"ILX - NICER than ILM". Discuss.

"Martin Skidmore:Urban Fisherman!" Classic!

ile: cesspool of twee time wasting otherwise nice people.

advantage: ile.

i totally broke g.gosset's wookie yesterday :(

there hasn't been much for me next door lately, but it's probably just me. i'm talked-out on music these days. I've been listening to lots of hip hop lately, if anybody gives a fuck.

(hi jess)

No, nobody gives a fuck.

Hi Fritz. Make me a hip hop tape/CD. I give a fuck, you know I do!

hi arthur, mark & dan!

I'm going for korean bar-b-q tonight! table-cooking style. it is the best. (you can't say stuff like that on ILM)

(BULGOKI OWNZ U LAMERZ)

pickled cabbage you ruffian

So I wanna have an LA FAP at one of the Korean barbecue places near downtown. I'll never get it together, though.

is there bulgoki in London?

(Does it bother anyone that I'm essentially talking to myself?)

oh phew, he has an earpiece.

love,fritz

Bye, friendly folk of ILE.

There's another good one closer to the West Side in LA with an outdoor patio and what looks like a bingo board if your table needs attention called Kang Nam -- mmmm now I too am drooling.

Hi Lynskey!

*leans back in large oversized chair, turns up stereo playing LL Cool J's "I'm the type of Guy", wishes he knew where he could get some Kangol and raises champagne glass in your general direction.*

(On second thought, I don't want to.)

Anyway. Funny that LA and FAPs are being mentioned, I will be in LA itself Friday night. Expect some e-mails soon, o LA massive.

Although I'm sure I'd miss ILM if it wasn't there.

I'm not even gonna try and begin to explain what my twisted mind read that sentence as...

I prefer ILE, I only lurk on ILM coz it's too scary to post.

did you two keep arguing abt SY after i left? i couldn't find the thread for some reason. email me the link please if you can (when i left it for the morning there was just another long post, all you said was that you might carry on the fight).

ILM is much much better because there's a lot a lot of nastiness, ppl's 'dark side' are more exposed. you can find out more abt them that way. ILE is good too and I'm glad its around for the times when ILM gets a bit boring.

I don't feel like I'm intruding in a private conversation quite so much on ILM.

i'm far too scared to post on ILM. or even read it.

it can be a good and bracing read, but sometimes (e.g. the meltzer stuff yesterday), having slept on it, you wake up thinking "life's too short for this."

Ha. Yes, I'll shut up again now.

Surely niceness is a bad thing though (I always take it as an insult).

and whats this about a new dopplereffekt record?

he has been quite civil abt it, considering (he's still totally wrong, obv)

that is true.

mark- at least 'the fight' didn't drag on for 50+posts.

(also 50 posts of mine = one of his)

True Marcello, but surely messing around on the internet is what you do when you are avoiding doing the stuff you get paid for?

(Sarah, would never in a million years describe myself as a critic, but I write stuff, often about music, and get paid and I am scared beyond belief of the idea of instant reader reaction. I worry enough as it is, I don't need some troll blasting my confidence when it's shaky enough already. That is, I feel your pain.)

We are all hobbits.

< /thread derailment>

(ducks)

i must admit that i have felt a little weird lately about ILM when i realized that everyone on some ilm thread i was gonna post to wz a 'published music writer' except me!!

*rolls saving throw vs saving throw joke*

(i failed)

I barely wade over there anymore, and when I do, it's scarcely for long. ILE seems so much comfier by comparison.

There is a culture > Music catagory after all.

I wasn't around for any of these golden age things, if such there were.

this shall be my new catchcry!

Just a thought....

hmm? oh i'd forgotten about that. no offence was taken

I was not! all i said was that i didn't like the stooges, mc5 and radiohead...and i still don't.

dammit! the dalek thing. did you fake my email addy on that ILM thread a long time back marcello?

GG= george gosset. an ILM poster. adorno= a philosopher who wrote abt music as well.

;)

As always with Hitchens's work, one gets the strongest possible sense of how much it matters to prove that one is and always has been right: right about which side to be on, right that there are sides and one has to be on one of them; right about which way the world (in the rather narrow, political journalist's sense of that term) is going, right about which policies will work and which regimes are wicked; right about the accuracy of one's facts and one's stories; and right when so many others, especially well-regarded or well-placed others, are demonstrably wrong. There is a palpably macho tone to all of this, as of alpha males competing for dominance and display.

And it's this kind of attitude one occasionally runs into on ILM... but it's not unknown on ILE either.

(actually, I love kittens, and adopted one a few months back)

This kitten is safe.

but this truth has already been establishes before, so many times - funny how this topic itself never dies!

(btw did you go to spring heel jack last night?)

(Alex in NYC posts "Oi Martin Tom isn't a fool!")

"Strangely" when I have biting work deadlines I find it very easy to be lured into pop casuistry on ILM (Madonna/Nico; Shania/T-Shirt) and much easier to avoid ILE. If I get into an argument on this board it can really nag at me.

no. i was tied up with work. did you meet up with andrew? had a good time, yes?

