Clear Channel: Getting Ready to Own the War

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Oh boy.

Some highlights:

"Don't forget, when appropriate use language like 'a Newstalk 1530 KFBK exclusive' 'a story you are only hearing on KFBK' or 'a story you heard first on KFBK'. Make sure we own being FIRST."

"Talk shows, find the right time to work local callers into the coverage. People will be angry, frightened - the emotion of America IS part of the story. Use it!"

"Start booking guests immediatelyK.regardless of the time. DO NOT worry about waking up people -- there's a war going on!"

"Talk shows are also a very important piece to the coverage puzzle. After the long form coverage dies down talk shows should live it and breathe it 24 hours a day. YOU CANNOT OVERKILL this story. It's like disc jockeys playing records. When the jock gets tired of it, the public is just getting warmed up. Stay focused and on Topic 'A'. Fresh angles, relentless promoting and pre-promoting. Talk shows are very important for the public just to vent at first."

Anything you think they left out?

maura (maura), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 18:58 (twenty-two years ago)

A sense of restraint and decency.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned this is Clear Channel we're talking about, that went out with that dead boar in Florida.

maura (maura), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I stand corrected.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)

The second you get a notification that war has begun ...call and page Ken and Cristi.

Ok. I'll try to remember that.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)

it is so horrible all i can do is laugh

and look at this photo

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20030211/i/1045001886.3758153799.jpg

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)

The hell?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Are those the russian lesbians on much music? I think I saw their video this morning...

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah! These are my bosses!!!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:08 (twenty-two years ago)

i mean, seriously, i dont know whether to laugh or cry for real. i'm leaning to cry

and look at that photo

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:09 (twenty-two years ago)

Those Russian lesbians are your bosses, Yancey?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:11 (twenty-two years ago)

It's all part of our lezzing up plans you see...

And it's highly worth mentioning that these same memos and mechanics are working behind CNN and any other major news agency as well. Next time you see something on CNN that makes you freak out, come back and read this memo.

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:33 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh TATU, even you can not cheer me up from the horror.

Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:41 (twenty-two years ago)

What's wrong with that memo? I'm not even asking as devil's-advocate or "for the sake of argument" -- I apologize, but that looks to me like exactly the sort of organizational preparation one would expect from a business expecting a run on its product.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:45 (twenty-two years ago)

the stoking of anger and fear?

maura (maura), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)

ding ding!

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)

In what sense does this internal memo stoke anger and fear or plan to do same? It is nearly 100% technical admonitions like "always keep up with the CNN feed to see what's happening" and "make sure your pagers always have batteries."

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:53 (twenty-two years ago)

We are quite likely to be at war soon. It's the job of any media outlet with any sort of brain to plan out how to respond beforehand, so that they're organized and prepared for any eventuality. That's all I see going on here.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Nabisco, No matter how serious your posts are, seeing your name always makes me hungry for Oreos.

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Talk shows, find the right time to work local callers into the coverage. People will be angry, frightened¡Kthe emotion of America IS part of the story. Use it!

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Work it!

Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Which part of that do you disagree with, Jess? It's a perfectly reasonable thing for the head of a news organization to remind his subordinates. And in fact, he/she argues it quite well: the public reaction here will be a newsworthy aspect of whatever events take place! People will indeed be angry or frightened or whatever else; all this memo notes is that talk shows should allow local callers to express those emotions.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:59 (twenty-two years ago)

it's the "use it!" obv, n, and i think you know that

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:00 (twenty-two years ago)

i mean, jesus "make sure we own being first"...do you need a diagram?

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Consider the opposite executive decision: "People will be angry and frightened. It is our duty as a news organization to pretend that this is not the case and to cut off all local callers who accurately reflect the mood of the nation."

And no, I don't see what's wrong with "use it" in the sense of a technical memo discussing how to assemble news coverage. "Use" is the word that is, umm, used to describe including something in media.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:02 (twenty-two years ago)

There's nothing wrong with "owning" being first, either! It's a business decision as to what aspect of their own coverage they want to advertise as being significant! That is what news organizations do: they try to scoop one another, and when they can do it they like to advertise to consumers that yeah, they get things faster than everywhere else. This is not different than a Snickers advertising memo that said "make sure we own being the candy bar with the most peanuts."

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:03 (twenty-two years ago)

nitsuh there is a damn sight difference between "use anger and fear to keep listener counts high" and "allow people to vent their emotions and access to the airwaves"

people don't die in regards to snickers bars!*

(*in the immediate)

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)

People don't die in regard to whether CNN or ABC gets a story first, either!

I think you are desperately reading your larger opinions into a memo that does not contain them. The memo does not say "use anger and fear to keep listener counts high." It says that "the emotion of America IS part of the story" and that it should be included. This is a memo for an organization that has to plot out how they are going to approach covering something: that line reminds and encourages staff to cover a particular aspect of the story. That is all.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:08 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, I understand your concerns, but getting all horrified by what is basically a run-of-mill organizational memo strikes me as a little silly.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)

oh, but arguing with oops about whether or not a bodily function constitutes a social construct isnt?

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:10 (twenty-two years ago)

i mean, no offense

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:10 (twenty-two years ago)

none taken:)

Oops (Oops), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:13 (twenty-two years ago)

this is what got me: "The initial hours of coverage are critical. People who have never listened to our stations will be tuning in out of curiosity, desperation, panic and a hunger for information. RIGHT NOW, convert them to P-1's, or at least make them a future cumer. We must make sure we meet their expectations, otherwise they're gone forever and they ain't coming back."

It's sick because it's the mercenary attitude they have about EVERYTHING ALL THE TIME. The WAR is the latest Furby or Capri pants or whatever and they have to fight for their share of the craze.

choice haha: "As Rivercats season approaches we need to make sure we are aware of our contractual obligations with regard to interruptions for news of this magnitude. We'll be proactive. Let's set a meeting with Rivercats now and make them aware of War or Terror attack plans? We MUST find a way interrupt for bulletins."

speechless.

g.cannon (gcannon), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)

oh and "cumer," Mr. Perry?

g.cannon (gcannon), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)

nitsuh, i guess what it comes right down to is that i find something morally reprehensible about "owning" anything to do with a war, just or unjust or made up or whatever. so perhaps my ability to argue is shot once i admit that this comes down to an issue of morality for me

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, news isn't a public service anymore, but just another commodity. Accuracy, objectivity, and depth of coverage take a back seat to those things which will lure 'customers'

Oops (Oops), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh none taken at all, Jess, that little crack has completely convinced me that this memo is the work of Satan.

