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Norah Jones is not that Good, also Tom, would you like my cleaned up, and edited real time notes on this years list?

― anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 24 February 2003 07:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Which good is she then?

― Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 24 February 2003 07:35 (twenty-two years ago)

she is the good which isnt good.

― anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 24 February 2003 07:53 (twenty-two years ago)

The grammy's are a ridiculous and meretricous bag of plastic jewelry and dogshit

― Mike Hanle y (mike), Monday, 24 February 2003 08:10 (twenty-two years ago)

And Norah Jones really isn't that good.

― Lara (Lara), Monday, 24 February 2003 08:14 (twenty-two years ago)

And has possibly the most boring name in the music industry.

― Lara (Lara), Monday, 24 February 2003 08:14 (twenty-two years ago)

why do people care at all about the grammys?

― Justyn Dillingham (Justyn Dillingham), Monday, 24 February 2003 08:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Norah Batty, on the other hand.....

― MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 24 February 2003 09:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Great line in woolly hats and the most shapely ankles on television.

― Lara (Lara), Monday, 24 February 2003 09:17 (twenty-two years ago)

SHE'S NOT THAT BAD EITHER SO WOULD EVERYBODY PLEASE SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT HER??

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 24 February 2003 09:21 (twenty-two years ago)

She is pretty bad, though?

― Lara (Lara), Monday, 24 February 2003 09:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Not so much bad as...neutral? She's like the color beige.

― Girolamo Savonarola, Monday, 24 February 2003 09:26 (twenty-two years ago)

It's all ankles with you, Byrne.

― Mark C (Mark C), Monday, 24 February 2003 09:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Well, they do sit just above the *shoes*.

― Lara (Lara), Monday, 24 February 2003 09:29 (twenty-two years ago)

LEAVE IT TO ILM TO TAKE A PERFECTLY OKAY AND SEMI-IGNORABLE ARTIST AND MAKE ME DESPISE HER FOR MERELY EXISTING AND GIVING YOU LOT SOMETHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT CEASELESSLY!!

I mean, gawd.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 24 February 2003 09:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Jody our standards are just far, far too high.

― Lara (Lara), Monday, 24 February 2003 09:32 (twenty-two years ago)

Right.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 24 February 2003 09:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Is Jody drunk?

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 24 February 2003 09:36 (twenty-two years ago)

I wish I was. 0936 is far too early to be sober.

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 24 February 2003 09:36 (twenty-two years ago)

High on life, baby.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 24 February 2003 09:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Er. Norah Jones **is** rubbish. Do you like her? She's shit. Vanessa Carlton could beat her in a fight any day.

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:08 (twenty-two years ago)

Starry is right. Mostly. I really don't think she should have introduced Vanessa Carlton into proceedings.

― Lara (Lara), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:12 (twenty-two years ago)

SHE IS DULL. FUCK THE POP SHIT, ITS THE SIMPLE FACT THAT SHE IS DULL, ENDLESSLY DULL, BANAL AND DULL.

dull as dishwater
dull as vaginal sex with yr wife of 50 yrs.
dull as the art in hotels.
dull as red desert.

dull is unforgiveable.

― anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:18 (twenty-two years ago)

''unforgiveable''?!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:19 (twenty-two years ago)

She's almost as bad as Coldplay.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:21 (twenty-two years ago)

did you see the grammies, it was whitebread snoozefest.

― anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:22 (twenty-two years ago)

Vanessa Carlton = the hip neu face of piano led dancehall!

Seriously! I have a whole theory on this. It mostly involves me going "biddly biddly bong DO YOU SEE" but it does not work on the webternet, only in a pub.

Good old Coldplay.

I have no idea what a Norah Jones song sounds like but I know it's rubbish bcz I heard it once and have forgotten it. Then again, these American women are all the same to me unless they are riding pianners through the streets of new york hooray for Vanessa Carlton!

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I am mostly annoyed with Norah Jones cos she won a Brit Award despite no-one in Britain having ever heard of her. Neither did she even turn up! I want Miss Dynamite to give her a "wedgie".

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:26 (twenty-two years ago)

What is the sound of one knee jerking?

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:27 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't know, what is a "wedgie"?

(NB I actually know this)

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:29 (twenty-two years ago)

did i mention she was boring ?

― anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:30 (twenty-two years ago)

JBR I think it sounds like this!!!

"GgccccchURK!"

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:30 (twenty-two years ago)

did i mention this thread is boring?

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:31 (twenty-two years ago)

It's the most interesting thread this morning, apart from the eBay one. Did you see Ed is selling a crip?!!

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:34 (twenty-two years ago)

I need the money.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:35 (twenty-two years ago)

with or w/o his crutches?

― MarkH (MarkH), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I hope you have a lot of bubble wrap bcz the buyer will be really angry if a leg has dropped off in transit!

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:37 (twenty-two years ago)

Replace "Norah Jones" with "Vanessa Carlton" in all posts above save Jody's, add screams of terror, and we'll have come some way toward correcting the imbalance propogated by the strangely vitriolic ILM Norah-hatas.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:38 (twenty-two years ago)

this thread is not that good

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:39 (twenty-two years ago)

redunant this-thread-is- jokes are not that--

ow.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Jody doesn't like us hatas. Actually I am not a Norah hata, just a dislikah. I am currently a hata of quiche, my job and CMC! Each time I see it I am reminded of CNC music factory and that grebt episode of Blossom where CNC Music Factory taught Blossom and Six how to dance, but alas it is only a pisspoor attempt at dance music featuring an ex-opera singer in a silly hat. Doh!

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh - I forgot about ILM. (hey I sense a tribute track for the ILx comp!)