''julio, you are sounding like a dalek.''

heh, I can't help it marcello. ILM is not a graveyard.

...like how when people disagree with you, they try to make cheap comebacks at you, things like that.

like mine yes...but you know I like the cheap and trashy-ness of the place, how a FITE an break out and then there are always good, interesting args as well. I like the contrast.

''i didn't see andrew. i wasn't sure abt the gig either; i got the impression that there were two separate groups of people playing on the stage and i'm not sure whether they really connected. han bennink seemed a bit reined in.''

was it a big band. when i went to canada I did watch the Brotzmann octet and even though i did a thread abt it saying how fucking great it was to FINALLY see brotzmann, I did later reflect that maybe one or two ppl got lost.

''It was a weak metaphor, but it's not like I meant any harm, you know? There's no malice here, this would be a most boring fite.''

OK. its not a FITE.

When people are interested in supporting their assertions with discussion and debate, ILM can get really good, but I just find more of that on ILE.

on ILE you had all of those novelty threads today so there.

I was one of them. but it was during the greenspun days. when i did i still couldn't quite get into it and I only did through the world cup actually.

'it' being ILE

yes, there are plenty of good ppl there. including 'Cozen' who wuvs his improv.

(response to main thread question)

'Savage torpor' is my phrase du jour.

And Lord Cuntos witticisms.

Mod Up-- (*is bloodily killed*)

Big ups to Julio for being the ILM apologist through all this, though -- I feel like we've been forgetting the name of the board lately.

To answer the question: Stuart is better.

Uh, what now? Did I steal someone's lunch money and forget to give it back again?

doh

give it back or I'll play ken vandremark's latest free jazz covers CD!

After saying I generally prefer ILM I've probably posted more on ILE.

ILE has got a little bit, if not nasty, then certainly tetchy.

These 2 events are entirely unconnected, of course.

Oh no! FITE! Oh no!

and so on...

Julio, I'd give it back, if I could ever understand your country's money. But yeah, the threat of Vandermark is enough to make me play nice!

as the yr hots up (musically and weather wise) I think there will be more 'quality' debate.

ILM seems same as ever to me - its okay, but people moaning should do something about it...

if you have to *try* to fit in, i guess it means that you *don't* fit in.

hardly pearls of wisdom, but i guess it's something i should've realised sooner.

live & learn.

And yeah, "Geir, do you like Hank Williams/GWAR/Busted/Modest Mouse?" type threads are annoying; yes yes yes, the guy has an odd system for judging music, get over it already!

Yeah, I'd agree. It seems unfair to blame Geir for all of the silliness on ILM when it's mainly people reacting to him and mocking him that's causing the problems.

"am also aware that it's up to me to do something about it and start some of my own - I just feel that there's no point."

Um, why is there no point? i think most people on ILM are as interested in intelligent discussion as ever, and i think threads on non-Geir topics will be met with the same response as usual. the presence of lots of stupid threads doesn't change that.

Signal-to-noise ratio, Kilian. Or to bring in a third factor, time v signal v noise. Assuming you spend the same time on ILM, more of it is wasted trying to find the good stuff. Plus it's the same for everyone, so less people answer.

I've made threads with 10 or less replies but it won't stop me bcz you never know.

I don't even think it's that so much as people being bored and liking to pick fights and/or whine about how unfairly they're treated.

I hate to break it to you, but G was a constant presence on a.m.a. for years. Get used to it.

damn!

(that was grebt link matt)

From: Tom Ewing (ebros@NOSPAMnetcomuk.co.uk)
Subject: Re: GEIR HONGRO IS THE OFFICIAL KING OF AMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>LONG LIVE THE KING! LONG LIVE THE KING!

Which only reminds me, whatever happened to President Luis?

Cheers,
Tom.
np: Madonna - "Bad Girl"

From: [Donut Bitch]
Subject: Re: GEIR HONGRO IS THE OFFICIAL KING OF AMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Newsgroups: alt.music.alternative
Date: 1998/08/14

ebros@NOSPAMnetcomuk.co.uk (Tom Ewing) wrote:

>On Fri, 14 Aug 1998 22:43:08 +0000, Jim Smith
>wrote:
>>LONG LIVE THE KING! LONG LIVE THE KING!
>Which only reminds me, whatever happened to President Luis?

Hopefully, he's getting his junta ready.

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[Donut Bitch]
KUCI 88.9 fM in Irvine, CA -- Orange County

"I used to think that the brain was the most wonderful organ
in my body. Then I realized who was telling me this."
-- Emo Phillips

ilm improved for a few days, but now has now drowned in a sea of OP10s. i'm partly to blame, but its dire today. it'll pick itself up again soon, i hope.

*collectively, I suppose, as long as this "one thread a day" guideline is in use

Someone look at my Christian Conservative thread on ILE! It's obvious, but I need support!!!

