Some highlights:
"Don't forget, when appropriate use language like 'a Newstalk 1530 KFBK exclusive' 'a story you are only hearing on KFBK' or 'a story you heard first on KFBK'. Make sure we own being FIRST."
"Talk shows, find the right time to work local callers into the coverage. People will be angry, frightened - the emotion of America IS part of the story. Use it!"
"Start booking guests immediatelyK.regardless of the time. DO NOT worry about waking up people -- there's a war going on!"
"Talk shows are also a very important piece to the coverage puzzle. After the long form coverage dies down talk shows should live it and breathe it 24 hours a day. YOU CANNOT OVERKILL this story. It's like disc jockeys playing records. When the jock gets tired of it, the public is just getting warmed up. Stay focused and on Topic 'A'. Fresh angles, relentless promoting and pre-promoting. Talk shows are very important for the public just to vent at first."
Anything you think they left out?
― maura (maura), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 18:58 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― maura (maura), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:02 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:03 (twenty-two years ago)
Ok. I'll try to remember that.
― Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:04 (twenty-two years ago)
and look at this photo
http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20030211/i/1045001886.3758153799.jpg
― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:08 (twenty-two years ago)
and look at that photo
― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:09 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:11 (twenty-two years ago)
And it's highly worth mentioning that these same memos and mechanics are working behind CNN and any other major news agency as well. Next time you see something on CNN that makes you freak out, come back and read this memo.
― donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:33 (twenty-two years ago)
― Aaron W (Aaron W), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:41 (twenty-two years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:45 (twenty-two years ago)
― maura (maura), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:46 (twenty-two years ago)
― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:47 (twenty-two years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:53 (twenty-two years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:56 (twenty-two years ago)
― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:58 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sarah McLusky (coco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:58 (twenty-two years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 19:59 (twenty-two years ago)
― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:00 (twenty-two years ago)
― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:01 (twenty-two years ago)
And no, I don't see what's wrong with "use it" in the sense of a technical memo discussing how to assemble news coverage. "Use" is the word that is, umm, used to describe including something in media.
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:02 (twenty-two years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:03 (twenty-two years ago)
people don't die in regards to snickers bars!*
(*in the immediate)
― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:04 (twenty-two years ago)
I think you are desperately reading your larger opinions into a memo that does not contain them. The memo does not say "use anger and fear to keep listener counts high." It says that "the emotion of America IS part of the story" and that it should be included. This is a memo for an organization that has to plot out how they are going to approach covering something: that line reminds and encourages staff to cover a particular aspect of the story. That is all.
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:08 (twenty-two years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:09 (twenty-two years ago)
― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:10 (twenty-two years ago)
― Oops (Oops), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:13 (twenty-two years ago)
It's sick because it's the mercenary attitude they have about EVERYTHING ALL THE TIME. The WAR is the latest Furby or Capri pants or whatever and they have to fight for their share of the craze.
choice haha: "As Rivercats season approaches we need to make sure we are aware of our contractual obligations with regard to interruptions for news of this magnitude. We'll be proactive. Let's set a meeting with Rivercats now and make them aware of War or Terror attack plans? We MUST find a way interrupt for bulletins."
speechless.
― g.cannon (gcannon), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:14 (twenty-two years ago)
― g.cannon (gcannon), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:15 (twenty-two years ago)
― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)
― Oops (Oops), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:18 (twenty-two years ago)
Why is everyone so shocked that a news organization wants (gasp) listeners? We all know that when something like a war happens, people tune in to news like nuts. This memo says: "We must make sure we meet their expectations." Every business says this: when people are going to be consuming your product like nuts, you want to offer them a good product, in the hope that they'll continue choosing your product over its competitors.
Consider, again, the rhetorical alternative: "People will be consuming news like crazy. It is not at all important that we offer good coverage. Feel free to not take this seriously and do a lousy job."
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:18 (twenty-two years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:19 (twenty-two years ago)
― donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:20 (twenty-two years ago)
― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)
― Oops (Oops), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:21 (twenty-two years ago)
Jess: you might be misinterpreting "owning." News organizations want to have news first. This is, overall, a good thing: this is what makes them proactive about finding news and reporting it efficiently. Yes, sometimes it is a bad thing: it leads them to concoct or overblow news simply so they can have it "first." But generally speaking there is nothing wrong with wanting your news organization to be on top of breaking events!