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Amateurist just turned on the radio and heard Alicia Keyes.

― Lara (Lara), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:42 (twenty-two years ago)

Who the hell is Norah Jones? (ok, don't answer that seriously) Anthony, what do you think of Diana Krall?

― Kim (Kim), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:43 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't wait for the new Strokes album. Because the Norah-hate just isn't deafening enough.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:44 (twenty-two years ago)

Ugumph! Alicia Keys! Shhh Lara else she will be after us with her gansta luvvahs!

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:45 (twenty-two years ago)

re: Norah Jones
http://www.wildcountrymaple.com/tap.jpg

id tap it!

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Ok then Jody, tell us why she is good!

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I did, on like three other I-hate-Norah threads.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:47 (twenty-two years ago)

Are they on ILM? I just keep on forgetting about ILM. This is my first Norah-dislike thread. I think I am doing quite well for my first outing...

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe there should just be an I Hate Norah board.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:49 (twenty-two years ago)

From Amazon:

Customers who bought titles by Norah Jones also bought titles by these artists:

Eva Cassidy
Gretchen Lieberum
Cassandra Wilson
Diana Krall
Charlie Hunter

Kids - the revolution has started, it's time to take up arms!

― Lara (Lara), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:51 (twenty-two years ago)

charlie hunter is pretty grebt

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:52 (twenty-two years ago)

WTFICH?

― Lara (Lara), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:53 (twenty-two years ago)

i agree with Jody, hatin' on Norah is like hatin' on Ribena or something...

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:54 (twenty-two years ago)

More people should be called Gretchen though!

Eva knobbing Cassidy.

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:55 (twenty-two years ago)

NJ is not as interesting as her dad

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:57 (twenty-two years ago)

My workmate likes her and she has impeccably boring taste. I very seriously mean that as a compliment. I can't fathom why she would offend anyone. I know, someone will come racing with "Bah! It's because she's so inoffensive...." Balderdash! There is no harm in being inoffensive. I don't want everyone up in my face all the goddam time. Lara's "haha the revolution" comment cinches it for me. I am a counterrevolutionary. I will force-feed you Wodehouse and Eric Rohmer and then off to the firing squads.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:57 (twenty-two years ago)

WTFICH

he's this cat that plays this really weird guitar with like 8 strings or somethin. he used to play for free near me all the time and i lurved it man he was fantastic to watch play.
http://www.michiganmike.com/images/charliehunter.jpg

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:58 (twenty-two years ago)

I hate him already.

― Lara (Lara), Monday, 24 February 2003 10:59 (twenty-two years ago)

no hes good youd like it. hes not flashy or anything he just likes lpayin bass and lead at the same time you dig?

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 24 February 2003 11:00 (twenty-two years ago)

I almost certainly don't dig, I'm afraid.

― Lara (Lara), Monday, 24 February 2003 11:02 (twenty-two years ago)

He is muso wank, chaki, and you know it (NJ sings on one of his rotten recs)

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Monday, 24 February 2003 11:03 (twenty-two years ago)

i dunno maybe im just not seein it in a muso wank sense then. i mean i really enjoy the way jazz guitar sounds especially done well. i have no other agenda i promise. and i dont think norah or charlie do either.

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 24 February 2003 11:06 (twenty-two years ago)

ps if you google this norah will you please sing on one of my records?

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 24 February 2003 11:07 (twenty-two years ago)

NOW PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT JAZZ GUITAR!!

― Lara (Lara), Monday, 24 February 2003 11:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Mmmm, mice.

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 24 February 2003 11:13 (twenty-two years ago)

word. you ever hear george benson when he was young play on freddie hubbard's 'straight life' or 'miles in the sky' he was pretty sloppy and out! but so fun to listen to. funny how he ended up so slick. one of my favorite albums ever is kenny burrel's 'god bless the child' on cti. and of course everything wes m. played is perfect.

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 24 February 2003 11:15 (twenty-two years ago)

Bow to the grebtest album ever:

http://www.dragcity.com/catalog/records/dex5.html

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 24 February 2003 11:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I am not instantly repulsed by this and Niigata Snow sounds interesting but my mother told me to always be suspicious of men called Julio.

― Lara (Lara), Monday, 24 February 2003 11:40 (twenty-two years ago)

Good you're not replused by it.

And I am a boy!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 24 February 2003 11:42 (twenty-two years ago)

D Bailey?! now thats muso wankage!

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 24 February 2003 11:46 (twenty-two years ago)

There is an "avant-jazz/improv" record shop two doors down from CWN's new flat. I was extremely impressed/scared.

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 24 February 2003 11:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I think I may actually be physically allergic to jazz.

― Lara (Lara), Monday, 24 February 2003 11:53 (twenty-two years ago)

since lara is not insatntly replused by this it cannot be muso wankage.

''There is an "avant-jazz/improv" record shop two doors down from CWN's new flat. I was extremely impressed/scared.''

Does 'CWN' live near highgate sarah?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 24 February 2003 11:53 (twenty-two years ago)

''I think I may actually be physically allergic to jazz.''

Derek bailey isn't jazz lara. he would be repulsed by this 'accusation'.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 24 February 2003 11:54 (twenty-two years ago)

since lara is not insatntly replused by this it cannot be muso wankage.

Um, I wouldn't start a book on this.

― Lara (Lara), Monday, 24 February 2003 11:54 (twenty-two years ago)

That's the one!! As I peeked inside I thought "I shall indeed giggle if I see Julio there"... :)

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 24 February 2003 11:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Derek bailey isn't jazz lara. he would be repulsed by this 'accusation'.