I am writing to you regarding a thread I started on January 21st, 2003. The thread in question is titled "ILX - NICER than ILM". Discuss.". I hereby state my aversion to this particular thread and would ask you to please stop reviving it. It's erroneous title is something of an embarassment, and acts as a constant reminder of the legion of typos, incorrect "facts", and rash judgements I produced during my earlier days on the board. I look forward to resolving this matter swiftly, efficiently, and definitively.

Yours Sincerely,

Nordicskillz

S, i, e, g, b, r, a, n.

well?

obv

the bluegrass thread has seen some recent traffic.

like walking the halls on Death Row, guys flexing gothic tattoos and making come-hither "kissy-kissy" noises as you walk past their cell

liking this

It's still weird to me after all these years people say they're scared of ILM when it was always far friendlier imo.

esp back then

How can people who love only music be friendlier than people who love EVERYTHING?

Because ILE people say they HATE ILM? ;)

ILM was incredibly angry and bitter 10 years ago. This is obvious.

Bit dull now, though

those Sinister people were sure angry and bitter!

Not saying I want the former, obv

historically most of ILX's most-SB'd have been big ILM players

just putting that out there

I do miss the buzz threads around the big buzz threads around newly released albums from back then. They were fun (if thats what you mean by saying ILM has gone dull now, imago). The territorial pissings and high school cafeteria bullshit I can do without though.

I mean it selfishly. None of the threads interest me and when I bump a thread concerning a rad musical project I want to discuss nobody responds

ILM has regressed to its AOR-with-lashings-of-dancepop mean and there ain't a fucken thing I can do now

I mean, it's ALL big buzz threads now about big buzz bands. That's the fucken problem

Anyway.

ILM has regressed to its AOR-with-lashings-of-dancepop mean and there ain't a fucken thing I can do now

OTM

there's nothing wrong with a good dancepop lashing every once in a while

"regressed" lol

at what point was ILM not a board of indie-centric ppl gooning out over pop/r&b/dance music

March 22nd 2009, between 11.43 and 13.58

ILE is way worse than ILM.

I find ILE posters always being happy and gloating when people die absolutely appalling, for one.

RIP dude

this international message board filled with hundreds of different people who don't all share my interests doesn't talk enough about the things i love. who do i complain to?

obama

doesnt help that trash like john lennon was already dead by ilm's inception

i feel just as comfortable telling people to fuck off on both boards, so for me its a draw

http://bamboocorefitness.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Positive-Attitude1.jpg

at what point was ILM not a board of indie-centric ppl gooning out over pop/r&b/dance music

At this point.

everything sucks

There's so much fevered effort by the same 10 people to draw the Venn diagram of their collective opinions that anything else quickly disappears, apart from the odd tiny cluster. Plus most posts by non-regs (non-reg a broader base than ever) are ignored unless they're some weird flaming or dissent.

name naaaaames

So why does the bluegrass thread lie dormant. Good people!
― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, April 15, 2003 5:06 PM (10 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

10 years pass...

well?

― pfunkboy (Algerian Goalkeeper), Thursday, October 10, 2013 10:20 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

awesome

at what point was ILM not a board of indie-centric ppl gooning out over pop/r&b/dance music

― Bitch Fantastic (DJP), Thursday, October 10, 2013 2:00 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

on ilm granted, but weren't music threads on noizeboard a counter to this?

put me on their enemies list, banned me outta sight, now I fight their wars for them

There's so much fevered effort by the same 10 people to draw the Venn diagram of their collective opinions that anything else quickly disappears

true that

There's so much fevered effort by the same 10 people to draw the Venn diagram of their collective opinions that anything else quickly disappears, apart from the odd tiny cluster. Plus most posts by non-regs (non-reg a broader base than ever) are ignored unless they're some weird flaming or dissent.

― Evil Juice Box Man (LocalGarda), Thursday, October 10, 2013 5:37 PM (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think non-regs get recognized when they say interesting (or, yeah, inflammatory) things, most of them are just boring like lists of things in order of preference or some weak tiptoeing quasi-opinion so afraid of being a challop it just floats right by unnoticed. and plenty of regs get ignored all the time (case in point: this post will be ignored)

http://www.virginmedia.com/images/ken_morley-290x400.jpg

I appreciate that discussion / debate / feedback are important to some but a lot of my favorite ilm threads are single posters or a small handful of people throwing stuff that's important to them out into the void. I have three or four niche threads of my own on the go. I don't view the fact that people rarely post in them as a negative and neither should anyone who wants to talk about prog, avant-jazz, psychedelic trance or whatever. There will still be people reading and drawing value from them even if they aren't chipping in.

most of them are just boring like lists of things in order of preference

Yeah you're right, every non-reg just posts boring lists.

It's pretty common for something to be recommended or discussed, and ignored, months before one of the armed guards mentions it and the thread is revived and everyone is like wow.

I see this happen to plenty of people who would have been p heavily involved in ILM a lot not too long ago.