Why is everyone so shocked that a news organization wants (gasp) listeners? We all know that when something like a war happens, people tune in to news like nuts. This memo says: "We must make sure we meet their expectations." Every business says this: when people are going to be consuming your product like nuts, you want to offer them a good product, in the hope that they'll continue choosing your product over its competitors.

Consider, again, the rhetorical alternative: "People will be consuming news like crazy. It is not at all important that we offer good coverage. Feel free to not take this seriously and do a lousy job."

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:18 (twenty-two years ago)

There aren't any new shocking crimes in that memo, it's just a glasshouse that exhibits what has always been a rather insensitive and, imho ultimately self-destructive, machine.

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Insensitive in the grander scheme of things. People who think they are going to be tuning in to know the situation and calm down are going to be egged to be even less calm. It's just really parasatic and disgusting. But hey, it's good business!

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:20 (twenty-two years ago)

there is nothing in that memo which leads me to believe that they will be taking this seriously or doing a "good" job, at least in whatever my vague conception/need is

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)

referring to news as product is American capitalism at its most perverse

Oops (Oops), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Oops: please note that public services want people to use their services too. The author of this memo is simply telling his or her staff that they are about to be faced by a serious news challenge and a whole lot of listeners, and they need to be organized and do a good job. His or her main theme is a pretty obvious one: be on top of breaking news!

Jess: you might be misinterpreting "owning." News organizations want to have news first. This is, overall, a good thing: this is what makes them proactive about finding news and reporting it efficiently. Yes, sometimes it is a bad thing: it leads them to concoct or overblow news simply so they can have it "first." But generally speaking there is nothing wrong with wanting your news organization to be on top of breaking events!

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)

how about "we have a duty to keep the public informed, don't worry about listenership shares for the next day, were at WAR, just get the goods out there."

g.cannon (gcannon), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:23 (twenty-two years ago)

i'm not misinterpreting, anything. i know damn well what they mean. the problem i have is not with the overarching "idea" (hah, i almost said ideal), but with the language, the approach, the way it has been perverted betyond all recognition. "misinterpreting" this memo may be mentalism, but taking this memo at total face value, without taking into account the history of the company, its practices and values, and the way such ideals can fall down in practice is marxist-grade mentalism.

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:26 (twenty-two years ago)

"Good job" = keep satellite feeds on, have batteries in your pager, have pre-prepared lists of experts, etc. (Conversely "bad job" = "hahaha we killed Saddam yesterday but the feed was off so we only just found out," "hahaha the White House was bombed but our Washington correspondent was unreachable so we're reporting from Florida," and "hahaha we'd like to have someone give you useful expert information about the Kurds but we can't think of anyone who knows anything about them.")

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:26 (twenty-two years ago)

STAY THE COURSE!!!!!!

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

(that appears somewhere in almost every CC memo)

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Cannon: the purpose of this memo is largely to describe what "the goods" are. (Are you guys just willfully ignoring the 99% of this memo that is mundane be-prepared shit about which satellite feeds to follow and how to have expert commentators lined up?)

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20030211/i/1045001886.3758153799.jpg

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:29 (twenty-two years ago)

They must be commentators, they have microphones.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Consider the opposite executive decision: "People will be angry and frightened. It is our duty as a news organization to pretend that this is not the case and to cut off all local callers who accurately reflect the mood of the nation."

Point well taken. I know that this is Clear Channel, and that every other media outlet is similarly plotting to "own" war coverage. But I would prefer to see "It is our duty as a news organization to report accurate information, and to not confuse emotion or attitude with verified news." Local and expert voices and perspectives have their value in this context, but the Clear Channel memo reeks of hype for hype's sake.

j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:31 (twenty-two years ago)

The more I look at the taTu pic the more sadistic it seems. Like the redhead is Pyle from Full Metal Jacket and the punk rawker one is Sgt. Hartman trying to fuck with him!

I dunno. I need to look at that some more.

Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)

how the hell did trife pan that record?

James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:35 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, news isn't a public service anymore, but just another commodity.

What's this "anymore" business? Didn't Hearst instigate a war in order to sell more newspapers about a hundred years ago? The news has always been a commodity. (Though not "just" a commodity.)

If you don't read (listen to, watch) the news while keeping in mind that it's a business, then you aren't reading it properly.

Chris P (Chris P), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, they didn't say "THIS STORY IS VERY IMPORTANT AND SHOULD BE REPORTED ACCURATELY AND NOT SENSATIONALIZED"
instead they said "YOU CANNOT OVERKILL this story"

Oops (Oops), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

obv he didnt see this and photo with them humping in school girl outfits with kneepads

jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)

But J.Lu, the "accurate information" bit is assumed and irrelevant and not within the scope of this memo! This memo is organizational -- it specifies things to do in preparation, for the most part, and includes instructions for balancing different types of coverage (e.g. the "don't do local just to do local" bit, which everyone is totally ignoring: this person basically says "just use the national feeds, they do a good job").

Also: you guys seem to be arguing that the memo should include an admonishment to the people to "be good journalists." But this is an implied mission statement in any journalistic enterprise, and not what this memo is about: certainly the author could have said or stressed that, but it's not strictly a necessity.

Especially when the bulk of what I'm reading is stuff that has nothing to do with journalism, stuff like:

"If War breaks out after 10AM M-F please make sure that we call Joe and Jack to come in and take KSTE into long-form as well." -- great, cause if a war starts we'd like to have you cover it.

"After a major terror attack or after the war begins take all presidential addresses and public appearances." -- sure, cause if a war starts anything he says will probably be important.

"Editors, producers get to work on a 'war list' immediately. Make sure it includes local experts, sources, military types, other CC newsrooms around the country, network contacts etc. Cristi please coordinate this and make certain it is posted everywhere." -- that's a good organizational idea, so listeners can have informed commentary quickly.

"Make certain that you know how to bring CNN up on the boards of both KFBK and KSTE. They were first by a mile in 1991 during the Persian Gulf War and again on September 11th." -- wonderful, thanks for identifying the news leader and making sure it's available to us.