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― g.cannon (gcannon), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:23 (twenty-two years ago)
― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:26 (twenty-two years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:26 (twenty-two years ago)
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:28 (twenty-two years ago)
― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:29 (twenty-two years ago)
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:30 (twenty-two years ago)
Point well taken. I know that this is Clear Channel, and that every other media outlet is similarly plotting to "own" war coverage. But I would prefer to see "It is our duty as a news organization to report accurate information, and to not confuse emotion or attitude with verified news." Local and expert voices and perspectives have their value in this context, but the Clear Channel memo reeks of hype for hype's sake.
― j.lu (j.lu), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:31 (twenty-two years ago)
I dunno. I need to look at that some more.
― Yanc3y (ystrickler), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)
― James Blount (James Blount), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:35 (twenty-two years ago)
What's this "anymore" business? Didn't Hearst instigate a war in order to sell more newspapers about a hundred years ago? The news has always been a commodity. (Though not "just" a commodity.)
If you don't read (listen to, watch) the news while keeping in mind that it's a business, then you aren't reading it properly.
― Chris P (Chris P), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)
― Oops (Oops), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)
― jess (dubplatestyle), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:36 (twenty-two years ago)
Also: you guys seem to be arguing that the memo should include an admonishment to the people to "be good journalists." But this is an implied mission statement in any journalistic enterprise, and not what this memo is about: certainly the author could have said or stressed that, but it's not strictly a necessity.
Especially when the bulk of what I'm reading is stuff that has nothing to do with journalism, stuff like:
"If War breaks out after 10AM M-F please make sure that we call Joe and Jack to come in and take KSTE into long-form as well." -- great, cause if a war starts we'd like to have you cover it.
"After a major terror attack or after the war begins take all presidential addresses and public appearances." -- sure, cause if a war starts anything he says will probably be important.
"Editors, producers get to work on a 'war list' immediately. Make sure it includes local experts, sources, military types, other CC newsrooms around the country, network contacts etc. Cristi please coordinate this and make certain it is posted everywhere." -- that's a good organizational idea, so listeners can have informed commentary quickly.
"Make certain that you know how to bring CNN up on the boards of both KFBK and KSTE. They were first by a mile in 1991 during the Persian Gulf War and again on September 11th." -- wonderful, thanks for identifying the news leader and making sure it's available to us.
"Remember, don't do local just to do local. This is an international/national story and the nets do a great job. You will know when it is right and you have the right stories to use." -- yeah, use discretion in deciding on important information, that's good.
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:42 (twenty-two years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:47 (twenty-two years ago)
I was gonna say that news commodification isn't a recent thing but I got distracted. However, I think your statement above is a bit cynical. When Ben Franklin started his presses, did he do it ONLY to make a buck, or did he genuinely want to inform others about events?
Nabisco, as I am typing this I am looking at a poster thingee in my cubicle (it's in every cubicle) about how to act properly at work. It came from a HR director. Although I think this in particular is cheesy and ineffective, I think a big part of any director's job is to make sure his employees work under some code of ethics
― Oops (Oops), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:51 (twenty-two years ago)
You don't do that?
― Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 20:57 (twenty-two years ago)
Think about how this functions for an individual broadcaster. Imagine you're this broadcaster: you want to do a good job, and you want people to listen to you and like it. And here you're told: there's going to be a war, so be ready to handle it. Loads of people will be listening, and you want them to think you're the best and keep listening -- no business, no public service, no organization whatsoever can exist without having this basic level of wanting people to like and come back to their service, their product, their whatever. This is not so Satanic.
And Oops, yes, I understand what you're saying, and could certainly imagine an admonition in that memo to take all sorts of high roads. But it's not like every memo you get at work has that code of ethics written in, is it?