It doesn't drive me mad or anything, it's still a good resource, but it's definitely true that the subjects discussed are narrower than ever.

dude what's wrong with endless polls about the alt canon?

I'm listening to a new Eagles song every day so ILM seems to be working as intended

whilst i am kinda *sigh* about some of the attitudes behind the Eagles thread i think that "working your way thru a band's catalogue one song at a time" listening club thing is a great idea tbh

I'm kinda roffling at the idea ppl are scared of ILM. rather than like you know, bored with it.

lol metal

― "biggest asshole on ILX" (history mayne), Saturday, March 19, 2011

oh shit run for cover yall lg's on the pusillanimously vague rampage again

easy to scorn dissent if yr a pig in shit tbf

id need to see the research on that one tbh

oh shit run for cover yall lg's on the pusillanimously vague rampage again

touchy.

tbf you didn't name names

personally I think the album clubs are cool, someone recommending an interesting record I probably haven't heard and saying why they like it.

whilst i am kinda *sigh* about some of the attitudes behind the Eagles thread i think that "working your way thru a band's catalogue one song at a time" listening club thing is a great idea tbh

was thinking of doing this for scott walker for the longest time, someone who has a zillion songs that could bear a bit of extended examination (not saying this isn't true of the iggles btw)

easy to scorn dissent if yr a pig in shit tbf

― check yr poptimism (imago), Friday, 11 October 2013 09:18 (9 minutes ago) Bookmark

rubbish, never been as peripheral

this was already all discussed at length on the "ilm is sucking" a while ago anyway, nice to see lg went away and really thought about it

ILM has regressed to its AOR-with-lashings-of-dancepop mean and there ain't a fucken thing I can do now

Srsly didn't you get all your tedious Mansun-fan handwringing about this out of your system just last week?

Getting the most out of ILM is pretty much about finding your niche and running with it and/or making one of your own. Whining about New Answers being only 0.25% bilious feedback merchants doesn't get you anywhere.

this was already all discussed at length on the "ilm is sucking" a while ago anyway, nice to see lg went away and really thought about it

i could easily link to specific instances, since that thread. but fine, it's all brilliant and hasn't changed, nobody agrees with my points, and we still live in the best of all possible worlds.

xpost that's the same thing people say about going to mass on a sunday, matt.

More likely to be abused at mass these days.

it's all those stripper vicars

thread delivers

Getting the most out of ILM is pretty much about finding your niche and running with it and/or making one of your own. Whining about New Answers being only 0.25% bilious feedback merchants doesn't get you anywhere.

you just edited that post after posting it! ffs.

and added in another one.

can i be a moderator too? it'd really help me to discuss things the way i want them after i've already posted.

Pretty sure that adding a second post isn't the result of some mysterious mod power.

Fair cop on the edit though.

i could easily link to specific instances, since that thread. but fine, it's all brilliant and hasn't changed, nobody agrees with my points, and we still live in the best of all possible worlds.

― Evil Juice Box Man (LocalGarda), Friday, 11 October 2013 10:04 (14 minutes ago) Bookmark

ugh this is just you forever now isnt it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWjlBKq0EMI

lol i thought it was common knowledge what the source of matt's consistent eloquence was

ugh this is just you forever now isnt it

not sure what you mean by this, tbh.

it's pretty self-evident that if you really ever wanted to get anywhere with your point you would invoke the specifics you have so easily to hand, grimly chuntering on about 'armed guards' or whatever the meaningless fuck instead just serves your own pious torpor

Ah, the ad mansunem

Matt, my issue is that posters with whom I'd once discuss germane topics such as the latest Fall album or whatnot would appear to have disappeared from ILM, no doubt dissuaded by the predominantly one-way traffic of discourse

Or maybe, y'know, having other things going on in their lives.

I also realise there's no accounting for taste and that none of this can be helped. Makes me sad is all.

Haha, the shut-ins have won, huh?

It's not that, it's just that people get other jobs or have kids or whatever other things interfere in their ability to dick around on message boards. It's the main reason why people drift away.

Self-disproving thread IMO.

We're back to the whole balkanisation problem here I think.

Not sure if I agree about Imago's theory that ILM has become standardised or not, but I'm getting less and less from it this year for sure. A lot of it is to do with being busier IRL of course, but this is the first year in about 13 where ILM hasn't contributed to the vast majority of my new music discoveries.

One possible reason is maybe my tastes have started leaning towards the more leftfield/experimental side and I figure I'll find out about all the great pop tracks I missed out on come the EOY countdown (I'm lazy, sue me).

But it's not as though there's a dearth of discussion about any particular style on ILM - it's just squirreled away on rolling threads (which I don't often read because in my mind I'm not invested in any one genre be it psych, indie, dance or hiphop, enough to warrant following a rolling thread). It never occurs to me that I want to hear some new indie music for example, and I can't listen to YouTubes at work so I'm probably missing out a lot on these threads.

Instead I find myself reading ILM for more overarching discussions - things like the Worst Music Writing thread, big polls about bands I like etc..

