Krusty lighting his cigar with a string of pearls - The clowns battering their way into Homer's daydreams - burning colleagues as clowns - mashed potatoes in the shape of the big top - "Yes, Homey? (do doo doodle-oo)" - "he invented the pie-fight, the pratfall, and the seltzer bottle, as far as I know" - "go forth and do all the other piddling little crap I wouldn't touch with a ten-foot pole" - Homer killing the Krusty Burglar - Homer threatening Dick Cavett - Krusty rebuilt as Krusty - Ned saved by a bible and a piece of The True Cross - "The same Benedict Arnold who plotted to surrender West Point to the hated British?" - The love theme from the Godfather - "You've made an old Italian stereotype very happy"
My friends, this is hit after hit after hit. There is not an inch of fat on this episode. It is time for us to proclaim it the best, and move on.
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 13 January 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)
― naked as sin (naked as sin), Monday, 13 January 2003 18:29 (twenty-two years ago)
in terms of humor density, this episode is the king
― dave k, Monday, 13 January 2003 18:52 (twenty-two years ago)
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Monday, 13 January 2003 18:57 (twenty-two years ago)
― Vinnie (vprabhu), Monday, 13 January 2003 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ed (dali), Monday, 13 January 2003 19:13 (twenty-two years ago)
― Jamie Thompson (Jamie), Monday, 13 January 2003 19:17 (twenty-two years ago)
― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 13 January 2003 19:50 (twenty-two years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 13 January 2003 19:58 (twenty-two years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 13 January 2003 20:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 00:57 (twenty-two years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 01:23 (twenty-two years ago)
― Michael Bourke, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 08:50 (twenty-two years ago)
― robster (robster), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 09:18 (twenty-two years ago)
― Fuzzy (Fuzzy), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 10:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tag, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 11:06 (twenty-two years ago)
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 11:14 (twenty-two years ago)
― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 11:17 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 11:21 (twenty-two years ago)
― chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 11:26 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 11:31 (twenty-two years ago)
"We take the best part of the chicken, the neck, and marinade it in secret hobo spices".
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 11:32 (twenty-two years ago)
― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 12:13 (twenty-two years ago)
andy
― koogs, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 13:01 (twenty-two years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 14:16 (twenty-two years ago)
Secondly when homer wants a hotdog and the vendor keeps turning up - Marge asks if he is following homer, "lady he's putting my kids through college"
― james (james), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 14:34 (twenty-two years ago)
whats that about?
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 14:37 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 14:50 (twenty-two years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 14:54 (twenty-two years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 14:55 (twenty-two years ago)
"that's Mount Carlmore, I carved it one summers day...."
"what does Carl think"
"we don't like to talk about it".
― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 14:57 (twenty-two years ago)
― Andrew Thames (Andrew Thames), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 14:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― nellskies (minna), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 16:56 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 16:58 (twenty-two years ago)
BART: We were just planning the annual father/son raft race.HOMER: Heh. You don't have a son.
― nabisco (nabisco), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 17:16 (twenty-two years ago)
― dave k, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)
(see also "Theme... from a Summer place, it's the Theme, from a Summer Place, the Theme, from a Summer, Place"
― Mark C (Mark C), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 17:19 (twenty-two years ago)
either that or the idea of getting a new jazz man from the pound
great work nellskies :)
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 17:19 (twenty-two years ago)
and the lighters go up
very funny
― chris (chris), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 17:22 (twenty-two years ago)
Skull 'n' Bones is a s00per seKrut society at Yale. They have some sort of s00per seKrut handshake. When Burns shook Laddy's hand, the dog must have performed it.
George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush were both members.
― fletrejet, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 17:25 (twenty-two years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 17:29 (twenty-two years ago)
― fletrejet, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 17:34 (twenty-two years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 17:57 (twenty-two years ago)
― DV (dirtyvicar), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 18:01 (twenty-two years ago)
― J0hn Darn13ll3 (J0hn Darn13ll3), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 18:27 (twenty-two years ago)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 18:30 (twenty-two years ago)
― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 18:31 (twenty-two years ago)
I don't know if you are in the UK or US, but in the US there is a certain system to the syndication of episodes which results in long periods of time where they show only recent (= the last 3-4 seasons') episodes over and over and over. Therefore you hardly ever see older episodes in syndication. I just download episodes from kazaa now to get my Simpson's fix.