I was referring to Starry's shop post. Speaking of DB though, does he play fancy guitar? I don't like it when guitarists get fancy.

― Lara (Lara), Monday, 24 February 2003 11:56 (twenty-two years ago)

Julio has a bunk in the basement.

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Monday, 24 February 2003 11:57 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha ha. My mother was right all along!

― Lara (Lara), Monday, 24 February 2003 11:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Jazza guitar done well != a norah jones backing track.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 24 February 2003 12:03 (twenty-two years ago)

get real.

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 24 February 2003 12:16 (twenty-two years ago)

Yeah, feel the vibe, man.

― Lara (Lara), Monday, 24 February 2003 12:17 (twenty-two years ago)

you cant make a sweeping statements like this and expect people to take you guys seriously.

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 24 February 2003 12:19 (twenty-two years ago)

I can't possibly be alone in never having heard a note of Norah Jones. I love it when the US contingent of ILM swings against an artist and a critical consensus that just doesn't really exist in the UK (see also Wilco), possibly because it baffles me so much.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 24 February 2003 12:22 (twenty-two years ago)

same thing happen with british artists. ive never heard so solid crew or sugababes.

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 24 February 2003 12:24 (twenty-two years ago)

I have seen one Norah Jones video with the sound turned down and THAT WAS ENOUGH.

― Lara (Lara), Monday, 24 February 2003 12:24 (twenty-two years ago)

the hatred i have for diana krall knows no bounds, i seek to destroy her and replace her watered down milque toast nonesense with something, anything that doesnt sound like a autowomen .

― anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 24 February 2003 13:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Ah you just call her an autowoman 'cause you saw her car commercial too many times!

― Kim (Kim), Monday, 24 February 2003 13:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Her live in Paris CD- more like live in whereever the fuck the npr truck pulled up next. Just to get some love in this room:
i really really like John Meyer.

― anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 24 February 2003 13:27 (twenty-two years ago)

The Norah Jones alb has been in the UK alb charts for months and months and months now - she is not an act who is much more popular 'abroad', sadly.

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Monday, 24 February 2003 13:29 (twenty-two years ago)

i've heard Norah Jones here and there in the UK - they played 'Don't Know Why' on the plane when I flew to Amsterdam as well - cliche alert you might say. i daren't call it 'easy jazz' or whatever but i personally don't see what there is to get so wound up about with ol' Norahchops myself - i thought 'Don't Know Why' was pleasant enough on first hearing although it did leave me wondering when the 'Misanthropy...Calvin Klein' voiceover was going to drop in

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 24 February 2003 13:29 (twenty-two years ago)

Norah Jones is a great singer who sings jazz-informed pop songs in a silky, seductive manner. If you don't like jazz-informed pop songs that lean heavily on the 1940s idea of a pop standard, then just admit that and stop whining about the fact that she does what she's doing incredibly well.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 24 February 2003 14:13 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, words cannot express how happy I am that she wons so many awards and AVRIL LASUCKFACE didn't.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 24 February 2003 14:14 (twenty-two years ago)

Dan, you're absolutely right, she is shit in the most superb manner!

― Lara (Lara), Monday, 24 February 2003 14:15 (twenty-two years ago)

The Grammys are utterly meaningless.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 24 February 2003 14:15 (twenty-two years ago)

LARA, THAT'S MY POINT; the gripe is with her entire genre.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 24 February 2003 14:17 (twenty-two years ago)

If you don't like jazz-informed pop songs that lean heavily on the 1940s idea of a pop standard

I don't mind that on general principle. I mind her efforts with same, though.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 February 2003 14:18 (twenty-two years ago)

Why?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 24 February 2003 14:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I know Dan. I comply. *waves white things about frantically*

― Lara (Lara), Monday, 24 February 2003 14:19 (twenty-two years ago)

Ya got me, Dan, it's the same reason why I like pop/punk but think Blink-182 eat. If I knew exactly WHY I liked and hated a lot of what I did, the world would be much clearer.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 February 2003 14:24 (twenty-two years ago)

''then just admit that and stop whining about the fact that she does what she's doing incredibly well.''

besides the fact that many ppl do things ''incredibly well'' we have to question the point of it. doing 1940s jazz satndards is not really good because it isn't the 40s anymore.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 24 February 2003 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

Julio, that's stupid. By that logic no one should do bach motets because we are no longer in the 18th century.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 24 February 2003 14:26 (twenty-two years ago)

BURN THEM!

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 24 February 2003 14:29 (twenty-two years ago)

You can do yr Bach motets and yr 40s-jazz-tinged pop, they just shouldn't give you Avril's Grammy for it.

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Monday, 24 February 2003 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

But Avril is a no-talent suckwad who deserves beatings, not awards.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 24 February 2003 14:30 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, didn't anyone else HEAR her last night? She was HORRIBLE.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 24 February 2003 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

i can see the point of doing new performances of compositions (especially if its live and not actually recorded) but basing compositions on outdated arrangements is a no-go area.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 24 February 2003 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

Actually Dan I've got to say that in the live performances they did at the Brits, Avrils (to my untrained ear) was one of the better ones... I'm sure vocally she's not breaking any new ground but compared to Pink...

― Sarah (starry), Monday, 24 February 2003 14:32 (twenty-two years ago)

But Avril is a no-talent suckwad who deserves beatings, not awards.

Hahahahaha

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 24 February 2003 14:33 (twenty-two years ago)

I mean, didn't anyone else HEAR her last night? She was HORRIBLE.

See my post about vocalists on award shows. Bad performance != bad singer.