We've also discussed and dissected nearly every facet of every well-known record over the years, so having a thread about London Calling or Music For A Jilted Generation would be utterly pointless.

Still love it when there's chat surrounding one particular record that lots of people enjoy and want to talk about in depth. I loved the Bish Bosch thread from last year, and there were some real insights into the Knife album earlier this year. More of that please.

Also more of when someone finds a deep cut or lost gem (Nothing But A Heartache, If I Die etc) and everyone goes mad for it. Love that...

But LJ, moaning about ILM not being what you want it to be is a bit like people who say 'Facebook's boring now'. Surely a messageboard is what you make it and you can't just prod people into wanting to talk about the same things you do. If you feel strongly about a recent Fall record, it's going to take a bit of proselytising to get people on board about it, or leave it to a rolling thread.

gonna try and be specific because not enough specifics but please consider this an example that can be applied to any band name/genre:

if people are put off using a messageboard or talking about the Fall on a messageboard because too many people are talking about Miley Cyrus then tough, they're idiots, their loss.

it's pretty self-evident that if you really ever wanted to get anywhere with your point you would invoke the specifics you have so easily to hand, grimly chuntering on about 'armed guards' or whatever the meaningless fuck instead just serves your own pious torpor

actually i wasn't keen to list off instances as, like i said, it doesn't bother me massively, plus i don't want to seem like i actively dislike regulars. it's just true. but since you're being confrontational/insulting about it then fine:

Todd Terje: "Snooze 4 Love" (masterpiece alert)

june 27th. i can see the funny side of it, but it's not as if this kinda thing doesn't happen plenty. it's p much my experience of ilm and i know i'm not the only one.

if people are put off using a messageboard or talking about the Fall on a messageboard because too many people are talking about Miley Cyrus then tough, they're idiots, their loss.

this is just natural behaviour, the board changes and it becomes less worthwhile to pursue discussions of certain topics there. like would you go to a metal board and talk about ballet? or say "just talk about ballet, if you want to, just for the joy of expressing yourself, just for the joy of your love for dance." no, you wouldn't. maybe the board's remit now makes it v difficult to discuss some things, or incredibly unlikely that you get a response. just cos it says "i love music" at the top and used to cover a wider range of stuff doesn't mean we should all honour the fire despite the fact it's not actually a v general board for the most part, anymore.

as i said, it's still better than any other board i can find but it has changed, of course it has. it's not a sin to analyse how/why.

i don't know if it's sensible to talk about the ethos of a board - it is the sum of the people who use it, as you say. and i recognize i'm talking utopian nonsense to think that people will only post about music in an informed, positive way - something about taste makes most of us want to spit bile at some point in time. i agree it's not a sin to analyze why the mood or range of the board(s) change, but that means people avoiding generalizations and avoiding pass-agg moaning about "nobody likes art music any more because they all have shitty baby taste" which some of LJ's posts - and others, i'm sure! - have been skirting round of late.

but i don't wanna prescribe how anybody shd post. i guess i'd say that the style of posts you make will influence the style of replies you receive.

and tbh ILM has never been a Metal board or an Indie board or even a Pop board so i don't think the "posting in the wrong place" thing applies so much?

Ronan you posted the track as part of a mix; I posted it when it was available on its on soundcloud?? Or am I missing what you're complaining about?

lol come on garda your 'armed guards' suffer that episode on a daily basis, is it really them you should be feeling so perpetually rejected and insulted by here

LA INSUPERABLE: LA MAMI DEL SWAGGER :((((((((

avoiding pass-agg moaning about "nobody likes art music any more because they all have shitty baby taste" which some of LJ's posts - and others, i'm sure! - have been skirting round of late.

"skirting around" is a diplomatic way of putting it

noted for my diplomacy

Wasn't there a big artist poll about The Fall earlier this year? I've no idea where the new one is being discussed because I'm not really that interested in them, but they've always seemed like a band with a big ILM following. Actually one of the reasons I like those artist countdown polls is because they allow a really deep dive into a back catalogue and there's always interesting discussion around them. There's a focal point to them as well that reviving a random back catalogue thread doesn't always give you either.

I think I'd rather a 20-post thread about a more obscure artist where every post was incisive and well-considered than a massive 1000-post thread which mostly comprised of people rehashing the same argument over and over and then two posters having a big bunfight in the middle of it.

Also why did no one tell me there was a Todd Terje remix of Bryan Ferry?

i've deliberately avoided that remix cuz i haaaate bryan ferry's voice

I'm not criticising others' tastes! I'm just disappointed that few share mine. It's an absence I mourn, not a presence. Like whatever you want.

ILX is still better than other messageboards, which is why I still try, but it is noticeable that fewer people are responding to my discussions of music which I like now. The most replies I've gotten on ILM recently was when I called the new BoX boring! Negativity might be the way to go, huh

I've been conscious for some time, as a frequent user, that my own tastes are very much shaped by the board in many ways and that we do ignore (for better or worse) huge swathes of music that's out there while maybe championing other things that might pass by the world at large.