"Remember, don't do local just to do local. This is an international/national story and the nets do a great job. You will know when it is right and you have the right stories to use." -- yeah, use discretion in deciding on important information, that's good.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Oops, I just don't see it as incumbent on a director to pre-warn his or her staff against irresponsible behavior, no more than I call Pizza Hut and say "please do not include feces on my order." And the author is right about the overkill: people will be glued to news 24/7 for the duration of everything, they will want more and more and more information and commentary. "This cannot be overkilled" is not, as it's used, a comment on the kind of coverage, it's a comment on the amount, and I think it's dead-on.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)

The news has always been a commodity

I was gonna say that news commodification isn't a recent thing but I got distracted. However, I think your statement above is a bit cynical. When Ben Franklin started his presses, did he do it ONLY to make a buck, or did he genuinely want to inform others about events?

Nabisco, as I am typing this I am looking at a poster thingee in my cubicle (it's in every cubicle) about how to act properly at work. It came from a HR director. Although I think this in particular is cheesy and ineffective, I think a big part of any director's job is to make sure his employees work under some code of ethics

Oops (Oops), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:51 (twenty-two years ago)

no more than I call Pizza Hut and say "please do not include feces on my order."

You don't do that?

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)

But Oops, if your goal is to "inform people about events" it's necessary that people listen to you. Not only because they have to be listening to be informed, but also because if they don't listen you will lose the platform from which you've been informing them. The sense I get from that conversion bit in the memo is that it's simply an exhortation: "this is prime-time," it says, "loads of people are going to tune in, and we want them to like what they hear so they'll keep tuning in."

Think about how this functions for an individual broadcaster. Imagine you're this broadcaster: you want to do a good job, and you want people to listen to you and like it. And here you're told: there's going to be a war, so be ready to handle it. Loads of people will be listening, and you want them to think you're the best and keep listening -- no business, no public service, no organization whatsoever can exist without having this basic level of wanting people to like and come back to their service, their product, their whatever. This is not so Satanic.

And Oops, yes, I understand what you're saying, and could certainly imagine an admonition in that memo to take all sorts of high roads. But it's not like every memo you get at work has that code of ethics written in, is it?

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)

(Note: yes, that exhortation is clearly a market-based exhortation, I'm not denying that at all. But at root even a market-based exhortation is an exhortation to be the news source that the most number of people choose to listen to.)

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:06 (twenty-two years ago)

You still seem to be saying that news should be consumer-driven.
I disagree with this. People shouldn't like the news. Do you like facts? Maybe if you're a kook you do.
Take the public service model. I don't expect the government to do things just to get me to vote for them again. Yet, sadly, this is how it is. I understand these things, I just don't like them.

Oops (Oops), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:10 (twenty-two years ago)

No, Oops, I think you're misreading again: my point was that even a non-profit public service, one that wants nothing from no one, still wants people to use the service. That's why they exist. If they didn't want people to use and enjoy their service they would all go do something else.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Also you're acting as if news media routinely just make shit up that they think you'd be interested to hear. This is not true. There are an infinite number of "facts" to present and an infinite number of ways to present them: that's the decision that's so tricky for news organizations to handle. The solution to this problem within a "free press" is to let them all present various sets of facts and let the public decide which set of facts they're going to bother listening to. This is not a perfect system in the least but the alternative is to elect an arbiter of "truth" to tell people what they're allowed to hear and what they're not.

And even that again ignores the technical nature of this memo. The author largely just tells his associates to run with the CNN feed. This is not a decision about "facts" so much: it's a decision about technical quality as much as reporting. CNN is unlikely to present wildly different "facts" than any other source, but it is likely to present them with different commentary and different production values. The presentation of information has nothing to do with "fact" and it is completely up to individual citizens to decide what presentation of information they'd like to be exposed to. This writer seems to think -- wisely, I'd say -- that listeners are going to get the information they want in the form they want from e.g. CNN.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)

So the Streets & Sanitation people want you to use their roads? to drive after they salt and plow the roads? The government wants people to use welfare?

No, I don't think news agencies make up news. They let other people do that and then call in with 'facts'. They speculate. Take a look at the whole Scott Anderson thing. Nobody knows many facts, yet they get 'experts' on to speculate. Watch a full day of CNN or Fox and see how many bona-fide facts are presented and how much speculation is done.

Oops (Oops), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:32 (twenty-two years ago)

"Speculation" is fact: it is a fact that a person is speculating about something. If people want to hear speculation we have very little moral grounds for stopping them. If I want to hear what an academic in a particular field thinks about an issue of national import, I deserve to be able to hear it.

In other words, I'm not sure what kind of news you're advocating: it sounds awfully like state-run televison to me.

Apologies for my bad typing: I said "non-profit public service" meaning not public as in federal but just a non-profit service to the public. Soup kitchens want to feed the needy soup. Debt counselors want to counsel people about debt. Any organization that creates itself to fulfill a particular mission wants to fulfill that mission, and they want people to be pleased with the way they've done so.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:36 (twenty-two years ago)

"Speculation" is fact

I see now that any further discussion w/you is pointless.

Oops (Oops), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh don't be a bitch about it: you know perfectly well what I mean. Expert speculation on a topic is never presented as "fact" -- it is presented as "this is an expert's opinion." There is nothing non-factual about this information and the way it is presented.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:43 (twenty-two years ago)

In other words, it's a far cry from "making shit up": it says "this is the opinion of a qualified expert in a relevant field." You would not do very well to go saying that the network airing such a thing lied to you and presented non-factual information: the only fact they were presenting you with was the fact that X thought Y about Z.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Though that is the clear advantage of expert speculation: It saves the network from presenting viewpoints as "facts", while still allowing them to pick which experts are televised (and thus taken seriously).

Chris P (Chris P), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry, didn't mean to be a bitch. Your statement just seemed to indicate severe stubbornness.

I just don't like speculation being mixed into actual news. Esp. since the majority of news coverage is speculation. A few people hear that there may be a link between, let's say, coffee and jaundice. Someone tells a friends this speculation and it quickly becomes a 'fact' in need of debunking.
It seems that the media specialize in half-truths. Like if a study comes out, they present it as fact and couldn't be bothered to explain the possible flaws in the study or tell you what peer review has to say about it.

Chris has a good point. They tend to only pick 'experts' who they or their target audience agree with.

