netflix Right Now (President Keyes), Saturday, 17 January 2026 13:51 (four weeks ago)

Pitbulls are easy to charm when they know you. Get them the fuck away from me.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 17 January 2026 14:04 (four weeks ago)

I don’t like them much because in October, one (an XL bully cross) belonging to the local psycho jumped over a garden fence to attack me and my dog, who needed ten staples to deal with the puncture wounds (Widget is fine now, but I was worried his personality would alter).

I know there are loads of friendly house hippos all over America (and loads in shelters) but most in the UK are status dogs for guys who take steroids to the point of micropenis.

einstürzende louboutin (suzy), Saturday, 17 January 2026 14:25 (four weeks ago)

often feel like the pooches are getting high on their owners' supply.

the important "maybe his head just did that" theory (stevie), Saturday, 17 January 2026 14:26 (four weeks ago)

I still have a scar on my thigh (everything happened so fast I couldn’t work out if scratch or bite).

einstürzende louboutin (suzy), Saturday, 17 January 2026 14:37 (four weeks ago)

when I used to take Marin to play at the park when she was a toddler I spent a not insignificant amount of time wondering how quickly I could spatchcock the many nearby Bully XLs if they launched themselves at her. Just classic new-parent paranoia, they were mostly very friendly, but not exactly kept on a tight leash (I love and would never harm an animal) (unless it was trying to eat my kid's face) (I know I know).

the important "maybe his head just did that" theory (stevie), Saturday, 17 January 2026 15:24 (four weeks ago)

she's currently desperate for a dog so my congenital dog-fear has completely skipped a generation.

the important "maybe his head just did that" theory (stevie), Saturday, 17 January 2026 15:25 (four weeks ago)

You’d probably get on with a whippet! If brought into a cat home as a puppy they do well, and they seem to have dog hardware/cat software. If you get a floofdoodle type, you’re looking at £60 every three months at a groomer (I grew up in a poodle household). Easy to housetrain, and a good breeder can predict temperament and match accordingly to new homes.

We met a tiny new neighbourhood whiplet earlier, blue and 10w old, and Widget uncled her well. LMK if you guys come into town together because if you’re ever central, I’d be happy to introduce M to my Widiot.

einstürzende louboutin (suzy), Saturday, 17 January 2026 15:40 (four weeks ago)

the hatred of pitbulls means you and i will never meet in person, Alfred. oh well.

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Saturday, 17 January 2026 15:45 (four weeks ago)

leave the pitbull at home, I'll bring the Campari.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 17 January 2026 15:46 (four weeks ago)

Never heard this house hippo term but I wouldn't use it as an indicator of docility, hippos are dangerous bastards!

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Saturday, 17 January 2026 16:07 (four weeks ago)

My understanding is that the lion’s share of our understanding of dog breed temperaments is a recursive self-fulfilling prophecy. People who want nasty attack dogs get pit bulls and Dobermans and train them to be nasty attack dogs. So it’s not inaccurate to have the impression that they’re more likely to be antisocial or aggressive, but the asshole owners are the reason, not the breed.

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Saturday, 17 January 2026 16:07 (four weeks ago)

thanks, was about to post something like that. there is nothing inherently dangerous about pitbulls, and most that i have met (and the one that has slept in our bed with us for the past 11+ years) are friendly, docile, and love people.

separating the owners from the breed is actually really important— the false perception that they are all dangerous beasts leads to them being killed in outsized numbers for no reason.

one of my ultimate goals is to have a large enough property where i can have a pitbull sanctuary, especially for older dogs and those who are good but cannot get out of shelter systems. they’re my favorite dogs.

whereas if you asked me if i wanted a whippet, i’d look at you as if you were crazy.

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Saturday, 17 January 2026 16:13 (four weeks ago)

You’d probably get on with a whippet! If brought into a cat home as a puppy they do well, and they seem to have dog hardware/cat software.

Sadly, as of a week ago, we are now a catless home. vague plans to get a dog and a kitten, maybe two kittens (is that insanity?) later this summer. house is too empty without pets. We have friends who got a whippet-ish dog last last year and he is a peach! I'm not a very dog person, though I do like the terriers with the beards. Mostly I just want cats, but I've hit the point where denying Marin a dog feels like an act of cruelty.

the important "maybe his head just did that" theory (stevie), Saturday, 17 January 2026 16:14 (four weeks ago)

Pitties are poor country people dogs up here in North Central Florida.

Christine Green Leafy Dragon Indigo, Saturday, 17 January 2026 16:49 (four weeks ago)

I cannot go to the shelter, there's a whole room of un-adopt-able "big" dogs...the little and cute ones get adopted quickly but the pit and staffie etc mixes were obviously dying out of sheer kennel depression even though volunteers came and walked and tried to play with them. A note on the status board said "She won't even come out of her kennel anymore." I had to be taken out crying. I'll be a monthly supporter of your sanctuary, tabes.

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Saturday, 17 January 2026 17:11 (four weeks ago)

I’m sorry but while I accept that dogs are heavily influenced by their owners, the pit bull was bred carefully and specifically for dog fighting and bull baiting.

assert (matttkkkk), Saturday, 17 January 2026 18:20 (four weeks ago)

the pit bull was bred carefully and specifically for dog fighting and bull baiting

Yeah, but that just means they're strong dogs with powerful jaws. You can't breed a dog to be hostile or dangerous; that requires training. Breeding and training are two different things.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Saturday, 17 January 2026 18:26 (four weeks ago)

my dog is a black lab (which allegedly are cuddly lovely clowns and he is 99% of the time) and when he was getting castrated at the vets he caused an almighty fuss and almost bit one of the vets directly in the face and it took 5 of them to hold him down, the receptionist had a gash on her arm from him. I was quite shocked because I'd never seen behaviour like that from him.

They told me never to bring him back without a muzzle (I think the subtext was don't bring him back at all you fucker!). The lesson I learned was that ANY breed of medium sized upwards dog with teeth can be dangerous or even deadly when they go into fight or flight mode.

calzino, Saturday, 17 January 2026 18:35 (four weeks ago)

when he was getting castrated at the vets he caused an almighty fuss

I mean... can you blame the guy?

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Saturday, 17 January 2026 18:40 (four weeks ago)

Breeding and training are two different things.

Absolutely. But while a large part of breeding is for specific physical attributes, breeders also select for specific temperaments, which is why certain breeds are agreed to have identifiable personalities that are characteristic to them. Terriers have totally different personalities than poodles and that's not due to training. Just ask Zohran Mamdani and he'll tell you.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 17 January 2026 18:42 (four weeks ago)

folks

trm (tombotomod), Saturday, 17 January 2026 18:47 (four weeks ago)

dogs are good

trm (tombotomod), Saturday, 17 January 2026 18:47 (four weeks ago)

be nice to them

trm (tombotomod), Saturday, 17 January 2026 18:47 (four weeks ago)

ban asshole owners and trainers, never ban a dog

trm (tombotomod), Saturday, 17 January 2026 18:48 (four weeks ago)

I was quite shocked because I'd never seen behaviour like that from him.