― fletrejet, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 18:59 (twenty-two years ago)
fletrejet - every time i download an episode from KaZaa i notice bits missing and/or cut out - beware!
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 19:09 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 19:10 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 19:30 (twenty-two years ago)
but come on people, homie the clown has the line: "they are airholes - they make the car go faster"
― dave k, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 19:41 (twenty-two years ago)
Sadly, in the US the syndicated episodes have bits cut out of them to allow more time for commercials. Most of files on kazaa were capped from US syndication episodes. These cuts can be very stupid sometimes, i.e. leaving in the setup for a joke but cutting out the punchline.
>I loved this episode, but I never NEVER did understand the rakes. Is >it an allusion to something else? I always just considered it a way to fill up another 10 seconds.
The rake scene was always controversial. It wasn't a refernce to anything, the point being that Bob is such a loser, he has to put up with slapstick comedy not only in his role on TV, but in real life as well. Back in the days of alt.tv.simpsons, "rake scene" was a term for a pointless time-filling bit that was likely to be cut in syndication.
― fletrejet, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 19:42 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 20:05 (twenty-two years ago)
― Mark C (Mark C), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 20:17 (twenty-two years ago)
― J0hn Darn13ll3 (J0hn Darn13ll3), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 20:20 (twenty-two years ago)
and for gods sake, why didnt they ever show The Critic in the UK? i wanna see
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 20:32 (twenty-two years ago)
― Curtis Stephens, Tuesday, 14 January 2003 20:41 (twenty-two years ago)
You only move twice (CLASSIC if only for the sugar/cream scene, plus Hank Scorpion = best one off character evah)Selma's Choice (Surly = best one off character evah)Krusty gets Kancelled (Oh no! Bette Midler!)Thirty minutes over Tokyo (Wink: "In America, you reward knowledge. In Japan, we punish ignorance." Homer: "Ignor-what?"; Wink: "You will now have to answer one question about Japan." Homer: "Is the answer Japan?" Wink: "Actually, it is.")And Maggie Makes Three (very moving, AND funny)Homer vs. Lisa and the 8th CommandmentColonel Homer (Lurlene: "You're as smart as you are handsome!" Homer [angrily]: "Hey! Oh wait, you meant that as a compliment")Marge vs. the MonorailWhacking Day (look for Larry White's cameo!)Duffless (Homer gives up drinking?!?)Rosebud (yes, the Bobo one)Cape Feare (Yes, the rake scene, which *was* simply to fill time)Sweet Seymour Skinner's Baadassss Song (one of the few sensitive Bart eps)Lost Our Lisa (Lisa tries to go to museum by herself)Trilogy of Error (the Lola Rennt parody, mit Linguo!)The Wizard of Evergreen Terrace (Homer outdoes Edison)They Saved Lisa's Brain (with MENSA/Stephen Hawking)The FrontLisa The GreekThe Simpsons 138th Episode Spectacular (my cousin Matt Groening in BOOTLEGGER SHOCKA)Lisa's Substitute (really, is there any doubt that this ep is the best?)
― Leee (Leee), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 22:07 (twenty-two years ago)
And yes, I <3 Lisa. Here are some more words that rhyme with Cory...