Oops (Oops), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:52 (twenty-two years ago)

But this is part of the role of a news organization: since you and I as news viewers or listeners cannot exactly sort through the entire output of expert and academic opinion on every topic, it's their job to find appropriate ones. And it's our job to filter that bunch and decide which ones we want to hear from.

The rise of expert commentary has everything to do with people consuming way more news now than ever before: in a 24-hour cable-news format there simply isn't enough hard news on topics that viewers want to hear about to fill out the day. What viewers want to hear after hard news is some sort of analysis of that news.

I'm mostly dismayed here by this idea that news media are supposed to serve as arbiters of truth and hard fact. Unfortunately there is no consistently applicable opinion about exactly what those things are: this is why we have a multiplicity of media available to us. That is the plan. They offer a multitude of voices, and it is, on some level, our job to sort through that information as we choose.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:54 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, I'm not denying that news media are imperfect and often stupid! My point is that this is why there are lots of them, and we have some responsibility to consume news intelligently.

In other words, when we talk about news as a commodity it's within our power to decide how that commodity is going to be judged. If we think of news as an "entertainment" commodity and tune in as such, the market will make it one. But if we think of news as a news commodity -- if we decide what news to consume based on its offering us information with the hard integrity you guys seem to be asking for -- then that's how the market will operate. Right now I think it's a mix of the two, and yeah, the mix gets a bit off sometimes, and yeah, problems in it can tend to be self-reinforcing. But it strikes me as dangerous to start taking the position that people shouldn't be allowed to choose the information they want to.

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:01 (twenty-two years ago)

(Sorry, I have overposted to this thread.)

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:10 (twenty-two years ago)

nabisco I haven't read this thread carefully but has anyone actually taken this position? Does it need demolishing? Also I don't see the dizzying multitude of sources and viewpoints to sift through that you do. Am I not persistent enough? (that's certainly possible)

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:11 (twenty-two years ago)

The rise of expert commentary has everything to do with people consuming way more news now than ever before: in a 24-hour cable-news format there simply isn't enough hard news on topics that viewers want to hear about to fill out the day. What viewers want to hear after hard news is some sort of analysis of that news.

This is the problem. Too much time to fill, not enough news. Before CNN had any competition, they would just relay the same 'facts' over and over. People didn't watch religiously but would tune in as they would tune into the weather channel. There's less speculation on the Weather Channel than FoxNews:)


You're right, it should be the viewer/listener's job to sort things out and decide for themselves. But realistically, most people don't do this, they get there news from one or two sources, and take all they hear as fact. In this sense, I don't give people as much credit as you do. But, it seems that you aren't giving people much credit either if you think that people need to have their news analyzed in order to fully understand and appreciate its significance/connsequences.
I think we agree that there needs to be more personal responsibility. Can we also agree that this is unlikely to occur? We seem to be on a downward spiral, with entertainment/sensationalism nibbling away at journalistic integrity little by little.

Oops (Oops), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:11 (twenty-two years ago)

"cumer" and P-1 are references to listeners obv.

A P-1 is the guy who has yr station set on his car and at home, also at work if possible, who listens all the time. The P-1s are yr targeted customer base when you describe yr station's "angle" to ad buyers (I think)

a 'cumer' is a person you include as part of yr cumulative listener total - people who have yr station as a preset in the car etc. whom you can count when you tell ad buyers '560K listeners in the metro area'

I'm just really glad today was the last day of WAMU's membership drive - I can now listen to Morning Edition and Marketplace without constantly hearing about 18002488850 and www.wamu.org and the grundig shortwave radio or the logo Tshirt or the canvas "Beltway Bag".

Clear Channel is awful shit intended for retards. Why do you care?

Millar (Millar), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:19 (twenty-two years ago)

(Tracer I'm going to try to drop out and let others discuss by my point was to defend the current system, not the results: I see a lot of people here rejecting the entire notion of model of news as the consumer's choice or the notion that media should want people to watch their news and enjoy it. I'm certainly reading in quite a bit, but my point is that the alternatives to this sort of system involve either electing arbiters of truth or denying people certain information they want. The former method is actually quite successful -- independent semi-nationalized media outlets like the BBC and PBS news shows here provide exactly the kind of news people are arguing for on this thread. You'll note, however, that in the U.S. people are not so in love with Jim Lehrer.)

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree with nabisco (am I the first on this thread to do so?) entirely. There was nothing objectionable about the memo. The language may have sounded a bit callous, but you have to figure in the authors' intentions; I send lots of "internal" memos (as emails) every day whose language would sound objectionable to those outside the walls of my company's office.

I think what people may be recoiling at is the shoddiness of Clear Channel's coverage (and the shoddiness of commercial news coverage in the US in general)--what may be read back into this memo on the basis of the imagined results. Which is different than objecting to the words in the memo itself.

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:22 (twenty-two years ago)

(Ha, Amateurist: do you ever work publicity up there? I keep suspecting people's readings of this memo will be hugely polarized by whether they've ever done publicity or marketing jobs -- like I don't imagine Tom would be very bothered by it at all.)

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:25 (twenty-two years ago)

No, but I have friends in publicity depts and in advertising, so I've learned my lessons. Also I send "who cares what the author thinks, this book must go to press in 30 seconds!"-type emails every day.

Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:28 (twenty-two years ago)

(Aww, I missed something: Jess's "allow people to vent their emotions and access to the airwaves" versus the memo's "talk shows are very important for the public just to vent at first.")

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:46 (twenty-two years ago)

very good: would you like a cookie? this place gets more tedious by the day.

Clear Channel is awful shit intended for retards. Why do you care?

Goebbels to thread plz

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 13 February 2003 00:28 (twenty-two years ago)

whoops:

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jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 13 February 2003 00:29 (twenty-two years ago)

nitsuh you're pulling nu-ilm grade mentalism here if you're actually claiming that any of us think that access to media should be restricted, which you've stated as much that you're not, really, per se, kinda, but what the hell is your point otherwise? no one here has said that people should not "emjoy" their news; however its ridiculous to say that the "entertainment-izing" ("commodity-izing" if you must) of news that began with probably with the invention of the printing press - but has exploded in the last twenty-five years, has had a ill effect on news coverage in america.