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:04 (twenty-two years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:06 (twenty-two years ago)
― Oops (Oops), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:10 (twenty-two years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:15 (twenty-two years ago)
And even that again ignores the technical nature of this memo. The author largely just tells his associates to run with the CNN feed. This is not a decision about "facts" so much: it's a decision about technical quality as much as reporting. CNN is unlikely to present wildly different "facts" than any other source, but it is likely to present them with different commentary and different production values. The presentation of information has nothing to do with "fact" and it is completely up to individual citizens to decide what presentation of information they'd like to be exposed to. This writer seems to think -- wisely, I'd say -- that listeners are going to get the information they want in the form they want from e.g. CNN.
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:22 (twenty-two years ago)
No, I don't think news agencies make up news. They let other people do that and then call in with 'facts'. They speculate. Take a look at the whole Scott Anderson thing. Nobody knows many facts, yet they get 'experts' on to speculate. Watch a full day of CNN or Fox and see how many bona-fide facts are presented and how much speculation is done.
― Oops (Oops), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:32 (twenty-two years ago)
In other words, I'm not sure what kind of news you're advocating: it sounds awfully like state-run televison to me.
Apologies for my bad typing: I said "non-profit public service" meaning not public as in federal but just a non-profit service to the public. Soup kitchens want to feed the needy soup. Debt counselors want to counsel people about debt. Any organization that creates itself to fulfill a particular mission wants to fulfill that mission, and they want people to be pleased with the way they've done so.
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:36 (twenty-two years ago)
I see now that any further discussion w/you is pointless.
― Oops (Oops), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:40 (twenty-two years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:43 (twenty-two years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:46 (twenty-two years ago)
― Chris P (Chris P), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:46 (twenty-two years ago)
I just don't like speculation being mixed into actual news. Esp. since the majority of news coverage is speculation. A few people hear that there may be a link between, let's say, coffee and jaundice. Someone tells a friends this speculation and it quickly becomes a 'fact' in need of debunking.It seems that the media specialize in half-truths. Like if a study comes out, they present it as fact and couldn't be bothered to explain the possible flaws in the study or tell you what peer review has to say about it.
Chris has a good point. They tend to only pick 'experts' who they or their target audience agree with.
― Oops (Oops), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:52 (twenty-two years ago)
The rise of expert commentary has everything to do with people consuming way more news now than ever before: in a 24-hour cable-news format there simply isn't enough hard news on topics that viewers want to hear about to fill out the day. What viewers want to hear after hard news is some sort of analysis of that news.
I'm mostly dismayed here by this idea that news media are supposed to serve as arbiters of truth and hard fact. Unfortunately there is no consistently applicable opinion about exactly what those things are: this is why we have a multiplicity of media available to us. That is the plan. They offer a multitude of voices, and it is, on some level, our job to sort through that information as we choose.
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 21:54 (twenty-two years ago)
In other words, when we talk about news as a commodity it's within our power to decide how that commodity is going to be judged. If we think of news as an "entertainment" commodity and tune in as such, the market will make it one. But if we think of news as a news commodity -- if we decide what news to consume based on its offering us information with the hard integrity you guys seem to be asking for -- then that's how the market will operate. Right now I think it's a mix of the two, and yeah, the mix gets a bit off sometimes, and yeah, problems in it can tend to be self-reinforcing. But it strikes me as dangerous to start taking the position that people shouldn't be allowed to choose the information they want to.
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:01 (twenty-two years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:10 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:11 (twenty-two years ago)
This is the problem. Too much time to fill, not enough news. Before CNN had any competition, they would just relay the same 'facts' over and over. People didn't watch religiously but would tune in as they would tune into the weather channel. There's less speculation on the Weather Channel than FoxNews:)
You're right, it should be the viewer/listener's job to sort things out and decide for themselves. But realistically, most people don't do this, they get there news from one or two sources, and take all they hear as fact. In this sense, I don't give people as much credit as you do. But, it seems that you aren't giving people much credit either if you think that people need to have their news analyzed in order to fully understand and appreciate its significance/connsequences.I think we agree that there needs to be more personal responsibility. Can we also agree that this is unlikely to occur? We seem to be on a downward spiral, with entertainment/sensationalism nibbling away at journalistic integrity little by little.