I daresay this was because you'd never attempted to castrate him!

the important "maybe his head just did that" theory (stevie), Saturday, 17 January 2026 18:54 (four weeks ago)

I think he was traumatised by vets when he needed major surgery to have a sock removed from his small intestine as a pup. Now he rightfully sees them as dangerous people who are out to mutilate him!

calzino, Saturday, 17 January 2026 19:02 (four weeks ago)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90oUC4KdIqk

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 17 January 2026 19:10 (four weeks ago)

📹

trm (tombotomod), Saturday, 17 January 2026 19:15 (four weeks ago)

lol derp

trm (tombotomod), Saturday, 17 January 2026 19:16 (four weeks ago)

I’m sorry but while I accept that dogs are heavily influenced by their owners, the pit bull was bred carefully and specifically for dog fighting and bull baiting.

As unperson pointed out, breeding and training are different things, and pitbull-type dogs are also known as babysitter dogs because people trusted them enough to watch their kids when they left the house. That’s training.

That people on this board of all places buy into the largely racist hysteria about bully breeds is really telling me something. A bunch of yall also were willing to forgive Michael Vick because “he served his time,” when the guy literally nailed a dog to a tree through its throat using a nailgun.

Like seriously fuck off with these bad takes.

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Saturday, 17 January 2026 19:57 (four weeks ago)

dig the new breed

madame defarge supporters club (Hunt3r), Saturday, 17 January 2026 20:07 (four weeks ago)

I will totally cop to feeling unsafe around dogs with those WIDE jaws but allow it, one attacked me and my 13kg whippet three months back out of NOWHERE. The owner has an RSPCA ban on for home breeding/cruelty to animals, and it isn’t being enforced. Widget gets mad at every pit he sees now so I am forever telling the nicer owners that he is writing cheques with his mouth that the ass cannot cash.

Tabes, pit bulls are not THE babysitter/nanny dogs. You might be confusing them with Staffordshire bull terriers, and you can dig down for yourself to see them described as such; it’s a British thing. I adore a proper Staffy (the smaller, the better). But I do admire your desire to shelter pit bulls!

einstürzende louboutin (suzy), Saturday, 17 January 2026 20:53 (four weeks ago)

I get it that pit bulls can be loving and loyal. It makes good sense to me. Same is true of dobermans. Those breeds are also highly protective of those to whom they are attached, so pitties being used as babysitter dogs also makes great sense. A happy, well-socialized pit bull is not a problem for anyone. But a poorly socialized pit bull doesn't need to be trained for fighting in order to be unpredictable around strangers; poor socialization can lead it to view any stranger as a potential danger just because it has insufficient experience of anybody but their owner and immediate 'pack'.

This would apply to quite a few breeds, but pit bulls do have those powerful jaws, so when one is reactive enough to attack, it can do permanent damage or even kill. That's how it is built.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 17 January 2026 20:59 (four weeks ago)

ban asshole owners and trainers, never ban a dog

#truthbombs

vague facial gymnastics (sleeve), Saturday, 17 January 2026 21:05 (four weeks ago)

Hippos are the deadliest animal in Africa.

Pit bulls can be sweethearts, like any breed of dog, but aiui they are responsible for a disproportionate number of attacks. I'm sure (lack of) training has a lot to do with this. I've also heard they can be really loyal/protective breeds, which can lead to aggressive behavior. That's true of lots of dogs, but pit bulls are also strong as fuck.

Anyway. Billy Bragg just made a long post that more or less concludes that Trump is not a fascist because a fascist would not allow Mamdani to run and win (a point he brings up multiple times responding to comments:

https://www.facebook.com/billybraggofficial/posts/since-renee-good-was-shot-dead-by-ice-in-minneapolis-last-week-there-have-been-a/1421004406054547/

Sorry for the Facebook, but I don't think he's posted it anywhere else yet and I didn't want to post the whole thing.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 17 January 2026 21:36 (four weeks ago)

I got no idea who Billy Bragg is, but whatever else might be true about him, he is no deep political thinker, by which I mean he's an idiot. Trump is a fascist through and through. He is just a fascist who has not yet succeeded in fully consolidating his power. Doesn't mean he doesn't intend to have full control over government and society and is doing all he can to accomplish it.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Saturday, 17 January 2026 22:16 (four weeks ago)

Billy Bragg is a British folk singer from the 80s.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Saturday, 17 January 2026 22:45 (four weeks ago)

Bragg is a songwriter/musician, and a really good one, and a well known socialist activist who has spent his entire career fighting fascism. I think his rhetorical argument is that as long as there is a mechanism that allows someone like Mamdani to win, fascism hasn't fully taken effect. Bragg's concession in his comments iirc is that if there are no midterms, then yes, game over on that front.

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 17 January 2026 22:46 (four weeks ago)

xpost

Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 17 January 2026 22:46 (four weeks ago)

What does Wilco think?

Lithium Just Madison (C. Grisso/McCain), Saturday, 17 January 2026 22:50 (four weeks ago)

Billy Bragg is a vacuous melt whose opinion on anything doesn't really matter at all to anybody, his base conception of fascism is so fucking moronic and retrograde and intellectually vacuous it's not even worth thinking about. This is a guy who has previously stanned for cryptofascist nonsense like *progressive patriotism* and has been a supporter of the UK LibDems ... nuff said

calzino, Saturday, 17 January 2026 22:50 (four weeks ago)

Bragg is a songwriter/musician, and a really good one, and a well known socialist activist

lol .. good joke .. at least you are not being serious here ... BECAUSE THAT WOULD MAKE YOU FUCKING CLUELESS!

calzino, Saturday, 17 January 2026 22:56 (four weeks ago)

suzy, my girl is an American Staffordshire Terrier, a real low rider so she’s definitely mixed with something else

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Saturday, 17 January 2026 22:56 (four weeks ago)

table criticizing zohran over israel/palestine stuff but the thread veering off on a pit bull debate tangent anyway is frying me

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 17 January 2026 22:56 (four weeks ago)

:-) People should be allowed to shame and yell at wannabe settlers!!

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Saturday, 17 January 2026 22:58 (four weeks ago)

Definitely. Using a temple as a venue to sell real estate of any kind is a shande.

einstürzende louboutin (suzy), Saturday, 17 January 2026 23:05 (four weeks ago)

table how do you feel about the premise that being a successful mayor of a city like new york requires some baseline level of performative political behavior i.e. issuing statements decrying this and that instance of anti-semitism, in the service of accomplishing bigger policy goals? i think to want to be mayor you have to be okay playing that game, it’s a natural process of self selection

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Saturday, 17 January 2026 23:13 (four weeks ago)

pitbull-type dogs are also known as babysitter dogs because people trusted them enough to watch their kids when they left the house. That’s training.