Overall this is a good thing, but it's only until I start talking to people IRL about music that I realise I often look at music through the lense of ILM along with all the biases and favouritism that goes with it. Maybe another reason I've found myself looking around for alternative sources of new music lately.

Boards of Xanadu

YAMANTAKA // SONIC TITAN - YT//ST

i've deliberately avoided that remix cuz i haaaate bryan ferry's voice

― lex pretend, Friday, October 11, 2013 12:50 PM (5 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

:-(

People should focus less on what they think ILM owes them and more on what they owe ILM.

In my opinion.

I'm more likely to feel like I'm letting ILM down than the other way round.

ILM doesn't seem very different to me, it's always much the same, perhaps I don't take it seriously enough to notice any great declines and revivals or whatever

Tim, you don't let ILM down - you're one of its more comprehensive & thoughtful posters. You've made ILX the best conceivable board for the music you like. I wish I knew how to do the same - there's room for everyone

the fuck is this doing on ile u cunts

2003 man, a more innocent time

i'm not sure i recall that being the case tbph

if you can recall ILX 2003 you weren't really there

lol come on garda your 'armed guards' suffer that episode on a daily basis, is it really them you should be feeling so perpetually rejected and insulted by here

they suffer posting a track and nobody clicking on it, directly above the exact same track being posted with loads of positive replies? there's a reason it was actually funny, cos it's so ridiculous.

Not answering is one thing, everyone posts about something obscure now and again and nobody replies. (tho tbh I'm not even talking obscure, essentially there's only v muted discussion of plenty of new popular music.)

People should focus less on what they think ILM owes them and more on what they owe ILM.

back and to the left.

Angry early-20-somethings vs ennui-ridden early-30-somethings?

If ILM is failing it's only a reflection of our own failings.

That's why, as penance, some of us are starting deep into the void of Henley..

And I mean that literally... The internet is a series and when you reach the end you're face to face with Don Henley's b-hole

back and to the left.

― Evil Juice Box Man (LocalGarda), Friday, 11 October 2013 14:23 (4 minutes ago) Bookmark

ah now let the man enjoy his mother teresa fetish

If ILM is failing it's only a reflection of our own failings.

back to religious analogies.

be the posts you want to see on the board

bob marley

hen fap

LocalGarda while the eagles are a religion to some Henley is all to human

Srsly tho I've been super into ilm mostly I guess because of the ilx brigade thread which is all the stuff I like now

Hip hop discussion is way down but I think if we're being honest that has as much to do with hip hop as it does ilm

Hip hop discussion on ILX fucking poisoned and ruined by the cunts who dismiss any sonic adventure or tricksiness as 'backpacker', create 'hip hop taken to new levels' strawmen and basically rag all over the underground. That's one area where I'm fully prepared to go to war. LOL DEF JUX AMIRITE HURRR HURHURHUR

feel like that whole thing mainly flourished and died down before you arrived here tbh

Good riddance to ILX's Dawkins, frankly, but the taint remains

dude the description of hip hop discussion you just provided maybe applied in like, 2005?

deej reps for some backpacker stuff. and hell there's a whole thread on Chance the Rapper who isn't exactly a "aw man cuz man we in your face" type rapper.

Yeah, the undie stuff just doesn't get discussed now. I'll check out Chance but I'm not optimistic

these days people can be nice about someone like El-P without a guaranteed barrage of sub-Ethan zings, no?

And stop calling it backpacker ffs

El-P transcends it coz he gets mainstream credit (workin up a rhyme there lol)

I dunno what counts as 'undie' these days. Chance is pretty backpackery, same with Angel Haze.

Bobbins thread is a lot quieter than previous years but that might be down to an ageing group of posters.

feel like this is the "artistry" thread seeping its way over here now

and again, without redigging old territory, a lot of that snark was as much a response to a rhetorical tendency to champion Undie by opposing it to a straw version of "mainstream" Hip Hop as it was a "lol you like the uncool kids' music". a rhetorical tendency once pretty prevalent in Undie lyrics tbf

every one of lj's complaints about ilm reveals only how little he actually reads ilm beyond a cursory skim

i wish more ppl posted on the rolling world thread. i also wish there was a better term for that kind of music than 'world.' honest jon uses the term 'outernational' which is nice.

Angel Haze is backpackery?

I guess we got Death Grips but again that's a hyped one-off (with a fuckload of detractors)

I guess I'd know where to look if threads had more specific titles idk

i missed you louis

ILM loved Kendrick Lamar's joint last year and that wasn't your typical mainstream rap album. granted it was definitely major label and far removed from a Reks album or R.A. the Rugged Man type deal but it wasn't the typical Starlito-esque trap they usually champion.

I mean my rap tastes differ from ILX's in that I listen to more undie than they do, but so does Whiney ffs, and I learned of many good rap artists from here.

way too much negativity on this thread, i'm going back to ilm where people are nice.