― Oops (Oops), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:11 (twenty-two years ago)
A P-1 is the guy who has yr station set on his car and at home, also at work if possible, who listens all the time. The P-1s are yr targeted customer base when you describe yr station's "angle" to ad buyers (I think)
a 'cumer' is a person you include as part of yr cumulative listener total - people who have yr station as a preset in the car etc. whom you can count when you tell ad buyers '560K listeners in the metro area'
I'm just really glad today was the last day of WAMU's membership drive - I can now listen to Morning Edition and Marketplace without constantly hearing about 18002488850 and www.wamu.org and the grundig shortwave radio or the logo Tshirt or the canvas "Beltway Bag".
Clear Channel is awful shit intended for retards. Why do you care?
― Millar (Millar), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:19 (twenty-two years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:20 (twenty-two years ago)
I think what people may be recoiling at is the shoddiness of Clear Channel's coverage (and the shoddiness of commercial news coverage in the US in general)--what may be read back into this memo on the basis of the imagined results. Which is different than objecting to the words in the memo itself.
― Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:22 (twenty-two years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:25 (twenty-two years ago)
― Amateurist (amateurist), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:28 (twenty-two years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 12 February 2003 22:46 (twenty-two years ago)
Goebbels to thread plz
― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 13 February 2003 00:28 (twenty-two years ago)
< /hyperboleintendedtopointoutdepressinglydefeatistattitudestowardsthemassmedia>
― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 13 February 2003 00:29 (twenty-two years ago)
― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 13 February 2003 00:35 (twenty-two years ago)
― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 13 February 2003 00:37 (twenty-two years ago)
But if the news has gotten more "entertainmentized" over the past 25 years (which I'm not sure is true), there are three things you can blame: You can blame the news media, who decide to be more entertainy in order to bring in the money; you can blame the [capitalist] system that encourages news media to give the people what they want; or you can blame the people, for wanting entertainment instead of news because they find facts boring.
Most people on this thread seem to be taking the first route, and saying that Clear Channel is awful; Nabisco seems (I could be wrong) to be taking the third route, saying that if people wanted news-based news (rather than entertainment-based news) then they'd get it; at the same time, he's grappling with the middle route, and whether you can really blame the media for doing their job.
That's what it looks like to me; I might be miles off-base.
― Chris P (Chris P), Thursday, 13 February 2003 01:00 (twenty-two years ago)
Also, to defend Clear Channel as bringers of multiplicity of viewpoints is just fucked.
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 13 February 2003 11:31 (twenty-two years ago)
Jess, I tried clarifying this with Tracer but I guess not enough. I'm not saying that people here are advocating restricted media -- what I'm saying is that the particular ways in which they're attacking current media actually do function as criticisms of the very basis of a free press. Look upthread: you'll find people basically saying that news organizations shouldn't strive to have viewers, and that everyday people's choices as to what they want out of their news shouldn't matter. I can agree with the pointing-out of a lot of flaws in current media but still believe this is a really bad line of rhetoric to take in attacking them: intended or not, it's an assault on one of the founding principles of the idea of a free press.
― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 13 February 2003 16:29 (twenty-two years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 13 February 2003 16:32 (twenty-two years ago)
― Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 13 February 2003 17:18 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 13 February 2003 17:33 (twenty-two years ago)
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 13 February 2003 17:34 (twenty-two years ago)
Instead we have a press that is beholden to report factual information, but beyond that can present whatevers set of facts or analyses it desires. What, then, organizes which sets of facts and interpretations people consume? In our model of a free press, the answer is ostensible "the people themselves" -- anyone is free to offer us any set of information (so long as it's not demonstrably untrue), and it's in our hands to decide which particular ones we want to consume. That's the import of the viewer's choice.
The problem, obviously, is that we have no way of validating what we're told or how it's interpreted: the whole reason we need "news" is because we can't go out ourselves and confirm the truth of what we're hearing. Our model of a free press tries to solve that problem as follows: as with politics, we have the opportunity to expose ourselves to different information from different viewpoints, and to hold them up to one another for comparison and confirmation. Then we make our choices. And while news-consumers are going to have a tendency to want to hear news that reinforces their own beliefs, that tells them what they want to hear, this whole system is based on some bedrock faith that when people want "news" about the world around them they also want that news to be TRUE (and "useful," which is to say -- "true," or at least unbiased enough that one can discuss events with others without looking like a loony; this is why, with the exception of Fox News, major news outlets do not have slants big enough for the information they present to be conversationally incompatible with news from elsewhere).