People who hated or neglected their kids, perhaps. Everyone else knows they are bred as fighting dogs and their level of gameness is directly attributable to this. Extremely glad to live in a country where owning this breed is illegal and where it’s considered bad for a dog to bite people. Suggest anyone falling for the “owner not dog” nonsense and “nanny dog” reads up on the case of Vanessa Masset, who left her two year old alone for a minute while she ran to a neighbour with two dogs who tore the little girl apart. As if that wasn’t bad enough, people turned out to protest the euthanising of one of these things.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BanPitBulls/comments/168pjea/facebook_scandal_after_courtordered_euthanasia_of/

But sure, it’s racism, and not the fact these ugly things maul and kill children, smaller animals and their owners all the fucking time . All dogs bite, majority of them cannot do damage in such a short span and with no regard for their own personal safety.

Open your sanctuary by all means. It’ll be full of the types currently crowding out American no-kill shelters for years on end because most people don’t want a dog that might maim you for looking at it wrong.

colonic interrogation (gyac), Saturday, 17 January 2026 23:31 (four weeks ago)

i don't think this is a productive conversation to have on this thread

budo jeru, Saturday, 17 January 2026 23:54 (four weeks ago)

I don't think anyone cares what you have to say you tedious fucking blowhard. Honestly, your posts bore me rigid on every thread you post on.

calzino, Saturday, 17 January 2026 23:56 (four weeks ago)

Sorry, sorry, that was a little harsh. Just haunted by the woman who had to be airlifted to a hospital in Dublin from her home two hours away because her “family dog” mauled her so badly and there’s been no update on her condition since. Am sure she did something to deserve it though!

https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2025/1230/1550947-dog-attack-carlow/

And naturally this, in the past week. (Don’t look up photos of the child’s face. It’s bad.)

https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/courts/2026/01/06/family-of-boy-mauled-by-dog-lodge-high-court-proceedings-over-attack/

colonic interrogation (gyac), Saturday, 17 January 2026 23:58 (four weeks ago)

xp sorry calz i respect you a ton but you’re wrong on this ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

colonic interrogation (gyac), Saturday, 17 January 2026 23:59 (four weeks ago)

I was replying to Budo jero there, even though I don't agree with you on this. Just some cross thread beef shit going on here because they were very rude to me the other day and I am a churlish arse at times!

calzino, Sunday, 18 January 2026 00:03 (three weeks ago)

well this was not what I expected these 30 new posts to be about!

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Sunday, 18 January 2026 00:04 (three weeks ago)

What are Pitbull's Flaws?

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 18 January 2026 00:06 (three weeks ago)

All dogs are potentially dangerous because they have sharp teeth and they have strong jaw muscles etc.. All humans are dangerous by a similar metric, they can murder people in many different ways .. much more dangerous than any particular breeds of dog.

calzino, Sunday, 18 January 2026 00:07 (three weeks ago)

the NRA’s rhetoric seems to have made an impression on a lot of people!

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Sunday, 18 January 2026 00:10 (three weeks ago)

calz OTM on Billy Bragg btw

Wearing red lipstick and maintaining a neutral expression (Tom D.), Sunday, 18 January 2026 00:10 (three weeks ago)

I figured this revive was going to be about the moneyed class’s latest ratfucking operation

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Sunday, 18 January 2026 00:12 (three weeks ago)

I grew up with a serial killer who is still doing an interminable life sentence in Midlands Prison, Portlaoise. He quite possibly murdered my best friend by pushing him in front of a car in 1981. Dogs can be murderers as well, yes I accept this. But mainly humans are murderers and scumbags, not dogs.

calzino, Sunday, 18 January 2026 00:15 (three weeks ago)

^ most calz post of all time (not an insult).

colonic interrogation (gyac), Sunday, 18 January 2026 00:22 (three weeks ago)

This thread shows us how divisive Mamdani’s mayorality already is.

This Thrilling Saga is the Top Show on Netflix Right Now (President Keyes), Sunday, 18 January 2026 01:12 (three weeks ago)

A pit bull bit my kid‘s face and another bit my arm. Neither was in a situation where they were being threatened or provoked.

I’m sure some pit bulls are absolutely lovely animals and I don’t condone animal cruelty but some of you people are literal species traitors that I expect would fuck over a minority to save a murder dog. Fuck you.

our beloved RIFF LORD (DJP), Sunday, 18 January 2026 01:38 (three weeks ago)

i think to want to be mayor you have to be okay playing that game, it’s a natural process of self selection

Unless you're Donald Trump, who mostly does not do this, but there aren't many Trumps.

But in general of course you have to balance interests and pay lip service to lots of things in any kind of representative position, especially one where you're governing 8 million people. And one political reality for the first Muslim mayor of New York is that he's gonna have to do some performative Not a Scary Muslim stuff to satisfy certain constituencies. The trick is doing that while maintaining core principles. Which of course is why politics often selects for people without super-firm core principles.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 18 January 2026 01:57 (three weeks ago)

To be clear, what he condemned was a chant of “We support Hamas” which is a political no-brainer.

This Thrilling Saga is the Top Show on Netflix Right Now (President Keyes), Sunday, 18 January 2026 02:16 (three weeks ago)

#onethread

Gentler Death Squads Please (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 18 January 2026 02:23 (three weeks ago)

Fuck off gyac

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Sunday, 18 January 2026 04:19 (three weeks ago)

As the saying goes, facts don't care about your feelings

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 18 January 2026 08:29 (three weeks ago)

To be clear, what he condemned was a chant of “We support Hamas” which is a political no-brainer.

― This Thrilling Saga is the Top Show on Netflix Right Now (President Keyes), Sunday, 18 January 2026 bookmarkflaglink

That's a shame, he should keep to opening nursery's and prosecuting landlords.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 18 January 2026 08:32 (three weeks ago)

I actually largely agree with that. Both supporters and detractors seem to focus on things outside the job he was elected to do.

anvil, Sunday, 18 January 2026 08:43 (three weeks ago)

he was elected to sort out this pitbull business and that's what he's gonna do

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Sunday, 18 January 2026 09:08 (three weeks ago)

He never mentioned pitbulls once though, this isn't what people voted for

anvil, Sunday, 18 January 2026 09:11 (three weeks ago)

In Malaysia in 2016, the Malaysian Islamic Development Department, a religious governing body, prohibited the use of the term hot dog to refer to the food of that name. It asked food outlets selling them to rename their products or risk refusal of halal certification. The term 'Pretzel dog' was considered more appropriate. Per local media, Malaysian halal food guidelines prohibit naming halal products after non-halal products.[95] Islamist organization Hamas which controls the Gaza Strip, banned public dog walking in May 2017, stating it was to "protect our women and children". Hamas officials stated that the ban was in response to a rise in dog walking on the streets which they stated was "against culture and traditions in Gaza".[96]

trm (tombotomod), Sunday, 18 January 2026 09:11 (three weeks ago)

Feels like this particular Wikipedia page is s little outdated

trm (tombotomod), Sunday, 18 January 2026 09:13 (three weeks ago)

He never mentioned pitbulls once though, this isn't what people voted for

If you look at this thread it is pretty clear that this is the issue people care about. He didn't mention it before because he is aware of what a hot button issue it is but now he's elected everyone wants to hear what he's going to do about pitbulls.