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 24 February 2003 14:40 (twenty-two years ago)

oh, and

― Jody Beth Rosen (Jody Beth Rosen), Monday, 24 February 2003 14:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Oh Pink is *horrid*.

― Lara (Lara), Monday, 24 February 2003 14:42 (twenty-two years ago)

My mom likes Norah Jones.

― hstencil, Monday, 24 February 2003 14:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Avril actually sings okay live, unlike Pink - but Avril is still horrid, have you heard 'I'm With You' yet? won't someone think of the children?

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 24 February 2003 14:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Check out Taliban Dan bigging up beatin' on wimmin!

― Knoxsville Girl, Monday, 24 February 2003 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

see i really like 40s vocal jazz, adore much of that sort of whisper sing style, and i find tons of it interesting. i have rosemary clooney on as i type. norah isnt that, she is a mor bore.

― anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 24 February 2003 15:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Norah Jones did not exist a few months ago. Now she does. And for that, at least, if nothing else, then one, at least, admittedly, has to be, in a funny sort of non-ironic way, grateful for, at least, that. I see no need for pain and excitement in music. I sort of need to be comforted, like the Boss didn't in '75, but then, in a way, 9/11, sort of, hadn't, kind of, happened, you know, yet. So her song "Why Can't You Come," kind of, hey, relates to me, and that chick with whom I had a messy liaison after the Racing Cars gig at the Marquee in Feb '77. Also it sounds like, sort of, kind of, like, "Yesterday," and Macca, you know, you have to have a, like, soft spot for his genius, don't you?

― Dick Hornpipe, Monday, 24 February 2003 15:12 (twenty-two years ago)

No one said Pink wasn't horrid. Anyway, my verdict on Avril comes from NEVER seeing or hearing her give a good performance. plus I don't buy the awards show excuse because there are plenty of artists who perform in those conditions who don't have severe tuning problems (Jill Scott, Bono, Bruce Springsteen, Take Six, Alicia Keys, etc etc etc).

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 24 February 2003 15:22 (twenty-two years ago)

assault on the tyranny of western so-called tempering = punk!!

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 24 February 2003 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Bono is also a big arse and sounds like a whale birthing a tanker.

― Lara (Lara), Monday, 24 February 2003 15:24 (twenty-two years ago)

the bad-tempered klavier!! one-two-three-four!!

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 24 February 2003 15:25 (twenty-two years ago)

48 preludes and FUG U!!

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 24 February 2003 15:26 (twenty-two years ago)

mark can i have yr children ?

― anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 24 February 2003 15:29 (twenty-two years ago)

i like Dick Hornpipe's style

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 24 February 2003 15:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Well no, Norah Jones isn't Rosemary Clooney and, from what I've heard, she isn't really trying to be.

Bono is a pompous fool but he doesn't sing out of tune. Avril's shrill yelping and her jumping-up-and-down shtick and her complete disassociation with what she's doing onstage are contemptible.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 24 February 2003 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! There is no tune!!!

― Lara (Lara), Monday, 24 February 2003 15:41 (twenty-two years ago)

but she's making up her own scale so that's OK.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 24 February 2003 15:42 (twenty-two years ago)

The point isn't that there isn't a tune, the point is that the tune that's there is sung badly.

You know, I always chuckle when I see Alex in NYC shout "RAISE YOUR STANDARDS!" at people, but right now I REALLY know how he feels.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 24 February 2003 15:46 (twenty-two years ago)

and I always chuckle when you tell us that someone is singing badly when in fact they have not taken one singing class.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 24 February 2003 15:57 (twenty-two years ago)

(this may not apply to avril but it might apply to certain rock singers etc).

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 24 February 2003 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

You don't have to have taken a singing class to sing on pitch. There are tons and tons of singers who are testaments to that.

I understand Avril's pitch going when she starts jumping up and down (like a moron), but when she's standing there (like a bored zombie) singing into the mike without moving (a creepy "dead fish" expression on her face completely at odds with anything associated with her music; it's like all of Shania Twain's disdain for the spotlight is being channelled through Avril's weasel face) and she still can't hit the right note in a very melodic pop song, you have no right to a career (except of course when people hold you up as the ironic forerunner of punk music despite there not being a single iota of punk ethos in your songs or lyrics).

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 24 February 2003 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

you made this big point about being a 40s style chanteuse, and i dont see her coming from that tradtion at all, she is more of the tradition of confessional singer songwriters, and well thats tori (who has a brilliant voice, and can play piano but is wiggy) or fiona (who is brilliant as a pianist but is more then wiggy), see the wiggy at least makes it interesting and sometimes subversive (see bonnie and cyde 97 from tory), Norah-not so much.

― anthony easton (anthony), Monday, 24 February 2003 16:03 (twenty-two years ago)

I must resist the temptation to get Jazzist but the nora Jone Backing tracks are about as far as a small combo can get from jazz. OK I'll except that its 'Jazz informed pop'. But Jazz to me has to suggest the word. Impropvisational noodling does not a jazz record make. I'm not sure what the certain something is that makes something Jazz but Norah Jones and Band don't have it.

I am anti 99% of 'Jazz' vocalists and vocalists in general.

Shoot me now I'm writing about music.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 24 February 2003 16:04 (twenty-two years ago)

I made a big point about her being informed by that style, Anthony. There is a difference.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 24 February 2003 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Jesus, have you looked at the full list? There's a fucking grammy for SLEEVENOTES ferchrissakes!

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 24 February 2003 16:06 (twenty-two years ago)

There's a fucking grammy for SLEEVENOTES ferchrissakes!