Got rid of that DN, think it was prescriptive

maybe you need a break? doesn't seem like anyone can help you here. i don't mean you need a break like *please go away* more like *come back refreshed and willing to start tons of threads on stuff you love even if other people don't care* kinda break.

I've been doing threads about stuff I love and nobody's responding! I will however pledge to NEVER metanarrate ILM as an immanent entity ever again. You have my word. Bookmark this post.

Angel Haze is backpackery?
― emil.y, Friday, October 11, 2013 9:04 AM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Absolutely

Damn. Seems like I go for that stuff even when I have no idea it's that stuff. Or... stuff?

i don't really think angel haze is backpackery

She's not mainstream though and she's pretty indie-friendly.

she has Jansport-y tendencies

she hasn't released her major label debut yet, i think she has obvious mainstream aspirations

backpackery stuff can have mainstream aspirations! Look at Kendrick Lamar! Or old Kanye...or like shitloads of rap

I mean... BLACK EYED PEAS

Eminem did quite well

undie/mainstream lines are much more blurred than they were 10 years ago

just like the lines between r'n'b/chart Hip Hop/Guetta-dance

It's a pretty arbitrary distinction

yeah, most fine genre lines are imo

Genre is pretty dead right now. It's useless taxonomically.

can we please stick that in 24 point at the top of ILM new answers?

the distinction between symphonic black metal and black symphonic metal is an important one

but it's the only important one

Matt please move this POS to ilm please

board distinctions are useless taxonomically right now

board distinctions are useless taxonomically right now

new board description

Genre is pretty dead right now. It's useless taxonomically.

― they all are afflicted with a sickness of existence (Scik Mouthy), Friday, October 11, 2013 10:08 AM (25 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

haha yeah it's not as if a backpack rapper like, say, macklemore has been dominating the charts or anything

lol @ local garda

also before you bitch don't act like me splitting hair abt the definition of backpacker rap w.english ppl isn't exactly what this thread deserves

louis do u even listen to the rap music u are mad at ilm for not discussing enough? like are there 2013 rap albums you like but don't post about? cause there is, like, the highest number of rap posters who love corny underground rap ever atm, would prob be v well-received

yeah i think i'm more just hurt like what am i chopped liver?

i'm listening to the new 80 Blocks from Tiffany's mixtape right now, what do you want from me?

i used to post about all sorts of wonky bands but mostly just sort of got sick of that kind of music fwiw

xpost maybe he wants someone to talk about the White Mandingos with

ILE is nicer than ILM. This is axiomatic.

you might be interested in this lj

Clipping - Midcity (noise rap)

when did jaxon stop posting he was good at it

xp also RUN THE JEWELS

killer mike raps el-p produces "R.A.P. Music"

also you might like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KUoIH4Vr2c

what the hell

ile really is better

I appreciate that discussion / debate / feedback are important to some but a lot of my favorite ilm threads are single posters or a small handful of people throwing stuff that's important to them out into the void. I have three or four niche threads of my own on the go. I don't view the fact that people rarely post in them as a negative and neither should anyone who wants to talk about prog, avant-jazz, psychedelic trance or whatever. There will still be people reading and drawing value from them even if they aren't chipping in.

― Inte Regina Lund eller nån, mitt namn är (ShariVari), Friday, 11 October 2013 00:10 (16 hours ago)

yes, i wish more people felt like this rather than pining for a copernican revolution that would restore their own marginal and esotericfavourites to the centre of the i love music universe

nb some of my best musics are marginal and/or esoteric

but which one is nicer ON THE MIC

you might be interested in this lj

Clipping - Midcity (noise rap)

― Number None, Friday, October 11, 2013 9:00 AM (3 hours ago)

they are awesome -- not sure if lj would be into them, but they are interesting and innovative

Quite seriously, I think fostering good conversation on ILM has always required effort. Time was (adjusts dentures) when you couldn't post a youtube link but had to describe what it was that was getting you excited. It's pretty obvious why this encouraged others to engage with the poster more even if it might take longer to hear the music being discussed.

I don't think it's enough to be like ::posts link::, ::stands back::, ::taps foot::, ::sighs about being unloved::

This is what I meant above about failing ILM - the first (and arguably only) point of engagement you can really do anything about is your own.

it's a dependency of sorts tho - it's not as if the board consists of those who post youtube clips and wait and those who write long thoughtful posts that demand engagement. it's just not that busy outside of the main thoroughfares, and things sink quickly unless they're part of the big news item threads.

god tim why do you keep failing us

if you put a bit more effort in you could be tim a

haha

it's a dependency of sorts tho - it's not as if the board consists of those who post youtube clips and wait and those who write long thoughtful posts that demand engagement.

Agreed. But we're still thinking of this in the frame of "I put X out there and what response do I receive?"

I certainly see some posters who have very high expectations of the response they'll get when they promote X thing they love, but respond to almost everything else with yawns or carefully calibrated backhand compliments.