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Sunday, 18 January 2026 09:18 (three weeks ago)

he’s Muslim! The fact he even gave that dog some scritches is controversial, never mind which variety!!

trm (tombotomod), Sunday, 18 January 2026 09:19 (three weeks ago)

(many Muslims consider dogs ritually unclean, that’s why I posted the wiki stuff above - just where my brain went, sorry)

trm (tombotomod), Sunday, 18 January 2026 09:21 (three weeks ago)

It really depends on how secular the Muslim: Ilhan Omar has a golden retriever; Turkish people don’t see dogs as a problem. I don’t know how things shake down in the gulf states. My Bangladeshi neighbours by and large avoid dogs, apart from the couple in the next block with a massive Cane Corso. I’m really close to my immediate neighbour and her family, who all know and appreciate Widget’s composure around them, but I don’t expect them to stroke him or allow him to lick (if they get nosed or licked, they just have to wash before prayers like they do anyway). Yas (my neighbour) has said that rabid street dogs are a feature of life in many Muslim majority countries so the wariness is a kind of muscle memory for her. She will cross the road if faced with pit bulls or mastiffs. The kind of person who usually has bull breeds in the UK is white and intimidation of Others is low-key part of the appeal.

Anyway, the bidet Zohran is after is a small spray attachment hooked up to the toilet plumbing which every Muslim I know has at home if they can’t fit an actual separate bidet basin.

einstürzende louboutin (suzy), Sunday, 18 January 2026 10:02 (three weeks ago)

(many Muslims consider dogs ritually unclean, that’s why I posted the wiki stuff above - just where my brain went, sorry)

It’s a population of over a billion people, you know Turkish Muslims drink for example…right? Sadiq Khan owns a dog. Weird generalisation especially about a guy raised in the West who’s the product of a mixed marriage.

colonic interrogation (gyac), Sunday, 18 January 2026 10:22 (three weeks ago)

Islamist organization Hamas which controls the Gaza Strip, banned public dog walking in May 2017, stating it was to "protect our women and children". Hamas officials stated that the ban was in response to a rise in dog walking on the streets which they stated was "against culture and traditions in Gaza".[96]

Allah Akbar #loveTheseGuys

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 18 January 2026 10:44 (three weeks ago)

*cancels Hamas subscription*

calzino, Sunday, 18 January 2026 11:35 (three weeks ago)

what's hamas's stance on dogs in pubs?

LocalGarda, Sunday, 18 January 2026 11:39 (three weeks ago)

Dogs are allowed in pubs, humans aren't.

Wearing red lipstick and maintaining a neutral expression (Tom D.), Sunday, 18 January 2026 11:50 (three weeks ago)

the Muslim guy who lives across the road from me doesn't have any dogs but he does have 3 goats.

calzino, Sunday, 18 January 2026 12:14 (three weeks ago)

As the saying goes, facts don't care about your feelings

you can fuck off too.

anyone with a fucking brain cell knows that dogs are individuals, and pit bull type dogs can either be trained vicious killers or trained couch potatoes who just want to cuddle and get pets.

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Sunday, 18 January 2026 13:33 (three weeks ago)

Dogs must be trained to be good is it? You are like a Democrat talking about ICE or cops getting better training. Anything to ignore multiple instances of people linking or having personal experiences of dogs killing, biting and harrassing people.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 18 January 2026 13:41 (three weeks ago)

Just another day of lively debate in our modern Acropolis, folks.

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Sunday, 18 January 2026 14:01 (three weeks ago)

I really liked the “species traitor” line, as though dogs in the aggregate don’t have an infinitely better track record of generally being more trustworthy and better company than humans.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Sunday, 18 January 2026 14:16 (three weeks ago)

Dogs must be trained to be good is it? You are like a Democrat talking about ICE or cops getting better training. Anything to ignore multiple instances of people linking or having personal experiences of dogs killing, biting and harrassing people.

you are thick as fuck

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Sunday, 18 January 2026 14:21 (three weeks ago)

How does Zohran feel about letting cats outside?

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 18 January 2026 14:21 (three weeks ago)

xp rather be thick than a Democrat

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 18 January 2026 14:23 (three weeks ago)

again, fuck off you hateful troll

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Sunday, 18 January 2026 14:28 (three weeks ago)

*writer me and my friends know to be an abuser* don't link them in this msg board

*dogs that kill children* train them

Really, that's the level of brain rot here. You are lost, my friend.

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 18 January 2026 14:32 (three weeks ago)

I really liked the “species traitor” line, as though dogs in the aggregate don’t have an infinitely better track record of generally being more trustworthy and better company than humans.

― Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Sunday, 18 January 2026 bookmarkflaglink

And here's the cavalry coming with pearls of wisdom (kindergarten level misanthropy).

Maybe human beings don't like your company?

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 18 January 2026 14:36 (three weeks ago)

While in the meantime, you are comparing dogs to ICE and cops while I am a Democrat politician, which is objectively totally fucking nuts.

You do realize that people are *made* into the sort of people that become ICE and cops, right? They are *trained* and taught to view and act toward the world in a certain way.

The same goes for dogs.

Just as if you treat people like criminals or adversaries , they become adversaries or criminals, the same goes for dogs.

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Sunday, 18 January 2026 14:40 (three weeks ago)

This is legit like first day dog training stuff. It’s largely borne out in the world.

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Sunday, 18 January 2026 14:43 (three weeks ago)

if a pit bull posts to ilx, i am going to fp them to keep our community safe

c u (crüt), Sunday, 18 January 2026 14:45 (three weeks ago)

It’s very funny. Centuries of humans breeding dogs to do what we want them to do, and selecting for specific traits every time to that end. We all understand that brachycephalic dogs look that way because of breeding, we understand that border collies will herd pretty much anything, including their human families because that’s how we bred them selectively. If I saw a small terrier dispatch a rat quickly, that’s what we bred them to do!

For whatever reason, it’s only these dogs that we’re supposed to pretend that training can overcome generations of breeding them to be perfect fighting dogs. But then I spent some of my childhood watching my uncle’s farm dogs do what they were bred to do and understanding that there’s a reason certain working dog breeds are the best at what they do. It’s intrinsic to them. Most other dogs if they escape your garden it’s an annoyance and worry to you, the owner, but it’s not actually a safety threat to other people. Of course, you can safely have a seizure around most other dog breeds too, without worrying they’re going to maul or maim you because the prey drive suddenly kicked in. A dog that is not safe around children, or smaller animals, or that has to be subject to perfect behaviour by the owner and seemingly endless resources on training isn’t a dog anyone can, or should be, encouraged to own. And yet!