Oh yes my friend. One of the worst examples was whoever won for the bumlick liner notes on Blood on the Tracks.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 February 2003 16:07 (twenty-two years ago)

''You don't have to have taken a singing class to sing on pitch. There are tons and tons of singers who are testaments to that.''

some do but if you can get away with it why should you?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 24 February 2003 16:09 (twenty-two years ago)

DON'T YOU PEOPLE LIKE JAZZ?!!!

― James Blount, Monday, 24 February 2003 16:10 (twenty-two years ago)

I would agree with you if Avril was as sloppy on record as she is live. Seeing as how she appears to have been Pro-Tooled to death in the studio, obviously someone thought it was important that she sing the melody written for her songs as opposed to a shouty approximation.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 24 February 2003 16:12 (twenty-two years ago)

Norah Joes is as credibly "jazz" as Avril is credibly "punk," which is to say....not at all.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 24 February 2003 16:14 (twenty-two years ago)

she's on bluenote!

― James Blount, Monday, 24 February 2003 16:18 (twenty-two years ago)

she jams with Threadgill! she's on like three David Murray albums!

― James Blount, Monday, 24 February 2003 16:19 (twenty-two years ago)

this lazily assumes that "jazz" and "punk" are necessarily good things.

― Saffron Park, Monday, 24 February 2003 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)

I love Jazz and this is my problem; If Nora Jones is Jazz I want to shoot myself.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 24 February 2003 16:20 (twenty-two years ago)

dig that crazy jazz!

― James Blount, Monday, 24 February 2003 16:23 (twenty-two years ago)

''this lazily assumes that "jazz" and "punk" are necessarily good things.''

what abt 'jazz-punk'.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 24 February 2003 16:23 (twenty-two years ago)

kuh-razy

― James Blount, Monday, 24 February 2003 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

jazz-punk is the food of gods.

― Marcello Carlin, Monday, 24 February 2003 16:25 (twenty-two years ago)

indeed it is!

come on: can anyone with money raise funds to bring a brotzmann/bailey duo to town? I need to see it.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 24 February 2003 16:31 (twenty-two years ago)

she's on bluenote!

So? Motherhead Bug was on Pow Wow Records....does that make them Dancehall?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Monday, 24 February 2003 16:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Jaco Pastorius made an alb called 'Punk Jazz'.

As I said on another thread, guitarist who plays on some of NJ's alb = Bill Frisell!

I'm not sure what Ed is on abt w/ this Jazz 'feel' thing - it gets called jazz, it IS jazz - there's plenty of bad jazz, as well as plenty of punk jazz, spaz jazz, hot jazz, cool jazz, trad jazz, dadrock jazz, jizz jazz etc.

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Monday, 24 February 2003 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

I do think Norah is more a pop musician than a jazz musician.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 24 February 2003 16:36 (twenty-two years ago)

its just a name. and all it tell you is where to find the record in the shop.

not something i get too hung up abt.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 24 February 2003 16:41 (twenty-two years ago)

its basically the point andrew is making.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 24 February 2003 16:42 (twenty-two years ago)

avril rules

haven't heard norah jones.

― jel -- (jel), Monday, 24 February 2003 17:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think that much of Norah Jones, but I don't hate her either. There are simply other vocal jazz albums I would rather listen to. I think Dan was right when he mentioned the idea of pop/jazz standards. Also, Jazz was pop music at certain points in history, and lets not forget all of the insipid string arrangements that used to play behind artists like Ella Fitzgerald. Many of Gershwin's songs were written as show tunes, and some of his songs only became standards after his death. I think Jones herself has admitted numerous times that she does not consider herself jazz at all. If I remember correctly, Blue Note signed her as a jazz artist, but, by the time she got to the studio, she had begun to like other genres more. Blue Note, by the way, is making a lot of money off of this album, which means that they can afford to re-release more of their back catalog. In that sense, Norah Jones is a blessing to jazz fans.

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Monday, 24 February 2003 18:44 (twenty-two years ago)

BLue note is owned Capitol so not exactly short of a few. I wish I could articulate why Ella Fitzgerald or Gershwin have that certain something that makes it Jazz and Jones doesn't. There is something intangible that just is missing in her inane muzak warblings.

― Ed (dali), Monday, 24 February 2003 18:49 (twenty-two years ago)

The something is tangible and it's called "improvization".

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 24 February 2003 18:50 (twenty-two years ago)

I only have one thing to say about Norah Jones:

Part of the melody from "Don't Know Why" sounds lifted from a Charlie Brown Christmas special song. Any music attorneys should jump on this.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 24 February 2003 18:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Vince Guaraldi's shade to thread!

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 February 2003 18:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Ed yes that is true but the sense that i get from cruising the blue note b-board is that blue note is rather autonomus and only gets to use the profit on blue note titles to re-release other blue note titles.

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Monday, 24 February 2003 18:54 (twenty-two years ago)

"Christmas time is here,
happiness and cheer,
fun for all that children
call their favorite time of year."

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Monday, 24 February 2003 19:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Norah Jones = Madeleine Peyroux fixed in a lab for mainstream palatability.

― TMFTML (TMFTML), Monday, 24 February 2003 19:06 (twenty-two years ago)

Wait... she's Ravi Shankar's daughter! She can't be ALL bad.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Monday, 24 February 2003 20:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think I have ever heard NJ. She sounds dreary, though. I have grown to like Avril - I've not seen her sing live, and I'm not particularly bothered if it is loads worse than on record, because most of what I like best in music these days is heavily dependent on studio work anyway.

And can Andrew deny (m'lud) that the last time I walked in on him unexpectedly, Diana Kraal was playing at high volume?

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 24 February 2003 20:27 (twenty-two years ago)

...and the context of this walking in him unexpectedly?