Anyway there was a lot of rhetoric above about how people shouldn't enjoy or want news and how news organizations shouldn't care whether people consume their product or not. (In ILM terms this argument would function so differently.) That's what I see as a weird shot at the basis of a free press, which is that it should be primarily people's decision that something is worth consuming that recommends it: this is the only way to avoid appointing some entity to arbitrate not only what "truth" is but which truths are important. And notice how this functions outside of capitalism: regardless of what people spend money on, I guarantee you they by and large know that Jim Lehrer's news is a better product than Geraldo's.
― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 13 February 2003 17:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 13 February 2003 17:51 (twenty-two years ago)
And hell yes, part of me wants to agree with you, and I'll take BBC World News or Jim Lehrer over MS-NBC or Fox cable news ANY DAY OF THE FRIGGIN WEEK but I'm just trying to be the (apparently lone) explainer here of why our particular free-press model doesn't run that way.
Colin: why, because people are stupid they can't make rational decisions about what radio station to turn the dial to, what channel to flip to? I half agree with you but in defense of this model I think our founding fathers would have said something like FUCK YOU YOU ROYALIST ELITIST.
― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 13 February 2003 17:54 (twenty-two years ago)
― oops (Oops), Thursday, 13 February 2003 17:55 (twenty-two years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 13 February 2003 17:56 (twenty-two years ago)
― Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:03 (twenty-two years ago)
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:10 (twenty-two years ago)
Andrew, are you Uday Hussein?
Also Sterling: I was just thinking that might be an artificial dichotomy you're creating between "want" and "need." The whole reason this leg of this discussion started up was that line in the memo that basically says "loads of people will tune in if there's a war -- let's keep them listening." I guarantee you that every comparable NPR director is saying exactly the same things to his or her staff -- NPR gives you what you "need," but it works on the assumption that some people "want" what you think they "need." Please don't imagine that any person working at an NPR station isn't eager to do a bang-up job and have every person who tunes in love it and stay tuned in forever and ever, and don't imagine that their internal memos say any different. The issue here is that most of you are reading from experience into how Clear Channel affiliates would try to keep people around -- but that doesn't make the "keep people around" instinct a bad one!
― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:18 (twenty-two years ago)
Also, the Founding Fathers must be in the top-five of "dead people that wish people would stop extrapolating their opinions". Just below Muhammed and Jesus
― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:19 (twenty-two years ago)
And I also think you're forgetting that in many markets CC is already forcefeeding people opinions, albeit not as overtly as, say, The Nation or The Washington Monthly; that idelogical dominance is justified by the market-populist arguments that were also used as the justification for their station binge that turned them into what they are today.
I mean, do you think that all news should just be a bunch of people screaming at each other, hurling unsubstantiated insults, because that's what sells to demographically desirable types? Is that all that matters anymore?
Also: I know all too well the "give the people what they want" argument, but you're leaving out the crucial variable of train-wrecks; of course people (on both ideological sides) are going to pay more attention to shooting-at-the-mouth gasbags like Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh, because it's the same "what will they say next?" curiosity that keeps people listening to Howard Stern. And if anything, I find market-populist arguments more elitist than the ones wishing for something more, you know, civilized in the public discourse; those arguments are usually trotted out to defend the pushing of lower culture on a populace that (a) the people making the deciding have had little actual contact with and (b) those decision-makers have a "let them eat cake" about, because they're the great Midwestern unwashed/a bunch of snobby East Coast types/[insert your favorite generalization here]. "Well, hey, it's what they want, so give it to them, they don't know what else is out there and why should we show them if it's going to be any sort of risk for us?" That to me is a lot more offensive than people being offended by this hot pink economy's constant drive to equate louder with better and leave anything of substance by the roadside.