There are so many stories like these, and they are time and time again disproportionately these dogs.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0w4q6d4056o

colonic interrogation (gyac), Sunday, 18 January 2026 15:33 (three weeks ago)

blah blah blah you still have no clue as to what you’re speaking of, and ignore the overwhelming evidence that such dogs are excellent family dogs to hundreds of thousands of people all over the world. it’s pure predestination bullshit.

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Sunday, 18 January 2026 15:46 (three weeks ago)

Pit bulls are clearly the cops of the canine world.

And table is it's defender.

"Just a few bad apples".

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 18 January 2026 15:51 (three weeks ago)

When I started teaching 25 decades ago, I graded a dozen persuasive essays for a composition course defending pitbulls (they're illegal in Miami-Dade County). A student said her dog's attacking an aunt validated the dog's existence: loyal, brave, etc.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 18 January 2026 15:54 (three weeks ago)

Probably need to know more about this aunt.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 18 January 2026 15:56 (three weeks ago)

What about the families whose children, pets, and adults they’ve maimed or killed? Aggregate data on dog bites and attacks supports my argument, btw.

There was this very recent incident where numerous adults, including a bodybuilder (!) were required to wrestle a pitbull off a one year old baby that it was maiming.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/video-police-refuse-to-charge-owner-after-pitbull-attacks-1-year-old-baby-in-new-york-9923512/

But sure, you can train that out of them. Wouldn’t hurt a fly.

colonic interrogation (gyac), Sunday, 18 January 2026 15:58 (three weeks ago)

xp Maybe her crime was having an epileptic fit?

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 18 January 2026 16:00 (three weeks ago)

i like cats

Gentler Death Squads Please (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 18 January 2026 16:03 (three weeks ago)

Every single one of you vilifying these breeds is going against veterinary and animal behaviorist evidence, no more use arguing with fools.

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Sunday, 18 January 2026 16:04 (three weeks ago)

Table, do you own one or know someone who does?

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 18 January 2026 16:10 (three weeks ago)

I got mildly attacked by a friend's dog yesterday — I think was after the goose down in my jacket, got a small rip — but it wasn't a pitbull so I guess not useful data.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 18 January 2026 16:15 (three weeks ago)

I have had an American Staffordshire Terrier for 11+ years, she loves playing fetch, cuddling, and begging for table scraps. She sleeps in our bed with us, and has for most of her life.

I have no illusions that these dogs can be trained to be mean as hell— there are junkyard pits around Philly that are notoriously awful, and a dog fighting ring dumped a bunch of pits in the large local woodland area and they have been running wild.

But every pit I have known with a dedicated, caring human behind it has been sweet, empathetic, beyond wonderful with kids, and so on.

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Sunday, 18 January 2026 16:15 (three weeks ago)

Our girl loves kids. My friends with toddlers have joked about inviting me over with her just so they don’t have to vacuum up Cheerios and cracker bits— she’s a little vacuum in and of herself.

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Sunday, 18 January 2026 16:17 (three weeks ago)

She also loves other dogs, has never been in a fight.

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Sunday, 18 January 2026 16:20 (three weeks ago)

This might be a US/UK divide because US pit bull owners aren’t living as cheek by jowl as people in the UK, and the dogs aren’t ‘status’ in the way they are here. A wide variety of Americans get trad pit bulls/Staffy crosses from rescues; British people either get a rescue Staffy or will spend £3K+ on a XL Bully puppy bred to order from strong, mean dogs. People keep them in flats, don’t socialise them with other people or dogs, or exercise them enough. UK fears over the XL Bully are completely justified, and I would’ve said so before W and I got attacked. To get a dog that stays indoors 23 hours a day, in a flat in a city, that will have to be muzzled and led outdoors at odd hours, and can never run free in big parks, is lacking foresight in so many ways that wind up indistinguishable from animal cruelty. Post the XL ban, people who have not yet neutered their XLs cross them with smaller dogs or Frenchies (do not get me started on French bulldogs) to skirt around the ban. These are pocket bullies. The dogs’ jaws are no less powerful and their temperaments no less aggressive than the XL.

einstürzende louboutin (suzy), Sunday, 18 January 2026 16:42 (three weeks ago)

I was going to say, the semiotic associations with pits in the UK and the US are very different, and justifiably so.

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Sunday, 18 January 2026 16:45 (three weeks ago)

i recall some fearmongering about pitbulls in the u.s. in the '80s and '90s, but i haven't heard any public debate in a long time. i guess i had the impression that it was a moral panic that we had collectively moved past. to be sure, it is not a breed for everyone, but i have a friend who had a pitbull for many years whom she loved. honestly kind of strange to see the vociferous anti-pitbull attitudes on this thread.

jaymc, Sunday, 18 January 2026 17:52 (three weeks ago)

To get a dog that stays indoors 23 hours a day, in a flat in a city, that will have to be muzzled and led outdoors at odd hours, and can never run free in big parks, is lacking foresight in so many ways that wind up indistinguishable from animal cruelty.

Agree 100%. Which goes back to my earlier point about dogs being awesome and people being pieces of shit.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Sunday, 18 January 2026 17:55 (three weeks ago)

Mamdani's leadership vacuum is what is leading to all this unecessary conflict. And people pretend it's not what he was voted in for.

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Sunday, 18 January 2026 18:17 (three weeks ago)

Hahahaha

einstürzende louboutin (suzy), Sunday, 18 January 2026 18:19 (three weeks ago)

This thread has entered Clusterfuck hall of fame status.

This Thrilling Saga is the Top Show on Netflix Right Now (President Keyes), Sunday, 18 January 2026 18:24 (three weeks ago)

I’m still sad that gyac thinks I don’t know how many Muslims exist.

trm (tombotomod), Sunday, 18 January 2026 18:26 (three weeks ago)

i recall some fearmongering about pitbulls in the u.s. in the '80s and '90s, but i haven't heard any public debate in a long time. i guess i had the impression that it was a moral panic that we had collectively moved past. to be sure, it is not a breed for everyone, but i have a friend who had a pitbull for many years whom she loved. honestly kind of strange to see the vociferous anti-pitbull attitudes on this thread.

― jaymc, Sunday, January 18, 2026 12:52 PM (thirty-two minutes ago)

there are breed-specific bans all over the US. conversely there are also laws banning breed-specific legislation all over the US

my clusterfuck contribution: dog breeding and dog breed discourse/culture are both weird af. a friend told me last night that when he was in nyc, he walked his friend's dog in a park and multiple people came up to tell him that the dog was "really on trend" — imho this is a sign of a sick society.

obvious old hat (rob), Sunday, 18 January 2026 18:36 (three weeks ago)

Yeah, when people ask the breeds of my cats I say tabby and fluffy.

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Sunday, 18 January 2026 18:39 (three weeks ago)

I believe the Baha Men would have something to say about this thread.