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 13 February 2003 00:35 (twenty-two years ago)

also, amateurist i think i was pretty clearly linking clear channels actual practices with the memo, above

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 13 February 2003 00:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Jess, what you're accusing Nab doesn't seem to have any relation to what he's said.

But if the news has gotten more "entertainmentized" over the past 25 years (which I'm not sure is true), there are three things you can blame: You can blame the news media, who decide to be more entertainy in order to bring in the money; you can blame the [capitalist] system that encourages news media to give the people what they want; or you can blame the people, for wanting entertainment instead of news because they find facts boring.

Most people on this thread seem to be taking the first route, and saying that Clear Channel is awful; Nabisco seems (I could be wrong) to be taking the third route, saying that if people wanted news-based news (rather than entertainment-based news) then they'd get it; at the same time, he's grappling with the middle route, and whether you can really blame the media for doing their job.

That's what it looks like to me; I might be miles off-base.

Chris P (Chris P), Thursday, 13 February 2003 01:00 (twenty-two years ago)

Has no-one else mentioned the "When not if" tone of this?

Also, to defend Clear Channel as bringers of multiplicity of viewpoints is just fucked.

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 13 February 2003 11:31 (twenty-two years ago)

No one's done that either, actually.

Jess, I tried clarifying this with Tracer but I guess not enough. I'm not saying that people here are advocating restricted media -- what I'm saying is that the particular ways in which they're attacking current media actually do function as criticisms of the very basis of a free press. Look upthread: you'll find people basically saying that news organizations shouldn't strive to have viewers, and that everyday people's choices as to what they want out of their news shouldn't matter. I can agree with the pointing-out of a lot of flaws in current media but still believe this is a really bad line of rhetoric to take in attacking them: intended or not, it's an assault on one of the founding principles of the idea of a free press.

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 13 February 2003 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)

And Andrew: surely if you're trying to rally a business to respond to an eventuality that seems about 75% likely, you're going to write a memo that deals with "when" and not "if."

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 13 February 2003 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Nabisco -- Since when has "Freedom of the Press" meant "Freedom of the consumer to choose"? It means that the reporter is free to report as the reporter sees fit, and the consumer is left completely out of the equation -- the whole NOTION of the consumer is a little wierd and hardly necessary in a democracy, no?

Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 13 February 2003 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Nabisco I think people are saying "press should be more like NPR": give the people what they NEED not what they WANT. Which is also frustrating because if you distinguish so sharply between the two, then you don't try hard to do all the right things, and then people just stop listening.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 13 February 2003 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)

left-liberal attitudes in "afraid to convince people" SHOCKAH!

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 13 February 2003 17:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes Sterling -- this is what I was talking about with regard to PBS and the BBC, above. But surely you see why our model of a "free press" doesn't include that: because it suggests that there should be an arbiter of what people "need" other than the people themselves!

Instead we have a press that is beholden to report factual information, but beyond that can present whatevers set of facts or analyses it desires. What, then, organizes which sets of facts and interpretations people consume? In our model of a free press, the answer is ostensible "the people themselves" -- anyone is free to offer us any set of information (so long as it's not demonstrably untrue), and it's in our hands to decide which particular ones we want to consume. That's the import of the viewer's choice.

The problem, obviously, is that we have no way of validating what we're told or how it's interpreted: the whole reason we need "news" is because we can't go out ourselves and confirm the truth of what we're hearing. Our model of a free press tries to solve that problem as follows: as with politics, we have the opportunity to expose ourselves to different information from different viewpoints, and to hold them up to one another for comparison and confirmation. Then we make our choices. And while news-consumers are going to have a tendency to want to hear news that reinforces their own beliefs, that tells them what they want to hear, this whole system is based on some bedrock faith that when people want "news" about the world around them they also want that news to be TRUE (and "useful," which is to say -- "true," or at least unbiased enough that one can discuss events with others without looking like a loony; this is why, with the exception of Fox News, major news outlets do not have slants big enough for the information they present to be conversationally incompatible with news from elsewhere).

Anyway there was a lot of rhetoric above about how people shouldn't enjoy or want news and how news organizations shouldn't care whether people consume their product or not. (In ILM terms this argument would function so differently.) That's what I see as a weird shot at the basis of a free press, which is that it should be primarily people's decision that something is worth consuming that recommends it: this is the only way to avoid appointing some entity to arbitrate not only what "truth" is but which truths are important. And notice how this functions outside of capitalism: regardless of what people spend money on, I guarantee you they by and large know that Jim Lehrer's news is a better product than Geraldo's.

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 13 February 2003 17:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Sorry, Nabisco, but I don't think that you can translate "demos" as "most consumers" -- that is, I think that it's a fallacy to equate the will of the people with what the most people will buy.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 13 February 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm actually surprised by you, Sterling, because of the hate crimes thread: at some point you said something like "even if that's a good idea I don't trust government to have the power to divine who is and who is not etc. etc." You're saying the opposite here on a much much greater and more esoteric scale: you're saying that people NEED to hear one of many competing perspectives on "truth" and someone, somewhere, should have the power to force-feed it to them!

And hell yes, part of me wants to agree with you, and I'll take BBC World News or Jim Lehrer over MS-NBC or Fox cable news ANY DAY OF THE FRIGGIN WEEK but I'm just trying to be the (apparently lone) explainer here of why our particular free-press model doesn't run that way.

Colin: why, because people are stupid they can't make rational decisions about what radio station to turn the dial to, what channel to flip to? I half agree with you but in defense of this model I think our founding fathers would have said something like FUCK YOU YOU ROYALIST ELITIST.

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 13 February 2003 17:54 (twenty-two years ago)

That's ridiculous Colin. We all know people want McDonald's hamburgers more than any other

oops (Oops), Thursday, 13 February 2003 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)

(NB that's not me saying that I'm just imagining them in their wigs shouting that. Like I said I think you have a point, but it's one that you can't force on people: the press is an open implement to everyone, and on some level the only alternatives are to let people consume the information they want or to ... to what, to restrict what truths they value? To force-feed them different opinions?)

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 13 February 2003 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Not saying that, Nabisco -- I'm saying that "what sort of information would be useful to you as a citizen" and "What channel do you turn on in the evening" are two ENTIRELY different questions, and that the conflation of the two is a cheap undemocratic trick beloved of lazy greedy media owners masquerading as a free press.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Nabisco, are you Rupert Murdoch?