(And I'm going to also go out on a limb and say that the callers CC picks on its call-in shows to illustrate the anger and fear going on will be more angry at "the enemy" than about the war itself -- after all, look at the "America's War" branding strategy they're going with, and the tendency of that company to phase out the shows of DJs who lean even slightly left.)
― maura (maura), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:21 (twenty-two years ago)
It's the role of the free press to ask that question -- it is not the role of the free press to make money for shareholders.
― Colin Meeder (Mert), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:24 (twenty-two years ago)
(a) If the forces you describe are really powerful enough to stomp all over any iota of agency individuals might have to find and consume "good" news, why is news not 30 times more ridiculous than it is now? Why isn't Ann Coulter co-hosting CBS nightly news? In the nude? With Howard Stern? Would people watch that?
(b) What else are you going to do?
― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:28 (twenty-two years ago)
This is part of my problem here: you guys are talking as if people are so ridiculously stupid that they will always prefer made-up cartoon bikini news to actual fact. You're ignoring the fact that on some level people tune into news to hear news, as well, and any outlet that doesn't give them a sufficient amount of it is going to loose their attention!
― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:31 (twenty-two years ago)
Patience, my boy, patience
― oops (Oops), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:31 (twenty-two years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:32 (twenty-two years ago)
I think there's a sense among "worthy" news sources that they don't WANT to reach out -- a self-congratulatory insularity and refusal to ENGAGE. Also a refusal to acknowledge that they ARE on a mission, and not just better at being informed and impartial.
I'm not v. happy with what clear-channel will be doing with their Iraq coverage but then neither do I want to particularly lobby clearchannel about it. I think yr. right -- the newssources do what they do, and the job is to establish news from a difft. standpoint and MAKE IT ACCESSABLE and make it WANT to reach out to people.
so i'm not saying "force-feed" but rather that that's impossible -- i'm saying, convence 'em that they want it, draw 'em in AND make 'em stay, and to do that you have to start with an agenda.
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:38 (twenty-two years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:46 (twenty-two years ago)
and see, i think the funny thing is that no one on this thread would necessarily dispute that, just that we've been disputing clear channel's possible (eventual?) agenda. nitsuh's overly literal reading of maura's initial post on (ooh, lookit them bad corporate types with their "Internal Memos") has been him battering around marketing chestnuts, when - and i can only speak for me but probably maura too since we were talking about this before she even posted the thread - we were very explicitly reading clear channel's history and practices into the language of this memo.
― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:47 (twenty-two years ago)
― jess (dubplatestyle), Thursday, 13 February 2003 18:49 (twenty-two years ago)
By the way, Maura, on the market populism front: back when Tom Frank was going around on it I was at a reading of his here. At some point he made some deeply unparseable comment about the intelligence of average people and consumers, so I asked him, basically: what is your opinion on the actions and intelligence of the average person? And he just shrugged and said "that's not really something that concerns me much." I have been a bit pissed off at him ever since, because so much of his work concerns supposedly manipulations of or myths fed to this average-consumer populous but never ever bothers to think about what that actual populous wants or gets or chooses.
Okay, quiet now.
― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 13 February 2003 19:55 (twenty-two years ago)
nabisco i am not the one assuming that people will only look at news if it has bikinis. but i don't think you can argue that bikini-clad anything -- look at the freaking national geographic swimsuit issue, although i'm using the bikini as more of a metaphor here, but still, i think that's a prime example -- is the order of the day; how is my discomfort with this the equivalent of 'oh people will only read this, tsk tsk'?? -- i'm more bemoaning the lowest-common-denominator impulses of financiers and suits who think they know what the people want because they have the metrics and charts to back it up, even though they have probably never talked to the people they supposedly 'know.' i don't know why t. frank answered your question in the matter that he did, because i have thought about what people want a lot; of course it's a tricky thing to put your finger on, depending on which focus-grouping company you ask and which questions you ask to that group. i think that truthfully it's impossible to know what the 'average person' wants in a lot of ways, but i also think that too many shortcuts are being taken by a lot of people, and i don't think it's wrong to say that yes this bothers me.