― Leee (Leee), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 22:08 (twenty-two years ago)
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 22:17 (twenty-two years ago)
― jm (jtm), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 22:27 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 22:33 (twenty-two years ago)
Mom and Pop Art (Picasso in his crank period!)Who Shot Mr. Burns? Part OneGrampa vs. Sexual InadequacySideshow Bob Roberts ("He's even better!" "I like the human touch.")Marge in ChainsBoy-Scoutz N the HoodThe Last Temptation of Homer (Zutroy!)$pringfield (Or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Legalized Gambling)Homer's Barbershop Quartet (Homer hands bellhop an awards statuette. Bellhop: "Gee, thanks! Oh wait, it's a Grammy..." [tosses it over balcolny] voice: "Hey, don't throw your trash down here!")This Little WiggyMarge gets a job (Tibor!)Brother, Can You Spare Two Dimes? ("It's drinking the water!" Plus, Homer sperm!)Brother from the same planet ("Story. Gory. Allegory. Montessori.")Homer's Triple BypassMr. Plow ("Do you come with the car?")Itchy & Scratchy: The MovieA streetcar named MargeKamp KrustyLast exit to SpringfieldDog of DeathRadio Bart (I nearly cried when I first saw this)Like Father, Like ClownBart the Murderer (Bart: "Did you kill my principle?" Fat Tony: "Uh, Chinese guy with a mustache?")Burns Verkaufen der Kraftwerk ("Advantage: Burns!" and the Land of Chocolate!)Homer AloneThree Men and a Comic Book ("Hot enough for ya?")Bart's Inner Child (Decadent!)Homer at BatLisa's WeddingLemon of Troy ("For it was haunted. Now, drink your turnip juice.")Bart Sells his Soul (Metaphysics!)The Two Mrs. Nahasapeemapetilons (Manjula is HOTT)King of the Hill ("Hey, Deng Xiao Ping died.")The City of New York vs. Homer SimpsonEight Misbehavin' ("Please, call me Larry.")Pygmoelian ("Duffman, sez A LOT of things. OH YEAH.")Hello Gutter, Hello FadderBart to the FutureBehind the LaughterA Tale of Two Springfields ("Oh yeah? Bart, c'mere a minute!")HOMRSkinner's Sense of Snow ("I grow weary of your suggestive dancing. Bring the ranch dressing hose!")Tales from the Public Domain ("I bagged a little girl! I'm the greatest Scotsman in history!" plus Trojan War and Hamlet!)
Last Tapdance in Springfield ("You are now carrying my child.")Lisa's SaxLisa's Pony Mr. Lisa Goes to Washington Lisa the Beauty Queen
"'The Simpsons' must have heart to be good" is the most irritating party line EVER.
But when the mood is nihilistic, the show is simply cruel.
― Leee (Leee), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 22:34 (twenty-two years ago)
Meh. hardly classics. i could go on...
― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 22:37 (twenty-two years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 22:43 (twenty-two years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 23:46 (twenty-two years ago)
"Yeah, that Timmy is a real hero!" "How do you mean, Dad?" "Well, he fell down a well, and...can't...get out.""How's that make him a hero?""Well it's more than YOU did!"
― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 23:51 (twenty-two years ago)
Yes, and cruelty is never funny.
― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 14 January 2003 23:53 (twenty-two years ago)
That's because, thank god, it gets cut during syndication. You've seen it once, that's enough.
The thing about the rampant cynicism in later Simpsons is that while the jokes evoke laughter at first, they don't hold up upon repeated viewings, an important factor considering its syndication. The worst is when the jokes get old as they're being told. After the humor's worn off, all you have left is the maliciousness for the sake of being malicious. A viewer will close him/herself off to avoid identifying closely with the victim and perpetrator. You have the exact opposite when there's warmth in the telling.
― Leee (Leee), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 01:54 (twenty-two years ago)
― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 02:05 (twenty-two years ago)
― Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 02:15 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 02:38 (twenty-two years ago)
― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 02:41 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 02:43 (twenty-two years ago)
― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 02:46 (twenty-two years ago)
(Not being mean to Nicole, who I heart, as should we all, etc.)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 02:50 (twenty-two years ago)
You just say that because you know he scares you and you can't admit to yourself.
Or maybe I should have said I will come after you with a tube of Kim's silver purple lipstick.
― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 02:55 (twenty-two years ago)
http://zhiphop.com/eminem/PHOTOMAIN.jpg
"No, Marc Almond ripped ME off, not the other way around! I'm gonna cry if you say otherwise!"
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 02:58 (twenty-two years ago)
― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 03:02 (twenty-two years ago)
Nars?