LocalGarda, Sunday, 18 January 2026 18:43 (three weeks ago)

We could have avoided all this by electing Sliwa and just talking about how nice cats are for years.

uploading this content requires perseveration (sic), Sunday, 18 January 2026 18:46 (three weeks ago)

my clusterfuck contribution: dog breeding and dog breed discourse/culture are both weird af. a friend told me last night that when he was in nyc, he walked his friend's dog in a park and multiple people came up to tell him that the dog was "really on trend" — imho this is a sign of a sick society.

Agreed. I have encountered people asking me if they can use our girl as their bitch, and every time I tell them she is fixed, I get a bit of satisfaction. Just unhinged behavior.

a tv star not a dirty computer man (the table is the table), Sunday, 18 January 2026 18:47 (three weeks ago)

there is a very long prehistoric history of humans keeping dogs (and cats) going back at least 20000 years, probably much much longer. Cats are the Johnny come lately pets of choice from the neolithic revolution. Things that humans still do that predate all recorded history is bound to be weird af.

calzino, Sunday, 18 January 2026 18:51 (three weeks ago)

Cats are tasty with a side of kale slaw.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 18 January 2026 18:54 (three weeks ago)

was reading recently that UK foxes are doing a kind of PR campaign to appeal to humans via dog imitation behaviours, trying to achieve dog status as their natural habitat shrinks.

calzino, Sunday, 18 January 2026 18:59 (three weeks ago)

people looking for purebreds are Nazis

Gentler Death Squads Please (Boring, Maryland), Sunday, 18 January 2026 19:01 (three weeks ago)

Cats are tasty with a side of kale slaw.

This is not a good historical time to pretend to be the Alien Life Form, Alfred.

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Sunday, 18 January 2026 19:07 (three weeks ago)

Kennel club breeders are posh Tory scum. The ones I bought my last dog (RIP Dogsby - still miss you) were utter arseholes. The kind of people who think anyone below middle class should interned in camps.

calzino, Sunday, 18 January 2026 19:08 (three weeks ago)

ALF RED, uh oh

obvious old hat (rob), Sunday, 18 January 2026 19:11 (three weeks ago)

Fusco commented in 2007 that his most enjoyable experience on ALF was sitting in the writers' room and pitching jokes while pushing the limit on what NBC censors would allow. Fusco commented that, "the greatest things were the jokes we couldn't put in the show." Specifically, puns dealing with ALF eating cats and other pets were problematic after NBC reported that a child placed a cat in a microwave and killed it after watching the show.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, 18 January 2026 19:11 (three weeks ago)

well that’s definitely not something any Muslim would do

trm (tombotomod), Sunday, 18 January 2026 19:21 (three weeks ago)

ok what's up with the Muslim posts tombot? if you're trying to be funny idgi

obvious old hat (rob), Sunday, 18 January 2026 19:23 (three weeks ago)

I really respect the Muslim faith, I guess part of me finds it fascinating how differently a majority of them approach cats vs dogs. KL, where I lived for a couple months, is full of little families of feral cats but if you see a dog out and about it’s 100% being walked by a non-Islamic person. I’m glad to see the mayor pet a dog. I don’t care what flavor the dog is.

trm (tombotomod), Sunday, 18 January 2026 19:30 (three weeks ago)

Dogsby is a very Tory sounding name, calz. Your response? 🎤

colonic interrogation (gyac), Sunday, 18 January 2026 19:34 (three weeks ago)

was reading recently that UK foxes are doing a kind of PR campaign to appeal to humans via dog imitation behaviours, trying to achieve dog status as their natural habitat shrinks.

Raccoons are self-domesticating too: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/raccoons-are-showing-early-signs-of-domestication/

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 18 January 2026 19:36 (three weeks ago)

Dogsby is not as good a name as Biscuit or Waffles

trm (tombotomod), Sunday, 18 January 2026 19:37 (three weeks ago)

But I would have loved Dogsby nonetheless

trm (tombotomod), Sunday, 18 January 2026 19:37 (three weeks ago)

The foxes that endlessly stream into our garden and are all over the streets of Tottenham are generally v cute but unless they learn how to fuck quieter that PR campaign is doomed to failure imo

the important "maybe his head just did that" theory (stevie), Sunday, 18 January 2026 19:37 (three weeks ago)

Dogsby was the name of a Cbeebies character from The Shiny Show. So obviously the toryness of it is all the BBCs fault!

calzino, Sunday, 18 January 2026 19:38 (three weeks ago)

Didn't the Russians at one point try to domesticate foxes?

We had this guy sleeping in our front yard last week:

https://ibb.co/67G9nXng

Nothing worse than a fox shrieking at night, though.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 18 January 2026 19:43 (three weeks ago)

OK, so how does imgbb.com work? Not the same way as imgur, with img in brackets?

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 18 January 2026 19:44 (three weeks ago)

My friends had a pit/basset mix named Jamon that they mostly just referred to as “Hamdog.” He passed last year. He was a good boy even though he growled at me a couple times when he was older and I got too close to his bowl.

trm (tombotomod), Sunday, 18 January 2026 19:45 (three weeks ago)

https://i.ibb.co/Zpv4L2LW/PXL-20260111-030703448.jpg

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 18 January 2026 19:45 (three weeks ago)

There's my fox!

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 18 January 2026 19:45 (three weeks ago)

For some reason the phrase "All cats are Muslim" is ensconced in my memory. All Muslims are cat people and all cats are Muslim? It's very endearing.

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Sunday, 18 January 2026 20:29 (three weeks ago)

There’s a whole subreddit about how all cats are Muslim but it’s full of sad pics of starving kitties in Gaza and I just can’t.

trm (tombotomod), Sunday, 18 January 2026 20:46 (three weeks ago)

I know I've mentioned Jessica Pierce's Run, Spot, Run: The Ethics of Keeping Pets around here before. If you have the time to get riled up in this thread, then you have the time to read it and see where your beliefs are afterward

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 18 January 2026 20:48 (three weeks ago)

I've heard people say that cats domesticated themselves. That is, dogs were bred for service and companionship, but cats just learned to hang around, and people were cool with it.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 18 January 2026 20:51 (three weeks ago)

If you meet a carnivore in somebody’s house its ancestors domesticated themselves

trm (tombotomod), Sunday, 18 January 2026 20:56 (three weeks ago)

If you give a mouse a cookie, he's going to ask for a glass of milk.

Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 18 January 2026 20:59 (three weeks ago)

Yeah I think it’s well accepted that cats are less domesticated than dogs, because they have made far fewer physical and behavioral modifications than dogs have. That said, indoor-only cats are forced into a lot of non-wild behaviors. (One reason I’m strongly on the let-them-out side, while recognizing that they obviously have some ecosystem impacts and that e.g. urban apartment living doesn’t lend itself to that.)

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 18 January 2026 21:06 (three weeks ago)

Didn't the Russians at one point try to domesticate foxes?