"Hi, Andrew, sorry to interrupt the love feast."

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 February 2003 20:45 (twenty-two years ago)

I wouldn't know how to walk in him, Ned. The context was, if you think this justifies it in some way, me walking into the big music store in which he was working at the time. I don't think I'm being unreasonable in holding Andrew responsible for the music they were playing!

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 24 February 2003 20:52 (twenty-two years ago)

I wouldn't know how to walk in him, Ned.

It is a vision, though.

I don't think I'm being unreasonable in holding Andrew responsible for the music they were playing!

In this context, you are quite correct.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 February 2003 20:55 (twenty-two years ago)

Ned could give you lessons; he's on the verge of diving into Tonya Harding's cream-filled center, after all.

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 24 February 2003 20:56 (twenty-two years ago)

I would do no such thing. I would fear for my bodily integrity.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 February 2003 20:56 (twenty-two years ago)

again - ew!

― Kim (Kim), Monday, 24 February 2003 21:00 (twenty-two years ago)

i love how kim pokes her head out to say "EEEEWWW" every once in a while, than goes back in hiding

the difference between diana krall and norah jones is that krall demonstrates on occasion that she can play jazz (Live In Paris is mostly shit, but all NPR jokes aside, the band swing massively hard on 'Deed I Do'). with norah jones, the connection to jazz is much more tangential, since there's nothing really connecting her to it aside from a few vague aesthetic similarities.

my problem with norah jones, and most of diana krall's output, and the aforementioned cheesy ella fitzgerald recordings, and john mayer and dave matthews to name a few others, are that their stuff is BLAND. say what you will about "Sk8er Boi", it's just damn weird in spots, and it's not nearly as boring.

― Dave M. (rotten03), Monday, 24 February 2003 21:57 (twenty-two years ago)

i just want to do her

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:02 (twenty-two years ago)

now we are getting to why chaki likes her. not abt the music then is it?

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:06 (twenty-two years ago)

i want to do chaki

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:07 (twenty-two years ago)

this thread has suddenly got a lot less pleasant.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:11 (twenty-two years ago)

― mark s (mark s), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:13 (twenty-two years ago)

i never said anything about liking ger music. i've nnever heard more than the chorus of that one single.

― chaki (chaki), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:16 (twenty-two years ago)

I agree w/ Dave M said abt the relative merits of Diana vs. Norah. I don't mind Krall's piano playing, and she has had some gd musicians on her recs - Russell Malone, Christian McBride - plus some arrangements by Claus Ogerman.

If Martin or Ned think that employees in a major music retail chain have total freedom abt what recs they play, they are living in a fool's paradise. The fact that, at Xmas time, I had to listen to the DK and NJ albs at least once a day just makes me feel v. secure in the opinion that NJ is intolerable rub.

― Andrew L (Andrew L), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:24 (twenty-two years ago)

Poor andrew.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:26 (twenty-two years ago)

they are living in a fool's paradise

I was following Martin's lead, blame him.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Some of it is a little bland, some of it is a little boring, but she's won more grammys than most people I know, and actually (though I did get REALLY sick of "Don't Know Why") I like her.

― luna (luna.c), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:34 (twenty-two years ago)

No, it's Ned's fault!

― Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:48 (twenty-two years ago)

*whines*

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:48 (twenty-two years ago)

so Norah's not jazz, she's Grammy music right? like the Dixie Chicks aren't country, they're Grammy music!

― stevem (blueski), Monday, 24 February 2003 22:50 (twenty-two years ago)

Not so much bad as...neutral? She's like the color beige.

The colour beige remains stunningly underrated. It's not neutral, you fools, it's warm and comforting and humble!

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Monday, 24 February 2003 23:45 (twenty-two years ago)

Be honest, it's anaemic shite.

― Lara (Lara), Monday, 24 February 2003 23:48 (twenty-two years ago)

Be honest, it's anaemic shite.

Lara, do you hate comfort?

― Daniel_Rf (Daniel_Rf), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 00:39 (twenty-two years ago)

no she's just fulfilling her daily ILX post quota ;)

― stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 00:51 (twenty-two years ago)

aha

― chaki (chaki), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 01:00 (twenty-two years ago)

my roommate's theory is that old boring people are the ones who need to be encouraged to go and buy records so the grammies are pitched accordingly, 12-ft lizard-style

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 03:05 (twenty-two years ago)

I dislike Norah Jones because she is smooth jazz and/or bizjazz in a photogenic package. However, if she subsidizes the rerelease of Blue Note back catalog, her existence may turn out to be for a greater good. Still, I would prefer not to hear her again.

― j.lu (j.lu), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 03:36 (twenty-two years ago)

Norah Jones = Madeleine Peyroux fixed in a lab for mainstream palatability.

exactly. then again, i used to think the same about alanis and ani, and what did i know?

― gabbneb (gabbneb), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 03:41 (twenty-two years ago)

"The fact that, at Xmas time, I had to listen to the DK and NJ albs at least once a day just makes me feel v. secure in the opinion that NJ is intolerable rub."
U shuld come work at my record store. We played Neko Case, the Ivy cover album and a Booker T and the MGs Christmas album.

― Aaron Grossman (aajjgg), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 04:09 (twenty-two years ago)

At least Norah was cool enough to hire some real musicians like Brian Blade and Bill Frisell. You can't get much more 'jazz-informed' than that. I hope they're getting a piece of the action, and Norah Jones selling millions of records=Blue Note can keep putting out Brian Blade Fellowship and Greg Osby albums.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 05:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Down with "real" musicians who send everyone to sleep with their craft like Cap'n Bligh on Prozac!