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:10 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes yes but Colin please listen: WHO IS TO DECIDE what information is "useful" to me if not ... me?

Andrew, are you Uday Hussein?

Also Sterling: I was just thinking that might be an artificial dichotomy you're creating between "want" and "need." The whole reason this leg of this discussion started up was that line in the memo that basically says "loads of people will tune in if there's a war -- let's keep them listening." I guarantee you that every comparable NPR director is saying exactly the same things to his or her staff -- NPR gives you what you "need," but it works on the assumption that some people "want" what you think they "need." Please don't imagine that any person working at an NPR station isn't eager to do a bang-up job and have every person who tunes in love it and stay tuned in forever and ever, and don't imagine that their internal memos say any different. The issue here is that most of you are reading from experience into how Clear Channel affiliates would try to keep people around -- but that doesn't make the "keep people around" instinct a bad one!

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:18 (twenty-two years ago)

There is a sense that I'm getting (I'm probably not reading carefully enough) that nabisco is going "Well, it's not perfect, but you got have lassez-faire", and other people are going "this is why lassez-faire doesn't work". Which, to generalise horribly, is pretty much the inside-vs-outside-America divide: "The US has the best system, with a few bugs." vs "The US is irredeemably fucked. Start over."

Also, the Founding Fathers must be in the top-five of "dead people that wish people would stop extrapolating their opinions". Just below Muhammed and Jesus

Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I've never worked in marketing or sales, and the lingo and exhortations always present in those businesses made me uneasy. To apply it to (a) reporting -- oh, I'm sorry, I mean loudly promoing the ABC News feed -- and (b) the discussion of something where people are going to die in possibly large numbers just makes me even more disgusted. (See also: The postcards and paintings of the in-flames WTC sold in gift shops all over.)

And I also think you're forgetting that in many markets CC is already forcefeeding people opinions, albeit not as overtly as, say, The Nation or The Washington Monthly; that idelogical dominance is justified by the market-populist arguments that were also used as the justification for their station binge that turned them into what they are today.

I mean, do you think that all news should just be a bunch of people screaming at each other, hurling unsubstantiated insults, because that's what sells to demographically desirable types? Is that all that matters anymore?

Also: I know all too well the "give the people what they want" argument, but you're leaving out the crucial variable of train-wrecks; of course people (on both ideological sides) are going to pay more attention to shooting-at-the-mouth gasbags like Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh, because it's the same "what will they say next?" curiosity that keeps people listening to Howard Stern. And if anything, I find market-populist arguments more elitist than the ones wishing for something more, you know, civilized in the public discourse; those arguments are usually trotted out to defend the pushing of lower culture on a populace that (a) the people making the deciding have had little actual contact with and (b) those decision-makers have a "let them eat cake" about, because they're the great Midwestern unwashed/a bunch of snobby East Coast types/[insert your favorite generalization here]. "Well, hey, it's what they want, so give it to them, they don't know what else is out there and why should we show them if it's going to be any sort of risk for us?" That to me is a lot more offensive than people being offended by this hot pink economy's constant drive to equate louder with better and leave anything of substance by the roadside.

(And I'm going to also go out on a limb and say that the callers CC picks on its call-in shows to illustrate the anger and fear going on will be more angry at "the enemy" than about the war itself -- after all, look at the "America's War" branding strategy they're going with, and the tendency of that company to phase out the shows of DJs who lean even slightly left.)

maura (maura), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:21 (twenty-two years ago)

Nabisco -- Nobody but you. But NO-ONE'S ASKING THE QUESTION. The only question that gets asked is "What get folks to tune in?"

It's the role of the free press to ask that question -- it is not the role of the free press to make money for shareholders.

Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Maura, two questions:

(a) If the forces you describe are really powerful enough to stomp all over any iota of agency individuals might have to find and consume "good" news, why is news not 30 times more ridiculous than it is now? Why isn't Ann Coulter co-hosting CBS nightly news? In the nude? With Howard Stern? Would people watch that?

(b) What else are you going to do?

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:28 (twenty-two years ago)

And Colin, this is my point, which I feel is just not coming across properly no matter what direction I try to come at it from: why can't/isn't the answer to "What get folks to tune in?" something like "Actual useful informative hard news?"

This is part of my problem here: you guys are talking as if people are so ridiculously stupid that they will always prefer made-up cartoon bikini news to actual fact. You're ignoring the fact that on some level people tune into news to hear news, as well, and any outlet that doesn't give them a sufficient amount of it is going to loose their attention!

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Why isn't Ann Coulter co-hosting CBS nightly news? In the nude? With Howard Stern?

Patience, my boy, patience

oops (Oops), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:31 (twenty-two years ago)

(And if the answer to "what gets people to tune in" isn't "actual news" at all, in the least, on any level, then we should just conclude that people aren't fucking interested in news and there's no point even bothering about it either way.)

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Nabisco you are soo off the money with yr. reading of my post. I wuz laying out the fundamental issue, but NOT calling to give people what they "need" as such, nor creating a division between need and want, but rather complaining about it.

I think there's a sense among "worthy" news sources that they don't WANT to reach out -- a self-congratulatory insularity and refusal to ENGAGE. Also a refusal to acknowledge that they ARE on a mission, and not just better at being informed and impartial.

I'm not v. happy with what clear-channel will be doing with their Iraq coverage but then neither do I want to particularly lobby clearchannel about it. I think yr. right -- the newssources do what they do, and the job is to establish news from a difft. standpoint and MAKE IT ACCESSABLE and make it WANT to reach out to people.

so i'm not saying "force-feed" but rather that that's impossible -- i'm saying, convence 'em that they want it, draw 'em in AND make 'em stay, and to do that you have to start with an agenda.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:38 (twenty-two years ago)

(Sorry for misreading! I am mostly in agreement with that, for sure.)

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:46 (twenty-two years ago)

so i'm not saying "force-feed" but rather that that's impossible -- i'm saying, convence 'em that they want it, draw 'em in AND make 'em stay, and to do that you have to start with an agenda.

and see, i think the funny thing is that no one on this thread would necessarily dispute that, just that we've been disputing clear channel's possible (eventual?) agenda. nitsuh's overly literal reading of maura's initial post on (ooh, lookit them bad corporate types with their "Internal Memos") has been him battering around marketing chestnuts, when - and i can only speak for me but probably maura too since we were talking about this before she even posted the thread - we were very explicitly reading clear channel's history and practices into the language of this memo.