(this whole discussion is making me think too about the constant battles over tv shows that are critically acclaimed, yet get canceled first.)
― maura (maura), Thursday, 13 February 2003 20:02 (twenty-two years ago)
Haha ironically (not really, but then everyone misuses it, or maybe really i dunno anymore) the cheapo free tabloids launched by the chicago papers (red eye and red streak) are WAAAY more sympathetic to anti-war types than the normal versions of the papers. In fact, they're nearly positively anti-war in editorial tilt.
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 13 February 2003 20:11 (twenty-two years ago)
― nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 13 February 2003 20:12 (twenty-two years ago)
― maura (maura), Thursday, 13 February 2003 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)
i can pretty much say this authoritatively, too, because in my former temp-iteration i was basically a voicetracker, picking 'the best' restaurants in places i'd never been to like grand rapids. (other people in my capacity would take the easy way out and pick places like applebee's, augh) of course these features got pageviews; when someone types in a cityname on [insert name of large online service here] you get redirected right to where i work, which means you have something of a lock on traffic. but were they really useful to the community? well, how hard is it to find an applebee's or a chili's on a major road?
― maura (maura), Thursday, 13 February 2003 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)
No real edge to it, just that they seem to know they exist for a demo which is comfortably jaundiced about the bush gang and the war, and play to that.
― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Thursday, 13 February 2003 20:34 (twenty-two years ago)
Even NPR news, as much as I like it more than CNN/MSNBC/etc, kinda follows the same corporate guidelines to appease their audience.. it's just delivered more conservatively, "intelligently", and more left of center.
Yes, free press is nice. But, especially with the advent of the net, it's just now easier than ever to access the news you want to hear. Seattle hippies are all gonna read the same left-wing conspiracy websites, and Orange County libertarians are always going to read the OC Register and other sites that appeal to their idea of what's right and what's wrong. etc. etc. etc. A decade or so ago, this notion may have seemed idealistic, but it's turned out to not offer as much challenge or debate as people hoped.
But at least, you can choose which horribly biased news outlet you read. And of course, a minority of people who don't like to fall into a convenient hole will exist surely. And there are a few sites that are extremely academic, analytical, and politically neutral.. but then again, even they have to cull the stories, so some bias will always exist. (Stratfor is a good example.. hope I didn't get the name wrong)
It boils down to which poison you want. Goverment controlled news? or corporately controlled news? Or both? Or neither?
Now back to the original topic on hand, my problem with the memo wasn't with the general mechanisms of corporate media as much as seeing firsthand a document produced by someone who has been so desensitized and presumably unmoved by the dire events that are very possibly about to happen. That mindset just makes me ill. I'm glad I saw the memo, because it's a great analogy to keep in mind the next time I see another threat alert or story meant to instill fear.
Overall, it's just a reminder that the very powerful people who do control the media in this country are doing their job, in relation to this war and terrorism, in a way that's ultimately destructive. (Then again, I wasn't around during the media frenzy surrounding the Cuban missile crisis.. perhaps it was even worse then)
― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 13 February 2003 21:15 (twenty-two years ago)
CNNNPRPBS/The Newshour with Jim LehrerCNN - Newsnight with Aaron BrownBBCNews World International, including "The National" With Peter MansbridgeWebsites: The New York Times; the Washington Post; the Wall Street Journal; CNN; BBC.
Still too western-oriented, I'm afraid.
― I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Thursday, 13 February 2003 21:46 (twenty-two years ago)
― oops (Oops), Thursday, 13 February 2003 21:48 (twenty-two years ago)
― I'm Passing Open Windows (Ms Laura), Thursday, 13 February 2003 21:54 (twenty-two years ago)
― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Thursday, 13 February 2003 21:58 (twenty-two years ago)
(i hope you get the ref)
― donut bitch (donut), Thursday, 13 February 2003 22:01 (twenty-two years ago)
― oops (Oops), Thursday, 13 February 2003 22:07 (twenty-two years ago)
― maura (maura), Thursday, 13 February 2003 22:08 (twenty-two years ago)
Ch1c4g0 Tr1bun3 - March 19, 2003
Media Giant's Rally Sponsorship Raises Questions by T!m J0nes
Some of the biggest rallies this month have endorsed President Bush's strategy against Saddam Hussein, and the common thread linking most of them is Clear Channel Worldwide Inc., the nation's largest owner of radio stations.