― Robbie Turner, Tuesday, 25 February 2003 08:03 (twenty-two years ago)

Do you honestly think the A&R at her company DID NOT know who Bill Frisell is? Please.

I'm just casting my mind back to Xmas 2001. Kate and I are at the home of our friend, who did artist relations for EMI, and he's put on this bland girl-singer record. He tells us it's Norah Jones, the big secret we're not supposed to tell is that she's Ravi Shankar's daughter, and that the company were going to spend a fortune on her. NOT that she was big already in America, not that they'd sent it out to people who were reacting well to it, but INSTEAD and SCARILY, that it seemed they'd already had the secret meeting about what was going to be big that year and we, the public, had no choice.

This is why I don't much care for Norah Jones.

― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 10:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I have ploughed all the way through this awful thread and have decided I probably wouldn't like Norah Jones.

Anthony no I don't want to run a Grammy piece on FT.

Dan P I understand your standards-raising feelings but the Pro Tools revolution has democratised singing and yr ideals of live performance and hitting pitch are as much use these days as the horse-drawn carriage, i.e. a pretty novelty for heritage tourists and not much else!

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 10:46 (twenty-two years ago)

I still want someone to post the award-winning sleevenotes.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 10:55 (twenty-two years ago)

The thought of reading 200 posts about Norah fills me with dread.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 11:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Suzy touches on an interesting question. Would Norah Jones have sold so much if she had been called Norah Shankar?

(Pointlkess question we already know the answer to - would she sell any reckids if she didn't look like Katie Holmes).

― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 11:37 (twenty-two years ago)

I think the thing that makes jazz (polyrythmns, improv etc. are important too) is that it has, to my mind, to be revolutionary in its own context. Jazz ceases to be jazz when it ceases to be cutting edge it just drops into that easy listening loungecore drivel.

Look at all of the greats of jazz than they were all revolutionaries in there own times and in their own contexts and I'm sorry but Norah Jones just isn't.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 11:46 (twenty-two years ago)

Why are people so anti-easy-listening?! Is listening to music supposed to hard and painful?! Sounds like Calvinism to me!

― Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 11:48 (twenty-two years ago)

She doesn't look like Katie Holmes! Well, not enough for my liking anyway. She's trying to get the whole Dawsons thing but manages to be *too* bland - and that's an achievement! I take it all back, well done Norah Jones marketing team!

― Sarah (starry), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 11:49 (twenty-two years ago)

I prefer my music to be like Calvinball.

― Sarah (starry), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 11:50 (twenty-two years ago)

There is more truth in Calvin & Hobbes than in the entire works of Dickens.

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 11:51 (twenty-two years ago)

Like you've read the entire works of Dickens.

― Tom (Groke), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 11:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Course not! But I have read the entire works of Calvin & Hobbes!

― Nick Southall (Nick Southall), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 11:53 (twenty-two years ago)

Music does have to be hard and painful i'd just rather it wasn't insipid and banal.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 12:05 (twenty-two years ago)

Ed means 'doesn't', surely? *cracks whip* Back to work with you, sonny.

Would Norah Jones have sold so much if she had been called Norah Shankar?

Probably not, and it isn't her name anyway. My best guess is that she would be 'critically acclaimed' like her half-sis. Anoushka Shankar gets YARDS of press but has definitely followed Daddy into the same sort of music he makes.

What I objected to more than anything was the whole fait accompli vibe around NJ and the bit where everyone was told NOT to mention whose dad she was. I don't like Light Entertainment in all its Satanic forms; why should this example be any different?

― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 12:10 (twenty-two years ago)

''Why are people so anti-easy-listening?! Is listening to music supposed to hard and painful?! Sounds like Calvinism to me!''

who's saying jazz is 'hard and painful'? don't knoiw what calvinism is so i can't reply to that point.

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 12:51 (twenty-two years ago)

calvinism = i am the elect and you soppy lot are the preterite

― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 13:18 (twenty-two years ago)

I am the peterite.

― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 13:32 (twenty-two years ago)

pete- stop making up words i can't understand!

― Julio Desouza (jdesouza), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 13:38 (twenty-two years ago)

Please accept my apopologies.

― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 13:49 (twenty-two years ago)

Why has no-one hypothesised so far that NJ is Marc Cohn after a sex-change op and a shave? Well?

― SittingPretty (sittingpretty), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 13:50 (twenty-two years ago)

EWWWWWWWWWWWW...... So Ravi Shankar is currently 82 years old and Norah Jones is 23, which means that he was 59 when she was born. Yuck!

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 13:59 (twenty-two years ago)

rener to thread!

― Andrew Farrell (afarrell), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 14:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Marc Cohn wrote his own material.

― TMFTML (TMFTML), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 14:06 (twenty-two years ago)

so Aaron, is your point that ppl in their 50s should not have sex? or that they shouldn't have having kids?

― H (Heruy), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 14:11 (twenty-two years ago)

Maybe he stopped after the op/shave double header.

― SittingPretty (sittingpretty), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 14:12 (twenty-two years ago)

My best friend from high school was the product of English mad scientist's third marriage and was born when her dad was 60 and her mum was late 20s, and I think her dad was far less yogatastic than our pal Ravi.

― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 14:17 (twenty-two years ago)

Alright, fair enough... I was just trying to dish more dirt on poor Norah, but I guess if Ravi could still "produce" at that age than more power to him.

― Aaron W (Aaron W), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 14:21 (twenty-two years ago)

This guy kicks Ravi's arse.

Herbs are secret of 120-year old tribal king's virility

A tribal chief in southern India believed to be more than 120 years old says he has fathered far too many children to remember all of them.