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:47 (twenty-two years ago)

(and no, before you ask, i DO NOT think that is a "bad" or even dishonest thing to do.)

jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:49 (twenty-two years ago)

By the way, I'm sorry I've been stubbornly overposting to this thread, I know it's rude. I'll try to stop. I think I just get vehement about this issue because on a gut level I want to agree with loads of you and can't, for basically moral reasons. If someone suggested that people should have to pass a current events test to vote, my gut would also say that was a fantastic idea -- but I have to conclude it's immoral and wrong and oppressive etc., and it's on that level that I'm thinking about the question here. (Or at least on that level that I didn't like some of the comments above, which seemed to attack not, like, some of the horrible structures and practices of news but the model itself.) As much as I don't like it I see some sort of weird duty for all of us to live with one another's idiocy -- to try and convince people of what we consider "truth" but to respect their choices (however idiotic we may find them) as well. (This does not bear on the memo issue, which is structural, but on the comments I indicated upthread, about what model "news" as a concept should operate on.)

By the way, Maura, on the market populism front: back when Tom Frank was going around on it I was at a reading of his here. At some point he made some deeply unparseable comment about the intelligence of average people and consumers, so I asked him, basically: what is your opinion on the actions and intelligence of the average person? And he just shrugged and said "that's not really something that concerns me much." I have been a bit pissed off at him ever since, because so much of his work concerns supposedly manipulations of or myths fed to this average-consumer populous but never ever bothers to think about what that actual populous wants or gets or chooses.

Okay, quiet now.

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 13 February 2003 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)

and also no one answered my initial question, but that's beside the point.

nabisco i am not the one assuming that people will only look at news if it has bikinis. but i don't think you can argue that bikini-clad anything -- look at the freaking national geographic swimsuit issue, although i'm using the bikini as more of a metaphor here, but still, i think that's a prime example -- is the order of the day; how is my discomfort with this the equivalent of 'oh people will only read this, tsk tsk'?? -- i'm more bemoaning the lowest-common-denominator impulses of financiers and suits who think they know what the people want because they have the metrics and charts to back it up, even though they have probably never talked to the people they supposedly 'know.' i don't know why t. frank answered your question in the matter that he did, because i have thought about what people want a lot; of course it's a tricky thing to put your finger on, depending on which focus-grouping company you ask and which questions you ask to that group. i think that truthfully it's impossible to know what the 'average person' wants in a lot of ways, but i also think that too many shortcuts are being taken by a lot of people, and i don't think it's wrong to say that yes this bothers me.

(this whole discussion is making me think too about the constant battles over tv shows that are critically acclaimed, yet get canceled first.)

maura (maura), Thursday, 13 February 2003 20:02 (twenty-two years ago)

So this is really about how media are "out of touch"!?

Haha ironically (not really, but then everyone misuses it, or maybe really i dunno anymore) the cheapo free tabloids launched by the chicago papers (red eye and red streak) are WAAAY more sympathetic to anti-war types than the normal versions of the papers. In fact, they're nearly positively anti-war in editorial tilt.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 13 February 2003 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Okay, now I can say one more thing: Maura, I agree with that post 100%. (I just don't find it at all incompatible with anything I've said on this thread.)

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 13 February 2003 20:12 (twenty-two years ago)

sterling -- not exactly out of touch, more like taking shortcuts because they think they 'know what sells' -- see also, yeah, the initial issues of those red papers. although i'd love to see what the antiwar stances in them now are like ...

maura (maura), Thursday, 13 February 2003 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)

and also my point about where the talkshow callers' anger (cited in the memo) will be directed on-air stands, and that's probably the most dismaying part of this memo, because i do think that these talk shows will not reflect the community, just like voicetracked drive-timers beaming in from florida or texas don't reflect 'the community' they're being sent into; instead you have a mirage of a community, one whose ratings you can hold up and say 'here is proof that we are doing things right' when you really don't know, you just know via the metrics that people are tuning in but you don't know if they are satisfied, feel a relationship, etc.

i can pretty much say this authoritatively, too, because in my former temp-iteration i was basically a voicetracker, picking 'the best' restaurants in places i'd never been to like grand rapids. (other people in my capacity would take the easy way out and pick places like applebee's, augh) of course these features got pageviews; when someone types in a cityname on [insert name of large online service here] you get redirected right to where i work, which means you have something of a lock on traffic. but were they really useful to the community? well, how hard is it to find an applebee's or a chili's on a major road?

maura (maura), Thursday, 13 February 2003 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Not spectacular or anything -- they just give nice coverage to the protestors, don't take the terror warnings seriously, give nice coverage to anti-war hollywood celeb types, and generally like if they run an article on international politics (did i say article? i meant paragraph) they emphasize the international opposition and don't push the administration line.

No real edge to it, just that they seem to know they exist for a demo which is comfortably jaundiced about the bush gang and the war, and play to that.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 13 February 2003 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)

First off, major kudos to Nabisco for sticking around to defend media as business today. I don't feel any more comfort about the situation, and the results make me ill. But he does have a point in the sense that, well, what's a better way to make a "better" press.

Even NPR news, as much as I like it more than CNN/MSNBC/etc, kinda follows the same corporate guidelines to appease their audience.. it's just delivered more conservatively, "intelligently", and more left of center.

Yes, free press is nice. But, especially with the advent of the net, it's just now easier than ever to access the news you want to hear. Seattle hippies are all gonna read the same left-wing conspiracy websites, and Orange County libertarians are always going to read the OC Register and other sites that appeal to their idea of what's right and what's wrong. etc. etc. etc. A decade or so ago, this notion may have seemed idealistic, but it's turned out to not offer as much challenge or debate as people hoped.


But at least, you can choose which horribly biased news outlet you read. And of course, a minority of people who don't like to fall into a convenient hole will exist surely. And there are a few sites that are extremely academic, analytical, and politically neutral.. but then again, even they have to cull the stories, so some bias will always exist. (Stratfor is a good example.. hope I didn't get the name wrong)

It boils down to which poison you want. Goverment controlled news? or corporately controlled news? Or both? Or neither?