I've always found ILM more interesting for the chance to engage with others' taste than as a means to get others to engage with mine (it helps if one doesn't define one's taste in opposition to ILM).

Not saying I'm in the minority in that regard - I think it's true for most posters - but it's something that's easy to lose sight of.

you're an inspiration. and brilliant.

✧✧✧@K✧✧.E✧✧ never spent time posting on ILM. He much preferred to spend time on ILE. Case closed.

Arrgh. ^^ TIM(at)KFC.EDU.

✧✧✧@k✧✧.e✧✧ seemed like a pretty nice guy.

LJ the ship has passed but if you are still looking for hip hop that kind of stands out from the pack, this: https://soundcloud.com/le1f/sets/dark-york

was my album of the year last year, and does a lot of interesting things imo. Obv everyone was inundated with 'Wut' which is great but hardly representative for what I tagged as more surreal tendencies in the album. It might be something you would like...

ILXors who never post to ILM, why do you hate music?

ILM frequently has a very tenuous connection to loving music

It's up to YOU to change that if such is your heartfelt wish.

when did you stop wifi-ng your beats?

xp

nah i'm fine with it how it is, i don't necessarily want to talk lots about music, or analyze it in a bunch of ways that other ilmors enjoy, but like an awful lot of people i don't think that's got anything to do with not loving music, quite the opposite

succumb to the beat surrender

I hear you, NV, it's just that this website is in dire need of cross-borad trolling.

just wait while this week's hangovers kick in

ILMers who never post to ILX, why do you hate everything?

You may want to post that to ILM for the sake of cross-pollination.

ILXors as opposed to ILMers... or is that just me?

Perhaps this is subtly meant to reflect divergent linguistic trends on both sides of the pond.

I don’t like music I love music and if I don’t love it I spit it out (of my ears)

ILXors who never post to ILM, why do you hate music?

(The réal answer is that I’m a masochist, and also I have nothing to add to 100% of ILM threads)

Nonsense, you've got plenty of threads all to yourselves, unhaunted by the Sasquatches of antipop.

No thanks, I get bullied enough for my music taste at home!

Nonsense, you've got plenty of threads all to yourselves, unhaunted by the Sasquatches of antipop.

― pomenitul, Tuesday, December 10, 2019 8:56 AM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

for now

why do you hate music?

I don't hate music. I'm just too busy dancing about architecture to have time for ILM.

To put that in a less dweebish form: I enjoy music; I have a variety of thoughts about it; they are not thoughts which rise to the level of being valuable to anyone else, although I do sometimes inflict them on my wife, whose forbearance I can usually count on because she expects me to do the same for her.

"writing about music is like fucking for charity"

Bob Marley

People who post to ILM, why do you hate ILXors?

It's got a bit of an infestation with crabby little pricks now doesn't it? I was just thinking about all the music I've found through ILM over the years but now? I'm not sure and it does seem possible for a forum to get locked in a death spiral of vindictive gatekeeping that no amount of individual effort posting can overcome.

a death spiral of vindictive gatekeeping that no amount of individual effort posting can overcome

new board description obv

tbrr tho ilm is nicer than ever

Weird thread. All threads show up on my feed, I post where I please. You don't like me, fuck off.

tbrr tho ilm is nicer than ever

Is it really? I only read maybe 1/20 of the threads there now maybe I'm just on the wrong ones. Or maybe there's another variable I've failed to consider.

Can you give us an example of ‘vindictive gatekeeping’, viborg?

wow, p aggressive pom

Sorry, I’ll try to be more civil next time.

lol

ILM frequently has a very tenuous connection to loving music

― éminence rose et jaune (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, December 10, 2019 6:47 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

it is a funny name for a board whose value derives from the fact that critics post there -- it's not a board for enthusiasts.

i read ILM all the time and post less often. indeed, i only post to ILM when i think i have something of value to add, out of respect for the board. ILE i take a different approach.

it's not a board for enthusiasts.

Hard disagree. Some of the best ILM posters in history have been the enthusiasts. Just don't expect others to automatically share that enthusiasm, and you're good.

Ie. ILM is what you want it to be. Think abt it.

it's 2019 there's no such thing as a critic just enthusiasts and enthusiasts who still think music criticism is a viable professional field

imo ILM isn't nearly as sour as virtually every movie thread on this board.

thats a personnel issue we're looking into that

Help us, Rhonda

ILM/ILX generally nicer & less shitty in tone overall than they were say 10 years ago

but significantly less good also tbfttb

you could just say less populated

UNLESS...

i admit to have accumulated a fair amount of petty backbiting grudges on ilm over the years

overall though i find it to be a pretty good place for being enthusiastic about the music i like - i don't really have a lot of time in my life to talk shit about music i don't like...

it is a funny name for a board whose value derives from the fact that critics post there -- it's not a board for enthusiasts.

lol, there’s my life’s work going up in smoke!

Just don't expect others to automatically share that enthusiasm, and you're good.

A hard lesson to learn.

LBI OTM

the value that former critics brought was their enthusiasm