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 03:04 (twenty-two years ago)
― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 03:04 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 03:06 (twenty-two years ago)
― Nicole (Nicole), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 03:09 (twenty-two years ago)
http://welcome.to/nars
HVA SKJER MED NARS i 2003?
Det ser mørkt ut for NARS serien i fremtiden. Hva kommer egentlig dette av?
- Er det uviklingen av bilene?- Er det for dårlig markedsføring?- Er det for få folk som er interssert i Asfalt Racing?
Hva mener du? Skriv din mening i debatt forumet vårt! KLIKK HER!! NYHETER: - Total Poengstillingen 2002- NC RACING PÅ VÅLERBANEN - Total Poengstillingen- Referat fra Rudskogen 8-9 Juni 2002- GRENLAND Ring AVLYST!!!- NARS total resultater 2001 - NC cup 2002
Total Poengstillingen 2002
All is clear. ;-)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 03:10 (twenty-two years ago)
http://www.geo.uu.nl/~nars/gifs/nars-allnew.gif
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 03:13 (twenty-two years ago)
Apropos of nothing I feel compelled to quote a song that hasn't heretofore been mentioned:
Some folks'll never eat a skunk,but then again some folk'll...like Cletus,the Slack-Jawed Yokel!
― J0hn Darn13ll3 (J0hn Darn13ll3), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 03:14 (twenty-two years ago)
http://www.railshippers.com/images/header_statement.gif
almost gleefully misanthropic
Just like me after a full workday. Thank you, good night, I'm out of here! Actually I really should get some dinner...
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 03:15 (twenty-two years ago)
― Leee (Leee), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 22:51 (twenty-two years ago)
― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Wednesday, 15 January 2003 22:54 (twenty-two years ago)
― rainy (rainy), Thursday, 16 January 2003 01:10 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 16 January 2003 02:20 (twenty-two years ago)
― That Girl (thatgirl), Thursday, 16 January 2003 02:28 (twenty-two years ago)
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 16 January 2003 11:50 (twenty-two years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 16 January 2003 12:19 (twenty-two years ago)
― SittingPretty (sittingpretty), Thursday, 16 January 2003 12:37 (twenty-two years ago)
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Monday, 18 August 2003 11:50 (twenty-two years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Monday, 18 August 2003 11:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Monday, 18 August 2003 12:29 (twenty-two years ago)
― Leee (Leee), Monday, 18 August 2003 21:23 (twenty-two years ago)
The pointless busywork! Miss hoover demonstrating the safety scissors' bluntness on her arm! "It says be, and there's a picture of a bee on it!"Ralph walking Lisa home from school: "so, do you like...stuff?" and later, "the doctor said i wouldn't get so many nosebleeds if i kept my finger out of there"!KBBL accidentally playing 'Monster Mash' several times!Krusty's live spectacular - "and now my favourite part of the evening, talk to the audience??! *groan, mumble* this bit always kills me"
damn i miss the daily repeats. k-lassic.
― petra jane (petra jane), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:07 (twenty-two years ago)
― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 19 August 2003 12:18 (twenty-two years ago)
krusty gets cancelled. all the way.
― piscesboy, Thursday, 6 January 2005 19:26 (twenty years ago)
It's very odd.
― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 6 January 2005 19:51 (twenty years ago)
― Triple Ho, Thursday, 6 January 2005 19:55 (twenty years ago)
Casuistry otm.
― laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Thursday, 6 January 2005 19:59 (twenty years ago)
― Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 6 January 2005 20:07 (twenty years ago)
― Casuistry (Chris P), Thursday, 6 January 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)
― Ken L (Ken L), Thursday, 6 January 2005 20:08 (twenty years ago)
This one contains one of my favoritest lines ever from this show.
HOMER (out walking, not drinking, feeling good, says something about never drinking again)
MOE: Alright boozy, you're late for your drunkening!
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 6 January 2005 20:23 (twenty years ago)
― azob (azob), Thursday, 6 January 2005 20:31 (twenty years ago)
Bart: Wow, my father an astronaut. I feel so full of...what's the opposite of shame?Marge: Pride? Bart: No, not _that_ far from shame.Homer: [quavering] Less shame? Bart: [happy] Yeah...