In a move that has raised eyebrows in some legal and journalistic circles, Clear Channel radio stations in Atlanta, Cleveland, San Antonio, Cincinnati and other cities have sponsored rallies attended by up to 20,000 people. The events have served as a loud rebuttal to the more numerous but generally smaller anti-war rallies.
The sponsorship of large rallies by Clear Channel stations is unique among major media companies, which have confined their activities in the war debate to reporting and occasionally commenting on the news. The San Antonio-based broadcaster owns more than 1,200 stations in 50 states and the District of Columbia.
While labor unions and special interest groups have organized and hosted rallies for decades, the involvement of a big publicly regulated broadcasting company breaks new ground in public demonstrations.
"I think this is pretty extraordinary," said former Federal Communications Commissioner Glen Robinson, who teaches law at the University of Virginia. "I can't say that this violates any of a broadcaster's obligations, but it sounds like borderline manufacturing of the news."
A spokeswoman for Clear Channel said the rallies, called "Rally for America," are the idea of Glenn Beck, a Philadelphia talk show host whose program is syndicated by Premier Radio Networks, a Clear Channel subsidiary.
`Just patriotic rallies'
A weekend rally in Atlanta drew an estimated 20,000 people, with some carrying signs reading "God Bless the USA" and other signs condemning France and the group Dixie Chicks, one of whose members recently criticized President Bush.
"They're not intended to be pro-military. It's more of a thank you to the troops. They're just patriotic rallies," said Clear Channel spokeswoman Lisa Dollinger.
Rallies sponsored by Clear Channel radio stations are scheduled for this weekend in Sacramento, Charleston, S.C., and Richmond, Va. Although Clear Channel promoted two of the recent rallies on its corporate Web site, Dollinger said there is no corporate directive that stations organize rallies.
"Any rallies that our stations have been a part of have been of their own initiative and in response to the expressed desires of their listeners and communities," Dollinger said.
Clear Channel is by far the largest owner of radio stations in the nation. The company owned only 43 in 1995, but when Congress removed many of the ownership limits in 1996, Clear Channel was quickly on the highway to radio dominance. The company owns and operates 1,233 radio stations (including six in Chicago) and claims 100 million listeners. Clear Channel generated about 20 percent of the radio industry's $16 billion in 2001 revenues.
Size sparks criticism
The media giant's size also has generated criticism. Some recording artists have charged that Clear Channel's dominance in radio and concert promotions is hurting the recording industry. Congress is investigating the effects of radio consolidation. And the FCC is considering ownership rule changes, among them changes that could allow Clear Channel to expand its reach.
Sen. Russell Feingold (D-Wis.) has introduced a bill that could halt further deregulation in the radio industry and limit each company's audience share and percent of advertising dollars. These measures could limit Clear Channel's meteoric growth and hinder its future profitability.
Jane Kirtley, a professor of media ethics and law at the University of Minnesota, said the company's support of the Bush administration's policy toward Iraq makes it "hard to escape the concern that this may in part be motivated by issues that Clear Channel has before the FCC and Congress."
Dollinger denied there is a connection between the rallies and the company's pending regulatory matters.
Rick Morris, an associate professor of communications at Northwestern University, said these actions by Clear Channel stations are a logical extension of changes in the radio industry over the last 20 years, including the blurring of lines between journalism and entertainment.
From a business perspective, Morris said, the rallies are a natural fit for many stations, especially talk-radio stations where hosts usually espouse politically conservative views.
"Nobody should be surprised by this," Morris said.
In 1987 the FCC repealed the Fairness Doctrine, which required broadcasters to cover controversial issues in their community and to do so by offering balancing views. With that obligation gone, Morris said, "radio can behave more like newspapers, with opinion pages and editorials."
"They've just begun stretching their legs, being more politically active," Morris said.
― g.cannon (gcannon), Thursday, 20 March 2003 23:07 (twenty-two years ago)