Now back to the original topic on hand, my problem with the memo wasn't with the general mechanisms of corporate media as much as seeing firsthand a document produced by someone who has been so desensitized and presumably unmoved by the dire events that are very possibly about to happen. That mindset just makes me ill. I'm glad I saw the memo, because it's a great analogy to keep in mind the next time I see another threat alert or story meant to instill fear.

Overall, it's just a reminder that the very powerful people who do control the media in this country are doing their job, in relation to this war and terrorism, in a way that's ultimately destructive. (Then again, I wasn't around during the media frenzy surrounding the Cuban missile crisis.. perhaps it was even worse then)


donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 13 February 2003 21:15 (twenty-two years ago)

I'm struggling to vary my news sources, in the theory that if I can get lots of different spins I might be able to find the core of truth. It's not working, though, at least it's not working well enough. So here are my news sources, in no particular order:

CNN
NPR
PBS/The Newshour with Jim Lehrer
CNN - Newsnight with Aaron Brown
BBC
News World International, including "The National" With Peter Mansbridge
Websites: The New York Times; the Washington Post; the Wall Street Journal; CNN; BBC.

Still too western-oriented, I'm afraid.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Thursday, 13 February 2003 21:46 (twenty-two years ago)

perhaps you should beam in Al-Jazeerah?

oops (Oops), Thursday, 13 February 2003 21:48 (twenty-two years ago)

*laughing* Would if I could, oops.

I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Thursday, 13 February 2003 21:54 (twenty-two years ago)

national geographic has a swimsuit issue????? *ahem* carry on.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 13 February 2003 21:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Tracer, watch out! MS. BRUCKMEYER'S COMIN'!

(i hope you get the ref)

donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 13 February 2003 22:01 (twenty-two years ago)

yeah, that'd be pretty bitchin'

oops (Oops), Thursday, 13 February 2003 22:07 (twenty-two years ago)

yup

maura (maura), Thursday, 13 February 2003 22:08 (twenty-two years ago)

one month passes...
Revive. Sorry about the length, but I'm posting this in it entirety cos it requires registration.

Ch1c4g0 Tr1bun3 - March 19, 2003

Media Giant's Rally Sponsorship Raises Questions
by T!m J0nes

Some of the biggest rallies this month have endorsed President Bush's
strategy against Saddam Hussein, and the common thread linking most
of them is Clear Channel Worldwide Inc., the nation's largest owner
of radio stations.

In a move that has raised eyebrows in some legal and journalistic
circles, Clear Channel radio stations in Atlanta, Cleveland, San
Antonio, Cincinnati and other cities have sponsored rallies attended
by up to 20,000 people. The events have served as a loud rebuttal to
the more numerous but generally smaller anti-war rallies.

The sponsorship of large rallies by Clear Channel stations is unique
among major media companies, which have confined their activities in
the war debate to reporting and occasionally commenting on the news.
The San Antonio-based broadcaster owns more than 1,200 stations in 50
states and the District of Columbia.

While labor unions and special interest groups have organized and
hosted rallies for decades, the involvement of a big publicly
regulated broadcasting company breaks new ground in public
demonstrations.

"I think this is pretty extraordinary," said former Federal
Communications Commissioner Glen Robinson, who teaches law at the
University of Virginia. "I can't say that this violates any of a
broadcaster's obligations, but it sounds like borderline
manufacturing of the news."

A spokeswoman for Clear Channel said the rallies, called "Rally for
America," are the idea of Glenn Beck, a Philadelphia talk show host
whose program is syndicated by Premier Radio Networks, a Clear
Channel subsidiary.

`Just patriotic rallies'

A weekend rally in Atlanta drew an estimated 20,000 people, with some
carrying signs reading "God Bless the USA" and other signs condemning
France and the group Dixie Chicks, one of whose members recently
criticized President Bush.

"They're not intended to be pro-military. It's more of a thank you to
the troops. They're just patriotic rallies," said Clear Channel
spokeswoman Lisa Dollinger.

Rallies sponsored by Clear Channel radio stations are scheduled for
this weekend in Sacramento, Charleston, S.C., and Richmond, Va.
Although Clear Channel promoted two of the recent rallies on its
corporate Web site, Dollinger said there is no corporate directive
that stations organize rallies.

"Any rallies that our stations have been a part of have been of their
own initiative and in response to the expressed desires of their
listeners and communities," Dollinger said.

Clear Channel is by far the largest owner of radio stations in the
nation. The company owned only 43 in 1995, but when Congress removed
many of the ownership limits in 1996, Clear Channel was quickly on
the highway to radio dominance. The company owns and operates 1,233
radio stations (including six in Chicago) and claims 100 million
listeners. Clear Channel generated about 20 percent of the radio
industry's $16 billion in 2001 revenues.

Size sparks criticism

The media giant's size also has generated criticism. Some recording
artists have charged that Clear Channel's dominance in radio and
concert promotions is hurting the recording industry. Congress is
investigating the effects of radio consolidation. And the FCC is
considering ownership rule changes, among them changes that could
allow Clear Channel to expand its reach.

Sen. Russell Feingold (D-Wis.) has introduced a bill that could halt
further deregulation in the radio industry and limit each company's
audience share and percent of advertising dollars. These measures
could limit Clear Channel's meteoric growth and hinder its future
profitability.

Jane Kirtley, a professor of media ethics and law at the University
of Minnesota, said the company's support of the Bush administration's
policy toward Iraq makes it "hard to escape the concern that this may
in part be motivated by issues that Clear Channel has before the FCC
and Congress."

Dollinger denied there is a connection between the rallies and the
company's pending regulatory matters.

Rick Morris, an associate professor of communications at Northwestern
University, said these actions by Clear Channel stations are a
logical extension of changes in the radio industry over the last 20
years, including the blurring of lines between journalism and
entertainment.

From a business perspective, Morris said, the rallies are a natural
fit for many stations, especially talk-radio stations where hosts
usually espouse politically conservative views.

"Nobody should be surprised by this," Morris said.

In 1987 the FCC repealed the Fairness Doctrine, which required
broadcasters to cover controversial issues in their community and to
do so by offering balancing views. With that obligation gone, Morris
said, "radio can behave more like newspapers, with opinion pages and
editorials."

"They've just begun stretching their legs, being more politically
active," Morris said.

g.cannon (gcannon), Thursday, 20 March 2003 23:07 (twenty-two years ago)


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