― cathy berberian (Jody Beth Rosen), Thursday, 6 January 2005 20:35 (twenty years ago)
― sugarpants (sugarpants), Thursday, 6 January 2005 21:02 (twenty years ago)
― Pears can just fuck right off. (kenan), Thursday, 6 January 2005 21:13 (twenty years ago)
― jay blanchard (jay blanchard), Thursday, 6 January 2005 21:17 (twenty years ago)
― peter smith (plsmith), Thursday, 6 January 2005 21:18 (twenty years ago)
http://www.letssingit.com/?http://www.letssingit.com/simpsons-2m77n.html
Lyrics to tons of Simpson songs
― Alan Ralph (azob), Thursday, 6 January 2005 21:22 (twenty years ago)
― nickn (nickn), Thursday, 6 January 2005 21:35 (twenty years ago)
― mark p (Mark P), Thursday, 6 January 2005 22:18 (twenty years ago)
''So it's oppisite land!!! Crooks chase cops, cats have puppies, hot snow falls up'
― azob (azob), Thursday, 6 January 2005 22:33 (twenty years ago)
"Secret hobo spices!"
― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Thursday, 6 January 2005 22:38 (twenty years ago)
xpost
― Stevem On X (blueski), Thursday, 6 January 2005 22:43 (twenty years ago)
― papa november (papa november), Thursday, 6 January 2005 22:58 (twenty years ago)
Cover me, sarge, I'm goin in for Bart's soul!If the ayatollah can't have it, no one can!
― Zack Richardson (teenagequiet), Thursday, 6 January 2005 23:04 (twenty years ago)
― Stevem On X (blueski), Thursday, 6 January 2005 23:13 (twenty years ago)
― latebloomer (latebloomer), Friday, 7 January 2005 02:30 (twenty years ago)
"Oyster Lucy! You'll love Oyster Lucy! Oh Mister Mooney, I've just got to meet Bob Cummings.... Viiiiiiiiiiv."
― dave225 (Dave225), Friday, 14 January 2005 13:31 (twenty years ago)
― Nellie (nellskies), Friday, 14 January 2005 13:54 (twenty years ago)
― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 14 January 2005 14:17 (twenty years ago)
"You have selected... regicide. If you know the name of the king or queen being murdered, press 1"
― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 14 January 2005 14:18 (twenty years ago)
― dog latin (dog latin), Friday, 14 January 2005 14:26 (twenty years ago)
― Jay-Kid (Jay-Kid), Friday, 14 January 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)
― Nellie (nellskies), Friday, 14 January 2005 14:43 (twenty years ago)
say what now??
I saw the one where Bart and Homer become carnies yesterday - is this a new one?
i think that's from around '99/'00 DL
Nellie OTM
― Stevem On X (blueski), Friday, 14 January 2005 15:09 (twenty years ago)
― Stevem On X (blueski), Friday, 14 January 2005 15:11 (twenty years ago)
trudat. i'll ship it over to you on gmail if you like.
― Jay-Kid (Jay-Kid), Friday, 14 January 2005 15:25 (twenty years ago)
― Lance du Lac, Friday, 14 January 2005 15:26 (twenty years ago)
Hank Scorpio: By the way, Homer, what's your least favorite country, Italy or France? Homer: France. Hank adjusts a giant laserHank Scorpio: Heh heh. Nobody ever says Italy.
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 14 January 2005 15:30 (twenty years ago)
― nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 14 January 2005 15:33 (twenty years ago)
― azob (azob), Friday, 14 January 2005 15:38 (twenty years ago)
"Lousy Beatniks!"
― Lance du Lac, Friday, 14 January 2005 15:48 (twenty years ago)
― Markelby (Mark C), Friday, 14 January 2005 15:53 (twenty years ago)
― Sean Carruthers (SeanC), Friday, 14 January 2005 16:03 (twenty years ago)
― peter smith (plsmith), Friday, 14 January 2005 16:04 (twenty years ago)