The Hindustan Times reports Mudda Moopan, the king of the primitive Karumba tribe in Kerala, can only remember the names of 16 of his 23 wives.

His latest wife is in her early thirties and his youngest child is 11 years old.

Locals believe him to be among the oldest men in the world. Last year a group of students from Kochhi University collected a sample of Moopan's hair to work out his age and discovered that he had passed a century long ago.

The old man says the secret of his longevity and virility lies in a paste made of 10 rare medicinal herbs that he takes three times a day, but he is unwilling to reveal what they are.

He said: "Once an English woman came and stayed with me for days together. She was spying on my treatment methods. One morning she disappeared. I don't trust any of them now."

Moopan, considered an authority on tribal medicine, is much sought after by researchers. It is being reported the Karumba chieftain once tamed a violent elephant with a medicinal plant.

An unnamed agricultural scientist at the Thrissur Agricultural University said: "He can identify more than 1,000 rare medicinal plants. He is a living legend - a treasure trove."

Story filed: 08:58 Monday 25th November 2002

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 14:23 (twenty-two years ago)

Youngest child - 11 years old therefore still getting it at the ripe old age of 109.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 14:24 (twenty-two years ago)

You understand that I must smite you now, right?

SMITESMITESMITESMITESMITESMITESMITESMITESMITESMITESMITESMITESMITESMITE

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 14:25 (twenty-two years ago)

These ProTools vocal effects are going to be the cheesy wahwah guitars of the Aughts, mark my words.

― Colin Meeder (Mert), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 14:27 (twenty-two years ago)

Ha ha Perry, now you know how we Mathmeticians felt when they invented the calculator.

― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 14:28 (twenty-two years ago)

Yes, but how do you feel about the invention of spell-check, Mr Mathematician? ;)

― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 14:31 (twenty-two years ago)

i like Anoushka Shankar, think she has talent- do i like her b/c she is "exotic" and hip- i mean is it the piano thats getting to me ?

― anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 14:52 (twenty-two years ago)

Anoushka Shankar seems okay to me too. She went and got the shit-hard tabla/sitar/please sign rest of life away for these classes-type Classical training.

Also, this is the part of the thread where I feel duty-bound to say most famous people's kids are okay. It's the ones who hate their folks while spending all their money that I can't abide.

― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 15:02 (twenty-two years ago)

I dont have a problem with famos peoples kids, just spelling antypin.

― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 15:06 (twenty-two years ago)

is it harder to learn piano then sitar or tablas he says ignoratly and then realises he cannot spell ignorant.

― anthony easton (anthony), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 15:07 (twenty-two years ago)

I can spell brilliantly in two forms of English but cannot exactly do Calculus.

― suzy (suzy), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 15:10 (twenty-two years ago)

SMITESMITESMITESMITESMITESMITESMITESMITESMITESMITESMITESMITESMITESMITE

Can we put some flange on that? And feed it through a harmonizer, I'm getting some nasty flats.

― Amateurist (amateurist), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 15:34 (twenty-two years ago)

Look out! Mites!

― Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 15:42 (twenty-two years ago)

I wish to complain about the misleading title of this thread. "Not that good" implies that there is some residual good in the work of N Jones. Were it to have been retitled "Norah Jones is a vomit-inducing, mock-sincere product of a discourse; her voice is not her own (do not read if you like Norah Jones)" posters so inclined could have indulged freely in wanton yet witty abuse as per the Massive Attack thread.

― Robbie Turner, Tuesday, 25 February 2003 15:44 (twenty-two years ago)

I don't think she's mock-sincere, any more than someone can be a mock-lesbian. Her sincerity feels too uncomplicated; she lacks an "edge". I'm not sure where she could go about finding one, but I've never heard her on the radio nor anywhere else so I'm not really that concerned one way or another.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 15:52 (twenty-two years ago)

But I think JtN has a good point: I mean look at all the ambient crap people listen to!

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 15:58 (twenty-two years ago)

Hey, you're mean.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 16:01 (twenty-two years ago)

Ambient crap = shitthat sticks to the back of your toilet bowl that doesn't get flushed so you just ignore.

― Pete (Pete), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 16:05 (twenty-two years ago)

What is a shitt hat (and can we... never mind)?

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 16:07 (twenty-two years ago)

"Do you honestly think the A&R at her company DID NOT know who Bill Frisell is? Please."

Why would I think they would not know who he is? I never said she snuck those musicians by the label...she was only able to GET those musicians because they're on/work with Blue Note! And it's not like the millions of people buying her album know who Brian Blade is, it's just nice that he hopefully got to make some money being a part of a successful thing that ended up saving a cool and historical label from going under.

― Jordan (Jordan), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 16:28 (twenty-two years ago)

I can do calculus but can't spell in any language especially not the 3 I'm meant to know.

― Ed (dali), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 16:35 (twenty-two years ago)

Eerie that as I'm reading the new posts, "Don't Know Why" has just begun on the radio...

― luna (luna.c), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 17:17 (twenty-two years ago)

I thought the Ravi Shankar's daughter thing mentioned upthread was a joke and that she was really Tom Jones's daughter until it got mentioned 3 or 4 times and I went and looked it up.

― Stuart (Stuart), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 18:30 (twenty-two years ago)

Tom I actually think you'd like Norah Jones quite a bit.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 18:38 (twenty-two years ago)

I think Tom would HATE Norah Jones!

― Dan Perry (Dan Perry), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 18:57 (twenty-two years ago)

I wonder if Norah likes it missionary style?

― Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 19:00 (twenty-two years ago)

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