Succeeded!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domesticated_silver_fox

Bcz foxes aren't pack animals they end up less socially locked in to humans than dogs iirc. Like cat-dogs.

woof, Sunday, 18 January 2026 22:17 (three weeks ago)

This thread has entered Clusterfuck hall of fame status.

Also the Thread Drift Hall of Fame.

more difficult than I look (Aimless), Sunday, 18 January 2026 22:51 (three weeks ago)

^ username

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 18 January 2026 23:03 (three weeks ago)

btw i just read that entire wikipedia page and am happier for it though i now have a long list of questions i want answered

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 18 January 2026 23:03 (three weeks ago)

foxes as cat os in dog hardware seems close

madame defarge supporters club (Hunt3r), Monday, 19 January 2026 00:04 (three weeks ago)

No, that’s whippets (and most other sighthounds). Evidence: mine catches mice.

Neighbours have a Shiba Inu who I finally met tonight, because Widget and this girl HATE one another for no good reason we’ve been keeping distance if we meet with our respective dogs. We discussed the Shiba being so much like a fox, they must have fox DNA.

einstürzende louboutin (suzy), Monday, 19 January 2026 00:15 (three weeks ago)

foxes even have vertical cat pupils. only canines as have em.

madame defarge supporters club (Hunt3r), Monday, 19 January 2026 00:18 (three weeks ago)

https://postimg.cc/MfDVTX8t/e8c1483d

This guy was king of the cemetery at a funeral I went to a few weeks ago. What’s the second thing you notice about him?

einstürzende louboutin (suzy), Monday, 19 January 2026 00:24 (three weeks ago)

watched a movie called “left handed girl” last night and the family had a pet meerkat. all sorts of reasons why that might be a bad idea, one of which comes to pass in the film, but they seem like fun little guys

comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Monday, 19 January 2026 00:25 (three weeks ago)

the Russian fox experiment is so cool, so much to learn from. the change to spots as a response to domestication!

vague facial gymnastics (sleeve), Monday, 19 January 2026 01:07 (three weeks ago)

I feel like we need to get Mamdani's thoughts on foxes now

vague facial gymnastics (sleeve), Monday, 19 January 2026 01:08 (three weeks ago)

https://postimg.cc/MfDVTX8t/e8c1483d🕸

This guy was king of the cemetery at a funeral I went to a few weeks ago. What’s the second thing you notice about him?

that’s a fat fox?

Gentler Death Squads Please (Boring, Maryland), Monday, 19 January 2026 01:26 (three weeks ago)

Urban raccoons are self domesticating by getting cuter and friendlier. Anyway usually hate policing threads but this is one time I’d like to suggest taking it to a dog park.

dan selzer, Monday, 19 January 2026 03:06 (three weeks ago)

yeah this thread has been off-leash for a bit too long

H.P, Monday, 19 January 2026 03:07 (three weeks ago)

When people are eventually really mad at Mamdani we will long for the innocence of this diversion.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Monday, 19 January 2026 03:08 (three weeks ago)

Yeah I feel like this thread is gonna shit on the rug pretty soon

Heez, Monday, 19 January 2026 03:49 (three weeks ago)

I feel like this thread is gonna maul the toddler pretty soon

EsBeeKid (Whiney G. Weingarten), Monday, 19 January 2026 04:22 (three weeks ago)

this thread is gonna get wacked on the nose with the newspaper and show me respect

madame defarge supporters club (Hunt3r), Monday, 19 January 2026 04:26 (three weeks ago)

This thread is going to die on the way back to its home planet

This Thrilling Saga is the Top Show on Netflix Right Now (President Keyes), Monday, 19 January 2026 04:30 (three weeks ago)

We told you when we got you this thread that it would be your responsibility

H.P, Monday, 19 January 2026 04:33 (three weeks ago)

I used to work this Marsden psycho of the moors guy who was known as Dangerous Dave. He was a dry-stone waller/generalist builder by trade but also had lots of guns and in his own words "he liked to go out at night and kill things". He kept a photographic record of everything he shot and he told me he'd a get a payment from the National Trust for every confirmed fox he killed on their turf.

He showed me pic of an unbelievably gigantic fox he had shot. For scale he had draped the creature's corpse over the bonnet of his land rover and it was indeed unbelievably fucking huge, it was gigantic even by Alsatian proportions. He also went deer hunting in Scotland and showed me his *hilarious* Christmas meme with him a pic of him psychotically grinning holding a severed Deer's head with a caption about how Santa might be running later than usual tonight. #onethread

calzino, Monday, 19 January 2026 05:29 (three weeks ago)

Nice.

A few days after Zohran announced the Rental Ripoff hearings, they repainted my whole building lmfao

— Cait🧃 (@caitcamelia) January 16, 2026

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 20 January 2026 10:02 (three weeks ago)

But will he condemn/praise Hamas?

anvil, Tuesday, 20 January 2026 10:21 (three weeks ago)

This thread has veered strangely offtopic now.

a ZX spectrum is haunting Europe (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 20 January 2026 10:22 (three weeks ago)

watched a movie called “left handed girl” last night and the family had a pet meerkat. all sorts of reasons why that might be a bad idea, one of which comes to pass in the film, but they seem like fun little guys

― comrade jhøsh (k3vin k.), Monday, 19 January 2026

Siberian foxes and some raccoons being the exception, it’s generally just not a good idea to keep wild animals as domestic pets. We have animals that are domesticated and most wild animals just aren’t suited to that lifestyle.

The raccoons I’ve encountered were anything but cute and friendly. They were massive, aggressive and traveling in a large pack (or whatever the raccoon-appropriate term is). This was right outside my apartment building near Lake Merritt in Oakland.

I met a woman who claimed she saw mountain lions in the Oakland hills but I find that dubious.

recovering internet addict/shitposter (viborg), Tuesday, 20 January 2026 11:00 (three weeks ago)

They were massive, aggressive and traveling in a large pack

Ban raccoons!

They found and shot a mountain lion in the middle of the city here back in 2008. It had reportedly wandered all the way down from South Dakota, 800 miles away.

https://barnraisingmedia.com/mapping-a-mountain-lions-ghost-midwest/

Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 20 January 2026 14:09 (three weeks ago)

I met a woman who claimed she saw mountain lions in the Oakland hills but I find that dubious.

There are mountain lions all over California. Didn't you watch 24?

Mamdani called for the abolition of ICE on The View this morning. He got applause.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 20 January 2026 17:31 (three weeks ago)

Mamdani called for the abolition of ICE on The View this morning. He got applause.

just saw this!! love it

(•̪●) (carne asada), Tuesday, 20 January 2026 20:52 (three weeks ago)

https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3mcumsgqw5k2a

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 January 2026 21:26 (three weeks ago)

I met a woman who claimed she saw mountain lions in the Oakland hills but I find that dubious.

A couple years ago, a young male lion was killed on the Hwy 13 off ramp right near the Mormon Temple

But yes, this thread has gone off the rails

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 20 January 2026 21:51 (three weeks ago)

(^^^^ I see your point, I'm not sure she saw any mountain lions, as they're notoriously elusive.. but that doesn't mean they're not there)

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 20 January 2026 21:54 (three weeks ago)

Mamdani otm

obvious old hat (rob), Tuesday, 20 January 2026 21:56 (three weeks ago)

TS: mountain lion vs pit bull

vague facial gymnastics (sleeve), Tuesday, 20 January 2026 22:12 (three weeks ago)

POX Urban Predators

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Tuesday, 20 January 2026 22:14 (three weeks ago)

Claws Vs. Flaws: How Mamdani is once again failing New York's raccoons

Andy the Grasshopper, Tuesday, 20 January 2026 22:18 (three weeks ago)

POX Urban Predators

We have grizzly bears where I live. A camper got eaten within the last three years, while I've been living here.

Instead of create and send out, it pull back and consume (unperson), Tuesday, 20 January 2026 23:23 (three weeks ago)

1. ICE
2. Grizzlies

Heez, Tuesday, 20 January 2026 23:28 (three weeks ago)

I met a woman who claimed she saw mountain lions in the Oakland hills but I find that dubious.

I saw a mountain lion in the Marin Headlands just across the GG Bridge from SF when I was biking on trails there with a friend some years ago. And another friend saw one out his bedroom window waking up one morning in the Sonoma hills. They are present in the Bay Area

Dan S, Tuesday, 20 January 2026 23:40 (three weeks ago)

I met a woman who claimed she saw mountain lions in the Oakland hills but I find that dubious.

Best line from Talking Heads' Fear of Music.

The Luda of Suburbia (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 20 January 2026 23:45 (three weeks ago)

https://kgnu.org/a-cpw-spokesperson-and-an-animal-rights-activist-weigh-in-on-recent-fatal-mountain-lion-attack/

new yrs day person killing near boulder by puma

madame defarge supporters club (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 20 January 2026 23:55 (three weeks ago)

What Are Zohran Mamdani's Claws?

c u (crüt), Wednesday, 21 January 2026 00:32 (three weeks ago)

I met a woman who claimed she saw mountain lions in the Oakland hills, and her hair was perfect.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 21 January 2026 00:45 (three weeks ago)

thinking back on the controversy over zohran stopping chi osse from challenging hakeem jefferies, and how given the current battle in congress over ICE, its funding etc that the idea of primarying jefferies, overthrowing the dem leadership and all that feels as pertinent as ever. on the other hand, because chi clearly does not see zohran as an ally anymore and probably personally dislikes him, he has emerged as the most public thorn in his side from the local government's left. it hasn't yet bubbled up in a big way but last week chi was on social media calling out zohran's office for its response to the snowstorm (there has been an unfixed power outage in chi's district that has left people incl seniors w/o heat). chi later publicly followed up to say that the mayor's office was helpful to his request, but, w/o checking on all of our local politicians, i'd have to imagine he was the elected official on the left being the loudest about the fact that the city government's handling of the snowstorm has been pretty poor (prob not that directly attributable to zohran's administration given the timing of everything, nonetheless he is running the city)

originally when this topic came up i made the point that as a resident of the city and of chi's district i was more excited by the idea of what chi and zohran could achieve together than i was by chi challenging jefferies; i think it seems clear now that chi and zohran probably won't be working together all that much. however it means that chi may actually be in an even more crucial position, which is being a local elected official with a visible social media platform and, through the help of zohran himself, real credibility among zohran's constituency, who seems intent, whether it's bcuz of personal animus or otherwise, on holding zohran accountable from the DSA wing of the city

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Monday, 2 February 2026 18:09 (one week ago)

another unrelated zohran thought i've been having recently is that new york, despite being held up by the GOP broadly as the dirty dangerous liberal hell hole of america, has so far been spared the worst of ICE's brutality. there is evil stuff happening here -- people being disappeared from routine immigration hearings -- and we have had some public altercations between politicians and ICE (incl zohran) etc so i don't want to minimize that reality. however i have found it hard to ignore that we -- so far! -- have not experienced what was rolled out in LA, chicago, and now obviously minneapolis, which is ICE militias patrolling the streets and openly snatching, terrorizing, beating, shooting etc people. i don't exactly know why this is -- perhaps it's trump's own affinity for new york, though he tried to get into a big battle over congestion pricing recently, or maybe it's the fact that schumer and jefferies are from here, and the trump administration feels like they can continue to get those two to bend the knee so long as they don't bring ICE into NYC in that way. maybe they're just scared of the press attention that ICE beating people up in manhattan would receive. but i also do wonder about zohran's own relationship w/ trump, the fact that trump still praises him in the press, and how that all is factoring into this -- i personally think that zohran wants to be close to trump mostly because he is ambitious and likes attention, but there is also a possibility that a side effect of all that is that zohran is helping keep the worst of trump's thuggery at bay, which in this case is sort of a life and death scenario for a lot of people here. if i was going to read all this generously in zohran's favor, anyway, that's how i might look at it. i guess we'll see how it all plays out in the end

slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Monday, 2 February 2026 18:26 (one week ago)

A lot of parallels to SF. A lot of wealthy people here would see the violence and potentially be vulnerable to backlash, both personally and through their businesses. Both have mayors who said nice things to Agent Orange, and it wouldn't surprise me if some other wealthy NYers said some things too, similarly to how Hwang and Benioff politely said "please don't".

octobeard, Monday, 2 February 2026 20:53 (one week ago)

It was my experience prior to the mayoral primaries & elex that commentators (news personalities like Christina Grier & the folks at FAQ NYC and others) were very concerned about whether it would smart for NYC to elect a mayor that would likely be at odds with Trump and bring down extra penalties on NYC either through loss of resources or more directly violent means, or would a progressive mayor who was already in Trump's sights as an opponent just be a liability. I think a lot of people might feel that it's Zohran's JOB to be on Trump's good side as much as possible in various ethical/legal contexts.

Ima Gardener (in orbit), Monday, 2 February 2026 21:04 (one week ago)

gotta remember the only actual smile dipshit has had in the last 15 years is when he was standing next to ZM in the WH (because dipshit loves being around Celebrity) and that ZM apparently texts dipshit often, and who doesn't like to be texted by famous people

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Monday, 2 February 2026 21:20 (one week ago)

There are multiple incentives for Mamdani to play nice where he can, both in terms of protecting the city and advancing his own prospects. It's hard to believe that won't be tested — maybe Trump will go to war with him over a wealth tax, e.g. Or maybe more directly with an ICE invasion, although it seems like a lot of Trump's New York friends might not want marauding agents rounding up their nannies or setting off tear gas downtown.

paper plans (tipsy mothra), Tuesday, 3 February 2026 02:35 (one week ago)

https://futurism.com/future-society/mamdani-nyc-delivery-apps

By contrast our PM has run over a delivery driver #ukpol

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 3 February 2026 16:03 (one week ago)


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